WEBVTT - RnB Money Terrace Martin Export 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.920 R and B Money. We are. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.920 Take Boloti. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:16.680 We are the authority on all things R and Ladies 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:17.200 and gentlemen. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.120 My name is Tank, I'm Valentine, and this is the 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.600 arm Money Podcast, the. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:28.240 Authority, yes, sir, on all things R and B and A. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:34.519 I'm sick, yeah of you not knowing here how to 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:39.800 use your instrument? All your instrument? Who if these walls 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.080 could talk? Oh my my mind? Yeah? 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:48.120 Well studied, yeah, yeah, loyal to it, honestry groomed, yeah, 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:49.199 how musician? 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.479 What? Yeah? Who is it again? I'm sick of the 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:59.800 Tans moment in the building. I made it. I made it. Yes, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.440 I'm on this show. I made it. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.400 I've been pressing you about this show. You can't press 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.560 me after you you know what. We're gonna go into 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.800 that God sometimes universe roll bumps, No, no, no, no, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.760 let's get into this because he tried me. He tried 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.959 me immediately, and I wasn't gonna bring it up because 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.440 I don't let nobody cancel it did come? 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:22.640 They don't cancel it? 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.880 Did come on the podcast after they cancel on this. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.720 If you canceled, you just canceled. But you're my friend 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:29.480 in real life. 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.399 For forgiving thank you, thank you, thank you for I 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.759 run into you at the whole fol everywhere I run 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.920 to you, I run to your real life. When I 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.440 first ran to you, it was you and your father 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:46.919 giving Snoop a paperback with a lot of money again 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.040 County late one night. That's what I do know. I've 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:56.000 seen that. I seen y'all that money. You and daddy 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:01.800 come down like clear the roong. Hmm, yeah, clear the wroong. Yeah, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.120 they doing music and money. Yeah. Shout out to j 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.040 T the Bigger Fixure. Shout out to j T the 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.040 Bigger and Jilly. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.079 Yeah them out man, because they made that happen. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:14.839 That happen. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.840 We came and got a verse. It was called uh. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:18.639 The song was called Get with This Pimper. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.639 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that night. 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:27.000 It was written by Static and had a trade off 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:27.640 about that record. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.160 Yeah yeah, we traded songs I had. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:31.919 I gave him a song called Miracles and he gave 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.760 me give it this Pamper and you came down. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.200 Then I went and got the Snoop cat I had 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:42.359 to saw yeah, yeah, all hondles. Yeah. We had to 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:47.720 count it out with Pops too. That was hards family affair. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.080 That is the first time we met Broy. It was 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:54.120 like then I just started hearing them from the Bay Area. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.280 I got folks in the Bay Area. So man, he 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.320 born and raising this thing. Oh listen, because you know 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.840 when you're from l A. You know, you think LA 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:04.440 is the only place in the world. When you were 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.200 a kid, you think l A is like we the 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.840 rather you a church or jazz or whatever. You just 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.800 think it's l A. You know. But Man, I started 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.520 going to those those uh Hawking family type things up 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.679 in the Bay Area, those those church God in Christ 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:23.440 conventions up there. Yeah, I know, but but but I 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.680 start hearing this meeting like Thomas Prison, all these different 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:28.800 dudes in different Bay Area dudes. But I just always 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.800 was hearing your name all through different different circus and 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.639 of course your pops for sure, because you know that's 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.840 another circuit. You know what I'm saying that's connected to 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:44.520 the church. It is. It's all why not, it's all true. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.720 You you're you're you're, you're my kind of guy. Come 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.400 on now, thank you Undertand what I'm saying, man, that's 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:53.600 you're the you're the cloth. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.440 Yeah, yeah, you're of bet fabric, my brother. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.520 You're trying to get better that thing. That's what we're 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:05.160 doing every day. But what you've done so far is immaculate. 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.600 You know what I'm saying. It is strong and it 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.680 speaks volumes for me coming out like you know, coming 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:17.120 from church on the on the east side. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.960 You know. Of course, the musicianship was the thing. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.760 It was crazy, right, But then as I got more 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.120 into R and B and producing and things like that, 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:28.520 it seemed like the musician ship took a back seat 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.200 to the production. And it wasn't until I got to 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:36.880 the West Coast in early two thousands that I that 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:43.440 I saw the musicianship being, if not more, just as 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:48.840 important as the production. As I'm in there with Warren Campbell, 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.920 like what are you doing? 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:51.640 What is all? 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.960 What do you need? All of this ship? Like a 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.400 room full of everything? And he could play at all 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.960 everything and it was all in the song. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.279 He don't stop smiling while you do amazing. Battle Cat 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.720 is just on everything. I'm like I was working with 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.640 my caviar and overdose four knocks. They got me, got 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.880 the guitar, nigga got the horn. I'm like hood niggas. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.680 I'm talking about playing full instruments. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:28.159 Fresh off of selling something into the studio to play 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.200 music right. And and then as I as I reflected 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.160 my O G. He used to take me to a 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.120 jazz night. Big Flint used to take me to a 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.240 jazz night. I think it was on Mondays or Tuesdays 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.960 in the hood. Say nigga, we're going to get We're 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:49.080 going to hear some Musicga, we are you are you? 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.560 Are you like me? 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:56.640 Nigga full jazz, come on man like and so's when 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.520 I got to this we, I was like, that's and 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.240 that was a should't want to ask you before we do 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.640 the deep back dive. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:03.359 You know what I'm saying? 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.719 Like, how has that always remained a staple for the 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.920 West where the musicianship is just always the leader, whether 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.280 it be Snoop, whether it be Kendrick Lamar, whether it 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.919 be Dre, whether it be what, it's always the music 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:18.839 and the musicians. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.720 I feel like me, well, I can speak on my 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.400 kind of view, yeah, which may not be everybody's thing, 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.560 but it it's a lot of people's think me myself, Thundercat, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:38.560 Kamasi Washington, a few of us, you know, but we 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.960 grew up with in musician households and I was telling 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.280 my son the other day, I said, at one, but 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.280 I thought everybody played music because literally, in South Central LA, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.760 every third house in the eighties was a musician because 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.440 people moved here from the South in different places to 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.679 do what to do records, you know what I'm saying. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.880 So like to say, I always say, you know, the seventies, 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.719 it probably was the most happiest times for black folks 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.280 and music. Funk music makes so many people rich, you 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.760 know what I'm saying. And the early eighties. I remember 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.520 seeing as a kid at the early eighties, me going 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.080 to different people's houses in View Park. It was it 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.680 wasn't it wasn't regular, but it wasn't out of the 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.440 norm for me to see somebody in the Darraw Heights 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.960 that father is a producer, not even a famous producer, 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.720 but I have an SSL in his living room, Like 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.640 that wasn't that was? That was that was? And this 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.120 was a black man. Yeah, yeah, because I didn't. I 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.120 grew up in South Central I grew up in Inglewood 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.880 and View Park and Baldon Hills, all these places. So 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.960 I think with the music, I think the music is 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:40.880 such a big part of Los Angeles culture. Like Barry 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.600 White's from the hood like we It's like I always 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.480 tell somebody just asked me the other day, man, what 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.040 you know. I don't like to do this, but somebody 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.640 did ask you know, what do you feel the differences 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.440 between DJ Quick and Battlecat and that you know, I 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.800 hate doing that because it'll make you compare, but it 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.360 was a question, and I have to give an answer. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.040 So I had to think, and I think, and I said, 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.240 oh t J. Quick is undeniably one of the greatest 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.200 record producers that ever lived. Battle Cat, to me is 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.960 undeniably one of the greatest orchestrators that ever lived, because 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.080 when he writes music, it's when he puts together his music. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.840 It's like orchestration. It's very similar to one of my 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:26.160 favorite composers is named Wayne Shorter. And Wayne Shorter wrote 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.840 for Miles Davis everything. But he would do write on 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.240 mainscript paper and say that, then maybe another day a 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.280 whole different set of paper, write another piece, and then 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.199 maybe one day remember that piece of paper and that 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.120 piece of paper and put it together. You know, he 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.280 would like he would he would have a concept of 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.120 nothing is trash. Nothing is trash musically. And when I 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.000 seen battle Cap composed, Like I seen him work out 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.440 a baseline, because he's a baseline master, work out a 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.600 baseline for a while. Will see him do step by 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.600 step and bill bill bill, even some of the mistakes 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.679 that I thought with mistakes which I probably shouldn't have, 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.280 he would save on a separate sequence. Then at the 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.760 end I'd be like, what is he doing? And then 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.760 an hour later you have like a week of freaking 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.599 a ged up. You have all these big records that 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.880 he just piece at a time, took his time and 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.280 orchestrated those records very detailed. You know what I'm saying, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.959 where quick as a master of like bringing that energy 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.959 to that room, had them records feel is how he's 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.800 producing it absolute if that record is moving, he's on 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.160 that SSL dance in a movie. Why he's talking about 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.600 impedance and all these other crazy things back and forth 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.960 with people, you know what I'm saying. So that's that's 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.600 that's but going. They're both from Los Angeles, I mean 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.839 compt in LA. But they're both from Los Angeles. But 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.560 they're both strong music based and I think just the 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.560 culture of LA. I mean it's a record culture. It's 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:59.240 just everybody in LA even before Instagram. Motherfucker was talking 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.160 about they was the record producers and this and that 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.120 it was just a record. We don't we grow up 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.960 understanding what publishing is because we are able at seventeen 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.840 to see a Warren Campbell drive through the parking lot 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.120 with a Mercedes that's not even on the fucking in 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.200 California yet, and say how did you how did you 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.360 get that? And then he says writing music or not 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.160 not to but I mean, you just know he's a 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.880 record producer, he's a songwriter, he's a composer. So we 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.200 see that at sixteen. Then we see the homie Charlie Barrel. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.160 At first we just looking at Warren the same way. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.680 Then the next year he signed the Warren what you 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.559 do Man? I did a pub I'm doing, man, I'm 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.760 doing I'm producing producing. Huh what what? Then you hear 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.880 Walter Mills up except so youious it's rare and you 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.520 see it, Kenny Krause making all this money with Eric clapping, 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.720 So you see you so you see all these things. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.560 You know what I'm saying. Then you you know, you 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.320 get with a Nie sougn and a rapture. Then you 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.160 hear you hear things of a guy named Tank coming 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.120 through the system. You go to the SAR rehearsal at seventeen, 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.000 you see so anxious being right before the world hurt 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.720 this ship and you're like, this is shit. You see 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:10.360 they forming playing this is like these are genius. You 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:16.920 see you you see a Nissan Stewart playing drums. Humble Nissan, right, 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.720 It used to be this thing called the Praise Connection. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.520 All the beasts came out, all the amazing God from musicians, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:28.280 everybody came out right. Nissan always kind of played his 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.440 thing where it's like I'm confident on me, I'm doing me. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.320 All these drummers to do all this, and for years 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:38.120 that was the biggest thing. And I remember me always 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:43.760 saying to myself like, damn, I'm trying to like what's special. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.719 I'm trying something special about Nissan. I'm getting to a 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.200 point something special about n And then when I walked 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.600 in thatw rehearsal and saw him play so anxious with 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.040 his brother Rapture with two NBC three thousands on the 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.520 side being then m D and they playing so anxious, 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.520 and I saw a Nissan lock to that click track 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.559 and still being able to move air with the kids drum. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:11.040 I said, oh, these niggas is geniuses, geniuses when I 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:15.240 see when I see Dante play bass, and Dante was 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.760 so infatuated with Andrew Bouchet and you know, but then 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.640 when I see him now his his his thing that 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.640 in the world at one point was like huh, but 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.400 now his thing is like the sound like that. That group. 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:33.240 That thing you came through was like monumental, high level, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:37.120 like Duke Ellington type ship to me, and it was 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:41.640 just it was all under the the Master teacher to me, Davante. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.839 So so anything that you have, anything that goes under 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.360 that has the opportunity to be blessed to go under 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.440 that fabric. I'm always gonna pay attention to. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:13:00.320 You know, man, listen, you're talking about niggas studying. Yeah, 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.600 it's all of them. Yes, please go look up every name, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:04.320 all of them. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.840 Yeah, shout out the Rapture Man changed my life, man, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.640 Rapture Man Man. One of my not my last casual gig. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.000 I've done plenty of casual gigs after this, but it 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.360 sounds good if I say my last one. But uh, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:19.800 this is I don't know. This could have been ninety 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.040 this could have been ninety six ninety seven. It was 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.240 my first summer jam. I know that playing with Michelle 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.880 like first summer jam and Rapturing that was playing with 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.160 Missi and Timberlin. This was like the big deal, like 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.000 they got a band and they was smashing all the 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.880 Missy Timberlin music with these guys was just because they 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.920 was using the cast that was on the record live. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.440 So it was like cheaters, you know, and they had 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:48.200 the best anyway. So what was I saying? Was I 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.240 just saying the last time you played a casual gig? 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.280 It was it was in Palisades and it was for 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.199 a doctor and Nie sounds on drums, raps on the keys. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.559 So you know, when you a casual band, this is 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.600 before anybody got cracking your casual and you gotta eat. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.880 You gotta eat on the side by the kitchen. I 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.160 can't be mingling with the people you in the band work. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.920 I'm sorry. Hell you all black. You're all black on 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.360 this hot sun. It sounds like. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:18.120 Slavery, That's what I'm getting too. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.160 So we're eating right. And then Rapture I didn't have 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.480 a card then I didn't even have to have my 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.160 license or something like that. And then some came to 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:31.040 the conversation, you know, rapped big big energy, rapture, big energy, 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.760 and some came to the conversation where like, if if 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.920 I was to give five thousand dollars, but what I do? 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.760 And he was going down the table. If you was 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.520 to get five thousand dollars, what would you do? Right? 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.480 And somebody will say by He was like wrong, you know, 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.320 you get five thousand, what would you do? I remember, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.840 just like yesterday. And then he got to me and 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.520 I was like, if I got five thousand, I'm getting 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:55.240 a car. He was like a car and I was 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.680 like yeah, because y'all had to come give me a car. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.440 He was like, man, I'm a well he said, that's 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.960 what you're gonna do. Said, I would get a drum machine. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.200 I would get an NPC so I can make more 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.960 money than buy me the car. I won't. And for 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.560 some reason that's simple logic. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:18.600 That day just went it's a light bulb, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.400 you know, because you were thinking of the now. 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.360 Man. I was just talking about the future. I was gigging, man, 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.040 I was seventeen, trying to play the horn, play the Oregon, 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.280 trying to make love to who I can make love too, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:32.120 and just put the NPC. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.360 It takes you to another level of making love too though, 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.400 because you're making love to a different type of woman 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.360 once you have success with this NPC. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.440 Yeah, and I striving kids. You had to pay for them. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.640 So the NBC helped me a whole lot. You're gonna 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.000 have to do that too. Yeah, you gotta pay for 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.200 the kids, you know. Uh, you know it's nothing beast 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.640 writing a song. Let me give you five. Yeah, you're 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:57.480 a jazz musician. Yeah, my os is twenty seven nodulations brother, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.160 yeah yeah, mind twenty three. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.120 Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah out there he still got 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.560 a little You got a baby, yeah, I mean five 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.320 six No, no, no, no, she's not okay. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.080 Yeah, my son seventeen. So you know, I'm getting there. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:16.080 I mean I'm getting there. A yeah, we might go 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.040 somewhere special. What he got going over there? I'm trying 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:20.400 to raise. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.240 Let you know, I know what you're doing doing job 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.440 trying to I'm trying to raise the future, you know 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:25.840 what I mean? 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.200 It is this whole ship. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.680 We're trying to retire. You're trying to retire. One of 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.160 them retire. But I both let that I let that Terrence, 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:41.520 take me back to the beginning and you even falling 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.680 in love with musicianship. You're in the house with music, 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:50.800 and what is the like? I can pinpoint when I 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:56.000 heard two things. My cousin Alfonso Giles playing the panel 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.520 upstairs in my grandmother's room, my grandmother's living room and 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.000 teaching my mother and my cousin's parts to songs that 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.639 he wrote, church songs. And I remember watching him playing 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.280 the piano, playing the drums and playing. He went to 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.800 Berkeley College of Music and every every summer he would 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.479 come back and I couldn't wait for him to come back, 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.719 just watch him do whatever it was. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:17.879 He was doing his magic to me. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.280 And the second moment was walking past the TV and 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:27.160 being stopped in a cold stop like and then Charlie 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.800 Browns Christmas was playing. I was like, what is it? 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.280 Why do I feel like that? Why is that hitting 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.760 me like that? What are those moments for you that 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:39.840 said I gotta do I gotta do this. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.520 It's three of them. The first one, my earliest memory, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:50.480 is my first rap cassette we bought. We was we 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:56.679 were staying off of Century in Western and it was 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.320 a That's by Eddy's Market the record store, and my 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.680 dad was like, man, I met this young man at 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.760 the at the liquor store. He said he do rap music. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.520 He was out of taste, but he said this store 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.240 got got his tast. I said, my son loved rap. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.399 I'm gonna buy his tape. And it was Ice t 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.200 Ryan Pass. So when I heard so Ice t Ryan pays, 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.480 you know, my my my dad was a very free thinkerminder. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:26.080 I didn't have no very similar, very similar vibe, like 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.640 very protective of let me be free because I wasn't 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.320 gonna get in trouble. He just let me For the 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.879 jazz musician himself, super yeah jack and a hustler, you 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:35.800 know what I'm saying, which is which I mean. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:40.280 But but honestly, you had to be yeah in in 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.880 in that field. Yeah, it's not like you you you 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.800 did jazz to retire from anything else. It's almost like 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.000 the old NBA where it's like, oh, you go hoop, 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.240 but then you go work to go work. You got 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.600 a gig, yeah, or you got a hustle or whatever 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.880 that thing is. So that's how I look at jazz 0:18:58.920 --> 0:18:59.600 musicians and that. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.520 And that's that is the smart way to look at it. Unfortunately, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.520 the jaz musician doesn't look at it that way though. 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.000 The jab spends this whole life trying to get to 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:11.320 this pinnacle of of when they're just on let me say, 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:16.680 a certain type of music. Jazz musician, his whole life 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:22.880 is getting to this this pinnacle of being the greatest 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:29.720 at their instrument. And sometime sometime they spend so much 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.760 time being great at the instrument they don't spend the 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.160 other time with it takes to survive because because you 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.680 you know, you you never mastered this ship. You know 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.440 what I'm saying, Well, nothing't mestering nothing, you know what 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.359 I'm saying. But the jazz thing, that's that's that's the 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.639 unfortunate part about a lot of peersts that just that 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.320 just deal with that one. You know, it's not a 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.359 lot of I mean I could count, I mean, when 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.600 I could count, probably be on two hands, how many 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.840 uh jazz cats could could probably afford to live in 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.200 a certain type home. And you know you got when 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.000 Marcellius and you got all the famous guys. But I 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.560 don't come from that. I come from a real South 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.120 central how whatever he had to do, you know, yeah, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:16.359 so he gets you to take we gotta edit this one. Okay. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.280 So my dad just passed like and I'm not I'm 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.680 only crying because when you ask that as he's dying, 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:30.000 I'm like, I'm like, hey, man, what uh man? What 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.560 are you thinking about? He had cancer? You're like, man, 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.359 I want to y'all probably know. But he said, Man, 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.119 if I could just think of anything, I said, this 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.880 is all the bitches you fuck, nigga. Now, it's all 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.600 the kids. You didn't raise, all the cocaine. What was it? 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:51.360 He was like, Man, poor judgment on time, poor judgment 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.520 on who I spend time with, and poor judgment on 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:57.200 what I think about. And that's the death to a 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:58.959 lot of jazz musicians. That's the death to a lot 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.920 of peers in general. Like poor judgment, thanks wrong, it's 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.440 like poor adjudgment. But I just thought about that. It's 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.440 just poor judgment on time, man, because you know him. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:08.880 I got a lot of cats that I know, cat 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.719 like I buried about twenty six jagmus just and that's 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:14.760 what we do, me and my own boy. They can't 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.480 afford the funeral. And we learned that from I can't 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.439 say his name, but it was a cat that did it. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.760 That always paid for the jazz funerals. People know who 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.199 I'm talking about. They know, but so we carry on 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.400 that that tradition. But it's like, it's a sad thing 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.280 to bury a bad motherfucker. It's a sad funeral because 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:38.800 you the obituaries always read like all these amazing artistic accolades, 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.800 all these this this, and they're always like and almost 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:46.960 and they read like the almost vibe. It's just is man, 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.440 the jazz. The bad motherfucker's funeral is a sad thing 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:53.240 because it's hardly never know money. You always gotta have 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.880 a go fund me. Shit is dark. Yeah, that's why 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:01.040 I got the NPC, you know, and really using as 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:02.720 a thing as when I saw it. When I saw 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:07.160 the n PC, I said, oh shit, Warren Campbell, boom 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:13.040 ideas boom, write him down. Kipper Jones said, publishing, Kipper, 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.000 what's publishing? Man? You should hook it with water millsap. 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.159 He's young, like you, doing deals. He knows it. What okay, Walcher, 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.280 what's up? I'm sixteen? Oh you yeah, come over here, 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.600 hang with me with the same age. Oh you should 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:28.040 meet my publisher, Big John. Matter of fact, come do 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:29.880 this wedding for him. You got your horn. I gotta 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.600 do Jay Brown's wedding. Who's Jay Brown? Just come to 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:34.720 the wedding. Oh that's Ti dollar Sign on base. He's 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.159 eleven years old. He's bad on base. So let's go 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.000 over to the wedding. Oh, oh my god, we're at 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:42.160 Jay Brown's wedding. That's Mario winning, Mario winning. I know, Mark, 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:47.480 you know you know what I'm saying. Man, All these 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.040 connected fibers. Yeah, and those are the. 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.800 Things that that drive you to put it all together. 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.400 Those are all the things. And that's why my whole 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.480 existence is like, let me just hope I inspire like 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.080 enough kids that I'm not tripping on inspiring kids how 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:12.000 to play instruments. Sometimes that shit is boring. I just 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.240 love it, you know what I'm saying. But I just 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.200 want to inspire kids like to think of other ways out, 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.080 think of other things like that. That's why I love like, man, 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.560 when I when I see kids that masters on that 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:28.120 fruity loops, it reminds me of I just get just 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.080 I get just as excited as seeing Corey Henry play Orgon, Like, 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.080 oh this is amazing. Look at this. It's kind of 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.000 like the pianos and horn switch to the laptops. 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:39.879 You know, look at them as cheat codes. No, because 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:41.679 some people do, and some purist dude, that's why I 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:43.600 asked you that. 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.960 That's unfortunate for them. I feel that it's not a 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:47.919 cheat CDE too. I don't because I can't do it. 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:49.920 Only thing I don't like is allto too. That's the 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.919 only thing, you know what I'm well, I'm not the 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:53.639 biggest auto too. 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.919 I'm gonna say this, and I tell every artist is 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:59.520 you know, I tell every artist and these are the facts. 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.119 What I say. I say, you know, you gotta be 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.640 careful about continue on tracking through auto tune. It's gonna 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.480 build such a hard crutch for your live show. And 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.280 I tell people this, they just whatever whatever. And man, 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.879 every time I do a show with somebody, if they 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.240 don't got the auto tune, man there, they don't want 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.800 to do the show. They don't want to do the show, 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:22.240 you know. 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.959 But I tell certain artists that if your thing is 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:32.480 the auto tune, if your sauce, keep it. 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.560 Keep it on you. That's your investment. As you said, 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:41.239 you get your first five thousand dollars. Yeah, but then 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.640 a lot of cats, don't you know. Somebody that that 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.000 uses auto tune a lot. But we just did seven 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:49.840 nights in a row at the Blue Note, and that's 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:53.440 James Foleroy. We did seven nights, two sets a week 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:55.639 at the two sets a night at the Blue Note, 0:24:55.800 --> 0:25:01.200 and that boy sign sign. But always said because everybody, 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:04.680 all the youngsters, well James, James has he's built the option. 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:08.000 Yeah, those of us who can sing use it as 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:10.080 as a sonic, as a tool tool. 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.240 But don't get it twisted. Don't get twist. There is 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.119 the difference. Yeah, James, the two sets at night at 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:24.040 the Blue Note. That's bad. Hey, that's bad. That's you 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.640 know what I'm saying. You got to say a lot 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.680 of the they ain't cordless, Mike, Oh no, no, no, no 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.879 cards cards the Blue Note. Yeah, we ain't read that. 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:43.120 Come on, man, come on our song shared monitors. Come 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:43.560 on man. 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:56.240 So we were talking about your pops. Give you that tape. 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:57.960 He gets you an ice tea taste. 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.040 He gave me then ice ta tape. You're a great songwriter. 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:02.840 You've always been great at that. See how you brought 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.280 it back you see how you did that. You've always 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.560 been good at that. Man, even through conflicts, you're great. 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:14.959 You know you're amazing. This is what I got that 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.240 ice t tape man. And I remember the first song 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:19.840 I heard when I popped it in at at the 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:23.440 house my dad left. He didn't know about cussing on tapes, 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.520 none of that. I remember. The first thing I heard 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.520 was six in the morning, police shot my door. And 0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:31.320 I was like, because our house I got raided a 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.080 few times. Because when you were a jabb you just 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.520 trying to survive. Dad, you say a little dope, ha there, 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.680 you know what, whatever, take the help. You know what 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.480 I'm saying. So you know you you grew up backspacked 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.520 by the door fore visions and different things like that, 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.040 And so I was familiar with just the lifestyle he 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.040 was talking about, Like he's talking about the police come 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.840 to history too. Who I don't feel alone, you know. 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.520 So I started alling nice seeing and then my mom 0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.600 used to go to the Rhodium Swap meet. This is 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.960 a place in Guardena where I see a lot of 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.120 casts talk about the history of West Coast hip hop, 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.520 but they don't bring up one of the meccas in 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.440 the place that without this place, none of this ship 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.520 would be moving. And that's the Roodium swap Me a 0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:14.840 brother named Steve Yannold. This is where like this, this 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.280 is the swap me where you could go to the 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.440 swap meet and see easy E, doctor Dre spinning ice 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.479 Cube on the mic. DJ Yellow. Everybody knows Steve, this 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.240 is the radiom and this is this is this would 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.359 change my life. So I had the ice Ta tape 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:29.520 that whole weekend, my mama started going to the Rodium 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.800 swap me, and and my parents had just separated, and 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.119 so now she's on trying to figure out how to 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:38.320 beat a single mama. She young, she l a single mama. 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.159 So she like, I'm gonna go to swap meet. I 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:41.960 know you like music. I'm gonna stick you at the 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.680 music store, right I drop you off. I'm gonna drop here. 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:51.160 I'm just right there, Mama, be all gone. Don't if 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:56.360 you leave. We knew man. Let me tell you, man, 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.399 I remember the first time she took me, my first 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.720 blink of I and the first record I can think 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:10.280 about was Christmas Rap and then Public Enemy, and then 0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.760 Steve came to me and said, man, man, you like rap? 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.520 You ever heard of Easy E? And I'm like, this 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.159 is a guy who's running there Steve Janno. Yeah, this 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.560 doctor Dray Boyce knew. Everybody knows Steve Jannald. The ones 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:25.080 know who I'm talking about. The ones that don't know. 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:28.040 That's why they That's why they music, because they history 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.399 and they foundation shaky. That's why they records to this 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:34.879 day is shaky. It all counts. But so Steve Yannold, 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.680 and it's like, uh, I said, easy E. But I said, well, 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.760 I think you played boys. He played song called boys. Nuh. 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.920 I'm like, oh yeah. Because my cousins that lived in Bakersfield, 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.520 I had two fine cousins, right, I got a gang 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:53.280 of fine becausin been in the eighties though the basket 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.560 Waves and you know what with the dope billers in LA. 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.960 But they were from Bakersfield. So my mom would send 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.040 me to Bakersfield for the summer. I remember coming back down. 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.200 We would take the Greyhound bus bus and get get 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:08.560 off and downtown and they would tell my mom and them, uh, 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.200 cousin louis coming to get us. But it always be 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.280 two niggas with Jerry Crolls and loud music and Nissan trucks, 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.960 just like eighty six eighty seven. I never forget so 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.640 we hoping they'd be like, oh, now I know I'm 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:22.720 in the back of everybody, sitting next to the cousin 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:24.800 the shoulders moving. Now I know what's up. You know 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.080 I'm older, but I'm like, oh, but I would be 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:28.840 in the back of the figures. And I remember when 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:33.120 I first heard and woke up quick at about noon, 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.880 just thought that I had to be in confidence song 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.680 Nigga my eyes. I was a kid. I said, what 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.360 is this? And then it when I'm about to damn man, 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.240 when blond young nigga got the path throwing up gangs. 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.000 I just remember and when he said throwing up gang songs, 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.000 the two niggas in the cars they threw up their 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.640 hood and we was going down cripshaw and I just 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:58.360 got so infatuated with that song and these crips going 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:04.440 to show with this music because my dad that it 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.080 was jazz and the Hawkins, it was you andre crowds. 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.280 And I was like, man, I'm not with I was 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.680 a kid and I was like sowing back to what 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.840 what And they started letting me say, cuzin around this this. 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.760 Now I know that they turned me out, you know, 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.800 you know, because because and my cousins say, now, when 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.040 we get off the car terry, don't tell your mama 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.320 who came and got us. So I ain't saying nothing. 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.800 If we could do that again, nothing, So man, I 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.880 started hanging with them, young man. The dudes are all yeah, yeah, 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.800 they off off. And I grew up in that neighborhood anyway, 0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.400 but uh, that was that was the time anyway. Going 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.320 to the rodium swapping, Steve Banna said, you heard it 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.640 easy to Eat And this happened a week ago. But 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.120 I didn't know the artist's name, and I said, I 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.640 don't know what I was young like. He got like 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.280 a sore voice, sound like a soword voice. Is his 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.920 name Sore Void? And he plays this and he played 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.160 the remix again. Then he was like, I'm goa he 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.520 this record. He was like, it's a radio version on 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.600 the other side, that's what you play. But he went 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:11.840 and winked aside, and that record, I tell Doctor Traider's story. 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.480 I took that record home and being being my mom 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.160 was in the process of learning how to be a 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.560 single mom. He's working, so she didn't have a lot 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.360 of time. So I'm playing all the cussing. Now I'm 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:27.960 full fledged wearing loaks in the mirror, Cortes in the mirror. 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:33.280 You seven. I'm telling my mama, Mama, how come we 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.320 not from Compton? Why are we not from Compton? Why 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.160 are we easy from Compton? Why? I want to be 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.560 from where easy from? So I would get good grades, 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.840 man and her treatment to drive me. She would drive 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.280 me in front of the Compting sign when I was 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.800 like seven eight because I was like infatuated. Then watch this, 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.120 Watch how God work. So at eight years old. By then, 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.280 my family's in the music business. My aunties do all 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.040 the background at this time for Nita Baker, for any 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.360 Cravis to Perry says, we're so at this time, we're 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.680 going to all the concerts. I'm I'm now I'm the 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:05.680 child in the black kid in the industry, drawing up 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:06.600 with the other black kids in. 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.160 This initial Mama side though, my mama side, so now 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:13.120 we're all singer and daddy side is a musician, all musicians. Okay, okay, 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:15.000 I had a funny joke. 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:19.479 But family looks at this. I won't say fucked up joking. 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:22.920 One sized writers, one side of the musicians, and it's 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:28.800 very obvious. But uh so I'm at the Universal Amphitheater 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:34.520 and at this time, this is a this is deep too, 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:36.440 This is this is deep. I ain't gonna bust no 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.520 tears on this one, but this is deep because it 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:41.200 had to be eighty eight. It's had to be eighty eight, 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:46.440 and uh eighty eight was deep because crack cocaine I 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.120 hit La tough at that time. Crack cocaine was like 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:53.400 everybody was affected by crack cocaine. And if you're around 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.240 that air, everybody either if somebody was selling it or 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:58.320 doing it, or one of your cousins you thought was balling. 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.800 When you figure out what happened to Leroy Leroyd and 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:03.560 tested this shit, it was a typical story. People were 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:07.120 selling phone cords, people was tearing off roofs trying to 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:11.200 sell you know, VC ours was you know, niggas was saying. 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.520 There was cableman with gas station shirt song trying to 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.960 get into the house. It was crack was running, rapping 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:20.760 and the music that was that was soothing everybody and 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:24.520 making sure black people dance was one man named Teddy 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.959 Roley with new Jack Swing at that time, and so 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.280 my mom would always play that album The First Guy Out. 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:32.800 I'll never forget, and that was eighty seven. It came 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.760 out eighty seven and she played out of New Year's 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:37.160 part of New Year's e Party eighty seven, going in 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:40.240 eighty eight and piece of My Love Autumn type records. 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.840 But going back to this concert, so eighty eight comes 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:48.080 guys coming to the concert. The tour is Guy was 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:57.480 the headliners Empty Hammer with two big mc kidding play 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:02.440 and kwame this with the tour and we was at 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.000 the Universe with theater. I was in the pit, and 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:08.120 I was in the pit. I was always in the 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:09.920 front row. Now I'm kind of used to it, but 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.319 I'm like, we about to see Guy. I'll never forget. God, 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:13.840 come on. They used to come on with the sheets 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.480 like this, Joe Hayron then playing journal. They used to 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.200 come on with the sheets where you couldn't see crowd screaming, 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.080 and ain't they started doing the running man. I remember 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.239 I'm looking up and a joint dropped from somebody's head, 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.799 a joint, and I seen it and I picked it up, 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.080 and my mama right there, Teeley, my cousin Teey was 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.200 right there. I picked it up and I looked up 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:38.960 and it was Eric. It was easy e it dropped 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.480 out of his ear and I went and I remember 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.040 looking at him and he said, man, he said, you're 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.480 gonna be here the whole night. I'm like yeah, He's like, 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.600 I'm gonna see you backstage. When we went backstage, it 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:52.800 was Doctor Dre. He's I remember going to Easy I 0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.640 still got the Raiders hat sign he signed, and he signed, 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.600 they all signed my rail sid and he said, stay 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:05.840 in school. Listen to your mama at the joint. 0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:11.160 Yeah, stay in school though, Yeah, you didn't understand school 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:11.799 after that day. 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.200 No, I'm just now now we just talk. I'm just 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:18.480 bringing I even thought about that till now. Wow, that's crazy. 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.000 Did you give miss Dray back? And did you smoke it? 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.640 I gave it back? Well, I gave it back and 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.080 he talked to my mom that day. See here, that's 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.799 a cool little man. He gave me back my joint. 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:31.800 He said, when I was smoking his age. You know 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:33.239 what I'm saying. It was cool my mom. My mom 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.440 still remembers that because I was so infatuated with Easy 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.799 Eata you know what I'm saying, Like you know, and 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:40.920 then just with doctor Dray and then when Straight out 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.160 of Compton came out and ice Cube, and we used 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.600 to see ice Cube right around the neighborhood in a 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.399 Suzuki Samurai because he grew up less than a mile 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.560 from where we all come from, so we to see him. 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.680 He's like, we see the ice cube, you know, But 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:56.480 what's good about l A. You grew up seeing that, 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:58.200 you grew up seeing to go battle Cat and that 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.640 duley man he put he get his haircut there. Okay, okay, 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.120 I'm gonna wait there because I don't want the plug 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:06.759 from this other nigga because he's trying to get some money. 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.239 I'm away at the barbershop for battle Cat at good 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.400 friend's barbershop in the VNS. I'm gonna walk from the 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.279 six sous and walk to the VNS and wait for 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.719 battle Cat right there. So when he sees me, you know, 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.040 I'm serious because I'm waiting for him in the vans 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:24.440 and I found him how to tape damn? What's up 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:30.799 to tape beats? Waiting my life to see battle Cat man, 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:35.120 I'm you know, is this point I was a little older. 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.520 I was I was seventeen right then. I was seventeen, 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:39.000 And is. 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.680 That your first I'm like, obviously you've been playing with 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.840 you know you on this circuit. Yeah, but is this 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:48.160 your first kind of entry into trying to get into 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:50.480 the music business side of it though, because like you said, 0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:53.640 you got a tape of beats at seventeen before that, 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:55.160 you just is jamming. 0:36:55.200 --> 0:37:00.400 This is my first This is my first entrance into 0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:07.960 like battle is a fancy car, fresh jewelry, fresh clothes. 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:14.400 He's with snooped all. This is the door and battle 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.799 Cat has given me so much information and teaching me. 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.480 So he's giving me so much to where it's like 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.680 I'm just like even I'm so spiritually in debt to him, 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.640 but it's like I'm it's just like he's like, I'm 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:30.120 studying with him. So I take it he likes your beats. Yeah, yeah, because. 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.960 There's another side to that of if they don't like 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.520 your be yeah, you don't get these opportunities. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.359 You know what I was But at that point, you 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.440 know the good part about me being such a focused 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.160 musician at that because at that age I'm already playing. 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.239 Though at that age, I'm I'm I'm playing. I'm already 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.120 in the jazz clubs, I'm already the midnight musicals, I'm 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.560 already playing with Andrew, I'm already with I'm already I'm 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.480 already on the whole other thing. Club Tank was going 0:37:54.520 --> 0:38:01.200 to to hear, ay, I'm already, young God. My my 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:03.880 teachers is Billy Higgins Andrew Gus. I mean, I'm just 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:08.239 I'm La. I'm already moving. But when I told you 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:11.520 I saw Warren Campbell with that Mercedes bro that changed 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:16.680 my life? What what do you mean? Wasn't nobody pulling 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:18.759 up like that? And I'm from La, so I like 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.000 all this. I like everything, you know. I like everything 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:23.799 they teach us not to love and not to like. 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:28.040 I like those things you know, meaning finances. I like 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.640 the freedom money allowed you to have. I like property. 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:32.840 I like buying my children things. I like food, I 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.319 like him from I like shit, I like nice ship. 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:38.839 So so my my whole head, all my life weren't 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:44.680 waiting for the meek to inherit the earth. When I 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.800 when I saw Warren with that bance, I followed his program. 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:52.520 I said, Okay, if I know anything, I know to 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.680 shut the fuck up and follow a program. So I 0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:59.279 followed this program. I start reading his credits. Did that 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:07.000 quit battle cay? Hmm? If he feels like that about that. 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:09.520 I need to I need to something. So what did 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.920 I do? I prayed to get with them, like I 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:15.319 prayed to get with Snood Dogg. I like I knew 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:16.920 I was going to I knew I was going to 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:18.880 get with battle Cat. I knew I was going to 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.680 study with DJ Quick. I knew these things because at 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:29.319 this time it just wasn't nobody of a fan and 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:34.160 the level of studying with production and frequencies and signing 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.520 things at my age as I was, because I was 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:41.279 into knowing who Dave Aaron is the tracking engineer for 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.560 all eyes on me? I was. I wasn't just into 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.160 knowing who played the mini move. I was into knowing 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.359 who was the second who passed the eleven seven, who 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:52.319 passed the prison, who patched? Who whose decision wasn't for that? 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:55.279 I was yeah, because I because I wanted to know why. 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.440 And then LA got tricky because I want to know 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.080 why niggas said they was good because my dad from 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.279 the East Coast. I also going back and forth to 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.880 the East Coast a lot where the focus wasn't about 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.480 finances and it was about the face value. Are you 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.040 a bad motherfucker? Wraether you in church? You in the club. 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:14.439 Can you play? It was just about that. It wasn't 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.879 about who you was with, what gigy was on, how 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:20.080 does your watch shine? How do you smile? How many things? 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.800 It wasn't about none of that. Can you play tonight? 0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.080 And can you bring emotion to the table. If you can't, 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.200 you irrelevant. That's where he was coming from, you know. 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:32.120 So I had that in me. So when I got 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.600 through La because my dad used to talk crazy shit 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.719 about LA musicians horrible. I used to hate it, Like, bro, 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:42.920 I'm from LA. You have me corner just motherfuckers, you know, 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.520 twirling sticks and dance corny, you know, but you know, 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.520 you know, you know, you know, i'd be like ya. 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.640 I think I like everything he says. He doesn't like. 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.640 I like that, you know what I'm saying. But I 0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:01.120 just you know, man, just yeah, where was we at? 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.640 You said, don't get too high. You showed a way 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.680 too late. I smoked to join the car, wrote you 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:09.799 showed a way too late. 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:17.680 You are a real musician, though, this is this is it, 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.600 This is this is what. And people don't get to 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:27.800 see real creatives, right, They get to hear yeah, real creatives, 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.200 but like seeing a real creative, bro. Like, that's why 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.600 you were so important for us to bring on this podcast. 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:38.000 Your your resume is your resume. But and I don't 0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:39.839 think you know this when I when I call you, 0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:44.879 I call you about being a creative Yeah, when we talk, 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.719 because I know that I'm tapping into a source for me. 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.720 And I have no problem saying that openly and honestly. 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:53.640 You know what I mean. Look, we never talk about 0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.640 the ball game. No, we never talk about the ball game. 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.400 I have great ballgame talk to No. 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.200 We like when I when I call you, it is 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:07.759 to tap into a source of real creativity and the 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:12.960 mind of somebody who lives music. And people don't always 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:15.160 get to see that. And that's why I said you 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:18.439 were so important for us to bring on here. 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.480 You know what I mean? Because this is unscripted, we 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.440 don't do you know what I mean? Like, Man, I've 0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:25.560 been waiting to get on this show. 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:27.600 I want I want you to I want you to 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.120 forget the stories in the middle of the story. 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.080 Sometimes Yeah, and then it comes to you. It come 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.600 to you because you know it's the these are we 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:41.879 talking about in the late nineteen hundreds, Man, We're talking 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.200 about something like you know you know this is funny. 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:48.600 I was supposed to play Nissan used to try to 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.759 give me on so many gigs. Nothing was coming through 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:53.040 for a while, Right, I'm gonna try and get the 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:54.640 horns and get the horns and get the horns, and 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.800 you know, the horn is always last. That's why I 0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:02.000 started playing keyboard a whole bunch whole snoop. Really be 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.440 cracking to get the horn section. Yeah, you gotta have 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:08.000 a real budget. Yeah, real budget budget. You know. You know, 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.200 y'all not cheap, bro, The horn section is not cheap. 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.600 I'm never in the horn section keys no now. 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.160 But I'm just saying it goes. It goes your basic 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:20.279 four piece, right, maybe you maybe you get some money 0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.360 double up on the keyboard player, and then when you 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:23.240 get a little extra. 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:24.759 Change, the percussionist comes in. 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:29.400 The percussion you're a percussionist, and then you get. 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.880 Harmed because horns is like to me on the outside 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.240 of like y'all super musicians, right, I do music. 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:40.000 It's a difference. So for me, I look at whenever 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.000 niggas got a horn section. Oh, the niggas is no. 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:48.200 That's I'm like, like, I mean, when you see a 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:53.200 band of when you see an artist. When you see 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.000 an artist with a full band, when you see an 0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.279 R and B artist with a when you see a 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.120 black arm and be artists keep going. You had a 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:07.680 full band on stage. They care about the people. We 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:13.040 ain't no money being got made. It's all for y'all. 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.320 I got it, like I gotta do the l a 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.359 show like this. I gotta do that, you know. It's 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.000 it's when I see horn section and this, you know, 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:25.440 when I started seeing dancers and horn sections, I'm like, 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:29.560 oh man, but the horn section is always, you know. 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.760 And my job for a lot of artists is to like, Terrris, 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.680 how can we make money and kill this? And my 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:40.400 job is to say never mind. But my job is 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:42.960 to protect a lot of the artists and tell them 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.919 how to kind of cut the band but still give 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:47.920 the same effects so they can make money for their family, 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:49.440 because a lot of people don't know when you have 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.359 a band sometimes, I mean other than the huge top 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:56.560 five arena artists, right, but but having a band and 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.239 usually with an artist. For me, even being a touring artist, 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:01.880 is because we loved the fellowship and love the musicians 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.480 on stage because sometime we're not even taking on half 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.120 the money. I learned something by you a cup. Every 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:09.240 time I bump in the Tank, it's on a flight, 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.160 and to one time I was humbled because it was 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.120 one of these flights that I was like, I shouldn't 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.160 be flying first class because I really can't afford this 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.279 first class sticket. But I'm so used to doing it. 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.360 I'm gonna do it anyway. And Tank was on the 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.960 same flight, right behind me on the Premium Plus with 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.520 have the money, and this is Tank. That's when I 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:31.120 told you premium Plus. I told you I saw Tank 0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.680 four times in the past five years with a pillow. 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.439 I saw in Atlanta. I saw taking different. I saw 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:39.920 him for nessing Dorp, at the people at the I 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:43.719 saw Tank Tank as a well traveled touring artist. So 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.080 that's why actually I say I saw Tank. No more 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:46.720 first class. 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.600 I gotta get early, build my mileage up Come on 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:51.920 and I can I can get that comfort seat. 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.480 Yeah, and bet on the upgrade. 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.279 Can you get if I don't get guess I still 0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:01.040 got a nice window. The TV show you what I'm 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.360 leanked over sacks on me some cheese. 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:06.600 It's and that way. That way you can still have 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:07.240 the band. 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:08.920 And you have a club membership where you can go 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:10.200 eat before you get on the frame. 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:11.200 So you good. 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.680 That's that's really the difference on most first class flas. 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.200 The food is the food. You get to eat some food. 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.879 The only time I need first classes overseas. 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:24.040 You definitely need first class. How many lay down Japan? 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.480 Your you know you're doing those runs. 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.759 Yeah, when you're doing those runs. Now we you haven't 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:33.479 been to your Oh, let's do the project together. Let's 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.960 go a project of bat ballots. Robert loves his piano. 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:42.040 The hey talks about that. Yeah, he takes record. Yeah, man, 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:46.799 I heard it. Man, you know I'm gonna taken man. 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.080 I was telling him the other day too, like I 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.719 appreciate guys like you, Robert. 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:55.760 Adam Blackstone, Oh yeah, Adam. 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.480 Guys that are guys that are that are purest in 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:03.400 your thing and in music, but that still can relate 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:08.480 to a tank who is and this is this is, 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.040 this is me just speaking freely. 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:12.920 He got that same type of gift. 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:18.440 But I think some musicians say because of the songs 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.920 that he sings are the way that he looks singing 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:22.919 those songs with his shirt off and all that other ship, 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:25.040 I think he gets judged by that. 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:28.759 But I don't think y'all do. But yere, but there 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:33.120 are a certain section of these purists. 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:34.640 Who are like, no, no, no, we can't, we can't 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:37.799 include him. Yeah, I appreciate y'all for that. 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.719 Yeah, well that will he won't say that, but I'm 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:44.200 gonna say, yeah, Well, I mean, I mean, Tank is 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:48.600 a proven generation bad motherfucker artists. Like it's just he's 0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.640 done all the all the proper steps from he's done 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.280 it's steps to this ship. Yeah, because I'm not giving 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.400 this ship up for all the no no no no 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.319 no no no no no, no no no. We're talking 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.040 about it. Man. You said some years ago on Sway, 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:06.799 uh uh you said, uh about publishing. People just want 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:08.480 to publishing. You said, man, you better write an idea. 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.839 You better come home some you better come like just 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:14.360 give me something. Yes, Like when you notice like the 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.279 like Tank is in the class of its own, and 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:21.360 usually what happens is is like nobody wants to be 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:25.280 confronted with the truth. Mhm. You know, it's that's hard. 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:31.279 That's that's that's that's hard to no matter what the 0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:38.799 theatrics are, what the pyro is, what the that's that's 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:44.480 a hard emotional thing to know. You was talking about 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.680 it man with your lady the night before, and you 0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:49.720 gotta go on after this man. But he just stripped 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:52.319 the whole band because they missed the flights because we 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.520 had to get them certain tickets because you know, be 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:57.200 like that. But he just he put a piano out 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.520 there and just tank you only got four minutes. And 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.200 then he decides to do something like he looks in 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.120 the front five six rolls and see all these beautiful 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:08.960 women and all these men on their phones, not paying 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.239 it until they women, and he does, I can't make 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:15.000 you love me. And no matter your pyro, your flips, 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:20.400 even your hits, you can't fight the heart. You can't 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:24.160 when people when somebody has a gift musically to make 0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:27.279 the heart, to make another human's heart, do things that's 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.680 more powerful than the ear. We all the ears, physicals 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:32.560 and muscles, you go on and you know when you 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:35.440 get older about but the heart, you never forget how 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.319 something make you feel. You know that and that so 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:41.239 it's like a lot of people don't got time for that. 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:43.200 They don't got time to make people feel like anything. 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.520 They're trying to get to the next thing, and you know, 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:49.400 and that's a reminder of you gotta practice, you gotta practice. 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.560 He's practicing every day. He's singing every days in the gym. 0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:55.120 That's a serious mind. You I'm from the era of 0:49:55.280 --> 0:50:00.960 serious musicians, like are very physically in shape, Like it 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:04.839 doesn't go one way. Like my father was like, because 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:06.520 I'm not like my dad. My dad was a run 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:10.880 three mile this prote you know, till I remember when 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:12.520 he couldn't even walk and he was like that Dad, 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:14.399 what you doing? He was like, I'm working out because 0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.960 the blood got to go somewhere. He's working out his hands. 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:20.120 The blood gotta go somewhere. Wow. And when he couldn't 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.000 move his hands, he started doing his eyelids like he 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.239 would read charts and do the claping count with the 0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:29.399 eyelids every day, every day, every day. So it's like tank, 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.080 I I come from a line and from a thing 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.239 where that this this is a product of a this 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:37.960 is this is a real this is R and B. 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:41.839 You know that's really what it. He embodies that, and 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.680 I think a lot of people are just worried about 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:48.000 everybody that embodies the truth. You know, these are my 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:50.960 opinions and you know, these are my opinions. He's are 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:55.120 in law. These aren't anything. But I do know, you 0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:58.880 know what Herbie always teaches me and Quincy always teaches me. 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:03.799 It really is like everybody has their book. Everybody book 0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:06.960 is completely different, and one of the worst things we 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:10.719 could do is pay attention to someone else's book and 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:15.239 timeline because everybody's got a book. It's like, you, man, 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:17.200 you know how this shit go. Man, they're not going 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:18.759 to tell you the shit or we say till we go. 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:22.520 You know, that's one of the prices you pay to 0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:24.680 make sure you're doing the right thing to them hearts. 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:27.120 You know what I'm saying. It's a miserable thing that 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.240 I got so many friends that focused on the ears 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:33.279 of their career, big houses, nice fast cars and this, 0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:35.759 and then I go visit their house and it's a 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:37.600 new nigga this year, standing in the house they had 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:42.080 in the same house. They you know the rotations, you 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:45.240 know the rotation. Come on, y'all, we know the rotation. 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.359 And I'm from here, so I grew. I grew up 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:53.320 seeing the rotation, the same the same visitors, same people. 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:55.680 You know. It's so hard for me to go to 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:57.879 some of these award shows now, because I'm like, man, 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.120 it's all these either are the same guys have been 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.760 fucking everybody over twenty years. They still get the seats. 0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.560 You know, it's amazing these days, you know what I'm saying. 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.560 But uh yeah, man, you know, when it's the truth, 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.640 it's very difficult. But when you got to stay on 0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:16.640 that path, Miles David stayed on the path, you know. 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:20.000 You know, James Brown stayed on the path. He was 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:23.160 a bad motherfuckers man without the memes and the funny 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.480 should that go around. Now, the serious of these of 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:37.680 these catch is serious, man, you know. So as you 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.759 start to move into this space of. 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:48.640 Music business, right the recording side of the music business, producing, 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.799 making your own projects, doing this whole thing, because now 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:55.920 that that's a whole other world. We all know this 0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.719 is what is your first taste of success, and you're My. 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:03.400 First taste of success is really sitting down figuring out 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:06.239 a plan. And I remember when I got done, right 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:08.040 my mother fucking playing what I'm gonna do. I said, 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:11.040 I'm gonna follow. I'm gonna look at Nissan and Rapture 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:15.319 and Warren Campbell. Nissan Rapture was doing beats and was 0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:19.080 I mean, it was playing for everybody. Then they hustled 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.040 up on the beat thing moved, they moved, they moved 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:24.200 through the musician shit. Warren Campbell was playing on everybody 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:29.120 record and ended up making the name. So I was like, okay, 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.320 Warren got that bends. I mean, he didn't stay in 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:37.280 the musician touring chair too long. So I said, okay, 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:41.359 I can't stay here too long. And uh you know 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:45.600 that was that was like, really the the the real 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:48.800 thing is, let me use the saxophone. All those saxophones 0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:51.479 my first love and my love I love Charlie Parker, 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:54.400 John colechran SONI instead cannaball Adlie, Eddie Clinton and Vincent. 0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:59.040 I love the saxophone. But I also grew with a 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:03.120 single mom in the South, like whatever daddy that played jazz, 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:05.719 but he wasn't one of the famous guys, Like he 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.440 wasn't going to Japan like me and my friends are. 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:10.920 He wasn't also lucky, you know what I'm saying. So 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:14.799 I'm aware of what I what. I like this jazz shit. 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:20.520 I like this, I like this. I love this, damn bro, 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:23.240 I'm trying to go to the Marina to the movies. 0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:25.840 I'm trying to get the Jays and I got a 0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.880 baby at fifteen. I got his mom on my head, 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.720 shot out on the car, his mom on my head. 0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:34.480 I'm like, she on my head. Bro, She's like, you're 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:36.120 gonna work at toys r us. I'm like, I ain't 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:39.080 doing none of that. I'm gonna be a famous jazz musician. 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.880 Got me fucked up, but I'm gonna make it. I 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:44.680 was saying that, but in my head I was like this, 0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:50.560 Josh is I just it's sounded good, you know, man? 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:54.319 So I really followed what I would like to hope. 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:57.400 I think I followed that Warren Campbell and that I 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.440 follow portions of the Warren Campbell and the Nissan and Raptor. 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.400 They were the closest ones I seen be a musician. 0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:06.480 And then my boy, my friend that really put me 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:08.719 on with Snoop was a brother by the name of 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:13.160 Marlon Williams, a guitarist like the like all the records 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:18.200 I've done with Kendrick Travis Scott, Snoop and my whole 0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:22.319 catalog for like sixteen years of catalog music. He is 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:26.160 the guitarist that's writing the guitar parts. Like not just 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:30.960 playing on top of my harmony one note lines. He's 0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.239 writing parts that if you solo them, the crowd will 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:37.600 sing like King Konna, all these different records, just you know, 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:41.040 if these walks just drill deep records. So he was 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.880 already with Snoop, you know, And I never will forget 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.040 because I was like, man, I need to get with Snoop. 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:48.400 I needed because I messed with when I was sixteen 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.839 and I heard him say, Lok, I know he from 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:55.239 Long Beach from twenty Crip. I'm involved, I'm involved in 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:57.640 I'm involved in the Crip card, the crib Nation. So 0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:00.400 I know, I know if I get with Snoop and 0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:04.399 Snoop find out that I'm a musical guy that come 0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:09.520 from that thing, that is familiar with that thing. And 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:14.759 I was like, if I could get with Snoop, you know, 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:17.680 I never asked battle Cat to put me with Snoop. 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:20.440 I never asked none of them guys to put me 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:24.680 with Snoop. Marlon Williams, I said, man, I gotta get 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.839 with Snoop, you know, because I was always a real 0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:30.319 respectful musician because I grew up with musicians, so I 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:33.640 knew not to overstep my boundaries. If a producer called me, 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:36.160 I knew when I was a musician to leave when 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.120 it's time to leave. You were just you were there 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:40.920 to play session. That's why I work so much. I 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:42.800 knew how to shut the fuck up and keep pushing 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.160 keep my job because I saw a lot of musicians 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:48.719 that I grew up. My uncle's in different family that 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:51.920 was very opinionated people, you know. And I saw how 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.879 opinions didn't work too well in the workforce in Los Angeles. 0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:57.480 People arguing over pins the most stupid shit in the 0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.000 fucking world. So I knew then to shut the fuck 0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:01.480 up if I want to work and make a living 0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:05.200 in La record culture. So I never asked battle Cat 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.040 and none of them to put me with Snoop. And 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:08.719 I didn't want to ask battle Cap for that because 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:10.480 I didn't I didn't want to be around Snoop and 0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:13.239 battle Cat. I just wanted battle Cat. I didn't want 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.200 to share no time with battle Cat. I wanted to 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:18.280 get everything I could. Battle Cat is enough of the 0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:21.400 star and still to this day he's he's I look 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:23.360 at him the same way I look at Quincy Jones 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:27.200 For me personally, you know, for me personally, I look 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:30.520 at him as the architect. He's the guy from my 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:34.680 neighborhood that was on the radio with Domino that whoa Okay, 0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.439 so we could still be us. But we could still 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:41.200 be us, still be g with it, love our families, 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:44.520 love God. If we got a trip, slap a niggas, 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:50.640 we got a trip. But love music, you know. And 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.400 he loved his He loved his kids, you know. And 0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:55.400 I used to love the fact he he loved because 0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:57.560 I back then, I'm from the air of you know, 0:57:57.840 --> 0:57:59.520 you didn't have no money. The baby mama was not 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.640 fucking It was a bad time and in black history, 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.040 I call it straight up, you know, And it was 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:07.240 just money was driving the world where I didn't have 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:09.560 a lot of man at a certain age. So seeing 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:12.720 battle Cat raised as kids really helped me maneuver with 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:14.680 my children and they moms just to the best of 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:17.120 my ability at that time. You know what I'm saying. 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:24.920 But Marlon Williams uh Man, I mean, I'm at the GMW, 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:31.200 a Gospel Music Workshop of America. I'm doing credit card fraud. 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:35.520 I'm flying choirs out on fake credit cards. I'm hustling, 0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:39.200 but I'm also but I'm also playing with God's problem. 0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:41.919 I'm playing now, I'm scamming for me, not the chuck. 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:46.480 We're not gonna put God in that. It's great. So 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:48.800 I was at the gmw A and it was in Minneapolis, 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.240 and back then I was doing credit card fraud a lot. 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:54.520 I got in trouble for that. When I was trying 0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:56.520 to make my way to be a musician. I want 0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:58.800 to fly places and meet up with the homies, So 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:01.640 I knew how to run the plays. You feel me like, 0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:06.000 I ain't gonna be broke if the horn break, if 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.080 the music stopped me, I ain't gonna be broke. That's 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:10.080 what I ain't gonna do. I ain't grow up like. 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:12.200 We ain't gonna even move like that. So I was 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:14.200 just trying to get it, not to do anything other 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:17.080 than my music career and the fly the homies out, 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:20.760 the fly keyboards out. And you know, we did have 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:25.400 I went to jail for this. So we had these 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:31.160 fake business cars that it's a Dog, the travel agent. 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:33.160 So if we ever get called by the police, we 0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:34.800 gave him the car like man. We didn't. We didn't 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:38.520 know we got the ticket from Dog. But come to doubt, 0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:43.680 dog bad idea so I flew about five choirs out 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:46.240 to the GMW Way, but for some reason they return 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:49.320 tickets didn't work. They got stuck, and I'm there and 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:53.200 I'm there on these tickets too. But now I'm like, 0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:55.680 I get the car. I'm like, don't trip. Let me 0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:57.400 get back to my hotel room because I got a 0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:01.040 sweet you know, I got my see to my laptop. 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:04.520 I'm u. Back then, it wasn't no fast internet, so 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:06.960 I had to go to Kinko's a lot. Yeah, feel 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:10.040 me surviving. So I'm like, don't trip. I'm gonna get 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:13.000 all y'all homes. Just just I talked to Homie. I 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:15.959 just tell them, tell them, mister glitch cud, we're gonna 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:18.240 work it out. Just tell him, pray we're gonna do. 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:22.040 It's nothing. But when I go back to my room 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:25.440 to get on my laptop to do the un my 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:30.360 card ain't working. And then I'm like, but now, let 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:32.640 me tell you. When you when you're doing that life, 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:34.720 you gotta believe in the in the whole thing. So 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:40.600 you like, they made a mistake. So I go down 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:46.080 I can't make this ship up. Many I go downstairs. 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:50.680 I'm like, I'm like, my keys not working, and they said, oh, 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:56.080 wait right here, that's what you're supposed to leave when 1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:59.840 you committed, because this is when we was you know, 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:03.000 he kind of god what And I was like, get 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:07.160 the manager, are you gonna do that? And my sense 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:10.560 in the room, my horn, my bags, everything's in the room. 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:13.600 So I called my dad because my dad's living in Minneapolis, right, 1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:16.360 I said, Dad, the thing just boned out. I need 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:18.920 you to pull up and just I'm gonna say some 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:20.680 shit to go and get. I'm gonna say I got asthma. 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:22.720 I'm about to fake this asthma atack. I'm about to 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:24.680 get into this room and get my ship. I need 1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:26.360 to pull up, get this back door. I'm'na hopp in 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:29.160 the car. We're gonna bone out. And this is when Sprint. 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:32.640 I was doing the burnout phones with Sprint. No next 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:36.960 till to burn out the chirps, right, So I'm like right, 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:40.320 so I never forget. They let me out, like, well 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:42.880 we will, we'll iron out the payment. But let me 1:01:42.920 --> 1:01:46.240 get my asthma ship. We'll iron out the payment. So 1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:48.040 I went up got my ship. That's why to this 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:50.200 day I keep my shit be by the door. Get 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:52.640 got my ship. Hotel, my dad waiting to hop in 1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:55.360 the car as I'm getting the car. Because I told Marlon, 1:01:56.120 --> 1:02:00.360 if Snoop needs a nigga to roll his blunts, take 1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:04.680 pictures to wipe his shoes, to carry the luckas Marlin 1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:07.800 had been with Snoop since ninety five and tour him 1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:10.000 with Snoop forever. So Marlon was the real plug for 1:02:10.080 --> 1:02:12.880 all of us to any bit of celebrity anything. So 1:02:12.960 --> 1:02:14.960 I said, if Snoop me anything. So a year later, 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:19.800 Marlin said, Hey, Snoop want to try horns. He want 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:22.439 to try horns. I said, what you mean horns? I said, 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:25.720 I said, what you mean? He like he wants you 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:30.280 to he I got it. Situation, try horns. She said, hey, 1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:33.640 just to burnout, he said, he keep your motherfucking beats 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:37.120 in your pocket. Do not do this gig to give 1:02:37.160 --> 1:02:39.880 him beats. You do this gig to do a good show, 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:43.160 to mention the music is right. If you do this wrong, 1:02:43.800 --> 1:02:46.400 you're gonna fuck up any window of giving him any music. 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:50.160 Don't be the typical musician fucking up the moment and 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:52.760 rushing the moment because you feel like it's your moment. 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:55.160 You're it is, You're I'm going to get this or 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:58.320 it's never gonna happen in it. Just chill, you're already in. 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:01.880 Just chill and man. And for a year I had 1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:04.920 a back pocket full of beats, and every day I 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:06.880 just go this minute, snoop, just look at me the 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:10.320 wrong I was right. So one day we was rehearsing, 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:12.160 I flew back and oh mind you, I'm in the 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:14.760 car running. I never got back to choirs. That's why 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:17.720 I left the gospel, my gospel career alone. I left 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:19.440 them all there, so I had to come back to 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:24.160 l A. Wait. Wait, I never figured out the choirs. 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:27.600 I see something to this day. Everything cool now. But 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:31.040 they made it back. They made it back. Shout out. 1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:36.200 They know me. I was young. I was young. I 1:03:36.240 --> 1:03:37.640 was just doing my thing. I didn't mean no harm. 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:41.480 But you gotta know if she is a real discount 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:47.600 crazy rate, like, come on, I fly back. My mama 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:49.400 sent me the money. Mama, send me money, fly back. 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:52.280 I ain't got no money. Please whatever me your money, Mama. 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:54.320 I can't talk to you. You know what I'm involved in. 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:57.600 Get me back home, mama, because they could the police. 1:03:57.880 --> 1:03:59.800 I just I want to go back and I want 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:02.160 to with Snoop. This is I've been praying. So that's 1:04:02.200 --> 1:04:07.040 the chirp you get. Just the church, Hello, Mark like 1:04:07.080 --> 1:04:10.360 a nigga, get back to La tomorrow. We gotta rehearsal 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:14.360 Snoop on a horn section what I'm out of God's property? 1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:18.680 Fuck them get back the dog, won't you. I'm on 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:19.360 the way. 1:04:19.800 --> 1:04:23.320 Because I probably can't talk to God's property this because 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:26.080 I did you out because they're stuck in Minnesota. 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:31.440 I came back. We rehearsed s I R my first time. 1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:34.160 I'm like, wow, I just how old are you at 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:40.320 this point? Nineteen? Oh, your baby nineteen? Right now. I'm 1:04:40.360 --> 1:04:42.560 not letting a nineteen year old nigga book my ticket anyway. 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:45.520 You know what I mean. I'm just not. Let me 1:04:45.520 --> 1:04:49.640 tell you somebody respectfully, back in those days, you gotta say, 1:04:49.680 --> 1:04:54.880 back in those days, you know every you know, the 1:04:54.920 --> 1:04:57.080 Black Church is a real culture. Man. Discounts is a 1:04:57.120 --> 1:04:59.800 real thing, discounter real thing. 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:03.080 Well was a discounting No, No, I mean, I mean 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:03.720 you gotta get to it. 1:05:03.800 --> 1:05:05.160 You gotta get how much did they pay you? 1:05:05.200 --> 1:05:08.320 Because they paid him on twenty five fifty most ever 1:05:08.400 --> 1:05:10.560 got a Sunday was one fifty fifty. 1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:13.080 Yeah, sat big. Did you even get that? Did you 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:17.080 get that? It started off at twenty five. He's from 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:20.080 the East coast though, Like that's you you, that's I 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:23.840 mean the campers play, I mean the biggest guys just 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:26.560 I played for. Like, that's just more of the l 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:30.560 A was always different. It's like I feel like LA 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:32.960 had more of a business culture. Nineteen Yeah, close to 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:35.560 for sure. The music going out here for sure. Yeah, 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:37.880 eighteen nineteen twenty for me, those three years I was 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:41.720 at Church oft the Harvest and for a week for sure. 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:44.480 I remember ninety eight, I was getting twelve hundred a week. 1:05:45.240 --> 1:05:47.920 That's five serve because I was selling for Donald Hayes 1:05:48.280 --> 1:05:50.480 for three years. He went on on a play god 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:52.480 for plays was a real Oh yeah. 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:54.920 Church Harvest was the first mega church I'd ever been to. 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:56.320 Oh that's the real in my life. 1:05:56.360 --> 1:05:58.640 It was real, man. I never seen nothing like that. 1:05:58.640 --> 1:05:59.960 I knew I was making money because I ran the 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:03.320 car for three years. What I was making Church, I 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:05.760 was getting paid. I was making I was like twelve 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:09.080 hundred bucks a week. I didn't have no rent. Yeah, 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:11.760 you just cooking. I'm just hanging trying to get the 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:15.600 Snoop Dogg Wow, still trying to get out the church, 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:18.120 though still trying to not play in the church, still 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:22.320 doing rebel shit like like like I was doing because 1:06:22.720 --> 1:06:25.440 because like mcclennan was on TV, and I was like, man, 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:27.600 I can't be known as as I don't want to 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:29.800 be known as a church dude, like I don't want 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:31.200 to be known as the jazz dude. I want to 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:33.080 be known as a musicians. So what I'm gonna do different? 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:35.840 So I was always early with like I'm gonna die 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:38.600 my hair fire engine red because I'm directly behind the camera. 1:06:40.120 --> 1:06:42.320 I'm gonna die my hair bright red so everybody could 1:06:42.320 --> 1:06:44.920 see me because we're on TV. I ain't got nothing, 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:49.280 no mystery, that's TV, that's business. I was on that thing. 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:52.760 We cut the cameras off. Your were on TV. I 1:06:52.840 --> 1:07:01.560 gotta be seeing like you know. But so church I was. 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:03.720 I was, I was making and then I grew up 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:06.439 and then like Andrew guhat my mentor, I was doing 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:10.880 like whatever Donald Hayes didn't want to do. I remember 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:13.760 me learning, trying to learn so many Donald hayes uh 1:07:14.160 --> 1:07:16.760 way of playing because he he knew how to play saxophone, 1:07:16.760 --> 1:07:20.480 where I've seen it creates real estate, you know, high 1:07:20.520 --> 1:07:23.480 notes and grace notes and knowing how to play those 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:26.840 gospel tunes like be grateful and like really knowing how 1:07:26.840 --> 1:07:29.680 to pull out the like the spear come through when 1:07:29.680 --> 1:07:32.040 he plays. So I was like, oh, I see, I see. 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:35.680 So I just always saw Donald Hayes rock crowds and Andrew. 1:07:36.080 --> 1:07:39.480 Andrew wasn't doing no these the wasn't local church dude. 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:42.800 These are innovators, animals. Yeah, so I was on. I 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:45.360 was young and really not worthy at all, but I 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:48.440 was on. They gig, you know whatever Donald didn't want 1:07:48.440 --> 1:07:51.840 to do. I do them all. You know, I do everything. 1:07:52.680 --> 1:07:56.040 You know, Donald was the only dude and getting bread 1:07:56.400 --> 1:07:59.840 all the records shout out to Donald Hayes. Man shot 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:03.640 Donald Hayes like for real, Like, yeah, so you end 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:05.680 with Snoop? When does he hear it beat? I'll hear 1:08:05.760 --> 1:08:12.320 it go. Yeah. I did one whole tour with Snoop 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:16.080 Red Hot Chili Pepper tour, three months. I didn't say 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:21.400 ship played my role, kept it cool. Uh, I got 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:23.040 close with it. When we got back. We built a 1:08:23.080 --> 1:08:25.680 relationship and I ended up staying staying with him, just 1:08:25.880 --> 1:08:29.120 always going to his house, just pulling up and then, uh, 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:35.320 one day I remember he was a it had to 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:37.120 be one of the days he You know, everybody knows 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:41.719 if you when Kobe was playing a Laker game, Snoop 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:43.880 is not dealing with music when the Laker games playing, 1:08:43.880 --> 1:08:46.519 when the Laker games on, and we used to live 1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:48.200 so far. By the time I get to Snoop's house, 1:08:48.240 --> 1:08:50.200 the Laker game had just starts. So and I'm not 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:53.280 leaving right and I'm not that much into sports, but 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:56.080 I learned through this. Like you know, when Snoop says yeah, 1:08:56.120 --> 1:08:57.760 you say yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:04.880 yeah yeah. I feel like I want to say, I 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:08.640 want to say. I want to say one night the 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:11.559 Lakers lost or something like that, and uh, I just 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:13.800 happened to be there with the beat, and you know, 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:16.800 he would always playing video games and Nate Dog be around. 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:22.360 And then I remember asking the engineer play some beats. 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:28.720 I'm like, he means like pre existing because now I'm 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:30.640 trying to listen for the clues because I don't want 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:33.640 to because Marlin said, don't don't don't, don't pre do it, 1:09:33.680 --> 1:09:35.320 don't suck it up, So I don't want to suck 1:09:35.360 --> 1:09:37.040 it up. So I'm listening for the cues. I'm like 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:39.960 the beat. And then the engineer took a little while 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:43.360 and then he just for something. It must have been god, bro. 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:46.760 He just turned me and said, you got any beats? 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:54.439 And I was like, and I remember this exact day. 1:09:54.640 --> 1:09:57.600 He took the b said, I said, these are eighteen beats. 1:09:57.600 --> 1:10:01.000 These for you. I made these for these feet, these 1:10:01.120 --> 1:10:03.760 for you, like these for you. He probably thought I 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:05.479 was weird because I was like, I'm built to work 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:09.240 with you. I am, I'm built to work with you. 1:10:09.400 --> 1:10:14.240 I prayed to work with you at twelve, like I. 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:19.280 So he like then. So then he says, he said 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:21.200 I could do whatever I want with these beats. I 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.840 said yeah. He say, these beats are all mine. He 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:25.600 said yeah. He said again, I could do whatever I 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:28.840 want with these beats. I said yeah. And the start 1:10:28.880 --> 1:10:31.360 of me and his relationship of me by myself without 1:10:31.360 --> 1:10:33.599 being a ghost keyboard player like I was for years 1:10:33.600 --> 1:10:39.160 on a lot of a lot of major producers by 1:10:39.200 --> 1:10:42.080 the time I got when he said that, it was 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:44.519 at the time we also met a young man by 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:49.400 the name of Sycamore, and Sycamore was really influencing Snoop 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:52.679 Dogg back then on doing mixtapes and Snoop has started 1:10:52.680 --> 1:10:55.680 this series called Welcome to the Church series and it 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:58.040 was tearing up the streets at LA and the first 1:10:58.120 --> 1:11:01.719 important series, the ones, was mainly produced by a young 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:05.360 terrorist Martin doing most of the music with a jelly 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:07.840 roll and a battle cat and then he'll say my name, 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:09.760 And then I was on the road with him. So 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:13.559 then I start learning. So then I was saying in 1:11:13.560 --> 1:11:16.000 my head, I said, as I'm on the road now 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:18.599 records just mixtape records. But I didn't need no money. 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:20.439 I didn't. I never, I never, I didn't need no money. 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:22.639 I was. I'm just gracious you wrapped on the beat 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:24.600 of mine. I didn't need no I would have I 1:11:24.640 --> 1:11:26.360 would have worked, I would have paid you to do this. 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:28.840 I don't need no money. I'm just happy you did it. 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:32.040 And I was on the road and I started doing 1:11:32.080 --> 1:11:35.120 things like how I got on so many records. I 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:38.080 start seeing, you know, most musician behavior on the road 1:11:38.080 --> 1:11:41.560 with the artists is either go back, go hang by themselves. 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:44.439 Some go eat with the guys. Some try to hang 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:47.719 out laughing joke with the artists. I hate those guys. 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:50.680 They laugh and joke with the artists, you know. For me, 1:11:51.080 --> 1:11:54.280 I knew that Snoop stayed in studios in LA, but 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:57.080 it was no studio for him on the road. So 1:11:57.479 --> 1:12:01.560 I convinced the security cars. I said, man, can I 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:04.759 ride the security bus? And the securities was intense. Nobody 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:06.320 wants to ride a streep. I said, man, can me 1:12:06.920 --> 1:12:09.559 give me and my friend k Kmoski Washington Kmosity ride 1:12:09.560 --> 1:12:14.519 the security bus because I told you, man, I'm gonna 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:16.680 bring a studio. But he didn't know I was doing this, 1:12:17.200 --> 1:12:19.720 so I lie and told security, Yeah, Snoop said it's 1:12:19.720 --> 1:12:21.320 cool for me to bring the studio. Because now now 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:24.960 I'm finessing because now I'm knowing he don't talk to 1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:26.479 the excuse he's a start. He talks to him, but 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:28.840 about security him. He's not worried about the studio with 1:12:28.880 --> 1:12:30.599 these guys. So I'm already like, this is what we're 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:32.800 gonna do. So I'm like Snoop saying, man, let me 1:12:32.800 --> 1:12:34.679 get the whole back of the bus so I could. 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:38.200 I could because this is before this is the inbox. Absolutely, 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:42.559 I still have to bring a power supplier. It's it's 1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:45.800 no soft sense going on right now. So I had 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:48.080 that studio on that bus, and I just know every 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:50.880 Snoop because now that I'm already in with Snoop, I 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:53.519 still respected Marylon. Marlon was still with me the whole way, 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:55.519 and I said, what should I do? Now? Should move? 1:12:55.600 --> 1:13:02.240 He'd be like, when we get to the next city soundcheck, 1:13:03.960 --> 1:13:06.759 you make sure you sit at that keyboard and whatever 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:09.840 song Snoop sing, you better know it. And if he 1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:12.120 sing a song, you play a song that he knowing 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:16.120 that keyboard. After that he gonna be fucking with you. 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:18.080 And then tell him, man, I got a studio on 1:13:18.080 --> 1:13:21.559 the bus, let's get out. So I was like, oh shit, 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:25.400 this is like some some other shit. The snoopid Gun 1:13:25.640 --> 1:13:27.600 sound checks and do a blue Magic song and do 1:13:27.640 --> 1:13:31.200 a temptation. He's a he's a walking DJ. So I'd 1:13:31.240 --> 1:13:33.360 be like, oh, I don't have as many years of music. 1:13:33.720 --> 1:13:35.439 But at this point I grew up playing the Townhouse 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:38.400 and play black clubs, black weddings, Like I know all 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:40.799 the songs I need to know for a black wedding, 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:44.600 a baby shower of anything. I know all the so 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:49.200 I know your songs. I know I know the songs. 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:58.240 And he starts singing, what song did he start singing, 1:13:58.280 --> 1:14:04.840 hold on, oh guy. I think it was God will 1:14:04.880 --> 1:14:07.799 take care of You. About the Hawkins, it was some obscure. 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:12.120 It was some like esoteric song that you had to 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:15.439 have like a love a live album to know this. 1:14:16.280 --> 1:14:18.120 And it just so happened to see how God do 1:14:18.160 --> 1:14:21.679 he put me ride in place? I had just spent 1:14:21.800 --> 1:14:26.080 a year studying this music with with Robert but See 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:29.120 Wright and Dallas R. C. Williams, Sean Martin. I had 1:14:29.200 --> 1:14:32.360 just left Dallas for a year studying with all the 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:35.519 gospel baddest motherfuckers in the world and knowing all the 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:40.000 Hawkins songs. So I was white when he said God 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:44.720 will take care of You and the band started playing it, 1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:48.200 and I was like, right after I said, hey, I 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:50.120 got a studio on the bus because I'm trying to 1:14:50.120 --> 1:14:53.760 fuck with you. I'm on the bus. He like, you 1:14:53.760 --> 1:14:57.240 got a host on the bus YEP. So he started 1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:00.320 making that security bus park in the It was I 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:02.840 was looking like, you know, the whole bus with parks 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:05.439 or snoo could get to the studio early, you know, 1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:07.400 and I would be the only engineer on the bus. 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:10.080 And that's how we really bonded. Studio. Then when I 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:11.680 got back to La, I would go to his house 1:15:11.720 --> 1:15:14.400 because I wasn't going to Snoop Dogg for placements. See 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:16.840 that's where everybody got it fucked up. I wasn't. My 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:19.000 quest wasn't to come out on records with Snoop Dogg. 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:21.720 My quest was to be next to him and just 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:24.360 figure out what can I learn from him? What can 1:15:24.400 --> 1:15:28.400 I how can I learn? My goal was never how 1:15:28.439 --> 1:15:30.200 many records I got on Snoop. If that was my goal, 1:15:30.240 --> 1:15:32.280 I probably would have a lot more. My goal was 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:33.880 to be around and be a service, no matter what 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:36.040 I was doing for Snoop. If Snoop needed the baddest 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:38.920 musicians in the world done a cat Robert Glass for this, 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:41.040 if Snoop needed that, blah blah, same thing for Kendrick. 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:44.240 It just so happens. I'm I'm you know, I'm a 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:47.840 very good record producer and musician. But if I could 1:15:47.920 --> 1:15:51.000 just fellowship the vibe, that's my thing, you know, I 1:15:51.000 --> 1:15:53.880 think that's my gift, Fellowship the vibe. You know, that's 1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:55.519 kind of my thing. Man. You know. So I think 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:58.679 with Snoop we really bonded because he see I didn't 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:01.920 want nothing, you know, I didn't need nothing because I 1:16:01.960 --> 1:16:04.599 didn't know I didn't need anything. You know, I didn't 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:06.519 know what nothing about. I was just happy that I 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:09.840 had food and I could be traveling the world. And 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:11.679 I know, damn well, this man could do this shit 1:16:11.760 --> 1:16:14.920 with a fucking MP three and they still gonna come. 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:18.120 I never would forget. The band sounded horrible one night 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:21.559 cause niggas was being funny. If the band they was 1:16:21.600 --> 1:16:24.479 being funny, there was being you know, when band members 1:16:24.479 --> 1:16:26.920 get paid a little late, they be little attitudes and shit. 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:30.160 But but now Snoop, he didn't build me. I'm five 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:32.599 years now. He got me. I care about the whole program. 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:37.000 And I'm like, okay, yeah, we gonna uh nah cause 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:38.639 I know so many people when I go back home, 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:41.479 they would love this. They would love this. You know. 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:44.200 That's when you see Snoop was the first one I had, 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:47.120 me and the band Kama seeing the band, Thundercat in 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:49.519 the band, Robert S. Bussey right in the like, Snoop 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:52.960 is the fucking Billy eckstein oft this shit. And if 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:56.000 you know about Billy Ecksteon, you know Billy Extern had 1:16:56.040 --> 1:17:00.280 Disney Gillespie. Billy extn't had Miles Davis, Charlie Parker. Snop 1:17:00.439 --> 1:17:05.439 is that without without Snoop, any equation, Los Angeles is 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:09.479 nothing musically, not rap. Rap is one part of Snoop 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:13.880 Doggie Dog, the franchise, the whole thing of UH. The 1:17:13.920 --> 1:17:15.720 death Row and the Snoop are are the ones that 1:17:15.880 --> 1:17:19.959 hired all the musicians. That's what hired all the musicians. 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:23.439 The musicians was so mad when when Roger Lynn put 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:26.639 out that fucking drum machine. They were so mad when 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:29.160 the Lyn drum came out because drummers lost work. They 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:31.599 were so mad when the Yamaha DX seven came out 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:35.080 because horn players lost work. They were so fucking mad 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:39.280 and depressed and broken hearts, families getting lost, people live 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:44.599 in hotels. It was dark. Death Row came that kind 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:48.479 of music, you know. It was when you have a 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:53.560 hit record with live music on it on the baseline. 1:17:53.800 --> 1:17:56.640 Now those local musicians in that town, they got to 1:17:56.640 --> 1:17:59.080 play that record at that club. So you when you 1:17:59.120 --> 1:18:01.120 have a hit record with live mentionruments, you supplying the 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:04.599 job for other people. Craig Craig Brockman taught me that. Hmm. 1:18:04.880 --> 1:18:07.240 He said, every time you play a horn on the record, 1:18:07.320 --> 1:18:10.920 or you play an instrument. We are supplying work for 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:14.439 the cats. Never leave the cats behind them. They make 1:18:14.479 --> 1:18:17.840 the ship tick, they make the shit tick. Ain't about 1:18:17.840 --> 1:18:21.040 the money, because it ain't. It ain't never been about 1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:22.840 the money with me, even with Kendrick, I've just been 1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:25.720 on all the records. But that's my friend. I care 1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:29.519 about that guy because he's so gifted before it, but 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:33.400 I've always cared about him. You know, I just want 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:35.080 to be I just know, if you on the vibe, 1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:39.160 you good. Get to the motherfucking vibe. People people so 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:42.360 busy trying to get to a spot without they trying 1:18:42.400 --> 1:18:44.960 to you know, the sponsors there. Just get to the vibe. 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:48.000 And if you you know, you'll get for make room. 1:18:48.040 --> 1:18:51.000 If you're a bad motherfucker, if you all talk, you'll 1:18:51.040 --> 1:18:54.519 be the god bringing the bottles all the time. We 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:58.000 need them too. But you ain't making no decisions, bringing 1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:02.280 no motherfucking bottles. Buy my own damn bottles, you know 1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:03.400 what I mean? Yeah? 1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:08.840 Mm hm oh yeah. So let's get into this. Because 1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:13.240 you went, you went, you went. You segue into Kendrick 1:19:14.760 --> 1:19:19.400 and your work with Kendrick. You were, you have been 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:24.040 a very instrumental part of just the tde family one, 1:19:24.560 --> 1:19:30.880 but especially with Kendrick and then when you guys get 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:34.559 to to Pimp a Butterfly, that's when to me it 1:19:34.640 --> 1:19:38.240 felt like, Okay, they're fully in sync at this point 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:46.679 and in popular rap you had never heard that type 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:49.960 of musicianship in a long time. I won't say ever, 1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:52.599 but like cause Snoop and death Row had that right, 1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:55.680 But in between that, it really wasn't a lot of 1:19:56.080 --> 1:19:58.320 you hear no horns on records. You hear no you 1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:00.639 know what I'm saying, Like you did you just that 1:20:00.640 --> 1:20:01.240 that feeling? 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:04.240 Yeah, that feeling at that level. 1:20:04.720 --> 1:20:09.639 Yeah, yeah, I felt like Kendrick was taking a real 1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:13.080 chance because it could have just been written off of 1:20:13.160 --> 1:20:16.880 like ah, yeah, that's just too musical and too creative 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:20.280 and that ain't really what this thing is. I feel 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:25.080 like he figured out a way to merge the worlds 1:20:25.400 --> 1:20:28.479 and you were a big part of that. What was 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:35.880 the conversation behind you know, like to Pinper Butterfly, it's. 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:39.599 It's a uh, you know, when you're really in sync. 1:20:40.920 --> 1:20:45.639 It's like, I don't trull with a lot of people. 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:47.880 When I do decide to come outside, it's with herb 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:50.439 be Handcock because I learned so much. Okay, you you 1:20:50.520 --> 1:20:54.320 are lost in today, he said, handcut. That's that's the 1:20:54.400 --> 1:20:56.559 only side I'm not being. That's the only side. Man. 1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:59.599 I'm gonna be to Herbie forever because I'm in dead 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:03.280 to him. But uh what Herbie always says, like, and 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:07.479 I'm sure both of y'all notice touring that third week 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:11.360 when everything started taking shape, everything started where you ain't 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:13.920 gotta look behind you, you ain't gotta It's like, even 1:21:13.960 --> 1:21:17.160 if you make a mistake, your guy is and everything is. 1:21:17.200 --> 1:21:19.760 It's just you're not even thinking about it. You are 1:21:19.800 --> 1:21:22.840 not even going you They're not even going to sound 1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:26.360 check right now. It's just it's flowing for what the 1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:31.240 mic is there? It's just there? Uh with with me? 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:42.160 With the TD guys, mhm. Top and Punch are masters 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:48.439 of getting a bunch of borderline insane crazy people in 1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:52.760 one room that all have loud voices and figure out 1:21:52.760 --> 1:21:55.880 a way where we all follow a common goal. I've 1:21:55.880 --> 1:22:00.280 never seen leaders like like Topping Punch in my life. Punch, 1:22:00.479 --> 1:22:03.840 I'm Top, definitely Punch, I'm close to Punch, you know 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:08.360 what I'm saying. Just I've never seen leadership done like that, 1:22:08.560 --> 1:22:11.760 you know, I've never because we was difficult to deal 1:22:11.800 --> 1:22:13.559 with it. You don't know, you know what I'm saying. 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:15.400 One day we all said out with Punch. We was 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:19.920 he could tell you some stories like oh man, ha 1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:25.800 oh shit. But the I'm saying that the conversation, it 1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:29.040 was never a conversation because we've been in sync for 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:31.760 so long. We've been in sinks since the mixtape. Like 1:22:31.960 --> 1:22:35.200 I mean, like I produced the first record for them 1:22:35.240 --> 1:22:38.400 to get the deal at Warner Brothers. That's how long 1:22:38.520 --> 1:22:41.559 it's to start. It's not a I'm not coming. It's 1:22:41.600 --> 1:22:44.360 like we just hear you know. That's how God, that's 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:48.040 how the creators just they put us together. Like which 1:22:48.080 --> 1:22:50.559 is crazy to me when you think about to Peper Butterfly, 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:54.160 because finally, after all these years, I was able to 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:57.479 use everything from the relationships to the skill level to 1:22:57.560 --> 1:23:00.719 the breaking rules. I was finally able to use everything. 1:23:00.760 --> 1:23:02.840 You know, most of the records I've done, even though 1:23:02.840 --> 1:23:05.240 it has been great success. You know, I'm you know, 1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:07.080 I love him. I love him when they especially when 1:23:07.080 --> 1:23:10.240 they make money, love them. But it's you know, some 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:14.400 records you're more connected to, you know, Uh, the conversation 1:23:15.479 --> 1:23:19.600 with to Pip a butterfly wasn't really so it was. 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:21.639 It's a lot of loose conversation. A lot of things 1:23:21.720 --> 1:23:26.040 was going on in time, and you know, it's a 1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:27.680 lot of a lot of that's when the police had 1:23:27.720 --> 1:23:30.080 really started turning back up on the Brothers and the 1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:32.680 news was getting crazy, and hip hop was had a 1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:36.040 weird little stand still. Everybody was kind of sound the same, 1:23:37.040 --> 1:23:39.920 and you know, he was heavily influenced at that time 1:23:39.960 --> 1:23:42.160 by jazz. We was just I mean, one day I 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:45.120 walked in he was rapping. I was like, man, you man, 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:48.400 you like a jazz musician. Man, you rapping like Freddie Hubbard. 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:50.840 And you got one song you sound like Woody Shaw, 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:54.040 And you got one song you sound like classic Clark Terry, 1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:55.880 and you got one where you sound like you playing 1:23:56.840 --> 1:24:00.200 Don Cherry Freeze. You just made all these rhythms because 1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:02.120 one day I got I got high as fucking I 1:24:02.160 --> 1:24:06.240 transcribed the Kendrick solo. I just wrote it out and 1:24:06.360 --> 1:24:08.479 I stood it next to a couple of my favorite 1:24:09.400 --> 1:24:12.280 cold training solos that I've transcribed in my earlier days 1:24:12.280 --> 1:24:15.479 of transcribing, and I was like, oh, this is deed 1:24:16.520 --> 1:24:20.720 that has to be ancestral recall this kid, don't even 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:24.360 this de don't know no Cold Train records that that's 1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:27.559 that has to be ancestral recall, that has to be 1:24:29.600 --> 1:24:34.000 that's weird. And as we start going there and he start, 1:24:34.080 --> 1:24:37.439 you know, I never forget what wanted this story will 1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:41.320 say everything. The horn up until that record was like 1:24:41.479 --> 1:24:43.559 it was starting to make you know, but the horn 1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:45.240 was always I never bought the horn in the record 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:48.360 sessions because in LA record culture, you come with you. 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:51.479 If I'm a record producer, producer and artists R and 1:24:51.520 --> 1:24:53.439 B artists, they ain't going on the fucking saxophone. At 1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:56.280 this time. The a't gonna know if I'm alto they 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:57.720 singing alto what I fuck? They won't me. They don't 1:24:57.760 --> 1:24:59.840 do no, no, they don't want that. And the horn 1:24:59.920 --> 1:25:02.120 is it was deemed as two musical to this. It 1:25:02.160 --> 1:25:04.439 was to this, to that, to that. So I remember 1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:06.719 when sound Wave and Kendrick we was in the studio 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:13.200 and they brought up the record, Uh, we gonna be 1:25:13.400 --> 1:25:18.000 all right, And I remember hearing that record like he's like, 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:19.360 I want you to play on this record. I'm like, 1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:21.200 the fuck do you want me to doing this? Bro? 1:25:21.360 --> 1:25:25.160 Like you know, because even even I'm so free. But 1:25:25.240 --> 1:25:29.479 even up until this point, I'm kind of a separate thing. 1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:33.559 I'm kind of like my production is this guy, because 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:36.759 that's a different set of jokes, that's a different restaurant 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:39.880 you're going to, that's a different perfumea wearing, that's a 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:43.479 different kind of boss talk in that world. I've always 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:47.599 kept those worlds separate until to a butterfly. I've kept 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:49.679 my friends separate, like got some wild mother fucking friend. 1:25:50.479 --> 1:25:53.600 And then they said, man, nah, just play, you know, 1:25:54.640 --> 1:25:57.200 And I started playing on it and I was playing 1:25:57.200 --> 1:25:59.160 with I assume that people want to hear side form 1:25:59.200 --> 1:26:03.280 player off rap and you know what I'm saying, and 1:26:04.080 --> 1:26:07.479 Dying Wave said, man, look, man, play that ship that 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:10.800 we you play like this the chance this a for 1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:13.240 real baby, just and even then I was like, man, 1:26:13.240 --> 1:26:15.000 for real, don't like people playing all this ship because 1:26:15.000 --> 1:26:16.920 I know, for real, you know what I'm saying, you know, 1:26:17.840 --> 1:26:19.559 I said, Man, maybe I should ask them in my head, 1:26:19.760 --> 1:26:22.080 I asked for real first, and they was like, man, 1:26:22.120 --> 1:26:24.960 were doing this record. Man play on this record and 1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:28.400 think about how many people we're gonna help. Think about 1:26:28.439 --> 1:26:31.320 what's going on, think about what we're saying. Think about 1:26:31.360 --> 1:26:34.160 what's going on in life, like this ain't a record. This, 1:26:34.160 --> 1:26:36.880 this a this this this, this is where we at. 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:39.920 This this where we at. Just if we this is 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:42.280 where we at, We're gonna we could get them. We could. 1:26:42.800 --> 1:26:45.519 I felt like, you know, the concept was we you 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:47.880 gotta get the message across. However, you got to get 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:52.880 the message across. Yeah, you know that horn, That horn 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:58.400 speaks to the struggle. Yeah. 1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:04.400 Yeah, Like I'm sure the record before the horn had 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:07.760 a good amount of soul and spirit to it, but 1:27:07.840 --> 1:27:14.840 that horn, yeah, puts something that automatically sent you into 1:27:14.920 --> 1:27:19.599 a space of reflection, like it just made you think 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:25.400 about some ship intensely. Yeah, that's what that horn did. 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:27.519 That's what that horn does. Every time I hear it. 1:27:27.840 --> 1:27:31.200 That was intentional. Yeah, that that spirit that talk that 1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:34.599 that like, man, it's fuck this music, it's some's some 1:27:34.680 --> 1:27:38.080 life things going on that's before we Before we are 1:27:38.240 --> 1:27:41.080 musicians and ours, we're human with sons, fathers and some 1:27:41.120 --> 1:27:43.200 other ship that ain't got nothing to do with this 1:27:43.439 --> 1:27:46.840 SSL and this crazy electric bill and it's some ship 1:27:46.920 --> 1:27:49.479 that ain't got none to do that. People going through 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:54.120 in Omaha, Nebraska, which you talk Kansas and Baltimore, like 1:27:54.120 --> 1:27:56.120 it's people going through ship that ain't got nothing to 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:58.280 do with the life we live, and it's more of 1:27:58.320 --> 1:28:02.080 them than what we're doing. So that that was like, okay, yeah, 1:28:02.080 --> 1:28:04.360 because I've been I've been through a lot of different 1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:07.400 struggles as we all have it being you know, being 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:09.160 like that, but that it was it was more like 1:28:09.320 --> 1:28:12.000 a continue on conversation. But as we got deeper, I 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:15.280 remember I started being like, Okay, this kid is crazy. 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:19.720 He started hey. He's like, hey, I want to do 1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:22.320 something jazzy. I'm like, yeah, okay, let me get the 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:25.400 drums out. He's like, no, no, no, I want to do 1:28:25.640 --> 1:28:31.599 like some shit. I'm like okay. I started playing ideas 1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:37.240 like that my Memories. It was a brand from Marcelli's 1:28:37.320 --> 1:28:40.120 record that was playing the minor blues with Kenny Kirkland 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:44.080 on piano, Jeff tang Wats on bass, Jeff taint Wats 1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:47.439 on drums, Forgive Me, Jeff tang Wats on drums, Bob 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:50.760 Hurst on bass, and he was digging out and I 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:53.400 was like, just what you like? And I was like, 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:57.160 oh my god, if we do this on this album, 1:28:57.280 --> 1:29:02.360 this is gonna help so many musicians. If I write 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:05.280 the right piece of music. Once again, you're not forgetting 1:29:05.280 --> 1:29:07.960 the catch. Yeah, if I write the colds, if I 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:11.439 write little what And I remember the night before because 1:29:11.439 --> 1:29:14.120 I was like, nigga tomorrow'mnn come in five ideas. I 1:29:14.160 --> 1:29:17.320 got you. But I was like, damn, this is pressure. 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:20.840 The rapper asked me to write a jazz song. Now, 1:29:21.160 --> 1:29:25.240 I'm like, I said, my daddy always taught. He's like 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:29.400 and went in doubt. The blues, the blues don't never 1:29:29.400 --> 1:29:31.800 fail you. The blues. The blues sing, the blues, play 1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:34.840 the blues. You gotta hear the blues. We love you 1:29:34.840 --> 1:29:37.320 because we hear the blues in your music. You know. 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:40.880 I told camera, we we love that Coco Jones song. Uh, 1:29:41.800 --> 1:29:43.560 I see you because we hear the blues in that. 1:29:44.320 --> 1:29:46.640 We hear the praise and worshiping that. That's why we 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:51.120 love that song. We hear that. Yeah, yeah, connected to it. 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:54.840 So I said, okay, I remember I was hired as 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:58.080 fuck watching MO Better Blues all night because that's what 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:01.040 we was on, Like MO Better Blues, that's like my movie. 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:08.760 I'm like, oh, I gotta I gotta put like this shit. 1:30:08.760 --> 1:30:11.000 Gotta feel like South, It gotta feel like our shit. 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:15.479 It gotta feel like South Central it came. It gotta 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:18.599 feel like what It gotta feel like our best expression 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:21.320 of what we lived. Because one thing I know about 1:30:21.360 --> 1:30:24.280 my brothers and sisters in the art world, the jib 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:26.439 or whatever you want to call it, like, it's not 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:30.320 about money. It's about clues. It's about clues and little 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:33.320 keys that people could take from that and open another door. 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:35.840 So my thing was what how many clues? What can 1:30:35.840 --> 1:30:39.519 I and what's gonna help Kendrick. So all these thoughts 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:41.439 was going through my head. And when I wrote, I remember, 1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:44.240 I was so serious that this was and I could 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:45.760 have taped it, but I didn't. The only person that 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:47.960 has me writing this music and going up with this 1:30:48.080 --> 1:30:50.880 band on tape, Kendrick was taping the whole session with 1:30:50.960 --> 1:30:53.920 his phone. He the only one. And I remember the 1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:55.839 first the top of it's a song called for Free, 1:30:57.240 --> 1:30:59.879 And I remember, and I remember because my boy marlind 1:30:59.880 --> 1:31:02.519 he don't play jazz and Craig Brock don't play the 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:05.040 style of jazz. I was writing. But these are geniuses 1:31:05.800 --> 1:31:07.400 and I was hanging now here go to l a ship. 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:09.479 I'm hanging with these niggas every day. He was my folks. 1:31:10.080 --> 1:31:12.599 So writing the studient, I'm like, I gotta write apart 1:31:12.640 --> 1:31:16.320 for them. So that's why the topic goes. And I 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:18.360 was like, Craig and Martin gonna kill that part. But 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:20.639 then when the band get to going, y'all fall back 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:24.719 and y'all gonna let these these hunters go hunt. Yeah, Roberts, 1:31:24.760 --> 1:31:27.479 but see right, Brandon owns Robert Glassper. We're gonna hunt 1:31:27.479 --> 1:31:29.799 for a minute. And when we started hunting, I remember 1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:31.920 that ship was fast and then we slowed it down. 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:34.519 We got a good groove and Kendrick, I'm gonna send 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:36.920 you out a picture of that night. Kendrick uh So 1:31:37.000 --> 1:31:39.880 Sissor was there too, Kendrick was. He put the mic out, 1:31:39.920 --> 1:31:41.920 so you want to go on the booth. Bro He's like, no, no, no, no, 1:31:42.080 --> 1:31:44.840 no no, I want to record right now as we write. 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:47.840 He's writing right now, right now, right now. And then 1:31:47.840 --> 1:31:52.160 when that first light said this stick came free, I said, 1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:57.920 the jazz is gonna hate me. Yeah, I know what 1:31:58.240 --> 1:32:01.680 do you know? What I'm saying it that that that 1:32:01.720 --> 1:32:04.360 record helped a lot of people. Man, it helped, it helped, 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:08.160 you know. And I did Thundercap myself and it was 1:32:08.240 --> 1:32:11.040 able to like fly low he went and got you know, 1:32:12.680 --> 1:32:14.920 he had been we had been doing music together. But 1:32:14.960 --> 1:32:18.160 this I feel like this was the time I was 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:22.479 able to incorporate everything I've learned thus far in my 1:32:22.920 --> 1:32:26.160 in my music, Catalitee and my social and my showing 1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:28.840 up on time. Because Punch Punch will tell you the 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:31.200 story about good Kid, Mad City, how we were so 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:34.040 friends when Kendrick first started blowing. It was so new 1:32:34.080 --> 1:32:37.200 and fast, be like, man, you better come on this album, Man, 1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:39.559 come on, man, and I you know not taking it 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:41.840 that serious, right, I'm gonna show up. I'm gonna show up. 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:44.360 Punch was so mad at me. So I finally showed 1:32:44.400 --> 1:32:45.720 up and end up being on a decent far the 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:52.160 album right, but but I did? Yeah, madd City real Uh, 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:56.120 Few and Few I forgot, you know they're they're thereot. 1:32:57.400 --> 1:32:59.639 But but what which is one of my favorite songs? 1:32:59.680 --> 1:32:59.960 Thank you? 1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:01.680 That's one of my not only just one of my 1:33:01.680 --> 1:33:05.360 favorite Kendricks. Some people know how and collectively Kendrick put 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:06.280 together a super team. 1:33:06.320 --> 1:33:09.120 It's not just like you hear my stamp and my 1:33:09.200 --> 1:33:12.080 different my imprint on different things more than others. But 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:14.760 it's a super team where it's like even with me, 1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:18.800 like my shit is not working on Kendrick record without 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:22.439 a sound way being next to me. Because when they 1:33:22.479 --> 1:33:25.280 tell me go as far as you want to go, man, 1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:27.120 you're talking to a person that don't even believe in 1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:31.240 the ocean. I only believe in the world. I only 1:33:31.240 --> 1:33:33.880 believe this shit in. So my sense as far as 1:33:34.120 --> 1:33:36.479 is a little different. But you got a god that's 1:33:36.520 --> 1:33:39.280 in between me and Kendrick like wave that's say you 1:33:39.400 --> 1:33:43.760 go far right there, We're there with you, and I'm 1:33:43.800 --> 1:33:45.920 like cool, And they still always allow me to go 1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:48.640 as far as far as more far than any other artists. 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:51.639 A lot of artists called me in to work with them, 1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:53.960 and they always want to work with me based off 1:33:54.040 --> 1:33:56.200 my history. But then what you hate that when they 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:57.920 never want you to do what you do, but they 1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:00.519 call you based off your they just. 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:03.439 Want the same thing, the same thing, yeah right, because 1:34:03.520 --> 1:34:04.719 I mean that's just been a tried. 1:34:04.560 --> 1:34:07.320 And true yeah. But it's like if you. 1:34:09.560 --> 1:34:13.200 If you want the same process, that's different because you're 1:34:13.200 --> 1:34:16.040 always gonna get a different result. 1:34:16.560 --> 1:34:19.280 By the way that process. Now let's talk that talk 1:34:19.320 --> 1:34:24.679 real quick. Now this is this is Jimy Evan's exit record, 1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:26.960 This is the end of This is the Thing of 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:31.520 the Butterflies, not a It's not a Garage Earth the 1:34:31.560 --> 1:34:36.640 Inexpensive album at all. It's it's a guy saying I 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:39.920 want to try strings on the record. Can can we 1:34:40.000 --> 1:34:42.760 just try them? And commansies writing for strings while we're 1:34:42.760 --> 1:34:45.960 having union stream players waiting all day to get charged 1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:48.439 at all, the having all the major studios locked down 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:52.920 for years. So it's a very to be that free. 1:34:53.000 --> 1:34:57.240 Is so expensive to be able to gamble with. So 1:34:57.680 --> 1:35:01.639 it's to be able to say even as a business 1:35:01.800 --> 1:35:03.760 I'm a business owner, you know, if I'm looking at 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:06.559 the numbers with the artists, if I'm like, okay, you 1:35:06.600 --> 1:35:09.120 want to do what you want to get? We like tears, 1:35:09.760 --> 1:35:13.559 Tears is good, yeah, Boom album, feeler, god good. He's 1:35:13.560 --> 1:35:15.719 gonna keep boom boom, lining up, playing on the records. 1:35:15.800 --> 1:35:18.000 He's gonna play on the hits Boom yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:35:18.720 --> 1:35:21.160 But how much of tears you want? Like to do 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:24.320 those kind of things? And they say whatever, is like 1:35:25.360 --> 1:35:28.080 you know what I'm saying. So those those those things 1:35:28.120 --> 1:35:30.720 are expensive pieces of real estatement. 1:35:30.360 --> 1:35:32.839 You know, And you have to start from a business standpoint, 1:35:32.880 --> 1:35:35.400 you have to look at the ro Oi event. For 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:36.920 people that don't understand what that means. 1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:40.120 That's the shout out to Top and Punch and everybody. 1:35:40.280 --> 1:35:44.439 Dave a lot of meetings with me, sure because because 1:35:44.439 --> 1:35:50.679 also my job is as a record producer. A record 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:53.559 producer is just to help the artists get to the 1:35:53.560 --> 1:35:56.760 finish line. So a lot of times Kendrick would say 1:35:56.800 --> 1:35:59.479 he wants easy, I want all these boom boom boom 1:35:59.520 --> 1:36:02.799 boom boom, and I'd be like done, but I wouldn't 1:36:02.880 --> 1:36:09.720 check with nobody, and I'd be like, you know, Top 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:11.240 New call me in the room and what is this. 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:18.719 I'll be like, he's a genius. The genius is expensive 1:36:18.760 --> 1:36:24.439 to genus. Did you learn that from Quincy? I just know, 1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:27.120 I knew, I knew. I got so much love and 1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:30.439 respect for Top for forgiving me opportunity and dealing with 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:34.280 so much mishap for me, uh but just being always 1:36:34.280 --> 1:36:36.040 there for me as a big brid's a business man. 1:36:36.240 --> 1:36:41.240 Very He's taught me how to be very firm, because 1:36:41.240 --> 1:36:44.720 it's just it's just yes or no, you know. And 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:47.400 I think his his leadership is a big part of 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:50.519 them records. Absolutely, he would be in them studio when 1:36:50.560 --> 1:36:53.920 he and them studios, you know, because I'm like the 1:36:53.960 --> 1:36:56.920 party homie, because I'm like the older brother to the homies. 1:36:57.280 --> 1:36:59.000 I'm like at this time, I'm like, I'm the middle 1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:02.120 child in the game, but I'm the older bro to Kendrick. 1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:04.960 And now so I'm seeing I've seen all the mishaps 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:06.760 and then I'm kind of I'm kind of jaded a 1:37:06.800 --> 1:37:09.559 little bit at this time. Right, so I'm coming to 1:37:09.680 --> 1:37:14.240 the you know, tequila every night, the classic vis couple 1:37:14.280 --> 1:37:17.200 of homegirls pull up, just sit in the corner, watch 1:37:17.240 --> 1:37:24.240 me do beats all night. You know the vibe and yeah, yeah, 1:37:24.280 --> 1:37:37.280 you know. Yeah. So Top Top was very Uh his 1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:42.360 presence didn't make you want to invite nobody. I'm just saying, now, 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:46.000 you didn't want to and they got studio rules. Oh no, no, 1:37:46.760 --> 1:37:48.720 it's rules. And you know, I'll be trying to be 1:37:50.160 --> 1:37:52.479 like the bad cousin, you know what I'm saying. But 1:37:52.640 --> 1:37:56.320 Top man, uh nah man. I remember he had he 1:37:56.360 --> 1:37:58.240 only told me one time, and one time I had 1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:00.360 some might show up to a studio session that I 1:38:00.360 --> 1:38:02.280 shouldn't have had. We was a serious night and I 1:38:02.280 --> 1:38:05.640 had a homegirl come come pick me up, but I 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:08.880 left before she came just dumb shit, right, And I 1:38:08.880 --> 1:38:11.559 remember when she came by, he left, and then Top 1:38:11.640 --> 1:38:16.680 came and said, hey, hey man, I didn't tell you 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:20.400 to invite anybody to the studio. You gotta invite and 1:38:20.439 --> 1:38:24.000 he said it that's simple. But it felt like a 1:38:24.040 --> 1:38:27.120 thousand words to me. And I said in my head said, 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:30.200 I said, don't fuck off your opportunity with this man. 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.719 He's giving you opportunity, respect to shit, pay attention, ter hers, 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:36.840 you know what I'm saying. But that the TV thing 1:38:36.960 --> 1:38:39.240 was like college to me, like it's so many things. 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:42.360 I and that's the first crew that that that I 1:38:42.400 --> 1:38:44.439 seen a few million dollars with. That's the first crew 1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:49.240 like they you know, like like like them dudes stay 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:51.880 they stay down if you if you love him, they 1:38:51.960 --> 1:38:53.760 rolling with you, you know what I'm saying. And that's 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:56.599 the first crew I really like. With Snoop, I saw 1:38:56.640 --> 1:38:58.800 the world. I saw my craft get better. I saw 1:38:58.840 --> 1:39:03.719 this with the and and the blessings because of the 1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:05.960 of the things that we've done, thank God in history 1:39:06.360 --> 1:39:07.960 that have helped the others and been able to help 1:39:08.040 --> 1:39:12.720 us financially. Is it's been a well maintained thing as well. 1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:15.559 And that's so rare to say in business. You know 1:39:15.560 --> 1:39:19.240 what I'm saying, especially from a producer and a musician standpoint, 1:39:20.400 --> 1:39:22.320 But you gotta tell top what you're doing before you 1:39:22.320 --> 1:39:27.280 do the beat. I'm gonna play keys, bass, saxophone because 1:39:27.320 --> 1:39:29.120 he in tune and that's what I learned from him too, 1:39:29.200 --> 1:39:31.120 be in tune. Punch the same way. You know what 1:39:31.160 --> 1:39:34.400 I'm saying, Like the TDS is like a university. This 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:37.160 should be a university if people are ever so blessed 1:39:37.200 --> 1:39:40.640 to go through that tutelage. Because these are brothers that 1:39:40.640 --> 1:39:43.679 didn't grow up playing music. See this is different. These 1:39:43.680 --> 1:39:46.679 are brothers that consciously said, we gotta figure this shit out. 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:49.720 What are we gonna do with the music? You know 1:39:49.720 --> 1:39:52.639 what I'm saying. This is Punch saying. You know, Punch 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:54.280 is one of the best songwriters in the world, one 1:39:54.320 --> 1:39:56.559 of the greatest things because ever and I've worked with 1:39:56.640 --> 1:40:01.000 all of them, all of them, and for Punch to 1:40:01.120 --> 1:40:04.000 to to sit back and give his tootelage to to 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:06.519 j Rock Q Dot to app just to his like 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:09.000 his view is so and they're all great em seeds. 1:40:09.080 --> 1:40:12.479 But it's like that crew is so magical. 1:40:13.040 --> 1:40:18.000 I look at I look at Punch as this generation's 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:20.760 d OC. Yeah, and what he meant to death Row 1:40:21.560 --> 1:40:24.799 with the tutelage that he gave to the younger mcs, 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:29.080 you know what I mean. Like, that's how I look 1:40:29.120 --> 1:40:31.440 at Punch, Like he gets it. 1:40:31.439 --> 1:40:34.920 It's not like, oh yes, an executive that no no 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:35.759 no no no no no. 1:40:35.960 --> 1:40:39.200 This is an artist that understands the executive side and 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:44.400 that is willing to give of himself for someone else's game. 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:48.640 Yeah, and a lot of us don't do that. He's 1:40:48.680 --> 1:40:52.280 definitely coming under the umbrella. What if I've seen this 1:40:52.360 --> 1:40:58.559 before in my career. It's like I'm a little older 1:40:58.600 --> 1:41:01.160 than you know, so I grew up under like General Buzzby, 1:41:01.520 --> 1:41:05.720 you know these things. But Punch is reminded me of 1:41:05.800 --> 1:41:07.759 if I was reading a history book. It will remind 1:41:07.840 --> 1:41:15.200 me of like Today's on his way to being a 1:41:17.160 --> 1:41:23.320 progressive Claire's ain't about of today, because not only does 1:41:23.320 --> 1:41:27.960 he understand the music as the massive teachers did, but 1:41:28.000 --> 1:41:33.920 he also understands relationships. He understands politics, he understands he 1:41:34.400 --> 1:41:38.439 understands what people just care about. You know. He's really 1:41:38.479 --> 1:41:41.920 a great leader, you know, what I'm saying, and that's 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:44.840 that's like we don't have we don't have leaders now, 1:41:44.880 --> 1:41:46.960 we don't have leaders. You know, we see what's going 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:49.960 on with everything, we don't we don't have leaders, like 1:41:50.240 --> 1:41:52.880 a lot of the leaders at least like when I 1:41:52.920 --> 1:41:55.840 was younger, it was so many music industry leaders, you know, 1:41:56.120 --> 1:41:59.200 don't we don't have a lot of them right now 1:41:59.760 --> 1:42:04.160 that are really serious and not chasing the bag but 1:42:04.240 --> 1:42:05.880 care about. That's why the show is. That's why I 1:42:05.920 --> 1:42:08.240 be begging you. Yes I did cancel, but it was 1:42:08.280 --> 1:42:10.720 a real legitimate thing. I'm sure I don't remember, but 1:42:10.760 --> 1:42:16.160 I know. That's why this show is so important. And 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:17.960 this this is the looser I've been on. Usually I 1:42:18.040 --> 1:42:19.680 have a whole thing, I know how to talk. I'm 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:21.360 wearing glad you know, I got my whole shabamy. But 1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:24.920 this show is so important because in R and B music, 1:42:28.520 --> 1:42:34.439 other than a couple of cats an R and B, 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:40.040 other than the cast that's in it, it's not talked about. 1:42:40.680 --> 1:42:42.639 Let me let me give you this clear. It's like 1:42:42.920 --> 1:42:47.800 the world needs to know that Davante's Duke Ellington. Like 1:42:49.760 --> 1:42:53.720 it's like R and B. Just now I'm saying, is 1:42:53.760 --> 1:42:56.559 getting talked about at a real point where I can 1:42:56.600 --> 1:42:59.240 see this in the schools being taught. I can see 1:42:59.240 --> 1:43:02.200 different cultures really understand the lineage and the history and 1:43:02.240 --> 1:43:04.320 why we do this, Why it's so important you to 1:43:04.400 --> 1:43:05.960 keep doing this? Why and soaring for me to keep 1:43:05.960 --> 1:43:09.320 doing what? Why? It's so it's okay to love something 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:11.639 in the air of no love. It's okay to love something, 1:43:12.080 --> 1:43:14.439 and it's okay to be great and not just not 1:43:14.600 --> 1:43:18.040 just asks every week, what what are your monthly listeners? 1:43:18.080 --> 1:43:22.080 And you know what I'm saying. Fine, Wait, funny side story. 1:43:22.320 --> 1:43:24.640 I just did napp but the Napa Jazz Festival, and 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:27.960 let me tell everybody about these this this monthly listeners 1:43:28.000 --> 1:43:30.720 ship for the motherfuckers. I hearna get out some gun. 1:43:32.800 --> 1:43:39.000 Eric Roberson, M hmm my god. That's my point. Very talented, talented. 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:47.160 I saw him rock the Napa Jazz Festival from stage 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:53.080 to the wall and get these people a crazy show. 1:43:53.200 --> 1:44:00.280 Everybody screaming with real fans. That's buying things. You know 1:44:00.320 --> 1:44:04.280 what I'm saying. I know what you mean. You go 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:07.320 to monthly listeners or whatever whatever that new thing is 1:44:07.360 --> 1:44:10.559 people do, it'll make you think like he ain't doing 1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:14.600 that doing that. I saw it. 1:44:14.640 --> 1:44:16.559 But then on the flip side, the ones with all 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:20.080 these monthly listeners can't go do with daddy. 1:44:20.880 --> 1:44:23.519 Yeah, I know them, you know what I'm saying. We 1:44:23.920 --> 1:44:24.920 see them. 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:28.640 You know, listen, once we once we get into computers, 1:44:30.920 --> 1:44:34.200 the numbers aren't real numbers anymore, you know what I mean, 1:44:34.600 --> 1:44:37.200 all the whole the days of you know, the numbers 1:44:37.200 --> 1:44:37.679 don't lie. 1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:42.080 They absolutely lie. They're absolutely you know it don't lie. 1:44:46.040 --> 1:44:50.679 You know Michael Jackson videos with them people fainting and 1:44:50.720 --> 1:44:56.280 crying and shaking and that feeling emotion the people people 1:44:56.400 --> 1:44:59.040 don't lie, that feeling. I remember. I remember when I 1:44:59.040 --> 1:45:01.840 first saw Snoop dog I was sixteen, and he walked 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:04.360 down the hallway and shook everybody I was. I was 1:45:04.400 --> 1:45:07.519 at Studio fifty six. I did school to go and 1:45:07.640 --> 1:45:09.840 just see if I could listen to Keith Crouch to 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:13.160 a beat at Studio fifty six and Snoop had walked 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:17.120 out the room and I shook his hand, and that's 1:45:17.120 --> 1:45:18.960 when I first met him, and he shook everybody's hand 1:45:19.000 --> 1:45:22.040 and said Snoop dog Snoop Dogg, like nobody knew who 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:26.439 he was. Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg, you know 1:45:26.439 --> 1:45:28.799 what I'm saying, Why the fuck I tell that story 1:45:29.760 --> 1:45:31.680 because that's a that's a moment in time for you though. 1:45:31.800 --> 1:45:34.760 Yeah, and it also it also something that stayed with 1:45:34.840 --> 1:45:36.920 you as far as humility, I. 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:39.800 Thought, Yeah, that's where I'm getting at, and that's that's 1:45:39.840 --> 1:45:42.800 like I never forgot that with him. He was it 1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:47.200 was about the people. It was beat and for Snoop, 1:45:47.240 --> 1:45:48.120 as we see. 1:45:49.560 --> 1:45:52.920 As about as international as he is, about the people. 1:45:53.080 --> 1:45:55.000 It's always about the. 1:45:54.960 --> 1:45:57.880 People, right, and they've always given back, always given back. 1:45:58.120 --> 1:46:01.240 Now that that that's what separates him from anyone. 1:46:01.439 --> 1:46:05.120 Yeah, he's from anyone. He is. He's absolutely the guy. 1:46:05.280 --> 1:46:08.800 Yeah, you know what I mean because Snoop is everyone's 1:46:08.840 --> 1:46:11.000 family member and he supports everybody. 1:46:11.760 --> 1:46:15.439 Yeah, he supports everybody. Energy is always amazing energy. 1:46:15.560 --> 1:46:17.760 I want to ask you something too, though, about what 1:46:17.800 --> 1:46:24.400 you're on now, Nintendo. So that Forever record Bro, Me 1:46:24.400 --> 1:46:27.800 and Knife wonder Ah, Bro, that's my boy. I love 1:46:27.840 --> 1:46:31.360 that rec Thank you man. I love that record, Bro. 1:46:31.520 --> 1:46:34.120 Thank like you got you. 1:46:34.120 --> 1:46:36.320 Got your you got your Roger Troutman on on there. 1:46:36.960 --> 1:46:40.439 I did that record sixteen years ago. What that record 1:46:40.479 --> 1:46:45.479 sixteen years old, fifteen or sixteen years old, I have 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:47.640 to be doing music, bro, Warren Carroll told me, a 1:46:47.680 --> 1:46:50.600 recording artist job is to record every day. I'll be 1:46:50.640 --> 1:46:53.679 on the same page off this whole time. I'm recording today. 1:46:53.920 --> 1:46:55.840 I have a show tonight. I took a break book 1:46:55.920 --> 1:46:58.479 Larybie to record and go back to those shows. I 1:46:58.560 --> 1:47:01.599 record every day. Songs are my I look at songs 1:47:01.600 --> 1:47:05.759 and certain things as apartment buildings, little houses, little this little, 1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:10.000 that little that little that real estate. Bro. Every day, 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:12.280 what I got to student? No house, Yeah that's what 1:47:12.400 --> 1:47:17.920 that's Yeah, that's how she get paid for I mean technically, yeah, yeah, 1:47:17.960 --> 1:47:20.120 on some way. So you know, I'm just speaking to 1:47:20.160 --> 1:47:21.280 me right now because I got to sit there at 1:47:21.280 --> 1:47:23.799 my house and I don't use it talk. Warren Campbell 1:47:23.800 --> 1:47:26.320 told me. Say it again. Warren Campbell told me, Warren 1:47:26.360 --> 1:47:29.759 Campbell told me that's a T shirt. If you artist, 1:47:30.160 --> 1:47:32.640 your job is to record every day. When he told me, 1:47:32.680 --> 1:47:35.360 that changed my life because I'm like, what else I 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:38.599 rather I'm not driving a fork lift. Respectfully, I'm not. 1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:41.240 I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not the you know, 1:47:41.320 --> 1:47:45.240 you want to know work, the the it was a 1:47:45.280 --> 1:47:47.840 blackout in my neighborhood and the electricians that I got 1:47:47.880 --> 1:47:51.440 to climb on that thing with kids at home. That's work. 1:47:50.960 --> 1:47:53.880 That's work writing a song, whether I like it or not, 1:47:53.960 --> 1:47:55.880 because everything I write ain't good. Most of it is 1:47:55.920 --> 1:47:58.479 not good. But I get it out every day. You 1:47:58.560 --> 1:48:01.000 know what I'm saying. You know, you know? And I 1:48:01.000 --> 1:48:02.920 got different buttons from my work, like I know if 1:48:02.960 --> 1:48:06.679 I'm going into it, No, I don't have those buttons 1:48:06.680 --> 1:48:10.600 no more. I don't have no expectations, no more. Yeah. 1:48:10.640 --> 1:48:11.479 But it's also like. 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:16.719 It's how I tell people when it comes to fitness, 1:48:18.080 --> 1:48:21.120 and they're like, well, how do you always stay in shape? 1:48:21.120 --> 1:48:23.639 Like what do you do? What's your regimen? I said, 1:48:23.680 --> 1:48:26.360 My regimen is something? What do you mean by something? 1:48:27.080 --> 1:48:30.600 Every day? I do something something right. It don't have 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:35.040 to be the most strenuous thing or I don't have 1:48:35.080 --> 1:48:39.040 to lift the whole gym, but some did something. I 1:48:39.200 --> 1:48:42.800 do something. I'm struggling with that. I'm struggling with that, 1:48:42.880 --> 1:48:45.599 the workout thing because because I'm that's just a real 1:48:45.640 --> 1:48:47.720 thing in my life because my father, I just know 1:48:47.720 --> 1:48:49.879 what health is and how important it is and everything. 1:48:49.920 --> 1:48:53.040 But I always struggle with like working out and then stopping. 1:48:53.080 --> 1:48:56.280 But right now I've been really meditating and just chanting, 1:48:56.320 --> 1:48:58.400 trying to just like like I'm going to I want 1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:02.000 to fall in love working out about deals in music. 1:49:02.280 --> 1:49:03.960 I want to fall in love with it, because I 1:49:03.960 --> 1:49:06.200 think that's like it's it's kind of weird for me 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:08.800 to keep being his music guy and not be in 1:49:08.840 --> 1:49:11.080 loving all the My health is fine, but really I 1:49:11.120 --> 1:49:14.120 think if I'm helping people to clearn the music, I 1:49:14.120 --> 1:49:16.559 got to help the whole ring of things. Because the 1:49:16.600 --> 1:49:18.280 doctor said, man, my dad would have been there five 1:49:18.360 --> 1:49:20.000 years ago. The only thing I say to him is 1:49:20.000 --> 1:49:25.640 his core, the core, the core, the core, and I 1:49:25.720 --> 1:49:27.680 never will forget. My dad used to be like, you 1:49:27.680 --> 1:49:31.120 better some crunches, you fat motherfucker, so squatch or something. Boy, 1:49:31.920 --> 1:49:34.960 he lived five more years because yeah, it's healthy. It 1:49:35.000 --> 1:49:37.360 was like even when I mean, he was so strong 1:49:37.960 --> 1:49:39.960 from every day. He died at seventy six, so he 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:42.880 stopped working out at like seventy right when he got 1:49:42.920 --> 1:49:45.200 real sick. But every day, man, he was for real, 1:49:45.280 --> 1:49:47.519 like doing something three times a day, squad. Like my 1:49:47.640 --> 1:49:50.519 earliest memory is listening to him listening to Cold Train 1:49:51.080 --> 1:49:55.000 with a forty five pounds weight and doing squats ore burpies, 1:49:55.240 --> 1:49:58.320 burpies squats and then practicing the drums. It never was. 1:49:58.400 --> 1:50:01.439 It never was health without music in my in my life. 1:50:01.479 --> 1:50:04.280 You know, I think I got that ship from hanging out, 1:50:05.840 --> 1:50:08.160 you know what I'm saying. But yeah, the hell thing 1:50:08.240 --> 1:50:09.960 is real, like the food thing is real. Like that 1:50:09.960 --> 1:50:13.000 ship is so real. You know what I'm saying. You 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:17.639 get your blood work, yeah, okay, yeah, your blood work. 1:50:19.920 --> 1:50:22.720 Some late night drinks, some stress, the musical nights, some 1:50:22.800 --> 1:50:26.360 tequilas hanging make you drink a lot of water. Make 1:50:26.360 --> 1:50:31.240 sure you eat. You gotta eat, because what do you eat? 1:50:32.680 --> 1:50:34.519 You got to carry around like a steak with nose 1:50:34.680 --> 1:50:40.720 with pepper on it. Carry it around though. You got 1:50:40.720 --> 1:50:43.400 a ziplock in my back pocket. Yeah, are you that 1:50:43.479 --> 1:50:47.800 guy that it's like I'm weighing the broccoli. No, it's not. 1:50:47.920 --> 1:50:50.040 He just does the work. Most duders are safe, don't. 1:50:50.040 --> 1:50:52.920 They eat burgers and everything. But I perceive I don't eat. 1:50:52.960 --> 1:50:56.120 I don't eat like I'm a moderation guy. 1:50:55.840 --> 1:50:56.040 Yeah. 1:50:56.920 --> 1:51:00.599 So, I mean the fancy term is poor in control, 1:51:00.720 --> 1:51:05.000 but that's that's not really what I do. I just don't. 1:51:05.800 --> 1:51:08.280 I just don't eat a lot of food naturally. So 1:51:08.320 --> 1:51:12.519 for me, with the work that I do, I actually 1:51:12.560 --> 1:51:16.280 should be eating more food. Wow, but it's hard for 1:51:16.320 --> 1:51:18.200 me to. I just had to just program them. Just 1:51:18.200 --> 1:51:21.200 worried that way to not eat more food. But I 1:51:21.320 --> 1:51:22.000 have my snacks. 1:51:22.479 --> 1:51:23.200 But you grew up. 1:51:23.760 --> 1:51:29.559 Yeah, plus because because it's like plus it was a 1:51:29.600 --> 1:51:33.599 balance for me. I wanted to play football and play 1:51:33.640 --> 1:51:34.439 for three churches. 1:51:35.200 --> 1:51:38.320 See you know what I'm saying. So so that tells 1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:41.800 me he just he wanted all. I mean, well at 1:51:41.800 --> 1:51:43.880 that time, I was you know, the Lord was first. 1:51:43.920 --> 1:51:49.240 I wasn't you know, I wasn't really about that n 1:51:49.280 --> 1:51:55.120 PC earlier. It gives you a different different level respectfully. 1:51:55.840 --> 1:51:57.479 You know a lot of guys be you know, they 1:51:57.479 --> 1:52:00.720 get intimidated by the athletes and everything. Like like a 1:52:00.760 --> 1:52:02.559 lot a lot of guys, I know you don't understand. 1:52:02.600 --> 1:52:04.960 We don't. I don't get that yet, but it's a 1:52:05.000 --> 1:52:09.000 real thing for I've always I remember just hanging out 1:52:09.000 --> 1:52:13.160 with a gang homegirls back in the day, and one 1:52:13.160 --> 1:52:16.040 homegirl let me know, she said, she's so cool because 1:52:16.040 --> 1:52:20.360 you just be making me laugh. I said, oh, just 1:52:20.600 --> 1:52:21.600 be a listener. 1:52:21.520 --> 1:52:27.000 And just hey, man, I started writing the secrets. 1:52:28.240 --> 1:52:30.160 Man, I start writing songs because you know, and I 1:52:30.600 --> 1:52:32.680 grew I love women. I grew up you know, my 1:52:32.720 --> 1:52:37.519 Mama raised me daughters. I love a woman. I respect 1:52:37.560 --> 1:52:40.240 the woman. I think women are the most powerful human 1:52:40.280 --> 1:52:42.160 beings on this earth. I think that the woman is 1:52:42.200 --> 1:52:44.080 so powerful. So I love them all the way. So 1:52:44.120 --> 1:52:46.800 I've always loved just to be connected with women. I 1:52:46.840 --> 1:52:49.559 love the point of views that I learned so much 1:52:49.560 --> 1:52:52.200 from them. So like I was always I always had 1:52:52.200 --> 1:52:54.760 a lot of homegirls, you know what I'm saying, And 1:52:56.080 --> 1:52:57.640 you know, I just used to learn so much. That's 1:52:57.640 --> 1:52:59.519 why I was writing certain kind of music like they was. 1:52:59.720 --> 1:53:02.479 I sit down listen to my homegirls talk, and they 1:53:02.520 --> 1:53:04.960 always say, Man, you know, dude, don't listen, don't listen, 1:53:04.960 --> 1:53:07.080 don't listen, don't listen. I said, all we just got 1:53:07.080 --> 1:53:09.280 to write a hundred songs about listening, right. 1:53:09.680 --> 1:53:13.280 No, Because the other part about it is, as they say, 1:53:13.320 --> 1:53:17.240 the gift will open the doors right, all doors the 1:53:17.280 --> 1:53:20.920 doors right. But there's something about and I talk about 1:53:20.920 --> 1:53:25.439 this here and there, there's something about magic. This thing 1:53:25.479 --> 1:53:29.639 that we do is magic. Jumping from the free throw 1:53:29.680 --> 1:53:32.680 line really ain't magic. I listen all due respect, catch 1:53:32.760 --> 1:53:33.240 the touchdown. 1:53:33.240 --> 1:53:36.760 I get it. I respect it. I respect it. You 1:53:36.800 --> 1:53:37.400 can learn that. 1:53:37.520 --> 1:53:41.320 You can learn that. You can't learn this type of magic. 1:53:41.880 --> 1:53:46.639 You can learn trickery because that's being that's a magic, 1:53:47.520 --> 1:53:51.599 smoking mirrors, that's that's that's trickery. With all due respect, 1:53:52.439 --> 1:53:56.200 this thing is not trickery. No, it's either you know 1:53:56.240 --> 1:53:59.479 how to grab it out the sky. You've opened up 1:53:59.520 --> 1:54:03.280 your porter, talk to talk. Are you having That's it, 1:54:04.120 --> 1:54:06.200 and that does and that has nothing to do with 1:54:06.200 --> 1:54:10.719 with a hit record. It's a feeling. I can sing 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:13.360 something to you or write or play you something that 1:54:13.439 --> 1:54:16.200 I wrote that evokes feeling. 1:54:17.080 --> 1:54:22.400 I got you. Listen. He just said that whole crowd 1:54:23.320 --> 1:54:25.639 and Eric Roberson is magic, He's. 1:54:26.240 --> 1:54:32.000 I saw Eric Robertson at Howard University as a kid 1:54:32.000 --> 1:54:35.280 in high school and me, I'm the you know, I'm 1:54:35.280 --> 1:54:38.720 the vocal gymnast. I got all, I got all that, 1:54:38.800 --> 1:54:41.080 you know what I'm saying. And they keep talking about 1:54:41.080 --> 1:54:46.920 this Eric Robson. Okay, he probably cool. And I watched 1:54:47.000 --> 1:54:49.960 him play and sing. 1:54:50.240 --> 1:54:54.720 I don't think he had no shoes on. And he 1:54:54.880 --> 1:54:59.440 wasn't doing he wasn't doing all that ship I was doing. Yeah, 1:55:00.000 --> 1:55:01.200 I'm doing all that. 1:55:03.000 --> 1:55:09.360 He was in their souls focused and I'm looking at 1:55:09.400 --> 1:55:13.040 him like, oh. 1:55:12.760 --> 1:55:19.960 You what you're doing? You are? I need that in 1:55:20.080 --> 1:55:22.680 that bag. When I saw the whole crowd sun dresses, 1:55:22.760 --> 1:55:27.600 get the dance, I said, I need to make a subject. 1:55:29.920 --> 1:55:32.400 Ain'ted some covers and he's arranged. I'm like, he giving 1:55:32.400 --> 1:55:33.560 a show. He's a monster. 1:55:34.560 --> 1:55:37.160 You don't want to come behind him as well. He 1:55:37.240 --> 1:55:40.560 knows his gift, he knows what he got the millions 1:55:40.560 --> 1:55:43.520 on that one song. You don't want to go behind there, Robinson. 1:55:43.360 --> 1:55:48.280 Show because in this music thing, as it relates to people, 1:55:49.640 --> 1:55:53.200 there's no contract you can look up because the contract 1:55:53.200 --> 1:55:57.960 don't matter. I don't care what Kendrick Lamar makes other 1:55:58.000 --> 1:56:00.400 than the music that he makes. I don't care about 1:56:00.400 --> 1:56:03.960 the money that he makes from it. I don't care 1:56:04.520 --> 1:56:08.840 that Prince didn't own his masters in the beginning. It 1:56:08.920 --> 1:56:12.760 didn't matter because when Purple Rain came on, Jesus Christ, 1:56:13.280 --> 1:56:16.080 when Darling Nicky came on, you better talk that talk, 1:56:17.000 --> 1:56:19.280 you know what I'm saying, Like, let's let's be let's 1:56:19.320 --> 1:56:20.600 be real with this thing. 1:56:20.720 --> 1:56:20.880 Man. 1:56:20.920 --> 1:56:25.680 When Sexual Healing came on, I go, there's no way 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:30.120 I'm not googling the contract that was connected to it, 1:56:31.440 --> 1:56:34.480 and that to me is what is the true separator 1:56:34.600 --> 1:56:37.360 of music in any other industry. 1:56:37.680 --> 1:56:40.040 Yeah, yeah, and you need some records and. 1:56:40.040 --> 1:56:44.120 They're trying because what they're trying to do is put 1:56:44.120 --> 1:56:48.120 that on top of what this music thing is. Well, 1:56:48.120 --> 1:56:51.040 how many records did he sell it? And listen, between 1:56:51.080 --> 1:56:54.360 the three of us, we got that part. We sold 1:56:54.400 --> 1:56:55.080 a lot of records. 1:56:55.600 --> 1:56:57.280 We've made some good money doing this thing. 1:56:58.360 --> 1:57:00.280 That has nothing to do with the respect that we 1:57:00.360 --> 1:57:04.280 all have for each other of the music that we've created. 1:57:05.000 --> 1:57:08.600 Way different. It's way different. That's true. That's way different. 1:57:09.640 --> 1:57:10.520 It's magic. 1:57:10.560 --> 1:57:14.400 Like you said earlier, it's magic, bro absolutely magic, and 1:57:14.440 --> 1:57:16.960 I thank God every day that I can create magic. 1:57:17.840 --> 1:57:19.480 I mean the add to that, I'm even thinking of 1:57:21.320 --> 1:57:30.360 the past past, maybe five six years. A lot of 1:57:30.480 --> 1:57:32.480 artists I've noticed a lot of younger artists, they go 1:57:32.600 --> 1:57:35.440 in and they do the worst. A lot of them 1:57:35.440 --> 1:57:38.800 I've worked with. They they go in and do some 1:57:38.840 --> 1:57:41.480 of the worst mistakes, which is going in trying to 1:57:41.480 --> 1:57:45.000 create the hit, trying to create the hit. And I 1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:47.400 always I always try to tell the cats, you know, 1:57:47.440 --> 1:57:51.200 when you try to create the hit, for me personally 1:57:51.440 --> 1:57:54.960 my opinion, some people got the power to say boom, 1:57:55.000 --> 1:57:59.320 it's a hit. I bless them. Yeah yeah, but I 1:57:59.320 --> 1:58:05.080 feel like some of about trying to create something that's 1:58:05.120 --> 1:58:09.280 not in your control. It's like a mind fuck and 1:58:09.280 --> 1:58:12.240 it kills all the positive frequencies out the whole session 1:58:12.800 --> 1:58:16.280 because your name and records that were big records, but 1:58:16.320 --> 1:58:18.280 they're not like they're not like us not, but we 1:58:18.640 --> 1:58:20.440 know a lot of big Like I was thinking about 1:58:20.560 --> 1:58:24.200 what's the b side the the Bobby Callwell, now what 1:58:24.200 --> 1:58:30.040 you're gonna do for love? Uh? Not? The one common sample, 1:58:31.920 --> 1:58:36.120 the one biggie sample. It's not the light, it's not 1:58:36.200 --> 1:58:36.879 what you want. 1:58:39.040 --> 1:58:41.640 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the biggest sample. 1:58:41.760 --> 1:58:46.080 Right. So I remember, I'm young, a kid, but I 1:58:46.080 --> 1:58:47.800 grew up in a household of mute. I remember when 1:58:47.840 --> 1:58:51.680 Bobby Calwell was was a thing you thought there or 1:58:51.720 --> 1:58:53.240 did you not know or did you know because of 1:58:53.440 --> 1:58:57.400 the cover, nobody knew. Nobody knew, and if somebody said 1:58:57.400 --> 1:58:59.360 they did, they lie, it's impossible that was. I talked 1:58:59.360 --> 1:59:03.240 to him. I talked to him, and I know him, 1:59:03.280 --> 1:59:05.600 I knew him, and nobody knew. That was why he 1:59:05.640 --> 1:59:08.320 was so soulful. They didn't want nobody fucking know he's 1:59:08.320 --> 1:59:10.200 so you know he was, he didn't got so many 1:59:10.200 --> 1:59:12.120 black folks married. He's getting it off. You know what 1:59:12.160 --> 1:59:14.840 I'm saying. Love but that But this song is like 1:59:14.880 --> 1:59:17.720 to me a culture, a love song. It's so powerful. 1:59:17.720 --> 1:59:21.520 It's like, but it wasn't the top ten, right, but 1:59:21.560 --> 1:59:27.480 it's powerful when you listen to Faith Evans Caramel Kisses 1:59:29.440 --> 1:59:31.200 on the top ten. But guess what when it comes 1:59:31.280 --> 1:59:37.320 on as soon as I get home, chop ten for 1:59:37.440 --> 1:59:40.560 us for magic though, first of all, that's that's that's 1:59:40.640 --> 1:59:46.360 elerent me. The Faith Evans is she is like I don't. 1:59:46.160 --> 1:59:47.760 Know, I had to Catt. I got the cassette as 1:59:47.760 --> 1:59:50.720 a gift. That's how much I loved her. I got 1:59:50.720 --> 1:59:51.560 it as a gift. 1:59:51.920 --> 1:59:53.880 She's the only when I still get starstruck to be around. 1:59:53.920 --> 1:59:54.800 I still I just. 1:59:54.760 --> 1:59:57.760 Remember Faith looking so angelic on all of her covers. 1:59:59.320 --> 2:00:04.520 She had just a different tone, different, just like just 2:00:04.640 --> 2:00:05.400 like she's shining. 2:00:05.560 --> 2:00:07.920 She was every she was everything for me. But them 2:00:07.920 --> 2:00:11.360 songs felt you felt, you felt like we get we 2:00:11.440 --> 2:00:14.600 got to know her through them songs like without even 2:00:14.640 --> 2:00:16.800 mean her. I felt her story through them songs like 2:00:16.840 --> 2:00:19.760 I grew up with that, So I grew up with homegirls, 2:00:19.760 --> 2:00:22.920 with aunties, with women, you know, like that was man. 2:00:23.800 --> 2:00:26.200 I try to see people and I and I try 2:00:26.240 --> 2:00:28.920 to give them a bit of normalcy because I know 2:00:28.960 --> 2:00:32.240 that they've been you know, everywhere they go it's fans. 2:00:32.240 --> 2:00:35.120 It's fans fans, and you know, then they run into 2:00:35.160 --> 2:00:36.280 me and it's one more fans. 2:00:36.360 --> 2:00:39.520 I try to I try to give them a little bit. 2:00:39.800 --> 2:00:41.280 It was like, you good, you know what I'm saying. 2:00:41.720 --> 2:00:43.480 How how's the family? You know? 2:00:43.840 --> 2:00:47.520 Try to well, really, I want to be like man, 2:00:47.840 --> 2:00:49.240 I just want to shake your head. 2:00:50.960 --> 2:00:52.800 For some reason, when I see Faith, I try to 2:00:52.800 --> 2:00:55.160 get regular, but I think I always say some stupid 2:00:55.200 --> 2:01:01.200 ship like I don't know, you know, I'm such a fan. 2:01:01.520 --> 2:01:06.440 Her something bro everything, man, everything. Let me let me 2:01:06.480 --> 2:01:07.920 get Let me get one one thing from you. 2:01:08.040 --> 2:01:08.560 Let me get it. 2:01:09.600 --> 2:01:13.080 What would you one piece of advice that you would 2:01:13.120 --> 2:01:18.120 tell that you would tell a super musician who wants 2:01:18.160 --> 2:01:21.800 to do, who wants to produce? How would you tell 2:01:21.880 --> 2:01:25.720 him in terms of making that transition about. 2:01:25.440 --> 2:01:28.560 Asking him what is the end go? Why does he 2:01:28.600 --> 2:01:30.920 want to produce? He said, I wanted to make music 2:01:31.000 --> 2:01:33.800 want to make music. It's the whole thing. I gotta 2:01:33.800 --> 2:01:37.680 ask him. But but I'll tell you this if at 2:01:37.680 --> 2:01:40.560 the end of the day, my questions will be, are 2:01:40.560 --> 2:01:43.080 you here to make music, to make a mark in 2:01:43.120 --> 2:01:47.040 whatever blessings come from that you take, whatever down falls 2:01:47.040 --> 2:01:48.440 you take to or are you here to come with it. 2:01:48.920 --> 2:01:51.760 I'm coming to get this bread because if you come 2:01:51.800 --> 2:01:53.200 and get this bread, I can tell you I do 2:01:53.200 --> 2:01:56.000 that too. I know the guy's gonna talk to too. 2:01:57.280 --> 2:01:59.840 It's a thing. It's the thing that I don't like 2:01:59.840 --> 2:02:01.080 that tell people how to do it, but it does. 2:02:01.320 --> 2:02:03.360 It's the thing, you know, and you have to sacrifice 2:02:03.360 --> 2:02:06.720 so much of who you are financially, business wise and 2:02:06.720 --> 2:02:08.800 everything if you want to go straight to it in 2:02:08.800 --> 2:02:12.400 my experience, but if you're here to make a mark 2:02:12.680 --> 2:02:16.400 and just right you know, the massive teacher Roy Hargove 2:02:16.560 --> 2:02:18.720 to say this, this is one of the only business music. 2:02:19.040 --> 2:02:20.880 You got to give music one hundred and fifty percent 2:02:20.840 --> 2:02:23.640 and hopefully you'll get back fifteen percent. You know what 2:02:23.640 --> 2:02:26.520 I'm saying. So if you on that journey, and this 2:02:26.560 --> 2:02:27.800 is the journey you want to be on, I got 2:02:27.840 --> 2:02:30.440 some things I could definitely tell you, which is love, 2:02:30.480 --> 2:02:34.600 it all, and you know, you gotta it's so dark 2:02:34.760 --> 2:02:37.280 when I say this, but it's not. But you gotta 2:02:37.840 --> 2:02:39.960 find a weird way to fall in love with the 2:02:39.960 --> 2:02:42.720 pit falls just like the success. And you got to 2:02:42.880 --> 2:02:44.960 get to be safe. You got to acknowledge when you 2:02:45.040 --> 2:02:47.920 win andcknowledge things. But you got to kind of keep 2:02:48.040 --> 2:02:50.160 a steady pace going on because this game is so 2:02:50.200 --> 2:02:53.720 many valleys. You know, I've been this. I'm third generation this. 2:02:54.080 --> 2:02:55.960 So I grew up all publishing. I grew up when 2:02:56.000 --> 2:02:58.160 crack came in. We lived in a hotel. I've grew 2:02:58.240 --> 2:03:01.240 up in a popular era. This I know all. I'm 2:03:01.280 --> 2:03:05.320 a child that grew up in a record business household, 2:03:06.120 --> 2:03:09.520 so you know. And I don't have other I do 2:03:09.600 --> 2:03:12.480 music for a living. I don't have the ten apartment 2:03:12.520 --> 2:03:17.800 buildings over there. I don't I do music. I'm a 2:03:18.000 --> 2:03:20.800 I'm a real creator. I'm gonna die doing this. That's 2:03:20.840 --> 2:03:23.200 what he said. I'm here to do. I can't fit 2:03:23.200 --> 2:03:25.040 into no other mode. I could love everything. This is 2:03:25.080 --> 2:03:27.520 what I'm gonna do. But if you on that real question, 2:03:27.960 --> 2:03:30.160 you you got to fall in love with every aspect 2:03:30.200 --> 2:03:32.200 of it. You got to fall in love at every 2:03:32.280 --> 2:03:34.480 aspect of it, because that's the only way you're gonna 2:03:34.520 --> 2:03:36.920 develop that thing, to stay focused on that art thing, 2:03:37.960 --> 2:03:40.160 you know, once you start bringing the emotions to the values. 2:03:40.280 --> 2:03:42.360 Because it's rough, especially when you ain't got the rent 2:03:42.360 --> 2:03:45.720 money and it's bad. You got kids and everybody calling 2:03:45.760 --> 2:03:48.320 because it's rough and nobody it's hard to get money 2:03:48.360 --> 2:03:50.920 for everybody. So even the person calling pressing for money 2:03:51.000 --> 2:03:52.640 is not they want to press you. It's just fucked 2:03:52.720 --> 2:03:55.320 up for them. Y'all. Now, y'all arguing in this, but 2:03:55.360 --> 2:03:59.040 it's all no, it's all this, it's all these things. 2:03:59.480 --> 2:04:02.240 It's all these things that that go down. Why why 2:04:02.320 --> 2:04:04.800 you're creative because you don't make a lot of money 2:04:04.840 --> 2:04:07.760 when you're gambling on yourself in the beginning or whenever, 2:04:07.880 --> 2:04:11.360 you know, I'm so much, I'm such a I want 2:04:11.360 --> 2:04:14.680 to drop myself so much from my own company because 2:04:14.680 --> 2:04:17.920 I keep getting I love I love the music artists 2:04:17.960 --> 2:04:22.760 to come from the label, you know. But I would 2:04:22.800 --> 2:04:24.600 tell a man fall in love with everything and learn 2:04:24.600 --> 2:04:26.360 as much as you can and just be in love 2:04:26.680 --> 2:04:29.520 and just be in love with it, man, just fall 2:04:29.560 --> 2:04:32.240 in love with it, you know. And it's hard to 2:04:32.360 --> 2:04:34.600 fall in love because people get the business confused with 2:04:34.640 --> 2:04:38.720 the art. It's not the same thing. You know. The 2:04:38.760 --> 2:04:42.440 business is the business. You know. You know people people 2:04:42.600 --> 2:04:44.800 people do business where it works out for them. I mean, 2:04:44.880 --> 2:04:47.160 how it the name of businesses. I gotta protect me 2:04:47.200 --> 2:04:49.800 and my family no matter what. It is, just business, 2:04:49.840 --> 2:04:51.920 you know, So don't be scared of that ship. I 2:04:51.920 --> 2:04:54.800 do business all the time. I called you to clear out, 2:04:54.800 --> 2:04:57.360 you know, I'm I'm I'm doing business because I'm like, 2:04:57.400 --> 2:04:59.680 that's how we're gonna eat, That's how we're gonna live, 2:04:59.680 --> 2:05:02.120 That's how we're gonna party and see each other later 2:05:02.160 --> 2:05:03.480 on and not be weird when we see each other 2:05:03.520 --> 2:05:05.960 in the mall. Because the business is cool. The business 2:05:06.080 --> 2:05:08.160 has to be cool. The business. You got to focus 2:05:08.200 --> 2:05:10.920 on business too. And it's a few ways you could 2:05:10.920 --> 2:05:13.280 focus on business. You could go get the book like 2:05:13.320 --> 2:05:19.560 everybody was teacher ever, go go get the book. Or 2:05:19.640 --> 2:05:21.680 you could build your own book and run your own race. 2:05:23.120 --> 2:05:26.800 Because certain books that's written about this business are based 2:05:26.800 --> 2:05:31.480 off certain views things are done. My journey is completely different. 2:05:32.000 --> 2:05:34.720 So my journey doesn't. It hadn't fit in any book yet. 2:05:34.760 --> 2:05:39.600 I haven't read my journey yet. It's so weird, Like, yeah, 2:05:39.680 --> 2:05:43.080 you know, it's so it's like you gotta get in, 2:05:43.120 --> 2:05:45.360 you gotta dive in, and you can't be diving. You 2:05:45.440 --> 2:05:48.040 got to dive in. But let me be clear though, 2:05:48.040 --> 2:05:51.720 because all motherfuckers be you know. It's just it's it's 2:05:51.760 --> 2:05:56.160 so tricky, man, because you know, I see so many 2:05:56.160 --> 2:05:59.800 other most talented people make the craziest mistakes. Like I 2:06:00.000 --> 2:06:02.440 always tell people, like my job for years, I feel 2:06:02.640 --> 2:06:04.760 the creator got me here to where when I meet 2:06:04.760 --> 2:06:06.840 a young artist, I be friend of doing music with them. 2:06:06.840 --> 2:06:08.480 And it's been a couple that I've had to call 2:06:08.520 --> 2:06:10.920 their parents like you should come get your baby. I 2:06:10.960 --> 2:06:14.120 would come get my baby because LA getting to them 2:06:14.120 --> 2:06:16.400 in a different kind of way. It ain't my business, 2:06:16.400 --> 2:06:18.120 say how but you need to come and get your baby. 2:06:19.240 --> 2:06:21.000 Two ways. A kid gonna come out here with a dream, 2:06:21.000 --> 2:06:24.320 they gonna make it. They're gonna go back home, or 2:06:24.320 --> 2:06:27.840 they gonna die broken heart. That's Los Angeles. That's the 2:06:27.960 --> 2:06:30.920 entertainment business. That's what I've seen. That's just what i've seen. 2:06:30.920 --> 2:06:33.080 I could be wrong, you know what I mean. So 2:06:33.160 --> 2:06:35.440 it's like having that head, having that spirit right, making 2:06:35.440 --> 2:06:37.920 sure you when you in line with your folks, like 2:06:38.080 --> 2:06:40.360 making sure you're in line with your family members, your 2:06:40.360 --> 2:06:42.520 mom and your daddy if they're still here. Just making 2:06:42.520 --> 2:06:44.560 sure you align with people that got the truth. People 2:06:44.600 --> 2:06:46.840 that's praying for you, loving you. If you're gonna be 2:06:46.880 --> 2:06:50.640 in this game, like it's it's a real game, you know. 2:06:51.200 --> 2:06:53.320 I don't call it bad, I don't call it good. 2:06:53.360 --> 2:06:55.960 I call it the ball game. And I made a 2:06:55.960 --> 2:06:58.600 conscious decision to be a part of this, you know, 2:06:58.680 --> 2:07:02.200 So I take whatever with this. But that's that's kind 2:07:02.200 --> 2:07:03.840 of that was my view on the streets though, I 2:07:03.880 --> 2:07:05.480 take with that. And this is much safer than the 2:07:05.520 --> 2:07:08.320 streets for me. When I hear rappers saying the rappers 2:07:08.440 --> 2:07:11.920 David's job, man, shut the fuck up, you talking ship 2:07:12.000 --> 2:07:15.080 getting chased. You, shut the fuck up. You can go home. 2:07:15.800 --> 2:07:17.480 You know what I'm saying. You know that, and not 2:07:17.520 --> 2:07:21.040 could be sensitive some but you know, you know I'm 2:07:21.080 --> 2:07:24.280 from that thing. So I just get let's get home, 2:07:25.000 --> 2:07:27.160 you know. But we gotta respect this ball game. I 2:07:27.160 --> 2:07:30.720 would tell I would tell all these things, like and 2:07:30.880 --> 2:07:33.920 just do good music. If you're good, we'll hear about you. 2:07:34.360 --> 2:07:37.160 We always do it, don't we. We always hear about him. Again. 2:07:40.560 --> 2:07:43.800 I remember hit Boy, and when I first saw hit Boy. 2:07:44.560 --> 2:07:52.560 Uh uh. Paulo to Don, Pollo to Don. He was 2:07:52.600 --> 2:07:54.880 in l A for a while, and Paulo's like, man, 2:07:54.880 --> 2:07:56.760 I really want to work with Snoop. And I was like, 2:07:56.760 --> 2:07:59.280 all right, let me let me ship. I'm gonna bring 2:07:59.360 --> 2:08:01.440 him by the studio. Could press play, I'm bringing bad 2:08:02.320 --> 2:08:04.080 So I go pick up Snoopy, go see Paulo and 2:08:04.120 --> 2:08:06.920 donnad record plant. He playing these beats. I'm like, oh, 2:08:06.920 --> 2:08:10.240 he played when that's a monster. Everybody bobbing their head. 2:08:10.680 --> 2:08:13.240 But I see this little kid in the back, a 2:08:13.320 --> 2:08:16.760 little kid, a teenager kid, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, Loo, 2:08:16.760 --> 2:08:21.040 get headphones. He ain't saying nothing. Years later, he said, hey, bro, 2:08:21.120 --> 2:08:24.120 remember that studio session, follow Don. That was my beating. 2:08:24.160 --> 2:08:26.600 That was me in the back. And I said, man, 2:08:26.600 --> 2:08:28.240 I'm glad I was nice to you because you are 2:08:28.280 --> 2:08:32.160 a monster. God, I'm glad I'm on the other side 2:08:32.160 --> 2:08:36.800 of you, because you are a monster. Hit Boy a monster. 2:08:36.960 --> 2:08:40.120 He is a monster. You see what he's doing with 2:08:40.160 --> 2:08:43.880 his father. That's that's the human. That's that's that's the part, 2:08:44.320 --> 2:08:47.840 that's that's that's the trophy that the game won't give you. 2:08:48.520 --> 2:08:50.800 But that's the trophy that the universe and the creator 2:08:50.800 --> 2:08:53.000 will give you that that that's the thing that after 2:08:53.040 --> 2:08:55.960 the game is washed up with you in all this situation, 2:08:56.480 --> 2:08:58.840 we all gotta go home and be along. We all, 2:08:58.880 --> 2:09:00.840 we all got to pay the pipe, good or bad, 2:09:00.840 --> 2:09:04.880 I ever gotta go. That's what you do. That's what 2:09:04.920 --> 2:09:10.280 you do to secure your family, your spirit, your touch. 2:09:10.400 --> 2:09:13.280 That's important this game. That's what you do to secure that. 2:09:13.320 --> 2:09:17.120 You don't listen to nobody else. You roll with your folks. Man. 2:09:17.160 --> 2:09:20.280 When my daddy finally got cancer, but I did so 2:09:20.280 --> 2:09:22.960 many records on him, all my records that grabbed me. 2:09:23.000 --> 2:09:25.920 Now everything Kendrick loses all my dad playing drums, I do. 2:09:27.080 --> 2:09:28.720 That's what you do. That's that's how you put in 2:09:28.720 --> 2:09:32.560 a stone for your babies. You know, your daughter sing, 2:09:33.760 --> 2:09:37.440 I got my oldest daughters, the beast, the beast. That's 2:09:37.440 --> 2:09:40.480 the beast. I thought, you know, I thought about that 2:09:40.680 --> 2:09:43.080 because that was me and my dad. Like we we 2:09:43.160 --> 2:09:46.000 bonded so much over music and recording together. You know 2:09:46.040 --> 2:09:50.320 what I'm saying. That's recording man, that's yeah, you know, 2:09:52.600 --> 2:09:58.760 I forgot what I'm talking about again. Up let me 2:09:58.760 --> 2:10:00.800 say this though, it's do what I want to talk 2:10:00.840 --> 2:10:03.680 about that. Nobody talks about him, but people talk about 2:10:03.720 --> 2:10:09.760 him with a certain era. His name is Reggie Andrews, 2:10:09.760 --> 2:10:12.960 the producer and writer for a group called the Dazz Band. 2:10:13.080 --> 2:10:17.880 Yeah Teacher, Yeah teacher, music teacher, a lot dh teacher 2:10:17.880 --> 2:10:24.080 that taught Patrise, Russian, Tyrese, Tyresse, a real Reggie baby. 2:10:24.080 --> 2:10:28.560 Shout out to Reese for always being on debt Tyrese, 2:10:28.920 --> 2:10:35.600 Jold Albright, Patrise, Russian, Kamasi, Washington, Terrace, Martin Thundercat, like 2:10:37.280 --> 2:10:40.320 Jay Swift from the Far Side, like his His list 2:10:40.360 --> 2:10:43.200 of successful artists that all could afford place to live 2:10:43.240 --> 2:10:45.040 on her own is huge, and that's a hard thing 2:10:45.080 --> 2:10:47.640 to do, you know. Shout out to Reggie Andrews because 2:10:47.680 --> 2:10:50.120 just deep I thought about this. So my father came 2:10:50.160 --> 2:10:53.960 to LA from New York in nineteen seventy four, and 2:10:54.040 --> 2:10:58.040 in New York in the seventies, in the early age, 2:10:58.040 --> 2:10:59.920 it was like, you get to LA, you got a 2:11:00.000 --> 2:11:02.280 find Reggie Andrews. He's a big producer. He gonna put 2:11:02.320 --> 2:11:05.920 you on. Reggie Andrews. My dad comes, everybody comes. Reggie 2:11:05.920 --> 2:11:07.920 so cracking. Nobody never finds him. He's in Holly, he's 2:11:07.960 --> 2:11:14.120 doing he's he's arranging, he's doing huge records producer and uh, 2:11:14.360 --> 2:11:16.480 it's just funny. I think about that story because Reggie 2:11:16.480 --> 2:11:18.280 so important to meet me and Thanny Cat always like 2:11:19.520 --> 2:11:23.120 without him, Without Reggie Andrews's no to pimper Butterfly. We 2:11:23.160 --> 2:11:25.800 started to pimp a Butterfly in Reggie's van in the nineties. 2:11:26.280 --> 2:11:29.440 That's when that record started. We started coming up with 2:11:29.520 --> 2:11:34.720 those weird, freaky, unorthodox, strange ideas because of Reggie, Andrews 2:11:34.720 --> 2:11:38.720 gave Thundercat myself all these different keys to unlocked doors 2:11:38.760 --> 2:11:41.000 in your brain, young black kids. So my father came 2:11:41.000 --> 2:11:43.000 out here to find Reggie and he never found him. 2:11:43.360 --> 2:11:45.960 And then ironically I go to I go to Santa Monica. Hi, 2:11:46.560 --> 2:11:48.560 I'm getting to a little trouble. I got kicked off 2:11:48.560 --> 2:11:51.560 for a fighting a gun case. They sat out a gun, right, 2:11:51.880 --> 2:11:53.840 So I go to JAM I come out of jail. 2:11:53.960 --> 2:11:56.320 I got I gotta change schools. There's no other school 2:11:56.320 --> 2:11:58.640 I could go. I'm playing. I'm playing saxophone though I'm 2:11:58.640 --> 2:12:01.560 on my shit. I'm but I'm selling guns at the time. 2:12:01.960 --> 2:12:04.320 I'm not robbing, I'm not killing it. I'm not a fighter. 2:12:04.360 --> 2:12:07.880 I'm a lover. I love making love and music. You know. 2:12:08.360 --> 2:12:10.480 You know what I'm saying. I'm just selling a gun. 2:12:10.640 --> 2:12:12.800 I'm not a punk, though, but I'm just selling a gun. 2:12:13.600 --> 2:12:15.520 And because I got to say that so it won't 2:12:15.560 --> 2:12:18.440 be this weird, because it ain't no when you're from 2:12:18.480 --> 2:12:20.000 the hood, like I mean, you ain't trying to be hard. 2:12:20.000 --> 2:12:21.600 That's regular, like you just trying to get some money. 2:12:21.600 --> 2:12:23.720 You ain't tripping like that. So it ain't the glorious 2:12:23.720 --> 2:12:25.320 hood story I'm giving you. I'm just trying to sell 2:12:25.320 --> 2:12:27.760 a gun. I got hemmed up, ended up, getting kicked 2:12:27.760 --> 2:12:30.000 out of the whole school district. I had nowhere to go, 2:12:30.040 --> 2:12:32.400 but I was excelling the music so high. All the 2:12:32.440 --> 2:12:34.320 district was hearing about me. But now I had this 2:12:34.800 --> 2:12:38.080 like this sixteen year old kid, a concealed loaded weapons 2:12:38.080 --> 2:12:41.160 following you, and I would tell you I have trauma. 2:12:41.160 --> 2:12:42.680 That's why I keep saying I was selling the gun. 2:12:42.760 --> 2:12:44.720 It still bothers me where I stay. I was only 2:12:44.760 --> 2:12:47.040 selling them, I wasn't. I don't hurt nobody. I'm not 2:12:47.040 --> 2:12:49.720 a gangster. I'm just hanging. You know, I just know 2:12:49.800 --> 2:12:51.920 the language. I just grew up around the guys. You 2:12:51.960 --> 2:12:54.240 know what I'm saying, I'm just doing music. But Reggie 2:12:54.280 --> 2:12:57.000 Andrews took a chance because the security man watch out 2:12:57.000 --> 2:12:59.680 guy work the security at Santa Monica High School name 2:12:59.680 --> 2:13:02.800 was mad Dog. Mad Dog was a drummer. I also 2:13:02.880 --> 2:13:04.680 knew my dad. I never knew this, but mad Dog 2:13:04.720 --> 2:13:06.600 was a drummer in La. He knew my dad. Mad 2:13:06.640 --> 2:13:10.480 Dog was best friends with Reggie Andrews and they had 2:13:10.480 --> 2:13:12.720 a little thing where Reggie would tap into all the 2:13:12.800 --> 2:13:15.320 high schools to see who's the young kids playing music. 2:13:15.320 --> 2:13:17.320 I need to get him to my school. I need 2:13:17.360 --> 2:13:18.960 to get him to my school. So mad Dog had 2:13:19.000 --> 2:13:22.000 been watching me and one day I never catch He said, hey, man, 2:13:22.520 --> 2:13:24.400 these folks out here don't understand you. Man, Man, you're 2:13:24.400 --> 2:13:26.840 gonna have to get to a real black school. And 2:13:26.880 --> 2:13:28.600 I was like, man, I'm going to crench Shaw because 2:13:28.600 --> 2:13:31.040 that's my school district. He said, Man. So I got 2:13:31.120 --> 2:13:34.400 kicked out. Mad Dog called my mom and said, my 2:13:34.400 --> 2:13:37.000 friend Reggie Andrews would like to take a meeting with you. 2:13:37.080 --> 2:13:39.360 He has a school that your son would excel in. 2:13:39.440 --> 2:13:42.000 And he could almost he saw his grades. He could 2:13:42.040 --> 2:13:45.520 almost guarantee almost Niggas was saying almost that he would 2:13:45.520 --> 2:13:47.880 get into a college, and that was a big deal 2:13:48.000 --> 2:13:50.480 then because it wasn't looking like I was going nowhere. 2:13:50.680 --> 2:13:53.000 I was just playing a horn and studying Cold Trane, 2:13:53.360 --> 2:13:55.600 having a kid young and trying to have other kids 2:13:55.640 --> 2:13:59.120 probably at that time. And so mad Dog's old Reggie Man, 2:13:59.160 --> 2:14:01.120 Reggie came to my mom and I remember sat down. 2:14:01.120 --> 2:14:03.360 My mom was like, so what you do. He was like, 2:14:04.240 --> 2:14:05.920 I know what to do with him. Like, I've seen 2:14:05.960 --> 2:14:08.760 his grades, I heard him play. Everybody talks say, he's 2:14:08.760 --> 2:14:10.600 a good kid. He's a little trouble. I know he's 2:14:10.600 --> 2:14:12.960 going through some trouble, you know, and he's had he's 2:14:12.960 --> 2:14:14.800 at a turning point in his like for he gonna 2:14:14.800 --> 2:14:17.320 either go here or he gonna go full fledged here. 2:14:17.840 --> 2:14:19.520 And in my head, I was never going to go 2:14:19.560 --> 2:14:21.360 full fledged here, but I probably would have went full 2:14:21.400 --> 2:14:23.800 fledged out of pure pressure of not wanting to be 2:14:23.880 --> 2:14:26.200 called weird or not want to be just not want 2:14:26.240 --> 2:14:27.960 to be not in the end crowd as a young 2:14:28.000 --> 2:14:29.920 black kid. That's I probably would have done some dumb 2:14:30.000 --> 2:14:32.960 shit like most, like most a lot of my friends didn't, 2:14:33.160 --> 2:14:35.400 you know. So I never wanted to be a street dude. 2:14:35.440 --> 2:14:37.640 So when Reggie got to me, my mom was like, 2:14:37.640 --> 2:14:40.240 what school you teach at? And when that nigga said 2:14:40.320 --> 2:14:43.320 Lock High. Now y'all don't know, do y'all research on 2:14:43.400 --> 2:14:45.800 lock High? Lock High? At this time? It's one of 2:14:45.960 --> 2:14:48.400 LA's crazy at school. This is like one of the 2:14:48.400 --> 2:14:51.240 first schools with the metal detect. This is like he's 2:14:51.920 --> 2:14:53.960 oh no, no, no, no. This is like they found 2:14:53.960 --> 2:14:55.560 a girl hanging from it. Like this is a whole. 2:14:56.080 --> 2:14:59.000 This is like we When he said Lock High, me 2:14:59.040 --> 2:15:00.720 and my mama say, I ain't going to lock Hall. 2:15:01.960 --> 2:15:03.720 I'm not going to lock Call. I ain't gotta go. 2:15:03.760 --> 2:15:06.040 I'll go to I ain't gotta go to Crenshaw, but 2:15:06.040 --> 2:15:07.960 I'm not going to Lot And he said hear me out. 2:15:08.040 --> 2:15:09.400 I mean, he broke it down, while I should go 2:15:09.440 --> 2:15:11.640 to lock Card. And the best thing I did in 2:15:11.680 --> 2:15:13.440 my life, man, was go to lock Card. That first 2:15:13.520 --> 2:15:17.400 day I went to that school, tenth grade. The first 2:15:17.480 --> 2:15:19.120 day I win. He said, the first day you went, 2:15:19.560 --> 2:15:23.280 we have to play. Bill Clint was was doing his run, 2:15:23.360 --> 2:15:24.920 trying to be a president, trying to be the president 2:15:24.960 --> 2:15:26.879 at the time he ended up being coming to President. 2:15:27.400 --> 2:15:29.640 Ty Reese was there. He had some brown leather boots. 2:15:29.640 --> 2:15:34.400 So then I got oh Man. Anyway, So Reggie Andrew. 2:15:34.480 --> 2:15:38.640 So the first gig, Brandy's there, Reggie has me there. 2:15:38.720 --> 2:15:41.440 It's a big band and it's with Wayne Shorter. And 2:15:41.480 --> 2:15:44.640 this is the first time I'm seeing Kemasi Washington, the 2:15:44.680 --> 2:15:47.080 first time I'm seeing done that. The first time I'm 2:15:47.120 --> 2:15:49.440 seeing really an NPC is at Lock High School. Because 2:15:49.440 --> 2:15:52.520 Reggie was building a crew of he knew what he 2:15:52.560 --> 2:15:55.360 was doing, and all of us went to colleges. It 2:15:55.400 --> 2:15:58.520 ain't one dummy off the crew. Camasi at u c 2:15:58.720 --> 2:16:00.360 l A. I went to cal Arts and you seet 2:16:00.400 --> 2:16:02.320 Ronald Cayle Larks though the only one did go to 2:16:02.360 --> 2:16:03.840 school because he was he didn't. He was already with 2:16:03.920 --> 2:16:06.160 Eric about doing doing all the records with thunder Cat, 2:16:06.200 --> 2:16:08.320 but everybody had options to go to. He made sure 2:16:08.360 --> 2:16:10.760 our grades was up and the musical he was up. 2:16:10.760 --> 2:16:14.840 He would do things like, uh, terrors, you want to 2:16:14.880 --> 2:16:17.280 do this shit for real? He like, Okay, I'm gonna 2:16:17.280 --> 2:16:18.760 take you on a field trip. We're going to Tyree's 2:16:18.760 --> 2:16:23.000 house because Tyree's graduated two years before me. Right four, 2:16:23.080 --> 2:16:25.960 Me and respectful. First of all, we we love Tyree. 2:16:25.960 --> 2:16:27.800 I still love Reese. But we used to get sick 2:16:27.800 --> 2:16:30.120 here in Tyree's name because Reggie, he was so proud 2:16:30.160 --> 2:16:32.680 of Tyree. He'd be like, come on, because did you 2:16:32.760 --> 2:16:34.959 see what Tyree's doing? So we grew up being like 2:16:35.000 --> 2:16:37.560 come on because another Tyree story, like so Tyre's in 2:16:37.640 --> 2:16:39.360 high school for us was like he was the model, 2:16:39.440 --> 2:16:42.200 right but and I never told Tyree this, And I 2:16:42.240 --> 2:16:44.600 never told this is kind of deep. I thought about 2:16:44.600 --> 2:16:46.720 this in the shower. This is brand I thought about 2:16:46.760 --> 2:16:48.680 this in my life. I was like, when did I 2:16:48.720 --> 2:16:52.840 first want to? I started looking at my house, like 2:16:52.840 --> 2:16:54.600 why am I in this house? Why did I? How 2:16:54.640 --> 2:16:57.800 did I get here? How ma in this community? How 2:16:57.800 --> 2:17:00.680 am I? I just had a weird brain fart, like 2:17:00.720 --> 2:17:03.959 how did I get here? Like night ship? 2:17:04.000 --> 2:17:04.360 How do I? 2:17:04.600 --> 2:17:08.680 How do I do this? Though? And I said, Reggie 2:17:08.720 --> 2:17:11.720 took me on a field trip to Tyreese's house. His 2:17:11.760 --> 2:17:14.280 tyres had just started making bread. He had a house 2:17:14.280 --> 2:17:18.720 in Temecula. I never seen I never seen. I never 2:17:18.760 --> 2:17:24.360 seen nobody close to my age that was still hood, 2:17:24.640 --> 2:17:28.279 still pulling up. I never seen nobody with a kitchen 2:17:28.320 --> 2:17:31.760 with an island in it, like it was life changing. 2:17:31.800 --> 2:17:33.800 And I remember I remember it like yesterday. I don't 2:17:33.840 --> 2:17:36.560 know his manager. He was filming something and he was 2:17:36.600 --> 2:17:38.760 on a strict diet. He didn't say that, but I 2:17:38.840 --> 2:17:41.280 knew because it's the first time I seen like this 2:17:41.360 --> 2:17:42.960 is this is gonna be funny, this is for real. 2:17:42.959 --> 2:17:45.760 I was seventeenth the first time I seen like a boneless, 2:17:45.800 --> 2:17:48.480 skinless chicken breast with a piece of broccoli with no season. 2:17:48.600 --> 2:17:51.360 I just remember like, why is he eating that ship? 2:17:52.480 --> 2:17:54.480 But he's all in shape, you know, And I just 2:17:54.480 --> 2:17:56.800 remember him being like cool. I remember me asking him. 2:17:56.920 --> 2:18:00.520 I remember asking him a question like because I didn't 2:18:00.520 --> 2:18:02.720 grow with Tyres, we from the school this class later, 2:18:02.760 --> 2:18:04.800 but we feel like he's our bigger if we was 2:18:04.840 --> 2:18:07.480 in a attorney, he's our bigger brother, and we have 2:18:07.600 --> 2:18:10.120 all the respect for Tyree. He's a bad motherfucker. And 2:18:10.160 --> 2:18:11.879 where he come from it let me tell you something 2:18:13.280 --> 2:18:16.720 you don't but whatever Reese go through, and let me 2:18:16.760 --> 2:18:19.720 tell you something, where he come from is a different thing, 2:18:20.320 --> 2:18:23.720 you know. So I get the whole artistic bobe with him. 2:18:24.200 --> 2:18:29.359 But uh, that fucking island man, He had an island, 2:18:29.400 --> 2:18:32.600 and I didn't know, why do you need this? But 2:18:32.680 --> 2:18:35.200 he was so cool man. And I remember asking him 2:18:35.320 --> 2:18:37.680 because I was kind of like, let me see if 2:18:37.720 --> 2:18:41.560 he knows what's up. Kim Barell just came out with 2:18:41.600 --> 2:18:44.520 Everlasting Life at that time, or it was about to 2:18:44.520 --> 2:18:47.160 come out with somebody. Everlasting Life was out, and I 2:18:47.160 --> 2:18:49.360 was like, you know, Kim Morell is and he was like, 2:18:50.959 --> 2:18:56.400 that's my folks hard and he was so like, I said, damn, 2:18:56.400 --> 2:18:59.720 that's hip that Tyreese is hip to Kim Barell. You know, 2:19:00.080 --> 2:19:02.280 I wouldn't he be if I'm just an asshole kid 2:19:02.320 --> 2:19:04.000 that going through the same school he went to, and 2:19:04.040 --> 2:19:10.880 my teachers always saying, yeah, he called that, you know, 2:19:10.920 --> 2:19:15.400 but tyre has always been like he wrote from Afar, 2:19:15.600 --> 2:19:19.120 but so close. Reggie Andrews to always want to get 2:19:19.200 --> 2:19:20.760 us to work together, like he was busy and I 2:19:20.840 --> 2:19:22.920 was always but our birthdays. I think my birthday is 2:19:22.920 --> 2:19:29.920 December twenty win this races. This is the December first 2:19:30.120 --> 2:19:32.760 I got Reggie's text. All your birthdays around that same 2:19:33.080 --> 2:19:36.240 Reggie always said, hey, I'm calling Tyree's next. On thirty 2:19:36.360 --> 2:19:39.200 twenty five years on the birthday text. You know, ask 2:19:39.280 --> 2:19:42.600 Ty's about Reggie's birthday text. I'm sure you know it's 2:19:42.600 --> 2:19:45.040 a real thing. Like so Tyree, Tyree comes from that 2:19:45.120 --> 2:19:48.080 thing though, see it gets deep. He comes from that channel. 2:19:49.280 --> 2:19:53.920 He comes from that channel. So it's like him acting, singing, 2:19:55.879 --> 2:19:57.879 being so poetic when he talked, all this is that's 2:19:59.440 --> 2:20:01.840 he comes from the Reddy Andrews. He's he's one of 2:20:01.959 --> 2:20:05.320 our most important black artists in the world that just 2:20:05.400 --> 2:20:08.520 so happens to be from Watts. M M. It ain't 2:20:08.560 --> 2:20:12.800 it ain't easy. That's a bad motherfucker. It's a bad motherfucker. Man, 2:20:13.680 --> 2:20:17.440 Reggy Andrews, you gonna be like talking, Okay, Goddamn. When 2:20:17.480 --> 2:20:19.520 I saw Tyree's house, I said, I gotta be like Tyree, 2:20:21.040 --> 2:20:27.640 cut my hair, go ball, sweet lady. I love him, Man, 2:20:28.760 --> 2:20:34.720 TANJ Martin. Yes, your top five R and B singers, 2:20:39.560 --> 2:20:43.360 R and B. You know all all that all it 2:20:43.480 --> 2:20:47.040 all encompasses the whole universe of singers. Let's just say 2:20:47.080 --> 2:20:56.240 that half your way. Charlie Wilson, keep running, keep on running, 2:20:57.680 --> 2:21:00.880 Faith Evans, yet or not. You better not do this, 2:21:01.000 --> 2:21:07.240 not in this order, this order. You better not tank Uh. 2:21:08.080 --> 2:21:11.920 It's okay, okay, you take it, just takes. It's hard 2:21:11.920 --> 2:21:13.800 for me to take that too. People's I just I 2:21:13.920 --> 2:21:16.760 turned my head down. Just weird. It's it's it's the 2:21:16.840 --> 2:21:18.920 church and it's so weird and the studio. We could 2:21:18.920 --> 2:21:25.039 do it though, with a certain kind of but just no, brother, 2:21:28.400 --> 2:21:36.040 is that four three perfect? Not in this order? Eric Dawkins, Yeah, 2:21:36.680 --> 2:21:41.800 since yeah, but way, I've seen all these people make 2:21:41.879 --> 2:21:44.480 up things in the moment. That's I'm judging the whole. 2:21:44.480 --> 2:21:46.560 It's a lot of things I'm judging off of. I've 2:21:46.600 --> 2:21:49.240 seen all these artists create songs in the middle of 2:21:49.400 --> 2:21:52.600 sound checks and tags the end of songs. I seen 2:21:52.680 --> 2:21:55.840 all these artists sang when the mics was messed up. 2:21:55.840 --> 2:21:58.800 I've seen all these artists when I've seen all these 2:21:58.879 --> 2:22:01.480 artists at all the levels. Yeah, been to so many 2:22:01.480 --> 2:22:08.000 and yourself no so uh, I said Eric Dawkins, benefit 2:22:08.040 --> 2:22:11.880 of his since ninety five. I'm with you, yep, talks 2:22:11.920 --> 2:22:26.119 and talkings. Got one more. God rest his soul. Jesse Powell. 2:22:26.600 --> 2:22:32.920 Oh yeah, yeah, Jesse. We're talking about the level right, Oh, 2:22:33.320 --> 2:22:38.880 the level, talking about the level, I'm talking about intonations, 2:22:38.959 --> 2:22:45.480 saying performance, theatory syllables. Oh thing, Daniel eye. I've seen 2:22:45.520 --> 2:22:47.760 them singing praise and worship. I seen him seeing to 2:22:47.760 --> 2:22:49.800 a woman. I've seen I've seen Jesse when I was younger, 2:22:50.000 --> 2:22:52.680 Auder and back then I said, man, they oh yeah, 2:22:55.240 --> 2:22:57.800 the one He's gonna inspire too many good things. They don't. 2:22:59.160 --> 2:23:02.680 Nobody even fries to re sing that Record're good, We're 2:23:02.720 --> 2:23:09.400 good people leave you alone good. Yeah, that's a record, 2:23:09.480 --> 2:23:14.560 We're good. That's the record smash. But nobody plays around 2:23:14.680 --> 2:23:17.000 with that. No, leave it alone. 2:23:17.160 --> 2:23:17.360 Man. 2:23:17.840 --> 2:23:20.920 You remember Jesse's range? What there are? There are lanes 2:23:20.959 --> 2:23:26.959 and levels. Man, that that's just five. But though if 2:23:27.000 --> 2:23:29.480 I was me and Robert always blasts were always saying 2:23:29.520 --> 2:23:32.039 we was going to war and we had to fight 2:23:32.200 --> 2:23:34.960 and heal the world with music. What top piano player with? 2:23:36.800 --> 2:23:39.000 Those are my five that I know. I could go 2:23:39.160 --> 2:23:43.440 anywhere from all the levels from heart thriving music core 2:23:43.640 --> 2:23:46.160 changes to dexterity to that's just the five. I know. 2:23:46.360 --> 2:23:49.320 They taken off phase off Pasey that you know you 2:23:49.640 --> 2:23:50.880 don't when need to come to the park like I 2:23:50.959 --> 2:23:51.480 got my five? 2:23:51.600 --> 2:23:55.760 Yeah, I got my You know what I'm saying, that's 2:23:56.440 --> 2:23:58.960 you know, songwriter, I got a song. I gotta all all. 2:23:59.400 --> 2:24:02.600 We do this a lot Top five R and B songs. 2:24:04.560 --> 2:24:08.320 Whoa oh, he said, I like that list some more 2:24:08.400 --> 2:24:11.960 water Man. We got some more water Man. Top R 2:24:11.959 --> 2:24:17.760 and B songs. Oh okay, here we go, Here we go, 2:24:19.360 --> 2:24:20.800 Top five, thank you by the top five R and 2:24:20.879 --> 2:24:30.320 B songs. You could tell a lot by a person 2:24:30.360 --> 2:24:44.480 about these answers. Jennet Jackson any time, any place. My 2:24:44.560 --> 2:24:53.400 heart belongs to you. Do that. Next rendition, rest in peace, 2:24:53.480 --> 2:24:54.440 Kenny A Ribbon the sky. 2:24:55.040 --> 2:24:55.440 Hm hmm. 2:24:58.000 --> 2:25:08.640 We don't talk about Kenny A lot that we haven't. 2:25:09.200 --> 2:25:13.960 You just brought something crazy that had a song called 2:25:14.040 --> 2:25:14.800 coming Side. 2:25:14.920 --> 2:25:18.200 Yeah, you let me, if you let me, if you 2:25:18.400 --> 2:25:26.360 the tone though, it's the tone, the arrangement, you know. 2:25:26.920 --> 2:25:33.240 So that's that's three. Tevin Campbell, Now can we talk. 2:25:33.959 --> 2:25:37.960 I know where you're going. Come on, set you by 2:25:38.080 --> 2:25:42.240 the fire, your place. You know what I'm saying. Break 2:25:42.320 --> 2:25:44.400 it down, can get it down? 2:25:46.720 --> 2:25:49.160 Press wrote that bottle stop playing? Yeah yeah, I mean 2:25:49.720 --> 2:25:53.320 I don't want no said. I can't let you do 2:25:53.480 --> 2:25:59.040 it by yourself. Come on, I need it back. I 2:25:59.200 --> 2:25:59.920 need that back. 2:26:00.360 --> 2:26:03.360 That's four. You went too crazy on my record. I 2:26:03.480 --> 2:26:13.520 need it back. Uh now I need faith even as 2:26:13.560 --> 2:26:19.480 soon as I get home. No, no, no, no, come 2:26:19.560 --> 2:26:22.880 over sorry come over fight That was once you come 2:26:22.920 --> 2:26:26.720 over and make a lot of me. Yeah, because that 2:26:26.840 --> 2:26:28.760 song hit a certain way in my Honda Core when 2:26:28.760 --> 2:26:32.600 that came out, Come on, Chucky, come on man, come 2:26:32.640 --> 2:26:41.920 on Chuck. When you finally brought that car boom, dude, dude, 2:26:43.760 --> 2:26:49.040 oh manm keyboard sounds with and you had two twelves 2:26:49.080 --> 2:26:52.000 in the back, that's when that's when that's when you 2:26:52.040 --> 2:26:55.560 would just you would pick up the young lady. You know, 2:26:55.600 --> 2:26:57.959 both of y'all in high school. Everybody's of age, same age. 2:26:57.959 --> 2:27:02.000 You know, everybody's seventeen together to say that these days here, 2:27:02.520 --> 2:27:04.720 so I'm in behind the core, I'm banging faith that was. 2:27:04.760 --> 2:27:06.880 But this is when you on purpose in La you 2:27:07.040 --> 2:27:09.080 just drive fast in the Gutta line for no reason, 2:27:09.160 --> 2:27:10.800 looking straight while the girl in the car and you're 2:27:10.800 --> 2:27:14.400 playing faith that she's scared going fast, but the faith 2:27:14.440 --> 2:27:16.680 that was just still than her and you're just looking 2:27:16.720 --> 2:27:24.840 and you just you saying the words I lived this 2:27:25.000 --> 2:27:28.119 R and B ship broke because they're only so cool 2:27:28.160 --> 2:27:34.000 in the can push it to the streets. You ain't 2:27:34.040 --> 2:27:38.360 going and yo, remember the air your tape collection and 2:27:38.480 --> 2:27:42.440 your CD collection was how everybody yea and to see 2:27:42.480 --> 2:27:44.760 the evening I want to hear the city booklet. 2:27:44.920 --> 2:27:48.400 Come on man, Yeah, I had the black leather boot 2:27:49.160 --> 2:27:51.760 want the move, we said, But I was writing my 2:27:51.840 --> 2:27:53.720 own songs to the fifteen, so I have you know, 2:27:53.760 --> 2:27:54.160 I mean. 2:27:54.800 --> 2:28:02.280 Yeah, yeah yeah you go oh yeah yeah Maxill It 2:28:02.400 --> 2:28:08.680 was like yeah, Max, yeah, all that was five yeah yeah, 2:28:09.840 --> 2:28:14.760 actually hit us with two. That's all good because you know, 2:28:14.879 --> 2:28:18.560 you get weird when they come around. I love every 2:28:18.600 --> 2:28:25.400 time I see be like some music, like some music. 2:28:27.320 --> 2:28:29.160 Here we go. Let's make your vulture on your super 2:28:29.360 --> 2:28:30.520 r and B artists easy. 2:28:30.600 --> 2:28:32.640 We want to know who you're going to get the 2:28:32.760 --> 2:28:36.360 particulars from, Who you're gonna get the vocal from, who 2:28:36.360 --> 2:28:40.320 you gonna get the performance style from, the styling, the 2:28:40.560 --> 2:28:43.760 passion of the artists, and. 2:28:45.440 --> 2:28:50.920 What all star musical cast is going to play for 2:28:51.040 --> 2:28:55.320 this artist. Yeah, it's different. You expect that one. Okay, 2:28:55.360 --> 2:28:59.879 I'm gonna get Aaron Ray going on what vocal? Whole plan? 2:29:00.040 --> 2:29:03.959 What vocal are you getting for this artist? One vocal? 2:29:05.080 --> 2:29:10.400 Which which second? I know you the singer A right? 2:29:11.520 --> 2:29:12.320 Mm hmmm, I. 2:29:15.200 --> 2:29:32.640 Spelled performing right, styling a right, passion a right? What 2:29:32.800 --> 2:29:34.080 group of musicians is playing for? 2:29:36.040 --> 2:29:40.080 There we go, Now it's real. The group of musicians 2:29:40.120 --> 2:29:41.680 playing for Aaron Ray is uh. 2:29:46.760 --> 2:29:54.760 Whom I heard all the names, you know, I know 2:29:54.879 --> 2:29:55.360 the names. 2:29:55.879 --> 2:29:59.040 I know all those names. You know, you know the 2:29:59.160 --> 2:30:04.600 group of Aaron Ray. I would can I get a 2:30:04.600 --> 2:30:08.840 little bit in death? I would want to get. I 2:30:08.879 --> 2:30:15.320 would go to get. I would find out what spend 2:30:15.360 --> 2:30:18.200 a month going to midnight musicals and I would get 2:30:18.200 --> 2:30:20.480 a bunch of young cats to play with them young cats, 2:30:20.520 --> 2:30:24.720 and I would take them, take them to a rehearsal place. 2:30:24.760 --> 2:30:26.560 And I was would we would? We would study the 2:30:26.640 --> 2:30:30.080 genuine tapes. We will study the genuine tapes. We will 2:30:30.120 --> 2:30:33.320 do these things. Because Aaron Ray needs a band that's 2:30:33.440 --> 2:30:35.000 he needs a different kind of He needs a band 2:30:35.040 --> 2:30:37.000 that's just like that band. But he needs one guy 2:30:37.520 --> 2:30:40.240 that's a jazzy, real piano guy. He's a jazzy guy 2:30:40.280 --> 2:30:42.320 because he likes jazz, but he needs that. He's an 2:30:42.440 --> 2:30:44.800 R and B guy. He in the gym right now. 2:30:44.879 --> 2:30:47.200 He like Baby Tank, he got the he doing it 2:30:47.480 --> 2:30:49.680 and he's serious about that. So he needs a band 2:30:49.680 --> 2:30:51.680 that understands that show. The one thing about the genu 2:30:51.720 --> 2:30:53.840 Wine band, the music was a high level, but the 2:30:54.000 --> 2:30:57.280 show was a high level. The backgrounds and you know 2:30:57.400 --> 2:31:00.360 geniu Wine, all these Genie Wine was the first singer 2:31:00.560 --> 2:31:02.560 shout out to genu Wine too, and this this takes 2:31:03.640 --> 2:31:07.959 strength and courage to have the type of background singers 2:31:08.040 --> 2:31:11.560 genu Wine used to be. It takes courage even for 2:31:11.640 --> 2:31:13.600 some of these bands to say they had Dave Polisher 2:31:13.720 --> 2:31:17.800 singing background. Yeah. Yeah, that takes a good person that's 2:31:17.800 --> 2:31:20.720 secure and his biceping. He used to dance all crazy, 2:31:20.760 --> 2:31:23.080 all kind of ship and he could sign don't get 2:31:23.120 --> 2:31:27.360 it fucked up. His thing is his thing. But Aaron 2:31:27.440 --> 2:31:31.160 Ray is like to me, because I've I've I've I've 2:31:31.240 --> 2:31:33.040 had Aaron with me in New York at the Blue Note. 2:31:33.080 --> 2:31:35.880 That's like the training ground. It's two sets tonight. But 2:31:35.959 --> 2:31:38.480 people that don't know you and I want to see 2:31:38.520 --> 2:31:42.240 and he bam. The musicians would be all young casts. 2:31:42.320 --> 2:31:44.320 But but I would I would go get knee signed, 2:31:44.879 --> 2:31:47.720 m M. The anchor, the anchor it that season, to 2:31:47.800 --> 2:31:50.160 anger that that new, to blend that, because Aaron Ray 2:31:50.240 --> 2:31:55.600 is that songwise, James Finload would write everything. You write everything, 2:31:56.800 --> 2:32:01.480 you right everything, He would write everything because I would 2:32:01.520 --> 2:32:03.119 have to treat this like a car wash a little 2:32:03.120 --> 2:32:06.200 bit to really do it, in my opinion, to do 2:32:06.320 --> 2:32:08.800 it how I see it. Where it could be done 2:32:08.800 --> 2:32:11.360 at this crazy level. I would get James farl Royd 2:32:11.640 --> 2:32:18.200 to write it to an R. The an R is 2:32:18.240 --> 2:32:20.120 tricky because it's such a high level record. I would 2:32:20.160 --> 2:32:21.840 have to go get Sycamore or somebody left to go 2:32:21.959 --> 2:32:24.800 an R. You know what I mean, A couple of 2:32:24.840 --> 2:32:28.760 an rs. I have to get after pay Tina Davis 2:32:28.760 --> 2:32:31.360 a consulting fee mm hmm, to figure out how to 2:32:31.400 --> 2:32:33.119 push this thing through. I mean it's a whole thing. 2:32:33.560 --> 2:32:37.000 M The publicism, now that's tricky. I love them all. 2:32:39.400 --> 2:32:42.360 Where we would cut the record, that would be larrybie Man. 2:32:42.440 --> 2:32:47.000 He would mix the record, yep. The musicians on the record. 2:32:47.040 --> 2:32:49.640 We would do a blend because even with James writing it, 2:32:49.640 --> 2:32:52.959 I would still blend like I would randomly go get 2:32:53.120 --> 2:33:03.600 like a what does James sound like? With exkewoy Q 2:33:03.800 --> 2:33:05.640 writing and go get sew you to get like, what 2:33:05.879 --> 2:33:07.320 what does that sound like? Because I could put all 2:33:07.320 --> 2:33:10.360 of them in one wrong. I could do it. That's 2:33:10.440 --> 2:33:13.360 my thing is putting oil and water together making it smoke, 2:33:13.520 --> 2:33:15.039 you know. But that's what I would do with an 2:33:15.120 --> 2:33:18.640 artist like Aaron Rakers because I feel as has everything 2:33:18.760 --> 2:33:21.160 going for him. I feel he's such a different type 2:33:21.160 --> 2:33:22.680 of artists. He just needs to be surrounded with a 2:33:22.720 --> 2:33:25.360 certain type of a thing, you know, because he does 2:33:25.400 --> 2:33:27.360 all the work himself, and he's a bad motherfucker. I 2:33:27.440 --> 2:33:30.720 don't need anyone, but I know with them type of artists, 2:33:30.720 --> 2:33:35.640 those special ones. It's the reason why we all work 2:33:35.720 --> 2:33:37.840 for a reason. It's the reason why those names are 2:33:37.879 --> 2:33:40.280 the names we just. The only thing different I would 2:33:40.280 --> 2:33:42.080 do is involved the live band with the live young 2:33:42.120 --> 2:33:45.280 because I'm into young musicians. I love young energy. 2:33:46.080 --> 2:33:46.280 You know. 2:33:46.640 --> 2:33:48.160 I'll even deal with the show up later a few 2:33:48.240 --> 2:33:50.440 times to the airport, something about the young musician. I 2:33:50.560 --> 2:33:57.000 get monsters, you know what I'm saying. Monsters, Hey man, 2:33:57.080 --> 2:34:00.200 I do a fire song album with you all ballt 2:34:00.240 --> 2:34:02.279 us with strings though we'd have Derek God to the strings. 2:34:04.080 --> 2:34:05.680 We'd have Darrey do the strings, and it would be 2:34:05.720 --> 2:34:08.320 we would write the tunes kind of like jazz. Thenny 2:34:08.400 --> 2:34:11.000 but R and B. You know jazz. They go to 2:34:11.120 --> 2:34:14.440 the bridge like, what's the cat? Everybody likes this cat. 2:34:15.280 --> 2:34:17.840 I'm not man. I don't want to disrespect the white 2:34:17.920 --> 2:34:22.039 guy Blue Black, Michael Blue. Yeah, everybody likes that guy. 2:34:22.360 --> 2:34:25.120 That's like small world music to me. But everybody likes 2:34:25.160 --> 2:34:28.520 that thing. We don't have nobody in our world that's 2:34:28.520 --> 2:34:31.640 seeing that kind of music and attacking hearts. The queen 2:34:32.480 --> 2:34:34.520 some more joys doing it from a jazz perspector, But 2:34:34.560 --> 2:34:36.440 we don't have you. You you could bridge that man, 2:34:36.440 --> 2:34:38.840 because the piano with the strings, we don't do nothing 2:34:38.920 --> 2:34:40.520 up temple. If it's up temple, it's just a mid 2:34:40.560 --> 2:34:43.760 temple box and nova. It ain't nothing fast. It's just 2:34:43.879 --> 2:34:45.600 like it's when you do this. We going to the 2:34:45.680 --> 2:34:47.920 Kennedy Center. We're going back to d C with the orchestra. Well, 2:34:47.959 --> 2:34:49.560 you know what happens when you say stuff on the 2:34:49.680 --> 2:34:55.320 Army Money podcast. Binding I've been telling you. You know 2:34:57.320 --> 2:34:59.680 that's what I'm saying it like you have to do it. 2:34:59.760 --> 2:35:01.440 I mean when I was first hearing Tank around, you know, 2:35:01.480 --> 2:35:05.640 I used to be on Molly so much. Tank. Tank 2:35:05.800 --> 2:35:07.840 was another guy I would I would get starstruck four, 2:35:07.920 --> 2:35:14.320 but the Mollys too. I'd be like, hey, Tank. In 2:35:14.440 --> 2:35:16.280 my head, I had a whole talk with him, like 2:35:16.600 --> 2:35:17.280 I love the music. 2:35:17.360 --> 2:35:17.480 Man. 2:35:17.560 --> 2:35:27.320 Yeah, we gotta problem, era the problem. 2:35:27.840 --> 2:35:33.080 The problem ah man, I liked everybody I shouldn't like. 2:35:36.640 --> 2:35:41.280 Like everyone. That makes me a lover more of a lover. Yeah, 2:35:41.320 --> 2:35:45.000 I used to give good love speeches all night, seven hours. 2:35:45.480 --> 2:35:49.080 What talk to me? I used to accidentally confess the 2:35:49.160 --> 2:35:51.640 truth when I shouldn't have. Certain times, I've been there, 2:35:52.040 --> 2:35:53.879 Like i've been there, I've had to hear the truth. 2:35:54.000 --> 2:35:54.720 Don't tell me that. 2:35:55.520 --> 2:36:05.160 Man, Here we go, ship, you got cham I ain't 2:36:05.200 --> 2:36:07.640 saying no next day, I ain't saying no names. 2:36:08.080 --> 2:36:10.640 I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no name. 2:36:10.800 --> 2:36:14.600 He was what you need. 2:36:15.920 --> 2:36:28.520 She ain't saying no. That's stupid. Yeah, come on now, 2:36:29.120 --> 2:36:32.680 come on you you're here. Now you're here. You really welcome. 2:36:32.879 --> 2:36:34.680 He said, you wanted to come on the podcast, come 2:36:34.680 --> 2:36:38.240 on there. So it's the moment I saw Punch. I 2:36:38.320 --> 2:36:40.480 saw I saw the story. Punch was clever with that. 2:36:40.520 --> 2:36:42.520 I like how Punch did it funny and fucked up 2:36:43.440 --> 2:36:46.160 a funny and fucked up. Maybe it was high. Maybe 2:36:46.160 --> 2:36:51.280 you wasn't. Maybe, Oh man, the only rule to the 2:36:51.360 --> 2:36:54.640 game is you can't say no name, not one. That's 2:36:54.640 --> 2:37:06.800 the only rule. Oh man. The year was two thousand fourteen. 2:37:06.920 --> 2:37:09.400 I like what I'm going. I love the year twenty fourteen. 2:37:11.520 --> 2:37:15.039 I just got down with some very important records, very 2:37:15.080 --> 2:37:17.840 important records that helped. When I say important, I mean 2:37:17.879 --> 2:37:20.640 they helped people. They helped more than me, They helped 2:37:20.640 --> 2:37:24.760 the people, they helped the whole world. So I never 2:37:24.840 --> 2:37:28.120 go on to row. But being a producer, hustler, what 2:37:28.200 --> 2:37:30.240 you do you follow that record? The artis Wan't you 2:37:30.240 --> 2:37:31.480 going to road for a couple of months? Why now 2:37:31.600 --> 2:37:33.840 let's go. We just got to know the album. Don't 2:37:33.879 --> 2:37:35.800 chip on a weekly money. I'll get you on that 2:37:35.840 --> 2:37:39.000 production agreement. Don I got you. Let's go. It's I 2:37:39.120 --> 2:37:42.879 go on the road. Now. This is when I I've 2:37:43.040 --> 2:37:45.680 came to the realization at this age, I think I'm 2:37:45.760 --> 2:37:48.160 like thirty six at this time or something like that. 2:37:48.320 --> 2:37:50.160 So this is the this is the run that made 2:37:50.160 --> 2:37:53.119 me say, Okay, you can't hang with these young motherfuckers 2:37:53.160 --> 2:37:55.080 no more. It's you. You gotta hang with your world. 2:37:55.240 --> 2:37:57.440 This is different you used to be. This is different. 2:38:00.280 --> 2:38:02.520 So we're touring all over. The artist has a very 2:38:02.560 --> 2:38:05.720 good record. It's going up, it's going big. It's not 2:38:05.840 --> 2:38:09.959 Kenrick Lamoar. So it's not that kill Oh. I can't 2:38:09.959 --> 2:38:12.440 say nothing, but I gotta say that because I can't 2:38:12.440 --> 2:38:15.160 say that. So we're out of town. We go to 2:38:15.240 --> 2:38:18.200 New York. It's the artist first time sold. Our show 2:38:18.280 --> 2:38:20.879 New York is cracking. Everybody's in New York. Everybody's coming 2:38:20.920 --> 2:38:23.160 to this show. I can't say no names, but a 2:38:23.200 --> 2:38:25.520 lot of my guest list is very who's who in 2:38:25.640 --> 2:38:28.400 New York, like you know, and this is like early, 2:38:28.720 --> 2:38:31.240 This is like we we we're just about to start 2:38:31.320 --> 2:38:34.400 the run. So we already we already kicked them off, 2:38:34.440 --> 2:38:35.960 but we now we're about to start to run. So 2:38:36.080 --> 2:38:38.400 you know, you know, when when you're hot, everybody comes 2:38:38.400 --> 2:38:41.520 to the show. God guy, So everybody's coming to the show. 2:38:41.560 --> 2:38:43.680 We have a good time. This is another friend of 2:38:43.720 --> 2:38:47.480 mine that was involved and with this that was involved musically, 2:38:51.040 --> 2:38:56.800 got in business with a friend of mine from Atlanta, 2:38:57.920 --> 2:39:00.920 got in business with a tequila company. Right, and everybody 2:39:00.959 --> 2:39:05.040 knows I drink tequila. I love tequila, right. I was 2:39:05.080 --> 2:39:06.920 drinking a lot more in tequila than though. This is 2:39:07.000 --> 2:39:09.840 like when somebody said tequila was a guy that I 2:39:09.920 --> 2:39:11.960 started thinking of. At least I'm having ala veria in 2:39:12.000 --> 2:39:13.520 my at at least I'm going through this whole thing. 2:39:14.120 --> 2:39:16.440 So it's a health benefit to tequila at least, you 2:39:16.520 --> 2:39:22.480 know what I'm saying. Liquor courage anyway, So he said, team, man, 2:39:22.480 --> 2:39:25.400 I know you try this. Man, it's try this all nice. 2:39:25.400 --> 2:39:26.879 I said, I'm gonna try it on stage. I'll said 2:39:26.879 --> 2:39:29.600 to Tequila about my keyboards. I'm playing and I'm not 2:39:29.920 --> 2:39:32.160 it's smooth. I'm like, this is smooth. One of those 2:39:32.200 --> 2:39:35.600 expensive bottles, heavy bottles. So I'm like it gotta be good. 2:39:36.600 --> 2:39:38.280 So I'm just drinking until I'm seeing, you know, a 2:39:38.360 --> 2:39:41.000 little buzz. I'm cool chilling. Now it's the end of 2:39:41.040 --> 2:39:43.200 the show. I didn't get too lifted, just coupled. But 2:39:43.240 --> 2:39:47.040 when we got back backstage, I started trying taking shots. 2:39:47.080 --> 2:39:49.720 I'm usually good at this time my life. To be 2:39:49.760 --> 2:39:51.920 able to move and now have a hangover and get 2:39:51.959 --> 2:39:54.360 that car time and not say nothing out of pocket. 2:39:54.800 --> 2:39:57.640 I'm like, I'm good. I'm like a seven to eight shot. 2:39:57.840 --> 2:40:02.040 Good dude right now with water consistent moving around the party. 2:40:02.440 --> 2:40:04.800 You feel me. I'm like, so, I'm but I got 2:40:04.879 --> 2:40:09.880 to my sixth shot and I was like, man, it 2:40:09.959 --> 2:40:12.600 used to be the show called your TV Rats with 2:40:12.760 --> 2:40:14.640 with with Doctor Dray and Ed Lover and aed love 2:40:14.760 --> 2:40:17.720 to do this dance like this, No, Chris, Now that's 2:40:18.040 --> 2:40:20.920 something holding the show. That's BT wrapped Chris the Mayor, 2:40:21.560 --> 2:40:24.760 the mayor on BT The mayor Sorry, sorry lover. The 2:40:24.840 --> 2:40:27.160 Mayor used to do this dance and all I remember 2:40:27.280 --> 2:40:31.440 me for some reason, I'm sober, but my bodies start going. 2:40:32.680 --> 2:40:34.959 I'm like, what's going on? It's making me feel weird, 2:40:35.040 --> 2:40:39.200 like this liquor. So long story short, I don't remember 2:40:39.200 --> 2:40:41.600 what happened. Right. I wake up in the morning. I 2:40:41.720 --> 2:40:44.760 met the w hotel in New York. I'm not gonna 2:40:44.760 --> 2:40:51.560 say which one, but I woke up. I'm like, where's 2:40:51.600 --> 2:40:56.760 my clothes? Why am I? Where am I clothes? Where 2:40:56.760 --> 2:40:59.120 am I? Where am I? Where are my clothes? No? No, 2:40:59.520 --> 2:41:01.560 I'm like, okay, Actually, I'm like, oh, I must have 2:41:01.600 --> 2:41:02.880 got drunk and just took them off and got in 2:41:02.920 --> 2:41:05.200 a bed. So I got up and like, let me 2:41:05.280 --> 2:41:09.520 find my clothes, and I'm like, where's my saxophone. Where's 2:41:09.560 --> 2:41:12.200 my clothes? I see my saxophone neck in the mouthpiece. 2:41:12.280 --> 2:41:16.240 I'm like, I don't have no clothes, no clothes. I'm like, 2:41:16.280 --> 2:41:22.920 wear am my clothes? I'm like, I'm thinking. So I 2:41:23.000 --> 2:41:24.920 get a knock on the door by the artist I'm 2:41:24.959 --> 2:41:27.640 working with, and he brings me my clothes. He said, Hey, 2:41:31.320 --> 2:41:36.000 don't even worry about it. Take your clothes. So later 2:41:36.080 --> 2:41:39.959 I got dressed, I said, man, how'd you get my clothes? Bro? 2:41:40.120 --> 2:41:42.000 Was you in my room playing a game and stole 2:41:42.040 --> 2:41:43.280 my clothes? Well, how did you get my clothes? Bro? 2:41:43.400 --> 2:41:50.600 He said, I heard you banging on the door on 2:41:50.720 --> 2:41:53.200 the tenth floor. Your room's on the fifth. You kept 2:41:53.200 --> 2:41:56.920 saying you had to use the bathroom. I just looked 2:41:56.920 --> 2:41:58.760 at my people. I didn't come out, but I just 2:41:58.800 --> 2:42:03.200 went back and you got naked in the hallway floor 2:42:03.800 --> 2:42:06.400 and start using the bathroom on somebody's door and walk 2:42:06.440 --> 2:42:10.760 to your room neckad. That's my story. And that's when 2:42:10.760 --> 2:42:14.840 I stopped drinking so much tequila. That much. Yeah, that happened. 2:42:15.720 --> 2:42:18.039 That's a real story. If you know, you know about 2:42:18.040 --> 2:42:25.560 that one to I'll tell you later. It's a different guy. 2:42:27.080 --> 2:42:29.680 The jazz. I'm always with the music, but I always 2:42:29.800 --> 2:42:34.840 liked having a good time. Respectfully, that is a good time, man. 2:42:34.959 --> 2:42:43.280 You just so you got on the elevator room. Oh no, 2:42:44.680 --> 2:42:50.720 was your like it? I must have still had my 2:42:50.879 --> 2:42:53.120 kids next with my keys. 2:42:53.200 --> 2:42:57.880 There's so many questions, so many questions. That was that 2:42:58.160 --> 2:43:01.440 journey from the tenth floor to the it's gotta be 2:43:01.520 --> 2:43:02.119 a movie. 2:43:01.959 --> 2:43:08.440 Because I'm like, it's some more. It's some more. Somebody 2:43:08.480 --> 2:43:11.199 had to get a key for it. Some more. It's 2:43:11.480 --> 2:43:13.039 but that that that was, that was when I started 2:43:13.120 --> 2:43:17.480 chilling out. That level of that level, that that was 2:43:17.520 --> 2:43:19.320 a real level. That was like, we're just I'm just 2:43:19.760 --> 2:43:22.320 because that was when the body, the man's body starts 2:43:22.360 --> 2:43:26.080 taking change at thirty with the alcohol and everything. You know, 2:43:26.120 --> 2:43:27.640 all depends on how much you drink and how much 2:43:27.680 --> 2:43:31.400 you've been a part of this, wow, crazy business casually 2:43:31.480 --> 2:43:33.760 drinking for so many years. So thirty five is about 2:43:33.800 --> 2:43:35.320 that time. You're about to hit the forty soon. So 2:43:35.520 --> 2:43:38.920 everything is changing. So I didn't calculate I was ship 2:43:39.040 --> 2:43:42.040 was changing, Ship was changing. And now you know, I 2:43:42.080 --> 2:43:43.680 can still go, but I gotta do the I gotta 2:43:43.720 --> 2:43:46.160 do the water as I go. That means I'm not 2:43:46.160 --> 2:43:49.600 getting sucked up. I can't even think about it. Yeah, 2:43:51.360 --> 2:43:54.040 you don't know no more. I drink a little bit. 2:43:56.040 --> 2:43:59.000 I can't even think about it's over, run over, it's over. 2:43:59.120 --> 2:44:01.200 Yeah for the turn I'm drinking. Let me tell you 2:44:01.560 --> 2:44:04.120 when I the last time I got I get drunk 2:44:04.160 --> 2:44:06.360 on accident. It happens because when you play at clubs 2:44:06.400 --> 2:44:08.880 and ship like that. Let mebody, you will drink And 2:44:09.000 --> 2:44:13.920 I'm like, why not what you're drinking? When they ask me, 2:44:14.040 --> 2:44:15.760 I'm not the guy. I don't drink what you drink. 2:44:15.760 --> 2:44:18.080 If you will buy me a drink, I'm like an 2:44:18.080 --> 2:44:27.840 expensive day top shelf. I'm looking up there since But nah, man, 2:44:27.920 --> 2:44:31.080 but yeah, man, the liquors start changing my body, the weed, 2:44:31.200 --> 2:44:33.560 everything start changing, man. And it comes from all of 2:44:33.680 --> 2:44:36.720 us just changing. But the late nights in them studios. 2:44:37.120 --> 2:44:38.920 The amount of mental stress we deal with don't the 2:44:38.959 --> 2:44:40.920 amount of spiritual warfare we deal with. We deal with 2:44:41.080 --> 2:44:43.720 so much shit just to sing a fucking note to 2:44:43.840 --> 2:44:47.560 pay some mortgage. It's crazy. It's crazy what we all deal. 2:44:47.640 --> 2:44:50.160 It's like it's the I mean, it's like war Bro. 2:44:51.200 --> 2:44:53.760 Like war Bro. We deal with so much weird ship 2:44:54.120 --> 2:44:56.440 and we just get through. It's like war the mind 2:44:56.480 --> 2:44:58.320 of all. It ain't just that. That's what I'll be 2:44:58.320 --> 2:44:59.840 trying to tell you young kids, Like, if you're gonna 2:44:59.840 --> 2:45:01.800 do it, just you know, do it to it and 2:45:01.959 --> 2:45:04.040 don't believe in what Nicholas, what's that meaning? It's too 2:45:04.080 --> 2:45:06.720 good to be true. It's too good to be true 2:45:08.600 --> 2:45:09.160 that some of that. 2:45:10.160 --> 2:45:13.400 Yea brother, Terrence Martin, Man, we appreciate you. Come on, 2:45:13.520 --> 2:45:16.760 I appreciate you as a as a as a brother, 2:45:17.440 --> 2:45:18.880 as a as a man of a cloth. 2:45:19.160 --> 2:45:19.440 Come on. 2:45:21.680 --> 2:45:27.920 As a purist, curator, super musician, and super producer. You 2:45:28.040 --> 2:45:31.600 do it all man, You check all the box. I'll 2:45:31.600 --> 2:45:33.160 take some taco. I'm with all that. 2:45:33.440 --> 2:45:35.840 It is Tuesday, Yeah, it is Tuesday. Y'all should come 2:45:35.879 --> 2:45:38.320 to my residency. I'm playing tonight at Verse. Have you 2:45:38.400 --> 2:45:41.600 been the Verse yet? That's Maddy's restaurant next door to 2:45:41.680 --> 2:45:46.480 Larry Bie. No, you've been, but you went on it 2:45:46.600 --> 2:45:50.640 as for an event, for a camper's events event, a 2:45:50.680 --> 2:45:54.480 wild night cameraman. That's it, like my but you gotta 2:45:54.520 --> 2:45:57.120 come one night tonight, tonight. Then I'm gonna take a 2:45:57.120 --> 2:46:00.280 break this moment. Pick it back time. We play six 2:46:00.440 --> 2:46:02.640 thirty for a couple hours, then we play against nine thirty. 2:46:03.120 --> 2:46:05.040 That's the only local shit I do. Because we could 2:46:05.160 --> 2:46:07.680 we curate them tables so we know who's in there. 2:46:07.760 --> 2:46:10.520 It's all like minded people. I'm on a whole mission 2:46:10.600 --> 2:46:11.920 right now, so you know how I'm doing. I tell 2:46:11.920 --> 2:46:13.400 you you know I'm doing the table. It's a little 2:46:13.400 --> 2:46:19.840 different I'm a you. I'm with you. We appreciate you, brother. 2:46:19.959 --> 2:46:22.039 Come on, man, I appreciate you. Man. Let's say it. Man. 2:46:22.160 --> 2:46:24.920 My name is Tank Valentine and this is the R 2:46:24.920 --> 2:46:28.520 and B Money Podcast, the authority on all things R 2:46:28.560 --> 2:46:28.800 and B. 2:46:29.040 --> 2:46:32.680 Yes, sir, yeah, that's real. Know your craft. You better 2:46:32.720 --> 2:46:35.000 tell you a story for the other people telling fuck 2:46:35.040 --> 2:46:37.840 it up. That's what this is doing. Giving people a shot. 2:46:38.040 --> 2:46:40.039 The fact that we could go see all these cats here, 2:46:40.120 --> 2:46:43.240 that that that y'all know who's who is black history. Man, 2:46:43.360 --> 2:46:46.039 people are going to this is a real fucking thing 2:46:46.200 --> 2:46:49.920 to record. This, to record history of giants that would 2:46:49.920 --> 2:46:52.600 have never got looked at, and that are giants like 2:46:52.680 --> 2:46:55.400 we're talking about a person named Warren k. We're talking 2:46:55.400 --> 2:46:59.080 about giants here that will never like giants. That's just 2:46:59.160 --> 2:47:01.120 as important to me as Duke Keellington. Man. So I 2:47:01.240 --> 2:47:03.600 love you guys for doing this show. I want to 2:47:03.640 --> 2:47:05.040 come on this shit a gang of times. I got 2:47:05.160 --> 2:47:08.560 so much to say, ladies. Terrence mart