WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Wednesday, September 2 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:09.400 It is Wednesday, September two. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:15.320 Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by the Fields Auto Group. Hey, now, 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:19.080 a guy who believes there's a fine line between tanking 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:27.400 and being tanked. J. P. Shad Rick of fine, very 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:33.239 fine line, and welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour. Appropriate enough. JP. Shattrick. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.000 We'll get to Bucky Brooks and John Oser coming up. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.120 We've got a busy program for you today. It's the 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:44.120 reaction after the fact of Inakwa and for that being 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.279 out of here, the departures, and then what's next at 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.919 those positions, the running back position and a defensive end. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.200 We'll get into that today. It has not been a 0:00:54.280 --> 0:01:00.000 great history of first round picks returning to the Jaguars 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.160 for second contracts. Will break that down and maybe a 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.840 little bit of what it takes to get out of 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.920 that rut moving forward here with all the changes, is 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.160 there added pressure on Gardner Minshew the second to carry 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.680 this offense? And we'll go around the National Football League 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.959 and our weekly Joe Judge Report as well. John Osan 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.760 is across town here in Jacksonville. What's up, Johnny? How 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.960 are you doing? I'm great j P. I am great, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:30.520 and Bucky books Brooks is across the country in California. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.960 How was the view of things this week in l 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.959 a of the Jaguars' It's a little bit interesting, but 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.280 because it's always sunny out here, I'm gonna be very optimistic. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.080 I'm gonna look for the silver lining and all of 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.240 these things. I like the glass half fool. That's uh, 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.960 that's good. We're gonna need it today. Let's get into 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.440 what has happened here. Of course, we start off with 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:57.000 the departures, both in Gockway and for Net. And John, 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:58.640 I think you wrote about this the other day and 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.880 I'm interested your take on the US the Young Quay departure. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.400 You kind of had an idea could come at some point, 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.560 right because it has been talked about a possible trade, 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.720 and then it finally came through and he got sent 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.840 to the Minnesota Vikings. The four net deal was a 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:16.799 little bit of a surprise, a lot of a surprise, 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.800 and that Monday morning when that email came through, the 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.160 question I have for you, John, is which departure will 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.760 hurt the Jags the most? Which departure can they overcome easiest? 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.480 The in gotuait one or the for Net one John Well, 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.160 I don't think this was I think it's far easier 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.240 to overcome the loss of a running back, any running back, 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.760 because unless you're a special back Ezekiel Elliott, maybe Kamara, 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.520 a guy like that, a lot of what you do 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.920 in this day and age in the NFL is dependent 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.120 on what's around you. I don't know that four net 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.600 had really created all that much on his own since 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.240 he's been here. He's had production, But how much of 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.640 it is production that that another back wouldn't have gotten. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.480 I'm not sure it's that high to me and got 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.720 Way when you can create turnovers off the edge, when 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.800 you can create pressure on the quarterback on your own, 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.760 which he can usually do. He's had help with doubles 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.120 on the other side, but you can't argue that he 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.520 doesn't create havoc. It's far harder to create pass rush 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.280 in the NFL than it is to create pressure from 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.400 the running back position or production from the running back position. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.400 Can you agree with that? Yeah? I actually I do 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.320 agree with it. Um you know, when you're looking at 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.200 got Way and what he's been able to do thirty 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.240 seven and a half Sex four team force falls and 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.600 John talked about the turnovers, turnovers everything in this game 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.480 in the National Football League. Even though I like Leonard F. Fornett, 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.440 and I think Leonard for Nette has a place in 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.640 this league as a feature back in a certain system, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.600 I do believe the Jaguars can certainly replace his production, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.000 either by committee or with another guys stepping up. I 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.120 think the loss of Jannick and got Way is far 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.680 more impactful in terms of the way that he is 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.120 able to really get after the passer and rate the 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.240 these disruptive plays which are essentially to being able to 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.360 win at high level. Yeah, and and I guess it's 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.600 more difficult. I don't know, maybe this is not right, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.480 but Bucky, I'll ask you, it's more difficult to develop 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.320 an elite pass rusher in this league and maintain it, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.839 especially guy that was a third round pick than it 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.920 is a running back. Is the running back and easier 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.279 position just plugging play in the NFL, And if you 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.040 develop a pass rusher, you've got something special. Yeah, The 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.159 running back position is easier to plug and play, especially 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.160 when it comes to the draft, because when you come 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.200 into the National Football that you're running back, really you're 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.440 relying on your natural instincts. It's easier for guys to 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.760 have success without fully knowing or understanding what it takes 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.800 with pass rushers. That is a craftsman position, a position 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.080 where you need to have guys that are able to 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.640 utilize their hands combined the athleticism and explosive nous with 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.640 some technical skill and savvy. That's hard to find. And 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.160 when you have a guy like gyanicking Gokway who has 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.159 been able to consistently deliver sack production and turnovers, just 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:07.160 makes it very very hard to replace that, Yeah, really 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.240 difficult indeed. And then the Jags though have have tried 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.919 to do that though that Josh Allen pick up in 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.000 the first round. Of course, Caleb and Chase on this year. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.840 A little bit later in the show, we'll get into 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.400 what those guys and what to expect from those guys. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.640 Will hear from Todd Wash as well on the departure 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.360 of Unique and got Way. You know, let's let's touch 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.880 a little more on this for net situation here. And 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.479 he's a free agent cleared waivers, so he's out there 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.400 and open in the open market now. Um, but you know, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.760 it was an interesting comparison Joe Mixon the Bengals the 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:44.560 other day signed a new contract. And it's perception is 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.240 pretty interesting here between these two. As you see in 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.440 your screen here the numbers are pretty darn close to 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.520 each other. But you see at the bottom what has 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.279 happened for Net has been waived as now a free agent. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.479 Joe Mixon just got forty eight million over four years 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.560 extension and Bucky. It depends on the place, the time, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.520 and the perception of what you do and how it looks. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.720 I mean, how do these two guys compare, Not just 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.680 by the numbers, No, I mean I think it's an 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.480 interesting in comparison. When you look at the numbers, the 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.400 numbers are almost identical. Here's what I would say. When 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.160 Leonard Frenette comes into the league as the fourth overall pick, 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.279 the expectations through the roof. You're expected to be a 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.479 guy that contends for Russian titles. You expected to be 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.560 a guy that is in the top two or three 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.680 of your position right away. Joe Mixon wasn't drafted with 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.160 those same expectations because he was the second round pick. Now, 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.440 I will say that his off few issues impacted his 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.360 ability to be a first round pick. Which is why 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.040 he landed in the second round. But he was able 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.039 to overcome those issues. By all accounts and talking to 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.839 people there, great teammate has emerged as a leader. When 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.840 they put it on his shoulders in the last couple 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.800 of years, he handled it and handled it well. Because 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.360 of that, he appears to be trending upward. That's why 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.400 the Cincinnati Bengals were willing to commit. When you get 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.159 some of the reports on Leonard Fernette, they're not the 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.960 same and so look, sometimes that matters. We've talked about 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:12.280 the league changing where character really matters football character, and 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.600 maybe just because of what had happened in Jacksonville with 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.640 Leonard Fernette, maybe he's not the right kind of guy 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:23.560 for this team going forward. Yeah, obviously they felt that way, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.120 and certainly John on the football side. That was the 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.720 reasoning behind it publicly that they announced the other day. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.840 When Doug Brone spoke and Terry Robiscue, the running backs 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.040 coach who we will hear from coming up, he spoke 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.680 as well, you know, it's just not in the plans. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.760 At least they have guys that can do things, not 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.640 what Leonard couldn't do. It's what the other guys around 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.160 him could do. That's the way they explained it to us. John, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.840 there's a couple of thoughts here. Why didn't they release 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.360 him before training camp? That's what everybody's asking. Well, until 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.360 training camp, he hadn't been on the field in Jay 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.800 Gruden's offense. So it's entirely possible three or four weeks 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.160 or three weeks that they looked at and said, you 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.800 know what, not a fit makes sense. Is he one 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.680 of the best physical backs in the team. Probably, but look, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.560 he would all the off field stuff aside. And I 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.200 don't know what went on behind the scenes because you 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.600 don't know everything, but they wouldn't have released him if 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.920 they thought he was great. They have looked at it 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.120 over two or three years. They don't think he's an 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.960 elite back. He's not to make you miss guy. Maybe 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.200 he can fit in a system, but Joe Mixon sort 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.280 of make you miss guy. He creates something out of nothing. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.800 That's not really what Leonard is. It's what's valued in 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.520 Jay's offense. At some point that has to come down 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.840 to it. Now, the timing of it does make you 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.240 think with a year left on the contract, Okay, it 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.240 was probably more than just football. But if he had 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.920 been up here in football, no way this happens. Teams 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.800 don't release players that they think are going to make 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.040 a huge impact for them. They didn't think he was 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.679 gonna make a huge impact for him and think he's replaceable. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.760 So he's gone. He's no longer a jackson Until Jaguar, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:06.200 and that continues a troubling trend, not just recently for 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.760 this Jaguars organization, but a lot of the history for 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.760 the Jacksonville Jaguars of first round pick players not returning 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:20.160 for second contracts. Now, in the early years, really through 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.240 two thousand two, when Tom Coughlin was in control of 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.160 the roster, a lot of those first round picks stuck 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.240 around for second contracts. It may not have been long 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.400 second contracts, but they got through their rookie deal and 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.720 then signed on again. So obviously there was some sustained success. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.599 There was a culture. You had some guys that you 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.440 could build around well starting in oh three and then 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.400 you see on your screen here the recent history of 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:51.840 this UM from to present. The players that have UM 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.280 had a first round selection and then not come back. Blackman, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.240 jokel Bordles, Fowler, Ramsey and now four net on that list, 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.000 you could even go back to twenty eleven. On that list, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.200 Blamed Gabbert was a draft pick, didn't make it to 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.000 a second deal. And in fact, Bucky, you know fifteen 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:12.000 players from OH three to seventeen, fifteen first round picks 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:16.000 in that time, only three of those signed second contracts 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.960 with the Jags, Mercedes Lewis, Tyson Allo, Allo, and Blake Bortles. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.520 So that tells you why there were some different runs 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:28.440 of um not so good football around here. You have 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.760 to have those first round, second round, third round guys, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.440 you absolutely do. And when we think about the draft 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.040 and team building, the first round pick is everything. Uh, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.920 Your first round picks are exposed expected to be top 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.960 five players, that respected physicians. They're expected to be the 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.880 core players of your team, to foundational pieces of a 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.160 championship puzzle. And when you miss, and you miss in 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.920 successive years, it makes it hard to build a competitive team. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.559 Going all the way back. You talked about Justin Blackman 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.200 and Luke Yow called Blake Bortles, Dante Fowler, those guys 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.520 not still being Jaguars. It impacts your ability to compete 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.400 at a high level, and it forces you to consistently 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.760 stay in rebuilding mode. That is hard. It's hard to 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.440 rebuild and be a competitor. They have to do a 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:23.000 better job of getting it right in the first round. Yeah, John, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.320 it's a tough one obviously, to change and buck that 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:31.439 trend um. It's got to start with picking the right guys, obviously, 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.920 and then making that culture what one that players want 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.880 to stick around for in the second Well with a 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.840 laundry list like we just saw, there's never any one reason. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.400 I mean, there were reasons that Jalen Ramsey didn't work out, 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:51.000 justin Blackman all that, So you know, you can't just 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.840 say it was X. They've got to do a better 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.600 job getting players they want to keep. They've got to 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:00.360 do a better job keeping the players they want in 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.800 terms of agokway, remember they tried to resign him early. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.520 They tried to resign him right after his third year, 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.200 and it just never worked out. It wasn't that the 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:13.520 effort wasn't made. Look, you can't win with a list 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.280 like that. It's why they were great in the nineties. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.480 They always hit in the first round, or at least 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.839 didn't miss. Haven't been really good since then, consistently here's 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.280 how you start solving it as soon as the season ends. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.720 And Jp, I'm talking about when the gun goes off 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.160 and they're filing off the field in their last game 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.599 this season, that's when you go sign d J. H 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.280 Art a guy like that. You've got to start getting 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.480 guys this chord you and you've seen me write it 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.800 a lot, JP, Shark, Taylor, Allen. They can't resign Alan 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.160 Taylor after this season. But you've got to get these 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.880 guys who are clearly on board right now. You've got 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.400 to keep them on board. However you do it. I 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.520 think they will. I think this is the last of 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.600 this trend. But I've been saying that for a couple 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.839 of years, Bucky. There's room on the horizon to to 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.600 get those kind of deals done with these players. Yeah, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.320 because you have to send the message to your locker 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.720 room that you're really all about the core. This is 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.400 a great opportunity to reset Doug Morone, Dave cole Will, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.439 the front office and coach and staff. They get a 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.760 chance to rebuild the culture in the locker room and 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.720 they can reward the guys that are they're kind of guys, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.840 meaning guys that are great workers great players. Great leaders 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.920 are really about the team. If you're trying to change 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.000 and turn the culture around, you want to show the 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.640 locker room that we're going to reward the players that 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.800 do it the right way on the field and in 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.439 the locker room. If you start doing that and you 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.960 begin to draft players that are really solid players, that 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:41.680 is the way that you can kind of get back 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.520 to the way the Jaguars were performing in the nineties. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.200 It's not an easy process, but hopefully, as John said, 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.920 maybe they'll do it in the tunnel walking off the 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.280 field after Week seventeen or after the playoffs, after the 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.600 Super Bowl. Why not? Uh, sign up DJ Shark for 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.240 the long term. Game Day is just around the owner, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.600 and we can't wait to be dove all together again. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.960 The Jags are taking every precaution to keep fans safe 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.400 at t i A Bank Field this fall, from cashless 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:15.679 concessions to contactless entry. 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And you saw his 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.720 shirt there by the way, the Jags have launched an 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.120 organization wide commitment to voter education, organized by players and 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.960 coaches and designed to encourage fans to get in the 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.719 game with a call for civic engagement. The Jags are 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.960 calling for fans in Florida to registered to vote by 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.360 the October five deadline. It's a little over a month 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.359 from now. Visit Jaguars dot com. Slash vote is a 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.520 resource for voter registration and key deadlines. And you know, 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.240 to his point, guys, um, that's a young group. There's 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.760 a seventh year player Bucky and Chris Thompson that we've 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.160 talked about on this program a couple of weeks already. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.160 The could be key in this offense for Jake Gruden. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.800 But then you got some young guns. You got second 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.119 year players in Riquil Armstead, who hasn't been on the 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:35.879 field a lot this camp. To be honest with you, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.199 divine on Zigbo, second year guy out of Nebraska, and 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:43.439 a couple of undrafted rookies and James Robinson and Nathan Cottrell. Uh, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.720 that's a lot of young not not you know, the 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.320 only and there's a fullback of course on the roster 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.600 right now, and Bruce Miller as well, So that's a 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.960 lot of young guys on the roster. Running back Bucky, Yeah, 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.960 a lot of young guys, a lot of improving guys. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:57.760 But I would say it looks like this will probably 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.040 come down to Chris Thompson, the quail Armstead. Uh. Typically 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.280 when you're doing a running back by committee situation, would 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.600 like to have one guy that is the scatback that 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.600 can do the things in the passing game with that's 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.760 Chris Thompson two hundred and twelve receptions during his career, 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.000 was a great job in the screen game, can work 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.360 outside of the structure of the offense as an out 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.240 wide receiver in the passing game, so he can handle 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.600 that part of it. Mcclie Anderson is a downhill player, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.359 a guy that is temple tough. He runs through on tackles, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.600 does a great job of getting to the second level 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.680 in a violent fashion. He didn't get a chance to 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.399 see him doing much a season ago, but you have 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.320 to believe that the Jaguars are thinking that he can 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.760 be the dirty work guy, the guy that does the 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:42.159 heavy lifting all early downs, and John Rock had his 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.520 moments last season in his rookie year. He did h 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.399 He hasn't been on the field very much during training 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.680 with me to believe early on at least, I don't 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:57.200 know that he'll be the guy. Is he? I don't 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.680 think you should count him out of this. James Robinson, 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.880 you play in northern Illinois. He's a guy who got 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.760 a lot of theories forty four touchdowns in college. He 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.720 has looked as good and so hard to judge in 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.639 training camp because I'm saying he looked good making guys 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.000 who weren't tackling and miss So what does that mean? 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.560 But if you hadn't known who the best guy was 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.000 out there, you might have thought the best guy was 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.040 James Robinson. So um, I think he's gonna be very 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.359 much by committee. Somebody's gonna have to earn it and 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.159 be RB one, as they like to say. I wouldn't 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:29.320 leave James Robinson out of it. And and JP And 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.560 on a very serious note, I was depressed when I 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.400 heard Terry Whisky talk about guys waiting for their opportunity 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:42.080 because it it made me realize I'm never gonna get mine. Yeah, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:47.520 so sorry, you're just not realizing that. John um uh, 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.400 Bucky too. John's point about these these really young guys, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.480 he undrafted rookies and Robinson and control James Robinson in 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.040 the pre draft process. He had a big East West 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.320 Shrine game. He's a small school guy. I what do 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.840 you know about Robinson coming in? But even before training camp, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.800 what was the book on him coming out? Well, I 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.240 mean the book of him was he certainly was talented enough. 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.240 He did impress and open some eyes, uh with this 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.240 All Star game performance, and even though he slid through 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:18.480 the draft and was an undrafted free agent, there's an 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.000 expectation that he would have a chance. Now what's different 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.760 is this year, without preseason games, you thought that opportunity 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.240 would come because of his exploits on special teams and 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.359 a flash in a preseason game. He certainly has done 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:36.440 enough in practice to give himself an opportunity. He may 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.080 not be a contributor early, he may be a guy 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.200 that the envisioned continued to improve and maybe November December 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.879 you see him crack the rotation as a guy that 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:47.639 is able to kind of be a part of their 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:51.680 running back by committee. Now all of these guys are. 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.480 The best friend of a quarterback is a strong running 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.520 game and in those offense maybe running backs out of 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.160 the backfield and the passing game too. So with without 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.560 a for net to lean on anymore in the running game, 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.720 you know this is this is a little more is 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.399 it a little more pressure on Gardner means you to 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.240 to get the ball out, distribute things and he can't 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:17.119 just hand it off to five times a game anymore. Bucky, 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.840 that's that's out of the window. Now. Yeah, this is 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:24.280 the official kicking off of the training wheels. Garder miss 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:25.840 you now is going to have to ride the big 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.000 boy bike and he's gonna have to do it without 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.440 having all the amenities that he had last year in 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.439 terms of the running back and the like. But this 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.280 really could be good for him because now what you're 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.320 seeing is it's important today's football that the quarterback in 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.040