Speaker 1: So where did that phrase come from?
Speaker 2: Snow? From me shoveling snow as a kid, I became
Speaker 2: the snow man. I'm an entity of snow, like I
Speaker 2: got snow pat too straight across my body.
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? I'm peanut to him?
Speaker 3: And this is the NFL Player's Second Act podcast and
Speaker 3: with me as always my choice co host, mister Roman Arbor.
Speaker 2: What's up baby?
Speaker 1: What was having a peanut?
Speaker 3: Really excited about this episode our next guest why because
Speaker 3: he's not a former player, but he is a current
Speaker 3: player that's making all kinds of headlines in the NFL
Speaker 3: right now. So really excited to jop and jump into
Speaker 3: his story and get to hear about his lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He's only the second active player that we've actually had
Speaker 3: on the podcast. He's a twenty seventeen second round draft pick.
Speaker 3: He's at a Temple out of Temple. He's a pro bowler.
Speaker 2: How many times four? There you go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's this year's water Man of the Year nominee
Speaker 3: for the Bills. Ladies, gentlemen, please welcome Dion Doggers to
Speaker 3: the podcast.
Speaker 2: You guys shot him in the back. Appreciate I see
Speaker 2: you right there.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and I'll be honest.
Speaker 3: You know, Diann, you are the first guy in this, uh,
Speaker 3: this this little journey of podcasting that we've been doing recently,
Speaker 3: like this this seasons that uh brought his own crowd,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate that, you know, I mean shot them
Speaker 3: boys out in the back man man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always I always got a nice little crew,
Speaker 2: working crew. Nick. He does uh my social content. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't like to call him a camera man. He's
Speaker 2: good with his I can't say tools. He's good with
Speaker 2: his tools. And then and then and then and then Tony. Uh,
Speaker 2: he's he's my running gun. That's that's one of my
Speaker 2: best friends. And he helps me with everything little that
Speaker 2: comes up very quick and even in some of these meetings,
Speaker 2: like he's there as another set of eyes and ears.
Speaker 2: And I've been needing a lot quick like yo, I
Speaker 2: got a run, like upstairs, can you go downstairs and
Speaker 2: grab me a gatorade? Where I go upstairs and grab
Speaker 2: a T shirt? Boom, Tony goes that way, I go
Speaker 2: this way. We meet the middle. We're back on to
Speaker 2: our course. And uh, I'll be like needing that you know,
Speaker 2: everything I'm doing It's not just me that you guys
Speaker 2: see like sitting here. You know, I invest in myself
Speaker 2: and I have a team of people that for sure
Speaker 2: helped me every step o the way.
Speaker 3: That's something new that we never really had to do.
Speaker 3: As far as like the social content, you didn't. You
Speaker 3: didn't have at homies too, But I just went smart
Speaker 3: enough to like put the ass to work.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You was just hanging You
Speaker 1: smarter than me, just crazy. We was just kicking it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's much better to do it how you're
Speaker 3: doing it. Have these been your boy since like day one?
Speaker 3: Like my guys was always from like high school, my
Speaker 3: boy from first grade, and then like I had one
Speaker 3: or two from college, with most of all these my
Speaker 3: people from day one.
Speaker 2: That's a good question, and I've never been asked on
Speaker 2: camera to answer this question, Tony. These are not my
Speaker 2: guys from day one, okay, but they are my guys
Speaker 2: from day one when they heard my journey of where
Speaker 2: I was trying to go. And I respected that just
Speaker 2: as much as I respected my guys that have the
Speaker 2: years in time instead of the guys that have the
Speaker 2: mental time of direction. And like my guys from back home.
Speaker 2: I mean, and I hope that Mike does see this.
Speaker 2: Like I told Mike, Rubin Youovannie, look, I'm on a
Speaker 2: different mission and you could either come along. You guys
Speaker 2: are already doing this stuff. You already do your camera work,
Speaker 2: you already invest in your computer skills. Ruben, Robbie, you're
Speaker 2: the officer, You're the enforcer, You're the protection. And Vonnie
Speaker 2: my running gun. Right, So like Vine when there was
Speaker 2: that at remember Mike, Mike was Vine famous, and I
Speaker 2: was like, Mike, you can do this, but also if
Speaker 2: you want, I can take you around. You could be
Speaker 2: and with me and you can help me do my
Speaker 2: social And he liked it at first, but he didn't
Speaker 2: really take it as serious as I needed him to,
Speaker 2: because you know, he's a friend. It's a little cushionaire
Speaker 2: and it's just different. And then you know, Ruben, he
Speaker 2: he was on his own path. And I was like, cool, like,
Speaker 2: I can't knock you. This is my mission. The just
Speaker 2: don't have to be yours. I'm gonna still love you
Speaker 2: no matter what. But then I told Tone, I told Nick,
Speaker 2: I told Andy, I told aj that I was like, look, bro,
Speaker 2: like that time is now and if y'all are on board, cool,
Speaker 2: let's sign these contracts and let's get to it. And
Speaker 2: it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard
Speaker 2: because what I'm trying to do has never been done.
Speaker 2: And as a big guy, then you know, I separate
Speaker 2: my life with skinnies and bigs, right, and out of
Speaker 2: respecting there's skinnies and then there's bigs. You have linemen,
Speaker 2: you have skill position. That's it. There ain't no mediums.
Speaker 2: You either got a six pack or you got a stomach. Right,
Speaker 2: the big boys got stomachs. The skinny boys got six packs.
Speaker 2: As simple as that. Right, y'all are the four to
Speaker 2: four guys. We're the big you know, girls just want
Speaker 2: to cuddle, right, It's just what it is. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: my guys understand my mission. And I just speak how
Speaker 2: I speak and this is duk, but yeah, this is me.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: No, No no dollar skinnies for sure, No gallar the
Speaker 2: four fours, you know, jumping up in the air, cart
Speaker 2: wheels and catching pigs and doing all type of cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: talk about it, talk about the big one sweat.
Speaker 3: I just saying they got it all right, So we'll
Speaker 3: get into a little bit of football because I want
Speaker 3: to come back to some other stuff too.
Speaker 2: I feel you can joke and laugh.
Speaker 3: How'd you feel about Josh Allen winning the MVP? Come
Speaker 3: on now, because I want to know your opinion. Everybody's
Speaker 3: going to have an opinion about this topic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost cry on on on the stage. I
Speaker 2: almost cried. And I say that with a lot of truth,
Speaker 2: you know, because me as a man, I'm emotional with
Speaker 2: the stuff that I love. I'm very invested into my people,
Speaker 2: especially my quarterback. Me as a left tackle, I call
Speaker 2: myself LT one. I'm the best left tackle in the
Speaker 2: NFL right hands down. Trent being hurt opened up the
Speaker 2: door for a lot of other people to show right.
Speaker 2: And I respect big big Trent. That's still in Big Homie.
Speaker 2: He'll be back and then he'll be king again. But
Speaker 2: you know, somebody had to take that place. And I'm
Speaker 2: telling you that's what I had my mission on. If
Speaker 2: the opportunity is here, I'm shooting for it. But for Josh,
Speaker 2: it was it was it was just something that like
Speaker 2: how much longer do we have to wait for this?
Speaker 2: Like every year and we talk about this kid's seventeen
Speaker 2: and Josh Allen is and Josh Allen that Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: he does it again. He jumps over this guy. He's
Speaker 2: he's out passing everybody. He has more rushing touchdowns than
Speaker 2: the leading rusher. And it's just over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over and over. And then you got his
Speaker 2: big boys that have his back, you know. And we've
Speaker 2: been putting on this battle for years this kid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, Josh is in the year going in
Speaker 2: the year eight now, and I've seen this kid grow
Speaker 2: and grow and grow and grow and grow and him
Speaker 2: act like that, oh I don't care about that award
Speaker 2: dah lah lah lah. But I'm looking at him in
Speaker 2: his face like I protect his mind side, like I know,
Speaker 2: and when you line or if you're just trying to
Speaker 2: brush it off, and he's like, yeah, bro, I don't care.
Speaker 2: My MVP is here, but he want that trophy and
Speaker 2: he got that validation. Yeah, it's the validation.
Speaker 3: Does this thing a little less now, even though you
Speaker 3: know y'all lost Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's sting, just as that's trophy don't
Speaker 2: mean nothing now. Trophy means some of that troby, don't
Speaker 2: I don't got to ring on my finger Josh got
Speaker 2: to ring on his and Josh knows that that's an
Speaker 2: individual award. Yeah, that's Josh and Josh right, he has
Speaker 2: players album, but that's Josh Allen. Yeah right. As a team,
Speaker 2: which what we are, we failed, Yeah, simple as that.
Speaker 2: And next year is another year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you change that narrative? The Chiefs just
Speaker 1: always just.
Speaker 3: Just find a way to beat Buffalo. I don't know
Speaker 3: how they show up, it's just what it is. You
Speaker 3: guys beat him in the regular season a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, and now it's like, how do you change
Speaker 3: that narrative? What's the next step? You know, because that's
Speaker 3: what we're constantly trying to do.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question, you know, but it's
Speaker 2: so simple to answer. Okay, given what you think, the
Speaker 2: answer is win. It's got to win, bron Yeah, simble
Speaker 2: as that, right. You don't got to do more sprints,
Speaker 2: you don't got to do more more more more, all
Speaker 2: going to work out an hour early, just win behind
Speaker 2: the freaking way to win the game. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: just find a way. This ain't working, Tretis, If that
Speaker 2: ain't working, Tretis, find a way to win.
Speaker 3: Man to win it all. I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 3: do that one time. Dann bro you got to be
Speaker 3: so lucky. You gotta be lucky. You gotta be really good,
Speaker 3: stars gotta you gotta know you've all got a balance
Speaker 3: your way. Yeah, and you know you got to play
Speaker 3: well in the biggest moments. You know, the players that
Speaker 3: you don't even think have make a play, they have
Speaker 3: end up making that play.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's all those.
Speaker 3: Things kind of encapsulated in one and it's so hard
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then we only get to have one one team
Speaker 3: a year. That's the thing about it all thirty other
Speaker 3: thirty one other teams, Losers, losers, losers.
Speaker 1: Talk about talk about making Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to be consistent, yeah, or it's hard
Speaker 2: to be consistent in the mind, and then other things
Speaker 2: throw you off track, like an injury, a death in
Speaker 2: the family, a sickness to illness. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: things that and that go on through the course of
Speaker 2: a season. But for myself, you know, what I've learned
Speaker 2: is the more I invest in myself, the true version
Speaker 2: continues to pour out and it becomes easier. It becomes
Speaker 2: easier over time, and I just stick to the same script.
Speaker 2: I stick to the same script. My off season is
Speaker 2: what it is. I'm blessed. I do the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 2: I do the Super Bowl, I go home. I love
Speaker 2: all my family and then I get right to it.
Speaker 2: And then I just I walk. I walk like my
Speaker 2: cheek code as I walk like five to seven miles
Speaker 2: a day. I put a sweatback on, I put a
Speaker 2: hoodie on in South Florida. And if I even force
Speaker 2: and my guys to walk, because it's therapy, it's mental,
Speaker 2: it's releasing. It's a time to push yourself, but also
Speaker 2: get away right and we just walk. If we start
Speaker 2: talking on our walk, we talk. Most of the time,
Speaker 2: we don't talk, and we just breathe and we walk.
Speaker 2: Just get the mission done and we come back. We refresh.
Speaker 2: I might eat like two salads a day, and then
Speaker 2: I box, and then I box and then same and
Speaker 2: routine over and over in the OTAs and camp and
Speaker 2: then it just goes right through it and I try
Speaker 2: my best to stay healthy because making the fourth consecutive PROBO,
Speaker 2: you have to be available for your team. That's the
Speaker 2: number one thing. You have to be available, and we're
Speaker 2: being available. You have to perform at the level of
Speaker 2: expected of your availability and some and you know Doc
Speaker 2: is just gonna be dark. I speaking a third person,
Speaker 2: and I'm just me, you know, I'm just.
Speaker 1: When did I click for you? When did that change?
Speaker 3: When did you realize that, like, oh, I need to
Speaker 3: invest more of me and love on my family, be
Speaker 3: available for my team.
Speaker 2: I would say maybe after I had my son. So
Speaker 2: if I have my daughter a year two, so maybe
Speaker 2: going in the year contract year, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I would say contract year definitely put you in you know,
Speaker 2: eye opening life journey street because you're like Wall I
Speaker 2: can cross the threshold of becoming the point of the
Speaker 2: point one percent in the NFL because I have the
Speaker 2: opportunity to even call it contract year, and I can
Speaker 2: get a big contract because everybody gets to the contract
Speaker 2: year and they know I'm probably not gonna get it.
Speaker 2: Da da da da da. But when you're up for
Speaker 2: contract year, and you know, shoot, if I had to
Speaker 2: handle my business, it's cash in time to change. So
Speaker 2: I was like, cool, let's see how how this goes
Speaker 2: if I just invest a little bit more in myself.
Speaker 2: And it's been working. It's been working.
Speaker 3: You went to your first Pro Bowl that you are
Speaker 3: so so that's exactly how mine went it. I want
Speaker 3: to know, once you go to how much and you
Speaker 3: can speak to this, how much easier is it to
Speaker 3: go to a pro Bowl after you've already been, Because
Speaker 3: I feel like once you get in, once you look
Speaker 3: you in, that's what you start going. And now everybody
Speaker 3: knows who you are. You know, I thought you was
Speaker 3: just a light skinned brother feeling yourself. But I love
Speaker 3: the third person, like I love that, like this is
Speaker 3: just this is.
Speaker 2: You and it's just me. Yeah, and from afar you
Speaker 2: could think whatever, but when you get the chance to talk,
Speaker 2: you'll see it. It's just I am a true version
Speaker 2: of myself. I call myself a skinny guy trapped in
Speaker 2: a big guy body. I don't move like a big guy.
Speaker 2: I don't act like a big guy. I call myself
Speaker 2: a hybrid, which is really just big and skinny. But
Speaker 2: I'm the hybrid. I'm my own entity, right and I
Speaker 2: live by that. And you know, like y'all are dressed
Speaker 2: stickly different, like y'all are elites, like elites out of
Speaker 2: the elites, Like I have zero points zero zero one
Speaker 2: percent tattooed on my end because I'm on my third
Speaker 2: deal right, I'm not the point percent. I'm not the
Speaker 2: when you like, you get into the league and then
Speaker 2: you get you get your deal with everybody's like, get
Speaker 2: your second deal, get your second deal. You get your
Speaker 2: second deal, and they're like, but listen, if you really
Speaker 2: want to be that, you get your third deal, no doubt,
Speaker 2: you know. And so that's that's where I'm an. I'm
Speaker 2: just being man. I'm just done.
Speaker 1: I think I got three deals. You got three deals.
Speaker 1: I got three DALs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we have three deals.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So I want to talk about which all you've done
Speaker 3: in the community in Buffalo serving those people. You've been
Speaker 3: up there your whole career and now you were you
Speaker 3: were the Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee nominee.
Speaker 3: And how's that feel to be represented for your team?
Speaker 3: And not only that, but like do your kind of
Speaker 3: mouthpiece for your team? Josh Allen, he doesn't talk, but
Speaker 3: he's a quarterback, But like you are the personality that
Speaker 3: I like to see after games and talking about different things.
Speaker 3: You you show case. You stand out because you are
Speaker 3: a big guy that has personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So to answer the question, first, it's an honor
Speaker 2: to be even in the voice conversation of the other
Speaker 2: thirty ones outside of me, which could be the thirty second.
Speaker 2: It's cool to be, you know, in the front lines
Speaker 2: in my community, really being that person for the people,
Speaker 2: because a lot of people would say, oh, like they
Speaker 2: just do community stuff, but it's damn they're harder than
Speaker 2: playing ball. It's damn they're harder because in the community,
Speaker 2: I choose to give the people my true version of myself.
Speaker 2: And like, you know, like you guys are not performing,
Speaker 2: but you guys are performing. People are watching you. You
Speaker 2: ain't about to be like how like how you are
Speaker 2: in the kitchen and just chilling, like you're going to
Speaker 2: be a certain level, right, So when you go into
Speaker 2: the community, you have to give them that. And I
Speaker 2: want to give everybody what they see of me, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because that's what they're attaching to. So all that energy
Speaker 2: that I have, I give it to them when I
Speaker 2: see them. And you know, that energy is taxing, Like
Speaker 2: it's taxing to be hydrated and to be like fueled
Speaker 2: and to have the right food in your system and
Speaker 2: to be right and with God that day and to
Speaker 2: have everything right and then to be in the community
Speaker 2: Monday after meetings, after a win or loss. Tuesday, full day,
Speaker 2: and then Friday, because it's fast. Friday, you're out the
Speaker 2: second half of the day in the community, and then
Speaker 2: Saturday comes you decompress, and then Sunday is game day.
Speaker 2: And to do it consistently, over and over and over
Speaker 2: and over and over again. How I see it, It's
Speaker 2: just you have to be organic, you have to be
Speaker 2: your true self, and you can't fake it because if
Speaker 2: you fake it, you know you'll get eaten alive and
Speaker 2: nobody will really attach to you. So I just give
Speaker 2: them the true version of me and it usually works.
Speaker 3: And talk about to be that person in the community
Speaker 3: of which is a different community for those that don't know,
Speaker 3: Buffalo is different.
Speaker 1: What's different about Buffalo? Why you said like that?
Speaker 2: Because Buffalo is Buffalo is different.
Speaker 3: But then there before I want you, I want you
Speaker 3: to explain who, Like I've been to I've been in
Speaker 3: the facility, I've been inside those walls.
Speaker 1: I haven't been in the basilio. Yeah, I've only been
Speaker 1: driving in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, I see a stadium, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it is different, you know, like it's like Green Bay
Speaker 3: Probably no, no, for sure, but the only.
Speaker 2: Thing about Buffalo is like I mean, like you think
Speaker 2: about and I'm gonna talk about the fans first that
Speaker 2: like the Buffalo fans like they shoot each other with
Speaker 2: catching it mustard. It's true. Cold hot exactly cold hot,
Speaker 2: sunny cold, it don't matter. There's tables jumping through tables
Speaker 2: on fire, jumping off of the top of school buses
Speaker 2: onto the table and then usually miss right like and
Speaker 2: then not care and get up and be like and
Speaker 2: then go right to the hospital and they come into
Speaker 2: the game or whatever. But then, but like, I think
Speaker 2: that the true difference from the people in Buffalo is
Speaker 2: not the bills is all they have. But the bills
Speaker 2: is like the only bit of energy, surge of positivity
Speaker 2: that they have, right Like we have the bandness, we
Speaker 2: have the Sabers, that's they are great as well. But
Speaker 2: the bills is the is the is the head sphere
Speaker 2: of the energy in Buffalo. When we win, the city
Speaker 2: is so happy. They're like, oh my gosh, Like so
Speaker 2: many people came in just to buy a coffee. Everybody
Speaker 2: was go bills, go bills.
Speaker 1: We did it.
Speaker 2: We did it. Everybody's happy. And the people there are
Speaker 2: truly organic. They are truly organic and it's real. And
Speaker 2: I know with playing football we get a different side
Speaker 2: of some of the people, but I'm honored to be
Speaker 2: on the side that I'm on and those people treat
Speaker 2: my family, my kids, my friends with respect every time,
Speaker 2: but they see them and that just shows the type
Speaker 2: of character that these people have. And I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to play for any other fan base or be a
Speaker 2: part of any other community because they've done definitely made
Speaker 2: the big guy feel feel like it's skinny.
Speaker 3: I've seen that with Buffalo, I've seen that with Green Bay,
Speaker 3: I've seen that with Chicago Saints. Like you, you find
Speaker 3: these teams and despite what y'all are doing, win, lose,
Speaker 3: a draw the community like they still love you, like
Speaker 3: they you need fans like that. That's what makes it.
Speaker 3: That's what makes the NFL so special. And I didn't
Speaker 3: really truly get to realize or see that until I
Speaker 3: went to IR and I went to I went tailgating
Speaker 3: and I get it with some fans and I was like.
Speaker 1: Yo, this is you got up here at five o'clock
Speaker 1: to cook this brisket.
Speaker 2: All day, all day, all day.
Speaker 3: And I appreciated it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time that they put in and play
Speaker 1: a game. Like you got to appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Man, you're talking about five am in Buffalo, they pull
Speaker 2: up on the trailers three four days before the game.
Speaker 2: Thursday night, you pull out the stadium and you know
Speaker 2: the stadium is like how you said, in the community.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it's in the community. So you come out
Speaker 2: the long driveway and you know, if we're in the
Speaker 2: facility late, maybe say we get out the building. Let's
Speaker 2: say six o'clock. You pull up. You look on your left,
Speaker 2: that first lot that's right there. You might have six
Speaker 2: or seven RVs ready. The lots straight across is starting
Speaker 2: to fill up. And what you see like people start
Speaker 2: like starting to make campfires and have like their little
Speaker 2: blue stroll lights and all types of stuff. You're like,
Speaker 2: all right, head they come. And then by that next morning,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, they are out there talking about who's eating pancakes.
Speaker 2: It's a full community. Everybody is passing eggs and passing bread,
Speaker 2: and it's like, dag, like this is this is cool?
Speaker 2: Like when I'm done, I'm coming to have a meal.
Speaker 3: You know, hey, man, if you ain't never done it,
Speaker 3: and I hope you don't get to do it, by
Speaker 3: doing doing my way going on ir But if you
Speaker 3: get a chance to do it, man, it is it
Speaker 3: is an awesome experience.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back.
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about the LT one the shirt.
Speaker 3: I know you got your own clothing brand or no
Speaker 3: snowboard right.
Speaker 2: Snow brand, got goggles, I got T shirts, I got skateboards.
Speaker 1: What do you grow up skateboarding longboarding?
Speaker 2: I grew up longboarding a little longer. I had a
Speaker 2: bambook like.
Speaker 1: You kind of got that.
Speaker 2: ALI longboards don't really Ali talk about on the short board.
Speaker 2: I don't touch the short boards. The short boards of
Speaker 2: wood bigger guys. I don't go up and come down
Speaker 2: because I'll break the board.
Speaker 1: And he's not a skinny.
Speaker 2: He's a hybrid, and hybrids figure out how to do
Speaker 2: skinny stuff better. I have a bamboo board. Now, listen,
Speaker 2: a bamboo board on a long board, you can bounce
Speaker 2: up and down. The force it has has a little
Speaker 2: bit of yeah. Yeah, that shirt is yeah, the material
Speaker 2: is yeah, it's almost elastic. Yeah, it's almost like the skateboards.
Speaker 2: The landing is just too hard. I got you. Nikki
Speaker 2: is actually a skateboarder. Gotcha the skinny I'm along match.
Speaker 1: So if I want to buy some of your stuff,
Speaker 1: order I go.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 1: I want you looking at this camera right then they
Speaker 1: can get it.
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Speaker 2: S T O r E dot com and Simple. I
Speaker 2: have a couple of things on there. One of my
Speaker 2: most recent ones was goggles. I released goggles because I
Speaker 2: put my goggles on in one of the games and
Speaker 2: it went viral and the people loved it. And I
Speaker 2: have hats. I got all types of stuff. Bro, you
Speaker 2: already snow university stuff Before every broadcast, like when they're
Speaker 2: like Dion Dawkins Temple University, I say, Dion Dawkins, you
Speaker 2: already snow University.
Speaker 1: You know I've heard that. So where did that phrase
Speaker 1: come from?
Speaker 2: Snow? From me shoveling snow as a kid, I became
Speaker 2: the snow man. I'm an entity of snow. Like. I
Speaker 2: got snow tattoo git across my body right, snow like
Speaker 2: that's me. When I was younger, I would wait for
Speaker 2: the cold days from Jersey right like. I'm not an
Speaker 2: old head, but I ain't a young I was born in
Speaker 2: ninety four so I was right, getting a little bit
Speaker 2: of the ogs to like the new wave stuff. Two
Speaker 2: thousands is way different from the nineties. It's very drastic,
Speaker 2: drastic difference. And we didn't have iPhones. So when the
Speaker 2: landline phone, if you don't know what a landline phone is,
Speaker 2: the phone is hooked up to the house. Landline's attached
Speaker 2: to your house because people don't know, yeh you, they
Speaker 2: don't know that. So when you pull the phone off,
Speaker 2: you could pick the phone up, your sister could be
Speaker 2: on the phone. Get off the phone. I'm on the phone, right.
Speaker 2: So if we had a rumor that there was going
Speaker 2: to be a snow day, the phone would ring, usually
Speaker 2: around five o'clock. And if there was a rumor around
Speaker 2: school that there was going to be school canceled, you
Speaker 2: knew it was a lot of snow coming. So I
Speaker 2: would wait, like, shoot, well, if we're gonna get canceled school,
Speaker 2: we're either watching the news to see if our name
Speaker 2: comes up on the bottom of the ticker. You're on
Speaker 2: waiting for the landline phone just to call. But if
Speaker 2: the phone ring, it's like, oh, it could be could
Speaker 2: be Grandma Candy Cane, or could be Antecla or it
Speaker 2: could be the school on an automated call. So if
Speaker 2: the school call I knew there was going to be
Speaker 2: a lot of snow, I would set my alarms ridiculously
Speaker 2: early because the adults still had to go to work
Speaker 2: while the kids got the off day. So I would
Speaker 2: set my alarm around five thirty. I would wait. I
Speaker 2: would wake up, brush, brush my teeth quick. I would
Speaker 2: have all my stuff laid out, put my socks on.
Speaker 2: I would have a bag. I would have an extra
Speaker 2: pair of socks in my bag, an extra pair of gloves,
Speaker 2: maybe an extra thermal just in case if I got
Speaker 2: overwet and I will walk, I will walk to the
Speaker 2: nicer part of Rawick. It was Clark and Cranford. So
Speaker 2: if I went this way, I got to Clark and
Speaker 2: then it bears left. It goes to Cranford, and that's
Speaker 2: where like the people that had the money would have
Speaker 2: the money. Like I wasn't asking my neighbor because he
Speaker 2: would have been like no, But when I go to
Speaker 2: Cranford and Clark, they would say, sure, I'll give you
Speaker 2: thirty dollars to shovel my driveway. And I would ask
Speaker 2: if they wanted their driveway their walkway, and if the
Speaker 2: people felt safe, if they had to go to work,
Speaker 2: I would ask him if they wanted their car removed
Speaker 2: and with the snow, and if they had to leave,
Speaker 2: I would offer them if they want me to start
Speaker 2: their car so when they get out, their car is warm.
Speaker 2: And with me being the business mind and the guy
Speaker 2: that was always thinking ahead, I was like like who
Speaker 2: am I? Like, oh, I'm just a worker. I had
Speaker 2: business cards like I was doing. I took a graphics
Speaker 2: arts class in high school just so I can make
Speaker 2: business cards. So when I went out, I would thank
Speaker 2: you here, take this next time, just call me so
Speaker 2: I don't have to knock and guess. Right. So I
Speaker 2: was saving time and I became a snowman because I
Speaker 2: was like, who am I? Who was outside in the snow?
Speaker 2: A shnowman is built, he sits on the front lawn.
Speaker 2: He's out there. He's big, he's strong, and he has
Speaker 2: a statement and he draws attention. Who is this guy? Right?
Speaker 2: So I was like, cool, I can't be the snow man,
Speaker 2: so shoot, I'll be the shnowman. So I just added
Speaker 2: an H in it. Now I became a snowman. And
Speaker 2: then look I got drafted a buffalo. I'm like, look
Speaker 2: at you, and then I was like, cool, let's start
Speaker 2: this journey. And you know, I've been calling myself the
Speaker 2: Snowman since high school. It carried me all the way
Speaker 2: through college. I've been saying, you're already snowing now you
Speaker 2: know LT one.
Speaker 3: All right, So have you gotten any advice from any
Speaker 3: other because you've seen very entrepreneurial. Clearly you started this early.
Speaker 3: You have entrepreneurial myset and that's just who you are.
Speaker 3: Have you got any other advice from any other former players?
Speaker 3: NFL vets about working on your second act while continue
Speaker 3: to play in your first act.
Speaker 2: Nobody ever really told me this, but they told me
Speaker 2: this without just saying that. Yeah, Like I had to
Speaker 2: figure out, like, oh, this is what he was saying.
Speaker 2: Within that is, don't be dumb and understand the moment
Speaker 2: that you're in. You're the most relevant while you have
Speaker 2: the jersey and the helmet on, no matter what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: no matter what. You could be the best player in
Speaker 2: the world while your jersey is on. Knock on every door,
Speaker 2: were possible that you would like to see what's on
Speaker 2: the other side, And That's where I'm at. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of guys are like, oh, I'll get to
Speaker 2: that when I'm done playing. By that point, bro, it's
Speaker 2: over with. It's over with. It's over with. So you
Speaker 2: have to understand the now and that you're in And
Speaker 2: the only way that the rest will work is if
Speaker 2: you are the true version of yourself. You have to
Speaker 2: be the true version of yourself. The true version will
Speaker 2: set you free. Yeah, and it'll get you wherever you
Speaker 2: want to go, wherever you choose you want to be,
Speaker 2: it'll be there if you just treat yourself with respect
Speaker 2: and be your true version. Now.
Speaker 3: I know Peanuts got one more after this, but I gotta,
Speaker 3: we gotta address this because you violated.
Speaker 1: The code earlier.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, the big Man code, the big Man
Speaker 3: down South code. You got to you got it. You
Speaker 3: didn't have one earlier, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Man, you just it's not used.
Speaker 2: It is he down here Comb, It's It's just I
Speaker 2: did violate. I violated myself to all the big guys.
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry, bro, because because I should have I
Speaker 2: should have been prepared. I should have been prepared. Yes,
Speaker 2: but leaving I had a meeting at nine thirty, Okay,
Speaker 2: I go downstairs around nine oh five. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna call it uber nine oh five. It's only around
Speaker 2: the corner, realistic at least two point five miles away. Cool,
Speaker 2: it's right here. I'm gonna get there. I get downstairs,
Speaker 2: I called an uber. Uber says it won't be here
Speaker 2: until fourteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's right, you can you can walk that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I could just walk that, but you know,
Speaker 2: I ain't want to be sweaty or nothing like that.
Speaker 2: I like to be calm, cool and collect. And I
Speaker 2: said cool tone and Nick, we're hitting it and we walking.
Speaker 2: So we walked there. I'm like, dang, I'm like shot,
Speaker 2: Like I said, let let me just stop, you know,
Speaker 2: moving for a second. Let me just cool down. And
Speaker 2: then you know, I had to get back. So it
Speaker 2: was a double commute. So point five point five is
Speaker 2: what out you know of my shoe? You know, So
Speaker 2: I failed my big because I was out there glazed
Speaker 2: up like a like a like a like a doughnut.
Speaker 2: I'm glazed up. I'm like. So when I got here,
Speaker 2: I was like, bag, I need to go because to
Speaker 2: get my town. Bro, I don't know who I'm full of.
Speaker 2: So basically the message that we're trying to tell y'all,
Speaker 2: and I'm telling y'all right here, big boys when it's
Speaker 2: over seventy five degrees outside, have yourself a big boytown.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right.
Speaker 3: So my my final my final question too, is you
Speaker 3: turned out to be this great person, the hybrid true
Speaker 3: version of yourself Mount Rushmore. If you had to pick
Speaker 3: four people on your personal influence to help build you
Speaker 3: for who you are, just in life, college, on the field,
Speaker 3: off the field, professional, whatever, who are those four people.
Speaker 2: Being great question? I would start with Alan Iverson. I
Speaker 2: would start with Alan Iverson. Do you want to explain
Speaker 2: why I do SA one of them?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Sure, cool, Alan Iverson, because that was my first vision,
Speaker 2: Sorry that that was my first vision of looking at
Speaker 2: an athlete that quote unquote did not care what people
Speaker 2: thought and still did what he did and still quote
Speaker 2: unquote still had success because of his athletic ability. Ai.
Speaker 2: I don't have earrings and stuff like that. AI had
Speaker 2: ear rings, He had braids. Okay, AI had earrings, He
Speaker 2: had braids, he had jewelryes, he had baggy clothes. He
Speaker 2: was hisself. Everybody else was going in these giants suits. Now, hey,
Speaker 2: I had suits on two, But he was just baggy clothes.
Speaker 2: I'm Ai, I'm a sometimes and go to practice and
Speaker 2: then I'm going to perform me. I said, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at this as be the true version of yourself and
Speaker 2: it will set you free. Ai was a true version
Speaker 2: of himself. Culture is drastically changed. He started doing crossovers
Speaker 2: Da da Da da. Peoples like what drastically changed? All right?
Speaker 2: AI two, I would say, Snoop Dogg. Okay, Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2: He's actually a very good friend of mine now, which
Speaker 2: I'm blessed to say. That's that's a o g un.
Speaker 2: And he is so well diversified that I am so amazed,
Speaker 2: just so amazed. He is a part of everything because
Speaker 2: that's where he is. Nickelodeon, super Bowl, NFL Honors DJ
Speaker 2: I DJ. Now you know he's a smoker. He didn't
Speaker 2: let people say, well, you gotta stop stop smoking. He
Speaker 2: was the true version of himself and it set him
Speaker 2: free and and he set himself free. And he'd be anywhere,
Speaker 2: white house, don't matter. If he can't do it, he'd
Speaker 2: he's not going. And I respect that right. He knows
Speaker 2: his worth. Also, oil back that with Shaquille O'Neill. Why
Speaker 2: Shaquille O'Neill and Stoop Dogg Snoop Dogg is a skinny,
Speaker 2: Shack is the big Also both are hand in hand,
Speaker 2: which is being their true self. Shaq is a goofball,
Speaker 2: He's funny. He's just gonna be shocked. And that's just
Speaker 2: what you were going to get. And I respect that.
Speaker 2: And you know, if I could paint a picture of
Speaker 2: what you know, Jesus Christ looks like, because we don't
Speaker 2: know who he really looks like. If I can paint
Speaker 2: a picture of what he really looks like, he will
Speaker 2: be painted on Mount Rushmore with those other three greats
Speaker 2: under him in life, because you know God is first.
Speaker 3: Look great, that's a great one. And will Will said, well,
Speaker 3: put yes, great pictures for all that. All right, Well
Speaker 3: appreciate you coming on the things you run anytime to
Speaker 3: come to the park I got. You know, we appreciate you,
Speaker 3: you know, not sweating out the braids and just you know,
Speaker 3: sacrificing one of the T shirts.
Speaker 1: So we we appreciate the love that you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest, man, I will now be a
Speaker 3: much bigger fan of you as well. I appreciate that
Speaker 3: no doubt man. You You're thoroughly impressive. You got great energy.
Speaker 3: I didn't know who you are truly, and I get
Speaker 3: to see the true version of yourself.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: And you are free.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Free, you act free, you handle yourself and represent yourself
Speaker 3: as a free dude who knows who he is.
Speaker 2: And uh you already snow snow you already, yeah snow,
Speaker 2: no snow today. I appreciate you, by the thanks by
Speaker 2: for sure.