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Speaker 1: A meek, mild mannered eye. Doctor Anthony Prate of Schaumburg, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: Years ago, his wife, Bridget, who looks amazingly like Margaret,

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Speaker 1: she was dead before the crash ever occurred. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is crime stories. I want justice. Crime stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Tell me exactly what happened. My girlfriend and

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Speaker 1: I had a fight. She stabbed me with a knife

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Speaker 1: our police and paramedics on the way. Is she's still

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Speaker 1: just a second place, Do you still have a knife

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Speaker 1: I'm letting my officers know where is the knife that

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Speaker 1: fight with one knife. I might add imancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Now

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Speaker 1: listen to this. This renowned eye doctor and I watched

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Speaker 1: his commercial all night long, trying to reconcile how one meek,

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Speaker 1: two dead lovers in his wake. Yes, not just the girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: Margaret Daniel. But with me today now I'm private investigator.

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Speaker 1: Then twenty five years with the Illinois State Police, Bruce

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Speaker 1: Johnson sounded the alarm that something was very wrong with

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Speaker 1: Bridget Prate. His wife's car crash she died in a

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Speaker 1: car crash. Wow, none of this is adding up from

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Speaker 1: me again, I Nancy Grace, this describe stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. I just want you to hear

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Speaker 1: this guy speaking. Listen to doctor Anthony Prate with the

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Speaker 1: Eyeworld commercial. He just sounds like he's reading straight out

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Speaker 1: over sweater with a bow tie by the fireplace. He's

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Speaker 1: got two dead women on his hands. Listen. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think what makes us unique at the Eyeworks is

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Speaker 1: that we don't over schedule patients as many many healthcare

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Speaker 1: practitioners do. Quality eyecare requires the time to provide it

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Speaker 1: schedules and we honor their appointment. We have wide variety

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Speaker 1: of vision testing apparatus, including auto refraction, which gives us.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing doctor pratte go on and on and on.

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Speaker 1: He slings out a lot of medical terms about eye care.

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Speaker 1: You know what, That's all fine and good, but what

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Speaker 1: about the two dead bodies? With me an all star panel,

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Speaker 1: private investigator, former Illinois state police officer who investigated the

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Speaker 1: death of his wife Bridget for her family many years ago.

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, renowned defense attorney, former prosecutor Inner City, Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffee Ellis psychologist, adjunct professor, Columbia University. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's Deputy medical Examiner, Travis County, Austin. But straight

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Speaker 1: out to crime online dot Com investigative reporter, leave I Page.

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Speaker 1: You know, under the law, more than one body is

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Speaker 1: mass murder. I don't care how many years are between them.

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Speaker 1: day vernacular if in fact he is guilty. But Levi,

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Speaker 1: let's just start with the most recent death. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Malchers Margaret Daniel, just forty eight years old, super cute.

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Speaker 1: So it's one thirty am in Doctor Anthony Preke calls

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Speaker 1: use now, Levi Page, I don't believe you've got an

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Speaker 1: I got a problem with his affact. He sounds like

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Speaker 1: a moment here. We're going to start CPR, but I'm

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Speaker 1: He is owner of IESP Investigations. He's twenty five years

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Speaker 1: up with completely different opinions. That actually happens a lot

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Speaker 1: in my profession. Another problem we have is sometimes people

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Speaker 1: are paid quite well to have an opinions, so you

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Speaker 1: also have to look at that as well. Yeah, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: jump in. Because the first pathologist says, because he could

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Speaker 1: not find hemorrhaging near the vertebrae fracture, he suspected that

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Speaker 1: the wound occurred post mortem. So that's the fact of

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Speaker 1: itself right there that the other one cannot just do.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is it says a fracture, It doesn't

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Speaker 1: say that it was the neck vertebrae was snapped in half,

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Speaker 1: or that there was an underlying injury that could have

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Speaker 1: caused death. So that's giving you very good quote of

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Speaker 1: it being post mortem because they have scientific proof that

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Speaker 1: there's no hemorrhaging near the vertebrate. Okay, doctor Kendall Crowns,

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Speaker 1: I believe you've been called on the carpet by a civilian.

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Speaker 1: By a civilian, he didn't even auto medical school. Aren't

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Speaker 1: you embarrassed? I'm embarrassed for you, Kendall. Oh no, not actually,

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Speaker 1: because your question was how can two people have varying opinions,

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Speaker 1: which is what I answered. But yes, you did, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you did. Yes, if we're going to go to the

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Speaker 1: court transcripts. You got me on the technicality. But what

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Speaker 1: about what Bruce did say regarding no hemorrhaging around that fracture?

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Speaker 1: So I would agree with Bruce completely. No hemorrhaging around

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Speaker 1: a fracture to me, means that individual was dead before

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Speaker 1: the accident occurred, because if your heart's no longer pumping,

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Speaker 1: you don't get hemorrhage when you get a fracture. So

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Speaker 1: to me, that individual was dead for that accident happened. Also,

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Speaker 1: the discussion about how her body was positioned in this

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Speaker 1: low speed semi head on collision. She shouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: underneath the dashboard. It's an odd position. It doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense. If anything, she should have faced planted into

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Speaker 1: the dash and then flip back into her chair, or

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Speaker 1: possibly face planted into the dash and then rolled through

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Speaker 1: the front windshield. But she submarine nancy. Yeah. One other

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Speaker 1: thing regarding that, which also helps our case for the victim.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that she was alive and she uh, she

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Speaker 1: dies of at sixty a type death right from from

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Speaker 1: being crushed. That still puts her on the floorboard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: time to die from a sixty eight type death from

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Speaker 1: a crushing uh, you know, pressure on your chest or

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Speaker 1: on your abdomen and being him and having being failure

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Speaker 1: to breathe. In those situations, usually they can't pull them

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Speaker 1: out of the car. That's where the jaws of life

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Speaker 1: come in. So also there's specific findings in a six

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Speaker 1: year old crushing desk, especially with cars, which I've seen

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Speaker 1: quite a few of. As you get massive particular hemorrhages,

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Speaker 1: which are these small pinpoint hemorrhages on the skin from

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Speaker 1: the blood actually being congested by the fact that the

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Speaker 1: chest is compressed by something or the neck is compressed

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Speaker 1: by something and it causes all the little capillaries to

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Speaker 1: burst and it forms these pinpoint hemorrhages. So there's no

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Speaker 1: description of that. So you can remove the crushing injuries.

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Speaker 1: There's no image on this line or fracture, right, and

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Speaker 1: so you can remove all of that stuff. And again

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Speaker 1: it just seems to me like she was dead beforehand.

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Speaker 1: So I don't understand how there's a varying opinion. But

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Speaker 1: like I said, you know, sometimes people are paid quite

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Speaker 1: well to have a varying opinion. Well, I got to

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Speaker 1: agree with that. Let me jump in here this. You know,

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you you're talking about something that

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Speaker 1: was basically cleared. I think that it was not cleared.

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Speaker 1: Now it was not clear. It wasn't clear, but it

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Speaker 1: wasn't probably hold on, hold on, I've got to tell

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Speaker 1: you something. Hold on. Just recently, just recently and for

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Speaker 1: your request, freedom information request was made. People wanted to

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Speaker 1: look at the records the PD. Lake in the Hills

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Speaker 1: PD refuses to give out information. They did not a

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Speaker 1: request for the records related to the crash, claiming it's

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Speaker 1: an active criminal investigation. Active investigation. My rear end nine

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Speaker 1: years have passed, Daryl. That's why I say that they

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Speaker 1: will use this, But the reality is he's going to

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Speaker 1: go down for thirty stabbings and one former girlfriend. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think you should go down for both. Crime stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy grace le Page Crime Online dot Com Investigether reporter,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what doctor Debbie says about

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Speaker 1: this Levi page. Isn't it true? Just before his wife

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Speaker 1: died in the collision, he had called police and said

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Speaker 1: she was planning to kill him because she was having

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Speaker 1: an affair. You are absolutely correct, Nancy. He claimed that

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Speaker 1: he was listening to a conversation she was having with

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Speaker 1: another man and they were planning to kill him and

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Speaker 1: take the house from him, so he called nine one one.

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Speaker 1: Police arrived at the scene and they interviewed the wife

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Speaker 1: that died and the man that she was talking to,

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Speaker 1: and he said, no, we were not plotting to kill him.

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Speaker 1: I'm studying for a real estate exam and we were

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Speaker 1: discussing procedures on what happens when a homeowner dies. So

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Speaker 1: there were no charges filed, but it shows you that

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Speaker 1: there's something wrong there in the marriage. If he's calling

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Speaker 1: nine one one about her allegedly having an affair Briece Johnson, PI,

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Speaker 1: what about it was Bridget having an affair? No, she

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Speaker 1: was not, but he was, you know, very tight with her.

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Speaker 1: He had a really tight rain on her. He was

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Speaker 1: always concerned of who she was calling. He had left

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Speaker 1: the house and then he hid in the closet so

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Speaker 1: he could hear their conversations. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait

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Speaker 1: wait wait, you know what, Daryl Cohen, I'm about to

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Speaker 1: go to our shrink, doctor Debbie. But if I had

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Speaker 1: to hide in the closet and listen to my husband

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Speaker 1: on the phone, first of all, my ears would bleed

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Speaker 1: because his conversations about business are so no offense David,

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Speaker 1: because you know I love you, so boring. But if

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Speaker 1: I had to hide in the closet to listen in

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Speaker 1: to what David was saying on the phone, that's when

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Speaker 1: you needed to force right there. Or you are a

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Speaker 1: nut hiding in the closet trying to listen in. That

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Speaker 1: tells me his frame of mind. He's a nut, Oh,

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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie wants in. Yeah. Well, it sounds that he

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Speaker 1: had an intense ney to have absolute control over relationships

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00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: and perhaps other situations in his life and when he

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Speaker 1: perceived that he didn't have full control or that something

534
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: was going to happen that was against what he thought

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Speaker 1: should be the case. Then he catapulted into rage and

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Speaker 1: that could have fueled his violent action. I know this.

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Speaker 1: The ongoing investigation in Cook County has caused this matter

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Speaker 1: to be reevaluated, and what we are learning is that

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00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: apparently the District Attorney's office is looking at the so

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Speaker 1: called crash again. But it's been nine years. Will there

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Speaker 1: be any justice for a bridget prate? And if authorities

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Speaker 1: had listened to Bruce Johnson at the time, would Margaret Daniel,

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Speaker 1: the mother of two, still be alive today instead of

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Speaker 1: being found in a pool of blood in the kitchen

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Speaker 1: floor of her apartment, dead at the hands of her

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Speaker 1: eye doctor boyfriend Anthony Prate. If you want justice, as

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Speaker 1: do I ask for answers eight four seven eight five

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Speaker 1: four five zero two zero eight four seven eight five

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Speaker 1: four fifty twenty. We wait as justice unfolds, and I

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Speaker 1: pray to God it does. Nancy Grace's crime story, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,