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Speaker 2: And Bam, thank you, ma'am, im ed zechron and this

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Speaker 2: is Better Offlines coverage of the Consumer Electronics Show twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. We are now as we have been all

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Speaker 2: week here in the Palazzo Hotel and beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada,

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Speaker 2: bringing you yet another episode covering c YES with a

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Speaker 2: crazy assortment of guests from the tech industry. We've got

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Speaker 2: an open bar, we've got tacos, a place to sit

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Speaker 2: down for members of the media and friends, whether they

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Speaker 2: join us on the microphone or not. It's Friday, and

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Speaker 2: we're on the first of our final two episode days.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, that wasn't perfect, but you're just gonna

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Speaker 2: like it. Then an epilogue tomorrow and good lord, do

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Speaker 2: we have a wonderful show for you or we're beginning

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Speaker 2: very strong. The first contestants on the Better Offline Challenge

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Speaker 2: are the legendary activist, author, and journalist Corey doctro me

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Speaker 2: all today you speak, say hello.

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Speaker 3: Oh hello, I wasn't sure if I was meant to

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Speaker 3: speak at this point.

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Speaker 2: Hi, natural, Natural, And of course returning champion listener favorite

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Speaker 2: Sherlan lower vengall.

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Speaker 1: Listen her favorite, that's a strong introduction. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: I deserve it.

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Speaker 2: It's completely actually. Another listener favorite, Michael Fisher, the YouTuber

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Speaker 2: and CEO of Clicks. Now, that's ceo, co found co founded,

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Speaker 2: my bad buddy, A doesn't matter titles that we don't do,

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Speaker 2: we don't just fine.

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Speaker 4: You're a helocracy like Tony Vegas favorite fe Admiral Admiral rear,

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Speaker 4: admiral well well.

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Speaker 2: Court martialed, but the Clicks So all right, I've had

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Speaker 2: a lot of people in myil in So just to

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Speaker 2: be clear, Michael's my friend. He's been on the show

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Speaker 2: a lot, had him on in his capacity's journalist still

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Speaker 2: here as well for that. But you are you are

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Speaker 2: the co founder of clicks, and you've got a little

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Speaker 2: device with you. I do, indeed, I have actually several devices.

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Speaker 2: Yes we add that thing. Thanks man. I was so

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Speaker 2: worried because I was like, I'm a Canadian, so blackberries

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Speaker 2: are in my soul.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: This is a physical keyboard for the iPhone and for

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Speaker 2: Android phones.

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Speaker 1: Which were two years ago.

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Speaker 6: I have it on a motoroal eraser now, which is fun. Flips,

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Speaker 6: but the I love the flipp I know you and

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Speaker 6: I agree on the fold. I just want, and I'm like,

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Speaker 6: I message on them, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Care it's coming. I know it must be coming.

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Speaker 2: Give me a foldable I phone.

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Speaker 7: Everyone's saying the iphon phone, give me.

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Speaker 2: My foldable slot. No, I'm so you've got this thing

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Speaker 2: that connects to the Mac. Say for the what have

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Speaker 2: you charge of the thing is?

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Speaker 6: We we made custom molded cases with the keyboard attached

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Speaker 6: for several iPhones several andro and everyone was like, this

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Speaker 6: is great, but I don't carry that phone. And we

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Speaker 6: were like, yeah, this is great, but it costs a

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Speaker 6: lot of money to mold a custom case with a

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Speaker 6: keyboard for every phone. So we broke out the keyboard

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Speaker 6: into a little custom puck called power keys that.

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Speaker 7: Everyone's grabbing out their iPhones now removing.

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Speaker 6: Try just slap it right on the back there and

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Speaker 6: it bonds via Bluetooth and gives you that.

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Speaker 2: So if you my region is not there's your target

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Speaker 2: zone there. Wait is this are you giving me your phone?

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Speaker 2: You do not have someone hand me a device for

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Speaker 2: this audio podcast, So go ahead, but you also have

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Speaker 2: the Android device that's where the actual clicks device it

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Speaker 2: does work. So uh, we're just gonna which can move

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Speaker 2: on from that so but you've done like a dedicated

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Speaker 2: Android direct thing. Yes, it's called the Clicks Communicator.

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Speaker 6: It is actually a phone that Yes, it is a

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Speaker 6: four inch screen with a big, full, quirdy keyboard underneath it.

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Speaker 2: People are calling it the new BlackBerry, but that is not,

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Speaker 2: of course. Jim Jim, who was the Yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I was just talking to me yesterday. Yes, were you really?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, literally we had a phone call this episode, all right.

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Speaker 6: So they it's it's optimized for communication. It's optimized for

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Speaker 6: people who carry two phones already and want one of

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Speaker 2: More focused on communication than content. So you got a

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Speaker 2: nice big screen, just describing it for the less, this

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Speaker 6: Little little little stippled the backplate here. And I will

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will also say the keyboard feels better than

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Speaker 2: the original Clicks.

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Speaker 6: We've increased the key size by thirty percent. If you

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Speaker 6: can believe that you're ready for the spectrum.

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Speaker 2: And I will say this, like I don't use the

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Speaker 2: original Clicks because like, weirdly like the case didn't feel right.

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Speaker 2: It's just a personal thing. And I have like weird

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Speaker 2: little thumbs, like they're not long enough for most gloves.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm a monster, I understand, But these this thing.

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Speaker 2: I like this. In Caleb from Kill the Computer, who

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Speaker 2: is specifically asked about this, I like it.

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Speaker 6: I think it's cool. So who's aimed at people who

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Speaker 6: carry two phones? So you ever see people walking around,

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Speaker 6: like make captive two phones, right, but you see people

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Speaker 6: walking around with the picks on an iPhone or two iPhones,

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Speaker 6: and neither one is optimized for the actual task that

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Speaker 6: it's trying to do. So we're not trying to compete

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Speaker 6: old display. We're trying to make a communications tool. So

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Speaker 6: what I like about this though, is it runs Android,

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Speaker 6: but we've you know, added a custom launcher on top

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Speaker 2: You ever use that one? Can you say it? And

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Speaker 6: That's a touch and feel sample. That's how early this

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Speaker 6: But like Niagara has this beautiful aesthetic list and it's

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Speaker 2: It is a distraction scroll, isn't it like that? Because

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Speaker 2: that's the thing I would I'm a little I'm a

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Speaker 2: little hog with my devices. I love my keyboards and

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Speaker 2: my dad's and the like. Yes, And also there are

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Speaker 2: times when I will use like a like I have

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Speaker 2: And I just want to chat ship with a friend, yes,

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Speaker 6: Kind of a luxury thing though it's not for everyone. No,

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Speaker 6: absolutely not, And neither was the first click Like that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But I'm pretty excited for Communicator because I was terrified

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Speaker 6: of it. You know, you work on something for so

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Speaker 6: long and you're not sure if it's good anymore. What's

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Speaker 3: My wife gave me an Olivetti Valentine. What is that

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Speaker 3: manual typewriter nineteen sixty seven in MoMA Bright Cherry Red

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a really stupid question? Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: happens to you typo on a typewriter?

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Speaker 3: You type an X.

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Speaker 8: I had the typewriters that's right in the in the

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Speaker 7: Oh, I never had the thing one.

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Speaker 3: It's got a red ribbon and a black ribbon, so

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Speaker 3: it's got like a two side ribbon.

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Speaker 2: And you go up and love for it, and.

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Speaker 3: Then you have to you have to get the key

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Speaker 3: with a snap. It's not how hard you hit it,

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Speaker 3: So that is a genuinely single purpose device I'm really

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Speaker 2: And it's and it's meant.

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Speaker 3: To be a luggable. You can just slap it around.

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Speaker 2: And Michael, I need to ask the doesn't there a

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Speaker 2: device called the Peak once? Yes, the Peak?

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Speaker 6: Right, it was an email only like BlackBerry esque device. Sorry,

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Speaker 6: I could also use it for Twitter. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 6: mobile and my wind phones were fine.

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Speaker 2: And here it is. It's it. Yeah, it's like a

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Speaker 6: And yeah, no you're not going to replace your pixel

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Speaker 6: bring back those old features. So yes, you could use

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Speaker 6: are like, what if I wanted that's been my primary phones?

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Speaker 2: Like you can, I think it's lovely. I think it's lovely.

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Speaker 2: That not because you've you are you and I have

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Speaker 2: had some of the deepest like I love the technology stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's cool. I love the phone. Oh I love tablets

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Speaker 2: and all this shit. And you actually made something that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and it's actually got It's got two cameras

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Speaker 3: so you can scan a QR code.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, that's the thing. You can take a picture and

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Speaker 6: say this feel the way you want too?

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Speaker 3: Am I allowed to throw this away? Are these left?

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Speaker 2: Is this good? Is this the final final.

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Speaker 6: Way of it? It's close to final, probably within about

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Speaker 2: Only criticism I have is what about the battery? What happens?

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Speaker 2: Like what kind of warranty? What kind of batteries? So

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Speaker 2: the battery is four thousand MILLI empowers. I did push

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Speaker 2: for silicon carbon. This is the last time I get

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Speaker 2: super nerdy about this because I wanted more get that.

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Speaker 6: This is my sha and I was like, no way

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Speaker 6: we can get it. But it turns out we could

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Speaker 6: afford it.

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Speaker 2: It was great. The in terms of the support. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's not. It's the only thing we couldn't do is

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Speaker 2: a removal battery, because that was kind of why I

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Speaker 2: was going at. What does it look like for a

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Speaker 2: service depot to swap it? Yeah, yeah, that's a really

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Speaker 2: good question. I take it to my guy on the corner.

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Speaker 2: Probably not.

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Speaker 6: I mean I'm sure that the actually, you know what,

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Speaker 2: Well? I stayed at Planet Hollywood if that tells you.

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Speaker 3: You just just give him throat like you're a man

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Speaker 2: But how have you felt about the show Michael, what

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Speaker 2: You know they made it specifically for me, mister Fisher edition. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 6: It's like Arcanoid is like developer tools. It's open source.

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Speaker 6: So this is this is new. This is by one

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Speaker 2: It feels good. It's fun to click and I don't

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Speaker 2: what they're doing. I'm surprised they haven't done it quick.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they haven't. Yeah, I asked.

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Speaker 6: I was like, guys, how long have you been involving this?

443
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Speaker 6: Like eight years? From certain the niama shows. It shows

444
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Speaker 6: in the product I'm telling, and technologically, I think it

445
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Speaker 6: is very interesting to have location of where blocks.

446
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Speaker 3: So Bruce Sterling wrote an incredible novel called Distraction that

447
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Speaker 3: everyone should read because it's about fucked up computer mediated

448
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Speaker 3: elections nice and it is one of the most prescient

449
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Speaker 3: books you will read. And in it there are these

450
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Speaker 3: avant garde architects who put a slap bracelet around a

451
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Speaker 3: brick and it starts saying, I am a cornerstone. Take

452
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Speaker 3: me one step to the left, put me down. I'm

453
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Speaker 3: one degree off level. I am now level. Please add

454
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Speaker 3: mortar and a bunch of skilled people can put up

455
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Speaker 3: a building in a day. I rip this off from

456
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Speaker 3: my novel walk Away, and that kind of location awareness

457
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Speaker 3: super interesting and cool. And there are lots of times

458
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Speaker 3: in my life where I would have loved to have

459
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Speaker 3: had this. If you told me that Ikea has figured

460
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Speaker 3: out a way to use low cost electronics to tell

461
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Speaker 3: you when you've got the right two pieces, that would

462
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Speaker 3: be amazing.

463
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Speaker 2: I want to inhabit like.

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Speaker 3: As a as a child playing imaginatively with construction toys.

465
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Speaker 3: I I don't think my play experience would have been

466
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Speaker 3: enhanced by having some of the things that happen in

467
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Speaker 3: my imagination happened with electronics. I will rather get that

468
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Speaker 3: person an Arduino.

469
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Speaker 2: So the waste. I think it's a good There is

470
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Speaker 2: actually a solution which is The good news is that

471
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Speaker 2: the chip fits inside a regular like it is still

472
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Speaker 2: a regular Lego brick, so you're still able to use

473
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Speaker 2: it like a Lego brick.

474
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Speaker 3: But is it?

475
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Speaker 2: But is the like?

476
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Speaker 3: So when you throw this away, is it going to

477
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Speaker 3: be a mortal e waste or just a mortal plastic waste?

478
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Speaker 2: That's the thing I actually truly is it.

479
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Speaker 3: Going to be leaching you know, heavy metals into the

480
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Speaker 3: water table or just turning into microplas? I mean, do

481
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Speaker 3: people throw away Legos? You know that's kind of a

482
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Speaker 3: past that might throw away broken robotic Lego.

483
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Speaker 6: But the thing is, but even then, yeah, but you're

484
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Speaker 6: cele brick right, You're right, though I don't know.

485
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Speaker 1: My take on the Lego thing is. I used to

486
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Speaker 1: be on the Ed's side of it, and I then

487
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Speaker 1: read a lot of our coverage and was like, oh, okay,

488
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Speaker 1: that makes way more sense. So I came closer to

489
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Speaker 1: the Fisher side of it, and I'm just like, look,

490
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Speaker 1: if you don't like it, you can still not buy it, sure,

491
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Speaker 1: and you can still have the same Lego experience you

492
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Speaker 1: were having before.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

494
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Speaker 2: Sure for the people who I will, I will also

495
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Speaker 2: give Legos some real credit in the despite the fact

496
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Speaker 2: that the entire Lego economy has been inflated by adult babies.

497
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Speaker 2: You like children's toys. I'm not talking about, by the way,

498
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Speaker 2: like the toach Mahole. Those are obviously for adults. I'm

499
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Speaker 2: talking about, like I don't know, as a father, the

500
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Speaker 2: Spider Man sets that are now inflated by thirty percent

501
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Speaker 2: because you fucking loses can't leave them alone for actual

502
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Speaker 2: fucking children, Jesus Christ. I will say, Legos app stuff

503
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Speaker 2: is really good. You can just type in the Lego

504
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Speaker 2: thing and you can sit there and kind of their

505
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Speaker 2: smartphone app. Yeah. Yeah, you can type in the number

506
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Speaker 2: of the set and you can rotate around it and

507
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Speaker 2: it's useful. Though they still do this insane thing where

508
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Speaker 2: they don't be able. They make it really difficult to

509
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Speaker 2: tell between like black, dark, gray and gray. Nevertheless, I

510
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Speaker 2: give them real credit because it's like it's an app,

511
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Speaker 2: but it's not an app for like selling me more Lego.

512
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Speaker 2: It's Hey, the instructions are limited because their paper we

513
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Speaker 2: found a way to get beyond that. I'm willing to

514
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Speaker 2: give them a bit of the benefit of the doubt

515
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Speaker 2: on this one. What I will say is you just

516
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Speaker 2: use it like you don't need an app for that. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 2: buy a.

518
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Speaker 6: Set of them, use them, and then judge them, because

519
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Speaker 6: that is I was in the again. I was in

520
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Speaker 6: the exact same boat as you guys. And then then

521
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Speaker 6: I saw the demo and I was like, God, this

522
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Speaker 6: every part of this as well.

523
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Speaker 3: I want to pop the stack one layer up because

524
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Speaker 3: there was a thing I wanted to say about the

525
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Speaker 3: fidget toys. Okay, so the fidget toy sounds amazing if

526
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Speaker 3: that is your thing, if you're excited by this. There's

527
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Speaker 3: a sculptor called Chris Bathgate who's a machinist who makes

528
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Speaker 3: beautiful kinetic fidget toys that fit in your pocket really uh,

529
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Speaker 3: and they are. They come in runs of like one

530
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Speaker 3: hundred to two hundred. He hand machines each one of them.

531
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Speaker 3: His sculptures are gorgeous. His static sculptures are amazing, but

532
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Speaker 3: his kinetic sculptures, the pocket sized ones, are insanely good.

533
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Speaker 2: So Chris, Chris Bathgate, I'm going And he's written, you

534
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Speaker 2: had an a ring to take a note with me

535
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Speaker 2: if only I could press a button.

536
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Speaker 3: So just a book about them.

537
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Speaker 2: I just send a message to Corey to make sure

538
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Speaker 2: that's in the episode nuts. And I'm about to send

539
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Speaker 2: a text to Michael right now. While you're doing that,

540
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Speaker 2: I'm going to fidget with my let me fidget. I'm

541
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Speaker 2: saying he's a wonderful broadcast and I hope to have

542
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Speaker 2: him on again, as well as sending me a link

543
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Speaker 2: to that. This is a this is an emotion the

544
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Speaker 2: only show. But you see anything? Do you see anything else? Fun?

545
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Speaker 2: Because I'm genuinely like I wanted. Everyone's like ed, It's

546
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Speaker 2: actually no one's being like Everyone's like yeah, foxy, yes, Okay,

547
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Speaker 2: well right, settle down, settle down everyone. That's my job.

548
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: I'm the one who gets too angry.

549
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Speaker 6: I don't like doing this because it is I don't

550
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Speaker 6: like to cross the streams between sponsored content and not.

551
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Speaker 6: But I will say that something was genuinely cool, that

552
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Speaker 6: is in a sea of technology that is conceptual or

553
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Speaker 6: maybe never become to a marketer has no value. One

554
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Speaker 6: of the John Deer things I was paid to promote

555
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Speaker 6: was an automated road paver. I'm just like I learned

556
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Speaker 6: about paving for like for like a half hour, and

557
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Speaker 6: I will this makes it possible for people, for fewer

558
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Speaker 6: people to do this job. And for fewer skilled people

559
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Speaker 6: to be required to do this Jobeah, but that's also

560
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Speaker 6: less late. Oh it's so scary though. Look, here's the thing.

561
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Speaker 6: The fact that the that this solves a problem is

562
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Speaker 6: my least favorite part of it. And the problem is

563
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Speaker 6: no construction workers can find enough labor I mean PayPal.

564
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Speaker 6: Well no, I know, this is what I was saying,

565
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Speaker 6: but apparently that's like that was the starting point. So

566
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Speaker 6: I'm watching this robot thing do it's thinking, like, you know,

567
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Speaker 6: hot asphalt and pouring stuff. I'm like, yeah, this is

568
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Speaker 6: what I want. I want to be dirty jobs.

569
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Speaker 2: This is why I got into it. Some stuff good. Yeah,

570
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Speaker 2: I mean I took to a microphone. So I see

571
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Speaker 2: a job like that, I'm like, never take that job

572
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Speaker 2: from those people.

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Speaker 6: Well, I agree, but I mean that's the thing. There's

574
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Speaker 6: not enough of those people. That's the that's the the thing.

575
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Speaker 6: Train them.

576
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Speaker 2: But no, I get your point. And also be clear,

577
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Speaker 2: Michael Fisher is one of the one of the fewer

578
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Speaker 2: people who's more anxious than I am about any kind

579
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Speaker 2: of thing like this. So Michael is like squirming here

580
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Speaker 2: when it comes to like mentioning a sponsor. Do not

581
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Speaker 2: think that he's doing this with joy. He actually even

582
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Speaker 2: notice that. Yeah, you're right.

583
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Speaker 3: I mean my concern with John Deere, and I don't

584
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Speaker 3: want to blow up your try. Concern with John Deere

585
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Speaker 3: is there. Yeah, they're they're a rapacious monopolist and they

586
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Speaker 3: have led the war against repair and they use the

587
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Speaker 3: fact that it's illegal to bypass an access control. This

588
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Speaker 3: is this law section twelve one of the Digital Monume

589
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Speaker 3: Copyright Act that establishes a fellony punishable by five year

590
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Speaker 3: prison sentence and a five hundred thousand dollars fine for

591
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Speaker 3: tampering with an access control to make it illegal for

592
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Speaker 3: farmers to fix their tractors. And you know you're a

593
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Speaker 3: Britain did you ever go to Beamish outside of Norfolk,

594
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Speaker 3: out of Newcastle? Rather the largest it's the largest open

595
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Speaker 3: air museum in Europe. It's we would call it Pioneer

596
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Speaker 3: village here, except it's not pioneers. It's old the tiny

597
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Speaker 3: English people. And they have transported Georgian coaltown with a colliery,

598
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Speaker 3: Victorian high Street, all kinds of weird old vehicles, and

599
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Speaker 3: there's a farmhouse on a Roman foundation and on the

600
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Speaker 3: Roman foundation there is a forge because farmers have fixed

601
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Speaker 3: their own farming implements since fucking Roman times. Enter John

602
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Speaker 3: Deere saying no, no, we have declared the end of history.

603
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Speaker 3: Farmers no longer fix their farm implement that's our job.

604
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Speaker 2: No, no, it's my fault. You know. Here's the thing.

605
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Speaker 6: This entire debate played out in my comments every single

606
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Speaker 6: time I covered John Dee organically, and I got so

607
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Speaker 6: fucking tired of it that I was like, I will

608
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Speaker 6: never cover this brand again because I'm tired of getting

609
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Speaker 6: in the middle of them, tired of having this conversation

610
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Speaker 6: and like be the mediator between them and things was

611
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Speaker 6: well now and I don't cover them marganically.

612
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Speaker 2: Now they're my sponsor. I am gonna I'm going to

613
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Speaker 2: aggressively segue away from this because I don't want a

614
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Speaker 2: good idea. Yeah, but I want to get to the

615
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Speaker 2: final thing, which.

616
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Speaker 6: Is and I no, please, because I want to build

617
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Speaker 6: on one thing you said, that place I find fascinating,

618
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Speaker 6: the Roman foundation, That like the thing that's been unchanged forever.

619
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Speaker 6: As we talk about yet another show where people are like,

620
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Speaker 6: what's the next smartphone, what's the replacement for the smartphone?

621
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Speaker 2: All this stuff. I had a wonderful moment at Mystic

622
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Speaker 2: Seaport in Connecticut. Have you been here?

623
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Speaker 6: It has a lovely, you know, maritime history museum and

624
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Speaker 6: you can wander and you can see all kinds of

625
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Speaker 6: things in and there's a pocket watch case, because of

626
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Speaker 6: course there is. And I saw one that was really beautiful,

627
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Speaker 6: and I asked the curator. I'm like, how what is

628
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Speaker 6: this front? Perhaps nineteen nineteen oh five, and he's like

629
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Speaker 6: seventeen eighty nine, and I said, wait what? And then

630
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Speaker 6: I kind of looked at the history and like, this

631
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Speaker 6: form factor did not change meaningfully for two hundred years.

632
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Speaker 6: We figured something out, it was great, and then we

633
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Speaker 6: kept it around until somebody figured out how to strap

634
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Speaker 6: it under a wrist.

635
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Speaker 2: Right.

636
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 6: That is how I feel about the smartphone these days,

637
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 6: and like, look, there will be augmented things in the

638
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 6: personal area network, there will be more accessories for them,

639
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 6: but we are still going to carry these bucks.

640
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Speaker 2: This is the principal struggle of CES right now. Though.

641
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: It's all people trying to be like, what if you

642
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: had a smart glasses and it could do this? And

643
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: then you're like, well, as a human being, this is

644
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: not how I experienced life, And they're like, shit, you're right,

645
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: nobody actually uses. But what if you've changed your entire

646
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Speaker 2: existence so you had a weird, grainy green thing that

647
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Speaker 2: could sometimes be correct, which requires an Internet connection. And

648
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: the smart glasses stuff is really the auto translation or

649
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: write down what you're saying, you translate your business trip,

650
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Speaker 2: and you just slop me as stick me gun to

651
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Speaker 2: my head. It's just I'm almost really happy to hear

652
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: about Oh, they got thinner and lighter laptops with longer batteries. Brilliant, brilliant.

653
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Speaker 2: But it almost feels like we're reaching a point where

654
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Speaker 2: everyone's just saying, fuck, we're out of interfaces. We don't

655
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Speaker 2: have a new one. To your point about that that

656
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Speaker 2: pocket watch case, right, do.

657
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Speaker 3: You know what I would love would be this huge

658
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 3: design trend from now on, we're putting black text on

659
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 3: white backgrounds, or sometimes white text on black backgrounds. And

660
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 3: we fired all the twenty two year old designers who

661
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Speaker 3: put ten percent gray on white backgrounds, and we have

662
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Speaker 3: we've sent them north for re education where they are

663
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: forced to endure, you know, long struggle sessions about the

664
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Speaker 3: things they've done to people with poor low contrast vision. Yeah.

665
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Speaker 2: I just think liquid glass is one of the where

666
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: my brain was liquids liquid ass is truly and I

667
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: am like an Apple pay pig at this point. I

668
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: have tolerated many an insult from this company, including the

669
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: vision pro, and I gotta be honest. There is one

670
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: thing that bothers me the most about this and it's

671
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: for some reason. On one of the windows there's just

672
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Speaker 2: like a blob in like one of the things. There's

673
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Speaker 2: just like a reflective thing looks like it's hard to see,

674
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: but it looks like an error in the LED panel

675
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: in my phone. Because of how are you talking about

676
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: like the weird it's weird reflective thing and if you

677
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: worked on liquid glass, were you forced to were you

678
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: forced to do this?

679
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: They do talk about it as part of the UI.

680
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: That's sort of the way you move your phone and

681
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: then how it reflects light. It's supposed to be that.

682
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: I don't want that on my phone, Liquid glass not all.

683
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: I would love to. I would love to go back

684
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Speaker 2: to the iOS eight or something like just give me

685
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: the phone normal.

686
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: I want that. I want the phone UI that actually

687
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: like puts fake scratches on your screen or like fake.

688
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: No, I will say, and we could wrap this in

689
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: a boat. It's why I kind of like the clicks

690
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: communicator because it's just a thing that nice, flawless no,

691
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: And I say, this is someone who like. If you

692
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: don't like it, I don't give a ship if you

693
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: buy it or not. Sorry, it's just that's that's not

694
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: my job. But I like it because it's like, what

695
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: do I want from a device that takes people fingy

696
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: to use message at to a place, look at website, fingy.

697
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 6: You do the thing on a handful of very important features,

698
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 6: but just a handful of them. I didn't think that

699
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 6: i'd ever got on board the and this is a

700
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 6: web browser on it. Oh yeah, I mean it's Android sixteen.

701
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 6: You can run whatever you want on it. But it's

702
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 6: a matter of intention. But what we're saying, I never

703
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 6: thought i'd get on board the digital detox train or

704
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 6: anything like that. And that's not what communicators for, to

705
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 6: be clear, but just personally until I used the light

706
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 6: phone for two weeks this past summer.

707
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: And you were a real one because when you did

708
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: the light phone thing, you actually fucking did it. You

709
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 2: turn off everything amazing.

710
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 6: And I wish I could have survived in that world,

711
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 6: because it turned out in order to live that way

712
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 6: doing what we what a lot of us do. I

713
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 6: had to carry an iPad for the sessions that invariably

714
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 6: required me to be online for a secondary or laptop,

715
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 6: and then I was like, damn it, I can't live

716
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 6: this life. But what stuck with me were two or

717
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 6: three lessons that lived past July, and I was like,

718
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 6: every time I pull out my phone, now I'm like,

719
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 6: am I doing this for a purpose or am I

720
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 6: doing this because I'm voice? Every time I pull out

721
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 6: my phone to check notification, I'm able to better resist,

722
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 6: like bypass of like the door dash, Like isn't it

723
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 6: time to order a pizza at three pm?

724
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: All the shitty notifications that you get all the time?

725
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 3: Can you leave notifications on?

726
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: No?

727
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 6: I turn them off and then I miss my door

728
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 6: dash deliveries. This horrible seeside, Why aggressively?

729
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: Please do this? But Michael, it's so good having you

730
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: as we wrap up this off for an hour. Thanks,

731
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: I just want to say the listeners want you back,

732
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: and I will have you back. But also, you have

733
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: maybe looked at phones differently, and I put aside the

734
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: clicks communicator. I think you have the right way of

735
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: looking at it, where it's like, why am I using

736
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: this device? Thank you? And why am I doing this?

737
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: What is this for? Now? I am built different in

738
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: the sense that I am really like I was mentioning. Yes,

739
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: they like the infinite feeds don't work on me. They

740
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: give me anxiety. Like I get to the I'm like,

741
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: where's the end? Where's the end? I want to finish

742
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: reading this? Sure, I don't know, but it's the opposite

743
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: most people like, oh, keep looking. I'm like, no, you

744
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: want to be done, and I'm just like, fine, you

745
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: want to do And the moment I feel anything being

746
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: done to me, I like reject it angrily. Sure, I

747
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: just no, No, it's pure autism. It's just like my

748
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: brain just like doesn't want to do anything other than

749
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 2: what it insists on doing, which is a Wikipedia or

750
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: like a very long conversation about one specific thing, which

751
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: is why we are here on Better Offline. So, Michael,

752
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. You. We will

753
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: bring you back sooner than this. I would love that,

754
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: And I'm looking forward to the clicks I might actually

755
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: pick on, not put a link to stuff that you

756
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: can have a look at it, judge your own judgment.

757
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: That's not a phrase, we now move to an ad

758
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: break for something that I either say you should buy

759
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: or listen to. Yeah, and I Heart Radio said no, actually,

760
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: I can't say that. We're just going to pretend I

761
00:32:49,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: never said that. And we're back in the room. We've

762
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: got Sherlin Low from me Gadget Yes, Hi, and we've

763
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: got edam Gaiso Junior at the Tech Bubble newsletter. Oh hello,

764
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: We've got author, activist and journalist Corey Doctor right, and

765
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: this time I know I'm supposed to reply Hello, nailed

766
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: it flause No. And I have had a few people say,

767
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: like email would be like why do you do this?

768
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, because I get to hang out with my

769
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: friend's new cool shit for like an entire week. Why

770
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: are we alive? But we're here at CES, And I

771
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: mean there's also the question of why are we at CES?

772
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: That is a reasonable one, because it's a peculiar show. Corey,

773
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: we had the best time in Amazon, though. We need

774
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: to talk about this Amazon experience because to be clear,

775
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: we're walking into the show floor for the first time,

776
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: actually sees customer service, got his badge immediately and then

777
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: we walk in. I'm like, oh, there's Amazon. Why not

778
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: and last year, by the way Amazon, I had the

779
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Speaker 2: picture of the smiling man on my badge and the

780
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: woman outside grabbed it went wow, which is I don't

781
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: think it was a good well, but anyway, walk in

782
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: there with Corey. We immediately walk up to this five

783
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: thousand dollars like rock pulled surveillance tower pole thing with

784
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: like it's like a big big thingy with like a

785
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: poll and like just a ring of cameras and Corey

786
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: just walks over and starts asking questions.

787
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Speaker 3: Score well no, I mean I didn't even ask any questions.

788
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: The guy walked up and said, Hi, I'm the product

789
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: manager for this, do you have any questions. I wasn't gonna,

790
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: you know, bollock them out of the blue. I didn't

791
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: go in there looking for, you know, a victim, you

792
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: will not that type. But I was like, since you ask,

793
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, so I know that there

794
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: was that the original ring.

795
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: Camera, the doorbell camera.

796
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Speaker 3: You guys took the posture that that footage was only

797
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 3: available to the police in the event that the owner

798
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: authorized the transfer to the police, and but there had

799
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: been this persistent rumor that there was warrantless access to

800
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: this footage, even against the wishes of the of the

801
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: ring owner, which you initially denied, and later I had

802
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: to walk back. I know this because I got into

803
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: a big fight with Amazon PR when I published the

804
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: story and then they said it's not true, and then

805
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: later on it was proved to be true. What's the

806
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: deal with this? Can the police access it? Because this

807
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: is the thing that's meant to go into like a

808
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: parking lot at a job site or whatever. And it

809
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 3: had some as you pointed out, some racial overtime.

810
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were the video behind it was, of course

811
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: two guys breaking in him. Would you be surprised to

812
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: hear they were Hispanic? Yeah?

813
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: And then the white guys in there, and AI caption

814
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: was like two men removing things from trunk of red car.

815
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: So so I said, you know, so can the cops

816
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: access this footage, you know, without the owner? And he

817
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: was like, well, I'm not sure. And I'm like, okay, fine, fine,

818
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: who can access this footage? Is this footage intend encrypted?

819
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: Does Is it sitting as an encrypted blob that no

820
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: one at Amazon can access on your servers? So only

821
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: I can access it? And as the owner of the device,

822
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: and and so on and he says, oh, yes, that

823
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: is the case, just like with a ring doorbell. And

824
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, wait, that's not true ring doorbell. So

825
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: hang on a second, Like it's just it is just

826
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: like an incontrovertible fact. You go into any court docket

827
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: for petty theft or whatever, there's a ton of footage

828
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: that cops have subpoenaed from ring doorbells, and so if

829
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: cops can subpoena then Amazon has to be able to

830
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: decrypt it.

831
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

832
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: So and he's like, well, I'm not allowed to decrypt.

833
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: I'm the project manager and a product manager. I can't

834
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: decrypt it. I'm like, well that's good. You have some

835
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: access controls, but you're still asked growing the keys. And

836
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: then I'm like, well, is it all controlled by an

837
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: app or is there a desktop interface? And if so,

838
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: can I download my footage? And he's like no, it's desktop,

839
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: just like with the with the doorbell camera. And I'm like,

840
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: so I can just like grab all the MPEG files

841
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: and keep them on my hard drive and he's like, oh,

842
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: I don't think you can. And I'm like, so what

843
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: if I stop paying the subscription fee? Do I lose

844
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: all the footage? And He's like, no, we'll let you

845
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: download it. I'm like, so, wait, can.

846
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: I download it?

847
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: Or can I not do it? And then he eventually says, well,

848
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: you're asking all these technical questions. I just don't know

849
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: the answer. And I'm like, well, I was just standing

850
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: here minding my own business when you came up and

851
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: introduced yourself to me as the product manager for this product. Like,

852
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: is the product manager capable of answering what seems to

853
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: me to be some pretty basic.

854
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 2: Does a website do something? Yeah?

855
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: Like, like can I does? Is the footage available to

856
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: third parties?

857
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: Is?

858
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: I mean, because you know, just from a straight up

859
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: security perspective, Amazon's not immune to insider threats if you've

860
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: got you know, three sixty longitudinal video footage.

861
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: And that's what this thing is. It can it has

862
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: a tube that goes into the sky with a bunch

863
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: of cameras. Yeah, and it was advertised as they had

864
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: this video behind with a picture of neighborhoods with all

865
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: these blue blobs where these things would pay. So good.

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Speaker 9: I'm so happy you guys got to see one of

867
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 9: the new soon towers.

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00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

869
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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's here's our palent here exactly.

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Speaker 9: Maybe they'll give you a little ring that could be

871
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 9: tied to you.

872
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: It's got this like telescoping mask. But you could imagine, right,

873
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: if you've got this is quite a honeypot. Right, If

874
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: you've got the internals of a whole bunch of job

875
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: sites with a bunch of easily stolen things, and there's

876
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: an insider threat. At Amazon, they've got a lot of

877
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: employees and and famously, Amazon went through a series of

878
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: CISOs chief security officers because they had this product first

879
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: orientation where anyone who had a product team could download

880
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 3: the entire Amazon database christ and they had no access

881
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 3: controls and no logging. They did not know how many

882
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: copies of the internal Amazon database were, and their CISOs

883
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: would come in and say, okay, step one, we have

884
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: to stop doing this.

885
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 9: Did they ever figured out how many people?

886
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: No?

887
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: No, no, there's no census of how many copies, like

888
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: multiple copies, because they've got aws right, right, So copying

889
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: the entire database of every skew and every purchase on

890
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: Amazon is like tractable within Amazon's own infrastructure. And so

891
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 3: you know, their ceso's first advice was always like, don't

892
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: do this. And then but the people who are in

893
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: charge of like product nimbleness would say, well, we are

894
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: able to spin up a product team and then figure

895
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: out whether the product is any good by grabbing this

896
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: giant data set mining it for insights. So we're going

897
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 3: to override the security person. And eventually they hired they

898
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: promoted someone internal who was too junior and didn't know

899
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: well enough, and then they had a gigantic breach. Right,

900
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: so I think this is all Andy Greenberg at Wired

901
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: did this report hillier and so you know, like they're

902
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: famously like vulnerable to insider threat.

903
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: I will also say, if you were a listener who

904
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: works at Amazon Web Services and you're able to click

905
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: on that thing that says anthropic, why don't you sell me?

906
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: Send me more of them numbers? I want to see

907
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: I want to see them numbers. My favorite part of

908
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: this conversation, though, was right towards the end when he went, yeah,

909
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: you could buy one for your backyard. You think he

910
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: would and just you were like so much nicer than I.

911
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 3: Well, I had to be fair to him. I said, like,

912
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: is this all being sold to business customers or are

913
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: there people with McMansions who want it? And he said,

914
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: do you want it for your mansion? And I was like,

915
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: do you have a mansion? And I was like, I

916
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: don't have a mansion.

917
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: So he was kind of I think you miss that

918
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: after ten minutes of speedbacking, though I would have just

919
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: I would have been like, I this guy did not

920
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: know what to say. I'm dying. I need to leave,

921
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: but we won't. We had a good, good toll around today.

922
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: You got to see some CEO.

923
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: We went to the Crap Gadget Room with all the

924
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: international pavilions and there was some good stuff. I'm trying

925
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: to pull up my favorite. So from one of the

926
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: universities around Tokyo, there was the you know, they have

927
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: these tech transfer offices where they're trying to like productize

928
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: things being made in the labs. And there was a

929
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 3: group called Integrated Electron Source who had a graphene electron

930
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: emitter which was basically a consumer electronics style imaging system

931
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: that could image down to four nanometers designed for visual

932
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: inspection of chips. And I've just come from Hamburg where

933
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: I saw Bunny Wang, who's the greatest hardware hacker in

934
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: the world, present on his work on building system on

935
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: the chips that are open to visual inspection, because Bunny

936
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: is absolutely convinced that people are hiding bad shit in silicon,

937
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: especially when we're talking about a system on a chip.

938
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: Which when you say badship, what do you mean specific.

939
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: So, like you know, all all hardware is is software

940
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: in etched in silicon, right, So any program, any malware

941
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 3: you can imagine, you could hide.

942
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: And so when you when you use the chip in

943
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: a piece of hardway, it's doing.

944
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: Something bad when it's back.

945
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 9: Also when he says he's convinced that people are hiding

946
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 9: bad shit in hardware, is his belief that there's nothing

947
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 9: stopping along the point of production.

948
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 2: The supply. Yeah, you can supply chain.

949
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: So the thing to understand is that an SC wafer

950
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: is just a it's a risk like reduced instructions a

951
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: computing chip wafer, and the typical SC is using like

952
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: twenty five thirty percent of it. So most of that

953
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: chip is dark matter. And when you're taping out the

954
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: die and getting ready to nanolithograph the chip, you could

955
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: just tape out a whole bunch of other stuff. And

956
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: Bunny's talk at CCC was about how he convinced a

957
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: chip maker to let him tape out some open source

958
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: chips in the in the dark matter, because it was like,

959
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: you know, you're going to run ten million of these,

960
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: do another two hundred thousand. I'll pay for that part

961
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 3: of it. Everyone gets them really cheap because the product

962
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: gets cheaper the more of these you run. He was

963
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: able to fit five more processors on a processor, right,

964
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: So it's super cool. It's called the Bow chip. All

965
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 3: open source and all visually inspectable. So you can take

966
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: the chip, take the file that describes the chip, take

967
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 3: the chip and put it in a optical inspection unit,

968
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: and then it will produce a file and you can

969
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: lay the two on top of each other and see

970
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: if there's any extra gates that shouldn't be there is

971
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: this chip? The chip it says, it is just like

972
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: this incredibly important thing. Can you think about how much

973
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: of our world is running on this uninspectable silicon, and like,

974
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: how many people in the supply chain could do something

975
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: to sabotage that silicon? Anyways?

976
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 9: I could, I could, I could read more and look

977
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 9: more at his stuff. This is yeah, my my, I'm pluralistic.

978
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 9: Yesterday I wrote a blog.

979
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: I'll check that out.

980
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: Because it calls it piggyback it.

981
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: This makes me.

982
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 9: Curious about you know, in video name their newest generation

983
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 9: of chips with the CPU and the GPU collaboration the

984
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 9: ver Rubin, And at first I thought it was just

985
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 9: like a very vague gesture on a few superficial levels

986
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 9: to ver Rubin, who uh discovered that we probably have

987
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 9: some either we have dark matter or we have some

988
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 9: fundamental failure in our explanatory model for the universe. But

989
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 9: also I'm curious, like, you know, is it just like

990
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 9: a tongue in cheek also joke or reference to the

991
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 9: fact that we.

992
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: Have Yeah, I don't, I don't know know they know

993
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: exactly what's in the chip and it's getting more expensive.

994
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: That's well, oh god, are they doing like a deal

995
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: with I hate to do this, but Shelin just aggressive segue.

996
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: What have you seen it on the show?

997
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: Just just just to put a button on it. One

998
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: last thing I want to say, no, please, four nanometers.

999
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: That was that. That was the thing that just fucking

1000
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: blew myself. And that's four nanometer imaging in commodity hardware.

1001
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: Holy shit, this is amazing and I'm pretty sure that's

1002
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: like full nanimeters what they built the latest in video

1003
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 2: black belt GPUs on I'd have to check. They couldn't

1004
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: get they couldn't get down to three animeter and that

1005
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: was a whole thing with the process. But shelin, what

1006
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: have you seen on the food? Because you're you're only

1007
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: with us for this group, so I want to him,

1008
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: what have you seen this year that you liked?

1009
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, hearing all of you talk is just reminds

1010
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: me like how diverse this show is. It's a huge show,

1011
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: covers such a broad scope. I mean, and I got

1012
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: lost in what you were talking about because it's fascinating,

1013
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: but it also makes me question the c and ces consumers.

1014
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: That's what is for the consumer? If it's all robots

1015
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: and AI, I.

1016
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: Mean, it's downstream, it's like eventually, but it's like, this

1017
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: is so much of it as that consumer.

1018
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: Where are the consumers?

1019
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 7: Where are they are? Where's the thought for the consumer?

1020
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: Have you seen that in the show? Do you feel

1021
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: like the overall show has been less consumer?

1022
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: I think to the point we were making at the

1023
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 1: start of this episode, it's the physical manifestation of AI

1024
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: slop and and a lot of the ones that were

1025
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: here this year, the ones that braved the immigration risk

1026
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: to come here and share their wares there. That just

1027
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: means that their motivation was what to find partners, to

1028
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: find someone to buy them. Yeah, it's and that's the

1029
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: sense I'm getting of a lot of AI hardware out there,

1030
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: because if you're still trying to make one at this

1031
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: point without a clear different sater, then you are out

1032
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: here trying to get some kind of VC major company

1033
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: to buy you. And after Amazon bought B, it's just like,

1034
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: who's going to buy the next best one?

1035
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: B was the one wearable that Victoria Victoria's song in

1036
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: the world, Victoria's song Champion.

1037
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and I was I was

1038
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: talking to the founder of B at the CES as well.

1039
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not gonna dwell too much on

1040
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: that just because I could be lucked out in getting

1041
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: a home quickly.

1042
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: Look can get that paper, especially from Amazon.

1043
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: So go get that. But then the rest of them

1044
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: that are here, what is what is the end game?

1045
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: What is the goal? And to your point about e waste,

1046
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: that's going to be e waste the ones that they make,

1047
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: the ones that they sell, and limited quantities, but still

1048
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: massive quantities.

1049
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: Only smart watches that run on like a WS servers

1050
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: that will get taken down the moment the company stops

1051
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: paying for them, which will be quite quickly.

1052
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's it was just like a

1053
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: lot of wading through this like existential dread of all

1054
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: of this is going to end up in len fills,

1055
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: all of these robots, all of these AI wearables, all

1056
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: of these AI native devices. So we we tried very

1057
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: hard to see things that we were interested in. And

1058
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've talked about this yet, but

1059
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: we made a video of this device that has taken

1060
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: off on at least by our standards, It's got like

1061
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: millions of views at this point. It's called the wheel Move.

1062
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: It is a wheelchair base.

1063
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 7: It's in a sissific.

1064
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: It's an assistive device that you attached to the front

1065
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: of your wheelchair and it provides sort of a motorized

1066
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: rugged wheel that props up the front of your wheelchair

1067
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: and helps you over like rugged terrain, uneven surfaces, and

1068
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: then extra boost. Yet and that is just so smart

1069
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: because it's simple, right, It's not a whole over engineered wheelchair.

1070
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: It's just an attachment to the front. And I was

1071
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: talking to someone about it this morning who reminded me

1072
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: that not all wheelchair users are always in wheelchairs. So

1073
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: sometimes they're temporarily and I forgot. Sometimes they're just recovering.

1074
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're in rehab and they just need the assistance

1075
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: for a bit. But getting out there, going for the

1076
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: wheel move, wheel move, You're going out on like a

1077
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: hike maybe or a walk, and sometimes you encounter, you know,

1078
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: not the smoothest pavement, or sometimes you're.

1079
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: Just showing everyone what it looks like. It's like a

1080
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: wheel on the front of it. Fun and you know

1081
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: what it's like. We've seen a lot of exa skeletons.

1082
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: While we were on the floor, we saw like a

1083
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: like a kind of a skateboard.

1084
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is I brought the brochure back. So

1085
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: we saw this thing called the stern board, which is

1086
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: the same thing, but it doesn't clip onto a wheelchair.

1087
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: It clips onto a motorized skateboard and turns it into

1088
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: an all terrain motorized skateboard. It was this French dude

1089
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: stern board str board.

1090
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: Cool as shit. Like, I love the mobility stuff because

1091
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: if you think about why technology exists is to make

1092
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: humans better and able to do more and what limitations

1093
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 2: we have can be surmounted with technology. The AI slop

1094
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be that.

1095
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand some of them, what they're

1096
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: saying and what they're trying to sell, but I sometimes

1097
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: you can see right through some of them and I

1098
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: get there. There's a lot of cute robots, and cute

1099
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: is fine, but what is the frickin' point?

1100
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: Well, have you seen anything you liked? And I don't

1101
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: mean this.

1102
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: Scast wheel move I I.

1103
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: If the point is you haven't, that's totally no.

1104
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: No, I I did see something interesting, and last year

1105
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: I came on this better offline of the CS edition

1106
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: as well. I'm talking about an LED mask. Yes, year

1107
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: I got another LED.

1108
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: That's fine, like a beauty mask, man, Yeah.

1109
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: One of those like that puts red light on your face.

1110
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: Looreal came through.

1111
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 6: With like.

1112
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: The LED masks that are flexible, so like there's skin

1113
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: light in terms of texture instead of the rigid hardshells

1114
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: that you've seen their body on the Luxx or Doctor

1115
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: Devis girls make so it wraps on your face much

1116
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: better and it is transparent soft. Yeah, it's supposed to

1117
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: be more comfortable. Looreal wasn't letting people put the full

1118
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: face version on their own faces for various like sanitary

1119
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: and FDA related reasons. I saw the person put them on.

1120
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: I saw it on the Mennican's head. I may have

1121
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: seen other things, and I can tell you that the

1122
00:48:53,600 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: proposition I have, I can't say things, but I can

1123
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: tell you that it seems like it would fit better

1124
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: on most heads, right, Like I don't have the same

1125
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: nose another person might have, and I don't have the

1126
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: same eyes, or I socket shapes that another person might have.

1127
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: And I think that a more flexible shell for these

1128
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: LED masks would be a bit more inclusive. I think

1129
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: also much more comfortable because the button and where it

1130
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: turns on the power running the LED lights is on

1131
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: the mask, so it sits on your forehead, so you

1132
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: press the power button there, as opposed to like a

1133
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: cable dangling down the side of your face into a

1134
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: power like remote control thing. And then the fact that

1135
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: it's transparent is just wild. They've also made like underie

1136
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: mask versions of it, And I am bringing like the

1137
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: health and wellness sort of like vibes here into this episode,

1138
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: but that's good. I just I just like that idea

1139
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: and that Larel also says it's very close to producing

1140
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: these for like, you know, actual sale. They're very close.

1141
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: So I think that it's also another thing that's interesting

1142
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: because this is not vaporware. It's actually going to be made,

1143
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: and that's what we also look out for, not just

1144
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: trash that's going to sit in a landfill some day.

1145
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: You've been to a lot of CSS and it feels

1146
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: like this is one of the more vapor wary ones.

1147
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm really like, I don't want it to be. I

1148
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: really don't.

1149
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: I know. I well, there's also like a lot of

1150
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: things that will come out. I mean, so this year

1151
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: and Gadget took our risk. We went, let's look at

1152
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: all our best of CS winners from last year and

1153
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: check out where they are now. Surprisingly, pretty much like

1154
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: all of them are like either on track or have

1155
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: already put their devices on sale, or are like, oh,

1156
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: we will be at CS twenty twenty six to show

1157
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: you the updates. One of them we did manage to locate,

1158
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: so we're kind of like, what's going on there. So

1159
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: it is like a kind of risky endeavor to do

1160
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: that story because you want to know that as a publication,

1161
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: we're only endorsing the right the more legitimate types of businesses.

1162
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: At the same time, it's like, we want to do

1163
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: the investigative work. We want to be very on if

1164
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: this company end up looking.

1165
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: Shady, right we look they were shady, or that they

1166
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: were out competed by worst.

1167
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: They could exactly, you know, they could still be the

1168
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: best one to a.

1169
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 9: Help they Also it's something that just ends up not working.

1170
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1171
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 9: One thing that the last two years I've been really

1172
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 9: interested in is technology that allows people who are deaf

1173
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 9: or who are no sign language to communicate. My brother,

1174
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 9: my older brother's death. One of my greatest anxieties and

1175
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 9: fears is that he refuses to wear yeah, hearing aids

1176
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 9: and any sort of assistive tech. And you know, there

1177
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 9: have been many times, you know, and thankfully like we've

1178
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 9: had this protocol stablished before, but there have been many

1179
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 9: times where he's been stopped by cops and he just

1180
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 9: like you know, he's immediately when stopped by cops reaching

1181
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 9: into the car to get a note pad and pen

1182
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 9: to write for them. So I've made him, you know,

1183
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 9: call me beforehand so that we can talk about it,

1184
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 9: so that you know, there's no misunderstanding any or of

1185
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 9: escalation of things. But you know, technology that allows for

1186
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 9: immediate communication would be nice. But then you know, a

1187
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 9: lot of times when I go to these boots and

1188
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 9: I sit down and I ask, Okay, what are the

1189
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 9: scenarios in which they're interested in offering this sort of

1190
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 9: assistive tech, They're almost exclusively in one very narrow scenario,

1191
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 9: which is in a workplace and in a business, and

1192
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 9: try I understand, but it's like that is actually also

1193
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 9: not the space where I assume and from what I've

1194
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 9: seen from people that I know who are deaf, and

1195
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 9: from people are and from you know, my own brother,

1196
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 9: you know, are interested in. But nonetheless you still have

1197
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 9: firms who maybe are you know, they are created by

1198
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 9: people who are deaf or around people who are deaf,

1199
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 9: who know that that's not the use case, but are

1200
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 9: not going to get funding interest or.

1201
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: I will also say with like checking back up your

1202
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: old humans, yea, like you can go here and this

1203
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: is the consumer electronics fraud show, Like I think it's

1204
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: all about there are people who come here with the

1205
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: intention of deceiving, and I don't think there's anything wrong

1206
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: with being like, yeah, we.

1207
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,479
Speaker 1: Thought this was right, and that's where I was like, and.

1208
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: I think about I'm going to say push back if

1209
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: you want to having read d gadget since like the

1210
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: early like the mid two thousands, what haven't it's what

1211
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 2: an gadget is now is really good. There's the reason

1212
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: they have a lot of engadget people on is because

1213
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: it's just people who like tech and they go and

1214
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: look at stuff and they like it or they dislike it,

1215
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: and you move on. And I say that as an

1216
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 2: honest reader, and it's like, yeah, if you go back

1217
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: and you say, yeah, we got fucking swindled by these people,

1218
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: I feel like anyone who gets mad at that is

1219
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: a moron. I just think if you're a dope, if

1220
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: you're like, wow, a publication was like, yeah, we got

1221
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: something wrong. Oh I don't like that, deceive me more, daddy.

1222
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: And it's just like I feel like it's every single

1223
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: publication should do that. It should not be something anyone

1224
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: is afraid of. And indeed, if you don't do that,

1225
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: it makes me deeply worried about the future, because you

1226
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: know what, if you come here and you end up

1227
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: writing about something that is just a lie or never

1228
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: makes it, that ces right, and this particular Cees. There's

1229
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: a lot of that, and in twenty twenty seven, we

1230
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: need to do this because right, the AI bubble is

1231
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: likely to burst in the next year and we're going

1232
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: to need to dig through the ditches, so to speak,

1233
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: and see what fucking happened. Yeah, because there's so much

1234
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: AI rapper shit. I was hoping you'd love more stuff.

1235
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 7: But I did. I mean I I loved some well.

1236
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: I think part of it was the Cees more than others.

1237
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: I was kind of chained to my laptop running things

1238
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: rather than like going out there and seeing things. So

1239
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: I okay, I saw something that I loved to hate on.

1240
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: If that helps.

1241
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, have you heard about the Lollipop Star?

1242
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: Oh?

1243
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we gave it a worst in show I

1244
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: like to show. I love to hate on Consumer Union

1245
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 3: and the Repair Coalition.

1246
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: Tell me why you gave it worse than show what

1247
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: it is? It's exactly eWays and then so we lollipop Tell.

1248
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 9: Me more about this because I did not see this.

1249
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: I have no idea what this is. Uncompletely go ahead quest.

1250
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's a sound chip and a

1251
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, sc in a lollipop handle and you put

1252
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 3: a lollipop on top and through bone conduction you hear

1253
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: a song while you eat a lollipop.

1254
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: It's just a lithium battery that goes in a landfill.

1255
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: You're a psycho.

1256
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, because you can't reuse it.

1257
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: You can't like and the battery is not like rechargeable,

1258
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: which I guess makes sense, but it's it's kind of ridiculous.

1259
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 9: I saw this offered out a white Elephant that I

1260
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 9: was at two weeks before I came here. Wow, just

1261
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 9: like I and I was wondering. Everyone was like, this

1262
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 9: seems like a horribike.

1263
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: Was it? What favorite flavor? Did you get acorn?

1264
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: Or what idea it was?

1265
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 9: I did not get it. I tried. I was really hard.

1266
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 9: I was honing in on the lottery tickets. There's a

1267
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 9: stack of fifty lotto scratch offs and I really ride

1268
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 9: them and every guest so I got.

1269
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 2: I got a books. I got a bunch of books.

1270
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 3: Singing lollipop is so. My last time at CS was

1271
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, more than twenty years ago, two thousand

1272
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: and three, and before that, I came a few times

1273
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: in the nineties were wired and I have seen singing.

1274
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: Lollipops at sea yes, exactly, they're not news.

1275
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: I also speaking of which though on the floor today

1276
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: me and Ad saw a smell of Vision and.

1277
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: Way way, that's what.

1278
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: We're saying this year on my team is that it's

1279
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: kind of the comeback. So yes, the comeback of all

1280
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: these older technologies that we've seen with like pebbles coming

1281
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: back clicks with a communicator lego. It was not really

1282
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: a comeback, but sure, Mike.

1283
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: I saw something that said, skateboard Penguin, I'm your little

1284
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: sidekick company.

1285
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 7: I saw that.

1286
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 2: Skateboard Penguin.

1287
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: A lot of ridiculous and pop let's pop the stack

1288
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: just briefly, but also to get cryptached.

1289
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 2: No, also to get back to the thing you're talking

1290
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 2: about there. The reason I was looking was because they

1291
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: had the tagline welcome to the era of pseudo Reality.

1292
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was the smell of vision. Yeah, yes,

1293
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: they had smell vision and then they had like an

1294
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 3: essential oil mister with that made smoke seem But on cryptech,

1295
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: if anyone wants to follow a very good cryptech influencer,

1296
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: Liz Henry used to be a build manager from Mozilla,

1297
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: now is just doing cryptech. I think full time bookmaniac

1298
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: dot org at, I'll send you the link.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: And she is in command of a small fund that

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Speaker 3: she disperses in thousand dollars in below grants to people

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Speaker 3: doing cool cryptech adaptation. So that is cryptech though for

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Speaker 3: those accessibility technology, so we.

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Speaker 7: Check crypto tech.

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00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like security, no, no cryptech.

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 3: So yeah.

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00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: Use we saw an amazing four line braille reader on

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Speaker 2: the floor.

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Speaker 3: That was that was It was like a braille keyboard. Yeah,

1310
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: and it was standards defined. It plugged into your usbc

1311
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: as and showed up as a standard display.

1312
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: It just just and you know what I noticed about

1313
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: I wish I remember the company name because they had

1314
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: she deserve it. The guy was just like every like

1315
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: people people really try and do like a micro jobs

1316
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: being like meg a world, and this guy was just like, yeah,

1317
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: it connects regularly like a keyboard. You can see it here.

1318
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: That's not a software. That's that He was.

1319
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: Very all standards to find and he was very.

1320
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: Clear to be like, this is not our software. This

1321
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: just plugs into anything.

1322
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

1323
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 2: The people who need.

1324
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: Brain don't need friction, right, Like that guy.

1325
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: Deserves the huge boots. That's every single blind person probably

1326
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: could I'm not blind sweater. I truly don't. Sorry visually impaired,

1327
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: So I don't know, wow what the experience is, but

1328
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. Seems like it fucking worked, and the

1329
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: guy was not trying to like hawk anything.

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00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: It was well built, it was standard fine, it was

1331
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: chunky and rugged, and and it was it will outlive

1332
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: changes to the OS because it's built around open standards.

1333
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 2: It was just the USB connected thing. Yeah.

1334
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: I think when you said kryptach, I was reminded of

1335
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: something that we didn't see in person, but we hurt

1336
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: or read about. There's a water heater for your home

1337
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: that will crypto mind while you shout.

1338
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard about these, I think I wanted to

1339
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 3: put that together. There's a room heater as well that

1340
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: does this is like a gimmick, right, it can also.

1341
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 9: Does There's a bathhouse in Williamsburg that does something that

1342
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 9: is the most.

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00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, is that the same one district? No,

1344
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: it's not the same one where they legion is.

1345
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: Listen.

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00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: I got.

1347
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 9: Like, yeah, you know, you know, I was landing them.

1348
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 9: Then their name it's it's nothing to bathhouse.

1349
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's the legion is. Yeah.

1350
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, So the guy who runs it, he loves crypto

1351
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 9: and so you can paying crypto. And he initially tried

1352
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 9: to market it as like, you know, like some of

1353
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 9: the heat generation is going to go is coming from crypto.

1354
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 9: But then he removed that silently. And I don't know

1355
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 9: if you removed it because it was like it's not

1356
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 9: actually or because he doesn't want people to.

1357
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 2: Just nocause it doesn't work. Just mining difficulty has reached

1358
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: a point where all of these little.

1359
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 3: Just doesn't work. Scuba diving on Roatan, which is the

1360
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 3: island where prosper the crypto city is and the future

1361
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: beautiful little like dirt road island africabbing on and the

1362
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 3: food's amazing, the diving is amazing. It's it's just a

1363
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: lovely place. And then the former dictator of Honduras, who

1364
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 3: was just pardoned by Trump, who was an ARCO trafficker,

1365
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: sold them the sovereign rights to a chunk of this island.

1366
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: And you walk down the dirt road in the dive

1367
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: town and every shop has got a sign in the

1368
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: window that says we accept bitcoin. And you walk in,

1369
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: you say do you accept bitcoin, and they're like, of course,

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: we don't accept that.

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01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: You don't. I don't have fifteen minutes to wait for this.

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Speaker 9: And these reactionaries they know how to pick a spot,

1373
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 9: you know. Yeah, If I were going to make a

1374
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 9: future network, Stay is one of the placeings I would

1375
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 9: do it.

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01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: They don't have the actual stones to find a real

1377
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: place where there's truly no laws, right well yeah, it

1378
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: also all of the actual pirates and real criminals would

1379
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: kill them.

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 9: I mean this media thing with the Pirate Enlightenment book

1381
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 9: of David Gray. You give you give fascists a lawless zone,

1382
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 9: and you let other people come into the lawas zone,

1383
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 9: and everyone else will go, why are there fascists here?

1384
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1385
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: Well do you know?

1386
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 3: Do you know a libertarian walks into a bear? The

1387
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: story about that libertarian exit town in New Hampshire where

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01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 3: they all moved in and then they ran for city

1389
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 3: council and then they abolished the school district and they

1390
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 3: did and they abolished all the rules. And then this

1391
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: one lady kept feeding bears and they're like, please stop

1392
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 3: feeding bears.

1393
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: She was like, I thought there were no rules. They

1394
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: were all being mauled by bears.

1395
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: But Thiston wrong. This Marxist gun nut weed grower moves

1396
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 3: in and he's like, I'm gonna grow weed and collect

1397
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: guns and wait for the Marxist revolution. And they're like,

1398
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: but we're a libertarian town.

1399
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: He's like, well, what are you gonna do? Actually, actually,

1400
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: libertarian means you own nothing. Yeah. No, it's my favorite.

1401
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: One of my favorite old school Internet videos is the

1402
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: Libertarian Conference where it's like, well, I think the driver's

1403
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: licenses should exist, and I think there should be some

1404
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: competency in the driving. No allow us to die and

1405
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: call crashes. We're approaching the break right now. But I

1406
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: really have been trying all weightlessness. I swear to God,

1407
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: I've been trying to get people to talk to me

1408
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: about awesome stuff. The CS is weird. This is a

1409
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: broken CS Listen. I do think wrong. I do think that.

1410
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 9: One plus I would say for the CS is it

1411
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 9: is actually a really great spot for you to come

1412
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 9: through and think about the way in which technological products

1413
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 9: are offered, as in the role they play in your life.

1414
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 9: You know, like, are you satisfied with tech products that

1415
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 9: are solely around convenience or solely around you know, assistive

1416
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 9: tech are solely around health or you know, like, what

1417
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 9: is it that you want and do you think that

1418
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 9: the industry and the sectors are interested in developing.

1419
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is what are they interested in building,

1420
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: rather than what I think.

1421
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 9: I think it's a very good place for coming and

1422
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 9: talking to people and getting sense of whether or not

1423
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 9: other people share those priorities with you.

1424
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1425
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 3: You and I saw something that we went away and bought,

1426
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,479
Speaker 3: which was that were Coco espresso maker. That's hot water

1427
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: pump it up. Yeah, it gets a nine atmospheres, It

1428
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: ejects a shot of espresso. It has no battery.

1429
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: It's like yeah. Another thing is like, do you like coffee? Right?

1430
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: Imagine if you could have coffee on the go and

1431
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: it worked the coffee I was.

1432
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 3: As a guy who flies around with an aero press,

1433
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: but whose wife prefers espresso to coffee concentrate. I'm I

1434
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 3: just like literally walked off the trade floor and bought

1435
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 3: one because now I can it's small enough. I could

1436
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,479
Speaker 3: put both of them in my bag, and my wife

1437
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: can have an espresso and I can have a coffee concentrate.

1438
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: If only old products are that good. Now, the upcoming advertisement,

1439
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: I assume will be for a product that's even better

1440
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: than that and even more useful. If it's a podcast.

1441
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: You need to listen with complete detention. Put down your

1442
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: phone or else. And we're back to the Bedro offline

1443
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: CS experience. And we've got author, activist and journalist Cory

1444
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: Doctor Hello and get you. It's Sherlyn Low and Garrison

1445
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 2: Davis of it could happen here. How are you doing? Garrison?

1446
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 5: Oh, it's another beautiful Cees morning.

1447
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: In beautiful Las Vegas. About it? What have you seen

1448
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: today today?

1449
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 5: If I finally did hold, I've been I've been neglecting Holid.

1450
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: What did you see? Yes?

1451
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: That is fine?

1452
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 5: I guess I also also also had fun in the

1453
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 5: Amazon booth. Uh.

1454
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been we've been punishing them.

1455
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I assumed. I assumed you've been punishing.

1456
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: We went in there to punish them. Yeah.

1457
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 5: No, it's if you lose your dog, you get you

1458
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 5: can use all the all the ring cameras in your

1459
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 5: neighborhood to find your pet.

1460
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: I have a five thousand dollars surveillance tower from a

1461
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: trailer that now will tell me if anyone walks near

1462
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 2: my house in any way, so I can donline one

1463
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 2: one and claim there's a prowler.

1464
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: But will it measure their skull with cal Excuse me,

1465
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: will it measure their skull with calipers to tell you

1466
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: whether they are likely criminals.

1467
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 2: Only on Ring plus with their new lightar system. Nice?

1468
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 5: Maybe No. There's also this like ring like mesh mesh network.

1469
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you if you saw that.

1470
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: Oh, they're doing this Nest bullshit.

1471
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 5: Ring sidewalk I think is what it's called. If there's

1472
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 5: a Wi Fi outage, they will they will act as

1473
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 5: a mesh to to still be able to notify you

1474
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 5: if there's like movement around your house. There's no live

1475
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 5: video because of because of how we boun so it

1476
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 5: uses it uses like point like one like one percent

1477
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 5: of like of the of like a homes like like

1478
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 5: Wi Fi system to communicate peer to peer.

1479
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: Experience of those is they don't work very well, like

1480
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: the Nest one. If you ever try and install the

1481
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: Nest product and it tries to connect to a Nest

1482
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: another Nest product, it will break in my experience.

1483
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 5: But but the thing that I found interesting about the

1484
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 5: the pet Finder is that it's it's basically making a

1485
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 5: consumer product based on the capacity that police have been

1486
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 5: using Ring for already, right, being able to like find

1487
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 5: five people and have and have immediate nearly immediate access

1488
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 5: to footage, and now they're just turning that into a

1489
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 5: consumer a consumer side product.

1490
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: How does it work?

1491
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 5: You request that you're you, You send a message rightly

1492
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 5: to like to some like Amazon app about your pet

1493
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 5: being missing, and then it searches through all the ring

1494
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 5: cameras in the neighborhood to see if you can find

1495
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 5: the pet.

1496
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: I think that is completely and notly evil. I don't think.

1497
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: Can you access people's footage?

1498
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: No, because they have it, they immediately have it.

1499
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 5: Right, So they're talking about how how this footage is

1500
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 5: like secured and encrypted and no one can see it.

1501
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, they're offering products.

1502
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 5: Based on based on everybody having ring And that's the

1503
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 5: other interesting thing is how all the new features are

1504
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 5: like useless if you only have one ring camera. The

1505
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 5: features are built or based on total societal acceptance that

1506
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 5: everyone already has these things, and the fact that everyone

1507
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 5: has these things enables all these extra features to work.

1508
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 5: So the actual individual products of these things not very useful.

1509
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 5: But as long as your whole neighborhood has it, then

1510
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 5: then it's like a really great product.

1511
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: The Surveillance Society told lap arrist with university.

1512
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 5: And it's sacrificing privacy for for a convenience. Just thinking

1513
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 5: the entire gamble with with the with this style of product.

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01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: The last scene of the conversation just like ripping up

1515
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: the sideboards and everyone's houses to try and find the

1516
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 2: ring cameras. Very horrible. So wait, but you were in

1517
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 2: hol D what'd you see in the hold again?

1518
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 5: More more more LLLM wrapper robots, A lot of smaller,

1519
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 5: smaller like robots, not not like the big the big

1520
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 5: one of the robots doing we I looked at a

1521
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 5: few robots for like you know, like learning robots for kids.

1522
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 5: For it's like kind of a toy, and it's also

1523
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 5: like supposed to be some kind of learning assistance.

1524
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: You can see through that so quickly, I must be

1525
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: clear when they.

1526
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: Get tired of it in like two minutes.

1527
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it definitely looks the ones the ones that

1528
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 5: I saw, including from this This company called their their

1529
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 5: product was called a Yambo yonbo x one, which they they.

1530
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 2: Thought as of the tongue.

1531
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's it's a it's a it's Chinese.

1532
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 5: It's Chinese for it sounds similar to the word for hug.

1533
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: But this is the well yeah, okay.

1534
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 2: I don't speak any of the language, like.

1535
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:21,480
Speaker 5: This is for natural language prompting. This is to help, allegedly,

1536
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 5: according to them, we'll he will help kids learn another language.

1537
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 5: The U S side product justice Chat GIPT. So if

1538
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 5: you're if you're if you're wanting to learn learn another

1539
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 5: language through chat GPT, this is what it'll do. It

1540
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 5: was the Wi Fi and holdy is kind of off.

1541
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 5: So it's hard to get good product. It's it's it's

1542
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 5: it's hard to go to good baseline for how for

1543
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 5: HW good the product is which everyone would search to me,

1544
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 5: what were you gonna say?

1545
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: Show?

1546
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Kind of off was the understatement

1547
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: of the Wi Fi situation that the Venetian this year, it.

1548
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: Was freaking terrible.

1549
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 7: It's not all, it's all.

1550
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: It's worse this year because even the Wi Fi was down,

1551
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: it was always the signal. It is always bad. By

1552
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: the time you approached the Venetian, you have no more

1553
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: five z R. But like in the Expo, then their

1554
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: hone in house WiFi. Was that the irony of that was.

1555
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 2: Because everyone has these GPT Yes, yeah, it's because everyone's

1556
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 2: just pummeling a ws worse than ever yet beating.

1557
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, we we tried to, you know, they try

1558
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 5: to give a demonstration where we'd teach us like a

1559
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 5: Chinese word, and so like, yeah, if you can learn

1560
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 5: a word.

1561
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 2: Speak a little Chinese, but you can't.

1562
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 5: You can't actually you can't like learn grammar, and they

1563
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 5: can't like correct a child to actually improve language, and

1564
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 5: you can't actually you actually learn to speak a language.

1565
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 5: You can learn individual words, but that's not that's not

1566
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 5: language learning, right, you can do that. You can do

1567
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 5: that like do a lingo, and that's not teaching you a.

1568
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: Lingal if you were just looking for a word and

1569
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 3: do a lingo is already something that people who teach

1570
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 3: languages are like, this is it's not all the all

1571
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 3: the features that make do a lingos cut against the

1572
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 3: pedagogical value of it as a language training tool.

1573
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of stuff like that.

1574
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 5: I I did ask them about like what their plans

1575
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,959
Speaker 5: are if if the PI for chattypt it gets more expensive.

1576
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 5: They said they do not expect that in the near future.

1577
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 5: They have like five other lms that they're that they

1578
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 5: work with. Specifically, their product is mostly in China right now,

1579
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: and they they have they can they can swap, they

1580
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 5: can talk to Lum whenever they.

1581
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: Want to, which, like is doesn't that kind of impact

1582
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: the quality?

1583
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 2: Yes, because each because each of them is prompted differently. Yes,

1584
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: I love that though it's like, what if something bad happens,

1585
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: what if it doesn't?

1586
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 5: But if it doesn't, and even if it does, we'll

1587
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 5: just use something good or whatever.

1588
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 3: I have a slightly different gloss on this though, because

1589
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 3: we were saying before that, well, all these products seem

1590
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: un differentiated. And if they're all undifferentiated because they're just

1591
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 3: a wrapper on top of chat Gypt and their vulnerable

1592
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 3: to changes, that's one thing, and it maybe speaks well

1593
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 3: for chat GPT and that they'll have whatever companies among

1594
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 3: these are successful, it'll have them over a barrel and

1595
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,839
Speaker 3: a can jack at the price on thread of bricking

1596
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: their products and making their customers angry at them. But

1597
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 3: if the case is that Chatchypt is a commodity back

1598
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 3: end and there's fifty companies in China that can do

1599
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 3: the same thing at a tenth of the price, and

1600
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 3: chatch Ept's future plan is someday there will be so

1601
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 3: many people so reliant on us that we can charge

1602
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 3: two hundred dollars for something we're charging two dollars for

1603
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 3: the answer is, the minute they start charging two hundred dollars,

1604
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 3: there will be fifty Chinese.

1605
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 2: Company charge you two dollars. Bryan Ches give Airbnb. Even

1606
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: there's like a disgusting booster who was specifically involved in

1607
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: making sure Clammy Samuelman managed to become CEO again. He

1608
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 2: literally has said I'll use Chinese lms every day, which

1609
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 2: is really funny. So really it's one of the two.

1610
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: It's going to be either. But I also don't think

1611
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 2: because they're API sales are like a small part of

1612
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: their revenue. It's just actually, here's a question, general question.

1613
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 2: Anyone hear about anyone used againthropics models even once.

1614
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 5: I've not heard mentioned Yeah, yeah, but I.

1615
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 2: Mean specifically on the floor as powering.

1616
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone, do you know what ob Pebble uses?

1617
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 3: Qual really interesting?

1618
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: But to just do the for the ring they said

1619
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 2: that was on device. There is no on device version

1620
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: of Claude Oh Peurble. I was so nice about you.

1621
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: Now I have to go and look into your in its.

1622
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: I can go, we should go.

1623
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm genuinely curious about that because there is no

1624
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 2: on device version of GPT or anything.

1625
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: Now you're making me question if I should like double chat.

1626
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: I think what I'm talking.

1627
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: About, I think that that's worthwhile, not not because, but

1628
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 2: the thing is, I'm a I'm a horrible freak that

1629
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: looks at this stuff constantly. So my natural thought was like,

1630
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: what do you mean? And I will admit the seventy

1631
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: five dollars pebble ring I supposely on device as well,

1632
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: that did seem a little rich to Meah, what do

1633
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 2: you mean by rich as in like an on device

1634
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 2: model and a tiny ring.

1635
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: It's not on the ring, it's on the phone.

1636
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 2: Yes, but they're saying it's if it needs to go

1637
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: through Claude. That's not I don't know. There's there's something

1638
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: weird there, and again that's something that will increase in price.

1639
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 5: Another on water you go there. Alleged on device product

1640
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 5: is the Lunar Pendant, which is real time a GI

1641
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 5: emotion tracking.

1642
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 3: Okay, oh, well, because it's not doing anything real you

1643
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 3: could put a random number.

1644
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: Well it's not, actually it is.

1645
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 5: It is listening to every single thing you say and

1646
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 5: building emotional assessments based on what you say as well

1647
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 5: as you know, whatever kind of biometrics it can connect

1648
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 5: from a pendant resting on your like.

1649
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 2: They mention what the customer might be. No, not, because

1650
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: this always immediately goes to people with autism. We already

1651
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 2: ran into someone with a dog a dog toy today.

1652
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: It was like it could help autistic children.

1653
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 5: This was not this was this was not marketed to that.

1654
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 5: This is what is this? Foreman, this is this is

1655
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 5: for I wouldn't say women.

1656
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: That was the classic.

1657
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't understand women love to be told what are Yeah?

1658
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. We finally found a device to be sexist

1659
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 2: without the need of all of all.

1660
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 5: Of the was was was pretty yes, and it measures

1661
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 5: like six or seven.

1662
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: That was a mistake.

1663
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 5: I'm sorry that it does. It does like six or

1664
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 5: seven different emotions most but it's mostly done just through

1665
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 5: listening on on device though they do not upload to

1666
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 5: the They do not upload the audio to the cloud. Nice, okay,

1667
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 5: it is on device.

1668
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 1: But so no biometric data, just listening.

1669
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 5: That's unclear. Uncle, It was mostly listening because again, I'm

1670
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 5: it's some look sometimes I honestly language barriers when trying

1671
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 5: to talk with some of these boots here.

1672
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 2: I would respect them so much. It was for guys.

1673
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 2: If it was just like you guys.

1674
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: Yea a sound Harry very ability, breathing and movement, that's

1675
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: what it was.

1676
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 5: It's it's resting on your chest so you can have

1677
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 5: some some heart, some breathing, but most mostly it's just

1678
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 5: through listening to everything.

1679
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: The reason I asked this, that's the only thing that

1680
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: differentiates it from like the Halo Tone wearable from you

1681
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: just go buy Amazon that's already doing the same thing.

1682
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm very like I have a good memory for all

1683
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: the devices that try to tell me what I'm feeling

1684
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: and tell me to chill out, come down, so like this,

1685
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: this is a sort of device that remembers. And there's

1686
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: another product that was at CES that was like, clearly

1687
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: men made this for women. It was like a broad

1688
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 1: insert to like be a wearable to detect your detect

1689
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: your booms. Well, no, you're you're metro like it's kind

1690
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: of for gym purposes when you're working out. And I

1691
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: was just like, if you've paid any attention to the

1692
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: women's sports bra industry discourse at all, it's that we've

1693
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: been asking for these broad inserts to be removed or

1694
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: sewn in. We don't want them to be removable, fall

1695
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: out of when they're trying. We just want them to

1696
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: remain in place or just be done with.

1697
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: One of less classic situations, I did you talk to

1698
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: a woman? Off? Do you make?

1699
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: Or anything else?

1700
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: Right?

1701
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: Like, if you're designing a product for someone in a wheelchair,

1702
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: have you worked with someone who's actually using a wheelchair?

1703
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 3: Well, the saying is nothing about us with that, which

1704
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 3: I discovered goes back to the Polish equivalent of the

1705
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 3: Magna kurta and this sixteenth century, and it was what

1706
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: the barons made the king agree was that nothing about

1707
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 3: them would be done without them. It didn't didn't rhyme

1708
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 3: in Polish.

1709
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's also definitely not how c S works.

1710
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 2: Is like without you, we will sell to you.

1711
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tanry Ford. Right. If I ask people what

1712
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 3: they wanted, they'd say faster horse, right, And so we're

1713
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: here to tell you what you want.

1714
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but these people would sell you like horseshoes

1715
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 2: to make the horses faster, rather than it's like these

1716
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 2: people don't get to anything. I'm still sitting there trying

1717
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: to work out what that pendant is for. I'm gonna

1718
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 2: be honest, like what alien.

1719
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 5: Well, sometimes you're suppled to know if you if you're

1720
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 5: calm or if you're angry. Oh I know what I'm met.

1721
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm breathing.

1722
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: I recently started somadic therapy, and so I think I

1723
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: can understand the idea of the benefits of knowing when

1724
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: you're feeling something, identifying it and kind of like staying

1725
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 1: with it. But I don't think a pendant is going

1726
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: to tell me in real time. It's not built for

1727
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:00,879
Speaker 1: that exactly.

1728
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 3: Well with any of that, I mean, what are you

1729
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,839
Speaker 3: supposed to be doing, like looking down and going, oh.

1730
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: No, I'm angry and why and then breathe?

1731
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: It does? It does?

1732
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 5: It does connect to an app where like christ it

1733
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 5: has it has an analysis of how you're feeling, how

1734
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 5: you're feeling, you know, heart rate.

1735
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 2: This reminds me of Victoria's song posting the Aura Ring.

1736
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: Think it's like stressed straight, like collective bar running seven

1737
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 2: hours stressed right? Oh God? So what you got a

1738
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 2: lot of paper that.

1739
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 5: I I just I just like collecting these.

1740
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 2: That's fine paper. Anything else you you regarded, Oh.

1741
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 5: I guess I'll talk about the the one that I

1742
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 5: feel the weirdest about awesome. This is another CES Innovation

1743
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 5: Award winner.

1744
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 2: Okay, this is from South Korea.

1745
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 5: This is the Self Insight Therapy Resolved x R oh.

1746
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: Okay, well I've got most of This.

1747
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 5: Is a VR experience to give you a final goodbye

1748
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 5: to a deceased fred So the episode. So, we have

1749
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 5: seen stuffing this before. We have we have seen these

1750
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,560
Speaker 5: kind of like VR experiences that are either fully scripted

1751
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 5: or done with like an AI And I thought that's

1752
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 5: what this that this was. I thought this was just

1753
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 5: another one of those, and I was surprised why it

1754
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 5: won an Innovation award because we've seen this stuff years ago.

1755
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 5: This the reason why it's different is that this is

1756
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 5: not an AI. This is not an AI system. This

1757
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 5: is not a pre recorded movie either. This is a

1758
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 5: avatar puppeted by a therapist as a part of a

1759
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 5: as a part of like a therapy program where you

1760
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 5: enter into it for a short amount of time to

1761
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 5: give this like like visual like therapeutic exercise to someone

1762
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 5: when they weren't able to say goodbye to a FAMI member,

1763
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 5: usually after some kind of accident.

1764
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 2: Is what this was.

1765
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 5: And they they talked about a few instances of like

1766
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 5: this really bad plane crash uh last year, and that

1767
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 5: that's that was like the main main use case that

1768
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 5: that is seen. It's right now just available in Korea.

1769
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 5: They're trying to expand to Japan and the United States

1770
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 5: where they would need to partner with with therapists in

1771
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 5: those countries. So yes, I feel really odd about about

1772
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 5: these types of products obviously specifically like the digital avatar

1773
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 5: nature of it. Yeah, if you have a recording of

1774
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 5: your of your deceased loved ones voice, it can try

1775
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 5: to clone the voice, so it does use A so

1776
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 5: it doesn't use AA for the voice. But the person

1777
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 5: there's the therapist puppet.

1778
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 2: Puppeting it, who will who will do text to speech?

1779
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 5: So they will will will we'll we'll we'll text to speech,

1780
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 5: uh the like, you know, whatever, the whatever the person

1781
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 5: will like.

1782
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: It takes the speech as well. So no, it is

1783
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 2: texting that That's what it is.

1784
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 5: It is text to speech. The therapist that's puppeting it.

1785
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 5: The words coming out of the avatar are from a

1786
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 5: therapist who's typing out who's typing out the words as

1787
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 5: a part of this this therapeutic exercise. But then then

1788
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 5: will be that will come out, is in a cloned

1789
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 5: voice of the deceased?

1790
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: Are they're also controlling like the gestures when you see puppetting.

1791
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 5: Yes, there is a pre pre recorded set of set

1792
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 5: of movements that they can that they can initiate.

1793
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 2: This sounds traumatizing.

1794
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 5: They said that the people have used it have liked it,

1795
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 5: and there's a video of of course they're gonna say

1796
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 5: that obviously, yeah, people, but that's you know, and I

1797
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 5: saw I saw a footage of of of someone using it.

1798
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 5: I think it is It is good that this isn't

1799
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 5: just an a I L L M who's just talking

1800
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 5: as your as you'r.

1801
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 2: As and it's not pretending to be that.

1802
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 5: It is a therapeutic experience and it is an exercise

1803
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 5: similar similar, similar, well the pretty you know you're you're

1804
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 5: wearing the r gogs, like you see the avatar in

1805
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 5: like a setting and you like say goodbye and get

1806
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 5: some kind of closure as a part of a therapeutic experience.

1807
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 5: And like there's versions that we already just do this

1808
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 5: in therapy, like you already sort of exercises with therapy.

1809
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 5: This is putting in kind of in avatar over it.

1810
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 5: I don't feel great at the avatar. But this is

1811
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 5: this is certainly better and more thoughtful than just talking

1812
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 5: to and just talking to an ll M. The fact

1813
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 5: that it's you're partnering with a therapist you've already been

1814
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 5: working with who already knows you for people and they

1815
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 5: getting an extreme emotional grief, Like I can see that

1816
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 5: they did stress that, like this isn't for everybody. This

1817
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 5: is for people like dealing with they get extreme emotional grief,

1818
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 5: and I, you know, ask like, you know, why did

1819
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 5: you choose you know, why is this not just an AI.

1820
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 5: They're like, well, I mean these people are very traumatized

1821
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 5: and you actually need a skill.

1822
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 2: I give them. I give him some credit. If that's

1823
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: the If that's their reaction to it, yeah, I'm less.

1824
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not mad at it because if they're

1825
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 2: very much like this is very specific, Yeah, I'm alright

1826
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: with it.

1827
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 5: This is my experience at the booth because I went

1828
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 5: in very skept hostile, hostile, because I was very hostile,

1829
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 5: and they didn't necessarily win me over, but I understood

1830
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 5: why the product exists over time more and I was like, yeah,

1831
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 5: I feel very odd, not odd. I think digital. I

1832
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 5: think digital necromancy is bad. Yeah, I've every every CS

1833
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 5: I've been to. There's I've done some report on digital necromancy.

1834
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 5: The fact that it's cloning the voice I don't love.

1835
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 5: But the product's not for me, right, It's I would

1836
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 5: not want to hear an ai voice of my dead friend,

1837
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 5: but that is me and I'm you know, as a

1838
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 5: gen Z Canadian American, I don't want this for some

1839
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 5: people who are using using this product that might help

1840
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 5: them in certain settings with an awareness that like you're

1841
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 5: this is you know, this is an avatar, this is around.

1842
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm just into a therapist. I'm not a therapist, but

1843
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 2: my view on that is like there are certain things

1844
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 2: where it's leading you to get to conclusions and I

1845
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: feel like adding a disembodied digital levatar controlled by a keyboard,

1846
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, if this helps someone, brilliant, but it's also

1847
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: just like that's just it's adding a layer of something

1848
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 2: that probably will get in the way of feeling better

1849
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: because it's like like change comes from within, like.

1850
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 5: This is this is this is the gestalt to empty

1851
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 5: chair technique. That's that's therapy Techniquely.

1852
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 3: I want to raise another point. So hagen Blix was

1853
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:09,440
Speaker 3: on this machine kills talking about chat or chat therapists,

1854
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 3: and how the temptation on the firms that are delivering

1855
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 3: therapy over chat is to pile more chat windows on

1856
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 3: a single therapist and to get them to multitask and

1857
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 3: then multi multitask. And so I'm not saying this firm

1858
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 3: is doing it. I'm saying that this is a mode

1859
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 3: of therapy that is uniquely amenable to speed ups that

1860
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 3: are anti patient and anti therapists.

1861
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: I have also a thought, right, which is when I

1862
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: was mostly furious about this until you mentioned this was

1863
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: for extreme scenario, extreme cases of grief, And I was like, Okay,

1864
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: can imagine if someone is so deep in their grief

1865
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't respond to anything, but you need anything,

1866
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: You need anything. But then I think about, like even myself,

1867
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: thinking about going through the process of anyone that that

1868
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: has you know, a friend died in a car accident

1869
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: two years ago, Like if the thought of talking to

1870
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: an embodied version of him and hearing his voice just

1871
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: get me out of my grief is already dubious, But

1872
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: then you have to I was like, oh, but all

1873
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: kinds of therapy rec there's a little resistance to that

1874
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: sort of grief therapy anyway. So I was like trying

1875
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: to make my peace with that. Then I remember, this

1876
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: is x R. You're gonna have to convince the person

1877
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: who's an extreme grief to put on a headset.

1878
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 3: Yes, just trap this brick to your face for five

1879
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 3: seconds and strap this brick trap yourself.

1880
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 5: That's I mean, yeah, this is something that you're gonna

1881
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 5: I don't think they're getting convinced into doing this. I

1882
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 5: think it's that they will, you know, this is an

1883
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 5: option that they can choose from. And I think it's

1884
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 5: also specifically this is not like an extended things. This

1885
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 5: isn't something you like go to talk to your friend.

1886
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 5: It's it's it is a It is to give you

1887
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 5: like a yeah one one time like good like like

1888
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 5: closure exercise is I'm also just like that you also

1889
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 5: have it for a pet.

1890
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: They also have a powkay. Because now it's like closure

1891
01:24:55,120 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 2: isn't always clean. That's absolutely life is message, but also

1892
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,839
Speaker 2: you don't get closure on that. Therapy is about finding

1893
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 2: finding a way through when you.

1894
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 3: The gift you give yourself is not a thing you

1895
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 3: get from someone else.

1896
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 5: That's the more like larger like essential resistance that I

1897
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 5: have to.

1898
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 2: This is hearing the pet thing really fills people angry

1899
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 2: by yeah, yeah, yeah, yam yamyamao, yamyam maamyamao. No, it's

1900
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 2: just also like you lost your pet. What the fuck

1901
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 2: is seeing like a three D cat or dog? Like?

1902
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 3: What of Canada's most beloved prime ministers, John Diefenbaker, used

1903
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,560
Speaker 3: to go get advice for running the country from his

1904
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 3: dog's ghost.

1905
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 2: What that was?

1906
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: Dead air there?

1907
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 2: It's true Cleveland Brown's dropped. Did Johnny mansiel based on

1908
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 2: a homeless person's idea? I love this tell me everything.

1909
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 2: That's all I know.

1910
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 3: We learned it in history. I was fourteen years old,

1911
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 3: That's all I remember. It's literally the only thing I

1912
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 3: know about chan T dog's ghosts. There's a lot of

1913
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 3: buildings named after him as well. But he did Did

1914
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 3: you learn this? What did you grow up in Canada?

1915
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: I did grow up in Canada.

1916
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 3: Did you learn this in ninth grade?

1917
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: Know? By then I was already in the States. Okay,

1918
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: so you.

1919
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 3: Didn't get our full year about just the Canadian Pacific Railroad,

1920
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 3: World War One and John diefen Baker's dead.

1921
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 2: We got a little bit of the railroad, but that's it. Yeah,

1922
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 2: you missed the year of Canadian education around dog ghosts.

1923
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: I did miss that one.

1924
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna put them on the new fifty.

1925
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 10: The dog ghost that's good, had a lot of them. Yeah,

1926
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 10: the Supreme Leader Curry, We'll get right on that.

1927
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 2: I just see this stuff and hearing the pet thing,

1928
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, because my thought process with this was like, okay,

1929
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 2: extreme situations. But then I'm like, the pet thing, I

1930
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: don't yet. No, I hear pet and I'm like, so

1931
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 2: it's not extreme situation. You will because my thought was, okay,

1932
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 2: if this is very specific, like deep in the box

1933
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: of tools, we've tried everything. Yeah, fuck yeah, we'll help

1934
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: you with your other thing.

1935
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 3: And also if your favorite flavor of ice cream is

1936
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 3: sold out at basketball yeah, yea, yeah, we've got.

1937
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 2: A model for that. It's also preparing you. I don't know.

1938
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 2: Some of the most difficult things in therapy for me

1939
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 2: have been accepting there is no such thing as closure.

1940
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 2: In some cases, you will never have that.

1941
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 5: The other thing I don't think about the pet thing

1942
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Speaker 5: is that it is that that is a reoccurring feature.

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Speaker 5: You can visit the Yeah, it's like you create a

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Speaker 5: space more than once which okay.

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Speaker 1: I will say now that I'm reading the brochure, it

1946
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Speaker 1: is not just about the grief. I think there's parts

1947
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Speaker 1: of this that sound like that makes sense, or the

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Speaker 1: resolve extra part of it that's talking about the gestalte

1949
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Speaker 1: empty chair thing. It's also like not just about grief,

1950
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Speaker 1: but it's about like confronting difficult, like conflict moments that

1951
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Speaker 1: one I could learn to deal with because like whenever

1952
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Speaker 1: I'm dealing with like a manipulative talker and I don't

1953
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Speaker 1: know how to like respond and I have these emotional reactions,

1954
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Speaker 1: bubble up a bit of practice into dealing with the

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Speaker 1: The thing is.

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Speaker 2: The like, you are completely correct, I sound like another lum.

1957
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Speaker 2: But these are the soft edges where these people work

1958
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Speaker 2: their ways in right. It's like, well, there could be

1959
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Speaker 2: a situation where it makes sense. They're not preparing for

1960
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Speaker 2: a situation if they have, I can revisit my dead dog.

1961
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Speaker 2: They're just like, fuck it. Can I say enough of this?

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Speaker 3: It's a structural problem with small backs products. Also, you

1963
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Speaker 3: just want to expand the market.

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Speaker 1: I'll also point out that on the brochure this you

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Speaker 1: should have said it here, But they are calling the

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Speaker 1: grief part of it good mourning with a U.

1967
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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, no, I love having good morning.

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Speaker 3: That's that's very good.

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Speaker 1: That's that that tells me this is a state hairdresser.

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Speaker 3: Hairdressers uh business name grade pun curl up and die

1971
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Speaker 3: good morning.

1972
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Speaker 2: A bike called bike curious like Jesus fucking That's that's

1973
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Speaker 2: the thing is. I'm really trying and hear, folks, I'm

1974
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Speaker 2: trying to find some stuff. I'm trying to look not

1975
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Speaker 2: cynically about it.

1976
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Speaker 5: Well, there's a bajillion AI cooking products.

1977
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Speaker 2: I did see what I did see. We saw one

1978
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Speaker 2: which was just a giant box.

1979
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Speaker 5: No, they're all boxes and things you have. You still

1980
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Speaker 5: do all the prepper work yourself. You still have to

1981
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:43,839
Speaker 5: assemble the ingredients. In most cases. It's it's it's it's

1982
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 5: an oven, like it's a it's a quote unquote smart oven.

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Speaker 2: Right.

1984
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Speaker 5: That's all these A products that like that like take

1985
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 5: the effort out of cooking. You're like, well, yeah, that's

1986
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 5: just putting something in the oven, like right, and still

1987
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Speaker 5: have to do a lot of work.

1988
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Speaker 3: You kind of have hoses that are just full of

1989
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Speaker 3: congealed schmuds.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. At some point, like three days in

1991
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:02,839
Speaker 2: it's going to just be congealed.

1992
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Speaker 5: Cleaning it's going to be a nightmare. It's it's easier

1993
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Speaker 5: just to cook.

1994
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Speaker 1: Like it's like it reminds me of those videos where

1995
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 1: like the influencers going these are my simple meals, no

1996
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: cook simple meals. Step one caught some garlic and it's

1997
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Speaker 1: just like no, no, no, you're cooking.

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Speaker 5: Yeah no, Like this is like you put put a

1999
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 5: piece of cardboard in the microwave, Like that's that's gonna

2000
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 5: be more efficient if you really want to live a

2001
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 5: lifestyle where you don't cook.

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Speaker 2: Enough about British cooking.

2003
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Speaker 3: I just I just learned about from from Garbage Ryan

2004
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Speaker 3: about uh kitchen cells, which is the Reddit forum for

2005
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 3: in cells who cook elaborate meals and then feel bad

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Speaker 3: about themselves.

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Speaker 2: That's fun, Yeah, good for them at least better good

2008
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Speaker 2: morning someone else. So that was that was a bitch,

2009
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 2: you think to say, But no, I wait, so these

2010
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 2: people are like in cells who would just so the

2011
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 2: two varieties are very elaborate meal I cooked with a

2012
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 2: caption that is just like I want to die, or

2013
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 2: like someone who's literally microwaved a piece of cardboard and

2014
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 2: it's the caption is I'm a piece of ship. That's

2015
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Speaker 2: that second one is really funny. I mean, actually no,

2016
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 2: the idea of doing like a five course tasting menu

2017
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 2: and doing that is actually really good. That's pretty good.

2018
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Speaker 2: That's that's But are they serious or is this so?

2019
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 3: This was the thing garbage Ryan said is he wasn't

2020
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 3: sure to what extended was a bit think for some

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Speaker 3: of them it's a bit. It's it's like, yeah, like.

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Speaker 2: I love those where it's just like a TV, a

2023
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: like a high sensed TV on top of the box

2024
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Speaker 2: that the hesned TV came in, and like an Apple

2025
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 2: TV and a PlayStation five with like bent cables because

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01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 2: like like straight out the box plugs. I love that.

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Speaker 3: My favorite one was the guy who bought a church

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Speaker 3: and he had a he had a bed and a

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Speaker 3: little table and in a church, and his his uh

2030
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Speaker 3: caption was any suggestions for what else to do with this?

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01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:56,600
Speaker 1: Do an exorcism?

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Speaker 2: I mean the thing you're going to do in six

2033
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: months involving a news Sorry, but it's like, why did

2034
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 2: you buy a church? There is this guy.

2035
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 3: Scarsing about a church. They're cheap. Religion is failing in America.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's good or bad. Now, I

2037
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 2: did see this guy on Instagram that I've been following

2038
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 2: for like a while where he bought like a house

2039
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 2: in an Eastern European country for five thousand euro and

2040
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Speaker 2: he has put so much money into it just making

2041
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 2: it and he's actually got like walls. Now he's like

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01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: day five thousand to buy my five thousand euro house.

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01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 2: My friend Kujuk came down and it's just like this

2044
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Speaker 2: Eastern European guy who you could shoot with a gun

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01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 2: and it would just bounce the fuck off this.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all of these guys who are just like

2048
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 2: actual work and stiffs who are like this is gonna

2049
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 2: get me promo because they all make money off of it,

2050
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 2: which is cool. Actually actually in a weird way, likely

2051
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 2: helps the local economy. But it is funny watching just

2052
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 2: the American guys being like fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

2053
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 2: infrastructure doesn't work someplaces. Yeah. Well, as we wrap up

2054
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 2: this half an hour section, I'm gonna advertise something now.

2055
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 2: It's called a stuff buyer. Go to stuff buyo dot

2056
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: Bierz and whatever you hear next, ignore that, ur L.

2057
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 2: That's not where stuff buyo dot biz is where you're

2058
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: going to buy your next products. Thank you please, I

2059
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Speaker 2: am being gangstalk. Welcome back to Better Offline. I'm at

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Speaker 2: Cetron and we have one of grab with us. Of course, journalist, activist,

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Speaker 2: and of course I was author, yeah, author with keeping it.

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Speaker 2: It's fine, author Cory doctor Rowe. Hello, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 5: If it could happen here, there's been a white van

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Speaker 5: outside this hotel the entire time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're only looking for me, Sheldon lower n

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Speaker 2: Gadget and we're going to actually start with some Engadget things.

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Speaker 2: What I engadget It's best to see, yes, like what

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01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 2: was the stuff that Engadget actually liked.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll hate us for this, because

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01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: we talked earlier in the episode this we we as

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01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: a team awarded the Lego Smartplay smartbreak system totally fort

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01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: and show. It was a show off hands type of

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Speaker 1: votement by the time we had gotten around to the

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01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: last one, and like we were doing ranked tories voting too,

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01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: so like we had to go around with everyone.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were ready to stay.

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Speaker 1: I know, thank you.

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Speaker 9: We were.

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Speaker 1: We've been progressive for a very long time.

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01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 7: We uh, we were dedicated.

2082
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: We're like, however long this takes to find the best

2083
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 1: and show, we're going to stay all through the night.

2084
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 1: And then we got through the first few candidates and

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01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: then we got to Lego and then like more than

2086
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: half way, more than half hands went up and we're like, oh, well,

2087
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: good thing. We don't need to say the rest of

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01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: the night. Then it's quite obvious. Yeah, some quick math

2089
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: was done. So anyway, I think the Best and Gadget's

2090
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Speaker 1: Best of ce AS awards are going to reflect engadgets

2091
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 1: choice and gadgets taste, and so that's good, right, I'm glad.

2092
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: I think it shows that we're a bunch of childish kids,

2093
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: nerds and that sort of thing, and I like that

2094
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 1: about my team. And also then we had other winners,

2095
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: like you'll see our list of winners include things like TVs, laptops,

2096
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 1: concept devices.

2097
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 2: Look at this thrown toilet mount health.

2098
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: That's not an at war to be clear, that's the weirdestkedget.

2099
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 2: That's all the coolest text.

2100
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 3: W A And I'm like, is it a Shuri?

2101
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that you got confused because

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01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 1: that's very good feedback for the team that I've been

2103
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: trying to fight with about the headlines.

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01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that completely confused me because the measure, Yeah put it.

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01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 2: I'm just going to show only be drinking diet cokes

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01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 2: for seven years.

2107
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Speaker 1: That will tell you we did not give that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So your best of CS, I will stop trying

2109
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Speaker 2: to anticipate your dynamoon.

2110
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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I can I do that too. Our

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Speaker 1: best of CS includes like the l G wall paper

2112
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Speaker 1: TV that was shown. This's your very classic CS type

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Speaker 1: of price we got, that's it. Yeah, it's very thin,

2114
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: very impressive. It just lost that sound bar base that

2115
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: used to be what it came out of. And then

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01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,679
Speaker 1: there's no cables like stuff for the power court because

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Speaker 1: it's got the wireless control center that always that the

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01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: brick that is kind of the little Yeah, you could

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Speaker 1: tuck it away low latency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly saw that, and I was kind of like,

2121
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Speaker 2: I love that. It's like way, it's like super expensive,

2122
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 2: out of the range of most people, but it's cool

2123
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 2: to And also so wait does the thing go on

2124
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 2: it plugs in the walls.

2125
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: Still there's still a power court for the TV itself.

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01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 2: HD mind such comes up the community? Did you get

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Speaker 2: the price on the wallpaper one? Or if they not

2128
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 2: said it yet.

2129
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: I have had so many numbers, it's hard.

2130
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 3: And do they do the surveillance that is endemic to

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Speaker 3: smart TVs or is it like a dumb TV when

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Speaker 3: it comes to sending information about what you're watching?

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01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that either. I had our TV

2134
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Speaker 1: experts cover it.

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Speaker 2: I just know that.

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Speaker 3: I mean Consumer Union every time they look at TV's

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Speaker 3: are like very good one for us to look into.

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Speaker 5: The stuff like the wallpaper TV and the transparent TV

2139
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 5: aren't even really marketed towards most like nos like they're

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Speaker 5: they're kind of for like hotel lobbies or for like

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Speaker 5: like the paper.

2142
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Speaker 2: TV feels more business could be. It feels like more

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Speaker 2: like something eventually a person might buy, rather than the

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Speaker 2: transparent one, which you know what keeps fucking that chicken Like, yeah,

2145
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 2: bring that weird ship with you.

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Speaker 6: I love that.

2147
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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of weird Ship, Lenovo this year we're like, we

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Speaker 1: really like this thing. We want to give it an

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Speaker 1: a war. Let's think about like how which the Lenovo

2151
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Speaker 1: Legion Pro seven eye rollable concept?

2152
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Speaker 2: Is that the one that kind of rolls.

2153
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a gaming laptop, but it's screen can expand

2154
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,879
Speaker 1: by rolling out into like twenty three point eight inches

2155
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: of space, and so you can stop in between twenty

2156
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Speaker 1: one point five inches or so, so you get like

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Speaker 1: different aspect ratios when you're gaming and you just want

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01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: to like drill in or you want to have discord

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01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 1: show up on the ride or whatever.

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01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 2: It knows what ext you've unrolled it, and that it's

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01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 2: always been the.

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01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 1: Trick, right, not understanding how to place these items on

2163
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: the screen. But it's gotten there.

2164
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 2: It's very interesting and that's just the concept though.

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01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:34,759
Speaker 1: It's just a concept.

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01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 2: But they last year they had a concept with the

2167
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 2: swivel which ended up being real.

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01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Actually the auto twist they're calling it this year.

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01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a laptop.

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01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a gaming labe.

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01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 2: So this is like Butterfly keyboard, but Butterfly screen. But

2172
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 2: it like slowly rolls. It rolls. It's not like a

2173
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 2: fold out press a button.

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01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, oh my god, need to show you

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01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 1: a video. You don't unroll it, like no, not by hand.

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01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's I like that. I also think that

2177
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 2: we're approaching the point where we're limited by form factors,

2178
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 2: so that is cool. Yes, I hope they're able to

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01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 2: do it in anything approaching affordability, right, I know that's

2180
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 2: not the same time. For like a decade we've talked

2181
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 2: about like rollable screens, screens. It's nice to see that

2182
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 2: in a consumer tech housing and not yanky and not janky.

2183
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: It had a little wobble, like just mentioned, it has

2184
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,759
Speaker 2: a little bubble. But I'm kind of like, it's a concept.

2185
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 2: It's a concept concept, a concept. You're not talking about

2186
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 2: selling it. I kind of like it. But wh else

2187
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 2: she got on the list?

2188
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: I want to shout out the I x I autofocus

2189
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: slash adaptive iewere Okay, so they're not officially as as

2190
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 1: I think the parachute they dropped in. They were like,

2191
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: let's take some meetings. These are you know how multifocal

2192
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 1: slash bifocal classes right now are very clum.

2193
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: Now I don't know that.

2194
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that, so some people might know, but

2195
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: they get very clunky and very chunky because you have

2196
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: like just the technology isn't there yet.

2197
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 2: I have a stupid question by folk, what is like

2198
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 2: so the top half.

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01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: So some people have both near sighted and far sighted

2200
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 1: as you age, so you one prescription doesn't cut it.

2201
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 1: You need one like and sometimes they cut your lens

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01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 1: so that the top half is for your alongside it

2203
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: and the bottom half is where you.

2204
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 3: Right, That's what I have in this lens, okay. And

2205
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 3: it's minus progressive, so it's not a sharp line. That's

2206
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 3: more magnified the further down it goes.

2207
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 1: Okay, so those are like multifocal. So so I XI

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01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: has technology. I'm very curious what you think about this

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01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: corey where it's using a mix of like LEDs around

2210
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 1: the lens to detect your gaze and where you're looking,

2211
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: and then a liquid crystal lens layer that changes the

2212
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: prescription of the lens so you're whenever you're wherever you're

2213
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 1: looking at something. It's just detecting the right prescription and

2214
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: just working the way it should. See a demo. R

2215
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: Matt Smith took a demo and he was impressed. We've

2216
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 1: already interviewed I x I in September. We've known this

2217
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 1: tech was coming, but now they're at CES with a

2218
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: working demo.

2219
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:56,560
Speaker 3: So what I would want to know is like, so

2220
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 3: this sounds amazing. I had cataract surgery last year, okay,

2221
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 3: and I got what's called oh god, I can't monofocus.

2222
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 3: So this eye is focused at monovision. Rather, this eye

2223
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 3: is focused at twenty three inches. This eye is focused

2224
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 3: at twenty five feet. My brain switches between them depending

2225
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 3: on what I'm looking at. And then this is the

2226
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,759
Speaker 3: only corrective region in my glasses. It's on the distance

2227
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 3: eye and it's a close up region, so that if

2228
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 3: I'm reading on this side, I don't have to turn

2229
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 3: my head right, but I can get around. Like I

2230
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 3: just went skiing without my glasses on for the first time.

2231
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 3: My life is fucking amazing. Oh wow, no fog, nothing

2232
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 3: like just so great scuba diving, just terrific. The thing

2233
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,759
Speaker 3: I'd be worried about, as a man who has dropped

2234
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 3: his glasses fourteen million times, is what happens when these

2235
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 3: things fall off your face.

2236
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know yet. I think it has to

2237
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,560
Speaker 1: depend on who they team up with on the like

2238
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 1: frames as well, and how they build these into like

2239
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: retail ready products. I don't have all the details yet

2240
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: because it was a late entrance to our lac as

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01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 1: a Wars discussions.

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01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 3: It's an amazing idea, but also and the fact that

2243
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 3: they made it work is incredibly and.

2244
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 2: Is there anything more consumer tech than that?

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01:39:59,720 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 9: Right?

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01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:00,919
Speaker 7: Right glasses.

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01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: And also one more thing, spectacle technology. I glasses technology

2248
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 1: hasn't changed. It's been stagnant since the nineteen fifties, So

2249
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: for something like this to happen, it'd be cool. And

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01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 1: also imagine getting like one pair of lenses that you theoretically,

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01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: hypothetically don't need to keep changing as your eye as

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01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: your worsen or changes that could be sustainable, could be

2253
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: just for your cost, for your budget. That would be

2254
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:25,799
Speaker 1: great too. So I just think there's so much potential.

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01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 1: We were so exciting, really cool.

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01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 5: Multiple people could wear the glasses, I guess could be.

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01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: I can't say because I think for them they can't

2258
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: say things they love.

2259
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 3: I'd love to know, like, can you put it in

2260
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,440
Speaker 3: I'm painting D and D mini's mode and have it ratchet.

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01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 1: Hypothetically? Why not?

2262
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 3: You know, my grandfather was a watchmaker and he wore

2263
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 3: a jeweler's loop. Yes, professional life and you know Popeye

2264
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,600
Speaker 3: squint right, Like if you could just be like, no,

2265
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm on the job now, I'm fixing a watch movement

2266
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 3: and it just suddenly zooms up.

2267
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, going to be pretty so cool.

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01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 7: That's just really cool technologies.

2269
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 1: So we were very glad we were able to see

2270
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: it here and then we you know, we talked about

2271
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: the wheel Move earlier in the episode, gave the wheel

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01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: Move an award. We just didn't see enough sustainable slash

2273
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: transport related technologies to have something for those categories. Literally

2274
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: just there were there were things. They just weren't good.

2275
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean you didn't have anything you could

2276
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 2: give an award to.

2277
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 5: I mean all those personal helicopters I think could serve

2278
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 5: a great public service helicopters.

2279
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can see.

2280
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Richer is from last year.

2281
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 2: I talked.

2282
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 5: I talked with Richer last year. There was there was

2283
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:33,680
Speaker 5: I saw two personal helicopters this year.

2284
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 2: One of them was Richter. Yeah.

2285
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 5: I think I think we should be giving giving those

2286
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 5: out to me. No, not to you, you're not You're

2287
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 5: not rich enough. I think we should be giving the

2288
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 5: personal helicopters to like maybe the top like point five people.

2289
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 10: Everyone should happen with whirling blades on the sale free. No,

2290
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 10: I think everye they should all.

2291
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 5: We should all as a as a victory trilphy for

2292
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 5: you won, you won, you won, society piece. Right here,

2293
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 5: We're going to give you this personal helicopter. It's gonna

2294
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 5: work great, it'll be fine. It's just as much as

2295
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 5: you want.

2296
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 3: That pairs very nicely with this thing we saw. Oh god,

2297
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 3: so we saw a personal airbag for old people worried

2298
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 3: about breaking their hips.

2299
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 2: And it sounds that you fall Yeah, it sounds like

2300
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 2: a good idea until you learn the details.

2301
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 3: Well, the business model, yes, So the business model is

2302
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 3: so if you fall over, they call, they call the

2303
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 3: emergency services.

2304
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a forty dollars a month subscription, which is nice.

2305
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: And I said to the guy, like, is Twilio that expensive,

2306
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 2: because like that's you're paying like like tiny amounts of

2307
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,679
Speaker 2: money for one take. There's so many fall detection Yeah,

2308
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 2: like it's like there's no fucking way in hell. And

2309
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 2: you can't repack the airbag after you use it.

2310
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 3: So it's it's use.

2311
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 2: You get four eight hundred dollars for two airbags what

2312
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 2: and forty bucks a month? Otherwise, all it does is

2313
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 2: the airbag thing. It doesn't. It doesn't. They're trying to scam.

2314
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 3: Let's scam people trying to scam it from medica. They were, well, yeah,

2315
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 3: they were trying to get medicare proof. Man, who's also

2316
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 3: had a hip replacement, but two hip replacements. Uh, and

2317
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 3: was the youngest person on the ward when I had

2318
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:10,720
Speaker 3: it done that, Like, you know, forty month subscription from

2319
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 3: an eighty year old does not generate that much revenue over.

2320
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 2: Months. Forty bucks. Fuck you man, it's a Twilio thing.

2321
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 2: It's well, you're just paying Twilio.

2322
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,720
Speaker 1: So then wouldn't you want to like make sure the

2323
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: airbag is repackable because then you.

2324
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:30,679
Speaker 3: Have m you don't know if it's going to work.

2325
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 3: If the old person with the arthritis repacks it, then

2326
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 3: we're worried that break a hip.

2327
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 1: But then then they stop paying the forty dollars a

2328
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 1: month Onnesday is But.

2329
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 3: Another argument is if you get saved from breaking a

2330
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 3: hip twice in a row, you'll happily buy another set

2331
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 3: of airbags.

2332
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 2: That that may be true. Yeah, it's just I'm like,

2333
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 2: the more I think about it's like, oh yeah, it's

2334
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 2: forty bucks months for the text, which costs like a

2335
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 2: tenth of a cent, which will also only have happened

2336
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 2: ideally twice twice in the life of the product, right

2337
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 2: like ideally never, but if you use them, this will

2338
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 2: cost them feat So if you own it for ten years, right,

2339
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 2: and what a you're actually paying for it.

2340
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 3: You have paid several thousand night what was up costs again?

2341
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 2: Eight hundred bucks for eight hundred and then forty a month.

2342
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. And he was like, we're working

2343
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 2: there's no Medicare code for this, yet, we're working on it. Well,

2344
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure that's all they're working on.

2345
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 3: I could see the Medicare case for it, right, if

2346
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 3: you're starting to get inner ear problems, or if you're old,

2347
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:29,640
Speaker 3: brittle or.

2348
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:31,679
Speaker 2: Whatever you balance, I can see the point. I could

2349
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 2: see why Medicare would buy you a set of airbag,

2350
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 2: just not the fucking subscription. Fuck you like, make the

2351
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 2: subscription five bucks a month like that. Even then you're like,

2352
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 2: you're still making insane magin my.

2353
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 3: Guess these things they're manufacturing in the small runs, it's

2354
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 3: costing them more than eight hundred bucks. That they're losing

2355
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 3: money on the eight hundred bucks. And they're like, this

2356
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 3: is how we will make a profit is we'll sell

2357
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 3: a loss leader and.

2358
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,600
Speaker 2: Will sounds like a bad business to me.

2359
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 3: It does well, it sounds like a case for like

2360
01:44:57,880 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 3: public investment in medical technology.

2361
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 2: Well, oh, what a lady, we need more knife drones.

2362
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 3: We need is that what we're calling the person a helicopter?

2363
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 2: Now? No ideal in a perfect world. No, the personal

2364
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,560
Speaker 2: helicopters are very safe and you're very rich, and you

2365
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 2: need one, yes, trying them out. You don't need training,

2366
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 2: there's an no. You're smart, you're rich.

2367
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: G I run it.

2368
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2369
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've built an obstacle course for it. You can

2370
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 3: fly over like lava and acid and broken glass.

2371
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 2: And you'll be you have the lathe of Heaven. You'll

2372
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 2: be the mandate of Heaven. Even sorry, late of Heaven.

2373
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 2: My brain just like, what words do you need? I

2374
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:40,640
Speaker 2: don't fucking know.

2375
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 3: You've just lath that into consistence. That's leg the l

2376
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 3: of Heaven.

2377
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 2: There, Yes, thank you. Look for too much farming in

2378
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 2: earth to see. Yeah, it's I'm actually a little sad

2379
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 2: you don't have more. I'm not saying this is.

2380
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: A criticism, it's like, but it's like, even right, even.

2381
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:00,080
Speaker 2: Last year, it felt like there was more. Yucks, it

2382
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 2: was more.

2383
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 5: Definitely exactly more square footage is taken up by the

2384
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 5: l M rappers and by just and by robotics and

2385
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 5: sometimes combined. Sometimes it's a robot both not both rapper.

2386
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: Did you see the Project Ava thing by.

2387
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:17,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've talked about the wife and I haven't what's

2388
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 5: the I when you see the project everything, I have

2389
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 5: not seen it yet.

2390
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:20,759
Speaker 2: It's this tube.

2391
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 5: And you talk to the Hends like it's like Oscar

2392
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 5: and there or something.

2393
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know the name of the Kira.

2394
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:32,600
Speaker 2: I guess it's the name project It's Project Kira is

2395
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 2: apparently some anime thing. And then you can have a

2396
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 2: guy with tattoos, you can have a woman in a

2397
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 2: business suit. It's like yeah, and it's just like I

2398
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 2: feel like if you try and not that they're selling

2399
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 2: its concept, you try and buy one that should put

2400
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:48,640
Speaker 2: you on a list. So I did.

2401
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 5: I did walk by that that really grows sex robot and.

2402
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 2: Tell me everything.

2403
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 5: I had a hard time looking at it, like I

2404
01:46:58,200 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 5: like walked up to this side and I looking at

2405
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 5: it hands and it just looked like a corpse.

2406
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,839
Speaker 2: It's so simple, what is this? This is a robot

2407
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 2: that looks kind of like a woman and you aumence,

2408
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 2: so we're talking real doll style, yes, okay.

2409
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 5: And allegedly this is something that you can have intercourse with.

2410
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 5: And I walked up to the side and it has

2411
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 5: a very realistic looking skin texture, but its head moves

2412
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 5: like a like a like like an old Disney animatronic

2413
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 5: and it has like an LLLM that's trying to talk

2414
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 5: and move its mouth. And I stood there for about

2415
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 5: ten seconds and I had to leave. I walked around

2416
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 5: the corner and they had the little AI avatar section

2417
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 5: which wasn't working because of the Wi Fi. Nice but

2418
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 5: it's like the AA avatar that you can talk to

2419
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 5: you which is synced to the little like jack Off robot,

2420
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 5: so you can you can you can talk to talk

2421
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 5: to the AI and then it can.

2422
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 2: Jack you off.

2423
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 3: That is a hell of a good cave accessory. Yeah.

2424
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 2: Well, and it also the jack Off robot.

2425
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 5: This company's been around to the twenty fourteen the jet well, no,

2426
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 5: this is this is this is still the Love Sense

2427
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 5: Love Both booth and they've been run for a while.

2428
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 5: Did it did not look that good? But yes, but

2429
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 5: it connects to games as well, connect online gaming.

2430
01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 2: Wow, So so it really is you want to Tetris? Well,

2431
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 2: you know, if they can connect.

2432
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:23,839
Speaker 3: That trying to find a way into making the Tetris

2433
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 3: movie for years, you were going to be like They've

2434
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 3: been trying to fu Tetris for years.

2435
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 2: We never will.

2436
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 3: This is the plot of the Tetris.

2437
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 5: Mean, finally, if they can connect it to like Final

2438
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 5: Fantasy Vin remake and have and and have Cloud, then

2439
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 5: maybe they could have a real product on their hands.

2440
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 2: Well maybe they should do that because Cloud has a

2441
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 2: wonderful cross dressing section and also Cloud completely autistic and no,

2442
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 2: not horny at all. No, I think that whole game

2443
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 2: is trying to avoid having sex. I think I think you.

2444
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 5: I think you would would be a great addition. This

2445
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 5: is so like but like I'm not going to judge

2446
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 5: them for the sex, but whatever. But it's also just

2447
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 5: like the idea that you looked at it and immediately

2448
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:00,479
Speaker 5: faced revulsion. It made me feel and not in like

2449
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,799
Speaker 5: a not just like a Christian moral in a judgment,

2450
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 5: more mostly well a little bit, but most mostly in

2451
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 5: like an uncanny valley way, like if if if I

2452
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 5: was engaged in this thing, it would it would feel

2453
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 5: kind of like necrophilia.

2454
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh god, and realistic skin is not a phrase that

2455
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 2: I like saying sex have been a thing for a while,

2456
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 2: But yes, it's just the.

2457
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 5: Which but for me that increases if it's just a

2458
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,799
Speaker 5: limp object. Then it is a necrophilia thing, but it's simple.

2459
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2460
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 5: Just the fact that it's trying to kind of behave

2461
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 5: human I think makes it makes more makes that reaction,

2462
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 5: that makes that negative Uncanny Valley reaction a bit stronger,

2463
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 5: very strange.

2464
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,639
Speaker 2: And also they put them in odd places. It sounds

2465
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 2: like they don't have a Do they have a sex

2466
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:49,800
Speaker 2: pavilion here? No? Not, it's in like the health tech section.

2467
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 2: Notoriously right, there was a best in show that was

2468
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 2: rescinded for us, Yeah, bustin show.

2469
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a woman sex toy that.

2470
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 1: Was like, not Lioness, it was Laura de Carlo, that's it.

2471
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so they've had this love hate relationship. I

2472
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:06,599
Speaker 3: mean when I was sex timing twenty some years ago,

2473
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 3: this was oh my Bob was always a thing. Well,

2474
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 3: and it was being held at the same time as

2475
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:13,720
Speaker 3: the adult show well yeah, and so people would there

2476
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 3: would be this kind of crossover, and you could go

2477
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 3: to the party sometimes at AVN and stuff.

2478
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 2: You had to see it.

2479
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 1: I had to walk past some of the AVI and

2480
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: like expo ares and the booze to get to a

2481
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Lenovo briefing. One time. Wow rules it was fun.

2482
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:28,760
Speaker 5: Other times I'm so sad. I'm so sad I missed it.

2483
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,760
Speaker 2: I like the idea that they all these staid kind

2484
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:34,559
Speaker 2: of like tech executives seven to walk past the ass

2485
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 2: plus the five thousand have you it was with their

2486
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 2: bums is fine. No, it's just very strange to have

2487
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 2: it like sticking in the middle of like the various

2488
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 2: health tracking l MS powered.

2489
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 1: There was a party.

2490
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 5: Absolutely it was AI or l l M powered because

2491
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 5: it's an l I mean, it's the at least like

2492
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 5: the anime one was more interactable. Even so the Project

2493
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 5: Dave it was, Yeah, I meant the sex Box. No,

2494
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 5: I'm talking about that. Yeah, because it has it has

2495
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,360
Speaker 5: it has it has the AI avatar hooked up to

2496
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 5: the jacking off the machine and yeah, it is.

2497
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 2: It is.

2498
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 3: So this is like in the N E S where

2499
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 3: you had the robot that would pick up the spinning

2500
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 3: top and it would match the action on the screen.

2501
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 3: So you had a physical robot, you had a virtual robot.

2502
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 2: It's just like the original N E S.

2503
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, basically with fucking cuck Hunt and it's like it's

2504
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 5: like it's like right next to like three like smart Watch.

2505
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 2: That was the thing I was saying, that's exactly it's

2506
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 2: like you've got.

2507
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:33,799
Speaker 3: For the smart watch, booth and show boss.

2508
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, just stare at you need you need

2509
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 2: to find us. Yeah, we're right by the Bonamax.

2510
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 3: The CMO really wants pictures of the booth frontage before

2511
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 3: we tear down. Can you make sure you get a

2512
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 3: picture of this? Try not to get the fuck bought

2513
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 3: the shot.

2514
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 1: That's but to your point, Corey, the ct A has

2515
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: struggled with what it wants to do with this sex

2516
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:57,640
Speaker 1: technology because we know that with everything sex cells R

2517
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 1: and sex tech well like advance faster than any other

2518
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 1: kinds of tech. Forget about people with accessibility needs right,

2519
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: and so the CTA knows it needs to cover up

2520
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:08,679
Speaker 1: some space, but it won't give you a dedicated because

2521
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 1: it somehow wants to be family friendly.

2522
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's so ridiculous.

2523
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 2: All of the kids.

2524
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:17,519
Speaker 1: Now we've turned into basically the like games Fares or

2525
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 1: the toy fest. That's true in New.

2526
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 2: York because of all I wish, No I will push back.

2527
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 2: I agree with you, that's not enough.

2528
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:25,080
Speaker 1: If you want to make this a need more fun.

2529
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 2: The goofy dipshit show.

2530
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 1: It should be.

2531
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:28,920
Speaker 2: I would love to. I would love to see some

2532
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 2: useless crap that's just kind of funny.

2533
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,920
Speaker 3: But that's the International Pavilions because they are like the

2534
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 3: Country of Turkey sponsors twenty entrepreneurs to show up. They're

2535
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 3: each weirder than the last. A lot of them are

2536
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 3: really delightful to give them credit. Were not toys.

2537
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 2: They were like, we made a photonic cell, we made

2538
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 2: a solar panel thing, we made specific software for this,

2539
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 2: that and the other, which is awesome. And those people rock.

2540
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,840
Speaker 2: Not fun to talk about a podcast, but very funny

2541
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 2: to look at and be like, oh cool, someone's useful hair.

2542
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 2: And then there is just stuff. It is the listeners

2543
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 2: already like, oh it's I was just saying, there's nothing here.

2544
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 2: You fucking come to this and you do a podcast, asshole.

2545
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 2: But it's just frustrating because I love a dude that

2546
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:14,640
Speaker 2: like having Michael on to show us the clicks was

2547
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 2: nice because it was a thingy and it was so cool,

2548
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 2: and also I really do like it and I love

2549
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 2: my corn. If it was bad, I would have been

2550
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:23,720
Speaker 2: in a real If it was like, actually ship, I

2551
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 2: would have genuinely been sad because I would have had

2552
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 2: to find a way to trash it with.

2553
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:29,560
Speaker 1: I did avoid him for a year after trying the

2554
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 1: first click s keyboard.

2555
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, clicks clicks was that shit? Yaers again

2556
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 5: this year?

2557
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just had Michael on and we liked the

2558
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 2: clicks thing personally the case not for me, but nevertheless,

2559
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,640
Speaker 2: it's like, at least you fucking tried. And the other

2560
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 2: thing that pisses me off is clicks proves that other

2561
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 2: people could just because Android can fit into all sorts

2562
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 2: of things, you could be trying all sorts of weird

2563
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 2: fucking smartphone shit. You could have weird like a tube

2564
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 2: smartphone kinds of tubes that this one when we have

2565
01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:03,560
Speaker 2: a smartphone tube. But no, it's like, how do we

2566
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:06,760
Speaker 2: charge you for using the chat gptap?

2567
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a time where you go to

2568
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 3: like Guanhou and you go to the big mall and

2569
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 3: there'd be the phone that.

2570
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 2: Was shaped like a Marlboro Hell yeah yeah, and that

2571
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 2: ship rocks. We should have more of that. But no,

2572
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 2: it's like it's it feels like the most nihilistic cis ever.

2573
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 1: It's just people being like I feel it gets worse

2574
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,599
Speaker 1: from here. I feel it's just the beginning.

2575
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:28,880
Speaker 2: So my theory is that actually gets better from here,

2576
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 2: but it gets the apocalypse is so much worse because

2577
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 2: if you look at this and you realize how much

2578
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,120
Speaker 2: LM crap there is, yes, then.

2579
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 5: They realize, I think this is a I think this

2580
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 5: is a dip year.

2581
01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this will be because Corey, to your point, Oh,

2582
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 2: the commodity of LMS just because the Chinese models are cheap,

2583
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 2: but doesn't mean that their margin positive. That's also true,

2584
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 2: zupe zgine. I forget which one went went public and

2585
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 2: they like lost. They spent three hundred million dollars in

2586
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 2: or two hundred and something million dollars in six months

2587
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 2: and made twenty seven million dollars in revenue. Not great?

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01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 2: Do that? Yeah, I mean like I could. If you

2589
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 2: want me to lose two undred million dollars call me.

2590
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 3: Well, look, if you have three million dollars and you're

2591
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 3: expecting a twenty some million dollar return, I'll tell you what.

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01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 3: I'll give you a twenty eight million dollar return.

2593
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 2: Nice, how would you do it?

2594
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 3: I will just keep all but twenty eight million, right right?

2595
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 2: Okay, it's no, it's like investing in like vineyards, like yeah, no,

2596
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 2: it's and it's like all of these companies that rely

2597
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 2: on LM's going away because they're going to get more

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01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 2: expensive and it's going to be apocalyptic. I think twenty

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01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 2: twenty seven could be like a really fucked up youf

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01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 2: many reasons, but CEUs twenty twenty seven would be really fun, might.

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01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 3: Be really but usually remind me what I wanted to

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01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 3: talk about, which is Pete Wharton. We were talking about

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01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 3: him yesterday. So Pete Warton is an old school hardware

2604
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 3: hacker specializing in machine learning and finding cool like one

2605
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:48,880
Speaker 3: of the people who was like figuring out that you

2606
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 3: could use GPUs to do machine learning a million years ago.

2607
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 3: And he just demoed on his blog a local AI

2608
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 3: voice agent running on a system on a chip that

2609
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 3: costs less than ten dollars. So he's got an SoC.

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01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 3: It's like an eight dollar SoC.

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01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:04,920
Speaker 2: You can put it in on EVA.

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01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:05,120
Speaker 1: You.

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01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 3: The demo he built was a button you that on

2614
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,400
Speaker 3: your dishwasher and you smack the button and you say,

2615
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 3: my filter is clogged, and it goes through the manual

2616
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 3: and it finds the relatives just on the chip. And

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01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 3: it's all on chip, and we are again total cost

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01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 3: of goods under ten dollars.

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01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 1: He built a whole model for this is his own model. Yeah,

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01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 1: and it all it does is reference and manual.

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01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 2: All that is the kind that is the scale of

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01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:30,440
Speaker 2: task it can do. So he can. That's why it's

2623
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 2: like they could do other kinds of tasks.

2624
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:35,000
Speaker 3: But he's like, I can build you an eight dollar

2625
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 3: SoC with a model running on it that will help

2626
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:41,320
Speaker 3: you build your ikea furniture, whatever. All this kind of

2627
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 3: there's a lot of room at the bottom. Here is

2628
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:45,520
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And he has this other post. When

2629
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:47,600
Speaker 3: I was looking for the post, I found another one,

2630
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:50,240
Speaker 3: which the title says it all. I know we're in

2631
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 3: an AI bubble because nobody wants me crying emoji. So

2632
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 3: here's a guy who does real things that are absolutely sustainable,

2633
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 3: Like could you be revenue positive shipping AI models run

2634
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 3: on hardware that costs less than ten dollars? I bet

2635
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:06,760
Speaker 3: you fucking could. Yeah, right, and and uh and like

2636
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 3: everyone's like, yeah, but the way we raise money is

2637
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 3: from punters who don't understand the technology and whose only

2638
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 3: way of assessing the upside is how much money we

2639
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 3: spend on it. This is the pile of shit and

2640
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,360
Speaker 3: has a pony underneath it, right, And so we have

2641
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 3: to spend a lot of money to prove to them

2642
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 3: that we will make a lot of money. If we

2643
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 3: show them a thing that is.

2644
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:29,640
Speaker 2: Profitable, because it's very cheap to make, they'll be like, well,

2645
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 2: there's no upside. I'm just really worried because even in

2646
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:36,200
Speaker 2: the Indiego go years, Indiegogo was not everything. This is

2647
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 2: like AI has taken everything in people Anyone listening to

2648
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 2: this being like AI is this or that and the

2649
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:43,360
Speaker 2: other like AI is taking over.

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01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 1: No. The thing I can remember that most closely mirrors.

2651
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 1: This year was the year that was about the Internet

2652
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:49,600
Speaker 1: of things.

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01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 7: Everything so get annoying.

2654
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,000
Speaker 1: I was so annoyed. I was just stop saying fucking

2655
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:55,640
Speaker 1: internet of things.

2656
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 2: Oh, what's the term internet of shit? Now? The beacons

2657
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 2: I I beacons one million times. It's like, we will

2658
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:05,840
Speaker 2: put an eye beacon that you're I want to device,

2659
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 2: like fucking Howard will put an ibacon hair Like it's

2660
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 2: fucking ridiculous.

2661
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 1: Where has it gone?

2662
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:15,440
Speaker 2: Nowhere? No, it was just like mad lips like five

2663
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 2: G autonomous IoT.

2664
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 1: But but IoT is is similar in the sense that

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01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 1: like it's also rappers for things. It's also like small

2666
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 1: little gadgets that don't do much and they're all e ways.

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01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 1: Now it doesn't cost as much because of the like

2668
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 1: none of.

2669
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:33,440
Speaker 2: The l because there's not a GPU service running in

2670
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 2: the fucking cloud for it. It's just very unfortunate. I

2671
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:38,760
Speaker 2: think next ces could be kind of barren because of this,

2672
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 2: because it's very like, if there were other options, they'd

2673
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 2: be buying boots and I don't think that are.

2674
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 1: Or maybe they were like priced out because there was

2675
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:47,840
Speaker 1: so much AI.

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01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 2: That's very possible, But the thing is it didn't. It

2677
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:52,560
Speaker 2: looked kind of sparse too, like there was a lot

2678
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 2: more walking room than ever I feel like.

2679
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 3: And three after the dotcom crash was pretty good. This

2680
01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 3: is actually how was it. It was full of people

2681
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:05,040
Speaker 3: doing weird and interesting things, none of which made a mark,

2682
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:08,440
Speaker 3: I think, but it was it was a time in

2683
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 3: which if you came to see us, it was because

2684
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 3: you had done something very improbable in a time in

2685
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 3: which there was no tech money.

2686
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 2: That might be twenty twenty seven for real though, because

2687
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:23,080
Speaker 2: even like LG with this kloid robot, it's like, hey,

2688
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 2: check this out, we're doing this thing. Well, we're not

2689
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 2: doing this thing, and you may be wondering if it

2690
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 2: does the thing we're talking about. It doesn't, but it's

2691
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 2: very slow at it and why do you want this? Well,

2692
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:34,920
Speaker 2: you can't have it.

2693
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:37,680
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. When you say it's bars,

2694
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 1: do you mean specifically some wholesome booth orp of.

2695
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 2: The Expost Center was fucking empty? And I don't just

2696
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,040
Speaker 2: mean like it's the last day's I mean like there

2697
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 2: were just less things. There was less density. The usual

2698
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 2: dildo battery security camera area was really not present in

2699
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 2: the main hall in the same way. In fact, I

2700
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:58,400
Speaker 2: found way more of those top side in a way

2701
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 2: that like I wouldn't usually. It's just very strange and

2702
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:05,040
Speaker 2: I think there's a strain on venture capital money and money.

2703
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 2: Well south by Southwest last year the trade floor was

2704
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:10,240
Speaker 2: a quarter of the size. Wow, and there was an

2705
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:15,200
Speaker 2: entire row that was just massage guns. I saw. I

2706
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 2: saw an area of the Palazza way gambling would usually

2707
02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:19,680
Speaker 2: happen that was completely empty.

2708
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:24,680
Speaker 3: That small worrying teapot, Yeah, ropes around it and they're

2709
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 3: like vacuuming.

2710
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:26,760
Speaker 7: I wondered.

2711
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:29,480
Speaker 1: The usually I ask you is the reason I asked

2712
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:33,160
Speaker 1: you is because the West Hall and the LVCC Central

2713
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 1: Hall that this whole facelift. I don't know, if you

2714
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:39,280
Speaker 1: see the Central Hall right this year, does it look different?

2715
02:00:39,320 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 1: I didd so different from last year. It is still

2716
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:43,840
Speaker 1: kind of a slot. But because Central Hall is where

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02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:47,280
Speaker 1: Samsung and LG used to have their gigantic but right

2718
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:49,160
Speaker 1: Samsung isn't there is doing the wind, So I think

2719
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 1: that contributes to feeling like there's not that much going

2720
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:54,400
Speaker 1: on in the convention spaces, especially since Central Hall now

2721
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:57,960
Speaker 1: too with the sort of remodel, looks much bigger and

2722
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:01,480
Speaker 1: so you know, consequently like emptier and then has a

2723
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 1: lot more like glass windows light letting in light, which

2724
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:04,520
Speaker 1: I love.

2725
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:05,080
Speaker 2: It's nice.

2726
02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:07,640
Speaker 1: It's nice, but then also makes you feel like you

2727
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,160
Speaker 1: can see daylight, and therefore it doesn't feel as packed

2728
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:11,080
Speaker 1: and crowded and like that.

2729
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:13,000
Speaker 2: And on top of the fact that a lot of

2730
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:14,440
Speaker 2: the things are just like gone.

2731
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:16,280
Speaker 1: The ELG wall display.

2732
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:19,520
Speaker 2: Was so muted this I know, usually there's like this,

2733
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:22,800
Speaker 2: like last year we have that giant transparent motherfucker, and

2734
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:28,200
Speaker 2: I like the year with the big like curved spectacle.

2735
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:31,800
Speaker 2: Unless you're a tractor, there's none. It's just I feel

2736
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:34,839
Speaker 2: like I feel like we're years into just the Hubris

2737
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:36,880
Speaker 2: Fest where it's just like, what if we didn't provide

2738
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 2: anything useful and jump to the latest trend. It's a shame.

2739
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:42,440
Speaker 2: And as we come to the end of this first

2740
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:45,080
Speaker 2: two hour block, I will just say I want to

2741
02:01:45,120 --> 02:01:47,280
Speaker 2: find cool stuff. And when we're back next year, which

2742
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:49,720
Speaker 2: we will be, I hope we find more of it.

2743
02:01:49,880 --> 02:01:52,600
Speaker 2: And if you were someone with the CEA, when you're

2744
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:55,680
Speaker 2: someone putting stuff here, please think of actual people because

2745
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:59,200
Speaker 2: it's getting a little sad. But final words, Shelling, what

2746
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 2: one is your takeaway from this CS in general? Big question?

2747
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:05,360
Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, I thought I had something to say and

2748
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:07,000
Speaker 1: it's odd on my brain now, so I think I've

2749
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:08,440
Speaker 1: run out of a RAM which everyone was in.

2750
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:10,920
Speaker 2: Sorrying, well, everyone's running out of the Divendra was just

2751
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:13,240
Speaker 2: on talking about the RAM crisis. But thank you for

2752
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:15,360
Speaker 2: joining us, Thank you for having so many Engadget people,

2753
02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:18,240
Speaker 2: and we've had we had Christo and oh it's fucking

2754
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 2: great to like actually talk about consumer electronics. And we've

2755
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:23,000
Speaker 2: of course had Garrison Davis and Mick could happen here.

2756
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:25,480
Speaker 2: Thank you Garrison of course, and Corey Doctor will be

2757
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:26,920
Speaker 2: joining us for the next episode as well.

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02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 3: Excellent.

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02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:29,440
Speaker 2: Looking forward to it and I am at Zetron. You

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