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Speaker 2: Oh, yes it is, Yes, it is. What a week

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Speaker 2: it has been. Let's just talk about just this week.

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Speaker 2: What has happened. Democrats admitted the top Democrat in the

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Speaker 2: give Donald Trump credit. Well, I don't wait on Hakeem

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey's approval for my opinions. I think it's comical. It

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Speaker 2: has to admit, yeah, the border is secure, but Trump

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Speaker 2: I propose that years ago. Does that mean you'll support him?

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Speaker 2: Trump didn't build that, Trump isn't responsible for that. That's

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Speaker 2: That's how you know that what he's doing is popular,

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Speaker 2: The President has pushed them into a position where they're

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Speaker 2: having to defend narco terrorists. And then you just go

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Speaker 2: to the archive. There's Joe Biden telling President Bush the

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Speaker 1: You want to kick me out and leave my baby here?

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Speaker 2: Democrats used to have a problem with that. Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 2: Oh but he won't say that today, will you. There

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Speaker 1: And once they made that deal, they all flipped.

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Speaker 2: They all flipped together, and they started trying to convince

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Speaker 1: But boy, it was all right. Let's get started. Courtesy

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Speaker 2: I cannot go out in public without some woman at

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Speaker 1: Death of Trump. Michael Berry Show. You're not going anywhere

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Speaker 2: So every day I get pitches from PR agents and

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Speaker 2: we are. His name is Professor Mark. Defant? Is that

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Speaker 2: Professor Mark defined, first of all, the background behind why

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Speaker 3: Normally it would be. By the way, thanks for having

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Speaker 2: Well, let me make very clear, Professor Martin Defont, I

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Speaker 3: Sounds good. Well, briefly, I think I come from a

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and why wouldn't women Let's just let's just play

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Speaker 2: Right, But I think it's even more than that professor

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Speaker 2: The peer reviewed paper in Sexuality and Culture is titled

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Speaker 2: And that's not only the scholarship that is as applied

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Speaker 2: Because I do think there has been a tectonic shift

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Speaker 2: Our professor Mark Dafont is saying that there is not

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Speaker 3: it ruffles my feathers, so to speak. Why are we

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Speaker 1: Not only a very good it's very natural.

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Speaker 2: And yes, it's important that we understand, and I think

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Speaker 2: But I think that what we're seeing is this desire

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's a I mean, that's almost.

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Speaker 3: A non sequitor in the universities that women are trying

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Speaker 3: to do this. Yes they are. They're feminizing the universities.

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Speaker 3: Next time you get on a university, see how many

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Speaker 3: those things that are looked down on university of campuses.

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Speaker 3: I'm careful not to judge all people, but certainly a

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Speaker 3: large percentage of females that I know on campus are

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Speaker 3: trying to feminize the university and in general, feminized men,

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Speaker 3: and in fact, the American Psychological Association published a large

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Speaker 3: report in twenty eighteen basically saying, we want to feminize men.

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Speaker 3: We want to make sure that the therapists out there

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Speaker 3: are coming down on behavior, on masculine behavior. That scared

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Speaker 3: the heck out. I mean when I heard that, I thought, gosh,

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Speaker 3: you know, we as scientists have to speak out against

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Speaker 3: this thing. Men and boys are being punies for simply.

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Speaker 2: Being masculine, and nothing is more natural than being what

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Speaker 2: you biologically are. You know, one of the great compelling

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Speaker 2: moral arguments against racism is that someone should not be judged,

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Speaker 2: to quote Martin Luther King Jr. By the color of

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Speaker 2: their skins, and rather by the content of their character.

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Speaker 2: We can't control what we were born, and it feels

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Speaker 2: that feminism has done exactly that to boys. And anyone

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Speaker 2: who does not understand that if you have seen how

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Speaker 2: I've raised two little boys into grown men, and little

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Speaker 2: boys are very different than little girls in consistent ways.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you it's the same thing with breeds.

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Speaker 2: I've had Shuahas, I've had German shepherds, and they are

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Speaker 2: very consistent with their breed.

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Speaker 1: I was a little boy, My brothers were little boys.

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Speaker 2: I watched how little boys behaved and I watched how

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Speaker 2: girls behave differently, and it wasn't because we were conditioned

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Speaker 2: or socialized to those behaviors, because that's what came naturally

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Speaker 2: to us. Well, I'm gonna have to hold you right there.

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Speaker 2: My clock management is not as good as I would

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Speaker 2: like it to be. But I don't want you to

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Speaker 2: have to stop in the middle of a discussion. We

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Speaker 2: will continue our conversation with Professor Mark the defunct regarding

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Speaker 2: the lack or he says, a crisis of empirical rigor

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Speaker 2: and feminist studies, by which he means they're.

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Speaker 1: Just making stuff up. It's not scientific anymore, and it

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Speaker 1: does have real effects.

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Speaker 2: It has real effects on your children, real effects on you,

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Speaker 2: on whether boys go into girls' bathrooms, whether boys play

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Speaker 2: sports on the same field as a girl even when

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Speaker 2: they can injure them, and so much more come out