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Speaker 1: R and B Money. We are.

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Speaker 2: Take Boloti.

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Speaker 1: We are the authority on all things R and Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: My name is Tank, I'm Valentine, and this is the

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Speaker 2: arm Money Podcast, the.

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Speaker 1: Authority, yes, sir, on all things R and B and A.

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Speaker 1: I'm sick, yeah of you not knowing here how to

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Speaker 1: use your instrument? All your instrument? Who if these walls

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Speaker 1: could talk? Oh my my mind? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well studied, yeah, yeah, loyal to it, honestry groomed, yeah,

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Speaker 2: how musician?

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Speaker 1: What? Yeah? Who is it again? I'm sick of the

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Speaker 1: Tans moment in the building. I made it. I made it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm on this show. I made it.

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Speaker 3: I've been pressing you about this show. You can't press

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Speaker 3: me after you you know what. We're gonna go into

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Speaker 3: that God sometimes universe roll bumps, No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: let's get into this because he tried me. He tried

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Speaker 3: me immediately, and I wasn't gonna bring it up because

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Speaker 3: I don't let nobody cancel it did come?

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Speaker 1: They don't cancel it?

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Speaker 3: Did come on the podcast after they cancel on this.

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Speaker 3: If you canceled, you just canceled. But you're my friend

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Speaker 3: in real life.

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Speaker 1: For forgiving thank you, thank you, thank you for I

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Speaker 1: run into you at the whole fol everywhere I run

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Speaker 1: to you, I run to your real life. When I

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Speaker 1: first ran to you, it was you and your father

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Speaker 1: giving Snoop a paperback with a lot of money again

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Speaker 1: County late one night. That's what I do know. I've

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Speaker 1: seen that. I seen y'all that money. You and daddy

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Speaker 1: come down like clear the roong. Hmm, yeah, clear the wroong. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they doing music and money. Yeah. Shout out to j

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Speaker 1: T the Bigger Fixure. Shout out to j T the

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Speaker 1: Bigger and Jilly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah them out man, because they made that happen.

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Speaker 1: That happen.

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Speaker 3: We came and got a verse. It was called uh.

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Speaker 3: The song was called Get with This Pimper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that night.

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Speaker 3: It was written by Static and had a trade off

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Speaker 3: about that record.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we traded songs I had.

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Speaker 3: I gave him a song called Miracles and he gave

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Speaker 3: me give it this Pamper and you came down.

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Speaker 1: Then I went and got the Snoop cat I had

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Speaker 1: to saw yeah, yeah, all hondles. Yeah. We had to

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Speaker 1: count it out with Pops too. That was hards family affair.

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Speaker 1: That is the first time we met Broy. It was

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Speaker 1: like then I just started hearing them from the Bay Area.

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Speaker 1: I got folks in the Bay Area. So man, he

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Speaker 1: born and raising this thing. Oh listen, because you know

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Speaker 1: when you're from l A. You know, you think LA

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Speaker 1: of course your pops for sure, because you know that's

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Speaker 1: another circuit. You know what I'm saying that's connected to

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Speaker 1: the church. It is. It's all why not, it's all true.

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Speaker 2: You you're you're you're, you're my kind of guy. Come

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Speaker 2: on now, thank you Undertand what I'm saying, man, that's

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Speaker 2: you're the you're the cloth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're of bet fabric, my brother.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to get better that thing. That's what we're

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Speaker 2: doing every day. But what you've done so far is immaculate.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It is strong and it

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Speaker 2: speaks volumes for me coming out like you know, coming

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Speaker 1: You know. Of course, the musicianship was the thing.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy, right, But then as I got more

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Speaker 2: I saw the musicianship being, if not more, just as

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Speaker 1: What is all?

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Speaker 2: What do you need? All of this ship? Like a

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Speaker 1: He don't stop smiling while you do amazing. Battle Cat

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Speaker 1: is just on everything. I'm like I was working with

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Speaker 1: the guitar, nigga got the horn. I'm like hood niggas.

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Speaker 2: Fresh off of selling something into the studio to play

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Speaker 2: going to hear some Musicga, we are you are you?

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Speaker 2: Nigga full jazz, come on man like and so's when

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Speaker 2: I got to this we, I was like, that's and

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Speaker 1: I feel like me, well, I can speak on my

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Speaker 1: but it it's a lot of people's think me myself, Thundercat,

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Speaker 1: Kamasi Washington, a few of us, you know, but we

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Speaker 1: grew up with in musician households and I was telling

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Speaker 1: So like to say, I always say, you know, the seventies,

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Speaker 1: and music. Funk music makes so many people rich, you

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Speaker 1: tell somebody just asked me the other day, man, what

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Speaker 1: So I had to think, and I think, and I said,

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Speaker 1: record producers that ever lived. Battle Cat, to me is

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Speaker 1: undeniably one of the greatest orchestrators that ever lived, because

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Speaker 1: when he writes music, it's when he puts together his music.

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Speaker 1: It's like orchestration. It's very similar to one of my

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Speaker 1: understanding what publishing is because we are able at seventeen

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Speaker 1: they forming playing this is like these are genius. You

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Speaker 1: see you you see a Nissan Stewart playing drums. Humble Nissan, right,

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Speaker 1: It used to be this thing called the Praise Connection.

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Speaker 1: All the beasts came out, all the amazing God from musicians,

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Speaker 3: Let you know, I know what you're doing doing job

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Speaker 2: We're trying to retire. You're trying to retire. One of

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Speaker 1: It's three of them. The first one, my earliest memory,

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Speaker 1: So my dad just passed like and I'm not I'm

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Speaker 1: He was like, Man, poor judgment on time, poor judgment

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Speaker 1: He's young, like you, doing deals. He knows it. What okay, Walcher,

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Speaker 1: what's up? I'm sixteen? Oh you yeah, come over here,

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Speaker 1: meet my publisher, Big John. Matter of fact, come do

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Speaker 1: this wedding for him. You got your horn. I gotta

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Speaker 1: Jay Brown's wedding. That's Mario winning, Mario winning. I know, Mark,

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Speaker 1: Those are all the things. And that's why my whole

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Speaker 1: I get just as excited as seeing Corey Henry play Orgon, Like,

430
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: oh this is amazing. Look at this. It's kind of

431
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: like the pianos and horn switch to the laptops.

432
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: You know, look at them as cheat codes. No, because

433
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 3: some people do, and some purist dude, that's why I

434
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: asked you that.

435
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: That's unfortunate for them. I feel that it's not a

436
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: cheat CDE too. I don't because I can't do it.

437
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 3: Only thing I don't like is allto too. That's the

438
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 3: only thing, you know what I'm well, I'm not the

439
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 3: biggest auto too.

440
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, and I tell every artist is

441
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, I tell every artist and these are the facts.

442
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: What I say. I say, you know, you gotta be

443
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: careful about continue on tracking through auto tune. It's gonna

444
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: build such a hard crutch for your live show. And

445
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: I tell people this, they just whatever whatever. And man,

446
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: every time I do a show with somebody, if they

447
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: don't got the auto tune, man there, they don't want

448
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: to do the show. They don't want to do the show,

449
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: you know.

450
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 2: But I tell certain artists that if your thing is

451
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: the auto tune, if your sauce, keep it.

452
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: Keep it on you. That's your investment. As you said,

453
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 1: you get your first five thousand dollars. Yeah, but then

454
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: a lot of cats, don't you know. Somebody that that

455
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: uses auto tune a lot. But we just did seven

456
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: nights in a row at the Blue Note, and that's

457
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: James Foleroy. We did seven nights, two sets a week

458
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: at the two sets a night at the Blue Note,

459
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: and that boy sign sign. But always said because everybody,

460
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: all the youngsters, well James, James has he's built the option.

461
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, those of us who can sing use it as

462
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: as a sonic, as a tool tool.

463
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: But don't get it twisted. Don't get twist. There is

464
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, James, the two sets at night at

465
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: the Blue Note. That's bad. Hey, that's bad. That's you

466
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You got to say a lot

467
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: of the they ain't cordless, Mike, Oh no, no, no, no

468
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: cards cards the Blue Note. Yeah, we ain't read that.

469
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on our song shared monitors. Come

470
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: on man.

471
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: So we were talking about your pops. Give you that tape.

472
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: He gets you an ice tea taste.

473
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: He gave me then ice ta tape. You're a great songwriter.

474
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: You've always been great at that. See how you brought

475
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: it back you see how you did that. You've always

476
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: been good at that. Man, even through conflicts, you're great.

477
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: You know you're amazing. This is what I got that

478
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: ice t tape man. And I remember the first song

479
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: I heard when I popped it in at at the

480
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: house my dad left. He didn't know about cussing on tapes,

481
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: none of that. I remember. The first thing I heard

482
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: was six in the morning, police shot my door. And

483
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: I was like, because our house I got raided a

484
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: few times. Because when you were a jabb you just

485
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: trying to survive. Dad, you say a little dope, ha there,

486
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: you know what, whatever, take the help. You know what

487
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you know you you grew up backspacked

488
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: by the door fore visions and different things like that,

489
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: And so I was familiar with just the lifestyle he

490
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: was talking about, Like he's talking about the police come

491
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: to history too. Who I don't feel alone, you know.

492
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: So I started alling nice seeing and then my mom

493
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: used to go to the Rhodium Swap meet. This is

494
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: a place in Guardena where I see a lot of

495
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: casts talk about the history of West Coast hip hop,

496
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: but they don't bring up one of the meccas in

497
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: the place that without this place, none of this ship

498
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: would be moving. And that's the Roodium swap Me a

499
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: brother named Steve Yannold. This is where like this, this

500
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: is the swap me where you could go to the

501
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: swap meet and see easy E, doctor Dre spinning ice

502
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 1: Cube on the mic. DJ Yellow. Everybody knows Steve, this

503
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: is the radiom and this is this is this would

504
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: change my life. So I had the ice Ta tape

505
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: that whole weekend, my mama started going to the Rodium

506
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: swap me, and and my parents had just separated, and

507
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: so now she's on trying to figure out how to

508
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: beat a single mama. She young, she l a single mama.

509
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: So she like, I'm gonna go to swap meet. I

510
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: know you like music. I'm gonna stick you at the

511
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: music store, right I drop you off. I'm gonna drop here.

512
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm just right there, Mama, be all gone. Don't if

513
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: you leave. We knew man. Let me tell you, man,

514
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: I remember the first time she took me, my first

515
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: blink of I and the first record I can think

516
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: about was Christmas Rap and then Public Enemy, and then

517
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: Steve came to me and said, man, man, you like rap?

518
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: You ever heard of Easy E? And I'm like, this

519
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: is a guy who's running there Steve Janno. Yeah, this

520
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: doctor Dray Boyce knew. Everybody knows Steve Jannald. The ones

521
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: know who I'm talking about. The ones that don't know.

522
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: That's why they That's why they music, because they history

523
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: and they foundation shaky. That's why they records to this

524
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: day is shaky. It all counts. But so Steve Yannold,

525
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: and it's like, uh, I said, easy E. But I said, well,

526
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: I think you played boys. He played song called boys. Nuh.

527
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah. Because my cousins that lived in Bakersfield,

528
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: I had two fine cousins, right, I got a gang

529
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: of fine becausin been in the eighties though the basket

530
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: Waves and you know what with the dope billers in LA.

531
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: But they were from Bakersfield. So my mom would send

532
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: me to Bakersfield for the summer. I remember coming back down.

533
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: We would take the Greyhound bus bus and get get

534
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: off and downtown and they would tell my mom and them, uh,

535
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: cousin louis coming to get us. But it always be

536
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: two niggas with Jerry Crolls and loud music and Nissan trucks,

537
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: just like eighty six eighty seven. I never forget so

538
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: we hoping they'd be like, oh, now I know I'm

539
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: in the back of everybody, sitting next to the cousin

540
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: the shoulders moving. Now I know what's up. You know

541
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm older, but I'm like, oh, but I would be

542
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: in the back of the figures. And I remember when

543
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: I first heard and woke up quick at about noon,

544
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: just thought that I had to be in confidence song

545
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: Nigga my eyes. I was a kid. I said, what

546
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: is this? And then it when I'm about to damn man,

547
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: when blond young nigga got the path throwing up gangs.

548
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: I just remember and when he said throwing up gang songs,

549
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: the two niggas in the cars they threw up their

550
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: hood and we was going down cripshaw and I just

551
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: got so infatuated with that song and these crips going

552
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: to show with this music because my dad that it

553
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: was jazz and the Hawkins, it was you andre crowds.

554
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I'm not with I was

555
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: a kid and I was like sowing back to what

556
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: what And they started letting me say, cuzin around this this.

557
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: Now I know that they turned me out, you know,

558
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, because because and my cousins say, now, when

559
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: we get off the car terry, don't tell your mama

560
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: who came and got us. So I ain't saying nothing.

561
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: If we could do that again, nothing, So man, I

562
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: started hanging with them, young man. The dudes are all yeah, yeah,

563
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: they off off. And I grew up in that neighborhood anyway,

564
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: but uh, that was that was the time anyway. Going

565
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: to the rodium swapping, Steve Banna said, you heard it

566
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: easy to Eat And this happened a week ago. But

567
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know the artist's name, and I said, I

568
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: don't know what I was young like. He got like

569
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: a sore voice, sound like a soword voice. Is his

570
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: name Sore Void? And he plays this and he played

571
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: the remix again. Then he was like, I'm goa he

572
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: this record. He was like, it's a radio version on

573
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: the other side, that's what you play. But he went

574
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: and winked aside, and that record, I tell Doctor Traider's story.

575
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: I took that record home and being being my mom

576
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: was in the process of learning how to be a

577
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: single mom. He's working, so she didn't have a lot

578
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: of time. So I'm playing all the cussing. Now I'm

579
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: full fledged wearing loaks in the mirror, Cortes in the mirror.

580
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: You seven. I'm telling my mama, Mama, how come we

581
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: not from Compton? Why are we not from Compton? Why

582
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: are we easy from Compton? Why? I want to be

583
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: from where easy from? So I would get good grades,

584
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: man and her treatment to drive me. She would drive

585
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: me in front of the Compting sign when I was

586
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: like seven eight because I was like infatuated. Then watch this,

587
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Watch how God work. So at eight years old. By then,

588
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: my family's in the music business. My aunties do all

589
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: the background at this time for Nita Baker, for any

590
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Cravis to Perry says, we're so at this time, we're

591
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: going to all the concerts. I'm I'm now I'm the

592
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: child in the black kid in the industry, drawing up

593
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: with the other black kids in.

594
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: This initial Mama side though, my mama side, so now

595
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: we're all singer and daddy side is a musician, all musicians. Okay, okay,

596
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: I had a funny joke.

597
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 1: But family looks at this. I won't say fucked up joking.

598
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: One sized writers, one side of the musicians, and it's

599
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: very obvious. But uh so I'm at the Universal Amphitheater

600
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: and at this time, this is a this is deep too,

601
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: This is this is deep. I ain't gonna bust no

602
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: tears on this one, but this is deep because it

603
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: had to be eighty eight. It's had to be eighty eight,

604
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: and uh eighty eight was deep because crack cocaine I

605
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: hit La tough at that time. Crack cocaine was like

606
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: everybody was affected by crack cocaine. And if you're around

607
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: that air, everybody either if somebody was selling it or

608
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: doing it, or one of your cousins you thought was balling.

609
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: When you figure out what happened to Leroy Leroyd and

610
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: tested this shit, it was a typical story. People were

611
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: selling phone cords, people was tearing off roofs trying to

612
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: sell you know, VC ours was you know, niggas was saying.

613
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: There was cableman with gas station shirt song trying to

614
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: get into the house. It was crack was running, rapping

615
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: and the music that was that was soothing everybody and

616
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: making sure black people dance was one man named Teddy

617
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: Roley with new Jack Swing at that time, and so

618
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: my mom would always play that album The First Guy Out.

619
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: I'll never forget, and that was eighty seven. It came

620
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: out eighty seven and she played out of New Year's

621
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: part of New Year's e Party eighty seven, going in

622
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: eighty eight and piece of My Love Autumn type records.

623
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: But going back to this concert, so eighty eight comes

624
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: guys coming to the concert. The tour is Guy was

625
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: the headliners Empty Hammer with two big mc kidding play

626
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: and kwame this with the tour and we was at

627
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: the Universe with theater. I was in the pit, and

628
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I was in the pit. I was always in the

629
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: front row. Now I'm kind of used to it, but

630
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, we about to see Guy. I'll never forget. God,

631
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: come on. They used to come on with the sheets

632
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: like this, Joe Hayron then playing journal. They used to

633
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: come on with the sheets where you couldn't see crowd screaming,

634
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: and ain't they started doing the running man. I remember

635
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking up and a joint dropped from somebody's head,

636
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: a joint, and I seen it and I picked it up,

637
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: and my mama right there, Teeley, my cousin Teey was

638
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: right there. I picked it up and I looked up

639
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: and it was Eric. It was easy e it dropped

640
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: out of his ear and I went and I remember

641
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: looking at him and he said, man, he said, you're

642
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: gonna be here the whole night. I'm like yeah, He's like,

643
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you backstage. When we went backstage, it

644
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: was Doctor Dre. He's I remember going to Easy I

645
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: still got the Raiders hat sign he signed, and he signed,

646
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: they all signed my rail sid and he said, stay

647
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: in school. Listen to your mama at the joint.

648
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay in school though, Yeah, you didn't understand school

649
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: after that day.

650
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: No, I'm just now now we just talk. I'm just

651
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: bringing I even thought about that till now. Wow, that's crazy.

652
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Did you give miss Dray back? And did you smoke it?

653
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: I gave it back? Well, I gave it back and

654
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: he talked to my mom that day. See here, that's

655
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: a cool little man. He gave me back my joint.

656
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: He said, when I was smoking his age. You know

657
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was cool my mom. My mom

658
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: still remembers that because I was so infatuated with Easy

659
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: Eata you know what I'm saying, Like you know, and

660
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: then just with doctor Dray and then when Straight out

661
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: of Compton came out and ice Cube, and we used

662
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: to see ice Cube right around the neighborhood in a

663
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: Suzuki Samurai because he grew up less than a mile

664
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: from where we all come from, so we to see him.

665
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: He's like, we see the ice cube, you know, But

666
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: what's good about l A. You grew up seeing that,

667
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: you grew up seeing to go battle Cat and that

668
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: duley man he put he get his haircut there. Okay, okay,

669
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait there because I don't want the plug

670
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: from this other nigga because he's trying to get some money.

671
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm away at the barbershop for battle Cat at good

672
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: friend's barbershop in the VNS. I'm gonna walk from the

673
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: six sous and walk to the VNS and wait for

674
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: battle Cat right there. So when he sees me, you know,

675
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm serious because I'm waiting for him in the vans

676
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: and I found him how to tape damn? What's up

677
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: to tape beats? Waiting my life to see battle Cat man,

678
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm you know, is this point I was a little older.

679
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: I was I was seventeen right then. I was seventeen,

680
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: And is.

681
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: That your first I'm like, obviously you've been playing with

682
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 3: you know you on this circuit. Yeah, but is this

683
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: your first kind of entry into trying to get into

684
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: the music business side of it though, because like you said,

685
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: you got a tape of beats at seventeen before that,

686
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: you just is jamming.

687
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: This is my first This is my first entrance into

688
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: like battle is a fancy car, fresh jewelry, fresh clothes.

689
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: He's with snooped all. This is the door and battle

690
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: Cat has given me so much information and teaching me.

691
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: So he's giving me so much to where it's like

692
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like even I'm so spiritually in debt to him,

693
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: but it's like I'm it's just like he's like, I'm

694
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: studying with him. So I take it he likes your beats. Yeah, yeah, because.

695
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: There's another side to that of if they don't like

696
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: your be yeah, you don't get these opportunities.

697
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: You know what I was But at that point, you

698
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: know the good part about me being such a focused

699
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: musician at that because at that age I'm already playing.

700
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: Though at that age, I'm I'm I'm playing. I'm already

701
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: in the jazz clubs, I'm already the midnight musicals, I'm

702
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: already playing with Andrew, I'm already with I'm already I'm

703
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: already on the whole other thing. Club Tank was going

704
00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: to to hear, ay, I'm already, young God. My my

705
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: teachers is Billy Higgins Andrew Gus. I mean, I'm just

706
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm La. I'm already moving. But when I told you

707
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: I saw Warren Campbell with that Mercedes bro that changed

708
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: my life? What what do you mean? Wasn't nobody pulling

709
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: up like that? And I'm from La, so I like

710
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: all this. I like everything, you know. I like everything

711
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: they teach us not to love and not to like.

712
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: I like those things you know, meaning finances. I like

713
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: the freedom money allowed you to have. I like property.

714
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: I like buying my children things. I like food, I

715
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: like him from I like shit, I like nice ship.

716
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: So so my my whole head, all my life weren't

717
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: waiting for the meek to inherit the earth. When I

718
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: when I saw Warren with that bance, I followed his program.

719
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, if I know anything, I know to

720
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up and follow a program. So I

721
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: followed this program. I start reading his credits. Did that

722
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: quit battle cay? Hmm? If he feels like that about that.

723
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: I need to I need to something. So what did

724
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: I do? I prayed to get with them, like I

725
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: prayed to get with Snood Dogg. I like I knew

726
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: I was going to I knew I was going to

727
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: get with battle Cat. I knew I was going to

728
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: study with DJ Quick. I knew these things because at

729
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: this time it just wasn't nobody of a fan and

730
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: the level of studying with production and frequencies and signing

731
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: things at my age as I was, because I was

732
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: into knowing who Dave Aaron is the tracking engineer for

733
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: all eyes on me? I was. I wasn't just into

734
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: knowing who played the mini move. I was into knowing

735
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: who was the second who passed the eleven seven, who

736
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: passed the prison, who patched? Who whose decision wasn't for that?

737
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: I was yeah, because I because I wanted to know why.

738
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: And then LA got tricky because I want to know

739
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: why niggas said they was good because my dad from

740
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: the East Coast. I also going back and forth to

741
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: the East Coast a lot where the focus wasn't about

742
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: finances and it was about the face value. Are you

743
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: a bad motherfucker? Wraether you in church? You in the club.

744
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: Can you play? It was just about that. It wasn't

745
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: about who you was with, what gigy was on, how

746
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: does your watch shine? How do you smile? How many things?

747
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't about none of that. Can you play tonight?

748
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: And can you bring emotion to the table. If you can't,

749
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: you irrelevant. That's where he was coming from, you know.

750
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: So I had that in me. So when I got

751
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: through La because my dad used to talk crazy shit

752
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: about LA musicians horrible. I used to hate it, Like, bro,

753
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm from LA. You have me corner just motherfuckers, you know,

754
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: twirling sticks and dance corny, you know, but you know,

755
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, i'd be like ya.

756
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: I think I like everything he says. He doesn't like.

757
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: I like that, you know what I'm saying. But I

758
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: just you know, man, just yeah, where was we at?

759
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: You said, don't get too high. You showed a way

760
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: too late. I smoked to join the car, wrote you

761
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: showed a way too late.

762
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: You are a real musician, though, this is this is it,

763
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: This is this is what. And people don't get to

764
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: see real creatives, right, They get to hear yeah, real creatives,

765
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: but like seeing a real creative, bro. Like, that's why

766
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: you were so important for us to bring on this podcast.

767
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: Your your resume is your resume. But and I don't

768
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: think you know this when I when I call you,

769
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 3: I call you about being a creative Yeah, when we talk,

770
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: because I know that I'm tapping into a source for me.

771
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: And I have no problem saying that openly and honestly.

772
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Look, we never talk about

773
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: the ball game. No, we never talk about the ball game.

774
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: I have great ballgame talk to No.

775
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: We like when I when I call you, it is

776
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: to tap into a source of real creativity and the

777
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: mind of somebody who lives music. And people don't always

778
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: get to see that. And that's why I said you

779
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 3: were so important for us to bring on here.

780
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because this is unscripted, we

781
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: don't do you know what I mean? Like, Man, I've

782
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: been waiting to get on this show.

783
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: I want I want you to I want you to

784
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: forget the stories in the middle of the story.

785
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes Yeah, and then it comes to you. It come

786
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: to you because you know it's the these are we

787
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: talking about in the late nineteen hundreds, Man, We're talking

788
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: about something like you know you know this is funny.

789
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: I was supposed to play Nissan used to try to

790
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: give me on so many gigs. Nothing was coming through

791
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: for a while, Right, I'm gonna try and get the

792
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: horns and get the horns and get the horns, and

793
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, the horn is always last. That's why I

794
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: started playing keyboard a whole bunch whole snoop. Really be

795
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: cracking to get the horn section. Yeah, you gotta have

796
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: a real budget. Yeah, real budget budget. You know. You know,

797
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: y'all not cheap, bro, The horn section is not cheap.

798
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm never in the horn section keys no now.

799
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying it goes. It goes your basic

800
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: four piece, right, maybe you maybe you get some money

801
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: double up on the keyboard player, and then when you

802
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: get a little extra.

803
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: Change, the percussionist comes in.

804
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: The percussion you're a percussionist, and then you get.

805
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: Harmed because horns is like to me on the outside

806
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 3: of like y'all super musicians, right, I do music.

807
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: It's a difference. So for me, I look at whenever

808
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: niggas got a horn section. Oh, the niggas is no.

809
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: That's I'm like, like, I mean, when you see a

810
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: band of when you see an artist. When you see

811
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: an artist with a full band, when you see an

812
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: R and B artist with a when you see a

813
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: black arm and be artists keep going. You had a

814
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: full band on stage. They care about the people. We

815
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: ain't no money being got made. It's all for y'all.

816
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: I got it, like I gotta do the l a

817
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: show like this. I gotta do that, you know. It's

818
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: it's when I see horn section and this, you know,

819
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: when I started seeing dancers and horn sections, I'm like,

820
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: oh man, but the horn section is always, you know.

821
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: And my job for a lot of artists is to like, Terrris,

822
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: how can we make money and kill this? And my

823
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: job is to say never mind. But my job is

824
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: to protect a lot of the artists and tell them

825
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: how to kind of cut the band but still give

826
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: the same effects so they can make money for their family,

827
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't know when you have

828
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: a band sometimes, I mean other than the huge top

829
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: five arena artists, right, but but having a band and

830
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: usually with an artist. For me, even being a touring artist,

831
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: is because we loved the fellowship and love the musicians

832
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: on stage because sometime we're not even taking on half

833
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: the money. I learned something by you a cup. Every

834
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: time I bump in the Tank, it's on a flight,

835
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: and to one time I was humbled because it was

836
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: one of these flights that I was like, I shouldn't

837
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: be flying first class because I really can't afford this

838
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: first class sticket. But I'm so used to doing it.

839
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it anyway. And Tank was on the

840
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: same flight, right behind me on the Premium Plus with

841
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: have the money, and this is Tank. That's when I

842
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: told you premium Plus. I told you I saw Tank

843
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: four times in the past five years with a pillow.

844
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: I saw in Atlanta. I saw taking different. I saw

845
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: him for nessing Dorp, at the people at the I

846
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: saw Tank Tank as a well traveled touring artist. So

847
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: that's why actually I say I saw Tank. No more

848
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: first class.

849
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: I gotta get early, build my mileage up Come on

850
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: and I can I can get that comfort seat.

851
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and bet on the upgrade.

852
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: Can you get if I don't get guess I still

853
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: got a nice window. The TV show you what I'm

854
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: leanked over sacks on me some cheese.

855
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: It's and that way. That way you can still have

856
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: the band.

857
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: And you have a club membership where you can go

858
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: eat before you get on the frame.

859
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: So you good.

860
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: That's that's really the difference on most first class flas.

861
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: The food is the food. You get to eat some food.

862
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: The only time I need first classes overseas.

863
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: You definitely need first class. How many lay down Japan?

864
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: Your you know you're doing those runs.

865
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're doing those runs. Now we you haven't

866
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 1: been to your Oh, let's do the project together. Let's

867
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: go a project of bat ballots. Robert loves his piano.

868
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: The hey talks about that. Yeah, he takes record. Yeah, man,

869
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: I heard it. Man, you know I'm gonna taken man.

870
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: I was telling him the other day too, like I

871
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: appreciate guys like you, Robert.

872
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: Adam Blackstone, Oh yeah, Adam.

873
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: Guys that are guys that are that are purest in

874
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: your thing and in music, but that still can relate

875
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: to a tank who is and this is this is,

876
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: this is me just speaking freely.

877
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: He got that same type of gift.

878
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: But I think some musicians say because of the songs

879
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: that he sings are the way that he looks singing

880
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 3: those songs with his shirt off and all that other ship,

881
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: I think he gets judged by that.

882
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: But I don't think y'all do. But yere, but there

883
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: are a certain section of these purists.

884
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: Who are like, no, no, no, we can't, we can't

885
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: include him. Yeah, I appreciate y'all for that.

886
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that will he won't say that, but I'm

887
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, Well, I mean, I mean, Tank is

888
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: a proven generation bad motherfucker artists. Like it's just he's

889
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: done all the all the proper steps from he's done

890
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: it's steps to this ship. Yeah, because I'm not giving

891
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: this ship up for all the no no no no

892
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: no no no no no, no no no. We're talking

893
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: about it. Man. You said some years ago on Sway,

894
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: uh uh you said, uh about publishing. People just want

895
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: to publishing. You said, man, you better write an idea.

896
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: You better come home some you better come like just

897
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: give me something. Yes, Like when you notice like the

898
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: like Tank is in the class of its own, and

899
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: usually what happens is is like nobody wants to be

900
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: confronted with the truth. Mhm. You know, it's that's hard.

901
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: That's that's that's that's hard to no matter what the

902
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: theatrics are, what the pyro is, what the that's that's

903
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: a hard emotional thing to know. You was talking about

904
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: it man with your lady the night before, and you

905
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: gotta go on after this man. But he just stripped

906
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: the whole band because they missed the flights because we

907
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: had to get them certain tickets because you know, be

908
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: like that. But he just he put a piano out

909
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: there and just tank you only got four minutes. And

910
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: then he decides to do something like he looks in

911
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: the front five six rolls and see all these beautiful

912
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: women and all these men on their phones, not paying

913
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: it until they women, and he does, I can't make

914
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: you love me. And no matter your pyro, your flips,

915
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: even your hits, you can't fight the heart. You can't

916
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: when people when somebody has a gift musically to make

917
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: the heart, to make another human's heart, do things that's

918
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: more powerful than the ear. We all the ears, physicals

919
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: and muscles, you go on and you know when you

920
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: get older about but the heart, you never forget how

921
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: something make you feel. You know that and that so

922
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of people don't got time for that.

923
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: They don't got time to make people feel like anything.

924
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: They're trying to get to the next thing, and you know,

925
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: and that's a reminder of you gotta practice, you gotta practice.

926
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: He's practicing every day. He's singing every days in the gym.

927
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: That's a serious mind. You I'm from the era of

928
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: serious musicians, like are very physically in shape, Like it

929
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: doesn't go one way. Like my father was like, because

930
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm not like my dad. My dad was a run

931
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: three mile this prote you know, till I remember when

932
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: he couldn't even walk and he was like that Dad,

933
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: what you doing? He was like, I'm working out because

934
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: the blood got to go somewhere. He's working out his hands.

935
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: The blood gotta go somewhere. Wow. And when he couldn't

936
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: move his hands, he started doing his eyelids like he

937
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: would read charts and do the claping count with the

938
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: eyelids every day, every day, every day. So it's like tank,

939
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: I I come from a line and from a thing

940
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: where that this this is a product of a this

941
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: is this is a real this is R and B.

942
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: You know that's really what it. He embodies that, and

943
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are just worried about

944
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: everybody that embodies the truth. You know, these are my

945
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: opinions and you know, these are my opinions. He's are

946
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: in law. These aren't anything. But I do know, you

947
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: know what Herbie always teaches me and Quincy always teaches me.

948
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: It really is like everybody has their book. Everybody book

949
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: is completely different, and one of the worst things we

950
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: could do is pay attention to someone else's book and

951
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: timeline because everybody's got a book. It's like, you, man,

952
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: you know how this shit go. Man, they're not going

953
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: to tell you the shit or we say till we go.

954
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the prices you pay to

955
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: make sure you're doing the right thing to them hearts.

956
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's a miserable thing that

957
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: I got so many friends that focused on the ears

958
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: of their career, big houses, nice fast cars and this,

959
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: and then I go visit their house and it's a

960
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: new nigga this year, standing in the house they had

961
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: in the same house. They you know the rotations, you

962
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: know the rotation. Come on, y'all, we know the rotation.

963
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: And I'm from here, so I grew. I grew up

964
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: seeing the rotation, the same the same visitors, same people.

965
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: You know. It's so hard for me to go to

966
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: some of these award shows now, because I'm like, man,

967
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: it's all these either are the same guys have been

968
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: fucking everybody over twenty years. They still get the seats.

969
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing these days, you know what I'm saying.

970
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, man, you know, when it's the truth,

971
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: it's very difficult. But when you got to stay on

972
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: that path, Miles David stayed on the path, you know.

973
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: You know, James Brown stayed on the path. He was

974
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: a bad motherfuckers man without the memes and the funny

975
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: should that go around. Now, the serious of these of

976
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: these catch is serious, man, you know. So as you

977
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: start to move into this space of.

978
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: Music business, right the recording side of the music business, producing,

979
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 3: making your own projects, doing this whole thing, because now

980
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: that that's a whole other world. We all know this

981
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: is what is your first taste of success, and you're My.

982
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: First taste of success is really sitting down figuring out

983
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: a plan. And I remember when I got done, right

984
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: my mother fucking playing what I'm gonna do. I said,

985
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna follow. I'm gonna look at Nissan and Rapture

986
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: and Warren Campbell. Nissan Rapture was doing beats and was

987
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it was playing for everybody. Then they hustled

988
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: up on the beat thing moved, they moved, they moved

989
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: through the musician shit. Warren Campbell was playing on everybody

990
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: record and ended up making the name. So I was like, okay,

991
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: Warren got that bends. I mean, he didn't stay in

992
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: the musician touring chair too long. So I said, okay,

993
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: I can't stay here too long. And uh you know

994
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: that was that was like, really the the the real

995
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: thing is, let me use the saxophone. All those saxophones

996
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 1: my first love and my love I love Charlie Parker,

997
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: John colechran SONI instead cannaball Adlie, Eddie Clinton and Vincent.

998
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: I love the saxophone. But I also grew with a

999
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: single mom in the South, like whatever daddy that played jazz,

1000
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: but he wasn't one of the famous guys, Like he

1001
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: wasn't going to Japan like me and my friends are.

1002
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't also lucky, you know what I'm saying. So

1003
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm aware of what I what. I like this jazz shit.

1004
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I like this, I like this. I love this, damn bro,

1005
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go to the Marina to the movies.

1006
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the Jays and I got a

1007
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: baby at fifteen. I got his mom on my head,

1008
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: shot out on the car, his mom on my head.

1009
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, she on my head. Bro, She's like, you're

1010
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna work at toys r us. I'm like, I ain't

1011
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: doing none of that. I'm gonna be a famous jazz musician.

1012
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: Got me fucked up, but I'm gonna make it. I

1013
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: was saying that, but in my head I was like this,

1014
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: Josh is I just it's sounded good, you know, man?

1015
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: So I really followed what I would like to hope.

1016
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: I think I followed that Warren Campbell and that I

1017
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: follow portions of the Warren Campbell and the Nissan and Raptor.

1018
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: They were the closest ones I seen be a musician.

1019
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: And then my boy, my friend that really put me

1020
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: on with Snoop was a brother by the name of

1021
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: Marlon Williams, a guitarist like the like all the records

1022
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: I've done with Kendrick Travis Scott, Snoop and my whole

1023
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: catalog for like sixteen years of catalog music. He is

1024
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: the guitarist that's writing the guitar parts. Like not just

1025
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: playing on top of my harmony one note lines. He's

1026
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: writing parts that if you solo them, the crowd will

1027
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: sing like King Konna, all these different records, just you know,

1028
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: if these walks just drill deep records. So he was

1029
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: already with Snoop, you know, And I never will forget

1030
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: because I was like, man, I need to get with Snoop.

1031
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: I needed because I messed with when I was sixteen

1032
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: and I heard him say, Lok, I know he from

1033
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: Long Beach from twenty Crip. I'm involved, I'm involved in

1034
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm involved in the Crip card, the crib Nation. So

1035
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: I know, I know if I get with Snoop and

1036
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: Snoop find out that I'm a musical guy that come

1037
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: from that thing, that is familiar with that thing. And

1038
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: I was like, if I could get with Snoop, you know,

1039
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: I never asked battle Cat to put me with Snoop.

1040
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: I never asked none of them guys to put me

1041
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: with Snoop. Marlon Williams, I said, man, I gotta get

1042
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: with Snoop, you know, because I was always a real

1043
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: respectful musician because I grew up with musicians, so I

1044
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: knew not to overstep my boundaries. If a producer called me,

1045
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: I knew when I was a musician to leave when

1046
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: it's time to leave. You were just you were there

1047
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: to play session. That's why I work so much. I

1048
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: knew how to shut the fuck up and keep pushing

1049
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: keep my job because I saw a lot of musicians

1050
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: that I grew up. My uncle's in different family that

1051
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: was very opinionated people, you know. And I saw how

1052
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: opinions didn't work too well in the workforce in Los Angeles.

1053
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: People arguing over pins the most stupid shit in the

1054
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: fucking world. So I knew then to shut the fuck

1055
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: up if I want to work and make a living

1056
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: in La record culture. So I never asked battle Cat

1057
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: and none of them to put me with Snoop. And

1058
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask battle Cap for that because

1059
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't want to be around Snoop and

1060
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: battle Cat. I just wanted battle Cat. I didn't want

1061
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: to share no time with battle Cat. I wanted to

1062
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: get everything I could. Battle Cat is enough of the

1063
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: star and still to this day he's he's I look

1064
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: at him the same way I look at Quincy Jones

1065
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: For me personally, you know, for me personally, I look

1066
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: at him as the architect. He's the guy from my

1067
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: neighborhood that was on the radio with Domino that whoa Okay,

1068
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 1: so we could still be us. But we could still

1069
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: be us, still be g with it, love our families,

1070
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: love God. If we got a trip, slap a niggas,

1071
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: we got a trip. But love music, you know. And

1072
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: he loved his He loved his kids, you know. And

1073
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: I used to love the fact he he loved because

1074
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: I back then, I'm from the air of you know,

1075
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: you didn't have no money. The baby mama was not

1076
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: fucking It was a bad time and in black history,

1077
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: I call it straight up, you know, And it was

1078
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: just money was driving the world where I didn't have

1079
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot of man at a certain age. So seeing

1080
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: battle Cat raised as kids really helped me maneuver with

1081
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: my children and they moms just to the best of

1082
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: my ability at that time. You know what I'm saying.

1083
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: But Marlon Williams uh Man, I mean, I'm at the GMW,

1084
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: a Gospel Music Workshop of America. I'm doing credit card fraud.

1085
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm flying choirs out on fake credit cards. I'm hustling,

1086
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: but I'm also but I'm also playing with God's problem.

1087
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: I'm playing now, I'm scamming for me, not the chuck.

1088
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: We're not gonna put God in that. It's great. So

1089
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: I was at the gmw A and it was in Minneapolis,

1090
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: and back then I was doing credit card fraud a lot.

1091
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: I got in trouble for that. When I was trying

1092
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: to make my way to be a musician. I want

1093
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: to fly places and meet up with the homies, So

1094
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: I knew how to run the plays. You feel me like,

1095
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be broke if the horn break, if

1096
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: the music stopped me, I ain't gonna be broke. That's

1097
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: what I ain't gonna do. I ain't grow up like.

1098
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna even move like that. So I was

1099
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: just trying to get it, not to do anything other

1100
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: than my music career and the fly the homies out,

1101
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: the fly keyboards out. And you know, we did have

1102
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: I went to jail for this. So we had these

1103
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: fake business cars that it's a Dog, the travel agent.

1104
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: So if we ever get called by the police, we

1105
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: gave him the car like man. We didn't. We didn't

1106
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: know we got the ticket from Dog. But come to doubt,

1107
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: dog bad idea so I flew about five choirs out

1108
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: to the GMW Way, but for some reason they return

1109
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: tickets didn't work. They got stuck, and I'm there and

1110
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm there on these tickets too. But now I'm like,

1111
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: I get the car. I'm like, don't trip. Let me

1112
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: get back to my hotel room because I got a

1113
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: sweet you know, I got my see to my laptop.

1114
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm u. Back then, it wasn't no fast internet, so

1115
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: I had to go to Kinko's a lot. Yeah, feel

1116
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: me surviving. So I'm like, don't trip. I'm gonna get

1117
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: all y'all homes. Just just I talked to Homie. I

1118
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 1: just tell them, tell them, mister glitch cud, we're gonna

1119
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: work it out. Just tell him, pray we're gonna do.

1120
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: It's nothing. But when I go back to my room

1121
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: to get on my laptop to do the un my

1122
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: card ain't working. And then I'm like, but now, let

1123
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: me tell you. When you when you're doing that life,

1124
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: you gotta believe in the in the whole thing. So

1125
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: you like, they made a mistake. So I go down

1126
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: I can't make this ship up. Many I go downstairs.

1127
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, my keys not working, and they said, oh,

1128
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: wait right here, that's what you're supposed to leave when

1129
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: you committed, because this is when we was you know,

1130
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: he kind of god what And I was like, get

1131
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: the manager, are you gonna do that? And my sense

1132
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: in the room, my horn, my bags, everything's in the room.

1133
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: So I called my dad because my dad's living in Minneapolis, right,

1134
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: I said, Dad, the thing just boned out. I need

1135
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: you to pull up and just I'm gonna say some

1136
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: shit to go and get. I'm gonna say I got asthma.

1137
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm about to fake this asthma atack. I'm about to

1138
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: get into this room and get my ship. I need

1139
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: to pull up, get this back door. I'm'na hopp in

1140
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: the car. We're gonna bone out. And this is when Sprint.

1141
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: I was doing the burnout phones with Sprint. No next

1142
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: till to burn out the chirps, right, So I'm like right,

1143
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: so I never forget. They let me out, like, well

1144
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: we will, we'll iron out the payment. But let me

1145
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: get my asthma ship. We'll iron out the payment. So

1146
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: I went up got my ship. That's why to this

1147
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: day I keep my shit be by the door. Get

1148
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: got my ship. Hotel, my dad waiting to hop in

1149
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: the car as I'm getting the car. Because I told Marlon,

1150
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: if Snoop needs a nigga to roll his blunts, take

1151
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: pictures to wipe his shoes, to carry the luckas Marlin

1152
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: had been with Snoop since ninety five and tour him

1153
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: with Snoop forever. So Marlon was the real plug for

1154
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: all of us to any bit of celebrity anything. So

1155
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: I said, if Snoop me anything. So a year later,

1156
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: Marlin said, Hey, Snoop want to try horns. He want

1157
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 1: to try horns. I said, what you mean horns? I said,

1158
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: I said, what you mean? He like he wants you

1159
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: to he I got it. Situation, try horns. She said, hey,

1160
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: just to burnout, he said, he keep your motherfucking beats

1161
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: in your pocket. Do not do this gig to give

1162
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: him beats. You do this gig to do a good show,

1163
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: to mention the music is right. If you do this wrong,

1164
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna fuck up any window of giving him any music.

1165
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: Don't be the typical musician fucking up the moment and

1166
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: rushing the moment because you feel like it's your moment.

1167
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: You're it is, You're I'm going to get this or

1168
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: it's never gonna happen in it. Just chill, you're already in.

1169
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: Just chill and man. And for a year I had

1170
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: a back pocket full of beats, and every day I

1171
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: just go this minute, snoop, just look at me the

1172
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: wrong I was right. So one day we was rehearsing,

1173
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: I flew back and oh mind you, I'm in the

1174
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: car running. I never got back to choirs. That's why

1175
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: I left the gospel, my gospel career alone. I left

1176
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: them all there, so I had to come back to

1177
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: l A. Wait. Wait, I never figured out the choirs.

1178
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: I see something to this day. Everything cool now. But

1179
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: they made it back. They made it back. Shout out.

1180
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: They know me. I was young. I was young. I

1181
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: was just doing my thing. I didn't mean no harm.

1182
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: But you gotta know if she is a real discount

1183
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: crazy rate, like, come on, I fly back. My mama

1184
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: sent me the money. Mama, send me money, fly back.

1185
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: I ain't got no money. Please whatever me your money, Mama.

1186
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: I can't talk to you. You know what I'm involved in.

1187
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: Get me back home, mama, because they could the police.

1188
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: I just I want to go back and I want

1189
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: to with Snoop. This is I've been praying. So that's

1190
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: the chirp you get. Just the church, Hello, Mark like

1191
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: a nigga, get back to La tomorrow. We gotta rehearsal

1192
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: Snoop on a horn section what I'm out of God's property?

1193
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: Fuck them get back the dog, won't you. I'm on

1194
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: the way.

1195
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 3: Because I probably can't talk to God's property this because

1196
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: I did you out because they're stuck in Minnesota.

1197
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: I came back. We rehearsed s I R my first time.

1198
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I just how old are you at

1199
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: this point? Nineteen? Oh, your baby nineteen? Right now. I'm

1200
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: not letting a nineteen year old nigga book my ticket anyway.

1201
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm just not. Let me

1202
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: tell you somebody respectfully, back in those days, you gotta say,

1203
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: back in those days, you know every you know, the

1204
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: Black Church is a real culture. Man. Discounts is a

1205
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: real thing, discounter real thing.

1206
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: Well was a discounting No, No, I mean, I mean

1207
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 2: you gotta get to it.

1208
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: You gotta get how much did they pay you?

1209
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 3: Because they paid him on twenty five fifty most ever

1210
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: got a Sunday was one fifty fifty.

1211
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, sat big. Did you even get that? Did you

1212
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: get that? It started off at twenty five. He's from

1213
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: the East coast though, Like that's you you, that's I

1214
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: mean the campers play, I mean the biggest guys just

1215
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: I played for. Like, that's just more of the l

1216
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: A was always different. It's like I feel like LA

1217
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: had more of a business culture. Nineteen Yeah, close to

1218
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: for sure. The music going out here for sure. Yeah,

1219
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen twenty for me, those three years I was

1220
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: at Church oft the Harvest and for a week for sure.

1221
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: I remember ninety eight, I was getting twelve hundred a week.

1222
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: That's five serve because I was selling for Donald Hayes

1223
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: for three years. He went on on a play god

1224
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: for plays was a real Oh yeah.

1225
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 3: Church Harvest was the first mega church I'd ever been to.

1226
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: Oh that's the real in my life.

1227
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: It was real, man. I never seen nothing like that.

1228
01:05:58,640 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: I knew I was making money because I ran the

1229
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: car for three years. What I was making Church, I

1230
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: was getting paid. I was making I was like twelve

1231
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: hundred bucks a week. I didn't have no rent. Yeah,

1232
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: you just cooking. I'm just hanging trying to get the

1233
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg Wow, still trying to get out the church,

1234
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: though still trying to not play in the church, still

1235
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: doing rebel shit like like like I was doing because

1236
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: because like mcclennan was on TV, and I was like, man,

1237
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: I can't be known as as I don't want to

1238
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: be known as a church dude, like I don't want

1239
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: to be known as the jazz dude. I want to

1240
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: be known as a musicians. So what I'm gonna do different?

1241
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: So I was always early with like I'm gonna die

1242
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: my hair fire engine red because I'm directly behind the camera.

1243
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die my hair bright red so everybody could

1244
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: see me because we're on TV. I ain't got nothing,

1245
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: no mystery, that's TV, that's business. I was on that thing.

1246
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: We cut the cameras off. Your were on TV. I

1247
01:06:52,840 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: gotta be seeing like you know. But so church I was.

1248
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: I was, I was making and then I grew up

1249
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 1: and then like Andrew guhat my mentor, I was doing

1250
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: like whatever Donald Hayes didn't want to do. I remember

1251
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: me learning, trying to learn so many Donald hayes uh

1252
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: way of playing because he he knew how to play saxophone,

1253
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: where I've seen it creates real estate, you know, high

1254
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: notes and grace notes and knowing how to play those

1255
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: gospel tunes like be grateful and like really knowing how

1256
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: to pull out the like the spear come through when

1257
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: he plays. So I was like, oh, I see, I see.

1258
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: So I just always saw Donald Hayes rock crowds and Andrew.

1259
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: Andrew wasn't doing no these the wasn't local church dude.

1260
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: These are innovators, animals. Yeah, so I was on. I

1261
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: was young and really not worthy at all, but I

1262
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: was on. They gig, you know whatever Donald didn't want

1263
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: to do. I do them all. You know, I do everything.

1264
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: You know, Donald was the only dude and getting bread

1265
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: all the records shout out to Donald Hayes. Man shot

1266
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: Donald Hayes like for real, Like, yeah, so you end

1267
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: with Snoop? When does he hear it beat? I'll hear

1268
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: it go. Yeah. I did one whole tour with Snoop

1269
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Pepper tour, three months. I didn't say

1270
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: ship played my role, kept it cool. Uh, I got

1271
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: close with it. When we got back. We built a

1272
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: relationship and I ended up staying staying with him, just

1273
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: always going to his house, just pulling up and then, uh,

1274
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: one day I remember he was a it had to

1275
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: be one of the days he You know, everybody knows

1276
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 1: if you when Kobe was playing a Laker game, Snoop

1277
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: is not dealing with music when the Laker games playing,

1278
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: when the Laker games on, and we used to live

1279
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: so far. By the time I get to Snoop's house,

1280
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: the Laker game had just starts. So and I'm not

1281
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: leaving right and I'm not that much into sports, but

1282
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: I learned through this. Like you know, when Snoop says yeah,

1283
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: you say yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying,

1284
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I feel like I want to say, I

1285
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: want to say. I want to say one night the

1286
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: Lakers lost or something like that, and uh, I just

1287
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: happened to be there with the beat, and you know,

1288
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: he would always playing video games and Nate Dog be around.

1289
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: And then I remember asking the engineer play some beats.

1290
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, he means like pre existing because now I'm

1291
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: trying to listen for the clues because I don't want

1292
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: to because Marlin said, don't don't don't, don't pre do it,

1293
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: don't suck it up, So I don't want to suck

1294
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: it up. So I'm listening for the cues. I'm like

1295
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: the beat. And then the engineer took a little while

1296
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: and then he just for something. It must have been god, bro.

1297
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: He just turned me and said, you got any beats?

1298
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: And I was like, and I remember this exact day.

1299
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 1: He took the b said, I said, these are eighteen beats.

1300
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: These for you. I made these for these feet, these

1301
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: for you, like these for you. He probably thought I

1302
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: was weird because I was like, I'm built to work

1303
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: with you. I am, I'm built to work with you.

1304
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: I prayed to work with you at twelve, like I.

1305
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: So he like then. So then he says, he said

1306
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: I could do whatever I want with these beats. I

1307
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: said yeah. He say, these beats are all mine. He

1308
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 1: said yeah. He said again, I could do whatever I

1309
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: want with these beats. I said yeah. And the start

1310
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: of me and his relationship of me by myself without

1311
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: being a ghost keyboard player like I was for years

1312
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: on a lot of a lot of major producers by

1313
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: the time I got when he said that, it was

1314
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: at the time we also met a young man by

1315
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: the name of Sycamore, and Sycamore was really influencing Snoop

1316
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 1: Dogg back then on doing mixtapes and Snoop has started

1317
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: this series called Welcome to the Church series and it

1318
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: was tearing up the streets at LA and the first

1319
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: important series, the ones, was mainly produced by a young

1320
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: terrorist Martin doing most of the music with a jelly

1321
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: roll and a battle cat and then he'll say my name,

1322
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: And then I was on the road with him. So

1323
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: then I start learning. So then I was saying in

1324
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: my head, I said, as I'm on the road now

1325
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: records just mixtape records. But I didn't need no money.

1326
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never, I never, I didn't need no money.

1327
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: I was. I'm just gracious you wrapped on the beat

1328
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 1: of mine. I didn't need no I would have I

1329
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: would have worked, I would have paid you to do this.

1330
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't need no money. I'm just happy you did it.

1331
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: And I was on the road and I started doing

1332
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: things like how I got on so many records. I

1333
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: start seeing, you know, most musician behavior on the road

1334
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,560
Speaker 1: with the artists is either go back, go hang by themselves.

1335
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: Some go eat with the guys. Some try to hang

1336
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: out laughing joke with the artists. I hate those guys.

1337
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: They laugh and joke with the artists, you know. For me,

1338
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: I knew that Snoop stayed in studios in LA, but

1339
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: it was no studio for him on the road. So

1340
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,560
Speaker 1: I convinced the security cars. I said, man, can I

1341
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 1: ride the security bus? And the securities was intense. Nobody

1342
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: wants to ride a streep. I said, man, can me

1343
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: give me and my friend k Kmoski Washington Kmosity ride

1344
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: the security bus because I told you, man, I'm gonna

1345
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: bring a studio. But he didn't know I was doing this,

1346
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: so I lie and told security, Yeah, Snoop said it's

1347
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: cool for me to bring the studio. Because now now

1348
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm finessing because now I'm knowing he don't talk to

1349
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: the excuse he's a start. He talks to him, but

1350
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: about security him. He's not worried about the studio with

1351
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: these guys. So I'm already like, this is what we're

1352
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: gonna do. So I'm like Snoop saying, man, let me

1353
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: get the whole back of the bus so I could.

1354
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: I could because this is before this is the inbox. Absolutely,

1355
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: I still have to bring a power supplier. It's it's

1356
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: no soft sense going on right now. So I had

1357
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: that studio on that bus, and I just know every

1358
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: Snoop because now that I'm already in with Snoop, I

1359
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: still respected Marylon. Marlon was still with me the whole way,

1360
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: and I said, what should I do? Now? Should move?

1361
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: He'd be like, when we get to the next city soundcheck,

1362
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: you make sure you sit at that keyboard and whatever

1363
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: song Snoop sing, you better know it. And if he

1364
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: sing a song, you play a song that he knowing

1365
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: that keyboard. After that he gonna be fucking with you.

1366
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: And then tell him, man, I got a studio on

1367
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: the bus, let's get out. So I was like, oh shit,

1368
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: this is like some some other shit. The snoopid Gun

1369
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 1: sound checks and do a blue Magic song and do

1370
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: a temptation. He's a he's a walking DJ. So I'd

1371
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I don't have as many years of music.

1372
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: But at this point I grew up playing the Townhouse

1373
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: and play black clubs, black weddings, Like I know all

1374
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 1: the songs I need to know for a black wedding,

1375
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: a baby shower of anything. I know all the so

1376
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: I know your songs. I know I know the songs.

1377
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: And he starts singing, what song did he start singing,

1378
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: hold on, oh guy. I think it was God will

1379
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 1: take care of You. About the Hawkins, it was some obscure.

1380
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: It was some like esoteric song that you had to

1381
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: have like a love a live album to know this.

1382
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: And it just so happened to see how God do

1383
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 1: he put me ride in place? I had just spent

1384
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: a year studying this music with with Robert but See

1385
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: Wright and Dallas R. C. Williams, Sean Martin. I had

1386
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: just left Dallas for a year studying with all the

1387
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: gospel baddest motherfuckers in the world and knowing all the

1388
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: Hawkins songs. So I was white when he said God

1389
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: will take care of You and the band started playing it,

1390
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, right after I said, hey, I

1391
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: got a studio on the bus because I'm trying to

1392
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: fuck with you. I'm on the bus. He like, you

1393
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: got a host on the bus YEP. So he started

1394
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: making that security bus park in the It was I

1395
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: was looking like, you know, the whole bus with parks

1396
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: or snoo could get to the studio early, you know,

1397
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: and I would be the only engineer on the bus.

1398
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: And that's how we really bonded. Studio. Then when I

1399
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 1: got back to La, I would go to his house

1400
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: because I wasn't going to Snoop Dogg for placements. See

1401
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: that's where everybody got it fucked up. I wasn't. My

1402
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: quest wasn't to come out on records with Snoop Dogg.

1403
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: My quest was to be next to him and just

1404
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: figure out what can I learn from him? What can

1405
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: I how can I learn? My goal was never how

1406
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: many records I got on Snoop. If that was my goal,

1407
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: I probably would have a lot more. My goal was

1408
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: to be around and be a service, no matter what

1409
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: I was doing for Snoop. If Snoop needed the baddest

1410
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: musicians in the world done a cat Robert Glass for this,

1411
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: if Snoop needed that, blah blah, same thing for Kendrick.

1412
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: It just so happens. I'm I'm you know, I'm a

1413
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: very good record producer and musician. But if I could

1414
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: just fellowship the vibe, that's my thing, you know, I

1415
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: think that's my gift, Fellowship the vibe. You know, that's

1416
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: kind of my thing. Man. You know. So I think

1417
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: with Snoop we really bonded because he see I didn't

1418
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: want nothing, you know, I didn't need nothing because I

1419
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: didn't know I didn't need anything. You know, I didn't

1420
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: know what nothing about. I was just happy that I

1421
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: had food and I could be traveling the world. And

1422
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 1: I know, damn well, this man could do this shit

1423
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: with a fucking MP three and they still gonna come.

1424
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: I never would forget. The band sounded horrible one night

1425
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: cause niggas was being funny. If the band they was

1426
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: being funny, there was being you know, when band members

1427
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: get paid a little late, they be little attitudes and shit.

1428
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: But but now Snoop, he didn't build me. I'm five

1429
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: years now. He got me. I care about the whole program.

1430
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, yeah, we gonna uh nah cause

1431
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 1: I know so many people when I go back home,

1432
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: they would love this. They would love this. You know.

1433
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: That's when you see Snoop was the first one I had,

1434
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: me and the band Kama seeing the band, Thundercat in

1435
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: the band, Robert S. Bussey right in the like, Snoop

1436
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: is the fucking Billy eckstein oft this shit. And if

1437
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: you know about Billy Ecksteon, you know Billy Extern had

1438
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: Disney Gillespie. Billy extn't had Miles Davis, Charlie Parker. Snop

1439
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: is that without without Snoop, any equation, Los Angeles is

1440
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: nothing musically, not rap. Rap is one part of Snoop

1441
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: Doggie Dog, the franchise, the whole thing of UH. The

1442
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: death Row and the Snoop are are the ones that

1443
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,959
Speaker 1: hired all the musicians. That's what hired all the musicians.

1444
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: The musicians was so mad when when Roger Lynn put

1445
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: out that fucking drum machine. They were so mad when

1446
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: the Lyn drum came out because drummers lost work. They

1447
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: were so mad when the Yamaha DX seven came out

1448
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: because horn players lost work. They were so fucking mad

1449
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: and depressed and broken hearts, families getting lost, people live

1450
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: in hotels. It was dark. Death Row came that kind

1451
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: of music, you know. It was when you have a

1452
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 1: hit record with live music on it on the baseline.

1453
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 1: Now those local musicians in that town, they got to

1454
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: play that record at that club. So you when you

1455
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: have a hit record with live mentionruments, you supplying the

1456
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: job for other people. Craig Craig Brockman taught me that. Hmm.

1457
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: He said, every time you play a horn on the record,

1458
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: or you play an instrument. We are supplying work for

1459
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: the cats. Never leave the cats behind them. They make

1460
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: the ship tick, they make the shit tick. Ain't about

1461
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: the money, because it ain't. It ain't never been about

1462
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: the money with me, even with Kendrick, I've just been

1463
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: on all the records. But that's my friend. I care

1464
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: about that guy because he's so gifted before it, but

1465
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: I've always cared about him. You know, I just want

1466
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: to be I just know, if you on the vibe,

1467
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: you good. Get to the motherfucking vibe. People people so

1468
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: busy trying to get to a spot without they trying

1469
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: to you know, the sponsors there. Just get to the vibe.

1470
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: And if you you know, you'll get for make room.

1471
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: If you're a bad motherfucker, if you all talk, you'll

1472
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: be the god bringing the bottles all the time. We

1473
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: need them too. But you ain't making no decisions, bringing

1474
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: no motherfucking bottles. Buy my own damn bottles, you know

1475
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah?

1476
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 3: Mm hm oh yeah. So let's get into this. Because

1477
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 3: you went, you went, you went. You segue into Kendrick

1478
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 3: and your work with Kendrick. You were, you have been

1479
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: a very instrumental part of just the tde family one,

1480
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 3: but especially with Kendrick and then when you guys get

1481
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 3: to to Pimp a Butterfly, that's when to me it

1482
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 3: felt like, Okay, they're fully in sync at this point

1483
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 3: and in popular rap you had never heard that type

1484
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 3: of musicianship in a long time. I won't say ever,

1485
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 3: but like cause Snoop and death Row had that right,

1486
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 3: But in between that, it really wasn't a lot of

1487
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 3: you hear no horns on records. You hear no you

1488
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like you did you just that

1489
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 3: that feeling?

1490
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that feeling at that level.

1491
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I felt like Kendrick was taking a real

1492
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 3: chance because it could have just been written off of

1493
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 3: like ah, yeah, that's just too musical and too creative

1494
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 3: and that ain't really what this thing is. I feel

1495
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 3: like he figured out a way to merge the worlds

1496
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 3: and you were a big part of that. What was

1497
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 3: the conversation behind you know, like to Pinper Butterfly, it's.

1498
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 1: It's a uh, you know, when you're really in sync.

1499
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't trull with a lot of people.

1500
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: When I do decide to come outside, it's with herb

1501
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: be Handcock because I learned so much. Okay, you you

1502
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: are lost in today, he said, handcut. That's that's the

1503
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: only side I'm not being. That's the only side. Man.

1504
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be to Herbie forever because I'm in dead

1505
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: to him. But uh what Herbie always says, like, and

1506
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure both of y'all notice touring that third week

1507
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: when everything started taking shape, everything started where you ain't

1508
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: gotta look behind you, you ain't gotta It's like, even

1509
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: if you make a mistake, your guy is and everything is.

1510
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: It's just you're not even thinking about it. You are

1511
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: not even going you They're not even going to sound

1512
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: check right now. It's just it's flowing for what the

1513
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: mic is there? It's just there? Uh with with me?

1514
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: With the TD guys, mhm. Top and Punch are masters

1515
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: of getting a bunch of borderline insane crazy people in

1516
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: one room that all have loud voices and figure out

1517
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: a way where we all follow a common goal. I've

1518
01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: never seen leaders like like Topping Punch in my life. Punch,

1519
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm Top, definitely Punch, I'm close to Punch, you know

1520
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Just I've never seen leadership done like that,

1521
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, I've never because we was difficult to deal

1522
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: with it. You don't know, you know what I'm saying.

1523
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: One day we all said out with Punch. We was

1524
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: he could tell you some stories like oh man, ha

1525
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: oh shit. But the I'm saying that the conversation, it

1526
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: was never a conversation because we've been in sync for

1527
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: so long. We've been in sinks since the mixtape. Like

1528
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like I produced the first record for them

1529
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: to get the deal at Warner Brothers. That's how long

1530
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: it's to start. It's not a I'm not coming. It's

1531
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: like we just hear you know. That's how God, that's

1532
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: how the creators just they put us together. Like which

1533
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: is crazy to me when you think about to Peper Butterfly,

1534
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 1: because finally, after all these years, I was able to

1535
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: use everything from the relationships to the skill level to

1536
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: the breaking rules. I was finally able to use everything.

1537
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: You know, most of the records I've done, even though

1538
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: it has been great success. You know, I'm you know,

1539
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: I love him. I love him when they especially when

1540
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: they make money, love them. But it's you know, some

1541
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: records you're more connected to, you know, Uh, the conversation

1542
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 1: with to Pip a butterfly wasn't really so it was.

1543
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 1: It's a lot of loose conversation. A lot of things

1544
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: was going on in time, and you know, it's a

1545
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of that's when the police had

1546
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: really started turning back up on the Brothers and the

1547
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: news was getting crazy, and hip hop was had a

1548
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: weird little stand still. Everybody was kind of sound the same,

1549
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: and you know, he was heavily influenced at that time

1550
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: by jazz. We was just I mean, one day I

1551
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: walked in he was rapping. I was like, man, you man,

1552
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: you like a jazz musician. Man, you rapping like Freddie Hubbard.

1553
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: And you got one song you sound like Woody Shaw,

1554
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: And you got one song you sound like classic Clark Terry,

1555
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: and you got one where you sound like you playing

1556
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: Don Cherry Freeze. You just made all these rhythms because

1557
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: one day I got I got high as fucking I

1558
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: transcribed the Kendrick solo. I just wrote it out and

1559
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: I stood it next to a couple of my favorite

1560
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 1: cold training solos that I've transcribed in my earlier days

1561
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: of transcribing, and I was like, oh, this is deed

1562
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: that has to be ancestral recall this kid, don't even

1563
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: this de don't know no Cold Train records that that's

1564
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: that has to be ancestral recall, that has to be

1565
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: that's weird. And as we start going there and he start,

1566
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, I never forget what wanted this story will

1567
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: say everything. The horn up until that record was like

1568
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 1: it was starting to make you know, but the horn

1569
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: was always I never bought the horn in the record

1570
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: sessions because in LA record culture, you come with you.

1571
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: If I'm a record producer, producer and artists R and

1572
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: B artists, they ain't going on the fucking saxophone. At

1573
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: this time. The a't gonna know if I'm alto they

1574
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: singing alto what I fuck? They won't me. They don't

1575
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: do no, no, they don't want that. And the horn

1576
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: is it was deemed as two musical to this. It

1577
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: was to this, to that, to that. So I remember

1578
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 1: when sound Wave and Kendrick we was in the studio

1579
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: and they brought up the record, Uh, we gonna be

1580
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: all right, And I remember hearing that record like he's like,

1581
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: I want you to play on this record. I'm like,

1582
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: the fuck do you want me to doing this? Bro?

1583
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: Like you know, because even even I'm so free. But

1584
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: even up until this point, I'm kind of a separate thing.

1585
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like my production is this guy, because

1586
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,759
Speaker 1: that's a different set of jokes, that's a different restaurant

1587
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: you're going to, that's a different perfumea wearing, that's a

1588
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: different kind of boss talk in that world. I've always

1589
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: kept those worlds separate until to a butterfly. I've kept

1590
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 1: my friends separate, like got some wild mother fucking friend.

1591
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 1: And then they said, man, nah, just play, you know,

1592
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: And I started playing on it and I was playing

1593
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: with I assume that people want to hear side form

1594
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: player off rap and you know what I'm saying, and

1595
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: Dying Wave said, man, look, man, play that ship that

1596
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: we you play like this the chance this a for

1597
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: real baby, just and even then I was like, man,

1598
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: for real, don't like people playing all this ship because

1599
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: I know, for real, you know what I'm saying, you know,

1600
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: I said, Man, maybe I should ask them in my head,

1601
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: I asked for real first, and they was like, man,

1602
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: were doing this record. Man play on this record and

1603
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: think about how many people we're gonna help. Think about

1604
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: what's going on, think about what we're saying. Think about

1605
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: what's going on in life, like this ain't a record. This,

1606
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: this a this this this, this is where we at.

1607
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: This this where we at. Just if we this is

1608
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: where we at, We're gonna we could get them. We could.

1609
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, the concept was we you

1610
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: gotta get the message across. However, you got to get

1611
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: the message across. Yeah, you know that horn, That horn

1612
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: speaks to the struggle. Yeah.

1613
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm sure the record before the horn had

1614
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: a good amount of soul and spirit to it, but

1615
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 2: that horn, yeah, puts something that automatically sent you into

1616
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 2: a space of reflection, like it just made you think

1617
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 2: about some ship intensely. Yeah, that's what that horn did.

1618
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: That's what that horn does. Every time I hear it.

1619
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: That was intentional. Yeah, that that spirit that talk that

1620
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: that like, man, it's fuck this music, it's some's some

1621
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: life things going on that's before we Before we are

1622
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: musicians and ours, we're human with sons, fathers and some

1623
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: other ship that ain't got nothing to do with this

1624
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: SSL and this crazy electric bill and it's some ship

1625
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: that ain't got none to do that. People going through

1626
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: in Omaha, Nebraska, which you talk Kansas and Baltimore, like

1627
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: it's people going through ship that ain't got nothing to

1628
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: do with the life we live, and it's more of

1629
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: them than what we're doing. So that that was like, okay, yeah,

1630
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: because I've been I've been through a lot of different

1631
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: struggles as we all have it being you know, being

1632
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: like that, but that it was it was more like

1633
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: a continue on conversation. But as we got deeper, I

1634
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: remember I started being like, Okay, this kid is crazy.

1635
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 1: He started hey. He's like, hey, I want to do

1636
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: something jazzy. I'm like, yeah, okay, let me get the

1637
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: drums out. He's like, no, no, no, I want to do

1638
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: like some shit. I'm like okay. I started playing ideas

1639
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: like that my Memories. It was a brand from Marcelli's

1640
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: record that was playing the minor blues with Kenny Kirkland

1641
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: on piano, Jeff tang Wats on bass, Jeff taint Wats

1642
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: on drums, Forgive Me, Jeff tang Wats on drums, Bob

1643
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: Hurst on bass, and he was digging out and I

1644
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: was like, just what you like? And I was like,

1645
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, if we do this on this album,

1646
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: this is gonna help so many musicians. If I write

1647
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: the right piece of music. Once again, you're not forgetting

1648
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: the catch. Yeah, if I write the colds, if I

1649
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: write little what And I remember the night before because

1650
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: I was like, nigga tomorrow'mnn come in five ideas. I

1651
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: got you. But I was like, damn, this is pressure.

1652
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: The rapper asked me to write a jazz song. Now,

1653
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I said, my daddy always taught. He's like

1654
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: and went in doubt. The blues, the blues don't never

1655
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: fail you. The blues. The blues sing, the blues, play

1656
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: the blues. You gotta hear the blues. We love you

1657
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: because we hear the blues in your music. You know.

1658
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: I told camera, we we love that Coco Jones song. Uh,

1659
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 1: I see you because we hear the blues in that.

1660
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 1: We hear the praise and worshiping that. That's why we

1661
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: love that song. We hear that. Yeah, yeah, connected to it.

1662
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I remember I was hired as

1663
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: fuck watching MO Better Blues all night because that's what

1664
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: we was on, Like MO Better Blues, that's like my movie.

1665
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I gotta I gotta put like this shit.

1666
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: Gotta feel like South, It gotta feel like our shit.

1667
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: It gotta feel like South Central it came. It gotta

1668
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: feel like what It gotta feel like our best expression

1669
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: of what we lived. Because one thing I know about

1670
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: my brothers and sisters in the art world, the jib

1671
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, like, it's not

1672
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: about money. It's about clues. It's about clues and little

1673
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: keys that people could take from that and open another door.

1674
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: So my thing was what how many clues? What can

1675
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: I and what's gonna help Kendrick. So all these thoughts

1676
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: was going through my head. And when I wrote, I remember,

1677
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: I was so serious that this was and I could

1678
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: have taped it, but I didn't. The only person that

1679
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: has me writing this music and going up with this

1680
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: band on tape, Kendrick was taping the whole session with

1681
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: his phone. He the only one. And I remember the

1682
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:55,839
Speaker 1: first the top of it's a song called for Free,

1683
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,879
Speaker 1: And I remember, and I remember because my boy marlind

1684
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: he don't play jazz and Craig Brock don't play the

1685
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: style of jazz. I was writing. But these are geniuses

1686
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: and I was hanging now here go to l a ship.

1687
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm hanging with these niggas every day. He was my folks.

1688
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: So writing the studient, I'm like, I gotta write apart

1689
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: for them. So that's why the topic goes. And I

1690
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: was like, Craig and Martin gonna kill that part. But

1691
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: then when the band get to going, y'all fall back

1692
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 1: and y'all gonna let these these hunters go hunt. Yeah, Roberts,

1693
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: but see right, Brandon owns Robert Glassper. We're gonna hunt

1694
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,799
Speaker 1: for a minute. And when we started hunting, I remember

1695
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: that ship was fast and then we slowed it down.

1696
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: We got a good groove and Kendrick, I'm gonna send

1697
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: you out a picture of that night. Kendrick uh So

1698
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: Sissor was there too, Kendrick was. He put the mic out,

1699
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 1: so you want to go on the booth. Bro He's like, no, no, no, no,

1700
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: no no, I want to record right now as we write.

1701
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: He's writing right now, right now, right now. And then

1702
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: when that first light said this stick came free, I said,

1703
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 1: the jazz is gonna hate me. Yeah, I know what

1704
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 1: do you know? What I'm saying it that that that

1705
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 1: record helped a lot of people. Man, it helped, it helped,

1706
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: you know. And I did Thundercap myself and it was

1707
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: able to like fly low he went and got you know,

1708
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: he had been we had been doing music together. But

1709
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: this I feel like this was the time I was

1710
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: able to incorporate everything I've learned thus far in my

1711
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: in my music, Catalitee and my social and my showing

1712
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: up on time. Because Punch Punch will tell you the

1713
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: story about good Kid, Mad City, how we were so

1714
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: friends when Kendrick first started blowing. It was so new

1715
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: and fast, be like, man, you better come on this album, Man,

1716
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 1: come on, man, and I you know not taking it

1717
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: that serious, right, I'm gonna show up. I'm gonna show up.

1718
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: Punch was so mad at me. So I finally showed

1719
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: up and end up being on a decent far the

1720
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: album right, but but I did? Yeah, madd City real Uh,

1721
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: Few and Few I forgot, you know they're they're thereot.

1722
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 1: But but what which is one of my favorite songs?

1723
01:32:59,680 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1724
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 3: That's one of my not only just one of my

1725
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 3: favorite Kendricks. Some people know how and collectively Kendrick put

1726
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 3: together a super team.

1727
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: It's not just like you hear my stamp and my

1728
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: different my imprint on different things more than others. But

1729
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: it's a super team where it's like even with me,

1730
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 1: like my shit is not working on Kendrick record without

1731
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: a sound way being next to me. Because when they

1732
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: tell me go as far as you want to go, man,

1733
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: you're talking to a person that don't even believe in

1734
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 1: the ocean. I only believe in the world. I only

1735
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: believe this shit in. So my sense as far as

1736
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: is a little different. But you got a god that's

1737
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: in between me and Kendrick like wave that's say you

1738
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: go far right there, We're there with you, and I'm

1739
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: like cool, And they still always allow me to go

1740
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 1: as far as far as more far than any other artists.

1741
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: A lot of artists called me in to work with them,

1742
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: and they always want to work with me based off

1743
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: my history. But then what you hate that when they

1744
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: never want you to do what you do, but they

1745
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: call you based off your they just.

1746
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 3: Want the same thing, the same thing, yeah right, because

1747
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 3: I mean that's just been a tried.

1748
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: And true yeah. But it's like if you.

1749
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 2: If you want the same process, that's different because you're

1750
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: always gonna get a different result.

1751
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: By the way that process. Now let's talk that talk

1752
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 1: real quick. Now this is this is Jimy Evan's exit record,

1753
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: This is the end of This is the Thing of

1754
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:31,520
Speaker 1: the Butterflies, not a It's not a Garage Earth the

1755
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 1: Inexpensive album at all. It's it's a guy saying I

1756
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: want to try strings on the record. Can can we

1757
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 1: just try them? And commansies writing for strings while we're

1758
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: having union stream players waiting all day to get charged

1759
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: at all, the having all the major studios locked down

1760
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: for years. So it's a very to be that free.

1761
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 1: Is so expensive to be able to gamble with. So

1762
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 1: it's to be able to say even as a business

1763
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm a business owner, you know, if I'm looking at

1764
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: the numbers with the artists, if I'm like, okay, you

1765
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: want to do what you want to get? We like tears,

1766
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: Tears is good, yeah, Boom album, feeler, god good. He's

1767
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,719
Speaker 1: gonna keep boom boom, lining up, playing on the records.

1768
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna play on the hits Boom yeah, yeah, yeah,

1769
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: But how much of tears you want? Like to do

1770
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 1: those kind of things? And they say whatever, is like

1771
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So those those those things

1772
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 1: are expensive pieces of real estatement.

1773
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:32,839
Speaker 3: You know, And you have to start from a business standpoint,

1774
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 3: you have to look at the ro Oi event. For

1775
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 3: people that don't understand what that means.

1776
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: That's the shout out to Top and Punch and everybody.

1777
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 1: Dave a lot of meetings with me, sure because because

1778
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 1: also my job is as a record producer. A record

1779
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 1: producer is just to help the artists get to the

1780
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 1: finish line. So a lot of times Kendrick would say

1781
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: he wants easy, I want all these boom boom boom

1782
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,799
Speaker 1: boom boom, and I'd be like done, but I wouldn't

1783
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 1: check with nobody, and I'd be like, you know, Top

1784
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: New call me in the room and what is this.

1785
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:18,719
Speaker 1: I'll be like, he's a genius. The genius is expensive

1786
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: to genus. Did you learn that from Quincy? I just know,

1787
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew. I got so much love and

1788
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: respect for Top for forgiving me opportunity and dealing with

1789
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: so much mishap for me, uh but just being always

1790
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: there for me as a big brid's a business man.

1791
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: Very He's taught me how to be very firm, because

1792
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's just yes or no, you know. And

1793
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 1: I think his his leadership is a big part of

1794
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: them records. Absolutely, he would be in them studio when

1795
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 1: he and them studios, you know, because I'm like the

1796
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 1: party homie, because I'm like the older brother to the homies.

1797
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm like at this time, I'm like, I'm the middle

1798
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: child in the game, but I'm the older bro to Kendrick.

1799
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: And now so I'm seeing I've seen all the mishaps

1800
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 1: and then I'm kind of I'm kind of jaded a

1801
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 1: little bit at this time. Right, so I'm coming to

1802
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: the you know, tequila every night, the classic vis couple

1803
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 1: of homegirls pull up, just sit in the corner, watch

1804
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: me do beats all night. You know the vibe and yeah, yeah,

1805
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So Top Top was very Uh his

1806
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 1: presence didn't make you want to invite nobody. I'm just saying, now,

1807
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: you didn't want to and they got studio rules. Oh no, no,

1808
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: it's rules. And you know, I'll be trying to be

1809
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: like the bad cousin, you know what I'm saying. But

1810
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 1: Top man, uh nah man. I remember he had he

1811
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: only told me one time, and one time I had

1812
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: some might show up to a studio session that I

1813
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't have had. We was a serious night and I

1814
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,640
Speaker 1: had a homegirl come come pick me up, but I

1815
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: left before she came just dumb shit, right, And I

1816
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 1: remember when she came by, he left, and then Top

1817
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: came and said, hey, hey man, I didn't tell you

1818
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: to invite anybody to the studio. You gotta invite and

1819
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 1: he said it that's simple. But it felt like a

1820
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: thousand words to me. And I said in my head said,

1821
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 1: I said, don't fuck off your opportunity with this man.

1822
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,719
Speaker 1: He's giving you opportunity, respect to shit, pay attention, ter hers,

1823
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But that the TV thing

1824
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: was like college to me, like it's so many things.

1825
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: I and that's the first crew that that that I

1826
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: seen a few million dollars with. That's the first crew

1827
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: like they you know, like like like them dudes stay

1828
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 1: they stay down if you if you love him, they

1829
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: rolling with you, you know what I'm saying. And that's

1830
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 1: the first crew I really like. With Snoop, I saw

1831
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 1: the world. I saw my craft get better. I saw

1832
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:03,719
Speaker 1: this with the and and the blessings because of the

1833
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: of the things that we've done, thank God in history

1834
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 1: that have helped the others and been able to help

1835
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: us financially. Is it's been a well maintained thing as well.

1836
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: And that's so rare to say in business. You know

1837
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, especially from a producer and a musician standpoint,

1838
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 1: But you gotta tell top what you're doing before you

1839
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: do the beat. I'm gonna play keys, bass, saxophone because

1840
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: he in tune and that's what I learned from him too,

1841
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: be in tune. Punch the same way. You know what

1842
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like the TDS is like a university. This

1843
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: should be a university if people are ever so blessed

1844
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 1: to go through that tutelage. Because these are brothers that

1845
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: didn't grow up playing music. See this is different. These

1846
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 1: are brothers that consciously said, we gotta figure this shit out.

1847
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do with the music? You know

1848
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,639
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is Punch saying. You know, Punch

1849
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 1: is one of the best songwriters in the world, one

1850
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 1: of the greatest things because ever and I've worked with

1851
01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: all of them, all of them, and for Punch to

1852
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: to to sit back and give his tootelage to to

1853
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 1: j Rock Q Dot to app just to his like

1854
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 1: his view is so and they're all great em seeds.

1855
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 1: But it's like that crew is so magical.

1856
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 3: I look at I look at Punch as this generation's

1857
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 3: d OC. Yeah, and what he meant to death Row

1858
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,799
Speaker 3: with the tutelage that he gave to the younger mcs,

1859
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, that's how I look

1860
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,440
Speaker 3: at Punch, Like he gets it.

1861
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh yes, an executive that no no

1862
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:35,759
Speaker 1: no no no no no.

1863
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 3: This is an artist that understands the executive side and

1864
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 3: that is willing to give of himself for someone else's game.

1865
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of us don't do that. He's

1866
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 1: definitely coming under the umbrella. What if I've seen this

1867
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 1: before in my career. It's like I'm a little older

1868
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 1: than you know, so I grew up under like General Buzzby,

1869
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: you know these things. But Punch is reminded me of

1870
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,759
Speaker 1: if I was reading a history book. It will remind

1871
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: me of like Today's on his way to being a

1872
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: progressive Claire's ain't about of today, because not only does

1873
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: he understand the music as the massive teachers did, but

1874
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 1: he also understands relationships. He understands politics, he understands he

1875
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: understands what people just care about. You know. He's really

1876
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: a great leader, you know, what I'm saying, and that's

1877
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 1: that's like we don't have we don't have leaders now,

1878
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 1: we don't have leaders. You know, we see what's going

1879
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: on with everything, we don't we don't have leaders, like

1880
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the leaders at least like when I

1881
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: was younger, it was so many music industry leaders, you know,

1882
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: don't we don't have a lot of them right now

1883
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: that are really serious and not chasing the bag but

1884
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: care about. That's why the show is. That's why I

1885
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: be begging you. Yes I did cancel, but it was

1886
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 1: a real legitimate thing. I'm sure I don't remember, but

1887
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: I know. That's why this show is so important. And

1888
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: this this is the looser I've been on. Usually I

1889
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 1: have a whole thing, I know how to talk. I'm

1890
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 1: wearing glad you know, I got my whole shabamy. But

1891
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: this show is so important because in R and B music,

1892
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: other than a couple of cats an R and B,

1893
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: other than the cast that's in it, it's not talked about.

1894
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 1: Let me let me give you this clear. It's like

1895
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: the world needs to know that Davante's Duke Ellington. Like

1896
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 1: it's like R and B. Just now I'm saying, is

1897
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 1: getting talked about at a real point where I can

1898
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: see this in the schools being taught. I can see

1899
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: different cultures really understand the lineage and the history and

1900
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: why we do this, Why it's so important you to

1901
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: keep doing this? Why and soaring for me to keep

1902
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 1: doing what? Why? It's so it's okay to love something

1903
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 1: in the air of no love. It's okay to love something,

1904
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: and it's okay to be great and not just not

1905
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: just asks every week, what what are your monthly listeners?

1906
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying. Fine, Wait, funny side story.

1907
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 1: I just did napp but the Napa Jazz Festival, and

1908
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: let me tell everybody about these this this monthly listeners

1909
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 1: ship for the motherfuckers. I hearna get out some gun.

1910
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Eric Roberson, M hmm my god. That's my point. Very talented, talented.

1911
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 1: I saw him rock the Napa Jazz Festival from stage

1912
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 1: to the wall and get these people a crazy show.

1913
01:43:53,200 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: Everybody screaming with real fans. That's buying things. You know

1914
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I know what you mean. You go

1915
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 1: to monthly listeners or whatever whatever that new thing is

1916
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,559
Speaker 1: people do, it'll make you think like he ain't doing

1917
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:14,600
Speaker 1: that doing that. I saw it.

1918
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 3: But then on the flip side, the ones with all

1919
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,080
Speaker 3: these monthly listeners can't go do with daddy.

1920
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know them, you know what I'm saying. We

1921
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: see them.

1922
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:28,640
Speaker 3: You know, listen, once we once we get into computers,

1923
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 3: the numbers aren't real numbers anymore, you know what I mean,

1924
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 3: all the whole the days of you know, the numbers

1925
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:37,679
Speaker 3: don't lie.

1926
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: They absolutely lie. They're absolutely you know it don't lie.

1927
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:50,679
Speaker 1: You know Michael Jackson videos with them people fainting and

1928
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 1: crying and shaking and that feeling emotion the people people

1929
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: don't lie, that feeling. I remember. I remember when I

1930
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 1: first saw Snoop dog I was sixteen, and he walked

1931
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 1: down the hallway and shook everybody I was. I was

1932
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: at Studio fifty six. I did school to go and

1933
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: just see if I could listen to Keith Crouch to

1934
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: a beat at Studio fifty six and Snoop had walked

1935
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 1: out the room and I shook his hand, and that's

1936
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 1: when I first met him, and he shook everybody's hand

1937
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 1: and said Snoop dog Snoop Dogg, like nobody knew who

1938
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: he was. Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg, you know

1939
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:28,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Why the fuck I tell that story

1940
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 1: because that's a that's a moment in time for you though.

1941
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also it also something that stayed with

1942
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 3: you as far as humility, I.

1943
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 1: Thought, Yeah, that's where I'm getting at, and that's that's

1944
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 1: like I never forgot that with him. He was it

1945
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 1: was about the people. It was beat and for Snoop,

1946
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: as we see.

1947
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 2: As about as international as he is, about the people.

1948
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 2: It's always about the.

1949
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 3: People, right, and they've always given back, always given back.

1950
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 3: Now that that that's what separates him from anyone.

1951
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from anyone. He is. He's absolutely the guy.

1952
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean because Snoop is everyone's

1953
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 3: family member and he supports everybody.

1954
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he supports everybody. Energy is always amazing energy.

1955
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 3: I want to ask you something too, though, about what

1956
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 3: you're on now, Nintendo. So that Forever record Bro, Me

1957
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 3: and Knife wonder Ah, Bro, that's my boy. I love

1958
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 3: that rec Thank you man. I love that record, Bro.

1959
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 3: Thank like you got you.

1960
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: Got your you got your Roger Troutman on on there.

1961
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 1: I did that record sixteen years ago. What that record

1962
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, fifteen or sixteen years old, I have

1963
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,640
Speaker 1: to be doing music, bro, Warren Carroll told me, a

1964
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,600
Speaker 1: recording artist job is to record every day. I'll be

1965
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:53,679
Speaker 1: on the same page off this whole time. I'm recording today.

1966
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 1: I have a show tonight. I took a break book

1967
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: Larybie to record and go back to those shows. I

1968
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 1: record every day. Songs are my I look at songs

1969
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:05,759
Speaker 1: and certain things as apartment buildings, little houses, little this little,

1970
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: that little that little that real estate. Bro. Every day,

1971
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 1: what I got to student? No house, Yeah that's what

1972
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: that's Yeah, that's how she get paid for I mean technically, yeah, yeah,

1973
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 1: on some way. So you know, I'm just speaking to

1974
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 1: me right now because I got to sit there at

1975
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:23,799
Speaker 1: my house and I don't use it talk. Warren Campbell

1976
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 1: told me. Say it again. Warren Campbell told me, Warren

1977
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:29,759
Speaker 1: Campbell told me that's a T shirt. If you artist,

1978
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:32,640
Speaker 1: your job is to record every day. When he told me,

1979
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 1: that changed my life because I'm like, what else I

1980
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 1: rather I'm not driving a fork lift. Respectfully, I'm not.

1981
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not the you know,

1982
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 1: you want to know work, the the it was a

1983
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 1: blackout in my neighborhood and the electricians that I got

1984
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:51,440
Speaker 1: to climb on that thing with kids at home. That's work.

1985
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 1: That's work writing a song, whether I like it or not,

1986
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: because everything I write ain't good. Most of it is

1987
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 1: not good. But I get it out every day. You

1988
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, you know? And I

1989
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: got different buttons from my work, like I know if

1990
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:06,679
Speaker 1: I'm going into it, No, I don't have those buttons

1991
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:10,600
Speaker 1: no more. I don't have no expectations, no more. Yeah.

1992
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 1: But it's also like.

1993
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,719
Speaker 2: It's how I tell people when it comes to fitness,

1994
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, how do you always stay in shape?

1995
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,639
Speaker 1: Like what do you do? What's your regimen? I said,

1996
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: My regimen is something? What do you mean by something?

1997
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Every day? I do something something right. It don't have

1998
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: to be the most strenuous thing or I don't have

1999
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: to lift the whole gym, but some did something. I

2000
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 1: do something. I'm struggling with that. I'm struggling with that,

2001
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 1: the workout thing because because I'm that's just a real

2002
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 1: thing in my life because my father, I just know

2003
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:49,879
Speaker 1: what health is and how important it is and everything.

2004
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 1: But I always struggle with like working out and then stopping.

2005
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: But right now I've been really meditating and just chanting,

2006
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 1: trying to just like like I'm going to I want

2007
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 1: to fall in love working out about deals in music.

2008
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 1: I want to fall in love with it, because I

2009
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: think that's like it's it's kind of weird for me

2010
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 1: to keep being his music guy and not be in

2011
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 1: loving all the My health is fine, but really I

2012
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: think if I'm helping people to clearn the music, I

2013
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: got to help the whole ring of things. Because the

2014
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: doctor said, man, my dad would have been there five

2015
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 1: years ago. The only thing I say to him is

2016
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 1: his core, the core, the core, the core, and I

2017
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 1: never will forget. My dad used to be like, you

2018
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 1: better some crunches, you fat motherfucker, so squatch or something. Boy,

2019
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 1: he lived five more years because yeah, it's healthy. It

2020
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 1: was like even when I mean, he was so strong

2021
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: from every day. He died at seventy six, so he

2022
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: stopped working out at like seventy right when he got

2023
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:45,200
Speaker 1: real sick. But every day, man, he was for real,

2024
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 1: like doing something three times a day, squad. Like my

2025
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 1: earliest memory is listening to him listening to Cold Train

2026
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: with a forty five pounds weight and doing squats ore burpies,

2027
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 1: burpies squats and then practicing the drums. It never was.

2028
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 1: It never was health without music in my in my life.

2029
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: You know, I think I got that ship from hanging out,

2030
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But yeah, the hell thing

2031
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 1: is real, like the food thing is real. Like that

2032
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 1: ship is so real. You know what I'm saying. You

2033
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 1: get your blood work, yeah, okay, yeah, your blood work.

2034
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 1: Some late night drinks, some stress, the musical nights, some

2035
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: tequilas hanging make you drink a lot of water. Make

2036
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: sure you eat. You gotta eat, because what do you eat?

2037
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 1: You got to carry around like a steak with nose

2038
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 1: with pepper on it. Carry it around though. You got

2039
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 1: a ziplock in my back pocket. Yeah, are you that

2040
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 1: guy that it's like I'm weighing the broccoli. No, it's not.

2041
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: He just does the work. Most duders are safe, don't.

2042
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 1: They eat burgers and everything. But I perceive I don't eat.

2043
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 2: I don't eat like I'm a moderation guy.

2044
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2045
01:50:56,920 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 2: So, I mean the fancy term is poor in control,

2046
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 2: but that's that's not really what I do. I just don't.

2047
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 2: I just don't eat a lot of food naturally. So

2048
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 2: for me, with the work that I do, I actually

2049
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 2: should be eating more food. Wow, but it's hard for

2050
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 2: me to. I just had to just program them. Just

2051
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 2: worried that way to not eat more food. But I

2052
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 2: have my snacks.

2053
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: But you grew up.

2054
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, plus because because it's like plus it was a

2055
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 2: balance for me. I wanted to play football and play

2056
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 2: for three churches.

2057
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: See you know what I'm saying. So so that tells

2058
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 1: me he just he wanted all. I mean, well at

2059
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 1: that time, I was you know, the Lord was first.

2060
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't you know, I wasn't really about that n

2061
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 1: PC earlier. It gives you a different different level respectfully.

2062
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 1: You know a lot of guys be you know, they

2063
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 1: get intimidated by the athletes and everything. Like like a

2064
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 1: lot a lot of guys, I know you don't understand.

2065
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: We don't. I don't get that yet, but it's a

2066
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 1: real thing for I've always I remember just hanging out

2067
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 1: with a gang homegirls back in the day, and one

2068
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 1: homegirl let me know, she said, she's so cool because

2069
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: you just be making me laugh. I said, oh, just

2070
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:21,600
Speaker 1: be a listener.

2071
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 2: And just hey, man, I started writing the secrets.

2072
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: Man, I start writing songs because you know, and I

2073
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 1: grew I love women. I grew up you know, my

2074
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: Mama raised me daughters. I love a woman. I respect

2075
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 1: the woman. I think women are the most powerful human

2076
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 1: beings on this earth. I think that the woman is

2077
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 1: so powerful. So I love them all the way. So

2078
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: I've always loved just to be connected with women. I

2079
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 1: love the point of views that I learned so much

2080
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 1: from them. So like I was always I always had

2081
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 1: a lot of homegirls, you know what I'm saying, And

2082
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, I just used to learn so much. That's

2083
01:52:57,640 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: why I was writing certain kind of music like they was.

2084
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 1: I sit down listen to my homegirls talk, and they

2085
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 1: always say, Man, you know, dude, don't listen, don't listen,

2086
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 1: don't listen, don't listen. I said, all we just got

2087
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 1: to write a hundred songs about listening, right.

2088
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 3: No, Because the other part about it is, as they say,

2089
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 3: the gift will open the doors right, all doors the

2090
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 3: doors right. But there's something about and I talk about

2091
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 3: this here and there, there's something about magic. This thing

2092
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:29,639
Speaker 3: that we do is magic. Jumping from the free throw

2093
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 3: line really ain't magic. I listen all due respect, catch

2094
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 3: the touchdown.

2095
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 1: I get it. I respect it. I respect it. You

2096
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 1: can learn that.

2097
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 3: You can learn that. You can't learn this type of magic.

2098
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 3: You can learn trickery because that's being that's a magic,

2099
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:51,599
Speaker 3: smoking mirrors, that's that's that's trickery. With all due respect,

2100
01:53:52,439 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 3: this thing is not trickery. No, it's either you know

2101
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 3: how to grab it out the sky. You've opened up

2102
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 3: your porter, talk to talk. Are you having That's it,

2103
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 3: and that does and that has nothing to do with

2104
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:10,719
Speaker 3: with a hit record. It's a feeling. I can sing

2105
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 3: something to you or write or play you something that

2106
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 3: I wrote that evokes feeling.

2107
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 1: I got you. Listen. He just said that whole crowd

2108
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:25,639
Speaker 1: and Eric Roberson is magic, He's.

2109
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 2: I saw Eric Robertson at Howard University as a kid

2110
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 2: in high school and me, I'm the you know, I'm

2111
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:38,720
Speaker 2: the vocal gymnast. I got all, I got all that,

2112
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And they keep talking about

2113
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 2: this Eric Robson. Okay, he probably cool. And I watched

2114
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 2: him play and sing.

2115
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 1: I don't think he had no shoes on. And he

2116
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: wasn't doing he wasn't doing all that ship I was doing. Yeah,

2117
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing all that.

2118
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 2: He was in their souls focused and I'm looking at

2119
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 2: him like, oh.

2120
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:19,960
Speaker 1: You what you're doing? You are? I need that in

2121
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 1: that bag. When I saw the whole crowd sun dresses,

2122
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 1: get the dance, I said, I need to make a subject.

2123
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 1: Ain'ted some covers and he's arranged. I'm like, he giving

2124
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 1: a show. He's a monster.

2125
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 2: You don't want to come behind him as well. He

2126
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 2: knows his gift, he knows what he got the millions

2127
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 2: on that one song. You don't want to go behind there, Robinson.

2128
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 3: Show because in this music thing, as it relates to people,

2129
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 3: there's no contract you can look up because the contract

2130
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 3: don't matter. I don't care what Kendrick Lamar makes other

2131
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 3: than the music that he makes. I don't care about

2132
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 3: the money that he makes from it. I don't care

2133
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 3: that Prince didn't own his masters in the beginning. It

2134
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 3: didn't matter because when Purple Rain came on, Jesus Christ,

2135
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 3: when Darling Nicky came on, you better talk that talk,

2136
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, let's let's be let's

2137
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 3: be real with this thing.

2138
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:20,880
Speaker 1: Man.

2139
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 3: When Sexual Healing came on, I go, there's no way

2140
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 3: I'm not googling the contract that was connected to it,

2141
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 3: and that to me is what is the true separator

2142
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 3: of music in any other industry.

2143
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you need some records and.

2144
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 3: They're trying because what they're trying to do is put

2145
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:48,120
Speaker 3: that on top of what this music thing is. Well,

2146
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:51,040
Speaker 3: how many records did he sell it? And listen, between

2147
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 3: the three of us, we got that part. We sold

2148
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 3: a lot of records.

2149
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 1: We've made some good money doing this thing.

2150
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 3: That has nothing to do with the respect that we

2151
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 3: all have for each other of the music that we've created.

2152
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 1: Way different. It's way different. That's true. That's way different.

2153
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 1: It's magic.

2154
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 3: Like you said earlier, it's magic, bro absolutely magic, and

2155
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,960
Speaker 3: I thank God every day that I can create magic.

2156
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean the add to that, I'm even thinking of

2157
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:30,360
Speaker 1: the past past, maybe five six years. A lot of

2158
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 1: artists I've noticed a lot of younger artists, they go

2159
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:35,440
Speaker 1: in and they do the worst. A lot of them

2160
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 1: I've worked with. They they go in and do some

2161
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 1: of the worst mistakes, which is going in trying to

2162
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: create the hit, trying to create the hit. And I

2163
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 1: always I always try to tell the cats, you know,

2164
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 1: when you try to create the hit, for me personally

2165
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:54,960
Speaker 1: my opinion, some people got the power to say boom,

2166
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:59,320
Speaker 1: it's a hit. I bless them. Yeah yeah, but I

2167
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 1: feel like some of about trying to create something that's

2168
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 1: not in your control. It's like a mind fuck and

2169
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: it kills all the positive frequencies out the whole session

2170
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: because your name and records that were big records, but

2171
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 1: they're not like they're not like us not, but we

2172
01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 1: know a lot of big Like I was thinking about

2173
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:24,200
Speaker 1: what's the b side the the Bobby Callwell, now what

2174
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna do for love? Uh? Not? The one common sample,

2175
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 1: the one biggie sample. It's not the light, it's not

2176
01:58:36,200 --> 01:58:36,879
Speaker 1: what you want.

2177
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the biggest sample.

2178
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:46,080
Speaker 1: Right. So I remember, I'm young, a kid, but I

2179
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,800
Speaker 1: grew up in a household of mute. I remember when

2180
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:51,680
Speaker 1: Bobby Calwell was was a thing you thought there or

2181
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 1: did you not know or did you know because of

2182
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:57,400
Speaker 1: the cover, nobody knew. Nobody knew, and if somebody said

2183
01:58:57,400 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 1: they did, they lie, it's impossible that was. I talked

2184
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 1: to him. I talked to him, and I know him,

2185
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 1: I knew him, and nobody knew. That was why he

2186
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:08,320
Speaker 1: was so soulful. They didn't want nobody fucking know he's

2187
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 1: so you know he was, he didn't got so many

2188
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:12,120
Speaker 1: black folks married. He's getting it off. You know what

2189
01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Love but that But this song is like

2190
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 1: to me a culture, a love song. It's so powerful.

2191
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 1: It's like, but it wasn't the top ten, right, but

2192
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:27,480
Speaker 1: it's powerful when you listen to Faith Evans Caramel Kisses

2193
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 1: on the top ten. But guess what when it comes

2194
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:37,320
Speaker 1: on as soon as I get home, chop ten for

2195
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: us for magic though, first of all, that's that's that's

2196
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 1: elerent me. The Faith Evans is she is like I don't.

2197
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 2: Know, I had to Catt. I got the cassette as

2198
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 2: a gift. That's how much I loved her. I got

2199
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 2: it as a gift.

2200
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 1: She's the only when I still get starstruck to be around.

2201
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:54,800
Speaker 1: I still I just.

2202
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:57,760
Speaker 3: Remember Faith looking so angelic on all of her covers.

2203
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 3: She had just a different tone, different, just like just

2204
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 3: like she's shining.

2205
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:07,920
Speaker 1: She was every she was everything for me. But them

2206
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:11,360
Speaker 1: songs felt you felt, you felt like we get we

2207
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:14,600
Speaker 1: got to know her through them songs like without even

2208
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:16,800
Speaker 1: mean her. I felt her story through them songs like

2209
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 1: I grew up with that, So I grew up with homegirls,

2210
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:22,920
Speaker 1: with aunties, with women, you know, like that was man.

2211
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:26,200
Speaker 2: I try to see people and I and I try

2212
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:28,920
Speaker 2: to give them a bit of normalcy because I know

2213
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:32,240
Speaker 2: that they've been you know, everywhere they go it's fans.

2214
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 2: It's fans fans, and you know, then they run into

2215
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:36,280
Speaker 2: me and it's one more fans.

2216
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:39,520
Speaker 1: I try to I try to give them a little bit.

2217
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:41,280
Speaker 1: It was like, you good, you know what I'm saying.

2218
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 1: How how's the family? You know?

2219
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 2: Try to well, really, I want to be like man,

2220
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:49,240
Speaker 2: I just want to shake your head.

2221
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 1: For some reason, when I see Faith, I try to

2222
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,160
Speaker 1: get regular, but I think I always say some stupid

2223
02:00:55,200 --> 02:01:01,200
Speaker 1: ship like I don't know, you know, I'm such a fan.

2224
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 2: Her something bro everything, man, everything. Let me let me

2225
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:07,920
Speaker 2: get Let me get one one thing from you.

2226
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Let me get it.

2227
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:13,080
Speaker 2: What would you one piece of advice that you would

2228
02:01:13,120 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 2: tell that you would tell a super musician who wants

2229
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:21,800
Speaker 2: to do, who wants to produce? How would you tell

2230
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:25,720
Speaker 2: him in terms of making that transition about.

2231
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:28,560
Speaker 1: Asking him what is the end go? Why does he

2232
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 1: want to produce? He said, I wanted to make music

2233
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,800
Speaker 1: want to make music. It's the whole thing. I gotta

2234
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:37,680
Speaker 1: ask him. But but I'll tell you this if at

2235
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:40,560
Speaker 1: the end of the day, my questions will be, are

2236
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:43,080
Speaker 1: you here to make music, to make a mark in

2237
02:01:43,120 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 1: whatever blessings come from that you take, whatever down falls

2238
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:48,440
Speaker 1: you take to or are you here to come with it.

2239
02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm coming to get this bread because if you come

2240
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:53,200
Speaker 1: and get this bread, I can tell you I do

2241
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 1: that too. I know the guy's gonna talk to too.

2242
02:01:57,280 --> 02:01:59,840
Speaker 1: It's a thing. It's the thing that I don't like

2243
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:01,080
Speaker 1: that tell people how to do it, but it does.

2244
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:03,360
Speaker 1: It's the thing, you know, and you have to sacrifice

2245
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:06,720
Speaker 1: so much of who you are financially, business wise and

2246
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 1: everything if you want to go straight to it in

2247
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 1: my experience, but if you're here to make a mark

2248
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 1: and just right you know, the massive teacher Roy Hargove

2249
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 1: to say this, this is one of the only business music.

2250
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 1: You got to give music one hundred and fifty percent

2251
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:23,640
Speaker 1: and hopefully you'll get back fifteen percent. You know what

2252
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So if you on that journey, and this

2253
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:27,800
Speaker 1: is the journey you want to be on, I got

2254
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,440
Speaker 1: some things I could definitely tell you, which is love,

2255
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:34,600
Speaker 1: it all, and you know, you gotta it's so dark

2256
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 1: when I say this, but it's not. But you gotta

2257
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,960
Speaker 1: find a weird way to fall in love with the

2258
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:42,720
Speaker 1: pit falls just like the success. And you got to

2259
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:44,960
Speaker 1: get to be safe. You got to acknowledge when you

2260
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:47,920
Speaker 1: win andcknowledge things. But you got to kind of keep

2261
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:50,160
Speaker 1: a steady pace going on because this game is so

2262
02:02:50,200 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 1: many valleys. You know, I've been this. I'm third generation this.

2263
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 1: So I grew up all publishing. I grew up when

2264
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:58,160
Speaker 1: crack came in. We lived in a hotel. I've grew

2265
02:02:58,240 --> 02:03:01,240
Speaker 1: up in a popular era. This I know all. I'm

2266
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:05,320
Speaker 1: a child that grew up in a record business household,

2267
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:09,520
Speaker 1: so you know. And I don't have other I do

2268
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:12,480
Speaker 1: music for a living. I don't have the ten apartment

2269
02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 1: buildings over there. I don't I do music. I'm a

2270
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm a real creator. I'm gonna die doing this. That's

2271
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 1: what he said. I'm here to do. I can't fit

2272
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:25,040
Speaker 1: into no other mode. I could love everything. This is

2273
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,520
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. But if you on that real question,

2274
02:03:27,960 --> 02:03:30,160
Speaker 1: you you got to fall in love with every aspect

2275
02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:32,200
Speaker 1: of it. You got to fall in love at every

2276
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:34,480
Speaker 1: aspect of it, because that's the only way you're gonna

2277
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:36,920
Speaker 1: develop that thing, to stay focused on that art thing,

2278
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, once you start bringing the emotions to the values.

2279
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:42,360
Speaker 1: Because it's rough, especially when you ain't got the rent

2280
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:45,720
Speaker 1: money and it's bad. You got kids and everybody calling

2281
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,320
Speaker 1: because it's rough and nobody it's hard to get money

2282
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:50,920
Speaker 1: for everybody. So even the person calling pressing for money

2283
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:52,640
Speaker 1: is not they want to press you. It's just fucked

2284
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:55,320
Speaker 1: up for them. Y'all. Now, y'all arguing in this, but

2285
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:59,040
Speaker 1: it's all no, it's all this, it's all these things.

2286
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:02,240
Speaker 1: It's all these things that that go down. Why why

2287
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:04,800
Speaker 1: you're creative because you don't make a lot of money

2288
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 1: when you're gambling on yourself in the beginning or whenever,

2289
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so much, I'm such a I want

2290
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:14,680
Speaker 1: to drop myself so much from my own company because

2291
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:17,920
Speaker 1: I keep getting I love I love the music artists

2292
02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:22,760
Speaker 1: to come from the label, you know. But I would

2293
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,600
Speaker 1: tell a man fall in love with everything and learn

2294
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:26,360
Speaker 1: as much as you can and just be in love

2295
02:04:26,680 --> 02:04:29,520
Speaker 1: and just be in love with it, man, just fall

2296
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 1: in love with it, you know. And it's hard to

2297
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 1: fall in love because people get the business confused with

2298
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:38,720
Speaker 1: the art. It's not the same thing. You know. The

2299
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:42,440
Speaker 1: business is the business. You know. You know people people

2300
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 1: people do business where it works out for them. I mean,

2301
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:47,160
Speaker 1: how it the name of businesses. I gotta protect me

2302
02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:49,800
Speaker 1: and my family no matter what. It is, just business,

2303
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, So don't be scared of that ship. I

2304
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 1: do business all the time. I called you to clear out,

2305
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm I'm doing business because I'm like,

2306
02:04:57,400 --> 02:04:59,680
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna eat, That's how we're gonna live,

2307
02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:02,120
Speaker 1: That's how we're gonna party and see each other later

2308
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:03,480
Speaker 1: on and not be weird when we see each other

2309
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:05,960
Speaker 1: in the mall. Because the business is cool. The business

2310
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 1: has to be cool. The business. You got to focus

2311
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:10,920
Speaker 1: on business too. And it's a few ways you could

2312
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:13,280
Speaker 1: focus on business. You could go get the book like

2313
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 1: everybody was teacher ever, go go get the book. Or

2314
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:21,680
Speaker 1: you could build your own book and run your own race.

2315
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 1: Because certain books that's written about this business are based

2316
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:31,480
Speaker 1: off certain views things are done. My journey is completely different.

2317
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,720
Speaker 1: So my journey doesn't. It hadn't fit in any book yet.

2318
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:39,600
Speaker 1: I haven't read my journey yet. It's so weird, Like, yeah,

2319
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's so it's like you gotta get in,

2320
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:45,360
Speaker 1: you gotta dive in, and you can't be diving. You

2321
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:48,040
Speaker 1: got to dive in. But let me be clear though,

2322
02:05:48,040 --> 02:05:51,720
Speaker 1: because all motherfuckers be you know. It's just it's it's

2323
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:56,160
Speaker 1: so tricky, man, because you know, I see so many

2324
02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:59,800
Speaker 1: other most talented people make the craziest mistakes. Like I

2325
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,440
Speaker 1: always tell people, like my job for years, I feel

2326
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:04,760
Speaker 1: the creator got me here to where when I meet

2327
02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:06,840
Speaker 1: a young artist, I be friend of doing music with them.

2328
02:06:06,840 --> 02:06:08,480
Speaker 1: And it's been a couple that I've had to call

2329
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 1: their parents like you should come get your baby. I

2330
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:14,120
Speaker 1: would come get my baby because LA getting to them

2331
02:06:14,120 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 1: in a different kind of way. It ain't my business,

2332
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,120
Speaker 1: say how but you need to come and get your baby.

2333
02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:21,000
Speaker 1: Two ways. A kid gonna come out here with a dream,

2334
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:24,320
Speaker 1: they gonna make it. They're gonna go back home, or

2335
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:27,840
Speaker 1: they gonna die broken heart. That's Los Angeles. That's the

2336
02:06:27,960 --> 02:06:30,920
Speaker 1: entertainment business. That's what I've seen. That's just what i've seen.

2337
02:06:30,920 --> 02:06:33,080
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, you know what I mean. So

2338
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:35,440
Speaker 1: it's like having that head, having that spirit right, making

2339
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:37,920
Speaker 1: sure you when you in line with your folks, like

2340
02:06:38,080 --> 02:06:40,360
Speaker 1: making sure you're in line with your family members, your

2341
02:06:40,360 --> 02:06:42,520
Speaker 1: mom and your daddy if they're still here. Just making

2342
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:44,560
Speaker 1: sure you align with people that got the truth. People

2343
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:46,840
Speaker 1: that's praying for you, loving you. If you're gonna be

2344
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:50,640
Speaker 1: in this game, like it's it's a real game, you know.

2345
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:53,320
Speaker 1: I don't call it bad, I don't call it good.

2346
02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:55,960
Speaker 1: I call it the ball game. And I made a

2347
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 1: conscious decision to be a part of this, you know,

2348
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:02,200
Speaker 1: So I take whatever with this. But that's that's kind

2349
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:03,840
Speaker 1: of that was my view on the streets though, I

2350
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:05,480
Speaker 1: take with that. And this is much safer than the

2351
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:08,320
Speaker 1: streets for me. When I hear rappers saying the rappers

2352
02:07:08,440 --> 02:07:11,920
Speaker 1: David's job, man, shut the fuck up, you talking ship

2353
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:15,080
Speaker 1: getting chased. You, shut the fuck up. You can go home.

2354
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:17,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know that, and not

2355
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:21,040
Speaker 1: could be sensitive some but you know, you know I'm

2356
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:24,280
Speaker 1: from that thing. So I just get let's get home,

2357
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:27,160
Speaker 1: you know. But we gotta respect this ball game. I

2358
02:07:27,160 --> 02:07:30,720
Speaker 1: would tell I would tell all these things, like and

2359
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,920
Speaker 1: just do good music. If you're good, we'll hear about you.

2360
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:37,160
Speaker 1: We always do it, don't we. We always hear about him. Again.

2361
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:43,800
Speaker 1: I remember hit Boy, and when I first saw hit Boy.

2362
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 1: Uh uh. Paulo to Don, Pollo to Don. He was

2363
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:54,880
Speaker 1: in l A for a while, and Paulo's like, man,

2364
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:56,760
Speaker 1: I really want to work with Snoop. And I was like,

2365
02:07:56,760 --> 02:07:59,280
Speaker 1: all right, let me let me ship. I'm gonna bring

2366
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:01,440
Speaker 1: him by the studio. Could press play, I'm bringing bad

2367
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 1: So I go pick up Snoopy, go see Paulo and

2368
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:06,920
Speaker 1: donnad record plant. He playing these beats. I'm like, oh,

2369
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:10,240
Speaker 1: he played when that's a monster. Everybody bobbing their head.

2370
02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:13,240
Speaker 1: But I see this little kid in the back, a

2371
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:16,760
Speaker 1: little kid, a teenager kid, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, Loo,

2372
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:21,040
Speaker 1: get headphones. He ain't saying nothing. Years later, he said, hey, bro,

2373
02:08:21,120 --> 02:08:24,120
Speaker 1: remember that studio session, follow Don. That was my beating.

2374
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:26,600
Speaker 1: That was me in the back. And I said, man,

2375
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad I was nice to you because you are

2376
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:32,160
Speaker 1: a monster. God, I'm glad I'm on the other side

2377
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:36,800
Speaker 1: of you, because you are a monster. Hit Boy a monster.

2378
02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:40,120
Speaker 1: He is a monster. You see what he's doing with

2379
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:43,880
Speaker 1: his father. That's that's the human. That's that's that's the part,

2380
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:47,840
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the trophy that the game won't give you.

2381
02:08:48,520 --> 02:08:50,800
Speaker 1: But that's the trophy that the universe and the creator

2382
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:53,000
Speaker 1: will give you that that that's the thing that after

2383
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:55,960
Speaker 1: the game is washed up with you in all this situation,

2384
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:58,840
Speaker 1: we all gotta go home and be along. We all,

2385
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:00,840
Speaker 1: we all got to pay the pipe, good or bad,

2386
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:04,880
Speaker 1: I ever gotta go. That's what you do. That's what

2387
02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:10,280
Speaker 1: you do to secure your family, your spirit, your touch.

2388
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 1: That's important this game. That's what you do to secure that.

2389
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:17,120
Speaker 1: You don't listen to nobody else. You roll with your folks. Man.

2390
02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:20,280
Speaker 1: When my daddy finally got cancer, but I did so

2391
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:22,960
Speaker 1: many records on him, all my records that grabbed me.

2392
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:25,920
Speaker 1: Now everything Kendrick loses all my dad playing drums, I do.

2393
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:28,720
Speaker 1: That's what you do. That's that's how you put in

2394
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 1: a stone for your babies. You know, your daughter sing,

2395
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:37,440
Speaker 1: I got my oldest daughters, the beast, the beast. That's

2396
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:40,480
Speaker 1: the beast. I thought, you know, I thought about that

2397
02:09:40,680 --> 02:09:43,080
Speaker 1: because that was me and my dad. Like we we

2398
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:46,000
Speaker 1: bonded so much over music and recording together. You know

2399
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's recording man, that's yeah, you know,

2400
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:58,760
Speaker 1: I forgot what I'm talking about again. Up let me

2401
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:00,800
Speaker 1: say this though, it's do what I want to talk

2402
02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:03,680
Speaker 1: about that. Nobody talks about him, but people talk about

2403
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 1: him with a certain era. His name is Reggie Andrews,

2404
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:12,960
Speaker 1: the producer and writer for a group called the Dazz Band.

2405
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah Teacher, Yeah teacher, music teacher, a lot dh teacher

2406
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:24,080
Speaker 1: that taught Patrise, Russian, Tyrese, Tyresse, a real Reggie baby.

2407
02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:28,560
Speaker 1: Shout out to Reese for always being on debt Tyrese,

2408
02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 1: Jold Albright, Patrise, Russian, Kamasi, Washington, Terrace, Martin Thundercat, like

2409
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:40,320
Speaker 1: Jay Swift from the Far Side, like his His list

2410
02:10:40,360 --> 02:10:43,200
Speaker 1: of successful artists that all could afford place to live

2411
02:10:43,240 --> 02:10:45,040
Speaker 1: on her own is huge, and that's a hard thing

2412
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:47,640
Speaker 1: to do, you know. Shout out to Reggie Andrews because

2413
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:50,120
Speaker 1: just deep I thought about this. So my father came

2414
02:10:50,160 --> 02:10:53,960
Speaker 1: to LA from New York in nineteen seventy four, and

2415
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:58,040
Speaker 1: in New York in the seventies, in the early age,

2416
02:10:58,040 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 1: it was like, you get to LA, you got a

2417
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,280
Speaker 1: find Reggie Andrews. He's a big producer. He gonna put

2418
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:05,920
Speaker 1: you on. Reggie Andrews. My dad comes, everybody comes. Reggie

2419
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:07,920
Speaker 1: so cracking. Nobody never finds him. He's in Holly, he's

2420
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:14,120
Speaker 1: doing he's he's arranging, he's doing huge records producer and uh,

2421
02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:16,480
Speaker 1: it's just funny. I think about that story because Reggie

2422
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:18,280
Speaker 1: so important to meet me and Thanny Cat always like

2423
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:23,120
Speaker 1: without him, Without Reggie Andrews's no to pimper Butterfly. We

2424
02:11:23,160 --> 02:11:25,800
Speaker 1: started to pimp a Butterfly in Reggie's van in the nineties.

2425
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:29,440
Speaker 1: That's when that record started. We started coming up with

2426
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:34,720
Speaker 1: those weird, freaky, unorthodox, strange ideas because of Reggie, Andrews

2427
02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:38,720
Speaker 1: gave Thundercat myself all these different keys to unlocked doors

2428
02:11:38,760 --> 02:11:41,000
Speaker 1: in your brain, young black kids. So my father came

2429
02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:43,000
Speaker 1: out here to find Reggie and he never found him.

2430
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:45,960
Speaker 1: And then ironically I go to I go to Santa Monica. Hi,

2431
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting to a little trouble. I got kicked off

2432
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:51,560
Speaker 1: for a fighting a gun case. They sat out a gun, right,

2433
02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:53,840
Speaker 1: So I go to JAM I come out of jail.

2434
02:11:53,960 --> 02:11:56,320
Speaker 1: I got I gotta change schools. There's no other school

2435
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:58,640
Speaker 1: I could go. I'm playing. I'm playing saxophone though I'm

2436
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:01,560
Speaker 1: on my shit. I'm but I'm selling guns at the time.

2437
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm not robbing, I'm not killing it. I'm not a fighter.

2438
02:12:04,360 --> 02:12:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm a lover. I love making love and music. You know.

2439
02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:10,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm just selling a gun.

2440
02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm not a punk, though, but I'm just selling a gun.

2441
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:15,520
Speaker 1: And because I got to say that so it won't

2442
02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 1: be this weird, because it ain't no when you're from

2443
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:20,000
Speaker 1: the hood, like I mean, you ain't trying to be hard.

2444
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:21,600
Speaker 1: That's regular, like you just trying to get some money.

2445
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:23,720
Speaker 1: You ain't tripping like that. So it ain't the glorious

2446
02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:25,320
Speaker 1: hood story I'm giving you. I'm just trying to sell

2447
02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:27,760
Speaker 1: a gun. I got hemmed up, ended up, getting kicked

2448
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:30,000
Speaker 1: out of the whole school district. I had nowhere to go,

2449
02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:32,400
Speaker 1: but I was excelling the music so high. All the

2450
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:34,320
Speaker 1: district was hearing about me. But now I had this

2451
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:38,080
Speaker 1: like this sixteen year old kid, a concealed loaded weapons

2452
02:12:38,080 --> 02:12:41,160
Speaker 1: following you, and I would tell you I have trauma.

2453
02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:42,680
Speaker 1: That's why I keep saying I was selling the gun.

2454
02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:44,720
Speaker 1: It still bothers me where I stay. I was only

2455
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:47,040
Speaker 1: selling them, I wasn't. I don't hurt nobody. I'm not

2456
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:49,720
Speaker 1: a gangster. I'm just hanging. You know, I just know

2457
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:51,920
Speaker 1: the language. I just grew up around the guys. You

2458
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I'm just doing music. But Reggie

2459
02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:57,000
Speaker 1: Andrews took a chance because the security man watch out

2460
02:12:57,000 --> 02:12:59,680
Speaker 1: guy work the security at Santa Monica High School name

2461
02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:02,800
Speaker 1: was mad Dog. Mad Dog was a drummer. I also

2462
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:04,680
Speaker 1: knew my dad. I never knew this, but mad Dog

2463
02:13:04,720 --> 02:13:06,600
Speaker 1: was a drummer in La. He knew my dad. Mad

2464
02:13:06,640 --> 02:13:10,480
Speaker 1: Dog was best friends with Reggie Andrews and they had

2465
02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 1: a little thing where Reggie would tap into all the

2466
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:15,320
Speaker 1: high schools to see who's the young kids playing music.

2467
02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:17,320
Speaker 1: I need to get him to my school. I need

2468
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:18,960
Speaker 1: to get him to my school. So mad Dog had

2469
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:22,000
Speaker 1: been watching me and one day I never catch He said, hey, man,

2470
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:24,400
Speaker 1: these folks out here don't understand you. Man, Man, you're

2471
02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna have to get to a real black school. And

2472
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:28,600
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm going to crench Shaw because

2473
02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:31,040
Speaker 1: that's my school district. He said, Man. So I got

2474
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:34,400
Speaker 1: kicked out. Mad Dog called my mom and said, my

2475
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:37,000
Speaker 1: friend Reggie Andrews would like to take a meeting with you.

2476
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:39,360
Speaker 1: He has a school that your son would excel in.

2477
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:42,000
Speaker 1: And he could almost he saw his grades. He could

2478
02:13:42,040 --> 02:13:45,520
Speaker 1: almost guarantee almost Niggas was saying almost that he would

2479
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:47,880
Speaker 1: get into a college, and that was a big deal

2480
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:50,480
Speaker 1: then because it wasn't looking like I was going nowhere.

2481
02:13:50,680 --> 02:13:53,000
Speaker 1: I was just playing a horn and studying Cold Trane,

2482
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:55,600
Speaker 1: having a kid young and trying to have other kids

2483
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:59,120
Speaker 1: probably at that time. And so mad Dog's old Reggie Man,

2484
02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:01,120
Speaker 1: Reggie came to my mom and I remember sat down.

2485
02:14:01,120 --> 02:14:03,360
Speaker 1: My mom was like, so what you do. He was like,

2486
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:05,920
Speaker 1: I know what to do with him. Like, I've seen

2487
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:08,760
Speaker 1: his grades, I heard him play. Everybody talks say, he's

2488
02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:10,600
Speaker 1: a good kid. He's a little trouble. I know he's

2489
02:14:10,600 --> 02:14:12,960
Speaker 1: going through some trouble, you know, and he's had he's

2490
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:14,800
Speaker 1: at a turning point in his like for he gonna

2491
02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:17,320
Speaker 1: either go here or he gonna go full fledged here.

2492
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:19,520
Speaker 1: And in my head, I was never going to go

2493
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:21,360
Speaker 1: full fledged here, but I probably would have went full

2494
02:14:21,400 --> 02:14:23,800
Speaker 1: fledged out of pure pressure of not wanting to be

2495
02:14:23,880 --> 02:14:26,200
Speaker 1: called weird or not want to be just not want

2496
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:27,960
Speaker 1: to be not in the end crowd as a young

2497
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:29,920
Speaker 1: black kid. That's I probably would have done some dumb

2498
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:32,960
Speaker 1: shit like most, like most a lot of my friends didn't,

2499
02:14:33,160 --> 02:14:35,400
Speaker 1: you know. So I never wanted to be a street dude.

2500
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:37,640
Speaker 1: So when Reggie got to me, my mom was like,

2501
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:40,240
Speaker 1: what school you teach at? And when that nigga said

2502
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:43,320
Speaker 1: Lock High. Now y'all don't know, do y'all research on

2503
02:14:43,400 --> 02:14:45,800
Speaker 1: lock High? Lock High? At this time? It's one of

2504
02:14:45,960 --> 02:14:48,400
Speaker 1: LA's crazy at school. This is like one of the

2505
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:51,240
Speaker 1: first schools with the metal detect. This is like he's

2506
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:53,960
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no. This is like they found

2507
02:14:53,960 --> 02:14:55,560
Speaker 1: a girl hanging from it. Like this is a whole.

2508
02:14:56,080 --> 02:14:59,000
Speaker 1: This is like we When he said Lock High, me

2509
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 1: and my mama say, I ain't going to lock Hall.

2510
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lock Call. I ain't gotta go.

2511
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:06,040
Speaker 1: I'll go to I ain't gotta go to Crenshaw, but

2512
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to Lot And he said hear me out.

2513
02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he broke it down, while I should go

2514
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:11,640
Speaker 1: to lock Card. And the best thing I did in

2515
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:13,440
Speaker 1: my life, man, was go to lock Card. That first

2516
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:17,400
Speaker 1: day I went to that school, tenth grade. The first

2517
02:15:17,480 --> 02:15:19,120
Speaker 1: day I win. He said, the first day you went,

2518
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:23,280
Speaker 1: we have to play. Bill Clint was was doing his run,

2519
02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:24,920
Speaker 1: trying to be a president, trying to be the president

2520
02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:26,879
Speaker 1: at the time he ended up being coming to President.

2521
02:15:27,400 --> 02:15:29,640
Speaker 1: Ty Reese was there. He had some brown leather boots.

2522
02:15:29,640 --> 02:15:34,400
Speaker 1: So then I got oh Man. Anyway, So Reggie Andrew.

2523
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:38,640
Speaker 1: So the first gig, Brandy's there, Reggie has me there.

2524
02:15:38,720 --> 02:15:41,440
Speaker 1: It's a big band and it's with Wayne Shorter. And

2525
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:44,640
Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm seeing Kemasi Washington, the

2526
02:15:44,680 --> 02:15:47,080
Speaker 1: first time I'm seeing done that. The first time I'm

2527
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:49,440
Speaker 1: seeing really an NPC is at Lock High School. Because

2528
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:52,520
Speaker 1: Reggie was building a crew of he knew what he

2529
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:55,360
Speaker 1: was doing, and all of us went to colleges. It

2530
02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:58,520
Speaker 1: ain't one dummy off the crew. Camasi at u c

2531
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:00,360
Speaker 1: l A. I went to cal Arts and you seet

2532
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:02,320
Speaker 1: Ronald Cayle Larks though the only one did go to

2533
02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:03,840
Speaker 1: school because he was he didn't. He was already with

2534
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:06,160
Speaker 1: Eric about doing doing all the records with thunder Cat,

2535
02:16:06,200 --> 02:16:08,320
Speaker 1: but everybody had options to go to. He made sure

2536
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:10,760
Speaker 1: our grades was up and the musical he was up.

2537
02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:14,840
Speaker 1: He would do things like, uh, terrors, you want to

2538
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:17,280
Speaker 1: do this shit for real? He like, Okay, I'm gonna

2539
02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:18,760
Speaker 1: take you on a field trip. We're going to Tyree's

2540
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:23,000
Speaker 1: house because Tyree's graduated two years before me. Right four,

2541
02:16:23,080 --> 02:16:25,960
Speaker 1: Me and respectful. First of all, we we love Tyree.

2542
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:27,800
Speaker 1: I still love Reese. But we used to get sick

2543
02:16:27,800 --> 02:16:30,120
Speaker 1: here in Tyree's name because Reggie, he was so proud

2544
02:16:30,160 --> 02:16:32,680
Speaker 1: of Tyree. He'd be like, come on, because did you

2545
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:34,959
Speaker 1: see what Tyree's doing? So we grew up being like

2546
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:37,560
Speaker 1: come on because another Tyree story, like so Tyre's in

2547
02:16:37,640 --> 02:16:39,360
Speaker 1: high school for us was like he was the model,

2548
02:16:39,440 --> 02:16:42,200
Speaker 1: right but and I never told Tyree this, And I

2549
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,600
Speaker 1: never told this is kind of deep. I thought about

2550
02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:46,720
Speaker 1: this in the shower. This is brand I thought about

2551
02:16:46,760 --> 02:16:48,680
Speaker 1: this in my life. I was like, when did I

2552
02:16:48,720 --> 02:16:52,840
Speaker 1: first want to? I started looking at my house, like

2553
02:16:52,840 --> 02:16:54,600
Speaker 1: why am I in this house? Why did I? How

2554
02:16:54,640 --> 02:16:57,800
Speaker 1: did I get here? How ma in this community? How

2555
02:16:57,800 --> 02:17:00,680
Speaker 1: am I? I just had a weird brain fart, like

2556
02:17:00,720 --> 02:17:03,959
Speaker 1: how did I get here? Like night ship?

2557
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:04,360
Speaker 2: How do I?

2558
02:17:04,600 --> 02:17:08,680
Speaker 1: How do I do this? Though? And I said, Reggie

2559
02:17:08,720 --> 02:17:11,720
Speaker 1: took me on a field trip to Tyreese's house. His

2560
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:14,280
Speaker 1: tyres had just started making bread. He had a house

2561
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:18,720
Speaker 1: in Temecula. I never seen I never seen. I never

2562
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:24,360
Speaker 1: seen nobody close to my age that was still hood,

2563
02:17:24,640 --> 02:17:28,279
Speaker 1: still pulling up. I never seen nobody with a kitchen

2564
02:17:28,320 --> 02:17:31,760
Speaker 1: with an island in it, like it was life changing.

2565
02:17:31,800 --> 02:17:33,800
Speaker 1: And I remember I remember it like yesterday. I don't

2566
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:36,560
Speaker 1: know his manager. He was filming something and he was

2567
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:38,760
Speaker 1: on a strict diet. He didn't say that, but I

2568
02:17:38,840 --> 02:17:41,280
Speaker 1: knew because it's the first time I seen like this

2569
02:17:41,360 --> 02:17:42,960
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be funny, this is for real.

2570
02:17:42,959 --> 02:17:45,760
Speaker 1: I was seventeenth the first time I seen like a boneless,

2571
02:17:45,800 --> 02:17:48,480
Speaker 1: skinless chicken breast with a piece of broccoli with no season.

2572
02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:51,360
Speaker 1: I just remember like, why is he eating that ship?

2573
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:54,480
Speaker 1: But he's all in shape, you know, And I just

2574
02:17:54,480 --> 02:17:56,800
Speaker 1: remember him being like cool. I remember me asking him.

2575
02:17:56,920 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 1: I remember asking him a question like because I didn't

2576
02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:02,720
Speaker 1: grow with Tyres, we from the school this class later,

2577
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:04,800
Speaker 1: but we feel like he's our bigger if we was

2578
02:18:04,840 --> 02:18:07,480
Speaker 1: in a attorney, he's our bigger brother, and we have

2579
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:10,120
Speaker 1: all the respect for Tyree. He's a bad motherfucker. And

2580
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:11,879
Speaker 1: where he come from it let me tell you something

2581
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:16,720
Speaker 1: you don't but whatever Reese go through, and let me

2582
02:18:16,760 --> 02:18:19,720
Speaker 1: tell you something, where he come from is a different thing,

2583
02:18:20,320 --> 02:18:23,720
Speaker 1: you know. So I get the whole artistic bobe with him.

2584
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:29,359
Speaker 1: But uh, that fucking island man, He had an island,

2585
02:18:29,400 --> 02:18:32,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't know, why do you need this? But

2586
02:18:32,680 --> 02:18:35,200
Speaker 1: he was so cool man. And I remember asking him

2587
02:18:35,320 --> 02:18:37,680
Speaker 1: because I was kind of like, let me see if

2588
02:18:37,720 --> 02:18:41,560
Speaker 1: he knows what's up. Kim Barell just came out with

2589
02:18:41,600 --> 02:18:44,520
Speaker 1: Everlasting Life at that time, or it was about to

2590
02:18:44,520 --> 02:18:47,160
Speaker 1: come out with somebody. Everlasting Life was out, and I

2591
02:18:47,160 --> 02:18:49,360
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Kim Morell is and he was like,

2592
02:18:50,959 --> 02:18:56,400
Speaker 1: that's my folks hard and he was so like, I said, damn,

2593
02:18:56,400 --> 02:18:59,720
Speaker 1: that's hip that Tyreese is hip to Kim Barell. You know,

2594
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't he be if I'm just an asshole kid

2595
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:04,000
Speaker 1: that going through the same school he went to, and

2596
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:10,880
Speaker 1: my teachers always saying, yeah, he called that, you know,

2597
02:19:10,920 --> 02:19:15,400
Speaker 1: but tyre has always been like he wrote from Afar,

2598
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:19,120
Speaker 1: but so close. Reggie Andrews to always want to get

2599
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:20,760
Speaker 1: us to work together, like he was busy and I

2600
02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:22,920
Speaker 1: was always but our birthdays. I think my birthday is

2601
02:19:22,920 --> 02:19:29,920
Speaker 1: December twenty win this races. This is the December first

2602
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:32,760
Speaker 1: I got Reggie's text. All your birthdays around that same

2603
02:19:33,080 --> 02:19:36,240
Speaker 1: Reggie always said, hey, I'm calling Tyree's next. On thirty

2604
02:19:36,360 --> 02:19:39,200
Speaker 1: twenty five years on the birthday text. You know, ask

2605
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:42,600
Speaker 1: Ty's about Reggie's birthday text. I'm sure you know it's

2606
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:45,040
Speaker 1: a real thing. Like so Tyree, Tyree comes from that

2607
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:48,080
Speaker 1: thing though, see it gets deep. He comes from that channel.

2608
02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:53,920
Speaker 1: He comes from that channel. So it's like him acting, singing,

2609
02:19:55,879 --> 02:19:57,879
Speaker 1: being so poetic when he talked, all this is that's

2610
02:19:59,440 --> 02:20:01,840
Speaker 1: he comes from the Reddy Andrews. He's he's one of

2611
02:20:01,959 --> 02:20:05,320
Speaker 1: our most important black artists in the world that just

2612
02:20:05,400 --> 02:20:08,520
Speaker 1: so happens to be from Watts. M M. It ain't

2613
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:12,800
Speaker 1: it ain't easy. That's a bad motherfucker. It's a bad motherfucker. Man,

2614
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:17,440
Speaker 1: Reggy Andrews, you gonna be like talking, Okay, Goddamn. When

2615
02:20:17,480 --> 02:20:19,520
Speaker 1: I saw Tyree's house, I said, I gotta be like Tyree,

2616
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:27,640
Speaker 1: cut my hair, go ball, sweet lady. I love him, Man,

2617
02:20:28,760 --> 02:20:34,720
Speaker 1: TANJ Martin. Yes, your top five R and B singers,

2618
02:20:39,560 --> 02:20:43,360
Speaker 1: R and B. You know all all that all it

2619
02:20:43,480 --> 02:20:47,040
Speaker 1: all encompasses the whole universe of singers. Let's just say

2620
02:20:47,080 --> 02:20:56,240
Speaker 1: that half your way. Charlie Wilson, keep running, keep on running,

2621
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:00,880
Speaker 1: Faith Evans, yet or not. You better not do this,

2622
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:07,240
Speaker 1: not in this order, this order. You better not tank Uh.

2623
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:11,920
Speaker 1: It's okay, okay, you take it, just takes. It's hard

2624
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:13,800
Speaker 1: for me to take that too. People's I just I

2625
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:16,760
Speaker 1: turned my head down. Just weird. It's it's it's the

2626
02:21:16,840 --> 02:21:18,920
Speaker 1: church and it's so weird and the studio. We could

2627
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:25,039
Speaker 1: do it though, with a certain kind of but just no, brother,

2628
02:21:28,400 --> 02:21:36,040
Speaker 1: is that four three perfect? Not in this order? Eric Dawkins, Yeah,

2629
02:21:36,680 --> 02:21:41,800
Speaker 1: since yeah, but way, I've seen all these people make

2630
02:21:41,879 --> 02:21:44,480
Speaker 1: up things in the moment. That's I'm judging the whole.

2631
02:21:44,480 --> 02:21:46,560
Speaker 1: It's a lot of things I'm judging off of. I've

2632
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:49,240
Speaker 1: seen all these artists create songs in the middle of

2633
02:21:49,400 --> 02:21:52,600
Speaker 1: sound checks and tags the end of songs. I seen

2634
02:21:52,680 --> 02:21:55,840
Speaker 1: all these artists sang when the mics was messed up.

2635
02:21:55,840 --> 02:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I've seen all these artists when I've seen all these

2636
02:21:58,879 --> 02:22:01,480
Speaker 1: artists at all the levels. Yeah, been to so many

2637
02:22:01,480 --> 02:22:08,000
Speaker 1: and yourself no so uh, I said Eric Dawkins, benefit

2638
02:22:08,040 --> 02:22:11,880
Speaker 1: of his since ninety five. I'm with you, yep, talks

2639
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:26,119
Speaker 1: and talkings. Got one more. God rest his soul. Jesse Powell.

2640
02:22:26,600 --> 02:22:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Jesse. We're talking about the level right, Oh,

2641
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:38,880
Speaker 1: the level, talking about the level, I'm talking about intonations,

2642
02:22:38,959 --> 02:22:45,480
Speaker 1: saying performance, theatory syllables. Oh thing, Daniel eye. I've seen

2643
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:47,760
Speaker 1: them singing praise and worship. I seen him seeing to

2644
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:49,800
Speaker 1: a woman. I've seen I've seen Jesse when I was younger,

2645
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:52,680
Speaker 1: Auder and back then I said, man, they oh yeah,

2646
02:22:55,240 --> 02:22:57,800
Speaker 1: the one He's gonna inspire too many good things. They don't.

2647
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:02,680
Speaker 1: Nobody even fries to re sing that Record're good, We're

2648
02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:09,400
Speaker 1: good people leave you alone good. Yeah, that's a record,

2649
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:14,560
Speaker 1: We're good. That's the record smash. But nobody plays around

2650
02:23:14,680 --> 02:23:17,000
Speaker 1: with that. No, leave it alone.

2651
02:23:17,160 --> 02:23:17,360
Speaker 3: Man.

2652
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:20,920
Speaker 1: You remember Jesse's range? What there are? There are lanes

2653
02:23:20,959 --> 02:23:26,959
Speaker 1: and levels. Man, that that's just five. But though if

2654
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:29,480
Speaker 1: I was me and Robert always blasts were always saying

2655
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:32,039
Speaker 1: we was going to war and we had to fight

2656
02:23:32,200 --> 02:23:34,960
Speaker 1: and heal the world with music. What top piano player with?

2657
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:39,000
Speaker 1: Those are my five that I know. I could go

2658
02:23:39,160 --> 02:23:43,440
Speaker 1: anywhere from all the levels from heart thriving music core

2659
02:23:43,640 --> 02:23:46,160
Speaker 1: changes to dexterity to that's just the five. I know.

2660
02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:49,320
Speaker 3: They taken off phase off Pasey that you know you

2661
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:50,880
Speaker 3: don't when need to come to the park like I

2662
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:51,480
Speaker 3: got my five?

2663
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got my You know what I'm saying, that's

2664
02:23:56,440 --> 02:23:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, songwriter, I got a song. I gotta all all.

2665
02:23:59,400 --> 02:24:02,600
Speaker 1: We do this a lot Top five R and B songs.

2666
02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:08,320
Speaker 1: Whoa oh, he said, I like that list some more

2667
02:24:08,400 --> 02:24:11,960
Speaker 1: water Man. We got some more water Man. Top R

2668
02:24:11,959 --> 02:24:17,760
Speaker 1: and B songs. Oh okay, here we go, Here we go,

2669
02:24:19,360 --> 02:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Top five, thank you by the top five R and

2670
02:24:20,879 --> 02:24:30,320
Speaker 1: B songs. You could tell a lot by a person

2671
02:24:30,360 --> 02:24:44,480
Speaker 1: about these answers. Jennet Jackson any time, any place. My

2672
02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:53,400
Speaker 1: heart belongs to you. Do that. Next rendition, rest in peace,

2673
02:24:53,480 --> 02:24:54,440
Speaker 1: Kenny A Ribbon the sky.

2674
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:55,440
Speaker 2: Hm hmm.

2675
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:08,640
Speaker 1: We don't talk about Kenny A lot that we haven't.

2676
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:13,960
Speaker 1: You just brought something crazy that had a song called

2677
02:25:14,040 --> 02:25:14,800
Speaker 1: coming Side.

2678
02:25:14,920 --> 02:25:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you let me, if you let me, if you

2679
02:25:18,400 --> 02:25:26,360
Speaker 2: the tone though, it's the tone, the arrangement, you know.

2680
02:25:26,920 --> 02:25:33,240
Speaker 1: So that's that's three. Tevin Campbell, Now can we talk.

2681
02:25:33,959 --> 02:25:37,960
Speaker 1: I know where you're going. Come on, set you by

2682
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:42,240
Speaker 1: the fire, your place. You know what I'm saying. Break

2683
02:25:42,320 --> 02:25:44,400
Speaker 1: it down, can get it down?

2684
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:49,160
Speaker 2: Press wrote that bottle stop playing? Yeah yeah, I mean

2685
02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:53,320
Speaker 2: I don't want no said. I can't let you do

2686
02:25:53,480 --> 02:25:59,040
Speaker 2: it by yourself. Come on, I need it back. I

2687
02:25:59,200 --> 02:25:59,920
Speaker 2: need that back.

2688
02:26:00,360 --> 02:26:03,360
Speaker 1: That's four. You went too crazy on my record. I

2689
02:26:03,480 --> 02:26:13,520
Speaker 1: need it back. Uh now I need faith even as

2690
02:26:13,560 --> 02:26:19,480
Speaker 1: soon as I get home. No, no, no, no, come

2691
02:26:19,560 --> 02:26:22,880
Speaker 1: over sorry come over fight That was once you come

2692
02:26:22,920 --> 02:26:26,720
Speaker 1: over and make a lot of me. Yeah, because that

2693
02:26:26,840 --> 02:26:28,760
Speaker 1: song hit a certain way in my Honda Core when

2694
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:32,600
Speaker 1: that came out, Come on, Chucky, come on man, come

2695
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:41,920
Speaker 1: on Chuck. When you finally brought that car boom, dude, dude,

2696
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:49,040
Speaker 1: oh manm keyboard sounds with and you had two twelves

2697
02:26:49,080 --> 02:26:52,000
Speaker 1: in the back, that's when that's when that's when you

2698
02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:55,560
Speaker 1: would just you would pick up the young lady. You know,

2699
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:57,959
Speaker 1: both of y'all in high school. Everybody's of age, same age.

2700
02:26:57,959 --> 02:27:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's seventeen together to say that these days here,

2701
02:27:02,520 --> 02:27:04,720
Speaker 1: so I'm in behind the core, I'm banging faith that was.

2702
02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:06,880
Speaker 1: But this is when you on purpose in La you

2703
02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:09,080
Speaker 1: just drive fast in the Gutta line for no reason,

2704
02:27:09,160 --> 02:27:10,800
Speaker 1: looking straight while the girl in the car and you're

2705
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:14,400
Speaker 1: playing faith that she's scared going fast, but the faith

2706
02:27:14,440 --> 02:27:16,680
Speaker 1: that was just still than her and you're just looking

2707
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:24,840
Speaker 1: and you just you saying the words I lived this

2708
02:27:25,000 --> 02:27:28,119
Speaker 1: R and B ship broke because they're only so cool

2709
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:34,000
Speaker 1: in the can push it to the streets. You ain't

2710
02:27:34,040 --> 02:27:38,360
Speaker 1: going and yo, remember the air your tape collection and

2711
02:27:38,480 --> 02:27:42,440
Speaker 1: your CD collection was how everybody yea and to see

2712
02:27:42,480 --> 02:27:44,760
Speaker 1: the evening I want to hear the city booklet.

2713
02:27:44,920 --> 02:27:48,400
Speaker 3: Come on man, Yeah, I had the black leather boot

2714
02:27:49,160 --> 02:27:51,760
Speaker 3: want the move, we said, But I was writing my

2715
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:53,720
Speaker 3: own songs to the fifteen, so I have you know,

2716
02:27:53,760 --> 02:27:54,160
Speaker 3: I mean.

2717
02:27:54,800 --> 02:28:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah you go oh yeah yeah Maxill It

2718
02:28:02,400 --> 02:28:08,680
Speaker 1: was like yeah, Max, yeah, all that was five yeah yeah,

2719
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:14,760
Speaker 1: actually hit us with two. That's all good because you know,

2720
02:28:14,879 --> 02:28:18,560
Speaker 1: you get weird when they come around. I love every

2721
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:25,400
Speaker 1: time I see be like some music, like some music.

2722
02:28:27,320 --> 02:28:29,160
Speaker 1: Here we go. Let's make your vulture on your super

2723
02:28:29,360 --> 02:28:30,520
Speaker 1: r and B artists easy.

2724
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:32,640
Speaker 2: We want to know who you're going to get the

2725
02:28:32,760 --> 02:28:36,360
Speaker 2: particulars from, Who you're gonna get the vocal from, who

2726
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:40,320
Speaker 2: you gonna get the performance style from, the styling, the

2727
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:43,760
Speaker 2: passion of the artists, and.

2728
02:28:45,440 --> 02:28:50,920
Speaker 1: What all star musical cast is going to play for

2729
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:55,320
Speaker 1: this artist. Yeah, it's different. You expect that one. Okay,

2730
02:28:55,360 --> 02:28:59,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Aaron Ray going on what vocal? Whole plan?

2731
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:03,959
Speaker 1: What vocal are you getting for this artist? One vocal?

2732
02:29:05,080 --> 02:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Which which second? I know you the singer A right?

2733
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I.

2734
02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:32,640
Speaker 2: Spelled performing right, styling a right, passion a right? What

2735
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:34,080
Speaker 2: group of musicians is playing for?

2736
02:29:36,040 --> 02:29:40,080
Speaker 1: There we go, Now it's real. The group of musicians

2737
02:29:40,120 --> 02:29:41,680
Speaker 1: playing for Aaron Ray is uh.

2738
02:29:46,760 --> 02:29:54,760
Speaker 2: Whom I heard all the names, you know, I know

2739
02:29:54,879 --> 02:29:55,360
Speaker 2: the names.

2740
02:29:55,879 --> 02:29:59,040
Speaker 1: I know all those names. You know, you know the

2741
02:29:59,160 --> 02:30:04,600
Speaker 1: group of Aaron Ray. I would can I get a

2742
02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:08,840
Speaker 1: little bit in death? I would want to get. I

2743
02:30:08,879 --> 02:30:15,320
Speaker 1: would go to get. I would find out what spend

2744
02:30:15,360 --> 02:30:18,200
Speaker 1: a month going to midnight musicals and I would get

2745
02:30:18,200 --> 02:30:20,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of young cats to play with them young cats,

2746
02:30:20,520 --> 02:30:24,720
Speaker 1: and I would take them, take them to a rehearsal place.

2747
02:30:24,760 --> 02:30:26,560
Speaker 1: And I was would we would? We would study the

2748
02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:30,080
Speaker 1: genuine tapes. We will study the genuine tapes. We will

2749
02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:33,320
Speaker 1: do these things. Because Aaron Ray needs a band that's

2750
02:30:33,440 --> 02:30:35,000
Speaker 1: he needs a different kind of He needs a band

2751
02:30:35,040 --> 02:30:37,000
Speaker 1: that's just like that band. But he needs one guy

2752
02:30:37,520 --> 02:30:40,240
Speaker 1: that's a jazzy, real piano guy. He's a jazzy guy

2753
02:30:40,280 --> 02:30:42,320
Speaker 1: because he likes jazz, but he needs that. He's an

2754
02:30:42,440 --> 02:30:44,800
Speaker 1: R and B guy. He in the gym right now.

2755
02:30:44,879 --> 02:30:47,200
Speaker 1: He like Baby Tank, he got the he doing it

2756
02:30:47,480 --> 02:30:49,680
Speaker 1: and he's serious about that. So he needs a band

2757
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:51,680
Speaker 1: that understands that show. The one thing about the genu

2758
02:30:51,720 --> 02:30:53,840
Speaker 1: Wine band, the music was a high level, but the

2759
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:57,280
Speaker 1: show was a high level. The backgrounds and you know

2760
02:30:57,400 --> 02:31:00,360
Speaker 1: geniu Wine, all these Genie Wine was the first singer

2761
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:02,560
Speaker 1: shout out to genu Wine too, and this this takes

2762
02:31:03,640 --> 02:31:07,959
Speaker 1: strength and courage to have the type of background singers

2763
02:31:08,040 --> 02:31:11,560
Speaker 1: genu Wine used to be. It takes courage even for

2764
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:13,600
Speaker 1: some of these bands to say they had Dave Polisher

2765
02:31:13,720 --> 02:31:17,800
Speaker 1: singing background. Yeah. Yeah, that takes a good person that's

2766
02:31:17,800 --> 02:31:20,720
Speaker 1: secure and his biceping. He used to dance all crazy,

2767
02:31:20,760 --> 02:31:23,080
Speaker 1: all kind of ship and he could sign don't get

2768
02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:27,360
Speaker 1: it fucked up. His thing is his thing. But Aaron

2769
02:31:27,440 --> 02:31:31,160
Speaker 1: Ray is like to me, because I've I've I've I've

2770
02:31:31,240 --> 02:31:33,040
Speaker 1: had Aaron with me in New York at the Blue Note.

2771
02:31:33,080 --> 02:31:35,880
Speaker 1: That's like the training ground. It's two sets tonight. But

2772
02:31:35,959 --> 02:31:38,480
Speaker 1: people that don't know you and I want to see

2773
02:31:38,520 --> 02:31:42,240
Speaker 1: and he bam. The musicians would be all young casts.

2774
02:31:42,320 --> 02:31:44,320
Speaker 1: But but I would I would go get knee signed,

2775
02:31:44,879 --> 02:31:47,720
Speaker 1: m M. The anchor, the anchor it that season, to

2776
02:31:47,800 --> 02:31:50,160
Speaker 1: anger that that new, to blend that, because Aaron Ray

2777
02:31:50,240 --> 02:31:55,600
Speaker 1: is that songwise, James Finload would write everything. You write everything,

2778
02:31:56,800 --> 02:32:01,480
Speaker 1: you right everything, He would write everything because I would

2779
02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:03,119
Speaker 1: have to treat this like a car wash a little

2780
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:06,200
Speaker 1: bit to really do it, in my opinion, to do

2781
02:32:06,320 --> 02:32:08,800
Speaker 1: it how I see it. Where it could be done

2782
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:11,360
Speaker 1: at this crazy level. I would get James farl Royd

2783
02:32:11,640 --> 02:32:18,200
Speaker 1: to write it to an R. The an R is

2784
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:20,120
Speaker 1: tricky because it's such a high level record. I would

2785
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:21,840
Speaker 1: have to go get Sycamore or somebody left to go

2786
02:32:21,959 --> 02:32:24,800
Speaker 1: an R. You know what I mean, A couple of

2787
02:32:24,840 --> 02:32:28,760
Speaker 1: an rs. I have to get after pay Tina Davis

2788
02:32:28,760 --> 02:32:31,360
Speaker 1: a consulting fee mm hmm, to figure out how to

2789
02:32:31,400 --> 02:32:33,119
Speaker 1: push this thing through. I mean it's a whole thing.

2790
02:32:33,560 --> 02:32:37,000
Speaker 1: M The publicism, now that's tricky. I love them all.

2791
02:32:39,400 --> 02:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Where we would cut the record, that would be larrybie Man.

2792
02:32:42,440 --> 02:32:47,000
Speaker 1: He would mix the record, yep. The musicians on the record.

2793
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,640
Speaker 1: We would do a blend because even with James writing it,

2794
02:32:49,640 --> 02:32:52,959
Speaker 1: I would still blend like I would randomly go get

2795
02:32:53,120 --> 02:33:03,600
Speaker 1: like a what does James sound like? With exkewoy Q

2796
02:33:03,800 --> 02:33:05,640
Speaker 1: writing and go get sew you to get like, what

2797
02:33:05,879 --> 02:33:07,320
Speaker 1: what does that sound like? Because I could put all

2798
02:33:07,320 --> 02:33:10,360
Speaker 1: of them in one wrong. I could do it. That's

2799
02:33:10,440 --> 02:33:13,360
Speaker 1: my thing is putting oil and water together making it smoke,

2800
02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:15,039
Speaker 1: you know. But that's what I would do with an

2801
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:18,640
Speaker 1: artist like Aaron Rakers because I feel as has everything

2802
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:21,160
Speaker 1: going for him. I feel he's such a different type

2803
02:33:21,160 --> 02:33:22,680
Speaker 1: of artists. He just needs to be surrounded with a

2804
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:25,360
Speaker 1: certain type of a thing, you know, because he does

2805
02:33:25,400 --> 02:33:27,360
Speaker 1: all the work himself, and he's a bad motherfucker. I

2806
02:33:27,440 --> 02:33:30,720
Speaker 1: don't need anyone, but I know with them type of artists,

2807
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:35,640
Speaker 1: those special ones. It's the reason why we all work

2808
02:33:35,720 --> 02:33:37,840
Speaker 1: for a reason. It's the reason why those names are

2809
02:33:37,879 --> 02:33:40,280
Speaker 1: the names we just. The only thing different I would

2810
02:33:40,280 --> 02:33:42,080
Speaker 1: do is involved the live band with the live young

2811
02:33:42,120 --> 02:33:45,280
Speaker 1: because I'm into young musicians. I love young energy.

2812
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:46,280
Speaker 2: You know.

2813
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:48,160
Speaker 1: I'll even deal with the show up later a few

2814
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:50,440
Speaker 1: times to the airport, something about the young musician. I

2815
02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:57,000
Speaker 1: get monsters, you know what I'm saying. Monsters, Hey man,

2816
02:33:57,080 --> 02:34:00,200
Speaker 1: I do a fire song album with you all ballt

2817
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:02,279
Speaker 1: us with strings though we'd have Derek God to the strings.

2818
02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:05,680
Speaker 1: We'd have Darrey do the strings, and it would be

2819
02:34:05,720 --> 02:34:08,320
Speaker 1: we would write the tunes kind of like jazz. Thenny

2820
02:34:08,400 --> 02:34:11,000
Speaker 1: but R and B. You know jazz. They go to

2821
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:14,440
Speaker 1: the bridge like, what's the cat? Everybody likes this cat.

2822
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm not man. I don't want to disrespect the white

2823
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:22,039
Speaker 1: guy Blue Black, Michael Blue. Yeah, everybody likes that guy.

2824
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:25,120
Speaker 1: That's like small world music to me. But everybody likes

2825
02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:28,520
Speaker 1: that thing. We don't have nobody in our world that's

2826
02:34:28,520 --> 02:34:31,640
Speaker 1: seeing that kind of music and attacking hearts. The queen

2827
02:34:32,480 --> 02:34:34,520
Speaker 1: some more joys doing it from a jazz perspector, But

2828
02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:36,440
Speaker 1: we don't have you. You you could bridge that man,

2829
02:34:36,440 --> 02:34:38,840
Speaker 1: because the piano with the strings, we don't do nothing

2830
02:34:38,920 --> 02:34:40,520
Speaker 1: up temple. If it's up temple, it's just a mid

2831
02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:43,760
Speaker 1: temple box and nova. It ain't nothing fast. It's just

2832
02:34:43,879 --> 02:34:45,600
Speaker 1: like it's when you do this. We going to the

2833
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Kennedy Center. We're going back to d C with the orchestra. Well,

2834
02:34:47,959 --> 02:34:49,560
Speaker 1: you know what happens when you say stuff on the

2835
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:55,320
Speaker 1: Army Money podcast. Binding I've been telling you. You know

2836
02:34:57,320 --> 02:34:59,680
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying it like you have to do it.

2837
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean when I was first hearing Tank around, you know,

2838
02:35:01,480 --> 02:35:05,640
Speaker 1: I used to be on Molly so much. Tank. Tank

2839
02:35:05,800 --> 02:35:07,840
Speaker 1: was another guy I would I would get starstruck four,

2840
02:35:07,920 --> 02:35:14,320
Speaker 1: but the Mollys too. I'd be like, hey, Tank. In

2841
02:35:14,440 --> 02:35:16,280
Speaker 1: my head, I had a whole talk with him, like

2842
02:35:16,600 --> 02:35:17,280
Speaker 1: I love the music.

2843
02:35:17,360 --> 02:35:17,480
Speaker 2: Man.

2844
02:35:17,560 --> 02:35:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta problem, era the problem.

2845
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:33,080
Speaker 2: The problem ah man, I liked everybody I shouldn't like.

2846
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:41,280
Speaker 1: Like everyone. That makes me a lover more of a lover. Yeah,

2847
02:35:41,320 --> 02:35:45,000
Speaker 1: I used to give good love speeches all night, seven hours.

2848
02:35:45,480 --> 02:35:49,080
Speaker 1: What talk to me? I used to accidentally confess the

2849
02:35:49,160 --> 02:35:51,640
Speaker 1: truth when I shouldn't have. Certain times, I've been there,

2850
02:35:52,040 --> 02:35:53,879
Speaker 1: Like i've been there, I've had to hear the truth.

2851
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:54,720
Speaker 1: Don't tell me that.

2852
02:35:55,520 --> 02:36:05,160
Speaker 4: Man, Here we go, ship, you got cham I ain't

2853
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:07,640
Speaker 4: saying no next day, I ain't saying no names.

2854
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:10,640
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no name.

2855
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:14,600
Speaker 2: He was what you need.

2856
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:28,520
Speaker 1: She ain't saying no. That's stupid. Yeah, come on now,

2857
02:36:29,120 --> 02:36:32,680
Speaker 1: come on you you're here. Now you're here. You really welcome.

2858
02:36:32,879 --> 02:36:34,680
Speaker 3: He said, you wanted to come on the podcast, come

2859
02:36:34,680 --> 02:36:38,240
Speaker 3: on there. So it's the moment I saw Punch. I

2860
02:36:38,320 --> 02:36:40,480
Speaker 3: saw I saw the story. Punch was clever with that.

2861
02:36:40,520 --> 02:36:42,520
Speaker 1: I like how Punch did it funny and fucked up

2862
02:36:43,440 --> 02:36:46,160
Speaker 1: a funny and fucked up. Maybe it was high. Maybe

2863
02:36:46,160 --> 02:36:51,280
Speaker 1: you wasn't. Maybe, Oh man, the only rule to the

2864
02:36:51,360 --> 02:36:54,640
Speaker 1: game is you can't say no name, not one. That's

2865
02:36:54,640 --> 02:37:06,800
Speaker 1: the only rule. Oh man. The year was two thousand fourteen.

2866
02:37:06,920 --> 02:37:09,400
Speaker 1: I like what I'm going. I love the year twenty fourteen.

2867
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:15,039
Speaker 1: I just got down with some very important records, very

2868
02:37:15,080 --> 02:37:17,840
Speaker 1: important records that helped. When I say important, I mean

2869
02:37:17,879 --> 02:37:20,640
Speaker 1: they helped people. They helped more than me, They helped

2870
02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:24,760
Speaker 1: the people, they helped the whole world. So I never

2871
02:37:24,840 --> 02:37:28,120
Speaker 1: go on to row. But being a producer, hustler, what

2872
02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:30,240
Speaker 1: you do you follow that record? The artis Wan't you

2873
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:31,480
Speaker 1: going to road for a couple of months? Why now

2874
02:37:31,600 --> 02:37:33,840
Speaker 1: let's go. We just got to know the album. Don't

2875
02:37:33,879 --> 02:37:35,800
Speaker 1: chip on a weekly money. I'll get you on that

2876
02:37:35,840 --> 02:37:39,000
Speaker 1: production agreement. Don I got you. Let's go. It's I

2877
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:42,879
Speaker 1: go on the road. Now. This is when I I've

2878
02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:45,680
Speaker 1: came to the realization at this age, I think I'm

2879
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:48,160
Speaker 1: like thirty six at this time or something like that.

2880
02:37:48,320 --> 02:37:50,160
Speaker 1: So this is the this is the run that made

2881
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:53,119
Speaker 1: me say, Okay, you can't hang with these young motherfuckers

2882
02:37:53,160 --> 02:37:55,080
Speaker 1: no more. It's you. You gotta hang with your world.

2883
02:37:55,240 --> 02:37:57,440
Speaker 1: This is different you used to be. This is different.

2884
02:38:00,280 --> 02:38:02,520
Speaker 1: So we're touring all over. The artist has a very

2885
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:05,720
Speaker 1: good record. It's going up, it's going big. It's not

2886
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:09,959
Speaker 1: Kenrick Lamoar. So it's not that kill Oh. I can't

2887
02:38:09,959 --> 02:38:12,440
Speaker 1: say nothing, but I gotta say that because I can't

2888
02:38:12,440 --> 02:38:15,160
Speaker 1: say that. So we're out of town. We go to

2889
02:38:15,240 --> 02:38:18,200
Speaker 1: New York. It's the artist first time sold. Our show

2890
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:20,879
Speaker 1: New York is cracking. Everybody's in New York. Everybody's coming

2891
02:38:20,920 --> 02:38:23,160
Speaker 1: to this show. I can't say no names, but a

2892
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:25,520
Speaker 1: lot of my guest list is very who's who in

2893
02:38:25,640 --> 02:38:28,400
Speaker 1: New York, like you know, and this is like early,

2894
02:38:28,720 --> 02:38:31,240
Speaker 1: This is like we we we're just about to start

2895
02:38:31,320 --> 02:38:34,400
Speaker 1: the run. So we already we already kicked them off,

2896
02:38:34,440 --> 02:38:35,960
Speaker 1: but we now we're about to start to run. So

2897
02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know, when when you're hot, everybody comes

2898
02:38:38,400 --> 02:38:41,520
Speaker 1: to the show. God guy, So everybody's coming to the show.

2899
02:38:41,560 --> 02:38:43,680
Speaker 1: We have a good time. This is another friend of

2900
02:38:43,720 --> 02:38:47,480
Speaker 1: mine that was involved and with this that was involved musically,

2901
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:56,800
Speaker 1: got in business with a friend of mine from Atlanta,

2902
02:38:57,920 --> 02:39:00,920
Speaker 1: got in business with a tequila company. Right, and everybody

2903
02:39:00,959 --> 02:39:05,040
Speaker 1: knows I drink tequila. I love tequila, right. I was

2904
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:06,920
Speaker 1: drinking a lot more in tequila than though. This is

2905
02:39:07,000 --> 02:39:09,840
Speaker 1: like when somebody said tequila was a guy that I

2906
02:39:09,920 --> 02:39:11,960
Speaker 1: started thinking of. At least I'm having ala veria in

2907
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:13,520
Speaker 1: my at at least I'm going through this whole thing.

2908
02:39:14,120 --> 02:39:16,440
Speaker 1: So it's a health benefit to tequila at least, you

2909
02:39:16,520 --> 02:39:22,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Liquor courage anyway, So he said, team, man,

2910
02:39:22,480 --> 02:39:25,400
Speaker 1: I know you try this. Man, it's try this all nice.

2911
02:39:25,400 --> 02:39:26,879
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna try it on stage. I'll said

2912
02:39:26,879 --> 02:39:29,600
Speaker 1: to Tequila about my keyboards. I'm playing and I'm not

2913
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:32,160
Speaker 1: it's smooth. I'm like, this is smooth. One of those

2914
02:39:32,200 --> 02:39:35,600
Speaker 1: expensive bottles, heavy bottles. So I'm like it gotta be good.

2915
02:39:36,600 --> 02:39:38,280
Speaker 1: So I'm just drinking until I'm seeing, you know, a

2916
02:39:38,360 --> 02:39:41,000
Speaker 1: little buzz. I'm cool chilling. Now it's the end of

2917
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:43,200
Speaker 1: the show. I didn't get too lifted, just coupled. But

2918
02:39:43,240 --> 02:39:47,040
Speaker 1: when we got back backstage, I started trying taking shots.

2919
02:39:47,080 --> 02:39:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm usually good at this time my life. To be

2920
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:51,920
Speaker 1: able to move and now have a hangover and get

2921
02:39:51,959 --> 02:39:54,360
Speaker 1: that car time and not say nothing out of pocket.

2922
02:39:54,800 --> 02:39:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm good. I'm like a seven to eight shot.

2923
02:39:57,840 --> 02:40:02,040
Speaker 1: Good dude right now with water consistent moving around the party.

2924
02:40:02,440 --> 02:40:04,800
Speaker 1: You feel me. I'm like, so, I'm but I got

2925
02:40:04,879 --> 02:40:09,880
Speaker 1: to my sixth shot and I was like, man, it

2926
02:40:09,959 --> 02:40:12,600
Speaker 1: used to be the show called your TV Rats with

2927
02:40:12,760 --> 02:40:14,640
Speaker 1: with with Doctor Dray and Ed Lover and aed love

2928
02:40:14,760 --> 02:40:17,720
Speaker 1: to do this dance like this, No, Chris, Now that's

2929
02:40:18,040 --> 02:40:20,920
Speaker 1: something holding the show. That's BT wrapped Chris the Mayor,

2930
02:40:21,560 --> 02:40:24,760
Speaker 1: the mayor on BT The mayor Sorry, sorry lover. The

2931
02:40:24,840 --> 02:40:27,160
Speaker 1: Mayor used to do this dance and all I remember

2932
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:31,440
Speaker 1: me for some reason, I'm sober, but my bodies start going.

2933
02:40:32,680 --> 02:40:34,959
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's going on? It's making me feel weird,

2934
02:40:35,040 --> 02:40:39,200
Speaker 1: like this liquor. So long story short, I don't remember

2935
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:41,600
Speaker 1: what happened. Right. I wake up in the morning. I

2936
02:40:41,720 --> 02:40:44,760
Speaker 1: met the w hotel in New York. I'm not gonna

2937
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:51,560
Speaker 1: say which one, but I woke up. I'm like, where's

2938
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:56,760
Speaker 1: my clothes? Why am I? Where am I clothes? Where

2939
02:40:56,760 --> 02:40:59,120
Speaker 1: am I? Where am I? Where are my clothes? No? No,

2940
02:40:59,520 --> 02:41:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Actually, I'm like, oh, I must have

2941
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:02,880
Speaker 1: got drunk and just took them off and got in

2942
02:41:02,920 --> 02:41:05,200
Speaker 1: a bed. So I got up and like, let me

2943
02:41:05,280 --> 02:41:09,520
Speaker 1: find my clothes, and I'm like, where's my saxophone. Where's

2944
02:41:09,560 --> 02:41:12,200
Speaker 1: my clothes? I see my saxophone neck in the mouthpiece.

2945
02:41:12,280 --> 02:41:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have no clothes, no clothes. I'm like,

2946
02:41:16,280 --> 02:41:22,920
Speaker 1: wear am my clothes? I'm like, I'm thinking. So I

2947
02:41:23,000 --> 02:41:24,920
Speaker 1: get a knock on the door by the artist I'm

2948
02:41:24,959 --> 02:41:27,640
Speaker 1: working with, and he brings me my clothes. He said, Hey,

2949
02:41:31,320 --> 02:41:36,000
Speaker 1: don't even worry about it. Take your clothes. So later

2950
02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:39,959
Speaker 1: I got dressed, I said, man, how'd you get my clothes? Bro?

2951
02:41:40,120 --> 02:41:42,000
Speaker 1: Was you in my room playing a game and stole

2952
02:41:42,040 --> 02:41:43,280
Speaker 1: my clothes? Well, how did you get my clothes? Bro?

2953
02:41:43,400 --> 02:41:50,600
Speaker 1: He said, I heard you banging on the door on

2954
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:53,200
Speaker 1: the tenth floor. Your room's on the fifth. You kept

2955
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:56,920
Speaker 1: saying you had to use the bathroom. I just looked

2956
02:41:56,920 --> 02:41:58,760
Speaker 1: at my people. I didn't come out, but I just

2957
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:03,200
Speaker 1: went back and you got naked in the hallway floor

2958
02:42:03,800 --> 02:42:06,400
Speaker 1: and start using the bathroom on somebody's door and walk

2959
02:42:06,440 --> 02:42:10,760
Speaker 1: to your room neckad. That's my story. And that's when

2960
02:42:10,760 --> 02:42:14,840
Speaker 1: I stopped drinking so much tequila. That much. Yeah, that happened.

2961
02:42:15,720 --> 02:42:18,039
Speaker 1: That's a real story. If you know, you know about

2962
02:42:18,040 --> 02:42:25,560
Speaker 1: that one to I'll tell you later. It's a different guy.

2963
02:42:27,080 --> 02:42:29,680
Speaker 1: The jazz. I'm always with the music, but I always

2964
02:42:29,800 --> 02:42:34,840
Speaker 1: liked having a good time. Respectfully, that is a good time, man.

2965
02:42:34,959 --> 02:42:43,280
Speaker 1: You just so you got on the elevator room. Oh no,

2966
02:42:44,680 --> 02:42:50,720
Speaker 1: was your like it? I must have still had my

2967
02:42:50,879 --> 02:42:53,120
Speaker 1: kids next with my keys.

2968
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:57,880
Speaker 2: There's so many questions, so many questions. That was that

2969
02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:01,440
Speaker 2: journey from the tenth floor to the it's gotta be

2970
02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:02,119
Speaker 2: a movie.

2971
02:43:01,959 --> 02:43:08,440
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, it's some more. It's some more. Somebody

2972
02:43:08,480 --> 02:43:11,199
Speaker 1: had to get a key for it. Some more. It's

2973
02:43:11,480 --> 02:43:13,039
Speaker 1: but that that that was, that was when I started

2974
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:17,480
Speaker 1: chilling out. That level of that level, that that was

2975
02:43:17,520 --> 02:43:19,320
Speaker 1: a real level. That was like, we're just I'm just

2976
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:22,320
Speaker 1: because that was when the body, the man's body starts

2977
02:43:22,360 --> 02:43:26,080
Speaker 1: taking change at thirty with the alcohol and everything. You know,

2978
02:43:26,120 --> 02:43:27,640
Speaker 1: all depends on how much you drink and how much

2979
02:43:27,680 --> 02:43:31,400
Speaker 1: you've been a part of this, wow, crazy business casually

2980
02:43:31,480 --> 02:43:33,760
Speaker 1: drinking for so many years. So thirty five is about

2981
02:43:33,800 --> 02:43:35,320
Speaker 1: that time. You're about to hit the forty soon. So

2982
02:43:35,520 --> 02:43:38,920
Speaker 1: everything is changing. So I didn't calculate I was ship

2983
02:43:39,040 --> 02:43:42,040
Speaker 1: was changing, Ship was changing. And now you know, I

2984
02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:43,680
Speaker 1: can still go, but I gotta do the I gotta

2985
02:43:43,720 --> 02:43:46,160
Speaker 1: do the water as I go. That means I'm not

2986
02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:49,600
Speaker 1: getting sucked up. I can't even think about it. Yeah,

2987
02:43:51,360 --> 02:43:54,040
Speaker 1: you don't know no more. I drink a little bit.

2988
02:43:56,040 --> 02:43:59,000
Speaker 1: I can't even think about it's over, run over, it's over.

2989
02:43:59,120 --> 02:44:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah for the turn I'm drinking. Let me tell you

2990
02:44:01,560 --> 02:44:04,120
Speaker 1: when I the last time I got I get drunk

2991
02:44:04,160 --> 02:44:06,360
Speaker 1: on accident. It happens because when you play at clubs

2992
02:44:06,400 --> 02:44:08,880
Speaker 1: and ship like that. Let mebody, you will drink And

2993
02:44:09,000 --> 02:44:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, why not what you're drinking? When they ask me,

2994
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm not the guy. I don't drink what you drink.

2995
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:18,080
Speaker 1: If you will buy me a drink, I'm like an

2996
02:44:18,080 --> 02:44:27,840
Speaker 1: expensive day top shelf. I'm looking up there since But nah, man,

2997
02:44:27,920 --> 02:44:31,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, man, the liquors start changing my body, the weed,

2998
02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:33,560
Speaker 1: everything start changing, man. And it comes from all of

2999
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:36,720
Speaker 1: us just changing. But the late nights in them studios.

3000
02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:38,920
Speaker 1: The amount of mental stress we deal with don't the

3001
02:44:38,959 --> 02:44:40,920
Speaker 1: amount of spiritual warfare we deal with. We deal with

3002
02:44:41,080 --> 02:44:43,720
Speaker 1: so much shit just to sing a fucking note to

3003
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:47,560
Speaker 1: pay some mortgage. It's crazy. It's crazy what we all deal.

3004
02:44:47,640 --> 02:44:50,160
Speaker 1: It's like it's the I mean, it's like war Bro.

3005
02:44:51,200 --> 02:44:53,760
Speaker 1: Like war Bro. We deal with so much weird ship

3006
02:44:54,120 --> 02:44:56,440
Speaker 1: and we just get through. It's like war the mind

3007
02:44:56,480 --> 02:44:58,320
Speaker 1: of all. It ain't just that. That's what I'll be

3008
02:44:58,320 --> 02:44:59,840
Speaker 1: trying to tell you young kids, Like, if you're gonna

3009
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:01,800
Speaker 1: do it, just you know, do it to it and

3010
02:45:01,959 --> 02:45:04,040
Speaker 1: don't believe in what Nicholas, what's that meaning? It's too

3011
02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:06,720
Speaker 1: good to be true. It's too good to be true

3012
02:45:08,600 --> 02:45:09,160
Speaker 1: that some of that.

3013
02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:13,400
Speaker 2: Yea brother, Terrence Martin, Man, we appreciate you. Come on,

3014
02:45:13,520 --> 02:45:16,760
Speaker 2: I appreciate you as a as a as a brother,

3015
02:45:17,440 --> 02:45:18,880
Speaker 2: as a as a man of a cloth.

3016
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:19,440
Speaker 1: Come on.

3017
02:45:21,680 --> 02:45:27,920
Speaker 2: As a purist, curator, super musician, and super producer. You

3018
02:45:28,040 --> 02:45:31,600
Speaker 2: do it all man, You check all the box. I'll

3019
02:45:31,600 --> 02:45:33,160
Speaker 2: take some taco. I'm with all that.

3020
02:45:33,440 --> 02:45:35,840
Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, Yeah, it is Tuesday. Y'all should come

3021
02:45:35,879 --> 02:45:38,320
Speaker 1: to my residency. I'm playing tonight at Verse. Have you

3022
02:45:38,400 --> 02:45:41,600
Speaker 1: been the Verse yet? That's Maddy's restaurant next door to

3023
02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Larry Bie. No, you've been, but you went on it

3024
02:45:46,600 --> 02:45:50,640
Speaker 1: as for an event, for a camper's events event, a

3025
02:45:50,680 --> 02:45:54,480
Speaker 1: wild night cameraman. That's it, like my but you gotta

3026
02:45:54,520 --> 02:45:57,120
Speaker 1: come one night tonight, tonight. Then I'm gonna take a

3027
02:45:57,120 --> 02:46:00,280
Speaker 1: break this moment. Pick it back time. We play six

3028
02:46:00,440 --> 02:46:02,640
Speaker 1: thirty for a couple hours, then we play against nine thirty.

3029
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:05,040
Speaker 1: That's the only local shit I do. Because we could

3030
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:07,680
Speaker 1: we curate them tables so we know who's in there.

3031
02:46:07,760 --> 02:46:10,520
Speaker 1: It's all like minded people. I'm on a whole mission

3032
02:46:10,600 --> 02:46:11,920
Speaker 1: right now, so you know how I'm doing. I tell

3033
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:13,400
Speaker 1: you you know I'm doing the table. It's a little

3034
02:46:13,400 --> 02:46:19,840
Speaker 1: different I'm a you. I'm with you. We appreciate you, brother.

3035
02:46:19,959 --> 02:46:22,039
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I appreciate you. Man. Let's say it. Man.

3036
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:24,920
Speaker 2: My name is Tank Valentine and this is the R

3037
02:46:24,920 --> 02:46:28,520
Speaker 2: and B Money Podcast, the authority on all things R

3038
02:46:28,560 --> 02:46:28,800
Speaker 2: and B.

3039
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:32,680
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yeah, that's real. Know your craft. You better

3040
02:46:32,720 --> 02:46:35,000
Speaker 1: tell you a story for the other people telling fuck

3041
02:46:35,040 --> 02:46:37,840
Speaker 1: it up. That's what this is doing. Giving people a shot.

3042
02:46:38,040 --> 02:46:40,039
Speaker 1: The fact that we could go see all these cats here,

3043
02:46:40,120 --> 02:46:43,240
Speaker 1: that that that y'all know who's who is black history. Man,

3044
02:46:43,360 --> 02:46:46,039
Speaker 1: people are going to this is a real fucking thing

3045
02:46:46,200 --> 02:46:49,920
Speaker 1: to record. This, to record history of giants that would

3046
02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:52,600
Speaker 1: have never got looked at, and that are giants like

3047
02:46:52,680 --> 02:46:55,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about a person named Warren k. We're talking

3048
02:46:55,400 --> 02:46:59,080
Speaker 1: about giants here that will never like giants. That's just

3049
02:46:59,160 --> 02:47:01,120
Speaker 1: as important to me as Duke Keellington. Man. So I

3050
02:47:01,240 --> 02:47:03,600
Speaker 1: love you guys for doing this show. I want to

3051
02:47:03,640 --> 02:47:05,040
Speaker 1: come on this shit a gang of times. I got

3052
02:47:05,160 --> 02:47:08,560
Speaker 1: so much to say, ladies. Terrence mart