1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Dlam Jason Kelly alongside Alex Rodriguez. A. Right, 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: today we are at the Big Power Players event in 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: New York City. We've got a couple of big interviews 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: lined up. We're gonna be on stage with a lot 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: of powerful sports people doing our thing. But today you're 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: gonna hear our conversation with Pau Gasol. This guy, Alex 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: he blew me away. I mean, his experience as a 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: player now is an investor, He's got a huge amount 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: of ambition. 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: I mean, for me, the two takeaways was the breath 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 3: of his experience globally and what an asset he can 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 3: be not only to the NBA and to the w 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: but to all leagues because he really has a really 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: good understanding. I think our listeners are going to really 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 3: like it. 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, some amazing insights from him. You know, this is 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: a guy who really was in one of the key 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: waves of international players coming into the league. We take 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: this for granted now. I know you probably take it 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: for granted even and a little bit given some of 23 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: the superstars you have on your roster, you know, but 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: this was something that really dates back, and he talks 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: about some key moments in his hometown of Barcelona that 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: really set him, you know, on a path not just 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: to be a star, but as you say, to sort 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: of pay the way for this next generation. So a 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: really fun conversation coming up next to Pelgasol. Welcome back 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: to the DAL. I'm your host, Jason Kelly, alongside my 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: partner Alex Rodriguez. So excited to have with us today. 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: Pau Gasol. He is a Hall of Fame basketball player, 33 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: he's an investor, a man about town, a man about 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: the world. How really good to see you. Thanks for 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: joining us. 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: Oh my pleasure, Jason, thank you for having me. Alex. 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to see you. 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. So let's jump right in. I mean, how you 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: sit at such an interesting nexus of the things that 40 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: we care most about, you know, business, sports, culture, And 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: one of the things that strikes me is this moment 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: where we are in the game of basketball, and in 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: a lot of ways, your career anticipated and was a 44 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: harbinger of where we are today. It's a global game, 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: it's international. We take that for granted now, but you 46 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: were really on the on the front end of that. 47 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: Tell us sort of how basketball got so popular over 48 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: these intervening years as a global game. 49 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a process, right, If it's been a long, 50 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: long term process. I think it starts a lot with 51 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: international competitions. You know how probably the US teams in 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Olympics and World Championships before there were college players. And 53 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: how the probably the latest championships before the ninety two 54 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: Olympics kind of led to USA basketball sending finally a 55 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: team with the best professional players, the big Boys. The 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: big Boys. Yeah, the original dream team that happened to 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: be in my home country, in my natal city of 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: Barcelona in ninety two, when I just turned twelve years old. 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: So obviously that that team inspired I think a lot 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: of kids around the globe and showed how basketball could 61 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: be played at the highest level and give us a 62 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: dream to a lot of kids. So I think that 63 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: that was a big, big moment. You saw already great 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: international players playing the game at that at that time, 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: Saboni's Marsha, Leni's cool coach, you know, Raja players, Devas, 66 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: a lot of Devas that also was one of the 67 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: first guys. And you also saw the Rick Smiths, the 68 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: deadline shrimps. You know, you got that first wave of 69 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: international players. It was like, there's great talented players outside 70 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: of the US that play at a high level. And 71 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: that brought us to the second wave of players, you know, 72 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: with the derk Novisky's, with the Tony Parkers, the under 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: Kilnkos and bejos Soyakovic myself. That took it a step further, 74 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: and then I think gave more confidence to NBA teams 75 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: to continue to invest and spend time outside of the 76 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: US borders to look for outside talent, develop outside talent too, 77 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: and you kind of take a gamble if you will, 78 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: or invest in them and gave them an opportunity. So yeah, 79 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: I think the basketball the NBA has done a great 80 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: job also doing all kinds of stuff and efforts outside 81 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: of the US, playing global games, basketball without borders, Junior 82 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: or NBA. There's a lot of basketball academies now, so 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: they've done a great job also putting a lot of 84 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: time and effort and investment outside of that, allowing the 85 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: game to grow, the business to grow, and the game 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: to become so global. 87 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: And so as you think about sort of where we 88 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: are today, Pow, as you mentioned, you know, there's sort 89 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: of the first wave, you're part of the second wave, 90 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: and then there's this probably third wave that we're living in. 91 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: And you know, I think about Alex's team in Minnesota. 92 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: He's got a couple international players who are absolute superstars, 93 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: you know, really bear to sort of being the veteran 94 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: And it came into play in the draft as well. 95 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: How does the game think about, especially from the NBA's perspective, 96 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: you know, really making its imprint on Europe in a 97 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: way that both sort of respects what's already there but 98 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: also leverages its own power as a business, the NBA 99 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: that is, So how would you think about that? What's 100 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 2: your advice there? 101 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think the NBA is working proactively in that 102 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: particular matter, precisely with the establishment or launching of a 103 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: potential NBA European League, because the European League model has 104 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: not worked very well. We have, it's a great product, 105 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: great level of basketball, all the arenas are packed, it 106 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: doesn't make money. My opinion is that it's just been 107 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: poorly governed and the model it just needs to evolve 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: and change. So you know that that's where the opportunity lies, 109 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: that's where the need is, and that's what it's been 110 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of in the works for a couple of years, 111 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: more proactively and intensively, and now we get into a 112 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: point that we're finally seeing the light on that aspect, 113 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: and it's very exciting because all it's going to do, 114 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: I think, is provide the European League with i think 115 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: a much more competitive side and edge, and hopefully a 116 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: league that can grow and get to have teams that 117 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: are able to compete with the best teams in the NBA, 118 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: and also for players to be able to have the 119 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: option that there's no such a big gap from the 120 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: level or the salaries, let's say, and it's more uniformed, 121 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: and we'll see how it evolves and what the potential 122 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: of growth is there. But there's no question that the 123 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: NBA has become very international within itself at US and 124 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: American soil. We're just trying to see this in a 125 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: great spot. Obviously, we're seeing the latest sales, the evaluations 126 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: continue to grow, so it's great to see, very exciting. 127 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: It's also great to see how the women's game is 128 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: also growing and evolving and finally getting the impact, the 129 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: relevance also and the notoriety that it deserved. So it's 130 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: exciting times It's exciting times for basketball, exciting times for sports. 131 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: There's there's eruption, there's investment. There's a lot going on 132 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: and a lot happening. But that's why we need great 133 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: people also to take responsibility, to be able to define 134 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: this new direction and take a little bit the reins 135 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: of where sport is going and where you can. 136 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: Go pressures on you, Alex. Yeah. 137 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: Following up on Jason Powell, you know, there's some similarities 138 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: between Major League Baseball and what Latin America was to 139 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: MOB baseball. I was just incredible talent pool. Probably thirty 140 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: forty percent of MB baseball came from Latin America, whether 141 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: it's Dominican, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba. Thirty percent of the league 142 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: comes from outside of the US. So I'm fairly new 143 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: to the NBA and the w What advice would you 144 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: give my partner and I mark on how do we 145 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: put our best foot forward on a global stage so 146 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: players like you, the next twelve year old can say, boy, 147 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: I want to be in Minnesota Timberwolves or I want 148 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: to go play for the Minnesota Links. What can we 149 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: do better or more of? 150 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, I'll have to see what you guys 151 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: are already doing to give you a better and more 152 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: accurate response there, But it. 153 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: Sounds like you should hire Pal as a consultant. Alex, 154 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm looking at this happening right here 155 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: in front. 156 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: Of me opening. But at any time, Yeah, obviously you 157 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: have to. I think you have to get people with 158 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: with a different, different view, experience and background that kind 159 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: of think out outside of the box a little bit 160 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: and and and can provide some some ideas that will 161 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: complement yours and your partners. Definitely. I think people that 162 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: did have that global background or an international background and 163 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 1: getting get him involved in the franchise. One of the 164 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: opportunities challenges is to how do you get you know, 165 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: former players more involved and playing a significant role that 166 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: provides value to teams, beyond the player development, beyond on 167 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: the coaching, beyond the broadcasting, beyond the kind of the 168 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: more traditional, let's say avenues. To me, I think one 169 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: of the issues is kind of providing more education to 170 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,239 Speaker 1: some of those players to be able to vertialize, express 171 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: and channel the knowledge and experience that they have in 172 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: order to provide value to professional franchises, leagues and so forth. 173 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: There's definitely something that I you know, continue to do 174 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: well as far as marketing the product overseas, put your 175 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: name in the pool, as far as like hey, we'd 176 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: love to go play games in these markets, you know, 177 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: whether the preseasons where the regular seasons, like we're seeing 178 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: games in Pairers London that have have happened and will 179 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: continue to happen. So just just continue to get out 180 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: of that comfort zone to put your franchise name in 181 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: the global stage. Obviously, you have a great team right 182 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: now that has been very close to get into that 183 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: that final stage and just continue. That's obviously something that 184 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: you have to take advantage of. As you know, there's 185 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: there's windows in professional sports. You know, you don't know 186 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: when that window is going to close, so you got 187 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: to maximize it at all levels in order to produce 188 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: those waves that will have an effect meet to long 189 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: term within your franchise, on your club. So you're doing 190 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: you guys are doing a great job. I'm excited to 191 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: see you playing these role. Alex. You've been an incredible 192 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: ambassador for for sport, for baseball obviously, but beyond that, 193 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: and I love to see it. 194 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, and so pow you know, sort 195 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: of synthesizing a couple of things you've been talking about. 196 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you think about these windows of opportunity. You know, 197 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: you mentioned the opportunities around women's basketball and specifically the 198 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: w I believe you've invested, you know in WW and 199 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: so tell us about the decision to do that and 200 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: sort of where you see this going over the next 201 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: few years. Because Alex is living it every day as 202 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: the governor of the LINKS, I see it, you know 203 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: through my work. This is a critical moment and nothing 204 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 2: is guaranteed. 205 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I was part of the executive committee on 206 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: the NBP for a few years and one of the 207 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: topics that kind of came, but what's kind of recurring. 208 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: I would say, how can we help the women? How 209 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: can we help the w n B A And it 210 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: was all the conversations were a lot about we got 211 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: to support him monetarily. It was like, okay, well that's 212 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: that's good, and that sure helps in the short term, 213 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: but what can we do in the longer term? I said, Okay, 214 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: we got to get more involved in the game. Yes, 215 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: go into games, help supporting our women athletes, endorsing the game, 216 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: being ambassadors, being allies, all that is great, all the above, 217 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: but now, can we can we invest? Can we commit 218 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: to it, you know and believe in it? Because to me, 219 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: part of it too was you know, obviously Kobe's legacy 220 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: an example. You know, he had four daughters. You know, 221 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: he had Gigi was going to be a phenomenal player 222 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: and was a phenomenal player. So he was already doing 223 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: a lot to create that momentum. So I just wanted to, 224 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, kind of follow suit a little bit. I'm 225 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: a girl dad myself. I wanted my girl. I want 226 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: my girl to have the same opportunities as my son does. 227 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: There's been this huge gap between women's sports and men's sports, 228 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: So that was one way for me. That was an 229 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: opportunity that came. It was a capital race due to COVID. 230 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: The league needed capital, and I was able to hear 231 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: about this opportunity having good relationships, having nurtured good relationships, 232 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: and he said, hey, do you want to invest in 233 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: this round? I said yes, absolutely, so I jumped in. 234 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: And now I'm looking into investing in a WNBA franchise directly, 235 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: and I've been talking to several to see which one 236 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: makes the most sense for me to be involved with 237 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: and invest directly. I love to see how the game 238 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: is growing. I was at the All Star weekend in 239 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: Indianapolis with my wife supporting the game, supporting the event again, 240 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: developing more relationships there as well. And I'm looking at 241 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: a lot of different other you know, women's sports that 242 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: I that I could be a part of and invest 243 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: me being part of the International Olympic Committee and being 244 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: a member there. I just want to see sports continue 245 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: to grow because with technology growing as fast as it is, 246 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: we just kind of counter it with balance, and sports 247 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: gives gives our kids so many great avenues to develop 248 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: and to grow up healthy. And that's that's also part 249 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: of what I what I want to continue to do. 250 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's interesting too pout it to think 251 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: about it. You know. Is this blend of you know, 252 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: obviously having had the experience as an athlete as you 253 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: both have, and understanding the power of sports, but also 254 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: understanding this is a growth investment area. We're all about 255 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: deals here, I mean presumably part of what you're seeing 256 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: here because you're also a very savvy investor. You know, 257 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: you have Gasol sixteen Ventures, which is sort of your 258 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: consolidated effort is it fair to say you see sort 259 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: of like accelerated upside in women's sports as well. 260 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I truly do. There was a point in 261 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: time when I made that investment, there was like investing 262 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: in women's sports not the right thing, but it's good business. 263 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it. 264 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: Wasn't just like, oh, we feel morally compelled to invest 265 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: and support women's sports. No, it's actually a really good business. 266 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: There was a smart thing to do. Yes, it has 267 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: other implications, but from the business standpoint, you know, if 268 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: we start shifting kind of the money the way it's 269 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: been invested in sports, we'll see the results. We'll see 270 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: the returns in many different ways. So yes, that's kind 271 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: of I totally believe in that, and that's why I'm 272 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: also doing that as well, because I'd see great opportunities 273 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: and I see great growth going forward. 274 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: Why don't you shift a little bit to your Laker days. 275 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: I know that you and I share something in common 276 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: and where we both played for two storied franchises, the 277 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 3: Yankees and the Lakers, as really as big as they get. 278 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: I played for an iconic owner and George Steinbrunner, and 279 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: you felt his presence every day. You still do when 280 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: he's passed almost fifteen years ago. I'm wondering, how was 281 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: your experience with Doctor Buss and Jeanie Buss. I've always 282 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: been a big Laker fan. I used to love Showtime 283 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: with pat Riley and Magic against the Celtics and Larry 284 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: Bird and that crew. In your opinion and your experience, 285 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: obviously winning two titles helps. Was there anything you learned 286 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: from Doctor Buss or the family on what makes the 287 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: Lakers such an incredible franchise. 288 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was something that was very embedded, I think 289 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: to the family, you know, the feeling, the passion for 290 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: the Lakers. How he was able to really turn around 291 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: and create an iconic franchise having moved from Minneapolis. The 292 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: whole deal has just been you know, it's an incredible story. 293 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: When Genie took over, I think she's done an unbelievable 294 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: job to doing that kind of carrying over her dad 295 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: and her family's legacy. It was a family business and 296 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: he was almost run as such. And there's a special 297 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: care that goes into when you kind of go all 298 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: in and that's your wealth, that's your life, you know, 299 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: that's you leave and breathe it. You know, he was 300 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: a pioneer, a genius, a great mind that added things 301 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: that impacted the not just the Lakers, but the league 302 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: and its entirety. So I have great respect for doctor Buss, 303 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: great respect for the family, obviously honor that I was 304 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: able to be a part and I'm a part of 305 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: that franchise forever having my name retired in the rafters 306 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: along all the greatest Lakers of all time. So obviously 307 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: that's been one of my biggest honors that my not 308 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: just my career, with my life now exciting to to see. 309 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: I think how all that hard working commitment has paid 310 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: off with the latest sell ten billion dollars dollars of valuation. 311 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: And we hope to be just as exciting as a 312 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: previous one or as a current one. And obviously always 313 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: will be rooting for my Lakers and hoping that they 314 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: do great, and hope that I cannot to that picture 315 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: as well in some shape or form. 316 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: And pal Obviously, the time of the Lakers establishes one 317 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: of the most important relationships in your life. Your friendship, 318 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: deep friendship and connection with Kobe Bryant and his family, 319 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: a relationship with his family that I know continues to 320 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: this day. I wonder from your perspective, what you learned 321 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: from Kobe as a businessman, because he was a deal maker, 322 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 2: probably unlike many we've seen. Alex obviously is his top 323 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: tier magic who's been on the show is top tier. 324 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: But you know, Kobe, it's sad to think about, like 325 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: how much more he could have done as a businessman. 326 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 2: And I'm sure you think about it all the time, 327 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: But what did you learn from him that you apply 328 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: as a deal maker? 329 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what I'm learn from him is, you know, 330 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: he shifted kind of his mama mentality into the business 331 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: side or into every aspect really that he got involved 332 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: with after brasketball, and he was like, we're the best 333 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: in the business. Let me reach out to him, let 334 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: me ask questions, kind of the same thing that he 335 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: did with Michael as a mentor. You know, he said, hey, man, 336 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: he is the guy that I want to be like. Well, 337 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: then that when I surpassed, not just be like, I 338 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: want to be better than him. He's the best, he's 339 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: the goat. Great. I'm going to I'm going to learn 340 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: from him. I'm going to just you know, call him 341 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: up anytime and ask him questions and and I want 342 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: to you know, be better than him. So same same 343 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: thing I think I think he did as a business 344 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: or on the business side. He just identified people that 345 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: were doing a great job or were some of the 346 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: best in the business and connected with him and proactively 347 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: just kind of got together with him and created great 348 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: relationships and channel that that drive, that unique drive that 349 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: he had into the business side, into doing you know, 350 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: when even winning an oscar. So, Okay, we're going to 351 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: do a short film, to do a short film, but 352 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: I want to make the best short film you know 353 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: there is, and I'm going to partner and learn from 354 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: the best, and we're going to put a great team, 355 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: just as you would do in sports, and get after 356 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: the championship, you know. And that's that's in the I 357 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: guess in the movie side, movie world is winning an oscar, 358 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, same thing in business. And he was doing 359 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: stuff to also help his peers because there's a lot 360 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: of athletes that are I won't say lost, but I'll 361 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: say maybe they do. They do lack of direction and 362 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: proper structure around him and guidance. So he wanted to 363 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: help athletes to be more educated, to provide them with 364 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: opportunities and avenues for them to be financially stable for 365 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, which is the you know, 366 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: the greatest part of our of their life or of 367 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: our life being former athletes. So how can we do that? 368 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: How can we address that issue where most athletes, pro 369 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: athletes that have won and earned millions of dollars go 370 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: bankrupt within a few years of their retirement. So he 371 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: was trying to address that issue, so again learning, asking questions, 372 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: identifying who's the best reaching out, he said, I don't 373 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: want to be the smartest guy in the room. I 374 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: want to surround myself with great smart people. And I'll 375 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: add to that, you know. And that's kind of what 376 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: I've learned from him a lot. I think that's something 377 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: that Magic also has said also on different occasions. He said, 378 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: I don't know much about business, but I know he does. 379 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk to him and you know, 380 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: and I'm going to use my platform and my success 381 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: as an athlete that provides me with that access, a 382 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: unique access, and I'm going to maximize it and I'm 383 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: going to take advantage of So. 384 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: Pow I had a really strong relationship with Kobe and 385 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: we were contemporaries and where we came around the similar 386 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: time we both entered the league as teenagers. When my 387 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: knee was hurting, he basically screamed at me and said, 388 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: you got to get to Germany and go take care 389 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: of it. I did. It worked really well, and I 390 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: came back and played well and my knee felt great 391 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: after that. But I remember he would watch the Yankee 392 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 3: games on the S Network and he would say, Hey, 393 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: call me, and he would tell me, don't forget who 394 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 3: the f you are, don't worry about the booze, don't 395 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 3: worry about this, just go be you. And then he 396 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 3: would start telling me, like to start getting my elbow lower. 397 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 3: And that's when I said, okay, sob, I got this. 398 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: That's when I had Yeah, yeah, I draw the line. 399 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: But shifting Jason's question on the court, what was it 400 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: about him that you learned? And I'm sure you taught 401 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: each other a lot, But what was it about him 402 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 3: that made him so special that made it so much 403 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: fun to play with? 404 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: I guess his desire to be the best. His work 405 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: ethic was just incredible, The level of dedication and commitment 406 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, he had his incredible, outstanding drive to win, 407 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: and he understood. I think there was a point in 408 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: time he understood, like every great player in the history, 409 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: that he cannot do it alone. So he also understood 410 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: he needed to lead. Not many or any could kind 411 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: of put in the work the way he would put 412 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: in the work. So it's just remarkable. I mean, I 413 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: can you know, there's you know, there's something about you know, 414 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: we got to push our limits, and our limits are 415 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: usually much further than what we think they are. So 416 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: he pushed his limits. You know, he pushed himself. He 417 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: was extremely focused. 418 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: How kiper listeners an example of his work ethic or 419 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: him not being content or him calling you up and 420 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: saying how we got to get better? Or does he 421 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 3: show up at four in the morning? Maybe sure, a 422 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: couple of those. 423 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was from from the moment that 424 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: I landed with the team in DC. Landed around midnight, 425 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: and I would get to the hotel around bas midnight, 426 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: and he said, Power, I need to I want to 427 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: see you when you get to the hotel. I whant 428 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: to come to you. I'm going to come to your room. 429 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: I said, okay, well, you know it's going to be late. 430 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: I have to do media. You know, it might be 431 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: like one thirty the team has a game at noon 432 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: the next day, like, we can, certainly you don't have 433 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: to wait up for me. You can. You can talk 434 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: tomorrow in the morning when when you get your rest. 435 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: I said, no, no, I'm coming to see you. It 436 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what time it is. So even from that moment, Wow, 437 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, he kind of like already was telling me. 438 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, this is important, this is a priority, 439 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: this is you know, this is how it's going to be. 440 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: So it was one thirty when I got to my 441 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: room and I hit him up as I am in 442 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: my room. Three minutes later, he was in my room 443 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: to specifically deliver me the message like, hey, great to 444 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: have you. I'm so excited. It's great. You're a great player. 445 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Now let's go win a championship. There's a sense of 446 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: urgency of like we're going to make a run. And 447 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: we made a run. We made a run. We ended 448 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: up first in the conference that in those two months 449 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: after I joined. He won his only MVP of the 450 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: season that year, and we made it to the finals. 451 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: We did lose against the Celtics, but that loss in 452 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: that process helped us win the next two for sure. 453 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: So that's one example, and that he said the tone. 454 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's many others like and then it's 455 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: like yes, when he needed to say something, he would 456 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: say like, hey, I needed to come over with my 457 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: room and watch tape, watch the tay, watch a couple 458 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: of clips. Boom boom boom. Go. Yeah, We'll go into 459 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: the room. He's icing his feed. He's like, dude, he's 460 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: taking care of himself. He's like, hey, see this play, 461 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: see this place. That is exactly what we need to do. 462 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: Is what we need to do tomorrow. Okay, great, all right, 463 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: have a good night. It's just like all about really 464 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: business but really focus, very determined, and that's where you know, 465 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: you know, this is this is a different level. You know, 466 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: this is like hey, because sometimes teammates and athletes are 467 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: more like you know, within their own stuff. They don't 468 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: want to I don't want to call anybody, I want 469 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: to text anybody. It's like, hey, we're we're in this together. 470 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: We have to develop this top of bomb. We've got 471 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: to be on the same page in order. Because adversity 472 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: hits right, adversity hits. Playoffs are tough. Everybody wants to win. 473 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: Everybody feels like you have a chance. Right, you're in 474 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: the playoffs, you have a shot. But like, what is 475 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: going to separate the team that wins against the other teams. 476 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: It's not just talent, you know, you have to have 477 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: that ban to be able to get through those adverse times, 478 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: those critical times. Is that one play, that one possession 479 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: that can flip or shift a serious or a game. 480 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: So it makes it makes a big difference. 481 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna wrap up. We're gonna do a 482 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: quick lightning round five questions. Just say the first thing 483 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: that comes to your mind, what's the best piece of 484 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 2: advice you've received on deal making your business? 485 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: To me, I always look at two things. Is the 486 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: leadership is knowing the business, understanding how it works, and 487 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: really believing in the impact of that business and the 488 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: mission intransic mission of the business. So if those three 489 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: things kind of you know, kind of are in place, 490 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: I have a good chance of jumping or jumping and 491 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: investing in being part of it. 492 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: Okay, who's your dream deal making partner? 493 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think David Blitzer would be a great partner. 494 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: I think Alan Waxman, who's a good friend. We are 495 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: actually partners. I've invested one of the things that I 496 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: haven't mentioned. But I also invested in the AFC team 497 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: n WSL. 498 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah as well, two pretty good ones. 499 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we're partners there and I want to continue 500 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: to be, you know, be partners. I think once there's 501 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: an alignment, there's an understanding. You know, there's chemistry, there's respect, 502 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: there's honesty between between in trust within partners, you value 503 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: each other, you can do a lot of things and 504 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: that's exciting. That's exciting to find that find that person 505 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: or that group that you want to just do stuff together. 506 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: You know. All Right, which team do you want to 507 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: see win a championship more than any? 508 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I have to say the Lakers or behind 509 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: uh one, I guess again with with the Celtics, So 510 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: I have to I have to go with the Lakers obviously. 511 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: Any any team that I've played for, I would love 512 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: to see them win a championship. I would love for 513 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: the Greases at some point to win a championship. Those 514 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: another the franchise that invested in me early on or 515 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: you know, when I first got into the league. But 516 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: at the same time, I was happy to see Oklahoma 517 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: City win win the championship this year. I think the 518 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: team that earns it. You know, congratulations, I'm happy for you. 519 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a. 520 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, i'mlies have to go through the walls. 521 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: They have a good chance, they have a good chance. 522 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: They gotta two years of being closed, and it's like 523 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: this is like we gotta we gotta step it up. 524 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: We gotta gotta go for the next. 525 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: Step, close the deal. All right, here we go. 526 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 3: What's your hype song before you go into a big 527 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 3: meeting or negotiation? 528 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: Wow, tough one. Yeah, I mixed it up. I always 529 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: mixed it up. I didn't I guess. I guess there's 530 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: different times where I play list going into games. I'm more. 531 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: I was getting more and more hype for those big 532 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: games or or championships and so forth. You know that 533 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: I needed to, you know, get that edge. But yeah, 534 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm still I still haven't got at that level in 535 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: business where I'm like, Okay, let me get let me 536 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: hide myself up, get into that killer mode going into 537 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: this mini because I'm gonna freaking kill it. You know, 538 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: that's something that I'm excited. You know, that's like, Alex, 539 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: I hope I can be you know, part of those 540 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: those type of moments and deals and negotiations where I'm like, 541 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: let's go, let me get let me hear you, well 542 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: you will. Yeah, all right. 543 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: So finally, Pow, what's your advice for someone listening who 544 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: wants a career like yours to me? 545 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: Dream big? You know, do what you love, pursue it, 546 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, do whatever whatever you need to do. Just 547 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: scott it. You got to be all in, surround yourself, 548 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: put yourself in situations are challenging, are uncomfortable. You know, 549 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: the better the competition, the better you'll be. And don't 550 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: be afraid. Just go after it to live once, you know, 551 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: don't let somebody else take that spot or be be 552 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: that person. Better yourself, believe in yourself, get after it. 553 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: All right. Well, we enjoyed talking to you. Thank you 554 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: so much, Pal Gasol, an investor, Hall of Famer, all 555 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: around good guy. 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