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Speaker 1: II and welcome to the Short Stuff. I should say,

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas and welcome to the short Stuff everybody, because

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Speaker 1: this episode comes out on December twenty fifth, which, as

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Speaker 2: That's right, and it's a rare Christmas short stuff where

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Speaker 2: we also have to issue awarding for kids listening that

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Speaker 2: this story, while beautiful and lovely, takes a very dark

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Speaker 2: turn as yet another maritime disaster episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I guess I had second thoughts about this,

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Speaker 1: but reading over it again, I'm like, no, this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was so funny to me. I just have

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Speaker 2: to tell everyone. When Josh Sinnett, I thought he was

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Speaker 2: sending it as a joke of like, hey, here's a

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Speaker 2: time about all the maritime disaster episodes we do and

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Speaker 2: here was another one, and You're.

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Speaker 1: Like, do we do a lot of those?

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Speaker 2: I was like, are you kidding me? I still couldn't tell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I forgot about that, Orang Madan and Mystery

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Speaker 1: of the Sarah Joe too for in like I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but hey, this one is about the death of

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Speaker 2: Captain Santa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so just ring some jingle bells for this maritime

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Speaker 1: disaster and it'll differentiate it from the others, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this one has a very cool story around it though,

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Speaker 2: because in Chicago around the turn of the Last Entry,

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Speaker 2: they did a very cool thing wherein if you needed

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Speaker 2: loaded with Christmas lights and Christmas trees, like a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you were down on your luck at

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Speaker 1: Rause Simmons, you would probably meet the captain. He was

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Speaker 1: nicknamed Captain Santa, and he would if he found out

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Speaker 2: Pretty great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the reason that this was already a thing

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Speaker 1: pretty badly, and it was hard to come by in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: That's right, It's pretty wonderful, Tradish. Captain Santa was born

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Speaker 2: one Ermann Schuneman, obviously German and somewhere probably around eighteen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so with a failed saloon, he was like, well,

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Speaker 1: And it turns out, Chuck, that this was the last

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Speaker 2: All right, Part two coming up. Okay, we're back. We're somber.

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Speaker 2: The Christmas joy has now been replaced by yet another

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Speaker 2: They knew things could go bad because August, that older

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was only twenty minutes that had passed. But

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Speaker 2: pretty remarkable. They actually found Captain Santa's wallet wrapped in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no doubting it. It had his business card. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the Ross Simmons was definitely lost. But Barbara herself

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Speaker 1: carried on this family tradition of delivering Christmas trees in

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Speaker 1: using schooners. Eventually they moved over to trains, which is

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Speaker 1: far more sensible, But the loss of the Ralse Simmons

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But the cool thing about his family continuing even

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Speaker 2: So they were just a legit Christmas tree business family

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Speaker 2: There are some interesting little sort of ghost stories and rumors,

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Speaker 2: still smell evergreen in that area, and that the trees

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Speaker 1: Did you see the photo of it. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 2: That's incredible. I don't I can't get my needles to

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Speaker 1: So a diver in Lake Michigan. I think Lake Michigan

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Speaker 1: Atlas Obscura has a really great article on this, and

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Speaker 1: there's an overhead shot of the Rause Simmons sitting upright

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Speaker 1: some of the Christmas tree timbers still scattered around it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. And I believe where the evergreen scent is present

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Speaker 2: One thing that struck me as very sad. I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously the twenty three souls aboard, including Captain Sanna. Is

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Speaker 2: very tragic. But I also feel bad about five thousand

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is very sad. It's a lot about that. Wow.

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Speaker 1: If this wasn't a barmber Christmas episode, it sure is

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Speaker 1: now it's a but but it might be. It might

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Speaker 1: If you ask me and so to kind of tie

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Speaker 1: the Ralph Simmons was lost. There was a legend, which

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Speaker 1: to get her Christmas tree and was left waiting forever essentially.

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Speaker 1: But he's still so beloved around this area that every

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Speaker 1: year in early December, the US Coast Guard Cutter Mackinaw

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Speaker 1: commemorates the Simmons journey across Lake Michigan and brings a

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Speaker 2: That's great, happy ending.

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Speaker 1: It is a happy end. You nailed it. It's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a dark center. It's called a happy

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. I want to give

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Speaker 1: a big shout out and thanks to Glen V. Longacre,

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Speaker 1: the National Archives now defunct Prologue magazine, in addition to

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Speaker 2: That's right, And is this coming out? When would this

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Speaker 2: be like a couple of days before New Year's.

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Speaker 1: No, this comes out on Christmas. It is Christmas right now.

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Speaker 2: Chuck. Oh well, Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Chuck, Merry Christmas to everybody who's listening, and

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