WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Jazzy Jeff (Part 2) 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.800 Of Course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:08.840 classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.240 and gentlemen, Welcome to Part two of Dj Jazzy Jeff 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:13.360 on QLs Classic. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:14.960 Now this is a little bit different. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.479 Part one was courtesy of August twenty eighteen. We didn't 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.239 even get to part two until almost a full year later. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:27.120 So here we are May fifteenth, twenty nineteen, almost a 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.440 year later, with the great DJ Jazzy Jeff Part two 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:32.959 QLs Classic. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:33.839 Let's go. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.720 Were we even breathe in two thousand? 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:40.839 Right? 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:59.360 Sma roll suprima, supremo, roll suprima, so prevo suprimah should 0:00:59.360 --> 0:00:59.720 it seven? 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.960 Yeah? And Jessie Jeff repequestion, Yeah, I can't agree. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:12.600 So suppriva roll called, Suprema Suprema roll call. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:13.840 My name is Fante. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.160 Yeah, and I'm just kicking. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:21.880 It yeah on ql S. Yeah, with the magnificent Roma. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:28.360 So supprevo roll call, Suprema so supremo. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:32.040 Roll called. My name is Sugar, Yeah, Yeah, I'm always high. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:32.640 Yeah. 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:34.839 Can we interview? Yeah? 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:35.800 This guy. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:43.520 Sore supriva roll call, supriva sou so. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:47.119 Suprema roll call. First you grabbed the hat Yeah, then 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:48.000 you grip the hat. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.240 Yeah, then you flip the hat. Yeah, make sure it's 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.600 a Scotter Cato Suprema Son. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.680 Some Supreva roll called. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.600 That was Upprema Son Son Supremo. 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:00.440 Roll call. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:01.680 I'm on pay Bill. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:06.360 Yeah, don't get it silly. Yeah, how could today? Yeah 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.359 anymore Philly roll. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:16.440 Call Sun Suprema roll Suprema Sun Sun Supremo. Roll call. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:22.560 Yeah back with Jeff. Yeah, a better Aquarius. Yeah, I 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:23.519 ain't met one yet. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:24.760 Roll call. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:31.639 Supreme Supremo Supremo. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:36.280 Roll came. My name is Jeff. Yeah this is true. Yeah, 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.320 I'm back on QLs. Yeah for part two. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:47.679 Roll call Supreva Sun Sun Supremo. Roll call Suprema Sun Supremo. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:54.200 Roll call Suprema Sun Sun Supremo. Roll call Suprema Sun 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.200 So Supreme roll. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.320 Call starter cap Okay. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:03.000 Okay, other role all would have been something about nine Yeah. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:05.000 That one. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.200 Okay, all right soon bell Yo. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:17.720 Shout out to bost Bill, who made it explicitly clear 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.040 that he didn't want any eating on this show. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.480 And yeah we know why, right, I should have Yeah, 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:26.280 I should have listened. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.200 It was almost died call like we have this. Shout 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:31.120 out to the studio. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.280 We're still at uh in our Philly pilgrimage where at 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:40.520 the Milk Boy Studio aka the studio, and they're fancy 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:41.680 cheese here and. 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:43.880 Fancy cheese. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.160 There's something about there's something about when that organ shrill starts, 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:53.040 there's a level of panic in the air, and like 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:59.400 the intro, that's. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.000 That's some early QLs reference for our listeners. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.000 Yeah, and I heard it. 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.600 Oh yeah, my my love for Latin quarter stories. Yes, 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:11.120 when those drums happened, that means someone's getting their ass 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:12.800 beat at the Latin quarter. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:14.200 When that when those rules come in. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.080 Yeah, but when I heard the organ thing, I was like, oh, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.840 I'm eating cheese. Oh I don't know, I'll swallow it 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:20.320 real quick. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:26.360 And then that was it. I was choking. So this 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.560 is a historical first, ladies and gentlemen, we have our 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:37.920 first repeat guests knew this movement was happening, kind of wow, well, okay, 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:39.840 half the people weren't here at the time when Jeff 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.360 came before. So this is this is the full the 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.000 full throttle Jazzy Jeff episode with all the members present. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.840 But would you like to tell them why we had 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:50.600 to have a part two? 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.040 Why we didn't even get the Will Smith. Yeah, Will 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.159 Smith was not even interpart. Woo, So we can start 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.280 like the Biggie record previously over. He did die? So, Jeff, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.000 you were five years old when you got your first 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.320 All right, Jeff, so in nineteen seventy eight. All right? 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:14.679 We ended talking about the DMC battle and how Jeff 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:15.640 wanted to It's one. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:16.719 Of my favorite episodes. 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.200 I actually wow, not only mind narcissistic, I'm also a 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:21.600 sponge full of information. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:23.479 I remembered that. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.400 He used the wrong turn tables and still won the 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.359 battle against was it DJ Cheese? 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:39.880 Yes, okay Cheese, that's ironic. You used like a belt 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.920 drawer direct? What was wrong? It was two setups and 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.920 one of them wasn't acting right, and everybody that used 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:51.640 that setup lost, and he dissed me, and I got 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.640 mad and I wanted to beat him on the bad setup. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.640 So I did beat him. So I did it? 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:03.880 He whoofed his ass? Yes? So then once you're crown king, uh, 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:06.080 what happens? 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.080 Like? I mean, they gave me a big cup and 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.880 you like all of the all of the DMCs after 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.479 that or the New Music seminars, they gave a belt 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.080 and they gave me a cup. I mean I appreciate 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:20.479 the cup. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.800 You know, first you take the cup. Yeah, but you 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.159 know I can't. I came home. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.080 I can't. The funny thing is I came home and 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:34.800 went straight to W Das because you know, did you cut? 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.320 Did you cut? Is that the night that you cut? Baby, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.440 let's go go. You went to Das. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:49.920 This is in the eighties, and you stayed on the 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.000 only thing that a musquite and you cut big chump beat, 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.000 a big drum beater four minutes straight. And it's what 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.320 they that wasn't me, No, no, no, no, you were 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:01.960 cutting it for a street. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.039 Yes, you were cutting big jump. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:04.800 Yes. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.920 I don't know if it's after this night particular. No, 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:08.800 I probably wasn't. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.000 Well, you know we we lived in d A, Yes, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.480 you know we we we had kind of had car 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.760 blocks that you just kind of show up stop. Yeah. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.240 Yeahs was like that. I like that. Yeah, shout out 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.280 to uh everyone a d s uh j Ones and 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.960 and well j Ones. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:32.240 Is now uh uh uh he's like the record, he's 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:32.720 a record. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.880 J Ones is now the right hand man of DJA. Yeah. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.560 But you know that was doing the workdays. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:40.480 That's great. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.640 I mean that had their Yeah Mixed show at Friday 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.600 nights between like nine thirty and Cut Master Butter and 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.520 uh cut What was his name, Lawrence Levon? 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:08:00.640 Uh, that's also the night that Larry he's a guy 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:01.080 from Philly. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:02.320 Yeah. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.880 There's always these glorious names that if your name, if 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.720 you're a French name in black, dude, you're that's quite glorious. 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.560 So I guess we can start with how did you 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:14.360 meet Will Smith? 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:20.280 Oh? Okay, Well, you know, back back then, it wasn't 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.400 uh like a bunch of really big groups, you know, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.840 it was it was everybody had a DJ on their 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.080 block and then they we would all kind of get together, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.240 you know, at the wind the Hotel, Philadelphia, Wagoner's ball Room, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.959 just all of the spots in the city. So I 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.880 knew of Will. I knew, you know, he was on 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.199 the flyer with me for a couple of shows. So 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.400 I knew the group that he was with, this group, 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:53.719 the Hypnotic mcskay. Yeah, And it was crazy because this 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.520 is kind of well it's not kind of this is 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.120 pre cell phone, pre anything. This is like, yo, I 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:00.839 got to call you in the cre If you don't answer, 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:05.120 we're done, and somebody called me and said, hey, I 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.920 got a party for you on fifty ninth in Woodcrest tonight. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.880 And I picked up the phone and I called Ice, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.800 who is my MC? And Ice wasn't in the house. Wow, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.760 And you know, I was like, okay, you know, I 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.360 got to go and do it. So, you know, we 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.400 jumped in the car. We drove up there. Come to 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.920 find out there was two doors away from Will. So 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.199 when I came and set up, of course, you know 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.040 Will and I want to come down in the basement 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.160 and kind of see who's doing the party, and then 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.480 realized it was me. It was like, oh man. So 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.000 he was like, hey, where's Ice. I was like I couldn't. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.600 I couldn't find you. He's like, yo, you mine if 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.720 I rock, And I was like nah, And we got 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.920 on and it was just it was a anybody who 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:53.200 DJ's or anybody who raps for a good DJ knows 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:59.200 that there's this chemistry and you know, I my brain 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.760 works in bat alright, so I kind of know, like, listen, 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.559 your fourth bar is going to be your punchline for you. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.319 So I'm kind of like, yo, I'll drop out or 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.160 just do a scratch there and it was just but 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:15.120 it was also Will with somebody that watched and was like, Okay, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.480 Jeff does this with this hand, and he does this 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.600 with this hand. So he would tell me to do something, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.640 but he would always tell me to do it while 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.200 I was on the opposite hand to set it up 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.920 so for me to realize that he paid that much 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.600 attention and then him realized that I paid that much attention. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.679 It was kind of like one of those things like 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.199 I was like, Yo, this is the best night of 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.320 my life and this is crazy, and what you're doing tomorrow? 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.599 I got a party to do tomorrow and you know, 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.520 so essentially you two are having an affair with each other. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:49.080 Yeah, oh absolutely. How do you tell your respective cruise? 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:50.679 Well, how do you know? 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.280 I don't know how he handled it. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.400 I know you know what it was. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:57.800 It was. 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.840 It was a couple of shows that Will and Ice 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:06.120 did together and you could definitely tell the difference. Is 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:07.800 there an age difference between the two. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.520 Ice might be a little bit maybe two years older 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:18.680 than Will. Hmmm, so is that dog years and years? 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:20.360 Like no, no, no, no, no, no, Well you gotta 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.760 understand this was so early. You know, it might have 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.760 been twenty rap records out period, so we're not even 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.199 talking about the Rutgers. We're just talking about everybody. It was, 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.000 you know, it was a main cruise in Philly, right, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.520 and it was just kind of like what year is 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.079 by the way, eighty five? 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:44.880 Okay, eighty five? And it was it was notice was 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:45.520 it eighty five? 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.880 Yeah? It was eighty five. You're still cutting a shout. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.959 We're doing all of that, you know, we were doing 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:56.959 something with drum with a drum machine. I had a 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.360 routine that I did with a nine on nine that 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.360 was that I used to do this thing with a 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.520 nine on nine and this boss foot pedal that on 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.600 the back of the nine on nine there's a there's 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.640 a trigger out and and the trigger out is the 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.880 rim shot. So if you plug the boss foot pedal 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.400 up to the trigger out, anytime you hit the trigger out, 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:24.000 it's going to trigger the boss foot pedal. There was 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.599 a mic input on a boss foot pedal, So me 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.360 and Will used to do this thing called the copy 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.480 rock that all you have to do is program a 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.559 beat and just leave the space at the one that 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.760 if he was you know, it was almost like supreme 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.439 and he would say a punchline, and I would go 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.360 from record to play and it would automatically play, and 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.800 everybody was like, oh my god, Jeffrey Will, He's scratching 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.240 Will's voice. Yeah. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.640 Yeah, we was always ahead of Wow. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:58.480 Well you were always ahead of it, like you and technology. Nah. Listen. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.000 I did a session with Jim in two thousand and 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:06.199 six seven and he was recording vocals and ableton like 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:06.760 back then. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.280 I want to say, I found out about Final Scratch 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.280 from you. Yeah, yeah, somebody quoted you or something. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.880 Yeah, And I smoked my vote, my first baby pen 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:16.160 with you. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:22.760 I'm all the way across the board technology game. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:24.079 Listen. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.520 You know so about and how are you finding about? 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.000 You're not up on this next, like I don't think 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:32.760 I don't think you are? 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.240 You know you you you know. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.439 I grew up going downtown every day, going into funkal 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.920 Mark every day and staring at the equipment that you 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.960 can't afford, right, you know, and and then getting cool 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.679 with them, like you know, listen, I bought a I 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:52.360 bought an echo machine on layaway. People don't even understand 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.560 the layerway. I was going down there putting three dollars. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.719 They got mad at me because of course, you know, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.439 they got to write every time you put money on 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.040 the seat and my receipt that ship was going to 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.320 the backside three dollars, and they like, listen, man, why 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.719 don't you don't bring nothing down here less than the 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.400 twenty because I can't do three, you know. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.800 But it was just so I could get on the 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:16.320 mic and go. 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.320 Do it, do it, do it? Wait? 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.240 Were you were you ever that type of DJ where 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:23.960 you did your. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.560 Own listen, shut up, you gotta understand listen. I was 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.600 DJing before they were rappers. Wow, So like, what else 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.240 are you gonna do? You get on the mic, y 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.920 old shout out to such and such from fifty second 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:43.240 and Addison go curl girl, girl, your mama's coming. Yeah, right, 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:49.280 waiting for your mama's here. Yeah, I know them. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:55.520 So in doing these routines, then how do you guys, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.160 what's the next step? 0:14:58.280 --> 0:14:59.920 Is it? Word up records? And yeah? 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.320 Well you know what. Everything happened really fast because Will 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.680 was on his way to college. He was going to 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.680 M I T. Whoa, oh yeah he was. Will was 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:11.320 going to M I T. 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.680 Like he was. He was serious, and it was kind 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.560 of like we hooked up, like I want to say 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:24.240 that this party had to be sometime in maybe January. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.320 And and I know you'll remember this like Phillip, Philly 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.400 has a schedule. Philly has a calendar that you know 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.640 from you got January February as soon as March come. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.480 Bartram would always have the first prom of any of 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.320 the high schools, so that kicked off prim season. So 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.040 every Friday it's Bartum, then it's mass Bomb and such 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.120 and such and such. So if you were a DJ, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.720 listen you you worked, you know, not not even if 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.920 you didn't do the Prime, you went with GQ Joe 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.280 or for the after part after prom at the Wind, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.640 you know, either at the Wind or it was what 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.760 was the joint on parkside chronicopia parks I eat your 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.120 cornercope was the small ones, but all the schools they 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.320 had good money was on park side. 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.720 Wait time out, so spawn or engineer in the other 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:22.280 room is put his hands up for cornicopia side note. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.600 I went to the wrong corner coopia. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.200 Oh no, there's there's a corner coopia bar on fifty 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:33.360 second and Gerard, yeah, and I walked in that motherfucker 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:39.200 like no, fifty second right right, And it was not 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.640 the after So okay. So this is also because you 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:51.880 gotta also explain that with hip hop culture in the eighties, Uh, 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:57.160 we weren't going to the mainstream clubs or none of 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:57.720 those things. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.040 Like all this was it was rented ballrooms. Like the 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:03.200 Wind was a ballroom. 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.639 The Wind wasn't a club you rented to win, you 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.960 rented the hotel Philadelphia. We didn't have like I almost 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.640 want to say that the first club that we actually 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.199 had was after midnight. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.560 Wow, like after midnight was a specific was a club. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:26.080 Yeah, and you know that's what was the Spaghetti Factory. No, no, no, 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:30.960 I'm talking about the first after midnight was the what 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.119 was the eighth and Cherry. Yeah, the first after midnight 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.840 was eighth and Cherry. Eighth and Cherries was l l 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.240 understand the spaghetti warehouse after midnight. Oh, that ship lasted 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.359 about three months. That that had the potential to be 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.440 Philly's best club ever. And the people in the neighborhood 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.159 was like, nah, y'all not doing that here. Oh they 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.680 had a skating ringing after midnight. Yeah, listen, that was 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.840 that was open for about three months. Really yeah, wow, 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:04.240 but that that was That was eighth and Cherry Wow 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.960 that was eight and Cherry Boss Bill. Were we allowed 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:11.000 to play that freestyle? M No, I mean I rather 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:12.480 ask permission or. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:21.040 Apologize, you know, follow trying to figure out you got that? Yes, 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.080 you never heard it? Of course I heard it. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.800 I'm just shocked that you got Well, no, I'm not shocked. 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.159 Do you know who he? I forgot who? No, I 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:32.520 absolutely know who he is. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.640 So what historical shows that you've seen? 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:39.160 Listen? 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.320 I mean, you know everything that was that after midnight? 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.880 Because like I said, you know, once after midnight came, 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.719 we wasn't really going to the wind because we had 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.520 a club. You know, that was kind of like, yo, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.040 this ship is popping every week. So you would go 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.080 down there and you know, and and l would come through, 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.080 and Big Daddy Kane would come through, and Stetsy Sonic 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.399 would come through, and you know, it was it was 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.880 it was the home. I finally got Big Daddy came 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.920 to talk about the Jazz Fresh Battle. I got that. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.880 I got that. You have a battle on tape. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.000 I got that. Chef sounds like there's gonna be a 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.400 trade happening here. We don't ever trade. We just give 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.600 each other stuff. We don't call it trading. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:25.719 Okay, yeah, I say, by the way, by the way, 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:34.640 after midnight is definitely the Philly Latin Quarter, especially when 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.880 I mean a big part of Philly's presence in late 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.640 eighties hip hop also has to do with the fact 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:48.680 that because with the exception of the muscle of Carol 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:53.639 Lewis getting a fresh vest into maybe the Nassau Coliseum, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.200 Massive Square Garden really wasn't having that. So you really 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:02.840 couldn't get good hip hop in proper venues. Thus you 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.840 either going Latin Quarter or you're going down ninety. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:09.200 Five yeah to Philly to do uh dispatch the midnight 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.359 Yeah yeah, oh right, the spectrum of course for that stuff. 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.119 So how do you guys, how do you put. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.320 Routines together when it's time to do How long are 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:21.640 these DJ gigs for starters? 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:22.320 Oh? 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.720 Man, you was playing for an hour? Wait? I mean, well, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.440 you got to keep them oud. It was ninety seven 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:32.320 DJs on like it was always a million d Come on, man, 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.080 you listen. Don't make me pull out them flyers and 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.760 see how many people were on those shows. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:40.800 You weren't doing three to four hours a year. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.159 No, first of all, let me just explain because I 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:47.240 think you invented that exactly. You ind man, you know 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.280 how many people booked me. It was a quest love 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.440 played for. I was like, yeah, they don't do that. 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:53.920 I don't do that. 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:54.879 I can't do that. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.240 Look what you did just an hour? 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.080 Well listen back then, but well not just that. What 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:05.560 you have to understand the the Live and Union Square 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:10.040 show was twenty minutes. Wow, you didn't do shows for 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:10.720 an hour. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:12.200 Ship we had two. 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:16.040 Records, like they didn't know that. Yeah, but they didn't 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.080 know that we were gonna fill in the gaps like that. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.520 Like that was you gotta understand. When we started doing shows, 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.359 we just were taking what we were doing at the wind. 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.480 We were taking what we were doing before we had records, 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:29.719 and you would add that to your records. So it's 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:31.480 kind of like, yo, I'm gonna start off and I'm 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.960 gonna cut these three records. Ready Rocks, he gonna come out, 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:35.879 he's gonna do the beatbox, and then we're gonna do 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.560 these two records a variety. Yeah, exactly. So you were 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:40.560 only there to do. 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:43.320 Man. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.960 Everybody was that's it, that's it, and you just you know, 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.600 it was kind of like, yo, we need to you know, 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.080 we need to show up. Well, first of all, you 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.639 gotta understand, we didn't know what they were doing. We 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.680 thought what we were doing in Philly, we thought is 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.520 what everybody else was doing, right, So we got to 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:04.440 New York and started doing it, and it was just 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.440 kind of like everybody's going crazy, and I'm just kind 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:07.920 of like, what are you going crazy for? Y'all do 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:08.480 the same shit. 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.200 I found out when Reek first got to stretching, Barbidos 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:15.240 thought everybody was freestyling. 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:16.240 Oh no, no. 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:20.159 So that's why Reek became such a stickler for freestyling, 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:25.000 because again it's like whoa wu ting must be doing 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:26.840 this and nas Mus be doing this and try to. 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:33.440 Hear them same albums. Yeah, absolutely, so wow, okay, so okay, 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:38.080 well making your twenty minute seven? Uh are you thinking 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.159 of like, okay, song of the moment or nah? No, 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.639 I mean everything was DJ are in it. You know, 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.359 it's it's kind of like you knew the records that 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:50.959 were DJ records. You know, it's typical you know, dances, drummers, 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.280 beat this, this, this, this, you know, what is something 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.840 that people know that you can manipulate that they can 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.199 see what you're doing and you know and that they 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.600 know that what you're doing is something special. So you 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.520 just you just got these records that you would just 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.399 do and you would just change them up. You know, 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:11.960 if you got if if you you got a hundred 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:14.560 different records that you can cut and you only needed 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:20.560 to cut two, you know, that's fifty shows doing different routine. 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.160 But when did you realize that certain records are hotter 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.199 in other cities that you might not have been. 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:30.480 Oh man, let's the drummers preat let's stand to the 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:35.800 drummers beaten Houston. No no, no, I mean and trust me, 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:40.080 it wasn't until we started going out that you started realizing. 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:44.480 There was two things we I remember us doing. I 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:48.240 remember us doing the Richmond Coliseum and I did a 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:52.800 DJ routine and halfway through it, I looked up and 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.040 everybody was just staring at me, and I was like, 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.840 you have no idea what I'm doing. And it was 0:23:59.880 --> 0:24:03.600 like wow, Like if you pay attention, that's why on 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.960 the Magnificent you hear will telling me what to do 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:07.760 and then. 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:08.040 I do it. 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.920 Like we realized how you have to do it is 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.280 you have to tell people Jeff scratch like a bird. 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.400 And then when you do it, everybody's like, oh my god, 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.600 like they didn't get it, Like hip hop hadn't come 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.040 that far in all of those places, you know that 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:26.760 to the point that people understood what a hip hop 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:28.200 DJ was doing. 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:29.840 So it was the same thing. 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:33.679 That's kind of like, Okay, I'm I'm cutting dances, drummers, 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:35.840 beat and then you get someplace and you do it 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.879 and you got that look like, Okay, they have no 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.359 idea what this record is. That's where Rock the Bells 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.560 came from. That's where Peter Piper came from, because you 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.200 cut records that everybody know. Like that was my biggest 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:53.000 criticism when I used to watch DJs and DJ battles, 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.760 that they would do these amazing routines off of records 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:58.879 that nobody know. It's kind of like, how do they 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.080 know what you did to it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:03.960 have no perspective on it because I don't know what 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:04.600 it is. Yeah. 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:07.399 I'm trying to figure out that for stro right now, 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.320 because still I feel like the only people that are 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:14.800 truly mind blowing at what Stroe Elliott does and Jeremy 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.680 as well, is the roots on stage, because the whole 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:22.560 audience is just like a silent stunt like you know, 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.880 occasional Instagram will be like oh stroeh. 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.800 Like all all that is is just picking popular records, 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:33.160 but he and he doesn't how they're supposed to be done, 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:36.359 and then he flips it once we flips it the hip. 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.840 Hop on one right, same basically the same concept. 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.040 We got to figure out a way, Like when he 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.920 was saying, like instructions like a bird and break it 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:46.280 down right here, that sort of thing. 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.600 And when do you decide, Like that's what I was asking, 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:50.440 when do you decide when I go to DC. Okay, 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.240 I'm gonna play my ship, but also I know I 0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:55.320 can play this because this this record was hot. 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.080 Here and you almost have to go to find out, 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:03.080 you know, because God blessed that time. Music was different 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.639 in every place that you went to, you know, and 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:09.159 you appreciated that. You know, I enjoyed doing those shows 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:13.440 that Columbus, Ohio was different. You know, you go to 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.640 you know, d C or Virginia. You know you got 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:18.359 a little bit of that go go stuff that you 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.359 can kind of add it. Like you you you heard 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:27.280 what each territory musical taste was. You know, I'm scared 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.760 of that today. Oh yeah, we don't have that. We 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:30.199 don't have. 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:36.000 The other day regional Like there's no regional sounds in none, 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:37.440 only the foundation. 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.399 Like I know, I feel like Jamaica Punk is like 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:42.160 a regional record, Like it's like a DC to those 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:42.840 kind of classes. 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.040 How did you inject you and Will when y'all first? 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.240 So your first deal wasn't directly with John? 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:49.359 No? 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.119 No, no, no, no, how was well? We did? You 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:56.119 know what was funny? You know? 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.359 Word up was an extension of pop art, which was 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:01.160 you know, was l Lawrene Goodman? 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.679 Yeah, oh yeah, well understand Dana Goodman owned World Up, 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:09.080 so you know it's the Goodman So it was funny 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.800 because Dana lived around the corner from Will. So me 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.439 and Will did the demo of Girls Ain't Nothing but Trouble, 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.720 and Will gave it to Dana because we were you know. 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.920 We weren't even what did y'all even cut it on? 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:24.800 Oh listen, I had a I had a drum machine 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.399 and a four track and it was just kind of. 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.760 The original was done on the fore track. Well understand, 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:35.399 the original original was done over Moments in Love. Yes, I. 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:40.639 Do on the shoe Yeah, do you still have that? 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.000 No? I don't and I need that. I need that 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:47.040 to Will Will go crazy for that, dude. I we 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.720 lived on in London. We have that someone in my 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.600 storage unit. I got that she had do do on 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.200 the shoe, don't We got to go to the store 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.920 unit tomorrow. There you go, yeah we do, but yeah, 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:00.320 you know we we we did it. He gave and 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.119 he gave the demo to Dana. So it was funny 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.240 because Will called was like, Yo, Dana wants to come 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.840 over and talk to us about putting out a record. 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:12.000 And I was like, all right, So Dana comes to 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.000 my house and Dana walks up on the porch and 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.440 you know, you hear stories of Dana and Larrence. Dana 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.040 walks up on my porch and my next door neighbor, Keith, 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:24.880 looked at Dana and said pie and Dana looked at him. 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:26.360 So first of all, I'm like, who the fuck is Pie? 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.760 And Dana looked at him and said Hawk. So now 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.560 I'm kind of like, who the fuck is off? And 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:33.960 then they hugged and it was like. 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:35.000 Yo, man, what's going on? 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.119 How you doing? And he was like what are you 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.960 doing here? And Dana was like, I'm coming to check 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:44.640 out the young boy and his you know, in his demo, 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.880 and Keith's face got really serious and he looked at 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:54.000 Dana and he was like, pie, that's Jimmy Town's son. 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:58.320 I mean, Jimmy Town's brother. Don't fuck with him. Oh, 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:00.920 and I was looking like, what's going He said, that's 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:05.280 that's family. That's I'll never forget that. It's like, that's family. 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.240 So what did you just save you from that? You 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:08.520 don't know what just happened? 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.800 Well, well, I know Dana pulled a gun out on 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.440 Will Wait what oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's a 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.080 whole bunch of that. But yeah, none of that ever 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:24.400 happened to me. Wow, okay, yeah, so let's talk about 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:29.640 the let's not let's not gloss over it. Yeah, the 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.280 crafting of Girls ain't nothing but trouble. What's some major 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:37.080 ship Because it was like by that point you could choose. 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:42.280 You could choose two squads. You could either go the 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:47.600 schooly d squad of where everyone else was going. What 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:52.880 I call like, uh, you know, blues is uh, blues 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:56.360 is crafted. Uh you know, like the first chord, then 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:57.240 the fourth and the fifth. 0:29:57.600 --> 0:29:59.960 In other words, you know you're set up lining right 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.440 here and then your second set of line round here, 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:04.520 and then your first set of line round and then 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:05.680 the punchline and if. 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.120 You no no no no no no, and then then 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:12.600 I'll take a sister too. And with schooly D, it's 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:16.360 the same thing with It's like the two set up lines. 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:17.680 I went to no no no no no no no, 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:19.200 and then I got no no no no no no 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.160 no no no, and win no no no no no 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.440 no no no no, and then the punchline something, and 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:28.080 then I pulled my gun. Then y'all could easily went 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.200 there because everybody in their mom was going to the 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:37.040 schooly D narrative route you guys chose. I felt you 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.160 guys were more trying to go the slick Rick route, 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:47.800 which kind of Will's version of slick Rick click. He 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.160 sort of carved his own lane, which I still don't 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.960 know what people decided to call it or whatever, but 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:58.320 it's it's more like, you know, I felt like that 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.840 was the next step that dott he should have went for, yeah, 0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:06.520 for Doug and Rick, and it didn't. 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:07.520 Now it's you guys. 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.480 Yeah, So like, how did you guys craft? It was 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:11.480 just like, okay, let's. 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.480 Will was a great storyteller. So he he he had 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.760 Girls at Nothing but Trouble written, and I just programmed 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:25.120 the beat and grabbed the TV tunes record and play 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:26.360 I Dream a Genie. 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.040 Yeah, and and he wrote it. 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.080 But you know, like I said, I remember doing shows 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:37.040 playing that, you know, cutting the instrumental of moments in love, 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:39.640 and Will would do moments you know, Will would do 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.360 Girls in Nothing but Trouble. And I was blown away 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:49.000 at how everybody was looking at his mouth like waiting 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:50.960 for the next line. And I was like, yo, like 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.680 this is crazy. Like this he's got some power, if 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:56.880 you know what I mean. You're telling something that that 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.280 that's that visual that you can kind of see it 0:31:59.320 --> 0:31:59.840 in your head. 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:01.200 So he was always a start. 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.560 He was all yeah, he always had that that level 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:12.800 of writing. Uh, that was very visual. Now doing business 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:13.920 with Goodman, yeah. 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.360 I mean, listen, you know what this is. This is 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:18.560 this is back in the day. 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:24.520 There was I had no aspirations to make a record 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.720 like that wasn't it you know, my in my brain, 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.320 I had my life's set. I was about to go 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.880 work at pg W because they had great benefits. I 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.320 was going to take a two week vacation in wild would, 0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.240 and I was going to get a house on Coys 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.719 Creek Parkway so I could look across the street at 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:41.960 some grass, Like. 0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.200 I really thought that that was it path mark. 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:52.440 So when it was kind of like, hey, let's put this, 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:54.720 let's let's do this record, we go in the studio 0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.960 and basically, you know, take my drum machine and record 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.080 it and fly Girls in that my trouble in and 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:05.400 Will Will does it and he puts it out and 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.080 it starts getting played on d A S and then 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.000 it starts getting played on BLS in New York, and 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:12.680 then we have to go to New York and then 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:14.920 we do Latin Quarters and we do this and next thing, 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.720 you know, when North Carolina like this, this was all 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:22.960 happening really fast. Girls dropped two days before Will graduated 0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:26.680 from Overbrook. Oh wow, so like that listen that was 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:31.400 oh man, like he was the the the graduation party, 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.360 and you gotta he was balling. 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.000 He was balling because it was a hit. 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.440 Oh man, it was. It was playing it everywhere like 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:44.040 and and and it was also in my brain, I'm like, okay, 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:47.760 he about to go to college, like and we start 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.640 we end up we go to LA and start doing stuff, 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.040 and the next you know, we got a call like 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.640 they you know, this is blowing up huge in London. 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:56.200 They want you to come over and do Top of 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:57.960 the Pops. And we didn't know what Top of the 0:33:58.040 --> 0:33:59.000 Pops was. 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:01.800 A the top no listen, So we get over there 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:05.520 and we didn't have work papers, so they wouldn't let 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.239 us perform. So we literally flew over there for them 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.000 to say, hey, this is DJ Judge Jeff for the 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:13.359 first Prince and we said hi everybody, and they played 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:14.000 girls ain't. 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.960 Nothing but trouble, but you couldn't perform. No, we couldn't perform. 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:26.080 I hate like but it was, you know, and it 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.600 got to the point that it started gaining so much 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.719 traction that Will kind of went to his mom and 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.879 dad was like, you know, I gotta I gotta see 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:36.520 where this's go, you know. 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:40.680 And you know, it's crazy because it was played on 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.279 the radio and us doing all of that traveling. You 0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:45.920 gotta understand, we didn't have a family member that had 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.959 ever been to London, so it was kind of like, listen, 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:53.560 I can't say nothing. I got okay, you know, and 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:57.000 that was it, like it it started and never stopped. 0:34:57.800 --> 0:34:57.960 You know. 0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:59.239 We did Girls in that Much Trouble? 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:04.040 Of course, you know Dana wanted to do Guys Ain't 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.200 nothing but trouble because everybody wanted to do an answer. 0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:10.360 So he was right, let's let's answer our own record. 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.680 So who's like is ice cream No? 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:14.080 No? 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:16.440 Like you know ice cream tea? I think Lady b 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.480 knew ice cream tea. So we did Guys in that 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.520 Much Trouble. Then we did just one of those days, 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:26.360 which is the record that I hate with. Let me 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.759 tell you, let me tell you why, let me tell 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.239 you why. Listen. 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:35.480 So Dana, Dana is in the studio. 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:40.239 So first of all, the first lesson that it's girls 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:44.240 in him, but Trouble comes out and that ship says 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.640 produced and written by de Goodman, And I was just 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:53.520 kind of like, okay, if he did that, I'm just 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.759 trying to figure out what did I actually do? Like 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:58.520 I'm I'm I'm trying to figure it out because I 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.000 know we came in the studio and then Dana would 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:05.880 give these instructions like turn the kick jawn up, and 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.600 you could tell an engineer who was terrified of Dana 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.279 that he's kind of like, I don't like I would 0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.040 watch him put his hand on the knob and never 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.440 turn it, and he'd like turn the kick jawn up 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.399 and he would turn the volume up. They had Ury 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.520 speakers that the old Ury speakers had the light that 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.640 when they would clip, the light would come on. Every 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:24.400 time the light came on, he would be like, that's it. 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.319 And I'm just saying, he just turned the volume up. 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.080 But you know what, your secret is safe for me 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.160 because I know he didn't really know what he was 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:32.719 talking about. 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:40.000 So Dana, wait time out. I believe that the studios 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:44.600 on Jeff chest Okay, I thought it was. He also 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:45.799 did the Goodman stuff, all. 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:49.840 Right, Yeah, no, that was Joe the Butcher. So Dana 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:54.000 felt that the hook of Girls Ain't Nothing but Trouble 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:59.240 follow Me was too slow. The hook was too slow. 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.640 So he kept saying, I want to speed it up, 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:09.440 and I'm saying, you can't speed up the hook and 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.360 not speed up the record. So they splice the tape 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.600 and sped it up. So if you listen to just 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.919 one of those days, oh yeah, get to the place. 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:23.680 Oh wait, I know what. 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:28.359 You're talking about. It gets really fast and it slows down. 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:30.279 Always wondered about that. 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.040 Yeah, that's it. With you again. I thought that was 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:38.320 you You have to understand that the hair on the 0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:43.960 back of my neck is rising, that you're playing you 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:54.799 wait over your life and you just can't sing right. 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.920 And when you just hadn't say you said, man, it's 0:37:59.080 --> 0:37:59.960 just one of those. 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.560 Hold on Washington chains, hold on. 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:14.359 Just that part. 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:19.200 Yeah, and he did it and he released it. 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:20.600 Yeah. 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:21.960 I always thought that was kind of weird, but I 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.320 thought that was just no, no, no, no, that was 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:25.640 that was so good. 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.000 I mean when they were the street guys, like where 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.040 the street the street guy, I mean, and and and. 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.319 You know, not not taking anything away life. Yeah, I'm 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:40.160 sure are they not incarcerating listen? I don't know. I mean, 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:43.360 but you know. The funny thing is like Dana and 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:46.400 Lawrence Goodman, especially Lawrence Goodman. When you think about it, 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.799 Lawrence Goodman was the first death jam. Lawrence Goodman had 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:55.160 salt and pepper, you know. Lawrence Goodman had like everybody, 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.320 you know, everybody, he had everyone what happened you know? 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:00.399 Man? 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:04.120 You know sometimes you can't separate church and state. 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:06.200 Damn. 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:08.239 Because his sons, his sons were the. 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:13.160 Young It's all coming together in my head now. I 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:14.880 thought he worked for like PGW. 0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:18.200 Or something me, so, you know, it was and it was. 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.520 It was crazy because then we put the album out. 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.399 We went in the studio and recorded the album. Thank 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.000 god he didn't spend anything up other than that or that, 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:29.800 and the album comes out and the album starts to 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.000 blow up. So the only money that we were ever 0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:36.880 making was from shows, like you know, and and you know, 0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:40.000 I knew, I knew where this was going. And then 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.200 what happened was JOV reached out and was like, yo, 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:43.960 they want to pick the record up. So I remember 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.640 us going up to the meeting with Job and I 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:48.680 was just praying, like because the only to me, the 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:50.920 only chance of success that we would have is to 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:55.160 get either off of World Up Records or have major 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:58.279 distribution like we did with Job. Was he just the 0:39:58.400 --> 0:39:59.799 label or was he. 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:01.320 No? 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:02.880 No, no, no, no no he was. He was just 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.759 a label. He was just a label. So when we 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:10.399 signed or when he signed to Jive, you know, that's 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.000 when we could officially get rid of the run DMC 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:13.759 album cover. 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:15.520 I love that though. 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.279 Whose idea was that that was Dana's man? That ship 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:22.400 was whack, that was whack. He took run DMC's album 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:28.279 cover and we did it, and man, like, listen, fuck them. 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.960 I felt some kind of way people was just like, 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:34.799 how you gonna just had a run DMC cover? 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.439 No, listen, that was not cool. 0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:41.520 That was so not cool. That was absolutely not cool. 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.040 I mean I still have a copy of that, and 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.879 I'm not getting rid of me. I was going to say, one, 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:52.440 it's very expensive to fine. But I saw it as homage. 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.680 I never saw that as we biting. Well, he was biting. 0:40:56.000 --> 0:41:00.200 It's called the house. He was rocked the house. He 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:04.520 was biting. But you know, if it's under five years, 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.280 then it's biting, but if it's over ten years, it's amage. 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:10.560 Maybe that's the rule now homage. I mean, listen, Run 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:15.120 DMC had just come out, So did they ever say anything? Okay, No, 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.200 I mean, thank god, listen. The people who bought the 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:22.080 word up vinyl did not equate to the people who 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.320 bought the job. I get it. 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.279 So the wholes of the word up rock the House? 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:28.600 Was it the exact same record? 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.000 Y'all did another version of Girls that wasn't on that 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:37.080 wasn't on the album. That was yeah, yeah, but that 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:42.560 was also after that was that was after parents, That 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.759 was job with the Job chasing some ship. 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:48.719 While we were talking about jiving you guys signed over, 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.920 there was there any trepidation because they already had a 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:52.480 jazzy Jeff. 0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:54.439 Well, you know what, let me tell you something. 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.440 What saved me because he sued me really oh yeah, 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.279 he tried to sue me for twenty million dollars, which 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.560 I thought was that absolute joke because I was just like, 0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:04.920 where the fuck are you gonna get that at it? 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:13.080 But when we sat down in that meeting talking about 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.680 you know, like when we were doing the distribution deal, 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.279 I said it, I said, wait a minute, are we 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:21.680 going to have an issue because you have a jazzy 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.399 Jeff signed to your label? And they said, no, we'll 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.520 take care of it. By take care of it, they 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:31.600 means stop promoting his record, you know, and Jeff like, 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.000 what what was he was? It was? 0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:34.960 It was that was Jazzy Jeff fro the Funky four 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:38.440 plus one more. Ah yeah, okay. He did a solo 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:40.160 deal on Job. 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.160 And then you know when when everything started, I don't 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.719 know what happened with him, but you know, after some 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.960 years he was just kind of like, yo, like you 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:52.200 you took my name, and I'm like nigga. My name 0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:52.960 is Jeff. 0:42:56.400 --> 0:43:00.279 Jeff, you know, but did you have any other Yeah, 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:02.160 did you have other options? 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:02.320 Or? 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.759 Man, I was mixed I was Mixed Master Jeff before 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.680 I was Jazzy Jeff. But that ship was way too expensive. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.399 You tried going getting the shirt with Mixed Master Jeff 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.919 paking twenty five cents a leven. I was like, you lucky, 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:19.360 My ship wasn't j Jeff. 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.480 Since we're on, since we're on the topic of the name, 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.560 I want to fact check discogs really quick. Are you 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:32.680 on this because all boys records? Yes, okay, corner Boys, yes, okay, 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.400 that's all I need to know. Oh yeah, yes, And 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:36.400 what were those records? 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:37.000 They were? 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.920 They were Philly groups, Philly groups that you I did 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:41.560 scratches on like. 0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:45.320 This was eighty five yeah, oh wow, wow. Listen, you 0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:45.640 was just. 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:47.359 Trying to be on the record, like I said, Man, 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:47.719 I was. 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.120 I was trying to get crad down at PGW, which 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:52.759 is Philadelphia Gas Works, right, I was. 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:54.400 Trying to be down there, like yeah, you know how 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:55.279 just scratches on that. 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:57.719 No, you didn't even look my name, you know, I 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.799 didn't ship. That happened you mentioned earlier. You was talking 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:03.759 about Goodman. They was like, you know, that's Jimmy Town's brother, 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:10.640 So what was your brother? That was the seventies. You know, 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:13.560 they was in all kinds of ship. So, you know, 0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:16.480 it was just like people people knew, Like I didn't. 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:19.600 I didn't know the level of respect that my brother 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:23.240 and my brother's friends had until after I got older 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.480 that you realized, you know, like, okay, they was you 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:28.240 know this is back gang Wars. 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.680 Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, this is all of that. 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:35.000 So you know, I think they knew, you know, they 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:35.920 knew of each other. 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:39.960 And evidently for him saying that had more to do 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.520 with you know, I know how you get down and 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:48.200 I'm just letting you know that's family. Wow, that's dope. Man, 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.640 that's crazy. When when y'all did. 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.560 The first album rocked the house when it went to Jive, 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.560 was there any other who else was on? 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:00.239 Yeah? 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:03.960 So like who the other? I mean, what made y'all 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.359 say I think this is a good fit for us? 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:12.600 Well, well, first, let me just say any label was 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.320 a good fit back then. So it wasn't like we 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:19.000 was picking and choosing. It's like whoever came with, you know, 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:23.320 because you really looked at it like the my closest 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:26.520 path to success is getting this so that everybody can 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:29.719 hear it, and everybody wasn't going to hear it on 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:33.440 World Up records. And how did that? How did rock 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:34.839 House did it go? Go? Yeah? 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:35.759 Yeah? 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.080 And you know that words before he's the DJ, I'm 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.080 the rapper like no before okay, just America. 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:44.600 It's just you know, and that was we got a 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.120 chance to tour and we you know, that's we went 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.239 on tour with Houdini and we went on to a 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:53.000 run DMC and you know that's that's where everything starts, 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.320 you know. And and in nineteen eighty six, it was 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.320 it was us, it was Kid and Play, it was 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.720 Salt and Pepper, it was Man Tronics, it was Kumo 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.680 D Like all of us did a million shows together 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.160 because we all came around and came out around the 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:11.680 same time under the rush banner or not. 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.239 Well no, it was just like you know, like I said, 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:16.160 it wasn't that many hip hop groups. 0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:19.520 So the hip hop groups that came out and popped 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.400 and were Jazzy, Jeffery Fresh, Prince, Salt and Pepper. 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:30.120 You know, Man Tronics, cadn't play. Who am I missing? 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:32.920 Who you know, well Houdini were already out there. Well, 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.080 Eric bing Rockham like we all came out at the 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:41.120 same time. Chuck d with w guys the Extra Strength Posse. Yeah, yeah, 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.880 whenever I was like, damn what I always wanted to know, 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.360 like if the roots were out back then, like what category. 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:55.600 Instrumentalists number twelve? I was like, what I got to 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:57.200 do to be the Extra Strength Posse? 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.319 Do you acknowledge that you're the first person to use 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:05.040 funky drummer? 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:11.160 You know what's funny? Bam Bodis said that to me. 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.200 Oh, Bam Bodis said that to me at the New 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:18.600 Music seminar when I won Bambida because Bambada had heard 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.000 The Magnificent and he was like He came. 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.319 Up to me and he was just like you you're 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:25.200 a bold motherfucker. 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.560 And I remember looking at him and he was just like, 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:33.800 because you you let the record go because people were scratched. 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.000 No one ever let it go. And I was just like, Okay, 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:37.680 I'm you. 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:41.080 Know, I can't tell you the amount of times that 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:51.480 I have tried how many times I've made pause tape 0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:56.520 just as this. 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:03.439 When I heard this, I was like, what the hell 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:05.560 is this. I would I would take. 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:08.720 This to funkl Mark, you know, Bob down the market, 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:13.799 Come on, Bob, rest in peace, Bob. I no one 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:17.440 could tell you who it was, and for like at 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.640 least a year and a half until I discovered in 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.239 the Jungle group, like a year and a half later 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:24.399 that I know where it came from. 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.360 How come nobody use that break? 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.200 I don't know. Listen, they weren't using breaks then? 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.920 Were? You just said I was the first person to 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:34.320 do it? 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:35.120 People are the. 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.680 First person I ever heard using pizza president. And I'm 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.160 not just talking about just the door. You actually use 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:40.680 the rest. 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:42.799 Of this as we go we. 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:51.160 Project Dana Brod project Oh okay, yeah, oh wait, yeah 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:52.960 eighty seven idiot. 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.720 Yeah, but you used it in a musical yeah. 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:02.000 Way for more flushed out musical way, where Marley Mom 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.440 just used project O as you know, a stab or 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:06.120 that sort of thing. 0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:12.040 So okay, So in doing this record, can you give. 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:20.200 Us any what was doing those uh post post Freshfest? 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.400 I guess they were Deaf Jam tours by then or 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:26.680 whoever's had at the time ll tours or what was that? 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:27.040 Like? 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:28.960 Oh man, that was that was amazing? 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:32.920 You're it's twenty thousand people, twenty thousand people, and you're 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.200 you know, and you're going, you know, you're, you're it's 0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:40.080 twenty thousand people in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So you also, 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.040 like I said, you understand, I'm still thinking, I'm supposed 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.319 to be at the gas company. What am I doing 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.799 in Albuquerque, New Mexico? We were going to cities. By 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:52.520 this point, you're still thinking, like when this in a 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:53.080 real job? 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.320 Oh man, I didn't think this ship was going to 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.200 work out until a couple of years ago. I still 0:49:58.239 --> 0:49:59.120 think a couple of years ago. 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:02.839 List So after rocking the house because that went gold, 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:07.040 I mean, did that change financially? Like I mean you no, no, 0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.000 come on, come on. We talked about the music business. 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.440 We ain't never been good. But what I will say is, 0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:15.280 you know you're making money doing these shows. You're doing tours, 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.640 you know. And it was funny because I went through 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:22.600 this thing of I remember, you know, Will and I. 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.319 I don't even remember exactly how much we were getting paid. 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.839 All I know is I was pretty much coming home 0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:33.319 with about two thousand dollars every show. So I would 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.239 not put it in the bank like I put that 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.880 shit in a box underneath my bed and until it 0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:42.320 got to the point that I don't have enough box 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:46.160 underneath my bed with this, and you know, I was 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.600 I was afraid to put it in the bank, like 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:51.080 you you want me to take it? So I went 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:53.200 to the bank, I opened up the bank account, probably 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:55.920 gave them about fifteen thousand dollars. They put it in 0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:59.160 the bank, and I would come to the bank every 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.320 week and pose it my my my show money. You know, 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.480 you take some out, deposit my show money. And one 0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:07.759 time I went because when I wanted to buy my 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:11.160 first car, I wanted to withdraw, and they said my 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:12.479 signature didn't match. 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:14.320 So I'm like, wait a minute. 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:17.680 My signature matches every week when I make a deposit, 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:21.000 but it doesn't match when I make a withdraw. And 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.400 I got mad and asked to see the bank manager 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:27.320 and pulled all no, it was what was citizens? It was? 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:31.440 It was no, it was melon meon. I still got 0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:34.600 my red debit card when the debit cards first came out. 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.000 But yeah, you know, you don't. I didn't think this 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.880 was gonna be real, you know. And we we we 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:44.920 got through the first album, and when we went in 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:48.400 the studio to do He's the DJ on the Rapper. 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.320 We actually did the DJ album because it was a 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:54.880 double album. We did the DJ album first in Philly 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:59.200 and then we went to London to do He's the 0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:01.560 DJ on the Rapper. And while we were in London, 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:06.080 we got a call from Barry at Job saying Dana 0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:09.400 wants to sell the rights to Jazzy Jeff and the 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:13.080 Fresh Prince completely the job. And I was like, oh, 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:17.960 ship like because understand, any money that we would have 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:21.320 gotten paid from Jive had to go to Dane at first. 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:22.800 How that happened? 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.799 I mean, come on, dude, we were signing the word up. 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:30.440 Word Up signed the job, so they never signed direct 0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:33.200 the job, would he because. 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.279 Listen, I don't know, you know, people getting you know, 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:41.400 he needed something and you know, and it was it 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:45.760 was this weird balance because he wanted to He wanted 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.680 to sell it Monday. Then we get to call Tuesday, 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:51.279 he said no. Then he went back Wednesday, Yeah, I 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.600 want to sell it, and then he said no, and 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:55.360 then it was kind of like we want X amount 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:57.959 of dollars and then he came back and he wants more, 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.280 and you know, it just kept fluctuating, and I remember 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:04.160 the day that they called and said the deal is done. 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:08.279 You're signed directly to jobs. So we at least, you know, 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.960 once again, we think, okay, we this gives us the 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:15.920 best shot. But that that sparked the call to mister 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:20.200 Magic to get the cassette of Live at Union Square 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:24.600 and say hey, let's put it on the album that 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:25.080 you know. 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:30.480 That that sparked parents just don't understand, and Nightmare on 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:31.200 My Street. 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:34.279 Yeah, you gotta tell tell the story real quick. The 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:37.239 second album was always intended to be a double no no, no, no, no, 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:37.640 we we. 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:41.319 The whole idea was, Okay, everybody likes Jeffers a DJ, 0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:42.800 let's do a DJ. 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:44.120 Album, so it would have been like a side for 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:46.080 him and the side for you. No, it was really 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.120 supposed to be like a DJ album. 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.200 You know, these are beats and Jeff scratching and all 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:51.680 the rest of this, and it was just kind of like, 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:53.480 I don't know if the world is ready for this, 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.239 and we did it and it just kind of sat there. 0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:58.680 So when we went to go into the studio to 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:02.239 do the the Jeff and Will album, the idea came out, 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:04.680 why don't we mix all of this up and make 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:08.800 it a double album. Oh okay, and so all the 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:12.520 all the the MC stuff y'all did in London at 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:14.600 the at the Job studio in London. 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:19.680 So the album initially the album that is side three 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:24.279 and side floor side for was the DJ and that 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:25.560 was completed as is. 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:28.200 Yeah, we did. 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:30.200 We did some extra stuff in London, like we did. 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:33.160 We did. He's the D John the rapper in London, 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.800 like a lot of the DJ stuff of me cutting 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.160 and will rapping with just routines that we would do. 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:45.200 Yeah like that, but that was all, you know, we 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:46.840 would we would be at the y m c A 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.080 and doing Job rhythm tracks and we'll just say, hey, Jeff, 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:51.480 you know what do you think about such and section? 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:52.920 You would answer is it too late? 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:53.520 Is it too late? 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:55.480 I gotta say, that's one of the strangest songs like 0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:58.560 I've ever heard on the radio. I grew up in 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:02.279 Indiana and that song was always on the radio. Yeah, 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:05.680 Raven tracks, house party style. Really yeah, they were just 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:07.160 paying they would play it on the radio. 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:08.520 You know what. 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:16.040 I gotta admit that I was six seconds old. I'm 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:19.279 now realizing that, Oh yeah, he's the DJ on the 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.719 rapper is a MC side and the DJ side. 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:24.320 Like even the sticker on the on the front of 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:26.240 the album said it was comes with bonus DJ album 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:26.840 or something like that. 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:31.759 Yeah, damn I or scratch record I think they called it. Yeah. 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:34.880 They was trying to work out I'm twenty. 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:37.320 One seconds you're you're I'm twenty one seconds old. Like 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:39.279 I'm just realizing that right now. 0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:41.520 Y'all had to live in London, y'all when you recorded. 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:43.120 Now, we did it in a month. 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:48.719 So was Battery Studios not fully developed in New York 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:50.200 in the Jive building yet? 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:54.120 No, it was so all fly to London in London. 0:55:56.640 --> 0:56:00.560 Estate was done in London. I see, I see, Okay, 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:07.000 So making the video obviously wait time out Nightmare on 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:13.720 My Street, please tell the story of the Fat Boys 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:16.440 and well listen, we you know it was we did 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:21.120 the record Nightmare on Myne Street. I used the piano 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:25.239 line from Nightmare on My Street and this and this, 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:28.360 the screech and all the rest of that, and it 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:32.640 came out and the you know, parents of song stand 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:36.040 came out and just went crazy and we knew we 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:38.759 had Nightmare like it was. It was, you know, it 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:41.359 was funny back then record companies would try to hold 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:45.960 sit Cold records back, but radio stations were playing Parents 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.279 and Nightmare at the same time, so it was kind 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.200 of like you already know what the second single is 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:52.799 gonna be. I'm just like, oh my god, it's big 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.719 as Parents is. Nightmare is going to trump this by 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:59.799 a million. We shot the video and and we went 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.319 on tour. And what I didn't realize, like, we had 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:04.680 a segment on tour that Charlie Mack would dress up 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:07.080 when the sweater and he had a Freddie mask and 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.400 Freddie glove and he would come on stage and he 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.239 would kill me and the lights would go black and 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:13.920 all like we had a whole skit. I didn't realize 0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:18.080 that New Line Cinema sent lawyers to follow us on 0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:21.280 the tour and they watched this, and then all of 0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:23.240 a sudden, we just got a lawsuit that was like 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:27.000 New Line Cinema issuing you guys for Nightmare. So our 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:32.800 lawyer basically went to New Line Cinema because radio. Unfortunately, 0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:36.120 New Line got the Fat Boys to do a Nightmare 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:40.760 record and they had to promote. So now radio stations 0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:44.240 are doing the Nightmare contest, which record do you like 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:48.120 the best? So we're blowing the fat boys out and 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.520 they were getting met and it was almost kind of 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:54.080 like we were trying to express to them that this 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.560 is going to do nothing but help your movie, and 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:02.080 just out of principle, they were like, nah, so they 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:06.560 suit us, and well, I mean, we gave them a 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:13.160 bunch of money and we had to agree to perform 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:18.800 in two movies. Listen. So this is funny. We had 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:22.160 to agree to perform in two movies, but it was 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:26.880 up to us to accept or decline. So the first 0:58:27.040 --> 0:58:30.120 movie that they gave us the script for was House Party, 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.880 because if you think about house Party, it's a DJ 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:38.800 and a rapper. So they made House Party around me 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:42.360 and Will and we were like, nah, that's weird because 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:47.200 they they were wrong and just let the song na. 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:56.120 That's why the whole thing of the video disappearing like 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.960 I had a copy. No, I didn't you know it's back. 0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:03.600 Oh listen, it's the whole videos up now. 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:05.720 Yes, I mean, but you have to have done a 0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.960 lot with new line since anyway, like, no, we did 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:09.800 you ever do the too? 0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:14.320 No listen, like it was I don't even remember as 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.440 the second movie was, and we just we were just. 0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:19.080 Like no, Will has never done a New Line movie. 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:22.439 No, because I understand this was before, like we didn't 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:24.480 look at it like they're offering us a movie role. 0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:26.720 This was kind of like, in fact, yeah, this is 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:30.080 kind of like, yeah, you know, this is payment payment back, 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:32.760 so we were just like it would have been for free. No, No, 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.160 they probably would have paid. I'm very sure they would 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:39.280 have paid a minute. But house Party was get cleaned. Yeah, 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:42.520 but okay, you're talking about house Party as we know 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:47.280 it now. Somebody giving you that script in nineteen eighty seven, 0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:52.080 nineteen eighty eight, you might not have thought that. You know, 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:54.160 this is back when we don't know what to do 0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:56.760 with raps, so we don't even know if we want 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.840 it on television. So let alone you're gonna try to 0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:01.080 put it in a movie. We're kind of like, listen, 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:04.680 we're not trying to we're making rapping. Yeah rapp. 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:12.000 Wait just one second, now, B Street was eighties. This 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:19.000 is what they chose. I've heard this songbody once in 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:35.520 my life. Sounds like Michael Jackson, right that silp slap 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:49.160 face man. Yeah, that just yeah, that wasn't it. 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:50.960 That wasn't it. New Line y'all fucked up? 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:52.880 And then who who Deny came with the next one 1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:53.880 for the next movie. 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:57.760 Anyway, I Gotta Swing it that was, and then the 1:00:57.880 --> 1:01:00.800 video was like taking place outside the the Nightmare ol 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:05.000 Street House or something I missed because I was I 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.800 was on be et every day after school, field knowledge 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:09.080 every day after school. 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:13.160 You serious it's called anyway I Gotta swing I'm pretty sure. 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:16.040 Yeah, man, like the knife. 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:19.960 That's a Nightmare on Elm Street song Welcome. 1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:22.320 Back Steve Man. How did for the like the samples? 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:25.240 Because it wasn't until I got older a lot of 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:27.600 the I was saying the samples that I was using, 1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:29.800 Like I mean, like Westchester Lady like she like that. 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:33.480 How you were the first to use jazz samples? Pretty much? 1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:35.840 I'm a I'm I became a great digger because of 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:38.400 a Touch of Jazz, Like I need to know what 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:41.640 that Harlem River Drive sample was and and all that 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:44.120 ship Like those were the first records I bought? 1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:46.360 Were the records that you used on Touch of Jazz? 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:47.400 Was it? 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:51.080 Was there a reason that you didn't go to everyone's 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:56.800 using games? Well everyone, yeah, using the uh ultimate beats 1:01:56.840 --> 1:01:59.560 and breaks. You could have easily went there and just 1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:04.240 made a mix of that, but instead using records that 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:06.160 weren't on Ultimate Beats and Breaks. 1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:09.240 Well, you gotta think this is what you also got 1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:12.600 to think about what volume of Ultimate Beats and Breaks 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:18.360 was Dancing Drummers Beat three? Yes, So I had three 1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:22.120 volumes to choose from, Like this is what I'm saying, 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:25.400 like this was so early. There were only three volumes 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:27.360 out oh, Like it was. 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:30.520 Like it was we didn't have this. 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:34.760 Plethora of sampling information that we had. Then this tim 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:39.440 my brother, you know my brother and the record you know, 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:44.680 like I grew up with chick career, Herbie Hancock, Myhavish 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:48.280 New Orchestra, you know, Stanley Clark, George Dude. Then my 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:51.800 dad was Wes Montgomery, Jimmy Smith, all of us. I'm 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:55.640 the sponge. So all I decided to do was kind 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:57.800 of like, yo, let me go and grab some of 1:02:57.840 --> 1:03:02.240 the records that he would play. You know, I know 1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:05.520 those albums front to back, not just for the samples. 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:08.000 It was just kind of like, you know, shit, at 1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:10.520 ten years old, I can't listen to Whudini. 1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:12.640 So I you know, I. 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:16.800 Wasn't the Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder. I was the chick 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:21.800 corea in return it forever. WoT Yeah, listen, I gotta 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:24.680 give my brother credit. Like he My brother came in 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:27.880 and he showed me how to take the record out 1:03:27.960 --> 1:03:30.680 the jacket, put the record on the turntable, don't put 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:31.600 your fingerprints on it. 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:34.560 And he was like, listen, I can if. 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:36.120 He was like, you can use my. 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:39.520 Stereo when I'm at work. My brother worked all day. 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:42.160 So I was ten years old, and I would put 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:46.560 a cassette in and I would make tapes. Wow, you know, 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:52.160 and you know, like I said, I'm making chick corea tapes. 1:03:52.480 --> 1:03:58.479 You know, explain, Explain how you've told me this story 1:03:58.560 --> 1:03:59.200 like years ago. 1:03:59.240 --> 1:04:01.320 And I was just like, what the fuck? Explain how 1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:04.040 you were up for Grammy and yet y'all are broke. 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:05.520 How does that happen? 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:08.040 I mean, I think everybody in the room know how 1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:08.720 that happens. 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:12.000 But you know it was. 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:16.440 Is this the year you guys the Grammys? 1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:17.080 No? 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:19.920 No, no, no, no, this was this was another year. 1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:21.080 This was after that. 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:29.439 So on the rooftop okay, and that was for y'all, 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:33.560 y'all were nominated for He's the DJ. Right, y'all got nominated? 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:36.800 Yeah, okay. They didn't want to televise it right. You know, 1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:39.600 they were kind of like, nah, we think we should 1:04:39.640 --> 1:04:43.320 give another category to Garth Brooks were like, yo, he 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:47.360 got nine, like you can give hip hop one, especially 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:50.960 if hip hop is easily the one, two or three 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:54.680 top selling genre of music like you. You know, you 1:04:54.800 --> 1:04:57.360 got nine country and Western categories like you. You know, 1:04:57.880 --> 1:05:00.280 but this was at a time that they were very 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:02.920 much you know, you almost felt like you were on 1:05:03.120 --> 1:05:06.880 this scale of is hip hop gonna be here or 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:09.240 is it not? Like and there were powers to be 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:12.120 that kept saying it's not, it's not, and we would 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:14.800 get mad every time somebody said that, because you know, 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:17.800 this is this is your dream, like somebody's you know, 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:21.240 basically trying to squish your dream. So you know, we 1:05:21.400 --> 1:05:24.760 felt like we needed to take that stance, you know, 1:05:25.040 --> 1:05:27.200 for for the for them to kind of understand. But 1:05:28.440 --> 1:05:31.520 you know, you you you have this vision of grandeur. 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:33.400 You know, I'm signed to this label and this is 1:05:33.480 --> 1:05:35.320 how it's gonna be and you're gonna make this money 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:38.320 and and you're gonna do this and you know, and 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:42.000 we sold a bunch of records and you know, we 1:05:42.560 --> 1:05:48.040 we because the second album went, well, uh, he's the right, triple, triple, triple, 1:05:48.920 --> 1:05:49.960 and and and you. 1:05:50.120 --> 1:05:53.200 Made money, but you're never paying attention. 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:55.880 Like the one thing that I've realized, especially back then, 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:58.640 if you know, you're twenty two years old and you 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:02.080 put out a record, and the record sells, and somebody 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:05.560 gives you a two hundred thousand dollars check, I don't 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:09.080 know a person alive that checked it to see if 1:06:09.160 --> 1:06:11.400 it was supposed to be two hundred or it was 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:14.280 supposed to be nine hundred, Like you don't check it, 1:06:14.360 --> 1:06:19.160 and I you know, looking back at hindsight, they knew that, 1:06:20.480 --> 1:06:22.680 you know, they knew that, just like record companies knew that. 1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:26.480 You know. Listen, You're never gonna take this to an 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:29.040 entertainment lawyer for him to read your contract. You're gonna 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:31.560 take it to your cousin who's the plumber, because he's 1:06:31.600 --> 1:06:34.640 the most business savage person in your family. You know. 1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:38.400 Because if I'm trying to get a record deal, nine 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:41.400 times out of ten, I need money, and you think 1:06:41.480 --> 1:06:45.680 I'm gonna take money and give it to a lawyer, like, no, 1:06:46.040 --> 1:06:47.280 I'm going to keep every dime. 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:49.360 I have to be on the safe side. 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:52.280 But they know that. So it was the same thing 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:56.040 that you know, you get to the point that you know, 1:06:56.600 --> 1:07:01.840 you learn these terminologies like cross collaterzation. You know that 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:05.000 you're just kind of like, you don't pay me my 1:07:05.200 --> 1:07:07.920 money before you have to give me the budget for 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:10.560 the next album, and you say that the budget for 1:07:10.640 --> 1:07:14.000 the next album came from the money you're supposed to 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:15.760 pay me, And I'm kind of like that shit makes 1:07:15.800 --> 1:07:16.240 no sense. 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:19.640 Like it was gangster. It was gangster, but it was just. 1:07:19.720 --> 1:07:22.280 Kind of like, you're paying me with my own money, 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:27.160 you know, like and and you you know, back then 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:29.840 you couldn't really fight it, you know, you would you 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:32.560 would say something, and then then you're deemed the troublemaker, 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:37.080 you know if if you're asking questions that somebody don't 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:38.400 really want you to ask. 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:41.720 So, y'all, so this was for the third album, for 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:43.880 the end in this corner. 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:46.800 That well, no, like all of this stuff started to happen, 1:07:47.600 --> 1:07:49.680 you know, it started on the first album and it 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:53.040 really came you know, it really came on He's the 1:07:53.120 --> 1:07:56.400 DJA and the Rapper and and and then the third album. 1:07:57.480 --> 1:08:04.360 How how different was the post YOMTV rap effect of 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:10.480 your life? Once the second album comes out and blows 1:08:10.560 --> 1:08:14.240 up because you're saying that, Okay, the second ILM went 1:08:14.320 --> 1:08:15.440 triple platinum. 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:20.080 But that was very unusual. Come from nineteen eighty eight. Completely, 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:22.439 that was unheard of. Well, you know what, back then, 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:27.519 you know, hip hop was solely urban. It was solely urban, 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:31.679 like most black music that would come out. The whole 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:34.280 idea is you have the black stations that are playing it, 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:37.200 and then if it catches on, they would say that 1:08:37.320 --> 1:08:40.120 it's going pop, and that just meant it went over 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:45.400 to the white station, you know, and that's when the record. 1:08:45.479 --> 1:08:50.240 So what I knew is everybody's idea is we you know, 1:08:50.760 --> 1:08:53.679 you know you got something when it goes pop. Girls 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:56.400 Ain't Up with Trouble was a black record, Parents Just 1:08:56.439 --> 1:08:59.080 Don't Understand, came out as a black record and turned 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:02.320 into a pop record, and that's when the whole Jeffrey 1:09:02.360 --> 1:09:04.040 Willer from the Suburbs and all the rest of this 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:07.360 is happening, which confused the daylights out of me because 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:08.880 I'm kind of like, to me, girls in Nothing but 1:09:08.920 --> 1:09:11.960 Trouble and parents are Don't Understanding the same record. This 1:09:12.080 --> 1:09:18.080 is different subject matter. How did you keep the secret 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:20.400 sauce sample of that song? 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:25.760 So, man, how did you keep it secret. I don't know. 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:35.160 Is it still secret? I don't listen. Listen, I would 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:36.839 not be sitting here if. 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:38.400 Did you deal with it? 1:09:38.640 --> 1:09:38.680 No? 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:44.680 I mean listen, I don't. But the song is so like, 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:49.880 how did they not? I don't know. I have no idea, Man, 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:53.320 I have no idea, and I don't believe that. 1:09:54.320 --> 1:09:56.680 I don't. I don't believe that the power is to 1:09:56.760 --> 1:09:58.439 be didn't hear it? I think it was kind of like, 1:09:58.479 --> 1:10:00.200 hey man, that ship is cool and just left? 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:05.280 What was the time difference between parents? Just don't understand? 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:07.920 And then because I felt like the TV show came 1:10:08.360 --> 1:10:11.560 in my I was just I dodn't want to know. 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:13.400 I want to know that. That's what I want to know. 1:10:13.680 --> 1:10:15.760 Two years between okay and Yeah, it. 1:10:15.800 --> 1:10:17.760 Was that I bought it in This Corner album and 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:19.880 like it just what was going on with y'all? Couarter? 1:10:20.000 --> 1:10:22.720 I was list wait time out the wait you about 1:10:22.760 --> 1:10:23.800 the slender in this corner? 1:10:23.880 --> 1:10:26.840 I was about we about to fight? 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:27.080 Yeah? 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:28.920 Because I love that? What what was y'all James? 1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:30.320 Everything? 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:33.120 Yeah? Was my. 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:40.760 Number one to use the bathroom? I was drafted. I 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:47.480 was drafted. Girly had a mustache. If donut come on, brod, 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:49.920 I was, I was, I don't know, I was all 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:51.840 that glitter can Yeah, I could dig it. 1:10:55.200 --> 1:10:55.880 I feel it though. 1:10:56.400 --> 1:10:59.679 That's my favorite record of yours. Really, it's wow. 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:03.840 I had a conversation with somebody and they were asking 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:06.639 me about all of the albums, and what I told 1:11:06.680 --> 1:11:10.479 him is every last one of our albums signifies a 1:11:10.760 --> 1:11:15.040 time period for me. So you know, you got you. 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:18.800 You know, Girls Ain't nothing but Trouble. It's new. 1:11:19.000 --> 1:11:19.479 You don't know. 1:11:19.680 --> 1:11:19.840 You know. 1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:21.840 I always tell everybody you have your whole life to 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:24.559 make your first album. You only have from the town 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:26.200 from your first album and your second album to make 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:31.840 your second album. And but you know, we we did 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:35.160 Girls Ain't Nothing but Trouble for the most part in 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:40.400 my MoU's basement. We did. He's the DJ, I'm the 1:11:40.520 --> 1:11:43.559 rapper in London. So both of those rucords were done 1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:47.560 in solitude. So I came up with the idea of 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:52.000 I want to do the third album at Compass Point 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:55.120 in the Bahamas. Oh wow, Okay, So we went to 1:11:55.200 --> 1:12:00.120 the Bahama because you know, I'm I'm I'm just point. Well, 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:01.880 first of all, it was flying because it was in 1:12:02.000 --> 1:12:03.200 the Bahamas. 1:12:03.320 --> 1:12:05.799 But I was being comfortable. 1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:11.560 I was really trying to keep the cycle going of 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:16.200 solitude because we were so big when we went into 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:18.960 the studio to do that album that we needed to 1:12:19.040 --> 1:12:20.200 go somewhere off the mat. 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:21.760 What the problem is. 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:27.560 We were big and had a lot of money, and 1:12:27.680 --> 1:12:30.720 let's talk about the fact that the Bahamas held all 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:34.360 of our equipment and customs for about ten days. 1:12:34.880 --> 1:12:38.200 And we're down there on the beach with a casino. 1:12:39.320 --> 1:12:41.080 So it was, you know, we had a house on 1:12:41.160 --> 1:12:45.000 the beach and we were flying people down and you know, 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:48.400 and it just we were not in the right headspace. 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:50.479 Like that's what I'm saying, Like I can listen to 1:12:50.600 --> 1:12:53.639 that album and I understand everything that you're saying because 1:12:53.720 --> 1:12:57.280 we were in you know, like it was we you know, 1:12:57.520 --> 1:12:59.599 Will would write for twenty minutes and be like, Yo, 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:01.479 I'm not feeling I'm about to go to the casino. 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:02.880 Wow, you know. 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:06.840 And we we left after a month with about two 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:09.080 and a half records done, so of course it was 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:11.240 kind of like, oh, we're in trouble. So we ended 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:14.439 up in k Jam in Philly and we finished it. 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:19.080 But when you think about it, girl, you know, girls 1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:22.880 ain't nothing but trouble is kind of relatable. Parents just 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:27.160 don't understand is relatable. I think I could beat Mike Tyson. 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:30.560 Only a motherfucker that know, Mike Tyson who's making some 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:33.439 money would say that we didn't even pay attention to it. 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:36.720 But but the thing is is that. 1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:42.240 It's kind of ship talking, which is relatable because everyone 1:13:42.360 --> 1:13:44.439 says that motherfuck up. 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:48.280 But you know, in the video and all the rest 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:51.080 of that now we was on because for me, I guess, 1:13:51.200 --> 1:13:53.919 like because I was a big Tyson fan and nobody 1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:57.040 thought that, like nobody really thought they could beat like 1:13:57.080 --> 1:13:57.679 you see. 1:13:58.400 --> 1:13:59.840 Like you watched the video and I don't think you 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:00.679 believed it either. 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:01.880 No, we didn't. 1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:05.479 I mean I think that was why the song. I 1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:07.479 think that's why I think the rollout, the. 1:14:07.600 --> 1:14:12.519 Rollout of that song kind of derailed and in this corner, 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:14.479 which I still feel is a solid right, Yeah. 1:14:14.320 --> 1:14:16.200 I think it's a wow. And I have a story 1:14:16.240 --> 1:14:17.880 about the song. I think I can beat Mike Tyson. 1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:24.519 I believe it's fifth grade music class. Fifth grade music class. 1:14:26.280 --> 1:14:29.040 The assignment is everybody has to lip sync a song 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:32.639 for the class. So I choose me and my friends 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:35.000 we chose. I think I can beat Mike Tyson and 1:14:35.120 --> 1:14:37.519 the teachers. You know these films everybody's lip sync routines, 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:40.280 and we're watching them while we're doing ours, and he's 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:43.400 got this angry look on his face. And at the 1:14:43.479 --> 1:14:45.560 end of the performance, we're like, why, why are you 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:47.439 so angry? He's like, oh, I turned the camera off. 1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:51.320 We're like, why you can't bring music with cussing in here? 1:14:52.200 --> 1:14:54.400 Apparently he didn't like when Will says, I'm getting the 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:56.560 hell out here, and at the end when he's like, goddamn. 1:14:57.320 --> 1:14:58.240 So we got in. 1:14:58.280 --> 1:15:00.960 Trouble for that. Make out so much for. 1:15:02.640 --> 1:15:02.880 PG. 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:06.400 Yes, yeah, I think, yeah, I have yeah, my I 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:10.479 think one of my ends. So this was third grade 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:10.760 for me. 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:13.680 We had or fourth grade we had to recite like 1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:16.880 a poem or something or some ship, and I think 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:19.400 I rapped Will's verse from time to chip. 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:21.479 Like that was. 1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:24.280 That was my recital. I got a A on it 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:25.240 on the assignment. 1:15:25.800 --> 1:15:30.840 But I gotta tell you I normally frowned at any 1:15:31.040 --> 1:15:33.320 use of the jam as a break. 1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:35.360 No more, Ono was the ship? 1:15:36.200 --> 1:15:42.120 That was the ship? Why did you have something against 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:46.439 the jam and the break? Because them it's like it's 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:48.920 like the end thing, like anytime I heard it, I 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:50.720 just think of VH one. So then you don't like 1:15:50.800 --> 1:15:53.240 Ashley's roach clip either. I really don't like that. 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:57.720 I respect it, but I never liked it and liked 1:15:57.760 --> 1:16:00.439 it ship boys. 1:16:02.640 --> 1:16:06.439 I never like Ashley's click. It just reminds me of like. 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:11.560 And even if we're really gonna talk about it, that 1:16:12.200 --> 1:16:12.880 album was slapping. 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:13.800 That was. 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:17.599 While we're on the subjects for a second. I listened 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:19.680 to that million album a couple of weeks ago, and 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:21.479 people were only pissed off because the dudes on the 1:16:21.479 --> 1:16:23.439 cover didn't sing. The weren't the ones that were singing 1:16:23.479 --> 1:16:26.280 the record. It was a good record, so the quality 1:16:26.320 --> 1:16:28.519 of the songs didn't matter to nobody. No, And I 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:31.400 think to the tragedy with them was that they were 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:37.640 too ahead of their time. It wouldn't it wouldn't. 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:40.719 Matter at all. That's that's going back to while everybody 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:44.439 was pissed off about the Brandy mc cover m it 1:16:44.560 --> 1:16:49.160 wasn't up the e listen put out now and we'd 1:16:49.200 --> 1:16:51.800 be good, y'all were. 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:58.599 I get it, settle, please settle along, you know, debate whatever, 1:16:59.680 --> 1:17:01.160 who summertime. 1:17:02.200 --> 1:17:09.800 Will it will listen. Let me tell you it's funny. 1:17:10.400 --> 1:17:12.960 Hold on, let me tell you what's funny for me 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:17.840 to be there and to hear all of the like, 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:20.720 understand that. The first time that I had experienced this 1:17:21.400 --> 1:17:28.240 was when we were on Fresh Prints and I started 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:33.320 getting the Will stop the show so he can go 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:37.639 car shopping. And I remember coming in mad, like, Yo, 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:39.200 that shit never happened? 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:40.559 How did it just go? Sit? 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:43.280 And Will just started laughing like, yo, that's what they do, 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:45.840 like they just blatantly lied. I was you know, I'm 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:51.920 kind of like, you can't blatantly lie. So understand, Will 1:17:52.000 --> 1:17:55.840 wrote Summertime. Summertime was made for Will. You know what? 1:17:56.080 --> 1:17:57.040 It wasn't any. 1:17:56.960 --> 1:18:00.240 Who told us that the music was made for Rocky Him. 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:03.960 I've heard it. I've heard that came from somebody that 1:18:04.040 --> 1:18:07.200 didn't want to pulling fingers someone. 1:18:10.200 --> 1:18:13.640 Was it search that? 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:18.000 All I'm saying is like, I was there. 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:19.599 You know what I mean. 1:18:20.200 --> 1:18:27.040 I'm like, so, no, it wasn't. It wasn't for rock Him. 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:29.000 It wasn't written for rock Him. 1:18:29.640 --> 1:18:34.560 That song was birthed from Will being in in l 1:18:34.640 --> 1:18:37.519 A for the first year of the Fresh Prince, and 1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:41.160 of course the season's changed and it's not the same 1:18:41.400 --> 1:18:44.320 out there as it is in Philly. In Philly, first 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:49.760 day today outside, everybody's outside cars blasting cars clean, the 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:50.800 driving down the street. 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:54.519 South Street is popping right now. That's that's what we 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:55.400 all had. 1:18:55.960 --> 1:19:01.240 Anybody who has a four season climate know when spring comes, 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:04.839 everybody comes out. The girl gained a couple of pounds 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:08.160 and she looks great. She was skinny last year. And 1:19:08.400 --> 1:19:10.479 Will called and was just like, yo, what's up. I 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:13.120 was like, yo, seventy five degrees out, just got mccar 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:14.320 claim went to the plaque suns. 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:19.360 We just having just Philly dialogue. And that was reminiscent 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:20.479 to that. 1:19:20.640 --> 1:19:22.920 You know, that was something to him that that's what 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:27.919 he wrote about, Like the whole versus Summertime is basically 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:34.000 talking about the season changing from winner to to you know, wait, 1:19:34.120 --> 1:19:38.120 we're forgetting something, we're forgetting in a very important fact, 1:19:39.920 --> 1:19:42.920 if it were not for I think I could beat 1:19:42.960 --> 1:19:47.479 Mike Tyson, Will and Jeff wouldn't have performed that on 1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:51.479 the Arsenial Hall Show then, and Quincy Jones would have 1:19:51.640 --> 1:19:53.120 never seen that performance. 1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:58.799 So technically so that the show that song saved the first. 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:05.599 Changed it was. It wasn't totally that they paid attention 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:10.240 to parents because they've been watching. Oh yeah, they paid 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:13.800 attention to parents, like from from parents on down. They 1:20:13.840 --> 1:20:16.599 were like, he can he can act. They kept except 1:20:16.640 --> 1:20:19.639 for the opening credits, you know, so you know, Quincy 1:20:19.760 --> 1:20:23.760 was just kind of like, that's something for you. I 1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:25.840 remember my mom being upset that they didn't use the 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:34.160 mom from the video who was on what the pin 1:20:35.439 --> 1:20:40.479 and this was extras? I don't know, you know, yeah, 1:20:40.640 --> 1:20:45.439 Vanessa Williams. Vanessa Williams was the girl in the car 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:58.240 with Will. That's right, Yeah, that's Vanessa van that's her. Yeah, yeah, 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:02.320 and you know that's Nola Darling in the video right, yes, yeah? 1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:06.960 Were you always a part of that equation? They figured 1:21:07.000 --> 1:21:09.960 out the show stuff, just asked like he not the 1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:13.080 When did they realized? They was like, this, motherfucker right 1:21:13.120 --> 1:21:13.920 here we missing out. 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:14.920 No listen. 1:21:15.160 --> 1:21:18.880 They Will did the pilot and then when they first 1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:21.479 started doing the episodes, they were just like, you know, 1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:25.600 because you and him had chemistry in the video, you 1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:27.519 should come and do the show. And I was like, nah, 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:31.880 what I meant? First of all, I didn't. That wasn't 1:21:31.920 --> 1:21:36.160 what I wanted to do. It was also weird because 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:39.800 when when Will went out and did the audition and 1:21:39.960 --> 1:21:41.680 came back and he was like, yo, I got a 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:45.080 TV show. Understand. I'm thinking this is a dude holding 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:47.479 the camp corner. I didn't think it was a TV 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.600 show until he showed the pilot and then it was 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:54.120 people that you've seen on television in the pilot. But 1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:57.080 then you realized that this is professionally done. I'm like, 1:21:57.200 --> 1:21:59.960 oh shit, this is like shit looked like The Cosby Show. 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:03.840 So when they were like, hey, you know you want 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:05.760 to do it, I was kind of like no, And 1:22:05.840 --> 1:22:08.280 they were like, listen, we want to put you in 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:12.240 three episodes and and if you like it, you got 1:22:12.280 --> 1:22:14.360 two more to look forward to. If you don't like it, 1:22:14.439 --> 1:22:18.280 you got only two more to do. I hate to 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:25.200 tell you this now my favorite cutting and scratching of yours. 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:29.280 Oh my god. It's from the pilot when you're cutting 1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:37.240 up the uh the classical music, like I can tell you, 1:22:38.000 --> 1:22:40.200 I can tell you authentically cutting it. Yeah, but it 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:43.559 is just the fact that you're doing set up cups 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:45.360 for a stab that do. 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:49.120 I was like, you saw that, you saw that. I 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:51.759 was I had to being. 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:53.320 Nothing. 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:58.479 It was I love like I watched that so many times. Man, 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:01.320 you talked before me and you've had conversation. You was 1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:05.240 talking about how the difference between music money and TV 1:23:05.400 --> 1:23:08.439 money and how TV takes so much better. 1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:12.759 Care of you. Listen. We you know, it was funny 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:15.720 because you know, back in the day, you had a 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:19.000 Nike connect and the Nike was saying, Nike was sending 1:23:19.000 --> 1:23:22.800 you some sneakers. They send you, you know, some Airmax 1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:27.880 or something. And then we get on TV and they 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:32.519 are bringing boxes and boxes of stuff in, you know, 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:35.560 so we was getting music stuff and TV stuff. The 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:38.320 TV stuff was just ridiculous. They would have you go 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:41.120 to the warehouse and you would just bring it. They 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:44.400 would just you know, your car was full of stuff, 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:48.280 you know, and they just took care of you. And 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:51.800 what I didn't realize was there was an episode that 1:23:51.880 --> 1:23:54.799 we did of our senial hall and they would always 1:23:55.000 --> 1:23:57.880 black out the Nike swoons. They would put an X 1:23:58.000 --> 1:24:00.839 over it. They would always because you know, you couldn't 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:04.840 sell it. And Arseno asked me something about me still 1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:08.120 living at my mom's house and I was like, listen, man, 1:24:08.200 --> 1:24:11.000 I love my mom. I'm comfortable here. And when he 1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:13.200 said it, I took my feet and I put it 1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:15.560 on the couch and I crossed my feet and that 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:19.960 Air Jordan logo was there. Yo. I never got laced 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:24.320 with that much stuff in my life ever, just from 1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:27.720 crossing my feet and that logo up there, because it 1:24:27.840 --> 1:24:31.639 was kind of like they couldn't blur it out. Ye man, listen, 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:33.360 the boxes just kept coming. 1:24:33.840 --> 1:24:36.120 So outside of the money though, Jeff, when was the 1:24:36.200 --> 1:24:40.320 moment that you knew I kind of liked this shit TV? Yeah, 1:24:40.560 --> 1:24:44.040 the TV show whatever. At some point. 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:49.400 I didn't you know what was cool? Well, first of all, 1:24:49.840 --> 1:24:53.080 you're doing a TV show and you're used to being 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:56.280 on stage with twenty five thousand people. It's one hundred 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:59.200 people there. So it was no, there was not an 1:24:59.280 --> 1:25:02.200 ounce of nerves, nerves at all because it's one hundred people, 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:05.240 you know, and you don't but because your brain is 1:25:05.320 --> 1:25:08.040 not thinking of how many people are actually going to 1:25:08.080 --> 1:25:12.240 see that. And it was really different because it really 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:16.519 changed that you're going out process. It wasn't you know, 1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:18.240 I could go to you know, I could go to 1:25:19.280 --> 1:25:23.040 Springfield Mall and and and kind of get away with it. 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:25.439 You know, you do the TV show and you're going 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:28.679 to Springfield Mall and it's sixty year old white women 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:35.479 calling you jazz and they always somebody, yeah, no, we're 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:44.360 not doing that. Is TV realized that secretly the Fresh 1:25:44.400 --> 1:25:47.120 Prince of bel Air is responsible for Friends, right. 1:25:48.720 --> 1:25:52.040 Really all right, so you know the you've seen the 1:25:52.120 --> 1:25:58.559 jay Z video for That's right, all right, So basically I. 1:26:00.160 --> 1:26:00.600 Don't want to. 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:02.479 For it. 1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:05.840 So basically I heard about it, all right. 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:09.120 I thought the one that he did for yeah, I 1:26:09.160 --> 1:26:12.599 saw that, so basically, uh, I don't. 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:15.400 It was Brendon Tartakoff, still president of NBC at the 1:26:15.439 --> 1:26:17.920 time when you guys were doing Fresh Princes. Yeah, okay, 1:26:18.720 --> 1:26:22.679 so uh he had a chance to also get Living Single, 1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:28.639 and he he said one of his regrets was letting 1:26:28.720 --> 1:26:33.640 his his staff or his uh yeah, his staff or 1:26:33.720 --> 1:26:37.920 his uh uh coworkers talk him out of getting Living Single. 1:26:38.000 --> 1:26:41.000 He said, I always love that show, and their thing 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:44.040 was like, well, we already got a Fresh Prince of 1:26:44.080 --> 1:26:47.200 bel Air, Like we don't need to it's basically the same, 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:51.719 And so it went to Fox and and his regret 1:26:51.880 --> 1:26:56.720 he was like, yo, I always wanted a show like 1:26:56.840 --> 1:26:59.360 Living Single. So then he told marta coffin and then 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:03.400 to make me a white living single and thus made friends. 1:27:03.840 --> 1:27:04.080 Wow. 1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:07.960 Yeah, but based on the fact that they already had 1:27:08.240 --> 1:27:11.800 the Black the Black Comedy Show on NBC, so we 1:27:11.920 --> 1:27:13.200 don't need a second one. 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:16.080 So that's crazy. We have to wait ten years for 1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:19.240 a black person on there. Gabrielle Union and I was 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:22.160 Tyler that you watched Friends. 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:24.880 I might have. 1:27:25.600 --> 1:27:27.200 I didn't watch. I didn't watch it. I did not 1:27:27.200 --> 1:27:29.599 have the wait. But y'all watched Sex in the City. 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:33.680 Though I didn't watch, I watched it watch. I just 1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:41.840 know that jesus Se City had sucking in it, soformatives. 1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:44.920 You know, didn't want people. It was one episode. 1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:46.840 Show. 1:27:48.479 --> 1:27:51.800 So with the with the meteoric rise of the Fresh 1:27:51.840 --> 1:27:56.400 Prince of bel Air and instead of this being a 1:27:56.520 --> 1:28:00.400 side gig to Jazzy Jeff for the Fresh Prince, how 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:04.400 how are you now figuring out what your life is 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:07.959 about to be? As far as oh, I was terrified, 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:11.840 really well, I mean so that David Spade joke upset you, 1:28:12.160 --> 1:28:13.840 but joke never mind. 1:28:14.280 --> 1:28:15.080 I want to know. 1:28:16.920 --> 1:28:20.559 You remember the Hollywood minute where on Saturday Live they 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:25.680 let him they'd let him just go wrote like Eddie Murphy. Uh, 1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:32.240 actually Eddie Charles would go back on life because of 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:34.360 something that. But Charles Murphy came to. 1:28:34.720 --> 1:28:38.000 The Rock with David s Bates ass and David like 1:28:38.120 --> 1:28:40.320 his like actually stayed away from like. 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:42.200 Like that's why he won't come back to any of 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:43.280 the reunion specials to eight. 1:28:44.400 --> 1:28:49.679 He came back finally for the the fortieth celebration. Yeah, 1:28:49.800 --> 1:28:52.360 but he wouldn't do Bill Cosby jokes. But he came 1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:55.760 back at least. But you know, it's like Spade just 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:58.200 going rogue for three minutes, and I guess the punchline 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:01.000 was uh no no, no, no no, and Jazz you 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:02.840 Jeff wants to know, are you going. 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:06.360 To eat that? Oh wow, you got that joke instantly? 1:29:07.680 --> 1:29:10.120 Why would you get that joke? I think it's funny? 1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:16.080 So okay, at that. 1:29:16.200 --> 1:29:19.800 Time, you didn't, I mean, did you think that this 1:29:19.880 --> 1:29:22.000 is the end of the career and that we're just 1:29:22.080 --> 1:29:24.560 what I mean, you know what we You know, you 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:29.240 got to understand that. Well, when you think about it, 1:29:30.000 --> 1:29:33.200 The Fresh Prince came out when we had summertime out, 1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:36.280 so we were actually on the biggest high we've ever 1:29:36.360 --> 1:29:36.680 been on. 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:42.680 Show, the same album as Bee. 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:45.320 Yeah, oh yeah, it was that was home but it's 1:29:45.439 --> 1:29:47.960 but you got to understand that it was you're also 1:29:49.240 --> 1:29:55.759 you know, paying attention to the trajectory of other rap people, 1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:59.519 and it's kind of like, okay, we had not gotten 1:29:59.600 --> 1:30:03.519 to the that we had any legacy artists, so it 1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:05.120 was kind of like, okay, I don't know if this 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:08.040 shit is like three albums, four albums and then we're 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:12.000 gonna go to something else. You know, understand, it was 1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:16.120 a huge accomplishment to have, you know, go from three 1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:19.760 million records to a million records on and in this 1:30:19.920 --> 1:30:23.480 corner was deemed a failure and come back with Summertime. 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:27.640 There's there had never been a rap comeback, so you know, 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:29.439 to kind of get to the point because like this 1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:32.120 would you have to keep in mind we want to 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:40.280 we want to Grammy in nineteen eighty nine or eighty eight, 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:46.760 eighty eight, and we won one in ninety three, Like 1:30:46.920 --> 1:30:50.160 who else won a Grammy in that time span that 1:30:50.360 --> 1:30:52.560 that was hip hop? So we were supposed to be 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:56.679 old and done. So Summertime you're looking at it like, okay, 1:30:56.760 --> 1:30:59.720 we're back. But the thing that scared me is this 1:30:59.840 --> 1:31:03.640 is uncharted territory. I can't call it. I don't know 1:31:03.800 --> 1:31:07.920 if listen. And that was that was that was scary 1:31:08.120 --> 1:31:13.040 because you know, you like to be around with girls. 1:31:13.080 --> 1:31:15.120 The number of trouble parents just don't understand. And then 1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:17.519 Young MC came out with Bust to Move was a 1:31:17.640 --> 1:31:21.919 completely left field. Now we got tempo. Now you're dancing 1:31:22.360 --> 1:31:25.120 and ain't nobody was dancing the girls ain't number of trouble. 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:28.720 So so you started seeing all these shifts and now 1:31:28.880 --> 1:31:31.519 you're trying to pay attention to what the shift is. 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:34.880 So you know, we got and then the TV show 1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:37.760 came and I'm like, Okay, I'm a reoccurring character. The 1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:40.920 money is great, but this isn't what I'm trying to do. 1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:45.240 So but they're giving you more storyline. Now you're getting. 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:59.640 Man kill off. 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:02.520 Ain't from the Cosby showy. 1:32:03.080 --> 1:32:04.559 Or from the from be. 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:13.040 Limp Malcolm Jamal Warner for over a decade. 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:14.960 I like her? 1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:19.439 Wait really that was he was engaged to. 1:32:21.520 --> 1:32:22.000 What's your name? 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:26.880 Justine? 1:32:27.640 --> 1:32:29.920 Yeah, that was the way after they Michelle Thomas. 1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:33.719 That's Michelle Thomas said Williams. Sorry. 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:36.200 So like, how when y'all got to the to the 1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:39.320 last album on job, the co Red album, how did that? 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:41.360 I mean because you would think that, Okay, we're on 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:44.160 the TV show shows still popping like man, listen, So. 1:32:45.000 --> 1:32:48.560 We got to when we when when we did the 1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:56.639 promo tour for the the album after Home matter of fact, 1:32:56.640 --> 1:33:00.120 when we did the promo tour for Home Base, you know, 1:33:00.200 --> 1:33:02.439 we you know how you go into different regions, you know, 1:33:02.600 --> 1:33:05.320 the promotion got there and we got cool with a 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:07.719 couple of them, and it was wild because I remember 1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:11.120 him saying to Will and I he said, ever since 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:15.320 and in this corner, Jive has been betting against you. 1:33:15.439 --> 1:33:15.719 Guys. 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:18.479 He's like, they don't they don't believe in you. He 1:33:18.640 --> 1:33:20.320 was like, you did you have the biggest record of 1:33:20.360 --> 1:33:22.160 your career and they think it's a flute. 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:23.040 Wow. 1:33:23.200 --> 1:33:26.600 So they're they're really not, you know, believing in you, 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:30.479 you know, and so you started to kind of feel 1:33:30.600 --> 1:33:33.280 that that it's kind of like, yeah, it was just 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:37.040 you know because because you know, around that time was 1:33:37.120 --> 1:33:39.719 when they started messing with new kids on the block. 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:44.840 You know, now now understand they got straight dedicated pop 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:49.800 Actstreet and then you know, and then you know, so 1:33:49.920 --> 1:33:54.040 they're making money overhand over fists, you know, and you 1:33:54.200 --> 1:33:57.880 almost start to become this afterthought that the the only 1:33:57.960 --> 1:34:00.360 thing is we had the popularity vote because because of 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:01.320 the television show. 1:34:02.080 --> 1:34:05.439 But they you know, they were kind of like, nah. 1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:08.280 So when we you know, we got to the last album, 1:34:09.080 --> 1:34:11.960 in my brain, I was kind of like, Okay, what 1:34:12.240 --> 1:34:14.800 other hip hop act do you know that has reached 1:34:14.840 --> 1:34:18.559 the last album? So I'm you know, so now now 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:20.479 my business brain is going in. It's like, okay, you 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:23.760 don't cross coladalize every album that we had. When you 1:34:23.880 --> 1:34:26.439 get to the point that you have nothing to cross 1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:28.960 it to, you gotta pay me all that back money. 1:34:29.680 --> 1:34:32.240 So I'm like, oh my god, like, you know, let's 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:34.840 just keep up, you know, so that we don't have 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:38.160 a complete failure, but we're gonna end up getting some money. 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:43.439 So we The funny thing in our deal they had 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:47.200 an option for greatest hits. Oh wow, So first of all, 1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:50.000 the greatest hits in hip hop deems your career. Yeah, 1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:52.960 you're done. So when we got to the last album, 1:34:53.000 --> 1:34:55.160 they were like, listen, you know, we want you guys 1:34:55.200 --> 1:34:57.960 to do the greatest hits. And we were like, well, 1:34:58.000 --> 1:34:59.840 we really don't want to do greatest hits because we're 1:34:59.880 --> 1:35:02.800 not done and we think this signifies to end. And 1:35:02.840 --> 1:35:04.120 they were like, well, we really want you to do 1:35:04.200 --> 1:35:08.160 the greatest hits. And it was wild because in the mail. 1:35:08.920 --> 1:35:11.920 A four hundred thousand dollars check came and it was 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:15.120 for the album, and I was just like, yo, for 1:35:15.240 --> 1:35:17.519 the greatest Hits album. Oh yeah, Like as soon as 1:35:17.560 --> 1:35:21.080 we cast it, then we're liable. And what they didn't 1:35:21.120 --> 1:35:24.599 expect is we sent it back because we knew Liken. 1:35:24.960 --> 1:35:26.559 You know, we got TV show and all the rest 1:35:26.600 --> 1:35:31.040 of this. So we basically sat down, you know, we 1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:35.200 sat down and basically said, listen, you know what, we've 1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:36.960 been on job for ten years. 1:35:37.240 --> 1:35:39.360 You can't really say that for a bunch. 1:35:39.479 --> 1:35:43.080 We had a lot of success, but Will wants to 1:35:43.160 --> 1:35:46.519 go and really get deep into his movies. Jeff really 1:35:46.520 --> 1:35:49.479 wants to go and get deep in his production. Quietly, 1:35:49.880 --> 1:35:52.320 Will and I were looking to sign a really really 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:55.920 big record deal with somebody else, and you know, they 1:35:55.960 --> 1:35:57.840 were like, hey, no one has ever come to us 1:35:57.920 --> 1:36:00.920 and said this. You know, we're gonna down and we're 1:36:00.960 --> 1:36:03.519 gonna think about it. And we were like okay, And 1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:06.200 two weeks later we got hit with a lawsuit. 1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:08.840 I lost from job. 1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:13.040 Oh yeah, oh listen. Jobs sued us because they said 1:36:13.560 --> 1:36:17.479 our extra curricular activities are interfering with us making. 1:36:17.400 --> 1:36:21.960 Music, and I'm like, wait a minute, didn't understand. 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:25.559 I don't think it was Barry, like this goes beyond 1:36:26.360 --> 1:36:29.680 the president and the vice president and you know, but 1:36:29.800 --> 1:36:31.560 it's you know, it's just it really got to a 1:36:31.600 --> 1:36:36.519 point that I was kind of like, that was the wow. 1:36:36.800 --> 1:36:42.040 So this is my this is my retirement party. And 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.360 I don't get a go watch. I don't get a party, 1:36:45.400 --> 1:36:47.400 I don't get a cake. I get a lawsuit. 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:49.160 You know what I mean? 1:36:49.240 --> 1:36:52.960 Ten years, you know, me and Will probably collectively with 1:36:53.120 --> 1:36:56.760 albums and singles, sold ten million records for Jobs and 1:36:56.880 --> 1:37:00.000 we got a lawsuit. Like that's that's how we went out, 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:05.360 Like and I said this, people don't understand. Will and 1:37:05.479 --> 1:37:10.040 I have zero ownership of any of the records. We 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:15.000 did nothing. So everybody, oh my god, you know you guys, 1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:18.240 Summertimes is the anthem every time they play that shit. 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:23.040 We get zero because we had to do that in 1:37:23.160 --> 1:37:27.400 the settlement with Job. Now, what I will say my 1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:32.479 redemption was that gave me my freedom. Everybody kind of 1:37:32.520 --> 1:37:34.519 looks at it like, you know, you and Will kind 1:37:34.520 --> 1:37:37.680 of split up. I could have I could have went 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:41.519 with Will at to Sony. I couldn't go back into that. 1:37:42.400 --> 1:37:45.120 I just I was I just broke. It made so 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:47.160 much sense for Will because Will had a movie deal 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:50.920 at Sony, so the movie can tell me. But what 1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:55.960 I loved was the first record that Will did. Like 1:37:56.040 --> 1:37:58.639 every record that Will has done, I had some level 1:37:58.680 --> 1:38:01.439 of involvement it. First record Will did was the Wild 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:05.479 Wild West soundtrack and that sold five million copies. The 1:38:05.600 --> 1:38:08.759 next record that Will did was Big Willie Saule twenty 1:38:09.280 --> 1:38:17.080 six million copies. We did the American Music Award and 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:22.880 we got in the elevator with Barry. It was oh man, 1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:25.760 it was Barry the owner, Clive, it was a couple 1:38:25.800 --> 1:38:28.280 of other people, old job fevers, and we got we 1:38:28.360 --> 1:38:31.439 got in the elevator and the elevator door closed, and 1:38:31.600 --> 1:38:35.040 Barrier's like, hey man, you know, congratulations, you know to 1:38:35.160 --> 1:38:37.519 you guys, you know winning and you know, like, oh, 1:38:37.680 --> 1:38:40.240 thank you. And it got quiet, and I looked over 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:42.599 at Will and it's kind of listen. I'm pretty sure 1:38:42.800 --> 1:38:45.360 you know, Rieke. You know when Reek is going to 1:38:45.479 --> 1:38:47.680 say or do something, we gotta look. We have got 1:38:47.720 --> 1:38:52.519 a conversation. And I looked and I when I looked 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:56.080 and I saw Will's jawline bulging. I was like, oh. 1:38:56.600 --> 1:38:59.920 And Will turned around and he said yeah, this is 1:39:00.160 --> 1:39:02.960 really good for someone that you threw in the trash. 1:39:05.400 --> 1:39:06.800 And listen. 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:10.679 It was no, we didn't do it. No, it wasn't 1:39:10.760 --> 1:39:13.479 like that in sudden sense, you know, and everybody calmed 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:16.560 down and elevated doors opened and listen. I jumped on 1:39:16.640 --> 1:39:21.160 Will's back because that if there was ever a redemption 1:39:22.000 --> 1:39:26.240 to think that you did. You know, you you thought like, okay, 1:39:26.320 --> 1:39:29.880 it's over, it's over and done with, you know, and 1:39:30.000 --> 1:39:31.160 it was kind of like, okay. 1:39:31.040 --> 1:39:34.559 Cool, wow, wow, Wow, we got. 1:39:34.479 --> 1:39:42.439 A little home movie called Men in Black. You took 1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:44.280 residency of the studio four. 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:47.560 Well, you always had residency there because when I was 1:39:47.720 --> 1:39:51.360 interning that Rose Records, you always had your studio there. 1:39:51.800 --> 1:39:56.559 So talk about developing the second phase of the Sound 1:39:56.640 --> 1:39:59.920 of Philadelphia, uh with Dre and Videll with CARV. 1:40:00.280 --> 1:40:05.559 I mean it's you know, it was always my passion 1:40:06.160 --> 1:40:11.479 for production, and I basically took all my money and 1:40:11.520 --> 1:40:14.960 bought equipment, you know. So I always had a room, 1:40:15.160 --> 1:40:18.040 you know, I always had a studio and it and 1:40:18.160 --> 1:40:21.360 it was just really the desire to have to have 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:25.479 or find like minded people that wanted to make records. Understand. 1:40:27.080 --> 1:40:29.839 I remember when when I when I got the studio 1:40:30.000 --> 1:40:35.519 for and and I put the studio in. I almost 1:40:35.680 --> 1:40:38.120 had a meeting with all of the studio owners in 1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:42.160 Philly because they didn't they thought that I was trying 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:45.560 to open up a commercial facility, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no, 1:40:45.680 --> 1:40:48.200 I'm opening up a production studio, which I knew they 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:50.720 all thought I was crazy. And I was like, no, 1:40:50.960 --> 1:40:54.519 I'm I'm opening up a studio that's just going to 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:59.160 be for music production that we do, because I know 1:40:59.360 --> 1:41:01.600 if I don't have this, I'm gonna rent one of 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:04.759 your guys. I'm just I'm just with already on equipment, 1:41:05.080 --> 1:41:07.680 so let's do it. And it was just literally, you know, 1:41:07.760 --> 1:41:10.960 you start finding guys. I would. I would go to 1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:13.439 music stores, you know, and you would see somebody in 1:41:13.439 --> 1:41:15.599 the music store playing keys, and hey, what's up man? 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:17.280 You know, you want to try to do such and such, 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:20.639 and and it just started like we had no idea 1:41:20.720 --> 1:41:25.400 what we were doing, you know, and you just learned 1:41:25.600 --> 1:41:29.880 by experience. You learn, you know, by cutting stuff that 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:33.519 wasn't good, doing stuff unorthodox, you know. It was. It 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:35.800 was a lot of the records that I made, I 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:39.000 did stuff that you weren't supposed to do. But that's 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:41.160 how you learned to do with you know, with jazz 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:42.519 and Jeff and the Fresh Prince. So it was the 1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:46.040 same thing the entire time. We had a touch of jazz. 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:49.680 No one ever knew. We never had an engineer. It 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:55.679 was never an engineer. Oh we did like feet out Keith, 1:41:56.479 --> 1:42:00.639 you know myself. We never had an engineer. And hear 1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:03.280 me when I say we never had an engineer. Jill 1:42:04.240 --> 1:42:07.880 Flow Atry Music, Oh no, we did all of that. 1:42:08.320 --> 1:42:10.759 Listen if you look at the back of Jill's album. 1:42:11.280 --> 1:42:15.240 You know who mixed Jill's album. George Glass. You know 1:42:15.280 --> 1:42:19.840 who George Glass is Marsha Brady's imaginary friend. 1:42:23.360 --> 1:42:25.240 I did wonder about that. I just figured there was, 1:42:25.280 --> 1:42:28.400 you know, George. They would not have accepted that I 1:42:28.680 --> 1:42:29.639 mixed that album. 1:42:30.280 --> 1:42:34.280 We weren't there yet. We weren't there yet. First of all, 1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:37.560 you got a hip hop guy that is responsible for 1:42:37.840 --> 1:42:40.479 this kind of music. Like I was smart enough to know, 1:42:40.960 --> 1:42:44.000 don't put your name on like like, I know people 1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:48.920 who and this is this is sidetrack. I know DJs 1:42:49.240 --> 1:42:53.920 that have mixers out that their name is on the mixer, 1:42:54.920 --> 1:42:58.160 and I'm like this, you know how hip hop is 1:42:58.920 --> 1:43:01.080 I'm sorry, it could be the this mix in the world. 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:04.960 I can't use it if your name is on it. Like, 1:43:05.080 --> 1:43:07.519 I think it's the genius thing that we have people 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:12.280 that run major music festivals behind the scenes that people 1:43:12.360 --> 1:43:15.280 don't know because they know this can't be the sus 1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:18.720 and such festival or the Sesson Like hip hop. Hip 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:21.360 hop isn't based like that. So it was the same thing, 1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:24.760 like I'm not gonna fucking listen to anybody singing that 1:43:24.880 --> 1:43:27.320 Jazzy Jeff got something to do with it. Yeah, it's like, 1:43:27.479 --> 1:43:31.479 so you just puffed Addy Jeans John, you just don't 1:43:31.640 --> 1:43:33.800 you just don't say anything. But still. 1:43:36.800 --> 1:43:39.200 So all that, so all that ship, so all those guys, 1:43:39.240 --> 1:43:42.639 because I mean at the time when we first when 1:43:42.680 --> 1:43:45.320 I first really met you, was around that time. It 1:43:45.439 --> 1:43:47.760 was like oh two three when the listening it kind 1:43:47.800 --> 1:43:51.599 of just came out and everybody was telling us like, yo, man, 1:43:52.000 --> 1:43:54.200 Jazzy Jeff, I got to copy your album from Jeff. 1:43:54.000 --> 1:43:56.240 And I was like, he knows who we are, Like 1:43:56.320 --> 1:43:58.360 I didn't think you had no clue who tou we. 1:43:59.600 --> 1:44:02.599 I never stopped scouring for music, and I know Scott 1:44:02.760 --> 1:44:05.519 listening for people. You know, that was the whole thing, 1:44:05.680 --> 1:44:10.200 like it's it was a love before it was a job. 1:44:12.160 --> 1:44:15.360 So you just you know, it's kind of like you 1:44:15.439 --> 1:44:18.799 know you you it's when you hear something and it resonates, 1:44:18.840 --> 1:44:20.479 you want to pass it on. And that was that 1:44:20.640 --> 1:44:24.040 was another thing like with with with Jill when we 1:44:24.240 --> 1:44:30.639 did we I met Jill twice. My son's mom introduced 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:35.200 me to Jill, and we saw each other and we 1:44:35.360 --> 1:44:37.360 talked and it was almost kind of like this ain't 1:44:37.439 --> 1:44:40.439 the right time. And I remember riding up the street 1:44:41.040 --> 1:44:43.920 and I rode past footworks when when Barbido and Rich 1:44:44.000 --> 1:44:47.519 had it and Jill was standing outside and she said, Hey, 1:44:47.560 --> 1:44:50.320 what's up? And I said what's up? We started talking Jill. 1:44:51.720 --> 1:44:54.840 I took Jill to the studio and I went through 1:44:54.880 --> 1:44:57.280 a bunch of music and I gave her a track 1:44:57.960 --> 1:45:01.080 and she left. And the next day Jill called and 1:45:01.080 --> 1:45:03.560 said I wrote something, And I picked Jill up and 1:45:03.840 --> 1:45:07.040 drove and we parked on Penn's landing and Jill sang 1:45:07.120 --> 1:45:10.800 me long walk from beginning to end WHOA And went 1:45:10.880 --> 1:45:13.240 to the studio and cut it and it was just 1:45:13.360 --> 1:45:15.160 kind of like tell V to al Dre listen, you know, 1:45:15.240 --> 1:45:18.640 we're cutting and we just all of Jill's songs. The 1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:21.920 bulk of Jill's first album was done in probably about 1:45:22.000 --> 1:45:24.640 nine days. Wow that she was just cutting and we 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:28.040 would do it. What I did that was extremely unorthodox, 1:45:28.200 --> 1:45:30.960 especially at that time. I had a CD burner. I 1:45:31.080 --> 1:45:34.280 burnt those non songs and I gave it to everybody 1:45:34.400 --> 1:45:37.400 I knew that loved music, like because before you kind 1:45:37.400 --> 1:45:37.920 of don't. 1:45:39.120 --> 1:45:40.559 I gave it to everybody. 1:45:41.760 --> 1:45:45.360 But it was crazy because it actually ended up in 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:49.240 the Sony office that the Sony executives thought it was 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:51.040 something that they signed. 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:54.120 Because everybody was playing it in the office. But that's 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:54.680 how it got. 1:45:54.760 --> 1:45:57.360 It got to Jimmy Jame and Terry Lewis and they 1:45:57.479 --> 1:45:59.519 flew us out there because they wanted to sign it. 1:46:00.560 --> 1:46:07.200 And it's made it made its way to choose, well, 1:46:07.439 --> 1:46:10.439 you know, I didn't choose Michael Jordan. I choose Steve mckeev. 1:46:12.120 --> 1:46:15.400 At the time, it was like, Michael Jordan, let me, okay, 1:46:15.520 --> 1:46:18.080 so I'm gonna tell you half of this because I 1:46:18.200 --> 1:46:23.000 know I know you would understand the other half. I 1:46:23.200 --> 1:46:26.800 chose Hidden Beach because I knew they were going to 1:46:27.000 --> 1:46:31.680 let us do the album with no interference. Because I 1:46:31.840 --> 1:46:36.080 had a very good friend. We had a very good 1:46:36.160 --> 1:46:40.519 friend that I realized did some stuff that he didn't 1:46:40.520 --> 1:46:46.439 get credit for. And that was the deciding factor to 1:46:46.560 --> 1:46:52.200 make me go to Steve. I'm not listening. I'm not 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:58.040 because I'm I know he would know, and you know, 1:46:58.240 --> 1:47:01.880 but it was it was crazy because it was almost 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:05.479 like it's almost like you have a really good friend 1:47:05.560 --> 1:47:08.519 that tells you don't mess with this girl, right, and 1:47:08.800 --> 1:47:11.360 and that's why you chose the person that you're with now. 1:47:13.160 --> 1:47:16.720 And it was it was you know, so, wait, where 1:47:16.880 --> 1:47:19.000 was you got me in this equation? I'm just in the. 1:47:20.120 --> 1:47:22.680 Slightly around the corner. Wait, do you remember driving the 1:47:22.880 --> 1:47:29.960 yellow Pathfinder? I remember driving so all right, Remember I 1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:32.160 told you all the heavy D is going to kill me. 1:47:32.840 --> 1:47:36.160 Let me tell I told you all the heavy D 1:47:36.320 --> 1:47:36.840 is going to kill me? 1:47:36.920 --> 1:47:37.160 Story? 1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:42.280 Well, the original one the boys right was a mirror's 1:47:42.320 --> 1:47:47.160 first drive by. I was walking down like late at 1:47:47.240 --> 1:47:51.120 night on Chestnut Street in Philadelphia and this yellow Pathfinder 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:54.840 drives by me and then stops and then like gray 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:59.080 poopon style, comes backwards and rolls down the window and 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:02.160 I was seeking sitting on myself. I was like, uh, 1:48:02.560 --> 1:48:05.320 this is where I die, Someone's gonna kill me in 1:48:05.400 --> 1:48:07.000 a yellow pathfinder. 1:48:07.600 --> 1:48:10.160 And somebody killing you in a yellow pathline and a. 1:48:10.200 --> 1:48:14.400 Banana yellow path find And it was Jazzy Jeff like 1:48:14.640 --> 1:48:17.679 what he's saying, Yo, you're in the roots right from 1:48:17.760 --> 1:48:21.320 Jazzy Jeff. Oh Jeff, I love you man, And then 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:25.599 he sped off, and that was how I met him. 1:48:25.640 --> 1:48:29.439 But then I started working at Studio four and. 1:48:31.160 --> 1:48:33.439 You know, so then into jail and you got me. 1:48:36.360 --> 1:48:37.639 How did that timeline work? 1:48:38.920 --> 1:48:45.639 I first saw Jill there was a poetry slam fifty 1:48:45.760 --> 1:48:50.719 second in Baltimore, fifty fourth in Baltimore, like Deep West Philly. 1:48:50.880 --> 1:48:52.200 She was doing the sexy poems. 1:48:53.000 --> 1:48:59.559 Yo. That was recently. Yeah, no, I'm telling y'all, Jill 1:48:59.760 --> 1:49:09.360 was always poet poets and even the dudes. She It's 1:49:09.439 --> 1:49:13.519 something about Jill's voice similar to that of when Deanna 1:49:13.520 --> 1:49:18.240 Williams talking. It's like you will do anything, and it 1:49:18.400 --> 1:49:25.080 was just unexpected because everyone else was coming from you know, backstage. Okay, 1:49:25.120 --> 1:49:26.200 and up next we have a. 1:49:26.760 --> 1:49:28.320 Young brother from No no, no, no, no, no, give 1:49:28.360 --> 1:49:30.160 it up for Richmond, and ladies and gentlemen come on, 1:49:30.280 --> 1:49:34.479 do his poetry and leave Jill Scott decided to sit 1:49:34.680 --> 1:49:37.840 in the audience and so we had no clue. He said, 1:49:37.920 --> 1:49:41.920 up next, we got a sister from North Philadelphia, give. 1:49:41.800 --> 1:49:42.599 It up for Jill Scott. 1:49:42.680 --> 1:49:45.800 Lady Joe and no One came on stage and then 1:49:45.880 --> 1:49:49.160 this woman starts singing joonases freaking you. 1:49:49.320 --> 1:49:50.919 A cappella from the audience. 1:49:56.400 --> 1:49:59.360 She just marches right to the stage, and I was like, 1:50:01.920 --> 1:50:05.040 who is this woman? I put two and two together. 1:50:05.120 --> 1:50:09.200 I met Jill during the do You Want More? Era? 1:50:11.640 --> 1:50:21.680 Apparently her ex boyfriend not the old word, her ex boyfriend, 1:50:21.800 --> 1:50:26.080 not ex husband, not ex husband, was cheating on her 1:50:26.479 --> 1:50:31.000 with a girl that lived next door to me on 1:50:31.240 --> 1:50:33.719 South Street. Well, I don't know whatever, but the first 1:50:33.800 --> 1:50:37.280 word she said was I'm gonna cut that motherfucker's dick off. 1:50:38.720 --> 1:50:40.679 So that's how Jill Scott into my mind. 1:50:40.760 --> 1:50:43.519 So then I put two and two together that, oh, 1:50:43.640 --> 1:50:45.400 that's I'm gonna cut that motherfucker's dick. 1:50:49.120 --> 1:50:51.560 Also the Glamorous Life girl. Can y'all just is that 1:50:51.600 --> 1:50:51.960 a rumor? 1:50:54.360 --> 1:50:57.000 I am Cool's Glamorous Life video. 1:50:57.479 --> 1:50:57.840 I don't know. 1:50:57.960 --> 1:51:00.800 I never heard that heard it wasn't I heard it wasn't. 1:51:01.760 --> 1:51:05.400 Wasn't that you told me one time, Jeff that Jill 1:51:05.560 --> 1:51:07.599 initially when she came out, she didn't really want to sing. 1:51:07.680 --> 1:51:10.479 She really wanted to just do poetry. She was heavy on. 1:51:10.600 --> 1:51:15.479 Yeah, Like Jill did not want background vocals on her songs. Wow, 1:51:16.160 --> 1:51:18.240 you know, so we had to kind of convince her 1:51:18.400 --> 1:51:20.360 a lot of that. Like the funny thing is, I 1:51:20.439 --> 1:51:22.360 remember when we did is Getting in a way. She 1:51:22.520 --> 1:51:26.000 did not want to put background vocals on that, and 1:51:26.360 --> 1:51:31.320 Drey's mom was in the studio and Drey's mom actually 1:51:31.439 --> 1:51:34.840 sang backgrounds with her on that because Drey's mom was like, girl, 1:51:34.880 --> 1:51:38.960 if you don't get your button that booth. So that's 1:51:39.080 --> 1:51:40.160 Jill Andre's mom. 1:51:40.920 --> 1:51:44.519 Man, that was an official first single, right, No, you 1:51:44.600 --> 1:51:45.160 know what's funny. 1:51:45.280 --> 1:51:47.040 The first single was long Walk, Long Walk, you know 1:51:47.160 --> 1:51:47.880 what I said. 1:51:47.960 --> 1:51:50.040 I remember being at the radio station and being like that, 1:51:50.240 --> 1:51:51.479 you don't need to hear get. 1:51:51.400 --> 1:51:54.320 Through everybody off because their first single was a poem. 1:51:54.720 --> 1:51:56.840 Yeah, but that was the Streets. Wasn't ready for that? 1:51:56.920 --> 1:51:59.439 I remember being long Walk. 1:51:59.560 --> 1:52:05.439 It was no, it was the black stations. We need 1:52:05.479 --> 1:52:06.840 to do once was she gonna put the basoline on 1:52:06.880 --> 1:52:08.800 her face? And I remember selling that at the radio station. 1:52:08.960 --> 1:52:10.840 Like but then she gonna put it. Come on, everybody 1:52:10.920 --> 1:52:18.839 want to Philly Sorry? Fighting over soul records, the journeys 1:52:19.080 --> 1:52:19.760 were still fight. 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:20.880 How did? How did? 1:52:21.000 --> 1:52:23.719 What was the difference between like say, the jail record 1:52:23.800 --> 1:52:25.480 and then the fluordry situation. 1:52:25.479 --> 1:52:29.840 Like success Like when I tell you that, like I said, 1:52:29.960 --> 1:52:36.120 it mirrors. You know, we we did Jill in music 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:40.280 pretty much simultaneous. So for both of them to come out, 1:52:40.360 --> 1:52:43.280 we were on cloud nine. You know, they were just 1:52:43.360 --> 1:52:46.479 sending people down. It was it was weird because you know, 1:52:46.560 --> 1:52:50.200 they would send people down with instructions like they we 1:52:50.560 --> 1:52:52.120 want a jail record, and it's kind of like, well, 1:52:52.160 --> 1:52:54.280 we can't give you a jail record because we gave 1:52:54.320 --> 1:52:57.120 it to her. We can give you whoever you're sending record. 1:52:58.360 --> 1:53:01.240 And that was really the first time that I understood 1:53:01.360 --> 1:53:04.160 that record companies. Steve mckev said something to me that 1:53:04.240 --> 1:53:06.839 I never forgot. He said, everybody in the music industry 1:53:06.920 --> 1:53:10.120 wants to be second after everybody's everybody wants to be second. 1:53:10.960 --> 1:53:18.120 You reminded me of a story. So the day that 1:53:18.280 --> 1:53:22.639 we shot that Soul Quarium photo for Vibe, the beginning 1:53:22.720 --> 1:53:27.479 of the end, right, So okay, nine am we shot 1:53:27.560 --> 1:53:30.720 we did a shot in the same Vibe magazine with 1:53:30.920 --> 1:53:34.800 Jill the roots in Jill did their thing, right. It 1:53:35.120 --> 1:53:40.320 hit me that Lear Cohen knew that this shoot was 1:53:40.400 --> 1:53:43.600 going to go down and Vibe Magazine oh wow, and 1:53:43.960 --> 1:53:45.920 begged and begged. 1:53:46.200 --> 1:53:50.240 Please let Music inside of this photo you guys are 1:53:50.320 --> 1:53:53.320 doing because he's part at the time. 1:53:55.439 --> 1:53:56.320 Did I know music? 1:53:56.479 --> 1:54:01.840 No, I didn't know music. I had no clue. And child, 1:54:02.479 --> 1:54:05.679 yeah music soul, child, it just sounds Did I know music? 1:54:06.479 --> 1:54:07.200 I didn't know music. 1:54:08.040 --> 1:54:09.680 I believe that. 1:54:11.200 --> 1:54:15.720 Just to to force the will on us, no pun uh. 1:54:16.720 --> 1:54:20.560 They had Music and his people waiting downstairs in a 1:54:20.640 --> 1:54:23.880 car service to see if there was like a change 1:54:23.920 --> 1:54:28.479 of heart, and it was always like like, it's very 1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:34.160 unfortunate that That's how I was reminded, and I totally 1:54:34.200 --> 1:54:36.320 forget about the times where he came to the jam 1:54:36.440 --> 1:54:40.320 sessions and all that stuff, you like deliver pizzas or something, Yeah, exactly. 1:54:41.160 --> 1:54:45.960 And so because there was Balao too, so well yeah. 1:54:45.840 --> 1:54:48.600 It was like it was like literally like who who 1:54:48.800 --> 1:54:51.000 And the Vibe people were like, yeah, can we le 1:54:51.160 --> 1:54:53.000 or Cohen wants to add him in the photo as well? 1:54:53.280 --> 1:54:54.160 Can you shoot me? 1:54:54.480 --> 1:54:57.080 Just like yo, we know each other, like I don't 1:54:57.120 --> 1:54:59.080 know who music soul child. I had no clue who 1:54:59.120 --> 1:54:59.880 he was at the times. 1:55:00.080 --> 1:55:04.000 So it it just it started what could have been 1:55:04.040 --> 1:55:07.480 potentially an even worse taste once I did two and 1:55:07.560 --> 1:55:09.400 two and like oh the guy from filling oh he 1:55:09.480 --> 1:55:12.400 used to come. And then it was like cool whatever. 1:55:12.680 --> 1:55:17.920 But at the time I remember that music almost was 1:55:18.120 --> 1:55:21.320 in that photo. Almost in that photo. 1:55:22.240 --> 1:55:23.920 That was the house that Carvon and I even built. 1:55:24.600 --> 1:55:24.800 Yeah. 1:55:25.440 --> 1:55:28.120 Yeah, so so break down like the cruise when we 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:34.000 talk about such a jazz it was Carving, was Dollinger 1:55:34.280 --> 1:55:40.320 and then so it was Pat. 1:55:38.560 --> 1:55:44.560 Shout, you know it was it was it was multiple 1:55:45.200 --> 1:55:52.320 you know, you had keV Brown Odyssey, you had peace, 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:55.960 you know, peace move of Pat. Pat McClain James introduced 1:55:56.000 --> 1:55:56.760 me to Pat McLain. 1:55:56.960 --> 1:56:00.840 Okay, and he because I remember I think you told me, 1:56:01.200 --> 1:56:04.280 or maybe it was keV told me the on the 1:56:04.960 --> 1:56:07.360 on your album Africa Porter Prince. 1:56:07.440 --> 1:56:10.560 Yeah, that was a two track. That was everything Pam did. 1:56:13.000 --> 1:56:16.880 Everything he did was a two track. I love that shot. 1:56:19.040 --> 1:56:24.400 Pat was let me choose my words, eccentric. He was 1:56:24.560 --> 1:56:28.720 very eccentric, Like Pat would make the most beautiful song 1:56:29.280 --> 1:56:32.840 you ever heard, and he would say, you know what, 1:56:33.080 --> 1:56:35.280 the universe doesn't want this to come out, and they 1:56:35.320 --> 1:56:37.600 would cut his keyboard off and we would be in 1:56:37.680 --> 1:56:42.960 the room like like but see, you know he was 1:56:43.000 --> 1:56:45.880 also the guy that he would he would he would 1:56:45.920 --> 1:56:47.560 do a record and make some money and you would 1:56:47.600 --> 1:56:50.440 give him like three thousand dollars and Pat would leave 1:56:50.480 --> 1:56:53.520 out the studio. And the reason why ours is laughing 1:56:53.720 --> 1:56:55.720 is because she was there for all of this. That 1:56:56.160 --> 1:56:59.120 Pat would come in and say, God is gonna bless me. 1:56:59.240 --> 1:57:02.400 I just gave a homeless man three thousand dollars. And 1:57:02.520 --> 1:57:06.160 you were kind of like, Pat, you're homeless, Like you're 1:57:06.160 --> 1:57:07.760 a homeless big I gave a homeless man. 1:57:08.880 --> 1:57:10.160 And what's that music? Soul child? 1:57:10.160 --> 1:57:12.280 Because he was homeless to listen. 1:57:13.160 --> 1:57:17.200 So, but what with all thems that were there, like 1:57:17.240 --> 1:57:20.480 where there like Paulie, Baby Black? 1:57:20.880 --> 1:57:21.600 Where where? 1:57:21.680 --> 1:57:22.800 What's going on with those guys? Now? 1:57:24.040 --> 1:57:24.080 No? 1:57:24.880 --> 1:57:28.000 Wow? I mean, you know, Paul Paul. When I started 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:30.280 going back out on the road, I took Paul. I 1:57:30.360 --> 1:57:34.160 took Paul when The Magnificent came out, because you know, 1:57:35.200 --> 1:57:37.080 I wanted that to be kind of a launching pad 1:57:37.640 --> 1:57:42.320 for Paul. And then you know, Baby Black chef chef, 1:57:43.120 --> 1:57:46.480 you know, just you know what's crazy is when I 1:57:46.560 --> 1:57:50.280 started going out on the road. I started going out 1:57:50.280 --> 1:57:56.440 in like ninety nine two thousand and went overseas. Was 1:57:56.600 --> 1:58:00.600 completely blown away at the fact that I'm in this 1:58:00.720 --> 1:58:03.400 club and it's two thousand people here, and I'm kind 1:58:03.440 --> 1:58:06.840 of like, well, who is performing. I'm used to the 1:58:07.000 --> 1:58:10.160 win Ballroom and it was a strong two fifty in there, 1:58:11.120 --> 1:58:13.440 and you know, when you start doing these and not 1:58:13.680 --> 1:58:15.800 just that, you know, just going through all of the 1:58:15.920 --> 1:58:19.160 issues in the music business. I'm playing for two thousand 1:58:19.200 --> 1:58:21.520 people and at the end of the night, somebody's handing 1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:26.200 me an envelope with four thousand dollars in it, and 1:58:26.280 --> 1:58:27.920 I'm kind of like, well, damn, I gotta wait like 1:58:28.080 --> 1:58:31.120 seven months for my four thousand dollars from the record company. 1:58:31.520 --> 1:58:34.120 And you just gave it to me afterwards, and I 1:58:34.160 --> 1:58:37.000 got to play tomorrow night, and the night after that 1:58:37.160 --> 1:58:38.080 and the night after that. 1:58:38.720 --> 1:58:40.160 So it really took that first tour. 1:58:40.200 --> 1:58:44.360 And I came home and you know, and everybody's asking 1:58:44.560 --> 1:58:47.200 when is the check coming, because everybody's waiting for a 1:58:47.280 --> 1:58:49.320 check at the record company, and you know, you got 1:58:49.400 --> 1:58:52.160 to wait until everybody delivered the signs and all the 1:58:52.200 --> 1:58:55.240 rest of this, and you know, the. 1:58:55.280 --> 1:58:57.160 Agent call was like, Yo, they loved it. They want 1:58:57.200 --> 1:58:57.800 you to come back. 1:58:58.200 --> 1:59:00.120 I went back, and the second time I lied to 1:59:00.160 --> 1:59:02.200 everybody and was like, I'm coming home a week later. 1:59:02.800 --> 1:59:06.680 So now I'm coming home with about forty thousand dollars 1:59:06.920 --> 1:59:08.840 to do all of my shopping and get all of 1:59:08.880 --> 1:59:10.680 the shit that I want. And no one knows I'm home, 1:59:11.520 --> 1:59:15.000 so the phone's not ringing, nobody's complaining. And then the 1:59:15.080 --> 1:59:16.960 third time when they called, I was like, you know what, 1:59:17.560 --> 1:59:21.240 I'm out. I'm out because I already see you know, 1:59:21.360 --> 1:59:24.120 I see this hamster wheel and I'm like, I can't 1:59:24.240 --> 1:59:26.880 keep running on I can't keep running on this, you know, 1:59:27.360 --> 1:59:32.560 you you like, there was a level of I felt, 1:59:32.720 --> 1:59:36.680 you know, even you know, even with like the Jill situation. 1:59:37.320 --> 1:59:40.400 You know, I felt that we were in a good 1:59:40.480 --> 1:59:43.640 cop bad cop situation that the record company is always 1:59:43.720 --> 1:59:45.960 the good cop, Like I would watch the record company 1:59:46.000 --> 1:59:48.520 buy her gifts and take her on trips and all 1:59:48.560 --> 1:59:50.760 the rest of this, and well. 1:59:50.720 --> 1:59:51.840 It wasn't even the fact that I was. 1:59:53.320 --> 1:59:56.680 It was really kind of like, you know, I felt 1:59:56.760 --> 1:59:59.080 like there was a certain point in time that Jill 1:59:59.200 --> 2:00:01.000 was looking like, how come you don't take me on trips? 2:00:01.040 --> 2:00:03.160 And I'm sitting like, because I'm waiting for the motherfucking 2:00:03.200 --> 2:00:05.600 money that the dude that took you on this trip 2:00:05.760 --> 2:00:09.920 to send me, you know, not understanding the record company regime. 2:00:10.000 --> 2:00:11.400 That is kind of like you're the good guy and 2:00:11.480 --> 2:00:12.280 I'm the bad guy. 2:00:13.320 --> 2:00:16.240 So you know, it was you became Dana in a way, 2:00:16.400 --> 2:00:18.480 not Dana the person, but I just mean, it's interesting, 2:00:18.520 --> 2:00:19.840 how yeah. 2:00:19.960 --> 2:00:22.640 And I was like, nah, no, I'm not doing that, 2:00:22.880 --> 2:00:25.360 so I tapped out. I was like, I don't I 2:00:25.400 --> 2:00:29.160 don't want to do that. I realized that, and and 2:00:29.400 --> 2:00:35.160 and also my second tour was a tour in Asia, 2:00:35.920 --> 2:00:39.400 and I went to Bangkok and why are you laughing? 2:00:41.120 --> 2:00:44.360 It's not what you think, So listen. I went to 2:00:44.440 --> 2:00:47.560 Bangkok and there's a mall in Bangkok that my man 2:00:47.640 --> 2:00:52.760 took me to, and everything in the mall was illegal everything. 2:00:54.040 --> 2:00:56.560 And you could go into this store and you could 2:00:56.600 --> 2:01:01.320 get DVDs, which you know, DVDs are big MP three's, 2:01:01.400 --> 2:01:06.280 which are small, and they were selling DVD MP three's. 2:01:06.520 --> 2:01:10.920 They were selling the Beatles Anthology, everything the Beatles ever 2:01:11.160 --> 2:01:16.560 made for twelve dollars and I remember you would go 2:01:16.680 --> 2:01:20.120 in and you would look in the book and you 2:01:20.280 --> 2:01:22.120 give them the number. You know, the Beatles were one 2:01:22.200 --> 2:01:25.200 hundred and such and such and they had jazz guitars. 2:01:25.240 --> 2:01:27.320 So I was like, okay, I sample this and get this, 2:01:28.040 --> 2:01:30.480 and you know, I'm giving this guy like thirty six 2:01:30.560 --> 2:01:32.640 dollars and he gave me all of these DVDs and 2:01:32.680 --> 2:01:34.400 all of this music. And I remember walking in the 2:01:34.480 --> 2:01:37.880 middle of the mall and I said, Yo, it's over. 2:01:39.200 --> 2:01:42.120 It's oh because this hadn't hit the States yet, and 2:01:42.240 --> 2:01:45.120 I was like, it's over. I just bought the Beatles' 2:01:45.120 --> 2:01:48.840 anthology for twelve dollars. How much is my shit worth? Like, 2:01:48.960 --> 2:01:52.560 I was like, I'm out. So I tapped out because 2:01:52.560 --> 2:01:55.440 of something I saw before it came here. 2:01:55.720 --> 2:01:59.120 I saw it come in and you know, and how did. 2:01:59.040 --> 2:02:01.320 Your soldiers feel about that though? Cause did you give him? 2:02:01.800 --> 2:02:02.440 How does that work? 2:02:02.520 --> 2:02:04.440 Well, I ain't get nobody don't know this. Listen. 2:02:05.200 --> 2:02:05.440 Listen. 2:02:05.520 --> 2:02:06.640 First, let me tell you something. 2:02:07.320 --> 2:02:11.000 If you tell everybody in the hood you moving, oh, 2:02:11.120 --> 2:02:13.720 you ain't gonna have no furniture, They're gonna steal all 2:02:13.800 --> 2:02:16.879 your shit. So trust me, I had a whole covert 2:02:16.960 --> 2:02:20.000 thing I had a guy that took all of my 2:02:20.080 --> 2:02:22.200 equipment and put it in storage. He came down and 2:02:22.280 --> 2:02:25.560 scouted out the studio, and you know, it was like, 2:02:25.680 --> 2:02:27.560 listen out, this is what I'm gonna take. I don't 2:02:27.600 --> 2:02:32.600 care about this. And you know, I knew the studio hours. 2:02:32.600 --> 2:02:35.120 I knew everybody staying until about four thirty five o'clock 2:02:35.160 --> 2:02:37.480 in the morning. So we came in at six o'clock 2:02:37.640 --> 2:02:40.760 and they cleaned the entire studio out and by the 2:02:40.880 --> 2:02:44.360 time everybody was going, oh man, they came and it 2:02:44.520 --> 2:02:48.160 was it was they opened that door and that shit 2:02:48.320 --> 2:02:51.000 just swung open with that wild, wild West breeze and 2:02:51.080 --> 2:02:55.880 something week But you know what, but like at the 2:02:56.000 --> 2:02:58.280 exact same time that I closed the studio, I actually 2:02:58.360 --> 2:02:59.120 moved out of Philly. 2:02:59.560 --> 2:03:01.440 Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, oh yeah. 2:03:01.440 --> 2:03:07.760 Interesting. So you know what's crazy, Everybody listen, this is 2:03:07.760 --> 2:03:10.600 the funny thing. The only person that I kept was 2:03:10.720 --> 2:03:13.560 I Rise, So I Rise knew all this COVID shit. 2:03:13.640 --> 2:03:14.280 She knew what I was. 2:03:14.720 --> 2:03:16.240 Listen, you know, she knew. 2:03:16.560 --> 2:03:21.920 And it was and it was crazy because everybody thought, 2:03:22.440 --> 2:03:24.160 like this is this is this is this will tell 2:03:24.160 --> 2:03:27.880 you something about the ego I needed. Everybody to think 2:03:27.920 --> 2:03:31.040 I was doing bad. And this was at a time 2:03:31.160 --> 2:03:34.000 that I just once I discovered that whole DJ thing, 2:03:34.280 --> 2:03:38.400 So I understand. I was in the DJ atmosphere before 2:03:38.440 --> 2:03:42.680 the DJ bubble hit. So I'm sitting here like, yo, 2:03:43.760 --> 2:03:49.160 I ain't never made this much money ever, and no 2:03:49.320 --> 2:03:52.600 one would expect that. And it was kind of like yo. 2:03:52.760 --> 2:03:55.280 So me closing the studio and moving, it was like, yo, 2:03:55.360 --> 2:03:57.480 what happened to John her? He's not doing too well? 2:03:57.720 --> 2:04:00.520 And you had to eat that. Like I was cool 2:04:00.560 --> 2:04:05.640 with eating that. I was cool with listen. I remember. 2:04:05.720 --> 2:04:06.720 I remember the first time. 2:04:07.680 --> 2:04:10.960 It might have been about seven eight months after I moved. 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:13.520 I remember it was a fight coming on and I 2:04:13.640 --> 2:04:17.480 invited James down to my crib for the fights. James 2:04:17.520 --> 2:04:22.560 poison James and I stood in the door because when 2:04:22.640 --> 2:04:26.600 James pulled up to my house, James sat there and 2:04:26.680 --> 2:04:28.560 I know he was kind of like, I know this 2:04:28.720 --> 2:04:32.200 nigga only here, like get out of here. And I 2:04:32.320 --> 2:04:34.720 opened the door and my dog ran out, so he's 2:04:34.800 --> 2:04:38.440 kind of like this nigga got a dog, Like what 2:04:38.680 --> 2:04:38.880 is this? 2:04:41.400 --> 2:04:43.640 I had the paved ways and the lighting. 2:04:45.640 --> 2:04:47.760 And I was like hey, and James was like what 2:04:47.960 --> 2:04:50.560 and then I ended up breaking it down, you know, 2:04:50.720 --> 2:04:53.600 because you ended up you sold so your old crib 2:04:54.400 --> 2:04:56.240 crib you sold it to his mom. 2:04:56.480 --> 2:05:04.760 Yes, I did list so wait, I'm literally wait. I 2:05:04.880 --> 2:05:07.840 put it up for sale and the person backed out. 2:05:08.560 --> 2:05:12.720 The person backed out the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, and I 2:05:12.880 --> 2:05:15.760 think I text our mayor because our mayor said something 2:05:15.800 --> 2:05:18.680 to me. He was just kind of like, yo, damn, 2:05:18.720 --> 2:05:20.600 why didn't you tell me you were selling the crib? 2:05:21.280 --> 2:05:23.800 And I was like, oh, man, I didn't know. You know, 2:05:24.000 --> 2:05:26.640 I didn't know that. You know. I wasn't just gonna 2:05:26.680 --> 2:05:28.480 randomly pick up quest Love and be like, hey, I'm 2:05:28.480 --> 2:05:31.800 selling my credit, you know. And it was crazy because 2:05:31.960 --> 2:05:34.960 I hit him on Thanksgiving and I was like, yo, 2:05:35.640 --> 2:05:38.120 the sale of the crib fell through, let me know 2:05:38.200 --> 2:05:40.120 if you want it, and he said, I'll call you back, 2:05:40.680 --> 2:05:42.360 and he called me in ten minutes. 2:05:42.360 --> 2:05:43.160 It is like we want it. 2:05:43.520 --> 2:05:45.040 Listen. That was it. 2:05:45.280 --> 2:05:50.560 That was a that was a done disp We just furnished. 2:05:50.600 --> 2:05:53.960 We just read did the entire crib like you still 2:05:53.960 --> 2:05:57.680 got the deep front. We had to take all that. 2:05:58.000 --> 2:06:00.320 It's a brand new it's a two was at the 2:06:00.400 --> 2:06:02.760 nineteen house now, Miss Jackie. 2:06:03.360 --> 2:06:05.240 Dad that's the first time I met you. You don't 2:06:05.240 --> 2:06:07.040 even know that. I was driving in that apartment with 2:06:07.160 --> 2:06:09.400 Deanna and she saw you as you was coming out. 2:06:09.440 --> 2:06:11.760 We was coming in, and she said, it's Jersey Jeff. 2:06:11.760 --> 2:06:18.720 I said, Jeff, please tell us how you organized all right? 2:06:18.800 --> 2:06:24.080 First of all, yeah, it you moved to Delaware and 2:06:24.160 --> 2:06:30.600 we were all like why. But then you also like 2:06:30.840 --> 2:06:32.960 lured a lot of people to Delaware. 2:06:33.120 --> 2:06:33.560 I didn't know. 2:06:35.840 --> 2:06:37.040 For a minute, right he was there. 2:06:37.280 --> 2:06:38.640 I forgot even down there. 2:06:39.200 --> 2:06:42.360 But I meant, like James and Tuba, and like, I 2:06:42.600 --> 2:06:49.160 now see the allure of living in Delaware. However, can 2:06:49.240 --> 2:06:54.480 you explain what the playlist retreat is? It's it's almost 2:06:54.560 --> 2:06:59.440 like a secret that no one knows about or really 2:06:59.560 --> 2:07:01.880 understand what the magnitude this is. 2:07:02.120 --> 2:07:04.240 It's salty and jealous, even though they still know they 2:07:04.280 --> 2:07:04.840 shouldn't be there. 2:07:04.960 --> 2:07:08.840 You are literally like your playlist retreat is. 2:07:11.840 --> 2:07:14.280 It is the Illuminadi. It's the illuminadi of. 2:07:15.720 --> 2:07:20.240 Producers and musicians. And having gone there and seen. 2:07:20.040 --> 2:07:22.960 It myself, you had the first one. I was at 2:07:23.000 --> 2:07:23.640 the first one. 2:07:25.400 --> 2:07:28.840 One. I came late to the last one and had 2:07:28.880 --> 2:07:32.400 about four tacos, did and didn't realize that all the 2:07:32.600 --> 2:07:33.720 tacos were laced with. 2:07:38.400 --> 2:07:38.920 Scooching. 2:07:39.080 --> 2:07:41.240 I thought I was going to die. Y'all got math 2:07:41.280 --> 2:07:42.800 photos of me sleep on your couch. 2:07:43.480 --> 2:07:45.720 I was just like, yeah, I think my first time 2:07:45.880 --> 2:07:48.800 it was before it was before you ifically doing the playlist. 2:07:49.040 --> 2:07:50.840 But the first time I came to your crib, me 2:07:50.920 --> 2:07:53.560 and pool we did a little brother song and that, honestly, 2:07:53.680 --> 2:07:56.080 man like I never told you dude, that really changed 2:07:56.080 --> 2:07:58.920 my life. It totally made me rethink what it what 2:07:59.360 --> 2:08:03.000 success quote unquote look like. Because we got there and 2:08:03.160 --> 2:08:05.120 the first thing he did, Jeff cooked some chicken. 2:08:05.160 --> 2:08:05.800 I always do that. 2:08:05.960 --> 2:08:08.360 He made some chicken, and then we was like, all right, 2:08:08.400 --> 2:08:09.040 we're gonna you know. 2:08:09.360 --> 2:08:11.760 Kind of salty. We're doing this now here because I 2:08:11.880 --> 2:08:14.400 thought like we just go bro. 2:08:15.160 --> 2:08:17.840 Was can we do the next one? I'm sure it's 2:08:17.840 --> 2:08:18.440 gonna be a party. 2:08:18.480 --> 2:08:20.720 Three listen, y'all can the tree? 2:08:21.400 --> 2:08:26.160 Hey, you know you only got five women there at 2:08:26.160 --> 2:08:28.440 one time, serious women. 2:08:28.840 --> 2:08:30.320 We excluse diversity. 2:08:31.760 --> 2:08:34.440 I'm I'm making I'm auditing because I was like, is 2:08:34.520 --> 2:08:37.400 this some female music? Make us up? And now the 2:08:37.480 --> 2:08:38.280 localists be there? 2:08:39.240 --> 2:08:41.480 Yeah, but no, it was like you cooked chicken and 2:08:41.520 --> 2:08:43.240 then we went downstairs and you told me how like 2:08:43.280 --> 2:08:47.040 you got the Mexicans from home depot the studio. And 2:08:47.160 --> 2:08:48.640 then he was like, yo, I'm like all right, so 2:08:48.720 --> 2:08:50.000 we're going to see He was like, oh, I got 2:08:50.040 --> 2:08:52.920 these rooms and I just remember like sleeping at night. 2:08:52.920 --> 2:08:55.480 And I was like, yo, Jeff got a hip hop 2:08:55.560 --> 2:08:58.840 bed and breakfast, like you really like this is a 2:08:58.920 --> 2:09:00.960 whole nother business. And so like when me and my 2:09:01.040 --> 2:09:03.360 wife we bought our second crib, I was like, yo, 2:09:04.240 --> 2:09:06.080 I want to do that, Like I want to have 2:09:06.120 --> 2:09:08.520 a place where I got my studio. If we go late, 2:09:08.600 --> 2:09:10.440 somebody want to crash, it's the room right over here, 2:09:10.480 --> 2:09:11.000 you can crash. 2:09:11.160 --> 2:09:12.840 So now when they come to your studio, fante like 2:09:12.880 --> 2:09:14.520 they come spend the night, like when you said. 2:09:14.880 --> 2:09:17.000 Yeah, like well, when Madison came down, her and her, 2:09:17.480 --> 2:09:19.640 her and Ned, they stayed in the hotel right right 2:09:19.680 --> 2:09:21.840 around the corner. But you know, while we were in there, 2:09:22.000 --> 2:09:23.680 Ned was like, I'm gonna go lay down. 2:09:23.720 --> 2:09:24.920 He can go right in the next room. 2:09:25.280 --> 2:09:27.760 And it just it really just was a big inspiration 2:09:27.840 --> 2:09:30.120 for me to like so to the point where I 2:09:30.280 --> 2:09:32.560 quote unquote was in a booth not too long ago, 2:09:32.720 --> 2:09:35.920 in a session, and that shit felt totally like what 2:09:36.120 --> 2:09:38.600 is like that felts antiquated, like because we just did 2:09:38.680 --> 2:09:41.040 all that stuff right in the room together, you know 2:09:41.080 --> 2:09:41.360 what I mean? 2:09:41.640 --> 2:09:45.480 Yeah, Like you know, it's it's funny. 2:09:46.640 --> 2:09:48.840 I do a lot of work with Red Bull three Style, 2:09:49.520 --> 2:09:54.720 which is a global DJ competition, and maybe like the 2:09:54.800 --> 2:09:57.880 third or fourth year that we did it, they you know, 2:09:58.360 --> 2:10:01.040 each night they would have as special guest DJ, so 2:10:01.120 --> 2:10:02.680 you would se z trip, you see a track, you 2:10:02.760 --> 2:10:05.680 see crazy, you see all these guys. The third year, 2:10:05.840 --> 2:10:08.800 they decided to bring all of the DJs in and 2:10:08.960 --> 2:10:12.040 keep them there for the entire week. So this is 2:10:12.200 --> 2:10:14.200 what I realized. This is the first time that I 2:10:14.320 --> 2:10:17.520 have ever spent a week with one of my peers. 2:10:18.720 --> 2:10:21.080 Like i'd see you at a show, I see you 2:10:21.200 --> 2:10:24.480 that night. Like when you get to spend a week, 2:10:24.640 --> 2:10:28.000 you get to have a lot of conversations, you get 2:10:28.080 --> 2:10:30.440 to talk about the good stuff, you get to talk 2:10:30.480 --> 2:10:33.920 about the bad stuff, you start getting personal, you start 2:10:34.000 --> 2:10:38.880 swapping music. And when I realized that, that became my 2:10:39.080 --> 2:10:43.520 motivation and my energy to DJ for the entire year. 2:10:43.640 --> 2:10:46.480 Like everybody couldn't wait for threestyle because it's like we're 2:10:46.480 --> 2:10:48.280 gonna get together, We're gonna squat, We're gonna do it. 2:10:48.760 --> 2:10:50.400 So I was like, you know what, I want to 2:10:50.480 --> 2:10:53.440 have a DJ retreat, Like it really started off as 2:10:53.440 --> 2:10:57.080 a DJ retreat I did. How did you convince these 2:10:57.120 --> 2:11:01.240 people to travel from all points to the globe. These 2:11:01.280 --> 2:11:04.960 aren't people coming from like New York and from l A. 2:11:05.160 --> 2:11:11.960 This is like, yeah, you know, like when when I 2:11:12.120 --> 2:11:17.400 remember when my wife threw me a fiftieth birthday party. 2:11:18.400 --> 2:11:21.120 Matter of fact, Laiah and I was there. It was 2:11:21.160 --> 2:11:22.640 supposed to be there, but you show me. 2:11:25.440 --> 2:11:27.520 You so. 2:11:29.680 --> 2:11:34.360 But it was funny because the the level of preparation 2:11:35.560 --> 2:11:39.440 that was put into that birthday part. Like understand they 2:11:39.960 --> 2:11:43.480 I did a show for the NBA for their London 2:11:43.600 --> 2:11:48.160 game that I was accidentally put on the late flight. 2:11:48.760 --> 2:11:50.080 Like everything about this ship. 2:11:50.120 --> 2:11:52.839 I was mad, Like I'm getting mad right now because 2:11:53.640 --> 2:11:56.520 you know, I considered myself kind of a savvy person 2:11:57.240 --> 2:11:59.880 and I had no clue. Like my wife. To this day, 2:12:00.000 --> 2:12:03.680 I still think I knew. I had no clue that 2:12:04.320 --> 2:12:06.680 they sent me on a show out of the country 2:12:07.240 --> 2:12:09.520 and put me on the second flight because all of 2:12:09.600 --> 2:12:12.760 my friends from overseas were on the first flight. Wow, 2:12:14.800 --> 2:12:17.400 Oh they mapped it, so I, you know, we came back, 2:12:17.480 --> 2:12:19.800 I landed, wife picked me up in the airport. You know, 2:12:19.840 --> 2:12:21.760 it's kind of weird cause she picked me up. She's like, hey, 2:12:21.840 --> 2:12:24.480 you know, you know, I know you're gonna have cause 2:12:24.480 --> 2:12:25.640 she asked me what I wanted. I was like, I 2:12:25.720 --> 2:12:27.360 want to get together some of my friends and let's 2:12:27.400 --> 2:12:30.000 do a man dinner. And she's like, I know you're 2:12:30.040 --> 2:12:31.800 gonna do your man dinner, so I want to celebrate 2:12:31.800 --> 2:12:33.320 your birthday with you today. Okay, cool. 2:12:33.800 --> 2:12:35.160 So we drive. 2:12:35.800 --> 2:12:39.080 The whole crew leaves. We drive to a hotel and 2:12:39.800 --> 2:12:42.760 take a shower, change my clothes, she got my suit, 2:12:42.880 --> 2:12:44.880 she got everything. I'm kind of like, okay, this is cool. 2:12:45.200 --> 2:12:47.200 And we get in the car and she starts driving 2:12:47.600 --> 2:12:50.000 and we get on ninety five. So I was like, okay, 2:12:50.000 --> 2:12:51.960 I guess we're not going to dinner in Philly. So 2:12:52.120 --> 2:12:54.240 we driving and getting in a good conversation. We get 2:12:54.280 --> 2:12:58.760 off at my exit, so I'm like, okay, maybe we're 2:12:58.800 --> 2:13:01.920 going somewhere in Delaware, and she wants to kind of 2:13:02.040 --> 2:13:05.120 check up on the kids. So it wasn't until we 2:13:05.320 --> 2:13:08.160 got to the edge of the driveway that she stopped 2:13:08.640 --> 2:13:12.600 and she said Happy birthday, babe. And I said thank you, 2:13:12.840 --> 2:13:14.600 and she said close your eyes and I was like 2:13:14.680 --> 2:13:17.720 what and she said close your eyes and I. 2:13:17.800 --> 2:13:21.000 Was like, oh fuck, you got me and I closed 2:13:21.040 --> 2:13:24.000 my eyes. We drove down the driveway so I can feel. 2:13:24.120 --> 2:13:26.680 Instead of going to the back, she goes around the 2:13:26.800 --> 2:13:30.880 circle and she said, okay, you can open your eyes. 2:13:30.960 --> 2:13:33.080 And when I opened my eyes, it was two black 2:13:33.200 --> 2:13:38.440 dudes with parking attendant jackets and heat lamps. 2:13:39.320 --> 2:13:42.720 And I was like what the old man, man man? 2:13:43.520 --> 2:13:48.320 And it was so thought out and elaborate the way 2:13:48.360 --> 2:13:52.080 that my brain works that instead of saying, oh my god, 2:13:52.160 --> 2:13:54.560 this is great, I was like, we can pull this 2:13:54.680 --> 2:13:59.120 shit together. So the next day and the president's Serato 2:13:59.280 --> 2:14:03.000 was there. So the next day I was like, listen, 2:14:03.040 --> 2:14:05.000 I want to do a DJ retreat and such and such, 2:14:05.080 --> 2:14:07.240 and the president of the Serata was like, hey, you know, 2:14:07.320 --> 2:14:09.440 we'll be one of the sponsors. And we pulled out 2:14:09.440 --> 2:14:12.400 a yellow pad and we start writing the idea down. 2:14:13.040 --> 2:14:17.400 During that time, I was, you know, same thing me 2:14:17.840 --> 2:14:21.280 knowing about you guys. I would always collect music and 2:14:21.760 --> 2:14:26.040 I got linked into stro I got linked in the 2:14:26.120 --> 2:14:28.520 tall black guy got linked in the fourteen K t 2:14:29.200 --> 2:14:31.560 and it was one of those things that I got 2:14:31.640 --> 2:14:35.600 it and I started using Twitter because when I would know, 2:14:36.040 --> 2:14:38.320 you know, when I knew it was Stro, I just 2:14:38.440 --> 2:14:40.520 went to his Twitter page and just like, hey man, 2:14:40.560 --> 2:14:43.160 it's jazz Jeff, Yo, got some of your music, big fan. 2:14:43.560 --> 2:14:45.720 He hits you back, Oh my god, and then you 2:14:45.920 --> 2:14:48.000 end up getting a folder of music from him. So 2:14:48.160 --> 2:14:50.920 now I show up and I'm playing all this shit 2:14:51.000 --> 2:14:53.840 and everybody is like, Yo, what the fuck is that? 2:14:54.040 --> 2:14:55.040 What the fuck is you know? 2:14:55.920 --> 2:14:59.000 And you kind of get known for playing stuff that's 2:14:59.120 --> 2:15:03.920 really dope that no one knows. So and picking the 2:15:04.040 --> 2:15:07.000 DJs for the retreat, I was kind of like, well, 2:15:07.040 --> 2:15:09.160 why don't I invite them? What the fuck gods too? 2:15:10.480 --> 2:15:14.800 You know, like, because now what we can do Questlove DJs, 2:15:15.120 --> 2:15:18.120 Stro makes music. Wouldn't it be great if Stro made 2:15:18.160 --> 2:15:20.080 the music, give it straight to Questlove and chrest Love 2:15:20.200 --> 2:15:23.440 is the music messenger. And and that's how it started. 2:15:26.880 --> 2:15:30.520 Listen listen, you know. But it was it was really 2:15:30.600 --> 2:15:33.400 to kind of get people together and kind of collaborate. 2:15:33.880 --> 2:15:34.040 You know. 2:15:34.080 --> 2:15:38.040 I started feeling some kind of way is as much 2:15:38.200 --> 2:15:43.360 as I love my role as a producer, I started 2:15:43.400 --> 2:15:49.160 getting mad because it became extremely selfish. Nobody like, everybody 2:15:49.200 --> 2:15:52.640 got laptop, everybody's making their own beats. You know, the 2:15:52.720 --> 2:15:54.400 reason why I touched the Jazz was special, and the 2:15:54.440 --> 2:15:56.840 reason why the Roots Studio was special is because it 2:15:56.960 --> 2:15:59.320 was a hub where everybody kind of came and did 2:15:59.480 --> 2:16:03.120 music out. Everybody's hub is their computer and you can 2:16:03.200 --> 2:16:06.520 hear it in the music. There's no collaboration, and it 2:16:06.640 --> 2:16:08.360 was kind of like, no, no, no, no, we gotta 2:16:08.840 --> 2:16:11.680 let's figure out a way to get it back. Also 2:16:12.120 --> 2:16:16.040 with the biggest thing for me was I get mad 2:16:16.160 --> 2:16:20.200 that a lot of the equipment manufacturers make equipment without 2:16:20.280 --> 2:16:23.120 ever consulting the people who use it. Man, listen, and 2:16:23.240 --> 2:16:24.920 I'm kind of like, and then you get mad because 2:16:24.960 --> 2:16:26.800 you make some shit, and then I get it and 2:16:26.880 --> 2:16:28.760 I'm like, you know, I don't like this shit, and 2:16:28.800 --> 2:16:30.320 then you mad. I was like, well, maybe you should 2:16:30.320 --> 2:16:33.160 have talked about before you did it. So it was 2:16:33.280 --> 2:16:35.920 kind of like, I want to create. I want to 2:16:36.040 --> 2:16:38.520 I just want an open dialogue. I want to invite 2:16:38.520 --> 2:16:42.600 the manufacturers that you can tell us, make everybody sign 2:16:42.640 --> 2:16:45.240 an NDA, tell us the new shit that you got, 2:16:45.560 --> 2:16:47.600 and let us tell you if you should even do it. 2:16:48.680 --> 2:16:50.040 You know, No, that's not a good idea. I have 2:16:50.080 --> 2:16:53.480 you talked someone out of doing something that they thought 2:16:53.720 --> 2:16:56.880 was needed on the marketplace? Or wait, well we didn't. 2:16:57.120 --> 2:17:01.199 How do you remember that prod you with needleless turned 2:17:01.240 --> 2:17:07.080 to you the guy like I would think that you 2:17:07.200 --> 2:17:09.080 would at least want to hang on to. 2:17:09.879 --> 2:17:18.920 No, you know, I am a purist and I play 2:17:19.040 --> 2:17:19.720 for purists. 2:17:21.560 --> 2:17:25.400 What what happens is you get on this stage and 2:17:25.520 --> 2:17:29.840 it's me and one other guy using turntables. 2:17:30.720 --> 2:17:31.840 So now they don't care. 2:17:32.120 --> 2:17:34.920 They don't even put the cinder blocks under the table 2:17:35.080 --> 2:17:38.279 now they you know, And they got subs on the stage, 2:17:38.520 --> 2:17:42.760 and I'm listening to the dude before me sound amazing, 2:17:43.080 --> 2:17:46.080 and I'm telling the guy take all the base out. 2:17:46.800 --> 2:17:49.680 So now now I don't sound as good as he does, 2:17:49.959 --> 2:17:52.240 you know. So it starts to get to a point 2:17:53.160 --> 2:17:56.840 that you know, Okay, So I'm I'm the I'm the 2:17:56.959 --> 2:18:00.440 last Mohican. And it's not even that I switched. I 2:18:00.640 --> 2:18:05.160 still chose something that enables me to do everything that 2:18:05.280 --> 2:18:05.440 I do. 2:18:05.720 --> 2:18:10.480 So right now you're using needle arm I'm sorry, armless 2:18:10.600 --> 2:18:12.920 turntables right now do you feel? 2:18:13.040 --> 2:18:13.200 Now? 2:18:13.440 --> 2:18:17.880 See? Oh you're on some next oh yeah, wait, so 2:18:18.240 --> 2:18:19.480 are you in the visa right now? 2:18:19.640 --> 2:18:24.440 DJing? And you give me this interview? But what I 2:18:24.520 --> 2:18:27.680 will say, like, I leave Wednesday for a month long tour. 2:18:28.240 --> 2:18:33.240 My first show is Friday. Just check Instagram Saturday. 2:18:34.600 --> 2:18:35.280 Okay, are you? 2:18:35.879 --> 2:18:40.640 I can't imagine what's more mind blowing than DJing without 2:18:40.720 --> 2:18:41.279 a needle? 2:18:41.440 --> 2:18:45.000 Check Instagram Friday. He's gonna be DJing with his mind now. 2:18:49.280 --> 2:18:50.960 But I'm wrong? What I'm wrong when I say you 2:18:51.000 --> 2:18:53.160 did introduce to ratto to the at least to this market, 2:18:53.200 --> 2:18:55.920 because I feel like I remember when DJ's was like piss. 2:18:57.600 --> 2:18:59.680 Have a career if it wasn't, I was one of 2:18:59.720 --> 2:19:04.680 the early Serado guys. Yeah, I remember the first CDJ 2:19:05.000 --> 2:19:05.640 Jeff got me on. 2:19:08.560 --> 2:19:10.440 Jeff was how I found out about Final Scratch, which 2:19:10.520 --> 2:19:14.400 was predated to Soerado. Yeah, so well, actually, no, Ritchie 2:19:14.440 --> 2:19:16.280 Harden was how I found out about Final Scratching. Then 2:19:16.320 --> 2:19:17.880 I found out you used it and that kind of 2:19:17.920 --> 2:19:20.400 made it official. So are they with scratching now? 2:19:20.560 --> 2:19:20.840 Have they? 2:19:21.760 --> 2:19:21.800 Do? 2:19:21.920 --> 2:19:22.280 They have it? 2:19:22.480 --> 2:19:26.040 So you can pretty much scratch streams now? Yeah you 2:19:26.080 --> 2:19:29.760 can do that. Yeah, you just made uh what do 2:19:29.800 --> 2:19:31.039 you call title? 2:19:31.200 --> 2:19:31.880 Yeah? Titles? 2:19:34.000 --> 2:19:34.959 Have you tried that yet. 2:19:35.080 --> 2:19:40.360 Yeah. The only issue with that, which is smart because 2:19:40.400 --> 2:19:42.200 of course, you know, my brain is always trying to 2:19:42.280 --> 2:19:47.440 go into finding the workaround. You have to have internet. 2:19:47.600 --> 2:19:49.080 Yeah, that's why I don't like it. 2:19:49.160 --> 2:19:51.160 You have to have good internet. You have to have 2:19:51.360 --> 2:19:57.480 internet because because because I downloaded something, I downloaded something 2:19:58.160 --> 2:20:00.480 and it worked perfect, and then I cut my internet 2:20:00.560 --> 2:20:02.120 off and when I went to go load the track, 2:20:02.160 --> 2:20:04.320 and it was like, you need to sign on the 2:20:04.400 --> 2:20:07.480 internet for this, because think about it. You can record 2:20:07.560 --> 2:20:10.960 in Serrado, so you could basically stream that song and 2:20:11.120 --> 2:20:17.400 record it and not just that even if you have internet. 2:20:18.360 --> 2:20:21.800 See uh huh there. But this is the crazy thing 2:20:22.240 --> 2:20:26.000 when you push when you push record, it tells you 2:20:26.680 --> 2:20:30.959 that it's a song that you're playing that can't be recorded, 2:20:30.959 --> 2:20:32.000 and it stops the recording. 2:20:33.120 --> 2:20:36.560 So they found workarounds. So I was like, I'm cool, 2:20:36.600 --> 2:20:37.960 I'll just get the record. Do you think that, I 2:20:38.000 --> 2:20:40.240 would say, yeah, So do you think that'll replace the 2:20:40.400 --> 2:20:40.800 MP three? 2:20:40.879 --> 2:20:41.320 Do you think that? 2:20:41.800 --> 2:20:42.840 No? No? 2:20:43.320 --> 2:20:48.320 No, I mean listen, let me. You got to keep 2:20:48.320 --> 2:20:52.040 in mind that vinyl sales are at an all time high. 2:20:53.800 --> 2:20:55.640 But you know, is that because they're just charging like 2:20:55.720 --> 2:20:59.680 forty bucks for a single. Yes, well, now you know, 2:20:59.840 --> 2:21:03.960 it's just it's a new generation that, you know, when 2:21:04.000 --> 2:21:05.680 you really sit and think about it, there's a new 2:21:05.760 --> 2:21:09.120 generation that missed what vinyl gave you. Vinyl gave you 2:21:09.160 --> 2:21:11.520 a cover, Vinyl gave you credits, Vinyl gave you something 2:21:11.560 --> 2:21:13.800 to look at that not only could you listen, and 2:21:13.879 --> 2:21:16.920 you could touch it. So you know, there's a reason. 2:21:17.400 --> 2:21:20.440 You know, everybody who's who's tried to press vinyl in 2:21:20.520 --> 2:21:25.000 the past four or five years has seen a extreme 2:21:25.200 --> 2:21:29.680 significant time of getting your vinyl because of urban outfitters. 2:21:30.040 --> 2:21:35.959 Oh yeah, you know the records, you know. But yeah, 2:21:36.000 --> 2:21:38.280 I'm I'm about to I'm about to solve that problem. 2:21:39.800 --> 2:21:42.000 I've kind of stopped buying records and I've started buying 2:21:42.080 --> 2:21:45.720 CDs again, really really, and I'll tell you why, because 2:21:46.400 --> 2:21:49.000 I mean, I have I have accounts with multiple streaming services, 2:21:49.240 --> 2:21:54.240 and it only takes you know when to be like, yeah, 2:21:54.560 --> 2:21:56.400 it's it's like, take get rid of my favorite song 2:21:56.520 --> 2:21:58.880 off the stream service, and it's no longer there, so 2:21:59.160 --> 2:22:00.600 fuck it. I might as well just have the CD 2:22:00.720 --> 2:22:02.879 and my arsenal so I can rip that motherfucker into 2:22:02.959 --> 2:22:04.320 my iPhone whenever the fuck. 2:22:04.160 --> 2:22:06.920 I want to and taget how I want it. 2:22:07.240 --> 2:22:09.959 Yeah, now I'm with you. I still got all my CDs. 2:22:10.160 --> 2:22:12.280 I still haven't got rid of them, because you just 2:22:12.400 --> 2:22:14.760 never know, never like they just like I went on 2:22:14.840 --> 2:22:17.160 Spotify Monday and ThunderCats whole ship was going. 2:22:17.280 --> 2:22:18.119 It was like, what the fuck? 2:22:19.000 --> 2:22:22.320 Yeah, I mean it's back now, but it was just gone. 2:22:22.400 --> 2:22:26.440 I was like, I mean, I mean it's it's it's 2:22:27.160 --> 2:22:29.920 I supplement with my own personal streaming server. Now, all right, 2:22:30.080 --> 2:22:37.200 so you won't reveal let us know, but you know 2:22:37.320 --> 2:22:40.760 what it is. I think I want you to see it. Okay, 2:22:41.120 --> 2:22:43.520 don't don't want you don't because because I because I 2:22:43.600 --> 2:22:48.560 could have. I got it and I've done it in 2:22:48.680 --> 2:22:50.280 the house, and it was just kind of like, you know, 2:22:50.520 --> 2:22:53.640 you had that desire to just shoot it and just 2:22:53.760 --> 2:22:55.960 post it, and I was like, no, I want to 2:22:56.000 --> 2:22:58.160 be in front of a thousand people and do this 2:22:58.240 --> 2:23:01.600 ship and get that reaction and then I'll post it. 2:23:02.200 --> 2:23:04.840 Because once I posted, you know, it was kind of 2:23:04.879 --> 2:23:07.120 like when I used the Needless turntable and I was 2:23:07.240 --> 2:23:09.480 picking it up and you know, people freaked out. 2:23:09.959 --> 2:23:13.680 So another freaking tell us about the upcoming uh plate. 2:23:13.760 --> 2:23:18.560 Well, the play this project, the first one God, and 2:23:19.280 --> 2:23:22.200 that was in a week a week in a week, 2:23:22.680 --> 2:23:25.040 which I know I've done that before and I'll never 2:23:25.120 --> 2:23:25.720 do that again. 2:23:25.840 --> 2:23:29.760 Well, you know what it is, the trying to record 2:23:29.840 --> 2:23:33.400 it and release it in a week is hard. Recording 2:23:33.440 --> 2:23:36.440 it in a week piece of kate pec k and 2:23:36.640 --> 2:23:39.360 especially when you kind of get a routine and a 2:23:39.480 --> 2:23:41.720 method down like we we got. 2:23:41.920 --> 2:23:43.840 We got the method we you know we got. 2:23:45.280 --> 2:23:46.119 Don't ever stop. 2:23:47.520 --> 2:23:49.040 Part of releasing it now, because I mean all you 2:23:49.040 --> 2:23:50.880 got to do is just upload it. Well, no, you 2:23:51.000 --> 2:23:52.840 know what it was is we had to mix it. 2:23:53.480 --> 2:23:55.800 We had to mix it, and so it's kind of 2:23:55.840 --> 2:23:59.600 like we recorded and it was basically we with the 2:23:59.640 --> 2:24:03.040 first when we finished, Glenn cut his last Folk for 2:24:03.120 --> 2:24:05.920 about six pm Friday, and we needed to be done 2:24:06.080 --> 2:24:10.440 by midnight on Sunday. So vd Al and I basically 2:24:10.520 --> 2:24:13.920 stayed up for seventy two straight hours and not only 2:24:14.040 --> 2:24:16.200 mixed it, but there was a guy sitting in the 2:24:16.280 --> 2:24:18.680 mastering lab that as we mixed it, we had to 2:24:18.760 --> 2:24:20.480 send it to him and then he had to send 2:24:20.560 --> 2:24:22.640 it back and we had to prove it. So it 2:24:22.800 --> 2:24:24.560 was kind of like when we got there, I was 2:24:24.640 --> 2:24:27.800 like we ain't never doing this again. We ain't Listen. 2:24:27.879 --> 2:24:29.560 I'm in the bed at nine o'clock if I ain't 2:24:29.600 --> 2:24:31.760 doing the show, Yes you are. 2:24:32.000 --> 2:24:34.960 I'm happy with that. Listen. I get to see the 2:24:35.080 --> 2:24:36.440 sun set and rise. 2:24:37.040 --> 2:24:40.440 That's how you stay looking twelve listen, Hello, listen. 2:24:40.520 --> 2:24:42.879 I can't do that, so I can do with Mamuna. 2:24:47.520 --> 2:24:48.959 Is that already on the services? 2:24:49.520 --> 2:24:49.560 No? 2:24:49.959 --> 2:24:52.840 No, well no, will it be in June. It'll be. 2:24:53.560 --> 2:24:56.879 It'll be released in June. Okay, so it'll be released 2:24:56.920 --> 2:25:03.280 in June. But let me just say this for anybody 2:25:04.160 --> 2:25:13.160 that has been looking yep for anything. And I don't 2:25:13.200 --> 2:25:18.320 even like making comparisons ago. Yeah. 2:25:18.440 --> 2:25:21.240 Oh, listen, when I tell you. 2:25:22.920 --> 2:25:27.200 You have never in your human life heard someone sing 2:25:27.920 --> 2:25:32.280 and rap like her, It's always been there, it's all 2:25:32.600 --> 2:25:36.920 but yo, when I tell you when you hear them, yeah, 2:25:38.480 --> 2:25:39.120 like she went there. 2:25:39.280 --> 2:25:40.600 Oh man, she went. 2:25:40.520 --> 2:25:48.000 There, she went there. Yes, she went there. It's time. Yeah, time, brother, Jeff, 2:25:49.280 --> 2:25:54.720 thank you, Mom. We finally closed a chapter. Or no, 2:25:54.920 --> 2:25:56.960 we got to close it. We have to close it. 2:25:57.400 --> 2:25:58.560 At the retreat this year. 2:25:58.480 --> 2:25:59.760 I was about to say, you got we got that 2:25:59.840 --> 2:26:00.320 on tape. 2:26:00.400 --> 2:26:03.920 Listen, Well, this is this is the fifth year this 2:26:04.000 --> 2:26:04.680 is the fifth year. 2:26:04.800 --> 2:26:08.000 I never in a million years that we would get 2:26:08.120 --> 2:26:12.880 to year five because you have no idea what it 2:26:13.040 --> 2:26:17.800 takes to throw something like this, Like it is emotionally, 2:26:18.360 --> 2:26:22.960 physically and mentally draining, but it is worth all of it, 2:26:23.280 --> 2:26:23.879 you know, Like. 2:26:25.480 --> 2:26:28.959 Stro wouldn't be on in the roots if it wasn't 2:26:29.000 --> 2:26:30.520 for the retreat, you know. 2:26:31.680 --> 2:26:35.000 Indeed, you know we we we never posted it, but 2:26:35.120 --> 2:26:38.200 we put up almost like a chart of people and 2:26:38.280 --> 2:26:40.760 the connections that they made and records that they made, 2:26:41.080 --> 2:26:42.680 and it's absolutely ridiculous. 2:26:42.760 --> 2:26:46.480 One of my records, the particular old of me and 2:26:46.680 --> 2:26:51.600 Errol waiting for your record stroll and Paris and Rich. 2:26:51.800 --> 2:26:53.920 Yeah, that one that was a retreat record. 2:26:54.000 --> 2:26:55.600 And this is June, right because I'm about to start 2:26:55.640 --> 2:27:00.039 looking at August. It's in August. August, let the record show. 2:27:02.320 --> 2:27:06.720 August. I mean, I'm like, should I say this out when? 2:27:06.879 --> 2:27:12.040 When it is? Because it's early August, because you just 2:27:12.080 --> 2:27:17.480 got to understand, it's just you know, August Man. Shout 2:27:17.520 --> 2:27:21.200 out to Monta montez Is at the retreat every year. 2:27:21.440 --> 2:27:24.920 So first World Fight Club anyway, Jeff, we thank you 2:27:25.080 --> 2:27:26.680 very much. Shout out to Corey Towns like I get 2:27:26.720 --> 2:27:30.720 that shot, my dude, I text so disrespectful. 2:27:33.160 --> 2:27:35.600 I text her so that we me and Corey like slander, 2:27:35.680 --> 2:27:36.280 all kind of ship. 2:27:36.440 --> 2:27:37.240 It's so great. 2:27:38.680 --> 2:27:39.959 Too, because she brought us jail. 2:27:40.360 --> 2:27:41.960 I'm gonna go there. 2:27:42.000 --> 2:27:45.960 You go all right on behalf of the Bills and 2:27:46.120 --> 2:27:52.200 Corey and Sugar Steve and Fan Ticolo and Lady like 2:27:53.120 --> 2:27:53.720 Jazzy Jeff. 2:27:53.720 --> 2:27:54.920 Thank you very much, Yes, sir. 2:27:55.080 --> 2:28:02.320 Another great episode Supreme, only on Mandor Kick it Will. 2:28:02.959 --> 2:28:05.160 I was in a club one Friday. 2:28:05.440 --> 2:28:07.520 A lovely lady comes walking my way. 2:28:07.800 --> 2:28:09.400 She woke up and she said hello. 2:28:10.080 --> 2:28:12.640 I said, Hi, quest Love Supreme. 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