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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we have Lindsey

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Speaker 1: You might remember this is like the Emmy award winning governor,

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Speaker 1: because why would you get an Emmy for talking about

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Speaker 1: I think that that's important to mention because that just

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Speaker 1: goes to show how much power he had. He had

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Speaker 1: the entire Hollywood establishment behind him. He still does, and

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Speaker 1: that's why it's important to have these conversations about powerful

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Speaker 1: people that take advantage of their position and why that

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Speaker 1: should be really disqualifying for future public office. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who had to step away because

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Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, Andrew Cuomo has

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Speaker 1: Lindsey for joining me today. Lindsay, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: It's you know, I think it's something that a lot

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Speaker 1: running for president and someone asked her about harassment, and

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Speaker 1: she said, every woman who has been in business has

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Speaker 2: That is true. Yeah. I mean I worked in the

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Speaker 2: public sector of private sector and you know, musical finance

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Speaker 2: after business school. And I like to say, I don't

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Speaker 2: some version of sexual harassment in every job I've had,

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Speaker 2: but it was never as pervasive and had the entire

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Speaker 2: So it was just of a magnitude that I can't

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Speaker 1: That to me is the scary thing. I think it's different.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had experienced it in manufacturing, and I

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Speaker 1: I mean, the political scene is a totally different scene

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Speaker 2: No, no. And I will say I'm a democrat. I

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Speaker 2: And I could be asked to lead the state's recovery

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Speaker 2: something I did, or I could be sexually dressed, and

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Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, when you have a snake

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo. And I think it's really important to say

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Speaker 2: we cannot be partisan about this issue. You know, the

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Speaker 2: bad guys in power are bad for all of us,

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Speaker 2: ultimately resonated, was because these are all these women. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, I'm the old lady of the crew,

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Speaker 2: I also have the most privilege of a platform to

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Speaker 2: myself who he's harassed continuously, even through the court system,

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Speaker 2: requesting gynological records. Another victim of his, yes, a young victim,

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Speaker 2: he sought dynological records from her simply because she accused

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Speaker 2: So much for a guy who purports to be a

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Speaker 2: into that, what kind of law enforcement politicians sexually harasses

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Speaker 2: And it just it's so beyond. When the physical harassment

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Speaker 2: I am not, because I don't want to have anything

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Speaker 2: to deal with this gross man. He's proceeded to attack

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Speaker 2: though he's the one who abused us to begin with.

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Speaker 2: So it's just it's beyond disgusting.

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Speaker 1: And I think, see, you're exposing something that I don't

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Speaker 1: think that a lot of people understand. And this is

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Speaker 1: why you've heard rumblings and you've probably heard this too,

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Speaker 1: rumblings of this congressional slush fund that was used for

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Speaker 1: I mean, and sadly, a bipartisan slush fund, because this

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Speaker 1: is not a partisan issue. This is a scumbag issue,

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Speaker 1: and it can be a scumbag in any party. And

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Speaker 1: this goes from I mean, we've heard stories anywhere from kids,

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Speaker 1: But again, using taxpayer money to get out of committing

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Speaker 1: And then you told me something before we got on

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Speaker 1: that is even more shocking to me. He's allowed to

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Speaker 1: now you're having to defend yourself against him, even though

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not suing him. I don't want anything to

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Speaker 2: him ever. Again, I don't want anything from him, including

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Speaker 2: what people often say of women who come forward is

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Speaker 2: that we want money. Well, I've paid one point five

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Speaker 2: not involved in. That I would be surprised if that

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Speaker 2: And I think I just want to point that out

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Speaker 2: I think the leadership and the state senators put some

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Speaker 2: But as you point out with you know, even in Congress,

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Speaker 2: And even though I was a high ranking official, high

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Speaker 2: I can't avail myself of that. So it's just this,

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Speaker 2: it's too extreme that I think people can't even really

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Speaker 1: You cannot make it up.

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Speaker 2: You cannot make it up. And she also appeared Rita Glavin.

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Speaker 2: She appeared at his one of his announcements when he

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Speaker 2: felt compelled by seeing me and saying that's not right.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't have happened to her, and felt bad. But

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Speaker 2: think about women. Predominantly, a majority of these women are

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Speaker 2: significantly younger than I am. I'm the old lady of

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Speaker 2: the group. He was being a predator with these young women,

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Speaker 2: mostly in either one of their first jobs at a

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Speaker 1: Like you say, you were senior staff, so you had

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Speaker 1: worked to a point. It wasn't like you I mean,

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Speaker 1: the point is you were at a level where you

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Speaker 2: a sociopath. So I do think the majority of people

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Speaker 2: go in it too help. I think he went into

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Speaker 2: it because it was the family business, and it was

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Speaker 2: a way for him to continue amassing power, and he

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Speaker 2: knew how to do it by bullying people. Well.

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Speaker 1: And I know that you have bonded with Janistine over

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Speaker 1: her own situation.

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Speaker 2: She is awesome, She's amazing.

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Speaker 1: That woman is such a fighter, and I think that

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Speaker 1: people people overlook her concern because they go, oh, you

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Speaker 1: know what, COVID was a tragedy. So many people ended

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Speaker 1: up losing people. But I think we're in somewhat of

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Speaker 1: a similar situation. I was here in Michigan, you guys.

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Speaker 1: In New York, the governors both put COVID positive patients

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Speaker 1: into nursing homes. Guomo even stopped the practice before Whitmer did.

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Speaker 1: But I also lost my grandmother in.

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Speaker 2: The nursing know that. I'm sorry I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: And I think back about it, and I think that

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Speaker 1: we were complacent at the time because we were all,

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Speaker 1: you know, panicked, and we didn't have the information. You know,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have the information that the governors had. The

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Speaker 1: other governors didn't do this, and Janesis complaint is valid

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Speaker 1: because they had information we didn't have. And I look

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Speaker 1: back at right before, when we were saying goodbye to

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Speaker 1: my grandmother standing at the window of her nursing home,

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Speaker 1: looking down the row and seeing other families standing at

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Speaker 1: the windows, and I look back on that and I

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Speaker 1: think these people had information that they And when you

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Speaker 1: say he didn't care, I mean that's how that happens,

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Speaker 1: you know, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I think now there is such a desire

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Speaker 2: to not hold people like my governor at least in

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Speaker 2: my case is the case I know very familiar with

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Speaker 2: accountable because Democratic leaders think that it'll make them look bad,

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Speaker 2: so there's so much selfishness here. I followed not just

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Speaker 2: because I loved Janison, because I care about this tremendous

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Speaker 2: wrong that happened to so many families like yours. But

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Speaker 2: I wanted to see what he was going to do

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Speaker 2: with this interview on the Select Committee on COVID, and

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Speaker 2: I was surprised that the Democrats said anything critical that

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Speaker 2: shows the extent to which he did things really wrong,

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Speaker 2: you know, forcing the nursing homes to accept these people,

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Speaker 2: lying about the numbers of debt related to nursing home,

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Speaker 2: the nursing home policy, and lying about his awareness, his

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Speaker 2: personal awareness of this policy, and lying about the extent

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Speaker 2: to which he knew the number of differentials. I mean,

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Speaker 2: as you may, you probably know, he's been referred for

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Speaker 2: criminal prosecution by the House Select Committee. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's just kind of funny because we are where we

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Speaker 2: are in New York City to some extent, because there

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Speaker 2: is a concern amongst several people that Eric Adams cannot

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Speaker 2: be an effective independent leader. What you know, policy aside

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Speaker 2: that he cannot make decisions for the city as a

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Speaker 2: whole because he's more concerned about his own personal you know,

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Speaker 2: potential issues with the you know, the Department of Justice

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Speaker 2: and the like.

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Speaker 1: So how is that different exactly?

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Speaker 2: That's where what I really want to drive One of

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Speaker 2: the things I really want to drive home is if

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Speaker 2: you think that is a problem, you know, some Turkish flights,

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Speaker 2: maybe some upgrades. I'm not demeaning these I'm not diminishing

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Speaker 2: these things. What do you think is going to happen

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Speaker 2: with a mayor of New York City who has been

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Speaker 2: found by the Biden DOJ to have harassed thirteen women

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Speaker 2: who worked for him and created a sexually toxic environment.

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Speaker 2: A mayor of New York in andercuomo if he were

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Speaker 2: to win, which I don't think he's going to because

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Speaker 2: we're going to fight against it, but who has been

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Speaker 2: referred for criminal prosecution and for lying to Congress. So

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Speaker 2: what do you think is going to happen with a

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Speaker 2: man who has all of these outstanding judicial issues at

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Speaker 2: the federal level? And what do you think is going

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Speaker 2: to happen there? You think you're going to have a

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Speaker 2: more independent leader than the guy who has some problems

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Speaker 2: with campaign finance.

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Speaker 1: Well, and these are all things that reflect on his leadership.

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Speaker 1: Like he's a known quantity. And I think that's the

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Speaker 1: thing that frustrates women. It's like when you have the receipts,

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Speaker 1: this guy is a known quantity. He did this in office,

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Speaker 1: and not only did he do things personally that were wrong,

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Speaker 1: but professionally also that we're wrong. He handled situations inappropriately

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Speaker 1: as governor. How could you possibly hand him another elected position?

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Speaker 1: But there is power in that name, and that is

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Speaker 1: the scary thing is how manipulative that can be on

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Speaker 1: both sides, how manipulative these commercials are and the attacks

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Speaker 1: on the other side. And yet the media is not

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Speaker 1: coming out like you think they would and say, dude,

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Speaker 1: come on, you've got it, You're done.

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Speaker 2: There's a little too much stenography right now. And I

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Speaker 2: one thing that you know, people ask about poles. What

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Speaker 2: do you make of the few poles that have been

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Speaker 2: put out that put him ahead? Well, the best I

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Speaker 2: can tell, aside from the recent Quinnipiac poll, they were

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Speaker 2: all polls put out either by his campaign, people related

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Speaker 2: to him, or another campaign that benefits from painting him

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Speaker 2: as the big, bad wolf. To be, so I think

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Speaker 2: that's totally irrelevant. The Quinnipiac piece. Basically, if someone has

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent name recognition and all they have on

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Speaker 2: the outset, when they're the only one of that name recognition,

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Speaker 2: they only have thirty percent support, that's not a good number.

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Speaker 2: And in a rank choice voting system, which is still

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Speaker 2: new for us in New York, we're still trying to

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Speaker 2: understand it. The objective that I have and that others

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Speaker 2: like me have is one, make sure everyone does not

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Speaker 2: rank him because he's a monster.

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Speaker 1: I was watching some of your videos and for those

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Speaker 1: of us who are not, I was like, Okay, wait,

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Speaker 1: how does this exactly work? So do you have to

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Speaker 1: do you have to rank five because it can go

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Speaker 1: to five or how does that work?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And and I try to explain it because this

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Speaker 2: is only our second mayor election we've had ranked choice voting,

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Speaker 2: and it is a little bit different. And I also

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Speaker 2: think that polling, even if it were completely independent, doesn't

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Speaker 2: factor in ranked choice voting at all. So at the

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Speaker 2: primary level, in this case, the Democratic primary, because I'm

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Speaker 2: a Democrat, we're talking man Andrew Cuomo. When people show

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Speaker 2: up on the day of to vote, or they do

550
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Speaker 2: early voting, they're going to be presented with five slots

551
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Speaker 2: to fill for the mayor's position. And you know, we're

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Speaker 2: telling everyone. I think, you know, we just had I

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Speaker 2: just saw a letter come out this morning from over

554
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty Democratic elected Leaders committee members in

555
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Speaker 2: the city not to rank him. So that's the first objective,

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Speaker 2: to not rank him as one of these five. But

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Speaker 2: then also, you know, and I'll explain why people need

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Speaker 2: to fill out all five of those slots in a

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Speaker 2: ranked choice voting system, particularly because there are so any

560
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Speaker 2: candidates and for those who are not in New York

561
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Speaker 2: are not familiar. Eric Adams won the current mayor and

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Speaker 2: one in the first ranked choice voting process in one

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Speaker 2: of the very late rounds, and they he only won

564
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Speaker 2: by a few thousands, so we almost had a different mayor.

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Speaker 2: And when I say different rounds, they what is to

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Speaker 2: simplify what happens is, let's say you put your five

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Speaker 2: candidates on there, and your first candidate that you know

568
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Speaker 2: is the lowest, gets the lowest votes in the first

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Speaker 2: round of ranked choice vote counting, they're out. So then

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Speaker 2: they go to all the people who put that person

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Speaker 2: who's out on first on their ballot, and they see

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Speaker 2: who their next first person is, and so all of

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Speaker 2: these things accumulate, and we need people to fill out

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Speaker 2: all five positions. So you know, some might say, lindsay

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Speaker 2: I only like Brad or I only like Zelner or

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Speaker 2: a different candidate. I'm only going to fill them out.

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Speaker 2: It's really important that people fill out all five because

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Speaker 2: if you don't, and let's say you're two candidates that

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Speaker 2: you list, they're out immediately, your vote ends up not

580
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Speaker 2: counting for mayor. You don't end up having to say

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Speaker 2: for mayor. So it is a complicated system. I do

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Speaker 2: also think that that is in no way reflected and

583
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Speaker 2: polling right now. But it's going to be interesting, really

584
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Speaker 2: hard to pull for. Yes, yeah, you can't. And I

585
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Speaker 2: will tell you this. This letter that I mentioned to

586
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Speaker 2: you was signed by you know, as I said, almost

587
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Speaker 2: two hundred individual leaders political clubs in the city. That's

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Speaker 2: a big deal to just have a letter entirely signed

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Speaker 2: about an anti Cuomo. And I would say the top

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Speaker 2: you know, the five candidates that I have thus far

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Speaker 2: given public matching funds too, because I want someone to

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Speaker 2: beat him. That I am willing to have as mayor.

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Speaker 2: All of those five appear to be willing to coordinate

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Speaker 2: with other campaigns, and they're all saying, don't rank and

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Speaker 2: Puomo to a certain extent, and they're all saying, rank

596
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Speaker 2: five people and put us first, and then you can

597
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: put these other people first. So I would suspect as

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Speaker 2: the primary goes on, you will not only continue to

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Speaker 2: see this Antiquomo message, but a big part of that

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Speaker 2: is going to be the candidates themselves sending anti Cuomo

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Speaker 2: and saying rink all five. And you know, maybe you

602
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Speaker 2: will see two candidates who are particularly aligned to do

603
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Speaker 2: a lot more together and the like, and that's how

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Speaker 2: he's going to be beat.

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Speaker 2: It is a lot. I don't know it, you know,

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Speaker 2: I really go by who will receive public matching funds.

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Speaker 2: It's an eight to one match and I think this

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Speaker 2: Thursday is the next filing deadline. So you know, as

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Speaker 2: I said, I've donated to five candidates I have on

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Speaker 2: my list that I think would be really would be

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Speaker 2: good mayors and are viable in terms of the potential support.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I'm focused on. But there are more

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Speaker 2: than five. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, we are definitely going to be watching and we'll

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Speaker 1: continue to spread the news because I obviously I want

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Speaker 1: to support women and I think you, as I said,

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Speaker 1: I've experienced this, and for those of you listening, if

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Speaker 1: you don't know what it's like to be in an

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Speaker 1: office like this, talk to women in your life. I

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Speaker 1: promise you they've experienced it, and they will if they

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Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, they'll go, yeah, that is that's

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Speaker 1: the conundrum. And also it's frustrating to me because you

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Speaker 1: know that this happens in I mean we hear about

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Speaker 1: it in DC all the time. Yes, And I would

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Speaker 1: also encourage people who are elected when they see other

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Speaker 1: elected people call it out, because you have the power.

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Speaker 1: It's different for someone outside of the staff to go, hey,

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Speaker 1: knock it off. And that's meaningful to every woman out

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Speaker 1: there that's trying to actually make some of her career.

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Speaker 1: And it's so unfair to have your life's work robbed

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if it's a it's a notorious

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Speaker 2: predator like Andrew Cuomo, everyone around him knows it. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: everyone who was in a senior, you know, elected position

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Speaker 2: I went to work for the state and the governor,

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Speaker 2: and maybe this would be the last thing I share.

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Speaker 2: It just very chilling. There's an organization called ABNEY, an

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Speaker 2: Association for Better New York, and it brings together you know,

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Speaker 2: business leaders, real estate leaders, political leaders in the city.

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Speaker 2: And the woman who was the head of it at

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Speaker 2: when I got the job, working my first job working

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Speaker 2: for the state, not directly for him, she said, be careful,

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Speaker 2: stay away from the governor. He has a women problem.

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Speaker 2: And I just had to kill a story in the

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Speaker 2: New York Times with him about him and women. And

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Speaker 2: I didn't at the time focus on it because I

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Speaker 2: wasn't going to go work for him directly. It ended

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Speaker 2: up I was slowly broad into his you know, fish tank,

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately all the bad things happen to me. But

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Speaker 2: this is this man's abuse of women in particular, and

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Speaker 2: his abuse in general is an open story in any

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Speaker 2: powerful New York circle that you know, and that is

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Speaker 2: what truly discussed me too. Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming out and sharing. I

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Speaker 1: know this is hard and I appreciate it. Lindsay Boylan,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and I appreciate your time. We need to

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Speaker 2: get the word out and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, and thank you all for joining

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