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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with you.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Lynn Key Tie with us, a physician and health

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Speaker 2: educator who after more than fifty years, pushed me aside

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Speaker 2: her medical career to pursue the mass UFO sighting known

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Speaker 2: as the Phoenix Lights twenty nine years ago. Lynn has

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Speaker 2: appeared on multiple television and radio stations including CNN, ABC, CBS,

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Speaker 2: Fox TV News and is here to share with us

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Speaker 2: some incredible latest information about the most witnessed and one

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Speaker 2: of the most important UFO sightings of all time, the

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Speaker 2: Phoenix Lights. Lynn, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Have you been uh just great? Thank you dear George.

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Speaker 3: It's wonderful to be with you again, celebrating the twenty

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Speaker 3: ninth which I cannot tell you, anniversary of what's become

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Speaker 3: the most witness most documented, most important mass and nonmalless

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Speaker 3: aerial sighting in modern history of not all of history

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Speaker 3: now with everything coming out at the top of the

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Speaker 3: list for one of the most credible mass sightings ever.

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Speaker 2: Lynn, where did the years go?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I can't believe it. I've been out

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Speaker 3: there for twenty years, myself since two thousand and four,

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Speaker 3: when I finally came forward after seven years of anonymity.

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Speaker 3: As you know, I did not want to come forward.

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Speaker 3: I had an early accomplished medical career and wonderful family,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, and it was very precarious in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and four to come forward. But I had pushed my

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Speaker 3: own medical career aside for seven years, searching meticulously for

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Speaker 3: a logical explanation which I have yet to find thirty

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Speaker 3: years later. What I did discover and I kept a daily,

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Speaker 3: daily journal every single day of everything of the history.

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Speaker 3: I knew nothing about this topic, so I really looked

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Speaker 3: into the history and the media and witnesses and so forth,

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Speaker 3: and ended up with a seven hundred and fifty page

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Speaker 3: journal seven years later. And as a actually my life's

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Speaker 3: work has been dedicating my time and my energies and

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Speaker 3: my money's to community education of vital health issues, starting

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Speaker 3: with NBC in nineteen seventy six doing health reporting, and

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Speaker 3: then a syndication grew from that that was showing here

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Speaker 3: started doing a program for NBC here and then USA cable,

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Speaker 3: and finally in the mid eighties, was seeing kids in

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Speaker 3: the practice that were drowning in substance abuse and wanted

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Speaker 3: to do something credible and impactful for the classroom to

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Speaker 3: wake them up, and ended up taking kids that had

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Speaker 3: been there to tell their stories experts in the field,

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Speaker 3: and then brought in my other head, which I think

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Speaker 3: you know, George. Before I went to medical school, I

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Speaker 3: was in professional musical theater and had celebrities giving poignant

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Speaker 3: messages from Sylvester Salone, Mi Kid Johnson and the original

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Speaker 3: to hit them with everything and wake them up to

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Speaker 3: the reality of Sustan's abuse. And it was so successful

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Speaker 3: Entertainment Industry Council picked it up, Discovery Education picked it

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Speaker 3: up for a couple of decades my curriculum, and I

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Speaker 3: did an agent tee pregnancy one as well, and then

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Speaker 3: this fell in my life. And what do you do

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Speaker 3: with that after you research it for seven years and

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Speaker 3: find that there is so much credible data out there,

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Speaker 3: and especially talking to the witnesses. And we'll get to

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Speaker 3: that but if you want to get into what happened

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Speaker 3: in March thirteenth, which is tomorrow or now it's now

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Speaker 3: actually March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, we can do that.

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Speaker 2: And how many witnesses do you think spotted these objects

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Speaker 2: in ninety seven?

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Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness. You know there's so much myths and

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Speaker 3: disinformation out there, George. It wasn't just one or two

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Speaker 3: They thousands of people, thousands of people all over the

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Speaker 3: glimpse of the Heilbob Common. It was very clear in

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Speaker 3: one of these objects, we're not just talking about lights, okay,

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Speaker 3: We're also talking about actual craft. And if anyone wants

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Speaker 3: tried to compose a website that's packed with information, including

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Speaker 3: optical experts across the board. They're true one notes, no

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Speaker 3: year study. And I'll get to how many people saw this,

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Speaker 3: Because there was a twelve year study, hundreds of people.

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Speaker 3: intricate scientific study of experiencers now and what we're finding out.

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Speaker 3: And if you go either way, your Coast to Coast

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Speaker 3: was so gracious to actually have a page. I think

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Speaker 3: you still have it where people can go that saw

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Speaker 3: website on the landing page. If you saw something similar

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Speaker 3: to the Phoenix Lights or if you saw it on

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Speaker 3: March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, please join us and please

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Speaker 3: people were seeing. I mean, not only were these phenomena gliding,

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Speaker 3: And ultimately that's what the investigators concluded. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: And by the way, at three am, people don't know

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Speaker 3: talking about a lot after the Lloyd March thirteenth for

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Speaker 3: we also helped a number of people said that they

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Speaker 4: And I know you're going to want some after hearing this.

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Speaker 4: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: I understand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years old now,

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Speaker 5: It was Tie's book actually that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immunal modulator, and

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Speaker 4: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 5: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 5: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 5: The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 5: no way that's gonna wow. It's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 1: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 4: It's great to see him so happy and yeah, competent,

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Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.

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Speaker 4: Hi, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Now I want to ask you, how did the Phoenix

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Speaker 3: Okay, what happened? Are you asking me now?

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you now?

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Speaker 3: It was very interesting because there was one reporter who

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Speaker 3: he was on it. He did incredible, incredible interviews and reports.

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Speaker 3: The print media, on the other hand, pushed it way

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Speaker 3: have thousands and thousands of and you asked me how many.

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Speaker 3: We're estimating ten to twenty thousand people. That's you saw

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Speaker 3: And everyone wanted to meet with me and see my data.

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Speaker 3: whoever did this? I mean that was his answer. It

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Speaker 3: is really good, that's interesting a month later, on July

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Speaker 3: this time looked at the log for visiting Air National

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Speaker 3: sending off military illumination flares and Operation Snowbird. Now Here,

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Speaker 3: we think snowbirds are people that come in from all

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Speaker 3: There were six lights equidistant lights that were huge that

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