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Speaker 1: All right, welcome man. Late Kick is live yet again.

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Speaker 2: It is Sunday night, June twenty eight, the year of

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Speaker 2: our lower twenty twenty. We have got, as Patrese asked

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Speaker 2: me in the chat fifteen minutes ago, yes, indeed, a

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Speaker 2: jam packed show yet again tonight. If you're watching on

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Speaker 2: for that. We've got a whole lot to get to tonight.

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Speaker 2: We're going not necessarily in a preview magazine fashion, but

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Speaker 2: we're going to do some stuff that preview magazines do.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about some conference races. I'm at

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Speaker 2: the top, I'm at the mid tier, across the Power

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Speaker 2: five that I've got my eye on. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you exactly why i have my eye on. Then

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Speaker 2: we're going to span the entire country regarding that. We're

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Speaker 2: also going to span pretty much the entire country, involving

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Speaker 2: that hot seat talk that I don't think is going

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Speaker 2: to be nearly as relevant this year. However, there is

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Speaker 2: still a varying degree of pressure and need to win

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Speaker 2: now sort of sentiment around certain head coaches.

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Speaker 1: And you've got unique situations.

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Speaker 2: I think you've got a misunderstood situation at Michigan. I

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Speaker 2: think you've got an impossible to nail down situation at UCLA.

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Speaker 2: You've got a pretty obvious situation I think right now

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Speaker 2: at USC, maybe even on the other USC on the

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Speaker 2: discuss all that. I don't think I've ever walked onto

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Speaker 2: the set. For those listening on the podcast, I'm thumping

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Speaker 2: a book. This is not a bible. I'm thumping this

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Speaker 2: is The Tailgater's Guide to SEC Football, Volume five by

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Speaker 2: Chris Warner. One of the big perks of working at

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Speaker 2: twenty four to seven and being one of only two

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Speaker 2: people allowed in the building right now is I get

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Speaker 2: early DIBs on all the free stuff that people send us,

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Speaker 2: and Chris Warner send us this book. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to read you anything about tailgates, but later on I'm

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Speaker 2: going to just blow your mind. Maybe like two or

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Speaker 2: three of you know about the history of college football

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Speaker 2: in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds. The rest

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Speaker 1: Just mind the emoji mind will be blown. We're going

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Speaker 1: to do that. We're going to talk about Dallas Turner.

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Speaker 2: There is a big time commitment coming up again out

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Speaker 2: of South Florida, and yet again the Florida Gators are

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that. And also I've got a Q and

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Speaker 2: Of the show that involves Jimbo Fisher, and I think

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Speaker 1: A lot of you are doubting Jimbo Fisher.

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Speaker 2: A lot of you are doubting that he can ever

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Speaker 2: below Nick Saban. And now it looks like Saban and

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Speaker 2: in So we'll get to all that tonight. We've got

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Speaker 2: and in not so many words, or maybe more words

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Speaker 2: And there was overwhelming sentiment, not too unlike most preview

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Speaker 2: I was on the field for that game. It was

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Speaker 2: After that, and ever since then, obviously the focus shifts

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Speaker 2: Got varying perspectives in that fan base. You've got the

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Speaker 1: We hadn't won a national championship.

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Speaker 1: We're out recruiting them.

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Speaker 2: so until that changes, I mean, it's really hard to

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Speaker 2: From Florida's point of view, They're willing to forget last

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Speaker 2: The difference is you thought it was going to be

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Speaker 2: a lot of the sentiment will go from unbridled enthusiasm

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Speaker 2: it done. That's why Georgia Florida is on the list.

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Speaker 2: Make no mistake about it. It is all about Alabama

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Speaker 2: even when Alabama was running off seven or eight whatever

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Speaker 1: Those were nip and tuck.

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Speaker 2: And now LSU finally clipped them, and LSU got them

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Speaker 2: there are two perspectives on this one.

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Speaker 1: We're talking perspectives a lot here.

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Speaker 2: For Alabama folks, you talk to them, you're either gonna hear, well,

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Speaker 2: and know how it's going to play out.

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Speaker 1: But you'll see this year.

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Speaker 2: If Alabama goes down there and baton rouge and they lose.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you got back to back losses,

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Speaker 2: to LSU. I can't tell you if they'll have ten thousand,

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Speaker 2: at Horns twenty four to seven a few weeks back,

437
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 2: maybe like a month ago, they had Crystal Conte, the

438
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 2: athletic director at Texas. They had him in a live

439
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,719
Speaker 2: fan Q and A. I, to be honest with you,

440
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: had not listened to Crystal Conte talk a whole lot

441
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 2: about this matter before them, and some athletic directors are

442
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 2: vary on the periphery. They don't know the inner workings

443
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: day to day of the football program. Del Conte is

444
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 2: not one of those guys. Chrystal Conte is raise or

445
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 2: sharp focused in on everything Texas football. That guy knew

446
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 2: offensive line draft stats from Texas versus TCU and other

447
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 2: programs for the last decade, like he was dialed in.

448
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: Here's what made me think Tom Herman's fine. Christal Contes

449
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: started talking about that Sugar Bowl a couple of years ago,

450
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 2: the way that a lot of fans I've heard talk

451
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 2: about that Sugar Bowl frame it as is all right,

452
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: year two, we went to the Sugar Bowl, we beat Georgia.

453
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: The natural next step is college football playoff. And then

454
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: when they came back to earth perceptionally this season, and

455
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: it looked like they backtracked and they slid backwards and

456
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: they fell down the ladder a couple of wrongs. Everyone

457
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 2: started talking about how the program had peaked and now

458
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 2: we regressed and if he doesn't get it done this year, YadA, YadA, YadA. Well,

459
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: Crystal Knte had the proper to me view on that

460
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: whole matter. He said, there is a process to building

461
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 2: a program, and in a lot of ways we had

462
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 2: to rewire this program when Tom Herman got here, and

463
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: in year one there was progress, and in year two

464
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: he didn't say it just like this, But here's how

465
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: he framed it. You've heard me say before, I believe

466
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: in describing programs as being a caliber, a win caliber.

467
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're an eight win caliber program that wins ten

468
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: games just because crazy things happened and a lot of

469
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 2: other teams fall, or maybe you play teams when they're

470
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: banged up, or just you get really lucky in the

471
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: turnover battle and for whatever reason, you put up a

472
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: ten or eleven win season and you're really only an

473
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 2: eight or nine win caliber team. That's kind of what

474
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 2: Texas did in that Sugar Bowl year. That's how Chris

475
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: Decante looked at it. And so what he said in

476
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: that interview that made me notice is he said it

477
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: probably gave people a false impression of how far along

478
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: we were. We were not that far along to the

479
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: degree that it would normally take to make a New

480
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: Year's six game. When I heard him say that, A,

481
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 2: I knew that meant he got it, and B I

482
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: knew that meant there's no pressure relative to hot seed

483
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 2: or losing your job on Tom Herman this year, So

484
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm putting him at a seven. New coordinators both sides

485
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: of the ball this year. You didn't have spring. He'll

486
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: have every excuse if he needs it in his back

487
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: pocket to buy himself one more year, even if disaster strikes.

488
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 2: Now Clay Helton can't say that about him. We just

489
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: touched on him a little while ago. This one's at

490
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: a ten. I've never seen a more widely held consensus

491
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: again amongst a fan base and amongst a group of

492
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: supporters of a program, than I have with Southern cal

493
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: usc folks towards Clay Helton. There is such a widely

494
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: held consensus that not only is this his last year,

495
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 2: but last year should have been his final season, that

496
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: it feels, In fact, this feels more unanimous than what

497
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: LSU was when they held onto Miles one year too long.

498
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: You remember how that worked out with less Miles. They

499
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: retained him at the very last moment, and then he

500
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: only holds on a few weeks into the following season

501
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: and they ASTs him. Listen, LSU fans were still far

502
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: more split on Miles at that point than Southern col

503
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: fans are right now.

504
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: There's a much more widely.

505
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 2: Held consensus about what the fate of Clay Helton should be.

506
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: Now we'll see what impact that has on the athletic

507
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: director there in the president and the decision they make.

508
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: But I don't know how you go any lower than

509
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: a ten on the job security rating right now, ten

510
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: being a negative in this connotation on Clay Helton. Now,

511
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: how about Will Muschamp. This is South Carolina and this

512
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: is Will must Champ, and this is a lot of

513
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: moving parts, a lot of moving parts for Will mus

514
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: Champ right now. He needs to me two big things

515
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: to click for him, and he's gonna have to hit

516
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: the ground running with both of him because you have

517
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: no time to break anything in. He needs Mike Bobo

518
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: to be a home run or a grand slam hire

519
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: as his offensive coordinator. Now, for the record, you talk

520
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: to people in the South. I talked to one person

521
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: really dialed into that situation a couple of weeks ago,

522
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: and everybody inside football in the SEC thinks Will mush

523
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: Champ made one of the best offseason HighRes of any

524
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: coaching staff in getting Mike Bobo as his offensive coordinator.

525
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: Bobo was in demand.

526
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: He could have a number of high profile jobs, and

527
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: he went to South Carolina.

528
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: He chose to go to South Carolina.

529
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: They got Ryan Halenski back, that is Will must Champ's

530
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: hand picked quarterback. They got him back again this year.

531
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: So you hope that they're able to click offensively early on.

532
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: There's been no consistency, there's been no identity. They haven't

533
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: even had healthy players on the field to try and

534
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: forge an identity. And it's been very up and down,

535
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: a mixed bag, to say the least. And that's my

536
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: second thing that has to click for them. They also

537
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: made probably a far less noteworthy higher in terms of

538
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: national headlines, but a higher that I thought was pivotal

539
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: for them. They went into Oxford, they went over to

540
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 2: Ole miss and they got Paul Jackson as their new

541
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: strength and the conditioning guy. He had been in Oxford

542
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: for quite a while, if I remember correctly, and so listen,

543
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 2: I would be lying to you if I said I

544
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: knew definitively this.

545
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: Guy was the right man for the job. He better

546
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: be the right man for the job.

547
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: South Carolina's biggest problem hasn't been play calling. It hasn't

548
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: been designed, it hasn't been anything like that they haven't

549
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: had players on the field. They haven't had enough players

550
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: on the field. And it's not because they haven't recruited them.

551
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: They've recruited well enough. They can't keep guys healthy, so

552
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: they got to have guys healthy. Those are the two

553
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: things that have to click for him to have a

554
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: shot this year. Now, having said all this about every

555
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 2: one of these guys and Will must Champs no different,

556
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: you got to take into context football revenues are going

557
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: to be significantly down this year. If we have a season,

558
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: it'll look way different. So football revenue are going to

559
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: be down. So any name, including Will must Champ that

560
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: I reference here, you got to take that into context.

561
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: It could very well be that making a move on

562
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 2: these guys is off limits. Internally, Athletic directors just decide

563
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to.

564
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: Hold our nose no matter what happens this year.

565
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: We are not making a move that would be a

566
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: disaster in pr and perception, and financially we can't afford

567
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: it anyway.

568
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: So that could be the case.

569
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: Having said that, right now, I've put must Champ at

570
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: about an eight and a half because if this was

571
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: a normal season, it was a general consensus from people

572
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: around that program. You had your make or break year

573
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: last year they thought it was, and I never thought

574
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: it was. This year would be that under normal circumstances.

575
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: Here's the weird one. The weird one. Let's go out

576
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: to UCLA. Chip Kelly is at UCLA. He is three

577
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: years in a.

578
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: Five year deal. I want to say he's got like

579
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: a nine million dollar buyout. It just is.

580
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: It's frozen. It doesn't really de escalate as the years

581
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: go on. I don't think if I remember his contract correctly.

582
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: He is seven and seventeen right now. It is a

583
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: lifeless program. It is such a weird field. The reason

584
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: I say it's a weird feel is because if this

585
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 2: were at Tennessee, for example, I would know. If this

586
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: were at Florida, I would know, If this were at

587
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: Michigan or Ohio State, I would know definitively this guy's

588
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: out of here.

589
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: He probably already would be gone. But he's not. Is

590
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: at UCLA.

591
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: And the reason it's weird is because I don't know

592
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: how angry people are there. I don't know how collective

593
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: the angst is there. I don't know how much people

594
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: care about it. I really don't it's no knock on Yeah,

595
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: it is a knock on UCLA. To be honest with you,

596
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how much people care about it. I

597
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: know how much people care at Southern cal I don't

598
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: know how much people care about Chip Kelly and what

599
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: he has or hasn't done at UCLA right now. And

600
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: the other thing is I wonder if too much apathy

601
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: has snuck in to where you know people, Hey, all

602
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: things considered, I'd love UCLA to be winning, but right

603
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: now we're not. So just call me when we're winning again. Well,

604
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: that's not how you apply enough pressure to make a move.

605
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: And so I put it a seven on a one

606
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: to ten scale right now of a hot seat, job security, whatever.

607
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: But it's so antithetical, and you know how very rarely

608
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: I use that word. It's so antithetical to what he

609
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: had at Oregon. At Oregon, every game was a sellout.

610
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: They had an environment to sell, they had a unique

611
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: brand to sell, they had talent, and that UCLA he

612
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: has got.

613
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: A shell of the roster he had at Oregon.

614
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: The atmosphere not even comparable, the brand not even comparable.

615
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: It just feels so dead in the water.

616
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: It's like if you took a sailboat and you put

617
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 2: it out in the middle of the ocean, but then

618
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: you took the sail away. What's a sailboat without a

619
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: sail It's useless. It's just kind of at the of

620
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: the waves. And kind of same way I feel about

621
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: UCLA right now. And also, when chip Kelly came to Oregon,

622
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: what he was doing was new. What he was doing,

623
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean, to that moment, no one had really seen

624
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: that version of offense. He brought a new style of offense.

625
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: Nothing he's doing is new. Even if you had the

626
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: talent right now, to be honest with you, I question

627
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: what the effectiveness would be. And that's what a lot

628
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: of football people were saying when UCLA made this move,

629
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: Like what other tricks does Chip Kelly have in the back?

630
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: Everyone respects his acumen, everyone respects his play calling and

631
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: play designing ability, and.

632
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: Everyone respects that.

633
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: It's just that they felt like, whereas a decade ago,

634
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he completely dive bombed the entire sport, they

635
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: didn't feel like that was going to be the case

636
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: this time around. So add that to the fact that

637
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: his roster is inferior to what he had at Oregon,

638
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: in a situation right now is inferior to what he

639
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: had at Oregon. I don't know how hot his seat is.

640
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: Two more years on the deal. We'll see now. Jim Harbaugh,

641
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: I laugh at this. I know it gets you clicks,

642
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: and I know it gets you magazine purchases. Jim Harball's

643
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: not on a hot seat. Whoever tells you that's lying.

644
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: Jim Harball's not on a hot seat. I laugh at

645
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: the notion. Changes have to be given time to take root.

646
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about them hiring him. I'm talking about him,

647
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Jim Harball hiring Josh Gaddis. We spoke about this at

648
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: length last show. If you want to go listen to that,

649
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: look it up. You can watch the whole show, or

650
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: you can watch just the Josh Gaddis feature. You got

651
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: to give it a little bit of time to take root.

652
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: This dude's done fine there. They've been a good program.

653
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: They have not been a great program. You don't fire

654
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: coaches for being good.

655
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: You just don't. I know, in fantasy world, an Xbox world,

656
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: you do.

657
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: This is the real world, and also this is Michigan,

658
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: where they, for better or for worse, expect a certain

659
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: amount of decorum, shall I say, in the way they

660
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: handle these matters, They're not firing him if he continues

661
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: to turn in the results, and he's turning in right now,

662
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: They're not firing him. You are holding him to an

663
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: insanely high standard. And as I've told you.

664
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't mind that.

665
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: I don't mind it at all, because there's maximum fan

666
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: investment from an emotional standpoint, there's maximum financial investment into

667
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: him from a contractual standpoint. None of that bothers me.

668
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: I understand all that, but none of it changes reality.

669
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: Reality is Colin's showing you footage from a press conference

670
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: right now. I was in that room when that happened,

671
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: although I didn't shoot this footage. That was at the Verbo.

672
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: That's the day I learned what Verbo was, Citrus Bold

673
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: against Alabama. They just wrapped up a season where they

674
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: played a New Year's Day game against Alabama. You really

675
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 2: think those results, if he continues just on that trajectory,

676
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: are going to get him fired.

677
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't.

678
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: I know what the lead caption here is their offer

679
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: against Ohio State, their offer as Big Ten champions in

680
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: his tenure there.

681
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: I know what that is.

682
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: I get that headline, but bottom line is you got

683
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: a historically great program that happens to be your arch

684
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: rival there.

685
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: If you fire Harbaugh.

686
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: You gotta have someone better already in your back pocket.

687
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: If you have that, be my guest, I would put

688
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: his hot seat at like a four right now. I

689
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: don't think that there's any kind of danger for him

690
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: unless there's some kind of scandal that extends well beyond

691
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: football or and this is not out of the realm

692
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: of possibility, but this is different if there is a

693
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: mutual decision to part ways, if he wants to go

694
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: to the NFL, or do something else that doesn't belong

695
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: on this list. Some other names I had in the

696
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: email inbox that I didn't even give mention to Gus

697
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: mauson no hot seat, Frost at Nebraska, Nope, I don't

698
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: think there's a hot seat there either. Manny Diaz at Miami.

699
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: I don't even think he's unpacked his bag jet. So no,

700
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't think he's on a hot seat either. Now

701
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to pick this book up and we're going

702
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: to transition. I tweeted out earlier today that on the

703
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: show tonight we were going to span one hundred and

704
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: twenty two years.

705
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: I think I may have even shortchanged you a little bit.

706
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 2: I mean, we've been talking about a lot of twenty twenty,

707
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: and I don't think I've ever done anything quite like

708
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm about to do, mainly because.

709
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: Reading you excerpts from a book is boring.

710
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: However, when I walked in the office the other day

711
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: for seven right now, I'm allowed in this building. Colin's

712
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: allowed in this building. That's about it. No one else

713
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: comes in the building. There would normally be like thousands

714
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: of people in this entire complex right now, but we're

715
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: the only two allowed here. So the mail piles up,

716
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: and you know, we got to change the tablets and

717
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: the coffee machine to keep it fresh and sanitized and stuff.

718
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: So one of the perks is we get sent a

719
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: lot of free stuff. Like you can talk about the

720
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: health benefits of working here all you want to. The

721
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: best perk of working at twenty four to seven is

722
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: we get all the preview magazines for free, and we

723
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: get all these books sent to us by the authors

724
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: for free. And that's great because I'm a guy who

725
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: loves free stuff. I've been known to this is a

726
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: true story, when I was at the Sugar Bowl two

727
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: years ago, I walked out of the super Dome with

728
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: an entire case of water under my arm, shamelessly. I

729
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: didn't even apologize for it. I didn't feel bad for it.

730
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: It was just I knew they were going to throw

731
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: it away, and it was free stuff they give to

732
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: the media, and it's sitting there, and I can't stand

733
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: to see free food or drink goat to waste.

734
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: Can't stand.

735
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: So having said that, you understand my excitement when I

736
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: see these free magazines and these free books. So this

737
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: is a book by Chris Warner. He sent it to

738
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: us along with a nice letter. It is the Tailgat's

739
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: Guide to SEC Football. This is volume five.

740
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Now.

741
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: Of course, as you would expect, there's a litany of

742
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: information about every SEC program in here, but I haven't

743
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: even gotten to that. I open it up and he's

744
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: got a story to open this year's edition about the

745
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: history of college football. This blew my mind, Absolutely blew

746
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: my mind. The extent of my research about college football

747
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: probably only goes back to about World War Two. I

748
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: don't think I've done a whole lot of reading about

749
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: college football before World War Two. Really, I haven't done

750
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 2: a ton of reading about the sport presegregation, just because

751
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: the sport changed entirely.

752
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about baseball. Sports just changed entirely.

753
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: When you integrate him to the point where it's nice

754
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: to know the history, but you're not even reading about

755
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: the same game. So I haven't done a whole lot

756
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: of reading, to be honest with you, about the game

757
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 2: before they wore helmets. But it is fascinating, But boy,

758
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know how fascinating it was gonna be now

759
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: modern day players, if you're in high school right now,

760
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: if you're a college football player right now, we got

761
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: a number of you who watch the show. If you

762
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 2: talk to old timers, if you talk to guys who

763
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: played in the seventies, they are gonna call you soft.

764
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: You talk to guys who went through two a days

765
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: and three days and in some cases four days, you

766
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: got a whisper about those no one was supposed to know.

767
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: They're gonna call you soft. And really, what that is

768
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: is that's a badge of honor because they went through

769
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: stuff that you, because legislators have stepped in, don't have

770
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: to go through. And that's all well and good, and

771
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: maybe relative to the prior generation or two, maybe it

772
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: is a more sanitized game now for the better for

773
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: the most part. But what if I told you that

774
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: guys who played in the seventies played a soft brand

775
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: of football too. Aha uha, coming to America reference, that's true.

776
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: It's all relative. It's all relative to what era you're

777
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: in versus what era we're talking about. That is bygone

778
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: in nature. So I open this book up. I'm just

779
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: going to read it to you, because again, this is

780
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: a professional author, so he does a better job than I.

781
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: We're talking about post Civil War football here, and we're

782
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: talking about turn of the century going into the nineteen hundreds.

783
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 2: Listen to this Football's brush with death. By the turn

784
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: of the century, in spite of the game's enormous popularity,

785
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: concerns nevertheless had materialized over the future of football in America.

786
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: Brutality and foul play had so tainted the sport that

787
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: President Theodore Roosevelt felt it necessary to prompt a serious

788
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: national discussion about the nature of the game. Roosevelt's remarks

789
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: were justified. Now I'm going to throw some stats at you.

790
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: These are true, These are real stats. During the nineteen

791
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: oh five football season, the game's brutal nature typified by

792
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: mass fours such as the flying wedge and gang tackling,

793
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: resulted in eighteen fatalities and one hundred and fifty nine

794
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: serious injuries on college football playing fields. Guys, there weren't

795
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: that many teams playing. You look all over the place.

796
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: We've got one hundred and thirty FBS teams these days.

797
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: They had a fraction of that.

798
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: Back then they had eighteen people killed in a season.

799
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: So what happens there, Well, what happened there? Let me

800
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: put my napkin bookmark in the book. This has got

801
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: to be fascinating theater of the imagination. If you're listening

802
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: on the podcast, you ask yourself, how had something not

803
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: been done before that? We got people dying in mass

804
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: on the football field. Well, that's a good question. Why

805
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: hadn't anyone done anything? Someone tried to do something, Someone

806
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: tried to do something. Indeed, in fact, there was a

807
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: player forget the guy's name, there was a player in

808
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety seven for Georgia. This will blow your mind

809
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: even further. There's a player George's playing Virginia in Athens

810
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety seven. It's October thirtieth, and this dude

811
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: gets knocked out, probably either head trauma or a serious concussion. Nevertheless,

812
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: they take him over to the sideline.

813
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: But this was a huge game. I think Georgia plays

814
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: Virginia this year. Well, this was a huge game.

815
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: They put the dude on the sideline and forget about him.

816
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: They go back to playing the game, and they eventually

817
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: have to take him by horse and buggy to Atlanta

818
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: to the hospital, where he dies the next day. So

819
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: here's another fatality. This one's in eighteen ninety seven. I mean,

820
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: this is eight years before they had the eighteen fatalities

821
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: in one year. And so the governor of Georgia was

822
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: ready to put forth a bill to ban football, to

823
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: just do away with it altogether, until someone petitions the

824
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: State Assembly in Georgia. I have to continue to read here.

825
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you who this was. After I

826
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: read the exerpt grant me the right to request that

827
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: this boy's death should not be used to defeat the

828
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: most cherished object in his life. The Governor of Georgia

829
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: consequently did not sign the bill into law. That was

830
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: the kid's mother who went and petitioned the state to

831
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: not ban the game that had killed her son. So

832
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: someone tried to do something about it. Nevertheless, we move on.

833
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: Rule changes come in nineteen oh five. How does this sound?

834
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: One of the rule changes that comes in nineteen oh five.

835
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: I'm reading all this for the first time the other night.

836
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Mind is blown. I tweeted about it. Mind is blown.

837
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 2: One of the rule changes. Keep in mind, no one's

838
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: wearing a helmet right now or shoulder pads. One of

839
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: the rule changes banned the practice of punching ball carriers

840
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: in the face, which was, according to the author, a

841
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: common practice, total brutality. You're thinking about football as just

842
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 2: kind of the still pictures that Colin's showing you right now.

843
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: This was as close to gladiator hand to hand combat

844
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: as existed in the modern day United States. What they

845
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: were doing was, I guess, loosely fashioned after what you

846
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: see these days. This was gladiator combat, dying left and right.

847
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: So you invent the forward pass and legalize it after

848
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: the nineteen oh five season. The ten yard first down

849
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: comes about after the nineteen oh five season, they establish

850
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: what is now known as the modern day line of scrimmage,

851
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: and those rule changes go into effect for nineteen oh six. Yeah,

852
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: we fast forward two years to nineteen oh eight thirty

853
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: three fatalities in the same year, which leads to governing bodies,

854
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: which leads to sanctions and modern rules, which leads to conferences.

855
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: It basically a lot of the model of the sport today,

856
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: which view as outdated. It was necessitated over a century

857
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: ago because of this stuff.

858
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: But think about that.

859
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: What we had a few years ago, and I don't

860
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: want to make light of this at all, we had

861
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: a young man lose his life as part of a

862
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: workout at Maryland.

863
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember the impact that had on the sport.

864
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: Think about the impact it had on the program, and

865
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: then how it reverberated throughout the entire sport. And then

866
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: think a century plus earlier, it was common. I assume

867
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: you weren't playing eighteen games a season or thirty three

868
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: games a season. You had an average of like two

869
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: players per week dying per week dying on top of that,

870
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: And again, this book is The Tailgaters Guide to SEC Football.

871
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: It's by Chris Warner.

872
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: Some of the other stories that he tells here before

873
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: he even gets into his Tailgating Guide talking about tramp players.

874
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: Call him yourself. We're not talking about recruiting or anything

875
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: like that. Tramp players.

876
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: I mean back then, you're not exactly getting DNA tested

877
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: before you arrive on campus. You just had ringers who

878
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: traveled campus to campus, and they were four higher. They

879
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: were pro athletes. Some guys stayed on campus eight years

880
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: because there was really no way to know. You grow

881
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: your facial hair out, you know, you change a little

882
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: about your appearance here or there. You had guys that

883
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: would play on three or four teams per season. Basically

884
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: it's like men's league softball, only it was college football.

885
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: It was wild.

886
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: It was the wild, wild South, I guess, and this persisted,

887
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: of course everywhere. It wasn't just the South. But this

888
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: is a fascinating book. I would encourage you to.

889
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: Buy this book.

890
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: I think it's the first book we've ever recommended. The

891
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: Tailgaters Gude to SEC Football by Chris Warner. If for

892
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: nothing else then to just read these stories. Those stories

893
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: are there are more than just that, but those were

894
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: the ones that stoock out to me. So let's move

895
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: it on here. We had a couple of questions that

896
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to get to. One is about recruiting. You know,

897
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: we've talked a great deal about the mass exodus of

898
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: talent from South Florida, and it's a problem if you're

899
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: a Miami fan, Florida State fan, if you're a Florida

900
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: Gator fan, it's a problem.

901
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of talent, as there is.

902
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: Every year, our Bud Elliott puts out the Sunshine State Scorecard,

903
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: and that is the percentage of blue chip athletes, four

904
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: and five star athletes that stay in state versus go

905
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: out of state. And that thing's been trending the wrong

906
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: way pretty precipitously for several years now. It looks like

907
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: it's about to continue. July first, actually on CBSHQ, if

908
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: you guys remember or are interested, Dallas Turner has scheduled

909
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: his commitment. This is a six four to two hundred

910
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: and thirty five pound defensive end. He's out of Fort Lauderdale.

911
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: That's right where our CBSHQ studio is, so it's very convenient.

912
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: He's a high four star guy.

913
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: There are rumblings, you know, within our office here he's

914
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: got future five star potential. He's got an entire senior

915
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: season left to play. So his announcement is set for

916
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: July first. The finalists are Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Michigan. It

917
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: really looks like it's Obama Georgia battle right now. We

918
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: do the Wiltfong Recruiting Whip around once a week. We

919
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: either release it on Tuesday or Wednesday, and that's where

920
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: I am joined by Steve Wiltfong. And it's really good.

921
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: It's granular, it's in detail, it's very very raw. There's

922
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: not a lot of pop and frills about it, but

923
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: it is the information you need to know. And Wilffong

924
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: goes through a litany of names and the latest intel

925
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: he's hearing it's free, you don't even have to pay

926
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: for it. And Dallas Turner's a name that we've talked

927
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: about a couple of times on that Wilfong special, and

928
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: it sounded for a while like this kid was Georgia.

929
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: And then a couple of weeks ago things started to shift.

930
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: And whether you're logging onto Bama Online dot com and

931
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: you're looking at Tim wattson Hank South Update, or you're

932
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: over on Dogs twenty four to seven dot com and

933
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: you're looking at Rusty and Jake and Kip with all

934
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: the latest, those crystal balls started to shift from Georgia

935
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: to Alabama. That's where things stand. I would heavily lean

936
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: towards Alabama if you tried to nail me down for

937
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: a guess here. Luckily I don't have to turn in

938
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: crystal ball projections. But these are my favorite kind of

939
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: recruiting battles. If an Alabama recruit is down to Alabama

940
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: or Georgia, you got a home state factor there. If

941
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: a kid from Atlanta is down to Georgia or Alabama,

942
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: you got a home state factor there. But these are

943
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: two powerhouse programs dooging it out for an out of

944
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: state kid, so it's a true out of state battle.

945
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: These are because this is really how you gauge recruiting staffs.

946
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: There's no factor, there's nothing to really overcome. To my knowledge,

947
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: there's no relationship or a relative status that's in play.

948
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: I never know for sure, but these are my favorite

949
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: to watch. And as I mentioned with that Sunshine State scorecard,

950
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: unless something radical changes and it is recruiting, it doesn't

951
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: even look like one of the Florida schools are going

952
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: to be in the final three here, which I remain

953
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: in the opinion of being inexplicable. But hats off to

954
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: Alabama and Georgia for getting it done here. If those

955
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: are indeed the two finalists. Remember when we interviewed Nick Saban,

956
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: I talked to him about a month and a half

957
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: ago at length, and I wanted him to go into

958
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: great detail about their current recruiting approach. Now, a month

959
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: and a half ago, where were we, Well, we were

960
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: sitting with Alabama in the forties in the team rankings.

961
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: They hadn't taken anyone, They had hardly taken any verbal commitments.

962
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: And that was the same time you had Ohio State

963
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: just knocking it out of the park, and you had

964
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: Tennessee making a strong push and still are Neither of

965
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: those programs have necessarily fallen off. But when I asked

966
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: Nick Saban, it was almost like he kind of leaned

967
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 2: back and crossed his arms, and it was like, we're

968
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: doing what we want to do, and he didn't seem phased.

969
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 2: It looked like a lot of programs were taking radically

970
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: different COVID nineteen approaches, so to speak.

971
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: They changed it to.

972
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: Where obviously you didn't get to get out on the

973
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: road for the spring evaluation period.

974
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: They hadn't had the camps that they wanted to.

975
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: Have, and that's normally when you get to the highest

976
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: levels of the sport, these programs are very picky and

977
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: they want to see you with their own eyes in

978
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: camp before they extend a committable offer to a lot

979
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: of kids.

980
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: Well, hey, you didn't get that.

981
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: You didn't get that benefit this year, but no one

982
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: did so Nick Saban said, we're taking it on a

983
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: case by case, but.

984
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: We're doing what we want to do right now. We

985
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: are doing our due diligence.

986
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: And subsequently, you listen to people close to the Alabama

987
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: program and they were adamant. I've seen Tim Watts over

988
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: at Bama Online talking about this for a month and

989
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: a half, just adamant that they are in selection mode

990
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: and they have got a lot of guys that they

991
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: could snap their fingers on and have tomorrow if they

992
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: wanted to.

993
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: They are going to make their move. And this is

994
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: me talking now.

995
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: I believe they are going to finish easily top five

996
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 2: in recruiting, if not higher. We're probably being conservative there

997
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: if they land Dallas Turner, if they don't, but if

998
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: they do land Dallas Turner, that's just another step that

999
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: makes me think back to that interview that we had

1000
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: with him and all the while everyone was nervous. I

1001
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: remember a lot of Bama fans being nervous and antsy

1002
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: and uneasy that all these programs are racking up these

1003
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: commitments and might we have started a little bit too

1004
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: late here?

1005
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: Might we have let them get too big of a lead? Nope? Nope.

1006
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: And even after this one, whether it goes their way

1007
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: or not, there are several other big names that they

1008
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: are heavily involved with. And it looks as we go

1009
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: further and further into this cycle, looks more and more

1010
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: like the top of the heap probably won't look all

1011
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: that much different than what it normally looks like.

1012
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: Shocking. I know.

1013
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: It up with a question that we had in the inbox.

1014
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: Now this actually wasn't in the inbox. This was in

1015
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: the podcast review. A reminder, there is a podcast version

1016
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: of this show and every show we do this is

1017
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: Latekick Live. That's the name of the show we're doing

1018
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: right now. Every one of these shows is available in

1019
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: podcast form, The Late Kick with Josh Paate. You can

1020
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: find it anywhere you listen to podcasts. But as a

1021
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: bonus for subscribing to the podcast, we do one show

1022
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: per week that's podcast only it's called Late Kick Extra.

1023
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: We release it every Wednesday morning Wednesday midday.

1024
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: Tany does a great job with that, and so we

1025
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: love the five star reviews that you give us on

1026
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: the podcast. And I encourage you if you want to

1027
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: make sure you get your question noticed, because that's all

1028
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: it is. It's a mail bag, it's Q and A.

1029
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent. You write the show and I

1030
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 2: just go along with you. If you want to get

1031
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: your question noticed, submit the question in the form of

1032
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: a written review. This is mainly on Apple Review and

1033
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: Apple podcasts. And I understand that a lot of you

1034
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: have emailed me saying I don't have Apple, so I

1035
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: can't do that.

1036
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: Here's my question.

1037
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: That's fine, but I did get and I didn't want

1038
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: to wait Untildnesday.

1039
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: This was good, so I wanted to get to it tonight.

1040
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: This is from Epic eight four to seven, and he said,

1041
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: where would you rank Jimbo Fisher against other coaches in

1042
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: the SEC? I feel like when he first came in

1043
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: he was considered the best behind Saban and Smart, but

1044
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: now I feel he's passed or been passed by Mullen

1045
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: and Orjeron. How does he get back to that top level. Well,

1046
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm really high still on Jimbo Fisher. I've taken some

1047
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: flak for this over the past few weeks talking to

1048
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: some of my buddies in group text. But it's about

1049
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: trying to see around the corner. Anyone can see right

1050
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: now what the relative struggles of Texas A and M's

1051
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: program have been first two years under Jimbo Fisher. But

1052
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see around a corner because one of

1053
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: the hallmarks of successful wise people who have done something

1054
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: for a long time, they don't just keep sticking with

1055
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: things that don't work. So if you're seeing something that

1056
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: doesn't work and you're right about it, Jimbo Fisher has

1057
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: long since seen the same thing, and I don't think

1058
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: he's sticking with stuff that doesn't work.

1059
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: It's not above this guy.

1060
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to tell you, it's not above this

1061
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: guy to tweak something about his program or to change

1062
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: something about the way they go about doing things. In fact,

1063
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 2: I have a reason to believe that that is happening

1064
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: and will happen. How much is needed is the question.

1065
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: The offense has to significantly improve. Everyone can see those

1066
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: results and what you're not getting in those results.

1067
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: I mentioned Bud earlier. Bud again did another feature. I

1068
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: think it was a few weeks ago.

1069
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: We read it on the show, and it was about

1070
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: a pretty alarming stat trend with A and M as

1071
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: meager as their offensive output was last year when you

1072
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: looked at winning time versus desperation time, in other words,

1073
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 2: snaps where the game was truly in the balance versus

1074
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: snaps towards the end where team had a two possession

1075
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: plus lead on you and they're playing some form of

1076
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: preventative defense, not necessarily full blown prevent That's when A

1077
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: and M racked up a.

1078
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Majority of their offensive output. So I mean that's doubly troubling.

1079
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: However, now we look at the cry against Fisher, and

1080
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: the cry always starts with this, our play calling has

1081
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: got to get better.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's not a good play caller, are you? Yes

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Speaker 1: he is.

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Speaker 2: Jimbo Fisher's a great play caller. Jimbo Fisher knows exactly

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Speaker 2: what he's doing. What you need to question is have

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00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: they developed well enough player development of play calling two

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00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 2: totally different things. Have they developed well enough? I've never

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00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: thought that highly of Kellen Mont. I think he's a

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00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: good athlete as a quarterback, and I'm talking about a

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00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: quarterback that you're trying to saddle and ride to an

1091
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: SEC Western Division championship. I've never thought he has that ceiling.

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00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good player. Now, if I

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00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: were Kellen Mond and I were sitting right here, I

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00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be sitting here wasting my time. But if

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00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: I were here and Kellen Mom was right behind this camera,

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00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: the first thing he would say to me, if he

1097
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: were being honest, was did you see the offensive line

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00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: I was having to play behind last year? And that's

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00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: part two. When we're looking at Jimbo Fisher. We got

1100
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: to take everything into consideration. Hey, maybe there's no problem

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00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: with him calling plays. Maybe he's got a quarterback that's

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00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: adequate enough. They haven't had the person on the offensive line,

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00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: maybe they've had inconsistency at receiver.

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Speaker 1: All this ultimately falls on the head coach. I get that.

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00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I think it's safe to say.

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00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: He's got the best roster he's had this year so

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00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: far and so year three.

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00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know that there's.

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Speaker 2: Nearly as much that has to change about him as

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00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 2: a lot of other people. But having said that, now,

1111
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: there could be a million reasons. You may call him excuses.

1112
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: I may call them reasons for their results. You don't

1113
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: have to be a rocket scientist. You don't have to

1114
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: have coached the game for forty years. You don't have

1115
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: to understand the intricacies to understand whether the results are

1116
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: good enough or not. Like I've never given birth, for example,

1117
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: I've never I've never delivered a child before. I've never

1118
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: been a doctor. But I know an ugly baby if

1119
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: I see it, and you know an ugly baby if

1120
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: you see it. You don't have to understand everything about

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00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: it to know, And you don't have to understand everything

1122
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: about offense football to know. Texas A and M competes

1123
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: against this team and this team and this team, and

1124
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: they're doing this, and A and M's doing that, and

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00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: that is not good enough to overtake this. That's where

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00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: we are right now. But you asked, where does Jimbo

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00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: Fisher stack up? If I believed that he was a

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Speaker 2: better head coach than Edwar's Ron two years ago, Nothing

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00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: in my mind has changed if I believed that two

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00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: years ago. And the reason that I think that way

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00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 2: is because my opinion on coaches the acumen, the caliber

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00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: of a coach. I always since I had this book

1133
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: in front of me. If you're listening on the podcast,

1134
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: I'm holding something flat in my hand. If you were

1135
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: to take a drop of water and put it on

1136
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 2: this book right now, and I turn this book sideways,

1137
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: where would the water go. The water droplet would fall

1138
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 2: off very quickly. This is like Ian Malcolm and Jurassic

1139
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: Park in that back seat. But if I were to

1140
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: take a drop of honey and I put it in

1141
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: that same spot and I turned the book sideways, the

1142
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: honey would start to move south, but it would move

1143
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: a lot slower. That's how I formulate my opinion on coaches.

1144
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: I have an opinion that moves with the speed of

1145
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: honey instead of the speed of water. On coaches, it

1146
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 2: just leads to such nonsensical, knee jerk type reactions sometimes.

1147
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: So with Jimbo Fisher, I still think he's in the

1148
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: top tier of head coaches in the SEC.

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00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: And part of that.

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00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: This is a hunch that I have, is because I

1151
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: think that he is willing and planning on adapting what

1152
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: hasn't worked for him so far to what he is

1153
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: capable of doing with the athletes. He has and his

1154
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 2: acumen to what will work moving forward. That's our show

1155
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: for tonight. I feel like we just went two hours.

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00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: How long did we go?

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Speaker 1: Fifty five minutes? My goodness. Colin's got to get home,

1158
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: he's got to eat supper. All right.

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00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: We thank you for watching. We will be back here

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00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: same time Thursday night. Remember submit your questions for the

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00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: Late Kick Extra podcast. You know how to do that

1162
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 2: by now. If you don't already, look at the comment

1163
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: right below this video and you can reply to it.

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00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: We will be back here Thursday night for director Colin,

1165
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: for Aaron, for Tany.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Baate.

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Speaker 2: Have a great week, Stay safe and God bless