1 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Y'all welcome to crime around up. Do we have a 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: topic today? It ain't what you're thinking, So just get ready, 3 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: y'all gonna get educated by the one and only Joshua 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Schiff Or how are you doing, honeymoon? 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: They're better only be one of me because I take 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: up a lot of space and I'm loud and I 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: make a lot of heat. 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Parents, there is only one of you, because you know 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: the Good Lord was showing off. 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Baby. All of creation is unique and we should love 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: every little bit of it. Amen, it is good to 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: be here. Yeah, and I tell you you y'all are 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: in for a treat. Name, image and likeness is a 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: little weird. 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Matt, hold on, don't get don't get ahead of me. 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: Don't get ahead of me. I gotta I got this up. 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: You know I'm Southern. Y'all forget he said that, because 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: here's what I wanted to tell you, Joshua. My mother, 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: who was a genius in every sense of the word, 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: and she was a teacher, school teacher. She had the 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: unique ability to see somebody one time, whether it was 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: a concert, movie, whatever, and even if it was a 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: whole cast of people, could pinpoint one person and say 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: they are going to be a star. And she was right. 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: When we were little and Michael Jackson was a little kid, 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 1: all those brothers around him, she pointed to that child 27 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: and said, he is going to be a star. She 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: did it over and over and over. We were at 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: some little mountain festival in the middle of nowhere, and 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: this girl was singing, and she turned right to us 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: and said, y'all pay attention to her name. She's going 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: to be a huge star. Turned out to be the juds, 33 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: over and over and over. So I used to joke 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: with her because when Friends first came out, she pointed 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: to Jennifer Anderston, even though all these other people were there. 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: She said that one is going to be in the movies. 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: So I used to tell her, I wish I could 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: buy stock in people, because you would make me rich man. 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: Oh, you're too so, And I tell you, though you're 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: right about some people just have whatever that thing is. 41 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: It reminds me of Bill Clinton. Was a guy walked 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: into a room. You couldn't not stare at him, Jarry, 43 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: he couldn't ignore Johnny Cochran. You know, Johnny Cochran walked 44 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: into a room. It didn't matter if you didn't know 45 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: who he was. The presence like it infiltrate. It was 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: like it was like a gas bomb explosion and everybody 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: was just breathing in the fumes that Johnny Cochrane and 48 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: his charisma was in that room. 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you something, if you didn't 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: know who he was, you would find yourself asking other 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: people who is that because you instinctively knew he was somebody. 52 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: Yep. And that's just a gift that some people. That's 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: part of the makeup. You know, everybody's got, uh some 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: gifts and some decreations. Is not fair. As I tell people, 55 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: God blessed me with really strong teeth. I have excellent teeth, 56 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: the eyes and the hair. That there was there was 57 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: a trade off somewhere, there was when they were building 58 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: the character sheet. But uh no, the star thing's important. 59 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: And that's why I kind of was tickled when we 60 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: were talking about what to talk about this week and 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: and it was it was that Robin Williams article. And 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: for those of y'all that that that don't know about this. 63 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: So I I on social media. I do a little 64 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: bit of this and net but really Twitter is just 65 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: the easiest for me and I know lots of people 66 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: don't like it, and I don't like it at times 67 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: as well. It is a sewer. It is absolutely the 68 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: most unfiltered awfulness of America. But it's also the source 69 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: for a bunch of really legitimate primary sources. So you 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: put up with the garbage to get the good stuff. 71 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: And there was this great post about Robin Williams's daughter 72 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: and how bereft she was and how she felt just 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: awful because her father, who is one of the most 74 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: legendary comedians ever. If you have not laughed at Robin 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 2: Williams's joke show special movie, I don't know what's wrong 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: with you. He was as funny as you get. And 77 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: they are using his image and this AI and this 78 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: is a gentleman that very sadly killed himself. Just think 79 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: about that. To wake up one day and see your 80 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: loved one, your person who you already share with the 81 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: whole world, and their appearance is false. It's a fraud. 82 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: It's a trick, and it's a trick that hold on 83 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: anybody can pull. I can sit right here, Cheryl, and 84 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: bring up an image generator and take a picture, you 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 2: feed it in and have all kinds of media. 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: It's scary. I mean it's it's great. I think it's 87 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: going to help a lot. I think people are going 88 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: to be able to do some wonderful things. That anything 89 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: that can be used can be misused. 90 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And this name, image, likeness is the term that 91 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: the marketplace kind of came up with to talk about 92 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: how we're going to regulate you, the picture of you 93 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: and what rights you have to your name, your image, 94 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: and your likeness. Now, of course, because lawyers got involved, 95 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: we had to formalize it. And really this comes into 96 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: play that everybody knows about is in the NCAA and 97 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: these college kids because the name, image and likeness is 98 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: an asset they have that dramatically increases in value of 99 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: the moment they earn their way onto a college sports team. 100 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, Caitlin Clark. Most people can't 101 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: name five other female basketball players at the collegiate level, 102 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: but they knew her. 103 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: And that's because she worked really hard. 104 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Because she worked really hard, and she was phenomenal from 105 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: the logo. 106 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: And you own you, I own me, I own Josh Shiffer, 107 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: I look like Josh? What I look like? I got 108 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: to name Josh Shiffer, even though I do know a 109 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: couple of the other Josh Schiffer's out there. One of 110 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: them was a very interesting doctor. But I have rights 111 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: of that, and those rights obviously, when you have a right, 112 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: it can be abused and broken. That's kind of the 113 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: definition of a right, as if it's something that someone 114 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: could take away or impinge. And what happens with your 115 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: image and how that's used has blown up into this 116 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: job litigation universe that we're going to see more of 117 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: in true crime because what's happening now is the value 118 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: of the name, image, and likeness of stakeholders in the 119 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: justice system. That name, image, and likeness increased in value 120 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: due to their exposure. And I don't care if it's 121 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: a criminal who got locked up and sent to prison 122 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: for the rest of their life. I don't care if 123 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: it's a victim. I don't care if it's a witness, 124 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't care if it's a judge. Their name, image, 125 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: and likeness due to their participation in public justice has 126 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: increased in value somewhere. And what are we going to 127 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: do about that? Because I need to make sure and 128 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: our nation needs to make sure that we get the 129 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: news and information that the First Amendment promises us. But 130 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: there's got to be lines where I should not be 131 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: able to or there should be some remedy if I 132 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: take someone's image and misappropriate ate it and use it 133 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: for negative things. But with the anonymousness of the internet, 134 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: good luck, And. 135 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: It's one of those things, how do you stop it? Like, 136 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: once it's out there and people have shared it four 137 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety seven billion times, it's out there forever. 138 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: If it happened on the Internet, someone's going to read 139 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: it in court one day. And that's literally what we 140 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: telp do. Not put it on an email unless you 141 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: want to read it. Oh, Carrie, you said it's confidential. 142 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 2: I email lots of confidential things. I've got confidential relationships 143 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: by the bucket load. Every one of them is only 144 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: as strong as the weakest link, which is someone getting 145 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: a picture of my email, someone breaking in a court order. 146 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: There's so many ways that if it's digital, it's getting 147 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: out there. And I got an expert witness that I 148 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: can pay to basically undo or redo anything on the 149 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: Internet in exchange for money. So just because you thought 150 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: it was erased, whatever, probably wasn't. 151 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: And you know, with this name in likeness. For me, 152 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: I always think of athletes at the collegiate level. I 153 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: never really thought about movie stars or singers. But you know, 154 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of fraud associated with it. So you 155 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: may think, hey, I'm getting an autograph picture, I'm getting 156 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: the real T shirt, or some booster is offering you 157 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: money to come to their school, only to find out 158 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: that person was a shyster. Wasn't true. 159 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's the fraud of some of the products and 160 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: the show ups and people acting as a fake agent 161 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: or a fixer or whatever, and then there is just 162 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: outright theft. We just concluded a case involving several celebrities 163 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 2: that involved their name, image and likeness in some advertising 164 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: where some local small businesses, some of which sold some 165 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: socially interesting items, went online and drafted some new ad 166 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: copy and they'd used some pictures, and interestingly enough, some 167 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: of those pictures got tracked back to some celebrity body parts. 168 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: And that's illegal. You stole my celebrity client's image to 169 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: make money. Now, it's fine if I've paid you a 170 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: license fee and you know you're using my image to 171 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: make money in advertising, But what happens if you just 172 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: steal it just use it, and ours was not that 173 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: big an issue, but we of course learned about a 174 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 2: bunch of others where literally some the more famous you are, 175 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: the more you are being robbed every day by people 176 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: using your name, image and likeness and you can't do 177 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 2: squat about it. 178 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I just learned, because after I was 179 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: talking to you, I became so fascinated. I even learned 180 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: that there are students on certain visas that can't participate 181 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: because the law won't allow them. The immigration law won't 182 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: allow them. Oh yes, and I'm thinking, so now there 183 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: could be this student that is the biggest soccer star, 184 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: biggest volleyball player, best swimmer that a college has ever had, 185 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: maybe over an Olympic track, but they can't earn any money. 186 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: It's very interesting when we get into this, especially the 187 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: foreign visitors, because obviously they are subject potentially to rules 188 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: and laws from their home country that could regulate their 189 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: behavior here even though they're present in the United States, 190 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: whereas in the US they'd have the freedom to contract. 191 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: And we're seeing that a lot in some of these 192 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: or in the these kids at schools where the name, 193 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: image likeness deal is paying them unbelievable amounts of money. 194 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: So that's obviously going to impact the whole program around them, 195 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: both the sports program and the educational program. It's a 196 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: very impactful process. But you're right, then there's the unfairness of, well, 197 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: this kid gets and that kid doesn't because of the 198 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: nature of how they got here. You also have the 199 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: rights of the university. So Cheryl is the absolute world 200 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: champion underwater basket weaver. She is the most famous underwater 201 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: basket weaver in the NCAA. There has never been any 202 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: very better. And so she enrolls at Auburn because it 203 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: is the best underwater basket weaving department and crave so eagle. 204 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: And so what ends up happening is Cheryl gets approached 205 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: by Josh's Basketry Express and says, Cheryl, you're the You're 206 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: the picture of who we want. We love you, we 207 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: need you, our clients love you. You're gonna get up 208 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: here and you're going to talk about how Shift for 209 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: Brand basketry is the best baskets to soar your nuts 210 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: and berries and anybody could ever imagine they are handcrafted, 211 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: dark tis no beautiful baskets, Cheryl, we want to and 212 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: Cheryl you're gonna get money, and Cheryl goes, awesome, I 213 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 2: love money, except she says it with that great Southern drawl. 214 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: And then Cheryl shows up wearing her underwater basket. We've 215 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: even custom made bikini that is emblazoned with Auburn. What 216 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: about Auburn's name image likeness? And now Cheryl has promised 217 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: Josh and been paid that she's gonna appear, But what 218 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: about Auburn? Is Cheryl allowed to share her Auburn uniform 219 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: or does part of her agreement prevent her from being 220 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: able to be pictured in a school licensed uniform? Don't 221 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: tell me. Schools don't make big money selling selling that logo, 222 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: and and it just it when you get down in 223 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: the and the and the balls rolling and you're picking 224 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: up all the moss and everything and seeing what else 225 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: attaches name imag Enlighteness starts off being real easy. Yeah, 226 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: you got to pay me to make me to use 227 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: my picture, but very quickly gets complicated. You also have 228 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: to deal with the rights of broadcasters or other people's media. 229 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: If it's a photographer from a big photography agency, you 230 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: just can't use their picture even though they took it 231 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: of you playing a game. On at this stadium. You 232 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: can't just take that photographer's picture. That's that's how copyright 233 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: fits it. 234 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: Well, Josh, I have another question that I have no 235 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: idea the answer, obviously, and I've never thought about it before. 236 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: You know, those collection cars, the baseball cards, football cards. 237 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: Love love love. I mean, I've had baseball cards from 238 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: the junk wax era. I got some classics. I did 239 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: Magic the Gathering from ninety four to ninety eight in college. 240 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: I then thankfully put them down, but missed the billion 241 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: dollar industry that has come up in the last few 242 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: years with these sports cards. Their prices have gone nuts 243 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: with these custom cards and cutouts. And you know, I've 244 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: got a bunch of lawyer friends that spend huge bucks 245 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: on the and they get graded. It's a whole yeah, 246 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: so yeah. 247 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: It's the whole thing. Yeah. My son, Hug, I mean 248 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: he has got a part time gig basically doing it, 249 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: and there's so much money. But I've never thought about 250 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: the cards that have the action shots from the games. 251 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: Oh, how does that happen? 252 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about NBC or somebody licensing. 253 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: And in fact I know this because I just do. Uh, 254 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: there are certain cards where you will not see a 255 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: uniform name where they have airbrushed and removed the uniform. 256 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: There are some card companies that can only print this 257 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: kind of name, image, and like, but then may have 258 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: individual contracts with players that allow more. Then your name, image, 259 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: and likeness may be subject to like master sales contracts. 260 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: Like if you're a member of a union, which every NFL, NBA, 261 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: a major, they're all union. Every one of them's got you, 262 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: and that a union protects things like their name, image 263 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: and likeness and has the ability to license it. Because 264 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: if you're your product of playing a sport gets licensed 265 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: to broadcasters, so they have rights to certain parts of 266 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: your image, but can't do other things with it. Like 267 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: if I have the right to your image because I'm 268 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: broadcasting your game, can I then use your image and 269 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: sell it to the car dealer. No, but you've given 270 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: me the ability to broadcast your image, but there's limits 271 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: on it. I can't use your image for X, Y 272 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: and Z. Typically there's going to be some sort of 273 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: commercial band where I'm not allowed to use your image 274 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: for anything commercial. And that's really where a lot of 275 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: the enforcement comes in, because you have to protect freedom 276 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 2: of speech. I have the ability to take a picture 277 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: of my favorite sports star or least favorite and make 278 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: an homage or a parody of it, both of which 279 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: are sacro saying American values Under the First Amendment, parody 280 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 2: is the lifeblood of the revolution that we had against 281 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: the British. Without parity and political commentary, we're doomed. Do 282 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: I have to pay to license it? Well? 283 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: No, you're the president, So like a political cartoon, no issue. 284 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: Generally no, because the way our current system is set up. 285 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: And that's actually something we're going to get a lot 286 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: of discussion about as the current administration, and there's a 287 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: legal movement wants to change how some of our First 288 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: Amendment laws work because there are some just horrifying abuses 289 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 2: out there. And the eminal case which involves that groups 290 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: is interesting as Penthouse Jerry Folwell, New York Time that 291 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 2: comes out in the line of cases say this, how 292 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: famous are you? Are you a public figure? Are you newsworthy? 293 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 2: Is there a reason that people would have a genuine, 294 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: legitimate public safety, public interest to share your Yeah, you're 295 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: not going to have a lot of protection there. So 296 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: the moment you become a politician, you lose a lot 297 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: of your ability to sue people using your image. 298 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Now I have to get you to explain something to 299 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: me because I had a stalker and when I tried 300 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: to get some things put into place to stop this person, 301 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: I was told, well, you're a public figure, you don't 302 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: have any protection. And I'm like, first of all, I 303 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: can go right down to my hometown grocery store. Nobody 304 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: knows who I am. I am you know Carol Burnett, 305 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: who everybody knows. Like I was so stunned by that, 306 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: And it seems like the opposite should be true. 307 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: It's to a lot of people. It's a counterintuitive analysis 308 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: because you don't control necessarily whether you are a public 309 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: figure or newsworthy or not. And what happens in every 310 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: true crime case is as soon as you get arrested 311 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: for a crime in your community and are accused of 312 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 2: a crime, hey, you're basically a newsworthy individual, right, So 313 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: you can't sue the news for putting up your mugshot. 314 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: There's a reason we get a mugshot so that we 315 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: can identify people in our community that have been accute 316 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: of crimes. But at the same time, what happens if 317 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: I take your mugshot and start trying to make money 318 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: off of it, you know, by hosting a website that 319 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: says you want to know who got arrested, check this 320 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: out at Cheryl. And there's been litigation on that where 321 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: Georgia specifically, we had a rash of those and we 322 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 2: had to create a whole off and pass a law 323 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: that gives people more rights while also protecting the legitimate 324 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: interests of the press. And Cheryl, I love you. You 325 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: are a public figure. You hold yourself out in social 326 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: media and traditional media as an expert in certain things 327 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: you've published, You've a broadcast. It would be a very 328 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: interesting bit of litigation for you to claim as part 329 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: of a case I am not a public figure, just 330 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: the same way that I realized that I do the 331 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: same thing. I'm a lawyer. I hold myself out for business. 332 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 2: I do tons of media. But there's no line like 333 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: there wasn't a day June seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven, Josh 334 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: Siffer ceased being a private person and is now public. 335 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: That's not how it works, and your status can change. 336 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: And listen, I didn't really disagree. I mean, there are 337 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: certain sentence Well, of course I'm recognized, there's no question. 338 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: But to me, in my mind, a public figure is 339 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: somebody that the majority of people would know who they were. 340 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: And I just felt like, you're gonna give me zero 341 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: help because I'm this public figure that again, there are 342 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: people in my neighborhood don't know who I am, except hunting. 343 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: Caroline's mom, Karen Reid could walk up to my mother 344 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 2: and ask her for the weather, and my mother would 345 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: not have any idea. Man, there are people that my 346 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: daughter probably could recognize a thousand yards away, and to 347 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: her cohort are just legends. 348 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: No. 349 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: Well, shoot, David, I'd never heard of the cat. 350 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: That's right, That's right. 351 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 2: Dude's definitely a public figure. 352 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: Definitely. 353 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: I had no clue he was as famous as he 354 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: apparently was. 355 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: But don't you think those people, because of any celebrity 356 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: they may have, should actually have more protection. You've got 357 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: people breaking into Madonna's house, breaking into all these famous 358 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: people houses over and over and over, and it just 359 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: blows my mind. 360 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 2: The danger is real. The hardest part and what I 361 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: hear from a lot of people when your celebrity has 362 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: faded and you don't necessarily have the in order that 363 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily have the income and assets of a celebrity, 364 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: yet you are prominent. And that's where you get the 365 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: people who literally are famous and don't have the ways 366 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: that wealthy, famous people have to protect themselves. 367 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: Now that's scary, and that sounds like Madonna. 368 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: Guess what she I understand probably has a very expensive 369 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: security twenty four hours a day as part of the 370 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: exchange she made for being one of the world's great entertainers. 371 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 2: Don't feel bad for her, who do? I feel bad 372 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: for the people that are just thrust into the public 373 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: through no choice of their own, or have tried to 374 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: leave the public. Which that's always interesting when we talk 375 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: about the tabloids, because there's those stars that we just 376 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: see constantly and everybody goes, oh, they're famous. That's whose 377 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: people are interested. Well, it's that and the fact that 378 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: the other stars when they don't want to be seen. 379 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 2: You don't see Tom Hanks in the papers. You don't 380 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: see people when they want to be quiet. 381 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Well, like Jody Foster, she faded for her own protection 382 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: and went to Yale. 383 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: Stood back, went went and that is possible. It's one 384 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: of the reasons that I get all flacky when some 385 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: of these celebrities complain about the burdens of I get it, 386 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: there are some burdens of celebrity. You also reap what 387 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 2: you sew. And if you're going to go out to 388 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: the clubs and wear the clothes and do the things 389 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 2: and hang out and generate all the pr as two 390 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: ends of that pr So don't complain when people are 391 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 2: also like, look at this unflattering photo of this person 392 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: who begs photographers to follow them around, totally unlike what 393 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: happened like Princess Diana, where oh yeah, woman harangued, harassed, stalked, 394 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: and you know, abused by an over aggressive psychotic press 395 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: that literally killed her depending on whether you believe the 396 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: conspiracy theories or not, but regardless, she's dead and photographers 397 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: played a large role in that. But then I have 398 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: a right to know what's going on with the Royalty 399 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: of Britain in the United States press because guess what 400 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm interested in. 401 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: Okay, one last question about name, image and likeness. Illegal 402 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: gambling you're all for in students millions of dollars? Well, 403 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: you think they're not going to bet and possibly throw 404 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: a game. You think they're not gonna say, Okay, well 405 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: there's gonna be maybe something I can design so that 406 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: we go to game seven. 407 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: Notice how we have a very public prosecution of gambling 408 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: and insider fixing, like once a generation, like there's the 409 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: Black Sox, there's Pete Rose, there was those baseball players 410 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: that got known. How every once in a while we'll 411 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: stand up and we'll say, hey, we're gonna keep sports. 412 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: Sports are not clean. Sports are not clean. Betting on 413 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: sports is fix a bull because it's people. Sumo, which 414 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: is the legendary, most famous sports export from Japan, turned 415 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: out has been fixed for the entire existence basically of 416 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: sumo because the way the matches are set up, after 417 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: you've achieved enough victories, you have a good incentive to 418 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: start throwing throwing matches to younger people who really need 419 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: that last win or two, and they do the statistical 420 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: analysis and find out, wow, these really amazing wrestlers all 421 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: happen to lose during the last couple of days against 422 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: these people, and then you've got college athletics. Betting on 423 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 2: college athletics has never been a bigger business. Georgia is 424 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: fighting right now whether or how we're going to do 425 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: college betting. Robin Hood, the giant brokerage now basically has 426 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: sports betting, they just call it something like derivative contracts 427 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: or something like that. It's sports betting, but it's not 428 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: sports bet That's how a lot of the available betting 429 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: like companies exist in no betting communities because you're not 430 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: actually betting on sports, you're betting on a fantasy game. 431 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: And that's one of the various ways lawyers have figured 432 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: out how to end around what bookies did, and that's 433 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 2: really who's losing our bookies. Your local bar probably has 434 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: a few fewer guys selling the football card than they 435 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 2: did twenty years ago. But now you've given an incentive 436 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 2: to some of these players who are flush with cash, 437 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: who are jealous and envious of others' wealth, and they 438 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: see how much money can be made in the temptations 439 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 2: of crookery, which, let's just be facefects, it's hard being 440 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: a poor kid, and I don't know many kids that 441 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: aren't poor or feel they are poor, because feeling struggle 442 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: is part of being that age, and that envy manifests. 443 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: And then we're going to end up with sports fixing, 444 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: which already exists, and then you can add some organized 445 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: crime to it, and it spins out of control. Wildly. 446 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, that name, image and likeness in illegal gambling 447 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 2: does create some perverse incentives. But really the impact on 448 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: gambling is more. We've professionalized the games that people bet on, 449 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: and now you've got fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old kids 450 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 2: and younger being scoped out for programs that basically will 451 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: guarantee some sort of massive compensation through a sponsor or 452 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: third party to go to that program. And the programs 453 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 2: that have bigger exposure, you're an il deal is going 454 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: to be bigger. And then you've got a football team 455 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: where all these eighteen, nineteen twenty year old kids are 456 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: all driving a chopped up hemy Dodge Charger, which is 457 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: what they all buy. It's the dumbest car. I love 458 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: it. It's a dumb car, goes real fast. And we all 459 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: know what happens when you mix all these things together. 460 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: It's it's it's man, you're going to kill some people eventually. 461 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: And how does that affect our whole college sports? And 462 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: then we've got the issue of the one sport's gonna 463 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: have compensation more than underwater basket weaving, And guess what. 464 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 2: Underwater basket weaving is an important historical sport in America 465 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: and deserves under Title nine the same support in YadA YadA, YadA. Well, 466 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: Cheryl doesn't quite get the numbers on espn Ocho doing 467 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: underwater basket weaving for Auburn the way that Auburn football does. 468 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: And then you've got students getting paid based on participant. 469 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: Oh boy, hot mess, hot mess. 470 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: Okay, let everybody know again, because you said I own me, 471 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: I own Cheryl mac boom boom the column the fifth? 472 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: How do I protect myself? Or should I even worry 473 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: about it? Is there any way to truly do it. 474 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 2: In today's modern world? And this same thing I tell 475 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: my clients when their case is done, and Josh, what 476 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: do I do this? This world has grown so big 477 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: so fast, the information that's out there. You can be 478 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: cynical about it, and most people aren't nearly as important 479 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: as they think they are. Because if I really want 480 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: to get you, there's better ways. If I really want 481 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: to open up the big book of legal and illegal 482 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: dirty tricks, fool and with your image is child's play. Now. 483 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that lots of people aren't going to 484 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: do it. I feel terrible, especially for women that are 485 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 2: being horrifically sexually abused by these programs where they take 486 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: an otherwise innocent picture and can manipulate it into the 487 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: worst possible things you should never try to even imagine, 488 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: because it's the depths of hell. We're talking about people 489 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: and they do that, and man, we all love these 490 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: animations and these means, but you can go into the deepest, 491 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 2: darkest realms of the worst per person you know and 492 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: give them unlimited control to create an image. That's what 493 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: we're getting. And on future episode we can talk about 494 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: the unbelievably challenging free speech balance with seesam material and 495 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: how really smart, wonderful people apparently fight to make allowances 496 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: to allow very offensive and horrific things to come into existence. 497 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: And the real ugly stuff is when you get raw 498 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: with the First Amendment, and raw with the First Amendment 499 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 2: ain't nice. We're talking about irrefutably offensive imagery and the 500 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: ability to make it and whether it is artistic expression, 501 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: and what's the difference between an anonymized face and now 502 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: I've put the face of a famous person on it. 503 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: Is that now political speech? Or is it artistic speech? 504 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: What if it's non commercial? What if it is commercial? 505 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: It's hard out there. It's hard out there. Share. I'm quitting. 506 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm done. 507 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm done. 508 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: I'm done. 509 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: I just want everybody know. Hey, the good news is 510 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: you own something. You own yourself. 511 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you want to buy Josh, I will 512 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: cut you a deal. 513 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 3: Yea. 514 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: I will let you use some picture Cheryl. In fact, 515 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: I'm the start. You can use my picture. Share there 516 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: you go. Let me tell you. 517 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: I will straight tell you. I am a pimp. I 518 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: am Cheryl McCollum's pimp. Call me the. 519 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: McCullum pim pandas in town ladies and. 520 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: Gentlemen, sugar bear, honey, come on, man, you. 521 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: Make a deal. He put you in the Lincoln. Drive 522 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 2: you around. 523 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna be on the fib track. Honey. Oh. 524 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: One of my friends owned the worst strip club in 525 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: America down there where Literally I've seen strippers fight over 526 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: a client at that place, and it was like, this 527 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: is this is truly degenerate. Like it was hard watching it. 528 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: I felt like I was on Safari in the worst 529 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: place ever. It was uh and this was a really 530 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: back during some of the Heroin years, So it was, man, 531 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: you want to talk bad that part of Atlanta when 532 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: the heroine was really ripping. It was an open air 533 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: everything market, and oh the horrors that that's the depths 534 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 2: of you. Men. 535 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Have you ever been in a movie theater where you 536 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: just had a great time and it's just dark and 537 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: everything is perfect, but you waited a little too long 538 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: and sat there maybe waiting for the crowd to file out, 539 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: and they turned the lights on. Let me tell you, 540 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: if you've ever in your life been in a strip club, 541 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: when the lights. 542 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: Are on, last call the strip club is a tough, 543 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: tough moment. 544 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: When they turned the lights on. You don't even need 545 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: a black light. 546 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: Listen. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to look at that 547 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 2: couch you've been sitting up. Oh god. 548 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: I used to laugh, you know, with some of my 549 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: old buddies back in the day, and we would sometimes 550 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: to make a list the difference between men and women. Well, 551 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: that's one of them. That's one of them. The Three 552 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: Stooges is another. But I'm just telling you, I mean 553 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: the strip club, especially the Wednesday afternoon amateur hour. No 554 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: thank you, no thank you. 555 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: It is. But here's the thing. You find beauty, art 556 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 2: and inspiration in the worst places. 557 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: Agreed with that, I do agree with. 558 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: That, which is a terribly you catch twenty two. You 559 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: can't find the beauty without the awful to compare it to. 560 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: We all need context. You do not know love until 561 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: you have known loss. You do not know joy until 562 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: you have known pain. 563 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: You have never lied, sir, And that's the way to 564 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: say it. And you know, Joshua is one of those 565 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: people y'all want gonna tell you. Everybody says either the 566 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: glass is half full or half empty. Not with Josh. 567 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: Josh realizes that cup can be. You refeel over and over. 568 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: Your capacity for love has no bounds. 569 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 3: A make that this week's message your love. Your capacity 570 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 3: for love knows no love is free. There is no 571 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 3: physical call. You can give it to people. And the 572 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 3: more love we put out in the. 573 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 2: World, we will be better off. 574 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: Four it right on. I love you, honey, Love you too. 575 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: Next week, same time, same time,