WEBVTT - Losing the War on COVID 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.520 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikay Up Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:19.880 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker, Folks. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.120 In my conversation today with doctor Jonathan Metzel, our regular 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:30.600 Wednesday conversation, we're going to once again be talking about 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:37.519 COVID right because while America seems to have wanted to 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:42.080 turn the page, burn the book, forget that COVID exists 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.600 and is happening. We had doctor Fauci on a couple 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.320 of weeks ago who said, you know, it's drizzling right now, 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.720 so we don't need the same type of protections that 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:57.600 we had at the height of surges, and that we 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.360 can assume some level of normal. I want to read 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:07.720 you this thread that came out from NPR Politics yesterday 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.520 that should be setting off alarm bells and I kind 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:15.160 of want to dig into. So here it is from 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.880 NPR Politics. They're thread from yesterday. The White House is 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.520 warning it will have to wind down a program that 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:28.800 pays to test, treat, and vaccinate unensured people for COVID 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.440 nineteen because the administration has run out of money for 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:37.000 the program, which Congress fail to include in funding legislation. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:44.000 Second tweet. Another immediate impact will be an end to 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:48.920 federal funding for monoclonal antibodies, a treatment that had been 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:53.080 provided free of charge, Starting next week. The White House 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.000 said it will cut allocations to states by more than 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:01.919 thirty percent to try and stretch its existing applies. Number 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:06.720 three tweet. The government cannot buy more oral anti viral 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:11.280 treatments like packs void beyond the twenty million treatments already 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:15.400 secured and needs to scale back plan purchases of preventative 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.639 treatments for immuno and compromised people. The White House said, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:26.600 excuse me, immunocompromise people. Number four. Research into next generation 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:31.760 COVID vaccines will be curbed, and some surveillance for new 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.000 variants will also be stopped, the White House said. The 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:40.160 administration said it also will need to limit its pushed 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:47.720 to help poorer countries vaccinate people. Number five. The White 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.920 House had asked for twenty two point five billion in 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.880 funding for these items and more, but was denied as 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.640 a part of a broader funding package. Democrats are expected 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.359 to proceed with the standalone OW COVID funding bill, which 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.320 is expected to pass the House but unlikely to pass 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:16.040 the Senate. Folks, what the fuck right? So I want 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.000 us to be very clear, right that the government has 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.919 more money than it actually knows what to do with, 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.200 more of our money than it knows what to do with, 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.920 so much so that it just released, oh, I don't know, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:37.120 over thirteen billion dollars to aid Ukraine to fight back 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:45.240 against the Russian insurrection, right, the Russian invasion. So we 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:51.440 have over thirteen billion dollars to be able to give 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:58.480 to the Ukraine so that they can fight against authoritarian rule, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.240 But we don't have twenty two billion dollars to be 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:09.160 able to allocate for people in this country to ensure 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.760 that the spike which we know is coming, which I 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:18.520 will talk about shortly, to ensure that both immuno and 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:23.840 compromise people people who are uninsured, that you're receiving the 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.200 care that you need, that your states are able to 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.560 provide for you the care that you need, because we 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:35.640 are in what a global fucking health pandemic. So how 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.839 is it that you can stand up at the State 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.200 of the fucking Union, spend half the time talking about 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:47.080 the Ukraine, not mention the insurrection, barely talk about fucking COVID, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:53.279 and then turn around and then say so basically, I'll 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.960 let them eat COVID, right, because we don't have the resources. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.680 It is bullshit, and it's the continual fucking lie that 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.120 I am so exhausted by when I tell you how 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.240 fucking done I am these days with this current administration, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.880 and I'll tell you why, because you see, I didn't 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:19.640 expect shit from Donald Trump, Right. I didn't expect anything 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.600 because we knew exactly where we stood with the Trump 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.120 administration as it pertained to public health, as it pertained 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.040 to public safety, so long as they are funding police 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.760 so that they can beat the shit out of regular citizens, right, Like, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.599 I had no expectations. But when you come in as 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.200 a Biden Harris administration and tell us that we need 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.680 to vote for you so that adults are back in 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.960 the room and that adults are back in charge, right, 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.440 and that we're going to have vaccines and roll them 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.159 out and we're going to take care of these issues, 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.679 and that you're telling me that how you stand next 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.080 to the other guy is a very clear distinction of 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.960 I am due for the people. And then you want 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:09.159 to turn around now after a shitty fucking vaccine rollout, Right, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.279 It had a lot of bumps folks before vaccines actually 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.600 got to where they needed to go. Right And again, 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:21.320 this administration was given a lot of room because we 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.720 knew what they were walking into. But explain to me 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:30.080 how you can dip into a pocket to provide money 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.279 for the Ukraine to defend itself, but you don't have 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:40.080 the same ability to have America defend itself from a 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.760 virus that is killed close to a million people that 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.240 now you want to tell us is all but done 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.800 so everyone can go back to work. Oh just in 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.760 time for gas to be through the fucking roof, and 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:57.520 oh just in time as cities around China are fucking 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.600 closing down again, as the Netherlands and Germany and the 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:07.640 UK all who rolled back mask mandates and indoor masking 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.960 and all social distancing and all of these things that 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.240 they have gotten rid of because you know, the world 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.040 was over. COVID are now back into a zone where 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.360 they are surging in places in China are surging above 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:27.160 twenty twenty levels. And that the new variant BA point two, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:31.400 which is the subvariant of omicron, spreads thirty percent faster 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.960 than omicron, which took over delta in a matter of 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:41.480 fucking weeks there were reports coming out right, particularly here 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:46.120 in New York, which he uses the sewage system to 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.560 be able to see or anticipate when another surge is coming. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.840 And guess what the sewage system is showing us, Oh, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.960 the numbers of people getting COVID in New York City 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:06.680 are on the rise. Again. It's as if we're standing 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:11.440 on the tracks we think that the light ahead is 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.960 the tunnel the exit on the other side, and not 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:19.320 realizing that it's an oncoming train. And I'm just wondering, 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.120 how many times do we have to walk down the 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.400 same dark tunnel for us to realize that the light 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.280 that we are seeing is not the light at the 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.880 end of the tunnel, it is the next fucking COVID search. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:41.120 So now we have a situation where those that are 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.880 uninsured are not going to be able to access treatment, 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:49.160 right because in New York City, regardless of your insurance status, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.880 you were able to get tested, you were able to 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.720 get boosted and get vaccinated in all of these things. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:09:00.840 And so what this NPR tweet thread and report is 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.080 is like, oh, well, the United States has run out 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.360 of money, We've run out of resources, so pretty much 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.880 you're on your fucking own. And if you don't have 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.680 the ability to test yourself at home, and you don't 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.040 have the ability to remote learn, and you don't have 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.280 the ability to do these things for yourself, you are 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.160 essentially going to be fucked because this administration does not 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.200 have the bandwidth, nor the resources, or the strategy to 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.120 deal with the oncoming train that we know is coming 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.720 in a few weeks. The conversation that I will have 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:38.160 with Jonathan will outline how the United States is different 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.000 than China, why China is experiencing the kind of surge 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.920 that they are, but how the countries that we are 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:50.600 actually more demographically aligned with, meaning that with the last 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:55.640 wave of omicron infected forty five percent of the US population, 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.760 damn near half those people, according to the late reports, 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:05.520 will be better set up with antibodies to help them 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:11.520 navigate a potential surge of BA point two. What has 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.559 happened in China is that because they have had a 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.199 zero COVID policy, meaning that they are quick to shut 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.800 things down, they are quick to put people back in 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.080 their homes, they are quick to go back to essential businesses. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.240 Only in operation, they don't have the same level of 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.480 quote unquote herd immunity that we have gotten in other 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.959 countries have gotten. But get this, what we are seeing 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:42.360 is that there are people who are vaccinated who are 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:47.280 still getting reinfected. And so now we're setting up a 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.640 situation where not only can folks get reinfected, because we 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.120 know that what the vaccines and the boosters do is 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.240 stop certain death and hospitalization, it does not stop the 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.920 spread of COVID. I don't know how many times that 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.680 that needs to be said, because I still receive stupid 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.120 fucking tweets from people that are like, oh, you know, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.079 Fauci was wrong and Biden is dumb and vaccines don't work. No, 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.920 you're not dead. So the fact that by virtue you're 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.559 able to tweet me back some stupid hot shit means 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.240 that the vaccine, if you in fact got it, worked 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:26.120 But this, folks, this what is being outlined here. But 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:30.320 then we want to turn around and again our tax 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.680 dollars to go to help the people of Ukraine, but 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.200 our tax dollars not being used to help people in 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.160 this country. We're first of all, we're not using our 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.679 tax dollars to secure our own fucking democracy. We're not 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:48.880 using it to create guardrails against what we know will 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:54.440 be consistent surges of COVID nineteen because unlike the fantasy 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.200 world that Republicans are living in, no, it is not 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.000 going to be endemic any fucking time soon. Because the 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.840 more virus that is in the air, the more infected 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.880 people become, the more avenues it has to continue to mutate, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.520 and the more variants that will come through. And what 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.920 the last three variants have shown us from Alpha is 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.200 that with each turn at the fucking wheel, COVID nineteen 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:22.760 becomes more and more contagious. So for those people who 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.560 are unvaccinated, unboosted, you will most likely end up in 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:33.440 the hospital and or dead. The Fiser CEO recently came 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.120 out and again this was a blip on everybody's radar 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:41.400 when he said, yeah, so your booster shots pretty much Wayne, 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:46.240 if not just drop at five months, definitely at six 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.320 and that everyone is going to need a fourth shot. Well, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.640 how is everybody going to receive a fourth shot? If 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.959 the US government, if the Biden administration is telling us 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.000 they don't got no more our money for it, So 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:07.560 then what is that going to look like? How much 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.280 is it going to cost us to be able to 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:15.319 walk into, said CBS Duane read whatever place to get 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.520 your shot, and now because the government is no longer 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.960 going to be funding that, but everyone is saying that 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.200 we need it. What is that going to look like? 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.960 And if it sounds to you like it sounds to me, 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:34.560 which is an incredible money making scheme by big pharma 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.520 that is no longer going to be supported by the 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.840 US government. And you can't force private companies, you know, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.760 to do the right thing, and we know that they 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.960 sure as fuck do not. Sounds to me like we 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:51.160 are screwed. And I'm just like, I'm at a point 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.720 with this administration and with the Democrats in general, that 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.400 it is no longer enough for you to tell me 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.840 who you are not instead of telling me who you are. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.960 It is not enough to want to finger wag and say, well, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.040 if you don't vote for me, you're going to be 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.920 stuck with DeSantis or Trump or whomever. When again, I'm 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.440 stuck with you right now, and I can't tell you 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.720 what has been passed in my favor. So the Senate 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.200 just passed what daylight savings this week so that we 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.760 don't have to continue to fall back or spring ahead. 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:31.760 Wonderful oh, you passed legislation that finally made lynching a 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:36.000 fucking hate crime after multiple decades of unarmed black people 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:41.040 being lynched, right, the most recent being Ahmad Aubrey and 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:48.040 fucking George Floyd. Folks. I'm just like, it is really 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.400 difficult to continue to tell people to have faith and 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:57.840 hope when every day I'm staring this administration in the 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.760 face and I'm like, oh, you all are not only 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.960 going to lose midterms, right, which was inevitable because of 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.160 how America votes, but you are damn sure setting up 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.320 a fucking loss in twenty twenty four. Because I just 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.200 don't know what this administration is going to point to 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:21.640 as their success because if COVID continues to rage, which 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.960 it will, because now we have lost money and the 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.160 ability to test and to treat and to vaccinate all people, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:37.120 right then what do we think is going to happen? Folks? 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:41.080 Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, our in 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:45.040 house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, to go on a deeper 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.120 dive into where China stands right now and what we 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:54.480 are hearing about outbreaks in Israel, the Netherlands and Germany, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.400 and what it is that we all need to be 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:03.520 paying attention to that is coming up next. Friends, you 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.000 know that when it is a Wednesday, I am always 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.360 so happy an honor to be joined by our in 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:14.320 house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Jonathan, it seems like it's 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:19.080 been sometime since we have done a deep dive into COVID, 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.640 and frankly, I feel like we may be the only 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.600 ones left right now in the United States that are 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:30.480 interested in doing anybody's deep dive into COVID, because there 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:35.040 has been seemingly a concerted effort by the CDC, the 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:41.200 Biden administration, Network Television to just move on and go 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.040 back to normal and pretend as if the last two 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:49.480 years have not happened. But I woke up at four 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:54.080 am because of daylight savings that has hit me later 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:59.120 and started going through articles, an array of them about China, 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.680 about the net lens, about Germany, and be a point two, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:11.560 which is the omicron subvariant. Jonathan, what's happening globally right 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:16.159 now with regard to COVID and where the rest of 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.560 the world is versus where you see us in the 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:27.080 United States right now? COVID the name sounds from sounds familiar. Yeah, Okay, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.439 it's somebody from the nineties, right from Back to the 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.200 Future or something like that. You know, it's funny because 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.400 I'm here in Tennessee, and believe it or not, people 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.719 are wearing a lot of masks here in Tennessee, At 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.760 least in my world right now, I think there's a 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.320 fair bit of nervousness in the air. I think for 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.960 the most part, people feel like, oh my gosh, we're 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.359 over it. And also the weather's getting nicer. We can 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.919 be outside all these kind of things. But there's some 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.560 pretty serious shit happening in the rest of the world 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.280 right now that I think we want to pay attention to, 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.600 and not that the United States. I mean, the good 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.080 thing about the United States, if the is an omicron subvariant, 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.720 which it is, is that we don't exactly know what's 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.000 going to happen in the United States because we rushed 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:14.960 out and embraced omicron the first time there is concerning data. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.119 Germany is in a kind of crisis situation as of 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.639 this morning. Israel, which is kind of the canary in 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.520 the coal mine for us a lot of times, is 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.080 seeing a pretty big spike also, and that's a place 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:28.960 where a lot of people are vaccinated and a lot 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.159 of people got omicron. And I also have heard, you know, 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.600 I've been reading all this stuff also that there are 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.640 studies in southern California where they're seeing in plant water 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.399 and things like that that there's rise in this subvariant also, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.720 and so there's a probably another wave that's got about 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.880 to happen in the United States, to be honest, I mean, 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.399 and the thing is, people are worried because this BA 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.720 two sounds a little bit more severe, a little bit 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.639 more harsh than the first omicron that came through, and 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.720 it's also thirty percent more infectious. And so, believe it 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.720 or not, if we just could take politics out of this, 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:13.840 which we can't, right we would say we would say, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:19.400 everybody play it safe right now, because you know that 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.200 a time when a spike is about to happen is 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:23.720 the time where, if you can help it, you don't 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.280 want to get sick because there's going to be a 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.520 lot of other people's sick at that time. So, believe 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.320 it or not, we're in a moment right now which 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.399 is kind of a calm before the storm kind of moment. 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.160 But at the same time, I can't get my relatives 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.280 to take this stuff seriously. I can't get most people. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.520 I'm playing in a faculty basketball game after we speak today, 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.440 and I'm the only dude in the game who wears 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:50.960 a mask, and so I just, you know, I think 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.520 that people feel like they're over it. But as we've seen, 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.760 the virus sets the narrative, and so a lot of 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.560 places that also also thought they were over it. The 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.239 minute people start getting sick, all of a sudden, they 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.560 change their tune. And so I just think the long 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.560 and the short of it is, don't throw away your masks, 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.880 play it safe for the next couple weeks at least 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.040 to see how this thing plays out in the United States. 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:19.680 And I don't know. I mean, it's hard. Everybody's so exhausted, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.720 and honestly, yeah, go ahead. No. I was going to say, 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.760 so a couple of things. One in New York City, 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.920 as I'm assuming in a lot of other cities and places, 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.080 the way that they have been tracking whether or not 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.560 we're headed towards another surge has been in the sewage. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:41.359 Right you mentioned the plant water in southern California. I 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:45.479 read a report about, you know, how we predict what 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.600 is happening in New York and it's based on the 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.200 sewage and the fact that what they are seeing right 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:55.600 now is that there is a spike in the BA 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.560 point to sub variant, which was first discovered in I 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:05.440 think it was November of twenty twenty one, and that 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.919 this is an early indicator of where we will be 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:16.040 right now. There are several cities within China that because 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:20.760 China has a zero COVID policy, so as soon as 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.639 things start to ramp up there in any type of way, 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.479 they shut shit down. They have gone back to remote 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.000 learning in a number of cities. They have they're only 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.040 having essential businesses open in a number of cities, which 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:39.679 is really affecting our tech creation right and product development 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.640 in this country because we use factories in China. So 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:48.840 Apple's products opened down at the beginning of this week 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.800 because of the news coming out of China, and they 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.000 are saying that they haven't seen a surge like the 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.439 one that they are currently experiencing since the beginning of 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:04.159 the pandemic of March twenty twenty. We are seeing the 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:08.720 same thing happen in Germany. The Netherlands numbers are super 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.960 high as well. What's being said, Jonathan is that forty 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:17.840 five percent of the United States population got omicron right like, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.919 And that why we are seeing this spread so fast 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:26.320 around China is because there isn't built in immunity in 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:29.080 the way that there is some built in immunity here, 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:34.480 because forty five almost half of the population got omicron 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.760 at the you know, in the winter of twenty twenty one. 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.960 Can you speak to that and what like? You talk 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.399 about Israel as the canary in the coal mine, but 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.800 in many ways, most of Europe has been the canary 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.640 in the coal mine. We have been lagging, I would 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.480 say over the past two years, roughly three weeks to 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.960 six weeks behind where things are in Europe. So can 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:00.159 you speak to the differences that you are seeing with 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:05.000 regard to China and there's zero COVID policy versus the 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.200 United States, and then again with Europe in the countries 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.360 I mentioned and with the US right now. I mean, 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.240 the main issue with China is that it's an older population. 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:18.320 Very often, who are the people who are getting getting it? 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:23.399 They've they've been so super safe that a lot of 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:27.080 people haven't had any exposure to COVID. And the other part, 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:31.959 of course is that they've got the Sputnik vaccine a 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.760 lot of people. The Russian vaccine are different, I mean 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.240 the vaccine. They're using our different technology often for a 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.040 lot of people than the technology we have here, and 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.320 those vaccines just don't work quite as well. And so 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.280 there's a couple of reasons why China is more vulnerable 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:48.760 right now. But I also think that this is kind 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:50.560 of what we do when things start to ramp up again, 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.040 is that we tell our human narrative like, oh, it 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.760 must be Italy because they only write organic pasta, and 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.040 it must be whatever, like we you know, every time 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.560 this happens, we tell some story that makes it makes sense. Oh, 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:03.960 that's why that is, and that's why they're at risk. 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.119 But we're not at risk. But the honest answer is, 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:07.879 if anybody tells you that we're not at risk, they 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:09.240 don't know what they're talking about. We don't know for 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:11.760 at risk right now. And I would say that there's 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:15.240 some there's some concerning warning signs of places that have 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.199 comparable and China is not super comparable to us. But 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:23.120 think about the irony of that, right, China, in many ways, 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:26.320 they did everything right, like a total public health state, 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.520 and it's making them more vulnerable now, whereas for us 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.800 or you know, theoretically we could be more protected because 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:35.480 of all these honkeys who went out and got it, 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:41.040 you know, and so and so and so. You know, 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.200 who knows who knows that what's going to happen. I'm 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:46.120 not advocating for. I mean, the folly of herd immunity 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:48.719 is that the virus keeps changing and people I mean 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:50.679 I know people who have gotten it like five times already, 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.720 and so and so. We don't know, But I would 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:58.440 say that China is a warning sign of a bad vaccine, 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:03.520 but also of a complete lockdown without encourage encountering any pathogens. 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.760 Now that being said, I know a lot of people 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.000 in New York. I was on the phone before this 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.600 with a friend of mine in Israel, and they're getting 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.199 it and they've been super safe all along, So there's 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.959 something going on now. The other thing in Israel is 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.600 they've had a polio outbreak, which is freaking everybody the 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:26.040 hell out because polio is unheard of. But people are 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.600 not getting vaccines, like kids aren't going to the doctor 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:32.080 and stuff like that, And so COVID is not our 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.120 only issue right now in terms of the infectious disease front. 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:38.679 It's also all these people not getting vaccines for other stuff, 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.119 and so it's a it's a moment. I mean, I 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:42.600 would say, if you're at home and you want to 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.160 know what to do just to feel safe, take drugs, 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.959 pat shut up or the words. But how but how 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:57.080 are we so if China, because of their different vaccine 0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:00.840 roll out, their different protocols, is not quite a parallel 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:05.399 or a model, what can we learn right now from 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:10.360 Germany for instance, from Germany and the UK that are 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:14.920 experiencing Again, folks are saying at least being reported higher 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:19.080 numbers right now in twenty twenty two then in twenty 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:23.040 twenty when this originated. Yeah, it's it's Germany and UK 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:26.879 are really scary because they're relatively comparable to US. I 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:30.080