Speaker 1: Derek Carr, free agent quarterback after nine seasons with the
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders, is expected to sign with the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. They are closing in on a deal. There
Speaker 1: can love bring outself for clap trading. He could full
Speaker 1: fat down touchdown Raider Derek Carr. Derek Carr for faction outtown,
Speaker 1: the middle front inside time, touchdown. I'm thankful for my
Speaker 1: time a couple time. Let's just signing with austiness time.
Speaker 1: Derek Hark Shine triggering, couldn't this comes car living had
Speaker 1: blow up Adams. It's open to a suite of the
Speaker 1: black goos Pholas Vegas, take it to Derek Carr. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be multiple years with the Saints for Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: So that is the committee got from them. Actually today
Speaker 1: heading to the Saint unbelievable. In a move that has
Speaker 1: sent shockways tremors an earthquake in our league, Derek Carr
Speaker 1: has signed with New Orleans Saints and a deal that
Speaker 1: appears to give car one hundred million guarantee. Turns out
Speaker 1: he did have a market and he is a rich man.
Speaker 1: Many many, many generations over, although you only get to
Speaker 1: live in one. Its great great grandkids. Great spot, but
Speaker 1: let's focus on the most important thing here, Mark, The
Speaker 1: odyssey of Derek Carr free agent is over, and the
Speaker 1: league has changed in a way that will never be
Speaker 1: able to look back and at this time again and
Speaker 1: think anything else but Derek Carr post Raiders now. See. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I applaud the appropriate pyrotechnics attached to that messages. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry we had that plan for months. The Derek Carr signing.
Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed it didn't happen on Sunday so
Speaker 1: he couldn't have seen Mark's reaction to the Derek Carr
Speaker 1: emergency podn No that I would say. Derek Carr wins
Speaker 1: me over with the timing, which which folded in perfectly
Speaker 1: to the start of our show. I know, Dan, you
Speaker 1: have some jet stuff involved here, but I really like
Speaker 1: the landing spot for Derek Carr. I think that if
Speaker 1: for anything, just to get off to a good start,
Speaker 1: when a team that always is going for it, is
Speaker 1: always aggressive, you're in a division that's very manageable. You
Speaker 1: go from the AFC West to a totally moribund NFC South,
Speaker 1: where I think the Saints are automatically the favor to
Speaker 1: win that division. No other team in the South really
Speaker 1: has a manageable cemented quarterback situation right now. Derek Cars
Speaker 1: automatically the best quarterback in the division. Y, I know
Speaker 1: you hate this move for the Saints. That's not truly that.
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. Well, I saw your tweet, and now,
Speaker 1: just what are they trying to do here? I think
Speaker 1: the Saints are very much trying to win nine to
Speaker 1: ten games, and that they're ceiling is low, and that
Speaker 1: they've been trying to do this, and that this group
Speaker 1: led by Dennis Allen, which I didn't think should get
Speaker 1: a second year, is just trying to save his job.
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis save his job, and Derek Carr is their
Speaker 1: best alternative to do that. So, like, if you're a
Speaker 1: Saints fan, I think you have a chance to go
Speaker 1: to the playoffs next year. They're probably a slight favorite
Speaker 1: in that division. So I don't hate it. It's just
Speaker 1: sort of like a franchise. I think that's not going
Speaker 1: anywhere in particular, and Derek Carr is the guy to
Speaker 1: bring him there. And Mike Garifolo broke the news. Mike
Speaker 1: garifolo Ian rapport has the numbers on it. One hundred
Speaker 1: million guaranteed money during his time with the Saints include
Speaker 1: sixty million. Do its signing the Saints or team perpetually
Speaker 1: with salary cappy shoes they always find away his average
Speaker 1: annual salary thirty seven point five million, good for ninth
Speaker 1: highest aa V among quarterbacks. Of course, there's some guys
Speaker 1: burrows like they're going to push him down. So this
Speaker 1: kind of for me makes sense contractually as a team match.
Speaker 1: It makes sense when you do a lot of the
Speaker 1: Even though you saw some reporting out there from certain
Speaker 1: insiders saying that Car was leaning towards the Jets and
Speaker 1: seemed like the most likely landing spot, it was the
Speaker 1: Saints who had engaged in trade talks or had met
Speaker 1: with Car when he was still a member of the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and so you knew there was obviously some connection there.
Speaker 1: And then it becomes the other side of it is like, yes,
Speaker 1: we know that the Jets had a very productive conversation.
Speaker 1: We heard all good things that came out of the
Speaker 1: Car Jets talks. And then you just wonder, Okay, now
Speaker 1: does this mean the Jets are getting Aaron Rodgers? Does
Speaker 1: this mean something else? Does this mean? And for me,
Speaker 1: as a Jets fan, and like I said, it always
Speaker 1: feels like you're Charlie Brown trying to kick the football
Speaker 1: that now that that safety net has gone, Car was
Speaker 1: the safety net in a lot of ways, and now
Speaker 1: it's Rogers or bust, and Rogers goes back to the Packers, retires,
Speaker 1: goes to a different team, Then what do the Jets do?
Speaker 1: So there is there's definitely some anxiety that comes with
Speaker 1: it from a New York perspective. But I thought Car
Speaker 1: would have been fine with the Jets. He would have
Speaker 1: been a big upgrade on what they had. Obviously. The
Speaker 1: question I have, Mark is like you do the ab
Speaker 1: test for instance, back to the Saints here ab test
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton who they had last year, and Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: Car is a better quarterback, but is he that much
Speaker 1: better given the mouth they just paid for him? It
Speaker 1: was this the move to make when you really strip
Speaker 1: away all the accoutrema and like, how much better did
Speaker 1: they actually get at the position today? I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how much well. I think what I was trying to
Speaker 1: say before is I like to fit for Derek Carr
Speaker 1: where he's going to. I think a team that is
Speaker 1: like trying to be ultra competitive year after year, and
Speaker 1: I think Mickey Loomis this is a win for him
Speaker 1: in terms of going and getting the guy he wanted.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I if I would ever review
Speaker 1: Derek Carr as a true difference maker. I think he
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say that he's gonna nine
Speaker 1: to ten win type of guy on a good roster
Speaker 1: around him. But I think that if you get the
Speaker 1: best version of Derek Carr, the Saints in the inter
Speaker 1: manageable NFC for a couple of years can do well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't hate it because the Saints
Speaker 1: are a team that has not drafted a first round
Speaker 1: quarterback since nineteen seventy one, which was Archie Manning. I
Speaker 1: don't like I'm not saying that's what they say. They
Speaker 1: were gonna take Patrick Mahomes if the Chiefs didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: sneak of, they very well might have, but they weren't.
Speaker 1: That wasn't probably gonna happen in this draft. So I
Speaker 1: think they went out and got the guy that they
Speaker 1: can plug in. Now. I do have questions about the
Speaker 1: fact that Dennis Allen is coaching the team. I do too.
Speaker 1: I think Dan's point about Dalton is a great one.
Speaker 1: I don't think quarterback was their issue last year. On
Speaker 1: one hand, you could look at it and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: Pete Carmichael, who wasn't that popular as a coordinator for
Speaker 1: the Saints last year, actually coached that Bandy Dalton to
Speaker 1: his highest PF grade for what it's worth of his career.
Speaker 1: He was the sixth highest graded PF quarterback in league.
Speaker 1: He was just above some of those peaks Cincinnati years.
Speaker 1: And I understand why he got that great partly because
Speaker 1: he didn't take chances and he made good decisions and
Speaker 1: he didn't he was accurate. And Derek Carr is a
Speaker 1: much higher ceiling better version of Andy Dalton. Kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of love that Andy Dalton brought back the
Speaker 1: integrity to the Dalton scale last year. Oh. I mean
Speaker 1: he kind of was a like he stepped in and
Speaker 1: he was a mid level quarter even through on that
Speaker 1: Thursday night disaster. Keep everything kind of balance the couple.
Speaker 1: There was a couple of spots where I got a
Speaker 1: little sideways, but one of one of my UH followers
Speaker 1: on Twitter said, maybe this is him passing the torch
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. All right, and I kind of like right,
Speaker 1: I kind of liked that too. That so maybe they
Speaker 1: can coach up Derek car to be a better version
Speaker 1: of Andy Dalton. But they have other issues on that
Speaker 1: roster that I'm concerned with. They need to stay healthier
Speaker 1: and that would help, and and have some weapons around
Speaker 1: Car that that would certainly help. But I'm not sure
Speaker 1: they're going to be a difference making defense. We'll see.
Speaker 1: I think it's a team that's that's aiming for that
Speaker 1: nine wins and they and they could do it well.
Speaker 1: I would say one thing for the Jets standing because
Speaker 1: I'd ask you, because I think the reason they do
Speaker 1: they probably they really liked Cards sounded like two. He
Speaker 1: was a safety net. But the whole Aaron Rodgers thing
Speaker 1: waiting for that to pan out, and then Car I
Speaker 1: thought managed this thing well because he went to the combine.
Speaker 1: He aggressively, you know, he wasn't placid and sat back.
Speaker 1: He wanted to find his next opportunity. You got one
Speaker 1: team saying we want you today. You got the Jets
Speaker 1: sort of telepathically saying we might want you if we
Speaker 1: don't get Aaron Rodgers. Okay, I say one thing before
Speaker 1: Dan's just I think that was true. From what I've heard,
Speaker 1: I think he did lean Jets, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why you see the money really go up that they
Speaker 1: the deal. To me, I still need to see more details,
Speaker 1: but I suspect it's ultimately like seventy for two years
Speaker 1: is really guaranteed. Ten of the third gets guarantee. It's
Speaker 1: really sixty for two years, and then ten of the
Speaker 1: third is guaranteed. And that's that makes more sense to me.
Speaker 1: And I think the Saint Tatta move up because I
Speaker 1: think he really did like the Jets better, but he
Speaker 1: also knew he didn't want to get caught waiting for
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers for a week. He has no idea, and
Speaker 1: so when they came up money wise, he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this makes sense, but only everything we know about Derek
Speaker 1: Carley seems to take things for you personally, and like,
Speaker 1: if you got a team out there saying we want
Speaker 1: you as our second best guy, like I think that
Speaker 1: would Leans really want you, And it's not a deal
Speaker 1: that we'll see what more about it that hamstrings them
Speaker 1: for half a decade. Yeah, And I think from a
Speaker 1: leverage standpoint, you could say, oh, why didn't if Carr
Speaker 1: wanted to go to the Jets. Why didn't he just
Speaker 1: wait for the Rogers thing to play out? And then
Speaker 1: if if Rogers didn't go to the Jets, sign with
Speaker 1: the team you like the most in this dance. But
Speaker 1: then you potentially lose some leverage there in terms of
Speaker 1: what the Saints are offering. And you got to be
Speaker 1: fair to the Saint. Yeah, yeah, you had to. He
Speaker 1: was put in a position where he didn't want to
Speaker 1: be left out and called himself and end up looking
Speaker 1: back and saying, I had this golden opportunity leverage wise
Speaker 1: as a free agent before everyone else was. I need
Speaker 1: to hit it in the right way, and I think
Speaker 1: he did so good job for Car. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: something out positive now now that I meant Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: I'll throw up Matthew Stafford, who was a very talented,
Speaker 1: you know, statistically successful quarterback with Detroit. Better player than Car,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think in the same ballpark. And
Speaker 1: once he went to a team that actually had a
Speaker 1: defense and had some pieces around him, they won a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in Los Angeles. The Saints are probably thinking,
Speaker 1: let's get this guy that we know is steady, and
Speaker 1: let's build up the roster around him, maybe you go
Speaker 1: that route. I don't hate it from that angle. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think that your your options were limited. If
Speaker 1: you were the Saints, You're not gonna get Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: They weren't going to get a less Robert Sala made
Speaker 1: a comparison to Matthew Stafford after meeting with Derek Carr. So,
Speaker 1: I think I think he'll be good, and I think
Speaker 1: he's in a dome, and I think he's not in
Speaker 1: the pressure cooker that is the New York market. I
Speaker 1: think I think this was a smart move by car
Speaker 1: And now we just need to see if this ends
Speaker 1: in I'm sure a lot of people will get there
Speaker 1: if it ends this way. With the Jets having egg
Speaker 1: on their face for not playing this the right way,
Speaker 1: they are now fully dependent in my mind in terms
Speaker 1: of this to be a slam dunk for them on
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, the guy that I was just shaky railing
Speaker 1: against last week for being a just a nonsense person
Speaker 1: at this point on some level like him now deciding
Speaker 1: a I'm leaving this team after eighteen years and I'm
Speaker 1: going to go to New York and need to be
Speaker 1: the messiah. But you know what, maybe he wouldn't, or
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson if something truly bizarre happened there, or Tannehill
Speaker 1: as a little bit of a backup. And I to
Speaker 1: your point about like car versus Dalton. That's why for
Speaker 1: the Jets to I think there's enough quarterbacks out there,
Speaker 1: even if you're taking a step down the level that
Speaker 1: there's not that huge of a different. I mean, hell,
Speaker 1: they might end up with Andy Daltons. I know Jets fans,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about myself. But if they end
Speaker 1: up with like a next lot, if they will probably
Speaker 1: won't be Teddy or whoever it is. It's like, is
Speaker 1: that a big enough difference that I'm gonna lose sleep
Speaker 1: if I was a Jets fan? Maybe, because this this
Speaker 1: does feel like a big, a bit of a window
Speaker 1: for the Jets to take advantage of these guys that there,
Speaker 1: these rookies. It would be I think if you ended
Speaker 1: up with Teddy Bridgewater or Gardner Minshew or insert uh
Speaker 1: you know mezzanine lodge loge guy here, it's like you're
Speaker 1: gonna be major, major lye bummed. Because we've spent the
Speaker 1: last month, six weeks talking about the Jets having a
Speaker 1: major upgraded quarterback. We'll see we gotta I mean, this
Speaker 1: stuff can go down while we're recording this. And I
Speaker 1: was actually just thinking that beautiful Derek Carr Instrow that
Speaker 1: justin put together on short notice people they I think
Speaker 1: of what happens if Aaron Rodgers makes his decision. Are
Speaker 1: we still going to have a minute reel of Derek
Speaker 1: deleting the show? I don't know. That's what social media
Speaker 1: is for. It can always just start on Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 1: Now my first thought, what you would that you had
Speaker 1: been cooking that up for a while with the idea
Speaker 1: that it was a Jets leading but then you had to,
Speaker 1: you know, switch we're doing a little for the science
Speaker 1: business put that together this morning. I always genuinely thought
Speaker 1: that car was a new is worthy, like even shorty episode,
Speaker 1: because it moves things in this very crazy story around
Speaker 1: the NFL and these veteran qbs. The Lamar thing is
Speaker 1: interesting too. It's still hanging out there, and like I
Speaker 1: said last week with the Jets, if this does go
Speaker 1: against them with Rogers, I think there's gonna be names
Speaker 1: that are not connected to and that they start kicking
Speaker 1: the tires on. Let's see what Tannel might be one
Speaker 1: of I mean, it wasn't that long ago when a
Speaker 1: guy like Kirk Cousins changing teams was rare, a guy
Speaker 1: in the middle of his career that's played at a
Speaker 1: high level and had big contracts, and that that's what
Speaker 1: Car is. Now we've seen it happen a few more times.
Speaker 1: One last detail do you want to give you? And
Speaker 1: that scenes offense could be interesting. Camary assume he's back.
Speaker 1: He might have a suspension coming. But I liked Joan
Speaker 1: He's definitely gonna have a suspension coming. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he and Olave. I'd like Rashid Shahid. I'd like Juwan
Speaker 1: Johnson Callaway's there is a four if you could draft someone.
Speaker 1: Maybe they try to work it out with Michael Thomas.
Speaker 1: I doubt that, but they're like one or two players
Speaker 1: away from interesting. I'm just not sure the defense holds up.
Speaker 1: One detail though, and this is from New Orleans Football
Speaker 1: dot Com New Orleans dot Football it's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a pay website by Nick Underhill, and I read.
Speaker 1: I read some of the details of how they courted
Speaker 1: Derek Carr and their first day ended with dinner at
Speaker 1: Ralph's on the Park in mid city in a private room.
Speaker 1: Very nice. But you might think, if you know New
Speaker 1: Orleans restaurants, well how about Galatoires, Emeralds, you know fancy,
Speaker 1: you know, like great New Orleans restaurant. This is a
Speaker 1: little more casual, nice place. They know Derek Carr is
Speaker 1: a T shirt and shorts guy. He was showing up
Speaker 1: to meetings last week with GMS at the Combine in
Speaker 1: a hoodie and shorts even though it's cold, like he's
Speaker 1: not he's not about that fancy life. And they knew
Speaker 1: that scouting report on car little more casual, plenty of
Speaker 1: great casual food places, right. They took him to a
Speaker 1: you know what they took him to I know exactly
Speaker 1: they took him. They took vendor out in the series.
Speaker 1: They took him to an Italian restaurant in a summit,
Speaker 1: New Jersey like kind of like, uh not, you don't
Speaker 1: have to wear a tie, but you should probably wear pants. Okay,
Speaker 1: so maybe that was the difference here. That's an annoying
Speaker 1: expense or point report At this point, do you have
Speaker 1: to file your probably five hundred dollar dinner with Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: who know will not be part of your team now?
Speaker 1: I mean, if they end up with the guy they
Speaker 1: actually want, I think they'll be cool that, but we
Speaker 1: shall see. And by the way, mentioned Matt Stafford, I
Speaker 1: know nobody's talking about it, but the Rams seem like
Speaker 1: they're changing direction. You're right, they probably wouldn't mind a
Speaker 1: you know, the thirteenth overall pick or whatever from the Jets.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's possibility. No reporting there, No, that
Speaker 1: is not a pell Raiser report. I'm just saying, are
Speaker 1: the Rams really still totally married to the thirty seven
Speaker 1: thirty eight year old? Is he that old um quarterback?
Speaker 1: When they are starting to go in a different direction? Organ,
Speaker 1: they don't seem married to anything right now? Turns oh yeah,
Speaker 1: just turned thirty five thirty March. How about that um?
Speaker 1: All right? By the way, from the Chris Westling podcast studio,
Speaker 1: this is around the NFL. Just got so excited. And
Speaker 1: by the way, that was sixteen hardcore Derek Carr minutes Mark.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good informative analysis driven hold on good.
Speaker 1: I know that this has been advertised that I was
Speaker 1: going to like lose my cool if we had to
Speaker 1: do a Derek car episode. All I was ever saying
Speaker 1: was that I was not going to sign up for
Speaker 1: a full offseason of Derek Carr turns tm X probably
Speaker 1: the Jets into a Super Bowl contender. He just he's
Speaker 1: he's a good quarter. But now that it's happened, that
Speaker 1: was all unfounded because nobody thinks that about the same.
Speaker 1: I was concerned that they would say that about the Jets,
Speaker 1: though the Jets are just this quarterbatter. I think they
Speaker 1: could have been. I think with Car, I think they
Speaker 1: had a chance in AFC. I mean, if your car,
Speaker 1: you have a much better chance to win the division
Speaker 1: you've just joined. So I like it again for a Car,
Speaker 1: I don't. We'll see what happens for the with the
Speaker 1: destiny of it all. And just condolences to Mike Garafolo
Speaker 1: out there. Great job, awesome job, big breaking story. He
Speaker 1: didn't have to bring it out. But this is what
Speaker 1: makes Greg greg one. You don't need to do this, he's, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not backing out. He I've done it before. You
Speaker 1: put the David car into Twitter and it's the breaking
Speaker 1: news report. You say David Carr by a mistake instead
Speaker 1: of Derek Carr. You can't delete that, and so you
Speaker 1: just get seventy five Jabroni's responding with about David carr
Speaker 1: Afemore put in like an edit button on the tweet.
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned that, Mike. I didn't know this,
Speaker 1: but you have to pay the eight dollars for Twitter
Speaker 1: blue for the edit function, and Mike said, now he's
Speaker 1: he's given that eight dollars up. Can let me just
Speaker 1: say I am I am not on board with many
Speaker 1: of the musk um ideologies and in general features. Now,
Speaker 1: I will say that the editing of a tweet could
Speaker 1: be dangerous in its own right. But if you're an
Speaker 1: insider for something like that, UM, I think rog upstairs
Speaker 1: and company should be just taking care of all of us.
Speaker 1: Just protect us, but not even us, Mike especially Sheet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whoever it may be, it's breaking up. I'm not paying
Speaker 1: us give him the edit, but I personally will not
Speaker 1: pay a cent to Elon Musk and his camp. Well,
Speaker 1: you have two tesla's though idea definitely do not all right.
Speaker 1: From the Chris Weston podcast studios around the NFL, Dan Hansis,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, The Combine wrapped up over the
Speaker 1: weekend from Indianapolis. We're gonna share some takes, some winners
Speaker 1: and losers from that particular event. But before we get
Speaker 1: to that, let's get caught up on the news from
Speaker 1: over the weekend and beyond. Travis Kelsey was on Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Live as the guest host this weekend from Studio
Speaker 1: eight h and I thought he did excellent. I was.
Speaker 1: I said it to my wife. We watched it on
Speaker 1: Sunday morning. I said it to my wife, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be bad. Uh. And it was not bad. Uh.
Speaker 1: There was some Q card reading, as is always the
Speaker 1: case even with you know, seasoned actors in the in
Speaker 1: the guest host role. But he does have natural charisma.
Speaker 1: He showed a sense of humor. Jason Kelsey popped up
Speaker 1: in a couple of sketches. I give it if you
Speaker 1: if you're ranking it from you know, from fran Tarkington, Uh,
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, Peyton? Who else has been on it? In
Speaker 1: the NFL? Joe Montana famously he was the first one. Okay,
Speaker 1: he was the first NFL player. Um he I would
Speaker 1: put Kelsey near the top, if not at the top.
Speaker 1: Peyton of course as well, did very well. Did you
Speaker 1: guys happen to catch it? I saw I watched a
Speaker 1: few skits and the monologue, and I would put him
Speaker 1: at the top. I'm not saying like the skits were
Speaker 1: all total genius and they me up, but he was
Speaker 1: better than some actors they throw in SNL who are
Speaker 1: just like dramatic actors and are stiff and can't do it.
Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked, like he was totally what.
Speaker 1: He was comfortable, like, he wasn't nervous at all. A
Speaker 1: good job. I'm able to watch it, but I am
Speaker 1: not surprised that like the NFL star player of today
Speaker 1: and of the future will continue to just get better
Speaker 1: and better at this kind of stuff than guys that
Speaker 1: had Joe Montana had actually a great skit back in
Speaker 1: the day, but you could tell Joe Montana had no
Speaker 1: idea what was going on around him, right, But yeah,
Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning wasn't really funny. He was actually he
Speaker 1: was just funny on the scale of athletes. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if Kelsey is necessarily funny, although he's funny
Speaker 1: in these skits, but as a performer, he was like
Speaker 1: good on a scale of performing, like that was a
Speaker 1: good job by him. I was much higher on a
Speaker 1: scale of athletes. I would put him number one of
Speaker 1: anyone I saw, just like, actually he could go do that.
Speaker 1: I think Peyton is legitimately talented in terms of this
Speaker 1: realm for where he is and because of that comfort
Speaker 1: in front of camera. And that's like, go watch the
Speaker 1: Michael Phelps uh snl Like some of these go really sideways.
Speaker 1: It's the guys that look comfortable. And it's not surprising
Speaker 1: that Kelsey to your point, athletes are kind of wired
Speaker 1: a little differently today and they have a brand and
Speaker 1: they do they go out of their way to be
Speaker 1: involved with other projects. And I think you see it
Speaker 1: with a guy like what if you can roll out
Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins out there a true a trained stage
Speaker 1: actor who you know, anything that has Kirk Cousins involved
Speaker 1: with it, Like Claybone audibly laughed when I said I
Speaker 1: was looking forward to seeing Kirk Cousins in this Netflix
Speaker 1: quarterback show. I want to know more about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: He would be terrible on snlum. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that sketch was Travis Kelsey sitting alone at a table
Speaker 1: at an American girl cafe with two little dolls. And
Speaker 1: I think he's like a pervert creep in the sketch.
Speaker 1: I liked that there was a lot of weird stuff
Speaker 1: going on, and that was one of the two sketches.
Speaker 1: I was, uh, let's pause right here before we get
Speaker 1: to the rest of the news and take a break.
Speaker 1: All right, we are back. Let's do some more news.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Rams. I mentioned it. He listen.
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is back. Sean mcvayh is back. But the
Speaker 1: Rams are going in a different direction, or they're changing
Speaker 1: gears at the very least. Let's go down a couple
Speaker 1: moves that they're either making or are planning or hoping
Speaker 1: to make. The Rams are expected to release Edge Russia
Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd, move that would clear some cap space. Floyd
Speaker 1: was a key member of their championship team. They also
Speaker 1: are looking to get rid of Alan Robinson off their
Speaker 1: roster after what was a bit of a disastrous one
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty two season for Allen Robinson, in which
Speaker 1: he came in with a ton of hype. We interviewed
Speaker 1: h remember we interviewed him a training camp and everything
Speaker 1: seemed to be hunky dory. But it was a really
Speaker 1: rough season for Robinson and they have given him permission
Speaker 1: to seek a trade Greggy with Robinson. Does this connect
Speaker 1: to the fact that it's not a great free agent
Speaker 1: market and the Ramsayn opportunity here to get rid of
Speaker 1: this guy and offload some of this money. I just
Speaker 1: don't think they want him on the team, and so yes,
Speaker 1: I think they're just hoping someone will pay let's say
Speaker 1: five million dollars of his fifteen million dollars. I mean
Speaker 1: they're they're taking the l. They're accepting the LL. He
Speaker 1: has fifteen million guaranteed. Did you say that, Heaton? That's
Speaker 1: crazy to me that he has fifteen million guaranteed and
Speaker 1: they're willing to It's crazy now, But remember last summer
Speaker 1: when almost everyone was universally of the opinion this is
Speaker 1: a perfect match, and I think it was a bad deal.
Speaker 1: I think it's crazy that they have fifteen guaranteed now
Speaker 1: and that they're just saying, we'll take the l. What's
Speaker 1: the best we can get. We know we're not really
Speaker 1: going to get a pick for him. We'll get like
Speaker 1: a late round pick, swap like a sixth for a seventh,
Speaker 1: just so it saves us money. And we're hoping you
Speaker 1: take let's say half of that money off the books,
Speaker 1: will take that as a win and we'll save some
Speaker 1: cap space. Yeah. I mean as of now, he's also
Speaker 1: got a twenty six million dollar price tag and deadcap money.
Speaker 1: So I think the Rams are that's exactly right. They
Speaker 1: got to move on from this. Jalen Ramsey is trade
Speaker 1: bait right now. It's like this team to me, like
Speaker 1: is basically doubling down on what happened last season in
Speaker 1: terms of the most disappointing follow up to the previous year.
Speaker 1: I mean they are this is Rams team looks entirely different.
Speaker 1: And you know, Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay a couple
Speaker 1: months ago, we want to do this together. I'm committed
Speaker 1: to Sean McVeagh. I want to stick around as quarterback.
Speaker 1: If you're Matthew Stafford and they have a lot of
Speaker 1: work to do on their offensive line, you're taking away
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson, who was a failure last year to begin with,
Speaker 1: and it looked like he didn't want to play in
Speaker 1: Chicago the year before that. I mean, the Rams are
Speaker 1: falling apart before your eyes. How do you sell this
Speaker 1: to Stafford? As hang around here? This makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense for you after any dangerously injury plagued twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. That's why they're a tough team to figure
Speaker 1: out and why I'm wondering if there's just more to
Speaker 1: come here about how they're gonna play their off season,
Speaker 1: Because yes, if Floyd's gone Robinson, if they dump him,
Speaker 1: and then Jalen Ramsey is just being traded, which sounds
Speaker 1: like it's going to happen. Wagner gun Wagner Gune recalled
Speaker 1: Wagner's gone. It's like, what are they What are they
Speaker 1: trying to do with this team? Um? Are they just
Speaker 1: looking to be competitive this year? Or are they going
Speaker 1: to do something more radical? We I think they're trying
Speaker 1: to take the pain now and set up for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. The Floyd moved surprised me more because he's
Speaker 1: had nine sacks in each of the last three years.
Speaker 1: You're still like a decent player. If they make him
Speaker 1: a post June first cut, they do open up fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space, They're they're in trouble cap
Speaker 1: space wise, And I'm trying to explain this. I told
Speaker 1: Alis about these moves on the way to school today.
Speaker 1: What's her head? She wasn't happy. She's like, I like
Speaker 1: Floyd Robinson with herself Robinson all season in the living room.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Robinson was a bottle. She also took him
Speaker 1: on her fantasy team, so that was a disaster. Yeah, Wagner,
Speaker 1: she just couldn't understand Wagner and like, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like explain, well, they're like there's a salary cap and
Speaker 1: like if you're trying to set up maybe for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four and trying to explain this to like She's like,
Speaker 1: but that was like he was one of their better plays.
Speaker 1: There's not really a good answer for it. And then
Speaker 1: the heartbreaking moment was well, as long as they're not
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of Jalen Ramsey And I was like,
Speaker 1: well that, um, I mean she has that happen. She
Speaker 1: is the same sort of pressing questions that any guy
Speaker 1: in a tavern. That's what I mean. It's like there
Speaker 1: actually isn't a real explanation, a real explanation that like
Speaker 1: makes it easier, Um, I just indulge me. So if there,
Speaker 1: if this is kind of like a reset year, does
Speaker 1: that mean they're expecting to be back and ready to
Speaker 1: contend as soon as next season? In which case, okay,
Speaker 1: then Matthew Stafford at age thirty six. Okay, you can
Speaker 1: talk yourself into if his body holds up, Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: you probably you know, he'll probably retire before you even
Speaker 1: entertain the idea of answering a phone call about him.
Speaker 1: I just seems a little bit like I think it's
Speaker 1: everything's feels malleable, where I think a couple of months
Speaker 1: ago it is like, of course, Matthew Stafford's coming back.
Speaker 1: I still feel, of course, But I think that's more
Speaker 1: of just a personal thing that I just don't think
Speaker 1: he'd want to and I think they feel like they
Speaker 1: owe it to him. He's a super Bowl winning quarterback.
Speaker 1: And also the financials of it are seemingly impossible to
Speaker 1: get rid of him, just the way they signed his country.
Speaker 1: I guess you could always rework it if he was
Speaker 1: really willing. I mean, like the cap hit on a
Speaker 1: trade would be would end their lives. They couldn't eat,
Speaker 1: they would have to change everything around. I think he's there.
Speaker 1: I struggle with the they owe it to him angle,
Speaker 1: where they're taking their biggest names and throwing them into
Speaker 1: the mist. Right, what are they owing him like that?
Speaker 1: In their mind, they're probably like if we get lean
Speaker 1: and mean. Can we still be competitive, lean and mean
Speaker 1: this year without these guys like they probably think they
Speaker 1: can be, and then they're setting up to be they
Speaker 1: played last year without half these guys to begin with,
Speaker 1: I mean trade Stafford and signed Gino. Let's just get crazy,
Speaker 1: all right. Um. Josh Jacobs, the Raider they made, you
Speaker 1: can't kind of spin it any other way. A financial
Speaker 1: mistake when they chose not to pick up his rookie
Speaker 1: fifth year option, because now they've put the tag on him,
Speaker 1: which is worth more money than what his final rookie
Speaker 1: year deal would have been. So Josh Jacobs coming off
Speaker 1: a year in which he led the league in rushing,
Speaker 1: it was just a stud all season long back with
Speaker 1: the Raiders on at least a one year deal. See
Speaker 1: if they get anything done before the deadline. Also, Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: running back for the Cowboys, who had a breakout season
Speaker 1: last year, unfortunately suffered that leg injury in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but he will be tagged as well. We'll see if
Speaker 1: that leads to anything. And that includes Zeke Elliott maybe
Speaker 1: disappearing into the mist himself in Dallas. So the franchise
Speaker 1: tag deadline is on Tuesday. So this is really the
Speaker 1: last opportunity now for these teams to get their house
Speaker 1: in order. On this front. Running backs really get boned
Speaker 1: financially compared to other positions. It's not a breaking news,
Speaker 1: but the tag is kind of part of it. Like
Speaker 1: you can look at a guy like Jacobs, because I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about this when you think about bees On Robinson
Speaker 1: and the upcoming draft classes, like you can get him
Speaker 1: for five years including the fifth year option if and
Speaker 1: then you get him on the tag. The tag this
Speaker 1: year is only ten million dollars for running back, So
Speaker 1: a one year ten million dollars to me, that's not
Speaker 1: much money that because you're not paying it into the
Speaker 1: future for all these other positions. It's like guaranteed, you
Speaker 1: just get him for one more year. At ten, you're
Speaker 1: getting the very best of Josh Jacobs, You're getting hopefully
Speaker 1: the best of Pollard and then you say goodbye. You
Speaker 1: kind of get the best years of their lives in
Speaker 1: the first five or six years of their career and
Speaker 1: they don't ever get that long term. But I think
Speaker 1: it's it's if you're the Raiders or if you're a
Speaker 1: Raiders fan, before you hand big money to Josh Jacobs, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, he's been hot and cold his whole career.
Speaker 1: He was all hot last season, but is that who
Speaker 1: he is for the next three four years? Like I'd
Speaker 1: much rather tag him. If I were the Raiders where
Speaker 1: you sitting in the draft, you could take be John
Speaker 1: Robinson who is getting camp to like Ladany and Tomlinson.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this is I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do it, eliminate that for the road. They're not
Speaker 1: going to do it because I think they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go quarterback becaus at the situation they put themselves in.
Speaker 1: But I don't mind getting Josh Jacobs for a one
Speaker 1: more year, find out who he really is, and then
Speaker 1: go from there. Your eyes really raised when I said
Speaker 1: this is a good number. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: a good number for Tony. I'm looking at the history
Speaker 1: of the recent history of the franchise tag it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be a surprise. Besides kickers and punters running back as
Speaker 1: the lowest number at ten million, this year, tight end
Speaker 1: is absurd four years ago. And keep in mind the
Speaker 1: salary cap has gone up substantially. People are getting more
Speaker 1: money than ever before. The salary cap or the franchise
Speaker 1: tag for running back in twenty nineteen was eleven point two,
Speaker 1: so it's gone down. It is up slightly from the
Speaker 1: year before when it was nine point six. But yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the what is the fifth year rookie contract?
Speaker 1: What did he what did they pass on giving him?
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been much more, I don't think, because
Speaker 1: he was a late round pick, but I can find
Speaker 1: that out here, I do. I chalked it up to
Speaker 1: regime change, like they came in and weren't totally sold
Speaker 1: on the idea, because right I'm almost a little surprised
Speaker 1: they kept them. But then I looked they have more
Speaker 1: cap space than they really They're one of those teams
Speaker 1: that more cap space than they really need need, So
Speaker 1: I guess why not? All right? I do like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys need weapons, and I think Jerry Jones has been
Speaker 1: talking about it the combine. I think they're going to
Speaker 1: be aggressive. I don't know how exactly, but maybe in
Speaker 1: the trade they could be one of those teams in
Speaker 1: the trade market. So letting Pollard go to me it
Speaker 1: would have been a mist When Jerry Jones has specifically
Speaker 1: mentioned Odell Beckham again still interested and They've been named
Speaker 1: as a target for Jalen Ramsey as well. Getting Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham and expecting that to be what put your offense
Speaker 1: over the top feels like a very very Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: team hasn't appeared in the NFC title game in twenty
Speaker 1: seven straight years type of you to make. At this point,
Speaker 1: Jacobs would have gotten eight million on the fifth year option,
Speaker 1: so they only ended up paying two more that Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones decision to not give him the fifth year option
Speaker 1: proved more costly. And yet I can't bang on them
Speaker 1: at all about it because it made sense at the
Speaker 1: time and sense. No, we're not really talking about Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones right now, but I feel what I feel totally
Speaker 1: comfortable if I'm a Giants fan how they're playing this,
Speaker 1: because like, don't don't back down here, Make him do
Speaker 1: it over a full season before you give him a
Speaker 1: Derek Carr's contract. Um, he's actually asking for more than
Speaker 1: car reported all right, notable cuts, the Vikings uh cut,
Speaker 1: leading tackler or Kendricks. He hits the UM free agency
Speaker 1: list where he comes in at number for Greg He
Speaker 1: did not crack the one thinking after hearing some feedback
Speaker 1: that you know last year was a new scheme some
Speaker 1: of these linebackers that they aged to bounce back. But
Speaker 1: you I was a little worried as just like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's the decline. You don't want to pay an older linebacker.
Speaker 1: The Jagures will either cut or trade Shack Griffin and
Speaker 1: the Titans say goodbye to Bud do Pre And speaking
Speaker 1: of the Titans, will bring in the grave digger on
Speaker 1: this one. Um Mike Silver or former colleague here at
Speaker 1: n Media reports that Derrick Henry is indeed being shopped
Speaker 1: by the Titans, And uh, you know Silver has connections
Speaker 1: and this all makes sense to me. It's two words.
Speaker 1: The analysis e gone, what do you think justin sense
Speaker 1: for him to be on that team at this point
Speaker 1: to me? But what do you think justin I agree,
Speaker 1: I think the Titans are in a spot where they
Speaker 1: need to plan for twenty twenty four. This team's not
Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl in twenty twenty three. Get what
Speaker 1: you can now for Derrick Henry while he still has
Speaker 1: trade value. There's also talk that the Titans have called
Speaker 1: the Bears to see what the cost would be to
Speaker 1: move up to number one. That would be a little
Speaker 1: crazy to me because again, you're not in a position
Speaker 1: to win now, Well that makes more sense then. To me,
Speaker 1: that makes sense because I mentioned the Cardinals would be
Speaker 1: my pick to have the worst roster in the league.
Speaker 1: If the Titans get rid of Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill,
Speaker 1: they're right, They're right there. Yeah, definitely, And Tannehill to
Speaker 1: the Jets seems I mean this has been like there
Speaker 1: have been rumblings about that potential connection for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks now, even though the Jets have been more
Speaker 1: linked to Rogers and car until today. But I mean
Speaker 1: that seems like a pretty realistic possibility. The Titans want
Speaker 1: to go the full rebuild route. Trade Tannehill, use those
Speaker 1: picks to come up to number one, get your quarterback,
Speaker 1: use the rest of the picks you got from Tannehill,
Speaker 1: or whatever. Build. I mean, they sill only build an
Speaker 1: offensive line, So to me, bringing in a rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: behind what they have right now could be problematic for
Speaker 1: development sake. But I definitely think Henry is a potential
Speaker 1: trade candidate. Depends like what is it worth to them
Speaker 1: to trade him? Like, are you trading him for like
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick? Is that worth it? I would
Speaker 1: think he what makes him very compelling if as a
Speaker 1: piece to move is I think he would have much
Speaker 1: more value than a typical veteran running back. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying first round pick, but could you get a second
Speaker 1: rounder from a team A content obviously why bother? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna if you're trading Derek Henry. I think
Speaker 1: you're a Bills type team, You're a Cowboys type team.
Speaker 1: You're insert playoff team that didn't get over the hub
Speaker 1: that's looking for a final piece. He's not gonna get
Speaker 1: traded to a bad team. So like that, let's say
Speaker 1: then it's probably maybe a late second rounder. Would you
Speaker 1: be okay with that? As a Titans fan, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's fair compensation for a running back approaching age thirty.
Speaker 1: I would be okay with it. I think Titans fans
Speaker 1: might go crazy because of a J. Brown last year
Speaker 1: and Nick Derrick Henry this here. It's like, oh, the
Speaker 1: two best players on offense. The franchise stinks, but it's true.
Speaker 1: What is two years in a row? You make that
Speaker 1: trade of the Eagles. Can you imagine Derrick Henry and
Speaker 1: the Eagles backfield with Jalen Hurts. That would be fun.
Speaker 1: That would be now Justin's eyebrows or the Bills, though
Speaker 1: the Bills would be looking to move on Cowboys Singletary.
Speaker 1: Cowboys would have a lot of money tied up with
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard and Derrick Henry together. But like, Henry is
Speaker 1: never on my team, He's never been the pass catching guy.
Speaker 1: Pairing him with Tony Pollard could be an Really what
Speaker 1: is in the backfield? What did Daddy just say last week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to run the ball. I don't like having
Speaker 1: a offense. I want to have a running ball. I
Speaker 1: like this guy, he's a really great runner. Run. I
Speaker 1: Fin'm Mike McCarthy and I'm selling this Zaddie energy. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be standing next to Derrick Henry too much. Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: who we met on He's from another planet. He literally
Speaker 1: loves There's no there's only one type of body that
Speaker 1: would be something that people got very I'm also we're
Speaker 1: at odds with this. I've never seen Mike McCarthy as
Speaker 1: a zaddie you have. We have different philosophies about it.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to let it. I'm just saying having masculine
Speaker 1: curves isn't something that's a turn off to everyone. I
Speaker 1: think it's fine to be people like you can be curvy.
Speaker 1: I get under a blanket and get a little big
Speaker 1: spoon action. Yeah, but you're assuming that my only not
Speaker 1: is curvy nous. It's curvyness is one of the twelve
Speaker 1: things shaming. Mike McCarthy. I am not I am zad
Speaker 1: I'm saying he does not fit the Zaddie profile that
Speaker 1: I think of when I think of as a Zaddie
Speaker 1: on any level. I spoke for myself, right, But you
Speaker 1: didn't say it. You said it as a matter of fact.
Speaker 1: I think only that I think. I think ninety nine
Speaker 1: point nine percent of humans standing next to Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: would look lesser because of that. Like Derrick Henry, I'm
Speaker 1: more compliment being that famous Dion Lewis picture where he
Speaker 1: kind of looked like a munchkin. He's got a great
Speaker 1: bodyk Henry. That's all I was trying to say. I
Speaker 1: have a conspiracy theory about your Titans. Though they got
Speaker 1: that stadium deal done last October, like locked up all that,
Speaker 1: that's not it. It's more that we're not going to
Speaker 1: bottom out and and stink and get rid of all
Speaker 1: of our good players. If we didn't already have that
Speaker 1: sweet uh money coming in and the stadium deal done,
Speaker 1: because that's a big deal. Like it's asking a lot
Speaker 1: for your fans to go through what the Titans appear
Speaker 1: to be headed towards. They do have the eleventh pick overall,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have to go up to number one.
Speaker 1: This is a class with at least two quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: think people are really intrigued by, if not three, if
Speaker 1: maybe four, Right, if not four, maybe maybe they just
Speaker 1: end up going up to five or whatever it is
Speaker 1: and they get their quarter Because Mike Rabels never started
Speaker 1: over from scratch at quarterback. He's just been taking other guys, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, never had his own rookie. It's about a
Speaker 1: year ago that Greg when utterly nuts on like the
Speaker 1: Bills stadium situation, telling telling you and I either like
Speaker 1: you know this is this is about people's real jobbos
Speaker 1: that whole situation. Greg, you were like deep in the
Speaker 1: weeds on the funding for the well yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: civic shaming, Dan and I well, I just mean these
Speaker 1: billionaires were civic minded enough. We're seeing it with the commanders.
Speaker 1: You can you can literally be the worst owner in
Speaker 1: in one of in the history of the sport up there,
Speaker 1: and then you can sell the team for like six
Speaker 1: billion dollars, So I don't need you to be uh
Speaker 1: taking money out of Peter and in Mary's mouth to
Speaker 1: make a stadium figure. Mary what Rob Paul. No, you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, Greg, and you are a champion of the
Speaker 1: common man. You've proven it with this take, and you
Speaker 1: reservice it was a powerful yeah wind mill dunk, just
Speaker 1: as powerful your right on behalf of the common man.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's obvious. I side with the billionaires,
Speaker 1: take advantage of the city, take your leverage and make
Speaker 1: me and all my friends are jerks. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's take a break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: All right. I think that covers it. That's what's happening
Speaker 1: in the news before we move on. I really hope
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers doesn't make even if even if it's the Jets,
Speaker 1: I'll still be annoyed because it will put us in
Speaker 1: a very difficult position with our Derek Carr. Open. If
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers makes a decision today before this show goes
Speaker 1: live and we have to do surgery, no think about
Speaker 1: us for once. Please I can't. I can only think
Speaker 1: about Derek Carr. Get finish this show. Let's get it out,
Speaker 1: get it out, and then if the Rodgers news happens,
Speaker 1: we're doubling up, doubling up, double header at m double header.
Speaker 1: How about that? Mark? So if I'm you know, driving
Speaker 1: around LA, I have to cycle back to the office
Speaker 1: to do an episode here. That's I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: a gargantuan story in the NFL. We might we might
Speaker 1: have to be here, might be remote. Yeah, right, find
Speaker 1: out where I am at that point. We'll see that
Speaker 1: garage set up. You know, I might be with you
Speaker 1: in your garage at that point. Uh, let's talk about
Speaker 1: the combine. Let's put a put a bow on that
Speaker 1: um in Indianapolis, some winners and losers. I um. I
Speaker 1: was on the thread the text thrend with Mark Edward
Speaker 1: Sessler and Greg Peter Peter come enhal out Peter Stewart.
Speaker 1: That's my brother's name. I don't know how you pulled
Speaker 1: that out, because I think I did mention he went
Speaker 1: by Greg Michael Rosenthal, very very traditional, very nice. I
Speaker 1: like it. H is it well? Greg's traditional non traditional spelling?
Speaker 1: Is Michael have a different spelling now, Mike k e No,
Speaker 1: Michael is spelled as you would expect anyway. On the
Speaker 1: text thread, Mark doubled down and was saying how much
Speaker 1: he was into the draft this year. So you have
Speaker 1: a number of winners and losers, and Greg, I want
Speaker 1: you to dive in on this as well and share
Speaker 1: things that really jumped out to you. Who were the winners?
Speaker 1: Who were the losers? You just raised your eyebrows. Now, Greg,
Speaker 1: do you not have winners and losers? No? I do? Okay, good?
Speaker 1: Good Mark? What jumped out to you a winner from
Speaker 1: the combine? Well, I'd start with the quarterbacks with Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I think that if you I don't
Speaker 1: know if quarterbacks in the combine, whether you throw or
Speaker 1: you don't, are going to really change your destiny that much.
Speaker 1: I would be concerned if teams were wowed by that alone.
Speaker 1: But the workout of Anthony Richardson, I thought it was
Speaker 1: well illustrated by what NFL research put out. Is a
Speaker 1: tweet that shows how unusually is He is six four
Speaker 1: and a quarter inches, which is taller than George Kittle
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. He weighs more than Hassan Reddick. He
Speaker 1: has bigger hands than DeAndre Hopkins, a higher vertical jump
Speaker 1: than Davante Adams, and a longer broad jump than Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: I mean he really essentially worked out as a star
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's also as a quarterback, though I think
Speaker 1: you have to realize, like there's obviously the project aspect
Speaker 1: to him. His completion percentage is about as low as
Speaker 1: possible for anyone who would be drafted. It was under
Speaker 1: fifty five percent. He's only started thirteen games, But I
Speaker 1: think from the physical angle, when you watch his tape,
Speaker 1: it's like, wait a minute, someone is going to be
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinated with the idea of turning him into what
Speaker 1: he could be. Yeah, I'm looking forward to dive in
Speaker 1: more to his tape, but from what I've watched, like
Speaker 1: if you compare him to previous prospects and think about
Speaker 1: who he's closest to, those guys went high, Like, I
Speaker 1: think his profile is better or similar to Trey Lance's.
Speaker 1: I think his profile is very similar to Josh Allen's,
Speaker 1: but it was in a s see offense. I think
Speaker 1: he's not as limited in terms of like the type
Speaker 1: of quarterback trying to stay in the pocket as people
Speaker 1: are making out to be. And the numbers are just outrageous.
Speaker 1: There there there Josh Allen freak, Cam Newton freak, except
Speaker 1: even faster somehow numbers and you look at like how
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts was able to develop who you know, you
Speaker 1: would think Richardson can be that sort of runner, and
Speaker 1: you can just imagine a team wanting to take him.
Speaker 1: And I know Lance brought up Malik Willis. It's like,
Speaker 1: there's no way that Malik Willis would have even though
Speaker 1: he got pushed up in by the mock drafters, if
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson was in that last draft, I still think
Speaker 1: he would have been the first He would have been
Speaker 1: the first one taken there. They were very different prospects
Speaker 1: to me, and so to be off the charts this athletic.
Speaker 1: He still might be the third quarterback in this draft
Speaker 1: behind Bryce Young and c J. Stroud, But it's just
Speaker 1: hard for me to think that he's gonna slip past
Speaker 1: the top ten and so he's gonna be a big story.
Speaker 1: You never know, he might he might sneak in front
Speaker 1: of one of those two quess He is a huge, huge,
Speaker 1: huge gamble for obvious reasons. That you guys just brought
Speaker 1: up and you know Lance who knows this stuff, and
Speaker 1: he said, you know, he's a He cited him. He's
Speaker 1: the first name that Lance said, Like, he's gonna come
Speaker 1: out of this and people are going to be in
Speaker 1: love because he's so athletic. But then the people that
Speaker 1: are that are connecting him to Josh Allen, Josh Allen's
Speaker 1: a unicorn. Like it's very rare to see a guy
Speaker 1: be a scattershot, big athletic passer with accuracy issues, clean
Speaker 1: that up and become a plus actor. He wasn't accurate
Speaker 1: on Saturday, by the way, either. He missed throws on
Speaker 1: the field. Like if if you draft him, you have
Speaker 1: to prepare for like two potentially very different outcomes here.
Speaker 1: And he I think he referred to himself as a
Speaker 1: Lamar Newton when people are asking Richardson to comp himself
Speaker 1: favorite player, right, he used to be ten years ago
Speaker 1: when we were doing this, people would say, Michael Vick.
Speaker 1: Now when that hyper athletic, it's a Cam Newton type
Speaker 1: of Lamar type. Yes, Grave I think he actually said
Speaker 1: he was Cam Jackson Jackson. He was fascinating with Newton
Speaker 1: because Lamar it's a named pops, I would have went
Speaker 1: lamar nude. But there is to your point about I mean,
Speaker 1: wearing wind up is all over the map because only
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, Christian Hackenburg and Trace McSorley were selected in
Speaker 1: the draft with lower completion percentage than him at at
Speaker 1: the college level. Trey Lance also, but you know he
Speaker 1: that was because of a Corona altered season. But I
Speaker 1: guess you're hoping, oh, what happened to Josh Allen with
Speaker 1: his completion percentage, with his accuracy over a couple of seasons,
Speaker 1: you duplicate with this, But Josh, because they're the similar size,
Speaker 1: and that's an outlier that you can do that with
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You're going to improve, no doubt. But like
Speaker 1: that also came with a Bills team that was blessed
Speaker 1: with Brian Dable working with Josh Allen. Like, the team
Speaker 1: that takes them better have the right guys around to
Speaker 1: develop them quickly, because you're gonna want to. No fan
Speaker 1: base is gonna sit there in a losing situation with
Speaker 1: this player on the bench. See it seems like um
Speaker 1: like a guy will talk about plenty. I feel like CJ.
Speaker 1: Sprit Stroud's gotten weirdly lost than this shuffle here and
Speaker 1: then d Jay saying that's one of the best just
Speaker 1: throwing performances he's ever seen at the Combine. And you
Speaker 1: watch him and he's like just like deadly accurate, and
Speaker 1: that reminds me a little bit of Baker Mayfield. But
Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, in a good way and
Speaker 1: in a bad way that like Baker, who is incredibly accurate.
Speaker 1: But I think CJ. Stroud definitely has a better reputation
Speaker 1: for the way he can see the field and manage
Speaker 1: the game. It's funny to see like quarterbacks come out
Speaker 1: now and like they're facing criticism that he didn't run enough,
Speaker 1: and like we'll see he didn't really run there at
Speaker 1: the Combine either, but he had some moments in the
Speaker 1: in the National semifinals. But like just the way he
Speaker 1: spins it, I mean, I think you would feel really
Speaker 1: good if he ends up, if your team gets him,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like it's a total lock that
Speaker 1: we know who's gonna go one and two. We kind
Speaker 1: of know that the Bears are trading this pick. At
Speaker 1: this point, Pulse has essentially said Fields is our guy
Speaker 1: all but said that, and that we're likely to trade
Speaker 1: the pick, and who knows. It sounds like some teams
Speaker 1: will like Stroud better than Bryce Young, who measured in
Speaker 1: at five ten, because strouds just like a little more typical.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's not, like, I don't know, like one
Speaker 1: of the great quarterback prospects of the last five years.
Speaker 1: But he's a guy who I think would probably go
Speaker 1: in the top five every year. It's not like he's
Speaker 1: a weird prospect that's getting pushed up. He was, by
Speaker 1: the way, Bryson was barely five ten. Yeah, now that's
Speaker 1: something Lance kind of tamped that down a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's like they could structure all that and help him
Speaker 1: with those things, but that is not He can like
Speaker 1: process on the field like Patrick Mahomes in chaos and
Speaker 1: that he's probably tougher to catch than Kyler Murray. So
Speaker 1: you know, he's armed with gifts that can you know,
Speaker 1: fend off some of the size concern. But I think
Speaker 1: durability will always be an issue. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: fun draft unless that trade comes really early, because I
Speaker 1: just gotta think that who goes one is going to
Speaker 1: depend on who makes that trade. Like Trayvon Walker went one,
Speaker 1: I think he only went one because the Jaguars picked first.
Speaker 1: If anyone else was picking first, Trayvon Walker wouldn't have
Speaker 1: gone first. But but I think that's going to be
Speaker 1: the case here where different teams have different quarterbacks. For
Speaker 1: I think you could have four quarterbacks in the first
Speaker 1: five choice for selections if you have the right people
Speaker 1: trading up. This isn't twenty twenty hindsight, but that always
Speaker 1: felt so strange last year, the way that whole top
Speaker 1: of the draft played out with Walker being the number
Speaker 1: one pick. Do you agree with me on that? Justin
Speaker 1: though even you know in the moment it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're so sure about this guy, But that's part of
Speaker 1: the process. Hej did have your Voice Sauce number two
Speaker 1: overall on his board, and I think he had Hutchinson one,
Speaker 1: and either of those picks looked like they would have
Speaker 1: been a better idea. Um, all right, how about a loser?
Speaker 1: Oh loser? I thought you gave a winner. I thought
Speaker 1: Stroud kind of showed out a little combines more about
Speaker 1: the winners. But that that's fair. Who do I want
Speaker 1: to go with? Lozard? You got a loser? There's a
Speaker 1: clear there's one very clear loser. Andrew Vorhees the USC
Speaker 1: guard or towards ACL Like, that's about the worst possible
Speaker 1: scenario at all. I think the only thing I'd kind
Speaker 1: of like watching the whiteouts. Um, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: small group of wide receivers where, unless you're wide receivers
Speaker 1: in general were losers, but Jordan Addison would have been
Speaker 1: the one that stood out as as a loser you
Speaker 1: wanted if you wanted one. I think Quinn Johnson, if anything,
Speaker 1: can say I'm a different, like looking wide receiver than
Speaker 1: the rest of these guys. He's like six four, but
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a weird group, which I think
Speaker 1: also sort of makes guys like Odell Beckham a winner
Speaker 1: in free agency if you can't rely on the drafts
Speaker 1: in past years to completely change your passing game. So
Speaker 1: Addison is a smaller receiver. DJ's got him one, but
Speaker 1: a lot of other people might have him four or five.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it's a great receiver class compared
Speaker 1: to the last few years. They might get pushed up.
Speaker 1: But Addison didn't run the forty fast and then he
Speaker 1: didn't finish his work out just because I mean and
Speaker 1: you gotta be. I do worry. I know, like like
Speaker 1: wait's not as big a deal as it used to be.
Speaker 1: But Devanta Smith is like strong as hell and fast
Speaker 1: as hell. So if you're one hundred and seventy four
Speaker 1: pounds and you're not like super fast, Uh, that worries me.
Speaker 1: I think Jackson Smith and Jigba had a great day though.
Speaker 1: His three cone was like insane just the way he
Speaker 1: moves on the field. Uh, he looks like one of
Speaker 1: those like amans Row Saint Brown type of guys are
Speaker 1: just gonna get open no matter where you put him,
Speaker 1: So he might be one. He looked the part and
Speaker 1: a lot of people's wide receiver list. How about another winner, Mark? Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see, I will Mark Mark Mark Mark. I will
Speaker 1: go with my dude, Um, Lucas van Ness, because I
Speaker 1: think there was is he just is he just a
Speaker 1: hot bot? It's like he I thought he did really
Speaker 1: well and I think he's someone that's going to continue
Speaker 1: to climb because it's like he had a seven point
Speaker 1: zero two three cone, a excellent ten yards split short shuttle. Um,
Speaker 1: he looks just amazing. I mean it's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that you're all these guys. Yeah, I mean for
Speaker 1: his position, I think he's up there. Yep. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a kind of thing where it's like, if I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of a team, if he's on, he's immediately
Speaker 1: my favorite defensive player. Yeah. I think he's just so
Speaker 1: like strong looking. He reminds me of like a little
Speaker 1: bit of like a poor man's clowney coming out Nolan Smith.
Speaker 1: Maybe he goes maybe he goes high, like how high though?
Speaker 1: Top fifteen? Who knows? How about Llijah Canty? I just
Speaker 1: like saying that name. You're a defensive tackle that can
Speaker 1: run a forty that fast. All the cornerbacks it felt
Speaker 1: like we're super fast and the wide receivers were slow.
Speaker 1: It's so it's a I looked at it and I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm just like kind of diving in. And so
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see what positions are good in this
Speaker 1: class and which ones aren't. It seems like a great
Speaker 1: cornerback class if you need one, A bad safety class,
Speaker 1: a really bad linebacker class. Maybe not a good uh
Speaker 1: class for offensive line. Maybe it's like an average offensive
Speaker 1: lineman class. But yeah, wide receivers. I feel like this
Speaker 1: is gonna be the first year where they don't get
Speaker 1: pushed up. Like if there was a Garrett Wilson in
Speaker 1: this class, like he might be going top five because
Speaker 1: he would just stay out so much, whereas last year
Speaker 1: there was so many good reasons. Nolan Smith, the edge
Speaker 1: rusher out of Georgia, ran a faster forty times four
Speaker 1: point three nine than everything, where Like they showed him
Speaker 1: running against DeAndre Hopkins and Stefan Diggs and this is
Speaker 1: an edge rusher running faster than that. Now you've got
Speaker 1: like these guys on defense that are faster than wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez might be the number one cornerback and you
Speaker 1: mentioned it just like looking the part, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: no like scout, but Christian Gonzales just like when he's
Speaker 1: in those drills and his numbers like were amazing, and
Speaker 1: he might be a top ten pick, he might be
Speaker 1: a top five pick. Who knows, he might be the
Speaker 1: top cornerback. He just he just looks like kind of
Speaker 1: like Sauce just looked like a real great cornerback right
Speaker 1: off the jump. He's not at that level of like
Speaker 1: a prospect. But it will be mentioned a roughly fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand times between now and then that his sister is
Speaker 1: Mark's newsletter subject as wife from Hard Knocks that David
Speaker 1: Blau's wife who was on that Olympics team is Christen Gondalas' sister.
Speaker 1: What a family, and I think this could be an
Speaker 1: extension in a real bump for the newsletter good Good
Speaker 1: Blood lines. Did you guys mention that Nold Smith ran
Speaker 1: the same forty times justin Jefferson, Well, not exactly, but
Speaker 1: faster than I mean stuff thought that is outrageous. That
Speaker 1: doesn't seem right. I do like some some zave flowers.
Speaker 1: He's nice. How about tu Lane as a winner? That'll
Speaker 1: be my last? Okay, go ahead. Dorian Williams, an off
Speaker 1: ball linebacker, might be the number one week side guy
Speaker 1: in this class. It might not be a he had
Speaker 1: a monster workout and then people people are finally catching
Speaker 1: up to Taje Spears two lanes running back who's gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, really live up to the legacy of Maulde
Speaker 1: Moore and Matt Forte. Just the way he moves. He
Speaker 1: really is the type of running back that I would love,
Speaker 1: regardless of he went to two lane. It's probably more
Speaker 1: of like a second round pick, maybe the third or
Speaker 1: fourth running back. But he had an he just looks
Speaker 1: you know who we gotta check back in with. It's
Speaker 1: been a couple of years. Bob Batestide. Yes, my father
Speaker 1: in law, Baylor Booster and m He came on the
Speaker 1: show a few years back to hype up Denzel Mims.
Speaker 1: That was a tough one. That was a bad beat. Um.
Speaker 1: Although Mims is still under contract with the Jets, he
Speaker 1: hasn't made a big impact. Let's see what's going on.
Speaker 1: He's got some big twelve takes and some Bears takes.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check in with him. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: the right time to do that. Absolutely, it's Straft season,
Speaker 1: baby jack pot baby um anything else? Boys, what did
Speaker 1: you think of Will Levis? I know you mentioned him.
Speaker 1: I thought he looked very good with his shirt, his
Speaker 1: shirts sleeveless. He's totally confident in his own ability. He's
Speaker 1: buff as my boys like to use that term a lot.
Speaker 1: He showed accuracy, which was a major issue. Now do it?
Speaker 1: Does that mean much to me? Like you're throwing in
Speaker 1: an empty stadium to guys, running alone doesn't mean a
Speaker 1: ton to me. Were we're told it's not supposed to
Speaker 1: mean anything too, so right, I just assume I do.
Speaker 1: I still do wonder why more and more teams aren't
Speaker 1: sending their staff to the Combine, Like, as a football fan,
Speaker 1: what am I to take of this weekend? It's a
Speaker 1: bit of a lot of Ravil Magnifi call to me
Speaker 1: on that front. So I struggle with the Combine every year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in terms of it's just for me, like a good
Speaker 1: place to start even just learning about players, even if
Speaker 1: the Combine itself is And then you mentioned Andrew Avore's
Speaker 1: blown out his acl and that's o us Wanya Morris
Speaker 1: blown out his hamstring, And it's just like you already
Speaker 1: got all the game tape, you already got the pro day,
Speaker 1: you know, for these guys. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I will end all that who cares. I will end
Speaker 1: it with a positive note about our colleagues here at
Speaker 1: the NFL Network does an awesome job with the Combine
Speaker 1: because it could be a very dry watch because it
Speaker 1: is highly repetitive. But I really do love how they
Speaker 1: take all the past prospects who became stars and impact players,
Speaker 1: and now especially in the HD four K era, like
Speaker 1: you have all this footage from the last ten years
Speaker 1: even where you could splice in this stuff and it
Speaker 1: all looks so good. They really do almost gamify it
Speaker 1: a little bit. So shout out to UK and Q
Speaker 1: and everybody their teams for making an event that I
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of interest in. Like when I
Speaker 1: do tune in, I'm like, oh, this is cool. I
Speaker 1: like seeing Aaron Donald racing against so and so, Like
Speaker 1: this is this is like thirty hours of live television
Speaker 1: is not any easy. Rich Eyes and Daniel Jeremi do
Speaker 1: an awesome job. It's good to hear kind of the
Speaker 1: DJ download and it like of just all the information
Speaker 1: he's built up, and it just makes me think, like,
Speaker 1: why not start a podcast about the draft? Jeremiah? It
Speaker 1: just seems like some bigger and bigger every year. At
Speaker 1: a certain point it goes you could say the bosses
Speaker 1: should be coming up with this idea, but DJ, there's
Speaker 1: there's an asset here make something in yourself. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just think DJ, who I thought was a visionary
Speaker 1: on some level, would show some vision on that on
Speaker 1: that front. All right, I do like that. Darnel Washington,
Speaker 1: by the way, he's like six foot seven tight end
Speaker 1: for George it's a very good tight end class. Interesting
Speaker 1: the way he was blocking the tight end prospects in
Speaker 1: this stretch. I loved like the comparisons for him because
Speaker 1: you think tall tight end like they're usually a little
Speaker 1: stiff like they was kind of compared to Marcedes Lewis,
Speaker 1: and Marcedes Lewis was a high pick coming out, so
Speaker 1: maybe he tested well too. But Darnel Washington was moving
Speaker 1: around like a man that big should not be moving around.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there could be three or four tight ends
Speaker 1: taken in the first round or the first thirty five picks,
Speaker 1: and yeah, JDJ think it's the best tight end class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know years round one tight end too hit like
Speaker 1: truly hit, but like who really has hit? The last
Speaker 1: guy Hawkinson, I'd say was he was. I think Hakinson
Speaker 1: was fantastic class it was he was. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think Hawkinson was like a solid single to left,
Speaker 1: if not a if you with a big stretch, maybe
Speaker 1: he returns the three rounded first big turn. Really he
Speaker 1: was probably about what you would want for a top
Speaker 1: ten pick. But you want a little you're hoping for
Speaker 1: a little more. You're hoping you go back to you know, O. J.
Speaker 1: Howard Um. He was a chemist, Noah Fan I would
Speaker 1: I would be a little bit buyer beware um in
Speaker 1: the first round just because of the history of the position.
Speaker 1: But um, but you're hearing a lot of big hype
Speaker 1: about some of these tight ends, right Mayor who didn't
Speaker 1: like run like crazy as kind of the Jason Witten type.
Speaker 1: Maybe a first round guy Kincaide who DJ has in
Speaker 1: the top ten or twelve picks overall, now Washington, maybe
Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave is up like it's a lot of good options.
Speaker 1: Can you remind me, mister gravedigger, we're gonna try to
Speaker 1: get Jeremiah on the show. Maybe we could pitch the
Speaker 1: idea of a draft related podcast. Um. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to him about the tight ends and why maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't always translate and why he thinks these guys could.
Speaker 1: And that's that's good. Little yeah. Another reminder, the Ravens
Speaker 1: drafted Hayden Hurst in the first round another same year
Speaker 1: they took Lamar. They took Hayden Her before they took
Speaker 1: that's amazing. We do through the left side of the infield. Yes,
Speaker 1: we have some breaking news, not even a big round news. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mark out of Jacksonville, Calvin Ridley has been reinstated by
Speaker 1: the NFL. I thought it was one of the quietly
Speaker 1: great trades of last offseason. More like big balloping news.
Speaker 1: But what what was your breaking news the other week
Speaker 1: that like, you're don't use your Greg as the bar
Speaker 1: your grandparent like repainted is deprecating on the breaking news. Ah,
Speaker 1: my grandparents are dead, so it's well, that would be
Speaker 1: breaking news, would be news. We knew that was happening.
Speaker 1: But it's good to know that Jacksonville Jaguars are going
Speaker 1: to have many weapons with a you know, a really
Speaker 1: ascendant young quarterback good sitch, good sitch, classic good sitch.
Speaker 1: We need, you know, we need, we'd uh breaking news
Speaker 1: to bust out of the slump. We need like Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers to happen in the middle of the show. It
Speaker 1: needs its dignity. Back to breaking news drop, we would
Speaker 1: ruin ruin that great Derek Carr and we can't have
Speaker 1: you ever been that hot in Las Vegas? Not that hot?
Speaker 1: It's probably why I'm going somewhere else. I like Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: It would have been cool he was on the Jets.
Speaker 1: But good luck to mister Carr in the Saints. All Right,
Speaker 1: we will be back on Wednesday. Of course, we are
Speaker 1: on call for any big news. Uh really, what is
Speaker 1: the biggest Lamar or Rogers? Now right, that's what we're
Speaker 1: on call for, unless there's something else that we don't
Speaker 1: see coming, which happens in sports breaking newsworthy. You mean something, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones and the Giants come to terms before
Speaker 1: the franchise tag deadline Wednesday. No, that's no, that's earth shaking,
Speaker 1: but no, probably not. Otherwise you'll hear us on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Do we want to check in with the League of
Speaker 1: thirty two in a certain type of way looking ahead
Speaker 1: to next week? And what is next week, Greggy, the
Speaker 1: start of free agency? Boom boom, the new league year,
Speaker 1: free agency. It's all happening. Thank you to everybody until Wednesday,
Speaker 1: or perhaps before those are signing off for the Old
Speaker 1: Boss and Quiet Storm and Great Digger. Till Wednesday hear
Speaker 1: the call.