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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Tottle Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants. I'm your host, John Schmelk. We like

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Speaker 1: bye we'll bring in Chris Busy Nano from Giants Insider

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Speaker 1: to talk some Giants football and Chris, you know, usually

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Speaker 1: the bye wee, you can relax a little bit, you

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Speaker 1: can stay calm, and you know, things come as you wait.

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Speaker 1: You can watch other games. Not a whole lot going on,

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Speaker 1: but not the case for the Giants. I guess we

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Speaker 1: did get to enjoy a football Sunday. But early Monday

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Speaker 1: morning news breaking the Giants making a change of quarterback,

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Speaker 1: going with Tommy DeVito as the starter this week. Drew

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Speaker 1: Locke is the backup, Daniel Jones as the number three.

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Speaker 1: Just give me your reaction and then we can kind

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Speaker 1: of dig into it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Not surprise, I think we will expect it Daniel to

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Speaker 2: be betched. Right, A couple of things came into play.

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Speaker 2: One just wasn't playing good enough. The Carolina loss was

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Speaker 2: not pretty, and the Elfant in the room John, where

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Speaker 2: he has that twenty three million dollar injury settlement if

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Speaker 2: he can't pass a physical in March. And now, look,

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Speaker 2: Joe Shane and Brian Dable will never say that, but

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Speaker 2: we know that played into it. You can't come out

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Speaker 2: this settlement, because that would be a problem with the

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Speaker 2: players Union. So as a combination of all that, that's

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Speaker 2: why Daniel's number three. They're gonna take a look at

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Speaker 2: Tommy again, which is not a surprise. I know a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are stunned by that because Locke is

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Speaker 2: making five million. I'm not surprised by it at all.

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Speaker 2: The simple fact is John, is that Daniel and Drew

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Speaker 2: Locke will not be on this roster in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna look at Tommy again. He did some

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Speaker 2: him pretty hard again to see if he is gonna

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Speaker 2: be honest roster in twenty twenty five. So That's what

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Speaker 2: it comes down to. Like you said, not a quite

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Speaker 2: bye week, and Monday morning we all got the news

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Speaker 2: that we were pretty much expecting. And if you did

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Speaker 2: not expect Daniel Jones to be sitting for the future,

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Speaker 2: then I don't know what planet you've been on this season,

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Speaker 2: because so without question, this was a no brainer and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the team was four and six, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a different conversation, right, absolutely, And his numbers are better,

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Speaker 1: and they're not lasting the league in scoring. It's a

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Speaker 1: much more difficult situation. And then the business park becomes

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Speaker 1: much less important. Right, you're winning football games and all

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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But the bottom line here is

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Speaker 1: that the reason they made the change was because of performance.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the team is averaging fewer points per game

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Speaker 1: not all the quarterback. There's that other things we'll talk

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Speaker 1: But you know, he's the most it's the most important

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, John, Like you said, with the Bie week, you

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Speaker 2: all that, there's no better time to do it than now.

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Speaker 2: The season is over. Everybody knows that. Now you start

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Speaker 2: looking ahead and John, look, we know this, bro, We're

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Speaker 2: Everybody has a hand in this. But he is the

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Speaker 2: And Daniel just didn't do that. It's just way too

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Speaker 2: much inconsistency. And now Davie's gonna move on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, and here's the thing Chris, like this is

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Speaker 1: it's always a rough day for an organization, right when

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Speaker 1: asking for this for a while, a certain group of

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Speaker 1: you well know, the many organizations around football can attest

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Speaker 1: to this, finding a franchise quarterback is a very difficult

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Speaker 2: John's the hottest thing to though. I mean, you see

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Speaker 2: I say, just argument's sake, the Giants finished top three

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a there's a ton of them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Chris, I mean, one of the most highly

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Speaker 2: Oh, not even close. I mean, I mean you could

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Speaker 2: So this year he's not the same Trevor Lawrence. So

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Speaker 2: I mean this and and everybody's excited. Like he said,

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Speaker 1: On top of that, Chris, you don't even know if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, look at this year's draft

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna fluctuate, who's gonna go down. It's it's very

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Speaker 2: very difficult. Probably the toughest thing to do is in

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of uncertainty, John, you know, and

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Speaker 1: Right, let's let's that's the future. Now, let's take a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Davill said the best today, John, He says,

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Speaker 2: see from Tommy. He gave it last year. He provided

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Speaker 2: You gotta get some more touchdowns, gotta move the ball

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Speaker 1: Has there ever been another time or when's the last

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Speaker 1: But there are two other streaks that go from one

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Speaker 1: the defense too, but it's a combination with this particular number. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you're not winning that turnover battle, it makes it

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Speaker 1: When they're plus two, they're thirty and nine. When they're

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Speaker 1: plus one, they're forty five and nineteen all right. When

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Speaker 2: Minus two forty five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, minus two, nine and thirty and then minus three

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Speaker 1: I know it's a boring stat and nobody likes to

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Speaker 1: not great in this league, especially when you're not one

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Speaker 2: John, Absolutely, And you know what, John, it's not boring stat.

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Speaker 2: I know people like I don't want to talk about. No,

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Speaker 2: it's key in this league. It's key. I mean what

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Speaker 2: God had five interceptions and still won that game. I

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Speaker 2: have never seen anything like that before. I mean, look

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Speaker 2: at the stats for minus one, John, I know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could not believe the minus one and the

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Speaker 1: they gave that to me. When you're plus one seventy

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Speaker 2: John, I was shocked that when you gave me at

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Speaker 2: I guess one of rules was that Lion game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one the was the Lions.

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Speaker 2: Was the Lion game. I figured that a couple of

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Speaker 2: mean no, like John, like we just said, it's not

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Speaker 2: and they say, come on, Chris the quarterback, it's everybody

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Speaker 2: this defense at John. You look at the defense this year,

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Speaker 2: other times. The one interception on opening game against Minnesota

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this the other day that they

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Speaker 1: Come over, drop Chris. They haven't dropped Eddie. They haven't

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Speaker 1: dropped Eddie like, they haven't had any chances, And you're

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Speaker 1: in look some of this. You can be critical of

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Speaker 1: the players and the coaches whatever, that's fine. You know,

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Speaker 1: you see in games every week some quarterback just air

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Speaker 1: it goes right to a safety. Like they haven't even

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Speaker 2: John, we sort of yesterday and I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: ball and yep, and the kids Smith come down to

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Speaker 2: pick at the goal line. And how many times, John,

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Speaker 2: how many times you come over and almost and had

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Speaker 2: I'm making is they haven't even come close to the interceptions,

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Speaker 2: which is John, It's mind boggling to me that usually

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Speaker 2: when you have only a few picks, guys, you could

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Speaker 2: look back and say, oh, man, if this guy just

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Speaker 2: came down with those two balls, if the safety rolling

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Speaker 2: unless I'm mistaken, I don't even call one ball a

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Speaker 2: you could have set it a Monday morning. Hey, Chris Man,

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Speaker 2: that bull's gotta be caught. A giant Look at that bull.

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Speaker 2: It's gotta be caught.

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Speaker 1: Not one I don't remember either it's mind.

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Speaker 2: Boggling to me, John, that hasn't happened. It really is.

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Speaker 1: No, it is. And look, and that's that's one stat

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Speaker 1: that's huge. And this is the one that Joe Shane

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Speaker 1: And that's the red zone stuff, Chris. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: That's three. That's ten potential touchdowns that you'll lose. Just

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Speaker 1: actually a fairly big number. Yes, And when they're inside

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Speaker 1: know that their touchdown rates at forty percent, and that's bad,

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Speaker 1: but just scoring outright, they have a seventy one percent

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Speaker 2: Well, hence why you're thirty second in the league in

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Speaker 2: red zone offense right there, and you can't win, John,

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Speaker 2: you better have a top three defense, top five to

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Speaker 2: win games with those stats. And the Giants, as we know,

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Speaker 2: do not have that type of defense. They're just not

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Speaker 2: good enough roster wise to overcome mistakes like that mistake,

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Speaker 2: if the mistake, if the mistake, that's stat you just

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Speaker 2: that's what it, John, That's why teams go too to eight.

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Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, And.

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Speaker 1: What's the answer there Chris, But I did think about this,

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Speaker 2: Than done, John, Yeah, and you're right, that's easier said

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Speaker 2: Beunger out and have flat. I mean that would shock

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Speaker 2: why isn't he more involved than a red? And you

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Speaker 2: just you don't see it and it's really hurt them,

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Speaker 1: And then the last thing I'll bring up on offense,

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Speaker 1: They've only had nineteen through tens. That's less than two

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Speaker 2: twelve play drives, dude, you have you need those.

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Speaker 1: By the way, another stat to back you up. They

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Speaker 1: lead the league in length of scoring drives. No one

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Speaker 1: has an average scoring drive longer than what the Giants

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Speaker 1: do to.

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Speaker 2: Your Yeah, and it's tough to win like that, John,

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Speaker 2: You need the big splash plays. There's twenty plus plays

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Speaker 2: and it just didn't come from Daniel. You know, it

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Speaker 2: didn't come from Daniel this season. And it's tough to

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Speaker 2: be team twelve play ten play drives and score touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: It's not easy in this league. Man, You're not gonna

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Speaker 2: win many games. You need those big plays, and the

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Speaker 2: Giants just happened even with elite, right. You just haven't

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Speaker 2: seen it this season. And Daniel has been inconsistent on

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Speaker 2: his attempts, you know, on the times he's gone down

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Speaker 2: the field. He's just been very inconsistent. And it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's mind bowling at times. John, I gotta be honest

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Speaker 2: with you, because you got guys with speed out there,

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Speaker 2: and you had a much better offense. You have a

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Speaker 2: much better offensive line this season and passed pro and

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Speaker 2: it's still hasn't been there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about the two positives and offensives

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Speaker 1: before we go to the defense, and you are at first.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Though, I'm not gonna say the offensive line is a

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Speaker 1: top ten union and that's fixed. But the offensive line

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Speaker 1: has been better this year, and you have to be

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Speaker 1: happy with how Carmen Brisillo has kind of put this

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Speaker 1: unit together. And I thought it was a good start

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Speaker 1: for Evan Neil last week on his way back, really

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Speaker 1: good in the run game, and he flashed him good

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Speaker 1: stuff in pass pro two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it kind of makes you won though,

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Speaker 2: like why Evan wasn't in it a little bit earlier

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Speaker 2: because he played well. He played well last week, you know,

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Speaker 2: and when Andrew went down and they went to Josh

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Speaker 2: thing and then they went to Harbin and all that,

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Speaker 2: and then they finally moved a LUMINOI over and put

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Speaker 2: Neil And I tell you, man, you know we're all wondering, right, John,

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Speaker 2: what's Evan gonna look like?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And he played well. I mean, you got to give

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Speaker 2: credit when credit is due. The kid played well last week,

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Speaker 2: you know, and before Andrew went down, this was a

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Speaker 2: good pass pro offensive lines, a pass pro line that

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen in years. Don't forget This is a

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Speaker 2: team last year that allowed eighty five sacks. Now, of

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Speaker 2: course I know it's not all the offensive line, but

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Speaker 2: the number was still eighty five and that is ludicrous.

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Speaker 2: So that was a much better line. I think Priscilla

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Speaker 2: has done a good job in a lot of ways

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Speaker 2: this year. And you have to like what Calm has

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Speaker 2: done with Neil. Now we'll find out more Sunday. You

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Speaker 2: know Tampa Evan's progress. But man, I tell you what,

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Speaker 2: a guy who wasn't playing in a while. I thought

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Speaker 2: he played really well last week. So and then you know,

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Speaker 2: Ilumino of a left tackle of Evan kid plays like

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Speaker 2: he did last week. And you know what, John, I

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Speaker 2: heard so many people tell me last week, Oh christ

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Speaker 2: come on, they played Carolina. They had ten sacks going

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Speaker 2: in twelve.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, John, you gotta start playing bro.

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Speaker 2: He played no but he played most of his STAPs

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Speaker 2: agains Jadeveon Clowney in passbro And Jadevion Clowney is not

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Speaker 2: Jadavion Clowney of South Carolina. I understand that, and back

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Speaker 2: in Houston days, but he's still a pretty good edge guy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: And I don't Evan did a heck of a job

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Speaker 2: on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I thought the run game blocking

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Speaker 1: better than the past game blocking. But again, first starting

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Speaker 1: a long time, I think you like starting now. You

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Speaker 1: hope there's an elevation and improvement from here. Other thing

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Speaker 1: on offense, Chris, you gotta be happy with the job Tyrone,

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Speaker 1: Tracy and the league neighbors have done early this year.

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Speaker 1: Those seem like draft picks that are gonna work out.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, no question. I mean, you look at Tyrone,

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Speaker 2: Johnny City yourself. Hey, we got out back for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five. We have our back, you know with Devin up.

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Speaker 2: But Tyrone's out back, no question. I mean three one

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Speaker 2: hundred Ydard Gas who expected that? Nobody saw it? His comment,

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Speaker 2: You know, the kid is a solid pack man. His

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Speaker 2: vision is incredible for a guy who was receiving his

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Speaker 2: whole college career except for his last year. His vision

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Speaker 2: is believable. And he's he brings it too, man, you know,

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Speaker 2: he he he runs hard man, he'll bring it. He will,

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Speaker 2: he will he brings a punch to you. So he's

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Speaker 2: been a very pleasant surprise. Mylik name is obviously we

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Speaker 2: saw this Johnson day one of camp. How dynamic this

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Speaker 2: kid is does he have to tighten up some stuff? Yes,

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Speaker 2: no question. Look I always say it like it is,

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Speaker 2: and I love Malik and I've been raving about him

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Speaker 2: since Last Otash last year. Last brings OTA's But Malik

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Speaker 2: also has to tighten up some stuff as far as

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Speaker 2: maybe some route running. And obviously we know we had

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Speaker 2: a few big drops this season in key spots. But

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Speaker 2: are we really worried about Milik as this kid? No?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this kid's a true number one. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a true number one. He's a number one. He's

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Speaker 2: a dynamic talent and all that. So you know, the

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Speaker 2: Giants have a number one heading the next year. They

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Speaker 2: have their running back heading to next year. And that's

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Speaker 2: always a plus because we haven't been able to say

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Speaker 2: we've had our number number one receiver, a true number

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Speaker 2: one for a while. Man.

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Speaker 1: of the ball. Let's start with the areas for improvement first.

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Speaker 1: And the run defense still not there, man, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that was a big focus for Brian Dabele

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Speaker 1: and bringing in Shane Bowen and Chamberlain has a great

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Speaker 1: history in Tennessee of stopping the run, but they just

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Speaker 1: have not been able to get the job done. What

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Speaker 1: have you seen there?

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Speaker 2: What I've seen is a few things. And you heard

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Speaker 2: this mention that a million times this season gap fits,

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Speaker 2: And I remember talking. I've talked to Michael fad a

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Speaker 2: few times in a lock room the ship. Micah talk

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Speaker 2: to me about these gap fits and all that, and

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Speaker 2: he'd just be like, listen, Chris, if one guy breaks down,

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Speaker 2: it's a trickle effect. And that's happened too many times

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Speaker 2: this year, John, And you look at some other thing.

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Speaker 2: I put some stuff on the X account. Cornerbacks got

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Speaker 2: cornerbacks not helping, gap discipline and just plain old simple football, John,

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Speaker 2: of guys not getting off blocks, Guys just look, John,

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Speaker 2: this game will always be the same as far as

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Speaker 2: you have to beat the man in front of it.

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Speaker 1: You got to block it a tackle man.

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Speaker 2: You gotta block, block and tackle John. How many times

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Speaker 2: runner backs in a second level? Then you see mistackles

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Speaker 2: and now it's a huge chunk play. It's a combination

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Speaker 2: of everything. And they haven't They just haven't gotten a

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Speaker 2: job done. And you know, we remember that quote from Dable.

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Speaker 2: Hey hey Shane and easy overhere to stop this run?

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Speaker 2: Can you stop this run? For yeah? Yeah, yeah, all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. They haven't stopped the run at all. And

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Speaker 2: it's been worse and worse each week. And it's all

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Speaker 2: kinds of different reasons for it. Guys in wrong fits,

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Speaker 2: not getting off blocks. It could be little things like

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Speaker 2: last week I put on something you know with Tay

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Speaker 2: Banks is coming on a sea gap run with the

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Speaker 2: tuba Hubbard and he's taken an inside leverage where he

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Speaker 2: has to be outside. Bring funnel him into Bobby Okurrique.

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Speaker 2: Little things like that. All it takes is that one

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Speaker 2: little thing and now you go from a three yard

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Speaker 2: game to a twenty yard game.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like down to down, Chris, that

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Speaker 1: hasn't been awful, but they're just too of those chunk

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Speaker 1: plays that just get killing them.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, breakdown and coverage at certain time. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit you say, oh, its defense has

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Speaker 2: been horribly and it has it, but it's been those

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Speaker 2: one two three plays during the course of a game

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Speaker 2: that has killed him. Now, last week was just a

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Speaker 2: bad one because Trouba Hubbard just he hurt them from

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Speaker 2: from the first series on they couldn't stop him. But

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Speaker 2: other games doing the course of the season, it like

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Speaker 2: two or three breakdowns that's killed him. You know, that's

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Speaker 2: killed this team and give up huge you know. So look,

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Speaker 2: the run game is just John. This team looking forward,

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Speaker 2: they need some help next to the decks big time.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna need a defensive line in big time next

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Speaker 2: to decks. They're gonna need a few things, you know.

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Speaker 2: But tackling has to get better. We've seen way too

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Speaker 2: many mistackles in big spots. And look, John, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about the defense in the cornerback position. That we felt

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Speaker 2: going into the season that we only have to worry

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Speaker 2: about one side of the field, Well this season we've

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Speaker 2: had to worry about both sides of the field because

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Speaker 2: Tay Banks just hasn't had the second season that we expected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your take on Tay because it's I go

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Speaker 1: back to the Philadelphia game where he had to play

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Speaker 1: where obviously he didn't go all out to try to,

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Speaker 1: you know, tackle jal when hurts on that scramble. Then

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Speaker 1: you look at other snaps and he's not letting aj

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Speaker 1: Brown get five yards off the line of scrimmage and

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Speaker 1: he's beating the hell out on one of the best

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Speaker 1: wide receivers in football at the line. It isn't an

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Speaker 1: every down thing for him either, No, they were just

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Speaker 1: there's a few downs in every game where he's just

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Speaker 1: not locked in enough, doesn't execute well enough, and bet

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Speaker 1: and when you're having a bad year. There are sometimes

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Speaker 1: when you're having a good year and every time you

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Speaker 1: make a mistake, it doesn't burn your team. You know,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback doesn't look your way, they don't run in

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Speaker 1: your direction, whatever the situation might be. But this is

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Speaker 1: the deal with Tay Banks. Where and whenever he does

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Speaker 1: make one of those mistakes, what's going right at him

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Speaker 1: and the other team. The quarterback doesn't overthrow the pass right, No, No,

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Speaker 1: he's on the money every time and or or the

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Speaker 1: running back makes the right cut, someone else doesn't get

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Speaker 1: off a block, whatever the case might be, it seems

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Speaker 1: every one of those mistakes have been amplified.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those. Yes. But the one thing, John,

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Speaker 2: you can never have an excuse for, and that's effort. Sure,

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Speaker 2: And we know what's happened with Tay a few times

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Speaker 2: this year. I'm not going to destroy this kid. I

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Speaker 2: know a lot of people want to destroy I'm not

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Speaker 2: like you said, John. He's also played a lot of

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Speaker 2: good football, but unfortunately for him, it's been some bad

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00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: football too. And what happens is we all know what's

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Speaker 2: happened with the fit situation. There's been some play that

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00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: Jerome Henison called him out. We all saw Jerome yelling

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Speaker 2: on him on the side of the jail and hurts play.

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Speaker 2: And there's no excuse for that, John. So he has

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Speaker 2: to tighten it up. He has to real has to

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Speaker 2: realize and I'm around Tate, John, You're around Taya more

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Speaker 2: than me. He's a good kid. He's not a bit

643
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Speaker 2: He's a good kid, Tay. But he has to realize that, Hey,

644
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm in the NFL. I got to tighten some stuff

645
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 2: up here because I'm won't be in this league long.

646
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: And I had a guy in the locker room. We

647
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: were talking about some things, you know, your younger guys

648
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: and and the guy have you know, a veteran guy

649
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: looked at me and says, well, you know what NFL

650
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: stands for if you don't start getting your stuff together.

651
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: Tay's physical Look, I think the system to John doesn't

652
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: fit what he does best. I think he was better

653
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: in the wing system. Now, that's not excuse. Everybody you

654
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: played through the system you are presented.

655
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, most systems in the NFL are

656
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: zone systems. Now people are only playing man twenty twenty

657
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: five percent of the time. Yeah, you better be good

658
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: at zone.

659
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: Yes, And look, we all know Bowen is a sixty

660
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: two per zone guy. Whatever it is something like that.

661
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: He plays a lot of quarters, plays a lot of

662
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: And I think Tay was a better fit for the

663
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: last system. And man like you saw physically was at

664
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: aj in that game. But that's not an excuse. You

665
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: have to excel and adapt to the system your defensive

666
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: coordinator presents. And he struggled at times this season, no

667
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: question about it. But John the bottom line is never

668
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: an excuse for effort. And I've seen two or three

669
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: plays from Tay Banks this year. We all have it's

670
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: this is not newsbreaking. We all know what's going on.

671
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: We all know what's happened in the past where he

672
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: can't have that, John. He has to realize that, hey,

673
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: no matter what, I don't care if I get beat

674
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you gotta bust it, man. And hopefully

675
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: he's look, he's a young kid, second in the league,

676
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: and hopefully he realizes that because if that continues, he's

677
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 2: just not gonna be around here. He's not gonna get

678
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: a second, He's not gonna be around here much longer,

679
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: because that is not acceptable. John is some of the

680
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: things he's done. Sorry, John almost say ahead shame because

681
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: it kind of overshadows some of the good football he's had.

682
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: Like even that Eagle game. John, nobody talked about how

683
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: he played Aj that game. AJ Brown. I'm sorry how

684
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: he played AJ Brown that game? Right, because of what

685
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: happened with the Jalen Hurts play, So everybody wanted to

686
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: talk about that, and nobody was really talking about how

687
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: physical he was AJ Brown and AJ didn't do much

688
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: that game, but that's what happened with it plays.

689
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you one hundred percent. Two positives on

690
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: defense I want to touch on. One is the pass rush.

691
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you would have told me before the

692
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: year that the Giants would be six in the NFL

693
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: and pressure rate, first in sack rate, first in number

694
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: of sacks, I would have sat here and been like,

695
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: all right, I mean, the defense has got to be

696
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: pretty damn good, right, h But their pass rush has

697
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: been very strong, they just have not put themselves in

698
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: the position where they're making teams throw where that pass

699
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: rush can impact winning or losing.

700
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: And that's what makes the turnovers that even more mind

701
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: boggling between us, because when you were up there with

702
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: right and pressure rate and mind you, Lily, they only

703
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: blitzed like twenty six percent of time or something. She

704
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: doesn't blitz much. So it's been a fun for and

705
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: you have that much pressure and you still get in inceptions.

706
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: That's what's that mind boggling to me too, man, I mean,

707
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: you don't see that very often, but John, Yeah, to

708
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: get back what you were saying, a lot of set

709
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: look dex has been unbelievable. We all know that, right,

710
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: And Brian Burns too. Brian Burns has had a you know,

711
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: TIBs has been out as he has got the six sacks,

712
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: He's played well in his snaps since Tims has been out,

713
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: get it to the quarterback. So yeah, that is a positive,

714
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: no question about it. Brian Burns has been hurt for

715
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: a while and he's still out there, man, playing every

716
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: step and he's had he's had an impact up front

717
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: two with the hits of pressures and he I think

718
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: he has six sacks now and so that's been a plus. John,

719
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: It's just amazing. I haven't got more eternal with the

720
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: pressure rate they've had now, I'm with you.

721
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: Other positive I think has to be the play of

722
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: the young defensive backs. I know Tyler Neuban hasn't made

723
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: as many plays in the ball as you might like,

724
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: but he does a great job of the line of

725
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: scrimmage with his tackling. And Drew Phillips same deal around

726
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: his physicality. You know, the screen game, The way he

727
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: plays that wide receiver screen game is really good. He

728
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: sets the edge pretty well, not afraid to go in

729
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: there and tackle. You have to like the early signs

730
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: from those two young guys. The Giants second and third

731
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: round picks this year.

732
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, John, you know what? And then why the Right Way?

733
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: They're why the way Joe Shan wants him, you know,

734
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: these kids of a bright spot. Look, I think Drew's

735
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: like second and TFLs to a second or third and

736
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: the team and tackles loss. He's doing that. He's a

737
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: very physical slot kid. You know, he's a huge plus

738
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: this season. And Tyler Neuban Loo kid's gonna come. It

739
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: might not be his shit, John, but Tyler was a

740
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: bullhawk in Minnesota. He was a bullhawk in college. It'll come.

741
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: It might not be this year, everybody, but it's gonna

742
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: come down the road with him too. And he's physical

743
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: up in that box. And we've seen him a few times.

744
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: She had take on Gods and just blowed him up

745
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: and just blowed him up and blitzes. Real physical. Because

746
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: so that's a big plus. I think they have two

747
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: studs there and they're Why the Right Way exactly what

748
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: Dable and Shane want in a football player. And that's

749
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: big because they'd the future of the team, right John,

750
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: I mean, look, and even Sane talked about it. Joe

751
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: talked about it. You know when he was asking about

752
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: the McKinney and you know him leaving in free agency,

753
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: and Joe was the first thing out of Joe's mouth was, Hey,

754
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: you know, we're pretty happy with Tyler Nubn. This kids

755
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: played the most snaps on any rookies. He's up there

756
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: with the tackles and all that stuff. You know, it's

757
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: it's it's a sucky part of the business. You gotta

758
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: let some good players walk up the walk out the

759
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: door time, you know, with the free agency stuff. But

760
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: they're pretty happy with Tyler Nuban too. Man.

761
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: All right, two two more questions to say goodbye. First,

762
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: one more big picture things, Chris, because I was thinking

763
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: about this over the weekend. You're sitting here watching games

764
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: on Sunday. You think of other teams that are built

765
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: to be successful, and you go, oh, well, you know,

766
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: where are the Giants. When you look at this right

767
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: and I think it about it, I'm like, all right,

768
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: what's the one of the toughest things to do getting

769
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: the lead edge rusher. Well, the Giants have one that's

770
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: twenty six years old. The Giants having a lead defensive tackle,

771
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: and those tackle very difficult to find. That's what was

772
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: Dexter twenty seven, something like that. Yeah, young player, right,

773
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: all right, they have a franchise left tackle that's in

774
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: his prime. All right, check the box there. You have

775
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 1: a guy who think is going to be a number

776
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: one wide receiver or another premium position where you've got

777
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: to spend money, your draft capital, final player at that spot.

778
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Check with Malik Neighbors. You feel like you have your

779
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: starting running back on a rookie contract in a rookie

780
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: year in Tyrone Tracy. You feel good about his safety

781
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: in Tyler Nuban. But in terms of those premium spots,

782
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: which I know has been a big focus of Joe

783
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Shane since he's gotten here, they have actually checked the

784
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: boxes on a lot of those premium spots where they

785
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: have players that you think are either already really good

786
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: do you think are going to fill those roles and

787
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: be really big you know, good players at those positions.

788
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: Now you still a spotlight corner where you're still trying

789
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: to figure that out. But there are pieces that the

790
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: most critical spots that are good that I think you

791
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: have something here that's a little bit better looking long

792
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: term than the record might indicate.

793
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and Joe is signing those premium spots. He's signed

794
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: Andrew Thomas to the extension. He brought Brian Burns over here,

795
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: so and he drafts Malik Navis. So, like you said that,

796
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: some of these premium spots they're looking good in, not

797
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: as the other stuff. But of course the main thing

798
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: is wat John, they gotta get this quarterback situation, right,

799
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: That's what they're gonna have to hit on. They're gonna

800
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: have to get that, and then you could take him

801
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: from mail. Look, Joe, Joe talked about an oppressor, right,

802
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: he goes, I don't feel it, but far off. You know,

803
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: I don't feel with it. Far off. You could argue

804
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: at whatever, but that's what Joe meant. That's what you know.

805
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: What Joe means by that is that, hey, we got

806
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: premium spots. We got elite guys at the premium positions.

807
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: And I think he meant far off from being a

808
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: competitive team, not from being a super Bowl winner.

809
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: You know, No, no, no, if anybody do it, Joe's

810
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: talking about super Bowl contended, then it just that's their

811
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: own agenda. No, that's not what Joe meant. He just

812
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: meant from being a good football team because they have

813
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: guys in the premium positions locked up, you know. But

814
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: obviously the big one John, as we all know, is

815
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: you could have these guys all locked up all you want.

816
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: If you don't have that signal calla, if you don't

817
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: have that leader behind Senna, uh that could you know,

818
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: take the game to another level, then you're gonna you're

819
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: gonna have a hard time. And that's something obviously, you know,

820
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the goalless offseason, no question about it.

821
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: They've got to get that quarterback, either a veteran or

822
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: vida draft one or the other. But somebody different is

823
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 2: gonna be in him next year.

824
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: All right, final thing, they do play football game in

825
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: five days, Chris, believe it or not. The Buccaneers cobbing

826
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: it down and the Bucks you know, you look at

827
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: the Bucks are similar to the Giants, just not to

828
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: the extent. You got a lot of the Bucks and

829
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: Bucks metrics like there. Their records should be a lot

830
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: better than it is. They've lost a ton of close

831
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: games this year too. Now they have a lot of

832
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: injuries and wide receiver. I don't know the status of

833
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. I have not heard anything yet. If he

834
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: has a chance to be back yet this week. Obviously,

835
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin's out for the year, Baker's played well. They

836
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: have two good running backs, uh Tris and Worse I

837
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: believe is out right for for a decent amount of time.

838
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: He's not gonna play in this game. Yeah, they blitzed

839
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: a lot on defense. That'll be something Tommy Devido is

840
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with. Oh boy, you know, this

841
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: is a game where the Bucks have kind of figured

842
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: out ways to lose games this year and in a lot

843
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: of similar ways that the Giants have.

844
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I tell you what, John, these guys, man,

845
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: their last two losses, that gut Atlanta game, in that

846
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: and that forty nine game, these guys are fighting, man,

847
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: and they're short handed.

848
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're playing close.

849
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

850
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: That them saying like they're not getting blown out, like

851
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: they're oh no, close games, man.

852
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely, these guys, you know, they they they're running out

853
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: of old friend out there stealing Shepherd that's who's in

854
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: a receiving group. You know, it's amazing they've been you know,

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Speaker 2: they've been devastated with injuries on the receiving side, and

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Speaker 2: Baker's fighting, man. You know, they losing some close games.

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Speaker 2: You know, and all that stuff, So this would be

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Speaker 2: a tough one. But you know this, this one's Sunday.

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Speaker 2: You know, Todd Bowles is gonna be oh what, who's starting? Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know he's gonna be sending out. Todd's very aggressive

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna be up to you know, Watsonday and

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Speaker 2: Tommy defil So that's gonna be a huge one of

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Speaker 2: the game. And you know what, you know what, John,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy for Shep. You know we all love Sheep, right, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy for him. He's getting some snaps now because

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Speaker 2: of the injuries and and all that stuff, so be

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Speaker 2: good to see him Sunday. I expect it to be

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Speaker 2: down to balls and it blits him how Tommy handles

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Speaker 2: it and all that, but yeah, it'll be It'll be

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Speaker 2: a good one to Tampa. Bay feels is still hanging

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Speaker 2: now with a line of losing Tune World Tampa, but

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Speaker 2: it feels it's still right there. So it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a huge game for them. Baker Mayfield, Hey, John, Baker's

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Speaker 2: playing well, man, I know he's playing well. That guy's

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Speaker 2: a different quarterback. The last few years. I give him credit.

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Speaker 2: I think we all saw to play last week when

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Speaker 2: Bose is hanging on his arm and he still makes

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Speaker 2: a play. Baker is a game. I give him credit, man.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be a tough one Sunday, and we'll see

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Speaker 2: what Tommy DeVito does and if he could provide that spark.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see, we will see. Chris. Tell the folks

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Speaker 1: where they can find all your work, my friend.

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Speaker 2: At Giant Insider, right x and uh the podcast is

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Speaker 2: at Giant Insider Newspaper and Podcasts. And thanks again John

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Speaker 2: for having beyond. But it's good talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Always good talking ball with you, Chris really appreciate. And

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Speaker 1: we'll see you here on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, see you Wednesday. That should be interesting to

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Speaker 2: lock it on Wednesday too. I have a film that

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Speaker 2: I have a Film's gonna be few people in on

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Speaker 2: Tommy's locker Wednesday after just.

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Speaker 1: A couple I think probably hopefully they'll clear out some

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Speaker 1: space for us to all squeeze in.

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Speaker 2: As you know, as a fellow with Tellian, I like

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Speaker 2: talking to Tommy.

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Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, Chris, good stuff man, See on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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