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Speaker 5: We've got Patrick no, Cy Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam
Speaker 5: in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans as we break down
Speaker 5: the Cowboys defensive matchup versus the filthy Delphia Eagles. I
Speaker 5: can't stand the Eagles, guys.
Speaker 1: The effects.
Speaker 5: I mean, if there was a franchise in all of
Speaker 5: professional sports that I would despise, it would probably be
Speaker 5: number one the Houston Astros and number two the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 5: And it's the only reason that I disliked the Astros
Speaker 5: more is because they're filthy, filthy cheaters. But then I've
Speaker 5: got the Philadelphia Eagles who aren't much better.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I actually kind of go back and forth
Speaker 6: on this topic in my head, and I have.
Speaker 1: Over the past several years.
Speaker 5: I'm Astros too.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, of course. But as a Braves fan, we
Speaker 6: handled that You're welcome world.
Speaker 1: The Rangers got them last year too. They did shout
Speaker 1: out to the ranks.
Speaker 6: But as far as like the my most hated Cowboys rival,
Speaker 6: I kind of go back.
Speaker 1: And forth between the Commanders and the Eagles.
Speaker 6: Now now hear me out there, because I'm of the
Speaker 6: generation where it was much more so that a true
Speaker 6: rivalry between Washington and Dallas. And then if you know
Speaker 6: the history between those two organizations, you know that Dallas
Speaker 6: doesn't the Cowboys don't exist in this iteration if they
Speaker 6: didn't have to extort the vote out of the Washington
Speaker 6: football team, Commanders whatever you want to call them, back
Speaker 6: in you know, the late fifties, nineteen sixty using their
Speaker 6: own college football song against them, whatever, whatever. So the
Speaker 6: legacy is deeper as far as the hate goes between
Speaker 6: Washington and Dallas. However, as far as recency goes, yes,
Speaker 6: you are hard pressed as a Cowboys fan to hate
Speaker 6: another franchise more than you hate the Philadelphia Is.
Speaker 7: It the best rivalry in all of football?
Speaker 5: And like pro football, in.
Speaker 1: Pro football, it's only where both teams are good, I think.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm trying to think of any of the
Speaker 5: ones that would equal that. I'd say Packers Niners. Packers
Speaker 5: Bears Bears Niners is good because it's just California. Packers
Speaker 5: Vikings is good of those northern matchups because they've been
Speaker 5: around for one hundred years Taylors Brown's but like down south,
Speaker 5: it doesn't get much better. And by down South, I
Speaker 5: mean Gallas specifically because also keeping them on.
Speaker 6: Cowboys didn't always weren't always in the NFC East in
Speaker 6: the first place, they're in the West.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's that.
Speaker 8: The Raiders was really Yeah, it's because they used they
Speaker 8: had to cancelor preseason games because there were so many fights.
Speaker 1: N Oh wow, I like that.
Speaker 7: I just think as far as now and nationally it
Speaker 7: to me, it seems Cowboys Eagles is always the marquee
Speaker 7: matchup and it's always you know, highlighted. You know, you
Speaker 7: see those two teams collide, and it's always h it's
Speaker 7: always money, you know what I mean, Like, there's there's
Speaker 7: always some stakes to it, not not only the fact
Speaker 7: that you're in the same division, but I just think
Speaker 7: that it's crazy to me that it's still so relevant.
Speaker 7: And the top two quarterbacks have faced each other twice ever,
Speaker 7: Dak Prescott have only played each other twice and thelast
Speaker 7: year so one was twenty twenty one, and then the
Speaker 7: other was twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: As far as oh was it so one last year
Speaker 5: and one.
Speaker 7: In twenty twenty three. Yeah, twenty twenty one Week three,
Speaker 7: Cowboys defeated the Eagles forty one twenty one, and then
Speaker 7: their second matchup was last year November Week nine. Funny enough,
Speaker 7: Eagles defeated the Cowboys twenty eight, twenty three.
Speaker 6: You know, I'll say this though, as this is what
Speaker 6: I mean when I say I circle back to the Commanders.
Speaker 6: So the Commanders are red hot again. They might be
Speaker 6: good going forward, right, likely good going forward. And then
Speaker 6: you add the added spice of who they led, Dan
Speaker 6: Quinn and some of the players that are helping them
Speaker 6: to excel our former Cowboys like Durrence Armstrong and Tyler
Speaker 6: Biadish and Dante Fowler.
Speaker 1: So all things.
Speaker 6: Considered, by the end of this year beginning the next year,
Speaker 6: I might be right back on the Commanders being my
Speaker 6: number one most hated, but it's always gonna be one
Speaker 6: a one be like ask me any given week and
Speaker 6: it might be the Eagles or the Commanders, but it's
Speaker 6: never the Giants because I at least respect the Giants.
Speaker 1: Those other two organizations I can't.
Speaker 7: I just think in terms of like growing up, I
Speaker 7: never really saw a heated rivalry between the Cowboys and
Speaker 7: the Washington the Washington.
Speaker 5: Team, the Washington It was just I was there with you,
Speaker 5: I mean, same generation. I mean the best that Washington
Speaker 5: was was whenever it was the r G three years,
Speaker 5: the first two years and then kind of pitter patterned
Speaker 5: until Kirk Cousins kind of gave them something to cheer about.
Speaker 5: They were never really a threat. But when we were
Speaker 5: growing up, it was the Giants and the Cowboys were
Speaker 5: always good at the same time. The Cowboys. Yeah, like
Speaker 5: that was kind of the rivalry at that point, but
Speaker 5: it was always for me, it was always still the Eagles,
Speaker 5: Donovan McNabb and what they were doing early. It was
Speaker 5: always that that Green See.
Speaker 6: That's really when the Eagles hate ratcheted up for me,
Speaker 6: was that Andy Reid era. For sure, that really became
Speaker 6: the the whole t O thing. And he's former he's
Speaker 6: Eagle now's yeah, that kind of shifted it. But like
Speaker 6: I said, if the Commanders keep being good and they
Speaker 6: have uh former guys from Dallas over there helping them,
Speaker 6: that's just it adds more to the drama because it's like,
Speaker 6: how Darius.
Speaker 7: I've never hated a team more than whenever DeMarco Murray
Speaker 7: went to go play for Thes, I've never hated it's.
Speaker 1: How that work.
Speaker 7: I know it didn't work, but that was the the
Speaker 7: most he hated Hed I've ever been over any transaction
Speaker 7: and audacity.
Speaker 5: I feel like and I feel like that that was
Speaker 5: a similar sentiment whenever Terrell Owens came to Dallas. Thing
Speaker 5: on the opposite side for Philadelphia because they and he
Speaker 5: came over at the end of the day.
Speaker 6: Even though the Cowboys are playing bad football right now,
Speaker 6: the little brother is still the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: Still little Brother.
Speaker 6: We don't have a Philadelphia week here in Dallas, they
Speaker 6: have a Dallas week.
Speaker 1: So the little Brother syndrome is rampant.
Speaker 7: And when Sirianni was wearing a beat Dallas shirt during our.
Speaker 5: I think he still probably hasn't. I'm sure there's a
Speaker 5: little works out in it.
Speaker 1: The punchable face in the NFL absolutely healthy.
Speaker 6: Commanders are still suffering from some little brother syndrome, even
Speaker 6: even though they're off on a tear right now and
Speaker 6: the Cowboys are spirally. I saw a video last week
Speaker 6: after they win with the fans were like, we want
Speaker 6: Dallas what.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what you're begging for? Three?
Speaker 5: For sure?
Speaker 6: You probably do, yeah, if I'm being completely right, So
Speaker 6: that's what I mean, where it's just like, come on,
Speaker 6: just relax.
Speaker 5: Well, I love this. I love this. It's the first
Speaker 5: real rivalry of the year, and of course it hasn't
Speaker 5: gone well for one team and it's gone pretty well
Speaker 5: for the other team.
Speaker 7: Going into the Giants at all in this conversation, I
Speaker 7: did just.
Speaker 1: In the aspect of it.
Speaker 6: I don't, yeah, I don't hate the Giants. I respect them,
Speaker 6: but it's just it's a healthy dislike, right. It's one
Speaker 6: of those rivalries where it's like you can be around
Speaker 6: Giants fans and they'll talk their trash.
Speaker 1: You will talk your trash.
Speaker 6: But at least four rings, five rings, Okay, fine, those
Speaker 6: other two organizations.
Speaker 1: It's like for all the trash talking. It's taking you
Speaker 1: so long.
Speaker 5: Nah, giants suck too. All right, give me some give
Speaker 5: me some news and notes.
Speaker 6: Hi, all right, we're gonna just kind of spin off
Speaker 6: of yesterday. So obviously we had the breaking news yesterday
Speaker 6: and we talked ad nauseam about it. Check out yesterday's
Speaker 6: episode title being is Mingo a Bengo? We all feel
Speaker 6: very strongly in a couple of directions, Oh that's a bingo,
Speaker 6: but it's not so Cowboys, Akuai Jonathan Mingo and a
Speaker 6: seventh round pick for next year in exchange for a
Speaker 6: twenty twenty five fourth round pick.
Speaker 5: Check Out our take on yesterday's episode real quickly. On
Speaker 5: top of that, are you going to add to it
Speaker 5: from Mingo?
Speaker 1: Well, not form Mingo?
Speaker 5: Okay, I want to hit Mingo real quick. I thought
Speaker 5: we did a really good job of breaking it down
Speaker 5: because my my initial thought after the trade is was,
Speaker 5: I mean, we were thinking in real time whenever it
Speaker 5: came to the show yesterday, because it break you five
Speaker 5: minutes before we popped on air. Now, yeah, maybe not
Speaker 5: even five minutes. I I don't change the way that
Speaker 5: I view the trade. I don't like the compensation. It's
Speaker 5: also not a twenty twenty four move. This was not
Speaker 5: a this year move. This was a twenty five to
Speaker 5: twenty sixth move to try and build depth a Monks
Speaker 5: your wide receiver room. Is that enough to give up
Speaker 5: a fourth round pick and return a seventh Absolutely not.
Speaker 5: And I went back and watched the film. I made
Speaker 5: one statement yesterday. I was like, yeah, help solidify your
Speaker 5: wide receiver room. Thinking positively about Jonathan Mingo. He's got
Speaker 5: a lot of work to do. And I said it yesterday.
Speaker 5: I'll say it again. He was in a bad, bad capital,
Speaker 5: bad offense in Carolina. But there are some things that
Speaker 5: were bad, bad about Jonathan Mingo. He's got to be
Speaker 5: better in Dallas. He's got to take a step up.
Speaker 5: Not solidified with his hands. I mean, the target share
Speaker 5: is significant. He had a bevy of opportunities and he
Speaker 5: didn't take advantage of it. I thought Bobby Belt hit
Speaker 5: a stat earlier he did that was really good on Twitter.
Speaker 5: We're out of all of the target shares in the
Speaker 5: NFL since he was drafted in twenty twenty three, he
Speaker 5: has the lowest catch percentage out of all of them.
Speaker 5: With guys with ninety targets or more so, gotta be
Speaker 5: better in terms of the opportunities that are given. Maybe
Speaker 5: a little bit more separation would help him out. He's
Speaker 5: not building separation. His route running was not very good.
Speaker 5: He was kind of relying on his size to make
Speaker 5: the grab every once in a while and kind of
Speaker 5: a body catcher at times too. We love those guys here. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's a couple of those. Yeah. So doesn't mean that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean that it's the be all end all.
Speaker 5: He's a second round pick for a reason. I had
Speaker 5: a fourth round grade on him, so I thought he
Speaker 5: maybe went a little bit high in the draft in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three. But going back and watching the film,
Speaker 5: there were some good things I liked. I like the
Speaker 5: way he is physical. Uh he will go up and
Speaker 5: get a jump ball. And he does bring an element
Speaker 5: of size that this offense doesn't have whenever it comes
Speaker 5: to the wide receiver position, because if you think about it,
Speaker 5: all your guys are kind of small, maybe Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 6: So that perfect segue because something that we didn't touch
Speaker 6: on yesterday, because again we were talking about it and
Speaker 6: processing it in real time. A few minutes after it happened,
Speaker 6: I sat with it yesterday and it hit me at
Speaker 6: my desk and I asked this question Nick Eaven As
Speaker 6: soon as the light bulb came on. I was like,
Speaker 6: so for all of the talkers were saying, And of
Speaker 6: course I am absolutely not a fan of the fourth
Speaker 6: round compensation. I'm also not a fan of the timing
Speaker 6: of it. We talked about that yesterday. Go watch yesterday's
Speaker 6: episode if you want to know what I mean by
Speaker 6: the timing of it and why it should have been
Speaker 6: done sooner. If this is what you were going to do,
Speaker 6: then it would have been less expensive. What about Flinoy?
Speaker 6: What does this say that what the Cowboys saying about
Speaker 6: Ryan Flinoy.
Speaker 7: It's indicative of the coaching staff and how they feel
Speaker 7: about him.
Speaker 6: Right, So cow poses a wonderful question, a wonderful statement,
Speaker 6: I should say, because he says, well, the Cowboys don't
Speaker 6: have the size that Jonathan Mingo brings. Well, actually they do,
Speaker 6: and his name is Ryan Flinoy, and they have a
Speaker 6: guy who can high point, who can attack at the
Speaker 6: point of attack and be physical in how he runs
Speaker 6: and sheds, etcetera, etcetera. But we've not seen him get
Speaker 6: those opportunity of these even with the absence of Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 6: we just haven't seen Floyd get the opportunities.
Speaker 1: So it just it makes me.
Speaker 6: Wonder because somebody that is as freakishly athletic as Ryan
Speaker 6: Flanoy is to have not gotten the opportunities in games
Speaker 6: to know what that data set looks like it but
Speaker 6: then to give up a fourth round pick for a
Speaker 6: guy whose data set does not look great, like Kyle
Speaker 6: is saying, like Bobby so eloquently stated on Twitter, who
Speaker 6: had Who's raw and has so much you know, more
Speaker 6: growth to do. My question is, if you put Flanoy
Speaker 6: next to Mingo right now, if you put them on
Speaker 6: the field right now, who's better? It might be Flanoy,
Speaker 6: just because you don't know exactly My point, so which
Speaker 6: deepens my take on you give up a fourth round
Speaker 6: pick for So I was out on the fourth round
Speaker 6: pick before it hit me yesterday when I was like,
Speaker 6: wait a minute, Ryan Flinoy. Now it's like, oh oh,
Speaker 6: now I'm super out.
Speaker 5: Based based on the film that I've seen from the
Speaker 5: two and Flinoy specifically in the preseason, because he hasn't
Speaker 5: had it enough run and enough sample size, so I
Speaker 5: get it in the regular season. I think Mingo is
Speaker 5: a more skilled wide receiver then then Flinoy. But to
Speaker 5: your point, is it enough to give up a fourth
Speaker 5: round correct?
Speaker 6: No, I'm in the middle of a rookie season of
Speaker 6: a guy, so the skill set might be better as
Speaker 6: far as a little bit, a little bit more refined. Sure,
Speaker 6: athleticism goes to Flinoy.
Speaker 1: So it's a wash.
Speaker 7: But what if did with his first reception? That's fair
Speaker 7: and when and wepulated how McCarthy and the coaches I
Speaker 7: feel about players at fumble. I mean, and.
Speaker 6: I don't disagree with with that, because guys need to
Speaker 6: learn not to give the ball away right on a
Speaker 6: team that's spirally, you gotta protect.
Speaker 7: The ball on a team desperate, and you cannot that.
Speaker 6: That And and I guess this goes back to what
Speaker 6: I was saying yesterday as far as the timing is concerned,
Speaker 6: and I would if you wanted to make this Jonathan
Speaker 6: Mango trade, I say you make it three weeks ago,
Speaker 6: because there's certain things you knew at that time. Cooks
Speaker 6: on iar. You knew what teams you were going to
Speaker 6: go up against. You knew your offense was starting out
Speaker 6: in the red zone, and you needed to spark. That
Speaker 6: would have been also the time and or the time
Speaker 6: for you to just unleash Ryan Flinoy and see what
Speaker 6: you have there before you pulled the trigger on the
Speaker 6: trade deadline for Mingo. So one of those two things
Speaker 6: I would have liked to see happened, but neither of
Speaker 6: those things happen. So now you give up a fourth
Speaker 6: round of for Mango, and you bring them into a
Speaker 6: situation wherein you don't know that Flinoy is or is
Speaker 6: not better, or can or cannot.
Speaker 1: Be what you want Mingo to be, and you have Flinoy.
Speaker 6: You have more control over Flinoy as far as contractually
Speaker 6: because he's still a rookie, so you still have him
Speaker 6: for another three and a half years, right.
Speaker 1: So it's so many question marks there.
Speaker 7: But you know, but I think to what Kyle's point though,
Speaker 7: it's like they probably just are not liking what they're seeing.
Speaker 5: It's gotta be something if we're not seeing.
Speaker 7: Him on the field, Obviously there's something there about Flinoy
Speaker 7: that they're like.
Speaker 5: Especially especially if it's an element and a role that
Speaker 5: they felt that needed to be filled to the point
Speaker 5: where they are going to swap a fourth and a
Speaker 5: seventh round pick. If they think it's that important for
Speaker 5: that role, that physicality to be in your wide receiver room,
Speaker 5: and you haven't shown Ryan Flanoy snaps or given him opportunities,
Speaker 5: then yeah, I think that's there's something else there that
Speaker 5: we just don't know.
Speaker 6: Possibly, do you do you feel like Flinoy's skill set
Speaker 6: could serve the Cowboys offense will in the red zone?
Speaker 5: That's about That's about all I have confidence.
Speaker 1: Okay, Right, so it's been.
Speaker 7: Clear as far as the preseason goes, even which.
Speaker 1: Goes to the second part of this question.
Speaker 6: If you're bringing in Mingo to kind of be what
Speaker 6: Flinoy may not be for you in the red zone yet,
Speaker 6: would you give up a fourth round pick full a
Speaker 6: red zone threat?
Speaker 5: No, but Mingo. Mingo hasn't necessarily been a red zone threat.
Speaker 5: Everything he's done ing between twenty.
Speaker 6: Respectfully in Carolina, he's not been of much of any
Speaker 6: He hasn't much of anything, and he's going to have
Speaker 6: to become that fairly quickly for the Cowboys. But I mean,
Speaker 6: realistically speaking, like we talked about, all things considered, including
Speaker 6: the fact that Deck is likely headed the IR which means,
Speaker 6: you know, he may not be back until December ninth
Speaker 6: against the Bengals. Then he's going to have to work
Speaker 6: off a little bit of rust, and then you know,
Speaker 6: Mingo is going to take two or three games to
Speaker 6: kind of learn the language of the playbook and his
Speaker 6: assignments and his keys and things like that. This is
Speaker 6: one twenty five move, but it's it's kind of concerning
Speaker 6: that you were buyers and not sellers. But that's two
Speaker 6: episodes ago. Go check out.
Speaker 5: I don't even know if I would consider this buying,
Speaker 5: though I know you you did. Technically you bought with
Speaker 5: a fourth round pick. I get it. But this isn't like, oh,
Speaker 5: let's go make an impact move because we're buyers at
Speaker 5: the deadline and we're gonna win in twenty twenty four. Now,
Speaker 5: this is this is something.
Speaker 6: Building you know, put in that conversation rather realistically speaking,
Speaker 6: you're right, it's not an impact move for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6: Realistically speaking, no, but technically because of the compensation you
Speaker 6: gave up for it kind of puts it in that
Speaker 6: conversation kind of, and that's what makes it uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you spent a fourth round pick on a possible
Speaker 5: wide receiver. Two but more likely a wide receiver three
Speaker 5: or four. Right, that's kind of what you did. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so lots to figure out there. For the Cowboys, we
Speaker 5: spent a third round pick in twenty twenty two on
Speaker 5: a on a wide receiver three as well as what
Speaker 5: is Jalen Tolbert?
Speaker 6: Also, what does it say about that the progress of
Speaker 6: Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean, because.
Speaker 5: Seventh round pick two, we're banking on set like No
Speaker 5: Brooks Trian Flinois. These guys are seventh round picks. You
Speaker 5: got one back. If you want to spend your seventh
Speaker 5: round pick that you got back from Carolina on a
Speaker 5: receiver two, you can throw him into the next two.
Speaker 5: I mean, come on now, Like it's not like they've.
Speaker 1: Been posing the questions.
Speaker 6: These are not necessarily this is just me posing the
Speaker 6: questions because I mean, realistically speaking, you've seen more from
Speaker 6: Jalen Brooks in the NFL than you've seen from Jonathan
Speaker 6: Mingle in the NFL. Is So if we're just talking
Speaker 6: film data sets and things like that, I mean you have.
Speaker 6: So that's what I mean when I say it's a
Speaker 6: lot to figure out, But I mean as it stands
Speaker 6: McCarthy doesn't have a contract beyond twenty twenty four, so
Speaker 6: there's not a lot a lot of time right now
Speaker 6: for McCarthy to get this figured out, even with Jonathan Mingo,
Speaker 6: so of course without Dak Prescott for a minimum before games,
Speaker 6: assuming they put him on IR.
Speaker 5: Jalen Brooks only has fifteen career receptions or thirteen career receptions.
Speaker 5: Jonathan Mingoes had a whole lot more than that.
Speaker 1: Fair enough?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean curious, since you have it in front
Speaker 6: of you, what's the what's the yards per catch on
Speaker 6: both of them?
Speaker 5: So for Jalen Tober, twenty six targets, thirteen receptions, so
Speaker 5: fifty percent catch raders, he has one hundred and sixty
Speaker 5: seven yards, no touchdowns. Whereas for Jonathan Mingo, stand by,
Speaker 5: standing by? Where's Mingo?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man, I messed up. I'm a slow typer.
Speaker 1: Oh you're a handpicker.
Speaker 5: I am a handpecker. Oh no, actually I'm really not,
Speaker 5: just in this very moment, I am.
Speaker 1: Are you pulling a job?
Speaker 3: Comparatively?
Speaker 5: Yeah, come on, comparatively one hundred and eleven targets for Mingo,
Speaker 5: one eleven for fifty five receptions, five hundred and thirty
Speaker 5: nine yards nine point eight yards per reception, so twelve
Speaker 5: versus ten basically, and neither neither had a touchdown. So
Speaker 5: the success radius on far fewer targets is better. Success
Speaker 5: percentage far fewer targets is better for Brooks those from Mingo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, outside of Tobert which his data set is growing.
Speaker 5: Outside of him. Man, this receiver room in ceedee lamb oh,
Speaker 5: it's rough. And Brandon Cooks who has to come back
Speaker 5: and work?
Speaker 6: And Rusto, I don't know, man, there's just so much
Speaker 6: unproving and it is shaky.
Speaker 1: It's shaky, all right.
Speaker 6: So circling back to news and notes. So that's the
Speaker 6: Mango piece. Cowboys made two other transactions yesterday. They released
Speaker 6: both cornerback Andrew Booth and defensive tackle Jordan's Phillips. So
Speaker 6: the trade deadline went as follows for the Cowboys. They
Speaker 6: acquired Jonathan Mingo by giving up a fourth round pick,
Speaker 6: and then they released both of their twenty twenty four
Speaker 6: training camp trade acquisitions in Jordan Phillips and Andrew Booth.
Speaker 6: Both of those guys were acquired in mid August within
Speaker 6: a five day.
Speaker 5: Span of Israel traded or traded the Vikings to acquire
Speaker 5: Andrew Booth.
Speaker 6: And there's something a caveat for the Jordan Phillips trade.
Speaker 6: I know some folks were asking me about that. That
Speaker 6: was a conditional move for the Cowboys. So the condition
Speaker 6: was that there would also be a pick swap in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty five, seventh coming to the Cowboys, sixth going
Speaker 6: to the New York Giants. But the condition was that
Speaker 6: Jordan Phillips had to play in at least two games
Speaker 6: in order for that trade to be acting, or in
Speaker 6: order for that deal to go through. Jordan Phillips played
Speaker 6: in exactly two games and then he went on IR
Speaker 6: and then he was released from IR.
Speaker 5: So does that count. It does, so that will go through.
Speaker 5: They will swap swap.
Speaker 1: The deal is done.
Speaker 6: The Giants are thanking the Cowboys for playing him for
Speaker 6: exactly two games to give up that six round pick.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Yeah, so Jordan Phillips, Jordan Phillips.
Speaker 5: And picking twelve will be picking two forty one.
Speaker 6: Well, right now, it all matters, right now, I guess.
Speaker 6: Oh no, you can make something popular the six round pick.
Speaker 5: Especially. Talk to me in in a couple of weeks
Speaker 5: when I get my ready.
Speaker 6: So Andrew Booth and Jordan Phillips. They leave Dallas with
Speaker 6: a combined zero sex, zero pass breakups, zero interceptions, zero
Speaker 6: force fumbles, zero fumble recoveries, and only seven combined tackles,
Speaker 6: and six of those were to Andrew Booth, only one
Speaker 6: to Jordan Phillips. So thou, yeah, those not great, Bob.
Speaker 6: Those two experiments. Those who trade experiments did not work
Speaker 6: out well.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's funny. Oh, it's not funny at all. Actually,
Speaker 7: it's really terrible.
Speaker 1: It just seems that every year to keep from crying.
Speaker 7: I know, I know, yeah, that's happening a lot today.
Speaker 7: It certainly feels like every move the Cowboys have made
Speaker 7: just has not worked so far. If you if you
Speaker 7: look back to the off season, I mean you think
Speaker 7: about bringing in like all right, you lose Dan Quinn,
Speaker 7: let's bring Mike Zimmer. Doesn't work.
Speaker 6: It's the quickness in which you Lozzie Smith.
Speaker 7: Let's rely on Smith, you know, you know, yeah, Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 7: I mean just just go down the line and everything
Speaker 7: that we're sort of banking on, like all right, let's
Speaker 7: take a chance, and let's do it this way every
Speaker 7: just at every turn. All right, well, let's bring Eric
Speaker 7: Kendricks into you know, uh, solidify the defense, right, and
Speaker 7: even that has been not great. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 7: a good addition to the to the defense, but I
Speaker 7: just mean it doesn't change.
Speaker 5: Your defensive tackles that are hurting. I was going to
Speaker 5: say and and yeah, yeah on the linebackers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean, all things considered, Ek has been
Speaker 6: still the best acquisition thus far.
Speaker 1: Uh, and it shouts out to.
Speaker 6: He's on IR right now, but prior to going on
Speaker 6: IR with that back injury, he was kind of a
Speaker 6: revelation in short order. So you know, a couple of
Speaker 6: them have worked out, but you're right, for the most part, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's not worked out yet.
Speaker 1: So I mean the fact that you were drawing out
Speaker 1: your words like this when you were.
Speaker 6: Describing that tells me exactly how much of a non
Speaker 6: successful stit it has been with the acquisitions.
Speaker 5: It is just not great, not great, not great. All right,
Speaker 5: let's take our first break when we come back. It's
Speaker 5: time to preview the Dallas defense going up against this
Speaker 5: Philadelphia offense. It's not going to get much easier for
Speaker 5: the Cowboys front seven going up against an offensive line
Speaker 5: that's finding its rhythm. And then a guy that you
Speaker 5: recognize from two games a year previously, but he might
Speaker 5: be in a different uniform and playing better than he
Speaker 5: ever has, Saquon Barkley. How do you slow him down?
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Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles and the way that the Eagles have been
Speaker 5: playing lately, it is a scary sight. And I mean,
Speaker 5: you got to give credit to the way that they've
Speaker 5: revamped some things. They lost a lot in the off season, absolutely,
Speaker 5: but they've found some guys. They went out and they've
Speaker 5: acquired Saquon Barkley. That looks to be the move of
Speaker 5: the off season, not only within the NFC East, but
Speaker 5: possibly within the NFC or NFL in general, because he's
Speaker 5: just been a dude so far this year. When you
Speaker 5: look at this offense compared to what it had been previously, Patrick,
Speaker 5: where does it stand out most to you in the
Speaker 5: way that they've taken a step forward.
Speaker 6: It's their halfback play is to play running back. And
Speaker 6: because they were always a team I don't can say always,
Speaker 6: but there were a team in the Jalen Hurts era
Speaker 6: wherein Jalen Hurts had to be the large majority of
Speaker 6: their rushing attack, right, and he had to kind of
Speaker 6: offset and create the balance so that he can then
Speaker 6: drop back and throw to Devonte Smith and AJ Brown
Speaker 6: once they acquired AJ Brown and Dallas Goddard in the
Speaker 6: post zac Urge era. But with the addition of Sakuon
Speaker 6: Barkley and the level of play that he is delivering
Speaker 6: for them right now, it's keeping Jalen Hurts fresh for
Speaker 6: the long run because he's not having to take off
Speaker 6: and run as much. But it also makes the things
Speaker 6: like read options that much more effective because you have
Speaker 6: no choice but to respect what Sakuon Barkley is doing.
Speaker 6: He's averaging just under one hundred and sixteen rushing yards
Speaker 6: per game. I didn't say one sixteen from scrimmage average.
Speaker 6: I said just rushing. But he's also doing it as
Speaker 6: a receiver out of the backfield. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 6: he's turning his back on guys and hurtling them without
Speaker 6: even looking at them. Right that play was unbelievable. He's yeah,
Speaker 6: right now, player the play of the season right now.
Speaker 6: So when you look at that offense, you know A. J.
Speaker 6: Brown is still doing AJ Brown things. Davonte Smith He's
Speaker 6: still very much a threat Dallas Goddard when he's healthy,
Speaker 6: he can still help stretch down the seams.
Speaker 1: But sa Kwan Barkley, his presence, his.
Speaker 6: Productivity, it just it blows up defenses because you you're
Speaker 6: having such a hard time stopping him that you're starting
Speaker 6: to throw an extra one or two guys at him.
Speaker 6: And all that does is open up things for Aj
Speaker 6: and Davante and Jalen to throw down the field. For
Speaker 6: guess who's the offensive coordinator, Kellen Moore, Right, so, and
Speaker 6: guess and Kellen Moore, although he's the offensive coordinator, he
Speaker 6: knows all the tricks of McCarthy's play scheme. He knows
Speaker 6: the entire playbook because to a degree, the Cowboys are
Speaker 6: still running a large chunk of Kellen Moore's playbook. So
Speaker 6: you better believe Kellen Moore is giving the want to
Speaker 6: keep so and now it's not even that, it's it's
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush on.
Speaker 1: Top of that.
Speaker 7: Exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's but kind of flipping back to the Cowboys
Speaker 6: defense versus the Eagles offense, man Saquon Barkley, I'm not
Speaker 6: going to say the Eagles are they go as Saquon
Speaker 6: goes because they were effective before they got Saquon, but
Speaker 6: they weren't.
Speaker 7: This No, it's it's scary. You'd think after Jason Kelsey
Speaker 7: retires from the NFL, to retires from the Eagles, you'd
Speaker 7: think they'd take a step back. And they have only
Speaker 7: run forward as far as the They've had injury and
Speaker 7: they've had tire. But if you look at the offensive
Speaker 7: line and you look at specifically the right side of
Speaker 7: the ball, you have Cam Jurgens at the center and
Speaker 7: he's graded at a sixty five Profole baff Focus run grade,
Speaker 7: but McKai, Beckton Lane Johnson both over eighty grade when
Speaker 7: it comes to running the Dame ball.
Speaker 5: That's pretty good, Bob, that's pretty darn good.
Speaker 7: You added the fact that Saquon Barkley, like we said before,
Speaker 7: is turning back the wheels of time and looks like
Speaker 7: rookie Saquon Barkley again, And not only with the speed
Speaker 7: and the agility and just the fierceness in which he runs,
Speaker 7: the physicality of the way he runs, but he's actually
Speaker 7: running behind a good line this time. He's not running
Speaker 7: behind the New York Giants of the last ten years. Right,
Speaker 7: And going back to the last ten games against the
Speaker 7: Dallas Cowboys, we've been able to bottle up Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1: True story.
Speaker 7: He's only had about fifty eight point one rushing yards
Speaker 7: per game in those ten games. That's an average, right,
Speaker 7: an average about four point eight yards per carry, which
Speaker 7: is not terrible, not great, but touchdowns, guys, you know what,
Speaker 7: he's touchdowns. He's had how many talk to us three
Speaker 7: touchdowns Saquon Barkley has had against the Dallas Cowboys rushing
Speaker 7: and no receiving at all.
Speaker 5: And then, of course this is during his time with
Speaker 5: a bad Giants offensive line and still able to do
Speaker 5: some things. Now he's got some pieces around him. He's
Speaker 5: got some guys up front that are blocking for him.
Speaker 5: The number that sticks out for me from Saquon, he's
Speaker 5: always had the production if healthy, it's the six yards
Speaker 5: per carry on average, nasty work, six yards per carry
Speaker 5: on average. One game that's over one hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: seven carries, he's averaging five point nine yards per carry.
Speaker 5: Freaking Ginger's he's been unbelievable. So and we talked about
Speaker 5: this last week with Bijon Robinson and the dynamic ability
Speaker 5: as a running back and in a complete back. You
Speaker 5: get it again in Saquon Parkley. You get another opportunity
Speaker 5: with the weapons outside. I called Atlanta Detroit Junior, and
Speaker 5: I think that kind of showed. And of course, Drake
Speaker 5: London leaving the game early didn't necessarily open things up
Speaker 5: for the Atlanta Falcons the way I think they anticipated.
Speaker 5: But Philadelphia has their own element to it. Maybe not
Speaker 5: to the same extent as those two teams do, but
Speaker 5: they win in the trenches a little bit better than
Speaker 5: I think the or the Falcons did this past week.
Speaker 5: I think their offensive line, despite the injuries, still finds
Speaker 5: a way to get it done. Jalen Hurts is still
Speaker 5: a dude. He has eight rush rushing touchdowns this year.
Speaker 5: So even with kind of what Patrick you were outlining earlier,
Speaker 5: a team that doesn't have to have Jalen Hurts run
Speaker 5: the football, he could still do that. And he can
Speaker 5: do it in the red zone. Especially the tush push
Speaker 5: is still a thing. It's still alive and well even
Speaker 5: though Jason Kelsey's not there anymore. But yeah, so my
Speaker 5: question becomes to you, is is there any level of
Speaker 5: confidence the fact that you were able to kind of
Speaker 5: have some success last week? You just didn't get run
Speaker 5: all over. You allowed some rushing yards, but you didn't
Speaker 5: get run all over against Atlanta. Can you replicate that
Speaker 5: and have similar success from a front seven standpoint against Philadelphia?
Speaker 7: I think as far as Colways go with this matchup,
Speaker 7: the Eagles have let bad teams come back on them.
Speaker 7: You know, like that, the Jaguars were very close to
Speaker 7: winning that game last week if not for a last
Speaker 7: minute interception by Nikobe Dean, and the Saints, who for
Speaker 7: all intents and purposes are a really bad football team,
Speaker 7: not when they play us. Of course, the very next
Speaker 7: week they let Man. It's felt like the Eagles were
Speaker 7: giving them every opportunity to win that game. At least
Speaker 7: in my perspective, you do have a chance against this
Speaker 7: Philadelphia Eagles team. However, it doesn't seem likely based on
Speaker 7: our performance, if that makes sense.
Speaker 6: When you look at the performances of the Cowboys, the
Speaker 6: injuries and so forth and so on, this game is
Speaker 6: so stacked against them as far as the variables are concerned.
Speaker 1: The only true hope.
Speaker 6: Is exactly what you pointed out, Ky, in that you
Speaker 6: hope the Eagles play down. If they play down to
Speaker 6: the competition, which they've shown that they can do from
Speaker 6: time and played down that will likely keep the game
Speaker 6: closer than what makes them comfortable.
Speaker 1: And then it's just a bounce of a ball.
Speaker 6: It's somebody make a big play here, it's a bad
Speaker 6: call goes against them, and maybe that determines the game
Speaker 6: and you can steal the upset. But because so much
Speaker 6: is going well for them and they're mostly healthy, and
Speaker 6: so much is going poorly for you, and you're mostly unhealthy,
Speaker 6: and you're still trying to figure out because you make
Speaker 6: a great point, say Kwan, outside of the touchdowns yardage
Speaker 6: per game, he has not done well versus the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Win loss record versus the Cowboys is abysmo. But most
Speaker 6: of that is with Dan Quinn as the defensive coordinator,
Speaker 6: not Mike Zimmer. Still trying to figure out where to
Speaker 6: have guys in position, things like that. This defense is struggling, right,
Speaker 6: so I think your best chance of stealing this win.
Speaker 6: Keeping in mind you also haven't won at home, so
Speaker 6: there's another thing working against you is the Falcons. The
Speaker 6: Eagles have to come in and look down at you
Speaker 6: and play down and think that, oh, well, you're not
Speaker 6: on our levels, so we can kind of take our
Speaker 6: foot off the gas. That's your only real hope is
Speaker 6: that by the time they realize that they've been playing down,
Speaker 6: is that it's one or two plays too late.
Speaker 5: I chuckle, because we started this whole show, despite what
Speaker 5: direction each one of these franchises is headed, and where
Speaker 5: these franchises are headed. We started the show by saying
Speaker 5: how much hatred we have for the Philadelphia Eagles. The
Speaker 5: Eagles are saying the exact same thing about Dallas. I mean,
Speaker 5: they cannot stand Dallas. So if you anticipate seeing the
Speaker 5: only yeah, if you anticipate that being the only hope
Speaker 5: is that the Eagles are gonna play down and overlook
Speaker 5: the Allas Cowboys in a year where the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 5: are wrong.
Speaker 6: That's not the it's not the only hope, but it's
Speaker 6: realistically speaking, it's in the equation.
Speaker 1: It's in the conversation.
Speaker 6: Because let's say the additional hope is that you get
Speaker 6: Michael Parsons back and you get durn Bland on the
Speaker 6: field for the first time this season.
Speaker 5: What's the possibility that those two things happen.
Speaker 6: Right now better than it has been? Okay, I will
Speaker 6: say that we'll see what today's practice. Today being Wednesday,
Speaker 6: we'll see what today's practice looks like. But Jerry Jones
Speaker 6: and Mike McCarthy both intimated that Michael Parsons and Duran
Speaker 6: Bland will have at least a shot at practicing today.
Speaker 6: It feels more so Micah than Deron, but Deron does
Speaker 6: have that chance. If Micah and and I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: say and or, but if Michael and Deron can get
Speaker 6: on this field for the Cowboys, then your odds increase
Speaker 6: question is, and I.
Speaker 1: Don't everyone's gonna say, well, how much you odds increase?
Speaker 6: No, see, not sure because when Michael was on the field,
Speaker 6: you still struggle with the pass rush, you still struggle
Speaker 6: to stop the run. Dron Bland, we haven't seen him
Speaker 6: on the field for twenty twenty four yet, and we
Speaker 6: haven't seen him on the field with Treyvon Diggs at
Speaker 6: all yet. But that actually makes things more intriguing for
Speaker 6: me because this will be the first time that we've seen,
Speaker 6: assuming he finally gets on the field, first time we've
Speaker 6: seen Jordan Lewis, Trayvon Diggs, and Deron Bland on the
Speaker 6: field at the same time as starters. So that could
Speaker 6: help you against the passing attack that is more or
Speaker 6: less three headed in Jalen Hurts and those guys.
Speaker 1: So there's hope.
Speaker 6: In that aspect, and that's rightful hope, that's credible, justifiable hope.
Speaker 6: But Micah is there going to be rushed or is
Speaker 6: he just going to come out and be the animal
Speaker 6: that he is? And what level can he take this
Speaker 6: pass rush to? Can he get back to it? So,
Speaker 6: I mean, all hope is not lost. All hope is
Speaker 6: not contingent upon the Eagles playing down because I get
Speaker 6: what you're saying, division rival. They want to smash and
Speaker 6: punch the Cowboys in the face over and over and
Speaker 6: over again. They want to drop a fifty burger and
Speaker 6: walk off laughing. True, but we've seen at several points
Speaker 6: during certain games where the Eagles will maybe they get
Speaker 6: out to a two touchdown lead, and they will take
Speaker 6: their foot off the guests and then they'll wake back
Speaker 6: up and they say, oh, okay, well let's play serious again.
Speaker 6: Hopefully the Eagles just get over confident. That's not gonna
Speaker 6: happen against the Cowboys. There's no way.
Speaker 7: They're dialed in for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, I just to see that bring us.
Speaker 7: Down to earth a little bit. I mean as much
Speaker 7: as a rush.
Speaker 5: Legacy game sounds good to me now that that's the whole.
Speaker 6: Actually, let's see if we can make something happen.
Speaker 5: Jonathan Mingo is gonna go off for one, ten and two.
Speaker 6: Tuddies, we're talking tomorrow, so you're going to have somebody's
Speaker 6: gonna have to have a legacy game.
Speaker 5: No, you don't, No, I don't, all right. It sucks
Speaker 5: to lose. It does suck to lose. I hate losing.
Speaker 5: That's all all right. When we come back, we talked
Speaker 5: about the ground game. That passing attack is still significant
Speaker 5: as well. Uh, you mentioned some of the guys in
Speaker 5: the secondary. I want to see more out of the
Speaker 5: safety bunch. Where can you see more out of the
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Speaker 5: All right, h. I mentioned the passing game. I mentioned
Speaker 5: the safeties. One of the big knocks for me this
Speaker 5: year for this defense when watching the film is how
Speaker 5: poorly the safeties have played. And there's been times where
Speaker 5: Donovan Wilson's been out of position, especially in coverage. He's
Speaker 5: really been bad this year. Better when he's playing down hill.
Speaker 5: And I thought he had a nice game against Atlanta.
Speaker 5: I thought he played better if he did he played
Speaker 5: better against Atlanta. Uh. Malie Hooker hasn't been perfect either, though,
Speaker 5: so in a team in a game like this where
Speaker 5: it is so balanced, where you do have Saquon Barkley
Speaker 5: on one side, and you have guys like Devonte Smith
Speaker 5: and Dallas Goddard and AJ Brown. I know Aj Brown
Speaker 5: is hurt, but you've got the weapons that that Philadelphia
Speaker 5: has at their disposal. How much does it rely on
Speaker 5: the safeties to be balanced and to be assignment heavy
Speaker 5: and to be where they need to be disciplined? Right?
Speaker 5: That was the word I was kind of looking for.
Speaker 7: That's the that's the word you need for these safeties, man.
Speaker 7: And like you said, Donald had a really good game
Speaker 7: in Atlanta, and I think a big part of that
Speaker 7: was he was disciplined. He was saying he was minding
Speaker 7: his his assignment and you could see that it bounced
Speaker 7: off the film there. So in my opinion, the safeties
Speaker 7: have to be disciplined, be able to trust in the system,
Speaker 7: and you know, like it or not. Man, you got
Speaker 7: to be able to pay attention to the details. And
Speaker 7: something that Jordan Luis has brought up before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, details, details, details now.
Speaker 5: He was the fifth highest graded defender last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made the PFF really made game breakers.
Speaker 7: On that list. Who was the top five?
Speaker 5: OS was number one. Osa had a really good game,
Speaker 5: uh Carl Lawson. Of course, he had two sacks, he's
Speaker 5: closing in on thirty in his career. Jordan Joja Yeah,
Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis is still a dude. He had a ninety
Speaker 5: coverage grade and Jordan's.
Speaker 1: Just walked through some pain to make that happen.
Speaker 5: This one's a little bit weird because he only had
Speaker 5: five snaps, but it's Mayor's Lea fal So I would
Speaker 5: really kind of say Donna was probably the fourth best defender,
Speaker 5: and I would agree with those three off of the film.
Speaker 5: That was OS's best game of his of his year
Speaker 5: so far. I mean, that was the best game of
Speaker 5: the season that OS has had. Carl Lawson, of course
Speaker 5: had the two sacks, so you got to give him
Speaker 5: some bedit credit in a minute. But yeah, yeah, best
Speaker 5: best one for sure of the of in a Cowboys
Speaker 5: uniform for sure. And then Jordan's still doing Jordan's things.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and consistent.
Speaker 6: It's good that Jordan's still doing Jordan things. Had a
Speaker 6: bit of an injury scare there in Atlanta, but right back.
Speaker 5: Into you expect I was thinking about that in the
Speaker 5: last segment when we were talking about Trayvon and getting.
Speaker 1: These guys back. I expect Jordan to play.
Speaker 5: I expect him to play, but I expect him to
Speaker 5: be on the injury report too. He was a little bang, that's.
Speaker 6: Fair, so they might give him. I mean he's going
Speaker 6: to get some treatment this week. Sure, and because he's
Speaker 6: going to get some treatment, he.
Speaker 5: May be limited or he maybe even a d n
Speaker 5: P is a veteran d MP.
Speaker 6: But as far as the safeties, I mean, you're right.
Speaker 6: The Cowboys need and this is this is true of
Speaker 6: all three levels. Cowboys need better play from everybody, but
Speaker 6: this question is focused on the safeties. So yes, you
Speaker 6: need better play from the safeties. Now I'm gonna go
Speaker 6: I'm gonna put on my Isaiah stanback head on this
Speaker 6: one and.
Speaker 1: Say thing and say that Zeus in La Yeah, say that.
Speaker 6: One of the things that is costing the safeties is
Speaker 6: their placement in this scheme. Right, I am seeing Donovan
Speaker 6: Wilson in coverage far too often. Right, go back and
Speaker 6: look at Donald and the d Q scheme, and he
Speaker 6: was much more of a downhill in the box, you know,
Speaker 6: mixed up and blitz package.
Speaker 1: Just claims playing to his strengths.
Speaker 6: Donovan Wilson this season has not been asked to play
Speaker 6: to his strengths, and it has cost him mightily even
Speaker 6: against Atlanta, and he rated. He grated very highly on
Speaker 6: a lot of different metrics, and he was one of
Speaker 6: the handful of guys that I'm listed as game breakers,
Speaker 6: and shout out to him for being Johnny on the
Speaker 6: spot getting that that fumble recovery as well. But so
Speaker 6: his tackling was better than I've seen in recent games.
Speaker 5: Got some numbers for you on that point. By the way.
Speaker 6: His coverage, though, he still struggled in coverage against the Falcons.
Speaker 6: So it kind of just all ties into what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: speaking to the Donald point, Donovan Wilson is a much
Speaker 6: better player than you're seen on film this season. So
Speaker 6: that led me to go back and look at film
Speaker 6: over the past several games and try to figure out what.
Speaker 1: Is it mostly Donald.
Speaker 6: Now, there's some accountability to donal as true, like mistackle,
Speaker 6: lack of execution, whatever the case may be. But Donovan
Speaker 6: Wilson has never been a center fielder. He's never had
Speaker 6: that free safety in him. But he's being asked to
Speaker 6: do some of that work in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Under some of it, some of it.
Speaker 5: Here's the numbers. I got to the numbers two hundred
Speaker 5: and forty three snaps this year have been at free
Speaker 5: safety for Donovan will not you know how many he's
Speaker 5: been in the box. Would you think it's more or
Speaker 5: less in the box?
Speaker 1: Less than the bucks, less than the.
Speaker 5: Box one sixty seven that he's had nearly one hundred
Speaker 5: more snaps as a free safety and as a box.
Speaker 1: This looks like a Cowboys cap.
Speaker 6: This is actually my Isaiah standback cap right some I
Speaker 6: got Isaiah standback on.
Speaker 5: Quickly, just for comparison references. You want to hear twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three, come on with it. Twenty twenty three he
Speaker 5: had two hundred and ninety six snaps as a free safety.
Speaker 5: He's almost reached that already. This year he had three
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty one snaps in the box.
Speaker 6: Come on with it again, I state and GiB So
Speaker 6: if you're wondering why Donovan Wilson was excelling under Dan
Speaker 6: Quinn but he's struggling under Mike Zimmer, I've said all
Speaker 6: season I'm more so looking at any better player execution,
Speaker 6: better player effort, things like this, But on this particular note, this.
Speaker 1: Is defensive coordinator stuff.
Speaker 6: Okay, this scheme is not serving Donovan Wilson well at all,
Speaker 6: and because he's being asked to play out of position.
Speaker 5: How many times have we said that about a key
Speaker 5: player on this defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's happening. But there's a ripple effect as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because every time he goes to free safety, it
Speaker 6: impacts Malie Hooker.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: So now you're it's this thing leads to the next thing,
Speaker 6: leads to the next thing. So I one hundred percent
Speaker 6: agree when it comes to because I can hear Isaiah
Speaker 6: in my hair right now, He's like, yes, that's what
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: So, I've been on the players need to play better,
Speaker 6: and that's still true, but on this particular note, if
Speaker 6: you want better safety play, you have to put these
Speaker 6: two safeties in better position to capitalize upon what they
Speaker 6: do well. Donovan Wilson is your heat seeking missile, sea ball,
Speaker 6: get ball, sea ball carrier, hit ball carrier, play downhill,
Speaker 6: play forward.
Speaker 1: You're asking him to play backward. That's not his bag.
Speaker 7: That's why he's stressed known that since his first snap.
Speaker 1: That's that's why he's sent.
Speaker 5: Him towards the ball, since he was playing at Kyle
Speaker 5: Field for the Texas A and m Aggie's you kind
Speaker 5: of knew running forward.
Speaker 6: Safety forward, and unfortunately it's it's caused a situation where
Speaker 6: rightfully so it's like, okay, well, if if you're Mike
Speaker 6: Zimmer and you want another cover safety back there with
Speaker 6: Malie Hooker, well you have a guy like one Yea
Speaker 6: Thomas and you have Marquise Bell. But those two have
Speaker 6: been mostly relegated the special teams, and now one Yea
Speaker 6: Thomas he might miss this game within the concussion protocol.
Speaker 6: We'll see what he looks like on the injury report.
Speaker 6: Something's got to change schematically. If you want the safeties
Speaker 6: to perform.
Speaker 5: Better, got to something's got to change. Came out of
Speaker 5: if you want, if you.
Speaker 1: Want any want to everyone to play better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got you gotta figure it out this week
Speaker 5: against Philadelphia. Tomorrow, we will preview the Cowboys offense versus
Speaker 5: that Philadelphia defense. What does Cooper Rush have up his
Speaker 5: sleeve to try and help the Cowboys find some rhythm offensively.
Speaker 5: We've got Isaiah back in the building tomorrow. He'll bring
Speaker 5: some QB vision as well. Taking a look at that
Speaker 5: Philadelphia defense. I think there's some ways that Dallas could
Speaker 5: still move the ball this week. I think there's there's opportunities.
Speaker 5: Just based off of the preliminary film, you can absolutely
Speaker 5: have some success. Could be a fun matchup in that regard.
Speaker 5: Maybe not as much as the one we talked about
Speaker 5: in that regard today, all right, but that's gonna do
Speaker 5: it for us here on Talking Truth, Talking Cowboys. Excuse
Speaker 5: me for just being in the back for Josh Roderiguez Patrick. No,
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