WEBVTT - Sophia Scott 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.680 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.680 Studio on I Heart Radio. My name is Jordan run Tug, 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.479 But enough about me, let's talk about my guest. She's 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:14.120 an immensely talented singer songwriter who's refused her passion for 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.640 country music with her passion for grunge. You can get 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.919 a taste with her new six track EP One of 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.959 These Days, which features her empowering new single more Me, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.720 and recent favorites like the euphoric Sweetheart and the deeply 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.560 personal title track, and if you still want more, I 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:30.680 encourage you to check her out on TikTok, where she 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.919 has plenty more songs that are as hilarious as they 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.760 are catching. There's a cautionary tale about a man with 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.279 a mullet, and my personal favorite, a track called Sherlock 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.200 Holme Wrecker, which, for my money, would do the Dixie 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:49.800 Tricks proud. I'm so happy to welcome Sophia Scott Well 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:51.919 first and foremost. Your new song more Me came out 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.240 a few days ago, and I love it so much 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.680 for so many reasons, not least of all that introduced 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.520 me to the phrase small truck energy, which we gotta 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.600 get on a t shirt or something that's so good. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:07.080 Um right, yeah. Um, you said it's a song for 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.720 anybody who needs to find themselves again, which is such 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:11.680 a great message. Tell me about where that song came 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.320 from for you. Yeah. Well, first I was going to 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.640 say that maybe I'm not supposed to say this yet, 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.000 but it is being on it. It's coming on a 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:27.199 T shirt. Send you one. Yeah, Um, although it's gonna 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:36.600 say big truck energy, so I guess you'd probably sell more. Yes, yes, yes, yes, anyway, Um, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:42.600 that song is cool because um it actually, although I 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.120 do tell it from my own point of view, in 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.160 my own perspective, it's actually from it transpired from a 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.640 conversation that I had with a girlfriend one night. We 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:55.960 were sitting and drinking wine on her couch and she 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.440 she was in sort of a toxic relationship in which 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:04.200 I feel like she was being controlled more or less, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.840 and I think, you know, we we were just talking 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.200 a lot about it, and I think she was kind 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.960 of at the end of her rope, and she was like, 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.400 you know, I just need a lot less him and 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:18.040 a lot more me. And I was like, that's a song. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.240 And I was actually going into the studio like a 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.600 few days later, and so I wrote that, and I 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.440 wanted it to be really fun and kind of not 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.240 like a diss on him, but you know, yeah, it's 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.600 a female empowerment song, and yeah, I think I don't know, 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.359 I hope that it's relatable. I mean, I I although 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.000 it's told from her perspective, I think that many people 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.639 know that feeling of just losing yourself in a relationship 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.400 with somebody else and needing to kind of maybe find 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.640 who you are again and get that boundary of how 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.000 much is, you know, time for the relationship versus how 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.480 much just for myself. Yeah, that's a really it's a 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:01.520 tough thing to learn, it is. Yeah. Sure, Um, you've 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.239 debuted a number of just amazing songs on TikTok. Sherlock 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.720 Holme record is a favorite of mine, But Mullet over 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.760 it is just donny, I mean, an ode to either 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.880 an ode or a cautionary tale. I can't really tell 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.560 which about a man with an F one fifty and 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.000 a mullet What are your plans for all these songs? 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.639 I'm just so blown away by how I mean. I'm 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.440 somebody who's never written a song in his life, so 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.160 this is just like sorcery to me, you have all 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:29.960 these songs, what are your plans for some of the 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.560 ones that are living on TikTok? Now? Are they slated 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:37.040 for a future EP, future album or so many of them? 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.360 I know there's a lot. I'm actually so happy I 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.640 answered or you asked me this question because I feel 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.680 like everybody's for the TikTok audience, especially because they're like, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.160 where the hell are all these songs? Um? But yeah, 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:53.920 I I have plans to release. I can't say all 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.360 of them right now, but a large majority of them. 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:01.200 There is an album coming, and my debut EP comes 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.880 out next week, so some of them are on there, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.520 and then some are still to come. It's just hard, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.600 you know. I feel like people don't realize just how 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.040 much goes into like actually putting a song out and 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.000 all that, and so then I I've kind of tried 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.400 to scale it back now with releasing all the demos 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.200 because I feel like now I have angry fans that 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:24.560 are like, how is it all? They are so great? 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:30.159 But yeah, I'm glad you like Mullet, one of my favorites. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.400 I did get some angry um men with Mullets that 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.880 did not like these songs so much. But you know, 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.400 it's not a dis on mullets. It's just a it's 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.719 a it's a guy. It's just on a guy. Yeah. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.599 I was like, I actually love mullets, so I wanted 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:50.760 to be said that I love mullets. Speaking of just 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.800 this incredible wealth of music you have, not too far back, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.240 you released another single One of these Days, which is 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.240 absolutely gorgeous song. I know it's a very special long 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.160 for you from a very personal place. Can you tell 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:04.760 me a little bit about that track. It sounds like 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.039 it was something that was kind of, uh in the 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.440 works for for years. He wrote that years ago, right, yes, yes, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.080 well you've done your research. Um, I appreciate it. Yeah, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:19.240 I appreciate your music. Thank you. Um So Yeah, I 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.320 wrote that song almost like four years ago actually, and 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.640 I've I've been holding it in my back pocket, I 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.040 guess because it is so personal and I think, you know, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.960 since writing it really opened up a door to my 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.240 songwriting as far as like being able to become vulnerable. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.400 I think I had written a lot of breakup songs 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.320 that sort of scratched the surface of you know, going 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.320 into that, but I had never it's very scary as 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:52.320 a songwriter to actually go deep and talk about things 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:58.720 that might make some relationships in your life uncomfortable. Um, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.320 if that makes sense. Um, you know, just this song 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.799 talks about my parents divorce, and for a really long time, 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.280 I was so scared to play it for them, even 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.000 though it's not you know, it's not dashing really either 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.919 of them. It's just talking about a personal experience that 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:18.120 I had with that. And I think I have realized, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.480 especially through writing it. And and that's only really one 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.719 aspect of the song. The song is about a lot 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.760 more than that, but that's the first verse. And I think, 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.080 you know, music to me growing up has always been 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.400 a healing that's something that can help heal me, you know, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.600 or just at least make me feel less alone. And 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.920 when other songwriters or just other artists that I love 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.520 are willing to go there and willing to go to 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.440 that vulnerial place and talk about, you know, some real stuff, 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.120 I think, you know, I I, for whatever reason that day, 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.120 I was like, I gotta go there. I gotta like, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.800 I gotta do it. It's like my therapy. And and 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.120 I hadn't I had never written with either of these 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.800 two other songwriters who I wrote co wrote it with 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.480 and they were like, let's like talk about some real 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.880 ship basically, and I was like yeah, and um, so 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.640 we ended up writing that. And I think the song 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:18.320 really has become this like because yes, the first verse 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.800 is about my parents, but then it it's about my 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:26.080 own realization with just love and life in my own 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:30.000 breakups and you know, then into my career and just 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.840 how you know. I think I hate saying everything happens 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.640 for a reason because I don't know that that's necessarily 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:42.200 the message, but but that there's through any difficult situation 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.840 that you go through, there's growth and their strength on 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.680 the other side, and you know you you can come 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.400 out of it. And I think it's it's become my 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.160 personal reminder of just knowing that I can. I can 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.960 do anything, and I can I can find strength through 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.760 any sort of bad situation I go through. I almost 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.360 got the sense that it was like the flip side 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.760 of your song Sweetheart in a way. I mean, the 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.760 one of these days it's all about the hard times, 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.280 and then Sweethearts kind of all about the good stuff 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.440 that can come the other side of it. Yeah, Well 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:16.880 it's funny because that so that actually leads me into 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.920 why I called the record or the EPs is called 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.880 One of these Days also, um, and I kind of 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.600 decided after going back and forth through a million different 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.480 titles and trying to figure out what I wanted to 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.680 call the project, we landed on One of these Days 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.560 because I think all the other songs fit into that 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:41.080 same message. And Sweetheart, you know, is the second verse 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.480 of One of these Days, essentially like shrilled into one, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.240 if that makes sense. You know, it's about my high 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:50.800 school sweetheart, and you know, just wishing wishing him well 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.079 and knowing that there's I don't know that your first 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.920 love is a complicated thing, but also I think a 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.559 wonderful thing, and you learned so many lessons from that situation. 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.600 And I, you know, I wanted to we put it 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.760 out around Valentine's Day, and I wanted to like just 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.280 basically give an ode to all sweethearts and all first 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.680 loves and wishing them well and knowing that although it 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.960 didn't work out, you know, we can still appreciate it 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.800 for what it was and still see the sweet in 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:24.199 the sweethearts, you know. Oh, absolutely, I hope everybody looks 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.120 back on their first you know, love fondly and it 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.439 has that because that's such a special thing for me, 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.839 and I think of how much I learned and how 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.280 you know, special they still are to mean, wherever they are, 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.760 I have no idea where they are right now, but 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.880 I still, you know, think about them from time to 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.280 time and it's yeah, No, I think that's a that's 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.520 a wonderful place to be at. And I hope that 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.040 people have that. I'll call it a gift, you know, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.920 that to look back on that time in their life 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.200 and that person in their life fondly. Totally. Yep, I agree. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.120 I but one of these days maybe what an incredible 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.160 song I love. I love the two versions you have 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.840 the uh I think you called it the sad piano 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.400 version of a st down version of it too, But 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.000 it's it's it's such an amazing song. And I was curious, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.760 and I love asking songwriters this because I always get 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.079 a different answer. Do you ever learn something about yourself? 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.520 When having finished the song and heard it back? I 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.040 liken it to like a dream reading. Do you ever 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.240 hear the song back? And I said like, oh my god, 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.680 this is this is what I meant by this. I 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.160 didn't know it at the time, But I honestly have 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.760 chills because I just was talking about this the other day. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:32.360 Like with songs that I wrote three years ago, I'll 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.640 be like, I'll listen to and I'll be like, oh 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.560 my god, it's like I didn't even know what I 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.360 was talking about when I wrote it, but it was 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.359 like I got it out and now listening back, I'm like, this, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.480 this is more real to me than it than it 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.480 was when I wrote it, if that makes sense, Like 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:51.240 three years later somehow it's like, oh, now this actually 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.679 makes more sense than it did when I wrote it. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.360 I don't know how that's possible, but yeah, it's interesting. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:03.600 It's yeah, it means something new. I guess, oh totally. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.559 I mean it's like in dreams, you kind of disguise 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.480 whatever it is you're going through in other people their pictures, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.120 other scenes, whatever it is, and then you need to 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.400 get some perspective from it to read into the metaphors 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.520 or whatever it is. I guess it's so interesting completely well, 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.040 and I think that even like you know, I think 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.480 not that history repeats itself, but it's like you go 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.400 through cycles of life, and so these songs that you know, 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.640 maybe they don't necessarily correlate to what you're going through 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.480 in this specific time. They will at another time in 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.120 your life when you're going through it again or whatever. Yeah. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.440 Oh that's a great point. Yeah. We we definitely have 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.640 patterns that we return to and behaviors relationships, some good, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:12:00.920 some bad. But for sure, is writing daily practice for 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.040 you like some people jog or do yoga. Is it's 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.360 something that that you do every day. Yeah, I mean 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:11.079 I do it every day, whether whether I'm in an 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:15.280 actual writing session. I do writing sessions. At least I was, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.200 like in the past six months, I was writing like 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.760 four or five times a week, which ended up being 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.320 a little bit too much, especially once I had like 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:25.800 the music and I kind of had to take a 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.040 step back for a minute and live my life so 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.640 that I had things to write about. Um. But yeah, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.760 I mean, whether whether it's an actual writing session where 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.920 I'm going in with the intention of writing a full song, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.560 or just like I voiced memo stuff every day, or 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.040 like little titles will come to me inspiring like quotes 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.839 or just like phrases or whatever it is will come 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.320 to me, or if it's just like a feeling that 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.440 I don't want to forget so that I you know, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:56.200 because I always find that when the inspiration hits or 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.760 like when lightning strikes, I guess, as they say, it's 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:01.960 be come really important for me to sit down and 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.199 write it because sometimes, or like in the past, I 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.080 would be like in the middle of doing something and 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.880 have this creative moment or creative feeling of inspiration and 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.640 be like, oh, I'll just come back to it. I 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.600 won't forget it. But it's so different when you come 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.600 back to it, you don't you don't have the same 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.880 emotion into writing it. So I feel like it's very important. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.120 And I feel like any writer, songwriter, or just like author, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.400 whatever it is, would maybe say the same thing. It's 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.880 like when it comes, write it down and like get 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.160 the feelings out, because I think that's when it's the 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:37.000 most valuable and the most emotional and real. What is 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.320 that that flash look like to you? Is it? Is 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.240 it a melody in your head? Is it a feeling? 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.440 Is it a fragment of lyric? Is it all the above? 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.560 Is it all the above at different times? What does 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.600 that look like? It's different at different times. I think, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.960 you know, it's crazy. Like recently it's been happening to 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.480 me in dreams, which has never happened before. But I'll 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.319 have like lyrics or concepts come to me or or melodies, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.280 and I've I've heard Taylor Swift talk about this before 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.840 and I was always like, that's so crazy, and I 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:07.960 was I was like, I feel like I've manifested it 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.960 into happening for me because it's it's I don't know, 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.840 it's cool, but yeah, so so I've been I would 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.160 call it like my it's not a dream journal because 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.120 I just put it in my phone, but my phone 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:23.000 journal of dreams entrees. I guess um that, Like just 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.840 the other night, I had this concept come to me 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.400 and I woke up from a dream and I just 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.560 wrote it down right away, because otherwise, if you don't 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.000 do it, you forget it. And so sometimes, yeah, sometimes 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:36.200 it's like a melody. Sometimes it's a concept. It happens 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.760 a lot when I'm driving, like things will just come 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.320 to me. I feel like, for when I'm flying in 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.520 an airplane, I feel like there's something very ominous. I 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.760 don't know there's I don't like there's a reason. I 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.560 feel like people cry when they're up in the air. 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:54.080 It's just like you're very vulnerable, yes, and you're untethered. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:55.960 And I mean, at least if you're me, you're terrified 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.280 because I hate flying, but you're just yeah, you're you're 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:03.160 not connected, totally, totally. Yeah, And and so I think 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:10.000 it looks different. It happens in various ways, but um, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.440 when it does happen, it's it's it's cool. And I'm 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.080 just I'm just trying to really get into the pattern 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.600 of making sure that I write it down when it 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.280 does happen, because I have found that when I don't, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.920 I forget it and then it doesn't have the same value. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.400 Paul Cartney talks a lot about that. He's he's one 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.600 of my my favorite, one of my favorite human beings. 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.800 And he talks a lot about how he wrote yesterday 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.720 if he woke up with just that melody in his 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.800 head and he wrote let it Be from a dream 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.960 from his his late mother coming to him, and I 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.440 love that. I love those stories. Oh wow, I didn't 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.120 know that about let it Be. That's cool. Oh yeah, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.080 So it's so interesting to see that the role of 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.120 subconscious plays in songwriting is just so cool to me. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.840 I think it's so interesting. Yeah, you know, Prince always 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.720 talks about and I've heard other people like Jim Morrison 0:15:54.840 --> 0:16:00.600 used to always say, um that like it feels sometimes 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.040 he feels like the heavens are just or whether it's 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.240 the heavens or the universe or whatever coming through him 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.960 and he's like it's not. He would he would say, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.800 you know, it wasn't even me writing it. It was 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.120 like someone coming through me and writing this song and 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.080 it just came out and it's like it was like 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.200 it was meant to be. Like basically, you're like this 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.960 vessel of creativity from whatever other universe or you know, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.360 things out there, which I always thought was so cool. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:30.840 I'm waiting for that moment too. It's so it will happen, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:32.920 Oh my god. I mean, it's just yeah, I really 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.840 do think that. I mean, music has been such a 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.040 part of human history seemingly since the beginning, and people 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.200 talk about it being some kind of linked to the divine, 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.520 and you know, as as music fans, you're tempted to 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.240 believe that, you know. I mean, there's something I want 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.920 to ask you, what kind of role does storytelling play 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.000 on your music? Because I know that's not a necessity 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.040 for a hit, but I get the sense that for 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.080 you that a good story is just as important is 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.800 a good melody. Yeah. Well, I mean in my day 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.359 to day life, I'm a storyteller, for better or for worse. 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.120 My friends would tell you, like, for the longest time, 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.680 I was going to call the EP long story short 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.719 because it's a joke with my friends that I'll be like, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.080 long story short and then I'll tell the longest story 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:22.120 ever and yeah, thank you. Well it might well, yeah, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.840 we'll see it might be used in another way, but um, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.520 thank you. I yeah, I am very much a storyteller. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.639 I think that that's what drew me to country music 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.119 more than anything else, is the stories that you know 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:41.920 are told through country music, like unlike any other genre. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.679 I think country music has the best stories, and you know, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:50.520 from as long as it goes back, you know, they 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:57.520 were taught, you know, I guess, and and like when 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.160 I was growing up listening to those stories is the 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.640 thing that that's where like, that's the thing that invokes 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.880 the most feeling and the thing that I think can 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:12.240 really help people, I guess, is hearing a full story 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.080 and seeing how it can relate to their own lives 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:19.639 or or in some way shape or form or just 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.120 to hear the story is is really cool. I mean, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:27.240 I think that while my while my production is maybe 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.879 a little more pop sole leaning, the sticking to the 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:35.080 storyteller aspect is very important to me. And it's just yes, 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.440 the way I like to write. Have there been some 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.959 artists that you know that made you see the power 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.320 of storytelling and songs? I know you mentioned people like 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.320 Shania Twain in the past and Atlanta's more set completely 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.320 and I actually I never bring this one up, but 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:55.479 Don Henley is a very big inspo for me, and 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.200 I feel like his his storytelling. I mean he's not 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.359 I wouldn't say country artist, but he is a great 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:05.800 storyteller and just a great lyricist. And I think, um, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.000 he's just someone that can tell a story in such 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.639 a way. I mean Joni Mitchell too, Like I feel 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.720 like there's just deep meaning and metaphors in what they 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:20.239 write about and just a way that's like it's just 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.720 it makes you feel less alone in the world or 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.480 something I don't know, and and so I think that, yeah, 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.879 that's just a very important also aspect of music for 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.760 me and sharing my own music is is that you 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:37.800 know what I was talking about one of these days earlier, 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.280 and just the fear of talking about my parents going 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.440 through a divorce and having them hear it. Which when 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.080 I did play it for them, they were they loved 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:48.720 it and they were completely fine with it and it 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.840 was all okay. But had I had a song like 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.720 that growing up to listen to when I was going 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.959 through it would have been so helpful. And so I 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.040 think that, you know, that's what I meant by music 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.080 being able to heal, just help us in any ways. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.240 Oh absolutely, man, it's like that. Ever see Almost Famous? 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.200 Oh please, my favorite? You know we never you get lonely, 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:11.960 go down to the record store, you see your friends. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.560 I mean, I think that we all had that period 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.320 in our lives, and I think there's a little piece 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.960 of us that's still has that. You know us too, 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.280 it's we connect the music in that way completely. Oh 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.960 that's the best movie. Oh my god. Yeah, I mean 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.119 that's I mean, you know, I'm a music journalist and 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:33.320 that that movie is probably se Yeah, yeah, I mean probably. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.639 I'm sure I'm not alone in that, but uh yeah, totally. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.879 But have you had the chance to meet or perform 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.600 with with any of these these formative figures in your 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.800 musical development. I know you were just on the Kelly 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.000 Clarkson Show recently, so that that's that story is cool 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.879 actually because um, one of these days when I wrote it, Um, 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.160 we for whatever reason, they wanted that they really liked 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:57.439 the song, and they were like, do you mind if 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.320 we pitch this Kelly Clarkson is looking for us song 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.360 and Kelly Clarkson's looking and I was like, I mean, 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:05.840 it was such a personal song to me. But also 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.280 I was like, but if Kelly Clarkson wants it, let's go. 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.399 Um and so or like we'll see. I don't know, 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.800 you know, I was, I feel bad saying that now 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.160 because it is like my song, and but but I 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:21.080 you know, Kelly Clarkson is one of my biggest heroes 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.040 and long time, like I don't know, she's the American idol, 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:29.000 so uh, you know, for more than one way. But 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.840 but anyway, she ended up turning it down because and 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.920 I guess she said, like this song is it's it's 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.120