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Speaker 1: Welcome to Ruthie's Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 1: Adamized Studios.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to an evening with Ruthie Rogers

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Speaker 2: and Martha Stewart on the River Cafe. Look book for

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Speaker 2: Ruthie's Table four podcast. Award winning chef and best selling

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Speaker 2: cookbook author Ruthie Rogers launched The River Cafe in London

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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 3: A week ago today, I was in New York with

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Speaker 3: Martha Stewart doing a live podcast.

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Speaker 2: Marta Stewart is the founder of the first multi channel

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Speaker 2: lifestyle Come.

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Speaker 4: About Cooking, About Magazines, about.

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Speaker 3: Author of books about each other and our careers and food.

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Speaker 2: Reaching more than one hundred million devoted fans on a

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Speaker 2: monthly basis through her magazines, television shows, books and products

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Speaker 2: for the home, Martha is a go to source for

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Speaker 2: the homemaker. Please join me in welcoming Ruthie and Martha.

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Speaker 3: Imagine for a moment you are Martha Stuart. It is

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two, and you're the most important woman in.

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Speaker 4: The world of food.

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Speaker 3: You are beautiful, you're funny, and you say yourself that

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Speaker 3: your best quality is your curiosity. So maybe it was

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Speaker 3: that curiosity which made you drive twenty five minutes from

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Speaker 3: your hotel in London to a small restaurant in a

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Speaker 3: warehouse on the Thames, which had opened just a few

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Speaker 3: years before, run by two women whose only culinary experience

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Speaker 3: was cooking for their families. Now imagine how these women

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Speaker 3: Rose Gray and Ruthie Rogers felt when Martha Stuart booked

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Speaker 3: a table for lunch. They were anxious, excited, and probably

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Speaker 3: a bit overwhelmed. To day, being here together on this

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Speaker 3: I can possibly say.

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Speaker 5: This is a long time ago. Nineteen wouldn't I first?

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Speaker 5: Nineteen ninety two? That's it seems like yesterday, But it's

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Speaker 5: actually was a long time ago. And I was a

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Speaker 5: divorce a and my first big trip to London after

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Speaker 5: I got divorced and started my own company, I met men,

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Speaker 5: really nice men, and I read and I read in

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Speaker 5: your book. I read in your book you who You're

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Speaker 5: really fun to see that well or all I looked online,

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Speaker 5: you know, but yeah, people you're grateful to. But like

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Speaker 5: I did, I did not have an affair with Michael Caine.

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Speaker 5: But I did have affair. But I did have an

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Speaker 5: affair with one of his best friends, and Terry Donovan,

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Speaker 5: No Neil the photographer, remember him. He was great and

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Speaker 5: he sort of introduced me to the nice crowd in London. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I had so much fun. It was a big house party,

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Speaker 5: can't even believe that was me, because it was. It was,

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Speaker 5: but it was so much fun. But we but we

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Speaker 5: ate at that We ate at this restaurant that was

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Speaker 5: so exquisite because there's two ladies dressed in their stiff

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Speaker 5: River Cafe Look Book, and I open it up and

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Speaker 5: I say, oh shit, she beat me to it. And

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Speaker 5: make the food in the book it's my hundred favorite recipes.

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Speaker 3: And then we put the recipes at the back and

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Speaker 3: I said to someone who helps me, I said, can

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Speaker 3: find a book. And they came back with Housekeeping six

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Speaker 4: You wake up in the morning. Do you know what

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Speaker 3: I know, wake your bed, get rid of the clutter.

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Speaker 3: If anybody wants to write here fan mail, I'd love

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Speaker 4: I think that Housekeeping have eye. You've seen it. It

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Speaker 5: It's about that homekeeping handbook.

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Speaker 3: I love it is the best tells you there's you know,

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Speaker 3: telling him that that a lot of us whose mother's

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Speaker 4: Well, we know that, you know, it's easier.

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Speaker 3: But I think that what Martha really did teach us

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Speaker 4: And I think it's very important.

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Speaker 5: It's a huge Like my friends don't know to use

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Speaker 3: So Martha, can you tell me about your family? Can

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Speaker 5: Did you well? I grew up with mom and dad

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Speaker 4: And did the dishes afternoon, And.

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Speaker 4: Did your father cook?

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Speaker 5: Dad made breakfasts, but you would you know. He would

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Speaker 5: So that the early years, I'm getting silly. This is

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Speaker 4: What do you think they were? Did you have a grandmother?

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Speaker 5: Well, Grandma Grandma Helen lived down the street, so she

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Speaker 5: Not at all, Because I got married when I was nineteen.

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Speaker 5: It was a lot of fun. And I cooked everything

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Speaker 5: all the time, did you oh yeah? And dinner parties cool?

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Speaker 4: Did your husband cook?

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Speaker 5: No, no, he didn't, but he liked to eat.

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Speaker 3: With a large family and the kind of life you had,

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Speaker 4: But did you go to restaurants?

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Speaker 4: And so when did you start going to restaurants day?

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Speaker 3: What do you take your children out to restaurants?

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Speaker 5: Oh, they love to go out restaurants. Yeah, they love.

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Speaker 4: Fine food, two grandchildren.

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Speaker 5: Yes, especially Japanese food. They have very very good taste.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think it's.

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Speaker 3: Bad when I say I don't order in, I don't

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Speaker 3: so judge it because I see my kids.

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Speaker 4: Do my kids do.

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Speaker 5: When I go into a restaurant to take out that's

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Speaker 5: lined up on the counter. Yeah, maybe it's just not

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Speaker 5: my habit to order it.

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Speaker 3: But I think that your mother probably hasn't. Has she

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Speaker 3: have any of your mothers? Do you think it might

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Speaker 3: be really generational? Because it is, but it goes back

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Speaker 3: to your mother. It is really hard to work cold

446
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Speaker 3: day or as many people you know work the night

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Speaker 3: shift or have to go to work. You know, the

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Speaker 3: image that we all have that everybody should sit down

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Speaker 3: and eat a home cooked meal.

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Speaker 4: It's really hard.

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Speaker 3: It is really hard, and I think judge who don't

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Speaker 3: do it isn't fair the.

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Speaker 5: People who do go home and put a good meal

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Speaker 5: on the.

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Speaker 3: Table, and also respect the ones who can. I do

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Speaker 3: you know, because I think maybe you'd prefer to do

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Speaker 3: homework with your kid and cook a meal, or maybe,

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Speaker 3: as I said, you have to leave at five to

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Speaker 3: go work at Amazon, or you know that it's a

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Speaker 3: tough world outbout going back, And so you went to Barnard,

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Speaker 3: you get married, and then when did the thought of

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Speaker 3: actually all the knowledge that you had from your mother

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Speaker 3: and from your past and your experience, when did that

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Speaker 3: come into the idea of actually you do that full time?

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Speaker 5: Oh that took a while because I took some detours,

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Speaker 5: like to Wall Street, I learned how to learn how

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Speaker 5: to be a common stockbroker. And I traveled a lot

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Speaker 5: and tasted foods all over the world and fell in

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Speaker 5: love with different cuisines and tried to learn how to

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Speaker 5: how to make those things. That was all more hobby

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Speaker 5: than profession. And then I then I guess. Let me see,

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Speaker 5: I was already forty when I wrote my first book,

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I was old by the time I wrote

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Speaker 5: my first book. I was.

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Speaker 4: I was thirty eight when I started really Cafe.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so we're late bloomers. We're going to colleges

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Speaker 5: would call you a late bloomer, late bloom I think

478
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Speaker 5: they called me a late blueber.

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Speaker 4: Probably when I was eighteen. Anyways, it was like fourteen.

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Speaker 3: But I think that it is interesting how the two

481
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Speaker 3: of us, you know, we didn't go I didn't go

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Speaker 3: to cooking school, and I certainly didn't have the background

483
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Speaker 3: that you had.

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Speaker 5: And I had been maligned for not having gone to

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Speaker 5: cooking school. And I had been maligned for not knowing

486
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Speaker 5: how to do this or do that. But my best

487
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Speaker 5: team have you been mindlind like crazy, but well, you know,

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Speaker 5: getting advice to not having Yeah, just because I didn't

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Speaker 5: have an I didn't have a culinary education.

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Speaker 4: I didn't so very male at that time.

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Speaker 5: Oh it was very male. But I don't want to

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Speaker 5: get into that stuff because that I don't hold any

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Speaker 5: grudges and it's a fact, except yes, it is a fact. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It was kind of crazy because I learned from watching.

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Speaker 5: I'm a really good observer and I have had the

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Speaker 5: opportunity in my career with the TV shows to have

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Speaker 5: the finest chefs in the world cooking with me. And

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Speaker 5: Nobu even gave me a sushi jacket because he thought

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Speaker 5: I did very well with a sushi knife and the fish.

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Speaker 5: He let me cut sushi behind his bar on fifty

501
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Speaker 5: seventh Street. That's pretty high praise. But that's the kind

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Speaker 5: of thing I like to learn from watching and learning

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Speaker 5: with the finest of the you know, the finest chefs

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Speaker 5: in the world.

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Speaker 4: So what happened when you were forty? What was the act?

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Speaker 5: Well, I decided I would write a book, and I

507
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Speaker 5: wrote I was catering. I was doing a lot of catering.

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Speaker 4: Catering, Yes, oh yeah, when did that start?

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Speaker 5: That started in my mid thirties.

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Speaker 4: You just had that start that I.

511
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Speaker 5: Retired from Wall Street and I had to do something.

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Speaker 5: So I started a catering business, which probably I should

513
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Speaker 5: have stayed in Wall Street and you know, run General

514
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Speaker 5: Electric or something, but just just in retrospect it would

515
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Speaker 5: be sort of fun. But moved to Silicon Valle. Catering

516
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Speaker 5: is the worst job on earth, and it's sort of

517
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Speaker 5: like being a stockbroker. All you're doing is paying attention

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Speaker 5: to an individual at a specific time and and it's

519
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Speaker 5: all it's all about money and getting the stuff done

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Speaker 5: on time. And it was it was a pretty horrible business.

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Speaker 5: But you're building a restaurant every night and tearing it

522
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Speaker 5: down at the end of the evening and loading it

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Speaker 5: into the car. And I knew my marriage was over

524
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Speaker 5: the night I drove back into the driveway on Turkey

525
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Speaker 5: Hill Road and nobody came out to help. That was

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Speaker 5: I knew it was over. But that's what That's what

527
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Speaker 5: happened because I was devoted to the work. And then

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Speaker 5: that's when I started thinking, what can I do to

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Speaker 5: make something that my children, my grandchildren and grandchildren might

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Speaker 5: know their grandma for And that was to write a

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Speaker 5: book Entertaining.

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Speaker 4: Entertaining that nice book is a really nice book.

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Speaker 5: So that was published in nineteen eighty two. It's forty

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Speaker 5: years old this year, forty years old.

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Speaker 3: Food is alleviating hunger, food is political. It's also comfort.

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Speaker 3: And so my last question to you, my darling woman,

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Speaker 3: is when you need comfort, is there food you turn to?

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Speaker 5: Probably the bowl of eggs in my kitchen.

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Speaker 4: How would they?

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Speaker 5: Well? I raised my own chickens, and I raise my

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Speaker 5: own eggs, and the eggs are so delicious and no

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Speaker 5: matter how you cook them, they're good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see you today as a comfort. Martha Stewart, Thank.

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Speaker 5: You, so great to see you too after.

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