Speaker 1: R and B Money. We are.
Speaker 2: Take Boloti.
Speaker 1: We are the authority on all things R and Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: My name is Tank, I'm Valentine, and this is the
Speaker 2: arm Money Podcast, the.
Speaker 1: Authority, yes, sir, on all things R and B and A.
Speaker 1: I'm sick, yeah of you not knowing here how to
Speaker 1: use your instrument? All your instrument? Who if these walls
Speaker 1: could talk? Oh my my mind? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well studied, yeah, yeah, loyal to it, honestry groomed, yeah,
Speaker 2: how musician?
Speaker 1: What? Yeah? Who is it again? I'm sick of the
Speaker 1: Tans moment in the building. I made it. I made it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm on this show. I made it.
Speaker 3: I've been pressing you about this show. You can't press
Speaker 3: me after you you know what. We're gonna go into
Speaker 3: that God sometimes universe roll bumps, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: let's get into this because he tried me. He tried
Speaker 3: me immediately, and I wasn't gonna bring it up because
Speaker 3: I don't let nobody cancel it did come?
Speaker 1: They don't cancel it?
Speaker 3: Did come on the podcast after they cancel on this.
Speaker 3: If you canceled, you just canceled. But you're my friend
Speaker 3: in real life.
Speaker 1: For forgiving thank you, thank you, thank you for I
Speaker 1: run into you at the whole fol everywhere I run
Speaker 1: to you, I run to your real life. When I
Speaker 1: first ran to you, it was you and your father
Speaker 1: giving Snoop a paperback with a lot of money again
Speaker 1: County late one night. That's what I do know. I've
Speaker 1: seen that. I seen y'all that money. You and daddy
Speaker 1: come down like clear the roong. Hmm, yeah, clear the wroong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they doing music and money. Yeah. Shout out to j
Speaker 1: T the Bigger Fixure. Shout out to j T the
Speaker 1: Bigger and Jilly.
Speaker 3: Yeah them out man, because they made that happen.
Speaker 1: That happen.
Speaker 3: We came and got a verse. It was called uh.
Speaker 3: The song was called Get with This Pimper.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that night.
Speaker 3: It was written by Static and had a trade off
Speaker 3: about that record.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we traded songs I had.
Speaker 3: I gave him a song called Miracles and he gave
Speaker 3: me give it this Pamper and you came down.
Speaker 1: Then I went and got the Snoop cat I had
Speaker 1: to saw yeah, yeah, all hondles. Yeah. We had to
Speaker 1: count it out with Pops too. That was hards family affair.
Speaker 1: That is the first time we met Broy. It was
Speaker 1: like then I just started hearing them from the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: I got folks in the Bay Area. So man, he
Speaker 1: born and raising this thing. Oh listen, because you know
Speaker 1: when you're from l A. You know, you think LA
Speaker 1: is the only place in the world. When you were
Speaker 1: a kid, you think l A is like we the
Speaker 1: rather you a church or jazz or whatever. You just
Speaker 1: think it's l A. You know. But Man, I started
Speaker 1: going to those those uh Hawking family type things up
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area, those those church God in Christ
Speaker 1: conventions up there. Yeah, I know, but but but I
Speaker 1: start hearing this meeting like Thomas Prison, all these different
Speaker 1: dudes in different Bay Area dudes. But I just always
Speaker 1: was hearing your name all through different different circus and
Speaker 1: of course your pops for sure, because you know that's
Speaker 1: another circuit. You know what I'm saying that's connected to
Speaker 1: the church. It is. It's all why not, it's all true.
Speaker 2: You you're you're you're, you're my kind of guy. Come
Speaker 2: on now, thank you Undertand what I'm saying, man, that's
Speaker 2: you're the you're the cloth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're of bet fabric, my brother.
Speaker 2: You're trying to get better that thing. That's what we're
Speaker 2: doing every day. But what you've done so far is immaculate.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It is strong and it
Speaker 2: speaks volumes for me coming out like you know, coming
Speaker 2: from church on the on the east side.
Speaker 1: You know. Of course, the musicianship was the thing.
Speaker 2: It was crazy, right, But then as I got more
Speaker 2: into R and B and producing and things like that,
Speaker 2: it seemed like the musician ship took a back seat
Speaker 2: to the production. And it wasn't until I got to
Speaker 2: the West Coast in early two thousands that I that
Speaker 2: I saw the musicianship being, if not more, just as
Speaker 2: important as the production. As I'm in there with Warren Campbell,
Speaker 2: like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: What is all?
Speaker 2: What do you need? All of this ship? Like a
Speaker 2: room full of everything? And he could play at all
Speaker 2: everything and it was all in the song.
Speaker 1: He don't stop smiling while you do amazing. Battle Cat
Speaker 1: is just on everything. I'm like I was working with
Speaker 1: my caviar and overdose four knocks. They got me, got
Speaker 1: the guitar, nigga got the horn. I'm like hood niggas.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about playing full instruments.
Speaker 2: Fresh off of selling something into the studio to play
Speaker 2: music right. And and then as I as I reflected
Speaker 2: my O G. He used to take me to a
Speaker 2: jazz night. Big Flint used to take me to a
Speaker 2: jazz night. I think it was on Mondays or Tuesdays
Speaker 2: in the hood. Say nigga, we're going to get We're
Speaker 2: going to hear some Musicga, we are you are you?
Speaker 1: Are you like me?
Speaker 2: Nigga full jazz, come on man like and so's when
Speaker 2: I got to this we, I was like, that's and
Speaker 2: that was a should't want to ask you before we do
Speaker 2: the deep back dive.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Like, how has that always remained a staple for the
Speaker 2: West where the musicianship is just always the leader, whether
Speaker 2: it be Snoop, whether it be Kendrick Lamar, whether it
Speaker 2: be Dre, whether it be what, it's always the music
Speaker 2: and the musicians.
Speaker 1: I feel like me, well, I can speak on my
Speaker 1: kind of view, yeah, which may not be everybody's thing,
Speaker 1: but it it's a lot of people's think me myself, Thundercat,
Speaker 1: Kamasi Washington, a few of us, you know, but we
Speaker 1: grew up with in musician households and I was telling
Speaker 1: my son the other day, I said, at one, but
Speaker 1: I thought everybody played music because literally, in South Central LA,
Speaker 1: every third house in the eighties was a musician because
Speaker 1: people moved here from the South in different places to
Speaker 1: do what to do records, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like to say, I always say, you know, the seventies,
Speaker 1: it probably was the most happiest times for black folks
Speaker 1: and music. Funk music makes so many people rich, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And the early eighties. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing as a kid at the early eighties, me going
Speaker 1: to different people's houses in View Park. It was it
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't regular, but it wasn't out of the
Speaker 1: norm for me to see somebody in the Darraw Heights
Speaker 1: that father is a producer, not even a famous producer,
Speaker 1: but I have an SSL in his living room, Like
Speaker 1: that wasn't that was? That was that was? And this
Speaker 1: was a black man. Yeah, yeah, because I didn't. I
Speaker 1: grew up in South Central I grew up in Inglewood
Speaker 1: and View Park and Baldon Hills, all these places. So
Speaker 1: I think with the music, I think the music is
Speaker 1: such a big part of Los Angeles culture. Like Barry
Speaker 1: White's from the hood like we It's like I always
Speaker 1: tell somebody just asked me the other day, man, what
Speaker 1: you know. I don't like to do this, but somebody
Speaker 1: did ask you know, what do you feel the differences
Speaker 1: between DJ Quick and Battlecat and that you know, I
Speaker 1: hate doing that because it'll make you compare, but it
Speaker 1: was a question, and I have to give an answer.
Speaker 1: So I had to think, and I think, and I said,
Speaker 1: oh t J. Quick is undeniably one of the greatest
Speaker 1: record producers that ever lived. Battle Cat, to me is
Speaker 1: undeniably one of the greatest orchestrators that ever lived, because
Speaker 1: when he writes music, it's when he puts together his music.
Speaker 1: It's like orchestration. It's very similar to one of my
Speaker 1: favorite composers is named Wayne Shorter. And Wayne Shorter wrote
Speaker 1: for Miles Davis everything. But he would do write on
Speaker 1: mainscript paper and say that, then maybe another day a
Speaker 1: whole different set of paper, write another piece, and then
Speaker 1: maybe one day remember that piece of paper and that
Speaker 1: piece of paper and put it together. You know, he
Speaker 1: would like he would he would have a concept of
Speaker 1: nothing is trash. Nothing is trash musically. And when I
Speaker 1: seen battle Cap composed, Like I seen him work out
Speaker 1: a baseline, because he's a baseline master, work out a
Speaker 1: baseline for a while. Will see him do step by
Speaker 1: step and bill bill bill, even some of the mistakes
Speaker 1: that I thought with mistakes which I probably shouldn't have,
Speaker 1: he would save on a separate sequence. Then at the
Speaker 1: end I'd be like, what is he doing? And then
Speaker 1: an hour later you have like a week of freaking
Speaker 1: a ged up. You have all these big records that
Speaker 1: he just piece at a time, took his time and
Speaker 1: orchestrated those records very detailed. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: where quick as a master of like bringing that energy
Speaker 1: to that room, had them records feel is how he's
Speaker 1: producing it absolute if that record is moving, he's on
Speaker 1: that SSL dance in a movie. Why he's talking about
Speaker 1: impedance and all these other crazy things back and forth
Speaker 1: with people, you know what I'm saying. So that's that's
Speaker 1: that's but going. They're both from Los Angeles, I mean
Speaker 1: compt in LA. But they're both from Los Angeles. But
Speaker 1: they're both strong music based and I think just the
Speaker 1: culture of LA. I mean it's a record culture. It's
Speaker 1: just everybody in LA even before Instagram. Motherfucker was talking
Speaker 1: about they was the record producers and this and that
Speaker 1: it was just a record. We don't we grow up
Speaker 1: understanding what publishing is because we are able at seventeen
Speaker 1: to see a Warren Campbell drive through the parking lot
Speaker 1: with a Mercedes that's not even on the fucking in
Speaker 1: California yet, and say how did you how did you
Speaker 1: get that? And then he says writing music or not
Speaker 1: not to but I mean, you just know he's a
Speaker 1: record producer, he's a songwriter, he's a composer. So we
Speaker 1: see that at sixteen. Then we see the homie Charlie Barrel.
Speaker 1: At first we just looking at Warren the same way.
Speaker 1: Then the next year he signed the Warren what you
Speaker 1: do Man? I did a pub I'm doing, man, I'm
Speaker 1: doing I'm producing producing. Huh what what? Then you hear
Speaker 1: Walter Mills up except so youious it's rare and you
Speaker 1: see it, Kenny Krause making all this money with Eric clapping,
Speaker 1: So you see you so you see all these things.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Then you you know, you
Speaker 1: get with a Nie sougn and a rapture. Then you
Speaker 1: hear you hear things of a guy named Tank coming
Speaker 1: through the system. You go to the SAR rehearsal at seventeen,
Speaker 1: you see so anxious being right before the world hurt
Speaker 1: this ship and you're like, this is shit. You see
Speaker 1: they forming playing this is like these are genius. You
Speaker 1: see you you see a Nissan Stewart playing drums. Humble Nissan, right,
Speaker 1: It used to be this thing called the Praise Connection.
Speaker 1: All the beasts came out, all the amazing God from musicians,
Speaker 1: everybody came out right. Nissan always kind of played his
Speaker 1: thing where it's like I'm confident on me, I'm doing me.
Speaker 1: All these drummers to do all this, and for years
Speaker 1: that was the biggest thing. And I remember me always
Speaker 1: saying to myself like, damn, I'm trying to like what's special.
Speaker 1: I'm trying something special about Nissan. I'm getting to a
Speaker 1: point something special about n And then when I walked
Speaker 1: in thatw rehearsal and saw him play so anxious with
Speaker 1: his brother Rapture with two NBC three thousands on the
Speaker 1: side being then m D and they playing so anxious,
Speaker 1: and I saw a Nissan lock to that click track
Speaker 1: and still being able to move air with the kids drum.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, these niggas is geniuses, geniuses when I
Speaker 1: see when I see Dante play bass, and Dante was
Speaker 1: so infatuated with Andrew Bouchet and you know, but then
Speaker 1: when I see him now his his his thing that
Speaker 1: in the world at one point was like huh, but
Speaker 1: now his thing is like the sound like that. That group.
Speaker 1: That thing you came through was like monumental, high level,
Speaker 1: like Duke Ellington type ship to me, and it was
Speaker 1: just it was all under the the Master teacher to me, Davante.
Speaker 1: So so anything that you have, anything that goes under
Speaker 1: that has the opportunity to be blessed to go under
Speaker 1: that fabric. I'm always gonna pay attention to.
Speaker 3: You know, man, listen, you're talking about niggas studying. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's all of them. Yes, please go look up every name,
Speaker 3: all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out the Rapture Man changed my life, man,
Speaker 1: Rapture Man Man. One of my not my last casual gig.
Speaker 1: I've done plenty of casual gigs after this, but it
Speaker 1: sounds good if I say my last one. But uh,
Speaker 1: this is I don't know. This could have been ninety
Speaker 1: this could have been ninety six ninety seven. It was
Speaker 1: my first summer jam. I know that playing with Michelle
Speaker 1: like first summer jam and Rapturing that was playing with
Speaker 1: Missi and Timberlin. This was like the big deal, like
Speaker 1: they got a band and they was smashing all the
Speaker 1: Missy Timberlin music with these guys was just because they
Speaker 1: was using the cast that was on the record live.
Speaker 1: So it was like cheaters, you know, and they had
Speaker 1: the best anyway. So what was I saying? Was I
Speaker 1: just saying the last time you played a casual gig?
Speaker 1: It was it was in Palisades and it was for
Speaker 1: a doctor and Nie sounds on drums, raps on the keys.
Speaker 1: So you know, when you a casual band, this is
Speaker 1: before anybody got cracking your casual and you gotta eat.
Speaker 1: You gotta eat on the side by the kitchen. I
Speaker 1: can't be mingling with the people you in the band work.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Hell you all black. You're all black on
Speaker 1: this hot sun. It sounds like.
Speaker 3: Slavery, That's what I'm getting too.
Speaker 1: So we're eating right. And then Rapture I didn't have
Speaker 1: a card then I didn't even have to have my
Speaker 1: license or something like that. And then some came to
Speaker 1: the conversation, you know, rapped big big energy, rapture, big energy,
Speaker 1: and some came to the conversation where like, if if
Speaker 1: I was to give five thousand dollars, but what I do?
Speaker 1: And he was going down the table. If you was
Speaker 1: to get five thousand dollars, what would you do? Right?
Speaker 1: And somebody will say by He was like wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: you get five thousand, what would you do? I remember,
Speaker 1: just like yesterday. And then he got to me and
Speaker 1: I was like, if I got five thousand, I'm getting
Speaker 1: a car. He was like a car and I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, because y'all had to come give me a car.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, I'm a well he said, that's
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. Said, I would get a drum machine.
Speaker 1: I would get an NPC so I can make more
Speaker 1: money than buy me the car. I won't. And for
Speaker 1: some reason that's simple logic.
Speaker 3: That day just went it's a light bulb, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, because you were thinking of the now.
Speaker 1: Man. I was just talking about the future. I was gigging, man,
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, trying to play the horn, play the Oregon,
Speaker 1: trying to make love to who I can make love too,
Speaker 1: and just put the NPC.
Speaker 3: It takes you to another level of making love too though,
Speaker 3: because you're making love to a different type of woman
Speaker 3: once you have success with this NPC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I striving kids. You had to pay for them.
Speaker 1: So the NBC helped me a whole lot. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do that too. Yeah, you gotta pay for
Speaker 1: the kids, you know. Uh, you know it's nothing beast
Speaker 1: writing a song. Let me give you five. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: a jazz musician. Yeah, my os is twenty seven nodulations brother,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, mind twenty three.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah out there he still got
Speaker 3: a little You got a baby, yeah, I mean five
Speaker 3: six No, no, no, no, she's not okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my son seventeen. So you know, I'm getting there.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm getting there. A yeah, we might go
Speaker 1: somewhere special. What he got going over there? I'm trying
Speaker 1: to raise.
Speaker 3: Let you know, I know what you're doing doing job
Speaker 3: trying to I'm trying to raise the future, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 1: It is this whole ship.
Speaker 2: We're trying to retire. You're trying to retire. One of
Speaker 2: them retire. But I both let that I let that Terrence,
Speaker 2: take me back to the beginning and you even falling
Speaker 2: in love with musicianship. You're in the house with music,
Speaker 2: and what is the like? I can pinpoint when I
Speaker 2: heard two things. My cousin Alfonso Giles playing the panel
Speaker 2: upstairs in my grandmother's room, my grandmother's living room and
Speaker 2: teaching my mother and my cousin's parts to songs that
Speaker 2: he wrote, church songs. And I remember watching him playing
Speaker 2: the piano, playing the drums and playing. He went to
Speaker 2: Berkeley College of Music and every every summer he would
Speaker 2: come back and I couldn't wait for him to come back,
Speaker 2: just watch him do whatever it was.
Speaker 1: He was doing his magic to me.
Speaker 2: And the second moment was walking past the TV and
Speaker 2: being stopped in a cold stop like and then Charlie
Speaker 2: Browns Christmas was playing. I was like, what is it?
Speaker 2: Why do I feel like that? Why is that hitting
Speaker 2: me like that? What are those moments for you that
Speaker 2: said I gotta do I gotta do this.
Speaker 1: It's three of them. The first one, my earliest memory,
Speaker 1: is my first rap cassette we bought. We was we
Speaker 1: were staying off of Century in Western and it was
Speaker 1: a That's by Eddy's Market the record store, and my
Speaker 1: dad was like, man, I met this young man at
Speaker 1: the at the liquor store. He said he do rap music.
Speaker 1: He was out of taste, but he said this store
Speaker 1: got got his tast. I said, my son loved rap.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy his tape. And it was Ice t
Speaker 1: Ryan Pass. So when I heard so Ice t Ryan pays,
Speaker 1: you know, my my my dad was a very free thinkerminder.
Speaker 1: I didn't have no very similar, very similar vibe, like
Speaker 1: very protective of let me be free because I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble. He just let me For the
Speaker 1: jazz musician himself, super yeah jack and a hustler, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, which is which I mean.
Speaker 3: But but honestly, you had to be yeah in in
Speaker 3: in that field. Yeah, it's not like you you you
Speaker 3: did jazz to retire from anything else. It's almost like
Speaker 3: the old NBA where it's like, oh, you go hoop,
Speaker 3: but then you go work to go work. You got
Speaker 3: a gig, yeah, or you got a hustle or whatever
Speaker 3: that thing is. So that's how I look at jazz
Speaker 3: musicians and that.
Speaker 1: And that's that is the smart way to look at it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the jaz musician doesn't look at it that way though.
Speaker 1: The jab spends this whole life trying to get to
Speaker 1: this pinnacle of of when they're just on let me say,
Speaker 1: a certain type of music. Jazz musician, his whole life
Speaker 1: is getting to this this pinnacle of being the greatest
Speaker 1: at their instrument. And sometime sometime they spend so much
Speaker 1: time being great at the instrument they don't spend the
Speaker 1: other time with it takes to survive because because you
Speaker 1: you know, you you never mastered this ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Well, nothing't mestering nothing, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But the jazz thing, that's that's that's the
Speaker 1: unfortunate part about a lot of peersts that just that
Speaker 1: just deal with that one. You know, it's not a
Speaker 1: lot of I mean I could count, I mean, when
Speaker 1: I could count, probably be on two hands, how many
Speaker 1: uh jazz cats could could probably afford to live in
Speaker 1: a certain type home. And you know you got when
Speaker 1: Marcellius and you got all the famous guys. But I
Speaker 1: don't come from that. I come from a real South
Speaker 1: central how whatever he had to do, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: so he gets you to take we gotta edit this one. Okay.
Speaker 1: So my dad just passed like and I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: only crying because when you ask that as he's dying,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, hey, man, what uh man? What
Speaker 1: are you thinking about? He had cancer? You're like, man,
Speaker 1: I want to y'all probably know. But he said, Man,
Speaker 1: if I could just think of anything, I said, this
Speaker 1: is all the bitches you fuck, nigga. Now, it's all
Speaker 1: the kids. You didn't raise, all the cocaine. What was it?
Speaker 1: He was like, Man, poor judgment on time, poor judgment
Speaker 1: on who I spend time with, and poor judgment on
Speaker 1: what I think about. And that's the death to a
Speaker 1: lot of jazz musicians. That's the death to a lot
Speaker 1: of peers in general. Like poor judgment, thanks wrong, it's
Speaker 1: like poor adjudgment. But I just thought about that. It's
Speaker 1: just poor judgment on time, man, because you know him.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of cats that I know, cat
Speaker 1: like I buried about twenty six jagmus just and that's
Speaker 1: what we do, me and my own boy. They can't
Speaker 1: afford the funeral. And we learned that from I can't
Speaker 1: say his name, but it was a cat that did it.
Speaker 1: That always paid for the jazz funerals. People know who
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. They know, but so we carry on
Speaker 1: that that tradition. But it's like, it's a sad thing
Speaker 1: to bury a bad motherfucker. It's a sad funeral because
Speaker 1: you the obituaries always read like all these amazing artistic accolades,
Speaker 1: all these this this, and they're always like and almost
Speaker 1: and they read like the almost vibe. It's just is man,
Speaker 1: the jazz. The bad motherfucker's funeral is a sad thing
Speaker 1: because it's hardly never know money. You always gotta have
Speaker 1: a go fund me. Shit is dark. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: I got the NPC, you know, and really using as
Speaker 1: a thing as when I saw it. When I saw
Speaker 1: the n PC, I said, oh shit, Warren Campbell, boom
Speaker 1: ideas boom, write him down. Kipper Jones said, publishing, Kipper,
Speaker 1: what's publishing? Man? You should hook it with water millsap.
Speaker 1: He's young, like you, doing deals. He knows it. What okay, Walcher,
Speaker 1: what's up? I'm sixteen? Oh you yeah, come over here,
Speaker 1: hang with me with the same age. Oh you should
Speaker 1: meet my publisher, Big John. Matter of fact, come do
Speaker 1: this wedding for him. You got your horn. I gotta
Speaker 1: do Jay Brown's wedding. Who's Jay Brown? Just come to
Speaker 1: the wedding. Oh that's Ti dollar Sign on base. He's
Speaker 1: eleven years old. He's bad on base. So let's go
Speaker 1: over to the wedding. Oh, oh my god, we're at
Speaker 1: Jay Brown's wedding. That's Mario winning, Mario winning. I know, Mark,
Speaker 1: you know you know what I'm saying. Man, All these
Speaker 1: connected fibers. Yeah, and those are the.
Speaker 2: Things that that drive you to put it all together.
Speaker 1: Those are all the things. And that's why my whole
Speaker 1: existence is like, let me just hope I inspire like
Speaker 1: enough kids that I'm not tripping on inspiring kids how
Speaker 1: to play instruments. Sometimes that shit is boring. I just
Speaker 1: love it, you know what I'm saying. But I just
Speaker 1: want to inspire kids like to think of other ways out,
Speaker 1: think of other things like that. That's why I love like, man,
Speaker 1: when I when I see kids that masters on that
Speaker 1: fruity loops, it reminds me of I just get just
Speaker 1: I get just as excited as seeing Corey Henry play Orgon, Like,
Speaker 1: oh this is amazing. Look at this. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like the pianos and horn switch to the laptops.
Speaker 3: You know, look at them as cheat codes. No, because
Speaker 3: some people do, and some purist dude, that's why I
Speaker 3: asked you that.
Speaker 1: That's unfortunate for them. I feel that it's not a
Speaker 1: cheat CDE too. I don't because I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Only thing I don't like is allto too. That's the
Speaker 3: only thing, you know what I'm well, I'm not the
Speaker 3: biggest auto too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, and I tell every artist is
Speaker 1: you know, I tell every artist and these are the facts.
Speaker 1: What I say. I say, you know, you gotta be
Speaker 1: careful about continue on tracking through auto tune. It's gonna
Speaker 1: build such a hard crutch for your live show. And
Speaker 1: I tell people this, they just whatever whatever. And man,
Speaker 1: every time I do a show with somebody, if they
Speaker 1: don't got the auto tune, man there, they don't want
Speaker 1: to do the show. They don't want to do the show,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But I tell certain artists that if your thing is
Speaker 2: the auto tune, if your sauce, keep it.
Speaker 1: Keep it on you. That's your investment. As you said,
Speaker 1: you get your first five thousand dollars. Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: a lot of cats, don't you know. Somebody that that
Speaker 1: uses auto tune a lot. But we just did seven
Speaker 1: nights in a row at the Blue Note, and that's
Speaker 1: James Foleroy. We did seven nights, two sets a week
Speaker 1: at the two sets a night at the Blue Note,
Speaker 1: and that boy sign sign. But always said because everybody,
Speaker 1: all the youngsters, well James, James has he's built the option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those of us who can sing use it as
Speaker 2: as a sonic, as a tool tool.
Speaker 1: But don't get it twisted. Don't get twist. There is
Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, James, the two sets at night at
Speaker 1: the Blue Note. That's bad. Hey, that's bad. That's you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You got to say a lot
Speaker 1: of the they ain't cordless, Mike, Oh no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: cards cards the Blue Note. Yeah, we ain't read that.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on our song shared monitors. Come
Speaker 1: on man.
Speaker 3: So we were talking about your pops. Give you that tape.
Speaker 3: He gets you an ice tea taste.
Speaker 1: He gave me then ice ta tape. You're a great songwriter.
Speaker 1: You've always been great at that. See how you brought
Speaker 1: it back you see how you did that. You've always
Speaker 1: been good at that. Man, even through conflicts, you're great.
Speaker 1: You know you're amazing. This is what I got that
Speaker 1: ice t tape man. And I remember the first song
Speaker 1: I heard when I popped it in at at the
Speaker 1: house my dad left. He didn't know about cussing on tapes,
Speaker 1: none of that. I remember. The first thing I heard
Speaker 1: was six in the morning, police shot my door. And
Speaker 1: I was like, because our house I got raided a
Speaker 1: few times. Because when you were a jabb you just
Speaker 1: trying to survive. Dad, you say a little dope, ha there,
Speaker 1: you know what, whatever, take the help. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you know you you grew up backspacked
Speaker 1: by the door fore visions and different things like that,
Speaker 1: And so I was familiar with just the lifestyle he
Speaker 1: was talking about, Like he's talking about the police come
Speaker 1: to history too. Who I don't feel alone, you know.
Speaker 1: So I started alling nice seeing and then my mom
Speaker 1: used to go to the Rhodium Swap meet. This is
Speaker 1: a place in Guardena where I see a lot of
Speaker 1: casts talk about the history of West Coast hip hop,
Speaker 1: but they don't bring up one of the meccas in
Speaker 1: the place that without this place, none of this ship
Speaker 1: would be moving. And that's the Roodium swap Me a
Speaker 1: brother named Steve Yannold. This is where like this, this
Speaker 1: is the swap me where you could go to the
Speaker 1: swap meet and see easy E, doctor Dre spinning ice
Speaker 1: Cube on the mic. DJ Yellow. Everybody knows Steve, this
Speaker 1: is the radiom and this is this is this would
Speaker 1: change my life. So I had the ice Ta tape
Speaker 1: that whole weekend, my mama started going to the Rodium
Speaker 1: swap me, and and my parents had just separated, and
Speaker 1: so now she's on trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: beat a single mama. She young, she l a single mama.
Speaker 1: So she like, I'm gonna go to swap meet. I
Speaker 1: know you like music. I'm gonna stick you at the
Speaker 1: music store, right I drop you off. I'm gonna drop here.
Speaker 1: I'm just right there, Mama, be all gone. Don't if
Speaker 1: you leave. We knew man. Let me tell you, man,
Speaker 1: I remember the first time she took me, my first
Speaker 1: blink of I and the first record I can think
Speaker 1: about was Christmas Rap and then Public Enemy, and then
Speaker 1: Steve came to me and said, man, man, you like rap?
Speaker 1: You ever heard of Easy E? And I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is a guy who's running there Steve Janno. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: doctor Dray Boyce knew. Everybody knows Steve Jannald. The ones
Speaker 1: know who I'm talking about. The ones that don't know.
Speaker 1: That's why they That's why they music, because they history
Speaker 1: and they foundation shaky. That's why they records to this
Speaker 1: day is shaky. It all counts. But so Steve Yannold,
Speaker 1: and it's like, uh, I said, easy E. But I said, well,
Speaker 1: I think you played boys. He played song called boys. Nuh.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah. Because my cousins that lived in Bakersfield,
Speaker 1: I had two fine cousins, right, I got a gang
Speaker 1: of fine becausin been in the eighties though the basket
Speaker 1: Waves and you know what with the dope billers in LA.
Speaker 1: But they were from Bakersfield. So my mom would send
Speaker 1: me to Bakersfield for the summer. I remember coming back down.
Speaker 1: We would take the Greyhound bus bus and get get
Speaker 1: off and downtown and they would tell my mom and them, uh,
Speaker 1: cousin louis coming to get us. But it always be
Speaker 1: two niggas with Jerry Crolls and loud music and Nissan trucks,
Speaker 1: just like eighty six eighty seven. I never forget so
Speaker 1: we hoping they'd be like, oh, now I know I'm
Speaker 1: in the back of everybody, sitting next to the cousin
Speaker 1: the shoulders moving. Now I know what's up. You know
Speaker 1: I'm older, but I'm like, oh, but I would be
Speaker 1: in the back of the figures. And I remember when
Speaker 1: I first heard and woke up quick at about noon,
Speaker 1: just thought that I had to be in confidence song
Speaker 1: Nigga my eyes. I was a kid. I said, what
Speaker 1: is this? And then it when I'm about to damn man,
Speaker 1: when blond young nigga got the path throwing up gangs.
Speaker 1: I just remember and when he said throwing up gang songs,
Speaker 1: the two niggas in the cars they threw up their
Speaker 1: hood and we was going down cripshaw and I just
Speaker 1: got so infatuated with that song and these crips going
Speaker 1: to show with this music because my dad that it
Speaker 1: was jazz and the Hawkins, it was you andre crowds.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I'm not with I was
Speaker 1: a kid and I was like sowing back to what
Speaker 1: what And they started letting me say, cuzin around this this.
Speaker 1: Now I know that they turned me out, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, because because and my cousins say, now, when
Speaker 1: we get off the car terry, don't tell your mama
Speaker 1: who came and got us. So I ain't saying nothing.
Speaker 1: If we could do that again, nothing, So man, I
Speaker 1: started hanging with them, young man. The dudes are all yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they off off. And I grew up in that neighborhood anyway,
Speaker 1: but uh, that was that was the time anyway. Going
Speaker 1: to the rodium swapping, Steve Banna said, you heard it
Speaker 1: easy to Eat And this happened a week ago. But
Speaker 1: I didn't know the artist's name, and I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I was young like. He got like
Speaker 1: a sore voice, sound like a soword voice. Is his
Speaker 1: name Sore Void? And he plays this and he played
Speaker 1: the remix again. Then he was like, I'm goa he
Speaker 1: this record. He was like, it's a radio version on
Speaker 1: the other side, that's what you play. But he went
Speaker 1: and winked aside, and that record, I tell Doctor Traider's story.
Speaker 1: I took that record home and being being my mom
Speaker 1: was in the process of learning how to be a
Speaker 1: single mom. He's working, so she didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of time. So I'm playing all the cussing. Now I'm
Speaker 1: full fledged wearing loaks in the mirror, Cortes in the mirror.
Speaker 1: You seven. I'm telling my mama, Mama, how come we
Speaker 1: not from Compton? Why are we not from Compton? Why
Speaker 1: are we easy from Compton? Why? I want to be
Speaker 1: from where easy from? So I would get good grades,
Speaker 1: man and her treatment to drive me. She would drive
Speaker 1: me in front of the Compting sign when I was
Speaker 1: like seven eight because I was like infatuated. Then watch this,
Speaker 1: Watch how God work. So at eight years old. By then,
Speaker 1: my family's in the music business. My aunties do all
Speaker 1: the background at this time for Nita Baker, for any
Speaker 1: Cravis to Perry says, we're so at this time, we're
Speaker 1: going to all the concerts. I'm I'm now I'm the
Speaker 1: child in the black kid in the industry, drawing up
Speaker 1: with the other black kids in.
Speaker 3: This initial Mama side though, my mama side, so now
Speaker 3: we're all singer and daddy side is a musician, all musicians. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: I had a funny joke.
Speaker 1: But family looks at this. I won't say fucked up joking.
Speaker 1: One sized writers, one side of the musicians, and it's
Speaker 1: very obvious. But uh so I'm at the Universal Amphitheater
Speaker 1: and at this time, this is a this is deep too,
Speaker 1: This is this is deep. I ain't gonna bust no
Speaker 1: tears on this one, but this is deep because it
Speaker 1: had to be eighty eight. It's had to be eighty eight,
Speaker 1: and uh eighty eight was deep because crack cocaine I
Speaker 1: hit La tough at that time. Crack cocaine was like
Speaker 1: everybody was affected by crack cocaine. And if you're around
Speaker 1: that air, everybody either if somebody was selling it or
Speaker 1: doing it, or one of your cousins you thought was balling.
Speaker 1: When you figure out what happened to Leroy Leroyd and
Speaker 1: tested this shit, it was a typical story. People were
Speaker 1: selling phone cords, people was tearing off roofs trying to
Speaker 1: sell you know, VC ours was you know, niggas was saying.
Speaker 1: There was cableman with gas station shirt song trying to
Speaker 1: get into the house. It was crack was running, rapping
Speaker 1: and the music that was that was soothing everybody and
Speaker 1: making sure black people dance was one man named Teddy
Speaker 1: Roley with new Jack Swing at that time, and so
Speaker 1: my mom would always play that album The First Guy Out.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget, and that was eighty seven. It came
Speaker 1: out eighty seven and she played out of New Year's
Speaker 1: part of New Year's e Party eighty seven, going in
Speaker 1: eighty eight and piece of My Love Autumn type records.
Speaker 1: But going back to this concert, so eighty eight comes
Speaker 1: guys coming to the concert. The tour is Guy was
Speaker 1: the headliners Empty Hammer with two big mc kidding play
Speaker 1: and kwame this with the tour and we was at
Speaker 1: the Universe with theater. I was in the pit, and
Speaker 1: I was in the pit. I was always in the
Speaker 1: front row. Now I'm kind of used to it, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, we about to see Guy. I'll never forget. God,
Speaker 1: come on. They used to come on with the sheets
Speaker 1: like this, Joe Hayron then playing journal. They used to
Speaker 1: come on with the sheets where you couldn't see crowd screaming,
Speaker 1: and ain't they started doing the running man. I remember
Speaker 1: I'm looking up and a joint dropped from somebody's head,
Speaker 1: a joint, and I seen it and I picked it up,
Speaker 1: and my mama right there, Teeley, my cousin Teey was
Speaker 1: right there. I picked it up and I looked up
Speaker 1: and it was Eric. It was easy e it dropped
Speaker 1: out of his ear and I went and I remember
Speaker 1: looking at him and he said, man, he said, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be here the whole night. I'm like yeah, He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you backstage. When we went backstage, it
Speaker 1: was Doctor Dre. He's I remember going to Easy I
Speaker 1: still got the Raiders hat sign he signed, and he signed,
Speaker 1: they all signed my rail sid and he said, stay
Speaker 1: in school. Listen to your mama at the joint.
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay in school though, Yeah, you didn't understand school
Speaker 3: after that day.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just now now we just talk. I'm just
Speaker 1: bringing I even thought about that till now. Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Did you give miss Dray back? And did you smoke it?
Speaker 1: I gave it back? Well, I gave it back and
Speaker 1: he talked to my mom that day. See here, that's
Speaker 1: a cool little man. He gave me back my joint.
Speaker 1: He said, when I was smoking his age. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was cool my mom. My mom
Speaker 1: still remembers that because I was so infatuated with Easy
Speaker 1: Eata you know what I'm saying, Like you know, and
Speaker 1: then just with doctor Dray and then when Straight out
Speaker 1: of Compton came out and ice Cube, and we used
Speaker 1: to see ice Cube right around the neighborhood in a
Speaker 1: Suzuki Samurai because he grew up less than a mile
Speaker 1: from where we all come from, so we to see him.
Speaker 1: He's like, we see the ice cube, you know, But
Speaker 1: what's good about l A. You grew up seeing that,
Speaker 1: you grew up seeing to go battle Cat and that
Speaker 1: duley man he put he get his haircut there. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait there because I don't want the plug
Speaker 1: from this other nigga because he's trying to get some money.
Speaker 1: I'm away at the barbershop for battle Cat at good
Speaker 1: friend's barbershop in the VNS. I'm gonna walk from the
Speaker 1: six sous and walk to the VNS and wait for
Speaker 1: battle Cat right there. So when he sees me, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm serious because I'm waiting for him in the vans
Speaker 1: and I found him how to tape damn? What's up
Speaker 1: to tape beats? Waiting my life to see battle Cat man,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, is this point I was a little older.
Speaker 1: I was I was seventeen right then. I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: And is.
Speaker 3: That your first I'm like, obviously you've been playing with
Speaker 3: you know you on this circuit. Yeah, but is this
Speaker 3: your first kind of entry into trying to get into
Speaker 3: the music business side of it though, because like you said,
Speaker 3: you got a tape of beats at seventeen before that,
Speaker 3: you just is jamming.
Speaker 1: This is my first This is my first entrance into
Speaker 1: like battle is a fancy car, fresh jewelry, fresh clothes.
Speaker 1: He's with snooped all. This is the door and battle
Speaker 1: Cat has given me so much information and teaching me.
Speaker 1: So he's giving me so much to where it's like
Speaker 1: I'm just like even I'm so spiritually in debt to him,
Speaker 1: but it's like I'm it's just like he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: studying with him. So I take it he likes your beats. Yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 3: There's another side to that of if they don't like
Speaker 3: your be yeah, you don't get these opportunities.
Speaker 1: You know what I was But at that point, you
Speaker 1: know the good part about me being such a focused
Speaker 1: musician at that because at that age I'm already playing.
Speaker 1: Though at that age, I'm I'm I'm playing. I'm already
Speaker 1: in the jazz clubs, I'm already the midnight musicals, I'm
Speaker 1: already playing with Andrew, I'm already with I'm already I'm
Speaker 1: already on the whole other thing. Club Tank was going
Speaker 1: to to hear, ay, I'm already, young God. My my
Speaker 1: teachers is Billy Higgins Andrew Gus. I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm La. I'm already moving. But when I told you
Speaker 1: I saw Warren Campbell with that Mercedes bro that changed
Speaker 1: my life? What what do you mean? Wasn't nobody pulling
Speaker 1: up like that? And I'm from La, so I like
Speaker 1: all this. I like everything, you know. I like everything
Speaker 1: they teach us not to love and not to like.
Speaker 1: I like those things you know, meaning finances. I like
Speaker 1: the freedom money allowed you to have. I like property.
Speaker 1: I like buying my children things. I like food, I
Speaker 1: like him from I like shit, I like nice ship.
Speaker 1: So so my my whole head, all my life weren't
Speaker 1: waiting for the meek to inherit the earth. When I
Speaker 1: when I saw Warren with that bance, I followed his program.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, if I know anything, I know to
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up and follow a program. So I
Speaker 1: followed this program. I start reading his credits. Did that
Speaker 1: quit battle cay? Hmm? If he feels like that about that.
Speaker 1: I need to I need to something. So what did
Speaker 1: I do? I prayed to get with them, like I
Speaker 1: prayed to get with Snood Dogg. I like I knew
Speaker 1: I was going to I knew I was going to
Speaker 1: get with battle Cat. I knew I was going to
Speaker 1: study with DJ Quick. I knew these things because at
Speaker 1: this time it just wasn't nobody of a fan and
Speaker 1: the level of studying with production and frequencies and signing
Speaker 1: things at my age as I was, because I was
Speaker 1: into knowing who Dave Aaron is the tracking engineer for
Speaker 1: all eyes on me? I was. I wasn't just into
Speaker 1: knowing who played the mini move. I was into knowing
Speaker 1: who was the second who passed the eleven seven, who
Speaker 1: passed the prison, who patched? Who whose decision wasn't for that?
Speaker 1: I was yeah, because I because I wanted to know why.
Speaker 1: And then LA got tricky because I want to know
Speaker 1: why niggas said they was good because my dad from
Speaker 1: the East Coast. I also going back and forth to
Speaker 1: the East Coast a lot where the focus wasn't about
Speaker 1: finances and it was about the face value. Are you
Speaker 1: a bad motherfucker? Wraether you in church? You in the club.
Speaker 1: Can you play? It was just about that. It wasn't
Speaker 1: about who you was with, what gigy was on, how
Speaker 1: does your watch shine? How do you smile? How many things?
Speaker 1: It wasn't about none of that. Can you play tonight?
Speaker 1: And can you bring emotion to the table. If you can't,
Speaker 1: you irrelevant. That's where he was coming from, you know.
Speaker 1: So I had that in me. So when I got
Speaker 1: through La because my dad used to talk crazy shit
Speaker 1: about LA musicians horrible. I used to hate it, Like, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm from LA. You have me corner just motherfuckers, you know,
Speaker 1: twirling sticks and dance corny, you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, i'd be like ya.
Speaker 1: I think I like everything he says. He doesn't like.
Speaker 1: I like that, you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 1: just you know, man, just yeah, where was we at?
Speaker 1: You said, don't get too high. You showed a way
Speaker 1: too late. I smoked to join the car, wrote you
Speaker 1: showed a way too late.
Speaker 3: You are a real musician, though, this is this is it,
Speaker 3: This is this is what. And people don't get to
Speaker 3: see real creatives, right, They get to hear yeah, real creatives,
Speaker 3: but like seeing a real creative, bro. Like, that's why
Speaker 3: you were so important for us to bring on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Your your resume is your resume. But and I don't
Speaker 3: think you know this when I when I call you,
Speaker 3: I call you about being a creative Yeah, when we talk,
Speaker 3: because I know that I'm tapping into a source for me.
Speaker 3: And I have no problem saying that openly and honestly.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Look, we never talk about
Speaker 1: the ball game. No, we never talk about the ball game.
Speaker 1: I have great ballgame talk to No.
Speaker 3: We like when I when I call you, it is
Speaker 3: to tap into a source of real creativity and the
Speaker 3: mind of somebody who lives music. And people don't always
Speaker 3: get to see that. And that's why I said you
Speaker 3: were so important for us to bring on here.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because this is unscripted, we
Speaker 1: don't do you know what I mean? Like, Man, I've
Speaker 1: been waiting to get on this show.
Speaker 3: I want I want you to I want you to
Speaker 3: forget the stories in the middle of the story.
Speaker 1: Sometimes Yeah, and then it comes to you. It come
Speaker 1: to you because you know it's the these are we
Speaker 1: talking about in the late nineteen hundreds, Man, We're talking
Speaker 1: about something like you know you know this is funny.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to play Nissan used to try to
Speaker 1: give me on so many gigs. Nothing was coming through
Speaker 1: for a while, Right, I'm gonna try and get the
Speaker 1: horns and get the horns and get the horns, and
Speaker 1: you know, the horn is always last. That's why I
Speaker 1: started playing keyboard a whole bunch whole snoop. Really be
Speaker 1: cracking to get the horn section. Yeah, you gotta have
Speaker 1: a real budget. Yeah, real budget budget. You know. You know,
Speaker 1: y'all not cheap, bro, The horn section is not cheap.
Speaker 1: I'm never in the horn section keys no now.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying it goes. It goes your basic
Speaker 2: four piece, right, maybe you maybe you get some money
Speaker 2: double up on the keyboard player, and then when you
Speaker 2: get a little extra.
Speaker 1: Change, the percussionist comes in.
Speaker 2: The percussion you're a percussionist, and then you get.
Speaker 3: Harmed because horns is like to me on the outside
Speaker 3: of like y'all super musicians, right, I do music.
Speaker 1: It's a difference. So for me, I look at whenever
Speaker 1: niggas got a horn section. Oh, the niggas is no.
Speaker 1: That's I'm like, like, I mean, when you see a
Speaker 1: band of when you see an artist. When you see
Speaker 1: an artist with a full band, when you see an
Speaker 1: R and B artist with a when you see a
Speaker 1: black arm and be artists keep going. You had a
Speaker 1: full band on stage. They care about the people. We
Speaker 1: ain't no money being got made. It's all for y'all.
Speaker 1: I got it, like I gotta do the l a
Speaker 1: show like this. I gotta do that, you know. It's
Speaker 1: it's when I see horn section and this, you know,
Speaker 1: when I started seeing dancers and horn sections, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, but the horn section is always, you know.
Speaker 1: And my job for a lot of artists is to like, Terrris,
Speaker 1: how can we make money and kill this? And my
Speaker 1: job is to say never mind. But my job is
Speaker 1: to protect a lot of the artists and tell them
Speaker 1: how to kind of cut the band but still give
Speaker 1: the same effects so they can make money for their family,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't know when you have
Speaker 1: a band sometimes, I mean other than the huge top
Speaker 1: five arena artists, right, but but having a band and
Speaker 1: usually with an artist. For me, even being a touring artist,
Speaker 1: is because we loved the fellowship and love the musicians
Speaker 1: on stage because sometime we're not even taking on half
Speaker 1: the money. I learned something by you a cup. Every
Speaker 1: time I bump in the Tank, it's on a flight,
Speaker 1: and to one time I was humbled because it was
Speaker 1: one of these flights that I was like, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be flying first class because I really can't afford this
Speaker 1: first class sticket. But I'm so used to doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it anyway. And Tank was on the
Speaker 1: same flight, right behind me on the Premium Plus with
Speaker 1: have the money, and this is Tank. That's when I
Speaker 1: told you premium Plus. I told you I saw Tank
Speaker 1: four times in the past five years with a pillow.
Speaker 1: I saw in Atlanta. I saw taking different. I saw
Speaker 1: him for nessing Dorp, at the people at the I
Speaker 1: saw Tank Tank as a well traveled touring artist. So
Speaker 1: that's why actually I say I saw Tank. No more
Speaker 1: first class.
Speaker 2: I gotta get early, build my mileage up Come on
Speaker 2: and I can I can get that comfort seat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and bet on the upgrade.
Speaker 2: Can you get if I don't get guess I still
Speaker 2: got a nice window. The TV show you what I'm
Speaker 2: leanked over sacks on me some cheese.
Speaker 1: It's and that way. That way you can still have
Speaker 1: the band.
Speaker 3: And you have a club membership where you can go
Speaker 3: eat before you get on the frame.
Speaker 1: So you good.
Speaker 3: That's that's really the difference on most first class flas.
Speaker 1: The food is the food. You get to eat some food.
Speaker 1: The only time I need first classes overseas.
Speaker 2: You definitely need first class. How many lay down Japan?
Speaker 2: Your you know you're doing those runs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're doing those runs. Now we you haven't
Speaker 1: been to your Oh, let's do the project together. Let's
Speaker 1: go a project of bat ballots. Robert loves his piano.
Speaker 1: The hey talks about that. Yeah, he takes record. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I heard it. Man, you know I'm gonna taken man.
Speaker 3: I was telling him the other day too, like I
Speaker 3: appreciate guys like you, Robert.
Speaker 1: Adam Blackstone, Oh yeah, Adam.
Speaker 3: Guys that are guys that are that are purest in
Speaker 3: your thing and in music, but that still can relate
Speaker 3: to a tank who is and this is this is,
Speaker 3: this is me just speaking freely.
Speaker 1: He got that same type of gift.
Speaker 3: But I think some musicians say because of the songs
Speaker 3: that he sings are the way that he looks singing
Speaker 3: those songs with his shirt off and all that other ship,
Speaker 3: I think he gets judged by that.
Speaker 1: But I don't think y'all do. But yere, but there
Speaker 1: are a certain section of these purists.
Speaker 3: Who are like, no, no, no, we can't, we can't
Speaker 3: include him. Yeah, I appreciate y'all for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that will he won't say that, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, Well, I mean, I mean, Tank is
Speaker 1: a proven generation bad motherfucker artists. Like it's just he's
Speaker 1: done all the all the proper steps from he's done
Speaker 1: it's steps to this ship. Yeah, because I'm not giving
Speaker 1: this ship up for all the no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no no no, no no no. We're talking
Speaker 1: about it. Man. You said some years ago on Sway,
Speaker 1: uh uh you said, uh about publishing. People just want
Speaker 1: to publishing. You said, man, you better write an idea.
Speaker 1: You better come home some you better come like just
Speaker 1: give me something. Yes, Like when you notice like the
Speaker 1: like Tank is in the class of its own, and
Speaker 1: usually what happens is is like nobody wants to be
Speaker 1: confronted with the truth. Mhm. You know, it's that's hard.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's that's hard to no matter what the
Speaker 1: theatrics are, what the pyro is, what the that's that's
Speaker 1: a hard emotional thing to know. You was talking about
Speaker 1: it man with your lady the night before, and you
Speaker 1: gotta go on after this man. But he just stripped
Speaker 1: the whole band because they missed the flights because we
Speaker 1: had to get them certain tickets because you know, be
Speaker 1: like that. But he just he put a piano out
Speaker 1: there and just tank you only got four minutes. And
Speaker 1: then he decides to do something like he looks in
Speaker 1: the front five six rolls and see all these beautiful
Speaker 1: women and all these men on their phones, not paying
Speaker 1: it until they women, and he does, I can't make
Speaker 1: you love me. And no matter your pyro, your flips,
Speaker 1: even your hits, you can't fight the heart. You can't
Speaker 1: when people when somebody has a gift musically to make
Speaker 1: the heart, to make another human's heart, do things that's
Speaker 1: more powerful than the ear. We all the ears, physicals
Speaker 1: and muscles, you go on and you know when you
Speaker 1: get older about but the heart, you never forget how
Speaker 1: something make you feel. You know that and that so
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of people don't got time for that.
Speaker 1: They don't got time to make people feel like anything.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get to the next thing, and you know,
Speaker 1: and that's a reminder of you gotta practice, you gotta practice.
Speaker 1: He's practicing every day. He's singing every days in the gym.
Speaker 1: That's a serious mind. You I'm from the era of
Speaker 1: serious musicians, like are very physically in shape, Like it
Speaker 1: doesn't go one way. Like my father was like, because
Speaker 1: I'm not like my dad. My dad was a run
Speaker 1: three mile this prote you know, till I remember when
Speaker 1: he couldn't even walk and he was like that Dad,
Speaker 1: what you doing? He was like, I'm working out because
Speaker 1: the blood got to go somewhere. He's working out his hands.
Speaker 1: The blood gotta go somewhere. Wow. And when he couldn't
Speaker 1: move his hands, he started doing his eyelids like he
Speaker 1: would read charts and do the claping count with the
Speaker 1: eyelids every day, every day, every day. So it's like tank,
Speaker 1: I I come from a line and from a thing
Speaker 1: where that this this is a product of a this
Speaker 1: is this is a real this is R and B.
Speaker 1: You know that's really what it. He embodies that, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are just worried about
Speaker 1: everybody that embodies the truth. You know, these are my
Speaker 1: opinions and you know, these are my opinions. He's are
Speaker 1: in law. These aren't anything. But I do know, you
Speaker 1: know what Herbie always teaches me and Quincy always teaches me.
Speaker 1: It really is like everybody has their book. Everybody book
Speaker 1: is completely different, and one of the worst things we
Speaker 1: could do is pay attention to someone else's book and
Speaker 1: timeline because everybody's got a book. It's like, you, man,
Speaker 1: you know how this shit go. Man, they're not going
Speaker 1: to tell you the shit or we say till we go.
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the prices you pay to
Speaker 1: make sure you're doing the right thing to them hearts.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's a miserable thing that
Speaker 1: I got so many friends that focused on the ears
Speaker 1: of their career, big houses, nice fast cars and this,
Speaker 1: and then I go visit their house and it's a
Speaker 1: new nigga this year, standing in the house they had
Speaker 1: in the same house. They you know the rotations, you
Speaker 1: know the rotation. Come on, y'all, we know the rotation.
Speaker 1: And I'm from here, so I grew. I grew up
Speaker 1: seeing the rotation, the same the same visitors, same people.
Speaker 1: You know. It's so hard for me to go to
Speaker 1: some of these award shows now, because I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: it's all these either are the same guys have been
Speaker 1: fucking everybody over twenty years. They still get the seats.
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing these days, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, man, you know, when it's the truth,
Speaker 1: it's very difficult. But when you got to stay on
Speaker 1: that path, Miles David stayed on the path, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, James Brown stayed on the path. He was
Speaker 1: a bad motherfuckers man without the memes and the funny
Speaker 1: should that go around. Now, the serious of these of
Speaker 1: these catch is serious, man, you know. So as you
Speaker 1: start to move into this space of.
Speaker 3: Music business, right the recording side of the music business, producing,
Speaker 3: making your own projects, doing this whole thing, because now
Speaker 3: that that's a whole other world. We all know this
Speaker 3: is what is your first taste of success, and you're My.
Speaker 1: First taste of success is really sitting down figuring out
Speaker 1: a plan. And I remember when I got done, right
Speaker 1: my mother fucking playing what I'm gonna do. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna follow. I'm gonna look at Nissan and Rapture
Speaker 1: and Warren Campbell. Nissan Rapture was doing beats and was
Speaker 1: I mean, it was playing for everybody. Then they hustled
Speaker 1: up on the beat thing moved, they moved, they moved
Speaker 1: through the musician shit. Warren Campbell was playing on everybody
Speaker 1: record and ended up making the name. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: Warren got that bends. I mean, he didn't stay in
Speaker 1: the musician touring chair too long. So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't stay here too long. And uh you know
Speaker 1: that was that was like, really the the the real
Speaker 1: thing is, let me use the saxophone. All those saxophones
Speaker 1: my first love and my love I love Charlie Parker,
Speaker 1: John colechran SONI instead cannaball Adlie, Eddie Clinton and Vincent.
Speaker 1: I love the saxophone. But I also grew with a
Speaker 1: single mom in the South, like whatever daddy that played jazz,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't one of the famous guys, Like he
Speaker 1: wasn't going to Japan like me and my friends are.
Speaker 1: He wasn't also lucky, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I'm aware of what I what. I like this jazz shit.
Speaker 1: I like this, I like this. I love this, damn bro,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go to the Marina to the movies.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the Jays and I got a
Speaker 1: baby at fifteen. I got his mom on my head,
Speaker 1: shot out on the car, his mom on my head.
Speaker 1: I'm like, she on my head. Bro, She's like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna work at toys r us. I'm like, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing none of that. I'm gonna be a famous jazz musician.
Speaker 1: Got me fucked up, but I'm gonna make it. I
Speaker 1: was saying that, but in my head I was like this,
Speaker 1: Josh is I just it's sounded good, you know, man?
Speaker 1: So I really followed what I would like to hope.
Speaker 1: I think I followed that Warren Campbell and that I
Speaker 1: follow portions of the Warren Campbell and the Nissan and Raptor.
Speaker 1: They were the closest ones I seen be a musician.
Speaker 1: And then my boy, my friend that really put me
Speaker 1: on with Snoop was a brother by the name of
Speaker 1: Marlon Williams, a guitarist like the like all the records
Speaker 1: I've done with Kendrick Travis Scott, Snoop and my whole
Speaker 1: catalog for like sixteen years of catalog music. He is
Speaker 1: the guitarist that's writing the guitar parts. Like not just
Speaker 1: playing on top of my harmony one note lines. He's
Speaker 1: writing parts that if you solo them, the crowd will
Speaker 1: sing like King Konna, all these different records, just you know,
Speaker 1: if these walks just drill deep records. So he was
Speaker 1: already with Snoop, you know, And I never will forget
Speaker 1: because I was like, man, I need to get with Snoop.
Speaker 1: I needed because I messed with when I was sixteen
Speaker 1: and I heard him say, Lok, I know he from
Speaker 1: Long Beach from twenty Crip. I'm involved, I'm involved in
Speaker 1: I'm involved in the Crip card, the crib Nation. So
Speaker 1: I know, I know if I get with Snoop and
Speaker 1: Snoop find out that I'm a musical guy that come
Speaker 1: from that thing, that is familiar with that thing. And
Speaker 1: I was like, if I could get with Snoop, you know,
Speaker 1: I never asked battle Cat to put me with Snoop.
Speaker 1: I never asked none of them guys to put me
Speaker 1: with Snoop. Marlon Williams, I said, man, I gotta get
Speaker 1: with Snoop, you know, because I was always a real
Speaker 1: respectful musician because I grew up with musicians, so I
Speaker 1: knew not to overstep my boundaries. If a producer called me,
Speaker 1: I knew when I was a musician to leave when
Speaker 1: it's time to leave. You were just you were there
Speaker 1: to play session. That's why I work so much. I
Speaker 1: knew how to shut the fuck up and keep pushing
Speaker 1: keep my job because I saw a lot of musicians
Speaker 1: that I grew up. My uncle's in different family that
Speaker 1: was very opinionated people, you know. And I saw how
Speaker 1: opinions didn't work too well in the workforce in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: People arguing over pins the most stupid shit in the
Speaker 1: fucking world. So I knew then to shut the fuck
Speaker 1: up if I want to work and make a living
Speaker 1: in La record culture. So I never asked battle Cat
Speaker 1: and none of them to put me with Snoop. And
Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask battle Cap for that because
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't want to be around Snoop and
Speaker 1: battle Cat. I just wanted battle Cat. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to share no time with battle Cat. I wanted to
Speaker 1: get everything I could. Battle Cat is enough of the
Speaker 1: star and still to this day he's he's I look
Speaker 1: at him the same way I look at Quincy Jones
Speaker 1: For me personally, you know, for me personally, I look
Speaker 1: at him as the architect. He's the guy from my
Speaker 1: neighborhood that was on the radio with Domino that whoa Okay,
Speaker 1: so we could still be us. But we could still
Speaker 1: be us, still be g with it, love our families,
Speaker 1: love God. If we got a trip, slap a niggas,
Speaker 1: we got a trip. But love music, you know. And
Speaker 1: he loved his He loved his kids, you know. And
Speaker 1: I used to love the fact he he loved because
Speaker 1: I back then, I'm from the air of you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't have no money. The baby mama was not
Speaker 1: fucking It was a bad time and in black history,
Speaker 1: I call it straight up, you know, And it was
Speaker 1: just money was driving the world where I didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of man at a certain age. So seeing
Speaker 1: battle Cat raised as kids really helped me maneuver with
Speaker 1: my children and they moms just to the best of
Speaker 1: my ability at that time. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But Marlon Williams uh Man, I mean, I'm at the GMW,
Speaker 1: a Gospel Music Workshop of America. I'm doing credit card fraud.
Speaker 1: I'm flying choirs out on fake credit cards. I'm hustling,
Speaker 1: but I'm also but I'm also playing with God's problem.
Speaker 1: I'm playing now, I'm scamming for me, not the chuck.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna put God in that. It's great. So
Speaker 1: I was at the gmw A and it was in Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: and back then I was doing credit card fraud a lot.
Speaker 1: I got in trouble for that. When I was trying
Speaker 1: to make my way to be a musician. I want
Speaker 1: to fly places and meet up with the homies, So
Speaker 1: I knew how to run the plays. You feel me like,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be broke if the horn break, if
Speaker 1: the music stopped me, I ain't gonna be broke. That's
Speaker 1: what I ain't gonna do. I ain't grow up like.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna even move like that. So I was
Speaker 1: just trying to get it, not to do anything other
Speaker 1: than my music career and the fly the homies out,
Speaker 1: the fly keyboards out. And you know, we did have
Speaker 1: I went to jail for this. So we had these
Speaker 1: fake business cars that it's a Dog, the travel agent.
Speaker 1: So if we ever get called by the police, we
Speaker 1: gave him the car like man. We didn't. We didn't
Speaker 1: know we got the ticket from Dog. But come to doubt,
Speaker 1: dog bad idea so I flew about five choirs out
Speaker 1: to the GMW Way, but for some reason they return
Speaker 1: tickets didn't work. They got stuck, and I'm there and
Speaker 1: I'm there on these tickets too. But now I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get the car. I'm like, don't trip. Let me
Speaker 1: get back to my hotel room because I got a
Speaker 1: sweet you know, I got my see to my laptop.
Speaker 1: I'm u. Back then, it wasn't no fast internet, so
Speaker 1: I had to go to Kinko's a lot. Yeah, feel
Speaker 1: me surviving. So I'm like, don't trip. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: all y'all homes. Just just I talked to Homie. I
Speaker 1: just tell them, tell them, mister glitch cud, we're gonna
Speaker 1: work it out. Just tell him, pray we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: It's nothing. But when I go back to my room
Speaker 1: to get on my laptop to do the un my
Speaker 1: card ain't working. And then I'm like, but now, let
Speaker 1: me tell you. When you when you're doing that life,
Speaker 1: you gotta believe in the in the whole thing. So
Speaker 1: you like, they made a mistake. So I go down
Speaker 1: I can't make this ship up. Many I go downstairs.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, my keys not working, and they said, oh,
Speaker 1: wait right here, that's what you're supposed to leave when
Speaker 1: you committed, because this is when we was you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of god what And I was like, get
Speaker 1: the manager, are you gonna do that? And my sense
Speaker 1: in the room, my horn, my bags, everything's in the room.
Speaker 1: So I called my dad because my dad's living in Minneapolis, right,
Speaker 1: I said, Dad, the thing just boned out. I need
Speaker 1: you to pull up and just I'm gonna say some
Speaker 1: shit to go and get. I'm gonna say I got asthma.
Speaker 1: I'm about to fake this asthma atack. I'm about to
Speaker 1: get into this room and get my ship. I need
Speaker 1: to pull up, get this back door. I'm'na hopp in
Speaker 1: the car. We're gonna bone out. And this is when Sprint.
Speaker 1: I was doing the burnout phones with Sprint. No next
Speaker 1: till to burn out the chirps, right, So I'm like right,
Speaker 1: so I never forget. They let me out, like, well
Speaker 1: we will, we'll iron out the payment. But let me
Speaker 1: get my asthma ship. We'll iron out the payment. So
Speaker 1: I went up got my ship. That's why to this
Speaker 1: day I keep my shit be by the door. Get
Speaker 1: got my ship. Hotel, my dad waiting to hop in
Speaker 1: the car as I'm getting the car. Because I told Marlon,
Speaker 1: if Snoop needs a nigga to roll his blunts, take
Speaker 1: pictures to wipe his shoes, to carry the luckas Marlin
Speaker 1: had been with Snoop since ninety five and tour him
Speaker 1: with Snoop forever. So Marlon was the real plug for
Speaker 1: all of us to any bit of celebrity anything. So
Speaker 1: I said, if Snoop me anything. So a year later,
Speaker 1: Marlin said, Hey, Snoop want to try horns. He want
Speaker 1: to try horns. I said, what you mean horns? I said,
Speaker 1: I said, what you mean? He like he wants you
Speaker 1: to he I got it. Situation, try horns. She said, hey,
Speaker 1: just to burnout, he said, he keep your motherfucking beats
Speaker 1: in your pocket. Do not do this gig to give
Speaker 1: him beats. You do this gig to do a good show,
Speaker 1: to mention the music is right. If you do this wrong,
Speaker 1: you're gonna fuck up any window of giving him any music.
Speaker 1: Don't be the typical musician fucking up the moment and
Speaker 1: rushing the moment because you feel like it's your moment.
Speaker 1: You're it is, You're I'm going to get this or
Speaker 1: it's never gonna happen in it. Just chill, you're already in.
Speaker 1: Just chill and man. And for a year I had
Speaker 1: a back pocket full of beats, and every day I
Speaker 1: just go this minute, snoop, just look at me the
Speaker 1: wrong I was right. So one day we was rehearsing,
Speaker 1: I flew back and oh mind you, I'm in the
Speaker 1: car running. I never got back to choirs. That's why
Speaker 1: I left the gospel, my gospel career alone. I left
Speaker 1: them all there, so I had to come back to
Speaker 1: l A. Wait. Wait, I never figured out the choirs.
Speaker 1: I see something to this day. Everything cool now. But
Speaker 1: they made it back. They made it back. Shout out.
Speaker 1: They know me. I was young. I was young. I
Speaker 1: was just doing my thing. I didn't mean no harm.
Speaker 1: But you gotta know if she is a real discount
Speaker 1: crazy rate, like, come on, I fly back. My mama
Speaker 1: sent me the money. Mama, send me money, fly back.
Speaker 1: I ain't got no money. Please whatever me your money, Mama.
Speaker 1: I can't talk to you. You know what I'm involved in.
Speaker 1: Get me back home, mama, because they could the police.
Speaker 1: I just I want to go back and I want
Speaker 1: to with Snoop. This is I've been praying. So that's
Speaker 1: the chirp you get. Just the church, Hello, Mark like
Speaker 1: a nigga, get back to La tomorrow. We gotta rehearsal
Speaker 1: Snoop on a horn section what I'm out of God's property?
Speaker 1: Fuck them get back the dog, won't you. I'm on
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 3: Because I probably can't talk to God's property this because
Speaker 3: I did you out because they're stuck in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I came back. We rehearsed s I R my first time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I just how old are you at
Speaker 1: this point? Nineteen? Oh, your baby nineteen? Right now. I'm
Speaker 1: not letting a nineteen year old nigga book my ticket anyway.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm just not. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you somebody respectfully, back in those days, you gotta say,
Speaker 1: back in those days, you know every you know, the
Speaker 1: Black Church is a real culture. Man. Discounts is a
Speaker 1: real thing, discounter real thing.
Speaker 2: Well was a discounting No, No, I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: you gotta get to it.
Speaker 1: You gotta get how much did they pay you?
Speaker 3: Because they paid him on twenty five fifty most ever
Speaker 3: got a Sunday was one fifty fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sat big. Did you even get that? Did you
Speaker 1: get that? It started off at twenty five. He's from
Speaker 1: the East coast though, Like that's you you, that's I
Speaker 1: mean the campers play, I mean the biggest guys just
Speaker 1: I played for. Like, that's just more of the l
Speaker 1: A was always different. It's like I feel like LA
Speaker 1: had more of a business culture. Nineteen Yeah, close to
Speaker 1: for sure. The music going out here for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen twenty for me, those three years I was
Speaker 1: at Church oft the Harvest and for a week for sure.
Speaker 1: I remember ninety eight, I was getting twelve hundred a week.
Speaker 1: That's five serve because I was selling for Donald Hayes
Speaker 1: for three years. He went on on a play god
Speaker 1: for plays was a real Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Church Harvest was the first mega church I'd ever been to.
Speaker 3: Oh that's the real in my life.
Speaker 1: It was real, man. I never seen nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I knew I was making money because I ran the
Speaker 1: car for three years. What I was making Church, I
Speaker 1: was getting paid. I was making I was like twelve
Speaker 1: hundred bucks a week. I didn't have no rent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just cooking. I'm just hanging trying to get the
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg Wow, still trying to get out the church,
Speaker 1: though still trying to not play in the church, still
Speaker 1: doing rebel shit like like like I was doing because
Speaker 1: because like mcclennan was on TV, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't be known as as I don't want to
Speaker 1: be known as a church dude, like I don't want
Speaker 1: to be known as the jazz dude. I want to
Speaker 1: be known as a musicians. So what I'm gonna do different?
Speaker 1: So I was always early with like I'm gonna die
Speaker 1: my hair fire engine red because I'm directly behind the camera.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die my hair bright red so everybody could
Speaker 1: see me because we're on TV. I ain't got nothing,
Speaker 1: no mystery, that's TV, that's business. I was on that thing.
Speaker 1: We cut the cameras off. Your were on TV. I
Speaker 1: gotta be seeing like you know. But so church I was.
Speaker 1: I was, I was making and then I grew up
Speaker 1: and then like Andrew guhat my mentor, I was doing
Speaker 1: like whatever Donald Hayes didn't want to do. I remember
Speaker 1: me learning, trying to learn so many Donald hayes uh
Speaker 1: way of playing because he he knew how to play saxophone,
Speaker 1: where I've seen it creates real estate, you know, high
Speaker 1: notes and grace notes and knowing how to play those
Speaker 1: gospel tunes like be grateful and like really knowing how
Speaker 1: to pull out the like the spear come through when
Speaker 1: he plays. So I was like, oh, I see, I see.
Speaker 1: So I just always saw Donald Hayes rock crowds and Andrew.
Speaker 1: Andrew wasn't doing no these the wasn't local church dude.
Speaker 1: These are innovators, animals. Yeah, so I was on. I
Speaker 1: was young and really not worthy at all, but I
Speaker 1: was on. They gig, you know whatever Donald didn't want
Speaker 1: to do. I do them all. You know, I do everything.
Speaker 1: You know, Donald was the only dude and getting bread
Speaker 1: all the records shout out to Donald Hayes. Man shot
Speaker 1: Donald Hayes like for real, Like, yeah, so you end
Speaker 1: with Snoop? When does he hear it beat? I'll hear
Speaker 1: it go. Yeah. I did one whole tour with Snoop
Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Pepper tour, three months. I didn't say
Speaker 1: ship played my role, kept it cool. Uh, I got
Speaker 1: close with it. When we got back. We built a
Speaker 1: relationship and I ended up staying staying with him, just
Speaker 1: always going to his house, just pulling up and then, uh,
Speaker 1: one day I remember he was a it had to
Speaker 1: be one of the days he You know, everybody knows
Speaker 1: if you when Kobe was playing a Laker game, Snoop
Speaker 1: is not dealing with music when the Laker games playing,
Speaker 1: when the Laker games on, and we used to live
Speaker 1: so far. By the time I get to Snoop's house,
Speaker 1: the Laker game had just starts. So and I'm not
Speaker 1: leaving right and I'm not that much into sports, but
Speaker 1: I learned through this. Like you know, when Snoop says yeah,
Speaker 1: you say yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I feel like I want to say, I
Speaker 1: want to say. I want to say one night the
Speaker 1: Lakers lost or something like that, and uh, I just
Speaker 1: happened to be there with the beat, and you know,
Speaker 1: he would always playing video games and Nate Dog be around.
Speaker 1: And then I remember asking the engineer play some beats.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he means like pre existing because now I'm
Speaker 1: trying to listen for the clues because I don't want
Speaker 1: to because Marlin said, don't don't don't, don't pre do it,
Speaker 1: don't suck it up, So I don't want to suck
Speaker 1: it up. So I'm listening for the cues. I'm like
Speaker 1: the beat. And then the engineer took a little while
Speaker 1: and then he just for something. It must have been god, bro.
Speaker 1: He just turned me and said, you got any beats?
Speaker 1: And I was like, and I remember this exact day.
Speaker 1: He took the b said, I said, these are eighteen beats.
Speaker 1: These for you. I made these for these feet, these
Speaker 1: for you, like these for you. He probably thought I
Speaker 1: was weird because I was like, I'm built to work
Speaker 1: with you. I am, I'm built to work with you.
Speaker 1: I prayed to work with you at twelve, like I.
Speaker 1: So he like then. So then he says, he said
Speaker 1: I could do whatever I want with these beats. I
Speaker 1: said yeah. He say, these beats are all mine. He
Speaker 1: said yeah. He said again, I could do whatever I
Speaker 1: want with these beats. I said yeah. And the start
Speaker 1: of me and his relationship of me by myself without
Speaker 1: being a ghost keyboard player like I was for years
Speaker 1: on a lot of a lot of major producers by
Speaker 1: the time I got when he said that, it was
Speaker 1: at the time we also met a young man by
Speaker 1: the name of Sycamore, and Sycamore was really influencing Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg back then on doing mixtapes and Snoop has started
Speaker 1: this series called Welcome to the Church series and it
Speaker 1: was tearing up the streets at LA and the first
Speaker 1: important series, the ones, was mainly produced by a young
Speaker 1: terrorist Martin doing most of the music with a jelly
Speaker 1: roll and a battle cat and then he'll say my name,
Speaker 1: And then I was on the road with him. So
Speaker 1: then I start learning. So then I was saying in
Speaker 1: my head, I said, as I'm on the road now
Speaker 1: records just mixtape records. But I didn't need no money.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never, I never, I didn't need no money.
Speaker 1: I was. I'm just gracious you wrapped on the beat
Speaker 1: of mine. I didn't need no I would have I
Speaker 1: would have worked, I would have paid you to do this.
Speaker 1: I don't need no money. I'm just happy you did it.
Speaker 1: And I was on the road and I started doing
Speaker 1: things like how I got on so many records. I
Speaker 1: start seeing, you know, most musician behavior on the road
Speaker 1: with the artists is either go back, go hang by themselves.
Speaker 1: Some go eat with the guys. Some try to hang
Speaker 1: out laughing joke with the artists. I hate those guys.
Speaker 1: They laugh and joke with the artists, you know. For me,
Speaker 1: I knew that Snoop stayed in studios in LA, but
Speaker 1: it was no studio for him on the road. So
Speaker 1: I convinced the security cars. I said, man, can I
Speaker 1: ride the security bus? And the securities was intense. Nobody
Speaker 1: wants to ride a streep. I said, man, can me
Speaker 1: give me and my friend k Kmoski Washington Kmosity ride
Speaker 1: the security bus because I told you, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bring a studio. But he didn't know I was doing this,
Speaker 1: so I lie and told security, Yeah, Snoop said it's
Speaker 1: cool for me to bring the studio. Because now now
Speaker 1: I'm finessing because now I'm knowing he don't talk to
Speaker 1: the excuse he's a start. He talks to him, but
Speaker 1: about security him. He's not worried about the studio with
Speaker 1: these guys. So I'm already like, this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. So I'm like Snoop saying, man, let me
Speaker 1: get the whole back of the bus so I could.
Speaker 1: I could because this is before this is the inbox. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I still have to bring a power supplier. It's it's
Speaker 1: no soft sense going on right now. So I had
Speaker 1: that studio on that bus, and I just know every
Speaker 1: Snoop because now that I'm already in with Snoop, I
Speaker 1: still respected Marylon. Marlon was still with me the whole way,
Speaker 1: and I said, what should I do? Now? Should move?
Speaker 1: He'd be like, when we get to the next city soundcheck,
Speaker 1: you make sure you sit at that keyboard and whatever
Speaker 1: song Snoop sing, you better know it. And if he
Speaker 1: sing a song, you play a song that he knowing
Speaker 1: that keyboard. After that he gonna be fucking with you.
Speaker 1: And then tell him, man, I got a studio on
Speaker 1: the bus, let's get out. So I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: this is like some some other shit. The snoopid Gun
Speaker 1: sound checks and do a blue Magic song and do
Speaker 1: a temptation. He's a he's a walking DJ. So I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I don't have as many years of music.
Speaker 1: But at this point I grew up playing the Townhouse
Speaker 1: and play black clubs, black weddings, Like I know all
Speaker 1: the songs I need to know for a black wedding,
Speaker 1: a baby shower of anything. I know all the so
Speaker 1: I know your songs. I know I know the songs.
Speaker 1: And he starts singing, what song did he start singing,
Speaker 1: hold on, oh guy. I think it was God will
Speaker 1: take care of You. About the Hawkins, it was some obscure.
Speaker 1: It was some like esoteric song that you had to
Speaker 1: have like a love a live album to know this.
Speaker 1: And it just so happened to see how God do
Speaker 1: he put me ride in place? I had just spent
Speaker 1: a year studying this music with with Robert but See
Speaker 1: Wright and Dallas R. C. Williams, Sean Martin. I had
Speaker 1: just left Dallas for a year studying with all the
Speaker 1: gospel baddest motherfuckers in the world and knowing all the
Speaker 1: Hawkins songs. So I was white when he said God
Speaker 1: will take care of You and the band started playing it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, right after I said, hey, I
Speaker 1: got a studio on the bus because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: fuck with you. I'm on the bus. He like, you
Speaker 1: got a host on the bus YEP. So he started
Speaker 1: making that security bus park in the It was I
Speaker 1: was looking like, you know, the whole bus with parks
Speaker 1: or snoo could get to the studio early, you know,
Speaker 1: and I would be the only engineer on the bus.
Speaker 1: And that's how we really bonded. Studio. Then when I
Speaker 1: got back to La, I would go to his house
Speaker 1: because I wasn't going to Snoop Dogg for placements. See
Speaker 1: that's where everybody got it fucked up. I wasn't. My
Speaker 1: quest wasn't to come out on records with Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1: My quest was to be next to him and just
Speaker 1: figure out what can I learn from him? What can
Speaker 1: I how can I learn? My goal was never how
Speaker 1: many records I got on Snoop. If that was my goal,
Speaker 1: I probably would have a lot more. My goal was
Speaker 1: to be around and be a service, no matter what
Speaker 1: I was doing for Snoop. If Snoop needed the baddest
Speaker 1: musicians in the world done a cat Robert Glass for this,
Speaker 1: if Snoop needed that, blah blah, same thing for Kendrick.
Speaker 1: It just so happens. I'm I'm you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: very good record producer and musician. But if I could
Speaker 1: just fellowship the vibe, that's my thing, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that's my gift, Fellowship the vibe. You know, that's
Speaker 1: kind of my thing. Man. You know. So I think
Speaker 1: with Snoop we really bonded because he see I didn't
Speaker 1: want nothing, you know, I didn't need nothing because I
Speaker 1: didn't know I didn't need anything. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what nothing about. I was just happy that I
Speaker 1: had food and I could be traveling the world. And
Speaker 1: I know, damn well, this man could do this shit
Speaker 1: with a fucking MP three and they still gonna come.
Speaker 1: I never would forget. The band sounded horrible one night
Speaker 1: cause niggas was being funny. If the band they was
Speaker 1: being funny, there was being you know, when band members
Speaker 1: get paid a little late, they be little attitudes and shit.
Speaker 1: But but now Snoop, he didn't build me. I'm five
Speaker 1: years now. He got me. I care about the whole program.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, yeah, we gonna uh nah cause
Speaker 1: I know so many people when I go back home,
Speaker 1: they would love this. They would love this. You know.
Speaker 1: That's when you see Snoop was the first one I had,
Speaker 1: me and the band Kama seeing the band, Thundercat in
Speaker 1: the band, Robert S. Bussey right in the like, Snoop
Speaker 1: is the fucking Billy eckstein oft this shit. And if
Speaker 1: you know about Billy Ecksteon, you know Billy Extern had
Speaker 1: Disney Gillespie. Billy extn't had Miles Davis, Charlie Parker. Snop
Speaker 1: is that without without Snoop, any equation, Los Angeles is
Speaker 1: nothing musically, not rap. Rap is one part of Snoop
Speaker 1: Doggie Dog, the franchise, the whole thing of UH. The
Speaker 1: death Row and the Snoop are are the ones that
Speaker 1: hired all the musicians. That's what hired all the musicians.
Speaker 1: The musicians was so mad when when Roger Lynn put
Speaker 1: out that fucking drum machine. They were so mad when
Speaker 1: the Lyn drum came out because drummers lost work. They
Speaker 1: were so mad when the Yamaha DX seven came out
Speaker 1: because horn players lost work. They were so fucking mad
Speaker 1: and depressed and broken hearts, families getting lost, people live
Speaker 1: in hotels. It was dark. Death Row came that kind
Speaker 1: of music, you know. It was when you have a
Speaker 1: hit record with live music on it on the baseline.
Speaker 1: Now those local musicians in that town, they got to
Speaker 1: play that record at that club. So you when you
Speaker 1: have a hit record with live mentionruments, you supplying the
Speaker 1: job for other people. Craig Craig Brockman taught me that. Hmm.
Speaker 1: He said, every time you play a horn on the record,
Speaker 1: or you play an instrument. We are supplying work for
Speaker 1: the cats. Never leave the cats behind them. They make
Speaker 1: the ship tick, they make the shit tick. Ain't about
Speaker 1: the money, because it ain't. It ain't never been about
Speaker 1: the money with me, even with Kendrick, I've just been
Speaker 1: on all the records. But that's my friend. I care
Speaker 1: about that guy because he's so gifted before it, but
Speaker 1: I've always cared about him. You know, I just want
Speaker 1: to be I just know, if you on the vibe,
Speaker 1: you good. Get to the motherfucking vibe. People people so
Speaker 1: busy trying to get to a spot without they trying
Speaker 1: to you know, the sponsors there. Just get to the vibe.
Speaker 1: And if you you know, you'll get for make room.
Speaker 1: If you're a bad motherfucker, if you all talk, you'll
Speaker 1: be the god bringing the bottles all the time. We
Speaker 1: need them too. But you ain't making no decisions, bringing
Speaker 1: no motherfucking bottles. Buy my own damn bottles, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Mm hm oh yeah. So let's get into this. Because
Speaker 3: you went, you went, you went. You segue into Kendrick
Speaker 3: and your work with Kendrick. You were, you have been
Speaker 3: a very instrumental part of just the tde family one,
Speaker 3: but especially with Kendrick and then when you guys get
Speaker 3: to to Pimp a Butterfly, that's when to me it
Speaker 3: felt like, Okay, they're fully in sync at this point
Speaker 3: and in popular rap you had never heard that type
Speaker 3: of musicianship in a long time. I won't say ever,
Speaker 3: but like cause Snoop and death Row had that right,
Speaker 3: But in between that, it really wasn't a lot of
Speaker 3: you hear no horns on records. You hear no you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like you did you just that
Speaker 3: that feeling?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that feeling at that level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I felt like Kendrick was taking a real
Speaker 3: chance because it could have just been written off of
Speaker 3: like ah, yeah, that's just too musical and too creative
Speaker 3: and that ain't really what this thing is. I feel
Speaker 3: like he figured out a way to merge the worlds
Speaker 3: and you were a big part of that. What was
Speaker 3: the conversation behind you know, like to Pinper Butterfly, it's.
Speaker 1: It's a uh, you know, when you're really in sync.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't trull with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: When I do decide to come outside, it's with herb
Speaker 1: be Handcock because I learned so much. Okay, you you
Speaker 1: are lost in today, he said, handcut. That's that's the
Speaker 1: only side I'm not being. That's the only side. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be to Herbie forever because I'm in dead
Speaker 1: to him. But uh what Herbie always says, like, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure both of y'all notice touring that third week
Speaker 1: when everything started taking shape, everything started where you ain't
Speaker 1: gotta look behind you, you ain't gotta It's like, even
Speaker 1: if you make a mistake, your guy is and everything is.
Speaker 1: It's just you're not even thinking about it. You are
Speaker 1: not even going you They're not even going to sound
Speaker 1: check right now. It's just it's flowing for what the
Speaker 1: mic is there? It's just there? Uh with with me?
Speaker 1: With the TD guys, mhm. Top and Punch are masters
Speaker 1: of getting a bunch of borderline insane crazy people in
Speaker 1: one room that all have loud voices and figure out
Speaker 1: a way where we all follow a common goal. I've
Speaker 1: never seen leaders like like Topping Punch in my life. Punch,
Speaker 1: I'm Top, definitely Punch, I'm close to Punch, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Just I've never seen leadership done like that,
Speaker 1: you know, I've never because we was difficult to deal
Speaker 1: with it. You don't know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: One day we all said out with Punch. We was
Speaker 1: he could tell you some stories like oh man, ha
Speaker 1: oh shit. But the I'm saying that the conversation, it
Speaker 1: was never a conversation because we've been in sync for
Speaker 1: so long. We've been in sinks since the mixtape. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, like I produced the first record for them
Speaker 1: to get the deal at Warner Brothers. That's how long
Speaker 1: it's to start. It's not a I'm not coming. It's
Speaker 1: like we just hear you know. That's how God, that's
Speaker 1: how the creators just they put us together. Like which
Speaker 1: is crazy to me when you think about to Peper Butterfly,
Speaker 1: because finally, after all these years, I was able to
Speaker 1: use everything from the relationships to the skill level to
Speaker 1: the breaking rules. I was finally able to use everything.
Speaker 1: You know, most of the records I've done, even though
Speaker 1: it has been great success. You know, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I love him. I love him when they especially when
Speaker 1: they make money, love them. But it's you know, some
Speaker 1: records you're more connected to, you know, Uh, the conversation
Speaker 1: with to Pip a butterfly wasn't really so it was.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of loose conversation. A lot of things
Speaker 1: was going on in time, and you know, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of that's when the police had
Speaker 1: really started turning back up on the Brothers and the
Speaker 1: news was getting crazy, and hip hop was had a
Speaker 1: weird little stand still. Everybody was kind of sound the same,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was heavily influenced at that time
Speaker 1: by jazz. We was just I mean, one day I
Speaker 1: walked in he was rapping. I was like, man, you man,
Speaker 1: you like a jazz musician. Man, you rapping like Freddie Hubbard.
Speaker 1: And you got one song you sound like Woody Shaw,
Speaker 1: And you got one song you sound like classic Clark Terry,
Speaker 1: and you got one where you sound like you playing
Speaker 1: Don Cherry Freeze. You just made all these rhythms because
Speaker 1: one day I got I got high as fucking I
Speaker 1: transcribed the Kendrick solo. I just wrote it out and
Speaker 1: I stood it next to a couple of my favorite
Speaker 1: cold training solos that I've transcribed in my earlier days
Speaker 1: of transcribing, and I was like, oh, this is deed
Speaker 1: that has to be ancestral recall this kid, don't even
Speaker 1: this de don't know no Cold Train records that that's
Speaker 1: that has to be ancestral recall, that has to be
Speaker 1: that's weird. And as we start going there and he start,
Speaker 1: you know, I never forget what wanted this story will
Speaker 1: say everything. The horn up until that record was like
Speaker 1: it was starting to make you know, but the horn
Speaker 1: was always I never bought the horn in the record
Speaker 1: sessions because in LA record culture, you come with you.
Speaker 1: If I'm a record producer, producer and artists R and
Speaker 1: B artists, they ain't going on the fucking saxophone. At
Speaker 1: this time. The a't gonna know if I'm alto they
Speaker 1: singing alto what I fuck? They won't me. They don't
Speaker 1: do no, no, they don't want that. And the horn
Speaker 1: is it was deemed as two musical to this. It
Speaker 1: was to this, to that, to that. So I remember
Speaker 1: when sound Wave and Kendrick we was in the studio
Speaker 1: and they brought up the record, Uh, we gonna be
Speaker 1: all right, And I remember hearing that record like he's like,
Speaker 1: I want you to play on this record. I'm like,
Speaker 1: the fuck do you want me to doing this? Bro?
Speaker 1: Like you know, because even even I'm so free. But
Speaker 1: even up until this point, I'm kind of a separate thing.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like my production is this guy, because
Speaker 1: that's a different set of jokes, that's a different restaurant
Speaker 1: you're going to, that's a different perfumea wearing, that's a
Speaker 1: different kind of boss talk in that world. I've always
Speaker 1: kept those worlds separate until to a butterfly. I've kept
Speaker 1: my friends separate, like got some wild mother fucking friend.
Speaker 1: And then they said, man, nah, just play, you know,
Speaker 1: And I started playing on it and I was playing
Speaker 1: with I assume that people want to hear side form
Speaker 1: player off rap and you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: Dying Wave said, man, look, man, play that ship that
Speaker 1: we you play like this the chance this a for
Speaker 1: real baby, just and even then I was like, man,
Speaker 1: for real, don't like people playing all this ship because
Speaker 1: I know, for real, you know what I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, Man, maybe I should ask them in my head,
Speaker 1: I asked for real first, and they was like, man,
Speaker 1: were doing this record. Man play on this record and
Speaker 1: think about how many people we're gonna help. Think about
Speaker 1: what's going on, think about what we're saying. Think about
Speaker 1: what's going on in life, like this ain't a record. This,
Speaker 1: this a this this this, this is where we at.
Speaker 1: This this where we at. Just if we this is
Speaker 1: where we at, We're gonna we could get them. We could.
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, the concept was we you
Speaker 1: gotta get the message across. However, you got to get
Speaker 1: the message across. Yeah, you know that horn, That horn
Speaker 1: speaks to the struggle. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm sure the record before the horn had
Speaker 2: a good amount of soul and spirit to it, but
Speaker 2: that horn, yeah, puts something that automatically sent you into
Speaker 2: a space of reflection, like it just made you think
Speaker 2: about some ship intensely. Yeah, that's what that horn did.
Speaker 2: That's what that horn does. Every time I hear it.
Speaker 1: That was intentional. Yeah, that that spirit that talk that
Speaker 1: that like, man, it's fuck this music, it's some's some
Speaker 1: life things going on that's before we Before we are
Speaker 1: musicians and ours, we're human with sons, fathers and some
Speaker 1: other ship that ain't got nothing to do with this
Speaker 1: SSL and this crazy electric bill and it's some ship
Speaker 1: that ain't got none to do that. People going through
Speaker 1: in Omaha, Nebraska, which you talk Kansas and Baltimore, like
Speaker 1: it's people going through ship that ain't got nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the life we live, and it's more of
Speaker 1: them than what we're doing. So that that was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've been I've been through a lot of different
Speaker 1: struggles as we all have it being you know, being
Speaker 1: like that, but that it was it was more like
Speaker 1: a continue on conversation. But as we got deeper, I
Speaker 1: remember I started being like, Okay, this kid is crazy.
Speaker 1: He started hey. He's like, hey, I want to do
Speaker 1: something jazzy. I'm like, yeah, okay, let me get the
Speaker 1: drums out. He's like, no, no, no, I want to do
Speaker 1: like some shit. I'm like okay. I started playing ideas
Speaker 1: like that my Memories. It was a brand from Marcelli's
Speaker 1: record that was playing the minor blues with Kenny Kirkland
Speaker 1: on piano, Jeff tang Wats on bass, Jeff taint Wats
Speaker 1: on drums, Forgive Me, Jeff tang Wats on drums, Bob
Speaker 1: Hurst on bass, and he was digging out and I
Speaker 1: was like, just what you like? And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, if we do this on this album,
Speaker 1: this is gonna help so many musicians. If I write
Speaker 1: the right piece of music. Once again, you're not forgetting
Speaker 1: the catch. Yeah, if I write the colds, if I
Speaker 1: write little what And I remember the night before because
Speaker 1: I was like, nigga tomorrow'mnn come in five ideas. I
Speaker 1: got you. But I was like, damn, this is pressure.
Speaker 1: The rapper asked me to write a jazz song. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I said, my daddy always taught. He's like
Speaker 1: and went in doubt. The blues, the blues don't never
Speaker 1: fail you. The blues. The blues sing, the blues, play
Speaker 1: the blues. You gotta hear the blues. We love you
Speaker 1: because we hear the blues in your music. You know.
Speaker 1: I told camera, we we love that Coco Jones song. Uh,
Speaker 1: I see you because we hear the blues in that.
Speaker 1: We hear the praise and worshiping that. That's why we
Speaker 1: love that song. We hear that. Yeah, yeah, connected to it.
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I remember I was hired as
Speaker 1: fuck watching MO Better Blues all night because that's what
Speaker 1: we was on, Like MO Better Blues, that's like my movie.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I gotta I gotta put like this shit.
Speaker 1: Gotta feel like South, It gotta feel like our shit.
Speaker 1: It gotta feel like South Central it came. It gotta
Speaker 1: feel like what It gotta feel like our best expression
Speaker 1: of what we lived. Because one thing I know about
Speaker 1: my brothers and sisters in the art world, the jib
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, like, it's not
Speaker 1: about money. It's about clues. It's about clues and little
Speaker 1: keys that people could take from that and open another door.
Speaker 1: So my thing was what how many clues? What can
Speaker 1: I and what's gonna help Kendrick. So all these thoughts
Speaker 1: was going through my head. And when I wrote, I remember,
Speaker 1: I was so serious that this was and I could
Speaker 1: have taped it, but I didn't. The only person that
Speaker 1: has me writing this music and going up with this
Speaker 1: band on tape, Kendrick was taping the whole session with
Speaker 1: his phone. He the only one. And I remember the
Speaker 1: first the top of it's a song called for Free,
Speaker 1: And I remember, and I remember because my boy marlind
Speaker 1: he don't play jazz and Craig Brock don't play the
Speaker 1: style of jazz. I was writing. But these are geniuses
Speaker 1: and I was hanging now here go to l a ship.
Speaker 1: I'm hanging with these niggas every day. He was my folks.
Speaker 1: So writing the studient, I'm like, I gotta write apart
Speaker 1: for them. So that's why the topic goes. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Craig and Martin gonna kill that part. But
Speaker 1: then when the band get to going, y'all fall back
Speaker 1: and y'all gonna let these these hunters go hunt. Yeah, Roberts,
Speaker 1: but see right, Brandon owns Robert Glassper. We're gonna hunt
Speaker 1: for a minute. And when we started hunting, I remember
Speaker 1: that ship was fast and then we slowed it down.
Speaker 1: We got a good groove and Kendrick, I'm gonna send
Speaker 1: you out a picture of that night. Kendrick uh So
Speaker 1: Sissor was there too, Kendrick was. He put the mic out,
Speaker 1: so you want to go on the booth. Bro He's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, I want to record right now as we write.
Speaker 1: He's writing right now, right now, right now. And then
Speaker 1: when that first light said this stick came free, I said,
Speaker 1: the jazz is gonna hate me. Yeah, I know what
Speaker 1: do you know? What I'm saying it that that that
Speaker 1: record helped a lot of people. Man, it helped, it helped,
Speaker 1: you know. And I did Thundercap myself and it was
Speaker 1: able to like fly low he went and got you know,
Speaker 1: he had been we had been doing music together. But
Speaker 1: this I feel like this was the time I was
Speaker 1: able to incorporate everything I've learned thus far in my
Speaker 1: in my music, Catalitee and my social and my showing
Speaker 1: up on time. Because Punch Punch will tell you the
Speaker 1: story about good Kid, Mad City, how we were so
Speaker 1: friends when Kendrick first started blowing. It was so new
Speaker 1: and fast, be like, man, you better come on this album, Man,
Speaker 1: come on, man, and I you know not taking it
Speaker 1: that serious, right, I'm gonna show up. I'm gonna show up.
Speaker 1: Punch was so mad at me. So I finally showed
Speaker 1: up and end up being on a decent far the
Speaker 1: album right, but but I did? Yeah, madd City real Uh,
Speaker 1: Few and Few I forgot, you know they're they're thereot.
Speaker 1: But but what which is one of my favorite songs?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 3: That's one of my not only just one of my
Speaker 3: favorite Kendricks. Some people know how and collectively Kendrick put
Speaker 3: together a super team.
Speaker 1: It's not just like you hear my stamp and my
Speaker 1: different my imprint on different things more than others. But
Speaker 1: it's a super team where it's like even with me,
Speaker 1: like my shit is not working on Kendrick record without
Speaker 1: a sound way being next to me. Because when they
Speaker 1: tell me go as far as you want to go, man,
Speaker 1: you're talking to a person that don't even believe in
Speaker 1: the ocean. I only believe in the world. I only
Speaker 1: believe this shit in. So my sense as far as
Speaker 1: is a little different. But you got a god that's
Speaker 1: in between me and Kendrick like wave that's say you
Speaker 1: go far right there, We're there with you, and I'm
Speaker 1: like cool, And they still always allow me to go
Speaker 1: as far as far as more far than any other artists.
Speaker 1: A lot of artists called me in to work with them,
Speaker 1: and they always want to work with me based off
Speaker 1: my history. But then what you hate that when they
Speaker 1: never want you to do what you do, but they
Speaker 1: call you based off your they just.
Speaker 3: Want the same thing, the same thing, yeah right, because
Speaker 3: I mean that's just been a tried.
Speaker 1: And true yeah. But it's like if you.
Speaker 2: If you want the same process, that's different because you're
Speaker 2: always gonna get a different result.
Speaker 1: By the way that process. Now let's talk that talk
Speaker 1: real quick. Now this is this is Jimy Evan's exit record,
Speaker 1: This is the end of This is the Thing of
Speaker 1: the Butterflies, not a It's not a Garage Earth the
Speaker 1: Inexpensive album at all. It's it's a guy saying I
Speaker 1: want to try strings on the record. Can can we
Speaker 1: just try them? And commansies writing for strings while we're
Speaker 1: having union stream players waiting all day to get charged
Speaker 1: at all, the having all the major studios locked down
Speaker 1: for years. So it's a very to be that free.
Speaker 1: Is so expensive to be able to gamble with. So
Speaker 1: it's to be able to say even as a business
Speaker 1: I'm a business owner, you know, if I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the numbers with the artists, if I'm like, okay, you
Speaker 1: want to do what you want to get? We like tears,
Speaker 1: Tears is good, yeah, Boom album, feeler, god good. He's
Speaker 1: gonna keep boom boom, lining up, playing on the records.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play on the hits Boom yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But how much of tears you want? Like to do
Speaker 1: those kind of things? And they say whatever, is like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So those those those things
Speaker 1: are expensive pieces of real estatement.
Speaker 3: You know, And you have to start from a business standpoint,
Speaker 3: you have to look at the ro Oi event. For
Speaker 3: people that don't understand what that means.
Speaker 1: That's the shout out to Top and Punch and everybody.
Speaker 1: Dave a lot of meetings with me, sure because because
Speaker 1: also my job is as a record producer. A record
Speaker 1: producer is just to help the artists get to the
Speaker 1: finish line. So a lot of times Kendrick would say
Speaker 1: he wants easy, I want all these boom boom boom
Speaker 1: boom boom, and I'd be like done, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: check with nobody, and I'd be like, you know, Top
Speaker 1: New call me in the room and what is this.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, he's a genius. The genius is expensive
Speaker 1: to genus. Did you learn that from Quincy? I just know,
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew. I got so much love and
Speaker 1: respect for Top for forgiving me opportunity and dealing with
Speaker 1: so much mishap for me, uh but just being always
Speaker 1: there for me as a big brid's a business man.
Speaker 1: Very He's taught me how to be very firm, because
Speaker 1: it's just it's just yes or no, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think his his leadership is a big part of
Speaker 1: them records. Absolutely, he would be in them studio when
Speaker 1: he and them studios, you know, because I'm like the
Speaker 1: party homie, because I'm like the older brother to the homies.
Speaker 1: I'm like at this time, I'm like, I'm the middle
Speaker 1: child in the game, but I'm the older bro to Kendrick.
Speaker 1: And now so I'm seeing I've seen all the mishaps
Speaker 1: and then I'm kind of I'm kind of jaded a
Speaker 1: little bit at this time. Right, so I'm coming to
Speaker 1: the you know, tequila every night, the classic vis couple
Speaker 1: of homegirls pull up, just sit in the corner, watch
Speaker 1: me do beats all night. You know the vibe and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So Top Top was very Uh his
Speaker 1: presence didn't make you want to invite nobody. I'm just saying, now,
Speaker 1: you didn't want to and they got studio rules. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: it's rules. And you know, I'll be trying to be
Speaker 1: like the bad cousin, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: Top man, uh nah man. I remember he had he
Speaker 1: only told me one time, and one time I had
Speaker 1: some might show up to a studio session that I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have had. We was a serious night and I
Speaker 1: had a homegirl come come pick me up, but I
Speaker 1: left before she came just dumb shit, right, And I
Speaker 1: remember when she came by, he left, and then Top
Speaker 1: came and said, hey, hey man, I didn't tell you
Speaker 1: to invite anybody to the studio. You gotta invite and
Speaker 1: he said it that's simple. But it felt like a
Speaker 1: thousand words to me. And I said in my head said,
Speaker 1: I said, don't fuck off your opportunity with this man.
Speaker 1: He's giving you opportunity, respect to shit, pay attention, ter hers,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But that the TV thing
Speaker 1: was like college to me, like it's so many things.
Speaker 1: I and that's the first crew that that that I
Speaker 1: seen a few million dollars with. That's the first crew
Speaker 1: like they you know, like like like them dudes stay
Speaker 1: they stay down if you if you love him, they
Speaker 1: rolling with you, you know what I'm saying. And that's
Speaker 1: the first crew I really like. With Snoop, I saw
Speaker 1: the world. I saw my craft get better. I saw
Speaker 1: this with the and and the blessings because of the
Speaker 1: of the things that we've done, thank God in history
Speaker 1: that have helped the others and been able to help
Speaker 1: us financially. Is it's been a well maintained thing as well.
Speaker 1: And that's so rare to say in business. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, especially from a producer and a musician standpoint,
Speaker 1: But you gotta tell top what you're doing before you
Speaker 1: do the beat. I'm gonna play keys, bass, saxophone because
Speaker 1: he in tune and that's what I learned from him too,
Speaker 1: be in tune. Punch the same way. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like the TDS is like a university. This
Speaker 1: should be a university if people are ever so blessed
Speaker 1: to go through that tutelage. Because these are brothers that
Speaker 1: didn't grow up playing music. See this is different. These
Speaker 1: are brothers that consciously said, we gotta figure this shit out.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do with the music? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is Punch saying. You know, Punch
Speaker 1: is one of the best songwriters in the world, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest things because ever and I've worked with
Speaker 1: all of them, all of them, and for Punch to
Speaker 1: to to sit back and give his tootelage to to
Speaker 1: j Rock Q Dot to app just to his like
Speaker 1: his view is so and they're all great em seeds.
Speaker 1: But it's like that crew is so magical.
Speaker 3: I look at I look at Punch as this generation's
Speaker 3: d OC. Yeah, and what he meant to death Row
Speaker 3: with the tutelage that he gave to the younger mcs,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, that's how I look
Speaker 3: at Punch, Like he gets it.
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh yes, an executive that no no
Speaker 1: no no no no no.
Speaker 3: This is an artist that understands the executive side and
Speaker 3: that is willing to give of himself for someone else's game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of us don't do that. He's
Speaker 1: definitely coming under the umbrella. What if I've seen this
Speaker 1: before in my career. It's like I'm a little older
Speaker 1: than you know, so I grew up under like General Buzzby,
Speaker 1: you know these things. But Punch is reminded me of
Speaker 1: if I was reading a history book. It will remind
Speaker 1: me of like Today's on his way to being a
Speaker 1: progressive Claire's ain't about of today, because not only does
Speaker 1: he understand the music as the massive teachers did, but
Speaker 1: he also understands relationships. He understands politics, he understands he
Speaker 1: understands what people just care about. You know. He's really
Speaker 1: a great leader, you know, what I'm saying, and that's
Speaker 1: that's like we don't have we don't have leaders now,
Speaker 1: we don't have leaders. You know, we see what's going
Speaker 1: on with everything, we don't we don't have leaders, like
Speaker 1: a lot of the leaders at least like when I
Speaker 1: was younger, it was so many music industry leaders, you know,
Speaker 1: don't we don't have a lot of them right now
Speaker 1: that are really serious and not chasing the bag but
Speaker 1: care about. That's why the show is. That's why I
Speaker 1: be begging you. Yes I did cancel, but it was
Speaker 1: a real legitimate thing. I'm sure I don't remember, but
Speaker 1: I know. That's why this show is so important. And
Speaker 1: this this is the looser I've been on. Usually I
Speaker 1: have a whole thing, I know how to talk. I'm
Speaker 1: wearing glad you know, I got my whole shabamy. But
Speaker 1: this show is so important because in R and B music,
Speaker 1: other than a couple of cats an R and B,
Speaker 1: other than the cast that's in it, it's not talked about.
Speaker 1: Let me let me give you this clear. It's like
Speaker 1: the world needs to know that Davante's Duke Ellington. Like
Speaker 1: it's like R and B. Just now I'm saying, is
Speaker 1: getting talked about at a real point where I can
Speaker 1: see this in the schools being taught. I can see
Speaker 1: different cultures really understand the lineage and the history and
Speaker 1: why we do this, Why it's so important you to
Speaker 1: keep doing this? Why and soaring for me to keep
Speaker 1: doing what? Why? It's so it's okay to love something
Speaker 1: in the air of no love. It's okay to love something,
Speaker 1: and it's okay to be great and not just not
Speaker 1: just asks every week, what what are your monthly listeners?
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying. Fine, Wait, funny side story.
Speaker 1: I just did napp but the Napa Jazz Festival, and
Speaker 1: let me tell everybody about these this this monthly listeners
Speaker 1: ship for the motherfuckers. I hearna get out some gun.
Speaker 1: Eric Roberson, M hmm my god. That's my point. Very talented, talented.
Speaker 1: I saw him rock the Napa Jazz Festival from stage
Speaker 1: to the wall and get these people a crazy show.
Speaker 1: Everybody screaming with real fans. That's buying things. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I know what you mean. You go
Speaker 1: to monthly listeners or whatever whatever that new thing is
Speaker 1: people do, it'll make you think like he ain't doing
Speaker 1: that doing that. I saw it.
Speaker 3: But then on the flip side, the ones with all
Speaker 3: these monthly listeners can't go do with daddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know them, you know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: see them.
Speaker 3: You know, listen, once we once we get into computers,
Speaker 3: the numbers aren't real numbers anymore, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: all the whole the days of you know, the numbers
Speaker 3: don't lie.
Speaker 1: They absolutely lie. They're absolutely you know it don't lie.
Speaker 1: You know Michael Jackson videos with them people fainting and
Speaker 1: crying and shaking and that feeling emotion the people people
Speaker 1: don't lie, that feeling. I remember. I remember when I
Speaker 1: first saw Snoop dog I was sixteen, and he walked
Speaker 1: down the hallway and shook everybody I was. I was
Speaker 1: at Studio fifty six. I did school to go and
Speaker 1: just see if I could listen to Keith Crouch to
Speaker 1: a beat at Studio fifty six and Snoop had walked
Speaker 1: out the room and I shook his hand, and that's
Speaker 1: when I first met him, and he shook everybody's hand
Speaker 1: and said Snoop dog Snoop Dogg, like nobody knew who
Speaker 1: he was. Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Why the fuck I tell that story
Speaker 1: because that's a that's a moment in time for you though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also it also something that stayed with
Speaker 3: you as far as humility, I.
Speaker 1: Thought, Yeah, that's where I'm getting at, and that's that's
Speaker 1: like I never forgot that with him. He was it
Speaker 1: was about the people. It was beat and for Snoop,
Speaker 1: as we see.
Speaker 2: As about as international as he is, about the people.
Speaker 2: It's always about the.
Speaker 3: People, right, and they've always given back, always given back.
Speaker 3: Now that that that's what separates him from anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from anyone. He is. He's absolutely the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean because Snoop is everyone's
Speaker 3: family member and he supports everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he supports everybody. Energy is always amazing energy.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you something too, though, about what
Speaker 3: you're on now, Nintendo. So that Forever record Bro, Me
Speaker 3: and Knife wonder Ah, Bro, that's my boy. I love
Speaker 3: that rec Thank you man. I love that record, Bro.
Speaker 3: Thank like you got you.
Speaker 1: Got your you got your Roger Troutman on on there.
Speaker 1: I did that record sixteen years ago. What that record
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, fifteen or sixteen years old, I have
Speaker 1: to be doing music, bro, Warren Carroll told me, a
Speaker 1: recording artist job is to record every day. I'll be
Speaker 1: on the same page off this whole time. I'm recording today.
Speaker 1: I have a show tonight. I took a break book
Speaker 1: Larybie to record and go back to those shows. I
Speaker 1: record every day. Songs are my I look at songs
Speaker 1: and certain things as apartment buildings, little houses, little this little,
Speaker 1: that little that little that real estate. Bro. Every day,
Speaker 1: what I got to student? No house, Yeah that's what
Speaker 1: that's Yeah, that's how she get paid for I mean technically, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: on some way. So you know, I'm just speaking to
Speaker 1: me right now because I got to sit there at
Speaker 1: my house and I don't use it talk. Warren Campbell
Speaker 1: told me. Say it again. Warren Campbell told me, Warren
Speaker 1: Campbell told me that's a T shirt. If you artist,
Speaker 1: your job is to record every day. When he told me,
Speaker 1: that changed my life because I'm like, what else I
Speaker 1: rather I'm not driving a fork lift. Respectfully, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not the you know,
Speaker 1: you want to know work, the the it was a
Speaker 1: blackout in my neighborhood and the electricians that I got
Speaker 1: to climb on that thing with kids at home. That's work.
Speaker 1: That's work writing a song, whether I like it or not,
Speaker 1: because everything I write ain't good. Most of it is
Speaker 1: not good. But I get it out every day. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, you know? And I
Speaker 1: got different buttons from my work, like I know if
Speaker 1: I'm going into it, No, I don't have those buttons
Speaker 1: no more. I don't have no expectations, no more. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's also like.
Speaker 2: It's how I tell people when it comes to fitness,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, how do you always stay in shape?
Speaker 1: Like what do you do? What's your regimen? I said,
Speaker 1: My regimen is something? What do you mean by something?
Speaker 1: Every day? I do something something right. It don't have
Speaker 1: to be the most strenuous thing or I don't have
Speaker 1: to lift the whole gym, but some did something. I
Speaker 1: do something. I'm struggling with that. I'm struggling with that,
Speaker 1: the workout thing because because I'm that's just a real
Speaker 1: thing in my life because my father, I just know
Speaker 1: what health is and how important it is and everything.
Speaker 1: But I always struggle with like working out and then stopping.
Speaker 1: But right now I've been really meditating and just chanting,
Speaker 1: trying to just like like I'm going to I want
Speaker 1: to fall in love working out about deals in music.
Speaker 1: I want to fall in love with it, because I
Speaker 1: think that's like it's it's kind of weird for me
Speaker 1: to keep being his music guy and not be in
Speaker 1: loving all the My health is fine, but really I
Speaker 1: think if I'm helping people to clearn the music, I
Speaker 1: got to help the whole ring of things. Because the
Speaker 1: doctor said, man, my dad would have been there five
Speaker 1: years ago. The only thing I say to him is
Speaker 1: his core, the core, the core, the core, and I
Speaker 1: never will forget. My dad used to be like, you
Speaker 1: better some crunches, you fat motherfucker, so squatch or something. Boy,
Speaker 1: he lived five more years because yeah, it's healthy. It
Speaker 1: was like even when I mean, he was so strong
Speaker 1: from every day. He died at seventy six, so he
Speaker 1: stopped working out at like seventy right when he got
Speaker 1: real sick. But every day, man, he was for real,
Speaker 1: like doing something three times a day, squad. Like my
Speaker 1: earliest memory is listening to him listening to Cold Train
Speaker 1: with a forty five pounds weight and doing squats ore burpies,
Speaker 1: burpies squats and then practicing the drums. It never was.
Speaker 1: It never was health without music in my in my life.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I got that ship from hanging out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But yeah, the hell thing
Speaker 1: is real, like the food thing is real. Like that
Speaker 1: ship is so real. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: get your blood work, yeah, okay, yeah, your blood work.
Speaker 1: Some late night drinks, some stress, the musical nights, some
Speaker 1: tequilas hanging make you drink a lot of water. Make
Speaker 1: sure you eat. You gotta eat, because what do you eat?
Speaker 1: You got to carry around like a steak with nose
Speaker 1: with pepper on it. Carry it around though. You got
Speaker 1: a ziplock in my back pocket. Yeah, are you that
Speaker 1: guy that it's like I'm weighing the broccoli. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: He just does the work. Most duders are safe, don't.
Speaker 1: They eat burgers and everything. But I perceive I don't eat.
Speaker 2: I don't eat like I'm a moderation guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, I mean the fancy term is poor in control,
Speaker 2: but that's that's not really what I do. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't eat a lot of food naturally. So
Speaker 2: for me, with the work that I do, I actually
Speaker 2: should be eating more food. Wow, but it's hard for
Speaker 2: me to. I just had to just program them. Just
Speaker 2: worried that way to not eat more food. But I
Speaker 2: have my snacks.
Speaker 1: But you grew up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, plus because because it's like plus it was a
Speaker 2: balance for me. I wanted to play football and play
Speaker 2: for three churches.
Speaker 1: See you know what I'm saying. So so that tells
Speaker 1: me he just he wanted all. I mean, well at
Speaker 1: that time, I was you know, the Lord was first.
Speaker 1: I wasn't you know, I wasn't really about that n
Speaker 1: PC earlier. It gives you a different different level respectfully.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of guys be you know, they
Speaker 1: get intimidated by the athletes and everything. Like like a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of guys, I know you don't understand.
Speaker 1: We don't. I don't get that yet, but it's a
Speaker 1: real thing for I've always I remember just hanging out
Speaker 1: with a gang homegirls back in the day, and one
Speaker 1: homegirl let me know, she said, she's so cool because
Speaker 1: you just be making me laugh. I said, oh, just
Speaker 1: be a listener.
Speaker 2: And just hey, man, I started writing the secrets.
Speaker 1: Man, I start writing songs because you know, and I
Speaker 1: grew I love women. I grew up you know, my
Speaker 1: Mama raised me daughters. I love a woman. I respect
Speaker 1: the woman. I think women are the most powerful human
Speaker 1: beings on this earth. I think that the woman is
Speaker 1: so powerful. So I love them all the way. So
Speaker 1: I've always loved just to be connected with women. I
Speaker 1: love the point of views that I learned so much
Speaker 1: from them. So like I was always I always had
Speaker 1: a lot of homegirls, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: you know, I just used to learn so much. That's
Speaker 1: why I was writing certain kind of music like they was.
Speaker 1: I sit down listen to my homegirls talk, and they
Speaker 1: always say, Man, you know, dude, don't listen, don't listen,
Speaker 1: don't listen, don't listen. I said, all we just got
Speaker 1: to write a hundred songs about listening, right.
Speaker 3: No, Because the other part about it is, as they say,
Speaker 3: the gift will open the doors right, all doors the
Speaker 3: doors right. But there's something about and I talk about
Speaker 3: this here and there, there's something about magic. This thing
Speaker 3: that we do is magic. Jumping from the free throw
Speaker 3: line really ain't magic. I listen all due respect, catch
Speaker 3: the touchdown.
Speaker 1: I get it. I respect it. I respect it. You
Speaker 1: can learn that.
Speaker 3: You can learn that. You can't learn this type of magic.
Speaker 3: You can learn trickery because that's being that's a magic,
Speaker 3: smoking mirrors, that's that's that's trickery. With all due respect,
Speaker 3: this thing is not trickery. No, it's either you know
Speaker 3: how to grab it out the sky. You've opened up
Speaker 3: your porter, talk to talk. Are you having That's it,
Speaker 3: and that does and that has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: with a hit record. It's a feeling. I can sing
Speaker 3: something to you or write or play you something that
Speaker 3: I wrote that evokes feeling.
Speaker 1: I got you. Listen. He just said that whole crowd
Speaker 1: and Eric Roberson is magic, He's.
Speaker 2: I saw Eric Robertson at Howard University as a kid
Speaker 2: in high school and me, I'm the you know, I'm
Speaker 2: the vocal gymnast. I got all, I got all that,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And they keep talking about
Speaker 2: this Eric Robson. Okay, he probably cool. And I watched
Speaker 2: him play and sing.
Speaker 1: I don't think he had no shoes on. And he
Speaker 1: wasn't doing he wasn't doing all that ship I was doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing all that.
Speaker 2: He was in their souls focused and I'm looking at
Speaker 2: him like, oh.
Speaker 1: You what you're doing? You are? I need that in
Speaker 1: that bag. When I saw the whole crowd sun dresses,
Speaker 1: get the dance, I said, I need to make a subject.
Speaker 1: Ain'ted some covers and he's arranged. I'm like, he giving
Speaker 1: a show. He's a monster.
Speaker 2: You don't want to come behind him as well. He
Speaker 2: knows his gift, he knows what he got the millions
Speaker 2: on that one song. You don't want to go behind there, Robinson.
Speaker 3: Show because in this music thing, as it relates to people,
Speaker 3: there's no contract you can look up because the contract
Speaker 3: don't matter. I don't care what Kendrick Lamar makes other
Speaker 3: than the music that he makes. I don't care about
Speaker 3: the money that he makes from it. I don't care
Speaker 3: that Prince didn't own his masters in the beginning. It
Speaker 3: didn't matter because when Purple Rain came on, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 3: when Darling Nicky came on, you better talk that talk,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, let's let's be let's
Speaker 3: be real with this thing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: When Sexual Healing came on, I go, there's no way
Speaker 3: I'm not googling the contract that was connected to it,
Speaker 3: and that to me is what is the true separator
Speaker 3: of music in any other industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you need some records and.
Speaker 3: They're trying because what they're trying to do is put
Speaker 3: that on top of what this music thing is. Well,
Speaker 3: how many records did he sell it? And listen, between
Speaker 3: the three of us, we got that part. We sold
Speaker 3: a lot of records.
Speaker 1: We've made some good money doing this thing.
Speaker 3: That has nothing to do with the respect that we
Speaker 3: all have for each other of the music that we've created.
Speaker 1: Way different. It's way different. That's true. That's way different.
Speaker 1: It's magic.
Speaker 3: Like you said earlier, it's magic, bro absolutely magic, and
Speaker 3: I thank God every day that I can create magic.
Speaker 1: I mean the add to that, I'm even thinking of
Speaker 1: the past past, maybe five six years. A lot of
Speaker 1: artists I've noticed a lot of younger artists, they go
Speaker 1: in and they do the worst. A lot of them
Speaker 1: I've worked with. They they go in and do some
Speaker 1: of the worst mistakes, which is going in trying to
Speaker 1: create the hit, trying to create the hit. And I
Speaker 1: always I always try to tell the cats, you know,
Speaker 1: when you try to create the hit, for me personally
Speaker 1: my opinion, some people got the power to say boom,
Speaker 1: it's a hit. I bless them. Yeah yeah, but I
Speaker 1: feel like some of about trying to create something that's
Speaker 1: not in your control. It's like a mind fuck and
Speaker 1: it kills all the positive frequencies out the whole session
Speaker 1: because your name and records that were big records, but
Speaker 1: they're not like they're not like us not, but we
Speaker 1: know a lot of big Like I was thinking about
Speaker 1: what's the b side the the Bobby Callwell, now what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do for love? Uh? Not? The one common sample,
Speaker 1: the one biggie sample. It's not the light, it's not
Speaker 1: what you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the biggest sample.
Speaker 1: Right. So I remember, I'm young, a kid, but I
Speaker 1: grew up in a household of mute. I remember when
Speaker 1: Bobby Calwell was was a thing you thought there or
Speaker 1: did you not know or did you know because of
Speaker 1: the cover, nobody knew. Nobody knew, and if somebody said
Speaker 1: they did, they lie, it's impossible that was. I talked
Speaker 1: to him. I talked to him, and I know him,
Speaker 1: I knew him, and nobody knew. That was why he
Speaker 1: was so soulful. They didn't want nobody fucking know he's
Speaker 1: so you know he was, he didn't got so many
Speaker 1: black folks married. He's getting it off. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Love but that But this song is like
Speaker 1: to me a culture, a love song. It's so powerful.
Speaker 1: It's like, but it wasn't the top ten, right, but
Speaker 1: it's powerful when you listen to Faith Evans Caramel Kisses
Speaker 1: on the top ten. But guess what when it comes
Speaker 1: on as soon as I get home, chop ten for
Speaker 1: us for magic though, first of all, that's that's that's
Speaker 1: elerent me. The Faith Evans is she is like I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, I had to Catt. I got the cassette as
Speaker 2: a gift. That's how much I loved her. I got
Speaker 2: it as a gift.
Speaker 1: She's the only when I still get starstruck to be around.
Speaker 1: I still I just.
Speaker 3: Remember Faith looking so angelic on all of her covers.
Speaker 3: She had just a different tone, different, just like just
Speaker 3: like she's shining.
Speaker 1: She was every she was everything for me. But them
Speaker 1: songs felt you felt, you felt like we get we
Speaker 1: got to know her through them songs like without even
Speaker 1: mean her. I felt her story through them songs like
Speaker 1: I grew up with that, So I grew up with homegirls,
Speaker 1: with aunties, with women, you know, like that was man.
Speaker 2: I try to see people and I and I try
Speaker 2: to give them a bit of normalcy because I know
Speaker 2: that they've been you know, everywhere they go it's fans.
Speaker 2: It's fans fans, and you know, then they run into
Speaker 2: me and it's one more fans.
Speaker 1: I try to I try to give them a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was like, you good, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: How how's the family? You know?
Speaker 2: Try to well, really, I want to be like man,
Speaker 2: I just want to shake your head.
Speaker 1: For some reason, when I see Faith, I try to
Speaker 1: get regular, but I think I always say some stupid
Speaker 1: ship like I don't know, you know, I'm such a fan.
Speaker 2: Her something bro everything, man, everything. Let me let me
Speaker 2: get Let me get one one thing from you.
Speaker 1: Let me get it.
Speaker 2: What would you one piece of advice that you would
Speaker 2: tell that you would tell a super musician who wants
Speaker 2: to do, who wants to produce? How would you tell
Speaker 2: him in terms of making that transition about.
Speaker 1: Asking him what is the end go? Why does he
Speaker 1: want to produce? He said, I wanted to make music
Speaker 1: want to make music. It's the whole thing. I gotta
Speaker 1: ask him. But but I'll tell you this if at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, my questions will be, are
Speaker 1: you here to make music, to make a mark in
Speaker 1: whatever blessings come from that you take, whatever down falls
Speaker 1: you take to or are you here to come with it.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to get this bread because if you come
Speaker 1: and get this bread, I can tell you I do
Speaker 1: that too. I know the guy's gonna talk to too.
Speaker 1: It's a thing. It's the thing that I don't like
Speaker 1: that tell people how to do it, but it does.
Speaker 1: It's the thing, you know, and you have to sacrifice
Speaker 1: so much of who you are financially, business wise and
Speaker 1: everything if you want to go straight to it in
Speaker 1: my experience, but if you're here to make a mark
Speaker 1: and just right you know, the massive teacher Roy Hargove
Speaker 1: to say this, this is one of the only business music.
Speaker 1: You got to give music one hundred and fifty percent
Speaker 1: and hopefully you'll get back fifteen percent. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So if you on that journey, and this
Speaker 1: is the journey you want to be on, I got
Speaker 1: some things I could definitely tell you, which is love,
Speaker 1: it all, and you know, you gotta it's so dark
Speaker 1: when I say this, but it's not. But you gotta
Speaker 1: find a weird way to fall in love with the
Speaker 1: pit falls just like the success. And you got to
Speaker 1: get to be safe. You got to acknowledge when you
Speaker 1: win andcknowledge things. But you got to kind of keep
Speaker 1: a steady pace going on because this game is so
Speaker 1: many valleys. You know, I've been this. I'm third generation this.
Speaker 1: So I grew up all publishing. I grew up when
Speaker 1: crack came in. We lived in a hotel. I've grew
Speaker 1: up in a popular era. This I know all. I'm
Speaker 1: a child that grew up in a record business household,
Speaker 1: so you know. And I don't have other I do
Speaker 1: music for a living. I don't have the ten apartment
Speaker 1: buildings over there. I don't I do music. I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a real creator. I'm gonna die doing this. That's
Speaker 1: what he said. I'm here to do. I can't fit
Speaker 1: into no other mode. I could love everything. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. But if you on that real question,
Speaker 1: you you got to fall in love with every aspect
Speaker 1: of it. You got to fall in love at every
Speaker 1: aspect of it, because that's the only way you're gonna
Speaker 1: develop that thing, to stay focused on that art thing,
Speaker 1: you know, once you start bringing the emotions to the values.
Speaker 1: Because it's rough, especially when you ain't got the rent
Speaker 1: money and it's bad. You got kids and everybody calling
Speaker 1: because it's rough and nobody it's hard to get money
Speaker 1: for everybody. So even the person calling pressing for money
Speaker 1: is not they want to press you. It's just fucked
Speaker 1: up for them. Y'all. Now, y'all arguing in this, but
Speaker 1: it's all no, it's all this, it's all these things.
Speaker 1: It's all these things that that go down. Why why
Speaker 1: you're creative because you don't make a lot of money
Speaker 1: when you're gambling on yourself in the beginning or whenever,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so much, I'm such a I want
Speaker 1: to drop myself so much from my own company because
Speaker 1: I keep getting I love I love the music artists
Speaker 1: to come from the label, you know. But I would
Speaker 1: tell a man fall in love with everything and learn
Speaker 1: as much as you can and just be in love
Speaker 1: and just be in love with it, man, just fall
Speaker 1: in love with it, you know. And it's hard to
Speaker 1: fall in love because people get the business confused with
Speaker 1: the art. It's not the same thing. You know. The
Speaker 1: business is the business. You know. You know people people
Speaker 1: people do business where it works out for them. I mean,
Speaker 1: how it the name of businesses. I gotta protect me
Speaker 1: and my family no matter what. It is, just business,
Speaker 1: you know, So don't be scared of that ship. I
Speaker 1: do business all the time. I called you to clear out,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm I'm doing business because I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna eat, That's how we're gonna live,
Speaker 1: That's how we're gonna party and see each other later
Speaker 1: on and not be weird when we see each other
Speaker 1: in the mall. Because the business is cool. The business
Speaker 1: has to be cool. The business. You got to focus
Speaker 1: on business too. And it's a few ways you could
Speaker 1: focus on business. You could go get the book like
Speaker 1: everybody was teacher ever, go go get the book. Or
Speaker 1: you could build your own book and run your own race.
Speaker 1: Because certain books that's written about this business are based
Speaker 1: off certain views things are done. My journey is completely different.
Speaker 1: So my journey doesn't. It hadn't fit in any book yet.
Speaker 1: I haven't read my journey yet. It's so weird, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's so it's like you gotta get in,
Speaker 1: you gotta dive in, and you can't be diving. You
Speaker 1: got to dive in. But let me be clear though,
Speaker 1: because all motherfuckers be you know. It's just it's it's
Speaker 1: so tricky, man, because you know, I see so many
Speaker 1: other most talented people make the craziest mistakes. Like I
Speaker 1: always tell people, like my job for years, I feel
Speaker 1: the creator got me here to where when I meet
Speaker 1: a young artist, I be friend of doing music with them.
Speaker 1: And it's been a couple that I've had to call
Speaker 1: their parents like you should come get your baby. I
Speaker 1: would come get my baby because LA getting to them
Speaker 1: in a different kind of way. It ain't my business,
Speaker 1: say how but you need to come and get your baby.
Speaker 1: Two ways. A kid gonna come out here with a dream,
Speaker 1: they gonna make it. They're gonna go back home, or
Speaker 1: they gonna die broken heart. That's Los Angeles. That's the
Speaker 1: entertainment business. That's what I've seen. That's just what i've seen.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's like having that head, having that spirit right, making
Speaker 1: sure you when you in line with your folks, like
Speaker 1: making sure you're in line with your family members, your
Speaker 1: mom and your daddy if they're still here. Just making
Speaker 1: sure you align with people that got the truth. People
Speaker 1: that's praying for you, loving you. If you're gonna be
Speaker 1: in this game, like it's it's a real game, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't call it bad, I don't call it good.
Speaker 1: I call it the ball game. And I made a
Speaker 1: conscious decision to be a part of this, you know,
Speaker 1: So I take whatever with this. But that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of that was my view on the streets though, I
Speaker 1: take with that. And this is much safer than the
Speaker 1: streets for me. When I hear rappers saying the rappers
Speaker 1: David's job, man, shut the fuck up, you talking ship
Speaker 1: getting chased. You, shut the fuck up. You can go home.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know that, and not
Speaker 1: could be sensitive some but you know, you know I'm
Speaker 1: from that thing. So I just get let's get home,
Speaker 1: you know. But we gotta respect this ball game. I
Speaker 1: would tell I would tell all these things, like and
Speaker 1: just do good music. If you're good, we'll hear about you.
Speaker 1: We always do it, don't we. We always hear about him. Again.
Speaker 1: I remember hit Boy, and when I first saw hit Boy.
Speaker 1: Uh uh. Paulo to Don, Pollo to Don. He was
Speaker 1: in l A for a while, and Paulo's like, man,
Speaker 1: I really want to work with Snoop. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, let me let me ship. I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: him by the studio. Could press play, I'm bringing bad
Speaker 1: So I go pick up Snoopy, go see Paulo and
Speaker 1: donnad record plant. He playing these beats. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: he played when that's a monster. Everybody bobbing their head.
Speaker 1: But I see this little kid in the back, a
Speaker 1: little kid, a teenager kid, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, Loo,
Speaker 1: get headphones. He ain't saying nothing. Years later, he said, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: remember that studio session, follow Don. That was my beating.
Speaker 1: That was me in the back. And I said, man,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I was nice to you because you are
Speaker 1: a monster. God, I'm glad I'm on the other side
Speaker 1: of you, because you are a monster. Hit Boy a monster.
Speaker 1: He is a monster. You see what he's doing with
Speaker 1: his father. That's that's the human. That's that's that's the part,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the trophy that the game won't give you.
Speaker 1: But that's the trophy that the universe and the creator
Speaker 1: will give you that that that's the thing that after
Speaker 1: the game is washed up with you in all this situation,
Speaker 1: we all gotta go home and be along. We all,
Speaker 1: we all got to pay the pipe, good or bad,
Speaker 1: I ever gotta go. That's what you do. That's what
Speaker 1: you do to secure your family, your spirit, your touch.
Speaker 1: That's important this game. That's what you do to secure that.
Speaker 1: You don't listen to nobody else. You roll with your folks. Man.
Speaker 1: When my daddy finally got cancer, but I did so
Speaker 1: many records on him, all my records that grabbed me.
Speaker 1: Now everything Kendrick loses all my dad playing drums, I do.
Speaker 1: That's what you do. That's that's how you put in
Speaker 1: a stone for your babies. You know, your daughter sing,
Speaker 1: I got my oldest daughters, the beast, the beast. That's
Speaker 1: the beast. I thought, you know, I thought about that
Speaker 1: because that was me and my dad. Like we we
Speaker 1: bonded so much over music and recording together. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's recording man, that's yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I forgot what I'm talking about again. Up let me
Speaker 1: say this though, it's do what I want to talk
Speaker 1: about that. Nobody talks about him, but people talk about
Speaker 1: him with a certain era. His name is Reggie Andrews,
Speaker 1: the producer and writer for a group called the Dazz Band.
Speaker 1: Yeah Teacher, Yeah teacher, music teacher, a lot dh teacher
Speaker 1: that taught Patrise, Russian, Tyrese, Tyresse, a real Reggie baby.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Reese for always being on debt Tyrese,
Speaker 1: Jold Albright, Patrise, Russian, Kamasi, Washington, Terrace, Martin Thundercat, like
Speaker 1: Jay Swift from the Far Side, like his His list
Speaker 1: of successful artists that all could afford place to live
Speaker 1: on her own is huge, and that's a hard thing
Speaker 1: to do, you know. Shout out to Reggie Andrews because
Speaker 1: just deep I thought about this. So my father came
Speaker 1: to LA from New York in nineteen seventy four, and
Speaker 1: in New York in the seventies, in the early age,
Speaker 1: it was like, you get to LA, you got a
Speaker 1: find Reggie Andrews. He's a big producer. He gonna put
Speaker 1: you on. Reggie Andrews. My dad comes, everybody comes. Reggie
Speaker 1: so cracking. Nobody never finds him. He's in Holly, he's
Speaker 1: doing he's he's arranging, he's doing huge records producer and uh,
Speaker 1: it's just funny. I think about that story because Reggie
Speaker 1: so important to meet me and Thanny Cat always like
Speaker 1: without him, Without Reggie Andrews's no to pimper Butterfly. We
Speaker 1: started to pimp a Butterfly in Reggie's van in the nineties.
Speaker 1: That's when that record started. We started coming up with
Speaker 1: those weird, freaky, unorthodox, strange ideas because of Reggie, Andrews
Speaker 1: gave Thundercat myself all these different keys to unlocked doors
Speaker 1: in your brain, young black kids. So my father came
Speaker 1: out here to find Reggie and he never found him.
Speaker 1: And then ironically I go to I go to Santa Monica. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm getting to a little trouble. I got kicked off
Speaker 1: for a fighting a gun case. They sat out a gun, right,
Speaker 1: So I go to JAM I come out of jail.
Speaker 1: I got I gotta change schools. There's no other school
Speaker 1: I could go. I'm playing. I'm playing saxophone though I'm
Speaker 1: on my shit. I'm but I'm selling guns at the time.
Speaker 1: I'm not robbing, I'm not killing it. I'm not a fighter.
Speaker 1: I'm a lover. I love making love and music. You know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm just selling a gun.
Speaker 1: I'm not a punk, though, but I'm just selling a gun.
Speaker 1: And because I got to say that so it won't
Speaker 1: be this weird, because it ain't no when you're from
Speaker 1: the hood, like I mean, you ain't trying to be hard.
Speaker 1: That's regular, like you just trying to get some money.
Speaker 1: You ain't tripping like that. So it ain't the glorious
Speaker 1: hood story I'm giving you. I'm just trying to sell
Speaker 1: a gun. I got hemmed up, ended up, getting kicked
Speaker 1: out of the whole school district. I had nowhere to go,
Speaker 1: but I was excelling the music so high. All the
Speaker 1: district was hearing about me. But now I had this
Speaker 1: like this sixteen year old kid, a concealed loaded weapons
Speaker 1: following you, and I would tell you I have trauma.
Speaker 1: That's why I keep saying I was selling the gun.
Speaker 1: It still bothers me where I stay. I was only
Speaker 1: selling them, I wasn't. I don't hurt nobody. I'm not
Speaker 1: a gangster. I'm just hanging. You know, I just know
Speaker 1: the language. I just grew up around the guys. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I'm just doing music. But Reggie
Speaker 1: Andrews took a chance because the security man watch out
Speaker 1: guy work the security at Santa Monica High School name
Speaker 1: was mad Dog. Mad Dog was a drummer. I also
Speaker 1: knew my dad. I never knew this, but mad Dog
Speaker 1: was a drummer in La. He knew my dad. Mad
Speaker 1: Dog was best friends with Reggie Andrews and they had
Speaker 1: a little thing where Reggie would tap into all the
Speaker 1: high schools to see who's the young kids playing music.
Speaker 1: I need to get him to my school. I need
Speaker 1: to get him to my school. So mad Dog had
Speaker 1: been watching me and one day I never catch He said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: these folks out here don't understand you. Man, Man, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to get to a real black school. And
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm going to crench Shaw because
Speaker 1: that's my school district. He said, Man. So I got
Speaker 1: kicked out. Mad Dog called my mom and said, my
Speaker 1: friend Reggie Andrews would like to take a meeting with you.
Speaker 1: He has a school that your son would excel in.
Speaker 1: And he could almost he saw his grades. He could
Speaker 1: almost guarantee almost Niggas was saying almost that he would
Speaker 1: get into a college, and that was a big deal
Speaker 1: then because it wasn't looking like I was going nowhere.
Speaker 1: I was just playing a horn and studying Cold Trane,
Speaker 1: having a kid young and trying to have other kids
Speaker 1: probably at that time. And so mad Dog's old Reggie Man,
Speaker 1: Reggie came to my mom and I remember sat down.
Speaker 1: My mom was like, so what you do. He was like,
Speaker 1: I know what to do with him. Like, I've seen
Speaker 1: his grades, I heard him play. Everybody talks say, he's
Speaker 1: a good kid. He's a little trouble. I know he's
Speaker 1: going through some trouble, you know, and he's had he's
Speaker 1: at a turning point in his like for he gonna
Speaker 1: either go here or he gonna go full fledged here.
Speaker 1: And in my head, I was never going to go
Speaker 1: full fledged here, but I probably would have went full
Speaker 1: fledged out of pure pressure of not wanting to be
Speaker 1: called weird or not want to be just not want
Speaker 1: to be not in the end crowd as a young
Speaker 1: black kid. That's I probably would have done some dumb
Speaker 1: shit like most, like most a lot of my friends didn't,
Speaker 1: you know. So I never wanted to be a street dude.
Speaker 1: So when Reggie got to me, my mom was like,
Speaker 1: what school you teach at? And when that nigga said
Speaker 1: Lock High. Now y'all don't know, do y'all research on
Speaker 1: lock High? Lock High? At this time? It's one of
Speaker 1: LA's crazy at school. This is like one of the
Speaker 1: first schools with the metal detect. This is like he's
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no. This is like they found
Speaker 1: a girl hanging from it. Like this is a whole.
Speaker 1: This is like we When he said Lock High, me
Speaker 1: and my mama say, I ain't going to lock Hall.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lock Call. I ain't gotta go.
Speaker 1: I'll go to I ain't gotta go to Crenshaw, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to Lot And he said hear me out.
Speaker 1: I mean, he broke it down, while I should go
Speaker 1: to lock Card. And the best thing I did in
Speaker 1: my life, man, was go to lock Card. That first
Speaker 1: day I went to that school, tenth grade. The first
Speaker 1: day I win. He said, the first day you went,
Speaker 1: we have to play. Bill Clint was was doing his run,
Speaker 1: trying to be a president, trying to be the president
Speaker 1: at the time he ended up being coming to President.
Speaker 1: Ty Reese was there. He had some brown leather boots.
Speaker 1: So then I got oh Man. Anyway, So Reggie Andrew.
Speaker 1: So the first gig, Brandy's there, Reggie has me there.
Speaker 1: It's a big band and it's with Wayne Shorter. And
Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm seeing Kemasi Washington, the
Speaker 1: first time I'm seeing done that. The first time I'm
Speaker 1: seeing really an NPC is at Lock High School. Because
Speaker 1: Reggie was building a crew of he knew what he
Speaker 1: was doing, and all of us went to colleges. It
Speaker 1: ain't one dummy off the crew. Camasi at u c
Speaker 1: l A. I went to cal Arts and you seet
Speaker 1: Ronald Cayle Larks though the only one did go to
Speaker 1: school because he was he didn't. He was already with
Speaker 1: Eric about doing doing all the records with thunder Cat,
Speaker 1: but everybody had options to go to. He made sure
Speaker 1: our grades was up and the musical he was up.
Speaker 1: He would do things like, uh, terrors, you want to
Speaker 1: do this shit for real? He like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take you on a field trip. We're going to Tyree's
Speaker 1: house because Tyree's graduated two years before me. Right four,
Speaker 1: Me and respectful. First of all, we we love Tyree.
Speaker 1: I still love Reese. But we used to get sick
Speaker 1: here in Tyree's name because Reggie, he was so proud
Speaker 1: of Tyree. He'd be like, come on, because did you
Speaker 1: see what Tyree's doing? So we grew up being like
Speaker 1: come on because another Tyree story, like so Tyre's in
Speaker 1: high school for us was like he was the model,
Speaker 1: right but and I never told Tyree this, And I
Speaker 1: never told this is kind of deep. I thought about
Speaker 1: this in the shower. This is brand I thought about
Speaker 1: this in my life. I was like, when did I
Speaker 1: first want to? I started looking at my house, like
Speaker 1: why am I in this house? Why did I? How
Speaker 1: did I get here? How ma in this community? How
Speaker 1: am I? I just had a weird brain fart, like
Speaker 1: how did I get here? Like night ship?
Speaker 2: How do I?
Speaker 1: How do I do this? Though? And I said, Reggie
Speaker 1: took me on a field trip to Tyreese's house. His
Speaker 1: tyres had just started making bread. He had a house
Speaker 1: in Temecula. I never seen I never seen. I never
Speaker 1: seen nobody close to my age that was still hood,
Speaker 1: still pulling up. I never seen nobody with a kitchen
Speaker 1: with an island in it, like it was life changing.
Speaker 1: And I remember I remember it like yesterday. I don't
Speaker 1: know his manager. He was filming something and he was
Speaker 1: on a strict diet. He didn't say that, but I
Speaker 1: knew because it's the first time I seen like this
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be funny, this is for real.
Speaker 1: I was seventeenth the first time I seen like a boneless,
Speaker 1: skinless chicken breast with a piece of broccoli with no season.
Speaker 1: I just remember like, why is he eating that ship?
Speaker 1: But he's all in shape, you know, And I just
Speaker 1: remember him being like cool. I remember me asking him.
Speaker 1: I remember asking him a question like because I didn't
Speaker 1: grow with Tyres, we from the school this class later,
Speaker 1: but we feel like he's our bigger if we was
Speaker 1: in a attorney, he's our bigger brother, and we have
Speaker 1: all the respect for Tyree. He's a bad motherfucker. And
Speaker 1: where he come from it let me tell you something
Speaker 1: you don't but whatever Reese go through, and let me
Speaker 1: tell you something, where he come from is a different thing,
Speaker 1: you know. So I get the whole artistic bobe with him.
Speaker 1: But uh, that fucking island man, He had an island,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know, why do you need this? But
Speaker 1: he was so cool man. And I remember asking him
Speaker 1: because I was kind of like, let me see if
Speaker 1: he knows what's up. Kim Barell just came out with
Speaker 1: Everlasting Life at that time, or it was about to
Speaker 1: come out with somebody. Everlasting Life was out, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Kim Morell is and he was like,
Speaker 1: that's my folks hard and he was so like, I said, damn,
Speaker 1: that's hip that Tyreese is hip to Kim Barell. You know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't he be if I'm just an asshole kid
Speaker 1: that going through the same school he went to, and
Speaker 1: my teachers always saying, yeah, he called that, you know,
Speaker 1: but tyre has always been like he wrote from Afar,
Speaker 1: but so close. Reggie Andrews to always want to get
Speaker 1: us to work together, like he was busy and I
Speaker 1: was always but our birthdays. I think my birthday is
Speaker 1: December twenty win this races. This is the December first
Speaker 1: I got Reggie's text. All your birthdays around that same
Speaker 1: Reggie always said, hey, I'm calling Tyree's next. On thirty
Speaker 1: twenty five years on the birthday text. You know, ask
Speaker 1: Ty's about Reggie's birthday text. I'm sure you know it's
Speaker 1: a real thing. Like so Tyree, Tyree comes from that
Speaker 1: thing though, see it gets deep. He comes from that channel.
Speaker 1: He comes from that channel. So it's like him acting, singing,
Speaker 1: being so poetic when he talked, all this is that's
Speaker 1: he comes from the Reddy Andrews. He's he's one of
Speaker 1: our most important black artists in the world that just
Speaker 1: so happens to be from Watts. M M. It ain't
Speaker 1: it ain't easy. That's a bad motherfucker. It's a bad motherfucker. Man,
Speaker 1: Reggy Andrews, you gonna be like talking, Okay, Goddamn. When
Speaker 1: I saw Tyree's house, I said, I gotta be like Tyree,
Speaker 1: cut my hair, go ball, sweet lady. I love him, Man,
Speaker 1: TANJ Martin. Yes, your top five R and B singers,
Speaker 1: R and B. You know all all that all it
Speaker 1: all encompasses the whole universe of singers. Let's just say
Speaker 1: that half your way. Charlie Wilson, keep running, keep on running,
Speaker 1: Faith Evans, yet or not. You better not do this,
Speaker 1: not in this order, this order. You better not tank Uh.
Speaker 1: It's okay, okay, you take it, just takes. It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to take that too. People's I just I
Speaker 1: turned my head down. Just weird. It's it's it's the
Speaker 1: church and it's so weird and the studio. We could
Speaker 1: do it though, with a certain kind of but just no, brother,
Speaker 1: is that four three perfect? Not in this order? Eric Dawkins, Yeah,
Speaker 1: since yeah, but way, I've seen all these people make
Speaker 1: up things in the moment. That's I'm judging the whole.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of things I'm judging off of. I've
Speaker 1: seen all these artists create songs in the middle of
Speaker 1: sound checks and tags the end of songs. I seen
Speaker 1: all these artists sang when the mics was messed up.
Speaker 1: I've seen all these artists when I've seen all these
Speaker 1: artists at all the levels. Yeah, been to so many
Speaker 1: and yourself no so uh, I said Eric Dawkins, benefit
Speaker 1: of his since ninety five. I'm with you, yep, talks
Speaker 1: and talkings. Got one more. God rest his soul. Jesse Powell.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Jesse. We're talking about the level right, Oh,
Speaker 1: the level, talking about the level, I'm talking about intonations,
Speaker 1: saying performance, theatory syllables. Oh thing, Daniel eye. I've seen
Speaker 1: them singing praise and worship. I seen him seeing to
Speaker 1: a woman. I've seen I've seen Jesse when I was younger,
Speaker 1: Auder and back then I said, man, they oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the one He's gonna inspire too many good things. They don't.
Speaker 1: Nobody even fries to re sing that Record're good, We're
Speaker 1: good people leave you alone good. Yeah, that's a record,
Speaker 1: We're good. That's the record smash. But nobody plays around
Speaker 1: with that. No, leave it alone.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You remember Jesse's range? What there are? There are lanes
Speaker 1: and levels. Man, that that's just five. But though if
Speaker 1: I was me and Robert always blasts were always saying
Speaker 1: we was going to war and we had to fight
Speaker 1: and heal the world with music. What top piano player with?
Speaker 1: Those are my five that I know. I could go
Speaker 1: anywhere from all the levels from heart thriving music core
Speaker 1: changes to dexterity to that's just the five. I know.
Speaker 3: They taken off phase off Pasey that you know you
Speaker 3: don't when need to come to the park like I
Speaker 3: got my five?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got my You know what I'm saying, that's
Speaker 1: you know, songwriter, I got a song. I gotta all all.
Speaker 1: We do this a lot Top five R and B songs.
Speaker 1: Whoa oh, he said, I like that list some more
Speaker 1: water Man. We got some more water Man. Top R
Speaker 1: and B songs. Oh okay, here we go, Here we go,
Speaker 1: Top five, thank you by the top five R and
Speaker 1: B songs. You could tell a lot by a person
Speaker 1: about these answers. Jennet Jackson any time, any place. My
Speaker 1: heart belongs to you. Do that. Next rendition, rest in peace,
Speaker 1: Kenny A Ribbon the sky.
Speaker 2: Hm hmm.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about Kenny A lot that we haven't.
Speaker 1: You just brought something crazy that had a song called
Speaker 1: coming Side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you let me, if you let me, if you
Speaker 2: the tone though, it's the tone, the arrangement, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's that's three. Tevin Campbell, Now can we talk.
Speaker 1: I know where you're going. Come on, set you by
Speaker 1: the fire, your place. You know what I'm saying. Break
Speaker 1: it down, can get it down?
Speaker 2: Press wrote that bottle stop playing? Yeah yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I don't want no said. I can't let you do
Speaker 2: it by yourself. Come on, I need it back. I
Speaker 2: need that back.
Speaker 1: That's four. You went too crazy on my record. I
Speaker 1: need it back. Uh now I need faith even as
Speaker 1: soon as I get home. No, no, no, no, come
Speaker 1: over sorry come over fight That was once you come
Speaker 1: over and make a lot of me. Yeah, because that
Speaker 1: song hit a certain way in my Honda Core when
Speaker 1: that came out, Come on, Chucky, come on man, come
Speaker 1: on Chuck. When you finally brought that car boom, dude, dude,
Speaker 1: oh manm keyboard sounds with and you had two twelves
Speaker 1: in the back, that's when that's when that's when you
Speaker 1: would just you would pick up the young lady. You know,
Speaker 1: both of y'all in high school. Everybody's of age, same age.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's seventeen together to say that these days here,
Speaker 1: so I'm in behind the core, I'm banging faith that was.
Speaker 1: But this is when you on purpose in La you
Speaker 1: just drive fast in the Gutta line for no reason,
Speaker 1: looking straight while the girl in the car and you're
Speaker 1: playing faith that she's scared going fast, but the faith
Speaker 1: that was just still than her and you're just looking
Speaker 1: and you just you saying the words I lived this
Speaker 1: R and B ship broke because they're only so cool
Speaker 1: in the can push it to the streets. You ain't
Speaker 1: going and yo, remember the air your tape collection and
Speaker 1: your CD collection was how everybody yea and to see
Speaker 1: the evening I want to hear the city booklet.
Speaker 3: Come on man, Yeah, I had the black leather boot
Speaker 3: want the move, we said, But I was writing my
Speaker 3: own songs to the fifteen, so I have you know,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah you go oh yeah yeah Maxill It
Speaker 1: was like yeah, Max, yeah, all that was five yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: actually hit us with two. That's all good because you know,
Speaker 1: you get weird when they come around. I love every
Speaker 1: time I see be like some music, like some music.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Let's make your vulture on your super
Speaker 1: r and B artists easy.
Speaker 2: We want to know who you're going to get the
Speaker 2: particulars from, Who you're gonna get the vocal from, who
Speaker 2: you gonna get the performance style from, the styling, the
Speaker 2: passion of the artists, and.
Speaker 1: What all star musical cast is going to play for
Speaker 1: this artist. Yeah, it's different. You expect that one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Aaron Ray going on what vocal? Whole plan?
Speaker 1: What vocal are you getting for this artist? One vocal?
Speaker 1: Which which second? I know you the singer A right?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I.
Speaker 2: Spelled performing right, styling a right, passion a right? What
Speaker 2: group of musicians is playing for?
Speaker 1: There we go, Now it's real. The group of musicians
Speaker 1: playing for Aaron Ray is uh.
Speaker 2: Whom I heard all the names, you know, I know
Speaker 2: the names.
Speaker 1: I know all those names. You know, you know the
Speaker 1: group of Aaron Ray. I would can I get a
Speaker 1: little bit in death? I would want to get. I
Speaker 1: would go to get. I would find out what spend
Speaker 1: a month going to midnight musicals and I would get
Speaker 1: a bunch of young cats to play with them young cats,
Speaker 1: and I would take them, take them to a rehearsal place.
Speaker 1: And I was would we would? We would study the
Speaker 1: genuine tapes. We will study the genuine tapes. We will
Speaker 1: do these things. Because Aaron Ray needs a band that's
Speaker 1: he needs a different kind of He needs a band
Speaker 1: that's just like that band. But he needs one guy
Speaker 1: that's a jazzy, real piano guy. He's a jazzy guy
Speaker 1: because he likes jazz, but he needs that. He's an
Speaker 1: R and B guy. He in the gym right now.
Speaker 1: He like Baby Tank, he got the he doing it
Speaker 1: and he's serious about that. So he needs a band
Speaker 1: that understands that show. The one thing about the genu
Speaker 1: Wine band, the music was a high level, but the
Speaker 1: show was a high level. The backgrounds and you know
Speaker 1: geniu Wine, all these Genie Wine was the first singer
Speaker 1: shout out to genu Wine too, and this this takes
Speaker 1: strength and courage to have the type of background singers
Speaker 1: genu Wine used to be. It takes courage even for
Speaker 1: some of these bands to say they had Dave Polisher
Speaker 1: singing background. Yeah. Yeah, that takes a good person that's
Speaker 1: secure and his biceping. He used to dance all crazy,
Speaker 1: all kind of ship and he could sign don't get
Speaker 1: it fucked up. His thing is his thing. But Aaron
Speaker 1: Ray is like to me, because I've I've I've I've
Speaker 1: had Aaron with me in New York at the Blue Note.
Speaker 1: That's like the training ground. It's two sets tonight. But
Speaker 1: people that don't know you and I want to see
Speaker 1: and he bam. The musicians would be all young casts.
Speaker 1: But but I would I would go get knee signed,
Speaker 1: m M. The anchor, the anchor it that season, to
Speaker 1: anger that that new, to blend that, because Aaron Ray
Speaker 1: is that songwise, James Finload would write everything. You write everything,
Speaker 1: you right everything, He would write everything because I would
Speaker 1: have to treat this like a car wash a little
Speaker 1: bit to really do it, in my opinion, to do
Speaker 1: it how I see it. Where it could be done
Speaker 1: at this crazy level. I would get James farl Royd
Speaker 1: to write it to an R. The an R is
Speaker 1: tricky because it's such a high level record. I would
Speaker 1: have to go get Sycamore or somebody left to go
Speaker 1: an R. You know what I mean, A couple of
Speaker 1: an rs. I have to get after pay Tina Davis
Speaker 1: a consulting fee mm hmm, to figure out how to
Speaker 1: push this thing through. I mean it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1: M The publicism, now that's tricky. I love them all.
Speaker 1: Where we would cut the record, that would be larrybie Man.
Speaker 1: He would mix the record, yep. The musicians on the record.
Speaker 1: We would do a blend because even with James writing it,
Speaker 1: I would still blend like I would randomly go get
Speaker 1: like a what does James sound like? With exkewoy Q
Speaker 1: writing and go get sew you to get like, what
Speaker 1: what does that sound like? Because I could put all
Speaker 1: of them in one wrong. I could do it. That's
Speaker 1: my thing is putting oil and water together making it smoke,
Speaker 1: you know. But that's what I would do with an
Speaker 1: artist like Aaron Rakers because I feel as has everything
Speaker 1: going for him. I feel he's such a different type
Speaker 1: of artists. He just needs to be surrounded with a
Speaker 1: certain type of a thing, you know, because he does
Speaker 1: all the work himself, and he's a bad motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: don't need anyone, but I know with them type of artists,
Speaker 1: those special ones. It's the reason why we all work
Speaker 1: for a reason. It's the reason why those names are
Speaker 1: the names we just. The only thing different I would
Speaker 1: do is involved the live band with the live young
Speaker 1: because I'm into young musicians. I love young energy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'll even deal with the show up later a few
Speaker 1: times to the airport, something about the young musician. I
Speaker 1: get monsters, you know what I'm saying. Monsters, Hey man,
Speaker 1: I do a fire song album with you all ballt
Speaker 1: us with strings though we'd have Derek God to the strings.
Speaker 1: We'd have Darrey do the strings, and it would be
Speaker 1: we would write the tunes kind of like jazz. Thenny
Speaker 1: but R and B. You know jazz. They go to
Speaker 1: the bridge like, what's the cat? Everybody likes this cat.
Speaker 1: I'm not man. I don't want to disrespect the white
Speaker 1: guy Blue Black, Michael Blue. Yeah, everybody likes that guy.
Speaker 1: That's like small world music to me. But everybody likes
Speaker 1: that thing. We don't have nobody in our world that's
Speaker 1: seeing that kind of music and attacking hearts. The queen
Speaker 1: some more joys doing it from a jazz perspector, But
Speaker 1: we don't have you. You you could bridge that man,
Speaker 1: because the piano with the strings, we don't do nothing
Speaker 1: up temple. If it's up temple, it's just a mid
Speaker 1: temple box and nova. It ain't nothing fast. It's just
Speaker 1: like it's when you do this. We going to the
Speaker 1: Kennedy Center. We're going back to d C with the orchestra. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what happens when you say stuff on the
Speaker 1: Army Money podcast. Binding I've been telling you. You know
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying it like you have to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean when I was first hearing Tank around, you know,
Speaker 1: I used to be on Molly so much. Tank. Tank
Speaker 1: was another guy I would I would get starstruck four,
Speaker 1: but the Mollys too. I'd be like, hey, Tank. In
Speaker 1: my head, I had a whole talk with him, like
Speaker 1: I love the music.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta problem, era the problem.
Speaker 2: The problem ah man, I liked everybody I shouldn't like.
Speaker 1: Like everyone. That makes me a lover more of a lover. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to give good love speeches all night, seven hours.
Speaker 1: What talk to me? I used to accidentally confess the
Speaker 1: truth when I shouldn't have. Certain times, I've been there,
Speaker 1: Like i've been there, I've had to hear the truth.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me that.
Speaker 4: Man, Here we go, ship, you got cham I ain't
Speaker 4: saying no next day, I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no name.
Speaker 2: He was what you need.
Speaker 1: She ain't saying no. That's stupid. Yeah, come on now,
Speaker 1: come on you you're here. Now you're here. You really welcome.
Speaker 3: He said, you wanted to come on the podcast, come
Speaker 3: on there. So it's the moment I saw Punch. I
Speaker 3: saw I saw the story. Punch was clever with that.
Speaker 1: I like how Punch did it funny and fucked up
Speaker 1: a funny and fucked up. Maybe it was high. Maybe
Speaker 1: you wasn't. Maybe, Oh man, the only rule to the
Speaker 1: game is you can't say no name, not one. That's
Speaker 1: the only rule. Oh man. The year was two thousand fourteen.
Speaker 1: I like what I'm going. I love the year twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: I just got down with some very important records, very
Speaker 1: important records that helped. When I say important, I mean
Speaker 1: they helped people. They helped more than me, They helped
Speaker 1: the people, they helped the whole world. So I never
Speaker 1: go on to row. But being a producer, hustler, what
Speaker 1: you do you follow that record? The artis Wan't you
Speaker 1: going to road for a couple of months? Why now
Speaker 1: let's go. We just got to know the album. Don't
Speaker 1: chip on a weekly money. I'll get you on that
Speaker 1: production agreement. Don I got you. Let's go. It's I
Speaker 1: go on the road. Now. This is when I I've
Speaker 1: came to the realization at this age, I think I'm
Speaker 1: like thirty six at this time or something like that.
Speaker 1: So this is the this is the run that made
Speaker 1: me say, Okay, you can't hang with these young motherfuckers
Speaker 1: no more. It's you. You gotta hang with your world.
Speaker 1: This is different you used to be. This is different.
Speaker 1: So we're touring all over. The artist has a very
Speaker 1: good record. It's going up, it's going big. It's not
Speaker 1: Kenrick Lamoar. So it's not that kill Oh. I can't
Speaker 1: say nothing, but I gotta say that because I can't
Speaker 1: say that. So we're out of town. We go to
Speaker 1: New York. It's the artist first time sold. Our show
Speaker 1: New York is cracking. Everybody's in New York. Everybody's coming
Speaker 1: to this show. I can't say no names, but a
Speaker 1: lot of my guest list is very who's who in
Speaker 1: New York, like you know, and this is like early,
Speaker 1: This is like we we we're just about to start
Speaker 1: the run. So we already we already kicked them off,
Speaker 1: but we now we're about to start to run. So
Speaker 1: you know, you know, when when you're hot, everybody comes
Speaker 1: to the show. God guy, So everybody's coming to the show.
Speaker 1: We have a good time. This is another friend of
Speaker 1: mine that was involved and with this that was involved musically,
Speaker 1: got in business with a friend of mine from Atlanta,
Speaker 1: got in business with a tequila company. Right, and everybody
Speaker 1: knows I drink tequila. I love tequila, right. I was
Speaker 1: drinking a lot more in tequila than though. This is
Speaker 1: like when somebody said tequila was a guy that I
Speaker 1: started thinking of. At least I'm having ala veria in
Speaker 1: my at at least I'm going through this whole thing.
Speaker 1: So it's a health benefit to tequila at least, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Liquor courage anyway, So he said, team, man,
Speaker 1: I know you try this. Man, it's try this all nice.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna try it on stage. I'll said
Speaker 1: to Tequila about my keyboards. I'm playing and I'm not
Speaker 1: it's smooth. I'm like, this is smooth. One of those
Speaker 1: expensive bottles, heavy bottles. So I'm like it gotta be good.
Speaker 1: So I'm just drinking until I'm seeing, you know, a
Speaker 1: little buzz. I'm cool chilling. Now it's the end of
Speaker 1: the show. I didn't get too lifted, just coupled. But
Speaker 1: when we got back backstage, I started trying taking shots.
Speaker 1: I'm usually good at this time my life. To be
Speaker 1: able to move and now have a hangover and get
Speaker 1: that car time and not say nothing out of pocket.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm good. I'm like a seven to eight shot.
Speaker 1: Good dude right now with water consistent moving around the party.
Speaker 1: You feel me. I'm like, so, I'm but I got
Speaker 1: to my sixth shot and I was like, man, it
Speaker 1: used to be the show called your TV Rats with
Speaker 1: with with Doctor Dray and Ed Lover and aed love
Speaker 1: to do this dance like this, No, Chris, Now that's
Speaker 1: something holding the show. That's BT wrapped Chris the Mayor,
Speaker 1: the mayor on BT The mayor Sorry, sorry lover. The
Speaker 1: Mayor used to do this dance and all I remember
Speaker 1: me for some reason, I'm sober, but my bodies start going.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's going on? It's making me feel weird,
Speaker 1: like this liquor. So long story short, I don't remember
Speaker 1: what happened. Right. I wake up in the morning. I
Speaker 1: met the w hotel in New York. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say which one, but I woke up. I'm like, where's
Speaker 1: my clothes? Why am I? Where am I clothes? Where
Speaker 1: am I? Where am I? Where are my clothes? No? No,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Actually, I'm like, oh, I must have
Speaker 1: got drunk and just took them off and got in
Speaker 1: a bed. So I got up and like, let me
Speaker 1: find my clothes, and I'm like, where's my saxophone. Where's
Speaker 1: my clothes? I see my saxophone neck in the mouthpiece.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have no clothes, no clothes. I'm like,
Speaker 1: wear am my clothes? I'm like, I'm thinking. So I
Speaker 1: get a knock on the door by the artist I'm
Speaker 1: working with, and he brings me my clothes. He said, Hey,
Speaker 1: don't even worry about it. Take your clothes. So later
Speaker 1: I got dressed, I said, man, how'd you get my clothes? Bro?
Speaker 1: Was you in my room playing a game and stole
Speaker 1: my clothes? Well, how did you get my clothes? Bro?
Speaker 1: He said, I heard you banging on the door on
Speaker 1: the tenth floor. Your room's on the fifth. You kept
Speaker 1: saying you had to use the bathroom. I just looked
Speaker 1: at my people. I didn't come out, but I just
Speaker 1: went back and you got naked in the hallway floor
Speaker 1: and start using the bathroom on somebody's door and walk
Speaker 1: to your room neckad. That's my story. And that's when
Speaker 1: I stopped drinking so much tequila. That much. Yeah, that happened.
Speaker 1: That's a real story. If you know, you know about
Speaker 1: that one to I'll tell you later. It's a different guy.
Speaker 1: The jazz. I'm always with the music, but I always
Speaker 1: liked having a good time. Respectfully, that is a good time, man.
Speaker 1: You just so you got on the elevator room. Oh no,
Speaker 1: was your like it? I must have still had my
Speaker 1: kids next with my keys.
Speaker 2: There's so many questions, so many questions. That was that
Speaker 2: journey from the tenth floor to the it's gotta be
Speaker 2: a movie.
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, it's some more. It's some more. Somebody
Speaker 1: had to get a key for it. Some more. It's
Speaker 1: but that that that was, that was when I started
Speaker 1: chilling out. That level of that level, that that was
Speaker 1: a real level. That was like, we're just I'm just
Speaker 1: because that was when the body, the man's body starts
Speaker 1: taking change at thirty with the alcohol and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: all depends on how much you drink and how much
Speaker 1: you've been a part of this, wow, crazy business casually
Speaker 1: drinking for so many years. So thirty five is about
Speaker 1: that time. You're about to hit the forty soon. So
Speaker 1: everything is changing. So I didn't calculate I was ship
Speaker 1: was changing, Ship was changing. And now you know, I
Speaker 1: can still go, but I gotta do the I gotta
Speaker 1: do the water as I go. That means I'm not
Speaker 1: getting sucked up. I can't even think about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know no more. I drink a little bit.
Speaker 1: I can't even think about it's over, run over, it's over.
Speaker 1: Yeah for the turn I'm drinking. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: when I the last time I got I get drunk
Speaker 1: on accident. It happens because when you play at clubs
Speaker 1: and ship like that. Let mebody, you will drink And
Speaker 1: I'm like, why not what you're drinking? When they ask me,
Speaker 1: I'm not the guy. I don't drink what you drink.
Speaker 1: If you will buy me a drink, I'm like an
Speaker 1: expensive day top shelf. I'm looking up there since But nah, man,
Speaker 1: but yeah, man, the liquors start changing my body, the weed,
Speaker 1: everything start changing, man. And it comes from all of
Speaker 1: us just changing. But the late nights in them studios.
Speaker 1: The amount of mental stress we deal with don't the
Speaker 1: amount of spiritual warfare we deal with. We deal with
Speaker 1: so much shit just to sing a fucking note to
Speaker 1: pay some mortgage. It's crazy. It's crazy what we all deal.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the I mean, it's like war Bro.
Speaker 1: Like war Bro. We deal with so much weird ship
Speaker 1: and we just get through. It's like war the mind
Speaker 1: of all. It ain't just that. That's what I'll be
Speaker 1: trying to tell you young kids, Like, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: do it, just you know, do it to it and
Speaker 1: don't believe in what Nicholas, what's that meaning? It's too
Speaker 1: good to be true. It's too good to be true
Speaker 1: that some of that.
Speaker 2: Yea brother, Terrence Martin, Man, we appreciate you. Come on,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you as a as a as a brother,
Speaker 2: as a as a man of a cloth.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 2: As a purist, curator, super musician, and super producer. You
Speaker 2: do it all man, You check all the box. I'll
Speaker 2: take some taco. I'm with all that.
Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, Yeah, it is Tuesday. Y'all should come
Speaker 1: to my residency. I'm playing tonight at Verse. Have you
Speaker 1: been the Verse yet? That's Maddy's restaurant next door to
Speaker 1: Larry Bie. No, you've been, but you went on it
Speaker 1: as for an event, for a camper's events event, a
Speaker 1: wild night cameraman. That's it, like my but you gotta
Speaker 1: come one night tonight, tonight. Then I'm gonna take a
Speaker 1: break this moment. Pick it back time. We play six
Speaker 1: thirty for a couple hours, then we play against nine thirty.
Speaker 1: That's the only local shit I do. Because we could
Speaker 1: we curate them tables so we know who's in there.
Speaker 1: It's all like minded people. I'm on a whole mission
Speaker 1: right now, so you know how I'm doing. I tell
Speaker 1: you you know I'm doing the table. It's a little
Speaker 1: different I'm a you. I'm with you. We appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I appreciate you. Man. Let's say it. Man.
Speaker 2: My name is Tank Valentine and this is the R
Speaker 2: and B Money Podcast, the authority on all things R
Speaker 2: and B.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yeah, that's real. Know your craft. You better
Speaker 1: tell you a story for the other people telling fuck
Speaker 1: it up. That's what this is doing. Giving people a shot.
Speaker 1: The fact that we could go see all these cats here,
Speaker 1: that that that y'all know who's who is black history. Man,
Speaker 1: people are going to this is a real fucking thing
Speaker 1: to record. This, to record history of giants that would
Speaker 1: have never got looked at, and that are giants like
Speaker 1: we're talking about a person named Warren k. We're talking
Speaker 1: about giants here that will never like giants. That's just
Speaker 1: as important to me as Duke Keellington. Man. So I
Speaker 1: love you guys for doing this show. I want to
Speaker 1: come on this shit a gang of times. I got
Speaker 1: so much to say, ladies. Terrence mart