1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikay Up Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: In my conversation today with doctor Jonathan Metzel, our regular 4 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Wednesday conversation, we're going to once again be talking about 5 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: COVID right because while America seems to have wanted to 6 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: turn the page, burn the book, forget that COVID exists 7 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: and is happening. We had doctor Fauci on a couple 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: of weeks ago who said, you know, it's drizzling right now, 9 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: so we don't need the same type of protections that 10 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: we had at the height of surges, and that we 11 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: can assume some level of normal. I want to read 12 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: you this thread that came out from NPR Politics yesterday 13 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: that should be setting off alarm bells and I kind 14 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: of want to dig into. So here it is from 15 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: NPR Politics. They're thread from yesterday. The White House is 16 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: warning it will have to wind down a program that 17 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: pays to test, treat, and vaccinate unensured people for COVID 18 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: nineteen because the administration has run out of money for 19 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: the program, which Congress fail to include in funding legislation. 20 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: Second tweet. Another immediate impact will be an end to 21 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: federal funding for monoclonal antibodies, a treatment that had been 22 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: provided free of charge, Starting next week. The White House 23 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: said it will cut allocations to states by more than 24 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: thirty percent to try and stretch its existing applies. Number 25 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: three tweet. The government cannot buy more oral anti viral 26 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: treatments like packs void beyond the twenty million treatments already 27 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: secured and needs to scale back plan purchases of preventative 28 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: treatments for immuno and compromised people. The White House said, 29 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: excuse me, immunocompromise people. Number four. Research into next generation 30 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: COVID vaccines will be curbed, and some surveillance for new 31 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: variants will also be stopped, the White House said. The 32 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: administration said it also will need to limit its pushed 33 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: to help poorer countries vaccinate people. Number five. The White 34 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: House had asked for twenty two point five billion in 35 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: funding for these items and more, but was denied as 36 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: a part of a broader funding package. Democrats are expected 37 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: to proceed with the standalone OW COVID funding bill, which 38 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: is expected to pass the House but unlikely to pass 39 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: the Senate. Folks, what the fuck right? So I want 40 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: us to be very clear, right that the government has 41 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: more money than it actually knows what to do with, 42 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: more of our money than it knows what to do with, 43 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: so much so that it just released, oh, I don't know, 44 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: over thirteen billion dollars to aid Ukraine to fight back 45 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: against the Russian insurrection, right, the Russian invasion. So we 46 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: have over thirteen billion dollars to be able to give 47 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: to the Ukraine so that they can fight against authoritarian rule, 48 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: But we don't have twenty two billion dollars to be 49 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: able to allocate for people in this country to ensure 50 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: that the spike which we know is coming, which I 51 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: will talk about shortly, to ensure that both immuno and 52 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: compromise people people who are uninsured, that you're receiving the 53 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: care that you need, that your states are able to 54 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: provide for you the care that you need, because we 55 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: are in what a global fucking health pandemic. So how 56 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: is it that you can stand up at the State 57 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: of the fucking Union, spend half the time talking about 58 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the Ukraine, not mention the insurrection, barely talk about fucking COVID, 59 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: and then turn around and then say so basically, I'll 60 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: let them eat COVID, right, because we don't have the resources. 61 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: It is bullshit, and it's the continual fucking lie that 62 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I am so exhausted by when I tell you how 63 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: fucking done I am these days with this current administration, 64 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why, because you see, I didn't 65 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: expect shit from Donald Trump, Right. I didn't expect anything 66 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: because we knew exactly where we stood with the Trump 67 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: administration as it pertained to public health, as it pertained 68 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: to public safety, so long as they are funding police 69 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: so that they can beat the shit out of regular citizens, right, Like, 70 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: I had no expectations. But when you come in as 71 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: a Biden Harris administration and tell us that we need 72 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: to vote for you so that adults are back in 73 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: the room and that adults are back in charge, right, 74 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: and that we're going to have vaccines and roll them 75 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: out and we're going to take care of these issues, 76 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: and that you're telling me that how you stand next 77 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: to the other guy is a very clear distinction of 78 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: I am due for the people. And then you want 79 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: to turn around now after a shitty fucking vaccine rollout, Right, 80 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: It had a lot of bumps folks before vaccines actually 81 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: got to where they needed to go. Right And again, 82 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: this administration was given a lot of room because we 83 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: knew what they were walking into. But explain to me 84 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: how you can dip into a pocket to provide money 85 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: for the Ukraine to defend itself, but you don't have 86 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: the same ability to have America defend itself from a 87 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: virus that is killed close to a million people that 88 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: now you want to tell us is all but done 89 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: so everyone can go back to work. Oh just in 90 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: time for gas to be through the fucking roof, and 91 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: oh just in time as cities around China are fucking 92 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: closing down again, as the Netherlands and Germany and the 93 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: UK all who rolled back mask mandates and indoor masking 94 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: and all social distancing and all of these things that 95 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: they have gotten rid of because you know, the world 96 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: was over. COVID are now back into a zone where 97 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: they are surging in places in China are surging above 98 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty levels. And that the new variant BA point two, 99 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: which is the subvariant of omicron, spreads thirty percent faster 100 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: than omicron, which took over delta in a matter of 101 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: fucking weeks there were reports coming out right, particularly here 102 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: in New York, which he uses the sewage system to 103 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: be able to see or anticipate when another surge is coming. 104 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: And guess what the sewage system is showing us, Oh, 105 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: the numbers of people getting COVID in New York City 106 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: are on the rise. Again. It's as if we're standing 107 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: on the tracks we think that the light ahead is 108 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: the tunnel the exit on the other side, and not 109 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: realizing that it's an oncoming train. And I'm just wondering, 110 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: how many times do we have to walk down the 111 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: same dark tunnel for us to realize that the light 112 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: that we are seeing is not the light at the 113 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: end of the tunnel, it is the next fucking COVID search. 114 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: So now we have a situation where those that are 115 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: uninsured are not going to be able to access treatment, 116 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: right because in New York City, regardless of your insurance status, 117 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: you were able to get tested, you were able to 118 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: get boosted and get vaccinated in all of these things. 119 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: And so what this NPR tweet thread and report is 120 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: is like, oh, well, the United States has run out 121 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: of money, We've run out of resources, so pretty much 122 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: you're on your fucking own. And if you don't have 123 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: the ability to test yourself at home, and you don't 124 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: have the ability to remote learn, and you don't have 125 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: the ability to do these things for yourself, you are 126 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: essentially going to be fucked because this administration does not 127 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: have the bandwidth, nor the resources, or the strategy to 128 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: deal with the oncoming train that we know is coming 129 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: in a few weeks. The conversation that I will have 130 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: with Jonathan will outline how the United States is different 131 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: than China, why China is experiencing the kind of surge 132 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: that they are, but how the countries that we are 133 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: actually more demographically aligned with, meaning that with the last 134 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: wave of omicron infected forty five percent of the US population, 135 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: damn near half those people, according to the late reports, 136 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: will be better set up with antibodies to help them 137 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: navigate a potential surge of BA point two. What has 138 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: happened in China is that because they have had a 139 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: zero COVID policy, meaning that they are quick to shut 140 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: things down, they are quick to put people back in 141 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: their homes, they are quick to go back to essential businesses. 142 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: Only in operation, they don't have the same level of 143 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: quote unquote herd immunity that we have gotten in other 144 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: countries have gotten. But get this, what we are seeing 145 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: is that there are people who are vaccinated who are 146 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: still getting reinfected. And so now we're setting up a 147 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: situation where not only can folks get reinfected, because we 148 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: know that what the vaccines and the boosters do is 149 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: stop certain death and hospitalization, it does not stop the 150 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: spread of COVID. I don't know how many times that 151 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: that needs to be said, because I still receive stupid 152 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: fucking tweets from people that are like, oh, you know, 153 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: Fauci was wrong and Biden is dumb and vaccines don't work. No, 154 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: you're not dead. So the fact that by virtue you're 155 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: able to tweet me back some stupid hot shit means 156 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: that the vaccine, if you in fact got it, worked 157 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: But this, folks, this what is being outlined here. But 158 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: then we want to turn around and again our tax 159 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: dollars to go to help the people of Ukraine, but 160 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: our tax dollars not being used to help people in 161 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: this country. We're first of all, we're not using our 162 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: tax dollars to secure our own fucking democracy. We're not 163 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: using it to create guardrails against what we know will 164 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: be consistent surges of COVID nineteen because unlike the fantasy 165 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: world that Republicans are living in, no, it is not 166 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: going to be endemic any fucking time soon. Because the 167 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: more virus that is in the air, the more infected 168 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: people become, the more avenues it has to continue to mutate, 169 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: and the more variants that will come through. And what 170 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: the last three variants have shown us from Alpha is 171 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: that with each turn at the fucking wheel, COVID nineteen 172 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: becomes more and more contagious. So for those people who 173 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: are unvaccinated, unboosted, you will most likely end up in 174 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: the hospital and or dead. The Fiser CEO recently came 175 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: out and again this was a blip on everybody's radar 176 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: when he said, yeah, so your booster shots pretty much Wayne, 177 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: if not just drop at five months, definitely at six 178 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: and that everyone is going to need a fourth shot. Well, 179 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: how is everybody going to receive a fourth shot? If 180 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: the US government, if the Biden administration is telling us 181 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: they don't got no more our money for it, So 182 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: then what is that going to look like? How much 183 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: is it going to cost us to be able to 184 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: walk into, said CBS Duane read whatever place to get 185 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: your shot, and now because the government is no longer 186 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: going to be funding that, but everyone is saying that 187 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: we need it. What is that going to look like? 188 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: And if it sounds to you like it sounds to me, 189 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: which is an incredible money making scheme by big pharma 190 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: that is no longer going to be supported by the 191 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: US government. And you can't force private companies, you know, 192 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: to do the right thing, and we know that they 193 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: sure as fuck do not. Sounds to me like we 194 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: are screwed. And I'm just like, I'm at a point 195 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: with this administration and with the Democrats in general, that 196 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: it is no longer enough for you to tell me 197 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: who you are not instead of telling me who you are. 198 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: It is not enough to want to finger wag and say, well, 199 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: if you don't vote for me, you're going to be 200 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: stuck with DeSantis or Trump or whomever. When again, I'm 201 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: stuck with you right now, and I can't tell you 202 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: what has been passed in my favor. So the Senate 203 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: just passed what daylight savings this week so that we 204 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: don't have to continue to fall back or spring ahead. 205 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: Wonderful oh, you passed legislation that finally made lynching a 206 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: fucking hate crime after multiple decades of unarmed black people 207 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: being lynched, right, the most recent being Ahmad Aubrey and 208 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: fucking George Floyd. Folks. I'm just like, it is really 209 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: difficult to continue to tell people to have faith and 210 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: hope when every day I'm staring this administration in the 211 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: face and I'm like, oh, you all are not only 212 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: going to lose midterms, right, which was inevitable because of 213 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: how America votes, but you are damn sure setting up 214 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: a fucking loss in twenty twenty four. Because I just 215 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: don't know what this administration is going to point to 216 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: as their success because if COVID continues to rage, which 217 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: it will, because now we have lost money and the 218 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: ability to test and to treat and to vaccinate all people, 219 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: right then what do we think is going to happen? Folks? 220 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, our in 221 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, to go on a deeper 222 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: dive into where China stands right now and what we 223 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: are hearing about outbreaks in Israel, the Netherlands and Germany, 224 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: and what it is that we all need to be 225 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: paying attention to that is coming up next. Friends, you 226 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: know that when it is a Wednesday, I am always 227 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: so happy an honor to be joined by our in 228 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Jonathan, it seems like it's 229 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: been sometime since we have done a deep dive into COVID, 230 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: and frankly, I feel like we may be the only 231 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: ones left right now in the United States that are 232 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: interested in doing anybody's deep dive into COVID, because there 233 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: has been seemingly a concerted effort by the CDC, the 234 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: Biden administration, Network Television to just move on and go 235 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: back to normal and pretend as if the last two 236 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: years have not happened. But I woke up at four 237 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: am because of daylight savings that has hit me later 238 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: and started going through articles, an array of them about China, 239 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: about the net lens, about Germany, and be a point two, 240 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: which is the omicron subvariant. Jonathan, what's happening globally right 241 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: now with regard to COVID and where the rest of 242 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: the world is versus where you see us in the 243 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: United States right now? COVID the name sounds from sounds familiar. Yeah, Okay, 244 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: it's somebody from the nineties, right from Back to the 245 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: Future or something like that. You know, it's funny because 246 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm here in Tennessee, and believe it or not, people 247 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: are wearing a lot of masks here in Tennessee, At 248 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: least in my world right now, I think there's a 249 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: fair bit of nervousness in the air. I think for 250 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: the most part, people feel like, oh my gosh, we're 251 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: over it. And also the weather's getting nicer. We can 252 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: be outside all these kind of things. But there's some 253 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: pretty serious shit happening in the rest of the world 254 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: right now that I think we want to pay attention to, 255 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: and not that the United States. I mean, the good 256 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: thing about the United States, if the is an omicron subvariant, 257 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: which it is, is that we don't exactly know what's 258 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: going to happen in the United States because we rushed 259 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: out and embraced omicron the first time there is concerning data. 260 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: Germany is in a kind of crisis situation as of 261 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: this morning. Israel, which is kind of the canary in 262 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: the coal mine for us a lot of times, is 263 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: seeing a pretty big spike also, and that's a place 264 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: where a lot of people are vaccinated and a lot 265 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: of people got omicron. And I also have heard, you know, 266 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: I've been reading all this stuff also that there are 267 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: studies in southern California where they're seeing in plant water 268 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: and things like that that there's rise in this subvariant also, 269 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: and so there's a probably another wave that's got about 270 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: to happen in the United States, to be honest, I mean, 271 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: and the thing is, people are worried because this BA 272 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: two sounds a little bit more severe, a little bit 273 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: more harsh than the first omicron that came through, and 274 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: it's also thirty percent more infectious. And so, believe it 275 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: or not, if we just could take politics out of this, 276 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: which we can't, right we would say we would say, 277 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: everybody play it safe right now, because you know that 278 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: a time when a spike is about to happen is 279 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: the time where, if you can help it, you don't 280 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: want to get sick because there's going to be a 281 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: lot of other people's sick at that time. So, believe 282 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: it or not, we're in a moment right now which 283 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: is kind of a calm before the storm kind of moment. 284 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I can't get my relatives 285 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: to take this stuff seriously. I can't get most people. 286 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm playing in a faculty basketball game after we speak today, 287 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: and I'm the only dude in the game who wears 288 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: a mask, and so I just, you know, I think 289 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: that people feel like they're over it. But as we've seen, 290 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: the virus sets the narrative, and so a lot of 291 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: places that also also thought they were over it. The 292 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 1: minute people start getting sick, all of a sudden, they 293 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: change their tune. And so I just think the long 294 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: and the short of it is, don't throw away your masks, 295 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: play it safe for the next couple weeks at least 296 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: to see how this thing plays out in the United States. 297 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, it's hard. Everybody's so exhausted, 298 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: and honestly, yeah, go ahead. No. I was going to say, 299 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: so a couple of things. One in New York City, 300 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: as I'm assuming in a lot of other cities and places, 301 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: the way that they have been tracking whether or not 302 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: we're headed towards another surge has been in the sewage. 303 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: Right you mentioned the plant water in southern California. I 304 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: read a report about, you know, how we predict what 305 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: is happening in New York and it's based on the 306 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: sewage and the fact that what they are seeing right 307 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: now is that there is a spike in the BA 308 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: point to sub variant, which was first discovered in I 309 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: think it was November of twenty twenty one, and that 310 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: this is an early indicator of where we will be 311 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: right now. There are several cities within China that because 312 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: China has a zero COVID policy, so as soon as 313 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: things start to ramp up there in any type of way, 314 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 1: they shut shit down. They have gone back to remote 315 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: learning in a number of cities. They have they're only 316 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: having essential businesses open in a number of cities, which 317 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: is really affecting our tech creation right and product development 318 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: in this country because we use factories in China. So 319 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: Apple's products opened down at the beginning of this week 320 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: because of the news coming out of China, and they 321 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: are saying that they haven't seen a surge like the 322 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: one that they are currently experiencing since the beginning of 323 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: the pandemic of March twenty twenty. We are seeing the 324 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: same thing happen in Germany. The Netherlands numbers are super 325 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: high as well. What's being said, Jonathan is that forty 326 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: five percent of the United States population got omicron right like, 327 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: And that why we are seeing this spread so fast 328 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: around China is because there isn't built in immunity in 329 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: the way that there is some built in immunity here, 330 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: because forty five almost half of the population got omicron 331 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: at the you know, in the winter of twenty twenty one. 332 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: Can you speak to that and what like? You talk 333 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: about Israel as the canary in the coal mine, but 334 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: in many ways, most of Europe has been the canary 335 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: in the coal mine. We have been lagging, I would 336 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: say over the past two years, roughly three weeks to 337 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: six weeks behind where things are in Europe. So can 338 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: you speak to the differences that you are seeing with 339 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: regard to China and there's zero COVID policy versus the 340 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: United States, and then again with Europe in the countries 341 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned and with the US right now. I mean, 342 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: the main issue with China is that it's an older population. 343 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: Very often, who are the people who are getting getting it? 344 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: They've they've been so super safe that a lot of 345 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: people haven't had any exposure to COVID. And the other part, 346 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: of course is that they've got the Sputnik vaccine a 347 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: lot of people. The Russian vaccine are different, I mean 348 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: the vaccine. They're using our different technology often for a 349 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: lot of people than the technology we have here, and 350 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: those vaccines just don't work quite as well. And so 351 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons why China is more vulnerable 352 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: right now. But I also think that this is kind 353 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: of what we do when things start to ramp up again, 354 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: is that we tell our human narrative like, oh, it 355 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: must be Italy because they only write organic pasta, and 356 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: it must be whatever, like we you know, every time 357 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: this happens, we tell some story that makes it makes sense. Oh, 358 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: that's why that is, and that's why they're at risk. 359 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: But we're not at risk. But the honest answer is, 360 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: if anybody tells you that we're not at risk, they 361 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: don't know what they're talking about. We don't know for 362 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: at risk right now. And I would say that there's 363 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: some there's some concerning warning signs of places that have 364 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: comparable and China is not super comparable to us. But 365 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: think about the irony of that, right, China, in many ways, 366 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: they did everything right, like a total public health state, 367 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: and it's making them more vulnerable now, whereas for us 368 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: or you know, theoretically we could be more protected because 369 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: of all these honkeys who went out and got it, 370 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, and so and so and so. You know, 371 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: who knows who knows that what's going to happen. I'm 372 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: not advocating for. I mean, the folly of herd immunity 373 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: is that the virus keeps changing and people I mean 374 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: I know people who have gotten it like five times already, 375 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: and so and so. We don't know, But I would 376 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: say that China is a warning sign of a bad vaccine, 377 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: but also of a complete lockdown without encourage encountering any pathogens. 378 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Now that being said, I know a lot of people 379 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: in New York. I was on the phone before this 380 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: with a friend of mine in Israel, and they're getting 381 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: it and they've been super safe all along, So there's 382 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: something going on now. The other thing in Israel is 383 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: they've had a polio outbreak, which is freaking everybody the 384 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: hell out because polio is unheard of. But people are 385 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: not getting vaccines, like kids aren't going to the doctor 386 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, And so COVID is not our 387 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: only issue right now in terms of the infectious disease front. 388 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: It's also all these people not getting vaccines for other stuff, 389 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: and so it's a it's a moment. I mean, I 390 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: would say, if you're at home and you want to 391 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: know what to do just to feel safe, take drugs, 392 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: pat shut up or the words. But how but how 393 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: are we so if China, because of their different vaccine 394 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: roll out, their different protocols, is not quite a parallel 395 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: or a model, what can we learn right now from 396 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: Germany for instance, from Germany and the UK that are 397 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: experiencing Again, folks are saying at least being reported higher 398 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: numbers right now in twenty twenty two then in twenty 399 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: twenty when this originated. Yeah, it's it's Germany and UK 400 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: are really scary because they're relatively comparable to US. I 401 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: mean UK. It was basically like we're done with the virus, 402 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: which we always say we're done with the virus, right. 403 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: I love that. You know, we need somebody working with 404 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: the virus who would say that they're done with us, 405 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: and that's not happening. So so yeah, again, this is 406 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: a time where a lot of people who were I mean, 407 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: the minute President Obama gets it, I'm paying attention because 408 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, something is something. People who are being careful, 409 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: we're all letting our guard down. I went into a 410 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: restaurant without a ask in Brooklyn the other day and 411 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: it was weird, but I thought, oh, this is what 412 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: I do. I go into a restaurant night dinner. And 413 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: then I looked out the window. I was in the restaurant. 414 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: It was kind of a cool night over the weekend, 415 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: and there was an outdoor dining area and there was 416 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: one poor guy on a date and they were outside aiding, 417 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: and I thought, those poor suckers, you know, like, look 418 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: at me inside or something. So the minute you kind 419 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: of switch over to the other side, it's kind of 420 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to go back, right, And so 421 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: I think what Germany is seeing is that in UK also, 422 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: they had basically said the pandemic is over for us, 423 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: and so putting that genie back in the bottle is 424 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 1: pretty hard for societies. And you understand that just from 425 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: psychological terms also, So are they right now? Then? In 426 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: your I mean again, I don't understand, Jonathan, And I 427 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: know that you're saying it's human nature and it's the 428 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: narratives that we tell ourselves. But I don't understand how 429 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: we continue to say we're done with COVID and then 430 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: every time that we do that, And I would say 431 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: that this round in the United States, with the rollback 432 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: of pretty much every single mandate that was put in place, 433 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: um with them now all being erased, and we're watching 434 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: what is happening in Europe, how is it not? How 435 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: how is it that we're locked into this belief still 436 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: that it's not going to affect us like we have 437 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: we've stopped. I mean, I you know, tried to not 438 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: watch as much cable news as I used to. I like, I, 439 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: you know, for my own sanity and emotional protection, I 440 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: try to just dip in for like a little bit. 441 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: But I have noticed and my mother, you know, I 442 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: was home with her over the weekend, and my parents 443 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: and they're like, nobody talks about COVID anymore, like at all, 444 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, not the numbers, not the infection rates, not 445 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: the deaths, nothing, And so like, how is it that 446 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: we're back into this place of believing that we can 447 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: will this virus away and it's showing up aggressively again 448 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: in another place that we know we're behind three to 449 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: six weeks. Yeah, I mean again, the three, the three 450 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: main points to pay attention to right now. Number one, 451 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: cases are spiking seriously in places that have been precursors 452 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: to the United States and have demographically and infectiously similar 453 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: profiles in a way, And so number one, it's happening 454 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: other places. Number Two, there's a new variant, and we 455 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: don't know how bad it is, right we haven't done 456 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: the data yet. Again, I keep waiting for happy COVID 457 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: that grows hair on your head, gives you a four 458 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: hour erection, but it hasn't happened yet. But so we 459 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: don't know how bad this thing is. And honestly, it 460 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: could be bad. We honestly don't know. I will say 461 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: that in a lot of other places they're they're building 462 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: overflow intensive care units and things like that. So a 463 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of other places think it's bad. And number three, 464 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: we're not paying attention. So that's that's a luxury we 465 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: have at this moment. The question is two three weeks 466 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: from now, how are we going to feel about that? 467 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: And I honestly don't know. I don't know the answer. 468 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: So um, you know, it could be it could be 469 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: that it's not a big deal. But I'm I mean 470 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: The hard part is I'm going to try to keep 471 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: playing it safe, especially for the next two weeks. I'm 472 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: going to think about think about, you know, when was 473 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: my last booster, and think about maybe thinking about another booster. 474 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: If I'm at the six month mark or the five 475 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: month mark, I'm going to figure out, you know, just 476 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: kind of put it in my mind, because it's I 477 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 1: don't know, we don't we don't know where we're going 478 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: to be in two weeks. And of course we're all 479 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: distracted by the rest of the world imploding and Chernobyl 480 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: and everything. We're just living. We're living like we're honestly, 481 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: we're living the eighties all over again, with like Chernobyl 482 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: and Van Drago and everything like that and so um 483 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: and so there's a lot going on right now. But 484 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: I would say that two weeks from now, if this 485 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: thing turns out to be as bad here as it 486 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: is in other places, people are gonna want to wit. 487 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: People are gonna wish that they that they took this 488 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: thing a little bit more seriously now. So I say 489 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: now is the time to be cautious, which, of course, 490 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: of course it's hard to do whenever when it's freezing outside, 491 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: and everybody's eating inside. I thought, fuck it, I'm eating inside, 492 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean I'm gonna I'm I have 493 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: done the same thing, right, like I have. I have 494 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: done the same thing. The thing that I am most 495 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 1: nervous about, and I want to get your thoughts on, is, 496 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: to date, I have not tested positive for COVID either. 497 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: But I'm really now concerned because in one of the 498 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: articles that I was reading, it's saying, well, for for 499 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: half the population that got omicron that they're going to 500 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: be better off with this sub variant, then the rest 501 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: of us who are boosted vaccinated but didn't get it, 502 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: and so and then and here's the other thing too, 503 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: because you just brought it up my booster, right. So 504 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: the third shot was in November, Viser CEO came out 505 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: and again I found this like just a little thread 506 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: in the Twitter because once again was not being talked 507 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: about on cable news. Visor CEO came out and said, 508 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: so pretty sure y'all need a fourth shot, right, He's like, 509 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: he's like, you need a fourth shot. We're working on 510 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: a long term vaccine that will you know, be be 511 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: working for at least a year, but we're not there. 512 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: So if you're if you are waning to that side, 513 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: like I am five months, six months, you need to 514 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: get a fourth shot. And I'm like, are we even 515 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: allowed to get fourth shots right now? Is that is 516 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: that a thing? Yeah? Well then I'm going to get one. Yeah, yeah, don't. 517 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's a great strategy for doing that. It's 518 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: called lying um and and I recommend you do it. 519 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is the formulation of the vaccine 520 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: that's still out there is still the delta formulation. There 521 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: is an omicron specific vaccine that they've been testing, and 522 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: I don't see why they're not like rolling that thing 523 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: out like yesterday. Um. So it's still the older formulation 524 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: of the vaccine. So it's it's good you want to 525 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: have high antibodies at a time like this. Um. But yeah, no, 526 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: I would just say, lyeing, go get this shot. I 527 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: mean I think that that's that that that that's one 528 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: reasonable strategy. UM. Don't don't quote me on that, don't 529 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: put me on television about that or anything like that. 530 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: But um but um, but no, I think that right 531 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: now is the time to right now is the time 532 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: to um to be a little defensive. And I do 533 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: I think you're right that if it's it's an overcron subvariant. 534 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: People who did I mean I didn't. I haven't gotten 535 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: it either, And so I asked my friend this morning, 536 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: is there a place I can rush out and get 537 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: the old omicron? You know? But you know, I don't know. 538 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: I think you're still better off having not had it, 539 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: because there are plenty people who are having long COVID 540 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: symptoms now from right, which again you know again people 541 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: are not and by people, I mean the administration, I 542 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: mean the CDC, I mean folks that have been going 543 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: on television for the past two years to talk about 544 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: COVID are not talking about long COVID and what I'm 545 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: hearing And there was a report in the New York Times, Oh, 546 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: we think that long COVID really affects your brain, right, 547 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: like that it's not just people having to work back 548 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: up to the respiratory levels that they had pre COVID, 549 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: but that they're having brain issues, right, They're having memory loss, 550 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: they're having focus issues, they're having migrains and all of 551 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: these things. Jonathan, do you think that this administration is 552 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: going to be caught flat footed in the next couple 553 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: of weeks because of the push to go back to work, 554 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: go back to normal, go back to the way that 555 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: things were. This is what has been coming out of 556 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: this administration for the last three weeks. We had doctor 557 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: Fauci on a couple of weeks ago who said, you know, 558 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: when it's pouring, you wear galoshes in a raincoat. It's 559 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: drizzling now, so you can take off, you know, you 560 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: can take off some layers. What's happening in China and 561 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: Europe and Israel is actually stating otherwise that it's it's 562 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: not drizzling actually right, that the storm is in a 563 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: different location right now, but it is actually you can 564 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: see it in the horizon. Yeah, I mean, I think 565 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: I think that's right. The hard thing from my perspective 566 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: right now is that it's not like they are very 567 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: smart scientists and public health researchers in the administration. It's 568 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: just the the pandemic became political for everyone, right. It 569 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: became an untenable political response for the Democrats to be 570 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: saying we need to stay cautious. That was actually that 571 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: was going to cost them the midterms. It was going 572 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: to cost them everything, and so health became political for 573 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: the Democrats. Also, is a reaction to it becoming so 574 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: political for the Republicans. And so it's not like the 575 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: Democrats are being driven by sound science right now. They're 576 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: trying to basically say, oh, mandates, no, no, that that's 577 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's somebody must be somebody else mandates, 578 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: that's not us. And so in a way, nobody's making 579 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: decisions that are about health right now. And it's true 580 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: on both sides. I mean, Eric Adams, you know, it's 581 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: easy to become mayor of New York two months ago, 582 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: when the cases are falling and everybody's vaccinated, you can say, 583 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: you know whatever, go everybody go to a strip club, 584 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: you know whatever. M But but but in a month 585 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: when things are going crazy, what's the Eric Adams position 586 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: to be. I mean, that's when things get hard. Like 587 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: he can be all chummy with Kyrie Irving now, but 588 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: if things start to get serious again, is he is 589 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: he can be able to turn the corner and say, look, 590 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: we got to take this seriously again. That's that's really 591 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: the hard question, because you know, nobody I think I 592 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: just think they realized that from a population science level, 593 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: that it became unmanageable. And and again it's it's hard 594 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: because I mean there's so much anger, frustration, beer in 595 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: the world, and then the weather starts getting nice and 596 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: the many you take off your mask for the first time. 597 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean I totally understand that. For me, I thought, man, 598 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: I can go back to my life of just waking 599 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: up in a different hotel room every morning and not 600 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: knowing where I am or how I got that's the 601 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: life you had, good doctor, Yeah, who is Like who 602 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: is who is this person? And how did I get here? 603 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: And sneaking out with my clothes and like I missed 604 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,280 Speaker 1: that life that you missed that life, but like clearly 605 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy Yeah, but but but and so it's 606 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: hard because like the minute you have a touch of 607 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: normal normalcy, you recognize kind of oh we lost that's 608 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: what we lost. Um but but but but again, you 609 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: know again it's just resilience. Unfortunately, I don't know. It's 610 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: like all these things I was thinking the other day, 611 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: like COVID and putin are exactly the same, Like this 612 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: thing you kind of stopped paying attention to and then 613 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: they come back and show you like with a vengeance. 614 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So you know the last question that 615 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: I have for you, Jonathan today, is we have seen 616 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: these spikes happen at different seasons, right like we have 617 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: We have noticed notably, you know, the late fall winter 618 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: has been really bad in the United States. Spring and summer. However, 619 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 1: even though Delta was this covered in the summer of 620 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: what twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, I don't remember. 621 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: Is it better if there is a surge that happens, 622 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: that it happens for us in the springtime because we're 623 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: able to be outside, because you're not going to be 624 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: lowered into you know, the indoor dining or indoor things, 625 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: and there is such a desire particularly here, you know, 626 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: on the East Coast, that things start to get warmer. 627 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: Is that is that a better scenario for us rather 628 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: than a fall a late fall winter? I mean absolutely. 629 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: If it's an airborne virus, you want to be outside, 630 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: and that's always going to be true. The thing is, 631 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,240 Speaker 1: we had never seen a virus during the pandemic spread 632 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: as quickly as the Big Oh last December, and we thought, 633 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, how could it spread that fast? And 634 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 1: now this new variant spreads thirty times faster than that, 635 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: and so the virus is always going to try to 636 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: find our patterns and then subvert right the whole goal 637 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: of the of the viruses to be more infectious than 638 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: the one that came before. And so this new variant 639 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: is going to have some new rules and and and 640 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: the other thing we haven't even spoken about is we're 641 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: defunding COVID research right now in a pretty significant way. 642 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: And so there are real implications for just our health apparatus, 643 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: our healthcare, all these kind of things. And so we're 644 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: you know, the risk is a knowledge vacuum in a 645 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: particular way. Well, Jonathan, we here at least unwoke af 646 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: We'll continue to keep our eyes open and have conversations 647 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: about COVID even if the mainstream and the rest of 648 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: the world has moved on. I wouldn't say the rest 649 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: of the world. I'll say the United States has moved 650 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: on and think that we're past it. I'll tell folks 651 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: that are listening to stay vigilant, to read up on 652 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: what is what is happening, because you're not going to 653 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: see it on cable news until it gets to a 654 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: fever pitch. And we don't need things to reach yet 655 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: another fever pitch when we know exactly what it is 656 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: that we need to do, which is wear masks and 657 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: be really thoughtful about how we gather and where we gather. So, folks, 658 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: this is your first warning as we learn more about 659 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: the omicron subvariant. Jonathan, as always, thank you so much 660 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: for making the time to walk us through the latest. 661 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: That is it for me, dear friends today on woke 662 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: a app. As always, Power to the people and to 663 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: all the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.