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Speaker 3: But oh no, she was super nice.

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Speaker 2: You know, I never know what to expect with new artists,

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Speaker 2: Three part album and her first installment, twenty something Messing

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Speaker 2: It Up. It came out last month, right about a

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Speaker 2: on Tour. That's the name of Luke's tour, Country on Tour. Well,

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Speaker 2: you just hit it right on the nose, high Country

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Speaker 3: This country going on tour.

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Speaker 2: It's like a dude on a tour. Yeah, a country

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Speaker 3: Alana Springsteen.

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Speaker 5: Do you drink coffee?

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Speaker 3: You know a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Now I don't really like it, Okay, you can roll

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Speaker 2: So I got a concierge doctor, which like changed it

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Speaker 5: Thank you for saying that. The past two years have been.

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Speaker 3: You're supposed to. When you're twenty two, you're just.

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Speaker 3: Light coffee and like bad dudes. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you just loved coffee. Same thing, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Who gets to say the blessing? Oh that's what you

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Speaker 5: Can't do this too.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, and I knew enough to know

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Speaker 2: Only in like a week two you'll show up a

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Speaker 3: How old were you?

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Speaker 1: It was actually Sharie Austin and Will Rambo, who are

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Speaker 3: Who set that up?

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Speaker 5: It's wild? It's such a god thing.

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Speaker 1: Man, Like I we had we knew somebody who worked

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Speaker 5: I did a bunch of anthems when I was young.

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Speaker 5: It's trying to get in front of people.

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Speaker 3: No, there was your first big one, right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a huge gu So yeah, when I saw

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Speaker 5: I don't know how to answer that. I feel like

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Speaker 2: Or if you saw you right now at nine or ten,

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Speaker 1: I'm the second because at that age you're just like

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Speaker 5: Like you don't take a ten year old nine year

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the first then you say that, Wait, my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you would say, that's a kid that's

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Speaker 3: If you saw you then maybe because like America's got talent.

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Speaker 2: Reactions, Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say, where they're like,

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Speaker 1: I remember walking off the field, which that was just

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Speaker 5: I'm curious.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let's get started, let's go into it.

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Speaker 1: I like, have these things in my life that just

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Speaker 1: I guess you could call it. Maybe you're looking for

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying anything. I like your story. Don't cater

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Speaker 5: I'm a big believer in it.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: But dragonflies have always been that for me. I will

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Speaker 5: It was crazy.

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Speaker 3: Where have you seen it? Today?

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Speaker 1: We were sitting getting these coffees and the girl cross

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Speaker 5: We rolled in here. It was exactly one eighteen eighteen.

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Speaker 3: What's special about that number? I couldn't tell you, but

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Speaker 1: Yes, dude, all the time. It's crazy. I can't explain it.

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Speaker 2: So you had dragonflies and number eighteen. There was there

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Speaker 5: I just wish I could go back and give her

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll get to that too.

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Speaker 2: I want to say what I was going to say

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Speaker 2: I wasn't like going, oh, I don't believe. Well, I

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Speaker 2: mean I wish I could. I just had this conversation

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you're walking next to a tennis court.

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Speaker 2: cool that you can, yeah, because it's only bringing positivity

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Speaker 3: There's no reason for you not to.

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Speaker 5: Big time.

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Speaker 2: So you see these dragonflies? Have they ever popped up

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Speaker 1: It's usually times that I'm like have like kind of

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Speaker 1: like questions, uneasy feelings about things like maybe I'm just

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Speaker 1: having a shitty.

447
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Speaker 5: Day or whatever.

448
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Speaker 3: Do you have any dragonfly tattoos on you?

449
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Speaker 5: I don't. That's what I want to get. I have some.

450
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Speaker 1: I don't have an eighteen yet, but I have my

451
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Speaker 1: hometown area code.

452
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Speaker 3: That's cool.

453
00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,920
Speaker 5: Got a moon back here because.

454
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Speaker 1: Like, one of the first songs I sang with my

455
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Speaker 1: grandparents was moon River. And then I've got this little

456
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Speaker 1: like inside joke between me and my man moon River.

457
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Speaker 3: That's quote Willie, what's that? What? Moon River? Which version

458
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Speaker 3: of it?

459
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,720
Speaker 5: Oh? The Breakfast at Tiffany's version?

460
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Speaker 3: Okay, so different, Audrey? Oh even old, yeah, so even

461
00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:10,960
Speaker 3: even older.

462
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Speaker 2: That song's been done by so many people, so many

463
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Speaker 2: wonderful ways.

464
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Speaker 3: That song. Probably you have really great memories attached to

465
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Speaker 3: right if you sing it with your grandparents?

466
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, big time. Yeah, that's why I got

467
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Speaker 1: this is it just it reminds me of them. I'm

468
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Speaker 1: super close to my family.

469
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Speaker 3: Are your grandparents still alive?

470
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Speaker 5: They are on both sides.

471
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Speaker 1: I'm so lucky and I always I talk about my

472
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Speaker 1: nana a lot because I look up to her so much.

473
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Speaker 1: I grew up super close to my mom's parents and

474
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Speaker 1: practically like raised me in a lot of ways too,

475
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Speaker 1: Like I felt like I had another set of parents

476
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Speaker 1: growing up. But my nana just has this appreciation for

477
00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,080
Speaker 1: little things, has a piece about her have. I grew

478
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Speaker 1: up in a very loud, like chaotic everybody has strong opinions,

479
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Speaker 1: just say what you're feeling, blunt, that kind of vibe,

480
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Speaker 1: and that's not my comfort zone. Like I'm a much

481
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Speaker 1: more quiet kind of an introvert sometimes. And me and

482
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Speaker 1: her just kind of had that bond, Like I see

483
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Speaker 1: a lot of myself and her, and I looked up

484
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Speaker 1: to her so much growing up.

485
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Speaker 3: That's cool my grandma, when I have heard, she adopted

486
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Speaker 3: me for a long time. So that's her. That's my

487
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Speaker 3: mom all the way. For those that can only hear,

488
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Speaker 3: which is most of you, I'm showing her my tattoos

489
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Speaker 3: right now, and so but I have the state of Arkansas.

490
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Speaker 3: You know, you have your little.

491
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Speaker 2: Uh oh yeahs, like where you're from. Yeah, So okay,

492
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 2: so you're nine, you do the game, you're ten, you're

493
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Speaker 2: here riding. Are you going back and forth before you

494
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Speaker 2: move here at all? Or did you just come at

495
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Speaker 2: ten and say I'm out.

496
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Speaker 5: We did quarterly trips. Wow. And when I say we,

497
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Speaker 5: it was mostly me and my parents would come out.

498
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Speaker 3: He had some crazy support.

499
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Speaker 1: Crazy and I at the time like, I think I

500
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Speaker 1: probably took a lot of it for granted, because you're

501
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Speaker 1: ten years.

502
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Speaker 3: Old posed to you're ten or eleven. Yeah, of course,

503
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Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen.

504
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Speaker 5: You're like, this is life, this is my life, this

505
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Speaker 5: is how it is.

506
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Speaker 1: But looking back, like you know, amongst my friends, like

507
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Speaker 1: hearing their stories of how they got to town, and

508
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 1: so many people are coming here on their own, like

509
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 1: straight out of college, know nothing about it, but just

510
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 1: have this blind passion. And I have so much respect,

511
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Speaker 1: like the respect in the world for pursuing it that way,

512
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: because I never knew what it was like to have

513
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Speaker 1: parents or family that didn't wholeheartedly like believe and support

514
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Speaker 1: and just feed those passions. They they are, yeah, and

515
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Speaker 1: they live here now, so they would take these quarterly

516
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Speaker 1: trips with me.

517
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Speaker 5: Sometimes we drive, which is twelve hours.

518
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Speaker 3: I've done it before.

519
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Speaker 5: You have, Man, it's a lot.

520
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Speaker 3: There's not a lot. There's a it's a pretty not

521
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Speaker 3: interesting drive.

522
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Speaker 1: There's a Chick fil A in Lynchburg. We'd pass and

523
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Speaker 1: stop it. But uh yeah, they sacrificed so much, seriously,

524
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Speaker 1: and from those trips just back and forth, I learned

525
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: so much about the industry and like got to know

526
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Speaker 1: the community, found some early champions that got me started.

527
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Speaker 1: I mean like b and I, Leslie Fram I just sorry,

528
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Speaker 1: Leslie Roberts. It's too many incredible Leslies in this town.

529
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Speaker 1: But Leslie Roberts at BMI, I met super young, and she.

530
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Speaker 5: Was one of those people.

531
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Speaker 1: I just saw her yesterday and we were talking about

532
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Speaker 1: just how far everything's come, and she's gotten to see

533
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Speaker 1: me grow up in.

534
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Speaker 5: So many ways.

535
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people I can point to you

536
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: like that, but just found those early champions that were

537
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Speaker 1: willing to help me and get me connected.

538
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Speaker 5: And that's the special thing I think about Nashville.

539
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like that in La or

540
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Speaker 1: these other music cities, but it feels like people genuinely

541
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Speaker 1: just want to help you end up where you're supposed

542
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Speaker 1: to be and help you along that path.

543
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Speaker 5: Do you find that.

544
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Speaker 2: I've been a troublemaker a lot, so mostly I was

545
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Speaker 2: fighting people the first few years I was here once

546
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Speaker 2: come on mostly so yes, I've seen that now and

547
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Speaker 2: then I think now I have some rely great relationships.

548
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Speaker 2: But I came into this town like a bull in

549
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Speaker 2: the china shop. It was just like I was different.

550
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 2: So I just took everybody on, even people I didn't

551
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Speaker 2: need to take on, Like there was I look back

552
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: at when I moved here ten years ago and I go, dang,

553
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Speaker 2: I wish I wuldn't been so aggressive.

554
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Speaker 3: Wow, But I learned.

555
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Speaker 2: You know, I messed up a lot, got find a

556
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: million bucks here. You know a lot of things happened.

557
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Speaker 2: But I think you're onto something. I think country music

558
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: there's more of an investment from the consumer, the listener

559
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 2: to the artist, from the artist to the label. And

560
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: it's still a business, and it's always going to be

561
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: a business. But you're right, this is much more of

562
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Speaker 2: a town of long term investment because the people that

563
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 2: are here are mostly going to stay here, even if

564
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Speaker 2: they're not at the same label or same publishing company,

565
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Speaker 2: and so yeah, I think I do see that now

566
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Speaker 2: where a lot of people do that. And when you're

567
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Speaker 2: here with your family and at you're fourteen fifteen, they

568
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Speaker 2: just moved.

569
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Speaker 3: Who all moved?

570
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Speaker 2: And what was that conversation like? Because again, that's awesome

571
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Speaker 2: that they were that supportive.

572
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Speaker 5: Crazy.

573
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Speaker 1: The catalyst really for the move so young was I

574
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Speaker 1: got an offer for a publishing deal. I've been meeting

575
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Speaker 1: with publishers and got my first offer.

576
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Speaker 3: At how old it was?

577
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Speaker 5: Fourteen?

578
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Speaker 3: They offered you money like a publishing deal, like a

579
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Speaker 3: salary at fourteen years old. That is wild.

580
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Speaker 1: And when I couldn't even drive myself to rights that

581
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: that is what old crazy?

582
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Speaker 3: So who do they offer it to your parents? They

583
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Speaker 3: have to offer to your parents.

584
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Speaker 1: My parents had to sign, I think, yeah, but they

585
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Speaker 1: offered it to me technically.

586
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Speaker 3: But could they?

587
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Speaker 2: But fourteen I couldn't work in Arkansas. We had to

588
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Speaker 2: be sixteen to actually have a real job.

589
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Speaker 1: You know what's funny. I think we had to set

590
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Speaker 1: up like a separate account to put the money into

591
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Speaker 1: that I couldn't touch until I was like a certain age.

592
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Speaker 1: There was like all these laws and stuff that went

593
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Speaker 1: into it because I was so young. I think actually

594
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Speaker 1: Taylor was fourteen when she signed too. There's a couple

595
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Speaker 1: other people that were that young. But I got that

596
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Speaker 1: first offer, and at that point we had taken so

597
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Speaker 1: many trips and my parents just kind of saw what

598
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Speaker 1: was happening here and that I.

599
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Speaker 5: Was just where I was meant to be.

600
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Speaker 3: Did they like it here?

601
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Speaker 5: They loved it. How can you not have Nashville special?

602
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Speaker 3: Do you have brothers and sisters?

603
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Speaker 1: I have three younger brothers, so they all picked up

604
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Speaker 1: the entire family and we moved February of twenty fifteen.

605
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Speaker 1: I think it was literally like on my dad's birthday

606
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Speaker 1: or the day after something.

607
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 5: We were driving up and we had.

608
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Speaker 1: This massive U haul and the day before we left,

609
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: it dumped snow like it was a freaking ice storm.

610
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this as like seven

611
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 5: eight years ago, but it was a crazy ice storm here.

612
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Speaker 3: It was eighteen inches. Yes, I'm just kidding, eighteen I

613
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 3: just want to.

614
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Speaker 5: It was absolutely eighteen inches.

615
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Speaker 1: Well dud, but yeah, we moved here in the middle

616
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Speaker 1: of all that insanity and just started writing like full time,

617
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Speaker 1: you know.

618
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Speaker 2: Took the publishing deal I did. How many years was

619
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Speaker 2: that deal for man.

620
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Speaker 5: That was I think I was there three or four.

621
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Speaker 3: H three or four years. You write anything good?

622
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Speaker 5: I wrote a lot of great stuff. I learned a lot.

623
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Speaker 5: I wrote a lot of bad stuff too. Yes, you

624
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Speaker 5: have to get to the good stuff.

625
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Speaker 1: But I've those years were just learning, Like I got

626
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: to write with so many incredible writers. Tommy Lee James

627
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: was at the company and kind of took me under

628
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: his waging a little bit and was an early mentor

629
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Speaker 1: of mine and John Randall. Like I had a lot

630
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Speaker 1: of people like that surrounding me that I just learned

631
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: so much from just being in the room watching how

632
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: they craft these songs.

633
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Speaker 3: Were you singing it all?

634
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Speaker 1: Like?

635
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Speaker 5: Were you playing like shows things like that?

636
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, like songwriter nights or shows or like mini showcases

637
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: even if nobody came.

638
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: Not showcases so much, but I did a lot of rounds.

639
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: I played the Bluebird several times, which is so special.

640
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 5: Timpan South a few times.

641
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Speaker 3: How'd you feel about performing as a kid here?

642
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 5: Loved it? Okay, I loved every second it.

643
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: Did you like performing more than writing? We're using writing

644
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Speaker 2: to get to the performance part or did you think

645
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Speaker 2: you may just be a songwriter? Like what was the

646
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: goal at I mean, you moved here, so now you

647
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: have to have goals. So now you're yeah, you're still

648
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: a kid, but you just made a career decision at fourteen,

649
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Speaker 2: so you have to have goals.

650
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Speaker 3: What was your goal at fourteen or fifteen?

651
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew I wanted to be an artist,

652
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: like even from that age, like I saw myself selling

653
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: out arenas stadiums. I had big vision, like I just

654
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: wanted to get my music out every everywhere.

655
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 5: But I knew it had to start with music.

656
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: Like songwriting and being an artist always went hand in

657
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Speaker 1: hand for me. I think writing songs is what made

658
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: me want to be an artist. I don't think I

659
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: had those dreams until I had something to say.

660
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Speaker 6: Hang ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

661
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 6: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

662
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Speaker 3: Were you an impatient kid?

663
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Speaker 5: Though?

664
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Speaker 2: When you got here you're fifteen, You're like, yo, you

665
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Speaker 2: should put me on a huge stage. I need to

666
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Speaker 2: be playing arenas right now.

667
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Speaker 5: Oh man.

668
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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm always at war with that because

669
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Speaker 1: I it's part of being young too. I think you're

670
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: just like it's like I want to go, like you

671
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: just want to run, but this it feels like this

672
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: business is very much like a hurry.

673
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 5: Up and wait kind of thing, so I'm always at war.

674
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: It's like part of me wants to get to that

675
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: next level, so bad get to that next thing. You're

676
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: always looking ahead at what can I do, how can

677
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: I get there?

678
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'll never stop with you,

679
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: never it doesn't stop with me.

680
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 5: I feel like we're very similar to that.

681
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: Way, just like and I'm constantly and don't don't feel

682
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: any fault for being like confident and proud, especially with me,

683
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: because like I've always thought I'm gonna be the biggest

684
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: thing ever and if I did, nobody else would. So

685
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: I have no problem and no shame on saying that,

686
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: because if I don't again, nobody else will. And I

687
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: definitely feel the confidence in you, but not in a

688
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: way of like arrogance.

689
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: Again, you have to believe I appreciate that.

690
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: It's like I was just talking to somebody about this yesterday,

691
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: another artist's it's almost like you have to have this

692
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: balance of being overconfident to the point where you have

693
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: the audacity to put yourself out there to be like,

694
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: I have something to say and people need to hear

695
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: it and think you're good enough to do it. But

696
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: at the same time in insecurity, absolutely that makes you

697
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: want to be better.

698
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wild and secure. I'm super confident, wildly ansecure.

699
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 5: It feels like, yeah, it's right.

700
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: It's this perfect like balance and that's maybe why we're

701
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: so crazy as artists and doing what we do.

702
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: But I mean, think about the fact that we think

703
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: people should pay money to come watch us do what

704
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: we create in our brain. I mean, you gotta be

705
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: pretty whatever word you want to use, confident, arrogant, cocky,

706
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. But crazy is the word that I

707
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: go back to because for me to go, all right,

708
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to theater and I'm gonna there's gonna

709
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: be fifteen hundred seats. I'm gonna tall jokes, and I

710
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: think people need to pay sixty seventy dollars a ticket?

711
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 5: Right?

712
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: Who thinks that? You're like what kind of weirdo?

713
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 5: Make me?

714
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: And then yes, And then it turns into the exact

715
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 2: opposite where I'm like, oh my god, they probably want

716
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: to leave.

717
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 3: Oh they're not having a good time? So am I

718
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: even that? Funny? I have what are they imposter syndrome?

719
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 5: Like so big time.

720
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: I battle that angel and that devil of you suck

721
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: and everybody knows you suck and you're faking it versus No.

722
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: You're kind of You're the best. You should have huge

723
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 3: things happening to you.

724
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: It's the weirdest thing.

725
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: But you almost have to have that to be this crazy,

726
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: to do this you do and you're crazy, young.

727
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 5: Young, I've always been crazy.

728
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: You got paid at fourteen to write songs?

729
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

730
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: I in some ways it's weird because I feel like

731
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: I've always lived in this like fantasy world in a way,

732
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: like I just I had those dreams as a kid

733
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of I feel like a lot of

734
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: times you have these crazy visions when you're a kid

735
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, one day, I'm gonna be an astronaut,

736
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be whatever it is. But my like I

737
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: was crazy enough to actually do it and still now

738
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: be doing it. So I think in a way, it's

739
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: like I've always lived in this world that I've just

740
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: kind of made up in my mind, and now it's

741
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: a reality and it's kind of crazy.

742
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: I always thought it was weird that people didn't know

743
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: what they wanted to do, because when I was five

744
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: or six. My grandmother kept it and it was like,

745
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: what do you want to be when you grow up?

746
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is easy.

747
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: I want to be a comedian. I want to be

748
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: on the radio, want to be on TV. I knew

749
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: from kindergarten. Wow, And I thought all my friends were crazy.

750
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys don't know what you how

751
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: do you not know? And I knew from you know, five?

752
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: And I feel like you knew from seven, eight nine,

753
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: you know from that age, which as I get older,

754
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: I realize is not common.

755
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you what you ask me, Is

756
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: there anything that you thought about doing other than those things?

757
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: Never?

758
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: I've done other things other than those three things, like

759
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: I write books or I'll but no, it's I never

760
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: even had a plan B because I didn't want to

761
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: give myself an option to quit plan A.

762
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

763
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: And there were I mean, and I was poor broke forever,

764
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: not just broke, but like poor broke. When ear broke

765
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: mean you don't have anybody you can ask for money?

766
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: Like poor broke is that you got nothing. They ain't

767
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: got anything. Yeah, nobody even to ask if you do

768
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: have I was poor broke forever and so but I

769
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: was never But it's easy to keep going if you're

770
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 2: not used to having anything ever anyway, And so I

771
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: never was, like there was never a Plan B for me.

772
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: I feel like plan b's are just the enemy of

773
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Plan A, like they're gonna sabotage.

774
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: The two enemies that I found in One I try

775
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: to avoid now is now that I have success on

776
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: a big level is I don't want to get comfortable.

777
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: And it's easy to get comfortable when you start to

778
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: make a lot of money and you start to travel

779
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: nice and you start to have all these things you

780
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: can do in your free and you're gonna come to

781
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: this too, to a point where you're like, oh man.

782
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: I can just do this.

783
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: I got a little money, now, I could just But

784
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 2: comfort is the also the enemy of it.

785
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: And complacent.

786
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: I guess I will never.

787
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: Get complacent because I always think I'm getting screwed over

788
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: by somebody unfairly or by something.

789
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: You need to unpack that, oh I do. I'm in

790
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: therapy all the time. I love it.

791
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 5: It's shocking.

792
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in therapy.

793
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: I feel like this combo got so deep and I'm here.

794
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: For I live in therapy. So and what you're gonna

795
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: see too.

796
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: What's really cool about watching kind of your Spaceship shoot

797
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: up is that, you know, you talk about the last couple

798
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: of years are not crazy, it's been Once you start

799
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: to have even more success, which you're gonna have, you

800
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: are gonna be even more tired, and you're gonna work

801
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: so hard, and you're gonna be so lucky to be

802
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: so exhausted, and you can have to check in with

803
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: yourself sometimes and be thankful that you're that exhausted, because

804
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: most of the time you're just gonna be tired and pissed.

805
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: You're like, I've been flying, my throat's sore, I'm never home,

806
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: and that's okay to feel that way. But every once

807
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: in a while you got to go, oh, this is

808
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: what I wanted, Like, I'm so lucky to be this tired.

809
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: That's a great way to look at it. It's like,

810
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: you work hard, so you can work harder.

811
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: That's it.

812
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: And you'll reach depths of being tired you've never been

813
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: and it's okay, and you can get upset. You just

814
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: try not to be upset at people and try to

815
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: remember every once in a while that you're so lucky

816
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: to be this tired, and it is a weird mindset

817
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: to have, man, because all you want to do is

818
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: be angry at everything.

819
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: You're just tired and hungry.

820
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 2: And but you're already on that track, and so it's

821
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: about to happen for you where you're just gonna be

822
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: so exhausted. You're like, I gotta go do a stupid

823
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: morning show. I got to go now and do this

824
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: interview over here, and in between, you're like, I'm so

825
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: lucky to be this tired. That's all I wanted to

826
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: do since God Danks, I was like seven years old.

827
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so true.

828
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: I people come up to me sometimes and they're like,

829
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: how are you, Like are you doing okay? You've been

830
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: going crazy, Like you've got to be exhausted, And.

831
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 5: I hope I always keep this perspective I have now.

832
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like I very much am just

833
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: in that grateful place where I'm like, so many people

834
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: work exactly as hard as I am, are as exactly

835
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: as tired as I am right now, and still never

836
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: get this opportunity, never get to be in this position

837
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: where I am right now, and I would never I

838
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: would never take that for granted. Like the only thing

839
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: I want to do is work harder. And it's like,

840
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, talking again about that younger me, like nine,

841
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: ten years old. I think about her and how badly

842
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: she wanted all of this and just had these dreams

843
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: that never never knew they were gonna actually happen, or

844
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: that she would get this opportunity, and I feel like

845
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm just doing it for her.

846
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: Well, what would you tell nine year old you just

847
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: walking off the field, a wrigular field, you just crush

848
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: the anthem. Everybody's like, ah, so you're kind of on

849
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: a high at nine though, but you're like, I'm nine,

850
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: what's going to happen?

851
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: You get five minutes? What do you tell yourself? But

852
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: no psych no stuff like invest in apple. You can't

853
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: do that. So it's no like Genie, of course.

854
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 5: That's where your head goes.

855
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I was going for the sappie like meaningful stuffs.

856
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: I would cheat and be like here's who wins the

857
00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: super Bowl?

858
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 5: Nothing like that, like fulling back to the future.

859
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: Yes I would.

860
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: I think I would. That's a deep question.

861
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: But the first thing that came to mind is just

862
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: be patient and be present. And present has been a

863
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: big word for me, Like this year, specifically because I.

864
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 5: Starting to realize what it's like to.

865
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: Like have a whole week and look back and be like,

866
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea what just happened, Like I really

867
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: can't remember. I can't remember how we got to the

868
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: airport this morning. I can't remember what happened after the

869
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: show last night. Like you just have these I don't

870
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: know if you feel this, because you're just going crazy too,

871
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: but it's almost like these holes in your memory where

872
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: you're just on autopilot, going, going, going, and you forget

873
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: to take in these moments and actually be in it.

874
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 5: And what's the point of that?

875
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: I hear you. I know you're way advanced at twenty

876
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: two than I was at twenty two because I was

877
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: not smart enough even though that was a concept to

878
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: be present.

879
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: It was just run. And now I look back and

880
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even remember that, right, don't. So yeah,

881
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: I didn't until like three or four years ago. I

882
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: didn't start practicing being present, and I'm still not great

883
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: with it.

884
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: I love my phone too. I cannot have enough phone.

885
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 5: I'm with you there, I mean, I just.

886
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: It's my I can have friends on the phone, I

887
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: can be entertained I can watch TV, so sometimes even

888
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: the phone gets in my way of being present at Tames.

889
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: So yes, doing forty things at once, but being on

890
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: my phone, it's very difficult. But I now, like you're saying, like, okay,

891
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: if you don't, if you're not present for this stuff,

892
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: why it wasn't important, Like you're acting like it's a

893
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: huge deal and now you're here, yet you're still not

894
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 2: even that present. You're worried about something else, or you're

895
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: focused on you know a lot of things that aren't

896
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: a priority.

897
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: So good for you. And you can't be present all.

898
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: The time, you can't always.

899
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: But you can prioritize what you want to actually like

900
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: keep dear to you and be present during those.

901
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: You gotta try, And that would be my worst, Like

902
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: I would regret it so much if I got years

903
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: down the road looking back and I just never really

904
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: soaked up these moments because I also have so many

905
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: people like just giving me advice, being like you're gonna

906
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: miss these times, Like I know you're tired.

907
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 5: I know it's a grind, Like we're right now, we.

908
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Run on the bus, we're in rental cars and planes

909
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's hard.

910
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, but people are like.

911
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: This passion, this fire, this like intensity that you have

912
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: right now. It's it's never gonna be like this again,

913
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: so like soak it up.

914
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 5: And so I don't want to forget any of this.

915
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: There's so many cool moments happening, I feel like every

916
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: single day.

917
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: So yeah, just being present.

918
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 6: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to

919
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 6: the Bobby Cast.

920
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: How are you keeping notes for songs? Let's say you're

921
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: it's a Wednesday, and you're stopping to get some coffee

922
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: and some tea.

923
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 5: Is it any Wednesday Thursdays?

924
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we're all up. Check.

925
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: So let's say I'll have a great idea for a song.

926
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: It's called coffee and tea.

927
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: What do you do? Immediately?

928
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 5: I get on my phone.

929
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: I either if it's a melody, which a lot of

930
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: times it is for me. First, I'm a very melodic writer.

931
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: I'll pop in my voice notes and like make a

932
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: voice memo.

933
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 5: And sometimes I listen back the next day and I'm like,

934
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: what the heck were you thinking? Like this is a mess.

935
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I can hear more of like the background noise or

936
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: if I'm driving, whatever's going on, I'm like, this is

937
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: terrible I'm never gonna use.

938
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: This, but yeah, sing a gibberish melody. Let's say you go,

939
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: but is it copy of teabat taboo boo? Is that

940
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: what you're leaving in there all the time?

941
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: So no, no, no, no, whatever. It is like absolute gibberish.

942
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of times that's how I'll like when

943
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: I sit down at the piano, when I get in

944
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: rooms with other people, I do the exact same thing,

945
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: And a lot.

946
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 5: Of ways that's my process.

947
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: Because I end up finding vowel sounds I like, or

948
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: a title will freaking fall out or words, and I'll

949
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: be like, that's it, Like we need to write around that.

950
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: There's been so many songs that have started that way.

951
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 5: I mean twenty something, for example, which is the.

952
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: Title track of my album, was that, Like I was

953
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: just at the piano one morning, had this like melody

954
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: line in my head, sat down and just ended up

955
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: singing twenty.

956
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 5: Something in the midst of my mumbles.

957
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: So I definitely do sing gibberish melodies all the time.

958
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: And I really do need to get better about titling

959
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: my voice memos though.

960
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: Because if you look through it, it's literally like.

961
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: New recording fifteen thousand, forty five, New recording fifteen thouty six,

962
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, I have no idea, It's an undertaking,

963
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 1: like I have anxiety about going through my voice memo.

964
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: That's funny that it's just all randomly when you get

965
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: a melody, man, but maybe it is random if you

966
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: get a melody, though, and let's say, yet, d da

967
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: da da da da?

968
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: Are you like, Okay, this one sounds, but how do

969
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 3: you title that? I guess this is my question too,

970
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: because you don't know vibe atmosphere would described.

971
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: I try to describe it or like epic stadium ballad,

972
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: like whatever, whatever, whatever comes to mind.

973
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 3: I don't know you should I will you be somewhere

974
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: quiet and you do it quiet, or we leave and

975
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: do it.

976
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: If you have one, you just die quiet sometimes quiet.

977
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't leave.

978
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 5: Do you ever do that? Do you get melodies at

979
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 5: random times?

980
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 3: I get funny ideas?

981
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, if I'm writing jokes, I will

982
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 2: just take a concept.

983
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: I just pull some up.

984
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: I think I have some here, and you're far more

985
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: advanced than I am in that by far. But like

986
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: I have things that it's called song ideas, and I

987
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: just write down. Yeah, I need to fix one. One

988
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: funny song that I wrote for stage and it says fix.

989
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: The song called in Laws.

990
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: I have a idea about a dude who did drives

991
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: a huge truck, and it's like, is he haven't been

992
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: live crisis or does you just hate the environment?

993
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: Right?

994
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: So it's like so, and they're not fully formed jokes,

995
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: and some of them aren't even that funny. And then

996
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: a song that I wanted to write called plural rural

997
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: Murals and it's really hard to say, but and then

998
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: you can.

999
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 5: I don't even know what you just said, plural rural murals,

1000
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 5: plural rural.

1001
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: So it's multiple countryside paintings, right, that potential and you

1002
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: get the whole crowd to sing plural rural murals, but

1003
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: they can't eat.

1004
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: I can barely say it, so they can't even say

1005
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: it right, it's so. And then I have.

1006
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: I have a really dumb one that I'll never write

1007
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: about a guy who meets a girl sounds like a

1008
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: traditional lesson and they kind of fall in love until

1009
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: you find something out about her and she's she's never

1010
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: been potty trained, even as a kid, so she still

1011
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 2: has no idea how.

1012
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 5: To does she wear diapers.

1013
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: Well, that's part of the story I just have she's

1014
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: never been poty trained, written in my phone.

1015
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 5: I've got adult diapers.

1016
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: I haven't even thought about that since I wrote that line.

1017
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: But you're right, some of it you look at and

1018
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: it's and yours are obviously melodies, mind are ridiculous.

1019
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 5: A lot of it's ridiculous.

1020
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: Yes, eighty percent of the stuff I write I never

1021
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: can get back into. But I need it for that

1022
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: twenty that I do find that I can really start

1023
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: to ding ding ding on.

1024
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 5: It's so true.

1025
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: If we want people to think we're any decent at all,

1026
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: we should never show these people.

1027
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 5: So anyone these if.

1028
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: Anyone heard the potty train story, they may you know,

1029
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: I share that with you being vulnerable right here, Mike,

1030
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: I have ever shared the potty train.

1031
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: No, I'd buy that movie rights for the Girl the

1032
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: Love Story. Yeah, that's a great potty train.

1033
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is you might actually find some

1034
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: people out there that relate.

1035
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 5: They're like, oh my god, that happened to me. That

1036
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 5: would be ridicul You might find the one do.

1037
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: You ever find a melody that you did a long

1038
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 3: time ago?

1039
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh yeah, and then you are like,

1040
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: I'm reinspired by this that I did, and now let me.

1041
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 3: Write this song, dude.

1042
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: Actually sometimes which is surprising, because I'm literally getting like

1043
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: five melodies a day, Like it's so much. That's why,

1044
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: that's why I have anxiety about my voice, mammas, because I'm.

1045
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 5: Like, there's just so much to go through.

1046
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: You have everybody else go through them? Or again?

1047
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 5: Are you absolutely not? I wouldn't put anyone else.

1048
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: Through that, I agree, not yours, my.

1049
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 5: No, mine too.

1050
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: But I every once in a while, I'll usually wake

1051
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: up sometimes I'll wake up with these melodies in my

1052
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: head and I'm like, what is that? And I'll realize

1053
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: it's from years ago, something that I started still just.

1054
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: Kind of hanging around.

1055
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's a special sign when you haven't

1056
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: forgotten it after that long, right, So I don't know,

1057
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: maybe they'll turn.

1058
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 5: Into something one day.

1059
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: What about an old song that you wrote a long

1060
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: time ago that kind of comes back and you're.

1061
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, that was good. It's not there, but

1062
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: let me work on it again. Has it ever happened.

1063
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 5: That hasn't happened specifically?

1064
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: And maybe it's because right now I'm so inspired by

1065
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: just writing in the moment and kind of taking my

1066
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: fans along with me on this journey. You know, my

1067
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: album being titled twenty something, it's very much like this

1068
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: is life right now, and so I feel a responsibility

1069
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 1: to write about what I'm going through in real time.

1070
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to take a page from five years

1071
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: ago and put in a.

1072
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 5: Current diary right five years ago.

1073
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: For me, for like seventeen right, I was reading, well,

1074
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: you talk about your album. I just want to read

1075
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: you the first line of what whomever sent over the

1076
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: album's about choosing to embrace that uncertainty and the inevitable volatility,

1077
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: volatility of her twenties. Now, you say that you've met

1078
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: a lot of or you dated a bunch.

1079
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: Of unquality guys. Is that what you said at the

1080
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: beginning of this something?

1081
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 5: Very nice way to put it.

1082
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: Okay, But if I read this headline here embracing the

1083
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: uncertainty and the inevitable of volatility, that also sounds like

1084
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: you may be no walk in the park man.

1085
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: Volatility.

1086
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 5: Volatility, Yeah, that's a word.

1087
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: It is a big one. Yeah, And if that's if

1088
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 3: I'm a guy and I'm like, hey, let me see,

1089
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: oh oh, she says she's balatile.

1090
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 5: I feel kind of called out.

1091
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 3: You said it, not me. That's why I wanted to

1092
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: bring that up.

1093
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 5: You're right.

1094
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is, I think, specifically this first

1095
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: part that just came out, the first six songs on

1096
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: this album are about messing it up. It's about the

1097
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: messy parts of being in your twenties.

1098
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: So you do acknowledge that you're in your twenties, and

1099
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: you also screw.

1100
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 5: Up big time, got it that whole first time.

1101
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: I feel like there's an uncomfortable I have about releasing

1102
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: these these songs, and that's honestly the way I want it.

1103
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Like I think if I was doing if talking about

1104
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: your twenties is an undertaking right because it's so like nuanced.

1105
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: Certainly in your twenties.

1106
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty It's so new advanced for you

1107
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: to be able to do that now in it and

1108
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: say this is what I mean thirties. I can talk

1109
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 2: about my twenties all the time, but you're doing it now.

1110
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 5: And maybe I'll have a different perspective on it then.

1111
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: But I also think there's something special about being in

1112
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: it and talking about as you go. I mean, I

1113
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: just write about my life. I write about my No,

1114
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of these songs are me taking ownership

1115
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: and being like having some distance from those relationships, kind

1116
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: of looking at areas that I screwed up to And

1117
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: it takes two a lot of times. So I think

1118
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be mature and like own up a

1119
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 3: Do you think you have bad tasting guys?

1121
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 5: I think everyone knows I have bad tasting guys, including me.

1122
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 3: I don't know that I have.

1123
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 5: Bad tasting guys. Yeah, the track record shows.

1124
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 3: Do you have a type?

1125
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: I have a type, but not as much like physical.

1126
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: More it's more of a vibe like emotional. I guess

1127
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm very much an emotional connection.

1128
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: Do you need an emo, dude?

1129
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 5: I need a deep person.

1130
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.

1131
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if we'd call that emo. Is that

1132
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 5: the same thing?

1133
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: No, not always.

1134
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: I need somebody who is pretty in touch with their

1135
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: like emotional side for sure. Like if we can't get

1136
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: to that depth, then I don't I'm not in it.

1137
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: Which is hard for a lot of dudes because they

1138
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: haven't been taught or allowed culturally to go to those

1139
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: places inside. You know, they may have masculine influences that

1140
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: are like, we don't get sad, we don't cry, we

1141
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: don't feel, and so not all dudes can do that.

1142
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's probably a lot of truth.

1143
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: To that, but that connection, that connection, that's why it's

1144
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: probably so rare for me, Bobby, Like, I don't connect

1145
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: with a lot of people on a deep level.

1146
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 5: It's a pretty rare thing for me.

1147
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: So I think part of my problem is when I

1148
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: do find someone that I'm like, ooh, I feel something

1149
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: like interesting, I connect with you, I'm intrigued, I go

1150
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: kind of all in. I tend to get wrapped up

1151
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: in it. And I'm a very much all or nothing person,

1152
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: which I.

1153
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 5: Think I'm trying to.

1154
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a bad thing or if

1155
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: I just haven't found the right thing to be all

1156
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: in on, but I think that's part of it, is

1157
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: I full send and then really quickly kind of.

1158
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 5: Start to realize this is not good.

1159
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: Like I why do three parts the album?

1160
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: It made sense to me because I kind of processed

1161
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: writing these songs in my twenties.

1162
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 5: So far in these three separate phases.

1163
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of times when you feel

1164
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: like you're messing it up and you're missing reflax and

1165
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: you're getting things wrong and you're not trusting your gut,

1166
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: and you have the.

1167
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 5: Messy side of it.

1168
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: And then there's been moments where I'm kind of just

1169
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: stumbling my way through and feeling like I'm kind of

1170
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: understanding things better. And then I've also had moments where

1171
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm on top of the world, living my best life,

1172
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: feeling like I got everything together, which is usually not

1173
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: the case, but it feels like it in the moment,

1174
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: And there's all these different sides of it. So I

1175
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: thought it'd be cool to take fans along that journey

1176
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: with me. And it's also a way to give the

1177
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: songs a chance to really be heard and digested. Because

1178
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: I'm a new artist and dropping like eighteen songs.

1179
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: It was a lot. I agree completely.

1180
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a lot to ask of people

1181
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, boom.

1182
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 5: Here's eighteen songs, now, go listen.

1183
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: So this way I can do six at a time

1184
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: and give the music a chance to be heard.

1185
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 6: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

1186
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 6: This is the Bobby Cast.

1187
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: What do you think right now? You're good at ooh,

1188
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 3: that's a general question.

1189
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: Take music out of it, though it is on purpose

1190
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: because to see kind of where you go, because you

1191
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: did say you're very all in and sometimes it's not

1192
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: right and you're kind of doubting or at least not

1193
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: having full confidence in that area. But let's take music

1194
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: out of it. What are you have full confidence in

1195
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: you for right now? It's supposed to be hard and

1196
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: you're not hurd I'll sit here, sit here and have

1197
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: a drinking to you while you think about it.

1198
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny.

1199
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: I'm like realizing how rarely I ask myself that, and

1200
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: that's not good either. Like I tend to the kind

1201
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: of person that focuses on how to be better and

1202
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: like things that I'm doing wrong, and I kind of

1203
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: focus on that because it makes me better and it

1204
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: gets me where I want to go.

1205
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 5: But it's it's so important to kind of look at

1206
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 5: what you're doing right too, Yeah, what are you doing right?

1207
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of where I'm at in a creative standpoint,

1208
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: like as a writer, as a creative like in the

1209
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: music when I'm co writing. I'm also a co producer

1210
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: on a lot of this album, and I'm proud of that.

1211
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: Like I think the past two years, me and my team, like,

1212
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: it's been really important to dive into the creative community

1213
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: in Nashville and put the music first.

1214
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna challenge a little Bitcause'm gonna take a career

1215
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 3: out of this again.

1216
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, you.

1217
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: Know it's okay. I do it all the time.

1218
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: No career, no career. Like, are you a good driver?

1219
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: It doesn't count. I'm gonna give you examples here.

1220
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 3: You're not a good driver. I just saw somebody to

1221
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: shake their head.

1222
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: No, oh I have, I have. I'm a terrible driver. Okay,

1223
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: yeah that my manager was back there calling me out.

1224
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: She didn't call you out. It just happened to see

1225
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: a slight terrible driver. But what are you as a person?

1226
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: What do you Why do people like you?

1227
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 5: I'm a really good cook.

1228
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm I'm listening. Go ahead something.

1229
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 5: This is why people hang out with me, because the.

1230
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: Reason they like to be around. Everybody has things that

1231
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: they contribute. You're a good cook.

1232
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 5: I'm actually proud of this too.

1233
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: I'm kind of self taught, Like I grew up in

1234
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: a house where I'll be like Southern and Virginia is,

1235
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: I guess, kind of a weird cross section it's not northern,

1236
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: it's not southern, like it always felt like is in between.

1237
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: But my family, like my grandparents are from North Carolina

1238
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: kind of so very southern. It was like, you know,

1239
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: gravy and mashed but potatoes and chicken and dumplings and

1240
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: like all of the delicious like biscuits and just southern

1241
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: good cooking. But I kind of try to be healthy.

1242
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: Like over the past few years, I've realized that I

1243
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: feel better when I eat cleaner. So I think that

1244
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: just made me. I was like, I gotta do it myself,

1245
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: Like my mom's not going to cook for me. I

1246
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: gotta kind of figure out how to do this. So

1247
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: I got obsessed with what's making really good salads, making

1248
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: really good healthy food that makes me feel great. So

1249
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: I love I love a good salad. I've actually been

1250
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: told by a lot of people.

1251
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 5: I make the best salad.

1252
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: And people forget to season salads, people forget to like

1253
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: put thought into it.

1254
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever had a best salad.

1255
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 5: Thing like you just you think it's like throwing lettuce

1256
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 5: in a bowl.

1257
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 3: What I do.

1258
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: You gotta like love it, you gotta like take time

1259
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: with it, you gotta season it really well. You gotta

1260
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: put in like a lot of time into the dressing flavors.

1261
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 5: Like storm by it I make.

1262
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: I get like a blender, and you do like you

1263
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: do a bunch of different herbs, olive oil, tahini, avocados.

1264
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: I'll be proud of this too. Make a salad, you know,

1265
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: a big salad guy.

1266
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 5: Maybe I'll convert you lettuce.

1267
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: What's the use? Lettuce is a waste? What kale taste bad?

1268
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: I go through the whole list of why come like

1269
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: big dark, leafy greens. I don't like them, so I

1270
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: drink them.

1271
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 5: You do smoothies.

1272
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: I do juices. Wow. And I don't even like vegetables

1273
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 3: and juice because I don't feel like that's a juice.

1274
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 3: That's more like an evil syrup or something. But I'll

1275
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: do it with my wife.

1276
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: Will have the green juice and put lemon and orange

1277
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: in it, and it'll just I need something sugary. I'm

1278
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: still nine myself. Big leafy greens not really my thing.

1279
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: Fair enough, cupcake guy.

1280
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 5: I totally understand.

1281
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: I will say though, I see the leafy greens as

1282
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: like a vehicle.

1283
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 5: For the rest of it, It's like it's like the

1284
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 5: chip It's like.

1285
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: Which reminds me, say, vehicle, did your dad tell me

1286
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: the story?

1287
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: Not?

1288
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: Your dad drove it uber and would play people's music

1289
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: while in the car.

1290
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 5: How do you know this story that's absolutely accurate?

1291
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: That's what. Yeah. When you said vehicle, I was like,

1292
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'm a dad's true.

1293
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: So my dad is the actual best, Like my parents

1294
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: are pretty much my.

1295
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 5: Number one fans.

1296
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 3: What town was he doing this here? Nashville, Okay?

1297
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: Which is the funny thing because he would end up

1298
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: with people in the car that like, like are in

1299
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: the industry and will come up to me now and

1300
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, your dad one time, like

1301
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: years ago, played me your songs before.

1302
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 5: They were werever out.

1303
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 3: How would you do it?

1304
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 5: I you know, I don't know for sure. This is

1305
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 5: what he told me.

1306
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: He was like he would get in the car and

1307
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: just kind of have it playing in the background. And

1308
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: this was before history breaking up projects, before I released anything,

1309
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: so it was demos that he just would put on

1310
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: a playlist and like have it.

1311
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 5: Playing in the car.

1312
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: And he was always like I would never say anything

1313
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: like I don't bring it up. I just kind of wait,

1314
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: and if somebody asked a question, about the music or

1315
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people would try to share his zam

1316
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: it and they'd be like I can't find it, like

1317
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: who is it? And then he would like just tell

1318
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: him the story. And my dad's a talker, like he

1319
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: loves people. He's just that person and people love my dad.

1320
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: He's just kind of life of the party, center of

1321
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: attention person, and so he would tell him the story

1322
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, oh my god, we're gonna be

1323
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: on the lookout. And there's actually been crowd of a

1324
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: lot of really cool things that come from that, believe

1325
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: it or not. Like Fillmore was in the car one

1326
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: time and we ended up like writing from that and

1327
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: getting connected and putting out a song.

1328
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 3: Together because he was in my dad's super like crazy.

1329
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm his little girl. I'm his only girl,

1330
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 5: his first kid. Like we're so close.

1331
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 3: Does Nashville Is that home to you? Guys? At home home?

1332
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: Because it's home just a question, but it's not home

1333
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: home or is it home to you?

1334
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: It's home, but it's like I still go by home

1335
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: Darkansas and sometimes I'm like the.

1336
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 5: What you just did?

1337
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about Virginia Beach and I describe

1338
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: as to people all the time.

1339
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, it feels like I'm taking a deep.

1340
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: Breath, like it when the plan lanes plant what did

1341
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: I say, plan lanes.

1342
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 5: Put in the plane lands in the lane, in the lane.

1343
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: It feels like I'm taking a deep breath that I

1344
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: can finally like this weight off my shoulders. And I

1345
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: wonder if that's not because, like Nashville, I moved here

1346
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: to do music. Like in a lot of ways, it

1347
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: was work. Like being in Nashville means working. It means NonStop,

1348
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: go go go. There's always somewhere to be, there's always

1349
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: people to hang out with. But when I go back

1350
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: to Virginia, yeah, it does feel like a deep breath

1351
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: the ocean, like I'm the water being by the water.

1352
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: And you talked about this like you're not from the ocean,

1353
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: so you're like, I don't get it, But me, I

1354
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was like to not have it

1355
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: five minutes down the road.

1356
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: It's like with two cousins that are married, I feel

1357
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: perfect around them from Arkansas, you know, that's what we do.

1358
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: So when I'm around all my cousins that are married

1359
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: to each other, I'm like, oh, are you taking the

1360
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: fact you even had to ask. That is also plenty

1361
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: of I have no cousins that are married, but I

1362
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: do relate, and I think that's what it is for

1363
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: me too. I go home and it's like I don't

1364
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: have anything that I have to do here, meaning I

1365
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: don't have any of the pressures that are awesome pressures

1366
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: by the way that I've created myself here, but there,

1367
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: I just don't have that.

1368
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: And it's the same. I get there and I'm just

1369
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 3: like somebody pulled a twenty pounds backpack off of me.

1370
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's a good feeling. Do you have family

1371
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 5: there still?

1372
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: Just a sister? Yeah, and she's there. But we go back.

1373
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: I almost ran for governor of Arkansas last year, and

1374
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 2: so we have a place out there that we don't

1375
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: really go to a whole lot, but I had to

1376
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: have al stair case. I ran, so yes, and she's

1377
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: from Oklahoma. So my wife and I we make we

1378
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: call the hill Billy Trail. We go to Arkansas then Oklahoma.

1379
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: I called the hill Billy Trail. She hates that name,

1380
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: so when I say we, I say it, then she

1381
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: says to calling it that. But we make that trail

1382
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: to Arkansas. My town her town, Oklahoma, then all the

1383
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: way back.

1384
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 5: I think it's awesome.

1385
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 3: What part of Oklahoma from near Tulsa.

1386
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 5: That's so cool?

1387
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: You know, Tulsa is the place I've played my first arena,

1388
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: Boka Center with who Laney as not Laney Wilson. Everybody

1389
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: always thinks it's Laney Wilson, who's actually also incredible. I

1390
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: love her, but it was the pop indie band Laney.

1391
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: And that was my first real tour ever, right out

1392
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: of COVID, because.

1393
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 3: I really, how did you get that to your first

1394
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: tour ever? How did you get that?

1395
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 5: Crazy?

1396
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: So I released a lot of music during COVID when

1397
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't tour obviously, And one of the first things,

1398
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: like me and my manager met about two years ago

1399
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: and we kind of just started building this team. And

1400
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: one of the first things we did was meet with

1401
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: talent agents and we met my agent, Jeffrey Hassen with

1402
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: Uta really early on.

1403
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 3: Are your Uta really so my? Are you? Yeah?

1404
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know usually because you know, when I was

1405
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 2: at TA and I moved to Uta, and usually you're like, oh,

1406
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: it's my Uta part.

1407
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: I didn't know you're a Uta Uta school. Let's go.

1408
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 5: We didn't even know, but Jeffrey's the actual best and

1409
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 5: we met. It was a tail end of COVID. I'll

1410
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 5: never forget it.

1411
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: We sat outside Pinewood Social and he was like double

1412
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: masked up because he was like, I'm not supposed to

1413
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: be meeting with people, but I want to.

1414
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 5: I want to hang out.

1415
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: And one of the first things we talked about was

1416
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: just influences. Who I loved, who I was listening to,

1417
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: Like Goals, and that was one of the bands that

1418
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned because I've loved them since their first EP.

1419
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 5: I was such a fan.

1420
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: And they're actually really connected in Nashville too, like they

1421
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: lived here when to Belmont. A lot of writers are

1422
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: on their records with them from Nashville.

1423
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, yeah, Sasha Sloan.

1424
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 5: Who's here now.

1425
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: But that tour was an absolute dream and it really

1426
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: was just an organic thing. Like I had covered a

1427
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: bunch of their songs, Paul had seen it reposted, like

1428
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: was a fan of the music, and it just made

1429
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot of sense.

1430
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 5: And that tour was fun and it.

1431
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: Also so they just said, hey, yeah, come on come

1432
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: out with us.

1433
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was a team effort. It was

1434
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: from all sides. Jeffrey and Uta like.

1435
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: But you also really enjoyed their music and that's.

1436
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: Just organic, which I'm lucky enough that all of my

1437
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: all the tours I've been a part of, have really

1438
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: been that way.

1439
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 5: I mean, Mitchell was the same way.

1440
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 3: Like I was gonna ask about how did that collaboration

1441
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: come together?

1442
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: So we met writing you Don't Deserve a country song.

1443
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: That was the first song we wrote together, and I

1444
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: again like love his music, such a fan of what

1445
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: he does. He's such an he just so authentic, always himself,

1446
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: and that's I think what his fans love about him too.

1447
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: And we met writing that song and instantly connected. Just

1448
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: from a creative standpoint. We're very much both like kind

1449
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: of emo kids. We laugh about it because we just

1450
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: love that rock emo vibe. I play in this open tuning,

1451
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: and I think once I started playing.

1452
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 5: He was like, oh my god, this is sick. This

1453
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 5: is gonna be great.

1454
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: You play an open tuning. I do open d Yeah,

1455
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 3: why why it's funny.

1456
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: It's a writer showed me this tuning years and years

1457
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: and years ago, and I just never went back, like

1458
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: I fell in love with the way it played with

1459
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: my melodies.

1460
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: Do you feel that you have to manipulate chords or

1461
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: when someone's like, okay, played, well, play a se chord,

1462
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: but it's not the same to you because your tuning

1463
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: is a bit different, right, So it is.

1464
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 5: A little bit of like mental math.

1465
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: And there's some keys like that I can't play in

1466
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: because of the tuning.

1467
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 5: There's like one or two that I can't get to.

1468
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: But for the most part, my way around. Yeah, and

1469
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of become like my signature thing, Like I

1470
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: play on pretty much all my songs and it kind

1471
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: of just is this through line.

1472
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 5: But I love it.

1473
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 3: Mitchell, we're writing that song and then you what. Then

1474
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: He's like, let's sing together.

1475
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well the cloud came later. We started just writing

1476
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: a bunch together.

1477
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 5: Like we've written.

1478
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: I think we've only written four times, believe it in

1479
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: that four or five times, And every single song we've

1480
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: written has ended up on this album, which is special.

1481
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure you know this as a writer, like

1482
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: you write with people in book.

1483
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: You don't can say I'm a dumb writer. Come on,

1484
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: so but you get it, Okay, there's people that you love.

1485
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: Fair I get it, but I'm not like you and

1486
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: that I'm not talented. But anyway, go ahead, I'm gonna fight.

1487
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fight, go ahead.

1488
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: We just bonded, like the fact that we only wrote

1489
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: that many songs and every single one was something that

1490
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: I loved, Like that doesn't happen a lot. So we

1491
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: had that, and then we went on tour together, which

1492
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: was so much fun, and that was.

1493
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 5: Top of last year.

1494
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was solo acoustic on that tour, like

1495
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: forty minutes that I learned so much out there in

1496
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 1: these crazy bars.

1497
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: Forty minutes solo acoustics.

1498
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 5: Forty minutes solo acoustics.

1499
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: Tough.

1500
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 5: I had to work for it.

1501
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: I had to work for it, and it taught me

1502
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: so much about just performing, Like it wasn't about how

1503
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: good I sounded. It wasn't about the songs really, because

1504
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people go in and don't know who

1505
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: I am. They don't care. They just want to have

1506
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: a good time. They want to connect with me as

1507
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: a person. And so I learned to just be in

1508
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: the moment on stage and make moments happen and just

1509
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: connect with the crowd and like have to reel people

1510
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: in just with my voice and my guitar.

1511
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 5: So now when I play full band it's like cakewalk.

1512
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 5: It's like this is easy.

1513
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1514
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: Four final questions. Speaking of collapse, I think are you

1515
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: and Breeland and Brilin too. I just was flipping through

1516
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: and Marcus, who I love, who is a writer?

1517
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: I think it's a picture of you.

1518
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: Guys likes on homie, Yeah, cameras on the ground or

1519
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: something right.

1520
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: My manager actually took that literally two days ago outside

1521
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: the Rhymemen and we always take these like from the

1522
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: ground up, and it's just like become our thing. Because

1523
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm a big sneaker head too, so a lot of

1524
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: times it's like show off the Jordans.

1525
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 5: But Marcus is awesome.

1526
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: And he's written like a bunch of stuff for me

1527
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: and been a fan and he always has the best fits.

1528
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 5: You see his outfit.

1529
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of them and they're all just

1530
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: so good. I can't remember all the yes, but he's

1531
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: always dressed like perfectly. But I saw him and then

1532
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: the Britlant thing near each other on an Instagram feed.

1533
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: So what you guys are together like doing a song?

1534
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1535
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 5: Song or song?

1536
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: His song, his song for what It's Worth, which I

1537
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: loved that song, and he reached out a few months

1538
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: ago and he's awesome.

1539
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 5: He's so good.

1540
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: I saw him for the first time live at Whiskey

1541
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: Jam and this was like I remember because it was

1542
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: his toll team was like, this is the first show

1543
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: he's ever played because some to me, like in COVID

1544
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: released a lot of music, had that one go crazy,

1545
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, you would never know, like just

1546
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: watching him, he's such an entertainer. That was a fun

1547
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: night because it was a whole squad, so many talented people.

1548
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: But he called about gosh three four months ago now

1549
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: maybe longer, I don't know what time is, but he

1550
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: wanted to feature on this song, and he's like, you know,

1551
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: you're my first choice.

1552
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 5: Obviously had written a lot.

1553
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: Of breakup songs, like my first two projects were all

1554
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: break up. So he's like, I feel like you would

1555
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: have a perspective on this, and listening to that song,

1556
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, how many times have I wished an X

1557
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: would say something like this to me? And I felt

1558
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: that way in a lot of ways too. It's like

1559
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier, you own up to

1560
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: mistakes and you kind of look back and you're like, man,

1561
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: I kind of screwed that up. So I immediately like

1562
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: saw myself in it, got in with Liz Rose wrote

1563
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: that singer verse, and it just turned out to be

1564
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,479
Speaker 1: a perfect lab And it's been so cool to see

1565
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: people react to it in a different way.

1566
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 5: And I feel like that perspective it it to me.

1567
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: It felt like that song always wanted to be a collab.

1568
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: Like having both sides of it, I think is really cool.

1569
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 3: Right, three questions left. I want to go to your name.

1570
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: You have to tell people you're not related to Bruce

1571
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: Springsteen all the time.

1572
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: Man, all the time, Like I and I get it,

1573
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: Like there's not a ton of Springsteen's It's coming.

1574
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: Just too justice, literally the only two I know.

1575
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: It's but we're not related. Like there's no there's no

1576
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: to spell the same. It's spelled the exact same. Yeah,

1577
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: it's tough, so like I've dealt with it my dad.

1578
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: It's funny like growing up, people would call their house

1579
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: and be like is Bruce there? And you'd be like

1580
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: always in the shower, Like give me a minute, and

1581
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: just like mess around with people.

1582
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 3: Have you done the family tree thing? You know you're

1583
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 3: not related.

1584
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 5: We haven't yet, we haven't done ancestry.

1585
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 2: So sixth cousin, you almost don't want him to be though,

1586
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: because you don't have to tell that story exactly. Eventually

1587
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: people get and I wasn't evenna ask you about it,

1588
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: but I was like, I bet I want to ask

1589
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: you about getting asked about it.

1590
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, appreciate is that the.

1591
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 3: First question that a lot of people go, So are.

1592
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 5: You starting to change a little bit? Which is good?

1593
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 5: But yeah, people always ask like I'm used to it

1594
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 5: at this point.

1595
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 3: Okay. The other thing is two questions left. Your first

1596
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 3: name not what how most people would say it Elena? Yes? Do?

1597
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: They often say it wrong?

1598
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 5: Always? Well? Often is the right word.

1599
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: I get a Lena, I get a Lana, I get

1600
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: a lot of and two ends. Sometimes it's it's kind

1601
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: of funny, like Starbucks is a nightmare. So I've just

1602
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: started telling you my name is Sam because it's an

1603
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: absolute nightmare.

1604
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: Do you have your people make sure because here's the

1605
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 2: I say this is from an empathetic perspective. When I

1606
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 2: was inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame, Big night

1607
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: for me is the youngest person ever inducted.

1608
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 3: Huge a wow.

1609
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

1610
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: People are flying in to Chicago the big ceremony, and

1611
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: they say, and Bobby Jones are you kidding?

1612
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: No, I'm not kidding. Oh my god. And so it's

1613
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 3: it often happens.

1614
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: Was that like a mental thing for you? Like hearing that,

1615
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: do you go, Oh my god?

1616
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 3: It happens to set you back.

1617
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: It happens enough to where I don't get upset at it.

1618
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: I get a little annoyed, But it's happening less and

1619
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: less because because right same with you, like all this

1620
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: crap here that's kind of annoying. You're gonna have different

1621
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: reasons to be annoyed later. But the Bobby Jones thing,

1622
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: at pretty big parts of my career, they'd be like,

1623
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: and Bobby Jones and sometimes I'm live on television.

1624
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 4: You just go and I just like, don't react, just

1625
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 4: keep going right right right.

1626
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 5: And you have such a cool name that shocks me.

1627
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 3: Then well it's fake name and it's not like a

1628
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: pirate but whatever, it's not a fake Is it a

1629
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 3: fake name? Yeah, my real name is Bobby Estell.

1630
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 5: I did not know that.

1631
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 3: So, and my wife uses my real name because she's like,

1632
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going by Caitlyn Bones. Wow. She's like, that's

1633
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: the dumbest thing you ever heard.

1634
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like, cool, cool, and so she's you know,

1635
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,919
Speaker 2: she goes by Caitlyn Estell.

1636
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, so but you get it, you get it.

1637
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just people by Bobby Jones.

1638
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh so if they get they're like,

1639
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: here's a Lena Springsteen.

1640
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: I internal eye roll, But the show goes on and

1641
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: it's fine. Like I really don't get as annoyed as

1642
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: some of my people on my team do, so it's fine.

1643
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: But I've actually kind of started just having fun with it.

1644
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 5: Like there's been a couple of times.

1645
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: Where they've gone both wrong and it's like Elena Springfield.

1646
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 4: So now.

1647
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 5: I have this alter ego. She's a Lena Springfield. She's

1648
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 5: real country like this, and so sometimes Elena Springfield come

1649
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 5: out and that's the fun.

1650
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: That's funny. All right, final two questions. When you leave

1651
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 2: here today, what we do.

1652
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 5: I'm actually going to the studio today.

1653
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm getting together my producer Will Weatherley and we're working

1654
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: on this song for the album. It's just a kind

1655
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: of I'm simultaneously doing everything at once, like I'm touring

1656
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: while I'm writing, while i'm producing, and that's just the

1657
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: nature of I feel like the way the industry is now,

1658
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: like maybe at some point it'll be more like you

1659
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: write the record, you produce the record, and you tour

1660
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 1: the record.

1661
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 5: Than it continues.

1662
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: But right now it's kind of everything at once, which

1663
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: is has its challenges, but it also, I think is

1664
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: creating a really unique album because I'm just in the

1665
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: thick of it while I'm creating.

1666
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 5: It's fun.

1667
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure you get the Taylor parallels all the time.

1668
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 3: But even when you said you write with Lizzro, you

1669
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: know Liz. I love Liz. She's just the best, actual best.

1670
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 2: And you know, Liz wrote a whole bunch of stuff

1671
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 2: with Taylor early on full albums, Like she's a big

1672
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: part of the reason that Taylor was able to come

1673
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: so hard and so quick here in Nashville. And so

1674
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: when you're write with Liz or you ever, like, man,

1675
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 2: this is super cool.

1676
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's weird and I have to like stop

1677
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: and think about it, and it's pretty surreal. I mean, yeah,

1678
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: those songs that she wrote with Taylor and even live

1679
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: in a little big town like these other artists.

1680
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 3: All the love junkie stuff is it's just all of it.

1681
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 5: I just had my first love junkies day.

1682
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: You did, yeah with all three?

1683
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: All three of them, and it was a pinch me moment.

1684
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, just you're in the presence of greatness.

1685
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: In that room, and you're in the presence of greatness

1686
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: that also wants to write you because they can write

1687
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: with anybody else.

1688
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 3: Like that's the cool thing. Yeah, that's the cool thing.

1689
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,919
Speaker 5: And it blows my mind, Like I'm lucky enough.

1690
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: Like I've been on a couple of retreats with Liz

1691
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: two and we go to her beach house and actually

1692
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: shoulder to Cry on twenty something both came out of

1693
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: that retreat, which are ending up on the record, and

1694
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: it was probably some of the most special four days

1695
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: of my life.

1696
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 5: I don't know what it was. It was just really magical.

1697
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: We were for the first time, I was writing on

1698
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: the water, so I think that was part of it.

1699
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: I just felt so at peace, so at ease. But

1700
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: she's just one of those writers like you get in

1701
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: the room and you're like, I see why you're Liz Rose.

1702
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: She has this way of just making you feel so

1703
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: safe and like able to just talk about anything. You know, Yeah,

1704
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: and which is crazy because she's a legend and a

1705
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: lot of ways you're like nervous, You're like, oh, my god,

1706
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: this is Liz Rose. But she's so good at just

1707
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: finding what the song is. Like I'll sit there and

1708
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: we'll talk for an hour and she'll be like, how

1709
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: about this. You said this like thirty minutes ago, and

1710
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: I feel like this, we really need to say this,

1711
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: And it ends up being the most vulnerable thing I've

1712
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: ever written.

1713
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 5: And it's just beautiful how she can do that. I

1714
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 5: look up to it so much.

1715
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: Some of the songs and we're gonna rap here but

1716
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: that I've put on our national countdown. It's our women

1717
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: to buy our country show that I would listen to

1718
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: and be like, man, that's so good.

1719
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 3: I have them all listed here.

1720
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 2: Shoulder to cry on while you're at it, Trust issues,

1721
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 2: me myself, and why zero Trucks?

1722
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 4: It's funny that yeah, so of those songs, I'm want

1723
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 4: to give you those five options because over the last

1724
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 4: two years, year and a half or so, when listening

1725
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 4: to those for one reason or other, been like, oh,

1726
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 4: let's put this on the national playlist.

1727
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: Which of those songs do you look at and go

1728
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: still love it so much? It still represents either who

1729
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: I am or who I was.

1730
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: Shoulder to cry on and I don't know if still

1731
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 1: applies as much to it because I just released it

1732
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: really recently, so it's very like it feels like me

1733
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: right now. But I think that's one that years from

1734
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: now I'll look back and be so proud of because

1735
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: just the song, I feel like the song from a

1736
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: songwriting perspective, that's one of my favorites I've ever written.

1737
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: I love a good hook where it just kind of

1738
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: it's a turn on a phrase that you didn't expect, and.

1739
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 5: I've just admired that about country.

1740
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: Music and been like, I want to write like that,

1741
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: And I feel like this song is special to me

1742
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 1: because of that, and it's also a vulnerable one for me.

1743
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: I just it kind of speaks to the fact that

1744
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: I'm not really good at being vulnerable in front of people.

1745
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 3: It's vulnerable to say that you're not good at being vulnerable, though,

1746
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 3: did you know that You're right?

1747
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 5: That's kind of trippy. It's like a mental game.

1748
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 3: But likely it's like uh inception.

1749
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I admittedly like, I'm I hate crying in

1750
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,959
Speaker 1: front of people, like I when I.

1751
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 3: Process and thinking about how you hate crying in front.

1752
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 5: Of people, that would also the same thing.

1753
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 3: Similar.

1754
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, first song released and the track one on

1755
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: the album You Don't Deserve a country song, which you

1756
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: wrote with Mitchell, Jeff Warburton, Will Weatherley, Michael Whitworth.

1757
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: So that's that's there. That's it's the number one streaming

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Speaker 3: song you have right now. I was like all this.

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Speaker 5: Time, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Actually the second song and it's the last song on

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Speaker 2: the album, which is Shoulder to Cry on what you

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01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 2: just talked about, right, and then you have four other

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01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: ones coming from this specific project, right you said six?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: Goodbye?

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Speaker 1: Looks good on you all caught up to me, Uh,

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01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: if you love me now?

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Speaker 5: And Tennessee is Mine.

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Speaker 3: Mike played me just a little bit of Tennessee is Mine.

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Speaker 3: And then we're gonna wrap it up here and the.

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Speaker 1: Welcome side Tannessee is Mine.

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Speaker 2: We've got a podcast, Jael if we play more than that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this has been a delightful conversation.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: You You're fun to talk to you. I mean back

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 3: at you.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, I knew it was gonna be fun,

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01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like we got we got really deep.

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: We talked, We talked about so much. I feel like

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: this was a little mini therapy session.

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Speaker 3: We did Mike, how long we go here? An hour? Ten?

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Speaker 3: It's good. Yeah, I'm gonna, you.

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: Know what, I'm gonna spend more time thinking about things

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01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 1: that I'm doing well and good at. That's what I

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01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: don't spend too much, but just a little bit, just enough.

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Speaker 2: That's what I've learned in therapy that I need to

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: acknowledge things i'm good at. So when I beat myself up,

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Speaker 2: which I constantly do for things I'm not as good

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Speaker 2: at as I hoped try to be, I can somewhat

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Speaker 2: reach into the good bucket, so I don't go crazy

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01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: as I'm always always in the bad bucket. So you

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01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: owe me like twenty bucks of that sessions. That's just

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01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: a little slipp of what I paid it.

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Speaker 5: He covers half that.

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Speaker 3: That's all right, you guys.

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Speaker 2: Follow Lance Springsteen on Instagram, on TikTok, same thing, same name.

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Speaker 3: It's all there. Good for you for having your own name.

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Speaker 3: I said you did I say?

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Speaker 5: Did you say it's Alana?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Now I've trip myself talking about how

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Speaker 2: your name gets messed up. All right, So Bobby Jones here,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna see you guys next time.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're doing good to see.

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Speaker 5: You see thank you so much, see you later.

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Speaker 6: I love this episode of the Bobby Cast. Subscribe on iHeartRadio,

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