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Speaker 2: radalle happy trackleship.

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Speaker 1: One man, you're saying that humans need fantasy to make.

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Speaker 3: Life bearable, Humans need fantasy to be human?

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Speaker 1: My goodness, that's good.

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Speaker 3: You guys, prone best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that hornless? What's up? Everybody? Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Chris Raybaon of the Action Network, and

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Speaker 3: this is our NFC West Fantasy Preview episode. Here to

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Speaker 3: breakdown the Niners, Rams, Seahawks, and Cardinals with me one

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Speaker 3: of the top fantasy rankers in the game, the odds

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Speaker 3: maker Sean Kerner, Sewan, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's happening? What Jersey rocking today? Is that? Is that

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Speaker 2: Garrison Hurst? Man?

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Speaker 3: I remember, I remember Garrison Hurst. I think it was

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Speaker 3: opening day ninety eight. I want to say, against the Jets,

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Speaker 3: you have like a ninety six yard walk off overtime.

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Speaker 3: Oh on, I still remember that, like very vividly, but

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Speaker 3: I know this is Jerry.

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Speaker 1: Rice ninety four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I loved I loved the ninety four

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Speaker 3: George because they had like the seventy fifth anniversary patch

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Speaker 3: and everyone was kind of rocking their throwbacks. I've been

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Speaker 3: watching some some ninety four games on YouTube actually nice.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, for any of you guys listening, guys and

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Speaker 3: gals listening who may not be familiar, we're gonna go

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Speaker 3: through every fantasy relevant player for every team in the

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Speaker 3: NFC West.

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Speaker 1: Will start with the San Francisco forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: And I mean it starts with the quarterback situation. Brock

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Speaker 3: Curty's going at QB twenty eight, Trey Lance is going

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Speaker 3: at QB thirty, and then Sam Darnold's also hanging around here.

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Speaker 1: Some reports are even saying.

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Speaker 3: He maybe overtaking Lance for that number two role, Whereas

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Speaker 3: to seven month recovery timeline, So five months would put

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Speaker 3: him September first, But you know, if it's he's on

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Speaker 3: the long end, you know it'll be closer to November.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I guess Lance is still going in

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Speaker 3: the top thirty as well. But uh, how do you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, normally it's the running backs in Sancisco's

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Speaker 2: We're trying to figure it out. This year it's the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But I mean it.

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Speaker 4: All depends on rock Party and how soon he can

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Speaker 2: The starter yeah when healthy.

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Speaker 4: So I mean he was the QB nine and six

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Speaker 4: starts last year. I don't know if he has that

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Speaker 4: maximize the potential of McCaffrey, deebo Aute Kittle. So he's

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Speaker 4: just like perfect for this offense, and we didn't see

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they asked him and not scramble

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Speaker 4: I think QB twenty nine is just a steal. But

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Speaker 4: joys of drafting in June. But I think out of three,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be clear.

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Speaker 3: You know every report I've heard, even straight from Shanahan's mouth,

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Speaker 3: that said, this is our quarterback, this is our guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a matter of the health.

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Speaker 3: So as I said, you know, the optimistic timeline he'll

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Speaker 3: Lance versus Darnold here because Lance is gone to QB

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Speaker 4: So a lot of things have to happen from hit here. Still,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're not going to trade him into Division Arizona,

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Speaker 2: Which is interesting. Yeah, he might be great in this offense.

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Speaker 1: He was great down to stretch for Carolina. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Lance is the guy's probably probably overvalued, even

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Speaker 3: do you think Ayuk at wide receiver thirty is the

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Speaker 4: just when you have another high usage player like McCaffrey

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Speaker 2: But they just don't need that right now with McCaffrey

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Speaker 4: Especially just the targets that Ayuk and Kittle are going

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Speaker 3: out with eleven touchdowns, and he had never really been

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Speaker 3: he's he's another I mean, people aren't really talking about

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Speaker 3: Like all the underlying metrics are down and the touchdowns

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Speaker 3: expecting the touchdown regression to kind of make him a

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Speaker 3: kind of overvalued at as a top four tight end

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's definitely some you know, touchdown regression coming,

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Speaker 4: but he's still you know, one to arguably one of

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Speaker 4: Like if Trey Lance starts eight games this year and

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Speaker 2: But he had an up and down season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tight end one, right, And.

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Speaker 1: That's the other side of the coin.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to tee you up for

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Speaker 3: because it's like, yeah, tough because it's like he's been declining,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be thirty. But he did play the best

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Speaker 3: with Purty, but it was also it was a lot

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Speaker 1: I mean, would you take him where he's going? I

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Speaker 1: guess this is my question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's going tight end four, I think that's appropriate.

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Speaker 4: I have him and Hawkinson pretty close. I think right

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Speaker 4: now I would still lean Hawkinson. I think with Kittle,

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Speaker 4: the downside is we might not get a full season

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Speaker 4: of Brock Purty. That's the downside. So yeah, but how

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Speaker 4: if you know Lance has more than two games started,

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Speaker 4: that's going to really start to eat into Kittle's production.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I would still go Hawkinson right now.

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Speaker 4: But you can get Kittle ten stots later, so you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm okay with that. But he's probably the guy that's

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Speaker 4: tied to Purtty the most, I think in terms of,

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Speaker 4: you know, projecting his value this season, I.

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Speaker 2: Agree, I don't.

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Speaker 4: He was probably due for some positive touch oni regression,

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Speaker 4: to be honest, I mean, he's too good not to

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Speaker 4: score double the touchdowns, but I don't think we can

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Speaker 4: bank on.

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Speaker 2: Him scoring double digit touchdowns again.

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Speaker 4: But I think the targets, the catches, the yards will

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Speaker 4: be there, and with pretty under center the consistency. But

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Speaker 4: he is rock solidly my tight end four as of now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna pass it them more often than I just

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Speaker 3: still goes in the in you know, waight uh late

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Speaker 3: years now, and and you know it makes sense because

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Speaker 3: like you got Debo, you got McCaffrey, A Yuka is

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Speaker 3: breaking out, you know, so you have pass you know,

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Speaker 3: like premiere pass catchers or above average to great pass

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Speaker 3: the in the lineup. Now, it's not like, you know,

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Speaker 3: a few years ago, it was like, yeah, kiddo, of

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Speaker 3: course he would be targeted thirty one percent of his

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Speaker 3: routes because San Francisco isn't really working with much up

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Speaker 3: so and and he's a great blocker, so it's like

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Speaker 3: he can impact the game without necessarily putting up big numbers.

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Speaker 3: And you know, obviously that also keeps him healthy as

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Speaker 3: more often than I'm in on on Kittle, especially if

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Speaker 3: you know the Arizona Cardinals get any better against tight ends.

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Speaker 1: You know, he got four of his eleven touchdowns in

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Speaker 1: the two games against the Cardinals. So like, yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: there are some I am I'm concerned.

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Speaker 3: I'm concerned, Like I just I just don't know if

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Speaker 3: he's he's definitely gonna be a top six tight end.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know if he's worth And I know

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Speaker 3: just don't know if he's gonna be worth like a

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Speaker 3: top fifty pick, is what I'm saying. Like that end

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Speaker 3: might just be Kelsey or or Andrews or Bust or

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Speaker 3: even just Kelsey er bus. So, but yeah, I do,

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Speaker 3: I do like a Yuka y receiver. Third, I think

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Speaker 3: he's solid there. Christian McCaffrey is going RB one in

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Speaker 3: a out of drafts. Uh, just under fifteen carries a

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Speaker 3: game with the Niners. I mean he's you know him,

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Speaker 3: think compared to like his heyday with Carolina in terms

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Speaker 3: of the usage, he's just very efficient. Are you taking

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Speaker 3: McCaffrey or Eckler overall or first at running back?

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Speaker 4: I think it's it's more of a coin flip than

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Speaker 4: people think. You know, Eckler, we didn't talk about him

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Speaker 4: too much on the other PUD, but he I don't

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Speaker 4: think he had more than twenty carries in the game,

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Speaker 4: but he's getting all the most valuable touches, you know,

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Speaker 4: getting the goal line carries, getting the passing work, similar

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Speaker 2: So I would still lean McCaffrey now.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's scary to think McCaffrey's upside in

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Speaker 4: the forty nine ers, the full season of that, Like again,

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Speaker 4: I think he will he will need brock pretty under

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Speaker 2: If it's Trey Lance for like the first five games.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna really hurt McCaffrey because Lance is gonna scramble more,

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Speaker 4: not dump it off as much. But I just love

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Speaker 4: McCaffrey's upside in this offense. I think he's like almost

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Speaker 4: exactly a year.

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Speaker 2: Younger than Eckler, So right, now I'm leaning McCaffrey, but

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Speaker 2: it's very close. Ekwer is right there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually read Ekwer because you know, we talked

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Speaker 3: about this on the other pod. I think, uh, the

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Speaker 3: Chargers may run the most plays in the league their pace.

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Speaker 3: They were already a fast paced team, and Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: And Echwheer was thirty eight.

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Speaker 3: Touchdowns over the last two years. Yeah, and I actually

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Speaker 3: think Ekwer. You know, Ewa has a little bit less uh,

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Speaker 1: I think overall, I know.

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Speaker 3: He's I think he's a year older but or maybe two.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean you can't really go wrong with

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Speaker 3: either of them. But yeah, you know, sometimes Shanahan would

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Speaker 3: just throw like Elijah Mitchell in there at random times

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Speaker 3: he actually average about catching a half more than McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: What do you think of Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: He's RB forty two, averaged about ten carries per game

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you kind of allude to it, you know, Kyl

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Speaker 4: Shanahan does whatever he wants so that Elijah Mitchell benefit

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Speaker 4: from that. And Mitchell could see enough usage even when

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Speaker 4: McCaffrey is healthy to offer RB three flex value at times,

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Speaker 4: you know, especially when there's heavy bye weeks, and obviously

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Speaker 4: So you know, I think Mitchell is a type of

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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, they're gonna have plenty of positive game

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Speaker 2: The running game. So yeah, he has a ton of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love him in redraft where I could just kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, caaffrey misses any time, he might even become a

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Speaker 3: the McCaffrey owner. But beastball does worry me because he's

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Speaker 3: missed eighteen of thirty four career games with eight separate

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Speaker 1: In any week two years. But yeah, he plays to that.

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Speaker 2: He played through like a separate shoulder.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Mitchell is a grinder.

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Speaker 4: So even though he's been getting hurt, he plays through

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Speaker 1: And he still missed half his games.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of this, that's kind of the running back

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Speaker 4: some pretty big hits. So running backs do take a

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Speaker 4: just if I'm all be honest, So that that's kind

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Speaker 2: But yeah, something the monitor for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll probably have Jordan Mason on like a non

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: I think he's the durability has been such a question

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Speaker 3: So but love him and Redraft, what about overvalue guys

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Speaker 4: Gotta go withy Lance here. I think he'd be twenty

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Speaker 4: just based on current ADP, Lance is my best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lance, And I think Kiddle. I'm gonna worry about Kittle.

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Speaker 3: I just I think the touchdowns regress a little, and

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Speaker 3: you know, the five catch for sixty five yard guy

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Speaker 1: Lance and Kittle for me. Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Next up, Gino Smith up to QB twelve and ADP

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Speaker 1: I do like.

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Speaker 3: Geno's rushing ability, you know, twenty one and a half

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Speaker 3: in the top ten in DVOA against the pass until

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Speaker 2: Wow, So I like Geno.

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Speaker 3: I mean quarterback twelve now, I mean that's about you

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Speaker 1: But I do like I am optimistic about Geno. What

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Who would have thought that we'd be talking about Gino

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Speaker 4: you're kind of taking at market value right now.

438
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: It's a fair price. But I do love the fact

439
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: that they.

440
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 4: Added a third wide receiver in Jackson Smith Jigba the

441
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 4: first wide receiver draft of this year, and I would

442
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 4: say the best wide receiver prospects. So I think Gino

443
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 4: was a high end QB two pushing QB one upside.

444
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 4: Like you said, he still has some decent rushing upside

445
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 4: at this point in his career, so I don't think

446
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 4: he's gonna drop off. I think what we saw last

447
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 4: year we'll continue this year. So yeah, I think he's

448
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 4: priced appropriately. He's not a guy I'm going out of

449
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 4: my way to get But certainly you'll want to make

450
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 4: some Seahawks stacks because with Metcalf, Lockett and now Jackson

451
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba there, there's too much potential in this

452
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 4: offense is complete fade them. So I think it's a

453
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 4: fair price for him right now.

454
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Speaker 3: Yeah, great bast ball team, because you could definitely Gino's

455
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 3: you know, at QB twelve to fourteen is still easily draftable,

456
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: and you can still get Metcalf and then Rocket excuse me,

457
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 3: Lockett a couple of rounds later, and then Smith the

458
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 3: Jigua a couple of rounds after him.

459
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Speaker 1: Hey, you can even you.

460
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 3: Can even top it off with Noah Fan and hope

461
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: he balls out against the Cardinals again. But yeah, no,

462
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: I mean just they've they've been doing great things in

463
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 3: Seattle like that. You know a lot of people kind

464
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: of give, you know, kind of kind of stunt on

465
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll and act like he's like old school, but

466
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 3: Seattle's really low key being especially after we saw what

467
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 3: happened to Russ when he left, Like, Seattle's been doing

468
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 3: a lot of smart things, especially in offense, and to

469
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 3: be able to kind of turn it around and get

470
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 3: to a point where they could be.

471
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Speaker 1: One of the top offenses in the league. I think

472
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Speaker 1: is pretty impressive. What do you think about so, how like,

473
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: how are you treating these receivers?

474
00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 3: So you got Metcalf at fifteen, Lockett's at twenty eight,

475
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 3: and then Smith's gigwa is at thirty seven.

476
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think Metcalf clearly, you know, the best one.

477
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 4: We pretty much know what we're getting from him at

478
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: this point. He's He's still only twenty five years old,

479
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 4: so he might not have even peaked yet. But the

480
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 4: reason why you know Gino is so good for him

481
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: is Gino was had the fifth highest catchupble rate on

482
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 4: passes twenty plus yards downfield, first on on target passes.

483
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 2: So that's that's great for Metcalf. You know who's more

484
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: of a downfield threat. I think Jackson and Smith and

485
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: Juba could eat into his target share some, but you know,

486
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: not enough to really overlay concern me. He might even

487
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 2: help draw some attention away. So I think Metcalf is

488
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: fairly priced there. I think Locket, as always, is probably

489
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: a little bit undervalued at wide receiver.

490
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: Remember saying that last year, like everybody's leaving all lot

491
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: I think he was going outside the top thirty at

492
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: one point.

493
00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, because last year we were projecting Drew Locke.

494
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: To selling hands and we didn't know Gino was gonna

495
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: be this good. So but lucky.

496
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: I think he's outperformed ADP every season. It seems like

497
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 4: so much wide receiver thirty does seem too cheap, so

498
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: I think he's probably the best value. And while I

499
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: love Jackson Smith Jigba as a prospect, I mean he's

500
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 4: going to be the number three target at best, so

501
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 4: it's hard to get behind him a wide receiver thirty seven.

502
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 4: This reminds me of when Ceedee Lamb went to Dallas

503
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 4: to be honest, where you know, he's arguably the top

504
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 4: wide receiver going to a team that already had two

505
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: good ones. So I think in the long run, like

506
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 4: maybe next year or two years, I think Jackson Smith

507
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 4: Jigba will be, you know, a top twenty type receiver.

508
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: But he's more of like a wide receiver two kind

509
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: of guy.

510
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: Anyway.

511
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 4: He ruins me of like good Robert Woods on the rams,

512
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: Like that's his upside is that type of receiver. He

513
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 4: could also develop like not as likely, but I'm on

514
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: ros Saint Brown like that type of player. That's his

515
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: ultimate upside obviously, But with you know, Metcalf and Lockett

516
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 4: still healthy, I don't see how he commands enough targets

517
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 4: to be like a consistent wide receiver three. So he's

518
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 4: the guy that might be a little bit overpriced just

519
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 4: based on you know, his hype. But I think Lockett

520
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: right now is the best value.

521
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he probably has one one or two

522
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: more years of beating his ADP. He's been the wide

523
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: receiver sixteen or better every season since twenty eighteen, although

524
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: he was used a little bit more, you know underneath

525
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 3: last year. His aid out went from fifteen and a

526
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: half to two years ago to eleven and a half

527
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: last year, and his yards per route went from two

528
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: point four to one point nine.

529
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: But that said, he still outperformed.

530
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf in both in PPR and HAPPYVR, so you know,

531
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: wasn't was a top fifteen receiver yet again, So yeah,

532
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: I agree.

533
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean there.

534
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: Probably shouldn't be a thirteen slot gap or a couple

535
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: of round gap between Metcalf and Lockett. Yet you know,

536
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: you know, he is thirty one, So like I said,

537
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: you know, maybe next year, maybe the year after, because

538
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: you do have some talent there entering their primes and

539
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: Metcalf and Jackson. But yeah, I think Lockuld probably has

540
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: won what at least this year should still be a

541
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 3: decent value at least hit the ADP Like, I don't

542
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: see him falling too far outside the top thirty or

543
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: anything like that. No offense, he averaged seventy one yards

544
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: five and a half catches for seventy one yards in

545
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: two games against Arizona. Against everyone else two and a

546
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: half catches for twenty three yards, So yeah, tied in

547
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: twenty seven. I mean, if Smith Jigba hurts anyone's value

548
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 3: right off the bats, probably going to be fan because

549
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: again he just not really a factor outside of the Cardinals.

550
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, don't really like him. What do you think

551
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: of So Kenneth.

552
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: Walker is going RB thirteen now, Like I said, I

553
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: think right when you start hitting, like even Josh Jacobs

554
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: is a little starting to get feel a little frozen.

555
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: Pondy Walker's RB thirteen. He was very strong after contact

556
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 3: last year, which is good to see. It was, you know,

557
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: in the top seventy fifth percentile and very reliable as well.

558
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: No fumbles are just one no fumbles on two hundred

559
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 3: fifty five touches and just one drop on thirty four targets,

560
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: so it didn't make many mistakes. But they do have

561
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: Sharbone now out of UCLA. They another second rounder. So

562
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: how are you projecting how many touches? I guess are

563
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: you projecting walk off game?

564
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 4: Well, I'm still kind of filling with my projections. But

565
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: I love the talent.

566
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: I hate the ADP right now. I think RB twelve

567
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: is a bit high. We saw the outset last year,

568
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, week six through ten when he was a

569
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: full time starter after Penny went down. He was the

570
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 2: RB one over that five game stretch. So he has

571
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: a massive upside.

572
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: But bringing in a back like Sharbonne, you know, great

573
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 4: second round pick out of UCLA, I think that's going

574
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 4: to eat in his workload a bit, specifically the receiving usage,

575
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: but I think maybe even goalline usage.

576
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: If you look at tenneth Walker last year.

577
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: He had ten attempts inside the five last year, only

578
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: scored two rushing touchdowns. That's a minus two point one

579
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: and expected touchdowns on those.

580
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: Rush stemps third worst last year.

581
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: That could either mean one or two things that he's

582
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 4: due for some positive touchdown aggression or might get replaced

583
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 4: as a goal line back, And I think sharbon A

584
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 4: he's a better fit near the goal line. You know,

585
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: he's a little bit more of a power back than Walker.

586
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 4: Kind of gives me like Nick Chubb vibes, So I

587
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: think he's probably gonna be better equipped to handle golene carries. Plus,

588
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: Walker is more of a home run hitter. If you

589
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: look at next Gen Stats, they have this measure that

590
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: kind of measures if running backs a north or south runner,

591
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 4: and Walker's sixth lowest on that metric. So he's you know,

592
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: trying to hit home runs, running the edge, and spent

593
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: the second most time behind the line of scrimmage. So

594
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: goal line carries maybe just aren't his things. So I

595
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: think that sharbon A could eat into the goal line

596
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: work and the receiving work really lowering uh, you know,

597
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: Walker's ceiling. So I think RB twelve, like you said,

598
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: this might be where the frozen pond kind of starts.

599
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: Even though he's an elite talent, there is some sneaky

600
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 4: downside THEREK.

601
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually I'm we got to get some

602
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: side action going.

603
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.

604
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: Exactly how though, because I'm I would bet that Walker

605
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: does not see the goal line work.

606
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: I feel like we a yeah, no, like I would,

607
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm betting Walker keeps it, like I yeah.

608
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: I feel like every year we have these debates on

609
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: not just you and I, but like, you know, just

610
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: the whole industry. I know Friedman and I have had

611
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: some de people Like every time somebody like says like

612
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: a rookie's gonna come in and steal car like goal

613
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: line carries from like a very good back.

614
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: Like I remember when it was like, oh, a j

615
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: Dillon is gonna get goal line carries from Aaron Jones.

616
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: Like nah, nah, I think I think kennth like Kenneth

617
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: Walker's like very very good, like I don't think like

618
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: I think the Dehawks are just wisening up because the

619
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: run game is a very important part of of you know,

620
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: Max Gino Smith's you know, they're trying to put all

621
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: the pieces around, and they got another receiver for him.

622
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: They didn't really need to. I mean, you have two

623
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: of the best receivers in the game.

624
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: You didn't really need to get a second round pick

625
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: on another running back. But that's what they're kind of doing.

626
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: I still think Walker is going to be a big

627
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: part of the offense. And I mean he still runs

628
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: very hard, can still break tackles, and still gets a

629
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: lot after context, So I bet he keeps goal on work.

630
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: I think Sharbonnay is ideally for them. You know, they

631
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: were playing Homer and DJ Dallas a lot on passing

632
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: downs over.

633
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: The past couple of years. I think that's where he

634
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: kind of starts out.

635
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: But I do I still think Walker gets probably like

636
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: fourteen to fifteen sixteen carries a game, but like you said, yeah,

637
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: not much, not many catches, like probably just maybe one.

638
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: He'd be lucky to get average to a game, had

639
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: one point eight last year. But yeah, I do see

640
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: some downside here. But I do think he'll keep his

641
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: his goal line wrong.

642
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying, like I always think in

643
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: terms of percentages, there's a better percentage chance that charbon

644
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: Is gonna eat into Walker's goal ande work then Chase

645
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 4: Brown eat into Joe Mixon's.

646
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: So let me just put it that way. Like, I'm

647
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: not saying Walker is gonna lose.

648
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 4: That, but there are some concerning things there, and Sharbon

649
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: is a great prospect, Like that's kind of the other

650
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: side of the coin, and he does profile is a

651
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: better power back, so I wouldn't be shocked if he

652
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: eats into that.

653
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: But I'm not taking you up on like a median bet.

654
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: We got to find something.

655
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: We got to find something where both running backs have

656
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: to be healthy spread on touchdown. We just make it

657
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 4: specifically inside the five carries. We could do something like that.

658
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: I think of something and then I could find some

659
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: value there. But yeah, I think Walker, like I said,

660
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: obviously a ton of upside, but take him as a

661
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: low end RB one right now is a bit much.

662
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of guys in that range.

663
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: Frozen PONDI because I got I tell you, I'll tell

664
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: you this much. I'll take Walker over Brisol.

665
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: I'll take The funny thing is is these backs are

666
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: really good.

667
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: If you think back at the Frozen Pond, like a

668
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: few years ago, it was like Mike Davis man who

669
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: was the other guy, but just some like really bad

670
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: running backs.

671
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, my guys that would like out

672
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: like they weren't even starting for their team.

673
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was like Mike Davis.

674
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: Guys like that Davis that it's like Tenneth Walker Josh

675
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: Jacobs don't talent, it's just kind of the situation surrounding it.

676
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: But just running backs are a fragile position to begin with,

677
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: so I would just be careful with them.

678
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's good, Like he's actually good.

679
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like that's that's what I'm not like, like

680
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: out of all those guys like him, like I like

681
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: mixing because I just think he's going to do what

682
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: he normally does. Yeah, But like I'm not like super

683
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: worried about Walker's just I don't I don't necessarily think

684
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: he's worth the r WE thirteen pick in terms of

685
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: his like ADP and like whatever, what is it the

686
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: second early third round is it?

687
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

688
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, second early third Yeah, it's a little stretch. But

689
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: like I'm not like worry about him completely like belly

690
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: upping or anything like that.

691
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And I think to be fair, he is

692
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: one of the backs in that range who actually has

693
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: injury upside if his backup were to go down word,

694
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: whereas like if Josh Jacobs, if Zamir White goes down,

695
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: it's not like Josh Jacobs becomes the top three back.

696
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: He's priced that is max usage. So Walker has top

697
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 4: five upside if Sharbony goes down and there's not that

698
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: many guys in this range, that's kind of how Nick

699
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: Chubb has been over the years. If Kareem Hunt miss

700
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 4: his time, maybe he's a top five back.

701
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: So Walker does have some injury upside, whereas a lot

702
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: of backs in this range, don't.

703
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: I think, you know what, I think this could like

704
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: best case scenario, but this could kind of be like,

705
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: this could kind of be like another Aaron Jones AJ

706
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: Dillon type thing. Yeah, where because you know, like every

707
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: year it's like, oh man, Aaron Jones, everyone's like worried

708
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: about him and then he just still like finishes like

709
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: a top fifteen running back and balls out.

710
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

711
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: I could see like Walker being to Aaron Jones and

712
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: sharbon A being the doing and still finishing like you know,

713
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: like mid to low thirty.

714
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, ye, I don't mind either these backs.

715
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: We know the Seahawks are always gonna have a running

716
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: game as a major focal point, even with even with

717
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: Gino playing well yeah, uh all right, who do you

718
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: like sweepers?

719
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: Tyler Luckett? Tyler Luckett, Yeah, yeah.

720
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: I got yeah, I gotta go him too. I was

721
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: initiated initially he was gonna say it, Ruin was pretty

722
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: fairly valued. But yeah, Lockett's the fact that he's going

723
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: a couple of rounds after Metcalf, I think that I

724
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: think he's gonna beat that ADP again. He's been wide

725
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 3: receiver sixteen or better since twenty eighteen. What about overvalue

726
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: guys who are busts?

727
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: Sticking with Kenneth Walker again, love the town, Yeah, I

728
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 4: would love to get him like RB sixteen. The market's

729
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: pretty sharp, but I just think there's some sneaky downside there.

730
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: Now if sharpon a missus time, Walker's potentially a top

731
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: five back, so there's there's still some upside there.

732
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: But I just think the Seahawks. Oh, I guess Jackson

733
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: Smith Jigbot too.

734
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 4: To an extent, him and Walker are price Closter their

735
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: ceiling in my projections.

736
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: But but still love Walker's of talent.

737
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for me, it's Smith and Jigball.

738
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: I love him as a talent, but I think he

739
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 3: might be a year away from like a you know,

740
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 3: every week starter, and which is kind of what he's

741
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: being drafted as you know, having three guys in the

742
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 3: top thirty six in this offense still seems like a

743
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: little bit of a stretch and Locking and Metcalf aren't

744
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: going anywhere.

745
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the Rams. The Rams.

746
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: He got Stafford coming back, he's ACTUB twenty. You got

747
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: Michae Lafleur reuniting with McVeigh. William Cohen the offensive coordinator left.

748
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: But this is mcvay's offense. But I think the the

749
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: interesting thing here is just you know, this defense lost

750
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: so many pieces when it's Galen Ramsey's Floyd and I

751
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: mean like half of the defense had more than half

752
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: actually of their defense, you know, of their safeties. So

753
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: I think this defense could struggle more than it ever

754
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: has DNA mcveay era, and so that could make this

755
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: pass offense sneaky sneaky good again, you know if obviously

756
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: Stafford has to remain healthy, but it could be a

757
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: lot closer to twenty twenty one in terms of the

758
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: numbers than twenty twenty two.

759
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: I think, just because I don't think the defense is

760
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: going to be very good. But what do you think

761
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: about Stafford and Cup as well? He's going to wy

762
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: receiver four. You know, what do you think of that

763
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: connection this year?

764
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it could be a sneaky time to

765
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 4: buy low on both because you know, Stafford dealt with

766
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: multiple injuries last year, but none are really expected to

767
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: have an impact on in twenty twenty three, so he

768
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: could bounce back with the great season. Like you said,

769
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: the defense could be very shaky. They could be forced

770
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: to throw even more this year. So yeah, I like

771
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: Stafford cup Stacks right now. I'd much rather have Stafford

772
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: over like a Derek Carr or even Jordan Love. I

773
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 4: would say in this range just because I think that, yes,

774
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: he has a ton of upsides still and there's no

775
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 4: reason to think that he's all of a sudden become

776
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: injury prone. He's been a tough player, He's played through

777
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: a ton of pain in his career, so I like

778
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 4: him in this QB twenty range.

779
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a year removed from averaging two hundred and

780
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: eighty seven passing yards a game and throwing forty one touchdowns.

781
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: So.

782
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: Just like I don't know if the touchdowns. You know,

783
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: that's obviously a big number, but I think he could

784
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 3: get back to in the two eighty two ninety range

785
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: just because the defense will be bad and Cup should

786
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: be healthy again. So yeah, I love Stafford in terms

787
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: of I mean as much as you can welp a

788
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: pocket passer.

789
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, yeah, like, do I see a

790
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: big different like Matthew Stafford if he's like I think he.

791
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: Will on a per game basis, I am, I am

792
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: almost sure that he will outscore Aaron Rodgers on a

793
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: per game basis.

794
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, don't know if I'm taking the Rodgers really.

795
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I mean, come on, like, like

796
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't.

797
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: I don't think Rogers is thrown for like any like

798
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: in the mid like you know, anything to seventy anymore.

799
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: They have a much better defense too, exactly.

800
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: That's that's really the key Like this if like I

801
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: can't even begin to list all the names that they

802
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: that the Rams lost, but I mean it is everyone

803
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: but Aaron Donald's essentially from this defense, it's it's not

804
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: looking great. And then they just were really capstrapped, so

805
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: they couldn't really replace those guys with that. He went

806
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: sad they were going to rely a lot of young guys,

807
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, special teamers, and just yeah,

808
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: I think the defense is going to be the worst

809
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: that's been. Uh, what do you think of the other

810
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: pass catchers you got? Van Jefferson going wide receiver seventy three?

811
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: Who ka Nakua at ninety six the rookie uh and

812
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: uh they signed to Marcus Robinson. I just read a

813
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: quote today from McVay saying to to at well have

814
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 3: a role in the pass offense this year. So you know,

815
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: any any and Tyer Higby's still here, he's tight in seventeen,

816
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: he might actually be somewhat of value. But any any

817
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: love for any of these other pass catchers beyond cup.

818
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: I think Van Jefferson definitely sticks out in the what's

819
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: his current AYP like wide receiver seventy five seventy three,

820
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: I think that's a good range should take him because

821
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: last year was kind of a lost season. You know,

822
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: he missed the first six games, didn't really become a

823
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 4: full time player. It wasn't able to be a full

824
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 4: time player until week eleven and that's when Matthew Stafford

825
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 4: was shut down. So it was like a lost season

826
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: for Van Jefferson. But this this year, he should be

827
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 4: the number two receiver, should be a full time starter obviously,

828
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: so he could be the number two or number three target,

829
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: depending on Tyler higbyy As a result, so if the

830
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: Rams are throwing more Matthew Stafford housed the bounce back season.

831
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 4: I think Jefferson could hit at wide receiver seventy seven,

832
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: I think, or seventy three. I think he's the safest

833
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 4: bet out of Pokin.

834
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: A to.

835
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: To out well Ben Scarnick, DeMarcus Robinson. There's a lot

836
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: of guys that can't step up for the number three role,

837
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 4: but I think Jefferson has inside tracks for the number

838
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: two role. So that's that's why I like him the

839
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 4: most of all of them outside of the top seventy.

840
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 2: I think that's crazy value.

841
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially in best ball,

842
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: because he is kind of more of the low percentage

843
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: route runner compared to you know, cupp is obviously the

844
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: high percentage guy.

845
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: I actually think Higbee has a good shot at beating

846
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: he too. You know, he finished a fifth.

847
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: In targets per game for tight ends at six point nine,

848
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: but in the games with Stafford, but he actually averaged

849
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: even more.

850
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: He was around you know, seven and a half eight.

851
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: So you know, this year Stafford can stay healthy and

852
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: with the defense bad, I think Higby can get a

853
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: lot of cheap catches. He might average five catches a game.

854
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: It won't be for much yards, its probably being you know,

855
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: still forty five fifty yards, but that that should that

856
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: could still be good enough for like a top eight

857
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: tight end finished with with decent touchdown looks. So I'm

858
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: fine with buying Tyler Higbee here. Still not a ton

859
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: behind him, and I don't think got Hopkins and Hunter long,

860
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think I think Higby's a good bet

861
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: for more targets than almost you know, any other tight

862
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: end outside of the week guys.

863
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we're always higher on Tyler Higby.

864
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 4: Just look at higbeast when you just look at his

865
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 4: underlying metrics, they're always really good.

866
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: It's uh, he's you could argue he's a low end

867
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: tight end one heading into this season. So love his ADP.

868
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: You know, he runs a route around seventy seventy five

869
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: percent of the time most weeks, get a twenty four

870
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: percent target per ute run rate plus kind of what

871
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: I was saying. The number three receiver slot in this

872
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: offense just keeps getting worse at the number two as well.

873
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 4: No more Robert Woods or no Beckham type, So Higbee

874
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 4: really could be the number two target going forward. So

875
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 4: love getting higg be Dulcich or Kincaid in that tight

876
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: end thirteen the tight end twenty one range. I think

877
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: that's those are the three guys I'm having the most

878
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 4: exposure to. But yeah, just love Higby's upside in this range.

879
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and remember Higby last year because the old line

880
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: was so decimated. There was a stretch in there when

881
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: I think you and I were both kind of scratching

882
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: our heads. He was like staying in to block a

883
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: lot more than he had been. But yeah, he should

884
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: be back to just you know, I think that his

885
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: best role is just like gobbling up a lot of

886
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: underneath targets anytime, anytime Stafford can't get it to Cup

887
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 3: and that shouldn't change because Jefferson's a guy's going to

888
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: go intermediate to deep and at Well has kind of

889
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: been that as well.

890
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: And you know, all these other guys you don't really

891
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: like it's kind of Higby's role, Like they don't really

892
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: throw to the back a lot.

893
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah a lot.

894
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: Speaking of the back, cam Akers is up to RB

895
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: twenty one, so the cat's kind of out of the bag.

896
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: You know, you think he's back to his pre injury form.

897
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 3: You think that's what it was, it just took him

898
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: like that extra year and a half to get back,

899
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 3: or do you think it was just like a bunch

900
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: of easy run defenses that kind of explained the explosion.

901
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 3: Over the last six weeks, he averaged eighty five rushing

902
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: yards sixteen just over sixteen receiving yards, so over one

903
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: hundred scrimmerg yards from week thirteen to eighteen.

904
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think it is definitely health related. I mean,

905
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: he came back the same season he tore his achilles right,

906
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: and we were kind of bagging on him. He had

907
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: a low yards per attempt. I was bagging on him.

908
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 4: But you know, towards the end of last year, much

909
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 4: to my chagrin, he was the lead back and he

910
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: had such a bizarre season where they they benched him,

911
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: you know, he got lead froged by Darrel Henderson. Then

912
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 4: he was on the trade block. Then he came back

913
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 4: and I just treat him like a workhorse back and

914
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: he was the RB four over the final six games

915
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: of the season. So I see no reason to believe

916
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 4: he won't be the starting back week one this year.

917
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 4: So you know, unfortunately, the Rams might be involved in

918
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: more negative game scripts than usual just due to their

919
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: shitty defense and you kind of allude to it. Stafford.

920
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: The Rams offense doesn't really throw to the backs as much.

921
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 4: So that's that's where akers upside is pretty limited. Is

922
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: just he's not going to post that many receiving stats.

923
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: So RB twenty one seems a bit high now. I

924
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: was getting him, you know, right around the RB twenty

925
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: five range. But RB twenty one, he's kind of sitting

926
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: atop a tier of running back so that's probably a

927
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 4: bit high for me. Plus just again with McVeigh, how

928
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 4: he handled the running back room last year was pretty volatile.

929
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 4: That could happen again this year, so there's always that

930
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 4: underlying risk. So I think I want some shares of acres,

931
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 4: but I'm not going all into RB twenty one.

932
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: I think that's a bit high right now.

933
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think he's fairly priced now. You know,

934
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 3: he definitely has some upside and you know, the Ram,

935
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: you know, McVeigh is a good coach. Maybe they figured

936
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: out how to make it work. Stafford's back and things

937
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: are kind of you know, they're just kind of like

938
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: that that more like that eight to nine to ten

939
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: win team that they've mediocre Jared Goff team before the

940
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: Super Bowl instead of like what we think, which is

941
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 3: what their win totals, I think six and a half, which, yeah,

942
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: I mean their defense is bad enough to warrant that.

943
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's just definitely downside because he topped out

944
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: at three targets even during that crazy stretch over the

945
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: last few weeks of the season, still never got more

946
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: than three targets. He did see enough to go over

947
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: the last four weeks with you know, at least at

948
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: two targets in each of the last four games, which

949
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: is you know, for him, something big, but still not

950
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: not quite enough to offset the I think the gamescript

951
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: variants to make him a slam dunk or anything like that.

952
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: Any any thoughts on any like the handcuff And I

953
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 3: know you mentioned Zach Evans earlier, and the offseason looks

954
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: like I don't know what's going on because Kirn's still there.

955
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: Zach Evans the rookie sixth rounder, but they also just

956
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: recently signed Sony Michelle, which probably is not a great for.

957
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: No.

958
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michelle coming in makes it very tricky. I did

959
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: like Evans, you know, entering the draft he fell to

960
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: the sixth round, he was actually the top running back

961
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: recruit in the twenty twenty class, I think over Jon Robinson.

962
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 4: Even so, he has a ton of talent, but he

963
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: just never, for whatever reason, he never became a workhorse

964
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: back in college. So he has a ton of talent,

965
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 4: but just the production hasn't been there. So maybe the

966
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 4: Rams it's been like what they saw so first, so

967
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: they brought in Sonny Michelle. So you know, Evans is

968
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 4: probably way too high in the RB sixty range because

969
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: it looks like it could be either Michelle or Evans.

970
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: Kyron is still just more of a pass catching back.

971
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: I don't think he has the upside to be a

972
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 4: workhorse back. So it's between Evans and Michelle, and Evans

973
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 4: is probably too expensive right now.

974
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: So this is a wait and see thing. But I

975
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a battle between those two guys.

976
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I think Evans, you know, you

977
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: always like to kind of take flyers on rookie backs,

978
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: but that yeah, the Michelle.

979
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: Signing, yeah right, and the writing's on the wall.

980
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: And then Kyrin Williams, you know, struggled as a passblocker,

981
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: which that Michelle can help in that areas.

982
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: You know his Michelle Williams excuse me.

983
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: His pass blocking grade at PFF was twenty six. That

984
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: was eighty seventh of ninety running backs with at least

985
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 3: fifteen pass blocking snap So that could be another reason

986
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: they got Michelle.

987
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: Kyrie Williams may end up just being like a like

988
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: a Jake Funk, like a special team. Yeah, that's Xavier

989
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: Jones there a.

990
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: Season preseason hero coming right right right?

991
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 3: There was one more guy who was that. There's one

992
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: more guy that Rams had like that. I think he

993
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: used to be on the Texans too.

994
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: It was like.

995
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: Who was recently recent?

996
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it was like Jake Funk and it was

997
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: Xavier Jones and it was like one more guy, Oh whatever,

998
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: I can't think of them, but Rams have those, like.

999
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: Those kinds of sony Michelle taking the Malcolm Brown roll?

1000
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: Is that what's going on?

1001
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: He might?

1002
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely might. He definitely might, But yeah, I

1003
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: mean or you could just get cut again. Who knows, right,

1004
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: But either way, yeah, not not a great sign for

1005
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: Evan's not a great sign for Williams. So yeah, all

1006
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: right to recap, who do we like any sleepers undervalue

1007
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 3: guys on the Rams?

1008
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 4: Van Jefferson and Tyler Higbee. Obviously, I think those two

1009
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 4: guys are offering pretty decent value and you get them cheap.

1010
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: But either one of those guys can be the number

1011
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: two or number three target and what should be a

1012
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 4: pretty past heavy offense.

1013
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: So I think both those guys are my sleepers.

1014
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I like Stafford. I think you hit

1015
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: the nail on the head.

1016
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 3: You know, he's probably got a lot more upside than

1017
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: some of those other pocket passes in that in that

1018
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: QB twenty range, and Higbee as well.

1019
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: You know, not often you can.

1020
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: Get a tight end that finished top five and targets

1021
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: per game is pretty much an afterthought.

1022
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: Uh So, like both of those, what about for overvalue

1023
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: guys or busts?

1024
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 4: Not many over guys in this offense. I'd take cam

1025
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: Akers just his recent ADP is probably a bit high.

1026
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 4: But you know, like I said, he was running back

1027
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: four over the final six weeks last year, so you

1028
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 4: can get pick.

1029
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 2: Up where he re left off.

1030
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 4: But this running back room was Sean mcfaith that you know,

1031
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: there could be some volatility there, so he's kind of

1032
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: in the frozen pond. But again, if he picks up

1033
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: where he left off last year. He would be a

1034
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 4: steal here, but I'll go with cam Akers.

1035
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, I'm gonna go Evans and Zack

1036
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: Evans and Kyen Williams. I think both of those.

1037
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: I just think if cam Akers went down, I think

1038
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: there would be a committee. I think they might even

1039
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: sign a free agent, or they may just let Michelle

1040
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: go at it again. Remember he they let him carry

1041
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: the ball what was twenty times a game at one

1042
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: point when he the last time he was there. So yeah,

1043
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: not really feeling the backups to Acres for the Rams

1044
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: and finally was wrapping up with the Arizona Cardinals. They

1045
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: have the league's lowest total.

1046
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: At four and a half.

1047
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray, uh, you know, recovering from the ACL injury,

1048
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: you know, so we don't know when, probably sometime around

1049
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: mid season, and uh the bye is in week fourteen,

1050
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: so Tyler probably won't miss the buye, which also kind

1051
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: of sucks in terms of draft value.

1052
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: He's screwby twenty three right.

1053
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 3: Now, but it's kind of you know, I don't there's

1054
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: so much uncertainty here and we don't know how he's

1055
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: Is he gonna scramble as much or run as much,

1056
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: you know, in his first few games back. Who knows,

1057
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: he's also coaching staff Jonathan gannons the head coach. Drew

1058
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: Petsing is the offensive coordinator. He was with Stefanski in

1059
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: Cleveland these last in Minnesota and in Cleveland these last

1060
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 3: few years. But what are your thoughts on his on

1061
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: his Cardinal offense? No, DeAndre Hopkins obviously, Yeah as well.

1062
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's a disaster.

1063
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 4: It's it's it's really hard to project Marie because he

1064
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: could miss the first six games or so. And let's

1065
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: say the Cardinals are zero and six, are they really

1066
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: going to force in action? And you know they could

1067
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 4: end up with the first pick next year if they

1068
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: do end up with the worst record, and you know

1069
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 4: USC's Caleb Williams will be sitting there.

1070
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: Do they take him? Like there's a lot of uncertainty here.

1071
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 4: I am not taking Murray at QB twenty three just

1072
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 4: because of the massive downside, just not sure when he'll

1073
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 4: return or if they will force him returning. Like you said,

1074
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: even when he does return, is he gonna scramble?

1075
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: Remains to be seen.

1076
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 4: So I'm passing on Murray at his ADP. No clue

1077
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: who's going to start. I mean, Cole McCoy might be

1078
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 4: the Week one starter. It might be Clayton Toon.

1079
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: Yep.

1080
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: For all we know, they haven't brought anybody in like

1081
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 4: a Carson Wentz or something like that. I don't know

1082
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: if it makes sense because maybe they are trying to

1083
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 4: tank this year, So this situation is a mess. I'm

1084
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 4: just kind of fading all quarterbacks here.

1085
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Connor was you know, he's pretty you struggling

1086
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: evenast year before the injury, probably I would say his

1087
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: worst season.

1088
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm concerned.

1089
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think it's worth it stashing him.

1090
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: I'm just I'd rather get the upside of having a

1091
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: guy play all the games and don't really want to

1092
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: stash a.

1093
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: Quarterback with extra ross.

1094
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: But maybe if you have an IR slot, maybe, But

1095
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 3: Ye're not not too interested in him in this offense.

1096
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: He was down a six point one yards in a

1097
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: tenth last year. I mean, that is that is not

1098
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: not good.

1099
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 2: Right?

1100
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: Marchers Brown could be interesting. He's going for thirty five.

1101
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: In the eight games without Hopkins, he averaged nine and

1102
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: a half targets per game over six about six and

1103
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 3: a half catches per game.

1104
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: Compared to four about.

1105
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 3: Just under a four and a half with Hopkins in

1106
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: the lineup, and sixty nine about seventy yards without Hopkins

1107
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: in the eight games versus just forty with Hopkins. So

1108
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: I mean this could this is your number one receiver

1109
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: and you could get you know, four or five catches

1110
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: for you know, sixty eight plus yards a game from

1111
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 3: from Browns. I like him actually a wide receiver thirty

1112
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: five because bad team they're gonna have to throw.

1113
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, quarterback will suck, so I don't know.

1114
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: The touchdowns probably won't be there, but he should be

1115
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: a good bet for catches in yards, so I think

1116
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: it's probably a little value there.

1117
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hit the nail on the head just with

1118
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: Hopkins gone. He has a ton of upside.

1119
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 4: We don't know who the quarterback will be, but just

1120
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: if they're a dumpster fire, they're gonna have to throw

1121
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: a lot more, so the target should be there. He

1122
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: has a ton of upside. Wide receiver thirty five is

1123
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 4: a steal.

1124
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: I have him inside my top thirty even factoring in

1125
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: all these like horrible variable So I love getting Mark

1126
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: eas Brown this late.

1127
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: What about Rondo Moore, He's going wide receiver fifty nine.

1128
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 3: He did have six or more catches and forty nine

1129
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: or more yards and five of his eight well really

1130
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: five of his seven healthy games, five of eight games

1131
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: over all, and his average up to target went from one.

1132
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: To five last year. So there's that.

1133
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: But uh, any interest in uh in Rondo or do

1134
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: you think he's too much of a gadget guy to

1135
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: be be trusted?

1136
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1137
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 2: He I love run him or he's like he's exciting,

1138
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: good real life player, but yeah, too much of a

1139
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: gadget player.

1140
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 4: He does require a ton of volume or to become

1141
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 4: fancy relevant. Plus he might be hurt just with more

1142
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 4: potential to night two tight end sets. You know, this

1143
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: could be more of the Browns scheme. They do have

1144
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 4: two great tight ends there, Trey McBride and Zach Ertz.

1145
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 4: So that could you know, limit the amount of snaps

1146
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 4: that Rondell could even see. He's not a guy you're

1147
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 4: lining up outside. So I just don't like him in

1148
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: this you know, improved you know, new offense.

1149
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

1150
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 4: And he's the kind of guy that does require a

1151
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: ton of volumes. So I'm I'm not interested in Webser fifteen.

1152
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 4: I think there's like a handful of guys I rather

1153
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 4: have than more in this range.

1154
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then you know they drafted Michael Wilson

1155
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 3: out of Stanford. Do you think he can get a

1156
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: start and roll this year or you think that's like

1157
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: a year away he.

1158
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: Because again, if this is just the lost season, you

1159
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: might as well see what he's got and get him

1160
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: some run. You know, we kind of know who Zach.

1161
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 4: Pascal is, although he has some ties to get him

1162
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: from Philly, so maybe Pascal.

1163
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: Ends up being the three receiver.

1164
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: Greg Dorsch is still there, so he's Wilson's gonna have

1165
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: some competition. Plus, this offense probably can't support support more

1166
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 4: than two pass catchers anyway, So Wilson's not a guy

1167
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 4: I'm interested in fantasy. But I wouldn't be shocked if

1168
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 4: they do let him just get some run out of

1169
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 4: the gate because it is a last season. But he

1170
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 4: was pretty talented, you know, third rounder out of Stanford.

1171
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: He's more of a possession receiver. So again, one of

1172
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 4: those guys that could be hurt with them running more

1173
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 4: two tight end sets. But I think for me it's

1174
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 4: Mark He's brown or bust. With the receivers I'm not

1175
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 4: really touching and anybody else right.

1176
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, because yeah, because Brown could be a target hog.

1177
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, again the quarterback is but yeah, and

1178
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: and Pascal, you know you mentioned it, he does have

1179
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: ties to Gannon and uh he's going to complicate things

1180
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 3: for Rondell Moore, Greg Dortch, to all these guys because

1181
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: he got a two year, you know, four and a

1182
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 3: half million dollar deal with a one and a half

1183
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 3: mil guaranteed. You know Greg George has zero guaranteed and

1184
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: and got like signed for the minimum. So like Pascal

1185
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: is clearly ahead of Dorsch, who's dors is kind of

1186
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: redundant with more a little bit more of a special teamer.

1187
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: Uh So yeah, you know, Doorche wouldn't draft him. Wilson's

1188
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: probably a year away. We mentioned the two tight ends.

1189
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 3: McBride's going twenty two thirty erths had surgery in late

1190
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: November on the ACL But I wasn't too impressed with

1191
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: McBride either. I mean, just targeted on just twelve percent

1192
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: of his routes and averaged under a yard per route,

1193
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: just zero point eighty yards per route run. So yeah,

1194
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't know what to do

1195
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 3: with either of these guys. Really, they're probably just gonna

1196
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: cancel each other out. But I'm not Do you do

1197
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: you like McBride if like, let's say Ertz misses the

1198
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 3: first six weeks at all or no.

1199
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think if ERTs this is the first

1200
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 4: six weeks, I would be much more interested in McBride

1201
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: at you know, low twenties. And McBride, you know, he

1202
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: was I think he was the top tight end prospect

1203
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: in the last year's draft, and we kind of have

1204
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 4: to forget he was pretty bad last year. Not gonna lie,

1205
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: but we.

1206
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: Kind of have to forgive rookie tight ends.

1207
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 4: You know, it is the hardest position for players to,

1208
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 4: you know, transition to the NFL.

1209
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: And he did flash towards the end of the season.

1210
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: He had that seven catch, seventy eight yard touchdown name

1211
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: against Falcons late in the season, so there was at

1212
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: least some silver lining, and he did. I thought of

1213
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: him as like a.

1214
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 4: Dallas Goddart coming out of college, so I'm not writing

1215
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 4: him off. So I think that, Yeah, the tight end

1216
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: twenty two range makes sense. I'd much rather have a

1217
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 4: Samuel Porter right now because he doesn't really have competition,

1218
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: I mean, and hurts that when Ertz comes back, you know,

1219
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: McBride's gonna be splitting snaps. But you know, I think

1220
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 4: McBride could break out, but the market's already into that.

1221
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: H So that's the problem. The market's too sharp on

1222
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: this one.

1223
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: But if if Ertz is like officially on the pup

1224
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 4: list or he's gonna miss you know, six or more games,

1225
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 4: then I'd be much more interested in McBride here.

1226
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, ERT's I mean, let's see,

1227
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: we'll see if he can get back for week one.

1228
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: If so, he'd be the better value of these two.

1229
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: Uh what about in the backfield?

1230
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 3: As of now, still no other free agent signings, So

1231
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: it's it's James Connor and it's it's Kyante Ingram.

1232
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: Connor's down to RB twenty nine.

1233
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: So it feels like, you know, I know, the game

1234
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: script's probably not gonna be there, and you know, just

1235
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: looking at the you know, the potential tank and the

1236
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 3: potential to maybe sign somebody, but uh, Connor seems like

1237
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 3: a value at twenty nine, if even even with all

1238
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 3: of those things being said.

1239
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's pretty cheap for a potential workhorse, right, and

1240
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 4: you know he's twenty eight so maybe he has one

1241
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: more solid season, but you know, wouldn't be surprised if

1242
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 4: he starts to decline pretty quick here. But you know,

1243
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: the Cardinals should be trailing a lot, so you know,

1244
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 4: Connor is more than capable to rack up catches, could see,

1245
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,479
Speaker 4: you know, a ton of catch He's gamescript proof really,

1246
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 4: so I still like him. And you know, Drew Petsing's

1247
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 4: coming over from the Browns. I could see this being

1248
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 4: Nick Chubb type role for Connor, with Ingram being the

1249
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 4: Kareem Hunt role. So I actually do like cream Hunt

1250
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 4: way down in uh RB eighty range because.

1251
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: I don't remember.

1252
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: Cant Ok. Yeah, sorry, I'm comparing him to cream Hunt

1253
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: right now.

1254
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: That's they can sign here.

1255
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why they would again, I

1256
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: think taking here, so I think that just Canta Ingram.

1257
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: He reminds me of cream Hunt at USC.

1258
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 4: He could kind of play that role even when Connor

1259
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: is healthy, siphon some receiving usage away.

1260
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: So I like creating Kanta Ingram outside of the top

1261
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: eighty right now.

1262
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 4: I think he's one of the better handcuffs in the

1263
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 4: league right now because he could see some snaps even

1264
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 4: when Connor's healthy.

1265
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: So I think both running.

1266
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 4: Backs, ironically as it is that this team's going to

1267
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: be a dumpster fire, I think both running backs are

1268
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 4: actually worth investing in because both can you know, contribute

1269
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: in the passing game.

1270
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, we love them love uh love Connor and

1271
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: uh and Mark He's Brown as well.

1272
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: Those are my two guys.

1273
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 3: What about you?

1274
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark Heath Brown, James Connor and Keante Ingram. I

1275
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 4: think those are the three players I'm investing the most from.

1276
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: The overvalue guys or busts.

1277
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 4: Rondell Moore just that way too high, just based on

1278
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 4: this shit show and the new system. I don't think

1279
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a good fit for him. I think

1280
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 4: he's being overdrafted.

1281
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah for me, it's I mean, Kyra, I'm not interested

1282
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 3: in at that prize. I just it's just I don't

1283
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: want to stash him. I don't want to Like, he

1284
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 3: wasn't good last year, he lost his top receiver. Uh,

1285
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 3: there's even a slight chance he might not play all

1286
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 3: year if they're really bad. Uh. And Uh Trey McBride,

1287
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think he should be going tight

1288
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: end toy. I just don't think he showed enough, especially

1289
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: with er ert is gonna come back at some point,

1290
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: you know, so you know, and it's not like you know,

1291
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 3: this is not a team that you expect a lot

1292
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: of passing touchdowns from anyway, especially early when Ertz could

1293
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: be out.

1294
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: So I don't always see a pass for McBride.

1295
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 3: Hitting that, you know, top twenty four tight end adp

1296
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 3: and and Greg Dorts as well. He's still going inside

1297
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 3: the top one hundred. Like again, you know, Pascal is

1298
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: getting like guaranteed money and Doors is not. So George,

1299
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 3: could you know, be back just on special teams.

1300
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: This is a whole new regime.

1301
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 4: So uh.

1302
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 3: And they you know, they drafted a receiver they have

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Speaker 3: they got no guaranteed money for Doors, so and they

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Speaker 3: signed pass school.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm mount on him as well. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he should be getting drafted at all all.

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Speaker 2: Right, over under four and half wins, real quick and.

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Speaker 1: A half wins, I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Under, yeah, same like you never like to do it

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Speaker 2: with those.

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Speaker 1: But I can't believe the market already held on to

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Speaker 1: the Texans too. I saw there up to like six

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Speaker 1: and a half. I've wanted to get I should have

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Speaker 1: got them, but I hate investing like way too early.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you know what I mean. But I

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Speaker 1: would have loved to get the Texans at five and

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Speaker 1: a half. But yeah, that is gonna do it.

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