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Speaker 2: Hun sounds like I'm just like a medio.

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Speaker 1: I know the schedule has been a little crazy on

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Speaker 1: the see you next Tuesdays, but I'm really excited the

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks we have big shows planned. Colleen

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Speaker 1: back in the mix for those. And yes, QB Island

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Speaker 1: just two weeks from now, and I noticed it's been

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Speaker 1: they're all playing great other than Lamar Jackson, who's been hurt,

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Speaker 1: but he's coming back on Thursday, and he's still Lamar

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Speaker 1: freaking Jackson. So we'll talk about the Thursday night football

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Speaker 1: game in just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: The city is a buzz, I know, Dodgers, Glee.

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Speaker 4: We all stayed up and watched the game electric eighteen innings.

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Speaker 4: I was telling you before the show, I went to

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Speaker 3: A good sign. Yeah, if he says it, you should

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Speaker 1: I was at the last eighteen inning World Series game,

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Speaker 3: Let's talk some news. Let's talk some NFL.

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Speaker 1: We have a decent amount of news right off the

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Speaker 1: top of the show. Then we'll get to that segment

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Speaker 1: and TNF. Let's start with the latest quarterback change. Tyler

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Speaker 1: Shuck will start difficult first matchup against the Los Angeles

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Speaker 3: It's been playing well lately, good pass rush.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the timing does make sense, even though it's unfair.

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Speaker 1: It's like you know, you tell children very often, life

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Speaker 1: is not fair. I don't think this changes fair to

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Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler, and yet I totally understand it.

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Speaker 3: I think both things can be true.

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Speaker 2: Multiple things can be true. We love to say that

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Speaker 4: Tough draw to get for your first your first NFL start,

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Speaker 4: Coming off of bye week, so not only that, but

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Speaker 1: I thought he looked good when I went to rewatch

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Speaker 4: The problem that they're going to have is that everybody's

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Speaker 1: It's funny because Riley Moss might get targeted less now

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Speaker 1: after the Chiefs Commander's recap. Brian Thomas Junior was not

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Speaker 5: We have no plans on moving Brian Thomas Junior at all.

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Speaker 3: Not a lot surprises me from the insiders.

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Speaker 1: That is not what the Jaguars obviously would want out

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Speaker 2: Well in it that's why he responded that way.

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Speaker 1: It has to come from somewhere. Maybe it's other teams, China, maybe.

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Speaker 2: A motivational tactic. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior is a second year player, though, would

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Speaker 1: he hate being traded away from UH A guy who

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Speaker 3: He said he had no plans.

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Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of coaches say we have no plans,

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Speaker 1: but I can always say plans k.

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Speaker 2: Jared Goff is our quarterback right now.

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Speaker 1: Right now is even more dangerous. Se that's where you

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Speaker 1: Get a first round pick for Brian Thomas Junior. Hell yeah,

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of good stuff in that. The Roger

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Speaker 4: Roger McCreary reporting, and he did get traded.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's take a quick break, and when we

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Speaker 1: We're festive love Halloween week. Love that it's kind of

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Speaker 3: So this has been a long.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna wear a costume.

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Speaker 1: And if someone just like made it very easy for

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Speaker 3: I got some good pictures. It's on the ig.

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Speaker 1: The segment what we're haunted by, maybe what people in

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Speaker 4: Well, Ben Johnson and the Chicago Bears are absolutely haunted.

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Speaker 3: By all the penalty Oh okay, yes.

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Speaker 2: The penalties.

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Speaker 4: Greg sixty four penalties or five hundred and thirty three

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Speaker 4: Ben Johnson seems to be closer and closer to his

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Speaker 4: I think a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to him.

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Speaker 6: We've been harping on it as a coaching staff, and

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Speaker 5: How was that message received by your your team leaders,

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Speaker 3: Mhm. It seems okay.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm making it. I'm making a thing over

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Speaker 1: All of the pre snap stuff, though, is like you

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love a little nerd rage.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to go more my own rage, but

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Speaker 1: it's about Mike Tomlin, and it's about this.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's the ghost of that steel Kurt. It's the

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Speaker 3: Back in the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 1: But more than anything, it's the ghost of what Mike

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Speaker 1: the quote, little bro, I'm your big bro, you're my son. No,

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Speaker 1: here's Tomlin. We got to write that story. But we've

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Speaker 1: got enough talent, we've got enough schematics to do big,

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Speaker 1: big things. And when I say big things, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about his story things. That's Mike Tomlin on August twelfth.

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Speaker 1: Fast forward two and a half months, and their offense

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Speaker 1: is performing better than I expected, better than anyone could

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Speaker 1: have expected. Twelfth in DVA they are more than doing

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Speaker 1: their part.

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Speaker 3: What are they in defense? Number twenty two in.

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Speaker 1: Defensive DVOA, dead last in yards per drive allowed.

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Speaker 3: Bro get off the field.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you got the Rooney family spending one hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty five million dollars on this defense.

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Speaker 3: That is more than.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five million dollars, more than any other defense in

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Speaker 1: the entire league.

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Speaker 3: What's historic is how poorly they're playing.

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Speaker 4: And I know this is especially tough for you to say,

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Speaker 4: because the offense is playing adequately, Greg and I and.

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Speaker 2: I know you want to hate. I know you want

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Speaker 2: to be a hater. I am a hater, and that's fine.

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Speaker 4: But this, this is not just haunting but downright frightening

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Speaker 4: because you can invest this much, not just money but

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Speaker 4: personnel and draft picks and all of these.

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Speaker 1: Different Derrick Carmen first round pick this year, Keanu Benton struggling,

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Speaker 1: second round pick, and.

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Speaker 4: It's just not looking like they look slow, they look older,

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Speaker 4: and they don't look like they're evolving.

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Speaker 3: Some of that.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning of the year, you could blame on injuries.

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Speaker 4: You know, Joey Porter was in and out, Junior was

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Speaker 4: in and out of the lineup, and at a certain

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Speaker 4: point Jalen Ramsey was dealing with a hamstring and all

475
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Speaker 4: of these different than Alex Heismith was out. You could

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Speaker 4: do that to a point, but now you're getting to

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Speaker 4: the point where there is nowhere else to look. And

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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin is being asked about it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he's looking elsewhere. Let's let's actually listen to Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: This was This was part of his press conference on Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: We certainly need to be better in third down, and

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Speaker 5: we've been, but it doesn't necessarily mean dramatic changes in

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Speaker 5: terms of stematics and things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: Why not.

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Speaker 1: That was what got me in that quote from before,

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Speaker 1: was because of our schematics, because of our players, we

487
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Speaker 1: can do historic things. I think their players are really

488
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Speaker 1: good in the front. Yeah, I don't think it's perfect

489
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Speaker 1: in the secondary, but I think it's more about the

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Speaker 1: schematics that are the problem.

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Speaker 3: And it bothered me.

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Speaker 1: It's why I'm doing this segment that he opened his

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Speaker 1: press conference today talking about how frustrating it was that

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Speaker 1: they couldn't put together a complete game plan and that

495
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Speaker 1: the offense couldn't finish drives, that they were in third

496
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Speaker 1: and too long too often, and they settled for too

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Speaker 1: many field goals. And I'm thinking you're opening that press

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Speaker 1: conference with that when your defense, the one you said

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Speaker 1: was going to be historic, just gave up ninety something

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Speaker 1: points in nine hundred yards or sixty something points over

501
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Speaker 1: the last two weeks, and nine hundred something yards like,

502
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Speaker 1: look in the mirror, you should change the skmatics.

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Speaker 3: They've been the same since since he got there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And what I think is probably frustrating to Steelers

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Speaker 4: fans right now and to you as well, Greg, is

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Speaker 4: that some of the changes that they did make in

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Speaker 4: terms of the personnel. And I do point to that

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Speaker 4: Jalen Ramsey trade or excuse me, yeah, the Jalen Ramsey

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Speaker 4: trade as one of them. Is you get some of

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Speaker 4: these players who are supposed to be and no, he's

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Speaker 4: not playing like vintage Jalen Ramsey, like let's just be

512
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Speaker 4: clear about that. But he has made splash plays. He

513
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Speaker 4: will have games, especially when he is I think set

514
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Speaker 4: up for what he's more able to do now at

515
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Speaker 4: thirty one years old, play in the slot and kind

516
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Speaker 4: of be that like tilt coverages and leverage different mathematical matchups.

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Speaker 4: And at the beginning when they when this trade happened,

518
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Speaker 4: it was all the sort of the running line, and

519
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Speaker 4: myself included was this is this is among the multiple

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Speaker 4: different gestures or signals that you're getting from this Mike

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Speaker 4: Tomlin led Steelers defense that they are going to take

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Speaker 4: another step in a different schematic direction. They are going

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Speaker 4: to evolve a little bit, and the production has not

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Speaker 4: matched it.

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Speaker 1: No, And I think when he's pointing out, you know

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Speaker 1: them struggling to get off the field, it's because good coaches,

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Speaker 1: I think, know what is coming. It is a lot

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Speaker 1: of the same in man coverage, blitz type of concepts,

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Speaker 1: And if you wanted to really simplify it, I think

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Speaker 1: it's more of an execution defense. It's more about our

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Speaker 1: players are better than your players. We're not trying to

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Speaker 1: fool you. And it reminds me of the old uh

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Speaker 1: John McCay quote, the old Buccaneers coach when he was

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Speaker 1: asked what he thought of his offense as execution, and

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm in favorite. This is this off this defense,

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Speaker 1: it is very har executing ll not executing chop its

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Speaker 1: head off. I mean, I love Mike Tomin He's such

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Speaker 1: a good coach. But I think Dave Danischik has done

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Speaker 1: a good job pointing out like there's nowhere left to

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Speaker 1: point like.

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Speaker 3: It's always blaming.

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Speaker 1: It's always the offensive coordinator, it's always the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And I think right now Tomlin is a big part

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Speaker 1: of the problem. All right, give me what you're haunted by.

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Speaker 4: I think that somebody is being haunted by some previously

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Speaker 4: very strong comments.

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Speaker 2: That we're correct made last fall.

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Speaker 4: That is Kevin O'Connell on the Rich Eisen Show, and

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Speaker 4: he said these incredibly truthful words, I believe organizations fail

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Speaker 4: young quarterbacks before young quarterbacks fail organizations. Very true, right,

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Speaker 4: And I think credit to Kevin O'Connell for not only

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Speaker 4: speaking up something, saying something very plainly and very honestly

553
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Speaker 4: that's been an issue across the league all thirty two

554
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Speaker 4: for years, for decades at this point. His comments were

555
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Speaker 4: not and are not wrong, but they loom extra large

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Speaker 4: right now as the Vikings walk ap pretty impossible haunting

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Speaker 4: in height rope with their quarterback situation, and in light

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Speaker 4: of the Carson Wentz season ending labraam and arm socket

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Speaker 4: injuries and JJ McCarthy seemingly returning from a high ankle

560
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Speaker 4: sprain which was the reason why Carson Wentz aka the

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Speaker 4: human Shield was playing through those injuries.

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Speaker 2: To give JJ McCarthy enough.

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Speaker 4: Time, according to Kevin O'Connell in the organization to return

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Speaker 4: in a safe and healthy way. For me, multiple things

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Speaker 4: are true here based on all the reporting and all

566
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Speaker 4: on the record and radio comments and probably continued questions

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Speaker 4: and comments all throughout this week, from Kevin O'Connell, from

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Speaker 4: Carson Wentz, from everybody involved in the situation. It seems

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Speaker 4: like he was really pushing to play through this injury,

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Speaker 4: these multiple injuries, and that can be true, while also

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Speaker 4: teams don't protect players from themselves historically, and it's also

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Speaker 4: true that in this case, the Vikings could not really

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Speaker 4: protect the player who they have spent less resources and

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Speaker 4: invested time in, from himself, the lesser of two evils.

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Speaker 4: In their minds seemed to be Okay, let him play

576
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Speaker 4: and protect our future investment. But that's also failing a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: That's failing Carson Wentz.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe it's in the words there. He's okay failing

579
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Speaker 1: older quarterbacks. He just doesn't want to fail the young one.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I think if you go

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Speaker 1: back to, like what could be haunting this team, it's

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Speaker 1: their off season plan. Yeah, because Carson Wentz wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: You know, they wanted to have Sam Howell. I was

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Speaker 1: forgetting that. I was like, who was their backup quarterback

585
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Speaker 1: two months ago? Was Sam Howell? You know who they

586
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Speaker 1: traded for that? That was a bust I think leaving

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Speaker 1: Wentz out there was brutal when you could have played

588
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Speaker 1: Max Brosmer last week, just at least at some point

589
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Speaker 1: in that particular game that happened. And so I don't

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Speaker 1: know what happened behind the scenes, but at some point

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Speaker 1: the decision was made. Carson Wentz is going to be

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Speaker 1: put down for the year. That might have been Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz is like, okay, you used me. I'm good here.

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Speaker 2: See yeah, because you can't physically play Greg.

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Speaker 1: We literally just saw him do it, so he could

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Speaker 1: in theory, I said at the.

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Speaker 4: Top of these comments, like everything that everyone including Carson

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Speaker 4: Wentz is saying out of Minnesota right now is he

599
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: was pushing to play through these righties. Right, So that

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Speaker 4: can be true, while also this can be a total

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Speaker 4: mess and an organizational failure. At the same time, both

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Speaker 4: of those things can be true because a player will

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Speaker 4: always want to play in an organization will nine times

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Speaker 4: out of ten not protect the player from himself.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's very rare. Both of those things are true.

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Speaker 2: Fact to the league. You don't have to like it,

607
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Speaker 2: fact to the league.

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Speaker 4: But the thing is, is this franchise, because you're now

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Speaker 4: trotting out, you have two quarterbacks on the roster, JJ

610
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Speaker 4: McCarthy and Max Browsner.

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Speaker 2: They're probably gonna add another guy, but it's hard.

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Speaker 4: Because there's not a lot of people with scheme or

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Speaker 4: system familiarity. And then you're putting more resources into a

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Speaker 4: quarterback room that you already reshuffled right.

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Speaker 2: Before the start of training camp.

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Speaker 4: You're throwing whoever's out there behind a bad offensive line

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Speaker 4: that's not playing to the level of the investment, and

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Speaker 4: some of that's injury related as well, but an offensive

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Speaker 4: line not to the level of expectation or investment, and

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Speaker 4: also a run game not to the level of expectation

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Speaker 4: or investment.

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Speaker 2: And when you have all of that, Carson Wentz happens to.

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Speaker 4: Be the first casualty, the first real noticeable casualty of

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Speaker 4: all of this. But you have to get this right

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Speaker 4: because you have gained the reputation through your very true

626
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Speaker 4: and correct actions, if with previous quarterbacks as well as

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Speaker 4: you know your reputation and your very correct words. You've

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Speaker 4: gained this reputation as a guy who gets quarterbacks and

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Speaker 4: is the quarterback whisper, and like to reiterate, he earned

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Speaker 4: that reputation, but it's dangling kind of precariously right now

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Speaker 4: as those words, as honest as they were, kind of

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Speaker 4: come back to haunt him and the organization because you

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Speaker 4: could argue that whether or not they got it right

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Speaker 4: with JJ McCarthy watching what happened to Carson Wentz, the

635
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Speaker 4: rest of the system is not succeeding around the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, there's nowhere to hide. I think they were

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Speaker 1: trying to set up JJ in the best chance for

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Speaker 1: success by making sure he's one hundred percent back. Look,

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Speaker 1: do I think if he had played lights out the

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Speaker 1: first two weeks of the season he would have satis long?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I just don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, people a lot of people are forgetting that

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Speaker 4: that he did not look good but for that one quarter, right,

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Speaker 4: and so I.

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Speaker 1: Think that was a big part of why he had

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Speaker 1: to wait to start longer. But at some point, you

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Speaker 1: know they had to play him. They they would have

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Speaker 1: been playing him. It sounds I think this week, whether

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz was hurt or not, and it's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 1: You got the Lions and the Ravens right out the

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Speaker 1: gate for JJ McCarthy. I am curious who else they

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Speaker 1: will bring on there. But it's also an opportunity. That's

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Speaker 1: a great thing about the NFL. You're like one week away,

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Speaker 1: Like if they could just somehow beat the Lions, then

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Speaker 1: it's like.

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Speaker 3: All none of this mattered.

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Speaker 1: All that really matters is JJ McCarthy's development for the

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Speaker 1: rest of this season.

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Speaker 4: Really, that quarter against the Bears was enough of a

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Speaker 4: wild card that I wouldn't rule I wouldn't rule it out.

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00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: He's got some gamer in him if he's feeling healthy, Like,

662
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: I just wouldn't rule it out. At the same time,

663
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: the Lions are a wagon on both sides of the ball.

664
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Speaker 4: And also like again this roster, this, I mean, the

665
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: defense is not playing up to the level of expectation,

666
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: the offensive line is not playing up to the level

667
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: of expectation. All of these things preseason that they tried

668
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: to construct in order to basically plug in and give

669
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 4: this quarterback like a crescendo through the course of the season.

670
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: It's just not happening.

671
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Bikings fans probably don't want to hear, but I'm I'm

672
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: with them, kind of where I was with Drake May

673
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: in the offseason, and like, all that matters is JJ McCarthy.

674
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: They're probably not making the playoffs this year. But if

675
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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy has a positive next nine games, that's that's

676
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: kind of all that matters for the Vikings. And so

677
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: that that will start on Sunday and we'll preview that

678
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: game on Wednesday. Can't wait, Colts man. I have a

679
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: lot of regrets about how I evaluated the Colts.

680
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Speaker 3: I'm haunted by many things when it comes to picks.

681
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: But the over underwin totals draft, that's my baby. Hadn't

682
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: had a loss in four years of doing it. And

683
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: my number two pick this year, partly because Nick Wright took.

684
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: The over on the Chiefs, which is looking good.

685
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: My number two pick this year was under on the

686
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: Colt seven and a half. Not only that, a couple

687
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I flipped my pick on Game Deviut

688
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: from the Colts to the Charger. I mean, in that game,

689
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: just absolutely stupid, And there were so many reasons to

690
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: see what was coming with this Colts team. First of all,

691
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 1: that was like the most obvious everyone's piling on type

692
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: of pick. I don't want to consider myself a contrarian,

693
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: but I do find myself kind of making picks like that.

694
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: So for me to just go like a Lemming and

695
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: fall right off the cliff do exactly what Vegas wanted

696
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: me to do and take the Colts so early, like

697
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: they were going to be some sort of disaster off

698
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: based off vibes whatever was. But I should have seen

699
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: what was there, which is weirdly a win now team

700
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: full of incredible continuity and really good on the offensive line.

701
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: Now, did we know Tanner.

702
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Bordolini and you know Matt Matt Gonzales I believe he

703
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: pronounced his name. We're gonna be as good on the interior?

704
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: Probably not, but they played pretty well at the end

705
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: of last season, so there were signs there. But in

706
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: terms of the weaponry, they've all been in Shane Steiken's

707
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: system now for years. In terms of terms of their defense,

708
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: like it is a veteran group z Ire Franklin and

709
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: Grover Stewart and DeForest Buckner and Kenny Moore, and they

710
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: bring in Charvi Tarvarius Ward. This is not a young team,

711
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, Like, if this didn't work this year, obviously

712
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: they were gonna blow up, blow it up in terms

713
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: of the GM and the coach. But also I think

714
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: I sort of forgot the players that have been there

715
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: have been there for a while, and and they're good players,

716
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: and Psychen has proven he can win games without great

717
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: quarterback play, and so there was a lot leading up

718
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: to this season. I think that that made us just

719
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: off target. That I should have been able to see.

720
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: I should have been a seer and more than anything,

721
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: once it started happening, I really should have just trusted it.

722
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: Because I do trust it. I don't think they're going anywhere.

723
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: I don't think that means they go fifteen and two.

724
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: But I think they're the second most likely team in

725
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: the AFC to make the Super Bowl. And I think

726
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: the offense is going to be a wagon as you say,

727
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: all season long.

728
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 4: They are, and Jonathan Taylor having this season that he's having,

729
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 4: I know we're too early.

730
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: It's not even technically mid season.

731
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Speaker 3: We can hand out some awards next week, so we could.

732
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Speaker 2: Say VP type of season.

733
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: You could say like that he would be your Offensive

734
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: Player of the Year.

735
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: So far, he's playing incredibly well. They're explosive, they are

736
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: getting you know, their success rate on conversions is like

737
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 4: some over fifty percent and then some it's incredible.

738
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Speaker 2: They are. They're fantastic, and I think a lot of

739
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: what was.

740
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 4: Maybe the bias that a lot of us, myself included,

741
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 4: came into the season with was this sense that Chris

742
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: Ballard was just going to do the stubborn thing again

743
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: and that kind of carry Shane Stikeen along in the

744
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: undertow with him in terms of sticking with Anthony Richardson

745
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 4: and trying to make that work because of the investment

746
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: and because of the evaluation that they had on him,

747
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 4: because the investment they had made into him.

748
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 2: And that's not what happened.

749
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 4: Instead, they pivoted from a decision that you know, I

750
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: think say they pivoted into the right one. Whether or

751
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 4: not we still know what Anthony Richardson can eventually be,

752
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: we don't, I don't think, but you can say they

753
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: pivoted into the correct decision, and they did it kind

754
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: of without that fear of embarrassment, I guess, of the

755
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: first decision that they had made to invest in him

756
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: in the first place. And I think that it's like

757
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: we should have just read the tea leaves with Daniel

758
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: Jones choosing to go there despite the fact that Minnesota

759
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: he had just been in Minnesota with Kevin o'can donald,

760
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 4: And does.

761
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: He get credit, does ocnnall get credit for helping to

762
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: restart Daniel Jones's career or blame that they could have

763
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: just paid him sixteen million dollars.

764
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: Also could have paid Sam Donald just saying.

765
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: Right, but they could have paid Daniel Jones a backup

766
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: type of contract.

767
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 3: He's sort of in between.

768
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: But they could have paid him twenty five million dollars

769
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Speaker 1: less than Sam Donald and kept Daniel Jones.

770
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say I give him more blame than credit.

771
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to say I give I give Daniel

772
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: Jones credit for going where he could see a roster

773
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Speaker 4: and believe it would be successful, and so like we

774
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: should have all followed Daniel Jones honestly.

775
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: But I will say.

776
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 4: I'm still stuck on you saying you're not a contrarian

777
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 4: like I got stuck on that at the beginning of

778
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: your comment.

779
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: No, I said, I would.

780
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: Not want to still stuck.

781
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 5: Now.

782
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: What I was saying was I, which is kind of

783
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: a funny thing for a contrarian to I would not

784
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: want to think of myself that way.

785
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm open, I mean.

786
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: On the internet that I'm the contrarian exactly.

787
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm basically saying that I recognize that in myself.

788
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: All right, one more thing that's taunting you.

789
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: Well, you know I'm an optimist, so I picked something

790
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: that is hauntingly.

791
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: Beautiful, like a treasured spirit that's come into your life

792
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: or a treasured soul from your past. This is the

793
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 4: Chargers offense, specifically out of their heavier personnel groupings with

794
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 4: Joe alt back and activating Scott Mattlock at fullback, and

795
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 4: activating all of these different tight ends including Omari and

796
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: Gadson in the passing game, so you could stay in

797
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 4: the heavier personnel. Kimani Vidal twenty three of his carries,

798
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: or on his twenty three carries last week, twenty of

799
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 4: them were out of a heavier personnel. So that's either

800
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: with a fullback added, or multiple tight ends added, or

801
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: six offensive linemen and a fullback added in Scott Mattlock

802
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 4: Jared Patterson not on his eleven carries, ten of them

803
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 4: were in heavier personnel.

804
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: This is all according to next Gen stats.

805
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: The Chargers had two hundred seven total rushing yards, including

806
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: sixty two by Justin Herbert, who clearly feels more confident

807
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: using his legs and especially when they can block it

808
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 4: up for him, and especially when they've got these like

809
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 4: human sequoia trees up front blocking for him. Like I mentioned,

810
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 4: you can activate actual pass catching tight ends and stay

811
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: in your heavier personnels. I'm just I just got all tingly,

812
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 4: you know, watching it, and especially there's like a second

813
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: and six where it was all of them lined up

814
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 4: and Scott Mattlocke was in and they had two tight

815
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 4: ends and they had a running back as well as

816
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 4: the full back, and it was just this wall of people.

817
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: It's everywhere. It's your league, your league right now.

818
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: Hauntingly beautiful.

819
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: The Eagles had twelve snaps of six offensive line and

820
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: they're just using They call it a tight end, but

821
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: it was just Patrick. It's like basically just another Yeah,

822
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: it's a tight end. The Texans went nuts, cranking up

823
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: more six offensive lineman snaps in that game almost in

824
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the season combined. Patrick Card returned for

825
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: the Ravens, who I kind of feel like is an

826
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. So yeah, heavy personnel is happening everywhere.

827
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: It is.

828
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk Thursday night football. Okay.

829
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: These are two teams, the Baltimore Ravens and the Miami

830
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: Dolphins on Thursday Night Football, who are coming off maybe

831
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: the most encouraging games each one of them has had

832
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: all season long. Who, like a lot of the teams

833
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: we just talked about, were kind of haunted by backup

834
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: quarterback decisions.

835
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe the Dolphins weren't, but.

836
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: They did elevate Quinn yours one week and he made

837
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: it all the way to the Throw of the Year candidacy.

838
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: And now for some reason, Zach Wilson is back to

839
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: being the backup. But no, I really do think like

840
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: the Vikings are haunted by their backup quarterback situation, the

841
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: Giants for making the wrong one I think to start

842
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: the season, and I think the Ravens for signing Cooper

843
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: rush to seven million dollars when your boy Tyler Huntley

844
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: was right there all along, gets a big win last week,

845
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: and I just think there was a lot of encouraging

846
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: factors for Lamar Jackson to return to They did confirm

847
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: Lamar spoke to the media he'll be out there, kind

848
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: of a hometown game for him.

849
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: And all they need.

850
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: For Lamar Jackson to be successful is an average defense.

851
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: In the last two weeks, they've been average. All the

852
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: numbers would say they've been right around average and a

853
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: good enough running game, and the running numbers have been

854
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: average average success rate over the last two weeks, and

855
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: when you add Lamar Jackson to that, it becomes exceptional.

856
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am really eager to see what this will

857
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: look like because we noted this on the Recap Show

858
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: on Sunday that Todd Monkin called a better game and

859
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: this was important for him to do because there had

860
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: been reports locally of just just dissatisfaction around the building

861
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: of how it was going to that point. He called

862
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: a better game, and he also called a game that

863
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: you could see Lamar Jackson dropping into and elevating obviously

864
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 4: the quarterback position and doing so, but then also you

865
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: could see all the pieces and how they would pertain

866
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: to a Lamar Jackson led offense as well, obviously with

867
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 4: a huge improvement a quarterback, because this is Lamar Jackson

868
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: we're talking about. So I'm really curious to see what

869
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: this looks like. Having Patrick card back is sneaky huge

870
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: for them too, and activating some of the ways that

871
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 4: they want to run the ball and some of the

872
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: ways that they want to disguise their run.

873
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: Pass looks as well.

874
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: And having this defense you know, moving the safeties a

875
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: little bit Alohi Gilman coming in and adding to the

876
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: group and then being able to move Kyle Hamilton a

877
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: little bit.

878
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: Again, we saw this work last year. Yea.

879
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: It's almost like, would you just want to start the

880
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: season that way. I know they were limited in personnel,

881
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: so maybe couldn't, but it's like you could start to

882
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: see maybe this Ravens team is, at least in theory

883
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 4: or an ideation what you're seeing them do schematically on

884
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: the field, maybe turn a little bit of a corner.

885
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: Well you can kind of like look at the snap counts.

886
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: It's as easy as that to me and see who's playing,

887
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, Gilman's now playing every snap. And

888
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith, who did not look right early in the

889
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: year and then they sat him down, and that did

890
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: seem to be one of those injury situations where it

891
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: was like, you're not helping us playing through the injury

892
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: that you have, let's sit you down. They get through

893
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: the by he has his best game of the season

894
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: by far. That's a massive deal. Marlon Humphrey is so

895
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: integral to what they do on defense. And then I

896
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: even noticed last week, like Mike Green has not been

897
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: that effective for them as a rookie pass rusher, but

898
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: they just need him and he basically was out there

899
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: every snap. He did have a couple splash plays. I'm

900
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: not saying he's turned the corner, but he's helped. And

901
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I know it's just one week and

902
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: it might just turn out to be one week, but

903
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: I do think it's a tougher matchup this week against

904
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, who really showed something a week ago with

905
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot of diversity in their running game, certainly to

906
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: a tongue of Iloa's best game of the season. Jalen

907
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Wattle's gone ninety five yards or more three out of

908
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: the last four weeks. And it might turn into just

909
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: a blip, but it was a really clean, awesome perform

910
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: by the Dolphins, especially in the way that they attacked

911
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: the running game last week. And so I do think

912
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: it's a tougher matchup than people might realize when they

913
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: look at a seven and a half point spread.

914
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: On the road.

915
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: Well, and I think the Dolphins would probably prefer to

916
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: not be looked at too closely because coming in as

917
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 4: an underdog is helping them. It has helped them but also,

918
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: you know, I think a lot of us expected this

919
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 4: to be an interim coach by now, possibly even you know,

920
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: interim management in the front office as well, And it's

921
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 4: not because these guys are getting a shot genuinely to

922
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 4: turn this thing around, or so it seems on the surface, right,

923
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 4: And so I feel like it's it's very interesting to me.

924
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 4: I actually have not spent a lot of time truly

925
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: worried about Miami's offense this year, whether it was yeah,

926
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 4: they still they've for years, they've had issues in the

927
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 4: run game. Like I won't I won't say that that's

928
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 4: perfect by any means.

929
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: They need their running game to work better like it

930
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: did on Sunday, But in terms.

931
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 4: Of the way to for for you, I mean a

932
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 4: couple real stinkers of games, but especially last few weeks

933
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: playing better some of the the vintage sort of timing

934
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 4: and ball handling and and just different little layers and

935
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 4: elements that they add for triggeration for the handoffs and

936
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: the misdirection and all of those things that's there. Jalen

937
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: Waddle is playing great. Not having Darren Waller obviously is

938
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 4: a blow, but Jalen Wattle has really been that guy

939
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: and been that player who it's almost like he's he's

940
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 4: just like shining a little brighter without a Tyreek Hill

941
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 4: also demanding some of the targets or needing some of

942
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 4: the targets to go his direction because of his pure

943
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: speed and ability to separate. So this has had to

944
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: be sort of a rebuilt on the fly a couple

945
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: of times this year. Offense, If Mike McDaniel can just commit,

946
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: just commit to running the ball, Ollie Gordon might you

947
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: might really have something in compliment with Allie Gordon.

948
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: I think I think he's a player that should be

949
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: part of their future. Yeah, like he's a he's a

950
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: short yard, big, big, physical back. Jalen Wright got into

951
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: the mix last week, and then Devon h Chan is

952
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: great whether lined up as a receiver or.

953
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: As a running back.

954
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: The flip side is where I'm even more curious if

955
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: it was a one week thing or not, because they

956
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: did make some schematic changes in terms of how they

957
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: were like lining up their defensive tackles last week, and

958
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: everyone got on the falcons and you did somewhat as well.

959
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: I don't think it was about like in terms of

960
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: how much they were using Bijon Robinson. It was more

961
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: like knowing how to use him exactly, because when you

962
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: look at that game last week, they tried to use him.

963
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: It just wasn't working. And so is that a one

964
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: week thing? Because the Dolphins do have talented players up front.

965
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips definitely coming off his best game of the year.

966
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: I would say Zach Stealer is too, and I think

967
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Brooks has been great all year. They do have

968
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: some players. The weakness is in the secondary, So that's

969
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: one where I want to see it more than one week.

970
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: But that one week was enough. It really isn't one week.

971
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: If you look at their last three or four games,

972
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: every week has probably been their best game of the season.

973
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: Well, they're all hot seat games for everybody.

974
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: Right, even the Browns game defensively, Like, I know they

975
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: were playing the Browns, but they gave up around two

976
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: hundred yards in that game.

977
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: The defense was fine.

978
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: So I'm always hopeful that we're going to have a

979
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: more interesting game to talk about on the Thursday night recap.

980
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: But I oh, is that booth? Yes?

981
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: I do think they showed some things last week that

982
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: at least make me think, Okay, maybe they're a little

983
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: closer to the seven to ten, eight to nine Dolphins

984
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: that maybe some people expected before the season than they

985
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: are to this total problem. The problem is that they're playing,

986
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, the best offense in the league when it's healthy,

987
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: and it's and it's quite one of them, and it's

988
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: quite healthy.

989
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 4: And also if it goes horribly, horribly, horribly wrong, just

990
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 4: a couple of days before the deadline, the Ravens might

991
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 4: be getting a great look at a pass rusher they

992
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 4: should try to make a move for and see if

993
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: that works.

994
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's good, because I think Bradley Chubb is is

995
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: probably more likely to be traded, but he hasn't really

996
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: been that effective this year.

997
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 3: Has a big number.

998
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips is really interesting young player who you can

999
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: think about trying to sign long term after you trade

1000
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: for him. But I think the Dolphin should be trying

1001
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: to sign him long term because you're always better that

1002
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: second year.

1003
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you might be frozen though, whether you're offloading or extending,

1004
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 4: if you don't know if you're gonna have a job

1005
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: at the end of the year.

1006
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: That's a great point. So that's why a team like

1007
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: the could bring them in. They could think, hey, we'll

1008
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: tag them if we can't work out a deal at

1009
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: something like that Thursday night football.

1010
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: I think I think the Dolphins maybe keep it close,

1011
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: closer than seven and a half. Why not.

1012
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. We will be back on Wednesday.

1013
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: Are you ready?

1014
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: I'm so ready?

1015
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 3: Honkers Anonymous? What did we call it? Honking?

1016
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: Haunted? Honkers. It's just all bad, all bad

1017
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: Time of the show, spooky, Gonna stay spooky all week

1018
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: See Wednesday.