WEBVTT - The Trial [9] 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:05.880 You're listening to Monster BTK, a production of iHeart Podcasts 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.080 and Tenderfoot TV. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:19.400 One afternoon in two thousand and five, we noticed everything 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.600 went very quiet at the police department. No one would 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.760 return our calls, no one would even talk to us. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.280 And I remember talking to our police reporter and she said, 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.199 something's up, and I thought exactly the same thing. And 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:38.479 in a few minutes, we heard traffic in Park City 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.159 that they had stopped a car in Park City, Kansas, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.200 and every detective from the Wichitaw Police Department was out there, 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.879 so obviously we went out there and sure enough it 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:58.200 was Dennis Raider AKABTK and that's when the story exploded 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:04.040 in Wichita The networks flew their powerful anchors and reporters in. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:10.080 Everybody wanted to interview denistrator, including me, and it was 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.400 kind of a free for all, and it was just crazy. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.280 And all of the stories that I liked to cover 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.199 on wonderful people doing wonderful things, that was all put 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.559 by the wayside, and now it was BTK all the time, 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:29.920 every day as he's incarcerated in the Sedgwick County Detention Center. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.560 I like every other reporter wrote to him and said, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.080 I want to interview you. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.720 Please let me interview you. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.160 Well, we all wanted an interview, but that wasn't going 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.319 to happen. But I did write to him and I 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.200 gave him my phone number and I said, if you 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.720 can call me, this is my home phone. Give me 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.160 a call. Now he's incarcerated, he's not going to come 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.800 after me. And one Saturday morning he called me and 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.280 the operator said, no, I have a collect call from 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:03.800 the Sedgwy County Detention Center. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.040 Will you accept the charges? 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.840 And you go, wow, yes I will. And on the 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.280 other end, he said. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.960 Larry, this is Dennis Rider. Okay, here we go. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.399 I had my phone already set up to be able 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:24.400 to record audio, and the problem was the phone in 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:29.120 the jail is terrible. You talk about bad audio, this 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.760 was bad audio. Pops and buzzes and beeps, and I 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.760 have no clue how many people were listening on it. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.160 I said, well, I appreciate you calling me. I have 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.160 thirty years of questions and he said I have twenty minutes. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.280 I said, okay, So. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.639 I started asking him questions. And one of the questions 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.560 that I asked him and I will never forget this. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:56.560 I said, how could you kill two children? And he said, oh, well, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.359 they were just collateral. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.520 Just collise. I will never forget that. 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:09.120 And he spoke about it as you would speak to 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.920 the baker as you pick up a dozen donuts at 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:16.720 the bakery, without feeling, without excitement, that they were just collateral. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:22.359 And that I found that stunning. And then a few 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.720 months later the trial began in the Central County District Court. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.040 Someone killed four members of a family. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.160 Had you vanished from her home suddenly last weekend? Her 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.520 phone lines had been cut, her door left open. 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.080 You see the victim playing there with plastic bags over 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:49.280 their heads, strangled. You could tell there was a planned scenario. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.960 Well, police have said no more about the contents of 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.800 the letter. It does contain some sort of threat and 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.080 implies the killer may strike again. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.600 He's going to play with these victims to the point 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.320 of death and then bring them back, and then brings 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:05.640 them back to the point of death. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:12.760 From My Heart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. I'm Susan Peters 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:23.520 and this is Monster BTK. On February twenty eight, two 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.160 thousand and five, just three days after he was arrested, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:32.239 Dennis Rader was charged with ten counts of first degree murder. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.599 During his initial interrogation, Rader had revealed that he was 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.200 responsible for two murders the police hadn't known he was 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:46.040 connected to those of Marine Hedge and Dolores Davis. While 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:51.200 awaiting trial, Raider was held in the Sedgwick County Detention Center. Meanwhile, 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.560 prosecutors were starting to build their case. It was assigned 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.520 to Nola Fulston, the Sedgwick County District Attorney, and working 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.839 with her was Kevin O'Connor, who at the time was 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.000 the deputy district attorney. Their first goal was to keep 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.720 Raider in jail, so. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.120 There was a process in deciding how to charge it. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.719 You charged the ten murders. I remember Judge Waller asking 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.360 what kind of bond we wanted, and I think I 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.520 said something to the effect of a I mean, Judge, 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.080 I don't know ten kazillion million. I don't know if 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.160 there is a number that you could ask for on bond. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:34.320 The next question was what sentence would the prosecutors seek. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.159 There was a lot of discussion at the time, a 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.560 lot of thoughts about whether or not he should get 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:44.440 the death penalty. Kansas didn't have a death penalty during 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.280 the years that he was committing these crimes. Kansas has 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.279 one now but didn't then, and so you had a 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.120 lot of confusion about why the death penalty wasn't being sought. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.480 The death penalty had been banned in Kansas up until 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:04.120 nineteen ninety four, when it was officially reinstated, but this 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.520 was long after Raider's last murder, which took place in 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:12.839 nineteen ninety one. Therefore, prosecutors had no choice but to 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.800 instead seek life without parole. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.839 We couldn't seek the death penalty. It wasn't an available 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.479 punishment at the time he was committing these murders. The 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.120 sentence was life, but sentence in Kansas the life sentence 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.640 meant fifteen years, So for each. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.120 Of Rader's ten murders, he would receive fifteen years in 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:36.799 prison if found guilty. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.120 The last murder of Dolores Davis occurred in ninety one, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.400 where there was a hard forty is what it was called, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.679 and that would mean that you got a life sentence, 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.080 but you couldn't be paroled until you serve forty years, 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.320 and you had to have a sentencing hearing on that. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.479 Remember, Raider was fifty nine years old. So this hard 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:04.800 forty rule effectively meant that if he was successfully convicted, 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.720 Raider would spend the rest of his life in prison 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:13.360 with no chance at parole. It seemed like Dennis Rader 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.120 had his work cut out for him, but apparently he 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.320 didn't want any part of it. He didn't find a 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.960 lawyer or speak much at all after his initial interrogation, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.880 even though many attorneys had tried to represent him. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.960 I remember getting a call from the jail saying that 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:37.360 a local attorney was trying to get access to Dennis Raider, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.440 and I remember running from my office over to the 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.240 jail because that attorney wasn't entitled to have contact with him. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.480 He hadn't requested an attorney at that time, but the 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.960 jail had let him have access, and after that he 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.640 decided he didn't want to talk anymore. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.520 We don't know what happened that made Raider choose to 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:01.280 stay quiet after that interaction, but he wouldn't talk again 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:06.720 until months later. At one press conference, Nola Fulston and 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.520 Kevin O'Connor were asked if there would be any talks 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.080 of a plea deal with Raider. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.360 I mean, in my opinion, you can't ple negotiated a 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.440 Dennis Raider BTK case. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.400 In the conclusion to the State's summary of the evidence, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.120 the destruct Attorney's Office echoed this sentiment. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.000 Dennis Rader did not suffer from any mental disease or defect. 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.400 He was not the victim of any psychological, physical, or 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:39.040 sexual abuse. Rader murdered with premeditation and deliberation. He killed 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:44.520 methodically and systematically, uninhibited by any moral concerns or considerations. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.760 Dennis Rader killed because he wanted to kill. The evil 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.760 depravity of his deeds are beyond human comprehension. The time 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.040 has come to hold Raider accountable, to punish him for 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:00.520 his atrocities. Rader deserves the harshest punishment allowed law. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.920 Raider's first court appearance was March first, two thousand and five. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.200 Just a few days after his arrest, Steve Osburne and 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:17.040 Sarah McKinnon were appointed as public defenders. They hired two 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:22.000 people from Cambridge for Insant Consultants to perform a psychological 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.320 assessment on Raider to determine his competency to stand trial. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:32.959 Competency evaluations are not comprehensive mental health examinations. They focus 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:37.559 only on present mental ability to participate in the various 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.920 parts of the legal process. It was doctor Robert Mendoza 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:46.360 who performed the examination. Here's an excerpt from Confession of 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:50.480 a Serial Killer describing Mendoza's findings as read by a 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:51.280 voice actor. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.800 Mendoza noted that there was no history of mental illness 0:09:55.920 --> 0:10:00.360 or drug abuse and no medical conditions. I'm in the 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.439 journals and drawings that Rader had made and the crime 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:08.040 scene photos. He also watched the videotape of Raider's police 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:14.719 interrogation and examined medical school and prison records. During the evaluation, 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:19.960 Raider was depressed, even tearful. His level of attention had declined, 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.920 he had lost weight, and he was anxious. He said 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.840 he had considered suffocating himself in his cell, but despite 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.440 his circumstances, he wanted to live. 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:38.400 This report also identified narcissistic personality disorder and obsessive compulsive 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:43.640 personality disorder. Neither of these diagnoses rose to the level 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.559 of a major mental illness for Raider, and so they 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.920 did not affect his competency to stand trial, and thus 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:56.079 the prosecuting attorney sought to finalize a trial date. They 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.120 did not want Rader to get away with a plea deal. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.240 We wanted to have that hearing. A lot of people 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.920 criticize the district attorney, thinking that she was a media hound. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.400 You know, she just wanted the media attention. I can 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.360 tell you and being in those meetings with her, that 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.480 the goal was to make all the information a public record. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.680 As you all may know that police reports are not 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:24.280 public information, but things that are presented in open court are. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.000 So the ideal was is we're going to put it 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:32.079 all out in open court, so any member of the public, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:37.360 any journalist, would have access to that information and be 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.280 able to describe who Dennis Rader really was. Just an evil, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.320 sadistic murderer, that's all he was. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:51.240 They got their wish. Raiders first public hearing was scheduled 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.280 for June twenty seventh, two thousand and five. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:05.440 From Kate News. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.079 This is a special report BTK Journey to. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:13.800 Justice and Good Morning. Susan and Peters, along with Jeff Herndon, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:19.000 welcome the live team coverage of the BTK case. Each 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.920 previous hearing built with mystery. This is no different. No 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.880 one really knows what is going to happen, except for 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:31.880 Dennis Raider himself. June twenty seventh, two thousand and five 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.160 was one of the wildest days of my life. I 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.400 led the coverage from the Cake studios that morning. As 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.960 my colleagues reported from outside the courthouse, the front steps 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:48.640 were flooded with national media cameras, tents, and microphones everywhere. 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.079 It was about eight thirty am when the families of 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.160 the victims started to appear. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.880 We have some live pictures now from the courthouse. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.600 These are family members at the courthouse, victims of family members. 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:07.079 It looks like Charles Bright is there. I see him. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.640 The big question this morning was whether Dennis Rader would 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.559 change his plea. At a previous hearing, Raider refused to 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.360 speak at all or enter into any formal plea, so 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.160 by default, the judge entered him into a plea of 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.760 not guilty on his behalf. But things had changed since then, 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.280 and there were rumors that Raider planned to flip his plea. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.080 There's really been a last minute decision that's being made, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.480 that they kept all their cards together, and they're going 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.839 to evaluate things as late as this morning and figure 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.360 out what's going to happen. And I also get the 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.720 feeling that Dennis Raider is very much in charge of 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:45.800 that final decision. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.319 I know for a fact that the families wanted Raider 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.439 to plead guilty. They wanted an end to this nightmare, 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.000 and a guilty plea would move things much faster than 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.200 a lengthy trial. Still, all of us were in suspense 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:10.200 as to what Raider's choice would eventually be. At about 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:15.360 eight forty am, the attorneys entered the courtroom. According to 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.680 many sources, raiders defense attorneys appeared nervous. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.200 These attorneys have been working with the Raider since the 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.400 very since the first appearance when they were assigned. There 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.880 have been some rumors that there is some discord amongst 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.000 them with or between them and Raider. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:41.560 Finally, after everyone else was settled, Dennis Raider entered the courtroom. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.600 There's Dennis Raider walking into court. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.600 He does have a bulletproof vest on, it appears. Let's 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:48.680 listen into the proceedings. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.080 Thank you, please be seated all right? 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.440 At this time comes on before the court case captioned 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.200 of the State of Kansas Plaintiff versus Dennis L. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:14:59.520 Raider, Defendive. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:05.360 After going through the standard introductory remarks, Judge Gregory Waller 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:10.840 asked Rader the question everyone was waiting for how would 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:11.880 he plead. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.720 Yarn At this time, mister Rader wave his right to 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.120 a jury trial and interplea of guilty to all ten counts. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.040 Sir, I have been advised as your desire to enter 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:24.920 a plea of guilty in this case. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:26.280 Is that correct, yes, sir. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.080 At perhaps the last minute, Dennis Rader chose to plead 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:36.160 guilty to all ten counts of murder and thus avoid 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:41.560 a trial. Then Judge Waller prompted Rader to explain how 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:46.880 he murdered his victims. Surprisingly, Rader was more than happy 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.720 to oblige. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.600 On January fifteenth, nineteen seventy four, I'm maliciously, intentionally and 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.600 premeditation killed Joseph of Terrell. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.160 Had you planned this beforehand. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:00.760 To some degree? 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:01.080 Yes? 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.280 If forgot in the house that I lost control of it, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.600 But it was, you know, back of my mind. I 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:08.680 had some ideas what I was. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:09.120 Going to do. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:16.040 Raider spared none of the graphic details, shedding not an 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.200 ounce of remorse or betraying any emotion. 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.160 I put a plastic bag over his head, and then 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.960 some cords and fighting it after that. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.000 I did miss this Otero. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.480 I had never strangled anyone before, so I really don't 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:34.840 know how much pressure you had to put on a 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.240 person or how long it take. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:43.520 This went on for forty five minutes straight, Raider going 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:49.600 through each murder, not only admitting to them, but excitedly 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:56.080 explaining his every move. My colleague Glarry Hedeberg was stunned. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.840 The judge asked Dennis Rader to take him through all 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.680 the killings in the courtroom live on TV. That was 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.320 absolutely amazing. And here was Dennis Raider, and he was 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:15.240 like the ringmaster in the center ring, and the spotlight 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.679 was on him, and he was having the time of 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:24.479 his life recounting in detail how he killed ten people. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:31.560 It was extraordinary, unbelievable, really, because he told it in 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.040 the same method that he had talked to me on 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:41.160 the phone, without feeling, without remorse, just very matter of fact. Well, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.480 I tied her up this way, and then I strangled 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.439 her hair, thought about cutting her throat, and it's just 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.560 like somebody talking about picking up their laundry. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.320 Many of the family members present simply couldn't stand to 0:17:54.400 --> 0:18:02.520 listen to this, including Steve Ralford, surviving son a Shirley Vyanne. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.280 Guy that walked out. Everybody fucking followed me. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.119 I didn't want to hear what time to dad say? 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.280 All the other victims families walked out with you, but 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:12.760 you were the first one to get up. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:18.040 Damn great, he said, can they do that? What the 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:18.919 fuck they want to do? 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.040 Why didn't you want to stay in court? 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:23.320 I'm here? 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.600 What he fucking had to say? 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:26.520 What did you want to do? 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:32.920 It's not loud on here, not allowed home? 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:38.240 So you you didn't want to give him the satisfaction 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.600 of Is that why you walked out and everyone else 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:42.920 walked out to do you think? 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:44.080 Pretty much? 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.080 What do you think he was doing that day? 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:48.440 Shelf pity? 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.120 I mean he went on and on about each murder. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:52.240 What do you what do you. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.440 Think he was doing that day? 0:18:55.600 --> 0:19:00.720 Well, I forget what you call it, but glory, find 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.240 money done, and not any fucking remorse. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:09.800 She had this for himself. I won't hear a shit. Oh, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:10.520 I hear none of it. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:18.440 When Rader was done, Judge Waller formally declared the conviction. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.679 I will accept these pleas are guilty, and I judge 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.600 you Dennis L. Raider guilty of murder in the first 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:31.600 degree in count won a Class A felony. 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.760 It was a moment of mixed emotions. On one hand, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.800 it was a triumphant relief Dennis Rader had been found 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:44.359 guilty on all charges. On the other hand, it was 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:49.280 a moment of quiet sadness. The way Rader described his 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:56.360 murders in grave detail left everyone shaken. People shuffled out 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:01.320 of the courtroom silently. It was a bittersweet, even though 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:09.840 justice had prevailed. Following his guilty plea and verdict, Rader 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.719 was sent back to the Sedgua County Detention Center to 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.919 await his sentencing. The date of the sentencing hearing was 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:22.199 set for August eighteenth. Meanwhile, Larry Hadiberg was determined to 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.960 interview him again. You heard about his phone interview with 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.000 Rader at the top of the episode, But this time 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.520 Larry wanted to see him in person. 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.840 And so I asked before he was sent to prison, 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.920 I said, I'd like to talk to you in person. 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:46.399 Is that possible? And I got permission to talk to 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.359 him in person. Didn't have much time, about fifteen minutes 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.800 with him, and I went up with one of the 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:58.760 other anchors from KTV. I was nervous about shaking his hand. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:01.800 When you go up there and talk to him, you 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:06.000 have to do a prison handshake. He's on one side 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.320 of the plexiglass, I'm on the other. He puts his 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.400 hand up here like this. Then I put my hand 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.679 up here like this, and we basically that's a prison 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.960 hand shake. My son in law, guy who married my daughter, 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.399 is a federal agent here in Wichita, and I was 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:22.960 talking to him about this and I said, I don't 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.320 want to do it. I just simply don't want to 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.600 do it. And he looked at me and he said, well, 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.720 how bad do you want the information? If you don't 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.879 shake his hand, he's going to take that as an 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.520 insult and he's going to shut up and not say anything. 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.960 So I reluctantly did it, and I still regret it 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.959 to this day. But we had a conversation, you know, 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.040 and he told me he was looking forward to prison. 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.439 I said, why are you looking forward to prison? And 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.720 he said, I'm going to learn things. You know, how 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.800 to burn a building down, you know how to do this, 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.760 how to do how to commit a crime. He was 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:06.080 really looking forward to it. He was unbelievable in that 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:10.560 he had no soul. He just he didn't care about 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.080 other people, particularly women. 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:16.240 My impression was that after the June twenty seventh theory, 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.520 Raider was feeling pretty good about himself. The way he 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.400 talked about his murders in such a detailed and nonchalant 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.199 manner tells me that he was ready to tell his 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:32.200 story on his terms. Here he was on national TV 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:35.560 with the world watching, and he got to read what 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:40.800 was essentially his manifesto out loud for everyone to hear. 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:45.159 His attitude leaving the courtroom that day appeared to be 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:50.879 one of success. But what Raider wasn't prepared for is 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.840 that he would soon get his due. At the August 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:59.160 eighteenth sentencing hearing, the family members of his victims would 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:04.840 finally get the chance to speak up and address Raider directly. 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:18.800 On August eighteenth, Raiders' sentencing hearing began, The family members 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.360 of the victims would each have a chance to speak, 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:26.120 but first investigators were given the floor to tell their 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:30.280 side of the story and present all the evidence they 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.400 had uncovered the police. 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.240 They wanted everything my dad had done on record. They 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.719 wanted it in public record because most of the details 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:41.520 were not known at that point. Still, like all the 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:46.480 case materials, weapons, times, dates, a lot of that was 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:47.200 not public. 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:51.160 This is Dennis Raider's daughter, Carrie Rawson. 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.000 They wanted it all in the record, so they went 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.320 through all of that. They brought in like the knife, 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:00.960 he youths for Catherine, brought in all of this stuff 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.520 just to put it under the record. They brought in 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:04.280 the polaroids. 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.920 If you remember, Denis Rator at some point took polaroid 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:14.520 pictures of himself where he would dress up in women's 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:19.920 clothing and reenact his murders. The police had confiscated all 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:23.480 of these when they searched the Raider household. 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.520 Now were they trying to humiliate my dad on the stand. 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:26.919 I don't know. 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:32.280 My dad was not expecting that. He was pretty lividly pissed. 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:33.359 How do you react? 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:34.439 Just angry. 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.679 You can see him trying to be under control in 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:41.639 the videos of him just trying to maintain composure of 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:44.000 these guys mocking him in court. 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:45.640 But he's exposed. 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:47.639 Now, he's exposed and known for what he is. 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:53.120 Carrie says that her father was visibly shaken by this 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:56.200 barrage of evidence from the prosecutors. 0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:00.719 He was not expecting that, and he's completely thrown and 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.920 you see him trying to maintain control, and he's trying 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:07.120 to hold those outer protective layers, and he's just sort 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.159 of disintegrating. Mike Us would be inside. You see his 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:14.280 voice change, he clicks his mouth like he's acting like 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:18.159 he's like bored. He's just trying to keep control, and 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:21.679 you can see it. He's almost tearing up. He's so upset, 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.160 he's almost tearing up. And then he's also like really mad. 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.920 Of course, this was also the Raider family's first time 0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:31.960 hearing about Dennis's evil deeds. 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:37.160 My family did not know about the bondage. We didn't 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:39.800 know about my dad and the women's lingerie. We didn't 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.080 know my dad dressed up and victim's clothing and took 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:47.760 polaroids in his parents' basement. Basically, he was recreating Josephino 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.920 Tero's murderer. I didn't know any of that. So I'm 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:54.639