Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September two. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: a guy who believes there's a fine line between tanking
Speaker 1: and being tanked. J. P. Shad Rick of fine, very
Speaker 1: fine line, and welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour. Appropriate enough. JP. Shattrick.
Speaker 1: We'll get to Bucky Brooks and John Oser coming up.
Speaker 1: We've got a busy program for you today. It's the
Speaker 1: reaction after the fact of Inakwa and for that being
Speaker 1: out of here, the departures, and then what's next at
Speaker 1: those positions, the running back position and a defensive end.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that today. It has not been a
Speaker 1: great history of first round picks returning to the Jaguars
Speaker 1: for second contracts. Will break that down and maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit of what it takes to get out of
Speaker 1: that rut moving forward here with all the changes, is
Speaker 1: there added pressure on Gardner Minshew the second to carry
Speaker 1: this offense? And we'll go around the National Football League
Speaker 1: and our weekly Joe Judge Report as well. John Osan
Speaker 1: is across town here in Jacksonville. What's up, Johnny? How
Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm great j P. I am great,
Speaker 1: and Bucky books Brooks is across the country in California.
Speaker 1: How was the view of things this week in l
Speaker 1: a of the Jaguars' It's a little bit interesting, but
Speaker 1: because it's always sunny out here, I'm gonna be very optimistic.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look for the silver lining and all of
Speaker 1: these things. I like the glass half fool. That's uh,
Speaker 1: that's good. We're gonna need it today. Let's get into
Speaker 1: what has happened here. Of course, we start off with
Speaker 1: the departures, both in Gockway and for Net. And John,
Speaker 1: I think you wrote about this the other day and
Speaker 1: I'm interested your take on the US the Young Quay departure.
Speaker 1: You kind of had an idea could come at some point,
Speaker 1: right because it has been talked about a possible trade,
Speaker 1: and then it finally came through and he got sent
Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Vikings. The four net deal was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a surprise, a lot of a surprise,
Speaker 1: and that Monday morning when that email came through, the
Speaker 1: question I have for you, John, is which departure will
Speaker 1: hurt the Jags the most? Which departure can they overcome easiest?
Speaker 1: The in gotuait one or the for Net one John Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think this was I think it's far easier
Speaker 1: to overcome the loss of a running back, any running back,
Speaker 1: because unless you're a special back Ezekiel Elliott, maybe Kamara,
Speaker 1: a guy like that, a lot of what you do
Speaker 1: in this day and age in the NFL is dependent
Speaker 1: on what's around you. I don't know that four net
Speaker 1: had really created all that much on his own since
Speaker 1: he's been here. He's had production, But how much of
Speaker 1: it is production that that another back wouldn't have gotten.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's that high to me and got
Speaker 1: Way when you can create turnovers off the edge, when
Speaker 1: you can create pressure on the quarterback on your own,
Speaker 1: which he can usually do. He's had help with doubles
Speaker 1: on the other side, but you can't argue that he
Speaker 1: doesn't create havoc. It's far harder to create pass rush
Speaker 1: in the NFL than it is to create pressure from
Speaker 1: the running back position or production from the running back position.
Speaker 1: Can you agree with that? Yeah? I actually I do
Speaker 1: agree with it. Um you know, when you're looking at
Speaker 1: got Way and what he's been able to do thirty
Speaker 1: seven and a half Sex four team force falls and
Speaker 1: John talked about the turnovers, turnovers everything in this game
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Even though I like Leonard F. Fornett,
Speaker 1: and I think Leonard for Nette has a place in
Speaker 1: this league as a feature back in a certain system,
Speaker 1: I do believe the Jaguars can certainly replace his production,
Speaker 1: either by committee or with another guys stepping up. I
Speaker 1: think the loss of Jannick and got Way is far
Speaker 1: more impactful in terms of the way that he is
Speaker 1: able to really get after the passer and rate the
Speaker 1: these disruptive plays which are essentially to being able to
Speaker 1: win at high level. Yeah, and and I guess it's
Speaker 1: more difficult. I don't know, maybe this is not right,
Speaker 1: but Bucky, I'll ask you, it's more difficult to develop
Speaker 1: an elite pass rusher in this league and maintain it,
Speaker 1: especially guy that was a third round pick than it
Speaker 1: is a running back. Is the running back and easier
Speaker 1: position just plugging play in the NFL, And if you
Speaker 1: develop a pass rusher, you've got something special. Yeah, The
Speaker 1: running back position is easier to plug and play, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to the draft, because when you come
Speaker 1: into the National Football that you're running back, really you're
Speaker 1: relying on your natural instincts. It's easier for guys to
Speaker 1: have success without fully knowing or understanding what it takes
Speaker 1: with pass rushers. That is a craftsman position, a position
Speaker 1: where you need to have guys that are able to
Speaker 1: utilize their hands combined the athleticism and explosive nous with
Speaker 1: some technical skill and savvy. That's hard to find. And
Speaker 1: when you have a guy like gyanicking Gokway who has
Speaker 1: been able to consistently deliver sack production and turnovers, just
Speaker 1: makes it very very hard to replace that, Yeah, really
Speaker 1: difficult indeed. And then the Jags though have have tried
Speaker 1: to do that though that Josh Allen pick up in
Speaker 1: the first round. Of course, Caleb and Chase on this year.
Speaker 1: A little bit later in the show, we'll get into
Speaker 1: what those guys and what to expect from those guys.
Speaker 1: Will hear from Todd Wash as well on the departure
Speaker 1: of Unique and got Way. You know, let's let's touch
Speaker 1: a little more on this for net situation here. And
Speaker 1: he's a free agent cleared waivers, so he's out there
Speaker 1: and open in the open market now. Um, but you know,
Speaker 1: it was an interesting comparison Joe Mixon the Bengals the
Speaker 1: other day signed a new contract. And it's perception is
Speaker 1: pretty interesting here between these two. As you see in
Speaker 1: your screen here the numbers are pretty darn close to
Speaker 1: each other. But you see at the bottom what has
Speaker 1: happened for Net has been waived as now a free agent.
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon just got forty eight million over four years
Speaker 1: extension and Bucky. It depends on the place, the time,
Speaker 1: and the perception of what you do and how it looks.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do these two guys compare, Not just
Speaker 1: by the numbers, No, I mean I think it's an
Speaker 1: interesting in comparison. When you look at the numbers, the
Speaker 1: numbers are almost identical. Here's what I would say. When
Speaker 1: Leonard Frenette comes into the league as the fourth overall pick,
Speaker 1: the expectations through the roof. You're expected to be a
Speaker 1: guy that contends for Russian titles. You expected to be
Speaker 1: a guy that is in the top two or three
Speaker 1: of your position right away. Joe Mixon wasn't drafted with
Speaker 1: those same expectations because he was the second round pick. Now,
Speaker 1: I will say that his off few issues impacted his
Speaker 1: ability to be a first round pick. Which is why
Speaker 1: he landed in the second round. But he was able
Speaker 1: to overcome those issues. By all accounts and talking to
Speaker 1: people there, great teammate has emerged as a leader. When
Speaker 1: they put it on his shoulders in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, he handled it and handled it well. Because
Speaker 1: of that, he appears to be trending upward. That's why
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals were willing to commit. When you get
Speaker 1: some of the reports on Leonard Fernette, they're not the
Speaker 1: same and so look, sometimes that matters. We've talked about
Speaker 1: the league changing where character really matters football character, and
Speaker 1: maybe just because of what had happened in Jacksonville with
Speaker 1: Leonard Fernette, maybe he's not the right kind of guy
Speaker 1: for this team going forward. Yeah, obviously they felt that way,
Speaker 1: and certainly John on the football side. That was the
Speaker 1: reasoning behind it publicly that they announced the other day.
Speaker 1: When Doug Brone spoke and Terry Robiscue, the running backs
Speaker 1: coach who we will hear from coming up, he spoke
Speaker 1: as well, you know, it's just not in the plans.
Speaker 1: At least they have guys that can do things, not
Speaker 1: what Leonard couldn't do. It's what the other guys around
Speaker 1: him could do. That's the way they explained it to us. John,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of thoughts here. Why didn't they release
Speaker 1: him before training camp? That's what everybody's asking. Well, until
Speaker 1: training camp, he hadn't been on the field in Jay
Speaker 1: Gruden's offense. So it's entirely possible three or four weeks
Speaker 1: or three weeks that they looked at and said, you
Speaker 1: know what, not a fit makes sense. Is he one
Speaker 1: of the best physical backs in the team. Probably, but look,
Speaker 1: he would all the off field stuff aside. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what went on behind the scenes because you
Speaker 1: don't know everything, but they wouldn't have released him if
Speaker 1: they thought he was great. They have looked at it
Speaker 1: over two or three years. They don't think he's an
Speaker 1: elite back. He's not to make you miss guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: he can fit in a system, but Joe Mixon sort
Speaker 1: of make you miss guy. He creates something out of nothing.
Speaker 1: That's not really what Leonard is. It's what's valued in
Speaker 1: Jay's offense. At some point that has to come down
Speaker 1: to it. Now, the timing of it does make you
Speaker 1: think with a year left on the contract, Okay, it
Speaker 1: was probably more than just football. But if he had
Speaker 1: been up here in football, no way this happens. Teams
Speaker 1: don't release players that they think are going to make
Speaker 1: a huge impact for them. They didn't think he was
Speaker 1: gonna make a huge impact for him and think he's replaceable.
Speaker 1: So he's gone. He's no longer a jackson Until Jaguar,
Speaker 1: and that continues a troubling trend, not just recently for
Speaker 1: this Jaguars organization, but a lot of the history for
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars of first round pick players not returning
Speaker 1: for second contracts. Now, in the early years, really through
Speaker 1: two thousand two, when Tom Coughlin was in control of
Speaker 1: the roster, a lot of those first round picks stuck
Speaker 1: around for second contracts. It may not have been long
Speaker 1: second contracts, but they got through their rookie deal and
Speaker 1: then signed on again. So obviously there was some sustained success.
Speaker 1: There was a culture. You had some guys that you
Speaker 1: could build around well starting in oh three and then
Speaker 1: you see on your screen here the recent history of
Speaker 1: this UM from to present. The players that have UM
Speaker 1: had a first round selection and then not come back. Blackman,
Speaker 1: jokel Bordles, Fowler, Ramsey and now four net on that list,
Speaker 1: you could even go back to twenty eleven. On that list,
Speaker 1: Blamed Gabbert was a draft pick, didn't make it to
Speaker 1: a second deal. And in fact, Bucky, you know fifteen
Speaker 1: players from OH three to seventeen, fifteen first round picks
Speaker 1: in that time, only three of those signed second contracts
Speaker 1: with the Jags, Mercedes Lewis, Tyson Allo, Allo, and Blake Bortles.
Speaker 1: So that tells you why there were some different runs
Speaker 1: of um not so good football around here. You have
Speaker 1: to have those first round, second round, third round guys,
Speaker 1: you absolutely do. And when we think about the draft
Speaker 1: and team building, the first round pick is everything. Uh,
Speaker 1: Your first round picks are exposed expected to be top
Speaker 1: five players, that respected physicians. They're expected to be the
Speaker 1: core players of your team, to foundational pieces of a
Speaker 1: championship puzzle. And when you miss, and you miss in
Speaker 1: successive years, it makes it hard to build a competitive team.
Speaker 1: Going all the way back. You talked about Justin Blackman
Speaker 1: and Luke Yow called Blake Bortles, Dante Fowler, those guys
Speaker 1: not still being Jaguars. It impacts your ability to compete
Speaker 1: at a high level, and it forces you to consistently
Speaker 1: stay in rebuilding mode. That is hard. It's hard to
Speaker 1: rebuild and be a competitor. They have to do a
Speaker 1: better job of getting it right in the first round. Yeah, John,
Speaker 1: it's a tough one obviously, to change and buck that
Speaker 1: trend um. It's got to start with picking the right guys, obviously,
Speaker 1: and then making that culture what one that players want
Speaker 1: to stick around for in the second Well with a
Speaker 1: laundry list like we just saw, there's never any one reason.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were reasons that Jalen Ramsey didn't work out,
Speaker 1: justin Blackman all that, So you know, you can't just
Speaker 1: say it was X. They've got to do a better
Speaker 1: job getting players they want to keep. They've got to
Speaker 1: do a better job keeping the players they want in
Speaker 1: terms of agokway, remember they tried to resign him early.
Speaker 1: They tried to resign him right after his third year,
Speaker 1: and it just never worked out. It wasn't that the
Speaker 1: effort wasn't made. Look, you can't win with a list
Speaker 1: like that. It's why they were great in the nineties.
Speaker 1: They always hit in the first round, or at least
Speaker 1: didn't miss. Haven't been really good since then, consistently here's
Speaker 1: how you start solving it as soon as the season ends.
Speaker 1: And Jp, I'm talking about when the gun goes off
Speaker 1: and they're filing off the field in their last game
Speaker 1: this season, that's when you go sign d J. H
Speaker 1: Art a guy like that. You've got to start getting
Speaker 1: guys this chord you and you've seen me write it
Speaker 1: a lot, JP, Shark, Taylor, Allen. They can't resign Alan
Speaker 1: Taylor after this season. But you've got to get these
Speaker 1: guys who are clearly on board right now. You've got
Speaker 1: to keep them on board. However you do it. I
Speaker 1: think they will. I think this is the last of
Speaker 1: this trend. But I've been saying that for a couple
Speaker 1: of years, Bucky. There's room on the horizon to to
Speaker 1: get those kind of deals done with these players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you have to send the message to your locker
Speaker 1: room that you're really all about the core. This is
Speaker 1: a great opportunity to reset Doug Morone, Dave cole Will,
Speaker 1: the front office and coach and staff. They get a
Speaker 1: chance to rebuild the culture in the locker room and
Speaker 1: they can reward the guys that are they're kind of guys,
Speaker 1: meaning guys that are great workers great players. Great leaders
Speaker 1: are really about the team. If you're trying to change
Speaker 1: and turn the culture around, you want to show the
Speaker 1: locker room that we're going to reward the players that
Speaker 1: do it the right way on the field and in
Speaker 1: the locker room. If you start doing that and you
Speaker 1: begin to draft players that are really solid players, that
Speaker 1: is the way that you can kind of get back
Speaker 1: to the way the Jaguars were performing in the nineties.
Speaker 1: It's not an easy process, but hopefully, as John said,
Speaker 1: maybe they'll do it in the tunnel walking off the
Speaker 1: field after Week seventeen or after the playoffs, after the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Why not? Uh, sign up DJ Shark for
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Speaker 1: by n c U. A M look like a bunch
Speaker 1: of bread guy, you know, just a bunch of big
Speaker 1: guy guys that that's flare in the gold. Just one
Speaker 1: opportunity they want. They wanted an opportunity and I think
Speaker 1: they feel the opportunities there and a group of guys that, um,
Speaker 1: I think there's a group of guys that's ready to
Speaker 1: go meet the challenge. Uh, you know, go prove themselves.
Speaker 1: And like everybody in life wants an opportunity. I got
Speaker 1: a group of guys that, uh that's got a shot.
Speaker 1: They've got an opportunity here and it's uh uh it's
Speaker 1: right before there. Terra Pisku has been at this for
Speaker 1: a long time. He's the Jaguars running backs coach and
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Speaker 1: to his point, guys, um, that's a young group. There's
Speaker 1: a seventh year player Bucky and Chris Thompson that we've
Speaker 1: talked about on this program a couple of weeks already.
Speaker 1: The could be key in this offense for Jake Gruden.
Speaker 1: But then you got some young guns. You got second
Speaker 1: year players in Riquil Armstead, who hasn't been on the
Speaker 1: field a lot this camp. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: divine on Zigbo, second year guy out of Nebraska, and
Speaker 1: a couple of undrafted rookies and James Robinson and Nathan Cottrell. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of young not not you know, the
Speaker 1: only and there's a fullback of course on the roster
Speaker 1: right now, and Bruce Miller as well, So that's a
Speaker 1: lot of young guys on the roster. Running back Bucky, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of young guys, a lot of improving guys.
Speaker 1: But I would say it looks like this will probably
Speaker 1: come down to Chris Thompson, the quail Armstead. Uh. Typically
Speaker 1: when you're doing a running back by committee situation, would
Speaker 1: like to have one guy that is the scatback that
Speaker 1: can do the things in the passing game with that's
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson two hundred and twelve receptions during his career,
Speaker 1: was a great job in the screen game, can work
Speaker 1: outside of the structure of the offense as an out
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the passing game, so he can handle
Speaker 1: that part of it. Mcclie Anderson is a downhill player,
Speaker 1: a guy that is temple tough. He runs through on tackles,
Speaker 1: does a great job of getting to the second level
Speaker 1: in a violent fashion. He didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: see him doing much a season ago, but you have
Speaker 1: to believe that the Jaguars are thinking that he can
Speaker 1: be the dirty work guy, the guy that does the
Speaker 1: heavy lifting all early downs, and John Rock had his
Speaker 1: moments last season in his rookie year. He did h
Speaker 1: He hasn't been on the field very much during training
Speaker 1: with me to believe early on at least, I don't
Speaker 1: know that he'll be the guy. Is he? I don't
Speaker 1: think you should count him out of this. James Robinson,
Speaker 1: you play in northern Illinois. He's a guy who got
Speaker 1: a lot of theories forty four touchdowns in college. He
Speaker 1: has looked as good and so hard to judge in
Speaker 1: training camp because I'm saying he looked good making guys
Speaker 1: who weren't tackling and miss So what does that mean?
Speaker 1: But if you hadn't known who the best guy was
Speaker 1: out there, you might have thought the best guy was
Speaker 1: James Robinson. So um, I think he's gonna be very
Speaker 1: much by committee. Somebody's gonna have to earn it and
Speaker 1: be RB one, as they like to say. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: leave James Robinson out of it. And and JP And
Speaker 1: on a very serious note, I was depressed when I
Speaker 1: heard Terry Whisky talk about guys waiting for their opportunity
Speaker 1: because it it made me realize I'm never gonna get mine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so sorry, you're just not realizing that. John um uh,
Speaker 1: Bucky too. John's point about these these really young guys,
Speaker 1: he undrafted rookies and Robinson and control James Robinson in
Speaker 1: the pre draft process. He had a big East West
Speaker 1: Shrine game. He's a small school guy. I what do
Speaker 1: you know about Robinson coming in? But even before training camp,
Speaker 1: what was the book on him coming out? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean the book of him was he certainly was talented enough.
Speaker 1: He did impress and open some eyes, uh with this
Speaker 1: All Star game performance, and even though he slid through
Speaker 1: the draft and was an undrafted free agent, there's an
Speaker 1: expectation that he would have a chance. Now what's different
Speaker 1: is this year, without preseason games, you thought that opportunity
Speaker 1: would come because of his exploits on special teams and
Speaker 1: a flash in a preseason game. He certainly has done
Speaker 1: enough in practice to give himself an opportunity. He may
Speaker 1: not be a contributor early, he may be a guy
Speaker 1: that the envisioned continued to improve and maybe November December
Speaker 1: you see him crack the rotation as a guy that
Speaker 1: is able to kind of be a part of their
Speaker 1: running back by committee. Now all of these guys are.
Speaker 1: The best friend of a quarterback is a strong running
Speaker 1: game and in those offense maybe running backs out of
Speaker 1: the backfield and the passing game too. So with without
Speaker 1: a for net to lean on anymore in the running game,
Speaker 1: you know this is this is a little more is
Speaker 1: it a little more pressure on Gardner means you to
Speaker 1: to get the ball out, distribute things and he can't
Speaker 1: just hand it off to five times a game anymore. Bucky,
Speaker 1: that's that's out of the window. Now. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the official kicking off of the training wheels. Garder miss
Speaker 1: you now is going to have to ride the big
Speaker 1: boy bike and he's gonna have to do it without
Speaker 1: having all the amenities that he had last year in
Speaker 1: terms of the running back and the like. But this
Speaker 1: really could be good for him because now what you're
Speaker 1: seeing is it's important today's football that the quarterback in
Speaker 1: the running back, the marriage lines up. When now you
Speaker 1: have Garden miss you, who really excels and being able
Speaker 1: to get the ball out. So I'm playing the air
Speaker 1: raided Weston State. He can distribute and kind of slee
Speaker 1: that that pass first point guard that you like to see.
Speaker 1: When then you put Chris Thompson behind him, who was
Speaker 1: the guy that can gets the ball out the backfield.
Speaker 1: You may see a better, more efficient version of Garner
Speaker 1: miss you. And that's saying something because he was pretty
Speaker 1: solid and the pressive as a rookie starter. Yeah, John,
Speaker 1: we saw in clutch moments he can handle some of
Speaker 1: the heat and the pressure late game situations. Who's pretty
Speaker 1: good last season in his rookie year. This is a
Speaker 1: little different now, is Bucky said? The trading wheels are
Speaker 1: off here you go, this is your season to be
Speaker 1: the starter and it is your offense. Now. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: make a point here. I'll kick back to the running
Speaker 1: back and get a gardener in a minute. If you're
Speaker 1: going to be inexperience somewhere, running back is the position
Speaker 1: to be in experienced. They're pretty experienced wide receiver, tight ends.
Speaker 1: Offensive line has been together for you know a year
Speaker 1: now with an experience center in Brandon Lender. What you
Speaker 1: would love in that equation? Obviously, if you had an
Speaker 1: eight year quarterback, you wouldn't worry at all about the
Speaker 1: running backs behind it, because an eight year quarterback can
Speaker 1: carry the running back. You can tell him blitz pick
Speaker 1: ups to whatever that's gonna be the biggest thing for
Speaker 1: the young guys. Can you pick up the blitz and
Speaker 1: protect Minshoo. He's got to show it's his team. Now
Speaker 1: the training wheels are off, all that stuff. He's got
Speaker 1: a chance to show it's his team. I don't know,
Speaker 1: realistically if there's more pressure, because I don't know how
Speaker 1: you've come into a situation with more pressure than Minshew. Realistically,
Speaker 1: this is his chance to show he's an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: If he leads this franchise a six seven wins, he's
Speaker 1: the guy. If he doesn't, then realistically he's probably a
Speaker 1: backup and and it's gonna be hard to get himself
Speaker 1: out of that reputation. So does it increase the pressure. No,
Speaker 1: because he's got a world of pressure on him. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: j P. I think he's the guy who's throws. We'll
Speaker 1: get back with the John in just a moment. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, it's a kind of hypothetical question now, Bucky.
Speaker 1: But you know, because we're before the season, but where
Speaker 1: we can have away from the first game of the year,
Speaker 1: you know, and the question is, you know, what's it
Speaker 1: going to take for him to be the ranchise guy
Speaker 1: moving ahead? So is it six seven, eight wins whatever
Speaker 1: that is. If it's not that, are there changes in
Speaker 1: the decision makers and do they go a different route
Speaker 1: and try to go for the big star in the
Speaker 1: draft next year. It's all hypothetical now, but it kind
Speaker 1: of reminds you of a few years back. We went
Speaker 1: through the first round draft picks a minute ago. Like
Speaker 1: Mortals was one of those. They resigned him, they doubled
Speaker 1: down on that. It didn't work out. So another big
Speaker 1: decision is looming down the line here. There were a
Speaker 1: little earlier for that, but it is coming up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another decisions looming down the line, and look, we gotta
Speaker 1: we have to address the elephant in the room. One
Speaker 1: quarterback class. Uh, draft class is outstanding. There's some notable
Speaker 1: names there. There's some underclassmen that people are excited about,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields and Trey Lance and so
Speaker 1: Garden miss you not only has to compete against what
Speaker 1: is in front of him on the field, but he
Speaker 1: has to be more impressive than what any of those
Speaker 1: guys displayed during their final seasons in college. And so
Speaker 1: that is tough. And when you also have the scars
Speaker 1: of not moving on from Blake Bortles and watching Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes going to be a star and win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson emerging as a star. It impacts your ability
Speaker 1: to make decisions. So look, Gardener, miss you, we we
Speaker 1: talked about these analogies. He's Donna Kyote. He is fighting
Speaker 1: windmills this year, not only on the field but in
Speaker 1: the draft because he has to be spectacular to prevent
Speaker 1: the decision makers from not dipping their toe into that
Speaker 1: quarterback market. That is you're you're bringing out the uh,
Speaker 1: the big guns today. I like it. Well, what would
Speaker 1: you compare this? Uh? I know it's early, we haven't
Speaker 1: played the last year before next year's draft, but as
Speaker 1: it stands right now, where would you rank the quarterback
Speaker 1: class in next year's draft. I know it's early, they
Speaker 1: haven't played the season yet, but as it sits tonight,
Speaker 1: it's spectacular. I mean it's as good as that class
Speaker 1: that had Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. You have three
Speaker 1: guys at the top of the board that are legitimate, uh,
Speaker 1: bona fide playmakers. Trevor Lawrence justin fields, trade lance and
Speaker 1: whatever order. You like that because I know there's been
Speaker 1: an anointing of Trevor Lawrence, but I'm gonna telling you
Speaker 1: there's some people that are not quite certain that he
Speaker 1: is the universal choice to be number one. And so
Speaker 1: in a wide open race on the collegiate level, you
Speaker 1: got three options were guys that can come in and
Speaker 1: be franchise quarterbacks. Garden. Misshew has to prove or show
Speaker 1: that he is better than what could be behind during
Speaker 1: number one next year on draft deck, John Os, you're
Speaker 1: back with us now, Well, it's a lot to take in,
Speaker 1: and you know, you gotta go win games to begin with,
Speaker 1: and then the performance has to be, according to Buckey,
Speaker 1: better than what those guys could bring to That's that's
Speaker 1: a lot to do for Gardner in year two, John Well,
Speaker 1: it either has to be that or maybe a playoff
Speaker 1: the old analogy. You know, I don't have to outrun
Speaker 1: the bear. I just have to outrun the guy that
Speaker 1: I'm running from the bear with. You know, um, I
Speaker 1: think the worry that you have isn't the Gardner Minshew
Speaker 1: leads him to eight wins or nine wins. The war
Speaker 1: is is a Jaguars fan. You have his He's good
Speaker 1: enough to lead you to five, And does that put
Speaker 1: you at picking five when the top three guys go
Speaker 1: off the board. Because if there's three, here's three teams
Speaker 1: who want quarterbacks up there, They're not going to trade
Speaker 1: you with you, no matter what you offer. So you
Speaker 1: don't want him to be just good enough to take
Speaker 1: you out of that equation and you know we're away
Speaker 1: at it. Maybe he'll be the guy. I hope he is,
Speaker 1: but that would be the concern is is he just
Speaker 1: good enough to not let you be in that mix? Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean he has the blade border situation all over again,
Speaker 1: and you have to dig down and you have to
Speaker 1: be able to put your projection glass is on and
Speaker 1: see what is gonna miss you going to be in
Speaker 1: five years? Will We'll be making a franchise killing mistake
Speaker 1: by not dipping out in that quarterback class by hanging
Speaker 1: with Gordon Minshew, a six brown pick. A lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on him because he's going to have to play
Speaker 1: exceedingly well for the team builders to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bypass what we could get at quarterback and
Speaker 1: continue to build a team around him. Alright, so let's
Speaker 1: play some football games, hopefully and win some football games
Speaker 1: before we get to that conversation and Buckey will have
Speaker 1: that conversation again. I think when it is time to
Speaker 1: have that conversation down the line. Let's come back in
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour in Goquay. Unique and got Way defensive
Speaker 1: end might have heard of him, traded to the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Vikings officially Monday for draft picks, a second rounder next year,
Speaker 1: a conditional fifth round pick in two and today for
Speaker 1: the first time, we heard from defensive coordinator Todd Wash
Speaker 1: on Unique and got Way and his relationship with nine One.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing is, you know, I think it worked
Speaker 1: out forable sides. Obviously, I have a strong feelings for
Speaker 1: Yahn and uh, you know, having him for three or
Speaker 1: four years and that kind of stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: I wish him nothing but the best, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: both the organization and Yahn. We all have to move on.
Speaker 1: John's a very intelligent football player. We were gonna do
Speaker 1: some things schematically obviously, just to move him around, get
Speaker 1: him on space, get him in edges Um. There wasn't
Speaker 1: really a, like you said, a situation where we could
Speaker 1: really get to that, you know. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've kind of built some things so
Speaker 1: if we have players that fit that role, we're able to,
Speaker 1: you know, get him in that role that best fits
Speaker 1: their skill set. That's Todd washed defensive coordinator today and
Speaker 1: he's discussing what they could have done within Gockway but
Speaker 1: just maybe didn't have the time to do last year.
Speaker 1: And Gockway held out going in miss summer training camp.
Speaker 1: So they those are the plans that that Todd was
Speaker 1: talking about their buck. He was trying to do some
Speaker 1: different things, moving them around, standing them up maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit on the defensive side. They just didn't get
Speaker 1: to that. I want to ask you, though, Bucky, was
Speaker 1: this a good deal? Is there a winner in this deal?
Speaker 1: What the Jags getta not in return? Or is this
Speaker 1: a fair deal? I mean, it's tough to say because
Speaker 1: that you have to turn the picks and the players
Speaker 1: we know what Yannick and Gockway is. He's a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl player. He's a guy who has the fourth most
Speaker 1: forced bumbles in the league's sixteen And so the only
Speaker 1: way you can say that this is a win for
Speaker 1: the Jaguars is if what they get back in players
Speaker 1: gives them more than that. But I'll say this, a
Speaker 1: lot of it depends on and Josh Allen erased what
Speaker 1: Yannick and Gockway has done. Meaning this, Josh Allen played
Speaker 1: a high enough level where we're singing his praises as
Speaker 1: a dominant player, as a top ten player at the position.
Speaker 1: And then can caleban Chason. Can he come in and
Speaker 1: give you immediate contributions and impact as Ricky Russian. That
Speaker 1: remains to be seen, But I think some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that Todd wash was reserving for John he can
Speaker 1: do with Josh Allen. And if Josh Allen plays up
Speaker 1: to the expectations, the Jaguars defense may not skip a
Speaker 1: beat without Janick and Gokua. Yeah, John, it feels that way.
Speaker 1: You know, they drafted Josh and they were together a year.
Speaker 1: He and unique and now John's gone, here's Chason to
Speaker 1: come in to fill those shoes. That's a pretty natural progression,
Speaker 1: at least on paper. Yeah, and it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a tough spot for the Jags in that fense.
Speaker 1: Of Yes, he wanted to pay Unique, but as we've
Speaker 1: talked about JP, the reality was it was hard to
Speaker 1: pay him before because he wasn't the best defensive end
Speaker 1: on your team when Clay's Campbell was here. Hard to
Speaker 1: pay him now because he's not the best defensive end
Speaker 1: on your team with Josh Allen here. So that I'm
Speaker 1: sure played a little bit of that. Yes, Josh Allen
Speaker 1: can replace uniques production. He's gonna be a better run
Speaker 1: player than Unique could have been. The question is can
Speaker 1: Chase sign get to a point or he replaces what
Speaker 1: the second defensive end, second edge rusher, which was gonna
Speaker 1: be Unique. Can Chason get to half of that this year?
Speaker 1: I think he'll get above it at some point. He's
Speaker 1: supposed to be a first round pick. Can he get
Speaker 1: to replacing six sacks? Maybe a couple of bumbles. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to replace Unique production what would
Speaker 1: have been his production this year. He's too good. It
Speaker 1: would be insulting to him to say that you're going
Speaker 1: to be better without him. Curious to see how he
Speaker 1: fits in in Minnesota as well. We'll find out firsthand
Speaker 1: week thirteen, by the way that the Jags are at
Speaker 1: the Vikings, and I would bet that Unique will be
Speaker 1: sounding the galler horn himself the opening kickoff in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: UM today, Todd wash Buck he was asked about Caleb
Speaker 1: and chasn and where he would be in this defense,
Speaker 1: and I think the question was about would you standing up,
Speaker 1: would you play him at lineback or some and and
Speaker 1: Todd today said, no, We're gonna keep even at defensive line,
Speaker 1: defensive end. And but he's strong enough and big enough
Speaker 1: that he can play that that the other end, you know,
Speaker 1: which is I think a little bit of maybe not
Speaker 1: a surprise, but seeing it on the practice field, finally
Speaker 1: they've realized they can do a little more with Chason
Speaker 1: than just on the rush end side of Thanks Bucky. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: he's a talented player. He's he's very athletic, he's dynamic,
Speaker 1: he's explosive. Um he has natural wiggle ability due to
Speaker 1: his basketball background in high school. And I believe what
Speaker 1: you have is he can matures. You have two guys
Speaker 1: that are very similar in Josh Allen and Jason. Josh
Speaker 1: Allen was a more refined rusher coming out of Kentucky,
Speaker 1: but Chasan has explosive athletic traits and if they can
Speaker 1: develop those traits on the field, you now have two
Speaker 1: guys who can be chameleons on the edge and whether
Speaker 1: you want to stand them off or put them down
Speaker 1: or do all kinds of things, but you put them
Speaker 1: on the same side. Did Look, it is available there
Speaker 1: the creativity and whatever tid Wasah wants to do, but
Speaker 1: it will be governed by what Jason is able to
Speaker 1: show very early in the year. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's plenty of room for the Jaguars to get more
Speaker 1: creative on defense with these young ed Russia's stepping into
Speaker 1: the line up. And John, we've talked about this offseason.
Speaker 1: Really that's been the talking point around JAG's Twitter and
Speaker 1: the fan base and all that is all they should
Speaker 1: play some three four and mix some of that stuff in.
Speaker 1: I mean, Todd wash is not going there. Are you
Speaker 1: saying it's the four three? Look, they'll have some principles.
Speaker 1: Would you like to explain this yet again, John, what
Speaker 1: this is going to be? Well, it's gonna be the hybrid.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the same scheme, but it certainly sounds
Speaker 1: like they're going to have more of an ability to
Speaker 1: stand the edge guys up in passing situations. And I
Speaker 1: haven't had to explain this in a while, so my
Speaker 1: touch points are kind of gone. But that's sort of
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be. They don't believe they're a true
Speaker 1: three four scheme because they don't leave they have a
Speaker 1: true nose, and then the ends who really play that way.
Speaker 1: But this has been made such a big deal of
Speaker 1: and it's really not as video as people make it
Speaker 1: because you're only in that base package for the plays anyway,
Speaker 1: in your pass rush, pass defense schemes, I think you
Speaker 1: will see them get a chance to play more of
Speaker 1: their true edge rushers in that scheme. With this, I'd
Speaker 1: explain it very well. Maybe Bucky the football guy can
Speaker 1: do better, but that's the spirit of it. Basically, it's
Speaker 1: a conversation we always have that I don't think means
Speaker 1: as much in reality as it does on Twitter. John,
Speaker 1: You're right, it really doesn't. Most teams are in the
Speaker 1: nickel or sub packages seventy at a time, So maybe
Speaker 1: on first down you have to determine are your four
Speaker 1: three or a three or four team, But it really
Speaker 1: depends on the other team because the other team is
Speaker 1: playing eleven person one act once at in three war
Speaker 1: receivers your nickel packages on the field. I think the
Speaker 1: important thing that you want to think about if you're
Speaker 1: tied wash, how can I get my best eleving on
Speaker 1: the field. How can I get my best group of
Speaker 1: pass rushers on the field. At the same time, if
Speaker 1: Chasing is more comfortable standing up, the stand up, if
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is more comfortable standing up, stand up or
Speaker 1: put your hand down, un enabled these guys to be
Speaker 1: at their best. That's really what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: How you put the x is on the board or
Speaker 1: whatever doesn't matter. Just get the right guys in those
Speaker 1: xbox and then go hunt the quarterback. I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: j P. If they don't stop the run, you can
Speaker 1: play a seven two and it doesn't map. That's the
Speaker 1: whole They gotta stop starts in order to let those
Speaker 1: guys out brush the quarterback. And that's really the key.
Speaker 1: They have to stop the run no matter what scheme
Speaker 1: they play. Yeah, that was I certainly an issue for
Speaker 1: this defense. Last, You're to say the least a handful
Speaker 1: of two hundred yard plus rushing games against this defense.
Speaker 1: That's been the big talking point this offseason as well
Speaker 1: for Todd Washington's group. Let's come back in a moment,
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Speaker 1: the really really good young receivers in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy our j P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks
Speaker 1: and John Osier. I have a question for oh John,
Speaker 1: please go ahead. Yes, if we had Mike Bucky up
Speaker 1: back in ninety six when he was one on one
Speaker 1: with Keenan, what would it have sounded like? It would
Speaker 1: have sounded um one. That probably would have been a
Speaker 1: bunch of explainers, and then it would have been holding
Speaker 1: off for dear life, and you would have heard Keenan
Speaker 1: talking about queer holding, quick, grabbing quick klutchen And I'm
Speaker 1: just like Keena. The Nor officials out here, we're just
Speaker 1: out here playing ball. The Nor officials, You've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of that, a lot of that conversation I like it.
Speaker 1: So you're saying Keenan um talked a bit or complained
Speaker 1: of it about whole grabbing. He complained a lot. And
Speaker 1: in fact, this, this little cricket pinky is due to
Speaker 1: Keenan because inadvertently got my finger caught up in his
Speaker 1: jersey and he pulled away and I hurt my little pinky. Well,
Speaker 1: I hope, well, now you learned your lesson. I guess
Speaker 1: that's what he told me. That's what you gets what held.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. Of course. Keendan now the wide receivers coach
Speaker 1: from the Jacksonville Jaguars, and you know, you can see
Speaker 1: his impact. I think with that mindset and the way
Speaker 1: he came up a late round draft pick and worked
Speaker 1: his way through the league for a long career here Bucky,
Speaker 1: I mean, his impact with these young receivers is pretty
Speaker 1: obvious to see, including the guy we just saw on
Speaker 1: the screen and DJ Chart. I love Keena mccardo not
Speaker 1: only as a person, but I love him as a teacher.
Speaker 1: And I think what we've seen consistently down in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: the wide receivers get better under his tutor. D J.
Speaker 1: Chark is a terrific example He is someone that was
Speaker 1: drafted and I viewed him as a vertical stretch guy,
Speaker 1: but he is emerged and evolved to being a legitimate
Speaker 1: number one receiver. The things that you've been able to
Speaker 1: see him do, winning the fifty fifty balls, still being
Speaker 1: able to guy to to take the top off the
Speaker 1: defense while being that number one. It's fantastic. But it's
Speaker 1: the other guys, Chris Connley being able to make plays
Speaker 1: as a dirty work receiver, Ken and Cole being able
Speaker 1: to do things as a slot receiver. The work that
Speaker 1: he is going to do with Laviska channel, we haven't
Speaker 1: been able to see it, but I know that he
Speaker 1: is going to make him a terrific catch and run specialists.
Speaker 1: This wide receiver corps would be much better than advertised
Speaker 1: and it could be a reason why Gardier Mention plays
Speaker 1: better than many people expect. John every receiver. We talked
Speaker 1: to Raves about Keenan's teaching ability. Yeah, and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what's intriguing about this wide receiver for and I
Speaker 1: Bucky Allergy speak to this more than me. How On
Speaker 1: Johnson has looked as good or better than jal Not
Speaker 1: that Nald hasn't looked good at times, Colin Johnson's really
Speaker 1: stood out and I have been surprised, not that he's
Speaker 1: got the physicality, not that he can win jump balls.
Speaker 1: He's open a lot. He looks to me like a
Speaker 1: smoother route runner, especially for his size. Then I certainly
Speaker 1: expected what was your take on him coming out? But
Speaker 1: you know, head into his final season at Texas, he
Speaker 1: was expected to be a big time prospect. For whatever reason,
Speaker 1: didn't generate the numbers, and then they had a guy
Speaker 1: Devon during durna By who kind of took over. But
Speaker 1: I'll say this about Colin Johnson. It's hard to find
Speaker 1: guys at his six four plus that can sink their hips,
Speaker 1: that can get in and out of rolse. And he
Speaker 1: can catch the ball in between the numbers, and that
Speaker 1: is critical because sometimes you see those big guys that
Speaker 1: want to win, they don't like going inside where's noisy.
Speaker 1: His ability to do that could make him a guy
Speaker 1: that could make probably become an ideal number to receive
Speaker 1: eiver to a guy like a DJ Chark, And that's
Speaker 1: saying something considering where they were able to get him,
Speaker 1: obviously though with an undrafted player, and he's gotta contribute
Speaker 1: on special teams, though Bucky to really make the full
Speaker 1: impact in his rookie season, he absolutely does. He has
Speaker 1: to find a way and and it's tough sometimes when
Speaker 1: you're that says, he is going to have to be
Speaker 1: a guy that shows more toughness than what was required
Speaker 1: during his college day. So he's gonna have to come
Speaker 1: down and cover kickoffs. He's gonna have to find a
Speaker 1: way to be on the punt and punt return team.
Speaker 1: But if he can exhibit enough toughness to give himself
Speaker 1: a chance to get a jersey each and every week. Look,
Speaker 1: there's a war of attrition. If he gets on the
Speaker 1: field as a true wide receiver, then he can shine
Speaker 1: and really show people what he can do. Looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing it. It's been fun to watch and training
Speaker 1: camp and then the scrimmage on Saturday. Really shine in
Speaker 1: that exhibition at t I A. A. Bank Field. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's wrap up today as we look around the National
Speaker 1: Football League, as we always do, we have a weekly
Speaker 1: Joe Judge segment. But everybody's been on him, including us
Speaker 1: on this show, about some of the decisions that have
Speaker 1: been made there and making players and sometimes coaches run
Speaker 1: laps at practice. Can you imagine some of the coaches
Speaker 1: running laps at practice, the idea of letting the quarterback
Speaker 1: get his pads popped a little and practice we got
Speaker 1: on that. I got on him about that last week. Well,
Speaker 1: this week, everybody loves him, Bucky, because apparently the team
Speaker 1: circle around him after practice of a fumble drill and
Speaker 1: spraying water and the mud and watched him sliding the
Speaker 1: mud puddle and and cheered and and they love him
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. In New York. It's funny how
Speaker 1: quick things can turn. Yeah, things can turn very very quickly.
Speaker 1: But I will give him credit because the players have
Speaker 1: been universal in their support of him. It also helped.
Speaker 1: He has a very young team, but he has tried
Speaker 1: to ingratiate himself with the players by not only being
Speaker 1: a stern disciplinary but also trying to get that with them,
Speaker 1: cracking jokes being a part of it. This participation in
Speaker 1: the phone bo drill was another way that he's been
Speaker 1: able to connect with the team. At some point go
Speaker 1: they would have to win games. We'll see if he's
Speaker 1: able to do that though. Yeah, John, that's that's where
Speaker 1: the rubber hits the row to win and lost columns.
Speaker 1: That's how that works. Well, it is and I don't
Speaker 1: know Joe Judge, but if if he's being true to himself,
Speaker 1: then you can get away with the things he does.
Speaker 1: Meaning if if you can be true to yourself, the
Speaker 1: discipline some of the wacky stuff, and yet still reach
Speaker 1: the players and show them that you're genuine. You know,
Speaker 1: I always thought that worked for Coughlin to a degree
Speaker 1: because Kauflin was who he was when he was here.
Speaker 1: A lot of players didn't like it, but overall you
Speaker 1: also knew that when you cut through it, he wasn't
Speaker 1: being a phony. So it sounds like this is who
Speaker 1: Joe Judge is, uh, And if if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then that'll work. It usually doesn't work if players sense
Speaker 1: you're being phony. That's who Tom was when he was here,
Speaker 1: and then when he was here again, he was still
Speaker 1: the same guy. We've Leonard for that of course, went
Speaker 1: unclaimed on waivers. So what do you think are the
Speaker 1: leading teams to maybe signed Leonard Bucky? You know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. I think obviously a team that wants
Speaker 1: to play a downhill, smash mouth style would look to
Speaker 1: for Nette. I would say, keep our eyes on the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the reason why is because they
Speaker 1: need to run the football to steal lighten some of
Speaker 1: the load on Tom Brady. They haven't had a big
Speaker 1: time running back. I know they have Shady McCoy and
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones, but Lennard Fernett is a downhill runner who
Speaker 1: would fit in certain packages down with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and John there's not a lot of you know, straightforward,
Speaker 1: downhill I formation offenses in the NFL these days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not. And you know, you wonder if this dynamic
Speaker 1: would play out different had there been preseason games, because
Speaker 1: you haven't had a lot of teams with injured players
Speaker 1: in your running backs. There hasn't been a lot of
Speaker 1: attrition at the position, so you sort of wonder if
Speaker 1: maybe this could play out after Week one. He's going
Speaker 1: to get a chance somewhere, But does he sort of
Speaker 1: wait for the right opportunity and does that opportunity to
Speaker 1: come when somebody gets injured around the league. That wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me. We'll see if it plays out that one.
Speaker 1: We moved to the Big Easy and Alvin Kamara is
Speaker 1: in the news. There was not practicing, there were rumors
Speaker 1: that he was on the training block by the Saints,
Speaker 1: and he's due to make over a little over two
Speaker 1: million dollars this year in the final year of his
Speaker 1: rookie deal. But he refuted and he claims with a
Speaker 1: trade request or a holdout threat. Bucky. The Saints have
Speaker 1: to figure this one out, right. They can't let him
Speaker 1: walk away. Oh. Absolutely, he is the best and most
Speaker 1: valuable offensive player. And I'm saying that knowing that Michael
Speaker 1: Thompson was the offensive player of the year. But what
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara does is he's a mismatch nightmare. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that can do it in the running game. He
Speaker 1: can split outside and be a dumb the past Chester.
Speaker 1: They have to figure it out. I do believe they
Speaker 1: will figure it out. But it's tough because how do
Speaker 1: you categorize them? Is your running back? Is your playmaker? CHRISI?
Speaker 1: McCaffrey got sixty million? How close are you willing to
Speaker 1: go if you to do all the Saints to put
Speaker 1: Al mccamarr in that category. Well, John, remember we had
Speaker 1: a guy that you couldn't really had. You remember Cordell
Speaker 1: back in the old days, was slash right, Well, we
Speaker 1: had the offensive weapon and Denard Robinson, who's now an
Speaker 1: offensive assistant here, John, that might be appropriate for Kamara
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I don't know if that's the same thing,
Speaker 1: no offense. I get your point, you know, fixteen million.
Speaker 1: When I heard that was the demand, my first thought was, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's McCaffrey money. I don't know if I put
Speaker 1: Tamara that level, he's super valuable to me. This feels
Speaker 1: a little bit like the unique situation where the Saints
Speaker 1: want to sign him, but can they afford can they
Speaker 1: get him to that level? Boy, it's a tough, especially
Speaker 1: when you got Breese and you got and you had
Speaker 1: the receiver. Uh, it smells like this one could go
Speaker 1: a while. We'll see. We'll see a couple of starting
Speaker 1: quarterbacks named today in the league. To Rod Taylor named
Speaker 1: the starter in l A for the Chargers, first starting
Speaker 1: opportunity for him since Baker Mayfield took him out in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: and then Dwayne Haskins name the starter for the Washington
Speaker 1: football team today. Bucky and those the right moves for each, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's are the right moves for both. I
Speaker 1: think Tyrod Taylor was the guy that Anthony wanted he
Speaker 1: wants better ball security at the quarterback position. Dwayne Haskins
Speaker 1: was a guy that was coming on, played really well
Speaker 1: the last two or three games, and so despite the noise,
Speaker 1: he responded really well to Ron Riveria's requests for him
Speaker 1: to up to any when it came to his work ethic.
Speaker 1: I think he earned the job, and I think everyone
Speaker 1: around Washington certainly wanted to see that happen. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: big names there today, and the Chiefs received their championship
Speaker 1: rings yesterday, and guys, I'll tell you it just it
Speaker 1: really feels like this is the start of something long
Speaker 1: term in Kansas City. Obviously they've signed the quarterback long term.
Speaker 1: They've already got a ring on their finger. Now, Uh, John,
Speaker 1: this one could go a while in Kansas City. It
Speaker 1: feels like, well, because you got the quarterback, all the
Speaker 1: other stuff they're doing is great, but you've got to
Speaker 1: what is four and you've locked him up for a
Speaker 1: long term. You can't imagine. I never go anywhere else
Speaker 1: Brady did. But yeah, for the bulk of his career,
Speaker 1: he's going to be there. That's the whole key. He
Speaker 1: looks incredibly special, and when you've got that, you lock
Speaker 1: it up and you've got a chance to win a lot. So,
Speaker 1: but don't forget I think Bucky may have said this,
Speaker 1: but I forget yo. Last year in the postseason, they
Speaker 1: were a late touchdown away from not winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The Texans had him on the roads. Yeah, they've still
Speaker 1: got to earn it. And this is not going to
Speaker 1: be a Kansas City walk away this year. Put it
Speaker 1: that way. That's my prediction. Won't be a walk away.
Speaker 1: And I'll take the field against the see I'll take
Speaker 1: the other thirty one. Oh wow, look at John Thoas
Speaker 1: are going bold before we get to the prediction by
Speaker 1: I like it though. I like it because it would
Speaker 1: be challenging. The one thing that bows well for that
Speaker 1: she's being relevant contenders. They not only signed Pat Mahomes
Speaker 1: long term, they had a six year extension for Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: It is important for those two to be linked together.
Speaker 1: They are a spectacular duo. That is why the Cancer
Speaker 1: Decas will be a team that we always have to
Speaker 1: talk about being a contender. And next week we will
Speaker 1: have are maybe some bold predictions for the NFL season
Speaker 1: because we'll be a day away from the first game
Speaker 1: in the NFL, a week from today when we reconvene here.
Speaker 1: John well done is always appreciate it, Bucky, great to
Speaker 1: see you too. Man always hey Man, thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Guys love it. We'll be back next week. Bold predictions
Speaker 1: coming up. Our thanks to John Osier, Bucky Brooks, our
Speaker 1: entire crew. I'm J P. Shadrick. We'll catch you next time.
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