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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September two. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by the Fields Auto Group. Hey, now,

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Speaker 1: a guy who believes there's a fine line between tanking

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Speaker 1: and being tanked. J. P. Shad Rick of fine, very

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Speaker 1: fine line, and welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour. Appropriate enough. JP. Shattrick.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to Bucky Brooks and John Oser coming up.

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Speaker 1: We've got a busy program for you today. It's the

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Speaker 1: reaction after the fact of Inakwa and for that being

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Speaker 1: out of here, the departures, and then what's next at

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Speaker 1: those positions, the running back position and a defensive end.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that today. It has not been a

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Speaker 1: great history of first round picks returning to the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: for second contracts. Will break that down and maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit of what it takes to get out of

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Speaker 1: that rut moving forward here with all the changes, is

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Speaker 1: there added pressure on Gardner Minshew the second to carry

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Speaker 1: this offense? And we'll go around the National Football League

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Speaker 1: and our weekly Joe Judge Report as well. John Osan

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Speaker 1: is across town here in Jacksonville. What's up, Johnny? How

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Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm great j P. I am great,

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Speaker 1: and Bucky books Brooks is across the country in California.

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Speaker 1: How was the view of things this week in l

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Speaker 1: a of the Jaguars' It's a little bit interesting, but

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Speaker 1: because it's always sunny out here, I'm gonna be very optimistic.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look for the silver lining and all of

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Speaker 1: these things. I like the glass half fool. That's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's good. We're gonna need it today. Let's get into

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Speaker 1: what has happened here. Of course, we start off with

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Speaker 1: the departures, both in Gockway and for Net. And John,

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Speaker 1: I think you wrote about this the other day and

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Speaker 1: I'm interested your take on the US the Young Quay departure.

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Speaker 1: You kind of had an idea could come at some point,

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Speaker 1: right because it has been talked about a possible trade,

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Speaker 1: and then it finally came through and he got sent

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Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Vikings. The four net deal was a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a surprise, a lot of a surprise,

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Speaker 1: and that Monday morning when that email came through, the

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Speaker 1: question I have for you, John, is which departure will

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Speaker 1: hurt the Jags the most? Which departure can they overcome easiest?

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Speaker 1: The in gotuait one or the for Net one John Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think this was I think it's far easier

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Speaker 1: to overcome the loss of a running back, any running back,

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Speaker 1: because unless you're a special back Ezekiel Elliott, maybe Kamara,

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Speaker 1: a guy like that, a lot of what you do

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Speaker 1: in this day and age in the NFL is dependent

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Speaker 1: on what's around you. I don't know that four net

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Speaker 1: had really created all that much on his own since

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Speaker 1: he's been here. He's had production, But how much of

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Speaker 1: it is production that that another back wouldn't have gotten.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's that high to me and got

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Speaker 1: Way when you can create turnovers off the edge, when

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Speaker 1: you can create pressure on the quarterback on your own,

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Speaker 1: which he can usually do. He's had help with doubles

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Speaker 1: on the other side, but you can't argue that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't create havoc. It's far harder to create pass rush

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Speaker 1: the running back position or production from the running back position.

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Speaker 1: Can you agree with that? Yeah? I actually I do

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Speaker 1: got Way and what he's been able to do thirty

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Speaker 1: John talked about the turnovers, turnovers everything in this game

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Even though I like Leonard F. Fornett,

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Speaker 1: and I think Leonard for Nette has a place in

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Speaker 1: I do believe the Jaguars can certainly replace his production,

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Speaker 1: either by committee or with another guys stepping up. I

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Speaker 1: think the loss of Jannick and got Way is far

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Speaker 1: more impactful in terms of the way that he is

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Speaker 1: these disruptive plays which are essentially to being able to

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Speaker 1: win at high level. Yeah, and and I guess it's

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Speaker 1: more difficult. I don't know, maybe this is not right,

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Speaker 1: but Bucky, I'll ask you, it's more difficult to develop

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Speaker 1: an elite pass rusher in this league and maintain it,

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Speaker 1: with pass rushers. That is a craftsman position, a position

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Speaker 1: makes it very very hard to replace that, Yeah, really

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Speaker 1: difficult indeed. And then the Jags though have have tried

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Speaker 1: the first round. Of course, Caleb and Chase on this year.

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Speaker 1: Will hear from Todd Wash as well on the departure

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Speaker 1: of Unique and got Way. You know, let's let's touch

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Speaker 1: a little more on this for net situation here. And

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Speaker 1: he's a free agent cleared waivers, so he's out there

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Speaker 1: and open in the open market now. Um, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it was an interesting comparison Joe Mixon the Bengals the

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting here between these two. As you see in

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Speaker 1: happened for Net has been waived as now a free agent.

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Speaker 1: Joe Mixon just got forty eight million over four years

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Speaker 1: extension and Bucky. It depends on the place, the time,

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Speaker 1: Leonard Frenette comes into the league as the fourth overall pick,

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Speaker 1: the expectations through the roof. You're expected to be a

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Speaker 1: Leonard Fernette, maybe he's not the right kind of guy

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Speaker 1: as well, you know, it's just not in the plans.

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Speaker 1: At least they have guys that can do things, not

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Speaker 1: what Leonard couldn't do. It's what the other guys around

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Speaker 1: him could do. That's the way they explained it to us. John,

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Speaker 1: him before training camp? That's what everybody's asking. Well, until

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Speaker 1: training camp, he hadn't been on the field in Jay

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Speaker 1: over two or three years. They don't think he's an

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Speaker 1: elite back. He's not to make you miss guy. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he can fit in a system, but Joe Mixon sort

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Speaker 1: That's not really what Leonard is. It's what's valued in

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Speaker 1: and that continues a troubling trend, not just recently for

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Speaker 1: So that tells you why there were some different runs

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Speaker 1: successive years, it makes it hard to build a competitive team.

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Speaker 1: Going all the way back. You talked about Justin Blackman

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Speaker 1: stay in rebuilding mode. That is hard. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: rebuild and be a competitor. They have to do a

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Speaker 1: better job of getting it right in the first round. Yeah, John,

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Speaker 1: ups to whatever that's gonna be the biggest thing for

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Speaker 1: the young guys. Can you pick up the blitz and

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Speaker 1: protect Minshoo. He's got to show it's his team. Now

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Speaker 1: the training wheels are off, all that stuff. He's got

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Speaker 1: a chance to show it's his team. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: realistically if there's more pressure, because I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you've come into a situation with more pressure than Minshew. Realistically,

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Speaker 1: this is his chance to show he's an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If he leads this franchise a six seven wins, he's

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Speaker 1: the guy. If he doesn't, then realistically he's probably a

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Speaker 1: backup and and it's gonna be hard to get himself

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Speaker 1: out of that reputation. So does it increase the pressure. No,

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Speaker 1: because he's got a world of pressure on him. Fortunately,

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Speaker 1: j P. I think he's the guy who's throws. We'll

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Speaker 1: get back with the John in just a moment. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, it's a kind of hypothetical question now, Bucky.

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Speaker 1: But you know, because we're before the season, but where

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Speaker 1: we can have away from the first game of the year,

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Speaker 1: you know, and the question is, you know, what's it

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Speaker 1: going to take for him to be the ranchise guy

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Speaker 1: moving ahead? So is it six seven, eight wins whatever

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Speaker 1: that is. If it's not that, are there changes in

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Speaker 1: the decision makers and do they go a different route

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Speaker 1: and try to go for the big star in the

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Speaker 1: draft next year. It's all hypothetical now, but it kind

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Speaker 1: of reminds you of a few years back. We went

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Speaker 1: through the first round draft picks a minute ago. Like

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Speaker 1: Mortals was one of those. They resigned him, they doubled

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Speaker 1: down on that. It didn't work out. So another big

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Speaker 1: decision is looming down the line here. There were a

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Speaker 1: little earlier for that, but it is coming up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: another decisions looming down the line, and look, we gotta

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Speaker 1: we have to address the elephant in the room. One

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Speaker 1: quarterback class. Uh, draft class is outstanding. There's some notable

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Speaker 1: names there. There's some underclassmen that people are excited about,

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields and Trey Lance and so

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Speaker 1: Garden miss you not only has to compete against what

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Speaker 1: is in front of him on the field, but he

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Speaker 1: has to be more impressive than what any of those

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Speaker 1: guys displayed during their final seasons in college. And so

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Speaker 1: that is tough. And when you also have the scars

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Speaker 1: of not moving on from Blake Bortles and watching Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes going to be a star and win a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson emerging as a star. It impacts your ability

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Speaker 1: to make decisions. So look, Gardener, miss you, we we

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Speaker 1: talked about these analogies. He's Donna Kyote. He is fighting

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Speaker 1: windmills this year, not only on the field but in

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Speaker 1: the draft because he has to be spectacular to prevent

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Speaker 1: the decision makers from not dipping their toe into that

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Speaker 1: quarterback market. That is you're you're bringing out the uh,

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Speaker 1: the big guns today. I like it. Well, what would

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Speaker 1: you compare this? Uh? I know it's early, we haven't

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Speaker 1: played the last year before next year's draft, but as

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Speaker 1: it stands right now, where would you rank the quarterback

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Speaker 1: class in next year's draft. I know it's early, they

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Speaker 1: haven't played the season yet, but as it sits tonight,

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Speaker 1: it's spectacular. I mean it's as good as that class

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Speaker 1: that had Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. You have three

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Speaker 1: guys at the top of the board that are legitimate, uh,

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Speaker 1: bona fide playmakers. Trevor Lawrence justin fields, trade lance and

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Speaker 1: whatever order. You like that because I know there's been

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Speaker 1: an anointing of Trevor Lawrence, but I'm gonna telling you

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Speaker 1: there's some people that are not quite certain that he

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Speaker 1: is the universal choice to be number one. And so

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Speaker 1: in a wide open race on the collegiate level, you

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Speaker 1: got three options were guys that can come in and

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Speaker 1: be franchise quarterbacks. Garden. Misshew has to prove or show

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Speaker 1: that he is better than what could be behind during

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Speaker 1: number one next year on draft deck, John Os, you're

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Speaker 1: back with us now, Well, it's a lot to take in,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you gotta go win games to begin with,

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Speaker 1: and then the performance has to be, according to Buckey,

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Speaker 1: better than what those guys could bring to That's that's

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Speaker 1: a lot to do for Gardner in year two, John Well,

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Speaker 1: it either has to be that or maybe a playoff

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Speaker 1: the old analogy. You know, I don't have to outrun

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Speaker 1: the bear. I just have to outrun the guy that

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Speaker 1: I'm running from the bear with. You know, um, I

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Speaker 1: think the worry that you have isn't the Gardner Minshew

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Speaker 1: leads him to eight wins or nine wins. The war

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Speaker 1: is is a Jaguars fan. You have his He's good

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Speaker 1: enough to lead you to five, And does that put

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Speaker 1: you at picking five when the top three guys go

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Speaker 1: off the board. Because if there's three, here's three teams

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Speaker 1: who want quarterbacks up there, They're not going to trade

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Speaker 1: you with you, no matter what you offer. So you

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Speaker 1: don't want him to be just good enough to take

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Speaker 1: you out of that equation and you know we're away

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Speaker 1: at it. Maybe he'll be the guy. I hope he is,

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Speaker 1: but that would be the concern is is he just

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Speaker 1: good enough to not let you be in that mix? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I mean he has the blade border situation all over again,

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Speaker 1: and you have to dig down and you have to

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Speaker 1: be able to put your projection glass is on and

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Speaker 1: see what is gonna miss you going to be in

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Speaker 1: five years? Will We'll be making a franchise killing mistake

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Speaker 1: by not dipping out in that quarterback class by hanging

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Speaker 1: with Gordon Minshew, a six brown pick. A lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure on him because he's going to have to play

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Speaker 1: exceedingly well for the team builders to say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna bypass what we could get at quarterback and

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Speaker 1: continue to build a team around him. Alright, so let's

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Speaker 1: play some football games, hopefully and win some football games

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Speaker 1: before we get to that conversation and Buckey will have

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Speaker 1: that conversation again. I think when it is time to

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Speaker 1: have that conversation down the line. Let's come back in

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour in Goquay. Unique and got Way defensive

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Speaker 1: a conditional fifth round pick in two and today for

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Speaker 1: the first time, we heard from defensive coordinator Todd Wash

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Speaker 1: on Unique and got Way and his relationship with nine One.

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Speaker 1: The biggest thing is, you know, I think it worked

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Speaker 1: out forable sides. Obviously, I have a strong feelings for

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Speaker 1: Yahn and uh, you know, having him for three or

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Speaker 1: four years and that kind of stuff. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I wish him nothing but the best, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: both the organization and Yahn. We all have to move on.

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Speaker 1: John's a very intelligent football player. We were gonna do

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Speaker 1: some things schematically obviously, just to move him around, get

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Speaker 1: him on space, get him in edges Um. There wasn't

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Speaker 1: really a, like you said, a situation where we could

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Speaker 1: really get to that, you know. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: if we have players that fit that role, we're able to,

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Speaker 1: you know, get him in that role that best fits

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Speaker 1: their skill set. That's Todd washed defensive coordinator today and

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Speaker 1: he's discussing what they could have done within Gockway but

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Speaker 1: just maybe didn't have the time to do last year.

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Speaker 1: And Gockway held out going in miss summer training camp.

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Speaker 1: So they those are the plans that that Todd was

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Speaker 1: different things, moving them around, standing them up maybe a

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Speaker 1: to that. I want to ask you, though, Bucky, was

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Speaker 1: this a good deal? Is there a winner in this deal?

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Speaker 1: What the Jags getta not in return? Or is this

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Speaker 1: a fair deal? I mean, it's tough to say because

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Speaker 1: we know what Yannick and Gockway is. He's a Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl player. He's a guy who has the fourth most

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Speaker 1: forced bumbles in the league's sixteen And so the only

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Speaker 1: way you can say that this is a win for

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars is if what they get back in players

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Speaker 1: gives them more than that. But I'll say this, a

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Speaker 1: lot of it depends on and Josh Allen erased what

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Speaker 1: Yannick and Gockway has done. Meaning this, Josh Allen played

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Speaker 1: a high enough level where we're singing his praises as

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Speaker 1: And then can caleban Chason. Can he come in and

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Speaker 1: stuff that Todd wash was reserving for John he can

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Speaker 1: to the expectations, the Jaguars defense may not skip a

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Speaker 1: beat without Janick and Gokua. Yeah, John, it feels that way.

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Speaker 1: You know, they drafted Josh and they were together a year.

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Speaker 1: He and unique and now John's gone, here's Chason to

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Speaker 1: come in to fill those shoes. That's a pretty natural progression,

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Speaker 1: of a tough spot for the Jags in that fense.

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Speaker 1: Of Yes, he wanted to pay Unique, but as we've

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Speaker 1: on your team when Clay's Campbell was here. Hard to

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Speaker 1: pay him now because he's not the best defensive end

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Speaker 1: on your team with Josh Allen here. So that I'm

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Speaker 1: can replace uniques production. He's gonna be a better run

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Speaker 1: player than Unique could have been. The question is can

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Speaker 1: Chase sign get to a point or he replaces what

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Speaker 1: the second defensive end, second edge rusher, which was gonna

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Speaker 1: be Unique. Can Chason get to half of that this year?

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Speaker 1: I think he'll get above it at some point. He's

644
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Speaker 1: supposed to be a first round pick. Can he get

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Speaker 1: to replacing six sacks? Maybe a couple of bumbles. I

646
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Speaker 1: don't think you're going to replace Unique production what would

647
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Speaker 1: have been his production this year. He's too good. It

648
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Speaker 1: would be insulting to him to say that you're going

649
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Speaker 1: to be better without him. Curious to see how he

650
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: fits in in Minnesota as well. We'll find out firsthand

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Speaker 1: week thirteen, by the way that the Jags are at

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Speaker 1: the Vikings, and I would bet that Unique will be

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Speaker 1: sounding the galler horn himself the opening kickoff in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: UM today, Todd wash Buck he was asked about Caleb

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Speaker 1: and chasn and where he would be in this defense,

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Speaker 1: and I think the question was about would you standing up,

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Speaker 1: would you play him at lineback or some and and

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Speaker 1: Todd today said, no, We're gonna keep even at defensive line,

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Speaker 1: defensive end. And but he's strong enough and big enough

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Speaker 1: that he can play that that the other end, you know,

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Speaker 1: which is I think a little bit of maybe not

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Speaker 1: a surprise, but seeing it on the practice field, finally

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Speaker 1: they've realized they can do a little more with Chason

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Speaker 1: than just on the rush end side of Thanks Bucky. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: he's a talented player. He's he's very athletic, he's dynamic,

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Speaker 1: he's explosive. Um he has natural wiggle ability due to

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Speaker 1: his basketball background in high school. And I believe what

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Speaker 1: you have is he can matures. You have two guys

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Speaker 1: that are very similar in Josh Allen and Jason. Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen was a more refined rusher coming out of Kentucky,

671
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Speaker 1: but Chasan has explosive athletic traits and if they can

672
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Speaker 1: develop those traits on the field, you now have two

673
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Speaker 1: guys who can be chameleons on the edge and whether

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Speaker 1: you want to stand them off or put them down

675
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: or do all kinds of things, but you put them

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Speaker 1: on the same side. Did Look, it is available there

677
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Speaker 1: the creativity and whatever tid Wasah wants to do, but

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Speaker 1: it will be governed by what Jason is able to

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Speaker 1: show very early in the year. But yeah, I think

680
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: there's plenty of room for the Jaguars to get more

681
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: creative on defense with these young ed Russia's stepping into

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Speaker 1: the line up. And John, we've talked about this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Really that's been the talking point around JAG's Twitter and

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Speaker 1: the fan base and all that is all they should

685
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Speaker 1: play some three four and mix some of that stuff in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Todd wash is not going there. Are you

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Speaker 1: saying it's the four three? Look, they'll have some principles.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to explain this yet again, John, what

689
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Speaker 1: this is going to be? Well, it's gonna be the hybrid.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be the same scheme, but it certainly sounds

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Speaker 1: like they're going to have more of an ability to

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Speaker 1: stand the edge guys up in passing situations. And I

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Speaker 1: haven't had to explain this in a while, so my

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Speaker 1: touch points are kind of gone. But that's sort of

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Speaker 1: what it's gonna be. They don't believe they're a true

696
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: three four scheme because they don't leave they have a

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Speaker 1: true nose, and then the ends who really play that way.

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Speaker 1: But this has been made such a big deal of

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Speaker 1: and it's really not as video as people make it

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Speaker 1: because you're only in that base package for the plays anyway,

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Speaker 1: in your pass rush, pass defense schemes, I think you

702
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Speaker 1: will see them get a chance to play more of

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Speaker 1: their true edge rushers in that scheme. With this, I'd

704
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Speaker 1: explain it very well. Maybe Bucky the football guy can

705
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Speaker 1: do better, but that's the spirit of it. Basically, it's

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Speaker 1: a conversation we always have that I don't think means

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Speaker 1: as much in reality as it does on Twitter. John,

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Speaker 1: You're right, it really doesn't. Most teams are in the

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Speaker 1: nickel or sub packages seventy at a time, So maybe

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00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: on first down you have to determine are your four

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Speaker 1: three or a three or four team, But it really

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Speaker 1: depends on the other team because the other team is

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Speaker 1: playing eleven person one act once at in three war

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Speaker 1: receivers your nickel packages on the field. I think the

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Speaker 1: important thing that you want to think about if you're

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Speaker 1: tied wash, how can I get my best eleving on

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Speaker 1: the field. How can I get my best group of

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Speaker 1: pass rushers on the field. At the same time, if

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Speaker 1: Chasing is more comfortable standing up, the stand up, if

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen is more comfortable standing up, stand up or

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Speaker 1: put your hand down, un enabled these guys to be

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Speaker 1: at their best. That's really what it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: How you put the x is on the board or

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Speaker 1: whatever doesn't matter. Just get the right guys in those

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Speaker 1: xbox and then go hunt the quarterback. I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: j P. If they don't stop the run, you can

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Speaker 1: play a seven two and it doesn't map. That's the

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Speaker 1: whole They gotta stop starts in order to let those

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Speaker 1: They have to stop the run no matter what scheme

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Speaker 1: they play. Yeah, that was I certainly an issue for

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Speaker 1: this defense. Last, You're to say the least a handful

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Speaker 1: That's been the big talking point this offseason as well

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Speaker 1: that's always fun to listen. D J. Chark one of

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Speaker 1: the really really good young receivers in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy our j P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 1: and John Osier. I have a question for oh John,

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Speaker 1: please go ahead. Yes, if we had Mike Bucky up

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Speaker 1: back in ninety six when he was one on one

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Speaker 1: with Keenan, what would it have sounded like? It would

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Speaker 1: have sounded um one. That probably would have been a

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Speaker 1: bunch of explainers, and then it would have been holding

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Speaker 1: off for dear life, and you would have heard Keenan

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Speaker 1: talking about queer holding, quick, grabbing quick klutchen And I'm

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Speaker 1: just like Keena. The Nor officials out here, we're just

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Speaker 1: out here playing ball. The Nor officials, You've heard a

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Speaker 1: lot of that, a lot of that conversation I like it.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying Keenan um talked a bit or complained

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Speaker 1: of it about whole grabbing. He complained a lot. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, this, this little cricket pinky is due to

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Speaker 1: Keenan because inadvertently got my finger caught up in his

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Speaker 1: jersey and he pulled away and I hurt my little pinky. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope, well, now you learned your lesson. I guess

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Speaker 1: that's what he told me. That's what you gets what held.

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Speaker 1: It's hilarious. Of course. Keendan now the wide receivers coach

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Speaker 1: from the Jacksonville Jaguars, and you know, you can see

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Speaker 1: his impact. I think with that mindset and the way

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Speaker 1: he came up a late round draft pick and worked

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Speaker 1: his way through the league for a long career here Bucky,

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Speaker 1: I mean, his impact with these young receivers is pretty

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Speaker 1: obvious to see, including the guy we just saw on

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Speaker 1: the screen and DJ Chart. I love Keena mccardo not

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Speaker 1: only as a person, but I love him as a teacher.

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Speaker 1: And I think what we've seen consistently down in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers get better under his tutor. D J.

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Speaker 1: Chark is a terrific example He is someone that was

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Speaker 1: drafted and I viewed him as a vertical stretch guy,

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Speaker 1: but he is emerged and evolved to being a legitimate

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Speaker 1: number one receiver. The things that you've been able to

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Speaker 1: see him do, winning the fifty fifty balls, still being

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Speaker 1: able to guy to to take the top off the

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Speaker 1: defense while being that number one. It's fantastic. But it's

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Speaker 1: the other guys, Chris Connley being able to make plays

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Speaker 1: as a dirty work receiver, Ken and Cole being able

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Speaker 1: to do things as a slot receiver. The work that

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Speaker 1: he is going to do with Laviska channel, we haven't

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Speaker 1: been able to see it, but I know that he

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Speaker 1: is going to make him a terrific catch and run specialists.

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Speaker 1: This wide receiver corps would be much better than advertised

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Speaker 1: and it could be a reason why Gardier Mention plays

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Speaker 1: better than many people expect. John every receiver. We talked

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Speaker 1: to Raves about Keenan's teaching ability. Yeah, and I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what's intriguing about this wide receiver for and I

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Speaker 1: Bucky Allergy speak to this more than me. How On

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Speaker 1: Johnson has looked as good or better than jal Not

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Speaker 1: that Nald hasn't looked good at times, Colin Johnson's really

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Speaker 1: stood out and I have been surprised, not that he's

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Speaker 1: got the physicality, not that he can win jump balls.

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Speaker 1: He's open a lot. He looks to me like a

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Speaker 1: smoother route runner, especially for his size. Then I certainly

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Speaker 1: expected what was your take on him coming out? But

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Speaker 1: you know, head into his final season at Texas, he

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Speaker 1: was expected to be a big time prospect. For whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: didn't generate the numbers, and then they had a guy

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Speaker 1: Devon during durna By who kind of took over. But

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Speaker 1: I'll say this about Colin Johnson. It's hard to find

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Speaker 1: guys at his six four plus that can sink their hips,

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Speaker 1: that can get in and out of rolse. And he

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Speaker 1: can catch the ball in between the numbers, and that

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Speaker 1: is critical because sometimes you see those big guys that

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Speaker 1: want to win, they don't like going inside where's noisy.

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Speaker 1: His ability to do that could make him a guy

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Speaker 1: that could make probably become an ideal number to receive

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Speaker 1: eiver to a guy like a DJ Chark, And that's

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Speaker 1: saying something considering where they were able to get him,

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Speaker 1: obviously though with an undrafted player, and he's gotta contribute

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Speaker 1: on special teams, though Bucky to really make the full

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00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: impact in his rookie season, he absolutely does. He has

850
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: to find a way and and it's tough sometimes when

851
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: you're that says, he is going to have to be

852
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: a guy that shows more toughness than what was required

853
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: during his college day. So he's gonna have to come

854
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: down and cover kickoffs. He's gonna have to find a

855
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: way to be on the punt and punt return team.

856
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: But if he can exhibit enough toughness to give himself

857
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: a chance to get a jersey each and every week. Look,

858
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: there's a war of attrition. If he gets on the

859
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: field as a true wide receiver, then he can shine

860
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: and really show people what he can do. Looking forward

861
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: to seeing it. It's been fun to watch and training

862
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: camp and then the scrimmage on Saturday. Really shine in

863
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: that exhibition at t I A. A. Bank Field. Uh,

864
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: let's wrap up today as we look around the National

865
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: Football League, as we always do, we have a weekly

866
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: Joe Judge segment. But everybody's been on him, including us

867
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: on this show, about some of the decisions that have

868
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: been made there and making players and sometimes coaches run

869
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: laps at practice. Can you imagine some of the coaches

870
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: running laps at practice, the idea of letting the quarterback

871
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: get his pads popped a little and practice we got

872
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: on that. I got on him about that last week. Well,

873
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: this week, everybody loves him, Bucky, because apparently the team

874
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: circle around him after practice of a fumble drill and

875
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: spraying water and the mud and watched him sliding the

876
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: mud puddle and and cheered and and they love him

877
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. In New York. It's funny how

878
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: quick things can turn. Yeah, things can turn very very quickly.

879
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: But I will give him credit because the players have

880
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: been universal in their support of him. It also helped.

881
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: He has a very young team, but he has tried

882
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: to ingratiate himself with the players by not only being

883
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: a stern disciplinary but also trying to get that with them,

884
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: cracking jokes being a part of it. This participation in

885
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: the phone bo drill was another way that he's been

886
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: able to connect with the team. At some point go

887
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: they would have to win games. We'll see if he's

888
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 1: able to do that though. Yeah, John, that's that's where

889
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: the rubber hits the row to win and lost columns.

890
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: That's how that works. Well, it is and I don't

891
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: know Joe Judge, but if if he's being true to himself,

892
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: then you can get away with the things he does.

893
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: Meaning if if you can be true to yourself, the

894
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: discipline some of the wacky stuff, and yet still reach

895
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: the players and show them that you're genuine. You know,

896
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: I always thought that worked for Coughlin to a degree

897
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: because Kauflin was who he was when he was here.

898
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: A lot of players didn't like it, but overall you

899
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: also knew that when you cut through it, he wasn't

900
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: being a phony. So it sounds like this is who

901
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: Joe Judge is, uh, And if if that's the case,

902
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: then that'll work. It usually doesn't work if players sense

903
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: you're being phony. That's who Tom was when he was here,

904
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: and then when he was here again, he was still

905
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: the same guy. We've Leonard for that of course, went

906
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: unclaimed on waivers. So what do you think are the

907
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: leading teams to maybe signed Leonard Bucky? You know it's

908
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. I think obviously a team that wants

909
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: to play a downhill, smash mouth style would look to

910
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: for Nette. I would say, keep our eyes on the

911
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the reason why is because they

912
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: need to run the football to steal lighten some of

913
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: the load on Tom Brady. They haven't had a big

914
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: time running back. I know they have Shady McCoy and

915
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones, but Lennard Fernett is a downhill runner who

916
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: would fit in certain packages down with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yeah,

917
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: and John there's not a lot of you know, straightforward,

918
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: downhill I formation offenses in the NFL these days. Yeah,

919
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: there's not. And you know, you wonder if this dynamic

920
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: would play out different had there been preseason games, because

921
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: you haven't had a lot of teams with injured players

922
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: in your running backs. There hasn't been a lot of

923
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: attrition at the position, so you sort of wonder if

924
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: maybe this could play out after Week one. He's going

925
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: to get a chance somewhere, But does he sort of

926
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: wait for the right opportunity and does that opportunity to

927
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: come when somebody gets injured around the league. That wouldn't

928
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: shock me. We'll see if it plays out that one.

929
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: We moved to the Big Easy and Alvin Kamara is

930
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: in the news. There was not practicing, there were rumors

931
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: that he was on the training block by the Saints,

932
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: and he's due to make over a little over two

933
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: million dollars this year in the final year of his

934
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: rookie deal. But he refuted and he claims with a

935
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: trade request or a holdout threat. Bucky. The Saints have

936
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: to figure this one out, right. They can't let him

937
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: walk away. Oh. Absolutely, he is the best and most

938
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: valuable offensive player. And I'm saying that knowing that Michael

939
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: Thompson was the offensive player of the year. But what

940
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara does is he's a mismatch nightmare. He's a

941
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: guy that can do it in the running game. He

942
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: can split outside and be a dumb the past Chester.

943
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: They have to figure it out. I do believe they

944
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: will figure it out. But it's tough because how do

945
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: you categorize them? Is your running back? Is your playmaker? CHRISI?

946
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: McCaffrey got sixty million? How close are you willing to

947
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: go if you to do all the Saints to put

948
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: Al mccamarr in that category. Well, John, remember we had

949
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: a guy that you couldn't really had. You remember Cordell

950
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: back in the old days, was slash right, Well, we

951
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: had the offensive weapon and Denard Robinson, who's now an

952
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: offensive assistant here, John, that might be appropriate for Kamara

953
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I don't know if that's the same thing,

954
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: no offense. I get your point, you know, fixteen million.

955
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: When I heard that was the demand, my first thought was, Wow,

956
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 1: that's that's McCaffrey money. I don't know if I put

957
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: Tamara that level, he's super valuable to me. This feels

958
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: a little bit like the unique situation where the Saints

959
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: want to sign him, but can they afford can they

960
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: get him to that level? Boy, it's a tough, especially

961
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: when you got Breese and you got and you had

962
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: the receiver. Uh, it smells like this one could go

963
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: a while. We'll see. We'll see a couple of starting

964
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: quarterbacks named today in the league. To Rod Taylor named

965
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: the starter in l A for the Chargers, first starting

966
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: opportunity for him since Baker Mayfield took him out in Cleveland,

967
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: and then Dwayne Haskins name the starter for the Washington

968
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: football team today. Bucky and those the right moves for each, Yeah,

969
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: I think there's are the right moves for both. I

970
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: think Tyrod Taylor was the guy that Anthony wanted he

971
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: wants better ball security at the quarterback position. Dwayne Haskins

972
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: was a guy that was coming on, played really well

973
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: the last two or three games, and so despite the noise,

974
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: he responded really well to Ron Riveria's requests for him

975
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: to up to any when it came to his work ethic.

976
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: I think he earned the job, and I think everyone

977
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: around Washington certainly wanted to see that happen. Yeah, some

978
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: big names there today, and the Chiefs received their championship

979
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: rings yesterday, and guys, I'll tell you it just it

980
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: really feels like this is the start of something long

981
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: term in Kansas City. Obviously they've signed the quarterback long term.

982
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: They've already got a ring on their finger. Now, Uh, John,

983
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: this one could go a while in Kansas City. It

984
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: feels like, well, because you got the quarterback, all the

985
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: other stuff they're doing is great, but you've got to

986
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: what is four and you've locked him up for a

987
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: long term. You can't imagine. I never go anywhere else

988
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: Brady did. But yeah, for the bulk of his career,

989
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: he's going to be there. That's the whole key. He

990
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: looks incredibly special, and when you've got that, you lock

991
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: it up and you've got a chance to win a lot. So,

992
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: but don't forget I think Bucky may have said this,

993
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: but I forget yo. Last year in the postseason, they

994
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: were a late touchdown away from not winning the Super Bowl.

995
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: The Texans had him on the roads. Yeah, they've still

996
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: got to earn it. And this is not going to

997
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: be a Kansas City walk away this year. Put it

998
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: that way. That's my prediction. Won't be a walk away.

999
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: And I'll take the field against the see I'll take

1000
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: the other thirty one. Oh wow, look at John Thoas

1001
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: are going bold before we get to the prediction by

1002
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: I like it though. I like it because it would

1003
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: be challenging. The one thing that bows well for that

1004
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: she's being relevant contenders. They not only signed Pat Mahomes

1005
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: long term, they had a six year extension for Andy Reid.

1006
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: It is important for those two to be linked together.

1007
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: They are a spectacular duo. That is why the Cancer

1008
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: Decas will be a team that we always have to

1009
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: talk about being a contender. And next week we will

1010
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: have are maybe some bold predictions for the NFL season

1011
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: because we'll be a day away from the first game

1012
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: in the NFL, a week from today when we reconvene here.

1013
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: John well done is always appreciate it, Bucky, great to

1014
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: see you too. Man always hey Man, thanks so much.

1015
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: Guys love it. We'll be back next week. Bold predictions

1016
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: coming up. Our thanks to John Osier, Bucky Brooks, our

1017
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: entire crew. I'm J P. Shadrick. We'll catch you next time.

1018
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