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Speaker 1: is Caitlin, my name's Jamie, and uh this is the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. Thank you so much for being here. For

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Speaker 1: We talk about the representation and portrayal of women in movies,

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Speaker 1: hell is the Bechtel Test? Okay, calm down, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: cartoonist named Alison Bechdel. It is a test that requires,

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Speaker 1: Or that's the way we define the test. You think

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Speaker 1: What's up, guys, how are you pretty good? Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about Bring it On? Yeah, clap If

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming. Um, bring on?

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Speaker 1: so Maggie, we'll start with you. What's your history, your

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Speaker 1: for Kirsen Duns where I'm kind of like, whatever, fix it,

420
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: like you know. That's that is the big thing about

421
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: this movie for me is that it touches on like

422
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: race and appropriation because it is effectively about a group

423
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: of largely white upper class teens stealing from a community

424
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: of I think everyone on the Clovers as a person

425
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: of color, so they're stealing from people of color. Yet

426
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: the movie is told from the point of view of

427
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: the white people, and for most of the movie, the Clovers,

428
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: the people of color, are poised as the bad guys

429
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: that we're paying rooting against because we're rooting for the

430
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: white people exactly because the Protectors, which like this is

431
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: like the common start. You know, white women steal from

432
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: us all the time, how that is, but like the

433
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: fact that they put I always found it weird that

434
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: the Clovers were seen like as the bad people when

435
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: they were getting random uk the whole most reimagine this

436
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: movie from the Clover's point of view, because then it's

437
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: about like Isis and her squad working very hard creating

438
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: original cheers and then they see like two white girls

439
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: snooping around on their practice who belonged to a squad

440
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: of like all white people three hours away. Which, yeah,

441
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: it's like it should not be told from the point

442
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: of view of the white people. Yeah, we should be

443
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: rooting for the people who's whose cheers they're inappropriated. It's

444
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: so weird. Yeah, there there, And it also it sort

445
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: of feels like a weird cop out for Kirsten Dunks's

446
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: character to never know, and so we have her as

447
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: sort of like this channel of like, oh, I hope

448
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: that she makes it right, Like, let's because I feel

449
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with that, and I really hope that Kirston Duns

450
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: and her dad figure this out, like and yeah, there

451
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of moments that there's just like some

452
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: dissonance and like, you know, we watched an Twine nineteen

453
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: is like that's not how hopefully most of us feel.

454
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: But the movie is so clearly feels certain that you're

455
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: going to feel that way that like Kirston and her

456
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: dad are gonna solve solve like white women stealing from

457
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: like black women, and that it's just the white man

458
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: is going to solve the problem of white women stealing

459
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: from black movement. Daddy is actually the missing piece there.

460
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: What if Daddy were here? Well, I was so worried

461
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: that it was kind of going to become a white

462
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: savior movie where she's like, my dad, I took money

463
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: from my dad and I'm giving it to you. And

464
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that that's not what happened. But I

465
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: can't help but to think, and this this is a theory.

466
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: Let me know how you think about it. But I

467
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: feel like Isis rejecting the money was not the writer

468
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: of the movie is deliberate attempt to be like, hey,

469
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: I want to make sure this is not a white

470
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: savior story. I think it was more to make Isis

471
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: and the Clovers seem like more scary mean adversaries. Who

472
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: the hell named her isis also crossed my mind. Not

473
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: a crazi like movie. Just really is bad at naming anyone, Yeah,

474
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: real bad. Let's put the other team Isis and al Qaeda.

475
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: Isis is an Egyptian goddess question master's degree. Okay, yeah,

476
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping she was named after that. I think

477
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: this was pretty scary ices I think by a long time.

478
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean they could have gotten with Cam. Yeah,

479
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: one off the table, They're like, No, Torrance versus isis

480
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, this movie comes on really strong.

481
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't really know, Like here's here's why.

482
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: I think that because the movie frames the Clovers as quote,

483
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: the bad guys and the and like adhering to for

484
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: a large chunk of the movie, the stereotype of the

485
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: angry black woman. So I feel like that her tearing

486
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: up the check wasn't like, oh, this isn't a white

487
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: savior story. It was more that like, we're mean. We're

488
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: not going to take your money because we're mean, Like

489
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: we're not gonna we're not going to try to reason

490
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: with you, and we're not going to try to let

491
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: you make it right. We're just gonna be mad. Right,

492
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: That's how I interpreted it. But I think there I

493
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I guess the only counterpoint I

494
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: would have today is there's for so much of the

495
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: movie it was like I was like, when are we

496
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: going to get to learn anything about like the individual

497
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: characters on the Clovers, Because it's it's so deep into

498
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: the movie that you find out even remotely anything in

499
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: the in the closest you get is that scene where

500
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: they're writing the letter to the talk show host, where

501
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: they're like vaguely describing their economic background, they're vaguely describing

502
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: what their plan is. It's clear they have a plan

503
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: to get to nationals no matter what. So because that

504
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: scene came right before like the only moment we got

505
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: with them came right before that, I'm hoping that the

506
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: writer was trying to at least give Isis a moment

507
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: and and and try to help the audience understand where

508
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: she's coming from. It doesn't go nearly far enough in

509
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: just like developing the interior lives of anyone on The Clovers,

510
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: which is like such, why is like why do we

511
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: waste so much like real estate in this movie? On

512
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: fucking Cliff when half the cast is being ignored for

513
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: the whole movie, Like cut Cliff, and let's like learn

514
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: about Isis and and all of her and the girl

515
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: group black who is in the who are the only

516
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: other teammates on? Did anyone else listen to that group? In?

517
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: One of them is on Real Housewives of Atlanta. Now, yes, okay,

518
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I've got someone with me. We've got a fact checker

519
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: and I've got a fact checker is constantly googling everything

520
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: to say, but we don't get to know anything about

521
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: about those characters. And it's uh, the closest we get

522
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: at the scene that comes right before that. I feel

523
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: like it's clear at least that Tore was deeply misguided

524
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: to do that. I don't think it goes far enough,

525
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: but I hope that that's the implication. Yeah, well we'll

526
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: never know. We'll never I mean, yeah, everyone involved with

527
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: this movie is dead, so there's no one to check with. Okay.

528
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: I was like, we should tweet at him right now

529
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: to keep going on tour. There there's a lot to

530
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: talk about going on tour, like like we're gonna do

531
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: to the East coast anyway. Plugs are later. I mean,

532
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: we know more about Tour than anyone else in the movie.

533
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: We arguably know too much about her to the point

534
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: where I don't care. There was one scene with her

535
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: mom that I liked. We don't get which is weird.

536
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: It's weird that there's like this whole scene with Tour

537
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: and her mom that is like generally positive, but we

538
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: never really go back to her mom again, and so

539
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: it kind of ends up not mattering, but they're doing

540
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: the back and forth of tours. Mom is like, you

541
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: cheer too much. Take a math class. And then Torrence

542
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: is like, you hate that I'm not a genius. You

543
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: hate that I'm an idiot. I like that. I like

544
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: that mediocrity visibility. We need more of that. Yeah, the

545
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: mediover people everywhere, and they're no, we don't see them

546
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: on screen. I mean we do, we do female form. Ever,

547
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: sure we do a lot to like Champion, like you know,

548
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: women's education and stuff like that. But Torrance was just like,

549
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't really care about school. I only care about cheerleading,

550
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: and you're just gonna have to accept that, mom. And

551
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: then she was like and then her mom's like, take

552
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: a science class. And Torrance is like fine, And that's

553
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: that should have been a subplot, not Cliff Ray. That's

554
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: another great use of the time that we waste on Cliff.

555
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: But let's talk Well, we're on the subject of Cliff

556
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: as well. There is, of course of like vague, poorly

557
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: constructed love triangle in this movie with Aaron Tore and Cliff.

558
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: I've never cared less in my entire life. Oh god,

559
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: So Aaron is a male cheerleader who tours in a

560
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: relationship with the use of queer jokes in this movie

561
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: is just horrible. But Aaron is cheating on her with

562
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of girls in college basically, and he's just

563
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: a dick. He tells her he doesn't believe in her.

564
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: And that's juxtaposed with this creepy scene on a swing

565
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: or where Kirsten dues, Okay, I'm just gonna walk you

566
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: through this scene with Cliff, please. Kirsten Duns is on

567
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: a swing. She's just had a conversation with Eliza dish Coup.

568
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: She walks off, She's going to do some cheerleading thing,

569
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Cliff swoops down twist.

570
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: He's been on the swing set the whole time. You're like,

571
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: oh my god. He starts to push her on the swing.

572
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: This is a sinister thing that perfect student children before

573
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: they kill them. Cliffs pushing her on the swing and

574
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: then just like pulls the swing back and then whispers

575
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: in her ear for what it's worth, I believe in you.

576
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: And she's like really, He's like yeah, he's just the

577
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: and and then she that is supposed to like give

578
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: her the motivation to not play Giarize anymore. Like it's

579
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: so ridiculous. She should very obviously arrive at this point,

580
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: like this conclusion on her own. Just Cliff. They're using

581
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: him to like motivate her to be a better cheerleader.

582
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: But he's just like there plays the guitar, and then

583
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: he like feels very entitled to her, like whenever he

584
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: makes the mixtape as the Flowers, and then he finds

585
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: out that she has. I mean, it's not really a mixtape,

586
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: it's a fully produced original song. Yeah, good, good point.

587
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: It's like Rebecca Black's Friday. It's like it's someone was

588
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: paid to do production on that. He just charged it

589
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: on his parents charge car, like he did everything. They're drunk,

590
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, dude, when did we go to the studio?

591
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: Were in a benefit? We're still fucked up. There's like

592
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: a full there's like drums. Either he plays all those

593
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: araments or he like hired a band. He hired a band,

594
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: he hired the Rebecca Black people to do it there.

595
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: It's so funny and it's like one of my favorite

596
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: things that happens in movies is when someone composes an

597
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: original song and you can tell the movies like this

598
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be a fucking hit, and it's just like, not,

599
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: that's what this song is like where he's like, you're cheerier.

600
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, dude, can you see you if finger

601
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: you and curius it does this like jamming, and she's

602
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: like this song is really good or like you're not

603
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: fooling us. She's jumping on the bed without a bra

604
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: like she's just like every all the stops are pulled

605
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: up to make this song seem presentable, and she conveniently

606
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: picked her pom poms up to dance to this bullshit.

607
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: So I was like, I did independent cheerleading to the

608
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: chagrin of everybody. Everybody's chagrin, and I have never once

609
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: while dancing picked up my well, let me get my

610
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: pom poms and really really turn this up right now.

611
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: This is shitty music, right, It's happened. I forgot how

612
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: I forgot the music that the Toros and the Clover's

613
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: performed to at the end, and I was so I

614
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: was like rocked with anxiety of like, she's gonna dance

615
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: to the song They're gonna do a cheer to the

616
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: Rebecca black Friday song, like but thank god, they just

617
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: use jock jams, but I mean, yeah. My main thing

618
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: with the with the Cliff thing is he's there, he's entitled.

619
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: He's kind of like random in terms of he's all

620
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: over the place. It turns where his character is. He

621
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: feels like a studio note and he shouldn't be there, Like,

622
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: there's just no need for that subplot. He's a p

623
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: s A to future parents to tell their daughters that

624
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: they love them so they're not susceptible to these random

625
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: I believe in you kind of bullshit. Up. Tell your

626
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: child you believe in them, so they're not out here

627
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: falling in love with people making stupid ass songs for

628
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: them at the mall and ship. Tell your child you

629
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: believe in them. Any man who can pose his original

630
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: music for you, that's a red flag. Somewhere on the Internet,

631
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: there's a couple of mix tapes about thinking like this

632
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: was like early I was dating the fun fun boy

633
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: is fun boy ever and he wrote a song about

634
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: how he liked me, and then I rejected him, and

635
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: then he wrote three songs about and he wrote one

636
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: of the songs I think I've played for you before.

637
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: It's called your Body is Dumb. Maggie Love. Okay, it's

638
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: out of here. I can't even be here for that anymore.

639
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: Your body is dumb. Give me this fuse email, lad Dress,

640
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: send a letter to his mom. Anyways, he's a father. Now,

641
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: should we get into the just enormous list of horribly

642
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: problematic things that get said and done? Yeah, let's do

643
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: your let's do your power listical All right, it's very

644
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: two thousand. Ready for it to be very two thousand, boy,

645
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: Starting with there's a scene in a locker room where,

646
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 1: by the way, teen girls are undressing. They are in well,

647
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: I an underwear. I thought that that was more tastily

648
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: done than most movies. I mean, the worst one that

649
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: comes to mind is carry Whenever Sissy Space. It is

650
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: just fully nude. And that doesn't know that that that

651
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: locker room scene has never taken place on Earth ever.

652
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: Everyone's fully nude, groping their own titties in the shower.

653
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, in, yeah, I guess there are stalls. I

654
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: guess I just don't high schools have stalls. I don't

655
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: see the need to show teenage girls in next to

656
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: no clothing. I agree, especially when I said your leading movie,

657
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: you don't need to add that extra layer of like, oh,

658
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: sexualized cheerleaders and oh they're taking their come home do better.

659
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: At least there's no I guess what I'm saying is

660
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: that there's no gratuitous, Like it's not as gratuitous as

661
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: most of these movies tend to be sure, but it's

662
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: still needless all the same. Um So, in that scene,

663
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: we have a number of girls calling each other sluts,

664
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: whors bitches, They're fat shaming each other. There are the

665
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: fun lines that, as a word smith myself I appreciated,

666
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: um Like, she puts the itch and bitch and she

667
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: puts the horror and horrifying. Does pass the Bechdel test?

668
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Does spoiler? Good pass? Good pass? Gang? And then there's

669
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: also a weird moment where they're talking about Big Red

670
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: and how much of a bit she is and they

671
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: call her yeah that Courtney and Whitney say she doesn't

672
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: have feelings, just testicles, right, which is just like bad writing,

673
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: as are most of these bads. Don't you know when

674
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: you don't wear your feelings? Okoy, she doesn't have anger,

675
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: she has wisdom teeth there It's like, you know, this

676
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: invisible thing it's actually a body part well, since it's

677
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: testicle specifically, I guess they're saying like, oh, she's mannished,

678
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: she's manly because she does is not emotional. Yeah. Yeah,

679
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: So it's just I didn't know what to do with

680
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: that line either. I just put question marks. I I

681
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of those as well. Yeah. Um, then

682
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: they're doing some cheer practice is and there are some

683
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: male cheerleaders on every team. There's male cheerleaders, which I thought,

684
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: and and there's a few bad jokes about it, but

685
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: not half as many bad jokes as I thought there

686
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: would be, except for one big one that is boy,

687
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I do like that. The male cheerleaders are

688
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: like they're present, but they're like mostly sidelined, like this

689
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: is a very female driven movie. They're around too, and

690
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: they're they're like on the team and on every team.

691
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: It seems like I don't know about cheerleading. I don't

692
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: know if that's normal. I just I didn't know. I

693
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know. Yeah, so here's some lines

694
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: that some of them say, pinch some panties, someone slacking again?

695
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: What does that mean? And it doesn't sound good though?

696
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: And then do I look like a milkmaid because someone

697
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: feels like a cow. This is in reference to one

698
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: of them lifting up one of the women on the team.

699
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: That's somebody shaming stuff, right there. Body shame these women

700
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: just because he's weak. Yeah, I wouldn't in the gym,

701
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 1: I didn't lift myself. My job is to lift right

702
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: and it's five extra pounds and I can't do that.

703
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: Like this is your problem or whatever. Phil, Yeah, I'm

704
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: good to go with that. It sounds like some Phil

705
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: whip ship. The names are Jan and Lez of the male.

706
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: Why are these names? I don't. This is a mess.

707
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: This is just a word jumble. Let's see. There's the

708
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: scene where during the tryouts, one of the girls is

709
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: trying out to Sweet Cherry Pie. She's very she's exty dance,

710
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of male gaze like shot like

711
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: the camera is like in her asshole. Well not just

712
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: not just that either. The women in the scene are

713
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: like one gags I'm like, you know what a woman's

714
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: body like this? But one goes and then the guys

715
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, MI have bonar. I was like, we

716
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: don't don't need this, got it. Also during the tryout scene,

717
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: there are various jokes made about people with disabilities and

718
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: like competing in the special Olympics and things like that.

719
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: There's also the Pipping guy, though you gotta there's the

720
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: Pippin guy, so balances. That was like the only line

721
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: I remember from the movie. Is this not the audition

722
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: for Pippin? You know it's not? Bro Yeah, in the

723
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: gymnasium there sucking bath Salty doesn't know where he is.

724
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: He also looked forty too, Where you thank you all

725
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: suspicious a forty year old dude, like, is this not

726
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 1: the audition for Pippin? I'm supposed to be here? Must

727
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: I go there? Trying out for Pippin? Another great place?

728
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: If we cut Cliff, we can really explore that you

729
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: know exactly exactly where? Yeah. So, Also at the tryout scene,

730
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: there is a girl named Jamie who is Whitney's younger sister.

731
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: A lot of the cheerleaders on the team want her

732
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: to be on the squad because of how small she

733
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: is and how easy she would be to lift up,

734
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: which again has some like body shaming and locations and

735
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: then just being weak implications. And then I think it's

736
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: jan who makes like a blowjob gesture towards like Jamie,

737
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: which again I don't know what. I don't know what's

738
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: even implied by twelve, Like what is he saying? That

739
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: was another thing that was unclear because he's making it

740
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: at tour, and I thought maybe he was being like nepotism,

741
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: but like, what does nepotism had to do with dick sucking?

742
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: I hope in A and the and the few lines

743
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: right before that he makes a comment about how again

744
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: this like twelve or thirteen year old girl goes down

745
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: or like does sexual stuff to get what she wants.

746
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, like she's she's visibly twelve, it is.

747
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: I think she went there. I was like Whitney went

748
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: and got her nine year old sister. Yea. So there's

749
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot of there's like problematic stuff, but like it's confusing.

750
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Uncanny Valley stuff where you're just

751
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: like I think that I'm not okay with this, but

752
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't fully make sense. It was like at that

753
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: time where it was like we are this kind of

754
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: a movie, but we're gonna be talking about other stuff.

755
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna push it to the limit in every possible way.

756
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: And it's like because this movie is like PG. Thirteen

757
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: or something, so I think it's trying to like navigate around,

758
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: like it's trying to do some innuendos that just like

759
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: didn't age well or never made sense. Like I'm not

760
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: trying to show that line of the R because they

761
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: know no one is going to go see that. If

762
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: it's an right, you know it's not gonna So they're like,

763
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: we want to get as close to an R. And

764
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: because this movie is for thirteen year old girls, right,

765
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: And that was like who who saw it? And who

766
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: you know at the sleepover for a thirteen year old?

767
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Don't worry, there's more. Okay. We've got Courtney saying about

768
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: Missy that she looks like an uber insert slur for

769
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: queer women here, and then she uses that word several

770
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: times in a in a hateful way throughout the movie.

771
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: Torrance is brother to Torrence says, it's not my fault.

772
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: You're in love with a big gay cheerleader who doesn't

773
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: return your calls. Torrence says he's not gay, and then

774
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: he says, oh, so someone just made him become a cheerleader, okay,

775
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: And she's like he's just busy, and he's like, yeah,

776
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: busy scamming on guys and then that steam. It's like, actually,

777
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: he's actually scamming on girls, lots of them, because there

778
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: were all these like I mean, and I wasn't sure

779
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: that this movie wasn't above that cheap joke of just

780
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: being like, he's a male cheerleader, he must be gay,

781
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: you know. But then you see Aaron wake up at

782
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: his dorm and he has both a Sugar Ray and

783
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: a Matchbox twenty poster, and you're like, no, no, he

784
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: is straight, and a very bad kind of straight. He's

785
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: the most sinister heterosexual there is. He's got both of

786
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: the Devil's posters. He's a take a guitar out at

787
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: a party kind of mother fart. He's that kind of straight.

788
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: And then they put a villainous turtleneck on him. Later on,

789
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, yeah, bright Rent, he's

790
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: a bad man. It's just bad. Also, that scene ends

791
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: with towards his brother calling her a bit, so that

792
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: was very cute. Um they put the yeah, they put

793
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: the little brother. Okay, At one point in the movie

794
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: where I did laugh is where the brothers like it's

795
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: an emergency and then he farts. You gotta admit that

796
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: that's a funny joke. I laughed. Okay, that's crazy. How

797
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: sometimes a fart is better than anything you could write

798
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: in five years. I should have never gotten that master's degree. No,

799
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: you could have just been like, I don't know what

800
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: to put her. Write a kid named justin any farts? Okay.

801
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: Next comes the big one from me where they're all

802
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: in a car. The car scene, Yeah, the male cheerleaders

803
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Jan and Lez are talking about their sexuality and then

804
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: Missy's like, well, what is your sexuality, which is you know,

805
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,479
Speaker 1: maybe not of her business but um and then let's

806
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: says Jan straight, Well, I'm controversial. Missy says, are you

807
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: telling me you speak insert slur here? And then he's like,

808
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: oh fluently. And then Missy proceeds to call Courtney and

809
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: Whitney a slur and then okay, So to prove his straightness,

810
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: Jan is Jan the strike guy. Jan goes on to

811
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: disc gribe how he molests cheerleaders. He's like, no, I'm

812
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: super straight. I am a rapist. Like you're just like,

813
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like he describes, well, do you have

814
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: the specifics written? Now? I was horrified. It's like, I'm

815
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: so straight, it's problematic. I'm so straight. I should be

816
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: in jail, Like, yeah, it's it's right, And then everyone

817
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: in the car is like, ha ha ha, yeah, you're

818
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: molesting her friends. Jam's like, no, Courtney is straight. I

819
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: know this because she doesn't wear underwear, and I can't

820
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: help if my digits slip occasionally. Okay, okay, number one,

821
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: you digit an't gonna slip doing a chairlift. That is

822
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: not a thing. That's you intentionally doing it too. If

823
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: you would be concentrating more on your form, you would

824
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: be able to lift more and not worry about if

825
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: anyone getined an extra founds and maybe keep your hands

826
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: in the right position. Yeah for maximum, When did Is

827
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: tweets at him, the finger tweeted at the actor another thing,

828
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: it is so like weirdly on the nose though, to

829
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: be like, no, I like it feels like a weirdly

830
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: like it sounds like modern satire. To be like no,

831
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm like sis white dude, I'm a fucking criminal. He's like,

832
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: this is not helping anyone. This is not And then

833
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: the whole people are laughing about it. And then because

834
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: it's basically saying like, oh, she doesn't wear underwear, so

835
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: she's asking for it, is what the movie is trying

836
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: to stay here then, and it's also not logical that

837
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: she wouldn't wear underwear to it just like goes out

838
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: of the way to make one of the female characters

839
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: look dumb as fun. It's like, if you're cheerleading and

840
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, like you're wearing underwear, not only are you

841
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: wearing underwear, you're wearing bloomers on the underwear, So that

842
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: part never matched for me. It's like, you're digits are

843
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: gonna slip, It's gonna slip in through or like come on, man,

844
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? Champ right? Jan was that

845
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: short for well, we should see it play out. We

846
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: see it play out a few semes later at the

847
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: at the football game where he's doing the lift and

848
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: then we see her reaction and she's like it almost

849
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: seems like she's enjoying it, which is like very and

850
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: but then she like he lets her down and then

851
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: she kind of hits him, but we see him on

852
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: screen assault her while they're cheering. And then there's another

853
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: scene where I think it's Missy and one of the

854
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: cheerleaders male cheerleaders is like stretching her leg out and

855
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: there's two guys that pass and the two football jocks

856
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: who have been like harassing the male cheerleaders the whole right,

857
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: and then they're like, maybe we should do in the

858
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: d because they're they're like looking at like, oh, they're

859
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: touching girls, and then the other one just as a

860
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: gay slur to the other one, and then the scene

861
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: is over, and that's a scene that exists forever. Yep,

862
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: I probably missed some, and there's I'm just gonna do

863
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: a few more. Okay, so uh, there's a car wash

864
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: scene where we see like a closeup of Eliza dis

865
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: chest and then it's because it's her brother auggling her

866
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: until he realized it and he's like, oh, but it

867
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: means we have this very male gage shot of like

868
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: just a woman's breast you have. I mean, that whole

869
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: sequence is just like getting allegedly teen girls wet, even

870
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: though as with most of these movies that Kirsten Dunce

871
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: is and Kirson Dunce is the only legitimate teenager there's

872
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: it's Kirson duns and a bunch of twenty seven year olds. Also,

873
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: a quick fact check, a car wash is not a

874
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: good fundraiser. Oh did you do one? I'll buy Yourself.

875
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: Caitlyn thre onto his Savage Moments Part three, Holy Ship

876
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: have been attacks. I remember like in like elementary and

877
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: then junior high and even like my friends who like

878
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: cheered at like normal high schools and stuff like that

879
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: was just never. No one wants a bunch of teen

880
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,959
Speaker 1: girls washing their car for twenty dollars. No, and they're

881
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: never in like it's so it's so movie to imply

882
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: that all car washes are hot teens in bikinis, because

883
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: I did. I did that with the Key Club and

884
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: we were wearing like three shirts extra really didn't make

885
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: much money, did you sixty? And it was like a

886
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: twelve hour day, right, and it was all y'all's moms

887
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: coming through to be nice. It was like moms and

888
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: neighbors being like, okay, but don't touch it. Bad idea,

889
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: bad for business. That's just a fact check. Yeah, thank you,

890
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: thank you for them and their children, and so please

891
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: stop looking at them. Yeah. And then the last one,

892
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: I'll say, there are more, but we're running out of

893
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: time is the choreographer Sparky whatever the funk is literally

894
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: everything he does, everything he said, every everything he does

895
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: is just wildly horrible. Here's the thing with all of

896
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: these moments. In some cases, the characters who are using

897
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: the homophobic slurs or who are using the language that's

898
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: like body shaming or slut shaming, they are framed as

899
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: being like bad, wrong people, like when it's the football

900
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: players who are harassing people and stuff like that. But

901
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: in other cases, these things are being said by the

902
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: characters who are supposed to like it's supposed to be

903
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: rooting for, like whenever Missy uses the various like homophobic slurs,

904
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: or when they're all laughing along when the guy is

905
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: admitting to assaulting his teammate. Yeah, t he And there's

906
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: there's not much, just because I do want to get

907
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: to the Clovers. But as for see, it's and again

908
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: I feel like she her character suffers because of Cliff's presence.

909
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: So many suffer at the hands of Cliff, so many

910
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: because she starts out as like a pretty interesting you know,

911
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: it's like she's she's a guff and I'm like, I'm

912
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: on board. But you know, it's like and she and

913
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: tore form of friendship, it's an unlikely friendship, but once

914
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: Cliff starts to get too involved, she almost gets sidelined.

915
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,479
Speaker 1: And she's only like serving as like, oh, Cliff said

916
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: that you've got nice boobs, and you're just like, man,

917
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: this is a waste of Elijah Douche first of all.

918
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: And then it's like their friendship gets sidelined kind of

919
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: until the very very end, which is a bummer. Yeah. Uh,

920
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: And with that, let's talk about the Clovers, which I mean,

921
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: again it's uh, we really only know Isis in any

922
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: meaningful way played by Gabrielle Union, and she's I mean,

923
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: she's really fucking cool. Like I love that character, and

924
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: it's frustrating that you don't get to know her better

925
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: because there's space in the movie to do it, and

926
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: the movie just literally chooses not to do it, but

927
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: so much emotional depth if you're to like really concentrated

928
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: on the story behind them, Like there was really an

929
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: opportunity for that that they just let fall, right because

930
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: like I mean, in most cases, when you're seeing i

931
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: mean fucking varsity blues and ship like that, if you

932
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: see the cheerleaders, they're like, it's a bunch of like

933
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: suburban white people, so like, just to give visibility to

934
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: this group of cheerleaders who are all people of color,

935
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: and then like, what's their experience? Like, I want to

936
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: know more, and then the movie just like glasses over

937
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: that whole thing. Yeah, I mean, but there are a

938
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: few lines from from Isis when we do get to

939
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: see her, we get to see her almost always in

940
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: control of the situation. Sometimes that's aimed as her being

941
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: the villain, and then later on it you can see

942
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: her and tours starting to form like this captain's respect

943
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: when which you know captains will know she basically has respect.

944
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: There's a line where she's like, hey, you guys have

945
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: been stealing from us, but no longer I'm the captain,

946
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: that it's a captain. They also say do the right

947
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: thing over and over, and I'm like, are they talking

948
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: about this Mike Lee movie where he sometimes keeps being

949
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: like I want to do the right thing. I was like,

950
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: do you know what you're saying? And I want to

951
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: do the right thing. And then she does a little

952
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: wing and flashes her snaggle tooth. They're like, what's going

953
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: on here? And then she goes to East Conda drives

954
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: once again three hours. I'm like, there's gotta be a

955
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: phone number, but also she drives three hours. It goes

956
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: to see Isis and like all the Clover cheerleaders and

957
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: offers her white savior daddy check and says, once again,

958
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do the right thing. And I was like,

959
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: what the funk is going on in this script? It's

960
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: so funny, A fun moment where one of the Clover's

961
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: calls Missy and Torrance buffies, which is fun because Aliza

962
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: Disku played Faith and Buffy the vampires Layer run around

963
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: this time, so fun. Fuck with her saying I want

964
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. That further makes her into

965
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: the good person. Yes, very verbally saying she's trying to

966
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: do the right thing. She's trying to be the right person,

967
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 1: and you're you're not letting her do the right thing. Yeah,

968
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: it's just a microaggression. Yeah, I do like Isis gives

969
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: a pretty concise response that I really like. She says.

970
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: When Kirsen Dunn comes with her white guilt check, Isis replies, like,

971
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: what is this hush money? All right, it's guilt money.

972
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: You pay our way in and you sleep better at

973
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: night knowing how your whole world was based on one big,

974
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: old fat lie. And then she tears the check up

975
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: and that's like a great cathartic moment. You're like, you're right,

976
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: fucking fun Kristen Dunn's dad we just saw for the

977
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: first time in the last time in the movie, fucking daddy, like,

978
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: get out of here. And and then she you know,

979
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: pulls out the captain speaks. She's like, I'm trying to

980
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: be strong for my squad. I'm a captain. We're like,

981
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: we know the captain talk is strong in this movie,

982
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: but I I mean, it's it's so it's so weird

983
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: because I feel like, I don't know, like we're talking

984
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: about earlier. I don't know how the movie is supposed

985
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: it wants us to feel about this scene, But watching

986
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: it now, you're you're I mean, I feel like we're

987
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: all like, tear the check up. Fuck that. But I

988
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: think in two thousand, the way everything was then the

989
01:03:55,120 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: movie frames all the Clovers as the mean adversary is

990
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: that are causing problems and being mean. Yeah, there is

991
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: a quote about from Gabrielle Union about being in Bringing

992
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: On that I wanted to read to you is sort

993
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: of like an insight of where she was at around

994
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: this time. She's also twenty eight in this movie, which

995
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: you're like, how is that possible. It's blacked out correct,

996
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: extremely it's why Okay, So she says about getting cast

997
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: in Bringing It On. Uh, she says, I wanted this

998
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: cheerleading movie Sugar and Spice, but they didn't go black

999
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: on any of their roles. I couldn't even audition for

1000
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: Bringing On. The story is about cultural appropriation and how

1001
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: the hard work of African Americans has been repackaged with

1002
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: blonde hair and blue has the social justice of it

1003
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: appealed to me, Which is great that that is what

1004
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: she saw. But the fact, I mean, just even bringing

1005
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: up that she wasn't allowed to audition for this other

1006
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: cheerleading movie because they didn't quote unquote go black, is

1007
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: like such an insight to where casting was then and

1008
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: just like what her options were. Like, I mean, I'm

1009
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: so glad she was in Bringing It On, but that quote,

1010
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, this is such a problem, Like

1011
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: it's a problematic movie with problematic parts, but this was

1012
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: the best option, right, right was the option. It was

1013
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: an advertising looking option on top of that, which is

1014
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, it just speaks to what

1015
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: was going on at the time and like what the

1016
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: reality of the film industry was. Fact then yeah, and

1017
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: so it's like has gotten better, it's fixed everything. I'm

1018
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: so sorry everything everything. Thankfully we've resolved it as everything

1019
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: is great. We got to check from daddy and it's

1020
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: fixed and Finn. I mean, in general, I'm very glad

1021
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: that the Clover's win and that the screenwriter had the

1022
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: foresight to like because in every way they're the superior

1023
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: team because they've never plagiarized anyone. They've earned everything they've gotten,

1024
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: and like they're a better I mean, they have the

1025
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: better routine every single time. So I'm glad that they got.

1026
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: In my head, I was like they got School of

1027
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: rocked where where like the ragtag team of young white

1028
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: people lose and and it's fun to watch, but I

1029
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: wish that there were more to criticize because I wish

1030
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: we knew more about these characters in general, but there's

1031
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: just like not we just don't know enough about the

1032
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: movies should be told from their point of view, like

1033
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: they should have been a different script, different story told

1034
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: from a different perspective. On that note, like we don't

1035
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: know a lot about them, and she didn't know a

1036
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: lot about them, but the check when she got the

1037
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: check from her dad, like she bullied her dad into

1038
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: getting the dad's company to write a check. So what

1039
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: could she possibly have told him to tell them to

1040
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: write the check? Like, Hey, I need a check for

1041
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: some some black girls that my daughter was stealing from cheerleading? Wise,

1042
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: can you give me eight thousand dollars so they can

1043
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 1: get to flour? Like what could you have told them?

1044
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: Like and that's just another that like you just walk

1045
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: like this guy just has the privilege to walk into

1046
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: his employer and be like I need money to get

1047
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: a team of people to Nationals And his company was

1048
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: just like is your kid in No, I guess no

1049
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: follow up questions for like this is not my child squad,

1050
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: this is random kids three hours south and they were

1051
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: still cool with it. And that like Tor was expecting

1052
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: to just come in with a check that clearly, I says,

1053
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: would have no idea where this money is from. She

1054
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: doesn't know who Krison does dad is. We don't know

1055
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: who Krison does dad is, and that Kars and Kness

1056
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: was coming from this place of just like well you're

1057
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: gonna want it, right and then like she was like, no,

1058
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: what is this? Who is this from? Like I feel

1059
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: like her dad would like work for Enron or something. Yeah,

1060
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: like that, there does so much is off for en

1061
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: Ron an interesting choice. I would say if I was

1062
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: an isiss position, I would have crumpled up the thing

1063
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: in front of her and thrown it and then when

1064
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: she left, moved it out deposited Like, well, I made

1065
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: my point, Like she won't know, Like what's she going

1066
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: to know? Yeah, veryone's not going to miss eight thousand.

1067
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: She's never gonna find out if I did it or not. Uh.

1068
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: One thing I did like about this movie, and it

1069
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: also brought up different like I mean it liked it

1070
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: didn't like, Uh, was that you so infrequently get to

1071
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: see young girl being athletic in any way on screen

1072
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: and getting to see there's a lot of really athletic routines.

1073
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: And there's like a lot of behind the scenes talk

1074
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: of like all the main cast of the of this

1075
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: movie had to go to Cheercamp together. There's some really

1076
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: cute behind the znes PAGs of like Karson doesn't Gabriela

1077
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: union stretching and like being friends and it's cute, but um,

1078
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: but you know, getting to see girls be athletic is

1079
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: not something you get to see in a lot of

1080
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: teen movies really ever. And so it's cool because I

1081
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember in junior high seeing like these

1082
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: routines and being like, oh, that's so cool and like

1083
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: going home and like fucking loser dancing it out at

1084
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: my house, which is like, I mean, it's like, these

1085
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: movies do affect you, and it it made me wish that,

1086
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, there were more movies that you got to

1087
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: see girls be athletic in different ways because you're only

1088
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, when I was younger, I really wanted to

1089
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: be a dancer, and I'm sure that a lot of

1090
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: that reason was because that was how I had seen

1091
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: girls be athletic and colt and like popular culture is

1092
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: that you're dancing, your cheering. You can only do a

1093
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: few different things. And it's like men, like there should

1094
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: be more movies about girls playing sports and like doing

1095
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: other athletics. It because there's so few options for for

1096
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: for stuff like that. So there's like five thousand movies

1097
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: about men playing football and like winning the game, ten

1098
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: movies about women's sports teams period. I love movies about

1099
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: when the boys win the game at the last minute. Yeah,

1100
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: they're the best genre. On that note, I like that

1101
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: the movie showed the athleticism of cheerleading. Yes, people a

1102
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: lot of the time think of cheerleading is just like, oh,

1103
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: you're just shaking pom poms and dancing and shaking your

1104
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: butt or whatever. But like my senior project was on

1105
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: cheerleading injuries, and cheerleading is like the number two catastrophic sport.

1106
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: It's after football, and football they were a ton of

1107
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: like there's like a ton of athleticism required the cheerleading.

1108
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: I like that this movie really showcase that. Yeah, I mean,

1109
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: like and getting to see again, I appreciated getting to

1110
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: see full routines too, Like that was really cool. And there,

1111
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's still so much where if you want

1112
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: to fall down the rabbit hole of how professional cheerleaders

1113
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: are treated now, it's like such a wild thing where

1114
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: most of them aren't unionized, most of them are paid

1115
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: like minimum wage and like professional team cheer like for football,

1116
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: like Major American football. You know, where the football players

1117
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: are making millions and millions of dollars, there are some

1118
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: cheerleaders out there who were making nothing and getting injured

1119
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: like at a comparable rate. So it's still like, uh,

1120
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: sport that isn't being taken seriously, And I don't know,

1121
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 1: it's it is cool to just see women being athletic

1122
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: and kicking ass like they don't require a cheerleading coach

1123
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: to have any kind of training. Has demonstrated by Mrs

1124
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 1: spirit Fingers. He just lets spark you mcgorakan or whoever

1125
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: he made was show up convictions that they gave two

1126
01:11:53,800 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to don't do that. My name is Spanky.

1127
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: They're like, coo coo, coo coo cool, We'll get the

1128
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars. Kirsten's dad is getting it for us.

1129
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: That's got it. Uh do anything else? Get not? Really,

1130
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 1: I feel like we've only scratched the surface of this wild,

1131
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: wild movie, but there's so much here. Yeah, I guess

1132
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: it's it is cool that you see the athleticism of cheerleading,

1133
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,919
Speaker 1: that you see cheerleading has a sport being taken seriously.

1134
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: You see a female driven story where the women are

1135
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: driving the narrative. There you see a lot of different

1136
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: personality types among the women that you see, which is

1137
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: like usually not something that you Yet there's women in

1138
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: conflict and you understand why, which almost never happens sometimes

1139
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: and then sometimes it's Courtney and Whitney being mean for

1140
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: no reason, right right, I mean, I guess I was

1141
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: more talking about like the tour. Missy tore in isis like,

1142
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: share are some female conflicts where you're like, these people

1143
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: are very different and I understand why they do not agree,

1144
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: such as tours stealing constantly and she's like I know, no, AB,

1145
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: because she's like I do. Yeah. I think that was

1146
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: all I had sick, all right, yeah, do you have

1147
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: anything else? I think that we covered all the points

1148
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: and aired all of my grievances. That's why we're here.

1149
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: This movie definitely passes the Bechdel tests at a million

1150
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: billion times over, which is great. A lot of the

1151
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: exchanges are like you're a stupid slut, you dumb bitch,

1152
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: and and then the other girls like yes, and we're like, well,

1153
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: it's technically passes flood match capital. A lot of the

1154
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: conversations are you know about cheerleading and training and their

1155
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: goals and you should take a science class. No, right,

1156
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: so handle passes Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's rate on our

1157
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: nipple scale. Let's do it sero to five nipples based

1158
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: on the representation of women. Um, I think I'll go

1159
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: I mean yes, we know it's from two thousand and

1160
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: all the problematic things that come with that, So I'm

1161
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: it's like a two I suppose, doting a lot of

1162
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: points for all the problematic ship that happens and the

1163
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: fact that it should have been an entirely different movie

1164
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: told from the point of view of Isis and her

1165
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: clover squad, basing it on the movie that we are

1166
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: presented with. I'll give it to nipples. Didn't mention the

1167
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 1: pretty nice moment at the very end with Les and

1168
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: another like unnamed male cheerleader at Nationals and they're like, hey,

1169
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: good job out there, and the other one's like, hey,

1170
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: you too cool, and then it's like, I guess they're

1171
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: gonna kiss later. I don't know, but like, but that

1172
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: comes at the end of such a long string of

1173
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: like homophobia and just horrible nous that I was like, well,

1174
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: that's a nice moment, but remember all the other stuff. Movie. Um,

1175
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: so two nipples and I'll give both to Gabriel Union. Yeah,

1176
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: I'll go two and a half. Yeah. I think that

1177
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: there needs to be such a move towards the women

1178
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: of color in this movie, because that is not just

1179
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: like the right the doing the right thing, if you will,

1180
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: But it's it's the more interesting story is on the

1181
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: conflict between these two teams, like fuck the romance subplots

1182
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 1: like a shoehorn in later. The interesting parts of this

1183
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: movie are these white girls are stealing from these black

1184
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: girls because they feel entitled to do so, and the

1185
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: conflict that ensues there, Like that is the interesting part

1186
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: of the movie. I think that there's so much more there,

1187
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: and there's more interesting story, there's more message there, and

1188
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: just getting to know the black characters in this movie

1189
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: is such an important thing that just didn't happen. There

1190
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: was a couple of lines and then we get forty

1191
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: five minutes of Cliff like, give me a fucking break.

1192
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't focus on the characters we need to be

1193
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: focusing on. It doesn't give the screen time to the

1194
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: characters that we need to know I would like to know.

1195
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, It's like we know isis sort of, but

1196
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: we don't like. The characters that she's surrounded by are

1197
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: basically indistinguishable because we only meet them once or twice,

1198
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: and so it yeah, I mean, on and on that front,

1199
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: it's very frustrating. I am glad that you get to

1200
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: see women in conflict in a way that makes sense

1201
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. I'm glad that you get

1202
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: women with different opinions to some different personalities. You get

1203
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: to see them being athletic. There. There's there's a lot

1204
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: of good things going on, but there's a lot of

1205
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: fat that could be trimmed in favor of a story

1206
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: that is better and more interesting and just it makes

1207
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: more sense for this movie to be. Uh So I'll

1208
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: do two and a half. I give one and a

1209
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: half to Isis, I'll eve her hanging with the last half,

1210
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give the last one to tours

1211
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: Mom because she should take a science class. I will

1212
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: give this movie. I would say two nipples and like

1213
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: a hair, you know, two nipples and an ingrown hair.

1214
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: That's like one point. I did like that it was

1215
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: a cheerleading movie as well. It told my interests um.

1216
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: I did like that it had a lot of women

1217
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: and more women than men. And I did like that

1218
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: it was a movie where ultimately, like if you watched it,

1219
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: you could see that the women of color were in

1220
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: the right Like if you really like Waited Past, you know,

1221
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: they're little narrative, you could really see what was going

1222
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: on and then they want at the end. I liked

1223
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: that to know end. But you know, for a lot

1224
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: of the reasons why we've already discussed, like if you

1225
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't hold up. You look back on

1226
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: it and you're like, wow, this was this movie was

1227
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: trying to be something and missing that mark. So um,

1228
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,879
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give all of my all my nipples

1229
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: to the clover squad ahead and do that. The ingrown hair.

1230
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: Everybody else can fight over that. Yeah. This, I hope

1231
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: what happens with this movie is it becomes one of

1232
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: those stepping stone movies of like it did not do

1233
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: what it thought it was doing, and let whoever makes

1234
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: the next cheerleading movie learn from it, learn from its

1235
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses, and then we can just move on,

1236
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, because it still kind of did characterize

1237
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: cheerleaders in a certain kind of way is dumb, which

1238
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: is like you need to like you have academic benchmarks,

1239
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: you have to pass past high school. Stupid, Like that's

1240
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: not a thing, right, totally. Well, Maggie, thank you so

1241
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: much for drawing us. Where can you give it up?

1242
01:18:52,800 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: For Maggie? Where can people follow you online? Do you

1243
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: have anything you would like to plug. Yes, I am

1244
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. Maggie may haa haas Maggie spelled

1245
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 1: normally m A G G I E and then m

1246
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: A y e h a h a um plan c

1247
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: at the Park Jamie and I show they put on

1248
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: right here in Los Angeles, I mean Sam Angeles. And

1249
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: that was not that funny. Yes it was with with

1250
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: other past guests of the show, including Ever Maynard. And yes, yes,

1251
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: thank you again so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: Give it up for yourself, give it up for Aristotle US,

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Speaker 1: and give it up for the Ruby. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: everyone at the Ruby. And uh yeah, thank thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for coming. A great night, lad