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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: my name is Noel. They call me Ben. You are you?

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Speaker 1: And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This this is something that's been a long time in

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Speaker 1: coming for the three of us and for everyone else.

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Speaker 1: It's also been a long time in Alberton, that's a

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Speaker 1: joke about coming the county another county in Georgia where

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Speaker 1: I grew up. It's a it's a city. It's a city.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Alberton because it has the area because seven

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Speaker 1: h six, so does Athens, so does Augusta, where I

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Speaker 1: Georgia has seven or six and I've never understood why. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's an interesting thing we could

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Speaker 1: explore with the You know, there are conspiracy theories about

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Speaker 1: area codes, which will be something for a completely different podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Not Today, My Friend, Not Today, My Friend. Today, we're

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Speaker 1: casting our memory back to nineteen eighty almost forty years

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Speaker 1: gone now in a small town called Elberton, Georgia, the

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Speaker 1: self proclaimed granite capital of the world. And no, you have, uh,

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Speaker 1: you have FRAPs some of the we you definitely have

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Speaker 1: the most I would say personal experience with today's topic.

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Speaker 1: Could you could you lead us in? You'll give you

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Speaker 1: the set up? Can you give us the set up?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it in my setup voice. In June

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Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy nine, a well dressed, well spoken stranger

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Speaker 1: walked into the office of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company.

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Speaker 1: He used the name R. C. Christian or Robert Christian.

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Speaker 1: When introducing himself to the owner, Joe Findley, who was

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Speaker 1: That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, and those who are

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Speaker 1: aliens or ghosts or future AI listening to this show today,

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Speaker 1: at this moment in time and space, we are exploring

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Speaker 1: the strange and fascinating story behind what is often called

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Speaker 1: America's Stonehenge, but has another more common name, the Georgia guidestones.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't, man, you read my mind with that sound effect?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Okay? I know we can do it in No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's better from you. More gravity, yeah, more more gravitas excellence.

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Speaker 1: So we went to the guide Stones for a an

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Speaker 1: adventure that we probably won't ever fully explain on air. Um.

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Speaker 1: But circumstances led to the three of us being there

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Speaker 1: in Elberton, Georgia, the seat of Elbert County. And this

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Speaker 1: is a very very very very small town, very small population,

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Speaker 1: somewhere between four thousand, five thousand people, about ninety miles

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Speaker 1: stones themselves are about nine miles north of downtown Alberton.

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Speaker 1: And you can see it from Georgia Highway seventy seven

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Speaker 1: and you can reach it by turning turning on guide

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Speaker 1: actually situated on a farm, a piece of farmland that

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Speaker 1: was gifted to the city of Alberton by the Mullanex family. UM.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know we should should we go into wine?

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Speaker 1: I know this stuff we should we should go ahead, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we should at least talk about it. Now. Let's let

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Speaker 1: Because what what were we referring to when we said

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Speaker 1: We know that it is named after a revolutionary and

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Speaker 1: in November of seventeen eight, like all people eventually, but

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Speaker 1: convey astrological information, contains these multi lingual directives for a

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Speaker 1: presented without comment. Number one maintain humanity under five hundred

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Speaker 1: site for cultist purposes of any kind. We ask the

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Speaker 1: people of Elbert County to protect the site from abuse,

429
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Speaker 1: so that our brief appeal to reason may be carried

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Speaker 1: to our fellow human beings of all philosophies in a

431
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: united effort to deal with the problems of the world

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Speaker 1: through the application of human reason. Yours truly, R. C. H.

433
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Speaker 1: So this official statement more or less categorically disavows any

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Speaker 1: sort of uh, occult or ritualistic um involvement, at least

435
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Speaker 1: on the part of our seat. And again, the words

436
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: that we are hearing that pop up here consistently are

437
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: things like reason, common sense. This is clearly based on

438
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Speaker 1: at least a group that perceives themselves as proceeding in

439
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: secularism and rationalism, also as being relatively neutral in terms

440
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Speaker 1: of any kind of the they mentioned. He mentioned in

441
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: the letter that there is no political message. I disagree with.

442
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: I completely disagree with that, especially in context of nine

443
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Speaker 1: when it was cold. Yeah, I don't know. I love

444
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: that you point that out, meat, because we cannot divorce

445
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: this from the context of time in which it occurred.

446
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: We are as a species at that point, uh, possibly

447
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: closer to nuclear war than we have been at any

448
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: time definitely before or a since World War Two. And

449
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: now another another factor we forget is that these two

450
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: gigantic superpowers are fighting proxy wars throughout the country. And

451
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: this is the These are the days before widespread internet,

452
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: So the average person was going after work very hard

453
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: to have more of an international understanding. Right. Yeah, investigative

454
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: journalism was better, That's just a fact. But the problem

455
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: is that fewer people had access to diverse sources of information.

456
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: And the reason I think that all of us are

457
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Speaker 1: having a hard time separating this from a policy medical context,

458
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Speaker 1: as they're talking about the rule of law on a

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Speaker 1: global scale, which is itself a political opinion. What don't

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Speaker 1: you think absolutely? I mean, and as you say, it's

461
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Speaker 1: almost like there's a a very palpable desire need, if

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Speaker 1: you will, to combat the potential for hysteria and and

463
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Speaker 1: and losing that rationality and that sense of reason and

464
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Speaker 1: just completely falling victim to you know, the hysteria of

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Speaker 1: the time, which was Cold war paranoia, the idea that we,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, may not be long for this world, you know,

467
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Speaker 1: and and finding a way to kind of come together

468
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Speaker 1: as humans. And let's not forget that this also there's

469
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Speaker 1: a lot here that might lead one to believe this

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Speaker 1: is maybe for after the bombs fall. That's that's exactly

471
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Speaker 1: my thought. It's if bombs do fall on us soil

472
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: and this one remote part of Georgia remains somewhat unaffected,

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Speaker 1: and as people continue to like rebuild after some disaster

474
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Speaker 1: like that, you happen upon it and you can read

475
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Speaker 1: it because it's in all the languages, and you make

476
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Speaker 1: a new society. Yeah. I think that's an excellent point.

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Speaker 1: And it's got to be in the reckoning there, because

478
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Speaker 1: the things that tend to last the longest out of

479
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: human made, anything made by humanity, will will tend to

480
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Speaker 1: be very on. When I say primitive, I just mean

481
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of moving parts, but very

482
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Speaker 1: unsophisticated things nounds in the ground, burial mounds, stone work

483
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Speaker 1: works of stone. And this reminds me of something that

484
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: we may have talked about on the show before, which

485
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: was when NASA started asking people how we would um

486
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Speaker 1: neces start asking people how we would protect future generations

487
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Speaker 1: or even extraterrestrial species from radiation sites, nuclear fallout, or

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Speaker 1: nuclear waste. Right, because the half life math there is tremendous,

489
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Speaker 1: and it's completely possible that the US could fall, the

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Speaker 1: bombs could drop, civilization could like go down into just

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Speaker 1: a tiny uh Tinese stuttering match flame and then later

492
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: rekindle and people are finding out these new continents and stuff,

493
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Speaker 1: and then they boom, they stumble onto a toxic wasting

494
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: and like the last uh fertile humans die. That was

495
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: the fear, and they came up with all these weird,

496
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Speaker 1: um very creative things like hey, let's get cats or

497
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Speaker 1: plants that grow in the presence of radiation, or let's

498
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Speaker 1: have big stonework warnings. But I think you guys are

499
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Speaker 1: absolutely right. I think it is intended for post disaster

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Speaker 1: because it's built pretty far inland. So even if climate

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Speaker 1: change projections of the time were but you know, as

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Speaker 1: catastrophic as it might have been, then it still wouldn't

503
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Speaker 1: be underwater. Well, and again it's at the it's the

504
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Speaker 1: highest point in Elburn County. It is a high place

505
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Speaker 1: and it's flat. So um. Mr Christian did tell why

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Speaker 1: Martin that he chose Alberton because of a the quality

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Speaker 1: and availability of the granite, and the personnel that it

508
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Speaker 1: would take to construct such a monument, and more importantly

509
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Speaker 1: even the conditions the climate. You know, the location and

510
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Speaker 1: these things you're talking about with it being inland the

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Speaker 1: way it was and the elevation, making it um a

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Speaker 1: place that could serve as a rallying point, you know

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Speaker 1: if the bleep hit the fan, with the bleep hit

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Speaker 1: the fan. Yeah, that's uh, that's it's interesting. I wonder

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Speaker 1: how many survivalist preppers have that plan. It's like, all right,

516
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: if it goes down, meet meet the stones. I like

517
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: that seventy two hours. I don't know. I mean, yeah,

518
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: it might not be very helpful in gathering food and stuff. Hey,

519
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: you'd have some horses right there, though, at least I

520
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: think it's a nice idea, but there's a lot of

521
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: ideas that maybe are not so nice, and I think

522
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: maybe where we go now on this show, as we

523
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Speaker 1: get little granular with him, pull this thing apart, talk

524
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Speaker 1: about each one. But first let's take a quick break. So,

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Speaker 1: as we said earlier, there are ten commandments, or as

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Speaker 1: our friend RC likes to call them, precepts carved into

527
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Speaker 1: these stones, and we're looking let's look at each of them, uh,

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Speaker 1: during the time of their construction in the nineteen eighties

529
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Speaker 1: and compare those changes or the global progress may or

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Speaker 1: lost from then to now at the end of sixteen.

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Speaker 1: So what's first? The first one is maintain humanity under

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Speaker 1: five hundred million in perpetual balance with the nature. Lot

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Speaker 1: to unpack here, Yeah, that, I mean it just okay, well,

534
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: well why is this? Why does this feel strange when

535
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: you hear that? Well, it obviously hasn't happened yet. And

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00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty when this monument was built, there were

537
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: in estimated four billion, four hundred and fifty three million,

538
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Speaker 1: eight hundred and thirty one thousand, seven hundred and fourteen

539
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: rough estimated people on planet Earth at that time. Now,

540
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: you know we don't have to exactly do the math

541
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Speaker 1: here to let you know that five million is significantly

542
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: fewer than the number of people that existed at the time,

543
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: which brings us back to our eugenics discussions. Right. So

544
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Speaker 1: the big question that the guide zones imply, or the

545
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: question that conjures up immediately, is what happens to these

546
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: more than four billion people who around in So this

547
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: gives us another, um, this is us another leg to

548
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Speaker 1: our argument that this was meant to be read by

549
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: survivors of something what happened to all those people? That's true. Um.

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Speaker 1: There is another possibility though, that Mr Christian did in

551
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Speaker 1: fact support the idea of calling you know, the undesirable element,

552
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: shall we say from the population, that there needed to

553
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: be some sort of separating the wheat from the chaff?

554
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: Shall we say for this new society? Careful? Well, I am,

555
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: but I actually have here, uh in my hands a

556
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: book UM called common Sense renewed the Georgia Guidestones by

557
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: Robert Christian, and this was distributed. It was given out

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Speaker 1: for free at the Albert Library for years. They have

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Speaker 1: them on file there and I believe they had copies

560
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Speaker 1: that you could actually get. He left them with Mr

561
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: Martin and asked that he makes them available to people.

562
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Speaker 1: I have a copyer. I don't think there are tons left.

563
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: But the very first the preface starts like this. At

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Speaker 1: harvest time, primitive farmers separate their grain by beating the

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Speaker 1: stalks with flails on a threshing floor. They removed the

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Speaker 1: loose straw, leaving a residue of grain, chaff, and dust.

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Speaker 1: This mixture is purified by winnowing, tossing it into the

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Speaker 1: air to permit the empty husks and useless debris to

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Speaker 1: be carried away on the wind. The grain kernels fall

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Speaker 1: back where they can be recovered and put to use

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Speaker 1: by the community. So what's fascinating there is that's clearly

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Speaker 1: that clearly implies something for our second precept that's coming

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00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: up here too, um, But there are numerous things that

574
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: show up in in fiction and in international affairs and

575
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: real politics where people are saying, you know, this side

576
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: the egg omelet argument, right, you got to break a

577
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: ton of eggs to make that delicious Colorado to build

578
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: a better omelet. Right, And obviously, no matter how you

579
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: look at it right now, as often this hasn't worked.

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00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: As of sixteen there are over seven point four billion

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Speaker 1: people alive, and there's an estimated eighty million more on

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Speaker 1: the way in seventeen unless the winnowing begins. The second one,

583
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Speaker 1: the one that I think fascinates the three of us immensely,

584
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Speaker 1: is guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity. And this

585
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: is also exactly what um Robert Christians talking about here.

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00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: It's obviously an argument for eugenics, which itself has been

587
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: the rationale for numerous horrific crimes, genocides, forced sterilizations, other

588
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: other strange shoot medical experiment and during various points of

589
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: history it's been lauded as a way to improve humanity,

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00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: though hopefully we can all understand how improving something might

591
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: mean very different things to different people. Who right right.

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Speaker 1: And it's true that while there are more people being born,

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00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: the pattern of birth birthrates is changing geographically. The majority

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Speaker 1: of First World developed nations are experiencing and decline in

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Speaker 1: birth rates, that Japan being one of the most um

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Speaker 1: one of the most extreme examples. And if we look

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Speaker 1: to the future we walk a little past. What we're

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Speaker 1: seeing is the idea that eugenics may be easier and

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Speaker 1: more customizable than ever before uh, we may become a

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Speaker 1: species wherein thanks to gene editing technology, we don't have

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Speaker 1: people practicing genocides so much as we have people editing

602
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: genes of fetuses, unborn children, getting that crisper out, getting

603
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Speaker 1: the crisper out. Yep. Crisper the famous gene editing software

604
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Speaker 1: which was recently used on human material for the first time,

605
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: and God, it sounds messed up to call it human material. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that stuff, here's another quote from a chapter

607
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Speaker 1: in the book UH Common Sensor newd by Robert Christian,

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Speaker 1: chapter called cultural evolution Um. The science of genetics has

609
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Speaker 1: provided us with rudimentary understanding of the manner in which

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Speaker 1: a human body and brain developed from a single living cell,

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00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: the fertilized ovum. That tiny miracle combines contributions from two

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Speaker 1: parents and approximately equal proportions. It's central nucleus contains a

613
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Speaker 1: genetic blueprint which spells out the general characteristics of our species,

614
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Speaker 1: together with the minor variations which determine our racial and

615
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Speaker 1: individual features. Our greatest acquired feature is invisible and intangible.

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Speaker 1: It is our total cultural heritage, the composite of knowledge

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Speaker 1: which is maintained and transferred in our libraries and in

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Speaker 1: the information stores of our arts and sciences, our trades, traditions,

619
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Speaker 1: and all the complex living patterns of human society. The

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Speaker 1: capacity for assimilating that heritage and in enriching it is

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Speaker 1: mysteriously contained in the trillion or more cells which constitute

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Speaker 1: the living brain, and each of us collectively, these features

623
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Speaker 1: determine our national and individual awareness and our character. Alright,

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Speaker 1: So the argument there that culture is the most important thing.

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00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: The learning, actually the learning of the dead and our predecessors,

626
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Speaker 1: would be the most important thing carried by our um,

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00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: carried by our human brains, right or whatever, We build

628
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: a function as a proxy for a human brain. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There is a dangerous part here with eugenics, of course,

630
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Speaker 1: which is the idea of breeding programs. That sounds fun. Well,

631
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Speaker 1: we know that the Nazi Party tried it to create

632
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: their perf aryan there um, and many you know, insipid

633
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: so called royals or aristocrats have made essentially made incest

634
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: a family tradition, and that happened to their massive disadvantage.

635
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, look at look at the deformities of King Tutt,

636
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Speaker 1: look at the jaws of the Habsburgs, look at the

637
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: web of grossly intertwined families that are still somehow treated

638
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: as the tribal mascots of Europe. It's not just a

639
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: lanister thing. And did you know that China, the nation

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Speaker 1: of China uh allegedly used a breeding program to create

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Speaker 1: the famous basketball player uh Yao Ming. Yeah, and you

642
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: can read reports of this because China asked to very

643
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: tall basketball players, his father being six foot seven and

644
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: his mom being six three two, essentially breed together and

645
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Speaker 1: see if they if their children would be tall, alert

646
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: and then boom. For now, there is no publicly acknowledged

647
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: widespread eugenics program or breeding program, although generational family based

648
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: discrimination is almost certainly functioning in a eugenistic way, by,

649
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: for instance, North Korea's North Korea's collective punishment system, which says,

650
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: if if someone violates a law, then uh their family

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00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: three generations up, three generations down off, which means that

652
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: entire family, you know, lines are are being lost. Here's

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00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: another one, unite humanity with a new living language. I

654
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Speaker 1: feel like this also is a big part of of

655
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: what you mentioned earlier, been about how they're It just

656
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: wasn't as easy to get information, especially in an increasingly

657
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: global society, global world um where there are years of

658
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: outside invaders coming and challenging our way of life. The

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00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: idea here being that if we could communicate with our

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Speaker 1: enemies in the same language, using the same tongue, that

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00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: maybe we could find more common ground. Perhaps. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think overall a lot of the messages of the

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Speaker 1: guidestones are one of peace and environmentalism and sort of

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Speaker 1: taking care of what you have and nurturing relationships. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's how it speaks to me. What

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Speaker 1: do you guys think. I don't know if this is correct,

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00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: but I believe that English would be the closest thing

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Speaker 1: that we could call a universal language that exists on

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Speaker 1: the planet today. In yeah, it's the okay. So there's

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Speaker 1: a difference between what would be a constructed language and

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Speaker 1: then a language like English, right, or a language like Mandarin.

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Speaker 1: So many people have made attempts to create a global

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Speaker 1: language before the Georgia Guidestones were a thing, and one

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Speaker 1: of the most famous is Esperanto. There's uh, there's an

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Speaker 1: Esperanto film starring William Schattner. I think we talked a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Esperanto on a on another trip. Uh,

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Speaker 1: But it never it never caught on And Matt, you're

678
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Currently English, let's consider it the de facto

679
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: language of business. So there are more people in raw

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Speaker 1: numbers being native speakers of Mandarin for instance, right, or

681
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: Chinese language. However, there are more and more people who

682
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: are speaking English in their common Like let's say you

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Speaker 1: spoke German and you spoke Spanish, and you spoke English,

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00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: and Nol spoke Russian, and Noll spoke uh Swahili and

685
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Speaker 1: also English, then of course would naturally converse in English,

686
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: but it's still not the not the world's language yet.

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00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: And like you said, Noll, the rise of this incredibly

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Speaker 1: cheap communication now the fact that we can have essentially

689
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Speaker 1: the same kind of conversation if you live in Thailand

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Speaker 1: and I lived in Um. What's far away from Thailand,

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00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: that's not here Australia, Australia. What I meant originally was,

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Speaker 1: at the time, we didn't have that kind of instantaneous

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Speaker 1: communication the way we do now. In nineteen seventy nine,

694
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Speaker 1: it was much more difficult to get instantaneous news and information.

695
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: Like you said, there was better quality of news, but

696
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't as readily available to all people, and

697
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be as easy to find out what was

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00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: going on in Russia, you know, or have a one

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Speaker 1: on one conversation with somebody who has perceived as being

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00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: like an enemy. I think the idea here to have

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00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: to unify people with a living new language is the

702
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: idea of bringing people together by getting rid of those

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Speaker 1: language barriers. So in a way, technology and the internet

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00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: has sort of achieved this precept. From where we stand today,

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00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: well I did. I think it's definitely eroded it and

706
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: they don't think gets eliminated. But but it also goes

707
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: to another bigger question. How do we define a language?

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Speaker 1: This is this is something that's important because clearly, clearly

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Speaker 1: the authors of the guide some precepts mean to define

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Speaker 1: a language as something like we're speaking English now right,

711
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: or however we're translated on your television. But is math

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Speaker 1: a language, because if so, then the majority of the

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Speaker 1: world speaks it to one degree or another. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we've always talked about extraterrestrials or how you would communicate

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Speaker 1: with an entirely alien species of some sort, it would

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Speaker 1: probably be something like math um. But there are all

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Speaker 1: lot of things you can't express in math, you know

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00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you can't uh there, there's a

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Speaker 1: certain poetry to it, but it's not the same as

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Speaker 1: the language is we're speaking and then his music a language,

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00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: right would you would there be ever being an encounter

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Speaker 1: with someone where you would be able to communicate entirely

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Speaker 1: through music or even like body language, where that can

724
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: differ significantly across cultures, as can music. But there are

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Speaker 1: things about music that seem to cross cultural barriers, like

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00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: in terms of a feeling of reverence or or like

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00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, having the you know, the hairs stand up

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Speaker 1: on the back of your neck when a particular passage

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00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: of some Beethoven is played, you know beautifully. Um, can

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00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: you communicate thoughts and concepts? I mean, you can paint

731
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: a picture, but it's very blunt, kind of like you

732
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Speaker 1: can't really get into specifics you know, where you have

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Speaker 1: like us the score to Peter in the Wolf for example,

734
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Speaker 1: where you have you know, the duck is a particular

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Speaker 1: instrument and you can kind of picture a duck waddling

736
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Speaker 1: around or something like that, But then you can't get

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Speaker 1: much more specific than that if you used music, like

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Speaker 1: like in close encounters for example, where you used music

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Speaker 1: to represent intervals, which are then translated to math, to

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Speaker 1: a type of code and Marse code or what have you.

741
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: You know you could communicate things that way. Yeah, and

742
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: we know that maybe a computer code could be used

743
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Speaker 1: in a similar way. If we go back to example

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Speaker 1: of one person speaking German, one speaking Russian, uh, and

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Speaker 1: they both are using the same sort of code, computer code,

746
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: then it's possible that what they would be doing is

747
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: like communication. But I love that you point out that

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Speaker 1: music has more of an a mode of emotional content,

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Speaker 1: because you could. We can hear Peter and the Wolf,

750
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: which is a great example. We can hear in the

751
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: Hall of the Mountain King and get the fact that

752
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: things are going crazy there. But we can't listen to

753
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Speaker 1: an instrumental if we don't know how to tie our

754
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: shoes and expect to teach us how to do that. Right,

755
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: we need words for certain things unless you're using emojis,

756
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: and that's the new language, because it would essentially be

757
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: like hieroglyphics, but digital and universal. Yeah, idiograms, pictograms. That's fascinating. Well,

758
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: what what about this next? What about ruling, passion, faith,

759
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: tradition and all things with tempered reason. There's the R

760
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: word again. I just think that comes back to not

761
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: getting carried away with, you know, the paranoias and the

762
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: burdens of our time. You know, we could could probably

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Speaker 1: use that advice where we are right now with what's

764
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: going on politically, and a lot of people are very

765
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Speaker 1: paranoid and concerned. The idea of sort of ruling your

766
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: emotional life with some measured form of reason and kind

767
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: of tamping down your base or instincts to just fly

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Speaker 1: off the handle and you know, go to war, be

769
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Speaker 1: it with your neighbor, you know, or on a global scale.

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Speaker 1: I just think that it's sort of just encouraging people

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Speaker 1: to like think things through and not fly off the handle,

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00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: you know. You know, I took it as an argument

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Speaker 1: against religious extreme animism as well as ideological uh. And

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Speaker 1: I was looking at this in Nighties sixteen. There's a

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Speaker 1: clear trend towards secularism in the US and in Western Europe,

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00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: but in other parts of the world there's a clear

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Speaker 1: trend toward what it is often called extremist ideology, right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And when I say that, I don't mean just one

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Speaker 1: particular faith. I'm talking about different areas of the world.

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Speaker 1: So the amount of people in the U s who

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Speaker 1: say they're absolutely certain God exists has dropped from seventy

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Speaker 1: one percent in two thousand and seven to sixty three

783
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Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen. UH and the amount of people

784
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Speaker 1: who identified as non religious, agnostic or atheistic has increased

785
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: UM and in the US, the population people who believe

786
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: in in some sort of God is UH far higher

787
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: than most other developed countries, but it's still slowly declining

788
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: um um UM over over about the same time span

789
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: UH since the Pew Research Center conducted their first religious

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00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: landscape study UM and now the religious religiously unaffiliated, which

791
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: is slightly different the people who say, well, I'm none,

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Speaker 1: I'm not an atheist. I'm not you know, a Catholic

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00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: or um a shape, a shaker. The religiously unaffiliated, the

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00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: people who don't consider themselves you know, Catholic, or or

795
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: Muslim or a Jehovah witness, where an atheist at all

796
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: has increased. People who like that was the population called

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00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: the nuns who just put none in o n e

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00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: UH has increased in the current age, which is strange.

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Speaker 1: But I I like the way you're looking at it

800
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: more than you know. I think it's better for it

801
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:07,479
Speaker 1: to be an argument of let's be reasonable rather than

802
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: an argument against religion, which is what it could be

803
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: against religious extremism. But I don't think it's against spirituality

804
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: in general. Well, and it's also the the language here

805
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: is very specific. It says rule, passion, faith, tradition and

806
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: all things. Well. Yeah, the so the people that are

807
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: either in charge of it or you know, in some

808
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: way that I guess the religious leaders like this. It's

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00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: a direct message to that person. Um. That's interesting to

810
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: me because it feels like I don't want to I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say patriarchal can control because it's not

812
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, specifying any kind of gender or anything like that.

813
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: But it just feels like that the your leader will

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00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: control these things with reason or make it. It seems

815
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: like there's a hierarchy definitely of how to priority stuff, right.

816
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: And I think that many of the precepts on here

817
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: are specifically directed at government, and then I think some

818
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: of them can be um made more personal as well,

819
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's what something that's interesting about

820
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: the language of these precepts is that a lot of

821
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: them are clearly advice for setting up a government or

822
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: for changing a government for the better. But a lot

823
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: of them can kind of are twofold where you can

824
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: sort of apply them to your own philosophy, in your

825
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: own way of thinking, just as a human person. Yeah,

826
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Speaker 1: there's a code of Hammurabi kind of thing going on here,

827
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Speaker 1: which is exactly as you said, to establish a civilization,

828
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Speaker 1: or to establish an ideal civilization. Well, what's next? Where

829
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Speaker 1: where are we at with the next precept? The next

830
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: commandment states that we should protect people in nations with

831
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: fair laws and just courts. Sounds pretty straightforward, sounds like

832
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: a good idea to me, open ended though it is. Yeah,

833
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: is it? Is it fair? I don't know? Or what?

834
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Speaker 1: Do you look at the words fair and just? I

835
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: guess definition of those isn't that Fox News is tagline

836
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: fair just now more than ever? Uh? Yeah, it's It's

837
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Speaker 1: interesting because it makes me wonder too if this is

838
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: similar to Asimov's fictional laws of robotics, which are also

839
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: hierarchical in that the first one establishes everything and the

840
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: later ones build off that. So maybe that's interesting. Yeah,

841
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: So maybe these are put in this order to build

842
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: like you can't do you can't do this one unless

843
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: you've achieved ruling your passions, faith in tradition, and all

844
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: things with that temperate reason. Exactly, if you don't have

845
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: that down, then your courts and your laws are gonna

846
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: be all kinds of messed up. Right. Yeah, Let's consider,

847
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: for example, many practitioners of various religions that have a

848
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: legal system encoded in the religion will consider that religions

849
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: um that religion's legal system the only true, fair and

850
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: just rule of law. Even if it's a religion that

851
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: says destroy nonbelievers, that'll they'll just seem like fair and just.

852
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem so if you're not ruling, you know,

853
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: temperate things with reason. And obviously I think the Guide

854
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: Stones architects would take exception to that. Now, the United

855
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: Nations existed in the eighties, right when when the Guide

856
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: Since were being built, but the International Criminal Court did

857
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: not exist until the Rome Statute in the late nineties

858
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: and only became active in the early two thousands. So

859
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: we could say that if this um, we could say that,

860
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: if we're protecting people and nations, that the International Criminal

861
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: Court is a step forward in that direction. So that's progress. However,

862
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: people's still argue back and forth over whether dear National

863
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: Criminal Court a works there's be effective and the US

864
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: is not a signatory and probably never will be. Do

865
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: you feel like some of this is a comment on

866
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: the state of the United Nations and like how to

867
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: make it better, sort of a critique of it not

868
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: being all that it's cracked up to be. I think

869
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: I think it's in support of it. Um. I feel

870
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: like it's definitely I think they see parts of the

871
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: United Nations as a model. I think it's a mix,

872
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think they believe in the United Nations specifically.

873
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: They believe in some sort of peaceful global enterprise. Um.

874
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: The word enterprise, for instance, makes you know what they

875
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: believe in. It sounds like a Star Trek world. You

876
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: know how in the world of Star Trek Earth is utopian.

877
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: So why I'm still on the fence about all this

878
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: eugenic stuff. I mean, I read some passages from the

879
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: book and there is some language in here that is

880
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: a little bit troubling, But at the same time, it's

881
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: just not in line with so many of the other precepts.

882
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: So many of them seem to be focusing on peace

883
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: and harmony, and you know, being one with nature as

884
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: we'll get to, you know. So I just I I

885
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: don't know that I believe that Mr Christian was in

886
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: fact into the idea of of killing off a huge

887
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: percentage of the population. I think it was more of

888
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: a after the bomb's false scenario, how do we deal

889
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: with those that survive? How do we create a society

890
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: that will encourage reason over you know, hysteria and paranoia

891
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: and you know, killing your brother to get something better

892
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: for yourself, that kind of thing. If you want to

893
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: go dystopian with it, then maybe the eugenics at that point,

894
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: post apocalyptic genics would be a matter of survival, right.

895
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: Maybe there are certain um mutations or deficiencies that occur,

896
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: like exposure to long long term exposure intergenerational to radiation

897
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: may mean that only certain people can or should um

898
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: or viruses like Zeka, you know, if it, yeah, somehow

899
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: travels through a line, then yeah, that I mean, that's

900
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: that's a really good point. And then also we have

901
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: to think maybe they were writing by committee, you know

902
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: what I mean, Maybe just like the Founding Fathers had

903
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: different aims. Maybe there was just one guy there who

904
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: was super into eugenics and they said, okay, well you

905
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: have to help us build these stones. We'll put a

906
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: little in there just before we get too far away

907
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: from the International Criminal Court. I don't know if you

908
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: guys saw the news today that Russia withdrew from the

909
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: International Criminal Court, and earlier this year in several African

910
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: states withdrew from the International Criminal Court. It's weird see

911
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: the International Criminal Court losing sway with with parts of

912
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: the world right now. Yeah, and that brings us to

913
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: the next precept, which is let all nations rule internally,

914
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: resolving external disputes in a world court. So on paper,

915
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: we talked about the i c C and other international

916
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: systems that help resolve international issues. However, one thing that's

917
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: not mentioned in the Guide Stones precepts at all is

918
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: the rise of corporate entities and the fact that in

919
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: numerous situations now, especially with virgeny legislation like the t

920
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: p P Trans Pacific Partnership, what we're seeing is that

921
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: some external corporations are able to affect the internal functions

922
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: of state actors of countries, you know, And we don't

923
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: need to go to court man with the country. We'll

924
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: just have a tribunal, uh, separately, on our own. It'll

925
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: be fine. You don't have to worry about it. And

926
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: there's no question that numerous countries since before the nineteen

927
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: eighties and then after the nineteen eighties have been interfering

928
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: with the internal functions of other other states. The US

929
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: is an extreme example. The US has interfered legally and

930
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: illegally and in gray areas in multiple countries throughout the world.

931
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: And not to say the US is the only person,

932
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: the only entity doing this. Russia has done the same

933
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: with crimea right in the Ukraine. China has famously done

934
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: the same with the expansion in what it's called the

935
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: South China. See basically, the superpowers do it. Yeah, the

936
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: superpowers do it? Do we live in a world where

937
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: might is right? The architects of the guide stones are

938
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: arguing that we should not, But so far we haven't

939
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: made as much progress on that one. And then here's

940
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: the one that remember earlier we said, uh, we said

941
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: that we don't agree with the idea that these are

942
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: not of a political nature. Absolutely, what what do you

943
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: think with What do you think of this next one?

944
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: It's it's probably the most middle finger precept of the bunch.

945
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: I would say avoid petty laws and useless officials. I

946
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: read that, I thought, what happened? It's like a mic

947
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: drop right there. You know, it feels like it's personal, right,

948
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: like somebody in the committee or whoever came up with

949
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: these didn't like somebody who was either in charge of

950
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: his group that he was with, and he wrote this one.

951
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: I think he wrote it on purpose for one person. Well,

952
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: if we consider Congress a group of officials, then the

953
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: American public certainly ranks them as largely useless. I mean,

954
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: their approval numbers are in the tank. Yeah, I man

955
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: not to mention petty. I mean it's it's it's all

956
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: of this, you know, back and forth. I'm gonna block

957
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: anything that you could possibly want to do, you know,

958
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: if it kills me. I mean, it's not even about progress,

959
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: it's about winning. Yeah, it's about progress of the party,

960
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: none of the country. Yeah, you know what I didn't

961
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: think about that. You're absolutely right, that is petty. And

962
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: what makes a law of petty? What makes an official useless? Uh? No,

963
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: I think you had the best answer for that, um.

964
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: But a lot of our listeners are going to have

965
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: very different answers depending on political opinions. It's another very

966
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: open ended one here. So this is all about like

967
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: how you look at it and who you think is

968
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and it all depends on whether

969
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: they're doing something for you or not a lot of time.

970
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: And like Matt pointed out at the very beginning, Uh,

971
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: since they are anonymous, we don't have a way to

972
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: contact them and say, hey, what's up with that one?

973
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: Who did you write this about a specific congress person?

974
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: And the other one? Balancing personal rights with social duties?

975
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: The next precepts seems like it's an argument for good citizenship. Um,

976
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, voting, pay taxes and so on. If that's

977
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: the case, well we haven't made that much progress either.

978
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: Voting rates remain laughably low. Uh. The US elected a

979
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: president who bragged about never paying taxes and you know

980
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: whether you support that, uh that president elect or not. Um.

981
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: It also seems largely legal, but it's also completely true.

982
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: So what is what is the conflict between a personal

983
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: right and a social duty? That feels a little open

984
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: ended to me because your social duties vary depending upon

985
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: the community or the or the civilization in which you live.

986
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: To me, though, this is almost like a socialist kind

987
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: of thing sounding like or even you can go as

988
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: far as saying communists, it's saying, you know, for the

989
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: greater good, I will give up my personal rights for

990
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: the greater good of the community. So it is my

991
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: social duty to limit my personal freedoms for the greater good.

992
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: That's just how it sounds to me. I don't know

993
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: about you gus. To me, that sounds very star our trek,

994
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: And I know that may sound counterintuitive to a lot

995
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: of people. Needs of the many. Well, yeah, but if

996
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: you think about the way the enterprise function, Oh wow,

997
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: I sound like such a dork. Okay, I'm gonna keep going.

998
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: You think about what all of the inhabitants of the

999
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: enterprise got to do. I mean, there was a holidack

1000
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: where you could, I guess, give us let off some

1001
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: steam or something like that. But in the the interactions

1002
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: amongst all of the crew members, you had to be

1003
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: very straightforward, very I mean even keel. Like, nobody is

1004
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: going off the handle, having a fight or getting super

1005
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: super drunk. It just doesn't happen because they're greater duties,

1006
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: your paced, your passion, faith, your tradition, all things with

1007
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: that temperate reason, you know, not flying off the handle,

1008
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: keeping it cool and calm and collected. I feel like

1009
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: this is another one that speaks both to a system

1010
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: of government that could impose this kind of thinking on you,

1011
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: and also just to this is just how you should

1012
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: be a good guy, good good gal, good good human citizen.

1013
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: You know, I think that it can be seen both ways,

1014
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: as as many of these can. We're getting down to

1015
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: it now, guys. I know we've been at this for

1016
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: a minute. This is probably our longest ever episode, but

1017
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: let's soldier forth. Yeah, we just had a few more.

1018
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: This is the This is the most open ended prize, truth, beauty, love, seeking,

1019
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: harmony with the infinite. Who has the closest me that

1020
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: is the closest thing to God in this entire affair,

1021
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's made a lot of effort to

1022
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: be very secular, as we talked about, it really does.

1023
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: Even in that letter I read from Mr Christian, he

1024
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: talks about how they purposely left out any specific mention

1025
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: of a religion of a god, and none is there.

1026
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: And you know, um, I know atheists that still think

1027
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: about the idea of the universe or the idea of

1028
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: the something, some force that moves through things that is

1029
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: sort of what one might consider calling God and and

1030
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: and this is the reference there, I think when seeking

1031
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: harmony with the infinite. Yeah, it seems like it's an

1032
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 1: argument of some sort of secular, meditative approach to being

1033
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: self aware of your place in the universe. Right, how

1034
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: could you be mad about that? It would be my

1035
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: my response. But it brings us to speaking harmony in

1036
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: the infinite. The very last one and one of the

1037
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: most important, and I would say crucial for our time,

1038
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: be not a cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature,

1039
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: Leave room for nature. Yeah, twice, says it, twice in

1040
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: a row. There, it's the last one. Yeah. Um, I

1041
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: gotta say this. This one hits home for me a

1042
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: little bit. I think maybe I listened to too much

1043
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, uh, at least back in the day, like

1044
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve Joe Rogan where he discusses flying in

1045
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: a plane over cities as opposed to flying over natural areas,

1046
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: wooded areas, mountain ranges and stuff like that. And I'm

1047
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: paraphrasing Rogan here, but he's just saying, which one of

1048
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: those looks like a tumor when you're that high up

1049
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: and you're looking down on the Earth itself. If you

1050
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: imagine it as a living being, the tumor is the

1051
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: city with all this jagged, nasty metal shooting up out

1052
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: of it. And then you've got streams and water running

1053
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: over here with these with plants and animals running around

1054
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: and all that. I don't know, I feel that, I

1055
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: feel that, I feel like we may be really bad

1056
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: for this planet as a species. Well, you know, the

1057
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: Earth is uh, the Earth is definitely in the age

1058
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: of man, the anthropossyne. Uh. The Earth was covered by

1059
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: approximately fourteen point eight billion acres of forest about eight

1060
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: thousand years ago. Has a repercussion of human exploitation. Only

1061
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: about eight point six billion remain in The highest rates

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Speaker 1: of d forced station occurred during the last fifty years

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Speaker 1: from nineteen to Brazil alone lost over ninety one million

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Speaker 1: acres of rainforest. During the time of the Guide Stones construction,

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01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: Earth was already undergoing what is called a global mass extinction,

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Speaker 1: and it continues today at a break neck pace. And

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Speaker 1: this is not a what is it? This is not

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Speaker 1: like a Sierra Club uh pea score greenpeace lecture. This

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Speaker 1: is just these are facts. But that kind of thinking

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01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: was very popular in nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: You know this idea of conservation, I remember, you know, recycle, reduce,

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Speaker 1: reuse um. I mean this was in the early nineties

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Speaker 1: even for me, But I think a lot of that

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Speaker 1: stuff began around that time, and it was kind of

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Speaker 1: sort of entering the public consciousness a little more than

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Speaker 1: it had. People were accepting that maybe all this industrialization

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Speaker 1: isn't the best thing in the whole world, you know,

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Speaker 1: especially with how unevenly it has occurred in parts of

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Speaker 1: the world. And then furthermore, sometimes people reject an environmentalist

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01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: argument out of hand, which is clearly this is an

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Speaker 1: environmentalist argument. The last part leave room for nature. However,

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Speaker 1: there's another bent that a lot of people don't consider,

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01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: which is the biotechnological part human beings. The more we

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: are learning as scientists and as inventors, the more we

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01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: are learning about the natural world, the more we are

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01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: learning that our best technology just imitates a concept that

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: already exists there. So when things go extinct, or when

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01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: systems become corrupt or defunct or they don't function, what

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01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: we are losing is the best functioning technology on the planet,

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Speaker 1: and it is not within our capability to replace it

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Speaker 1: after a certain point. So if someone is bothered by

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01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: if someone's like the rainforest is abstract, that doesn't matter,

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't affect the price of breakfast, cereal or whatever.

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01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: They'll think of it that way. Think of it as

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01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: a computer that a computer that you can't fix, a

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Speaker 1: machine that you can't create enough replacement parts for. Think

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: of that breaking and think of it more like, um,

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01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: the way you would think of being on a boat

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01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: in the open water and the engine is slowly breaking

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: down and the whole is disintegrating, and you start to

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Speaker 1: realize that you can swim for a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: not forever. I mean, at our best, at the height

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Speaker 1: of you know, the human races intellect and ability to innovate,

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Speaker 1: Have we even really come close to matching a system

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: like the rainforest or you know, like the way weather works.

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01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: Have we figured out how to harness that? No, not

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Speaker 1: even close, you know? And I think that's that's a

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: that's pretty forward thinking, um of the creators of this

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01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: monument to put that in uh. And it's true right now,

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Speaker 1: I think than than ever. And now we can we

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01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: can say that the time of the recording, uh, the

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Speaker 1: guide stones still exists. They're except for the drive there.

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01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: Once you get there is very easy to access. There's

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01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: no there's no one who will stop you from They

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01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: are monitored. There are cameras, and those were only put

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: up after so many attempts to tear the things down

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01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: and vandalize them. And I think they are periodically still

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01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, hit with with spray paint and things like that,

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01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: but they are very quickly repaired. Someone's actively someone's actively

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Speaker 1: funding them and monitoring them. But you know, you're not

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01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: being watched per se, you know. I mean, it's you

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01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: can go there and just enjoy them. It's a very

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01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: peaceful place just out on this field, just a very

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Speaker 1: small narrow state road. You just hear the occasional sound

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Speaker 1: of a car are whistling past, and it's an interesting

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01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: place to go and just kind of collect your thoughts

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01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: and um, it's been a lot of fun talking about

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Speaker 1: it with you guys, that's for sure. Well, it's also

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Speaker 1: actively visited still. When we were there, several families came

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Speaker 1: with children to explore it and look at it and

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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: go through it, but not a ton right there for

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Speaker 1: a while, and there were maybe you know, two or

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Speaker 1: three other people that came. No, there were I think

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Speaker 1: I counted eight the second day that we were in

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: the groups, is what I mean. I guess I got

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01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 1: that came together, you know. So it's not like you

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01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: go and it's just teaming with people. But you can

1138
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: check out our other podcasts. You can check out our

1139
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: video component of this coming out soon. Uh. You can

1140
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: find every podcast that we've ever done on our website

1141
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know dot Com. You

1142
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: can find some of our Facebook and Twitter adventures might

1143
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: even relate to this, I think, uh, in our in

1144
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: our pages on those sites where we are conspiracy stuff.

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 1: We're also on the Instagram's well we're on one Instagram

1146
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: it's Conspiracy Stuff show. And we know this episode is

1147
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,879
Speaker 1: has no All pointed out, probably the longest single episode

1148
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: we've ever done. But we hope that you enjoyed this

1149
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: look at the look at the guidestones in depth and

1150
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: on behalf of it. Not to speak too much for us, Matt,

1151
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: but on on behalf of the other two parts of

1152
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: the show, I want to thank you for giving us

1153
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: and giving the audiences such a um, such an unheard

1154
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,879
Speaker 1: of look behind the screen of the official story regarding

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01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: the Georgia guidestones. Yeah. And then one point that I

1156
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: didn't even mention is um and if you guys are

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01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: interested in anybody wants to see the little documentary, may

1158
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: would be glad to shoot out a link I'm at

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: does exist. Um. But Mr Martin gave me all of

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01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: the documents that he had that he basically just wanted

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01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: to unburden himself with this thing, so he gave me

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01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,839
Speaker 1: everything that he had that didn't point to Mr Christian's

1163
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: true identity and everything else we destroyed. You wait, you destroyed? Well,

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01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 1: he did, and I filmed it. What and that's actually

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 1: in the film if you want to see a spoiler alert,

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: but it's I think it's important to know that he's

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: the only one that knows he is not going to

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01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: be around for too much longer he has passed away.

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Speaker 1: Robert Christian, he did, he didn't. He did say that much.

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Speaker 1: He was he was called by his daughter. Oh another

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Speaker 1: thing to just want to mention the last thing, Uh,

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Speaker 1: this was a family affair. Mr Mr Martin did tell

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01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: me that much that this was this group he represented,

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Speaker 1: that many of them were his family members us and

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Speaker 1: what Yeah, and I like that we're ending with a

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: tinge of intrigue, a tinge of mystery. If you have

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 1: something that you think your fellow listeners should know about

1178
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: the Georgia Guidestones, please write to Noel and Matt Night

1179
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: and let us know. We have not phased out the

1180
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: shout out Corner. We just had a couple of doozies

1181
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: of episodes, this one being particularly one. Um, but we

1182
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: are collecting some really great letters from me folks, and

1183
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: we are gonna be sending them back out your way

1184
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: in an episode coming up very soon. Yep. As always,

1185
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: the best suggestions for topics come from you, so please

1186
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: let us know what you think your fellow listeners should

1187
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: know more about. You can write to us directly. We

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