WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part Eight (Friday) 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.240 Alzo Media. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.480 And Bam, thank you, ma'am, im ed zechron and this 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.920 is Better Offlines coverage of the Consumer Electronics Show twenty 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:26.040 twenty six. We are now as we have been all 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.400 week here in the Palazzo Hotel and beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada, 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.880 bringing you yet another episode covering c YES with a 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.120 crazy assortment of guests from the tech industry. We've got 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:35.959 an open bar, we've got tacos, a place to sit 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:37.879 down for members of the media and friends, whether they 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.400 join us on the microphone or not. It's Friday, and 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.120 we're on the first of our final two episode days. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.920 And I mean, that wasn't perfect, but you're just gonna 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.440 like it. Then an epilogue tomorrow and good lord, do 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.720 we have a wonderful show for you or we're beginning 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.120 very strong. The first contestants on the Better Offline Challenge 0:00:55.480 --> 0:01:00.240 are the legendary activist, author, and journalist Corey doctro me 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.840 all today you speak, say hello. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.360 Oh hello, I wasn't sure if I was meant to 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:05.040 speak at this point. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:12.760 Hi, natural, Natural, And of course returning champion listener favorite 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.120 Sherlan lower vengall. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.400 Listen her favorite, that's a strong introduction. I'm not sure 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:18.120 I deserve it. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:22.679 It's completely actually. Another listener favorite, Michael Fisher, the YouTuber 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:27.679 and CEO of Clicks. Now, that's ceo, co found co founded, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.959 my bad buddy, A doesn't matter titles that we don't do, 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:31.120 we don't just fine. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:41.240 You're a helocracy like Tony Vegas favorite fe Admiral Admiral rear, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:46.360 admiral well well. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.640 Court martialed, but the Clicks So all right, I've had 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.040 a lot of people in myil in So just to 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:52.960 be clear, Michael's my friend. He's been on the show 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.480 a lot, had him on in his capacity's journalist still 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.160 here as well for that. But you are you are 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.880 the co founder of clicks, and you've got a little 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.320 device with you. I do, indeed, I have actually several devices. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.800 Yes we add that thing. Thanks man. I was so 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.920 worried because I was like, I'm a Canadian, so blackberries 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:09.600 are in my soul. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:09.919 Right. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.160 This is a physical keyboard for the iPhone and for 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:14.320 Android phones. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:15.839 Which were two years ago. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.000 I have it on a motoroal eraser now, which is fun. Flips, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.680 but the I love the flipp I know you and 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.040 I agree on the fold. I just want, and I'm like, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:25.360 I message on them, I don't. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.120 Care it's coming. I know it must be coming. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:28.440 Give me a foldable I phone. 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.640 Everyone's saying the iphon phone, give me. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.399 My foldable slot. No, I'm so you've got this thing 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.560 that connects to the Mac. Say for the what have 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.120 you charge of the thing is? 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.880 We we made custom molded cases with the keyboard attached 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.080 for several iPhones several andro and everyone was like, this 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.320 is great, but I don't carry that phone. And we 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.040 were like, yeah, this is great, but it costs a 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:49.760 lot of money to mold a custom case with a 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.919 keyboard for every phone. So we broke out the keyboard 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.640 into a little custom puck called power keys that. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.800 Everyone's grabbing out their iPhones now removing. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.120 Try just slap it right on the back there and 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.520 it bonds via Bluetooth and gives you that. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:13.200 So if you my region is not there's your target 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.240 zone there. Wait is this are you giving me your phone? 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.400 You do not have someone hand me a device for 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.960 this audio podcast, So go ahead, but you also have 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:29.600 the Android device that's where the actual clicks device it 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.880 does work. So uh, we're just gonna which can move 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.960 on from that so but you've done like a dedicated 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.280 Android direct thing. Yes, it's called the Clicks Communicator. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.640 It is actually a phone that Yes, it is a 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.520 four inch screen with a big, full, quirdy keyboard underneath it. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.480 People are calling it the new BlackBerry, but that is not, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:51.200 of course. Jim Jim, who was the Yeah, yeah, no, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.560 I was just talking to me yesterday. Yes, were you really? 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:54.920 Yes? 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:55.840 Yeah? 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.240 Yeah, literally we had a phone call this episode, all right. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.520 So they it's it's optimized for communication. It's optimized for 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.480 people who carry two phones already and want one of 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:04.960 them to be. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.120 More focused on communication than content. So you got a 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:08.840 nice big screen, just describing it for the less, this 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.600 nice big screen, it's decent, way a lot. You've got 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.440 this raised bit of the bit at the back. It's 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:13.960 quite nice. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.080 Little little little stippled the backplate here. And I will 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.920 say two which is which is what we like? 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.320 Yeah, I will also say the keyboard feels better than 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:26.080 the original Clicks. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.440 We've increased the key size by thirty percent. If you 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.400 can believe that you're ready for the spectrum. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.280 And I will say this, like I don't use the 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.000 original Clicks because like, weirdly like the case didn't feel right. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.320 It's just a personal thing. And I have like weird 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.799 little thumbs, like they're not long enough for most gloves. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.800 Because I'm a monster, I understand, But these this thing. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.440 I like this. In Caleb from Kill the Computer, who 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.080 is specifically asked about this, I like it. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.960 I think it's cool. So who's aimed at people who 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.520 carry two phones? So you ever see people walking around, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.680 like make captive two phones, right, but you see people 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.480 walking around with the picks on an iPhone or two iPhones, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.159 and neither one is optimized for the actual task that 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.880 it's trying to do. So we're not trying to compete 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:05.400 with the phone with a great camera and a big 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.800 old display. We're trying to make a communications tool. So 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.160 what I like about this though, is it runs Android, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.800 but we've you know, added a custom launcher on top 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:13.960 with the folks at Niagara. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.320 You ever use that one? Can you say it? And 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:16.839 I want to want to play around? I cannot. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.840 That's a touch and feel sample. That's how early this 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.400 thing is. We don't launch it till later in the year. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.000 But like Niagara has this beautiful aesthetic list and it's 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.880 not a it's on Nicon based os. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.240 It is a distraction scroll, isn't it like that? Because 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.200 that's the thing I would I'm a little I'm a 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.480 little hog with my devices. I love my keyboards and 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.760 my dad's and the like. Yes, And also there are 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.000 times when I will use like a like I have 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.000 like old laptops that I'll use if I just want 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.640 to focus on writing. And I would love something that 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.760 was just for like my iPad has like very stripped 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.120 down notifications times, so I can just focus on sitting 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.120 on the couch froom playing like ball lex Pit or 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.360 Rogue Dead Zone Rope my two favorite games of last year. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.640 And I just want to chat ship with a friend, yes, 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.400 or like just send a silly a single purpose device 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:02.800 on a purpose and it's. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.919 Kind of a luxury thing though it's not for everyone. No, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.880 absolutely not, And neither was the first click Like that's 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.400 the same. We've always made products for a small segment 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.160 of the market, but as long as one in one 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.000 thousands exactly. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:13.320 Yeah. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.320 But I'm pretty excited for Communicator because I was terrified 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:17.599 of it. You know, you work on something for so 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.560 long and you're not sure if it's good anymore. What's 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.920 out it is out later in the year. It's going 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.640 to be second half, but late second half. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.400 My wife gave me an Olivetti Valentine. What is that 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:33.360 manual typewriter nineteen sixty seven in MoMA Bright Cherry Red 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.160 has an integrated case that it slides out of. There's 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.200 you know photos of like Twiggy carrying it through the 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:45.800 Panams terminal at JFK and idle wild beautiful machine. And 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:52.200 I've been rehearsing my manual typewriter performance. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.440 Can I ask you a really stupid question? Yeah, what 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.040 happens to you typo on a typewriter? 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:58.760 You type an X. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:06.359 I had the typewriters that's right in the in the 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.760 type and it has the most beautiful when you reach 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:11.760 the end of the line. 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:13.320 Oh, I never had the thing one. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.640 It's got a red ribbon and a black ribbon, so 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.480 it's got like a two side ribbon. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.600 And you go up and love for it, and. 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.280 Then you have to you have to get the key 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.840 with a snap. It's not how hard you hit it, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.400 it's how it risk comes back you hit it and 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.440 then then you get a nice clean impression with the 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.920 So that is a genuinely single purpose device I'm really 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:33.400 enjoying that. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:34.880 And it's and it's meant. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.720 To be a luggable. You can just slap it around. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.720 And Michael, I need to ask the doesn't there a 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.440 device called the Peak once? Yes, the Peak? 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.720 Right, it was an email only like BlackBerry esque device. Sorry, 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.680 I could also use it for Twitter. No, no, no, no, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.480 I actually have one Ivy Green but green Guard let 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.560 me borrow his. I have to cover it on mister 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:52.800 mobile and my wind phones were fine. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.160 And here it is. It's it. Yeah, it's like a 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.720 little little screen and I like this. I like this 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.720 because like, look, you're not trying to pretend this is 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.240 for for one, you're not trying at all. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.600 And yeah, no you're not going to replace your pixel 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.360 or iPhone with it. You're going to carry it alongside it, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:06.760 or you're going to carry it instead of it on 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.040 the weekends or the weekdays as the case. Maybe someone 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.680 uses as that daily driver. Always kind of limited. No, 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.280 it absolutely, it runs hundred sixteen, it's five G. It 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.120 has it even has Mike or SD and a headphone 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.960 jack for all the people. And yeah, you want to 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.120 bring back those old features. So yes, you could use 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.520 it as your main and We've heard from people who 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.360 are like, what if I wanted that's been my primary phones? 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.800 Like you can, I think it's lovely. I think it's lovely. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.800 That not because you've you are you and I have 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.760 had some of the deepest like I love the technology stuff. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.400 It's cool. I love the phone. Oh I love tablets 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.440 and all this shit. And you actually made something that 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:37.200 you wanted to use. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.920 Yeah, well, and it's actually got It's got two cameras 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:41.319 so you can scan a QR code. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.319 Absolutely, that's the thing. You can take a picture and 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.080 say this feel the way you want too? 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:45.360 Yes? 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:45.600 Yeah? 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.679 Am I allowed to throw this away? Are these left? 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.479 Is this good? Is this the final final. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.920 Way of it? It's close to final, probably within about 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:53.400 ten grams. 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.720 Only criticism I have is what about the battery? What happens? 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:58.719 Like what kind of warranty? What kind of batteries? So 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.880 the battery is four thousand MILLI empowers. I did push 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.640 for silicon carbon. This is the last time I get 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.599 super nerdy about this because I wanted more get that. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.800 This is my sha and I was like, no way 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.120 we can get it. But it turns out we could 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:08.560 afford it. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.360 It was great. The in terms of the support. I mean, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.040 it's not. It's the only thing we couldn't do is 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.400 a removal battery, because that was kind of why I 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.079 was going at. What does it look like for a 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.560 service depot to swap it? Yeah, yeah, that's a really 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.680 good question. I take it to my guy on the corner. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:22.560 Probably not. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.959 I mean I'm sure that the actually, you know what, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:26.760 just because of what I just said, that's probably not 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.200 the case because silicon carbon is is rare these days, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.800 like i'd say, it's so new, so I don't actually know. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.360 That's one of the fifty million questions. I should have 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:34.960 been prepared for. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.280 This clicks button. So that's a shortcut key. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:38.880 So on all of our products, you hit the clicks 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.200 button and you hit a letter, and you can do 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.160 you can call a friend, you can so much. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.720 I'm serious that this has so much more. I'm not 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.040 just saying this because you want to make because you 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.880 know me well enough, i'd be lock it. I do. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.840 It's got the weight you've given. It actually gives the 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.800 buttons the hef that the clicks case, I. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.040 Think you mean gravitas. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.319 No, not the gravitas, I mean like the physical because 0:09:58.360 --> 0:09:59.920 the other one i'd feel it bend back with my 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.640 kind sure fingers. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.640 Well, when you design the entire thing yourself and you 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.679 don't have to accommodate for a phone in a case 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.760 or another product, you can kind of control that fund. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.200 Also, you'll you'll like this. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.640 I think the keyboard is capacitive, so when you swipe 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.640 your thumb over it, that you can like. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.760 Some of your cases, so you can do the swipe 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.280 stuff over the physical case. Correct, fuck me that that's actually. 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:23.840 Very BlackBerry key one. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.080 Yes, that is right. Really, I'm actually going to send 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.360 this to Gyms right now. I believe. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.240 I believe we've talked to him about it because a 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.000 lot of our alumni or a lot of our employees 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.760 are blacker alumni. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.280 Are they Canadians though, yes, don't trust Canadians speak, don't 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:39.959 trust Canadians. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.080 But all are so nice. Now it's just an act. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:45.640 It's like the South here, that's right. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.200 A question as a as a long time friend of 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.840 Michael Fisher as well, So how rich are you now? 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.280 Well? I stayed at Planet Hollywood if that tells you. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.840 That does tell me a lot. I stayed at the residence. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:04.319 Michael professional question, are you here in capacity as the 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.480 Clicks co founder or are you covering for mister Mobi. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.160 Yes, yes, is the answer both. Yeah, I have to 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.280 split the time evenly. That's what the quiffer is for. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:14.240 It's for a second hat. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:15.600 Absolutely. Yeah. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.240 One here was for being beautiful. You have to apply 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.760 so much hairspray because you're gonna put it. Actually, that's true. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.760 I was doing a John Deere spot because they're my 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.400 sponsor on this one, and I had to put on. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:25.040 A John dear head. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.320 You've got to be on the big tract, and I was. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.760 In fact, I went to visit the combine. Yes, drive 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.760 it away, but it's good. It satisfies my need for novelty. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:34.520 I think you can really. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.160 Yeah, you got some stuff to do. One thing for 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:38.680 ten minutes. It's too long. I gotta go, I gotta 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.000 go do something else. You know. The only thing I 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.440 can do consistently is podcast for two hours. That's the 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.200 only thing. Anything else that I'm just like lost. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.120 You just just give him throat like you're a man 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.079 who turns throat lozenges into podcast. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:54.280 Yeah, yeah, exactly what the skeleton meme the skeleton squat meme. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.319 But how have you felt about the show Michael, what 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.439 have you seen anything else other than your own thing 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:58.800 that you like? 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:03.440 I have to tell you so I cannot stand everything 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.240 about the Las Vegas Strip and ce S is a 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.320 very training show as well. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:07.400 Know. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.480 However, this particular one was so worth coming to based 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.400 on the stuff that was shown. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:13.760 For me. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.600 I got a new foldable phone out of Motorola that 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.480 was InCred you know when you say. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:25.040 You know they made it specifically for me, mister Fisher edition. Yes, exactly. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.080 There was the new pebble or the you know the 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.760 pebble That's what I. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.200 Was going to talk about after this, Oh my god. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:31.839 Yes. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.920 And then as I was wandering between those two things, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.319 I found, you know, there's something called a fidget gadget. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:38.040 Have you all seen this. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.199 It's a little metal cube with like six buttons on 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:48.520 it and smart watch display fidget it's and it's a 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.120 little fidget toy and you can run. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:50.400 You know. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.840 It's like Arcanoid is like developer tools. It's open source. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.760 You can. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:57.239 All mechanicals. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.360 So this is this is new. This is by one 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.600 guy making them in his garage and Ipsilante. It's like 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.080 exactly why I used to love coming to CES. You 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.199 know it's this little stuff. 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.360 I know that. I hear that. I'm like, I wish 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.720 i'd have seen that because that would have made my day. Yes, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.280 so it's just for dicking around with exactly you know 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.600 what toys. If it's a toy, it's a toy. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.520 And that's it, right, you see the guy's not saying 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.160 it's like, well, this is gonna be the I hope 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.920 to usher in a new era for you know, intentional 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.240 It's like, no, I made a toy. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.400 It feels good. It's fun to click and I don't 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.280 know what you can do with it but find out. Yeah, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.920 you could do all sorts of stuff. That's fun. It's awesome. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.920 So you have a good showing as well. You have 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:33.960 a good history with ces as well, Like you've been 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.440 here a lot. Yeah, this this one feels weird to me. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.920 It's felt like a very peculiar show to me, Like 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:41.559 it feels like it's missing something. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:42.640 What do you think is missing? 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:44.760 I don't know. That's why I'm ask like, it's like 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.160 it feels like like bits have been hollowed out. I 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:49.200 think there's a reason for that. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.000 I feel like if people were planning for their cees 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.320 in the first half of the year they were probably 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.760 gonna lean on AI all over again, and I feel 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.880 like there's been a very visible retraction from that, especially 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.680 other than the people who are here well right, no, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.400 I know, but even though like yes, branding, Yeah, it's 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:06.040 not themed. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.120 So your thesis is that there would have been twice 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.800 as much dumb AI shit, Yes, if it wasn't for 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.880 the backlash that it's just the people who are just 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.600 so like balls out, clanker slopper Yep, then. 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.520 I have a different theory as to why something feels missing. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.320 I mean, I think there's a lot missing. I think 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.240 one thing that's really missing is the car side of things. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.400 We had the FELA, but then the the you know, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.960 the expiry or the doing away with the federal text 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.160 credit really dampen a lot of the mood around EV's 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.280 this past years of twenty twenty five, and so Hondo 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.360 was like, we're not coming to see yes this year, 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:42.960 and I think that's kind of set the tone leading 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.800 into CES this year as well. I mean, like there's 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.920 a lot of things not just cars, but that's probably 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.720 like our transport sort of area. We were like assigning 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.440 people to kind of pay attention to on our team. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.200 They were just like there was nothing. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.120 That's so strange it is, do we think that there's 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.440 exhibitors who are like, I don't want to get kidnapped ice. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:02.400 Yeah, I have to wonder if they were a terrif 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.320 l well terrafi late. It is kind of a common 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:05.840 but like immigration. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.040 Lots of events that I'm involved with are saying our 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.880 numbers are way down, and that's at ten D numbers 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.960 right right, and they're just people don't want to come 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.360 any more. Events are now saying, like, you know, a 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.040 lot of New York City events are like, should we 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.080 move to Toronto? New Yorkers won't find it that hard 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:21.600 to get there? 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.720 And then yeah, quite. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.480 Like as a Torontonian New York run by the Swiss. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.960 It's also it's also doesn't help that there's like a 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.280 lot going on outside of CS. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:32.200 Yeah. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.280 At the same time, so like anyone who had those 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.600 fears were not wrong to be a little bit concerned. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.200 And as someone who's like herself an immigrant, like with 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.120 very good legal visas, that is in sight with you, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.400 Yeah exactly. I I was so afraid to travel even 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.000 domestically for a while there and now it's like I've 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.880 I've done a few international trips. I'm na as concerned. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.440 Oh I went through I had to go to Toronto last GM, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.280 and I was like, straight up the whole scared, right, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.560 So every moment in the airport, and then I remembered 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.960 you cleared immigration in Toronto, which is right. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.520 Yes, exactly. I flew through Dublin. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.200 It's like yeah, oh yeah, it's it's grim and it's 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.960 also like that the stuff that has made it it 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.920 feels and I say, this is a CS veteran, and 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:20.520 someone's gonna say the stolen ballot. But even by CS standards, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.920 this feels like a bullshit year. It feels like worse 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.440 than the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen Indie Go Go Kickstarter boom, 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.840 where it was like it's a three D printed kitchen, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.240 you just click the button and a burger come out. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.760 Those ones I almost found, folks see because they were 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.840 like like a straight up snake oil salesman just like, ah, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.600 come here, check my food. Now. It's just like ninety 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.360 seven different GPT wrappers and it's sad. I want my dude, adds, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.040 I want my gizmo. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.520 It's funny because I've seen more gizmos and dude AADs 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.920 here this year. Tell me if that I'm seriously Besides 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.960 fidget Gadget and Pebble, which we've talked about Pebble okay, okay, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.760 besides those, we have this sort of evolved version of 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.480 fidget Gadget which I checked out on a whim. Someone 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.480 said to me while I was demoing clicks to them, 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:05.120 have you seen have you seen Lego? 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.639 Have you seen smart? They must go. I just I 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:09.159 feel that. 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.000 I feel like that's just going to be mountains of 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.200 e waste. And also, isn't the whole. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.000 Point thank you, thank you toy that you just oh wow, 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.640 wait to make you need a Lego. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.840 Room? I have a machine that does the rooming for me. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:24.200 Yes, okay. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.080 And if I had not sat through the entire hour 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.760 long demo, I would have felt exactly the same way 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.600 I went in. I'm like, listen, this will be filler 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.600 for my video. I'll just get some footage. It'll be fun, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.639 it'll be a break between phones. It'll be great. And 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.960 then they demonstrated literally every use case I've ever seen 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.359 a person think about in terms of like, how do 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:44.080 children play? 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.280 How did I used to play? 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.520 I used to remove the machines like this, and then 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.320 then it reacts and then you touch the break to 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:50.760 the other thing, and it knows what the color is, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.080 and it's like it's it's not only smart, but it's 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.040 like smart in a way that a kid will instantly 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:56.720 understand and instantly appreciate. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.560 The e waste thing is the only thing that I 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.159 was like, Wow, man, that's gonna be an. But in 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:05.920 terms of evolving the play experience, I actually go to 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.480 push back. Please, I don't think Lego needs to evolve 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.000 the play experience. I think the whole point of Lego 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.480 is imagination, and I think playing with it and going 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.640 now from from and building deranged things and having things 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.159 in your head. But I understand, to be clear, understand 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:22.840 what they're doing. I'm surprised they haven't done it quick. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.240 I'm sure they haven't. Yeah, I asked. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:26.760 I was like, guys, how long have you been involving this? 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.760 Like eight years? From certain the niama shows. It shows 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.760 in the product I'm telling, and technologically, I think it 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.159 is very interesting to have location of where blocks. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.680 So Bruce Sterling wrote an incredible novel called Distraction that 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.440 everyone should read because it's about fucked up computer mediated 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.600 elections nice and it is one of the most prescient 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.720 books you will read. And in it there are these 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.960 avant garde architects who put a slap bracelet around a 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.200 brick and it starts saying, I am a cornerstone. Take 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.400 me one step to the left, put me down. I'm 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.600 one degree off level. I am now level. Please add 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.119 mortar and a bunch of skilled people can put up 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.119 a building in a day. I rip this off from 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.160 my novel walk Away, and that kind of location awareness 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.160 super interesting and cool. And there are lots of times 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.280 in my life where I would have loved to have 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.360 had this. If you told me that Ikea has figured 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.720 out a way to use low cost electronics to tell 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.960 you when you've got the right two pieces, that would 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:22.560 be amazing. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:24.080 I want to inhabit like. 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:29.240 As a as a child playing imaginatively with construction toys. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.600 I I don't think my play experience would have been 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.919 enhanced by having some of the things that happen in 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.399 my imagination happened with electronics. I will rather get that 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.040 person an Arduino. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.600 So the waste. I think it's a good There is 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.280 actually a solution which is The good news is that 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.960 the chip fits inside a regular like it is still 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.879 a regular Lego brick, so you're still able to use 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:52.800 it like a Lego brick. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:53.480 But is it? 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.080 But is the like? 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.800 So when you throw this away, is it going to 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.000 be a mortal e waste or just a mortal plastic waste? 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.320 That's the thing I actually truly is it. 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.240 Going to be leaching you know, heavy metals into the 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.359 water table or just turning into microplas? I mean, do 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.399 people throw away Legos? You know that's kind of a 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.960 past that might throw away broken robotic Lego. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.600 But the thing is, but even then, yeah, but you're 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.959 cele brick right, You're right, though I don't know. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.480 My take on the Lego thing is. I used to 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.040 be on the Ed's side of it, and I then 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:24.960 read a lot of our coverage and was like, oh, okay, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.280 that makes way more sense. So I came closer to 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.240 the Fisher side of it, and I'm just like, look, 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.120 if you don't like it, you can still not buy it, sure, 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.080 and you can still have the same Lego experience you 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:34.880 were having before. 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:35.200 Sure. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.160 Sure for the people who I will, I will also 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.160 give Legos some real credit in the despite the fact 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.600 that the entire Lego economy has been inflated by adult babies. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.320 You like children's toys. I'm not talking about, by the way, 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.000 like the toach Mahole. Those are obviously for adults. I'm 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.439 talking about, like I don't know, as a father, the 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.720 Spider Man sets that are now inflated by thirty percent 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.600 because you fucking loses can't leave them alone for actual 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.840 fucking children, Jesus Christ. I will say, Legos app stuff 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.760 is really good. You can just type in the Lego 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.800 thing and you can sit there and kind of their 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.199 smartphone app. Yeah. Yeah, you can type in the number 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.479 of the set and you can rotate around it and 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.000 it's useful. Though they still do this insane thing where 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.080 they don't be able. They make it really difficult to 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.359 tell between like black, dark, gray and gray. Nevertheless, I 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.639 give them real credit because it's like it's an app, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.800 but it's not an app for like selling me more Lego. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.800 It's Hey, the instructions are limited because their paper we 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.159 found a way to get beyond that. I'm willing to 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.119 give them a bit of the benefit of the doubt 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:36.919 on this one. What I will say is you just 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:38.640 use it like you don't need an app for that. Yeah, 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:39.679 buy a. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.520 Set of them, use them, and then judge them, because 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.960 that is I was in the again. I was in 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.520 the exact same boat as you guys. And then then 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.480 I saw the demo and I was like, God, this 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:50.800 every part of this as well. 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.120 I want to pop the stack one layer up because 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.080 there was a thing I wanted to say about the 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.960 fidget toys. Okay, so the fidget toy sounds amazing if 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.560 that is your thing, if you're excited by this. There's 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.840 a sculptor called Chris Bathgate who's a machinist who makes 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.640 beautiful kinetic fidget toys that fit in your pocket really uh, 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.280 and they are. They come in runs of like one 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.040 hundred to two hundred. He hand machines each one of them. 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:18.040 His sculptures are gorgeous. His static sculptures are amazing, but 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:22.600 his kinetic sculptures, the pocket sized ones, are insanely good. 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.919 So Chris, Chris Bathgate, I'm going And he's written, you 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.359 had an a ring to take a note with me 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:29.840 if only I could press a button. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:31.919 So just a book about them. 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.000 I just send a message to Corey to make sure 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.439 that's in the episode nuts. And I'm about to send 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.960 a text to Michael right now. While you're doing that, 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.320 I'm going to fidget with my let me fidget. I'm 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.200 saying he's a wonderful broadcast and I hope to have 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:46.680 him on again, as well as sending me a link 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:48.520 to that. This is a this is an emotion the 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.000 only show. But you see anything? Do you see anything else? Fun? 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:55.480 Because I'm genuinely like I wanted. Everyone's like ed, It's 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:58.800 actually no one's being like Everyone's like yeah, foxy, yes, Okay, 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:02.480 well right, settle down, settle down everyone. That's my job. 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:04.119 I'm the one who gets too angry. 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.920 I don't like doing this because it is I don't 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.240 like to cross the streams between sponsored content and not. 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.679 But I will say that something was genuinely cool, that 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:18.399 is in a sea of technology that is conceptual or 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:20.600 maybe never become to a marketer has no value. One 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.600 of the John Deer things I was paid to promote 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:27.240 was an automated road paver. I'm just like I learned 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.480 about paving for like for like a half hour, and 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.639 I will this makes it possible for people, for fewer 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:36.399 people to do this job. And for fewer skilled people 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:38.280 to be required to do this Jobeah, but that's also 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:42.040 less late. Oh it's so scary though. Look, here's the thing. 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.240 The fact that the that this solves a problem is 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:46.840 my least favorite part of it. And the problem is 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:52.120 no construction workers can find enough labor I mean PayPal. 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:53.880 Well no, I know, this is what I was saying, 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:55.879 but apparently that's like that was the starting point. So 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.040 I'm watching this robot thing do it's thinking, like, you know, 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.639 hot asphalt and pouring stuff. I'm like, yeah, this is 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:02.439 what I want. I want to be dirty jobs. 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.800 This is why I got into it. Some stuff good. Yeah, 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:07.520 I mean I took to a microphone. So I see 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:09.280 a job like that, I'm like, never take that job 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:10.000 from those people. 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:11.880 Well, I agree, but I mean that's the thing. There's 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:14.399 not enough of those people. That's the that's the the thing. 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:15.080 Train them. 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.040 But no, I get your point. And also be clear, 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.240 Michael Fisher is one of the one of the fewer 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.040 people who's more anxious than I am about any kind 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:24.680 of thing like this. So Michael is like squirming here 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.919 when it comes to like mentioning a sponsor. Do not 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.080 think that he's doing this with joy. He actually even 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:29.879 notice that. Yeah, you're right. 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:33.000 I mean my concern with John Deere, and I don't 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.160 want to blow up your try. Concern with John Deere 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:41.120 is there. Yeah, they're they're a rapacious monopolist and they 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.520 have led the war against repair and they use the 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.560 fact that it's illegal to bypass an access control. This 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.320 is this law section twelve one of the Digital Monume 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.560 Copyright Act that establishes a fellony punishable by five year 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.840 prison sentence and a five hundred thousand dollars fine for 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.040 tampering with an access control to make it illegal for 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:01.520 farmers to fix their tractors. And you know you're a 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.800 Britain did you ever go to Beamish outside of Norfolk, 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:11.040 out of Newcastle? Rather the largest it's the largest open 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.480 air museum in Europe. It's we would call it Pioneer 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.520 village here, except it's not pioneers. It's old the tiny 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:20.560 English people. And they have transported Georgian coaltown with a colliery, 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.439 Victorian high Street, all kinds of weird old vehicles, and 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.600 there's a farmhouse on a Roman foundation and on the 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.920 Roman foundation there is a forge because farmers have fixed 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:37.359 their own farming implements since fucking Roman times. Enter John 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.280 Deere saying no, no, we have declared the end of history. 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.680 Farmers no longer fix their farm implement that's our job. 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.520 No, no, it's my fault. You know. Here's the thing. 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.720 This entire debate played out in my comments every single 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.000 time I covered John Dee organically, and I got so 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.160 fucking tired of it that I was like, I will 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.480 never cover this brand again because I'm tired of getting 0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:59.040 in the middle of them, tired of having this conversation 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.879 and like be the mediator between them and things was 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.240 well now and I don't cover them marganically. 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:08.480 Now they're my sponsor. I am gonna I'm going to 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.280 aggressively segue away from this because I don't want a 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:12.920 good idea. Yeah, but I want to get to the 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:13.600 final thing, which. 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.280 Is and I no, please, because I want to build 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.399 on one thing you said, that place I find fascinating, 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:23.280 the Roman foundation, That like the thing that's been unchanged forever. 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.399 As we talk about yet another show where people are like, 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:28.680 what's the next smartphone, what's the replacement for the smartphone? 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.679 All this stuff. I had a wonderful moment at Mystic 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:32.160 Seaport in Connecticut. Have you been here? 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.800 It has a lovely, you know, maritime history museum and 0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:38.240 you can wander and you can see all kinds of 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.359 things in and there's a pocket watch case, because of 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.080 course there is. And I saw one that was really beautiful, 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.520 and I asked the curator. I'm like, how what is 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.280 this front? Perhaps nineteen nineteen oh five, and he's like 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.600 seventeen eighty nine, and I said, wait what? And then 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.160 I kind of looked at the history and like, this 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.880 form factor did not change meaningfully for two hundred years. 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.840 We figured something out, it was great, and then we 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.000 kept it around until somebody figured out how to strap 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:02.640 it under a wrist. 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:03.040 Right. 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.760 That is how I feel about the smartphone these days, 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.040 and like, look, there will be augmented things in the 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.680 personal area network, there will be more accessories for them, 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:12.440 but we are still going to carry these bucks. 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.720 This is the principal struggle of CES right now. Though. 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:17.480 It's all people trying to be like, what if you 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.600 had a smart glasses and it could do this? And 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.000 then you're like, well, as a human being, this is 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:26.240 not how I experienced life, And they're like, shit, you're right, 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.200 nobody actually uses. But what if you've changed your entire 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.760 existence so you had a weird, grainy green thing that 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:37.000 could sometimes be correct, which requires an Internet connection. And 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:41.440 the smart glasses stuff is really the auto translation or 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.399 write down what you're saying, you translate your business trip, 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.840 and you just slop me as stick me gun to 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.520 my head. It's just I'm almost really happy to hear 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:57.280 about Oh, they got thinner and lighter laptops with longer batteries. Brilliant, brilliant. 0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.360 But it almost feels like we're reaching a point where 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.440 everyone's just saying, fuck, we're out of interfaces. We don't 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.840 have a new one. To your point about that that 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:06.320 pocket watch case, right, do. 0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.000 You know what I would love would be this huge 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.199 design trend from now on, we're putting black text on 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.399 white backgrounds, or sometimes white text on black backgrounds. And 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.919 we fired all the twenty two year old designers who 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.240 put ten percent gray on white backgrounds, and we have 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.560 we've sent them north for re education where they are 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:28.840 forced to endure, you know, long struggle sessions about the 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.200 things they've done to people with poor low contrast vision. Yeah. 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:35.160 I just think liquid glass is one of the where 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:39.880 my brain was liquids liquid ass is truly and I 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.840 am like an Apple pay pig at this point. I 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.920 have tolerated many an insult from this company, including the 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:51.320 vision pro, and I gotta be honest. There is one 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:53.520 thing that bothers me the most about this and it's 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.560 for some reason. On one of the windows there's just 0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.440 like a blob in like one of the things. There's 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:03.000 just like a reflective thing looks like it's hard to see, 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.200 but it looks like an error in the LED panel 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.720 in my phone. Because of how are you talking about 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:13.120 like the weird it's weird reflective thing and if you 0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.520 worked on liquid glass, were you forced to were you 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:17.360 forced to do this? 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.760 They do talk about it as part of the UI. 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:21.840 That's sort of the way you move your phone and 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.240 then how it reflects light. It's supposed to be that. 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:29.480 I don't want that on my phone, Liquid glass not all. 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:31.400 I would love to. I would love to go back 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:33.440 to the iOS eight or something like just give me 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:34.360 the phone normal. 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.320 I want that. I want the phone UI that actually 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:41.720 like puts fake scratches on your screen or like fake. 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:45.480 No, I will say, and we could wrap this in 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.160 a boat. It's why I kind of like the clicks 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:51.880 communicator because it's just a thing that nice, flawless no, 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.200 And I say, this is someone who like. If you 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:55.400 don't like it, I don't give a ship if you 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.360 buy it or not. Sorry, it's just that's that's not 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.120 my job. But I like it because it's like, what 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.360 do I want from a device that takes people fingy 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:06.400 to use message at to a place, look at website, fingy. 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.280 You do the thing on a handful of very important features, 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.560 but just a handful of them. I didn't think that 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.040 i'd ever got on board the and this is a 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.480 web browser on it. Oh yeah, I mean it's Android sixteen. 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.360 You can run whatever you want on it. But it's 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.920 a matter of intention. But what we're saying, I never 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.000 thought i'd get on board the digital detox train or 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:26.760 anything like that. And that's not what communicators for, to 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.840 be clear, but just personally until I used the light 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.240 phone for two weeks this past summer. 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:33.120 And you were a real one because when you did 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.360 the light phone thing, you actually fucking did it. You 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.959 turn off everything amazing. 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.240 And I wish I could have survived in that world, 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.680 because it turned out in order to live that way 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.200 doing what we what a lot of us do. I 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:48.160 had to carry an iPad for the sessions that invariably 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:50.600 required me to be online for a secondary or laptop, 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.360 and then I was like, damn it, I can't live 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.760 this life. But what stuck with me were two or 0:30:55.760 --> 0:31:00.520 three lessons that lived past July, and I was like, 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:02.520 every time I pull out my phone, now I'm like, 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.400 am I doing this for a purpose or am I 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.800 doing this because I'm voice? Every time I pull out 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.400 my phone to check notification, I'm able to better resist, 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.640 like bypass of like the door dash, Like isn't it 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.440 time to order a pizza at three pm? 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.600 All the shitty notifications that you get all the time? 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.239 Can you leave notifications on? 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:18.640 No? 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:20.120 I turn them off and then I miss my door 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:24.840 dash deliveries. This horrible seeside, Why aggressively? 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.440 Please do this? But Michael, it's so good having you 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.120 as we wrap up this off for an hour. Thanks, 0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:31.120 I just want to say the listeners want you back, 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:32.520 and I will have you back. But also, you have 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.160 maybe looked at phones differently, and I put aside the 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.280 clicks communicator. I think you have the right way of 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.080 looking at it, where it's like, why am I using 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.720 this device? Thank you? And why am I doing this? 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.800 What is this for? Now? I am built different in 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.360 the sense that I am really like I was mentioning. Yes, 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:49.520 they like the infinite feeds don't work on me. They 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.240 give me anxiety. Like I get to the I'm like, 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:54.240 where's the end? Where's the end? I want to finish 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.960 reading this? Sure, I don't know, but it's the opposite 0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.280 most people like, oh, keep looking. I'm like, no, you 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.560 want to be done, and I'm just like, fine, you 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:04.600 want to do And the moment I feel anything being 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.880 done to me, I like reject it angrily. Sure, I 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:14.120 just no, No, it's pure autism. It's just like my 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.600 brain just like doesn't want to do anything other than 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:20.479 what it insists on doing, which is a Wikipedia or 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:24.040 like a very long conversation about one specific thing, which 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:27.440 is why we are here on Better Offline. So, Michael, 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.040 thank you so much for joining us. You. We will 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.040 bring you back sooner than this. I would love that, 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.280 And I'm looking forward to the clicks I might actually 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:36.800 pick on, not put a link to stuff that you 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:38.760 can have a look at it, judge your own judgment. 0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:40.920 That's not a phrase, we now move to an ad 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.360 break for something that I either say you should buy 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:47.480 or listen to. Yeah, and I Heart Radio said no, actually, 0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:49.480 I can't say that. We're just going to pretend I 0:32:49.520 --> 0:33:02.280 never said that. And we're back in the room. We've 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.280 got Sherlin Low from me Gadget Yes, Hi, and we've 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:08.320 got edam Gaiso Junior at the Tech Bubble newsletter. Oh hello, 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.720 We've got author, activist and journalist Corey Doctor right, and 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.040 this time I know I'm supposed to reply Hello, nailed 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.280 it flause No. And I have had a few people say, 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:18.800 like email would be like why do you do this? 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:20.160 I'm like, because I get to hang out with my 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.880 friend's new cool shit for like an entire week. Why 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.560 are we alive? But we're here at CES, And I 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.640 mean there's also the question of why are we at CES? 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.360 That is a reasonable one, because it's a peculiar show. Corey, 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.000 we had the best time in Amazon, though. We need 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:38.320 to talk about this Amazon experience because to be clear, 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:40.920 we're walking into the show floor for the first time, 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.760 actually sees customer service, got his badge immediately and then 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:46.800 we walk in. I'm like, oh, there's Amazon. Why not 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:48.920 and last year, by the way Amazon, I had the 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:50.720 picture of the smiling man on my badge and the 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.120 woman outside grabbed it went wow, which is I don't 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.640 think it was a good well, but anyway, walk in 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.920 there with Corey. We immediately walk up to this five 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:04.000 thousand dollars like rock pulled surveillance tower pole thing with 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.280 like it's like a big big thingy with like a 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:10.400 poll and like just a ring of cameras and Corey 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.120 just walks over and starts asking questions. 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.400 Score well no, I mean I didn't even ask any questions. 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.440 The guy walked up and said, Hi, I'm the product 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.000 manager for this, do you have any questions. I wasn't gonna, 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.680 you know, bollock them out of the blue. I didn't 0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.000 go in there looking for, you know, a victim, you 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.239 will not that type. But I was like, since you ask, 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.200 and I was like, well, so I know that there 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.600 was that the original ring. 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:31.920 Camera, the doorbell camera. 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.480 You guys took the posture that that footage was only 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.280 available to the police in the event that the owner 0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:44.080 authorized the transfer to the police, and but there had 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:48.759 been this persistent rumor that there was warrantless access to 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.920 this footage, even against the wishes of the of the 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.920 ring owner, which you initially denied, and later I had 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.040 to walk back. I know this because I got into 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.080 a big fight with Amazon PR when I published the 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.120 story and then they said it's not true, and then 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.520 later on it was proved to be true. What's the 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.920 deal with this? Can the police access it? Because this 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.200 is the thing that's meant to go into like a 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.719 parking lot at a job site or whatever. And it 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.280 had some as you pointed out, some racial overtime. 0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.279 Yeah, there were the video behind it was, of course 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.239 two guys breaking in him. Would you be surprised to 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:19.800 hear they were Hispanic? Yeah? 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.000 And then the white guys in there, and AI caption 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.239 was like two men removing things from trunk of red car. 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.120 So so I said, you know, so can the cops 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.920 access this footage, you know, without the owner? And he 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.600 was like, well, I'm not sure. And I'm like, okay, fine, fine, 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.440 who can access this footage? Is this footage intend encrypted? 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.279 Does Is it sitting as an encrypted blob that no 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:46.080 one at Amazon can access on your servers? So only 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.320 I can access it? And as the owner of the device, 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.239 and and so on and he says, oh, yes, that 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.480 is the case, just like with a ring doorbell. And 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.920 I'm like, well, wait, that's not true ring doorbell. So 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.120 hang on a second, Like it's just it is just 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:02.320 like an incontrovertible fact. You go into any court docket 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.360 for petty theft or whatever, there's a ton of footage 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:10.000 that cops have subpoenaed from ring doorbells, and so if 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.520 cops can subpoena then Amazon has to be able to 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:13.000 decrypt it. 0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:13.440 Yeah. 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.440 So and he's like, well, I'm not allowed to decrypt. 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.640 I'm the project manager and a product manager. I can't 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:19.080 decrypt it. I'm like, well that's good. You have some 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.640 access controls, but you're still asked growing the keys. And 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.600 then I'm like, well, is it all controlled by an 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.640 app or is there a desktop interface? And if so, 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:32.480 can I download my footage? And he's like no, it's desktop, 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.160 just like with the with the doorbell camera. And I'm like, 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.960 so I can just like grab all the MPEG files 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:41.799 and keep them on my hard drive and he's like, oh, 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.200 I don't think you can. And I'm like, so what 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.200 if I stop paying the subscription fee? Do I lose 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:47.800 all the footage? And He's like, no, we'll let you 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.400 download it. I'm like, so, wait, can. 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:50.759 I download it? 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:52.799 Or can I not do it? And then he eventually says, well, 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:54.840 you're asking all these technical questions. I just don't know 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:57.640 the answer. And I'm like, well, I was just standing 0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.520 here minding my own business when you came up and 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:04.160 introduced yourself to me as the product manager for this product. Like, 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.799 is the product manager capable of answering what seems to 0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:08.920 me to be some pretty basic. 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:10.760 Does a website do something? Yeah? 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:14.000 Like, like can I does? Is the footage available to 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:14.800 third parties? 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:15.400 Is? 0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:17.279 I mean, because you know, just from a straight up 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:21.560 security perspective, Amazon's not immune to insider threats if you've 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:25.480 got you know, three sixty longitudinal video footage. 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.239 And that's what this thing is. It can it has 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:29.359 a tube that goes into the sky with a bunch 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.080 of cameras. Yeah, and it was advertised as they had 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.560 this video behind with a picture of neighborhoods with all 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.839 these blue blobs where these things would pay. So good. 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:38.759 I'm so happy you guys got to see one of 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.000 the new soon towers. 0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:41.040 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.280 Yeah, here's here's our palent here exactly. 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.360 Maybe they'll give you a little ring that could be 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:45.840 tied to you. 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.120 It's got this like telescoping mask. But you could imagine, right, 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.319 if you've got this is quite a honeypot. Right, If 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.040 you've got the internals of a whole bunch of job 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.279 sites with a bunch of easily stolen things, and there's 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.719 an insider threat. At Amazon, they've got a lot of 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.719 employees and and famously, Amazon went through a series of 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:07.880 CISOs chief security officers because they had this product first 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.560 orientation where anyone who had a product team could download 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:14.760 the entire Amazon database christ and they had no access 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.839 controls and no logging. They did not know how many 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:20.680 copies of the internal Amazon database were, and their CISOs 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.239 would come in and say, okay, step one, we have 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:22.960 to stop doing this. 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:24.479 Did they ever figured out how many people? 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:24.680 No? 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.480 No, no, there's no census of how many copies, like 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:31.400 multiple copies, because they've got aws right, right, So copying 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.000 the entire database of every skew and every purchase on 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:39.719 Amazon is like tractable within Amazon's own infrastructure. And so 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.399 you know, their ceso's first advice was always like, don't 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.320 do this. And then but the people who are in 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.480 charge of like product nimbleness would say, well, we are 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.640 able to spin up a product team and then figure 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.719 out whether the product is any good by grabbing this 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.440 giant data set mining it for insights. So we're going 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.879 to override the security person. And eventually they hired they 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.920 promoted someone internal who was too junior and didn't know 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.600 well enough, and then they had a gigantic breach. Right, 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.920 so I think this is all Andy Greenberg at Wired 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.000 did this report hillier and so you know, like they're 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.000 famously like vulnerable to insider threat. 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:15.680 I will also say, if you were a listener who 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:17.799 works at Amazon Web Services and you're able to click 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.880 on that thing that says anthropic, why don't you sell me? 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:22.919 Send me more of them numbers? I want to see 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:24.840 I want to see them numbers. My favorite part of 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:27.520 this conversation, though, was right towards the end when he went, yeah, 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:29.520 you could buy one for your backyard. You think he 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.759 would and just you were like so much nicer than I. 0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:36.239 Well, I had to be fair to him. I said, like, 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.839 is this all being sold to business customers or are 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:40.759 there people with McMansions who want it? And he said, 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:42.600 do you want it for your mansion? And I was like, 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:44.080 do you have a mansion? And I was like, I 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:44.840 don't have a mansion. 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.080 So he was kind of I think you miss that 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.640 after ten minutes of speedbacking, though I would have just 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.000 I would have been like, I this guy did not 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.359 know what to say. I'm dying. I need to leave, 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.799 but we won't. We had a good, good toll around today. 0:39:58.840 --> 0:39:59.920 You got to see some CEO. 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.400 We went to the Crap Gadget Room with all the 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.080 international pavilions and there was some good stuff. I'm trying 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:08.600 to pull up my favorite. So from one of the 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.520 universities around Tokyo, there was the you know, they have 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.160 these tech transfer offices where they're trying to like productize 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:15.440 things being made in the labs. And there was a 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:19.840 group called Integrated Electron Source who had a graphene electron 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:25.560 emitter which was basically a consumer electronics style imaging system 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.160 that could image down to four nanometers designed for visual 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.480 inspection of chips. And I've just come from Hamburg where 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.480 I saw Bunny Wang, who's the greatest hardware hacker in 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:37.480 the world, present on his work on building system on 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.840 the chips that are open to visual inspection, because Bunny 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:45.880 is absolutely convinced that people are hiding bad shit in silicon, 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:48.200 especially when we're talking about a system on a chip. 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.520 Which when you say badship, what do you mean specific. 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:55.080 So, like you know, all all hardware is is software 0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.600 in etched in silicon, right, So any program, any malware 0:40:58.640 --> 0:40:59.959 you can imagine, you could hide. 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.319 And so when you when you use the chip in 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.480 a piece of hardway, it's doing. 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:05.520 Something bad when it's back. 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.520 Also when he says he's convinced that people are hiding 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:14.240 bad shit in hardware, is his belief that there's nothing 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.880 stopping along the point of production. 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.439 The supply. Yeah, you can supply chain. 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.000 So the thing to understand is that an SC wafer 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.440 is just a it's a risk like reduced instructions a 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:28.799 computing chip wafer, and the typical SC is using like 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.799 twenty five thirty percent of it. So most of that 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.640 chip is dark matter. And when you're taping out the 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:39.560 die and getting ready to nanolithograph the chip, you could 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:41.440 just tape out a whole bunch of other stuff. And 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.640 Bunny's talk at CCC was about how he convinced a 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:47.279 chip maker to let him tape out some open source 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.799 chips in the in the dark matter, because it was like, 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:51.560 you know, you're going to run ten million of these, 0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.000 do another two hundred thousand. I'll pay for that part 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:57.240 of it. Everyone gets them really cheap because the product 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.120 gets cheaper the more of these you run. He was 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:04.040 able to fit five more processors on a processor, right, 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.960 So it's super cool. It's called the Bow chip. All 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.919 open source and all visually inspectable. So you can take 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:12.600 the chip, take the file that describes the chip, take 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.439 the chip and put it in a optical inspection unit, 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:17.879 and then it will produce a file and you can 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.560 lay the two on top of each other and see 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:21.960 if there's any extra gates that shouldn't be there is 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:23.920 this chip? The chip it says, it is just like 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.839 this incredibly important thing. Can you think about how much 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:31.359 of our world is running on this uninspectable silicon, and like, 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:35.000 how many people in the supply chain could do something 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.000 to sabotage that silicon? Anyways? 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.279 I could, I could, I could read more and look 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.279 more at his stuff. This is yeah, my my, I'm pluralistic. 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:44.680 Yesterday I wrote a blog. 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:45.640 I'll check that out. 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:47.080 Because it calls it piggyback it. 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:47.680 This makes me. 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.880 Curious about you know, in video name their newest generation 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.840 of chips with the CPU and the GPU collaboration the 0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.160 ver Rubin, And at first I thought it was just 0:42:56.280 --> 0:43:01.160 like a very vague gesture on a few superficial levels 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:04.719 to ver Rubin, who uh discovered that we probably have 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:06.839 some either we have dark matter or we have some 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:11.560 fundamental failure in our explanatory model for the universe. But 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:13.160 also I'm curious, like, you know, is it just like 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.319 a tongue in cheek also joke or reference to the 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:16.080 fact that we. 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:20.000 Have Yeah, I don't, I don't know know they know 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.600 exactly what's in the chip and it's getting more expensive. 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.319 That's well, oh god, are they doing like a deal 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:29.520 with I hate to do this, but Shelin just aggressive segue. 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:30.839 What have you seen it on the show? 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:32.920 Just just just to put a button on it. One 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.200 last thing I want to say, no, please, four nanometers. 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:37.120 That was that. That was the thing that just fucking 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:41.400 blew myself. And that's four nanometer imaging in commodity hardware. 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.280 Holy shit, this is amazing and I'm pretty sure that's 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:48.040 like full nanimeters what they built the latest in video 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.760 black belt GPUs on I'd have to check. They couldn't 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.160 get they couldn't get down to three animeter and that 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.719 was a whole thing with the process. But shelin, what 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.359 have you seen on the food? Because you're you're only 0:43:58.400 --> 0:43:59.920 with us for this group, so I want to him, 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:01.680 what have you seen this year that you liked? 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:04.160 I mean, hearing all of you talk is just reminds 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.919 me like how diverse this show is. It's a huge show, 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.600 covers such a broad scope. I mean, and I got 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.800 lost in what you were talking about because it's fascinating, 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.400 but it also makes me question the c and ces consumers. 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:19.200 That's what is for the consumer? If it's all robots 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:19.879 and AI, I. 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:23.319 Mean, it's downstream, it's like eventually, but it's like, this 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.560 is so much of it as that consumer. 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:26.880 Where are the consumers? 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.280 Where are they are? Where's the thought for the consumer? 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.319 Have you seen that in the show? Do you feel 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:33.200 like the overall show has been less consumer? 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.360 I think to the point we were making at the 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:37.959 start of this episode, it's the physical manifestation of AI 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.520 slop and and a lot of the ones that were 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:43.680 here this year, the ones that braved the immigration risk 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.960 to come here and share their wares there. That just 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:50.319 means that their motivation was what to find partners, to 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.960 find someone to buy them. Yeah, it's and that's the 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.879 sense I'm getting of a lot of AI hardware out there, 0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:58.520 because if you're still trying to make one at this 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:02.160 point without a clear different sater, then you are out 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.360 here trying to get some kind of VC major company 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.279 to buy you. And after Amazon bought B, it's just like, 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:08.799 who's going to buy the next best one? 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:13.320 B was the one wearable that Victoria Victoria's song in 0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:16.600 the world, Victoria's song Champion. 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:19.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and I was I was 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.839 talking to the founder of B at the CES as well. 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.799 And you know, I'm not gonna dwell too much on 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.320 that just because I could be lucked out in getting 0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:28.120 a home quickly. 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:30.120 Look can get that paper, especially from Amazon. 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:31.600 So go get that. But then the rest of them 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.239 that are here, what is what is the end game? 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.000 What is the goal? And to your point about e waste, 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:37.080 that's going to be e waste the ones that they make, 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.680 the ones that they sell, and limited quantities, but still 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:40.880 massive quantities. 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:44.040 Only smart watches that run on like a WS servers 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.600 that will get taken down the moment the company stops 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:48.200 paying for them, which will be quite quickly. 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:50.480 Yeah, So I think it's it was just like a 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.239 lot of wading through this like existential dread of all 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:54.880 of this is going to end up in len fills, 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.080 all of these robots, all of these AI wearables, all 0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.000 of these AI native devices. So we we tried very 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:01.759 hard to see things that we were interested in. And 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:03.560 I don't know if you've talked about this yet, but 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.120 we made a video of this device that has taken 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:09.200 off on at least by our standards, It's got like 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.759 millions of views at this point. It's called the wheel Move. 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.000 It is a wheelchair base. 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:16.200 It's in a sissific. 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.839 It's an assistive device that you attached to the front 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:22.279 of your wheelchair and it provides sort of a motorized 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.480 rugged wheel that props up the front of your wheelchair 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.200 and helps you over like rugged terrain, uneven surfaces, and 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:33.120 then extra boost. Yet and that is just so smart 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:37.080 because it's simple, right, It's not a whole over engineered wheelchair. 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.600 It's just an attachment to the front. And I was 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:42.880 talking to someone about it this morning who reminded me 0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:46.400 that not all wheelchair users are always in wheelchairs. So 0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:49.400 sometimes they're temporarily and I forgot. Sometimes they're just recovering. 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.040 Sometimes they're in rehab and they just need the assistance 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.000 for a bit. But getting out there, going for the 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.520 wheel move, wheel move, You're going out on like a 0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.600 hike maybe or a walk, and sometimes you encounter, you know, 0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.160 not the smoothest pavement, or sometimes you're. 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:03.560 Just showing everyone what it looks like. It's like a 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.840 wheel on the front of it. Fun and you know 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:08.880 what it's like. We've seen a lot of exa skeletons. 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:10.680 While we were on the floor, we saw like a 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:12.560 like a kind of a skateboard. 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.640 Yeah, so this is I brought the brochure back. So 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.719 we saw this thing called the stern board, which is 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:18.920 the same thing, but it doesn't clip onto a wheelchair. 0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:21.600 It clips onto a motorized skateboard and turns it into 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.920 an all terrain motorized skateboard. It was this French dude 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.040 stern board str board. 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:31.000 Cool as shit. Like, I love the mobility stuff because 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.400 if you think about why technology exists is to make 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:37.360 humans better and able to do more and what limitations 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.760 we have can be surmounted with technology. The AI slop 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:42.560 doesn't seem to be that. 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.040 I mean, I can understand some of them, what they're 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:47.920 saying and what they're trying to sell, but I sometimes 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:49.719 you can see right through some of them and I 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.480 get there. There's a lot of cute robots, and cute 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.440 is fine, but what is the frickin' point? 0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.120 Well, have you seen anything you liked? And I don't 0:47:58.120 --> 0:47:58.480 mean this. 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.840 Scast wheel move I I. 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:03.319 If the point is you haven't, that's totally no. 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:05.600 No, I I did see something interesting, and last year 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:09.120 I came on this better offline of the CS edition 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:12.359 as well. I'm talking about an LED mask. Yes, year 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:13.200 I got another LED. 0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.400 That's fine, like a beauty mask, man, Yeah. 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:18.160 One of those like that puts red light on your face. 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:19.800 Looreal came through. 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:20.239 With like. 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:26.040 The LED masks that are flexible, so like there's skin 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:29.360 light in terms of texture instead of the rigid hardshells 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.879 that you've seen their body on the Luxx or Doctor 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.239 Devis girls make so it wraps on your face much 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.080 better and it is transparent soft. Yeah, it's supposed to 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:40.920 be more comfortable. Looreal wasn't letting people put the full 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.080 face version on their own faces for various like sanitary 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:48.239 and FDA related reasons. I saw the person put them on. 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.000 I saw it on the Mennican's head. I may have 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:53.200 seen other things, and I can tell you that the 0:48:53.600 --> 0:49:03.640 proposition I have, I can't say things, but I can 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.960 tell you that it seems like it would fit better 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:09.319 on most heads, right, Like I don't have the same 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:11.840 nose another person might have, and I don't have the 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.920 same eyes, or I socket shapes that another person might have. 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.799 And I think that a more flexible shell for these 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:21.319 LED masks would be a bit more inclusive. I think 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.840 also much more comfortable because the button and where it 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:26.759 turns on the power running the LED lights is on 0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:29.319 the mask, so it sits on your forehead, so you 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:31.239 press the power button there, as opposed to like a 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.480 cable dangling down the side of your face into a 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.120 power like remote control thing. And then the fact that 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:39.320 it's transparent is just wild. They've also made like underie 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.719 mask versions of it, And I am bringing like the 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:46.120 health and wellness sort of like vibes here into this episode, 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:48.320 but that's good. I just I just like that idea 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:51.200 and that Larel also says it's very close to producing 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.560 these for like, you know, actual sale. They're very close. 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.680 So I think that it's also another thing that's interesting 0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.720 because this is not vaporware. It's actually going to be made, 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.719 and that's what we also look out for, not just 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:05.560 trash that's going to sit in a landfill some day. 0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:07.920 You've been to a lot of CSS and it feels 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.360 like this is one of the more vapor wary ones. 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:13.120 I'm really like, I don't want it to be. I 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:13.760 really don't. 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.040 I know. I well, there's also like a lot of 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:19.759 things that will come out. I mean, so this year 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:22.400 and Gadget took our risk. We went, let's look at 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.239 all our best of CS winners from last year and 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.920 check out where they are now. Surprisingly, pretty much like 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.799 all of them are like either on track or have 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.759 already put their devices on sale, or are like, oh, 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:36.919 we will be at CS twenty twenty six to show 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:40.920 you the updates. One of them we did manage to locate, 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.920 so we're kind of like, what's going on there. So 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:47.799 it is like a kind of risky endeavor to do 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:51.120 that story because you want to know that as a publication, 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:54.800 we're only endorsing the right the more legitimate types of businesses. 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:58.319 At the same time, it's like, we want to do 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:00.319 the investigative work. We want to be very on if 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:01.760 this company end up looking. 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:05.120 Shady, right we look they were shady, or that they 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:06.840 were out competed by worst. 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.120 They could exactly, you know, they could still be the 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:09.799 best one to a. 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:16.160 Help they Also it's something that just ends up not working. 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:16.360 You know. 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.439 One thing that the last two years I've been really 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:23.360 interested in is technology that allows people who are deaf 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:25.520 or who are no sign language to communicate. My brother, 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:29.360 my older brother's death. One of my greatest anxieties and 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:34.280 fears is that he refuses to wear yeah, hearing aids 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:37.719 and any sort of assistive tech. And you know, there 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:40.799 have been many times, you know, and thankfully like we've 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:42.520 had this protocol stablished before, but there have been many 0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:44.400 times where he's been stopped by cops and he just 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:47.880 like you know, he's immediately when stopped by cops reaching 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.279 into the car to get a note pad and pen 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:53.880 to write for them. So I've made him, you know, 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.799 call me beforehand so that we can talk about it, 0:51:56.800 --> 0:52:00.239 so that you know, there's no misunderstanding any or of 0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:02.920 escalation of things. But you know, technology that allows for 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.880 immediate communication would be nice. But then you know, a 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:07.480 lot of times when I go to these boots and 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:08.960 I sit down and I ask, Okay, what are the 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.400 scenarios in which they're interested in offering this sort of 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:15.840 assistive tech, They're almost exclusively in one very narrow scenario, 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:19.200 which is in a workplace and in a business, and 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.359 try I understand, but it's like that is actually also 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:24.960 not the space where I assume and from what I've 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:26.480 seen from people that I know who are deaf, and 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.480 from people are and from you know, my own brother, 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:33.040 you know, are interested in. But nonetheless you still have 0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:36.799 firms who maybe are you know, they are created by 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:40.319 people who are deaf or around people who are deaf, 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:44.520 who know that that's not the use case, but are 0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.960 not going to get funding interest or. 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:52.319 I will also say with like checking back up your 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:56.080 old humans, yea, like you can go here and this 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:59.359 is the consumer electronics fraud show, Like I think it's 0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:01.680 all about there are people who come here with the 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:04.520 intention of deceiving, and I don't think there's anything wrong 0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:05.799 with being like, yeah, we. 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.479 Thought this was right, and that's where I was like, and. 0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:11.040 I think about I'm going to say push back if 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.160 you want to having read d gadget since like the 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:17.920 early like the mid two thousands, what haven't it's what 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:20.439 an gadget is now is really good. There's the reason 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:22.520 they have a lot of engadget people on is because 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.080 it's just people who like tech and they go and 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:25.799 look at stuff and they like it or they dislike it, 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.880 and you move on. And I say that as an 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.399 honest reader, and it's like, yeah, if you go back 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:33.400 and you say, yeah, we got fucking swindled by these people, 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.840 I feel like anyone who gets mad at that is 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.480 a moron. I just think if you're a dope, if 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:40.560 you're like, wow, a publication was like, yeah, we got 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:44.200 something wrong. Oh I don't like that, deceive me more, daddy. 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:48.160 And it's just like I feel like it's every single 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:51.840 publication should do that. It should not be something anyone 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.680 is afraid of. And indeed, if you don't do that, 0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:57.640 it makes me deeply worried about the future, because you 0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:00.000 know what, if you come here and you end up 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:03.080 writing about something that is just a lie or never 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:07.680 makes it, that ces right, and this particular Cees. There's 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:10.040 a lot of that, and in twenty twenty seven, we 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:13.319 need to do this because right, the AI bubble is 0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:15.560 likely to burst in the next year and we're going 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:17.840 to need to dig through the ditches, so to speak, 0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:20.879 and see what fucking happened. Yeah, because there's so much 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:25.200 AI rapper shit. I was hoping you'd love more stuff. 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:28.120 But I did. I mean I I loved some well. 0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:30.439 I think part of it was the Cees more than others. 0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:32.719 I was kind of chained to my laptop running things 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:34.840 rather than like going out there and seeing things. So 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:38.520 I okay, I saw something that I loved to hate on. 0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:39.680 If that helps. 0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.200 Yeah, have you heard about the Lollipop Star? 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:43.160 Oh? 0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.000 Yeah, so we gave it a worst in show I 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:48.560 like to show. I love to hate on Consumer Union 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:49.720 and the Repair Coalition. 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:51.880 Tell me why you gave it worse than show what 0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:55.280 it is? It's exactly eWays and then so we lollipop Tell. 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:56.719 Me more about this because I did not see this. 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:59.279 I have no idea what this is. Uncompletely go ahead quest. 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:01.560 I mean, it's just it's a sound chip and a 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:05.440 you know, sc in a lollipop handle and you put 0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:07.759 a lollipop on top and through bone conduction you hear 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:09.200 a song while you eat a lollipop. 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.800 It's just a lithium battery that goes in a landfill. 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:12.720 You're a psycho. 0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:14.239 Yeah, because you can't reuse it. 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:17.560 You can't like and the battery is not like rechargeable, 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:20.279 which I guess makes sense, but it's it's kind of ridiculous. 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.040 I saw this offered out a white Elephant that I 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.440 was at two weeks before I came here. Wow, just 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.120 like I and I was wondering. Everyone was like, this 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:29.320 seems like a horribike. 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.360 Was it? What favorite flavor? Did you get acorn? 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:32.319 Or what idea it was? 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:35.160 I did not get it. I tried. I was really hard. 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:37.279 I was honing in on the lottery tickets. There's a 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:41.160 stack of fifty lotto scratch offs and I really ride 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.720 them and every guest so I got. 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.280 I got a books. I got a bunch of books. 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:49.000 Singing lollipop is so. My last time at CS was 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.080 twenty years ago, more than twenty years ago, two thousand 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:53.680 and three, and before that, I came a few times 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:57.400 in the nineties were wired and I have seen singing. 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.040 Lollipops at sea yes, exactly, they're not news. 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:01.640 I also speaking of which though on the floor today 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.480 me and Ad saw a smell of Vision and. 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:09.040 Way way, that's what. 0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:10.600 We're saying this year on my team is that it's 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:12.600 kind of the comeback. So yes, the comeback of all 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:15.840 these older technologies that we've seen with like pebbles coming 0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:18.480 back clicks with a communicator lego. It was not really 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:20.320 a comeback, but sure, Mike. 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:24.080 I saw something that said, skateboard Penguin, I'm your little 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:25.480 sidekick company. 0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:26.560 I saw that. 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:30.240 Skateboard Penguin. 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:34.080 A lot of ridiculous and pop let's pop the stack 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:36.040 just briefly, but also to get cryptached. 0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:37.959 No, also to get back to the thing you're talking 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:40.839 about there. The reason I was looking was because they 0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.759 had the tagline welcome to the era of pseudo Reality. 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:45.759 Oh yeah, that was the smell of vision. Yeah, yes, 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:48.680 they had smell vision and then they had like an 0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:54.280 essential oil mister with that made smoke seem But on cryptech, 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:57.560 if anyone wants to follow a very good cryptech influencer, 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.960 Liz Henry used to be a build manager from Mozilla, 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.040 now is just doing cryptech. I think full time bookmaniac 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:07.640 dot org at, I'll send you the link. 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:08.080 Thank you. 0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:11.000 And she is in command of a small fund that 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:14.560 she disperses in thousand dollars in below grants to people 0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:18.240 doing cool cryptech adaptation. So that is cryptech though for 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.040 those accessibility technology, so we. 0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:22.439 Check crypto tech. 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:25.280 Yeah, it was like security, no, no cryptech. 0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:25.840 So yeah. 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:30.360 Use we saw an amazing four line braille reader on 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:30.720 the floor. 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.600 That was that was It was like a braille keyboard. Yeah, 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:37.280 and it was standards defined. It plugged into your usbc 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:39.520 as and showed up as a standard display. 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.840 It just just and you know what I noticed about 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:44.560 I wish I remember the company name because they had 0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:47.480 she deserve it. The guy was just like every like 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:50.160 people people really try and do like a micro jobs 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.840 being like meg a world, and this guy was just like, yeah, 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:55.120 it connects regularly like a keyboard. You can see it here. 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:57.120 That's not a software. That's that He was. 0:57:57.160 --> 0:57:59.640 Very all standards to find and he was very. 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:01.880 Clear to be like, this is not our software. This 0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:03.040 just plugs into anything. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:03.520 That's awesome. 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:04.439 The people who need. 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:07.200 Brain don't need friction, right, Like that guy. 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:11.640 Deserves the huge boots. That's every single blind person probably 0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:15.240 could I'm not blind sweater. I truly don't. Sorry visually impaired, 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:18.320 So I don't know, wow what the experience is, but 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:21.440 I don't know. Seems like it fucking worked, and the 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:23.520 guy was not trying to like hawk anything. 0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:26.480 It was well built, it was standard fine, it was 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:30.400 chunky and rugged, and and it was it will outlive 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:33.040 changes to the OS because it's built around open standards. 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.919 It was just the USB connected thing. Yeah. 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:38.240 I think when you said kryptach, I was reminded of 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:40.720 something that we didn't see in person, but we hurt 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:43.840 or read about. There's a water heater for your home 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:45.720 that will crypto mind while you shout. 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.160 Oh, I've heard about these, I think I wanted to 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.920 put that together. There's a room heater as well that 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:52.840 does this is like a gimmick, right, it can also. 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:56.160 Does There's a bathhouse in Williamsburg that does something that 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:56.920 is the most. 0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:03.000 Yes, I know, is that the same one district? No, 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:05.720 it's not the same one where they legion is. 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:06.840 Listen. 0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:09.040 I got. 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:14.240 Like, yeah, you know, you know, I was landing them. 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:17.680 Then their name it's it's nothing to bathhouse. 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.600 You know, Yeah, that's the legion is. Yeah. 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:26.360 Yeah, So the guy who runs it, he loves crypto 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:31.160 and so you can paying crypto. And he initially tried 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.360 to market it as like, you know, like some of 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:37.240 the heat generation is going to go is coming from crypto. 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:39.320 But then he removed that silently. And I don't know 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.760 if you removed it because it was like it's not 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:43.680 actually or because he doesn't want people to. 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:48.880 Just nocause it doesn't work. Just mining difficulty has reached 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:50.520 a point where all of these little. 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:54.800 Just doesn't work. Scuba diving on Roatan, which is the 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.800 island where prosper the crypto city is and the future 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:04.280 beautiful little like dirt road island africabbing on and the 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:08.360 food's amazing, the diving is amazing. It's it's just a 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:11.560 lovely place. And then the former dictator of Honduras, who 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:14.240 was just pardoned by Trump, who was an ARCO trafficker, 1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:16.880 sold them the sovereign rights to a chunk of this island. 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:18.960 And you walk down the dirt road in the dive 1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:21.040 town and every shop has got a sign in the 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.400 window that says we accept bitcoin. And you walk in, 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:25.800 you say do you accept bitcoin, and they're like, of course, 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:26.880 we don't accept that. 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:33.120 You don't. I don't have fifteen minutes to wait for this. 1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:37.360 And these reactionaries they know how to pick a spot, 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:40.720 you know. Yeah, If I were going to make a 1:00:40.760 --> 1:00:44.200 future network, Stay is one of the placeings I would 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:44.560 do it. 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:47.080 They don't have the actual stones to find a real 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:50.320 place where there's truly no laws, right well yeah, it 1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:55.120 also all of the actual pirates and real criminals would 1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:55.760 kill them. 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.400 I mean this media thing with the Pirate Enlightenment book 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:03.080 of David Gray. You give you give fascists a lawless zone, 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:05.120 and you let other people come into the lawas zone, 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:07.400 and everyone else will go, why are there fascists here? 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:07.920 Yeah? 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:08.960 Well do you know? 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:11.520 Do you know a libertarian walks into a bear? The 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:14.160 story about that libertarian exit town in New Hampshire where 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:16.640 they all moved in and then they ran for city 1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:18.960 council and then they abolished the school district and they 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:21.400 did and they abolished all the rules. And then this 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:23.720 one lady kept feeding bears and they're like, please stop 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:24.280 feeding bears. 1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:26.120 She was like, I thought there were no rules. They 1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:27.720 were all being mauled by bears. 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:32.640 But Thiston wrong. This Marxist gun nut weed grower moves 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:34.440 in and he's like, I'm gonna grow weed and collect 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:36.640 guns and wait for the Marxist revolution. And they're like, 1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:37.760 but we're a libertarian town. 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:40.440 He's like, well, what are you gonna do? Actually, actually, 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:43.240 libertarian means you own nothing. Yeah. No, it's my favorite. 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:45.240 One of my favorite old school Internet videos is the 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:48.320 Libertarian Conference where it's like, well, I think the driver's 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:53.760 licenses should exist, and I think there should be some 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:58.720 competency in the driving. No allow us to die and 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:04.280 call crashes. We're approaching the break right now. But I 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:07.000 really have been trying all weightlessness. I swear to God, 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:08.680 I've been trying to get people to talk to me 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.640 about awesome stuff. The CS is weird. This is a 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:14.520 broken CS Listen. I do think wrong. I do think that. 1:02:15.720 --> 1:02:17.960 One plus I would say for the CS is it 1:02:18.040 --> 1:02:20.360 is actually a really great spot for you to come 1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:25.520 through and think about the way in which technological products 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:28.880 are offered, as in the role they play in your life. 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:32.200 You know, like, are you satisfied with tech products that 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:36.440 are solely around convenience or solely around you know, assistive 1:02:36.440 --> 1:02:39.520 tech are solely around health or you know, like, what 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:41.160 is it that you want and do you think that 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:44.320 the industry and the sectors are interested in developing. 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:47.240 Yeah, I think this is what are they interested in building, 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:49.320 rather than what I think. 1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:51.280 I think it's a very good place for coming and 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:53.640 talking to people and getting sense of whether or not 1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:55.200 other people share those priorities with you. 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:55.480 Yeah. 1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:57.520 You and I saw something that we went away and bought, 1:02:57.560 --> 1:03:01.479 which was that were Coco espresso maker. That's hot water 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:03.760 pump it up. Yeah, it gets a nine atmospheres, It 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:07.360 ejects a shot of espresso. It has no battery. 1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:10.800 It's like yeah. Another thing is like, do you like coffee? Right? 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:13.120 Imagine if you could have coffee on the go and 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:14.360 it worked the coffee I was. 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:15.960 As a guy who flies around with an aero press, 1:03:16.000 --> 1:03:20.280 but whose wife prefers espresso to coffee concentrate. I'm I 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:22.919 just like literally walked off the trade floor and bought 1:03:22.920 --> 1:03:25.720 one because now I can it's small enough. I could 1:03:25.720 --> 1:03:27.479 put both of them in my bag, and my wife 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:30.120 can have an espresso and I can have a coffee concentrate. 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:33.240 If only old products are that good. 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Yes? 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:20.560 That is fine? 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:23.280 I guess I also also also had fun in the 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:24.720 Amazon booth. Uh. 1:04:24.880 --> 1:04:26.840 Yeah, we've been we've been punishing them. 1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:29.720 Yeah, I assumed. I assumed you've been punishing. 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:32.000 We went in there to punish them. Yeah. 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:34.400 No, it's if you lose your dog, you get you 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:36.200 can use all the all the ring cameras in your 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:37.439 neighborhood to find your pet. 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:40.560 I have a five thousand dollars surveillance tower from a 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:44.080 trailer that now will tell me if anyone walks near 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:46.920 my house in any way, so I can donline one 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:48.480 one and claim there's a prowler. 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:51.880 But will it measure their skull with cal Excuse me, 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:54.200 will it measure their skull with calipers to tell you 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:56.040 whether they are likely criminals. 1:04:55.680 --> 1:05:00.160 Only on Ring plus with their new lightar system. Nice? 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:04.280 Maybe No. There's also this like ring like mesh mesh network. 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:05.800 I'm not sure if you if you saw that. 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:07.600 Oh, they're doing this Nest bullshit. 1:05:07.400 --> 1:05:11.600 Ring sidewalk I think is what it's called. If there's 1:05:11.760 --> 1:05:15.439 a Wi Fi outage, they will they will act as 1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:18.440 a mesh to to still be able to notify you 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:21.560 if there's like movement around your house. There's no live 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:25.160 video because of because of how we boun so it 1:05:25.280 --> 1:05:28.760 uses it uses like point like one like one percent 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:31.560 of like of the of like a homes like like 1:05:31.600 --> 1:05:35.200 Wi Fi system to communicate peer to peer. 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:38.320 Experience of those is they don't work very well, like 1:05:38.400 --> 1:05:40.840 the Nest one. If you ever try and install the 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:42.800 Nest product and it tries to connect to a Nest 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.720 another Nest product, it will break in my experience. 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:49.040 But but the thing that I found interesting about the 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:52.360 the pet Finder is that it's it's basically making a 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:56.400 consumer product based on the capacity that police have been 1:05:56.440 --> 1:05:59.080 using Ring for already, right, being able to like find 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.520 five people and have and have immediate nearly immediate access 1:06:02.520 --> 1:06:05.520 to footage, and now they're just turning that into a 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:07.080 consumer a consumer side product. 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:07.800 How does it work? 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:12.480 You request that you're you, You send a message rightly 1:06:12.480 --> 1:06:14.520 to like to some like Amazon app about your pet 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:16.280 being missing, and then it searches through all the ring 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:17.760 cameras in the neighborhood to see if you can find 1:06:17.760 --> 1:06:18.040 the pet. 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:21.960 I think that is completely and notly evil. I don't think. 1:06:24.480 --> 1:06:26.120 Can you access people's footage? 1:06:26.520 --> 1:06:28.600 No, because they have it, they immediately have it. 1:06:28.680 --> 1:06:31.240 Right, So they're talking about how how this footage is 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:33.000 like secured and encrypted and no one can see it. 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:34.760 Meanwhile, they're offering products. 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:38.640 Based on based on everybody having ring And that's the 1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:41.320 other interesting thing is how all the new features are 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:44.320 like useless if you only have one ring camera. The 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:48.720 features are built or based on total societal acceptance that 1:06:48.800 --> 1:06:51.200 everyone already has these things, and the fact that everyone 1:06:51.240 --> 1:06:53.680 has these things enables all these extra features to work. 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:57.040 So the actual individual products of these things not very useful. 1:06:57.120 --> 1:06:59.640 But as long as your whole neighborhood has it, then 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:02.000 then it's like a really great product. 1:07:02.200 --> 1:07:05.640 The Surveillance Society told lap arrist with university. 1:07:05.200 --> 1:07:10.200 And it's sacrificing privacy for for a convenience. Just thinking 1:07:10.280 --> 1:07:12.800 the entire gamble with with the with this style of product. 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:15.880 The last scene of the conversation just like ripping up 1:07:15.920 --> 1:07:18.440 the sideboards and everyone's houses to try and find the 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:21.680 ring cameras. Very horrible. So wait, but you were in 1:07:21.720 --> 1:07:25.320 hol D what'd you see in the hold again? 1:07:25.480 --> 1:07:29.160 More more more LLLM wrapper robots, A lot of smaller, 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:31.960 smaller like robots, not not like the big the big 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:35.040 one of the robots doing we I looked at a 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:39.240 few robots for like you know, like learning robots for kids. 1:07:39.880 --> 1:07:42.000 For it's like kind of a toy, and it's also 1:07:42.200 --> 1:07:44.720 like supposed to be some kind of learning assistance. 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:47.000 You can see through that so quickly, I must be 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:47.640 clear when they. 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:49.280 Get tired of it in like two minutes. 1:07:49.360 --> 1:07:51.360 Yeah, No, it definitely looks the ones the ones that 1:07:51.400 --> 1:07:55.520 I saw, including from this This company called their their 1:07:55.520 --> 1:07:59.400 product was called a Yambo yonbo x one, which they they. 1:07:59.240 --> 1:08:00.760 Thought as of the tongue. 1:08:01.040 --> 1:08:04.200 I mean, it's it's it's a it's a it's Chinese. 1:08:04.240 --> 1:08:07.960 It's Chinese for it sounds similar to the word for hug. 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:13.120 But this is the well yeah, okay. 1:08:13.680 --> 1:08:15.919 I don't speak any of the language, like. 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:21.480 This is for natural language prompting. This is to help, allegedly, 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:24.360 according to them, we'll he will help kids learn another language. 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:29.519 The U S side product justice Chat GIPT. So if 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:32.040 you're if you're if you're wanting to learn learn another 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:34.680 language through chat GPT, this is what it'll do. It 1:08:34.760 --> 1:08:36.759 was the Wi Fi and holdy is kind of off. 1:08:36.800 --> 1:08:39.120 So it's hard to get good product. It's it's it's 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:41.080 it's hard to go to good baseline for how for 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:44.080 HW good the product is which everyone would search to me, 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:45.160 what were you gonna say? 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:45.360 Show? 1:08:45.520 --> 1:08:47.720 I was gonna say. Kind of off was the understatement 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:50.160 of the Wi Fi situation that the Venetian this year, it. 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:51.559 Was freaking terrible. 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:53.400 It's not all, it's all. 1:08:53.479 --> 1:08:55.680 It's worse this year because even the Wi Fi was down, 1:08:55.760 --> 1:08:57.479 it was always the signal. It is always bad. By 1:08:57.520 --> 1:08:59.479 the time you approached the Venetian, you have no more 1:08:59.479 --> 1:09:03.160 five z R. But like in the Expo, then their 1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:06.000 hone in house WiFi. Was that the irony of that was. 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:10.719 Because everyone has these GPT Yes, yeah, it's because everyone's 1:09:10.760 --> 1:09:13.639 just pummeling a ws worse than ever yet beating. 1:09:15.000 --> 1:09:17.160 But yeah, we we tried to, you know, they try 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:18.960 to give a demonstration where we'd teach us like a 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:21.880 Chinese word, and so like, yeah, if you can learn 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:22.519 a word. 1:09:22.439 --> 1:09:24.000 Speak a little Chinese, but you can't. 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:26.400 You can't actually you can't like learn grammar, and they 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:28.960 can't like correct a child to actually improve language, and 1:09:29.000 --> 1:09:32.120 you can't actually you actually learn to speak a language. 1:09:32.120 --> 1:09:34.320 You can learn individual words, but that's not that's not 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:35.880 language learning, right, you can do that. You can do 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:38.800 that like do a lingo, and that's not teaching you a. 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:41.000 Lingal if you were just looking for a word and 1:09:41.080 --> 1:09:44.040 do a lingo is already something that people who teach 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:46.920 languages are like, this is it's not all the all 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:51.640 the features that make do a lingos cut against the 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:53.880 pedagogical value of it as a language training tool. 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:56.000 So there's a lot of stuff like that. 1:09:56.600 --> 1:09:58.679 I I did ask them about like what their plans 1:09:58.720 --> 1:10:02.959 are if if the PI for chattypt it gets more expensive. 1:10:03.040 --> 1:10:06.120 They said they do not expect that in the near future. 1:10:08.080 --> 1:10:11.400 They have like five other lms that they're that they 1:10:11.400 --> 1:10:14.200 work with. Specifically, their product is mostly in China right now, 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:17.880 and they they have they can they can swap, they 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:19.240 can talk to Lum whenever they. 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.519 Want to, which, like is doesn't that kind of impact 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:22.240 the quality? 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:26.439 Yes, because each because each of them is prompted differently. Yes, 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:29.280 I love that though it's like, what if something bad happens, 1:10:29.520 --> 1:10:30.479 what if it doesn't? 1:10:30.760 --> 1:10:32.720 But if it doesn't, and even if it does, we'll 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:35.360 just use something good or whatever. 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:37.400 I have a slightly different gloss on this though, because 1:10:37.439 --> 1:10:39.840 we were saying before that, well, all these products seem 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:42.920 un differentiated. And if they're all undifferentiated because they're just 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:45.160 a wrapper on top of chat Gypt and their vulnerable 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:48.439 to changes, that's one thing, and it maybe speaks well 1:10:48.439 --> 1:10:51.360 for chat GPT and that they'll have whatever companies among 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:53.400 these are successful, it'll have them over a barrel and 1:10:53.400 --> 1:10:55.839 a can jack at the price on thread of bricking 1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:58.080 their products and making their customers angry at them. But 1:10:58.120 --> 1:11:00.960 if the case is that Chatchypt is a commodity back 1:11:01.080 --> 1:11:04.360 end and there's fifty companies in China that can do 1:11:04.439 --> 1:11:06.560 the same thing at a tenth of the price, and 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:10.360 chatch Ept's future plan is someday there will be so 1:11:10.360 --> 1:11:12.320 many people so reliant on us that we can charge 1:11:12.400 --> 1:11:14.920 two hundred dollars for something we're charging two dollars for 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:18.400 the answer is, the minute they start charging two hundred dollars, 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:19.960 there will be fifty Chinese. 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:23.360 Company charge you two dollars. Bryan Ches give Airbnb. Even 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:26.840 there's like a disgusting booster who was specifically involved in 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:31.080 making sure Clammy Samuelman managed to become CEO again. He 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:34.519 literally has said I'll use Chinese lms every day, which 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:37.679 is really funny. So really it's one of the two. 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:39.880 It's going to be either. But I also don't think 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:42.040 because they're API sales are like a small part of 1:11:42.040 --> 1:11:45.160 their revenue. It's just actually, here's a question, general question. 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:48.680 Anyone hear about anyone used againthropics models even once. 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:51.479 I've not heard mentioned Yeah, yeah, but I. 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:53.519 Mean specifically on the floor as powering. 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:56.559 Yeah, someone, do you know what ob Pebble uses? 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:57.960 Qual really interesting? 1:11:58.040 --> 1:12:01.800 But to just do the for the ring they said 1:12:01.840 --> 1:12:04.800 that was on device. There is no on device version 1:12:04.840 --> 1:12:09.160 of Claude Oh Peurble. I was so nice about you. 1:12:09.200 --> 1:12:10.960 Now I have to go and look into your in its. 1:12:11.240 --> 1:12:12.160 I can go, we should go. 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:15.000 No, I'm genuinely curious about that because there is no 1:12:15.040 --> 1:12:18.360 on device version of GPT or anything. 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:20.960 Now you're making me question if I should like double chat. 1:12:21.160 --> 1:12:22.160 I think what I'm talking. 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:24.360 About, I think that that's worthwhile, not not because, but 1:12:24.400 --> 1:12:27.160 the thing is, I'm a I'm a horrible freak that 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:29.880 looks at this stuff constantly. So my natural thought was like, 1:12:30.040 --> 1:12:32.439 what do you mean? And I will admit the seventy 1:12:32.439 --> 1:12:35.760 five dollars pebble ring I supposely on device as well, 1:12:35.880 --> 1:12:39.400 that did seem a little rich to Meah, what do 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:41.639 you mean by rich as in like an on device 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:42.960 model and a tiny ring. 1:12:43.240 --> 1:12:45.519 It's not on the ring, it's on the phone. 1:12:45.560 --> 1:12:47.720 Yes, but they're saying it's if it needs to go 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:50.280 through Claude. That's not I don't know. There's there's something 1:12:50.400 --> 1:12:53.920 weird there, and again that's something that will increase in price. 1:12:54.040 --> 1:12:57.080 Another on water you go there. Alleged on device product 1:12:57.120 --> 1:13:00.640 is the Lunar Pendant, which is real time a GI 1:13:00.880 --> 1:13:01.960 emotion tracking. 1:13:02.680 --> 1:13:06.080 Okay, oh, well, because it's not doing anything real you 1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:07.000 could put a random number. 1:13:07.040 --> 1:13:08.320 Well it's not, actually it is. 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:10.800 It is listening to every single thing you say and 1:13:10.840 --> 1:13:15.639 building emotional assessments based on what you say as well 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:18.599 as you know, whatever kind of biometrics it can connect 1:13:18.640 --> 1:13:20.920 from a pendant resting on your like. 1:13:21.200 --> 1:13:26.639 They mention what the customer might be. No, not, because 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:29.960 this always immediately goes to people with autism. We already 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:32.599 ran into someone with a dog a dog toy today. 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:34.599 It was like it could help autistic children. 1:13:34.760 --> 1:13:37.439 This was not this was this was not marketed to that. 1:13:37.600 --> 1:13:39.960 This is what is this? Foreman, this is this is 1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:41.719 for I wouldn't say women. 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:45.320 That was the classic. 1:13:45.720 --> 1:13:49.680 Doesn't understand women love to be told what are Yeah? 1:13:49.720 --> 1:13:52.520 Yeah, exactly. We finally found a device to be sexist 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:55.080 without the need of all of all. 1:13:55.000 --> 1:14:01.360 Of the was was was pretty yes, and it measures 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:02.599 like six or seven. 1:14:03.120 --> 1:14:03.880 That was a mistake. 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:09.400 I'm sorry that it does. It does like six or 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:14.080 seven different emotions most but it's mostly done just through 1:14:14.120 --> 1:14:17.120 listening on on device though they do not upload to 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:20.599 the They do not upload the audio to the cloud. Nice, okay, 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:21.840 it is on device. 1:14:21.600 --> 1:14:23.719 But so no biometric data, just listening. 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:29.920 That's unclear. Uncle, It was mostly listening because again, I'm 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:35.639 it's some look sometimes I honestly language barriers when trying 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:37.280 to talk with some of these boots here. 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:39.759 I would respect them so much. It was for guys. 1:14:40.400 --> 1:14:45.960 If it was just like you guys. 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:47.080 Yea a sound Harry very ability, breathing and movement, that's 1:14:47.080 --> 1:14:47.439 what it was. 1:14:48.320 --> 1:14:50.280 It's it's resting on your chest so you can have 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:54.320 some some heart, some breathing, but most mostly it's just 1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:55.439 through listening to everything. 1:14:55.560 --> 1:14:56.960 The reason I asked this, that's the only thing that 1:14:57.000 --> 1:15:00.120 differentiates it from like the Halo Tone wearable from you 1:15:00.280 --> 1:15:02.439 just go buy Amazon that's already doing the same thing. 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:04.920 I'm very like I have a good memory for all 1:15:04.920 --> 1:15:06.439 the devices that try to tell me what I'm feeling 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:09.559 and tell me to chill out, come down, so like this, 1:15:09.680 --> 1:15:11.800 this is a sort of device that remembers. And there's 1:15:11.840 --> 1:15:14.160 another product that was at CES that was like, clearly 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:16.840 men made this for women. It was like a broad 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:20.759 insert to like be a wearable to detect your detect 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:24.280 your booms. Well, no, you're you're metro like it's kind 1:15:24.280 --> 1:15:27.080 of for gym purposes when you're working out. And I 1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:29.360 was just like, if you've paid any attention to the 1:15:29.400 --> 1:15:32.800 women's sports bra industry discourse at all, it's that we've 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:35.160 been asking for these broad inserts to be removed or 1:15:35.200 --> 1:15:37.240 sewn in. We don't want them to be removable, fall 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:39.600 out of when they're trying. We just want them to 1:15:39.640 --> 1:15:41.559 remain in place or just be done with. 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:44.000 One of less classic situations, I did you talk to 1:15:44.040 --> 1:15:47.240 a woman? Off? Do you make? 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:48.080 Or anything else? 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:48.320 Right? 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:50.639 Like, if you're designing a product for someone in a wheelchair, 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:53.160 have you worked with someone who's actually using a wheelchair? 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:56.000 Well, the saying is nothing about us with that, which 1:15:56.000 --> 1:15:58.760 I discovered goes back to the Polish equivalent of the 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:01.559 Magna kurta and this sixteenth century, and it was what 1:16:01.640 --> 1:16:04.920 the barons made the king agree was that nothing about 1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:07.200 them would be done without them. It didn't didn't rhyme 1:16:07.240 --> 1:16:07.799 in Polish. 1:16:07.920 --> 1:16:11.120 Yeah, and that's also definitely not how c S works. 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:13.640 Is like without you, we will sell to you. 1:16:14.000 --> 1:16:16.360 Yeah, it's tanry Ford. Right. If I ask people what 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:19.639 they wanted, they'd say faster horse, right, And so we're 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:20.760 here to tell you what you want. 1:16:21.240 --> 1:16:24.480 Yeah. Yeah, but these people would sell you like horseshoes 1:16:24.479 --> 1:16:27.120 to make the horses faster, rather than it's like these 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:30.479 people don't get to anything. I'm still sitting there trying 1:16:30.479 --> 1:16:32.400 to work out what that pendant is for. I'm gonna 1:16:32.400 --> 1:16:34.080 be honest, like what alien. 1:16:33.800 --> 1:16:36.720 Well, sometimes you're suppled to know if you if you're 1:16:36.800 --> 1:16:41.519 calm or if you're angry. Oh I know what I'm met. 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:44.120 Yeah, I'm breathing. 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:47.559 I recently started somadic therapy, and so I think I 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:51.360 can understand the idea of the benefits of knowing when 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:55.120 you're feeling something, identifying it and kind of like staying 1:16:55.200 --> 1:16:57.640 with it. But I don't think a pendant is going 1:16:57.720 --> 1:16:59.880 to tell me in real time. It's not built for 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:00.879 that exactly. 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:02.400 Well with any of that, I mean, what are you 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:04.839 supposed to be doing, like looking down and going, oh. 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:07.559 No, I'm angry and why and then breathe? 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:08.519 It does? It does? 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:11.080 It does connect to an app where like christ it 1:17:11.120 --> 1:17:13.920 has it has an analysis of how you're feeling, how 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:16.160 you're feeling, you know, heart rate. 1:17:16.960 --> 1:17:19.960 This reminds me of Victoria's song posting the Aura Ring. 1:17:20.040 --> 1:17:24.040 Think it's like stressed straight, like collective bar running seven 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:27.240 hours stressed right? Oh God? So what you got a 1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:27.960 lot of paper that. 1:17:28.760 --> 1:17:30.680 I I just I just like collecting these. 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:36.160 That's fine paper. Anything else you you regarded, Oh. 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:38.160 I guess I'll talk about the the one that I 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:43.679 feel the weirdest about awesome. This is another CES Innovation 1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:44.479 Award winner. 1:17:44.880 --> 1:17:46.360 Okay, this is from South Korea. 1:17:47.240 --> 1:17:52.519 This is the Self Insight Therapy Resolved x R oh. 1:17:53.320 --> 1:17:54.920 Okay, well I've got most of This. 1:17:57.280 --> 1:18:01.240 Is a VR experience to give you a final goodbye 1:18:01.400 --> 1:18:06.680 to a deceased fred So the episode. So, we have 1:18:06.680 --> 1:18:08.760 seen stuffing this before. We have we have seen these 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:11.560 kind of like VR experiences that are either fully scripted 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:15.080 or done with like an AI And I thought that's 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:17.200 what this that this was. I thought this was just 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:19.320 another one of those, and I was surprised why it 1:18:19.360 --> 1:18:21.840 won an Innovation award because we've seen this stuff years ago. 1:18:22.920 --> 1:18:25.920 This the reason why it's different is that this is 1:18:25.920 --> 1:18:28.720 not an AI. This is not an AI system. This 1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:32.320 is not a pre recorded movie either. This is a 1:18:32.320 --> 1:18:36.559 avatar puppeted by a therapist as a part of a 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:39.479 as a part of like a therapy program where you 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:42.160 enter into it for a short amount of time to 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:46.120 give this like like visual like therapeutic exercise to someone 1:18:46.760 --> 1:18:48.880 when they weren't able to say goodbye to a FAMI member, 1:18:48.960 --> 1:18:50.240 usually after some kind of accident. 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:51.320 Is what this was. 1:18:51.360 --> 1:18:53.479 And they they talked about a few instances of like 1:18:53.880 --> 1:18:58.200 this really bad plane crash uh last year, and that 1:18:58.200 --> 1:19:00.880 that's that was like the main main use case that 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:03.280 that is seen. It's right now just available in Korea. 1:19:03.320 --> 1:19:06.679 They're trying to expand to Japan and the United States 1:19:07.240 --> 1:19:09.800 where they would need to partner with with therapists in 1:19:09.800 --> 1:19:14.840 those countries. So yes, I feel really odd about about 1:19:14.880 --> 1:19:19.080 these types of products obviously specifically like the digital avatar 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:22.640 nature of it. Yeah, if you have a recording of 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:26.400 your of your deceased loved ones voice, it can try 1:19:26.400 --> 1:19:28.840 to clone the voice, so it does use A so 1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:31.200 it doesn't use AA for the voice. But the person 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:34.200 there's the therapist puppet. 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:36.040 Puppeting it, who will who will do text to speech? 1:19:36.320 --> 1:19:38.719 So they will will will we'll we'll we'll text to speech, 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:42.840 uh the like, you know, whatever, the whatever the person 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:43.240 will like. 1:19:43.240 --> 1:19:46.000 It takes the speech as well. So no, it is 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:47.000 texting that That's what it is. 1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:49.800 It is text to speech. The therapist that's puppeting it. 1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:52.080 The words coming out of the avatar are from a 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:54.840 therapist who's typing out who's typing out the words as 1:19:54.840 --> 1:19:58.240 a part of this this therapeutic exercise. But then then 1:19:58.320 --> 1:20:00.639 will be that will come out, is in a cloned 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:02.000 voice of the deceased? 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:04.639 Are they're also controlling like the gestures when you see puppetting. 1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:09.479 Yes, there is a pre pre recorded set of set 1:20:09.520 --> 1:20:11.760 of movements that they can that they can initiate. 1:20:12.040 --> 1:20:14.160 This sounds traumatizing. 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.120 They said that the people have used it have liked it, 1:20:17.200 --> 1:20:20.160 and there's a video of of course they're gonna say 1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:23.640 that obviously, yeah, people, but that's you know, and I 1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:27.720 saw I saw a footage of of of someone using it. 1:20:28.960 --> 1:20:30.719 I think it is It is good that this isn't 1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:33.679 just an a I L L M who's just talking 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:35.320 as your as you'r. 1:20:35.479 --> 1:20:38.200 As and it's not pretending to be that. 1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:41.200 It is a therapeutic experience and it is an exercise 1:20:41.600 --> 1:20:44.599 similar similar, similar, well the pretty you know you're you're 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:46.640 wearing the r gogs, like you see the avatar in 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:48.360 like a setting and you like say goodbye and get 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:50.599 some kind of closure as a part of a therapeutic experience. 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:52.880 And like there's versions that we already just do this 1:20:52.920 --> 1:20:56.000 in therapy, like you already sort of exercises with therapy. 1:20:56.200 --> 1:20:58.600 This is putting in kind of in avatar over it. 1:20:58.800 --> 1:21:02.599 I don't feel great at the avatar. But this is 1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:06.719 this is certainly better and more thoughtful than just talking 1:21:06.760 --> 1:21:09.240 to and just talking to an ll M. The fact 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:11.840 that it's you're partnering with a therapist you've already been 1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:15.000 working with who already knows you for people and they 1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:18.400 getting an extreme emotional grief, Like I can see that 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:20.760 they did stress that, like this isn't for everybody. This 1:21:20.800 --> 1:21:22.800 is for people like dealing with they get extreme emotional grief, 1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:24.200 and I, you know, ask like, you know, why did 1:21:24.240 --> 1:21:26.960 you choose you know, why is this not just an AI. 1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:29.720 They're like, well, I mean these people are very traumatized 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:30.720 and you actually need a skill. 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:33.240 I give them. I give him some credit. If that's 1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:35.920 the If that's their reaction to it, yeah, I'm less. 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:38.280 I'm like, I'm not mad at it because if they're 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:42.240 very much like this is very specific, Yeah, I'm alright 1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:42.439 with it. 1:21:43.280 --> 1:21:44.920 This is my experience at the booth because I went 1:21:44.960 --> 1:21:49.080 in very skept hostile, hostile, because I was very hostile, 1:21:49.360 --> 1:21:52.080 and they didn't necessarily win me over, but I understood 1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:56.320 why the product exists over time more and I was like, yeah, 1:21:56.360 --> 1:22:01.840 I feel very odd, not odd. I think digital. I 1:22:01.880 --> 1:22:05.679 think digital necromancy is bad. Yeah, I've every every CS 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:09.000 I've been to. There's I've done some report on digital necromancy. 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:12.240 The fact that it's cloning the voice I don't love. 1:22:12.400 --> 1:22:15.320 But the product's not for me, right, It's I would 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:18.360 not want to hear an ai voice of my dead friend, 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:22.240 but that is me and I'm you know, as a 1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:26.080 gen Z Canadian American, I don't want this for some 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:28.519 people who are using using this product that might help 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:32.000 them in certain settings with an awareness that like you're 1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:34.439 this is you know, this is an avatar, this is around. 1:22:34.720 --> 1:22:37.240 I'm just into a therapist. I'm not a therapist, but 1:22:37.280 --> 1:22:39.760 my view on that is like there are certain things 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:41.960 where it's leading you to get to conclusions and I 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:45.200 feel like adding a disembodied digital levatar controlled by a keyboard, 1:22:45.560 --> 1:22:47.719 I'm like, if this helps someone, brilliant, but it's also 1:22:47.840 --> 1:22:51.040 just like that's just it's adding a layer of something 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:53.639 that probably will get in the way of feeling better 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:56.000 because it's like like change comes from within, like. 1:22:56.120 --> 1:22:58.360 This is this is this is the gestalt to empty 1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:01.360 chair technique. That's that's therapy Techniquely. 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:04.080 I want to raise another point. So hagen Blix was 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:09.440 on this machine kills talking about chat or chat therapists, 1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:15.439 and how the temptation on the firms that are delivering 1:23:15.479 --> 1:23:18.640 therapy over chat is to pile more chat windows on 1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:21.200 a single therapist and to get them to multitask and 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:24.559 then multi multitask. And so I'm not saying this firm 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:27.080 is doing it. I'm saying that this is a mode 1:23:27.360 --> 1:23:31.439 of therapy that is uniquely amenable to speed ups that 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:33.920 are anti patient and anti therapists. 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:37.080 I have also a thought, right, which is when I 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:41.120 was mostly furious about this until you mentioned this was 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:44.040 for extreme scenario, extreme cases of grief, And I was like, Okay, 1:23:44.040 --> 1:23:45.920 can imagine if someone is so deep in their grief 1:23:45.920 --> 1:23:48.679 that they wouldn't respond to anything, but you need anything, 1:23:48.720 --> 1:23:51.719 You need anything. But then I think about, like even myself, 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:53.800 thinking about going through the process of anyone that that 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:55.880 has you know, a friend died in a car accident 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:58.439 two years ago, Like if the thought of talking to 1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:01.439 an embodied version of him and hearing his voice just 1:24:01.439 --> 1:24:04.080 get me out of my grief is already dubious, But 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:06.599 then you have to I was like, oh, but all 1:24:06.640 --> 1:24:08.840 kinds of therapy rec there's a little resistance to that 1:24:08.880 --> 1:24:10.960 sort of grief therapy anyway. So I was like trying 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:12.920 to make my peace with that. Then I remember, this 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:15.360 is x R. You're gonna have to convince the person 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:17.240 who's an extreme grief to put on a headset. 1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:19.920 Yes, just trap this brick to your face for five 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:22.080 seconds and strap this brick trap yourself. 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:24.599 That's I mean, yeah, this is something that you're gonna 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:27.840 I don't think they're getting convinced into doing this. I 1:24:27.880 --> 1:24:30.920 think it's that they will, you know, this is an 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:33.080 option that they can choose from. And I think it's 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:35.800 also specifically this is not like an extended things. This 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:38.120 isn't something you like go to talk to your friend. 1:24:38.400 --> 1:24:40.200 It's it's it is a It is to give you 1:24:40.240 --> 1:24:43.240 like a yeah one one time like good like like 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:47.880 closure exercise is I'm also just like that you also 1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:48.439 have it for a pet. 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:54.920 They also have a powkay. Because now it's like closure 1:24:55.120 --> 1:25:00.400 isn't always clean. That's absolutely life is message, but also 1:25:00.600 --> 1:25:03.839 you don't get closure on that. Therapy is about finding 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:05.599 finding a way through when you. 1:25:05.680 --> 1:25:07.559 The gift you give yourself is not a thing you 1:25:07.560 --> 1:25:08.400 get from someone else. 1:25:08.439 --> 1:25:11.120 That's the more like larger like essential resistance that I 1:25:11.160 --> 1:25:11.479 have to. 1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:13.880 This is hearing the pet thing really fills people angry 1:25:13.920 --> 1:25:17.439 by yeah, yeah, yeah, yam yamyamao, yamyam maamyamao. No, it's 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:20.160 just also like you lost your pet. What the fuck 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:22.760 is seeing like a three D cat or dog? Like? 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:27.599 What of Canada's most beloved prime ministers, John Diefenbaker, used 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:29.560 to go get advice for running the country from his 1:25:29.680 --> 1:25:30.400 dog's ghost. 1:25:31.960 --> 1:25:32.720 What that was? 1:25:32.800 --> 1:25:33.479 Dead air there? 1:25:34.439 --> 1:25:38.680 It's true Cleveland Brown's dropped. Did Johnny mansiel based on 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:41.519 a homeless person's idea? I love this tell me everything. 1:25:41.680 --> 1:25:42.240 That's all I know. 1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:45.639 We learned it in history. I was fourteen years old, 1:25:45.920 --> 1:25:48.720 That's all I remember. It's literally the only thing I 1:25:48.840 --> 1:25:51.200 know about chan T dog's ghosts. There's a lot of 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:53.800 buildings named after him as well. But he did Did 1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:55.320 you learn this? What did you grow up in Canada? 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:56.120 I did grow up in Canada. 1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:57.280 Did you learn this in ninth grade? 1:25:58.320 --> 1:26:00.360 Know? By then I was already in the States. Okay, 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:00.960 so you. 1:26:00.960 --> 1:26:03.519 Didn't get our full year about just the Canadian Pacific Railroad, 1:26:03.560 --> 1:26:05.200 World War One and John diefen Baker's dead. 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:07.960 We got a little bit of the railroad, but that's it. Yeah, 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:11.320 you missed the year of Canadian education around dog ghosts. 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:13.519 I did miss that one. 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:14.960 We're gonna put them on the new fifty. 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:19.760 The dog ghost that's good, had a lot of them. Yeah, 1:26:21.000 --> 1:26:22.640 the Supreme Leader Curry, We'll get right on that. 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:25.080 I just see this stuff and hearing the pet thing, 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:28.880 I'm like, because my thought process with this was like, okay, 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:32.320 extreme situations. But then I'm like, the pet thing, I 1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:34.280 don't yet. No, I hear pet and I'm like, so 1:26:34.479 --> 1:26:37.719 it's not extreme situation. You will because my thought was, okay, 1:26:37.840 --> 1:26:40.639 if this is very specific, like deep in the box 1:26:40.720 --> 1:26:44.160 of tools, we've tried everything. Yeah, fuck yeah, we'll help 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:45.000 you with your other thing. 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:47.080 And also if your favorite flavor of ice cream is 1:26:47.120 --> 1:26:49.160 sold out at basketball yeah, yea, yeah, we've got. 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:51.000 A model for that. It's also preparing you. I don't know. 1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:52.800 Some of the most difficult things in therapy for me 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:56.160 have been accepting there is no such thing as closure. 1:26:56.200 --> 1:26:57.880 In some cases, you will never have that. 1:26:58.040 --> 1:26:59.400 The other thing I don't think about the pet thing 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:01.639 is that it is that that is a reoccurring feature. 1:27:01.760 --> 1:27:03.720 You can visit the Yeah, it's like you create a 1:27:03.760 --> 1:27:05.840 space more than once which okay. 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:09.080 I will say now that I'm reading the brochure, it 1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:11.400 is not just about the grief. I think there's parts 1:27:11.439 --> 1:27:13.000 of this that sound like that makes sense, or the 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:15.400 resolve extra part of it that's talking about the gestalte 1:27:15.400 --> 1:27:18.360 empty chair thing. It's also like not just about grief, 1:27:18.479 --> 1:27:22.280 but it's about like confronting difficult, like conflict moments that 1:27:22.400 --> 1:27:24.280 one I could learn to deal with because like whenever 1:27:24.280 --> 1:27:26.400 I'm dealing with like a manipulative talker and I don't 1:27:26.400 --> 1:27:28.599 know how to like respond and I have these emotional reactions, 1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:32.040 bubble up a bit of practice into dealing with the 1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:32.680 The thing is. 1:27:33.360 --> 1:27:36.559 The like, you are completely correct, I sound like another lum. 1:27:36.960 --> 1:27:39.320 But these are the soft edges where these people work 1:27:39.360 --> 1:27:41.600 their ways in right. It's like, well, there could be 1:27:41.680 --> 1:27:44.320 a situation where it makes sense. They're not preparing for 1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:47.599 a situation if they have, I can revisit my dead dog. 1:27:48.400 --> 1:27:50.920 They're just like, fuck it. Can I say enough of this? 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:53.800 It's a structural problem with small backs products. Also, you 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:55.040 just want to expand the market. 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:57.280 I'll also point out that on the brochure this you 1:27:57.320 --> 1:28:00.240 should have said it here, But they are calling the 1:28:00.439 --> 1:28:02.479 grief part of it good mourning with a U. 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:06.599 And I'm just like, no, I love having good morning. 1:28:07.240 --> 1:28:08.240 That's that's very good. 1:28:08.280 --> 1:28:12.080 That's that that tells me this is a state hairdresser. 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:16.880 Hairdressers uh business name grade pun curl up and die 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:17.719 good morning. 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:23.280 A bike called bike curious like Jesus fucking That's that's 1:28:23.360 --> 1:28:26.200 the thing is. I'm really trying and hear, folks, I'm 1:28:26.240 --> 1:28:28.479 trying to find some stuff. I'm trying to look not 1:28:28.680 --> 1:28:29.560 cynically about it. 1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:32.599 Well, there's a bajillion AI cooking products. 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:35.040 I did see what I did see. We saw one 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:36.719 which was just a giant box. 1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:38.720 No, they're all boxes and things you have. You still 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:40.200 do all the prepper work yourself. You still have to 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:43.839 assemble the ingredients. In most cases. It's it's it's it's 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:46.479 an oven, like it's a it's a quote unquote smart oven. 1:28:46.560 --> 1:28:46.680 Right. 1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:49.800 That's all these A products that like that like take 1:28:49.880 --> 1:28:52.280 the effort out of cooking. You're like, well, yeah, that's 1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:54.599 just putting something in the oven, like right, and still 1:28:54.600 --> 1:28:55.439 have to do a lot of work. 1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:56.880 You kind of have hoses that are just full of 1:28:56.960 --> 1:28:57.839 congealed schmuds. 1:28:57.840 --> 1:29:01.120 Oh yeah, yeah. At some point, like three days in 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:02.839 it's going to just be congealed. 1:29:02.960 --> 1:29:05.320 Cleaning it's going to be a nightmare. It's it's easier 1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:05.840 just to cook. 1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:07.920 Like it's like it reminds me of those videos where 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:10.640 like the influencers going these are my simple meals, no 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:14.040 cook simple meals. Step one caught some garlic and it's 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:15.400 just like no, no, no, you're cooking. 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:18.240 Yeah no, Like this is like you put put a 1:29:18.240 --> 1:29:20.639 piece of cardboard in the microwave, Like that's that's gonna 1:29:20.640 --> 1:29:22.320 be more efficient if you really want to live a 1:29:22.400 --> 1:29:23.639 lifestyle where you don't cook. 1:29:24.120 --> 1:29:25.240 Enough about British cooking. 1:29:25.439 --> 1:29:29.240 I just I just learned about from from Garbage Ryan 1:29:29.479 --> 1:29:34.479 about uh kitchen cells, which is the Reddit forum for 1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:36.840 in cells who cook elaborate meals and then feel bad 1:29:36.880 --> 1:29:37.599 about themselves. 1:29:37.720 --> 1:29:41.640 That's fun, Yeah, good for them at least better good 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:45.760 morning someone else. So that was that was a bitch, 1:29:45.800 --> 1:29:47.479 you think to say, But no, I wait, so these 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:50.640 people are like in cells who would just so the 1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:54.040 two varieties are very elaborate meal I cooked with a 1:29:54.120 --> 1:29:56.439 caption that is just like I want to die, or 1:29:57.080 --> 1:29:59.519 like someone who's literally microwaved a piece of cardboard and 1:29:59.600 --> 1:30:01.760 it's the caption is I'm a piece of ship. That's 1:30:02.160 --> 1:30:05.720 that second one is really funny. I mean, actually no, 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:08.240 the idea of doing like a five course tasting menu 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:10.640 and doing that is actually really good. That's pretty good. 1:30:10.840 --> 1:30:13.360 That's that's But are they serious or is this so? 1:30:13.479 --> 1:30:15.320 This was the thing garbage Ryan said is he wasn't 1:30:15.360 --> 1:30:18.360 sure to what extended was a bit think for some 1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:23.200 of them it's a bit. It's it's like, yeah, like. 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:27.320 I love those where it's just like a TV, a 1:30:27.960 --> 1:30:30.439 like a high sensed TV on top of the box 1:30:30.520 --> 1:30:33.240 that the hesned TV came in, and like an Apple 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:36.880 TV and a PlayStation five with like bent cables because 1:30:36.920 --> 1:30:39.960 like like straight out the box plugs. I love that. 1:30:40.280 --> 1:30:42.400 My favorite one was the guy who bought a church 1:30:43.040 --> 1:30:45.840 and he had a he had a bed and a 1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:50.640 little table and in a church, and his his uh 1:30:51.120 --> 1:30:53.840 caption was any suggestions for what else to do with this? 1:30:55.760 --> 1:30:56.600 Do an exorcism? 1:30:57.200 --> 1:30:58.800 I mean the thing you're going to do in six 1:30:58.880 --> 1:31:03.720 months involving a news Sorry, but it's like, why did 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:05.320 you buy a church? There is this guy. 1:31:05.479 --> 1:31:08.960 Scarsing about a church. They're cheap. Religion is failing in America. 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:11.640 I don't know if that's good or bad. Now, I 1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:13.759 did see this guy on Instagram that I've been following 1:31:13.800 --> 1:31:15.519 for like a while where he bought like a house 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:19.400 in an Eastern European country for five thousand euro and 1:31:19.560 --> 1:31:21.880 he has put so much money into it just making 1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:24.200 it and he's actually got like walls. Now he's like 1:31:24.439 --> 1:31:27.200 day five thousand to buy my five thousand euro house. 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:30.560 My friend Kujuk came down and it's just like this 1:31:30.960 --> 1:31:33.519 Eastern European guy who you could shoot with a gun 1:31:33.600 --> 1:31:35.519 and it would just bounce the fuck off this. 1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:36.200 Yeah. 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:37.840 Yeah, it's all of these guys who are just like 1:31:38.120 --> 1:31:40.280 actual work and stiffs who are like this is gonna 1:31:40.280 --> 1:31:42.960 get me promo because they all make money off of it, 1:31:43.000 --> 1:31:45.320 which is cool. Actually actually in a weird way, likely 1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:47.600 helps the local economy. But it is funny watching just 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:50.040 the American guys being like fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:55.120 infrastructure doesn't work someplaces. Yeah. Well, as we wrap up 1:31:55.200 --> 1:31:58.479 this half an hour section, I'm gonna advertise something now. 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:01.840 It's called a stuff buyer. Go to stuff buyo dot 1:32:01.920 --> 1:32:05.320 Bierz and whatever you hear next, ignore that, ur L. 1:32:05.439 --> 1:32:07.519 That's not where stuff buyo dot biz is where you're 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:21.439 going to buy your next products. Thank you please, I 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:24.439 am being gangstalk. Welcome back to Better Offline. I'm at 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:27.599 Cetron and we have one of grab with us. Of course, journalist, activist, 1:32:27.720 --> 1:32:31.880 and of course I was author, yeah, author with keeping it. 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:35.120 It's fine, author Cory doctor Rowe. Hello, I'm so sorry. 1:32:35.240 --> 1:32:36.639 That's okay, Garrison Davis. 1:32:36.680 --> 1:32:38.599 If it could happen here, there's been a white van 1:32:38.720 --> 1:32:41.200 outside this hotel the entire time. 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:44.560 Yeah, and they're only looking for me, Sheldon lower n 1:32:44.600 --> 1:32:47.240 Gadget and we're going to actually start with some Engadget things. 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:49.400 What I engadget It's best to see, yes, like what 1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:51.360 was the stuff that Engadget actually liked. 1:32:51.479 --> 1:32:53.120 I don't know if you'll hate us for this, because 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:55.360 we talked earlier in the episode this we we as 1:32:55.400 --> 1:32:59.960 a team awarded the Lego Smartplay smartbreak system totally fort 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:02.320 and show. It was a show off hands type of 1:33:02.360 --> 1:33:03.760 votement by the time we had gotten around to the 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:06.479 last one, and like we were doing ranked tories voting too, 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:08.080 so like we had to go around with everyone. 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:09.760 Well, we were ready to stay. 1:33:09.800 --> 1:33:10.360 I know, thank you. 1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:11.080 We were. 1:33:11.439 --> 1:33:12.920 We've been progressive for a very long time. 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:15.719 We uh, we were dedicated. 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:17.960 We're like, however long this takes to find the best 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:19.760 and show, we're going to stay all through the night. 1:33:20.080 --> 1:33:22.560 And then we got through the first few candidates and 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:24.519 then we got to Lego and then like more than 1:33:24.560 --> 1:33:27.400 half way, more than half hands went up and we're like, oh, well, 1:33:27.560 --> 1:33:28.960 good thing. We don't need to say the rest of 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:32.000 the night. Then it's quite obvious. Yeah, some quick math 1:33:32.120 --> 1:33:35.080 was done. So anyway, I think the Best and Gadget's 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:37.680 Best of ce AS awards are going to reflect engadgets 1:33:38.000 --> 1:33:41.639 choice and gadgets taste, and so that's good, right, I'm glad. 1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:43.960 I think it shows that we're a bunch of childish kids, 1:33:44.080 --> 1:33:46.800 nerds and that sort of thing, and I like that 1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:49.679 about my team. And also then we had other winners, 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:55.360 like you'll see our list of winners include things like TVs, laptops, 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:56.479 concept devices. 1:33:56.880 --> 1:33:58.920 Look at this thrown toilet mount health. 1:33:59.240 --> 1:34:03.479 That's not an at war to be clear, that's the weirdestkedget. 1:34:02.600 --> 1:34:04.280 That's all the coolest text. 1:34:06.520 --> 1:34:08.160 W A And I'm like, is it a Shuri? 1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:11.200 I love that. I love that you got confused because 1:34:11.200 --> 1:34:12.760 that's very good feedback for the team that I've been 1:34:12.760 --> 1:34:14.040 trying to fight with about the headlines. 1:34:14.200 --> 1:34:17.680 Yeah, that completely confused me because the measure, Yeah put it. 1:34:17.720 --> 1:34:19.880 I'm just going to show only be drinking diet cokes 1:34:20.720 --> 1:34:21.639 for seven years. 1:34:21.880 --> 1:34:24.160 That will tell you we did not give that. 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:26.760 Okay, So your best of CS, I will stop trying 1:34:26.840 --> 1:34:28.160 to anticipate your dynamoon. 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:31.720 Okay, I mean I can I do that too. Our 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:33.840 best of CS includes like the l G wall paper 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.280 TV that was shown. This's your very classic CS type 1:34:36.320 --> 1:34:40.200 of price we got, that's it. Yeah, it's very thin, 1:34:40.520 --> 1:34:43.360 very impressive. It just lost that sound bar base that 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:45.479 used to be what it came out of. And then 1:34:45.600 --> 1:34:47.679 there's no cables like stuff for the power court because 1:34:47.680 --> 1:34:49.880 it's got the wireless control center that always that the 1:34:50.000 --> 1:34:52.200 brick that is kind of the little Yeah, you could 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:53.679 tuck it away low latency. 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:55.640 Yeah, exactly saw that, and I was kind of like, 1:34:55.800 --> 1:34:57.960 I love that. It's like way, it's like super expensive, 1:34:58.000 --> 1:34:59.840 out of the range of most people, but it's cool 1:34:59.840 --> 1:35:02.720 to And also so wait does the thing go on 1:35:02.800 --> 1:35:04.000 it plugs in the walls. 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:06.960 Still there's still a power court for the TV itself. 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:10.360 HD mind such comes up the community? Did you get 1:35:10.400 --> 1:35:12.320 the price on the wallpaper one? Or if they not 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:12.880 said it yet. 1:35:13.400 --> 1:35:16.439 I have had so many numbers, it's hard. 1:35:16.560 --> 1:35:18.640 And do they do the surveillance that is endemic to 1:35:18.720 --> 1:35:21.599 smart TVs or is it like a dumb TV when 1:35:21.640 --> 1:35:24.280 it comes to sending information about what you're watching? 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:27.040 Yeah, I don't know that either. I had our TV 1:35:27.120 --> 1:35:27.800 experts cover it. 1:35:27.880 --> 1:35:28.320 I just know that. 1:35:28.400 --> 1:35:30.759 I mean Consumer Union every time they look at TV's 1:35:30.760 --> 1:35:32.759 are like very good one for us to look into. 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:35.880 The stuff like the wallpaper TV and the transparent TV 1:35:36.280 --> 1:35:39.320 aren't even really marketed towards most like nos like they're 1:35:39.320 --> 1:35:41.280 they're kind of for like hotel lobbies or for like 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:42.600 like the paper. 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:45.280 TV feels more business could be. It feels like more 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:48.479 like something eventually a person might buy, rather than the 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:51.320 transparent one, which you know what keeps fucking that chicken Like, yeah, 1:35:51.760 --> 1:35:52.720 bring that weird ship with you. 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:53.200 I love that. 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:53.760 I love it. 1:35:54.000 --> 1:35:56.920 Speaking of weird Ship, Lenovo this year we're like, we 1:35:57.040 --> 1:35:58.519 really like this thing. We want to give it an 1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:01.639 a war. Let's think about like how which the Lenovo 1:36:01.920 --> 1:36:04.240 Legion Pro seven eye rollable concept? 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:05.360 Is that the one that kind of rolls. 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:08.799 Yeah, it's a gaming laptop, but it's screen can expand 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:11.879 by rolling out into like twenty three point eight inches 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:14.240 of space, and so you can stop in between twenty 1:36:14.320 --> 1:36:16.439 one point five inches or so, so you get like 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:18.920 different aspect ratios when you're gaming and you just want 1:36:18.960 --> 1:36:20.559 to like drill in or you want to have discord 1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:21.719 show up on the ride or whatever. 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:26.120 It knows what ext you've unrolled it, and that it's 1:36:26.240 --> 1:36:26.920 always been the. 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:29.640 Trick, right, not understanding how to place these items on 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:31.200 the screen. But it's gotten there. 1:36:31.400 --> 1:36:33.599 It's very interesting and that's just the concept though. 1:36:34.120 --> 1:36:34.759 It's just a concept. 1:36:34.800 --> 1:36:36.840 But they last year they had a concept with the 1:36:37.080 --> 1:36:38.400 swivel which ended up being real. 1:36:38.560 --> 1:36:40.640 Actually the auto twist they're calling it this year. 1:36:40.800 --> 1:36:42.000 Yeah, but it's a laptop. 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:43.280 Yeah, it's a gaming labe. 1:36:43.320 --> 1:36:45.880 So this is like Butterfly keyboard, but Butterfly screen. But 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:48.479 it like slowly rolls. It rolls. It's not like a 1:36:48.560 --> 1:36:50.400 fold out press a button. 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:53.280 And yeah, yeah, oh my god, need to show you 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:55.680 a video. You don't unroll it, like no, not by hand. 1:36:55.920 --> 1:36:59.200 Yeah, yeah, it's I like that. I also think that 1:36:59.680 --> 1:37:02.280 we're approaching the point where we're limited by form factors, 1:37:02.320 --> 1:37:04.519 so that is cool. Yes, I hope they're able to 1:37:04.600 --> 1:37:08.479 do it in anything approaching affordability, right, I know that's 1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:11.160 not the same time. For like a decade we've talked 1:37:11.160 --> 1:37:13.880 about like rollable screens, screens. It's nice to see that 1:37:14.080 --> 1:37:17.679 in a consumer tech housing and not yanky and not janky. 1:37:18.439 --> 1:37:21.240 It had a little wobble, like just mentioned, it has 1:37:21.240 --> 1:37:23.759 a little bubble. But I'm kind of like, it's a concept. 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:27.280 It's a concept concept, a concept. You're not talking about 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:29.080 selling it. I kind of like it. But wh else 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:29.800 she got on the list? 1:37:29.920 --> 1:37:32.200 I want to shout out the I x I autofocus 1:37:32.280 --> 1:37:35.960 slash adaptive iewere Okay, so they're not officially as as 1:37:36.000 --> 1:37:37.680 I think the parachute they dropped in. They were like, 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:40.960 let's take some meetings. These are you know how multifocal 1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:43.479 slash bifocal classes right now are very clum. 1:37:43.600 --> 1:37:44.360 Now I don't know that. 1:37:44.479 --> 1:37:46.960 I don't know that, so some people might know, but 1:37:47.040 --> 1:37:49.360 they get very clunky and very chunky because you have 1:37:49.520 --> 1:37:51.040 like just the technology isn't there yet. 1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:53.240 I have a stupid question by folk, what is like 1:37:53.600 --> 1:37:54.599 so the top half. 1:37:54.520 --> 1:37:56.599 So some people have both near sighted and far sighted 1:37:56.640 --> 1:37:59.600 as you age, so you one prescription doesn't cut it. 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:01.880 You need one like and sometimes they cut your lens 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:04.320 so that the top half is for your alongside it 1:38:04.600 --> 1:38:05.720 and the bottom half is where you. 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:10.519 Right, That's what I have in this lens, okay. And 1:38:10.640 --> 1:38:13.679 it's minus progressive, so it's not a sharp line. That's 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:15.639 more magnified the further down it goes. 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:19.679 Okay, so those are like multifocal. So so I XI 1:38:20.200 --> 1:38:22.439 has technology. I'm very curious what you think about this 1:38:22.560 --> 1:38:26.719 corey where it's using a mix of like LEDs around 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:29.840 the lens to detect your gaze and where you're looking, 1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:34.479 and then a liquid crystal lens layer that changes the 1:38:34.720 --> 1:38:38.680 prescription of the lens so you're whenever you're wherever you're 1:38:38.680 --> 1:38:41.439 looking at something. It's just detecting the right prescription and 1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:46.160 just working the way it should. See a demo. R 1:38:46.280 --> 1:38:49.320 Matt Smith took a demo and he was impressed. We've 1:38:49.360 --> 1:38:51.880 already interviewed I x I in September. We've known this 1:38:51.960 --> 1:38:54.000 tech was coming, but now they're at CES with a 1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:54.519 working demo. 1:38:55.160 --> 1:38:56.560 So what I would want to know is like, so 1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:59.599 this sounds amazing. I had cataract surgery last year, okay, 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:03.960 and I got what's called oh god, I can't monofocus. 1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:07.840 So this eye is focused at monovision. Rather, this eye 1:39:07.880 --> 1:39:10.120 is focused at twenty three inches. This eye is focused 1:39:10.120 --> 1:39:13.320 at twenty five feet. My brain switches between them depending 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:15.360 on what I'm looking at. And then this is the 1:39:15.400 --> 1:39:17.759 only corrective region in my glasses. It's on the distance 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:19.599 eye and it's a close up region, so that if 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:21.240 I'm reading on this side, I don't have to turn 1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:22.920 my head right, but I can get around. Like I 1:39:23.080 --> 1:39:25.320 just went skiing without my glasses on for the first time. 1:39:25.360 --> 1:39:28.479 My life is fucking amazing. Oh wow, no fog, nothing 1:39:28.680 --> 1:39:32.840 like just so great scuba diving, just terrific. The thing 1:39:32.880 --> 1:39:34.759 I'd be worried about, as a man who has dropped 1:39:34.800 --> 1:39:39.280 his glasses fourteen million times, is what happens when these 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:40.280 things fall off your face. 1:39:40.760 --> 1:39:42.280 Well, I don't know yet. I think it has to 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:44.560 depend on who they team up with on the like 1:39:44.680 --> 1:39:46.800 frames as well, and how they build these into like 1:39:46.920 --> 1:39:49.960 retail ready products. I don't have all the details yet 1:39:50.080 --> 1:39:51.960 because it was a late entrance to our lac as 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:52.800 a Wars discussions. 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:55.360 It's an amazing idea, but also and the fact that 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:57.000 they made it work is incredibly and. 1:39:57.200 --> 1:39:59.280 Is there anything more consumer tech than that? 1:39:59.720 --> 1:39:59.880 Right? 1:40:00.200 --> 1:40:00.919 Right glasses. 1:40:01.000 --> 1:40:04.519 And also one more thing, spectacle technology. I glasses technology 1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:07.560 hasn't changed. It's been stagnant since the nineteen fifties, So 1:40:07.680 --> 1:40:09.200 for something like this to happen, it'd be cool. And 1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:13.920 also imagine getting like one pair of lenses that you theoretically, 1:40:14.200 --> 1:40:17.320 hypothetically don't need to keep changing as your eye as 1:40:17.360 --> 1:40:21.040 your worsen or changes that could be sustainable, could be 1:40:21.240 --> 1:40:23.439 just for your cost, for your budget. That would be 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:25.799 great too. So I just think there's so much potential. 1:40:25.880 --> 1:40:27.439 We were so exciting, really cool. 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:30.080 Multiple people could wear the glasses, I guess could be. 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:33.400 I can't say because I think for them they can't 1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:34.320 say things they love. 1:40:35.640 --> 1:40:37.240 I'd love to know, like, can you put it in 1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:40.440 I'm painting D and D mini's mode and have it ratchet. 1:40:41.840 --> 1:40:43.479 Hypothetically? Why not? 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:46.439 You know, my grandfather was a watchmaker and he wore 1:40:46.439 --> 1:40:49.559 a jeweler's loop. Yes, professional life and you know Popeye 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:51.600 squint right, Like if you could just be like, no, 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:54.040 I'm on the job now, I'm fixing a watch movement 1:40:54.080 --> 1:40:55.680 and it just suddenly zooms up. 1:40:55.800 --> 1:40:58.120 You know, yeah, going to be pretty so cool. 1:40:58.400 --> 1:40:59.880 That's just really cool technologies. 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:01.800 So we were very glad we were able to see 1:41:01.800 --> 1:41:03.280 it here and then we you know, we talked about 1:41:03.280 --> 1:41:05.240 the wheel Move earlier in the episode, gave the wheel 1:41:05.320 --> 1:41:10.240 Move an award. We just didn't see enough sustainable slash 1:41:10.360 --> 1:41:15.400 transport related technologies to have something for those categories. Literally 1:41:15.600 --> 1:41:17.920 just there were there were things. They just weren't good. 1:41:18.000 --> 1:41:19.519 No, no, I mean you didn't have anything you could 1:41:19.520 --> 1:41:20.280 give an award to. 1:41:20.840 --> 1:41:22.920 I mean all those personal helicopters I think could serve 1:41:22.920 --> 1:41:25.000 a great public service helicopters. 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:26.400 Oh yeah, you can see. 1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:29.000 Yeah, so Richer is from last year. 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:30.599 I talked. 1:41:30.600 --> 1:41:32.080 I talked with Richer last year. There was there was 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:33.680 I saw two personal helicopters this year. 1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:36.160 One of them was Richter. Yeah. 1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:38.000 I think I think we should be giving giving those 1:41:38.080 --> 1:41:41.200 out to me. No, not to you, you're not You're 1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:43.600 not rich enough. I think we should be giving the 1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:48.400 personal helicopters to like maybe the top like point five people. 1:41:48.680 --> 1:41:51.720 Everyone should happen with whirling blades on the sale free. No, 1:41:51.800 --> 1:41:52.760 I think everye they should all. 1:41:52.800 --> 1:41:55.040 We should all as a as a victory trilphy for 1:41:55.240 --> 1:41:59.200 you won, you won, you won, society piece. Right here, 1:41:59.400 --> 1:42:01.920 We're going to give you this personal helicopter. It's gonna 1:42:01.960 --> 1:42:05.280 work great, it'll be fine. It's just as much as 1:42:05.360 --> 1:42:05.679 you want. 1:42:05.760 --> 1:42:09.559 That pairs very nicely with this thing we saw. Oh god, 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:12.599 so we saw a personal airbag for old people worried 1:42:12.600 --> 1:42:13.559 about breaking their hips. 1:42:13.800 --> 1:42:16.360 And it sounds that you fall Yeah, it sounds like 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:18.519 a good idea until you learn the details. 1:42:18.640 --> 1:42:21.280 Well, the business model, yes, So the business model is 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:23.880 so if you fall over, they call, they call the 1:42:24.040 --> 1:42:24.880 emergency services. 1:42:25.000 --> 1:42:27.800 Yeah, that's a forty dollars a month subscription, which is nice. 1:42:27.960 --> 1:42:31.120 And I said to the guy, like, is Twilio that expensive, 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:34.720 because like that's you're paying like like tiny amounts of 1:42:34.760 --> 1:42:37.679 money for one take. There's so many fall detection Yeah, 1:42:38.680 --> 1:42:41.560 like it's like there's no fucking way in hell. And 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:43.960 you can't repack the airbag after you use it. 1:42:44.200 --> 1:42:46.080 So it's it's use. 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:48.880 You get four eight hundred dollars for two airbags what 1:42:49.280 --> 1:42:51.720 and forty bucks a month? Otherwise, all it does is 1:42:51.760 --> 1:42:54.920 the airbag thing. It doesn't. It doesn't. They're trying to scam. 1:42:55.040 --> 1:42:58.720 Let's scam people trying to scam it from medica. They were, well, yeah, 1:42:58.720 --> 1:43:01.360 they were trying to get medicare proof. Man, who's also 1:43:01.400 --> 1:43:04.880 had a hip replacement, but two hip replacements. Uh, and 1:43:05.200 --> 1:43:06.840 was the youngest person on the ward when I had 1:43:06.880 --> 1:43:10.720 it done that, Like, you know, forty month subscription from 1:43:10.720 --> 1:43:13.400 an eighty year old does not generate that much revenue over. 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:21.120 Months. Forty bucks. Fuck you man, it's a Twilio thing. 1:43:21.400 --> 1:43:23.160 It's well, you're just paying Twilio. 1:43:23.600 --> 1:43:25.720 So then wouldn't you want to like make sure the 1:43:25.920 --> 1:43:28.040 airbag is repackable because then you. 1:43:28.120 --> 1:43:30.679 Have m you don't know if it's going to work. 1:43:30.840 --> 1:43:33.439 If the old person with the arthritis repacks it, then 1:43:33.479 --> 1:43:34.760 we're worried that break a hip. 1:43:35.040 --> 1:43:36.920 But then then they stop paying the forty dollars a 1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:38.559 month Onnesday is But. 1:43:38.640 --> 1:43:40.880 Another argument is if you get saved from breaking a 1:43:40.960 --> 1:43:43.960 hip twice in a row, you'll happily buy another set 1:43:44.000 --> 1:43:44.559 of airbags. 1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:47.800 That that may be true. Yeah, it's just I'm like, 1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:49.760 the more I think about it's like, oh yeah, it's 1:43:49.760 --> 1:43:53.240 forty bucks months for the text, which costs like a 1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:56.639 tenth of a cent, which will also only have happened 1:43:56.800 --> 1:43:59.880 ideally twice twice in the life of the product, right 1:44:00.120 --> 1:44:02.320 like ideally never, but if you use them, this will 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:05.680 cost them feat So if you own it for ten years, right, 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:07.160 and what a you're actually paying for it. 1:44:07.439 --> 1:44:12.200 You have paid several thousand night what was up costs again? 1:44:12.640 --> 1:44:15.200 Eight hundred bucks for eight hundred and then forty a month. 1:44:15.360 --> 1:44:17.960 That's right, that's right. And he was like, we're working 1:44:18.000 --> 1:44:21.040 there's no Medicare code for this, yet, we're working on it. Well, 1:44:21.320 --> 1:44:23.800 I'm sure, I'm sure that's all they're working on. 1:44:23.960 --> 1:44:26.120 I could see the Medicare case for it, right, if 1:44:26.160 --> 1:44:28.960 you're starting to get inner ear problems, or if you're old, 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:29.640 brittle or. 1:44:29.760 --> 1:44:31.679 Whatever you balance, I can see the point. I could 1:44:31.680 --> 1:44:33.920 see why Medicare would buy you a set of airbag, 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:36.920 just not the fucking subscription. Fuck you like, make the 1:44:36.960 --> 1:44:40.040 subscription five bucks a month like that. Even then you're like, 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:42.000 you're still making insane magin my. 1:44:42.120 --> 1:44:45.680 Guess these things they're manufacturing in the small runs, it's 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:48.240 costing them more than eight hundred bucks. That they're losing 1:44:48.320 --> 1:44:49.720 money on the eight hundred bucks. And they're like, this 1:44:49.920 --> 1:44:52.400 is how we will make a profit is we'll sell 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:53.240 a loss leader and. 1:44:53.320 --> 1:44:55.600 Will sounds like a bad business to me. 1:44:55.800 --> 1:44:57.760 It does well, it sounds like a case for like 1:44:57.880 --> 1:44:59.679 public investment in medical technology. 1:44:59.760 --> 1:45:04.080 Well, oh, what a lady, we need more knife drones. 1:45:05.479 --> 1:45:07.360 We need is that what we're calling the person a helicopter? 1:45:07.520 --> 1:45:12.320 Now? No ideal in a perfect world. No, the personal 1:45:12.400 --> 1:45:15.560 helicopters are very safe and you're very rich, and you 1:45:15.680 --> 1:45:19.599 need one, yes, trying them out. You don't need training, 1:45:19.960 --> 1:45:21.760 there's an no. You're smart, you're rich. 1:45:23.720 --> 1:45:24.400 G I run it. 1:45:24.880 --> 1:45:25.080 Yeah. 1:45:25.400 --> 1:45:28.439 Yeah, We've built an obstacle course for it. You can 1:45:28.520 --> 1:45:31.880 fly over like lava and acid and broken glass. 1:45:31.640 --> 1:45:34.080 And you'll be you have the lathe of Heaven. You'll 1:45:34.080 --> 1:45:37.439 be the mandate of Heaven. Even sorry, late of Heaven. 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:39.920 My brain just like, what words do you need? I 1:45:39.960 --> 1:45:40.640 don't fucking know. 1:45:40.760 --> 1:45:43.479 You've just lath that into consistence. That's leg the l 1:45:43.640 --> 1:45:44.120 of Heaven. 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:47.200 There, Yes, thank you. Look for too much farming in 1:45:47.320 --> 1:45:50.679 earth to see. Yeah, it's I'm actually a little sad 1:45:50.760 --> 1:45:52.760 you don't have more. I'm not saying this is. 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:57.120 A criticism, it's like, but it's like, even right, even. 1:45:57.000 --> 1:46:00.080 Last year, it felt like there was more. Yucks, it 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:00.400 was more. 1:46:00.479 --> 1:46:03.920 Definitely exactly more square footage is taken up by the 1:46:04.080 --> 1:46:06.920 l M rappers and by just and by robotics and 1:46:07.439 --> 1:46:11.880 sometimes combined. Sometimes it's a robot both not both rapper. 1:46:12.040 --> 1:46:13.840 Did you see the Project Ava thing by. 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:17.679 Yeah, we've talked about the wife and I haven't what's 1:46:17.680 --> 1:46:19.200 the I when you see the project everything, I have 1:46:19.280 --> 1:46:19.840 not seen it yet. 1:46:19.840 --> 1:46:20.759 It's this tube. 1:46:22.800 --> 1:46:25.320 And you talk to the Hends like it's like Oscar 1:46:25.360 --> 1:46:25.960 and there or something. 1:46:26.720 --> 1:46:29.160 I don't know the name of the Kira. 1:46:29.240 --> 1:46:32.600 I guess it's the name project It's Project Kira is 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:36.000 apparently some anime thing. And then you can have a 1:46:36.200 --> 1:46:38.800 guy with tattoos, you can have a woman in a 1:46:38.880 --> 1:46:43.320 business suit. It's like yeah, and it's just like I 1:46:43.400 --> 1:46:45.360 feel like if you try and not that they're selling 1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:47.120 its concept, you try and buy one that should put 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:48.640 you on a list. So I did. 1:46:48.760 --> 1:46:51.920 I did walk by that that really grows sex robot and. 1:46:55.320 --> 1:46:56.000 Tell me everything. 1:46:56.040 --> 1:46:58.000 I had a hard time looking at it, like I 1:46:58.200 --> 1:46:59.880 like walked up to this side and I looking at 1:46:59.880 --> 1:47:03.000 it hands and it just looked like a corpse. 1:47:03.200 --> 1:47:06.839 It's so simple, what is this? This is a robot 1:47:07.160 --> 1:47:10.080 that looks kind of like a woman and you aumence, 1:47:10.240 --> 1:47:13.360 so we're talking real doll style, yes, okay. 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:17.920 And allegedly this is something that you can have intercourse with. 1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:21.800 And I walked up to the side and it has 1:47:21.800 --> 1:47:24.679 a very realistic looking skin texture, but its head moves 1:47:24.760 --> 1:47:27.920 like a like a like like an old Disney animatronic 1:47:29.240 --> 1:47:33.040 and it has like an LLLM that's trying to talk 1:47:33.280 --> 1:47:35.840 and move its mouth. And I stood there for about 1:47:35.880 --> 1:47:38.120 ten seconds and I had to leave. I walked around 1:47:38.160 --> 1:47:41.519 the corner and they had the little AI avatar section 1:47:41.640 --> 1:47:44.600 which wasn't working because of the Wi Fi. Nice but 1:47:44.800 --> 1:47:46.280 it's like the AA avatar that you can talk to 1:47:46.280 --> 1:47:48.960 you which is synced to the little like jack Off robot, 1:47:49.479 --> 1:47:51.120 so you can you can you can talk to talk 1:47:51.160 --> 1:47:52.280 to the AI and then it can. 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:53.160 Jack you off. 1:47:53.479 --> 1:47:55.800 That is a hell of a good cave accessory. Yeah. 1:47:55.840 --> 1:47:57.599 Well, and it also the jack Off robot. 1:47:58.040 --> 1:48:00.720 This company's been around to the twenty fourteen the jet well, no, 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:02.439 this is this is this is still the Love Sense 1:48:03.600 --> 1:48:06.519 Love Both booth and they've been run for a while. 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:11.120 Did it did not look that good? But yes, but 1:48:11.680 --> 1:48:14.040 it connects to games as well, connect online gaming. 1:48:14.280 --> 1:48:17.760 Wow, So so it really is you want to Tetris? Well, 1:48:17.920 --> 1:48:20.160 you know, if they can connect. 1:48:19.840 --> 1:48:23.839 That trying to find a way into making the Tetris 1:48:23.920 --> 1:48:27.360 movie for years, you were going to be like They've 1:48:27.360 --> 1:48:28.880 been trying to fu Tetris for years. 1:48:28.960 --> 1:48:29.479 We never will. 1:48:30.040 --> 1:48:31.320 This is the plot of the Tetris. 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:33.880 Mean, finally, if they can connect it to like Final 1:48:33.960 --> 1:48:37.400 Fantasy Vin remake and have and and have Cloud, then 1:48:37.439 --> 1:48:38.960 maybe they could have a real product on their hands. 1:48:38.960 --> 1:48:40.519 Well maybe they should do that because Cloud has a 1:48:40.560 --> 1:48:44.360 wonderful cross dressing section and also Cloud completely autistic and no, 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:46.720 not horny at all. No, I think that whole game 1:48:46.800 --> 1:48:48.960 is trying to avoid having sex. I think I think you. 1:48:49.120 --> 1:48:51.280 I think you would would be a great addition. This 1:48:51.439 --> 1:48:53.360 is so like but like I'm not going to judge 1:48:53.360 --> 1:48:55.200 them for the sex, but whatever. But it's also just 1:48:55.320 --> 1:48:57.680 like the idea that you looked at it and immediately 1:48:57.760 --> 1:49:00.479 faced revulsion. It made me feel and not in like 1:49:00.560 --> 1:49:02.799 a not just like a Christian moral in a judgment, 1:49:03.280 --> 1:49:06.640 more mostly well a little bit, but most mostly in 1:49:06.680 --> 1:49:09.000 like an uncanny valley way, like if if if I 1:49:09.520 --> 1:49:12.639 was engaged in this thing, it would it would feel 1:49:12.880 --> 1:49:14.320 kind of like necrophilia. 1:49:14.960 --> 1:49:18.000 Oh god, and realistic skin is not a phrase that 1:49:18.040 --> 1:49:20.479 I like saying sex have been a thing for a while, 1:49:20.760 --> 1:49:21.720 But yes, it's just the. 1:49:24.439 --> 1:49:27.400 Which but for me that increases if it's just a 1:49:27.560 --> 1:49:30.799 limp object. Then it is a necrophilia thing, but it's simple. 1:49:31.120 --> 1:49:31.320 Yeah. 1:49:31.600 --> 1:49:34.200 Just the fact that it's trying to kind of behave 1:49:34.320 --> 1:49:36.920 human I think makes it makes more makes that reaction, 1:49:37.320 --> 1:49:40.240 that makes that negative Uncanny Valley reaction a bit stronger, 1:49:40.439 --> 1:49:41.000 very strange. 1:49:41.040 --> 1:49:43.639 And also they put them in odd places. It sounds 1:49:43.720 --> 1:49:45.320 like they don't have a Do they have a sex 1:49:45.400 --> 1:49:49.800 pavilion here? No? Not, it's in like the health tech section. 1:49:51.560 --> 1:49:54.080 Notoriously right, there was a best in show that was 1:49:54.120 --> 1:49:56.280 rescinded for us, Yeah, bustin show. 1:49:56.600 --> 1:49:58.479 Yeah, for a woman sex toy that. 1:49:58.640 --> 1:50:01.320 Was like, not Lioness, it was Laura de Carlo, that's it. 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:04.280 Yeah, And so they've had this love hate relationship. I 1:50:04.360 --> 1:50:06.599 mean when I was sex timing twenty some years ago, 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:09.519 this was oh my Bob was always a thing. Well, 1:50:09.560 --> 1:50:10.960 and it was being held at the same time as 1:50:11.000 --> 1:50:13.720 the adult show well yeah, and so people would there 1:50:13.720 --> 1:50:15.720 would be this kind of crossover, and you could go 1:50:15.760 --> 1:50:17.920 to the party sometimes at AVN and stuff. 1:50:17.960 --> 1:50:18.960 You had to see it. 1:50:19.120 --> 1:50:20.800 I had to walk past some of the AVI and 1:50:20.920 --> 1:50:23.160 like expo ares and the booze to get to a 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:26.040 Lenovo briefing. One time. Wow rules it was fun. 1:50:26.240 --> 1:50:28.760 Other times I'm so sad. I'm so sad I missed it. 1:50:29.080 --> 1:50:31.760 I like the idea that they all these staid kind 1:50:31.840 --> 1:50:34.559 of like tech executives seven to walk past the ass 1:50:34.600 --> 1:50:37.519 plus the five thousand have you it was with their 1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:39.920 bums is fine. No, it's just very strange to have 1:50:40.000 --> 1:50:42.120 it like sticking in the middle of like the various 1:50:42.200 --> 1:50:45.000 health tracking l MS powered. 1:50:45.760 --> 1:50:46.960 There was a party. 1:50:47.439 --> 1:50:50.080 Absolutely it was AI or l l M powered because 1:50:50.280 --> 1:50:53.280 it's an l I mean, it's the at least like 1:50:53.360 --> 1:50:56.400 the anime one was more interactable. Even so the Project 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:58.280 Dave it was, Yeah, I meant the sex Box. No, 1:50:58.600 --> 1:51:01.200 I'm talking about that. Yeah, because it has it has 1:51:01.360 --> 1:51:03.360 it has it has the AI avatar hooked up to 1:51:03.400 --> 1:51:06.360 the jacking off the machine and yeah, it is. 1:51:06.479 --> 1:51:06.680 It is. 1:51:08.360 --> 1:51:10.040 So this is like in the N E S where 1:51:10.080 --> 1:51:12.240 you had the robot that would pick up the spinning 1:51:12.320 --> 1:51:14.559 top and it would match the action on the screen. 1:51:14.600 --> 1:51:16.880 So you had a physical robot, you had a virtual robot. 1:51:16.960 --> 1:51:18.320 It's just like the original N E S. 1:51:18.439 --> 1:51:22.479 Yeah, basically with fucking cuck Hunt and it's like it's 1:51:22.560 --> 1:51:25.120 like it's like right next to like three like smart Watch. 1:51:25.160 --> 1:51:27.400 That was the thing I was saying, that's exactly it's 1:51:27.439 --> 1:51:27.920 like you've got. 1:51:30.120 --> 1:51:33.799 For the smart watch, booth and show boss. 1:51:34.160 --> 1:51:37.120 I'm really sorry, just stare at you need you need 1:51:37.200 --> 1:51:39.960 to find us. Yeah, we're right by the Bonamax. 1:51:40.240 --> 1:51:43.240 The CMO really wants pictures of the booth frontage before 1:51:43.280 --> 1:51:44.680 we tear down. Can you make sure you get a 1:51:44.720 --> 1:51:47.320 picture of this? Try not to get the fuck bought 1:51:47.960 --> 1:51:48.360 the shot. 1:51:50.000 --> 1:51:51.920 That's but to your point, Corey, the ct A has 1:51:52.000 --> 1:51:54.200 struggled with what it wants to do with this sex 1:51:54.240 --> 1:51:57.640 technology because we know that with everything sex cells R 1:51:57.680 --> 1:52:01.439 and sex tech well like advance faster than any other 1:52:01.560 --> 1:52:04.479 kinds of tech. Forget about people with accessibility needs right, 1:52:04.479 --> 1:52:06.840 and so the CTA knows it needs to cover up 1:52:06.840 --> 1:52:08.679 some space, but it won't give you a dedicated because 1:52:08.720 --> 1:52:10.320 it somehow wants to be family friendly. 1:52:10.600 --> 1:52:12.000 Yeah, it's so ridiculous. 1:52:12.000 --> 1:52:12.639 All of the kids. 1:52:14.720 --> 1:52:17.519 Now we've turned into basically the like games Fares or 1:52:17.560 --> 1:52:18.960 the toy fest. That's true in New. 1:52:18.960 --> 1:52:21.519 York because of all I wish, No I will push back. 1:52:22.120 --> 1:52:23.559 I agree with you, that's not enough. 1:52:23.680 --> 1:52:25.080 If you want to make this a need more fun. 1:52:25.160 --> 1:52:26.519 The goofy dipshit show. 1:52:26.680 --> 1:52:27.080 It should be. 1:52:27.240 --> 1:52:28.920 I would love to. I would love to see some 1:52:29.160 --> 1:52:30.920 useless crap that's just kind of funny. 1:52:31.040 --> 1:52:33.920 But that's the International Pavilions because they are like the 1:52:34.120 --> 1:52:37.599 Country of Turkey sponsors twenty entrepreneurs to show up. They're 1:52:37.760 --> 1:52:40.040 each weirder than the last. A lot of them are 1:52:40.080 --> 1:52:45.439 really delightful to give them credit. Were not toys. 1:52:45.560 --> 1:52:48.080 They were like, we made a photonic cell, we made 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:51.160 a solar panel thing, we made specific software for this, 1:52:51.360 --> 1:52:53.680 that and the other, which is awesome. And those people rock. 1:52:54.080 --> 1:52:56.840 Not fun to talk about a podcast, but very funny 1:52:56.920 --> 1:52:59.280 to look at and be like, oh cool, someone's useful hair. 1:52:59.520 --> 1:53:03.120 And then there is just stuff. It is the listeners 1:53:03.160 --> 1:53:06.280 already like, oh it's I was just saying, there's nothing here. 1:53:06.880 --> 1:53:09.320 You fucking come to this and you do a podcast, asshole. 1:53:09.400 --> 1:53:12.360 But it's just frustrating because I love a dude that 1:53:12.520 --> 1:53:14.640 like having Michael on to show us the clicks was 1:53:15.040 --> 1:53:17.639 nice because it was a thingy and it was so cool, 1:53:18.040 --> 1:53:19.960 and also I really do like it and I love 1:53:20.040 --> 1:53:21.760 my corn. If it was bad, I would have been 1:53:21.800 --> 1:53:23.720 in a real If it was like, actually ship, I 1:53:23.760 --> 1:53:26.760 would have genuinely been sad because I would have had 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:27.880 to find a way to trash it with. 1:53:28.000 --> 1:53:29.560 I did avoid him for a year after trying the 1:53:29.600 --> 1:53:30.519 first click s keyboard. 1:53:30.760 --> 1:53:37.040 Oh oh yeah, clicks clicks was that shit? Yaers again 1:53:37.080 --> 1:53:37.400 this year? 1:53:37.479 --> 1:53:39.840 Yeah, we just had Michael on and we liked the 1:53:39.880 --> 1:53:43.800 clicks thing personally the case not for me, but nevertheless, 1:53:43.840 --> 1:53:45.640 it's like, at least you fucking tried. And the other 1:53:45.680 --> 1:53:48.519 thing that pisses me off is clicks proves that other 1:53:48.640 --> 1:53:51.400 people could just because Android can fit into all sorts 1:53:51.439 --> 1:53:54.000 of things, you could be trying all sorts of weird 1:53:54.080 --> 1:53:57.519 fucking smartphone shit. You could have weird like a tube 1:53:57.720 --> 1:54:00.720 smartphone kinds of tubes that this one when we have 1:54:00.840 --> 1:54:03.560 a smartphone tube. But no, it's like, how do we 1:54:04.720 --> 1:54:06.760 charge you for using the chat gptap? 1:54:06.960 --> 1:54:08.400 I mean, there was a time where you go to 1:54:08.520 --> 1:54:10.280 like Guanhou and you go to the big mall and 1:54:10.320 --> 1:54:11.000 there'd be the phone that. 1:54:11.080 --> 1:54:14.920 Was shaped like a Marlboro Hell yeah yeah, and that 1:54:15.040 --> 1:54:16.840 ship rocks. We should have more of that. But no, 1:54:16.920 --> 1:54:21.519 it's like it's it feels like the most nihilistic cis ever. 1:54:21.640 --> 1:54:24.000 It's just people being like I feel it gets worse 1:54:24.080 --> 1:54:26.599 from here. I feel it's just the beginning. 1:54:26.760 --> 1:54:28.880 So my theory is that actually gets better from here, 1:54:29.000 --> 1:54:31.559 but it gets the apocalypse is so much worse because 1:54:31.560 --> 1:54:33.360 if you look at this and you realize how much 1:54:33.520 --> 1:54:35.120 LM crap there is, yes, then. 1:54:35.040 --> 1:54:37.000 They realize, I think this is a I think this 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:37.680 is a dip year. 1:54:38.120 --> 1:54:41.240 Yeah, like this will be because Corey, to your point, Oh, 1:54:41.320 --> 1:54:45.280 the commodity of LMS just because the Chinese models are cheap, 1:54:45.280 --> 1:54:48.240 but doesn't mean that their margin positive. That's also true, 1:54:48.960 --> 1:54:51.800 zupe zgine. I forget which one went went public and 1:54:51.920 --> 1:54:54.880 they like lost. They spent three hundred million dollars in 1:54:55.080 --> 1:54:57.400 or two hundred and something million dollars in six months 1:54:57.440 --> 1:54:59.600 and made twenty seven million dollars in revenue. Not great? 1:55:00.200 --> 1:55:01.760 Do that? Yeah, I mean like I could. If you 1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:03.720 want me to lose two undred million dollars call me. 1:55:04.080 --> 1:55:06.480 Well, look, if you have three million dollars and you're 1:55:06.520 --> 1:55:08.960 expecting a twenty some million dollar return, I'll tell you what. 1:55:09.240 --> 1:55:11.000 I'll give you a twenty eight million dollar return. 1:55:11.120 --> 1:55:12.000 Nice, how would you do it? 1:55:12.520 --> 1:55:15.880 I will just keep all but twenty eight million, right right? 1:55:15.920 --> 1:55:21.800 Okay, it's no, it's like investing in like vineyards, like yeah, no, 1:55:21.960 --> 1:55:25.000 it's and it's like all of these companies that rely 1:55:25.080 --> 1:55:26.680 on LM's going away because they're going to get more 1:55:26.720 --> 1:55:29.280 expensive and it's going to be apocalyptic. I think twenty 1:55:29.360 --> 1:55:31.360 twenty seven could be like a really fucked up youf 1:55:31.400 --> 1:55:34.400 many reasons, but CEUs twenty twenty seven would be really fun, might. 1:55:34.320 --> 1:55:36.520 Be really but usually remind me what I wanted to 1:55:36.560 --> 1:55:39.320 talk about, which is Pete Wharton. We were talking about 1:55:39.400 --> 1:55:42.360 him yesterday. So Pete Warton is an old school hardware 1:55:42.440 --> 1:55:46.560 hacker specializing in machine learning and finding cool like one 1:55:46.560 --> 1:55:48.880 of the people who was like figuring out that you 1:55:48.920 --> 1:55:51.800 could use GPUs to do machine learning a million years ago. 1:55:52.120 --> 1:55:56.040 And he just demoed on his blog a local AI 1:55:56.320 --> 1:55:58.880 voice agent running on a system on a chip that 1:55:59.040 --> 1:56:02.360 costs less than ten dollars. So he's got an SoC. 1:56:02.680 --> 1:56:03.880 It's like an eight dollar SoC. 1:56:04.080 --> 1:56:04.920 You can put it in on EVA. 1:56:05.080 --> 1:56:05.120 You. 1:56:05.720 --> 1:56:07.680 The demo he built was a button you that on 1:56:07.800 --> 1:56:10.400 your dishwasher and you smack the button and you say, 1:56:10.480 --> 1:56:12.920 my filter is clogged, and it goes through the manual 1:56:13.040 --> 1:56:15.240 and it finds the relatives just on the chip. And 1:56:15.520 --> 1:56:18.240 it's all on chip, and we are again total cost 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:19.560 of goods under ten dollars. 1:56:19.960 --> 1:56:23.400 He built a whole model for this is his own model. Yeah, 1:56:24.000 --> 1:56:25.760 and it all it does is reference and manual. 1:56:25.880 --> 1:56:28.120 All that is the kind that is the scale of 1:56:28.240 --> 1:56:30.440 task it can do. So he can. That's why it's 1:56:30.640 --> 1:56:32.560 like they could do other kinds of tasks. 1:56:32.600 --> 1:56:35.000 But he's like, I can build you an eight dollar 1:56:35.240 --> 1:56:39.040 SoC with a model running on it that will help 1:56:39.120 --> 1:56:41.320 you build your ikea furniture, whatever. All this kind of 1:56:41.640 --> 1:56:43.680 there's a lot of room at the bottom. Here is 1:56:43.720 --> 1:56:45.520 what I'm saying. And he has this other post. When 1:56:45.560 --> 1:56:47.600 I was looking for the post, I found another one, 1:56:47.720 --> 1:56:50.240 which the title says it all. I know we're in 1:56:50.320 --> 1:56:54.000 an AI bubble because nobody wants me crying emoji. So 1:56:54.120 --> 1:56:57.080 here's a guy who does real things that are absolutely sustainable, 1:56:57.280 --> 1:57:00.360 Like could you be revenue positive shipping AI models run 1:57:01.040 --> 1:57:03.400 on hardware that costs less than ten dollars? I bet 1:57:03.440 --> 1:57:06.760 you fucking could. Yeah, right, and and uh and like 1:57:06.920 --> 1:57:09.640 everyone's like, yeah, but the way we raise money is 1:57:09.720 --> 1:57:13.640 from punters who don't understand the technology and whose only 1:57:13.720 --> 1:57:15.960 way of assessing the upside is how much money we 1:57:16.040 --> 1:57:18.120 spend on it. This is the pile of shit and 1:57:18.560 --> 1:57:21.360 has a pony underneath it, right, And so we have 1:57:21.560 --> 1:57:23.800 to spend a lot of money to prove to them 1:57:23.920 --> 1:57:25.520 that we will make a lot of money. If we 1:57:25.600 --> 1:57:27.040 show them a thing that is. 1:57:27.480 --> 1:57:29.640 Profitable, because it's very cheap to make, they'll be like, well, 1:57:29.680 --> 1:57:32.080 there's no upside. I'm just really worried because even in 1:57:32.160 --> 1:57:36.200 the Indiego go years, Indiegogo was not everything. This is 1:57:36.360 --> 1:57:40.160 like AI has taken everything in people Anyone listening to 1:57:40.240 --> 1:57:42.160 this being like AI is this or that and the 1:57:42.200 --> 1:57:43.360 other like AI is taking over. 1:57:43.880 --> 1:57:46.520 No. The thing I can remember that most closely mirrors. 1:57:46.600 --> 1:57:49.160 This year was the year that was about the Internet 1:57:49.240 --> 1:57:49.600 of things. 1:57:49.800 --> 1:57:52.960 Everything so get annoying. 1:57:52.960 --> 1:57:55.000 I was so annoyed. I was just stop saying fucking 1:57:55.040 --> 1:57:55.640 internet of things. 1:57:56.000 --> 1:57:59.600 Oh, what's the term internet of shit? Now? The beacons 1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:03.760 I I beacons one million times. It's like, we will 1:58:03.760 --> 1:58:05.840 put an eye beacon that you're I want to device, 1:58:05.920 --> 1:58:09.320 like fucking Howard will put an ibacon hair Like it's 1:58:09.480 --> 1:58:10.440 fucking ridiculous. 1:58:10.440 --> 1:58:11.080 Where has it gone? 1:58:11.480 --> 1:58:15.440 Nowhere? No, it was just like mad lips like five 1:58:15.520 --> 1:58:17.520 G autonomous IoT. 1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:22.200 But but IoT is is similar in the sense that 1:58:22.400 --> 1:58:25.320 like it's also rappers for things. It's also like small 1:58:25.360 --> 1:58:28.200 little gadgets that don't do much and they're all e ways. 1:58:28.320 --> 1:58:30.280 Now it doesn't cost as much because of the like 1:58:30.440 --> 1:58:30.720 none of. 1:58:30.720 --> 1:58:33.440 The l because there's not a GPU service running in 1:58:33.520 --> 1:58:36.080 the fucking cloud for it. It's just very unfortunate. I 1:58:36.120 --> 1:58:38.760 think next ces could be kind of barren because of this, 1:58:38.920 --> 1:58:42.680 because it's very like, if there were other options, they'd 1:58:42.720 --> 1:58:45.480 be buying boots and I don't think that are. 1:58:45.640 --> 1:58:47.240 Or maybe they were like priced out because there was 1:58:47.280 --> 1:58:47.840 so much AI. 1:58:48.120 --> 1:58:50.240 That's very possible, But the thing is it didn't. It 1:58:50.320 --> 1:58:52.560 looked kind of sparse too, like there was a lot 1:58:52.640 --> 1:58:55.040 more walking room than ever I feel like. 1:58:55.520 --> 1:58:57.800 And three after the dotcom crash was pretty good. This 1:58:57.960 --> 1:59:01.120 is actually how was it. It was full of people 1:59:01.280 --> 1:59:05.040 doing weird and interesting things, none of which made a mark, 1:59:05.120 --> 1:59:08.440 I think, but it was it was a time in 1:59:08.560 --> 1:59:11.080 which if you came to see us, it was because 1:59:11.160 --> 1:59:14.480 you had done something very improbable in a time in 1:59:14.520 --> 1:59:16.320 which there was no tech money. 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:19.080 That might be twenty twenty seven for real though, because 1:59:19.440 --> 1:59:23.080 even like LG with this kloid robot, it's like, hey, 1:59:23.240 --> 1:59:25.880 check this out, we're doing this thing. Well, we're not 1:59:26.080 --> 1:59:28.200 doing this thing, and you may be wondering if it 1:59:28.280 --> 1:59:31.360 does the thing we're talking about. It doesn't, but it's 1:59:31.480 --> 1:59:34.280 very slow at it and why do you want this? Well, 1:59:34.320 --> 1:59:34.920 you can't have it. 1:59:35.240 --> 1:59:37.680 I have a question for you. When you say it's bars, 1:59:37.680 --> 1:59:41.680 do you mean specifically some wholesome booth orp of. 1:59:41.720 --> 1:59:44.640 The Expost Center was fucking empty? And I don't just 1:59:44.720 --> 1:59:47.040 mean like it's the last day's I mean like there 1:59:47.080 --> 1:59:49.920 were just less things. There was less density. The usual 1:59:50.000 --> 1:59:53.080 dildo battery security camera area was really not present in 1:59:53.160 --> 1:59:55.760 the main hall in the same way. In fact, I 1:59:55.840 --> 1:59:58.400 found way more of those top side in a way 1:59:58.480 --> 2:00:01.520 that like I wouldn't usually. It's just very strange and 2:00:01.600 --> 2:00:05.040 I think there's a strain on venture capital money and money. 2:00:05.160 --> 2:00:07.560 Well south by Southwest last year the trade floor was 2:00:07.600 --> 2:00:10.240 a quarter of the size. Wow, and there was an 2:00:10.480 --> 2:00:15.200 entire row that was just massage guns. I saw. I 2:00:15.280 --> 2:00:18.400 saw an area of the Palazza way gambling would usually 2:00:18.400 --> 2:00:19.680 happen that was completely empty. 2:00:20.320 --> 2:00:24.680 That small worrying teapot, Yeah, ropes around it and they're 2:00:24.760 --> 2:00:25.440 like vacuuming. 2:00:25.840 --> 2:00:26.760 I wondered. 2:00:27.040 --> 2:00:29.480 The usually I ask you is the reason I asked 2:00:29.520 --> 2:00:33.160 you is because the West Hall and the LVCC Central 2:00:33.160 --> 2:00:34.880 Hall that this whole facelift. I don't know, if you 2:00:35.000 --> 2:00:39.280 see the Central Hall right this year, does it look different? 2:00:39.320 --> 2:00:41.960 I didd so different from last year. It is still 2:00:42.000 --> 2:00:43.840 kind of a slot. But because Central Hall is where 2:00:43.920 --> 2:00:47.280 Samsung and LG used to have their gigantic but right 2:00:47.320 --> 2:00:49.160 Samsung isn't there is doing the wind, So I think 2:00:49.200 --> 2:00:51.680 that contributes to feeling like there's not that much going 2:00:51.760 --> 2:00:54.400 on in the convention spaces, especially since Central Hall now 2:00:54.520 --> 2:00:57.960 too with the sort of remodel, looks much bigger and 2:00:58.120 --> 2:01:01.480 so you know, consequently like emptier and then has a 2:01:01.520 --> 2:01:04.080 lot more like glass windows light letting in light, which 2:01:04.120 --> 2:01:04.520 I love. 2:01:04.640 --> 2:01:05.080 It's nice. 2:01:05.240 --> 2:01:07.640 It's nice, but then also makes you feel like you 2:01:07.680 --> 2:01:10.160 can see daylight, and therefore it doesn't feel as packed 2:01:10.200 --> 2:01:11.080 and crowded and like that. 2:01:11.280 --> 2:01:13.000 And on top of the fact that a lot of 2:01:13.000 --> 2:01:14.440 the things are just like gone. 2:01:14.520 --> 2:01:16.280 The ELG wall display. 2:01:16.880 --> 2:01:19.520 Was so muted this I know, usually there's like this, 2:01:19.720 --> 2:01:22.800 like last year we have that giant transparent motherfucker, and 2:01:23.040 --> 2:01:28.200 I like the year with the big like curved spectacle. 2:01:28.280 --> 2:01:31.800 Unless you're a tractor, there's none. It's just I feel 2:01:31.880 --> 2:01:34.839 like I feel like we're years into just the Hubris 2:01:34.880 --> 2:01:36.880 Fest where it's just like, what if we didn't provide 2:01:36.920 --> 2:01:40.520 anything useful and jump to the latest trend. It's a shame. 2:01:40.840 --> 2:01:42.440 And as we come to the end of this first 2:01:42.480 --> 2:01:45.080 two hour block, I will just say I want to 2:01:45.120 --> 2:01:47.280 find cool stuff. And when we're back next year, which 2:01:47.320 --> 2:01:49.720 we will be, I hope we find more of it. 2:01:49.880 --> 2:01:52.600 And if you were someone with the CEA, when you're 2:01:52.640 --> 2:01:55.680 someone putting stuff here, please think of actual people because 2:01:55.680 --> 2:01:59.200 it's getting a little sad. But final words, Shelling, what 2:01:59.760 --> 2:02:02.840 one is your takeaway from this CS in general? Big question? 2:02:03.200 --> 2:02:05.360 Huh Yeah, I thought I had something to say and 2:02:05.400 --> 2:02:07.000 it's odd on my brain now, so I think I've 2:02:07.040 --> 2:02:08.440 run out of a RAM which everyone was in. 2:02:08.600 --> 2:02:10.920 Sorrying, well, everyone's running out of the Divendra was just 2:02:11.040 --> 2:02:13.240 on talking about the RAM crisis. But thank you for 2:02:13.320 --> 2:02:15.360 joining us, Thank you for having so many Engadget people, 2:02:15.400 --> 2:02:18.240 and we've had we had Christo and oh it's fucking 2:02:18.280 --> 2:02:20.880 great to like actually talk about consumer electronics. 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