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Speaker 1: It feels like election season.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our three of the Clay and Buck Show.

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Speaker 1: Biden and Trump debating next month and September as of today,

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Speaker 1: subject to well, you know, fortune and whether things actually

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Speaker 1: go the way they're supposed to and the negotiations over.

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Speaker 1: But it looks like it's gonna happen because you have

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Speaker 1: at least initial agreement from both sides as to the dates.

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Speaker 1: I think Trump wants an additional debate now for Fox

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Speaker 1: News to carry one in October certainly makes sense to me.

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Speaker 1: Do we over on the View? Do we have joy? Baja,

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Speaker 1: We've got joy? Bea haa. She wanted to weigh in

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Speaker 1: on this with Clay. This is kind of funny. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is the problem with reacting to live news, and

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Speaker 1: it happens. You know, it can happen to any of us.

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure it happens a lot more at the view,

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Speaker 1: where you just take a stand on something real fast

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Speaker 1: and then events catch up to you play it.

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Speaker 3: Biden should have projected that he wants no audience and

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Speaker 3: the moment, I think I think that Santam should have

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Speaker 3: said to the two of them, this is the debate.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're not.

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Speaker 3: Keeping that we're not telling you the works, and also

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Speaker 3: no audience. An audience just distracts everybody. Yes, well that's

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Speaker 3: what that's happening, so it'll be into So Biden.

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Speaker 1: Needed to get out in front of it.

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Speaker 2: I would actually disagree with Joy and say he had

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Speaker 2: to project that because if they arranged it for the

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Speaker 2: best TV moment we've opened in those times.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't serve.

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Speaker 3: But it gives him a way to get out of

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Speaker 3: it by saying, look, I'm not doing you that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know he's also it's he agreed to the

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Speaker 1: thing that you said. He won't even do. It's just

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Speaker 1: you know, everyone's kind of just making noise over there

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Speaker 1: about what's going on here. They don't know what to

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Speaker 1: make of this because it's a lot of information came

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Speaker 1: out very quickly on it. Just to review briefly, clay

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Speaker 1: for everybody, because we know, uh, some didn't hear us

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Speaker 1: in the first hours, why they should go and on

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app and listen to it on demand. But

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Speaker 1: there are two debates agreed to in principal at least

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Speaker 1: Trump Biden June twenty seventh and September something or other.

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Speaker 1: September tenth on a September ten.

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Speaker 2: June twenty seventh on CNN, and Trump has proposed that

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Speaker 2: there be an October second Fox.

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Speaker 1: News debate and then the important conditions so far are

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Speaker 1: no audio. These are the requests from Biden, no audience,

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Speaker 1: no interruption, which is, you know, don't be a baby,

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Speaker 1: you're going to interrupt each other. I think the only

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Speaker 1: thing that prevents people from interrupting more than they do

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Speaker 1: is how the audit, how they think the audience will

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Speaker 1: perceive it. No RFK Junior. That's interesting. That's an interesting one,

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Speaker 1: especially given that this is happening in June, before you

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Speaker 1: even have official party nominees. This is now raising the

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Speaker 1: why are the conventions as late as they are and

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Speaker 1: what is a convention even mean if you're going to

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Speaker 1: have presidential debates before the parties officially decide who's going

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Speaker 1: to be in the presidential debates, as the nominees for

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Speaker 1: the various parties, CBS, ABCCN N or Telemundo anchors, that's

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Speaker 1: a Biden thing, And yeah, those are the main ones.

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Speaker 1: But the no RFK junior, no audience, audience. I will

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Speaker 1: say that one doesn't that one doesn't bother me I

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Speaker 1: don't think that you need to have an audience for

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Speaker 1: these things. I think the audience sometimes does distract. I

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Speaker 1: don't really care to hear booze or yea's or hisses

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Speaker 1: or whatever. It's better TV, though I understand it's better

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Speaker 1: TV to have an audience for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's like the laugh track back in the day of sitcoms.

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Speaker 2: I think audiences make particular sense when you might actually

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Speaker 2: take questions, which is something that it doesn't sound like

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Speaker 2: is going to happen here. In other words, at town

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Speaker 2: hall style format, where now the challenge there is you

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Speaker 2: are pre selecting what the questions are. It's not as

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Speaker 2: if you just have somebody standing up that you don't

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Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of a rig job and

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Speaker 2: But to me, I just come back to what my

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Speaker 2: initial reaction was, and I'm even more convinced of it

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Speaker 2: now that it's been a couple hours since this came out.

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Speaker 2: I think this is desperation from Biden. Well, they have

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Speaker 2: spent tens of millions of dollars in the battleground states.

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Speaker 2: He's trailing, the numbers aren't moving. Whatever balance he got

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Speaker 2: from the State of the Union was very short.

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Speaker 2: And I think they're terrified potentially that, given the RNC

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Speaker 2: a good VP selection and delivers a decent address, by

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Speaker 2: the time the Democrats get up to bat so to speak,

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Speaker 2: in mid to late August, they could be down really, really, substantially,

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Speaker 1: And this is where I think you can point to

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Speaker 1: the polls as the indicators of perception. And when you

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Speaker 1: have Joe Scarborough, get ready for this, everybody, This is

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Speaker 1: cut forward. Joe Scarborough freaking out about how the New

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Speaker 1: York Times Siena poll is slanted toward Donald Trump. Listen

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Speaker 1: to this.

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Speaker 5: The New York Times Sienna pol traditionally has consistently slanted

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Speaker 5: toward Donald Trump. And what's so funny is the Times

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Speaker 5: will release their polls, Liberals will run around with their

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Speaker 5: hair on fire for about a month, right, and then

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Speaker 5: like three days later, polls will come out that will

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Speaker 5: show a deadlock race.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: There's if anybody, By the way, if anybody wants, if

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Speaker 5: anybody wants to bet me, I can't bet.

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Speaker 1: I don't bet.

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Speaker 5: Betting's for stupid, but if I were a better and

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Speaker 5: if somebody wanted to give me eleven or twelve points

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Speaker 5: and Biden in Nevada, come on, come on, That race

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Speaker 5: is always close, and Democrats always win the close races

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Speaker 5: except for the governor.

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Speaker 1: If you're arguing Clay that the New York Times is

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Speaker 1: to slant it toward the Republican and the polls, you've

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Speaker 1: got a problem. Yeah, and I give credit here to

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Speaker 1: Tom Bevin, who's been on the show before. He's at

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Speaker 1: Real Clear Politics, which does a really good job of

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Speaker 1: collating all the polls. If you want one site to

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Speaker 1: be following, Real Clear Politics will update them daily. He's

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Speaker 1: quoting Joe Scarborough, and Scarborough says New York Times SIENA

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Speaker 1: poll traditionally has consistently slanted towards Trump. He says, that's

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Speaker 1: I'm reading from his tweet. That's flatly untrue.

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Speaker 2: The final New York Times polls in twenty twenty overestimated

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Speaker 2: Biden's support in every swing state by an average of

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Speaker 2: nearly five percent. Their final poll in Wisconsin was Biden

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Speaker 2: gave Joe Scarborough that talking point, and he didn't do

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Speaker 2: the research himself. But that is actually fascinating. So the

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Speaker 2: New York Times poll is actually historically been the exact

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Speaker 2: opposite of what Joe Scarborough said. It has tended to

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Speaker 2: exaggerate anti Trump support and underrate Trump support. So I

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Speaker 2: think this is a really significant factor here because it

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Speaker 2: speaks to how desperate they are.

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Speaker 1: Let me hit you with these bucks.

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Speaker 2: Final New York Times poll twenty twenty, they had Biden

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Speaker 2: winning Iowa by three. I think Trump ended up winning

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Speaker 2: by ten. They had Ohio Biden winning by one. I

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Speaker 2: believe Trump won by seven or eight. North Carolina they

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Speaker 2: had Biden winning by three. Trump won comfortably there or

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Speaker 2: closely there but by a point or two. And in

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Speaker 2: Florida they had Biden winning by three. They also had

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Speaker 2: Biden plus nine in their final national poll. Biden lost

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Speaker 2: all four of those states.

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Speaker 1: Here's the continuation of that discussion over on Morning Joe,

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Speaker 1: which I do think is the the one show that

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Speaker 1: Democrats are watching now you know how Rush used to do,

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Speaker 1: you know, show prep for the rest of the media

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Speaker 1: on the right. Yes, the one, the one show that

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Speaker 1: I think sets the tone for the Democrat Biden comies

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Speaker 1: is Morning Joe CNN. CNN no longer has a tent pole,

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Speaker 1: over there mourning Joe, and they know it, and so

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Speaker 1: they've seized this. That's very opportunistic. They have to be

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Speaker 1: the heart of Bidenism. And here's how they're trying to

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Speaker 1: explain the very bad polls for Bidenism. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: this is not LUs.

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to carry water for the New York

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Speaker 7: Times or for the methodology of this poll. I'll keep

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Speaker 7: going back to a thing that I try to say

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Speaker 7: every time we talk about these things, which is that

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Speaker 7: I'm really interested and I know you know this. It's like,

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Speaker 7: where do the polls talking as directionally about the race.

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Speaker 5: I understand that there's a difference though with the New

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Speaker 5: York Time Siena poll, and you know this, it's given

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Speaker 5: disproportionate impact papers this year, this cycle, it is skewed

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Speaker 5: wildly and Donald Trump's direction hold on and the New

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Speaker 7: Dozen at a time, and I and what I'm trying

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Speaker 7: to focus on is what I think people should pay

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Speaker 7: attention to. But what I'm trying to focus on is

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Speaker 7: New York Times right now is actively shaping the election cycles.

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Speaker 7: Where this poll comes out on a Sunday and on Monday.

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Speaker 1: People go oh, and I heard it, and.

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Speaker 5: I'm sitting there going, oh, don't be so stupid. That's

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Speaker 5: why we're doing this.

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Speaker 1: So what hold on a second, hold on.

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Speaker 5: Hold on? What I hear is after these Siena polls

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Speaker 5: come out every time New Yon Times poll is, oh, well,

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Speaker 5: everything that Joe Biden's done since the State of the

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Speaker 5: Union address, all of these all this money that he's

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Speaker 1: Not Clay Morning. Joe is going bag Dad Bob here.

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Speaker 2: That is again, I read you the actual data on

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Speaker 2: the New York Times polls. They have consistently exaggerated Biden's

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Speaker 2: support and denigrated that is, knocked down Trump support relative

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Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty election. Now, if you want to

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Speaker 2: argue they're not accurate in twenty twenty four, that's an

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Speaker 2: argument you can make. The team that's losing the side

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Speaker 2: that's losing always argues the polls.

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Speaker 1: Are inaccurate, but also we have to not allow them to.

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Speaker 1: This is going to sound decontextualize. I know that sounds

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Speaker 1: like I'm in some philosophy one on one class with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of purple haired schizo Democrats around me. But

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Speaker 1: we can allow them to take out of the current

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Speaker 1: context that Trump is ahead with these numbers. Let's just

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Speaker 1: let's assume that what morning Joe or meaning Joe Scarborough

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Speaker 1: that the New York Times is willing to shape the

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Speaker 1: electorate against Biden, to betray Biden for clicks. I don't

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Speaker 1: think Joe has spent five minutes in the New York

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Speaker 1: Times newsroom or knows anything about what's going on over there,

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Speaker 1: because they are true believers in the Democrat cause. But

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Speaker 1: just put all that aside for a second. The fact

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Speaker 1: that Trump is facing is rather just in one criminal

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Speaker 1: trial actively right now, the presidential candidate is facing thirty

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Speaker 1: four felonies as a matter of law in New York,

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Speaker 1: having to argue that Democrat polsters are favorable to Trump

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Speaker 1: because the numbers are so wildly bad for Biden. At

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Speaker 1: this point, this has got to be a moment of

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Speaker 1: unreality for the Democrat media. Did you see what I

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Speaker 1: mean that they're in this position given what's going on

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Speaker 1: with Trump. I don't think they can mentally or emotionally

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Speaker 2: I think it's also important to remember that I think

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Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough is acting out for Joe Biden, who watches

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Speaker 1: You could hear Mika like trying to call them down.

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Speaker 2: That's what all the gambling markets reflect. The money is

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We've been

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Speaker 1: It is. It is a blatant, absurd weaponization of law

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Speaker 1: in an election year ambush. It's an October surprise dirty

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Speaker 1: But there's another trial that's going to be starting soon

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Speaker 2: President has expressed fear his son may serve time in prison.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody out there expects that he would pardon him.

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Speaker 2: But June third. June third, the case is expected to

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Speaker 1: And this is a quote.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: Here is my on how Biden removes himself from the

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Speaker 1: I've given you the out. We've already established it's gonna

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Speaker 1: He's gonna Hunter is not going to spend a day

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, well, the tax evasion he deserves to go

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Speaker 1: But I know, I'm I'm gonna to make some people

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Speaker 1: don't throw you in prison for tax stuff. They usually

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Speaker 1: make you pay huge fines, but don't Biden's top. I

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Speaker 1: think our standard for it's amazing. You know, you look

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Speaker 1: at the standards for what gets you thrown into prison

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Speaker 1: this country. Do you see that the illegals who jumped

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Speaker 1: the police officer so they're near illegally and they they

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Speaker 1: gang beat up a cop in New York, their plea

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Speaker 1: deals are one year. We're all getting one years for

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Speaker 1: gang assault effectively of a police officer, they're getting one year.

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Speaker 1: People in January sixth had to spend eighteen months in

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Speaker 1: solitary before they could even get sentenced to their four

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Speaker 1: years in federal prison. What you put, what you take

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Speaker 1: people's freedom away for, and what you don't, goes to

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Speaker 1: the heart of whether a society is just or not.

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Speaker 1: We lock people up for trash and we let people

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Speaker 1: go for heinous stuff all the time.

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Speaker 2: In general, I agree that we should be focused on

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Speaker 2: violent criminal perpetrators as opposed to a less violent crime.

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Speaker 2: Is a good example in Washington, d C. Tying in

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Speaker 2: with the Jan six protesters. They just had a guy

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Speaker 2: fire I think twenty six shots at a car, managed

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Speaker 2: not to kill anybody. They let him out of jail

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Speaker 2: without even having to post bail.

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Speaker 1: I believe. I mean, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: But my point on the Hunter Biden situation, I think

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Speaker 2: one aspect of this that you have to contemplate what

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Speaker 2: is Hunter? What is Joe Biden's legacy if he loses

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Speaker 2: to Donald.

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Speaker 1: Trump in twenty twenty four, If.

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Speaker 2: You're eighty two, I would suspect that you think a

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Speaker 2: lot about your legacy and what history will say about you.

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Speaker 2: And I understand that Biden's people are saying, oh, the

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Speaker 2: polls are skewed, We're actually winning this thing, all those aspects.

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Speaker 2: But if Trump were to come back buck and he

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Speaker 2: were to kick Joe Biden's ass in a rematch, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what would history say about Biden if he lost in

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Speaker 2: twenty four comfortably, like, not particularly close? Versus if he said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm eighty two. For the betterment of

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Speaker 2: the country, I'm going to step down and allow somebody

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Speaker 2: else to run it.

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Speaker 1: You I have to say, you apply your rationality and

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Speaker 1: decency to situations that I think are not going to

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Speaker 1: bring either one into you know you, we used to

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Speaker 1: call it in the CIA, would call this mirror imaging,

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Speaker 1: where you think that somebody else is going to do

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Speaker 1: what you would do in that situation. Yeah, you gotta

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Speaker 1: think like a ruthless comedy Clay. You got to get

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Speaker 1: in the ruthless commy mode on this. What makes you

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Speaker 1: think Biden and his handlers, under any circumstances will publicly

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Speaker 1: accept in the you know, general way that they can

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has won. I mean, yeah, they might

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Speaker 1: seed power, but they're going to say he cheated if

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Speaker 1: he wins, you know what I mean. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're going to let this go to that.

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Speaker 2: But Biden, right now, if you are, I do think

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Speaker 2: the way that you craft a story about yourself in

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Speaker 2: his head to the extent that it works. Biden has

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Speaker 2: convinced himself that he saved America by beating Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, and that he saved millions of lives

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Speaker 2: by putting out the COVID shot, and that he has

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Speaker 2: been the most consequential first term president since FDR. I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you that's what he sees when he sees and

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Speaker 2: looks in the mirror to the context that he actually

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Speaker 2: has a functional brain. If Trump comes back and kicks

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Speaker 2: his ass, then what he's gonna see and be forced

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Speaker 2: to confront is the reality that I think is true,

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Speaker 2: which is he's an accidental president who hid in his

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Speaker 2: basement and used COVID fear and cheating and rigging the

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Speaker 2: election to narrowly win in twenty twenty and then deliver

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Speaker 2: it the single worst term in office, one term since

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Speaker 2: James Buchanan. That's what I think the argument could become.

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Speaker 2: And so if you step back and you say, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I'm too old for the betterment of democracy.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna step down and somebody younger. It's time for

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Speaker 2: a new generation. And then if they lose, nobody blames

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Speaker 2: Biden Clay. If he steps down, they're guaranteeing a loss.

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Speaker 1: He can't. This is the whole point. He well, I

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Speaker 1: think I think this is Michelle Obama would be the

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Speaker 1: would be the relief. Oh my god, no more Michelle.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get a buzzer in a band. No more

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Speaker 1: of this Michelle Obama talk. How she's going to be

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Speaker 1: the It's not going send me all your emails. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to all of you. I'm going to collid all.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep them all on a list. And when

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Speaker 1: Biden takes the stage and does his whole acceptance of

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Speaker 1: the DNC official nomination. I'm gonna apply to all of you,

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Speaker 1: where's my steak? Where's my steak? It will not be

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Speaker 1: Michelle Obama. This is crazy talk that gets Eric's.

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Speaker 2: The only reason it makes sense is that Coablo will

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Speaker 2: get beat wars and I don't think they're gonna lead

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Speaker 2: her over the middle and just get e wrecked. Gavin

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Speaker 2: Newsom had his opportunity to kind of wow people, and

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Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis mopped the floor with him.

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Speaker 1: JB.

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Speaker 2: Pritzker is too fat and too rich to combo. Don't

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Speaker 2: governor of Illinois too rich? If he were just fat

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Speaker 2: and not rich, maybe I think they might try to

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Speaker 2: draft Josh Shapiro, who seems to be a well liked

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Speaker 2: governor of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: With the Michigan Democrat voters that they're worried about, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you that.

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Speaker 2: And then they throw Gretchen Whitmer in and it's just

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Speaker 2: a desperate Midwest hell Mary. If they couldn't get Michelle Obama,

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Speaker 2: because they would have two popular governors in the Big ten,

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Speaker 2: and they say we're gonna win there. I think this

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Speaker 2: June twenty seventh is the trial balloon. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be Biden.

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Speaker 1: They think after Biden takes the stage, it creates the

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Speaker 1: moment for the new narrative to turn on all the

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Speaker 1: machinery to I think they've been playing a little bit

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Speaker 1: of possum. I think there. I think there's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of oh, you know, what are we gonna do

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Speaker 1: with Joe Biden. They're they're putting him out in front.

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Speaker 1: The numbers look bad right now. The drum beat that

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Speaker 1: they're going to have on the airwaves where they needed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't know if it's going to

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Speaker 1: be enough for them or not, but I think that

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Speaker 1: that turns into their plan. They think they can the

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Speaker 1: whole summer. When was the last time you saw any

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Speaker 1: January six footage on the TV? You think that's it?

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Speaker 1: That's not working.

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Speaker 2: No, I think they they they trial ballooned the State

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Speaker 2: of the Union and Biden was about as good as

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Speaker 2: he could be at the State of the Union, and

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Speaker 2: at last did for about three weeks, and then everybody

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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he's still a decrepit dementia red oled

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Speaker 1: You made me feel good, Clay about the home team's

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Speaker 1: prospects going into the game, but the visiting team pays

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Speaker 1: off the reps, fights dirty, and spits in people's faces

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Speaker 1: when no one's paying attention. So I just refuse to

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Finishing up

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Speaker 2: the Wednesday edition of the program. Appreciate all of you

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Speaker 2: hanging out with us. We have got a clip that

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Speaker 2: I want to play for Buck. This is Harrison Butker,

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Speaker 2: who is the Kansas City chiefs Kicker. He was speaking

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Speaker 2: at a recent event, a Catholic graduation for a college

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Speaker 2: and he talked about women and the idea of being

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Speaker 2: homemakers based on his own success in life. It has

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Speaker 2: blown up into a major controversy. Buck has not heard it.

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Speaker 2: Let's play cut twenty nine.

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Speaker 9: I want to speak directly to you briefly because I

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Speaker 9: think it is you, the women who have had the

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Speaker 9: most diabolical lives told to you. How many of you

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Speaker 9: are sitting here now about to cross this stage and

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Speaker 9: are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are

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Speaker 9: going to get in your career. Some of you may

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Speaker 9: go on to lead successful careers in the world, but

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Speaker 9: I would venture to guess that the majority of you

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Speaker 9: will bring into this world. I can tell you that

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Speaker 9: my beautiful wife, Isabelle would be the first to say

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Speaker 9: that her life truly started when she began living her

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Speaker 9: vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm on

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Speaker 9: this stage today and able to be the man I

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Speaker 9: am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation.

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Speaker 9: I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God has given me.

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Speaker 9: But it cannot be overstated that all of my success

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Speaker 9: is made possible because a girl I met in band

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Speaker 9: class back in middle school would convert to the faith,

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Speaker 9: become my wife, and embrace one of the most important

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Speaker 9: titles of all.

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Speaker 1: Holemaker sounds great contract. I love it. Ten out of ten,

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Speaker 1: ten out of ten to you.

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Speaker 2: He was speaking at the Benedictine College at Atchetson, Kansas.

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Speaker 2: If I messed any of that up, I'm not familiar.

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Speaker 1: I'll say, first of all, I mean, this is so

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Speaker 1: important and there need to be far more people that

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Speaker 1: are talking about this. I career switched out of the

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Speaker 1: CIA into media, and I did so now in retrospect

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Speaker 1: at the expense of starting a family earlier. And that's

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Speaker 1: a tough call, and I would not recommend it for

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Speaker 1: most people. I would recommend people getting married younger and

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Speaker 1: starting their families younger. I would not do what's very

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Speaker 1: normal here in New York City, which is push as

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Speaker 1: hard as you can until forty and then turn around

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Speaker 1: and build your life as you want it then, because honestly,

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Speaker 1: whether you make VP at Goldman or you make partner

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Speaker 1: at the law firm or whatever, it's just not going

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Speaker 1: to matter in the end. Your kids are your kids,

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Speaker 1: your family, your loved ones, your wife, your husband. That's

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Speaker 1: what's going to matter in the end. And I already

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Speaker 1: know that that's well said by you. I give credit

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Speaker 1: to Harrison Bucker here because I know so many of

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Speaker 1: you out there are raising families. I became a dad

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Speaker 1: at twenty eight. To your point, Buck, I was relatively young,

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Speaker 1: which is like, in New York City terms, might as

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Speaker 1: well be high school age, Like that's really young. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was super young to become a dad, relatively speaking,

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Speaker 1: especially for somebody who stayed in school till twenty five

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Speaker 1: to become a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: It's the right decision. I'm so glad that I did it,

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Speaker 2: but it had a lot of struggles. We didn't have

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Speaker 2: a lot of money. My wife and I. Early in

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Speaker 2: our life, we were spending more money on childcare than

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Speaker 2: we would have had to pay for tuition. And our

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Speaker 2: life got a lot better when we had the ability

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Speaker 2: to have one parent stay at home. It can be

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Speaker 2: the dad or the mom, but that is ideal, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's really what Harrison Bucker's just talking about.

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Speaker 1: Why are they mad at it? That's a question. Crazy

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Speaker 1: dud