Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the
Speaker 1: Studio on I Heart Radio. My name is Jordan run Tug,
Speaker 1: But enough about me, let's talk about my guest. She's
Speaker 1: an immensely talented singer songwriter who's refused her passion for
Speaker 1: country music with her passion for grunge. You can get
Speaker 1: a taste with her new six track EP One of
Speaker 1: These Days, which features her empowering new single more Me,
Speaker 1: and recent favorites like the euphoric Sweetheart and the deeply
Speaker 1: personal title track, and if you still want more, I
Speaker 1: encourage you to check her out on TikTok, where she
Speaker 1: has plenty more songs that are as hilarious as they
Speaker 1: are catching. There's a cautionary tale about a man with
Speaker 1: a mullet, and my personal favorite, a track called Sherlock
Speaker 1: Holme Wrecker, which, for my money, would do the Dixie
Speaker 1: Tricks proud. I'm so happy to welcome Sophia Scott Well
Speaker 1: first and foremost. Your new song more Me came out
Speaker 1: a few days ago, and I love it so much
Speaker 1: for so many reasons, not least of all that introduced
Speaker 1: me to the phrase small truck energy, which we gotta
Speaker 1: get on a t shirt or something that's so good.
Speaker 1: Um right, yeah. Um, you said it's a song for
Speaker 1: anybody who needs to find themselves again, which is such
Speaker 1: a great message. Tell me about where that song came
Speaker 1: from for you. Yeah. Well, first I was going to
Speaker 1: say that maybe I'm not supposed to say this yet,
Speaker 1: but it is being on it. It's coming on a
Speaker 1: T shirt. Send you one. Yeah, Um, although it's gonna
Speaker 1: say big truck energy, so I guess you'd probably sell more. Yes, yes, yes, yes, anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: that song is cool because um it actually, although I
Speaker 1: do tell it from my own point of view, in
Speaker 1: my own perspective, it's actually from it transpired from a
Speaker 1: conversation that I had with a girlfriend one night. We
Speaker 1: were sitting and drinking wine on her couch and she
Speaker 1: she was in sort of a toxic relationship in which
Speaker 1: I feel like she was being controlled more or less,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, we we were just talking
Speaker 1: a lot about it, and I think she was kind
Speaker 1: of at the end of her rope, and she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just need a lot less him and
Speaker 1: a lot more me. And I was like, that's a song.
Speaker 1: And I was actually going into the studio like a
Speaker 1: few days later, and so I wrote that, and I
Speaker 1: wanted it to be really fun and kind of not
Speaker 1: like a diss on him, but you know, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a female empowerment song, and yeah, I think I don't know,
Speaker 1: I hope that it's relatable. I mean, I I although
Speaker 1: it's told from her perspective, I think that many people
Speaker 1: know that feeling of just losing yourself in a relationship
Speaker 1: with somebody else and needing to kind of maybe find
Speaker 1: who you are again and get that boundary of how
Speaker 1: much is, you know, time for the relationship versus how
Speaker 1: much just for myself. Yeah, that's a really it's a
Speaker 1: tough thing to learn, it is. Yeah. Sure, Um, you've
Speaker 1: debuted a number of just amazing songs on TikTok. Sherlock
Speaker 1: Holme record is a favorite of mine, But Mullet over
Speaker 1: it is just donny, I mean, an ode to either
Speaker 1: an ode or a cautionary tale. I can't really tell
Speaker 1: which about a man with an F one fifty and
Speaker 1: a mullet What are your plans for all these songs?
Speaker 1: I'm just so blown away by how I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: somebody who's never written a song in his life, so
Speaker 1: this is just like sorcery to me, you have all
Speaker 1: these songs, what are your plans for some of the
Speaker 1: ones that are living on TikTok? Now? Are they slated
Speaker 1: for a future EP, future album or so many of them?
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot. I'm actually so happy I
Speaker 1: answered or you asked me this question because I feel
Speaker 1: like everybody's for the TikTok audience, especially because they're like,
Speaker 1: where the hell are all these songs? Um? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I I have plans to release. I can't say all
Speaker 1: of them right now, but a large majority of them.
Speaker 1: There is an album coming, and my debut EP comes
Speaker 1: out next week, so some of them are on there,
Speaker 1: and then some are still to come. It's just hard,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like people don't realize just how
Speaker 1: much goes into like actually putting a song out and
Speaker 1: all that, and so then I I've kind of tried
Speaker 1: to scale it back now with releasing all the demos
Speaker 1: because I feel like now I have angry fans that
Speaker 1: are like, how is it all? They are so great?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm glad you like Mullet, one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I did get some angry um men with Mullets that
Speaker 1: did not like these songs so much. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a dis on mullets. It's just a it's
Speaker 1: a it's a guy. It's just on a guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I actually love mullets, so I wanted
Speaker 1: to be said that I love mullets. Speaking of just
Speaker 1: this incredible wealth of music you have, not too far back,
Speaker 1: you released another single One of these Days, which is
Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous song. I know it's a very special long
Speaker 1: for you from a very personal place. Can you tell
Speaker 1: me a little bit about that track. It sounds like
Speaker 1: it was something that was kind of, uh in the
Speaker 1: works for for years. He wrote that years ago, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: well you've done your research. Um, I appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate your music. Thank you. Um So Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wrote that song almost like four years ago actually, and
Speaker 1: I've I've been holding it in my back pocket, I
Speaker 1: guess because it is so personal and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: since writing it really opened up a door to my
Speaker 1: songwriting as far as like being able to become vulnerable.
Speaker 1: I think I had written a lot of breakup songs
Speaker 1: that sort of scratched the surface of you know, going
Speaker 1: into that, but I had never it's very scary as
Speaker 1: a songwriter to actually go deep and talk about things
Speaker 1: that might make some relationships in your life uncomfortable. Um,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Um, you know, just this song
Speaker 1: talks about my parents divorce, and for a really long time,
Speaker 1: I was so scared to play it for them, even
Speaker 1: though it's not you know, it's not dashing really either
Speaker 1: of them. It's just talking about a personal experience that
Speaker 1: I had with that. And I think I have realized,
Speaker 1: especially through writing it. And and that's only really one
Speaker 1: aspect of the song. The song is about a lot
Speaker 1: more than that, but that's the first verse. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, music to me growing up has always been
Speaker 1: a healing that's something that can help heal me, you know,
Speaker 1: or just at least make me feel less alone. And
Speaker 1: when other songwriters or just other artists that I love
Speaker 1: are willing to go there and willing to go to
Speaker 1: that vulnerial place and talk about, you know, some real stuff,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I I, for whatever reason that day,
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta go there. I gotta like,
Speaker 1: I gotta do it. It's like my therapy. And and
Speaker 1: I hadn't I had never written with either of these
Speaker 1: two other songwriters who I wrote co wrote it with
Speaker 1: and they were like, let's like talk about some real
Speaker 1: ship basically, and I was like yeah, and um, so
Speaker 1: we ended up writing that. And I think the song
Speaker 1: really has become this like because yes, the first verse
Speaker 1: is about my parents, but then it it's about my
Speaker 1: own realization with just love and life in my own
Speaker 1: breakups and you know, then into my career and just
Speaker 1: how you know. I think I hate saying everything happens
Speaker 1: for a reason because I don't know that that's necessarily
Speaker 1: the message, but but that there's through any difficult situation
Speaker 1: that you go through, there's growth and their strength on
Speaker 1: the other side, and you know you you can come
Speaker 1: out of it. And I think it's it's become my
Speaker 1: personal reminder of just knowing that I can. I can
Speaker 1: do anything, and I can I can find strength through
Speaker 1: any sort of bad situation I go through. I almost
Speaker 1: got the sense that it was like the flip side
Speaker 1: of your song Sweetheart in a way. I mean, the
Speaker 1: one of these days it's all about the hard times,
Speaker 1: and then Sweethearts kind of all about the good stuff
Speaker 1: that can come the other side of it. Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: it's funny because that so that actually leads me into
Speaker 1: why I called the record or the EPs is called
Speaker 1: One of these Days also, um, and I kind of
Speaker 1: decided after going back and forth through a million different
Speaker 1: titles and trying to figure out what I wanted to
Speaker 1: call the project, we landed on One of these Days
Speaker 1: because I think all the other songs fit into that
Speaker 1: same message. And Sweetheart, you know, is the second verse
Speaker 1: of One of these Days, essentially like shrilled into one,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. You know, it's about my high
Speaker 1: school sweetheart, and you know, just wishing wishing him well
Speaker 1: and knowing that there's I don't know that your first
Speaker 1: love is a complicated thing, but also I think a
Speaker 1: wonderful thing, and you learned so many lessons from that situation.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I wanted to we put it
Speaker 1: out around Valentine's Day, and I wanted to like just
Speaker 1: basically give an ode to all sweethearts and all first
Speaker 1: loves and wishing them well and knowing that although it
Speaker 1: didn't work out, you know, we can still appreciate it
Speaker 1: for what it was and still see the sweet in
Speaker 1: the sweethearts, you know. Oh, absolutely, I hope everybody looks
Speaker 1: back on their first you know, love fondly and it
Speaker 1: has that because that's such a special thing for me,
Speaker 1: and I think of how much I learned and how
Speaker 1: you know, special they still are to mean, wherever they are,
Speaker 1: I have no idea where they are right now, but
Speaker 1: I still, you know, think about them from time to
Speaker 1: time and it's yeah, No, I think that's a that's
Speaker 1: a wonderful place to be at. And I hope that
Speaker 1: people have that. I'll call it a gift, you know,
Speaker 1: that to look back on that time in their life
Speaker 1: and that person in their life fondly. Totally. Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1: I but one of these days maybe what an incredible
Speaker 1: song I love. I love the two versions you have
Speaker 1: the uh I think you called it the sad piano
Speaker 1: version of a st down version of it too, But
Speaker 1: it's it's it's such an amazing song. And I was curious,
Speaker 1: and I love asking songwriters this because I always get
Speaker 1: a different answer. Do you ever learn something about yourself?
Speaker 1: When having finished the song and heard it back? I
Speaker 1: liken it to like a dream reading. Do you ever
Speaker 1: hear the song back? And I said like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is this is what I meant by this. I
Speaker 1: didn't know it at the time, But I honestly have
Speaker 1: chills because I just was talking about this the other day.
Speaker 1: Like with songs that I wrote three years ago, I'll
Speaker 1: be like, I'll listen to and I'll be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's like I didn't even know what I
Speaker 1: was talking about when I wrote it, but it was
Speaker 1: like I got it out and now listening back, I'm like, this,
Speaker 1: this is more real to me than it than it
Speaker 1: was when I wrote it, if that makes sense, Like
Speaker 1: three years later somehow it's like, oh, now this actually
Speaker 1: makes more sense than it did when I wrote it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that's possible, but yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it means something new. I guess, oh totally.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like in dreams, you kind of disguise
Speaker 1: whatever it is you're going through in other people their pictures,
Speaker 1: other scenes, whatever it is, and then you need to
Speaker 1: get some perspective from it to read into the metaphors
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. I guess it's so interesting completely well,
Speaker 1: and I think that even like you know, I think
Speaker 1: not that history repeats itself, but it's like you go
Speaker 1: through cycles of life, and so these songs that you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't necessarily correlate to what you're going through
Speaker 1: in this specific time. They will at another time in
Speaker 1: your life when you're going through it again or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great point. Yeah. We we definitely have
Speaker 1: patterns that we return to and behaviors relationships, some good,
Speaker 1: some bad. But for sure, is writing daily practice for
Speaker 1: you like some people jog or do yoga. Is it's
Speaker 1: something that that you do every day. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I do it every day, whether whether I'm in an
Speaker 1: actual writing session. I do writing sessions. At least I was,
Speaker 1: like in the past six months, I was writing like
Speaker 1: four or five times a week, which ended up being
Speaker 1: a little bit too much, especially once I had like
Speaker 1: the music and I kind of had to take a
Speaker 1: step back for a minute and live my life so
Speaker 1: that I had things to write about. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, whether whether it's an actual writing session where
Speaker 1: I'm going in with the intention of writing a full song,
Speaker 1: or just like I voiced memo stuff every day, or
Speaker 1: like little titles will come to me inspiring like quotes
Speaker 1: or just like phrases or whatever it is will come
Speaker 1: to me, or if it's just like a feeling that
Speaker 1: I don't want to forget so that I you know,
Speaker 1: because I always find that when the inspiration hits or
Speaker 1: like when lightning strikes, I guess, as they say, it's
Speaker 1: be come really important for me to sit down and
Speaker 1: write it because sometimes, or like in the past, I
Speaker 1: would be like in the middle of doing something and
Speaker 1: have this creative moment or creative feeling of inspiration and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'll just come back to it. I
Speaker 1: won't forget it. But it's so different when you come
Speaker 1: back to it, you don't you don't have the same
Speaker 1: emotion into writing it. So I feel like it's very important.
Speaker 1: And I feel like any writer, songwriter, or just like author,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, would maybe say the same thing. It's
Speaker 1: like when it comes, write it down and like get
Speaker 1: the feelings out, because I think that's when it's the
Speaker 1: most valuable and the most emotional and real. What is
Speaker 1: that that flash look like to you? Is it? Is
Speaker 1: it a melody in your head? Is it a feeling?
Speaker 1: Is it a fragment of lyric? Is it all the above?
Speaker 1: Is it all the above at different times? What does
Speaker 1: that look like? It's different at different times. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy. Like recently it's been happening to
Speaker 1: me in dreams, which has never happened before. But I'll
Speaker 1: have like lyrics or concepts come to me or or melodies,
Speaker 1: and I've I've heard Taylor Swift talk about this before
Speaker 1: and I was always like, that's so crazy, and I
Speaker 1: was I was like, I feel like I've manifested it
Speaker 1: into happening for me because it's it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's cool, but yeah, so so I've been I would
Speaker 1: call it like my it's not a dream journal because
Speaker 1: I just put it in my phone, but my phone
Speaker 1: journal of dreams entrees. I guess um that, Like just
Speaker 1: the other night, I had this concept come to me
Speaker 1: and I woke up from a dream and I just
Speaker 1: wrote it down right away, because otherwise, if you don't
Speaker 1: do it, you forget it. And so sometimes, yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like a melody. Sometimes it's a concept. It happens
Speaker 1: a lot when I'm driving, like things will just come
Speaker 1: to me. I feel like, for when I'm flying in
Speaker 1: an airplane, I feel like there's something very ominous. I
Speaker 1: don't know there's I don't like there's a reason. I
Speaker 1: feel like people cry when they're up in the air.
Speaker 1: It's just like you're very vulnerable, yes, and you're untethered.
Speaker 1: And I mean, at least if you're me, you're terrified
Speaker 1: because I hate flying, but you're just yeah, you're you're
Speaker 1: not connected, totally, totally. Yeah, And and so I think
Speaker 1: it looks different. It happens in various ways, but um,
Speaker 1: when it does happen, it's it's it's cool. And I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just trying to really get into the pattern
Speaker 1: of making sure that I write it down when it
Speaker 1: does happen, because I have found that when I don't,
Speaker 1: I forget it and then it doesn't have the same value.
Speaker 1: Paul Cartney talks a lot about that. He's he's one
Speaker 1: of my my favorite, one of my favorite human beings.
Speaker 1: And he talks a lot about how he wrote yesterday
Speaker 1: if he woke up with just that melody in his
Speaker 1: head and he wrote let it Be from a dream
Speaker 1: from his his late mother coming to him, and I
Speaker 1: love that. I love those stories. Oh wow, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that about let it Be. That's cool. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's so interesting to see that the role of
Speaker 1: subconscious plays in songwriting is just so cool to me.
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting. Yeah, you know, Prince always
Speaker 1: talks about and I've heard other people like Jim Morrison
Speaker 1: used to always say, um that like it feels sometimes
Speaker 1: he feels like the heavens are just or whether it's
Speaker 1: the heavens or the universe or whatever coming through him
Speaker 1: and he's like it's not. He would he would say,
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't even me writing it. It was
Speaker 1: like someone coming through me and writing this song and
Speaker 1: it just came out and it's like it was like
Speaker 1: it was meant to be. Like basically, you're like this
Speaker 1: vessel of creativity from whatever other universe or you know,
Speaker 1: things out there, which I always thought was so cool.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for that moment too. It's so it will happen,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean, it's just yeah, I really
Speaker 1: do think that. I mean, music has been such a
Speaker 1: part of human history seemingly since the beginning, and people
Speaker 1: talk about it being some kind of linked to the divine,
Speaker 1: and you know, as as music fans, you're tempted to
Speaker 1: believe that, you know. I mean, there's something I want
Speaker 1: to ask you, what kind of role does storytelling play
Speaker 1: on your music? Because I know that's not a necessity
Speaker 1: for a hit, but I get the sense that for
Speaker 1: you that a good story is just as important is
Speaker 1: a good melody. Yeah. Well, I mean in my day
Speaker 1: to day life, I'm a storyteller, for better or for worse.
Speaker 1: My friends would tell you, like, for the longest time,
Speaker 1: I was going to call the EP long story short
Speaker 1: because it's a joke with my friends that I'll be like,
Speaker 1: long story short and then I'll tell the longest story
Speaker 1: ever and yeah, thank you. Well it might well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see it might be used in another way, but um,
Speaker 1: thank you. I yeah, I am very much a storyteller.
Speaker 1: I think that that's what drew me to country music
Speaker 1: more than anything else, is the stories that you know
Speaker 1: are told through country music, like unlike any other genre.
Speaker 1: I think country music has the best stories, and you know,
Speaker 1: from as long as it goes back, you know, they
Speaker 1: were taught, you know, I guess, and and like when
Speaker 1: I was growing up listening to those stories is the
Speaker 1: thing that that's where like, that's the thing that invokes
Speaker 1: the most feeling and the thing that I think can
Speaker 1: really help people, I guess, is hearing a full story
Speaker 1: and seeing how it can relate to their own lives
Speaker 1: or or in some way shape or form or just
Speaker 1: to hear the story is is really cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that while my while my production is maybe
Speaker 1: a little more pop sole leaning, the sticking to the
Speaker 1: storyteller aspect is very important to me. And it's just yes,
Speaker 1: the way I like to write. Have there been some
Speaker 1: artists that you know that made you see the power
Speaker 1: of storytelling and songs? I know you mentioned people like
Speaker 1: Shania Twain in the past and Atlanta's more set completely
Speaker 1: and I actually I never bring this one up, but
Speaker 1: Don Henley is a very big inspo for me, and
Speaker 1: I feel like his his storytelling. I mean he's not
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say country artist, but he is a great
Speaker 1: storyteller and just a great lyricist. And I think, um,
Speaker 1: he's just someone that can tell a story in such
Speaker 1: a way. I mean Joni Mitchell too, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like there's just deep meaning and metaphors in what they
Speaker 1: write about and just a way that's like it's just
Speaker 1: it makes you feel less alone in the world or
Speaker 1: something I don't know, and and so I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just a very important also aspect of music for
Speaker 1: me and sharing my own music is is that you
Speaker 1: know what I was talking about one of these days earlier,
Speaker 1: and just the fear of talking about my parents going
Speaker 1: through a divorce and having them hear it. Which when
Speaker 1: I did play it for them, they were they loved
Speaker 1: it and they were completely fine with it and it
Speaker 1: was all okay. But had I had a song like
Speaker 1: that growing up to listen to when I was going
Speaker 1: through it would have been so helpful. And so I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, that's what I meant by music
Speaker 1: being able to heal, just help us in any ways.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, man, it's like that. Ever see Almost Famous?
Speaker 1: Oh please, my favorite? You know we never you get lonely,
Speaker 1: go down to the record store, you see your friends.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that we all had that period
Speaker 1: in our lives, and I think there's a little piece
Speaker 1: of us that's still has that. You know us too,
Speaker 1: it's we connect the music in that way completely. Oh
Speaker 1: that's the best movie. Oh my god. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's I mean, you know, I'm a music journalist and
Speaker 1: that that movie is probably se Yeah, yeah, I mean probably.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm not alone in that, but uh yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: But have you had the chance to meet or perform
Speaker 1: with with any of these these formative figures in your
Speaker 1: musical development. I know you were just on the Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson Show recently, so that that's that story is cool
Speaker 1: actually because um, one of these days when I wrote it, Um,
Speaker 1: we for whatever reason, they wanted that they really liked
Speaker 1: the song, and they were like, do you mind if
Speaker 1: we pitch this Kelly Clarkson is looking for us song
Speaker 1: and Kelly Clarkson's looking and I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was such a personal song to me. But also
Speaker 1: I was like, but if Kelly Clarkson wants it, let's go.
Speaker 1: Um and so or like we'll see. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I feel bad saying that now
Speaker 1: because it is like my song, and but but I
Speaker 1: you know, Kelly Clarkson is one of my biggest heroes
Speaker 1: and long time, like I don't know, she's the American idol,
Speaker 1: so uh, you know, for more than one way. But
Speaker 1: but anyway, she ended up turning it down because and
Speaker 1: I guess she said, like this song is it's it's
Speaker 1: too personal, like I can't sing it, like I can
Speaker 1: tell that it's a person, this girl should sing it.
Speaker 1: And so when she came when I came on the
Speaker 1: show and she saw that I was like on the
Speaker 1: guest list. She I guess remembered the song and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is so cool this this girl pitched me the
Speaker 1: song like however long ago. So it was a really
Speaker 1: cool full circle moment. Oh my god, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um yeah, it was cool for sure, especially
Speaker 1: just because she is such a such an inspiration to me. UM.
Speaker 1: But yes, to answer your question, I UM, I got
Speaker 1: to perform uh last summer with Kelsey Ballerini and the
Speaker 1: Jonas Brothers, which was really freaking cool. And then I
Speaker 1: also got to write with egg Usalia and um was
Speaker 1: on her most recent album and she ended up featuring
Speaker 1: me on one of the songs. And then she was
Speaker 1: featured on one of my songs, which was really cool
Speaker 1: and something I never anticipated happening at all because you know,
Speaker 1: country and wrap, but now once I guess, it's happening,
Speaker 1: and it's happening more often than not. Now, this is
Speaker 1: such a a question that I'm it's such a boring question,
Speaker 1: so curious how you answered. Given all your different influence,
Speaker 1: did you have any dream collaborators, like people that you're
Speaker 1: just dying to sing with, work with, write a song with, anything,
Speaker 1: so many, so many. I mean I could the list
Speaker 1: could go on. But I mean, justin Timberlake is a
Speaker 1: big one, just because I feel like he has such
Speaker 1: the country pop thing and I just think he's such
Speaker 1: a legend and I love all his music. Um. Rihanna
Speaker 1: is one just because I adore her and wish I
Speaker 1: was her. UM. And then you know, I think Shania
Speaker 1: Twain would be a huge one. UM. She's like I
Speaker 1: feel like, if I the new music that I've been writing,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very nineties country Shanai a reminiscent.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's that's definitely a big dream.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Rihanna. I have to say your version of
Speaker 1: Love on the Brain so good, so good. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's like a totally underappreciated song of hers too.
Speaker 1: I love that song. I couldn't agree more. I think
Speaker 1: it's one of her very best. It's just so good.
Speaker 1: I love that whole album. Yeah, Anti, Yeah, Oh my
Speaker 1: god's good covered like Tame and Paul and stuff. That's
Speaker 1: the best. I love that album. I I think I
Speaker 1: speak for the whole world when I'm when I say
Speaker 1: that we want more Rihanna music. Yes, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I you're I mean that the songs that you used
Speaker 1: to cover, they're just so interesting because there they are
Speaker 1: so very I mean, you've got John Mary had Arianna Grande, TLC,
Speaker 1: the Chain Smokers. I mean, how do you have any
Speaker 1: ones on the hori Ezes and that you're just you know,
Speaker 1: in the pipeline that really want to cover. I want
Speaker 1: to do some more. Casey Musgraves, she's you know, that's
Speaker 1: another person I'd love to collaborate with along with Oh.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't mention Chris Stapleton because I've
Speaker 1: covered so many of Yeah, but yeah, I I think, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to get back in my cover game. I was.
Speaker 1: I was doing so many so like a while ago,
Speaker 1: and now I've just been so focused on the original music.
Speaker 1: But it is so fun to do those covers and
Speaker 1: to just make them your own. I've been I've been
Speaker 1: trying to learn on guitar. It's it's pretty hard to
Speaker 1: play for me, which I'm not a great shop player,
Speaker 1: but I can get by. Um, but James Taylor, Um,
Speaker 1: you've got a friend. Yeah, his stuff is hard because
Speaker 1: it like sounds simple, but like when you try to
Speaker 1: do it, it makes no sense. Yeah, and it's all
Speaker 1: like weird tuning. Yeah, I mean I I can. I
Speaker 1: can play the very uh dumbed down simplified version, but
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like, actually, sure it's amazing. It's I
Speaker 1: promise it's not. But yeah, but yeah, that one soon
Speaker 1: to come. So yeah, keep an eye out for you.
Speaker 1: Got a friend azing. Um, I have a really weird question.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hang up on me for this question? I
Speaker 1: have read. I saw an interview recently where you said
Speaker 1: that you were a cessed with ghost stories and having seances.
Speaker 1: I got to hear about this. I need my My
Speaker 1: step mom is a raicky master and and does drum
Speaker 1: journeys and things of that nature. So I got to
Speaker 1: hear some sance stories. I am so into this. God,
Speaker 1: I mean, I will not hang up on you. You'll
Speaker 1: I'll be calling you in the middle of the night. No,
Speaker 1: I this is my when my when I said I
Speaker 1: was a storyteller, these are the types of stories that
Speaker 1: I love to tell because I well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I might get in trouble for this, but I I
Speaker 1: swear and I've always known, at least believed that I
Speaker 1: have a sixth sense because I've had just so many
Speaker 1: weird things happened to me, um, like ever since I
Speaker 1: was little, and I've just like been oddly obsessed with
Speaker 1: ghosts and scary I mean ghost and scary movies. But
Speaker 1: then I went through a phase of like every single
Speaker 1: weekend having a seance and like trying to do like
Speaker 1: light is a feather, stiff as a board, like levitating
Speaker 1: and like all that stuff and like just weird. My
Speaker 1: point where my parents were like maybe concerned, but no,
Speaker 1: like I've just had I feel like there's there's just
Speaker 1: been plenty of instances where I can walk into a
Speaker 1: room and be like this place is haunted, and I'm
Speaker 1: just I mean, I'm not going to tell the story
Speaker 1: now because I feel like it's maybe not the time,
Speaker 1: but offline, sorry, I'll tell you a really weird story
Speaker 1: that happened to me um in my grandma's house when
Speaker 1: I was growing up. Okay, well we'll say that we'll revisit.
Speaker 1: But to bring it to bring it back to to
Speaker 1: the music, is there a I guess you kind of
Speaker 1: touched on this earlier talking about Prince's view of music,
Speaker 1: but do you is there a superstitious element to your
Speaker 1: writing do you is there, Like it's got to be
Speaker 1: this time of day, it's going to be in this room,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this instrument. I gotta have a cup
Speaker 1: of tea. You know what, whatever it is, there's superstitions
Speaker 1: for you. Like when it comes to um for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't say as much as UM when
Speaker 1: I were so like I have weird things with time,
Speaker 1: like like I mean, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are like do the eleven eleven thing. But then I
Speaker 1: started doing this weird thing with eleven twelve where I
Speaker 1: felt like, like when I used to record my covers,
Speaker 1: this is so bizarre, but it's a good question. Um,
Speaker 1: Like when I used to when I know I'm saying,
Speaker 1: when I used to record covers, I would like be
Speaker 1: obsessive because I'm a perfectionist, and I would just obsessively
Speaker 1: like do them over and over and over until like
Speaker 1: they were clearly getting worse because like my voice was
Speaker 1: getting more tired. But then like if for some reason
Speaker 1: the song would end, like if the cover would last
Speaker 1: like to one minute in eleven minutes or like to
Speaker 1: twenty two or three thirty three, and it was like
Speaker 1: all lined up, I just have a weird thing with
Speaker 1: like angel numbers, So I'd be like, I would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the one because it's the timing was three thirty three,
Speaker 1: so that has to be it. And I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a sign from like the universe telling me that
Speaker 1: that's that's the cover I'm supposed to choose. It's so weird.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so like I have weird things with time,
Speaker 1: and like my song, my most recent single, more Me
Speaker 1: Is is two is two minutes and twenty two seconds long,
Speaker 1: and so I was like obsessed with that, and so
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that for whatever reason, like that's the song
Speaker 1: because it's two and it's We're in two and so
Speaker 1: you know, so all these things. Yeah, and and two
Speaker 1: two two is like an angel number. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just have a weird things numbers. Are you a rabbit
Speaker 1: rabbit person or rabbit rabbit rabbit depending on your school
Speaker 1: per sex? And also that I won't if I if
Speaker 1: I talk before is that that's that's what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. That's the first words out of your mouth
Speaker 1: to the point where I will. I would like stay
Speaker 1: up until midnight if I knew it was coming, so
Speaker 1: that I would make sure to say it so that
Speaker 1: it was good luck for the rest of the month. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess my, my my last questions was such a
Speaker 1: joy talking. I want to take up too much more
Speaker 1: your time. But I might might have mentioned this earlier.
Speaker 1: I am somebody who I love music with all my heart,
Speaker 1: and I have never in my life been able to
Speaker 1: actually write a song. I can play a number of
Speaker 1: different instruments, it just isn't It's just something I've never
Speaker 1: been able to tap into it myself. And I was
Speaker 1: just wondering. I'm sure there's a lot of people out
Speaker 1: there that I feel that same way, and also probably think,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm never gonna I'm never gonna make
Speaker 1: a living out of it. So why should I bother?
Speaker 1: Why should I try to write a song and kind
Speaker 1: of talk themselves out of it? Which I think is
Speaker 1: very sad. I always wanted to ask you for somebody
Speaker 1: like me who's having a hard time at age thirty
Speaker 1: four getting started writing, Um, what would you say? How
Speaker 1: would you you help people like me sort of break
Speaker 1: on through and and express themselves musically? Well, I I
Speaker 1: bought a really good book called I think it's called
Speaker 1: The Art of the art of music or the art
Speaker 1: of writing. I forget what it is, but it's like
Speaker 1: a beginner songwriting book. And I know there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of them now out um, but there there are a
Speaker 1: bunch of like and I'm sure you can even just
Speaker 1: google it, but there are like good ways that you
Speaker 1: can basically just like start like as a beginners if
Speaker 1: you if you don't know where to begin or how
Speaker 1: to like figure out a concept or what you can do.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of great tools
Speaker 1: online or in bookstores wherever, um that will help you
Speaker 1: sort of like step by step go through the formula
Speaker 1: I guess of starting to write a song. And I
Speaker 1: think I find those to be very helpful. I mean
Speaker 1: I've used them a lot, I think even if I'm
Speaker 1: even if I'm stuck, because you know, I get writer's
Speaker 1: blocked all the time. And that's why I said, like
Speaker 1: I had to stop writing for a minute. Oh all,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it doesn't. That's why I was saying, like,
Speaker 1: when the creative moments happen, that's when I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I gotta do it, because especially in country where it's
Speaker 1: so concept driven and there's all these like twists, especially
Speaker 1: like at the end of the choruses, there's like these
Speaker 1: brilliant twists, and so then I get very obsessed with
Speaker 1: finding those, Oh, let me find this play on words like,
Speaker 1: for instance, Casey Musgraves space cowboy. You can have your
Speaker 1: space cowboy, you know, like genius things like that that
Speaker 1: I get so mad that I didn't write that song.
Speaker 1: But you know, I get obsessed with that, and then
Speaker 1: I can't even write and I write anything because I'm
Speaker 1: like obsessed with the concept of it. Um So I think, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I take a lot of notes in my phone,
Speaker 1: so I feel like anytime you feel like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: that could be like a cool title, you know, like
Speaker 1: my friend Adam and I all the time will be
Speaker 1: in conversation and he'll he'll say something and then we're
Speaker 1: both like, is that a song? Is that a song?
Speaker 1: And so we just have like this this list. We
Speaker 1: have now an absurd list of just like I think
Speaker 1: it's like I don't even know how long, but of
Speaker 1: just potential concepts or titles or whatever. And and then
Speaker 1: when we actually do end up sitting down and writing,
Speaker 1: we'll go through it and be like, Okay, what one
Speaker 1: would make the most sense and how could we make
Speaker 1: this like what would the story be here? Basically? So
Speaker 1: like Sweetheart, for example, that came from I Still see
Speaker 1: the sweet in your Sweetheart, and we he and I
Speaker 1: wrote that together. And I think just sitting down and
Speaker 1: talking to so I would encourage you to also maybe
Speaker 1: find someone else to write with. It's really helpful to
Speaker 1: co write. Um. I always think two heads are better
Speaker 1: than one. And UM, so yeah, if you have, you know,
Speaker 1: somewhere to start, I think that's going through those tools
Speaker 1: and like it'll help you be like here's an idea,
Speaker 1: let's now web it into what this could be and
Speaker 1: how we could bring a story out of this, and
Speaker 1: now write down three you know, senses that come from
Speaker 1: this word, and then you know you can kind of
Speaker 1: like directed into that and then I don't do play
Speaker 1: an instrument for me badly, Yeah, but but that's that's
Speaker 1: the start. And I mean you don't even need I
Speaker 1: mean I started out without any you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think you need accompaniment. You can just you know, make
Speaker 1: up melodies and I always voice note things into my phone,
Speaker 1: just little melodies, and then you can kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times the creative process is
Speaker 1: always different. But you know, a lot of times you'll
Speaker 1: just start with like a melody like lotty dotty dotty
Speaker 1: dotty do, and then you try to fit words into
Speaker 1: what could work for that melody. And there's so many
Speaker 1: different ways you can go, and so many people have
Speaker 1: different methods of how they start or start a song
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I think there's, yeah, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: If you google, like how to write a song, I
Speaker 1: bet you could find a million a million different ways
Speaker 1: and different tools and like what works for various people
Speaker 1: that could be helpful. I love the conversational element you
Speaker 1: mentioned because one of my one of my all time
Speaker 1: favorite records is pet Sounds by the Beach Boys, and
Speaker 1: so many of those songs were written just based on
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson and his lyricists would sit down and have
Speaker 1: these six hour conversations about life and love and everything,
Speaker 1: and that was where God only knows, or Caroline know,
Speaker 1: or wouldn't it be nice? Would all come from oh completely?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that is what I always say, is
Speaker 1: where so I have this song which is coming, I
Speaker 1: can mention it because it's going to be out this summer.
Speaker 1: It's called if I hadn't been drunk. And basically I
Speaker 1: was on a songwriting trip this this past winter with
Speaker 1: like five friends and we were up in Colorado and
Speaker 1: we had finished writing for the day and started drinking
Speaker 1: and eating. We were making dinner and we were all
Speaker 1: having wine and I think I can't remember who it
Speaker 1: was that said it, but I think maybe my friends
Speaker 1: Cecy and we were like someone said like, well, if
Speaker 1: I hadn't been drunk, I wouldn't have done this, and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, if I hadn't been drunk, I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have even like ended up hooking up with Barren,
Speaker 1: who's now my fiancee, and um, and then we were like, wait,
Speaker 1: is that a song? And we were all like, if
Speaker 1: I hadn't been drunk, I hadn't I wouldn't have done this,
Speaker 1: and I would have done this, And my friend Adam
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god and runs over and grabs
Speaker 1: the guitar and we're all like sitting at the dinner
Speaker 1: table and we were just like, Okay, what would the
Speaker 1: song be? And then like we all started writing it
Speaker 1: and it was That's the beauty to me of those
Speaker 1: writing trips too, is because that's that's how like, that's
Speaker 1: how the oldies people used to do it. You know,
Speaker 1: they would go to cabins. That's like you look at Queen,
Speaker 1: they go and you know all it all comes out
Speaker 1: of those real conversations. And that's what makes those songs
Speaker 1: so great because they're so relatable because they actually came
Speaker 1: out of thin air and they weren't people sitting around
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the best thing was. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of life in those songs. You're right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: led Zeppelin, Queen the Band, and Dylan moving up state
Speaker 1: to Woodstock and yeah, it's a totally Oh well, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take all of this advice to heart. Sofia,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for for your time today, and
Speaker 1: most importantly, thank you for your music. It's such a
Speaker 1: joy talking. Oh my gosh, you two that really really
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