1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newtsworld. In his new book, The 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Authoritarian Moment, Ben Shapiro examines the real authoritarian threat to 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: America the supposedly anti fascist left. The authoritarian left is 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: aggressively insistent that everyone must bend to its values, demanding 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: submission and conformity. The left is obsessed with putting people 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: in categories and changing human nature. Everyone who opposes it 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: must be destroyed. Ben Shapiro looks at everything from pop 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: culture to the Frankfurt School, social media, to the Founding 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: Fathers to explain the origins of our turn to tyranny 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: and why so many seem blind to it. The Authoritarian 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Moment lays bare the intolerance and rigidity creeping into all 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: American ideology and prescribes the solution to ending the authoritarianism 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: that's our future. Here to talk more about the themes 14 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: in his book, I'm really pleased to welcome my guest, 15 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro. He is editor in chief of The Daily Wire, 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: host of The Ben Shapiro Show. His latest book, The 17 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: Authoritarian Moment, How the Left Weaponized America's Institutions against Descent, 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: is a New York Times bestseller and is available now. Ben, 19 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me, thanks for having me really 20 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and you've done so many different things. What 21 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: prompted you to write the new book, Well, I think 22 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: over the course of the last year, watching as not 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: just social media mobs went after people, but as corporations 24 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: started to reflect the whims of the social media mobs, 25 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: watching as the public health establishment started to reflect politics 26 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: rather than actual public health guidance, Watching as the media 27 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: when of its way to continue to promulgate falsehoods in 28 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: the name of particular political points of view. It was 29 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: deeply frightening, and it got me to thinking about the 30 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: argument that had been used repeatedly with regard to Republicans, 31 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: particularly President Trump, over the past few years, which is 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: that Trump himself was an authoritarian and that everybody who 33 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: voted for him was an authoritarian, And particularly in the 34 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: aftermath of January sixth, I started writing this book shortly 35 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: before January sixth, but completed it in probably the month 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: and a half after January sixth. In the surrounding time 37 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: to January sixth, the push from the left was that 38 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: the great authoritarian threat to the country was from the right. 39 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: Therefore he had to give the government ultimate power Therefore, 40 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: corporations that were cramming down particular mandates in terms of 41 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: ideology on their employees were doing something good. Therefore, the 42 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: public health officials could lie to you and tell you 43 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: what to do, because obviously, if you're trying to stop authoritarians, 44 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: then being a little bit authoritarian is okay. I noticed 45 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: that the real authoritarianism here was not coming from the right. 46 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: It was coming from a very aggressive and radical left 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: that was reflecting a lot of the precept of wokeism, 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: reflecting the precepts of critical theory, reflecting the precept a 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: sort of top down censorious belief system. And I think 50 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: what I was really trying to get a hold of 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: is why were there so many Americans who felt compelled 52 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: not only to vote for President Trump, who felt under 53 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: attack Over the past decade. I think the number of 54 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: Americans on the right who have gone from feeling as though, 55 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, they were just members of a body politics 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: who disagree with other people, to feeling their lifestyle was 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: legitimately under attack has risen dramatically. I don't think that 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: that is unfounded. I'm really curious because your own background, 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: you were sort of at the heart of the system 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: you went to UCLA at the age of sixteen, graduated 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: would be a in political science. So then you went 62 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: to Harvard, graduated from Harvard Law School in two thousand 63 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: and seven, and in the middle of that rapid education period, 64 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: you became the youngest nationally syndicated columnist in the US 65 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: at seventeen, when the Creator syndicate hired you. First of all, 66 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: how do you balance that many different things simultaneously. You know, 67 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm lucky. I tend to really quickly, so that is 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: very helpful. But you know, I would say that most 69 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: of the stuff I was doing sort of fed itself 70 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: in the sense that, you know, if I was learning 71 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: things in law school that very often came out in 72 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: my political writing, if I was debating issues in politics 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: that very often came out in the classroom in law school. 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: And I've been very fortunate to be able to have 75 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: the opportunity to speak on these public issues for a 76 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: really long time, and I've been able to sort of 77 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: mature and flesh that stuff out publicly, which is, as 78 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: you know, sort of a dangerous business. Right. Sometimes you 79 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: say things when you're seventeen and you look back when 80 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: you're thirty seven, like, wow, that's probably not a great idea, 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: but that's also allowed me the opportunity to get a 82 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: lot of feedback. In that feedback loop, I think has 83 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: hopefully made me a better thinker over time. Yeah. Well, 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: it's interesting too, because you're so energetic and I guess, 85 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: in some ways so insightful at an early age. Your 86 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: first book, Brainwashed, How Universities Indoctrinate America's Youth, came out 87 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, when you were twenty. Of course, 88 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: by then you've already been a syndicated columnist for three years, 89 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: so I guess it was all that happened to some degree. 90 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: It seems to me that the authoritarian moment picks up 91 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: on a curve and arc, if you will, that in 92 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: fact you were first describing and brainwashed. Yeah, I think 93 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: that's right, the sort of authoritarian, top down control that 94 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: you saw in classrooms going all the way back to 95 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: the sixties. But certainly, you know in the two thousands 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: when I was going to college, it's gotten a lot 97 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: worse since then. I will say, I've been speaking on 98 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: college campuses since about two thousand and four, and even 99 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: in the last decade it's gotten markedly worse. I would 100 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: say since twenty fourty nine, the risks to speakers in 101 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: terms of safety that require actual security, the sorts of 102 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: restrictions that are put on college campus speakers, the amount 103 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: of iran rage if you disagree on college campus has 104 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: gone up markedly over the course of the last seven 105 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: or eight years. So when I was writing about what 106 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: was going on in college campuses and the sort of 107 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: liberal bias and indoctrinational bias that was happening on college 108 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: campuses in two thousand and four, there are a lot 109 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: of people in the conservative movement who pushed back with 110 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: the idea, well, it's happening on college campus, but who cares. 111 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: They'll get out into the real world changed and all 112 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: adapt because the real world requires you to actually receive 113 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: other ideas and deal with those other ideas. And as 114 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: it turns out, the people I was graduating college with 115 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: went out and changed the world around them, as opposed 116 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: to the world around them changing them. Yeah. Yeah, I 117 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: was very struck in terms of this rising authoritarians, and 118 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: I went back just he had a sense of George 119 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: McGovern as a parallel for half of the Biden system. 120 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter's incompetence being the other half. And I read 121 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: Theodore White's Making the President of nineteen seventy two, which 122 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: is a remarkably current book. You wouldn't think that a 123 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: book that's now more than forty years old it would 124 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: be that current. But he has a line in there 125 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: trying to explain the rise of radical left around McGovern 126 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: and he says that the liberal idea had become the 127 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: liberal theology and that the rigidity had set in. He's 128 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: writing in seventy two, and everything he describes there, I 129 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: think metastasizes gets worse and worse and worse. And now 130 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: we're living in the full ripeness of a radically out 131 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: of touch with reality authoritarianism. And I think your description 132 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: is exactly right. Leaving campus, rather than having reality changed them, 133 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: they set out to change reality to fit their pre 134 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: existing views, and the result, of course, has been a disaster, 135 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: because in the end, reality is bigger than the ideological 136 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: views of a generation. Now we're describing all this in 137 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: the middle of the Afghanistan disaster, and I'm curious from 138 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: your perspective, you've both tweeted enjoying the myriad of fact 139 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: checks about Joe Biden not falling asleep, and the significant 140 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: lack of fact checks about Joe Biden's daily lies about 141 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: the Afghanistan and tobacco, and then you did a video 142 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: brutal timeline leading up to Biden's catastrophe. What sure sense 143 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: of how bad Afghanistan is and what its impact will be? 144 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's horrific. I think it's the 145 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: worst foreign policy to back lab scene in my lifetime, 146 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: and as more than eighty four. So I don't remember 147 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: the fall of Saigon or the Iranian hostage crisis, but 148 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: it just seems that from studying history, Joe Biden decided 149 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: to take every foreign policy crisis from about nineteen seventy 150 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: three to nineteen eighty nine and then just wrap it 151 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: all out a ball and do it at once. So 152 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: we get the fall of Saigon, except significantly worse because 153 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: we're handing the country back to the people who helped 154 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: preside over the al Qaida attack on the American homeland 155 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: on nine to eleven. Except we also gave them sixty 156 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: billion dollars of American military armament, so that's been excellent. 157 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: We are conflating the fall of Saigon with the Iran 158 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: hostage crisis, which involved some fifty two American hostages in Iran, 159 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: and now we are talking about a minimum of two 160 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty Americans who are held behind enemy lines. 161 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: That doesn't include Green hireholders, of whom they are presumably thousands, 162 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: or the Afghan allies who work with us, of whom 163 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: there are presumably tens of thousands. So it's way worse 164 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: than the Iran hostage crisis. And then we had obviously 165 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: the Giants suicide bombing last week, which is reminiscent of 166 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: the Husballah bombing of the American barracks in Lebanon in 167 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: eighty two, which obviously caused US to withdraw from Lebanon. 168 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: And this bombing exacerbated the Biden rush to exit, leaving 169 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: Americans behind. And then I think what this is going 170 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: to end with is with the United States, you're participating 171 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: in Iran contra. Except about the contras, it's just going 172 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: to be US shipping money to the Taliban, presumably to 173 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: free American hostages, because we have no other options. We 174 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: don't have any diplomats on the ground, we don't have 175 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: any soldiers on the ground. The so called over the 176 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: horizon capacity involves US launching drones from hundreds of miles away, 177 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: six hours of airtime before we even get to Afghanistan. 178 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: So Joe Biden has facilitated a massive disaster just in 179 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: terms of what he's done in Afghanistan. And that's ignoring 180 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: all the geostrategic consequences of undercutting an American ally that 181 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: we spent twenty years building up and basically saying to 182 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: all of our other allies around the world that you'd 183 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: better start triangulating pretty quickly because we are just not 184 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: a trustworthy source of support. That's number one. If you're Taiwan, 185 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: or if you're Israel, if you're Saudi Arabia, if you're 186 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: at anybody, if you're Europe at this point, if you're 187 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: a lot for you our estonia, if you look to 188 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: the United States as a solid base for support in 189 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: case some aggressive dominant power like China, Russia decides to 190 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: move on you or Ron, why would that faith be 191 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: well placed. So that's problem number one. Problem number two 192 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: is that all of our enemies know this. So terrorist 193 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: groups are flooding into Afghanistan. Terrorist groups all over the 194 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: world are cheering this, realizing that maybe bin Laden was 195 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: right in ninety nine, two thousand, when he was saying 196 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: that America was a paper tiger, and if you're China, 197 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you be casting your hungry eyes on Taiwan. 198 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to get all the rare earth 199 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: minerals out of Afghanistan. I noticed that despite Jake Sullivan 200 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: and the entire idiotic diplomatic team at the White House 201 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: suggesting that there were some sort of huge diplomatic coup 202 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: and getting one hundred countries to sign on to a 203 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: statement requesting that the Taliban allow people to leave, there 204 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: were two countries that were not signed on to that 205 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: statement or were they signed on to the UN Security 206 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Council resolution, Russia and China, because both of those countries 207 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: have interests adversarial to our own, and both of those 208 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: countries are willing to take full advantage of American weakness. 209 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: So there's no goal here, there's no interest here. This 210 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: was not America's longest endless war. It was not We 211 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: had twenty five hundred troops on the ground. We had 212 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: no American casualty since February twenty twenty until Joe Biden 213 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: decided to pull out, and then we experienced the deadliest 214 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: day for Americans in Afghanistan since twenty eleven. It's a 215 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: full scale debacle on every level. It's possible for it 216 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: to be at a bacle, and Joe Biden is simply 217 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: hoping that the American attention span remains seven seconds long, 218 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: which is why he keeps checking his watch at Dover 219 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: Airbase while the bodies are coming home, because every second 220 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: that passes takes him closer to the possibility that the 221 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: media switched their attention to something else and Americans forget 222 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: about the debacle. I hope that it doesn't go that way. 223 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: NBC just came out and said that only twenty five 224 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: percent of the American people approve of Biden's handling in Afghanistan. 225 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: When you look at it from that standpoint, that's a 226 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: pretty steep hole to climb out of. Yeah, I think 227 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: that the only way that he climbs out of that 228 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: hole is again the attention shift. So if there is 229 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: any attention that remains on the Americans are stuck there, 230 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: who are sending out videos to people saying we need 231 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: to get out, or if as starts beheading Americans in Afghanistan, 232 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: it'll stay top of mind and top of news. If However, 233 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: as I think Joe Biden hopes, this just turns into guys, 234 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: We're trying to get our guys out. It's a long 235 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: diplomatic process. It could take years, and every so often 236 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the Taliban let somebody out because we tossed them a 237 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: palette full of cash, the way we did with the 238 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Iranians under Obama, and then the Taliban release somebody, then 239 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: Joe Biden will continue to claim victory and the media 240 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: will shift from well, yeah, that was a pretty big 241 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: debaccle and that really was bad, but we were going 242 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: to get out anyway, and was there really a way 243 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: we weren't going to get out with the serious problems. 244 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: After all, only thirteen Americans died and we did airlift. 245 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: You can see the narratives changing even this early. The 246 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: New York Times has a piece right now on its 247 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: web page surveying a so called swing district in California. 248 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: That district went fifty four forty in favor of Biden, 249 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: talking about how despite the fact that people are pretty 250 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,239 Speaker 1: unhappy with how Biden did this, most of them agree 251 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: with Biden's overall policy and are willing to give him 252 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. You can see the media 253 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: shifting in real time. My hope that the media would 254 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: continue to hold them accountable. I'm surprised they held them 255 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: as accountable as they did for this long. Frankly, you've 256 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: contributed your part to creating an alternative media when you 257 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and Jeremy Boring created the Daily Wire in twenty fifteen. 258 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: What led you to create the Daily Wire? So we 259 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: created the Daily Wire as an explicit conservative alternative to 260 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: the mainstream media. I mean, every single one of our pieces, 261 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the piece, news or commentary says 262 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: we're a conservative news site, and so we are providing 263 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: news from that perspective. And our goal was to take 264 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: advantage of many of the marketing opportunities that we thought 265 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: had been sort of left on the side by other 266 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: conservative publications, many of which were doing good job reporting, 267 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: but many of whom did not have the same sort 268 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: of marketing tactics that we did. And so we decided 269 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: that we could make a difference in the space by 270 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: broadening the ability for people to see our material. And 271 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: so we have a page that does one hundred and 272 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: fifty million pages a month somewhere in that neighborhood. The 273 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: podcast that I do is accessed by well over two 274 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: million people a day in all of its various sort 275 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: of formats. So we've been very successful in being able 276 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: to use sophisticated marketing mechanisms in order to broaden the 277 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: opportunity for people to see conservative content. That was sort 278 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: of the idea behind Daily Wire. I was noticing that 279 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: a video being put out by I guess the Department 280 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: of Education under Biden on welcoming children back to school 281 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: and encouraging them not to be bullied if they happen 282 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: to be transgender, etc. Is almost exactly what you would 283 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: think a woke welcome back to school would be accepted. 284 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: It's paid for by your tax dollars and being distributed 285 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: nationwide by your government, and it talks about bullying, which 286 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: reminded me that in twenty thirteen you published Bullies how 287 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: the less culture of fear and intimidation silence as Americans. 288 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: Isn't there something grandly ironic in the left specializing in 289 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: bullying and then complaining about being bullied? Yeah? I mean, 290 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: I think what the left likes to do is they 291 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: like to suggest that anybody who disagrees with them, whether 292 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: they're polite or not, is in fact a bully who's 293 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: encroaching on their values, and from their perspective, you see 294 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: where this is coming from. There's a really good book 295 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: out by a guy named Karl Truman right now that 296 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most important books in 297 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: the last five ten years about the rise of a 298 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: certain alternative form of identity that's happened in the West. 299 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: It used to be that human beings sort of form 300 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: their identity around how they interacted with the civilizing institutions 301 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: around them. You grew up as a child, children, as 302 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: everybody whose parent knows, are small barbarians. I have three 303 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: of them. They're wonderful, but they're bbarians. And then you 304 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: spend your life trying to civilize them and adjusting them 305 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: to institutions and civilization, and you make them more civilized. 306 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: This is literally the process of civilization. And over time, 307 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: instead of your identity being formed in conjunction with the 308 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: institutions and civilizing influences around you, instead identity came to 309 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: be seen is what I feel internally. And once your 310 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: identity is entirely what you feel internally, what's been termed 311 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: expressive individualism or emotivism. Once you start believing that what 312 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: you are is what you feel, then any threat to 313 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: what you feel is a threat to what you are. Right. 314 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: This is why you see the left used phrases like 315 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: you're attacking my identity, you're attacking me. If you refuse 316 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: to acquiesce to people's perspectives on themselves or to their 317 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: perspectives about the world that affect how they see themselves, 318 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: then this is seen as an aggressive attack on them. 319 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: And so if you say men are men and women 320 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: are women, for example, which is biologically obvious. If you 321 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: say that this is now an a rature right, that's 322 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: an attack on another person's identity. If you say, I 323 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: disagree with you about politics, and here's why. If that 324 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: person holds those political views so closely that they're woven 325 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: into their feelings and into their identity, that's an attack 326 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: on their identity now. And so everything that can be 327 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: controversial has become a form of micro aggression that ought 328 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: to be extirpated. That's the sort of view of left 329 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: wing and that does make them bullies because they're willing 330 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: to use any resources at their disposal of nerd of 331 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: silence people to end that supposed threat. Do you think 332 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: that bullying and intimidation and fear from the left is 333 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: worse now than when you wrote the book. Oh, no question. 334 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean there's no question, because it's also become institutionalized. 335 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: And we had the woke mobs on the prowl back 336 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen. You had the media that would sort 337 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: of crowd source attacks on people, whether it was Joe 338 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: the Plumber in two thousand and eight or whether it 339 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: was Mitt Romney and putting his dog on top of 340 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: his car in two twelve. And that sort of stuff 341 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: was not anything new. But what has changed, I think 342 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: since then is the institutionalization of all of that. Right, 343 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: you now have corporate heads who are trying to bully 344 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: their employees into submission, and you now have corporate heads 345 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: who are willing to please the woke mob by doing 346 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: exactly what the woke mob blonds. If the woke mobs 347 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: starts shouting about how Major League Baseball needs to remove 348 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: the All Star Game from Georgia over a voting law 349 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: that looks very sim Lord of Delaware is voting law, 350 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: then the result is that MLB pulls the game from 351 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: Georgia and puts it in Colorado. Right, the willingness of 352 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: corporations to follow the leader here is pretty incredible because 353 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: of pressure from both outside and inside. There's an inside 354 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: outside game. You have twenty percent of your corporate staff 355 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: that's very woke, that are threatening litigation or at least 356 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: threatening to make trouble, and then you have a media 357 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: that's very much allied with the wokes, and they're putting 358 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: pressure on the outside, and all of this is supposed 359 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: to have a market effect on your corporation. There have 360 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: been some pretty good studies done, one from Harvard Business 361 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: Review that looked at how corporations are viewed by the 362 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: public and how that translates into sort of public perceptions politically. 363 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: And what they found is that if a corporation was 364 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: perceived as neutral, then people had a certain feeling about it. 365 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: If people perceived that corporation as liberal, it was the 366 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: exact time results as if it was neutral. People really 367 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: didn't care about the politics. It was fine. It was 368 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: perceived as conservative, it's public approval ratings dropped by thirty percent, 369 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: and that thirty percent drop was entirely attributable to people 370 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: from the left now believing that the corporations evil. People 371 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: on the right don't care about the politics of corporations. 372 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, they just want to buy a product or 373 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: a service or a good. And if you are on 374 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 1: the left, then you have decided that everything is political. Right, 375 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: going all the way back to the sixties, the personal 376 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: is political, and that's your consumption habits as well. And 377 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: so if you can use your market power to cudgele 378 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: corporations into doing what you want, then they too can 379 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: become tools in your arsenal. From their standpoint, everything becomes 380 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: a target and nothing can be neutral right, neutral disappears, 381 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: and that's I think why so many people feel totally 382 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: under assault, like an overwhelming wave of being hit. You 383 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: turn on a baseball game and suddenly you've got people 384 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: kneeling for the national anthem. Or you go to school 385 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: and suddenly your kid is explaining to you why they're 386 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: reading avermeex Keendy, or you go to a movie and 387 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: there's some sort of messaging about how if you voted 388 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: for Trump, you're actually a xenophobe. It's just everywhere, and 389 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: it feels absolutely overwhelming. And so what you're seeing as 390 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: a result, I think is the big sort continuing politically, 391 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: and originally there is this sort of notion with the 392 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: big sort going back to the seventies and eighties, that 393 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: people were going to find kind of small communities that 394 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: they liked within a bigger community. So people who are 395 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: read in outlook in a blue state, We're just going 396 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: to find kind of redder areas in blue states and 397 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: live there, or find local communities, local churches to interface 398 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: with instead. You're now seeing this happen on a state level. 399 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: I took my family and my company completely out of California. 400 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: My company is located in Nashville, My family and I 401 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: are located in South Florida. We deliberately sought out of 402 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: red state. We didn't want to be in a blue state. 403 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: And I think you're starting to see more and more 404 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: people do this, realizing that if I have a choice 405 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: between living in an ocean where everything that I oppose 406 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: is what surrounds me and trying to raise my children 407 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: in that ocean, or I theoretically could just move somewhere else. 408 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: And now most of the people tend to agree with 409 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: my values. At least they're not threatening my values. That's 410 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: a pretty easy choice, especially when the tax rate here 411 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: is zero. The tax rate in California was thirteen percent. Yeah, 412 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: I was going to say that was I assume a 413 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: pretty profitable decision. Oh yeah, thank god. Florida is a 414 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: wonderful state. Zero percent state tax rate is definitely helpful. Look, 415 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: there's a reason and why California is going to lose 416 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: congressional seats and why Texas and Tennessee and Florida are 417 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: going to pick up congressional seats. People are going to 418 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: leave the places where it is bad to live and 419 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: they are going to move to places where it is 420 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: good to live. The only problem is that a lot 421 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: of the population centers are still very democrat and so 422 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: they're going to start trying to create more and more 423 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: power to the federal levels. They can control all of 424 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: these wayward red states that aren't doing what they want right. 425 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: In a very real sense, the blue states have to 426 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: have federal funding both for their pension liabilities and to 427 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: pay off their public employee unions. Oh one hundred percent. 428 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the debts that are 429 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: being run the unfunded liabilities in California, I mean it 430 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: ranges into the hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions. 431 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an astonishing amount of debt that they've 432 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: piled up, and then they lie about it, right, They say, oh, well, 433 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, the debt is actually funded because the money 434 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: that we're investing on behalf of CalPERS for example, that's 435 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: going to accrue at a rate of seven percent a year. Okay, well, 436 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: if I could be guaranteed a rate of seven percent 437 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: a year, I'd invest with CalPERS. Are you out of 438 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: your mind? What is your baseline rate here? But they 439 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: just lie about the finances that they can pretend that 440 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: the deficits don't exist. The system that we're seeing is 441 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: I think compounded by the rise of the oligarchs and 442 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: the tolitary and attitude of Twitter and Facebook and Google 443 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: and Apple. We recently had George Farmer, who's the CEO 444 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: of Parlor, talking about Parlor as an alternative because of 445 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: their experience, which was they got knocked out. I mean, 446 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: is this sort of an automatic you know, we don't 447 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: like you and your two conservative and goodbye. And he 448 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: talked about the complexities of creating an alternative electronic highway 449 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: that survives despite these guys. How do you see all 450 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: of that playing out? I mean, this is what truly 451 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: I think be most over the past seven eight months 452 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: before the current debacle was what happened in the aftermath 453 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: of January sixth, to me, was much more threatening to 454 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: American rights than what happened on January sixth. And that's 455 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: not downplaying what happened on January sixth. I thought that 456 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: that was awful, and I think all those people who 457 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: participated in criminal activity should go to jail and will 458 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: end up in jail. But you know, the true threat 459 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: to the republic was not a bunch of idiots running 460 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: into the Capitol building getting themselves arrested and then three 461 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: hours later the Congress going ahead and doing what it 462 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: had gathered to do in the first place. The notion 463 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: that this was an existential threat to the democracy is 464 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: utterly asinine and disconnected from reality. On every possible level. 465 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: There was no institutional support for what people were doing there. 466 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: When you had General Millie saying things like it's like 467 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: the rack Stag Fire, which doesn't even make any sense, 468 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: is you know, because you're historian ian. The notion that 469 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: this was anything remotely like the rack Stag Fire, which 470 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: was number one step by a communist number two used 471 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: by Hitler in order to retain power, that doesn't even 472 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: make sense here The idea here is that these were 473 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: Trump supporters who were doing this, and then Trump was 474 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: going to retain power because he had to restore order 475 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: at the Capitol. Millie. For a guy who's supposed to 476 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: be smart, he is not particularly impressive. But put that aside. 477 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: What happened in the immediate aftermath of January sixth was 478 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: this massive blowback toward basic American rights. So Parlor gets 479 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: knocked offline because Parlor is supposedly being used as a 480 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: place for people to gather in advance of January six Now, 481 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: of course, we have some federal investigative studies that suggest 482 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: that there really wasn't much pre planning of an actual 483 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: armed insurrection at the Capitol building. But put that aside, 484 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: Parlor was used less than Twitter and Facebook. Or Parlor 485 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: gets completely knocked off line by Amazon web Services. Amazon 486 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: web Services is a neutral service provider. Amazon Web Services 487 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: is not a political actor. And yet you have Amazon 488 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: web Services now saying that Parlor has to be knocked 489 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: offline for not restricting its material enough. His is really 490 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: dangerous stuff. That's the equivalent of AT and T saying 491 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: that you need to be knocked offline because we don't 492 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: really like the language that you've been using on your 493 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: phone calls with your friends. Neutral service providers were supposed 494 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: to be neutral, and once neutral service providers basically start 495 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: saying that they get to decide what lives on their 496 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: technology and what doesn't on the basis of politics, you 497 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: got a really ugly situation on your hands, because truly 498 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: everybody is reliant on these giant neutral service providers to 499 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: do exactly that. So Parlor getting knocked off line was scary. 500 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: The Democrats immediately talking about how there needed to be 501 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: full scale investigations into how free speech was used. There 502 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: need to be a rethink on how free speech was 503 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: used online. That sort of stuff is truly authoritarian in 504 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: the classical sense. And I talked in the book a 505 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: lot about kind of social authoritarianism and authoritarian attitudes, But 506 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: that authoritarianism in the classic sense, which is the government 507 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: actually using its power to violate individual rights on behalf 508 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: of their own political perspective, that is cropping up very 509 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: very quickly. You see it with regard to social media 510 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: all the time, where Democrats are openly threatening social media 511 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: that if they do not sensor the material democrats want sensor, 512 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: maybe democrats will remove their liability protections. Again, well, that 513 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: effectively is making these companies their agents and cracking down 514 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: on free speech, which should be illegal. When the New 515 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: York Post, which is the oldest newspaper in America and 516 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: the fourth largest, when it can get knocked out just 517 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: before an election because it's printing about Hunter Biden, I 518 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: thought that was egregious. I mean, when people say it 519 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: was the election stolen, my answers, yes, but not on 520 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: election day. It was stolen because of what the founder 521 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: of Facebook did in giving away four hundred million dollars 522 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: to increase turnout, specifically in democratic precincts. It was stolen 523 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: by the deliberate destruction of communications capabilities, of which the 524 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden story is a perfect example. Then you have 525 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: a situation now where a former president of state is banned, 526 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: but the Taliban spokesperson is on the system. I mean, 527 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: how can it be a rational world where these people 528 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: sitting around Silicon Valley have no notion who the Taliban 529 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: would kill if they got a shot at them. I mean, 530 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: these are exactly the people who the Taliban would regard 531 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: as threats culturally, and they were just kill And these 532 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: guys sit around and I think it's clever that they 533 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: allowed the Taliban spokesman to be on their system, and 534 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it, to be honest, 535 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: I think that for a lot of the social media heads, 536 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: I think when they started their platforms, they thought that 537 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: they were the advocates for free speech. I mean, if 538 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: you look at Zuckerberg's early speeches, they were very much 539 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: like this or or even Jack Dorsey's. And then over time, 540 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: particularly after twenty sixteen, there was a severe push from 541 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: the left that's said the only reason Trump wont is 542 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: because you guys allowed this sort of speech on your platforms, 543 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: and we are going to come after you. And I 544 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: think a lot of these companies started to act out 545 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: of fear, and now they've got completely incoherent standards as 546 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned, where Donald Trump is banned from posting on Twitter, 547 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: but the Taliban is okay with posting on Twitter, because 548 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: after all, they're not violating the rules. They're just probably 549 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: going to take you any American collaborators out in the the 550 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: street and shoot them in the face. But aside from that, 551 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: they're really not violating any rules per se. Everything is reactionary, 552 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: and I don't think that many of these corporate heads. 553 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: This is true. More broadly, are themselves woke. I just 554 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: think that they are reactive to the woke, and so 555 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: all it would take is for a few of them 556 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: to just say no, and a lot of this would stop. 557 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: But they won't say no. Instead, they're so afraid that 558 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: they are just reacting day in and day out, and 559 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: this is creating incoherent standards that have no through line, 560 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: and then when people point out that there's no through line, 561 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: they react to the fact that there's no through line 562 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: by cracking down harder. Let me ask you about two 563 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: popular opinion things which I think are enormous opportunities, but 564 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: I don't quite see the Conservative movement necessarily or the 565 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: Republicans organize themselves. One is Oregon, whereas you know, the 566 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: governor signed a law that basically eliminates any kind of 567 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: standard for reading, writing, or mathematics in order to graduate 568 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: from high school. And rastas into a national survey and 569 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: by eighty one to twelve, the American people repudiate the 570 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: idea that there should be no standards, and in fact 571 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly believe that it hurts the poor and it hurts 572 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: minorities when you have no standards. Isn't that the kind 573 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: of massive majority about something that's very personal and very 574 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: human that an aggressive, articulate conservative movement would use to 575 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: profoundly shift the whole context of American politics. I mean absolutely. 576 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: I think that getting Democrats, particularly top level Democrats, actually 577 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: own that resort of htoric is sometimes difficult. So this 578 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: is what we saw with the defund the Police movement. 579 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: It did real damage to Democrats down ballot at the 580 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: top of the ticket. It didn't because Joe Biden was 581 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: on the one hand sort of appeasing to defund the 582 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: police gang by saying, yeah, we should shift money over 583 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: to mental health and to various other sort of priorities, 584 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: but he was also saying I'm really really against defund 585 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: the police. So at the top level of American politics, 586 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: it's hard to pin top level Democratic politicians down to 587 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: the position that there shouldn't be any testing and there 588 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: should be no accountability and no standards for passing this stuff. 589 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: But on the lower level, where you have less I 590 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: would say, wishy washy or maybe adept politicians, then I 591 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: think that you can do some real damage. And I 592 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: think that you're starting to see that with the critical 593 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: race theory controversy. I think that you're going to see 594 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: a real backlash in many of these purple states against 595 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: advocates who believe that critical race theory ought to be 596 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: taught or implemented, or equity principles demand that we get 597 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: rid of meritocratic standards. I think you will see a 598 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: backlash that I think right now it's ground up. But 599 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: there are some politicians, I think, who are capable of 600 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 1: taking advantage of that and who are articulate out there. 601 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: I'm kind of hopeful for the next generation of Republican politicians, frankly, 602 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: because I think that they're combining some of the aggressiveness 603 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: of Trump with you some of the policy expertise of 604 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: maybe some of his forebears. If you can find politicians 605 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: who retain Trump's aggressive streak, particularly with regards to the media, 606 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: and at the same time avoid many of the pitfalls 607 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: that come with Trump's character issues, then that's a recipe 608 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: for some level of success. I think. Ben I've been 609 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: working on this new project called the American Majority Project, 610 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: and one of the results we came up with is 611 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: if you use the term free enterprise capitalism and you 612 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: use the term big government, socialism. It turns out to 613 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: be a fifty nine to sixteen distinction. And when you 614 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: consider that every single Democratic Senator and every single Democratic 615 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: House member voted for Bernie Sanders three point five trillion 616 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: dollars big government, socialist bill, I just think there's an 617 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: opportunity here for twenty twenty two to be a dramatically 618 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: bigger election than people expect. I totally agree with you. 619 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: I think twenty twenty two is lining up for Republicans 620 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: in a pretty dramatic way. I would be shocked if 621 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: they don't take the House. I originally thought that they 622 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: were at a pretty severe disadvantage in the Senate. Now 623 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: I think that they are actually at a pretty significant advantage. 624 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: In the Senate. You have a couple of candidates who 625 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: are looking to jump into races, Adam Laxell Innovata, for example, 626 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: and Sino in New Hampshire. I think Republicans could wind 627 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: up with majorities in both houses. I think the question 628 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: for Republicans in the Senate it's going to be more 629 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: questions about Wisconsin and Ohio, frankly than Nevada and New Hampshire. 630 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: If they're able to hold all of that, then they'll 631 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: be in really good shape going into twenty twenty four, 632 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: and frankly, I think twenty twenty four is lining up 633 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: for them pretty well, considering that the President of the 634 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: United States is not with us, he's not been with 635 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: us for some time, and his successor in waiting, Kamala Harris, 636 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: is one of the worst politicians in modern American history. 637 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: She's like Hillary Clinton without the charm, and I just 638 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: don't understand. You know, what Democrats think their future looks 639 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty I think that they believed that, 640 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: just like they did in twenty twelve. I think they 641 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: believed they'd won an everlasting majority that would be solid 642 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: for all time, and I think they're surprised to learn 643 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: that Americans are not in favor of that, and that 644 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: the only reason that Joe Biden won as many votes 645 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: as he did is because Americans were just saying, can 646 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: you just be like dead and moderate? Like those are 647 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: the two things you campaigned on, right, not alive and moderate, 648 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: And instead Joe Biden gave them one of those things. 649 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think that that is a winning message 650 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: four years from now. To be not alive and radical 651 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: is a really bad combo. Somebody said he might actually 652 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: have done better, and he stayed in the basement. Oh, 653 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm amazed at how radical his policy has been. The 654 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: fundamental misunderstanding that Twitter is not real life for Democrats 655 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: is really amazing to watch. Right, Joe Biden won the 656 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: primaries and the election on the basis that Twitter is 657 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: not real life. Right. He rejected to fund the police. 658 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: He told the squad basically to head in from time 659 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: to time. And then he gets an office and he 660 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: immediately says, equity is going to be at the heart 661 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: of every single policy I do. Also, I'm going to 662 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: spend more money than has ever been seen by God 663 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: or man, and I'm going to pull out of Afghanistan 664 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: and completely hand over our foreign policy to the predations 665 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: of the Chinese, the Taliban, and the Russians. And this 666 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: is my plan. And American is like, wait, what we 667 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: didn't what now? Like, all we wanted was for the 668 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: bad tweets to stop, right, That's all we wanted. And 669 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: for those who voted for Biden, that really does constitute 670 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: a huge number of people who voted against Trent. Like 671 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: no one voted for Biden. A lot of people voted 672 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: against Trump, but nobody voted for Biden, And if they 673 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: didn't vote for Biden, it's because again they thought that 674 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: he was just going to be a placeholder. He himself 675 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: campaigned this way, right, He said that he was going 676 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: to basically be a placeholder. And then he gets in 677 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: and he's all of a sudden like George McGovern in 678 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: terms of governance and Jimmy Carter in terms of affect, 679 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: and you're like, this is not at all what anybody 680 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: bargained for. Now, it's an interesting recipe for disaster. Let 681 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: me ask you one last thing. You have the authoritarian moment, 682 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: how the left weaponized America's institutions against ascent. You've been 683 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: one of the leading students and publishers on this whole 684 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: question of left wing to totitarianism in the United States. 685 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: What's your next big project. So one of the things 686 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: that we've been trying to do at Daily Wire is 687 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: perform sort of what we preach. So there are a 688 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: couple of solutions that I recommend at the end of 689 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: authoritarian moment. One is pushing back from inside institutions. You know, 690 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: if they've renormalized institutions by taking twenty percent of a population, 691 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: being very aggressive in pushing their perspective. We can do 692 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: the same. There's no reason we can't push back in 693 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: the same way. But the other thing that we've they 694 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: tried to do is build alternatives. So one of the 695 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: things we've been doing at Daily Wire is trying to 696 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: push into the entertainment space and provide an alternative for 697 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: people who are not interested in paying Hollywood to produce 698 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: propaganda about how bad they are. And so we brought 699 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: in a movie earlier this year called Run Hide Fight. 700 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: We have another couple of movies that are in the 701 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: pipeline that we're looking forward to releasing next year. We're 702 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: going to start doing comedy specials and kids content, and 703 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: we just want to start providing an alternative to the 704 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: dominance institutionally of the left nearly every institution, and so 705 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: any place we see a market opening, we're going to 706 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: go there. The good news for us is that as 707 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: the left continues to force Republicans and conservatives and people 708 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: who just don't think like them out into the corn field, 709 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: that becomes an awful big crowd, and we can market 710 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: to that crowd. That's great. Well, you've already made an 711 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: astonishing number of contributions to explaining what's been happening in America, 712 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: offering hope for the future, literally reaching out and networking 713 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: with millions of Americans. And I'm personally very grateful now 714 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: you would take this time and share with us, and 715 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: I wish you the best with your new book, The 716 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: Authoritarian Moment, and I can assure you that as you 717 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: continue to be productive, will continue to try to highlight 718 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: it for you. Hey, thank you so much. It's an 719 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: honor and a pleasure. 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