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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we officially are on the

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Speaker 1: road for our training camp tour. I am Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 1: here with my friend Jordan Rodrigue and my other friend

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Speaker 1: JB Long, the voice of the Los Angeles Rams. We

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Speaker 1: just saw JB walking around we said we we got

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Speaker 1: to get him.

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Speaker 2: On the show.

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Speaker 3: Also my friend No, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean that's important, but not as important. Welcome, JB.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate both of your friendship and your appearance. A

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Speaker 4: couple of g's over there and you and Jordan. I've

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Speaker 4: been living vicariously through your world travels and your culinary

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Speaker 4: experiences and your book recommendations. So thank you for my

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Speaker 4: off season turning deep cuts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Yeah, anyone wanting a book recommendation.

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Speaker 1: The Safe Keep is now up there as my top

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Speaker 1: book of the year.

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Speaker 5: By the way, one thing I love about JB is

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Speaker 5: he doesn't just do He's like the nicest person you'll

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Speaker 5: ever meet in your life. He doesn't just do normal complements.

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Speaker 5: He does deep cut, very specific compliments that make you

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Speaker 5: feel incredibly seen.

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Speaker 2: It shows.

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Speaker 1: It shows that he's actually the work to be friends

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Speaker 1: with me disclosure and.

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Speaker 3: Also with me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys said that I could have a fifty

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Speaker 4: pack of fresh NFL Daily Index cards if I just

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Speaker 2: They are they are segments, and we're going to be

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Speaker 2: using them.

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Speaker 1: When I say we're on a tour, it's one show

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Speaker 1: a week where we're on the road all the teams

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Speaker 1: that are in the Los Angeles area except for the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: because we know you guys hate the Chargers. So we

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Speaker 1: got the Saints next week, and we got the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, So looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: This show, we're going to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the NFC West. Overall, we're going to have some great

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Speaker 1: guests that are with the Rams. Less Snead will be

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Speaker 1: joining us, the general manager of the Rams, the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator Mike LeFleur, and cornerback Darius Williams. Looking forward to

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Speaker 1: all that, And before we get to the NFC West talk,

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Speaker 1: just because I like to just make sure that the

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Speaker 1: listeners are totally covered, a couple little items of news

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Speaker 1: we'll hit before we talk to NFC West.

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Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton got that money today. We'll see what the

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Speaker 2: details are.

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Speaker 1: The devil's in the details, but some guaranteed money into

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Speaker 1: next year, so that's great that he'll be staying with Denver.

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Speaker 2: There's more on the Christian Wilkins front. That was reportedly

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Speaker 2: a kiss on the head that started this whole kerfuffle.

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I think there's more to the story there, but the

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Speaker 1: Raiders are coming after Christian Wilkins's money. The Titans waived

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Speaker 1: Traylon Burks, and I'm not going to get too much

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Speaker 1: more into it because we're going to go through every

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Speaker 1: NFC team on Tuesday, and if there's anything big from

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Speaker 1: the AFC, we'll hit that. Let's talk NFC West. I'm

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Speaker 1: I think this and then NFC North are the two

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Speaker 1: for me, I could see any team winning the division,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's incumbent on the first part of that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think JB the Rams are the favorites in

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Speaker 4: Wow, there's a lot of loaded elements to all of that.

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Speaker 4: I like that you put it side by side with

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Speaker 4: say the argument for the West is probably the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you were to power rank the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: So you think there's a big difference, then, so who

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Speaker 4: I think the Rams and the forty nine ers. Okay,

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Speaker 4: And to land on the question, are the Rams the favorite?

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Speaker 4: Las Vegas I said, I think says no. I think

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Speaker 4: what's reflected there is if everyone is in agreement that

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Speaker 4: the margins where the Rams, by virtue of finishing first

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Speaker 2: And the Bears.

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Speaker 1: It makes a huge difference. But to touch on something

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Speaker 1: there a separation do you think between those two and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think you still have to make the

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Speaker 5: with everything they did in either free agency or the

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Speaker 5: It was a team that has very few pieces of

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Speaker 5: Sean McVay really wanted to add to his offense for

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Speaker 5: the President in the future in Terence Ferguson, the running

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Speaker 5: it really feels like that's a team that knows what

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Speaker 5: also posit that these two teams, the Rams and the

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Speaker 5: This is a really, really strong identity up north and

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Speaker 5: that's why this is such a chaotic space totally.

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Speaker 4: I think you and I were both probably a year

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Speaker 3: That's a good friend right there.

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Speaker 2: And look no.

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Speaker 4: Further than how they played the Rams, because you were

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Speaker 4: at both of those games. Week two was not good

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Speaker 4: who knows, we could be telling a completely different story

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Speaker 4: like under this leadership group, they're a year away. I

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Speaker 4: they are playoff worthy. And I'll say one more time,

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Speaker 4: the Rams better win their head to head games against

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Speaker 4: not sure who else is going to and if they,

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Speaker 4: if the forty nine ers don't win ten games, I'll

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Speaker 4: have a Barnes and Noble gift card waiting for them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, another reason to root against forty nine ers. I

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Speaker 1: didn't really have any before, but now I definite.

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Speaker 6: There you go.

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Speaker 2: I can be bought.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's what Greg needs. More books, very very easily.

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Speaker 4: Are this Barnes and Almost still a thing?

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, newspapers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so wonderful they're coming back. It's been great. I

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Speaker 2: guess I look at the Seahawks as the.

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Speaker 5: Now, I think by the end of this season, more

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Speaker 5: But the Cardinals defense has dramatically improved from when Jonathan

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Speaker 5: alone the NFC West. The Rams defense is so much fun,

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Speaker 5: as you know, JB and and they are, they could.

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Speaker 1: Have just like paid them three or four million dollars

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Speaker 5: So yes, they could have, but it's not always their

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Speaker 5: and I love what Seattle's done on defense. I think

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Speaker 4: Size alert, but I think from the rams lens, you

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Speaker 4: that did not go Sam Donald's way last January.

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Speaker 4: There aren't many shows that can make me feel imposter

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Speaker 4: I'll be very curious to see how the Rams deploy

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Speaker 2: I think it fits.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it's great. Sorry, it's great.

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Speaker 1: I love that point, and they have the second round

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Speaker 1: I think they are the most likely NFC West team

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Speaker 1: But I just think the range of outcomes is a

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Speaker 1: It is hope season. It is beautiful out here. You

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Speaker 1: Yes, I know you literally walked here. If you do

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Speaker 1: less sneed On the other side, we are back on

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Speaker 7: No where all the answers are.

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Speaker 1: What if you had written something on that note card?

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Speaker 1: What would it say to be prepared for an interview

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Speaker 7: Let tell them nothing.

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Speaker 2: That's good?

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Speaker 8: So that that's one of the keys is making sure

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Speaker 8: there's a lot of people not only that bring an

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Speaker 8: edge to the RAMS, but are willing to at some

445
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Speaker 8: level along the way sacrifice for the good of the

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Speaker 8: Los Angeles Rams.

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Speaker 5: We were just at some we were talking to Darius

448
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Speaker 5: Williams and he was reiterating some of our opinion that

449
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Speaker 5: you guys told the league and told the fans, told

450
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Speaker 5: us in the media kind of what you were and

451
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Speaker 5: what you planned to be this offseason with some of

452
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Speaker 5: the moves you made in free agency Punaford, Devonte Adams,

453
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Speaker 5: the draft, the way you drafted, drafting for depth and

454
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Speaker 5: key areas, drafting for a change up, a little bit

455
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Speaker 5: of a change up skill set in other areas, drafting

456
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Speaker 5: and plucking te bring people in in free agency as

457
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Speaker 5: if you're a contention team, believe you're a contention team.

458
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Speaker 5: But it started with making sure Matthew Stafford was back

459
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Speaker 5: in the building. And you called it a vow renewal.

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Speaker 3: Which I think was the quote that lasts from it.

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Speaker 3: What did that set off.

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Speaker 5: In terms of the ripple effect for going about maybe

463
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Speaker 5: your A plus plan in free agency and then the

464
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Speaker 5: draft and when will we see him throw you'd like

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Speaker 5: I do that in there at the end.

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Speaker 8: I like that that Tom hotail. When we see him

467
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Speaker 8: throw it, you can tell he's chomping at the bid.

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Speaker 8: I was joking with him today as he was at practice,

469
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Speaker 8: and there has been some times where standing around a

470
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Speaker 8: practice can be a little bit of a net negative.

471
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Speaker 8: Your hamstrings get tight, but he's he's you can tell

472
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Speaker 8: he's antsy, he wants to get out. The key is

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Speaker 8: is when we renewed our vowels, we then knew okay,

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Speaker 8: we as as you mentioned, you call it contenders. There's

475
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Speaker 8: a there's an element of what window you in the

476
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Speaker 8: last few years as we've remodeled this thing back when

477
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Speaker 8: you were covering us as a beat writer and since

478
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Speaker 8: you've moved on to the big time, so we were

479
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Speaker 8: on a zoom and they were like you were rebuilding

480
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Speaker 8: I'm like, this is a remodel. We got Matthew Stafford

481
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Speaker 8: and they're like, no, you're rebuilding, And you know, I

482
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Speaker 8: was trying to you know, but they weren't.

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Speaker 7: They weren't.

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Speaker 8: I say they are writers because so we had fun

485
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Speaker 8: talking about that. The point I'm trying to make is

486
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Speaker 8: we have efficacy in that in both years we've started

487
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Speaker 8: in a hole, both years we've got out of that hole.

488
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Speaker 8: One year we've made the playoffs. One year we've won

489
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Speaker 8: the division. So there's an f Now again, that means nothing.

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Speaker 8: All that does is show that the core we have

491
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Speaker 8: knows they can go compete for a division.

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Speaker 7: It means nothing in.

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Speaker 8: Twenty twenty five because we haven't kicked off yet, we

494
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Speaker 8: hadn't played a game yet, We aren't who we are

495
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Speaker 8: going to do yet. But when Matthew came back and

496
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Speaker 8: we said, you know what, hey, let's try to go

497
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Speaker 8: do something special whatever that is. Again we're going to

498
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Speaker 8: take a moment moment, day to day, and then that

499
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Speaker 8: just again sets the blueprint of what you might do

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Speaker 8: next to add fill in holes whatever you want to

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Speaker 8: call it.

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Speaker 7: In our continuing of the remodel.

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Speaker 1: To that, like when did DeVante come on your radar?

504
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Speaker 1: Is that something where your pro personnel department already thinking

505
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Speaker 1: he's possibly gone available or looking at him during the

506
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Speaker 1: season and or what point in the off season are

507
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Speaker 1: you thinking like we can maybe get this Yeah, I think,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 8: Again, they were going through a regime change in New York,

510
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Speaker 8: the Jets their newest contract situation, So there's an element

511
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Speaker 8: of this person might or has a chance to come

512
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Speaker 8: available depending on what they do there, and again maybe

513
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Speaker 8: what they do with the with their let's call it

514
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Speaker 8: what a reimagining.

515
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Speaker 7: Of their regime there.

516
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Speaker 8: So you always prepare, but until he's free, or until

517
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Speaker 8: it's communicated he is going to be free, that's when

518
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Speaker 8: you go, you know what, there's an opportunity here that's

519
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Speaker 8: presented itself, and do we want to take advantage of it.

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Speaker 5: Le's one of the themes of just not only the

521
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Speaker 5: football side, but also the scout scouting, a talent identification sides.

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Speaker 5: Over the past couple of years in this building has

523
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Speaker 5: been sort of this fluidity or able to shape shift,

524
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Speaker 5: able to evolve as the league evolves and changes and

525
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Speaker 5: challenge challenges you guys in certain ways. In both of

526
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Speaker 5: those areas, what do you think it is about that

527
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Speaker 5: sort of collective personality, like where does that come from?

528
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Speaker 5: I know you have it and Sean has it, but

529
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Speaker 5: how does it really kind of permeate? How do you

530
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Speaker 5: guys effectively get everybody to be of that.

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Speaker 8: Really good question. I'm not sure it's interesting when you

532
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Speaker 8: are who you are, you don't. I think it's as

533
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Speaker 8: simple as this, and a lot of teams try to

534
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Speaker 8: do it.

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Speaker 6: We try.

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Speaker 8: I call it if you're we've all seen it in

537
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Speaker 8: the NFL, whether it's a certain player or concept. Some

538
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Speaker 8: team's going to present it for the first time and

539
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Speaker 8: there's going to be an element. A lot of teams

540
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Speaker 8: are copying that, and if you're copying it, you're already behind.

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Speaker 8: But that concept can live for a little bit. But

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Speaker 8: even on the course of eighteen week seventeen game season,

543
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Speaker 8: if that concept is really punishing opponents, people are going

544
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Speaker 8: to try to, let's call it, suffocate that concept. So

545
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Speaker 8: you're always just naturally in a thirty two team lead

546
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Speaker 8: where the margin of victory and marginal loss is not

547
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Speaker 8: a lot of points. So it's just in your DNA

548
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Speaker 8: if you get in this that okay, we have to

549
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Speaker 8: somehow attempt to stay ahead of the curve. And the

550
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Speaker 8: interesting thing is you're not sure when you try to

551
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Speaker 8: stay ahead whether it's going to work or not, but

552
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Speaker 8: you do know staying pat and doing the same thing

553
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Speaker 8: is probably going eventually if we were going to catch up

554
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Speaker 8: with the improbably passionate.

555
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Speaker 1: Jordan actually went back and listened to the old interviews

556
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Speaker 1: who had done on our old podcast before, and it

557
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Speaker 1: got me thinking on the way here too, is there

558
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Speaker 1: such a thing as watching too much tape? Because to me,

559
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Speaker 1: that's that's too much preparation. She doesn't need to go

560
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Speaker 1: listen to the old interviews. She knows you, she knows

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Speaker 1: the rams, Like, what is that? Is there such a

562
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Speaker 1: thing in your business watching too much tape at a

563
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Speaker 1: certain point?

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Speaker 8: Is it?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 8: Probably is an element of paralysis by analysis. I think

567
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Speaker 8: we were having our kind of front office get together

568
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Speaker 8: before we all disperse, or a lot of our guys

569
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Speaker 8: dispersed to go do their thing preparing for the draft

570
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Speaker 8: or or in the pro scoutting department. But at the

571
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Speaker 8: end of the day we did joke though that kind

572
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Speaker 8: of toward the end there when you get into the playoffs,

573
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Speaker 8: and it could be it could be Oregon versus Ohio State,

574
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Speaker 8: and because that game was recent and it was a

575
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Speaker 8: big game and there's a lot of players in it,

576
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Speaker 8: you end up thinking, like, boy, we watched a lot

577
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Speaker 8: of tape, but really it was the Oregon House State

578
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Speaker 8: game a thousand times, or I remember the year before

579
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Speaker 8: Michigan Washington, Washington, Texas, those final four games. Because it's

580
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Speaker 8: when you get everybody involved, it's like, oh, we want

581
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Speaker 8: to go to we just saw that game on Television's

582
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Speaker 8: good and usually there's a lot of players on it.

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Speaker 7: So the answer to your question is preparation is key.

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Speaker 8: There is an element where okay, just just you know,

585
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Speaker 8: put the clicker down, make a decision.

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Speaker 1: It was a gettled yeah, and then direct way. It

587
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Speaker 1: just for me to like take a little shot at Jordan.

588
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Speaker 1: But I think you she's probably very well following what

589
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Speaker 1: it says on that note card that you just threw down.

590
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Speaker 7: You got to throw it down and then you just

591
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Speaker 7: gotta go.

592
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Speaker 1: It was very entertaining, but you gave away nothing talking

593
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Speaker 1: about the draft. It did make me think about your guys' situation.

594
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Speaker 7: What if I took your card.

595
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Speaker 3: It's fine, take it, do it.

596
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Speaker 1: No, there's nothing bad on there, but no I is

597
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Speaker 1: there a little feeling of you that's going to feel

598
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Speaker 1: bad this year rooting again your old friends Raheem Morris

599
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Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Falcons because you have this extra first

600
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Speaker 1: round pick. And let's be real if that pick, the

601
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Speaker 1: higher it is, the better it is for Los Angeles

602
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Speaker 1: Rams And and will that possibly change, like how you're

603
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Speaker 1: evaluating this draft in general and business business And yes,

604
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Speaker 1: so you won't feel bad rooting business business.

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Speaker 7: I didn't tell you whether i'd feel.

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Speaker 2: Bad or yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think we could discern the answer

608
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Speaker 5: based on your facial expression. I will say a couple

609
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Speaker 5: of people you might have to be rooting against, whether

610
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Speaker 5: it's during the season or in the draft. You got

611
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Speaker 5: a bit of a GM tree, an executive tree at

612
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Speaker 5: this point.

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Speaker 3: Brad Holmes in Detroit.

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Speaker 5: What I think is so cool is how he and

615
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Speaker 5: Dan Campbell built that team together very methodically, sort of

616
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Speaker 5: into a crescendo that it is now. And then James

617
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Speaker 5: Gladstone in Jacksonville for the first time friend of.

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Speaker 3: The show been on the show.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're welcome, You're always welcome to come on.

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Speaker 8: We could go back that Jordan. James is Jordan's favorite.

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Speaker 3: I have no favorites.

622
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Speaker 2: I have no.

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Speaker 8: Favorite in the in the pulling, like are we gonna

624
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Speaker 8: pull against right when we go to London?

625
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Speaker 3: Business is business, like I want.

626
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Speaker 7: We want to punch James. Jordan's pulling for James.

627
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Speaker 3: Business is business.

628
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Speaker 7: You know what, I'm gonna go there, You get a

629
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Speaker 7: lot the hurt. Probably one of the toughest things to

630
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Speaker 7: do in sports. It's it's go somewhere and engineer and identity.

631
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Speaker 8: Now they're just starting in Jacksonville, but going to brad

632
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Speaker 8: and and his partnership with Dan and again everyone else

633
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Speaker 8: who's been through there and now they have two head coaches,

634
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Speaker 8: you know, and band and air and uh in Chicago

635
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Speaker 8: and New York. But to go and do that, that's

636
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 8: easier said than done. Give them credit because now you

637
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Speaker 8: it just fills Detroit what they've done, right, I don't know.

638
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Speaker 8: I don't know if we could, I could maybe chat,

639
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Speaker 8: GPT could articulate it, but it fails.

640
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Speaker 3: We're very anti anti, very anti.

641
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Speaker 2: To the show. We've decided to take that stance.

642
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Speaker 5: I don't know how our stand that, but I will

643
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Speaker 5: I will ask, I will say less. It is interesting

644
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Speaker 5: because everybody does it in a different way, and I

645
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Speaker 5: guess I wonder as we kind of get you out

646
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Speaker 5: of here and thank you for your time today, what's

647
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Speaker 5: one thing maybe you told them about that, not not

648
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Speaker 5: the team building, not the pitfalls, not the things to

649
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Speaker 5: look out for, you know, not the doing the media

650
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Speaker 5: all the time, whatever, that the advice that maybe you

651
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Speaker 5: gave each of each of them, respectively about what it

652
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Speaker 5: takes and what it really means to build an identity

653
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Speaker 5: because you and Sean did that when you guys went

654
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Speaker 5: out and hired Sean.

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Speaker 8: It's interesting. The number one is be go, be authentic,

656
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Speaker 8: be who you are. Again, in both cases, you're going

657
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Speaker 8: to partner with a with a head coach who's going

658
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Speaker 8: to bring it all the life or that is his

659
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Speaker 8: and his staffs responsibility to bring it life. So that

660
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Speaker 8: part maartnership has to begin and then and then they

661
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Speaker 8: have to combine the DNA's and engineer.

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Speaker 7: That's number one.

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Speaker 8: You can't take the RAMS and take it somewhere else

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Speaker 8: because because Sean and my party we're and everyone in

665
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Speaker 8: the building we're nine to ten however many years into it,

666
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Speaker 8: so there you can't go and do what we're doing now.

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Speaker 7: They're day one. That takes time. So that's that's the

668
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Speaker 7: two thing.

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Speaker 8: Be who you are partner with, Uh right, your head coach,

670
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Speaker 8: y'all come up with who y'all are going to be

671
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Speaker 8: that organization is going to be under their leadership.

672
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Speaker 7: And then number two remember just don't you can't just

673
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Speaker 7: take us there?

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Speaker 1: And number three like, don't you can't beat us in

675
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Speaker 1: London because that would That feels like already you're the

676
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Speaker 1: one that brought it up. It feels like you're competitive.

677
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: You're competitive just over trying to be Jordan's favorite. No

678
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: way you want to lose to.

679
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'd lose some sleep.

680
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 5: Paralysis by over analysis.

681
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Speaker 2: That is less.

682
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Speaker 1: The general manager of the Los Angeles Rams, we really

683
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Speaker 1: do appreciate your time, and we're going to have your

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, smart man by the name Mike Lafleur, coming

685
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Speaker 1: up next.

686
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Speaker 3: So I'm on a card.

687
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Speaker 7: He was on a card.

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Speaker 1: Here with Mike Lafleur, the third year offensive coordinator of

689
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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams, fixing the mic before he says

690
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: he's he's coachable, so we will learn on this interview.

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Speaker 1: It is great to have you on the show. And

692
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Speaker 1: I'm looking out as you guys are going through you

693
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Speaker 1: walk through, and I'm thinking, what is it like to

694
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Speaker 1: be in your position and to be coaching DeVante, Adams

695
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: and Pukinakua at the same time, And how are you

696
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Speaker 1: looking to kind of make them the best that they

697
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Speaker 1: can be together?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think I have too much to do

699
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Speaker 9: in that in terms of making them the best they

700
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 9: can be, right because those guys are you know, self

701
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 9: motivated and they just love being out there. They're incredible

702
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Speaker 9: football players. But is uh it's cool to have those

703
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 9: guys out there and with two to two, I mean

704
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 9: those three right there, I think they play so well

705
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Speaker 9: off each other in terms of what their skill sets are,

706
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Speaker 9: and I know our quarterbacks like to have them.

707
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Speaker 5: Mike, You've coached so many receivers, so many different types

708
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: of receivers. I know you like to learn just as

709
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 5: much as you.

710
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: Like to coach.

711
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Speaker 5: What is Davante done through his movements, his actions, the

712
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 5: way he's interacted with Puka, the way that he just

713
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: operates from start to finish up a practice and preparation.

714
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Speaker 5: What have you kind of learned from him and how.

715
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Speaker 9: He likes to be Yeah, I think you know, I've

716
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 9: been fortunate enough to be around a lot of really

717
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 9: good receivers and you know, dating back with Julio and

718
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 9: Miles Austin twenty fourteen, and there's so many great receivers

719
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Speaker 9: in this league. But being able to see all these

720
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Speaker 9: different guys and now to be with Davante obviously had

721
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Speaker 9: a semi history with them because obviously paying attention to

722
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Speaker 9: him in Green Bay and always thought he was one

723
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Speaker 9: of the best, if not the best receivers. And what

724
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Speaker 9: I've learned at you know, north of thirty now is

725
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Speaker 9: the Duke can still play, you know, And what's really

726
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Speaker 9: cool about him and what I see from in my opinion,

727
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Speaker 9: the best receivers is just the consistency and how they

728
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Speaker 9: approach the day to day. You know, how he approaches

729
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Speaker 9: the meetings, you know what questions he's asking, how he's

730
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Speaker 9: helping the younger guys. I'm sure that's what he was

731
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Speaker 9: getting from guys like Randall Cobb and stuff when he

732
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Speaker 9: first got in. So it's just been a pleasure to

733
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Speaker 9: have him. He's such a fun dude to work with.

734
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Speaker 9: I know he is in a really good place mentally physically,

735
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Speaker 9: and you know, we're happy to have him.

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Speaker 1: I think about your role as the offensive coordinator. Of course,

737
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: listeners will know Sean McVay. He calls the plays here.

738
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Speaker 1: But I think about how this rams like offense changes

739
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: so much over the years, and I was thinking from

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Speaker 1: your perspective as a coordinator, maybe explain to listeners like

741
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: the coordinator's role in the off season starting to build

742
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: those changes and how that all works.

743
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's, first of all, it's all collaborative

744
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 9: all the time, right. Seawan's awesome with that in terms

745
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 9: of just delegate and responsibility not just to the coordinator

746
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 9: but obviously the position coaches in the whole building for

747
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 9: that matter. So you know, as a coordinator, non play caller,

748
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 9: all you're trying to do is make Sean's shot up easier.

749
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 9: And because it's already hard enough, right with having to

750
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 9: be the head coach and be you know, the face

751
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 9: of this organization and in charge of so many different

752
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 9: things that come across his desk, comes across my desk

753
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 9: as football stuff, schematic stuff, right, And I got the

754
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 9: relationship with those offensive guys well, smaller amount of responsibilities

755
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 9: than what he has, So you just always try to

756
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 9: stay ahead of him, making sure that he has what

757
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 9: he needs when he needs it, whether it be cutups,

758
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 9: whether it be studies, whether it be write ups, you know,

759
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 9: and just go. And what I always like to tell

760
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 9: him is, if you don't come in tomorrow, the show

761
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 9: would go on.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 9: That's what I feel like My responsibility is to make

764
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 9: sure that we're ready to go at all times, no

765
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Speaker 9: matter what Sean has going on.

766
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Speaker 5: Okay, like you do say it so casually, but staying

767
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 5: ahead of that maniac pace wise, I mean you have

768
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Speaker 5: to be wired a little strangely up there and you're

769
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 5: nogging there, Mike, to be able to stay ahead and

770
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Speaker 5: make sure that he has basically your lead blocking for

771
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Speaker 5: all of the all the things that he has to do,

772
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 5: the notes that he needs, the install, the cut out,

773
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 5: all the things that you guys are going to build

774
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 5: and create. You have to also be one step ahead

775
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 5: of the person who is ahead of most other teams

776
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Speaker 5: in this league. Are you okay? First of all, do

777
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 5: you slip?

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Speaker 3: Are you well?

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Speaker 9: I do you know he's he's obviously, I mean, if

780
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 9: there's a twenty fifth hour in the day, he's going

781
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 9: to find that that hour. But no, you know, I mean,

782
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 9: I think going into year three, it's it's the familiarity

783
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 9: with the organization, with working with him, with working with

784
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Speaker 9: you know, Ryan Windellar, offensive line coach for the third year,

785
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 9: with working with Stafford. So I mean, you just get

786
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 9: used to, you know, the way things are ran. And obviously,

787
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 9: you know, again having history with Sean via my brother

788
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 9: and then just knowing him, you knew what you're getting

789
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 9: yourself into in a good way. But it's not as

790
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 9: crazy as you think. I mean this he's he finds

791
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 9: his time, especially now that he's got little Jordan at

792
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 9: home and stuff like that. He's if it's not football,

793
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 9: he's with his family, and in the offseason he's got

794
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 9: his family by him all the time.

795
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Speaker 3: He's also got your chair wired.

796
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Speaker 5: So you know, if you didn't say that it wasn't

797
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 5: as bad that I think is, then maybe your chair

798
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: just blows up all of a sudden.

799
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Speaker 9: You know, you'd rather have it that way.

800
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 5: You guys have changed this offense almost I mean really

801
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 5: since you got here, you guys have been able to

802
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 5: change this offense every single season. I expect some changes

803
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: going into the twenty twenty five season as well. You

804
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 5: could really see that near the end with what you

805
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: all were trying to do schematically. My constant question with

806
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 5: teams to innovate is how do you know when it's

807
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 5: time to pivot? How do you know when it's time

808
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 5: to not just adjust the small things, but really start

809
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 5: to make the rip effects toward the philosophical shifts going

810
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 5: from the wide zone to the gap scheme when you

811
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: came in, and then also doing different layers in the

812
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 5: route combinations now that you guys will be doing with

813
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 5: Puka and Davonte and Tou tou. How do you know

814
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 5: when it's time to move to that thing?

815
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Speaker 9: Well, one, I think the last part of what you

816
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 9: just said is so vital, right, Like it's still always

817
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 9: going to come down to our players. We have a

818
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 9: different set of players this year, like two two knows

819
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 9: exactly and not that he didn't know what his role was,

820
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 9: but too to a starter. You know, he's going into

821
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 9: this thing and obviously got pookin TA so you always started.

822
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 9: There's a foundation, no doubt, within all our offenses, and

823
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 9: then you build it around the skill set of these guys.

824
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 9: Like what we're going to do with Aay is just

825
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 9: going to be different than what we've done with you

826
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 9: know in years past. I'm talking anywhere we've been, you know,

827
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Speaker 9: whether it be you know, New York or San Francisco, whatever,

828
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 9: So it'll always start with them. And then to answer

829
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 9: the kind of the question in terms of when it

830
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 9: is time, you know, you just I don't. There's it

831
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 9: just naturally organically starts to happen, right like you know,

832
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 9: what you put on tape, you study yourself so much.

833
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 9: You pair it with what you're seeing from the defense.

834
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 9: Some of it you feel like you have a good

835
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 9: idea going into. Other times you're like, I don't know,

836
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 9: I think this is what they're going to do. But

837
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 9: so much of this thing is you know this the

838
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 9: defenses around the league now like I don't know what

839
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 9: coverage are in half the time they're showing shell they

840
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 9: got so many different like you've cut a split, you know,

841
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 9: or you're outside the numbers. That can change so many

842
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 9: things even though it's just one call. So what does

843
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 9: that mean from an offense perspective? If given these guys

844
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 9: and talking quarterbacks, but the whole offense universal plays that

845
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 9: are just you know, can you pick a coverage? We're

846
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 9: going to be all right, there's going to be an

847
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 9: outlet to it. So you know, I think it just

848
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 9: kind of all goes hand in hand, but it'll always

849
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 9: start with the players.

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Speaker 2: How often is that in season too?

851
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Speaker 1: Because when I think about what I'd like to know,

852
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: what I think fans would like to know of, like

853
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: what you're doing building the game plan from week to week.

854
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: To Jordan's question, how how often is it that you

855
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: know fans think like, oh, they made their adjustments in

856
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: the offseason and they've solved this thing. Like how do

857
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: you know within the season what you're seeing on tape

858
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: to like start building different aspects?

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00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you know when you start back up

860
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 9: and say February, and you're building this thing before the

861
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 9: players get there, and then you start working in OTAs

862
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 9: and what I like to call flag football because obviously

863
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 9: you know it's it's different than having the actual pads on.

864
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 9: But you give yourself enough of a menu right to

865
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 9: be able to attack all the different coverages and structures

866
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 9: you're seeing from the defense, again tying it to what

867
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 9: your players can do best. So you know, if you

868
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 9: give yourself that menu, not trying to be the jack

869
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 9: of all trades, master and none, but enough that you are,

870
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Speaker 9: you know, diverse enough to attack all these different coverages

871
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Speaker 9: in front structures. Then you just kind of piece it

872
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 9: together and I just think, again, organically, it just kind

873
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 9: of starts like what are we doing best in and why?

874
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 9: And then you you know, try to pivot off of that,

875
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 9: plays off of plays, doing a lot of the same

876
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 9: plays and same concept but just dressing them up the

877
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 9: illusion of complexity. So again, I think it's just you

878
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 9: just living at week to week and by the end

879
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 9: of the year like, wow, I forgot we were even

880
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 9: doing that in week two, and it's kind of out

881
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 9: of sight, out of mind now.

882
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: You know, What's something about Matthew Stafford. You came here

883
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: now a couple of seasons ago that maybe you wouldn't

884
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: have known about him, but before you got a chance

885
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: to work with him every day.

886
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: How much time you got, Oh, how.

887
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: Much time do you have? As long as you long

888
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: we get.

889
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: Golf game, we can talk about whatever. Chase Chase.

890
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 9: Chase looks busy right now, so I'm waiting for the

891
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 9: finger to come comeing off. You know, I've always always

892
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 9: really respected his game from Afar, from Michigan, So you

893
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 9: always just kind of always paid attention to Detroit because

894
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 9: that's what you grew up with and shoot when he

895
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 9: got when he got drafted, I was, you know, in

896
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 9: college as well, so you're paying attention to it. And

897
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 9: what always stuck out was the toughness. Obviously the talent,

898
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 9: Like I mean, this guy was five star, followed through

899
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 9: with it in college, number one pick and look at

900
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 9: what he's done in his professional career going into his

901
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 9: thirty seventh year or whatever it is, seventeenth. But so

902
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 9: all that talent stuff, all that the toughness is, but

903
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 9: like what a good dude, Like, it's he's just a

904
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 9: guys guy. He's an awesome dad to the four girls

905
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 9: and awesome husband Kelly. So he's just he's just a

906
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 9: cool dude. You just root for him, you love working

907
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 9: for him, because I don't, Like I don't, I'm not

908
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 9: as like I just worked for him. Like whatever we

909
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 9: can do to make his job's hard enough and whatever

910
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 9: we can do to make it as easy as possible

911
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 9: for him, that's.

912
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 7: What you do.

913
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 5: That's a cool mindset too, Mike, as a coach, to

914
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 5: have as you're serving the players. One thing that I

915
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 5: don't think people know enough about with Matthew is he's

916
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 5: actually quietly, very funny. He's the dry sense of humor.

917
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 5: That's something I almost want to wish I could be

918
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 5: a fly in the wall in the rooms, because Sean

919
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 5: doesn't strike me as a dry funny person.

920
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: He's like but kind of person.

921
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 5: But Matthew's like very one liner, sneaky kind of cut,

922
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 5: like little cutting dry sense of humor. And I'm kind

923
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 5: of curious what your take. Did you sit back at first?

924
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 5: Did you jump in?

925
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 9: No, there's uh, there's no doubt about it. Sean, Sean

926
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 9: likes his jokes. You know, he's got He's got him

927
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 9: and Higbee they got they got a whole book full

928
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 9: of jokes that can come out at any time. But

929
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 9: you're right about Matthew. I think that's it's really smart. Yeah,

930
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 9: not just on the field of the ball snap, but

931
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 9: like he's got a lot, like he's so smart that

932
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 9: he like he doesn't even show it on people because

933
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 9: he just he he has a lot of life skills

934
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 9: in street smarts that uh, unless you knew him, you

935
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 9: probably wouldn't know that.

936
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: So my brother he conducts like experimental classical music, that's

937
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: what he writes.

938
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm in sports.

939
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: And my sister is a marine biologist.

940
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: I was gonna throw that out there, and so I'm

941
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: way better my brother. I was thinking too.

942
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: I was thinking, though you mentioned your brother a couple

943
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: of times, you ever just kind of wish he was

944
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: like an engineer that's in the crowd at training camp

945
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's gonna be so cool. I'm gonna

946
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: bring my kids and you're gonna meet like my cool

947
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: bro Mike. That's like the coordinator. How cool is that?

948
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: Does it ever kind of annoy you that you guys

949
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: are doing.

950
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: The same thing.

951
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 9: I mean, he's somewhat of an like engineer conductor. He's

952
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 9: always trying to get the fans all up at Lambeau.

953
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.

954
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 9: So no, but no, I I I'm so happy for

955
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 9: him and proud proud of him. You know, obviously on

956
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 9: a Sunday, I want the La Rams to win more

957
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 9: than anyone else. But I always have a close eye

958
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 9: on what's going on in Green Bay. You know, he's

959
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 9: I'm his biggest fan, and i'd like to he's my

960
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 9: biggest fan, and you know, we support each other and

961
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 9: it's it's just him and I and.

962
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: So he's he's losing the overall battle to you and

963
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 5: injuries suffered weightlifting kind of overshooting, Yes, overshooting his boundaries there.

964
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, we got a torn pack, we got an achilles.

965
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 9: There's countless if you ever up in San Francisco, asked

966
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 9: Kyle about all the rehab you'd have to do my brother.

967
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 9: So I get mad at Love and all them in

968
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 9: our staff because we always do all these like warm up.

969
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 9: Actually we don't get into the weight training until like

970
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 9: twenty minutes in, and it's because he doesn't want me

971
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 9: to tear an achilles or a peck, which I appreciate.

972
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, your brother Matt is at the forefront of like

973
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: the coaches are a little two jack these days.

974
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: It makes me like uncomfortable.

975
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 9: He's not jacks.

976
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: It's a good shape. He's a good shape.

977
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: It's like I liked it when the coaches where they

978
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: looked one way in August and then they had totally

979
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: fallen apart by like November December. Those are my kind

980
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: of coaches. Appreciate all the time that you've given us.

981
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Mike Lafleur, good luck to you this season. Offensive coordinator

982
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: welcoming in Darius Williams, cornerback of the Los Angeles Rams,

983
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: a veteran who's been through a few training camps. Now

984
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: in the second time around with the Los Angeles Rams

985
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: just got off the field from his first day in

986
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: pads and had a little star moment there with the

987
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: past deflection at the end.

988
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, sir, Yes.

989
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: Sir, you know you had to end it on your terms,

990
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 5: you know.

991
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, feels good to be back on the grass.

992
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: I was told by my son Walker to let you

993
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: know immediately, he's you're his favorite player to use in Madden.

994
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: Are you aware that like you you bring it in

995
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: Madden in the in the secondary triangle, like making a

996
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: lot of picks.

997
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 2: He he loves playing as Darius holl Oh No.

998
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 6: That's cool.

999
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 10: So I haven't played Madden since I got to the league.

1000
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 10: I told myself, if I could play a video game,

1001
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 10: I probably am gonna blow into the playboot. So I

1002
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 10: probably need to focus more on the playboot.

1003
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: Oh that's amazing. Yeah, I was.

1004
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 5: He was facetiming with Walker right before we got in

1005
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 5: to our show planning today when he told him that

1006
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 5: you were going to come on with us. Oh my gosh.

1007
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 5: I was on the other side. I heard his yelling

1008
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 5: of excitement, and I was like, oh my god.

1009
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: He said Darius Williams my favorite player.

1010
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: I was like, he's also my favorite play So so

1011
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 5: glad you're here with us today, Darius.

1012
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: Obviously it's the first day of real football out here.

1013
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 5: You guys have been at camp for a while ramp

1014
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 5: up period, but you've also watched DeVante Adams, your new teammate,

1015
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 5: for years in the league, and you've watched him with

1016
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 5: his craft and when you are studying him, what does

1017
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 5: it also spark creatively for you of different new things.

1018
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 5: You have all the tools at this point, but does

1019
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 5: he spark anything creatively for you?

1020
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1021
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 10: I mean we even talked about it on the bus

1022
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 10: going to Maui for our mini camp, just chopping it

1023
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 10: up on releases and vice versa.

1024
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 6: He of course, like he was giving us tips.

1025
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 10: But yeah, I mean, the dudes that one of the

1026
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 10: best he's been, if not the best in the league

1027
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 10: at releases, getting open separation, all that. So I mean

1028
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 10: with him, you got to come to the line with

1029
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 10: a different approach. You can't approach him every single time

1030
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 10: the same way. And I think that's going to help

1031
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 10: me personally. It's going to help all our dvs be

1032
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 10: the best we can be.

1033
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 5: I've covered you for years, grateful to do it, and

1034
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 5: you're so scheme versatile. This defense has changed a lot,

1035
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 5: and you've done a little bit of everything in it,

1036
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 5: man man match, match zone, some of the shell rotating

1037
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 5: coverages when you play a receiver and you have to

1038
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: think about what he's going to do off the line immediately.

1039
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 5: Of that talent level and that caliber, how do where

1040
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 5: do you pull from in your memory bank? Like, how

1041
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 5: do you like you have such a massive file of

1042
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 5: defense in your brain?

1043
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 6: Right?

1044
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 10: I think you got to just sometimes you can't worry

1045
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 10: about the number. Yeah, sometimes you just got to focus

1046
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 10: on your training, trust and rely on your training and

1047
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 10: go out there and just within the defense and knowing

1048
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 10: where your help is and whatnot.

1049
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 6: Just go out there and be able to handle that side.

1050
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 10: But I mean, the biggest thing for me, especially when

1051
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 10: I first started playing, is to blot out the jerseys,

1052
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 10: because if you focus on one specific person, you know

1053
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 10: they're that good, Like you might psych yourself out. So

1054
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 10: as long as you can just rely on your training,

1055
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 10: rely on your technique, and worry about where your help

1056
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 10: is in the defense, you'll be all right.

1057
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: So I think when people think of the RAMS, I

1058
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: think offense, and then you know, the young pass rush

1059
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: group really came on. You're back there in the secondary,

1060
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: and I know this is an improving defense in general.

1061
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: Maybe from an insider perspective of what you are, give

1062
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: me the identity of what you think this secondary can

1063
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: be in the defense as part of the defenses.

1064
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think everybody's young, and everybody's smart, and everybody's athletic,

1065
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 10: and I think that's what you need. I mean, we

1066
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 10: got our front seven. They're going to do their job.

1067
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 10: I think our back seven, as long as we continue

1068
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 10: to communicate grow. I think this unit is one of

1069
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 10: the closest units I've ever been a part of, so

1070
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 10: that plays a huge role.

1071
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 6: But I think, man, we got.

1072
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 10: So much depth on our team, and it goes all

1073
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 10: the way down to the last player on our roster.

1074
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 6: I think any coach will probably feel comfortable, at least

1075
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 6: after a couple preseasons throwing them out there.

1076
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 10: So, I mean the big thing is is we're close

1077
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 10: and we all push each other.

1078
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 6: To do the best.

1079
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: Darius.

1080
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 5: I know you're you love team building on a track someday,

1081
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 5: hopefully a long time from now, because we'd like to

1082
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: watch you play for many more years, but on the

1083
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 5: general manager track, on an executive track, you love team

1084
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 5: building and strategy and all of that. Watching the way

1085
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 5: that the Rams drafted this year, to me, it felt

1086
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 5: like they were telling us what they felt this roster was.

1087
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 5: Because they they found a couple of depth guys, They

1088
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 5: found players who could develop over the course of years

1089
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 5: because of the starters already ahead of them. It felt

1090
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 5: like they were showing us how they felt about what

1091
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 5: this team build was. Did you get the same sense

1092
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 5: watching from the outside.

1093
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.

1094
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 10: I think you know they and I've been telling like

1095
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 10: my guys, like just go out there and play ball,

1096
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 10: because I mean, they chose this group for a reason.

1097
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 10: They could have went out and got anybody. You know,

1098
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 10: these our executives are are from the GM to the

1099
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 10: scouting to coach McVay and the coaches. They know what's

1100
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Speaker 10: look for, Like this is an organization that knows how

1101
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 10: to produce talent. They know how to develop talent. So

1102
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Speaker 10: I just always tell the guys like you're in a

1103
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 10: good spot, like you just continue to grow, continue to

1104
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 10: get better. And if if there was a weakness somewhere,

1105
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 10: they would have pointed it out.

1106
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Speaker 5: Do you ever shock some of the younger guys when

1107
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 5: they first come in that you were once an undrafted

1108
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 5: for agent.

1109
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Speaker 3: Does that shock them?

1110
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what I tell them. I mean, Josh is

1111
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 10: like one of my biggest guys. I'm like, like they

1112
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 10: like Josh Wallace.

1113
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1114
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 10: So, I mean it's a process and like I said,

1115
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 10: like these it's it's different if I mean you have

1116
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 10: undrafted guys and we're just thrown out in the on

1117
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 10: the field and we're running we don't know what to do.

1118
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 10: But like I said, like this organization, the coaches like

1119
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 10: they really know how to develop you, and I feel

1120
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Speaker 10: like they bring the talent, they know how to develop.

1121
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Speaker 2: Wait, so did you just drop some news you want

1122
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: to be a GM or something? Something will be okay? Well,

1123
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Speaker 2: you know, Mad, it is pretty good like Dynasty mode.

1124
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: You know, you're at the time to see what it's

1125
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: good practice.

1126
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Speaker 10: Yeah, if opportunity to presist itself. I mean, how would

1127
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 10: gladly take that road? But you know, I'll go wherever

1128
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 10: God sends me.

1129
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 5: So, Darius, I wanted to ask you you've played this

1130
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: defense has evolved a few times when you were here,

1131
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 5: he evolved a few times when you left. It evolved

1132
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 5: again when you came back. You've been in two different,

1133
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 5: three different versions of it again even coming back. Why

1134
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 5: what is it about this defense that's sort of meeting

1135
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 5: what offenses are doing around the league in this moment?

1136
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: What is it about the defense that's.

1137
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 5: Sort of ready for how offenses have innovated right now?

1138
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 10: I think, man, you just you got to have the

1139
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 10: dogs up front, and I think you got to have

1140
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 10: the guys who can cover in the back road and

1141
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 10: as versatile as this defense is, as many pieces as

1142
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 10: you can move around and things that you can do.

1143
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 10: I mean, as long as you've got the dogs up front,

1144
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 10: as long as you got the cover guys in the back,

1145
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 10: I think you're gonna be good.

1146
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 6: I think you can do whatever you want with it.

1147
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you got to cover this guy Pukaakua

1148
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: in practice, who's causing a riot about one hundred feet

1149
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: away from you, signing some things, just going crazy. He's

1150
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: like a mattin a star, Like, what what's he like

1151
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: to cover?

1152
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 10: I mean, Poka is a dog. I mean, one thing

1153
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 10: that makes Puka super special is his exclusiveness. He's got

1154
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 10: just a sudden exclusiveness. And then obviously after the catch,

1155
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 10: So I mean the timing with the quarterbacks is obviously

1156
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 10: a big help, but I mean he's he's got a

1157
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 10: great exclusive step, so that's that's big.

1158
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: And then it just stops.

1159
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: That was what got me today watching just like the

1160
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: start to stop is just that's gotta be tough to

1161
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: deal with. But that that's why you've stuck around and

1162
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: done such a great job over the years. Still still

1163
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: rolling back with the Los Angeles Rams. And you don't

1164
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: play Madden, but I'm telling you you're a baller in Madden.

1165
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: Appreciate you the we're not sponsored by Madden.

1166
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: You saw that. I'm just I'm just saying you're delivering

1167
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: for my son. So that just makes me like you

1168
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: even more. Darius Villiams preciuch.

1169
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 6: Tell him he's one of my biggest fans out too.

1170
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, Darius, thank you, thank you, Thank you to

1171
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: Darius Williams. What a day of guests Less Need was fantastic.

1172
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: Your buddy Mike Lafleur and Darius Williams wrapping up the

1173
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: show here. We did watch practice first day in pads

1174
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: that that seems exciting. But the Rams, being like Ultimate Rams,

1175
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams isn't even practicing.

1176
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: He just has a veteran, veteran day off. Matthew Stafford,

1177
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: it is out.

1178
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: It was a very short practice is it felt like

1179
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: a ramp up to the pad. So I didn't have

1180
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: a ton of huge takeaways. But it is fun to

1181
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: see all the different I mean, they don't line up

1182
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: in the same formation two plays in a row ever

1183
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: ever ever, And it was interesting to see Terrence Ferguson

1184
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: working in with the ones at some point and sometimes

1185
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: in the back the backups as well. That second round

1186
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: pick at tight ends like Jimmy G with a shot

1187
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: down the field to a Terrence Ferguson. So just little

1188
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: little things that are interesting, and a whole lot of

1189
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: to two out well in most literally every single play

1190
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: to to out well was in motion to out well.

1191
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: Though not a great day, had to drop, couldn't get

1192
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: open on another play that Jimmy G was trying to

1193
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: hit him.

1194
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 5: They are putting a lot on him and trying to

1195
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 5: use his speed a lot of that with the pre

1196
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 5: snap and at snap motion. This is more usage than

1197
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 5: he has had since you know, he got here a

1198
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 5: few years ago.

1199
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Speaker 3: Second round pick.

1200
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because the Terrence Ferguson thing does not

1201
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 5: surprise me at all. He was one of Sean mcvay's

1202
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 5: favorite players coming out in the draft, favorite players period,

1203
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 5: his favorite tight end as well, and he wants to

1204
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 5: use him as a mismatch in the passing game. And

1205
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 5: I think this team is going to use more multiple

1206
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 5: tight end sets. They increase that usage last season, especially

1207
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 5: near the end of the season when Tyler Higbee returned,

1208
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 5: and I think you're going to see more of it.

1209
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 5: And also on defense, by the way, it may look

1210
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 5: like they're showing the same front and the same coverage structure,

1211
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 5: but they're really never in the same front and structure

1212
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 5: after the snap from one play to the next either.

1213
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 5: So this is this is going to be interesting to

1214
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 5: watch this unfold. Very multiple team on both sides of

1215
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 5: the ball.

1216
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are one of the most fascinating teams. And

1217
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: for a minute, you know, on Monday, I believe you know,

1218
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: I saw Jimmy g come out and he sees Rampage

1219
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: the mascot, and seems like so genuinely happy to see him.

1220
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: A lot of the different players have like unique handshakes

1221
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: that they do with Rampage every single day, and and

1222
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: he clearly has a command of the offense, and there's

1223
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: two padibles, no Jimmy G. And they're talking like if

1224
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: we need to use Jimmy G. And then they start

1225
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: doing like the real live bullet type of plays and

1226
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: the ball's floating a little bit and he's having a

1227
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: hard time getting it done but seem comfortable in the pocket.

1228
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: And then I feel like, oh, yeah, I feel a

1229
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: little a little less but they're hoping, they're hoping that

1230
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: doesn't happen.

1231
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that for me, I'm not necessarily worried

1232
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 5: too much about the Stafford thing until and not throwing

1233
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 5: in the backsornis, until these joint practices start with the Cowboys.

1234
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 3: On August fifth, and then further down the.

1235
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 5: Road as well, because those are going to be really,

1236
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 5: really important. He's got to get in here with this offense,

1237
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 5: and the ball coming out of Matthew Stafford's hand is

1238
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 5: not really like most so it does make a huge difference.

1239
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 5: The install is there. That's part of the reason why

1240
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 5: Jimmy G's here is because the install is super functional.

1241
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: With him.

1242
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 5: You can get the same amount of work done. They

1243
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 5: just throw differently.

1244
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: Yes, and he did have some nice connections really the

1245
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: best plays they had no surprise were Tapuka Nakua, who's

1246
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: just a rock star, Like the fans are going nuts.

1247
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: It's southern California, it's very windy and just like a

1248
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 1: perfect like seventy four degree weather and he just looks

1249
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: like a Matine idol And I mentioned it, yeah, Darius

1250
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: Williams and just seeing Pooka like cause a five alarm

1251
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: fire in that secondary because everyone got a little panicked.

1252
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: It was Cam Curl. It was a couple of the

1253
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: players that he was about to just bust through all

1254
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: of them and go deep and they're panicked, and then

1255
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: he throttles down in a second and he is just

1256
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: wide open, so it doesn't matter how slow that Jimmy

1257
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: g pass was kind of getting to him, and he

1258
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: was wide open for like Jimmy, Yeah, I mean you

1259
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 1: can go to camp and that's what you can judge

1260
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: is like how pretty the passes are. We will be

1261
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: back in the studio really excited about the show that

1262
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: we'll be going up overnight Tuesday into Wednesday. We will

1263
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: hit all the NFC notes with our friend Patrick Claiban.

1264
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about Tyler Geitton. By the way, the

1265
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: left tackle. The Cowboy's going to be out four to

1266
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: six weeks. Got that news late in the day. That's disappointing,

1267
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: but it's hard to be disappointed out here in the

1268
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: sunshine when you're wearing an NFL network hoolo football's back