WEBVTT - Hangin' with the 'Boys: Wheeling and Dealing 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:07.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.399 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:20.760 Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, exploding down the sidelines. 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.440 He is Hanging with the Boys, presented by Wing Stuff. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.760 Where Flavor gets its wings. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:29.720 Now your hosts. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:38.280 Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:45.440 Thursday, looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza outside Ford Center 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:47.640 at the Star in Frisco, Texas. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.400 Where it doesn't get much better than this. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.320 Seventy nine degrees, the highest eighty five, the lowest fifty four. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:05.520 Here's Sherley, that's lunch. He is Shannon, that is Kirt. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.840 In the back is Chris. I don't know when they apps. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:10.039 We don't know either. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.080 We don't know when they tap. Not here, not here. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.000 I am selling pepper Poppy together we make Hanging with 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.800 the boys. I didn't go down the right way. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:24.440 Struggle struggle bus the sports talk equivalent the braill people. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.720 Fee when we speak. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.959 Or through that or whatever, when things come out of 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.720 our mouths, sounds broach it every day by wingstop or 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:37.880 Flavor gets its wiz. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:46.240 How you guys doing better than I'm doing? Good welcome Chris. Yeah, 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:51.120 we'll give jesse Ment a co I'm dying. At least 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.400 you made show. I died last week and didn't make 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:54.280 it to the show. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.080 So they will call you soft and everything. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.760 Dude, I hadn't been I don't know if it was us. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:05.200 You are not a machine, Jesse neither am I. You 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:10.120 would not have wanted me on the show Thursday situations. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.400 Notting Rise running all over the microphone would not have 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:13.839 been good. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.200 But it's only one day, one day, and I was good. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:23.480 So uh may do y'all remember a we'll get I 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.320 want your take on part of this. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.880 But do y'all remember? And it probably happens every year. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.000 You just don't realize it. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.360 This many big names flying around trading teams and getting 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.200 cut and a. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.560 Lot of receivers for sure. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.000 Well that's why I was gonna bring up, what is 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.400 your take on why so many big name, big contract 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.320 receivers or flat out just getting cut because you know, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.960 people don't want to take on their contracts as it is, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:55.359 there that much talent now coming out of college, that 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.040 receiver depth is better than. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.359 It used to be, and it's easy to get you. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.480 Know, a number one two or is the game changing. 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.519 Is the salary cap effect the words should take on that. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.480 I think the answer is yes to all of the above. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.880 I think the talent has definitely grown. When you think 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.160 about now, look at how many kids in high school 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.359 are doing private training, one on one training. The development 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.280 of the game is happening at a much faster rate. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.720 So you're getting more college ready players. And then you're 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.960 getting into college and now those guys aren't taking as 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.920 long as it used to take to get ready, so 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:37.440 you just have you just have an accelerated production that 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.080 it is happening in the skill positions, and the kids 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.440 are getting bigger too, bigger, stronger, faster, like across the board. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.920 And then the second thing is when they come into 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.520 the league, you're starting to see more now of the system. Right, 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.280 we used to make fun of the system quarterback or 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:59.000 the system. Look at what the Niners have done the last. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:03:59.400 Couple of years. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.920 It's like plug a player in here, he runs this, 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.840 we run this system. If he does not need to do. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.080 In this system, everything flows and everything functions, and so 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.240 you're seeing more of that. You're seeing more of the 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.480 new age coaches come in taking a lot of the 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.760 think workout, taking a lot even like a lot of 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.919 the skill workout of Hey, just be where you're supposed 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.760 to be when you're supposed to be there and the 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.320 progression of this route and you'll be open. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:23.040 So is that a. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.400 Testament of how far ahead of the game Bill Belichick 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.720 was because in there what he used to do. Yeah, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.560 take player A, B, C, D yes, and then put 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.160 him in here and they're still gonna get this many yards. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.400 And those teams who develop those type of dynasties you 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.560 look at it and it's it's it's only until the 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.320 rest of the league catches up and then you're no 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.360 longer the hot shot again. And we saw that with 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.159 the Shanahans, the mc veigs. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.480 You become the old guy with the hot shot. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.920 Young you gotta event you, so you gotta find other 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.040 ways to become hot and so and so. Now teams 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.880 are just looking at it and saying, I can find 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.560 the next guy, and it's it's you. And then you 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.200 end up having the big names are casualties of doing 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:11.320 business because yes, we signed you, and we we we 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.120 we talk about the Eagles a lot and how they're 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.800 doing business. Eventually they'll have to pay the piper. They're 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.479 winning now, but in a couple of years you'll see, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.200 oh man, they had to get rid of Saquon, they 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.680 had to get rid of Davante, and they had to 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.760 get rid of aj because you just come to a 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.960 point where you can't push that bill down the road anymore. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.400 The window of you winning with at that cost, uh 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.359 is it's not feasible anymore. So you start seeing teams 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.920 let go of these guys and and just basically no 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.440 one wants to say it anymore. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:44.799 Uh. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.279 It's it's it's kind of like a forbidden word grouping. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.280 But it's a soft rebuild, like the Niners are going 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.880 through a soft rebuilt. That's what they're going through right now. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.520 They've had some major cups. And when you're when you 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.279 have a quarterback, and this is the key part of 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.800 it all, when you have a quarterback on a rookie deal, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.559 that gives you think about it, in Esse, its fifty 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:11.680 million dollars a year. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:11.960 To play with. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.640 When you think about it, when you have a quarterback 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.839 who's on a rookie deal, I have an extra fifty 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.479 million dollars that I can go and do what I 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.359 need to do with and then it comes to a 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.400 point in time where now you're looking up and you're saying, 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.279 uh oh, like Washington, they're able to do what they're 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.360 able to do because Jaydon Daniels costs a very little 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.479 bit about a money amount of money towards their overall 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:35.279 salary cap. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.559 And it just amplifies that when you have a rookie 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.520 quarterback that's really good. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.880 That's really good, it helps you right right, Or they 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:43.839 did it with rock Party when brock Perty was playing. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:45.680 Well, it's a rookie deal. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.680 That's part of why they're cutting everybody. They're gonna him. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:50.520 They got to pay him. They have to make a decision. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.520 This is the guy we're gonna go forward with. So 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.359 we got to make room because if we're gonna do 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.680 a deal now or in the next year, it's gonna 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.919 cost us forty five to fifty to fifty five million 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.520 dollars to play quarterback in the National Football League, and 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.240 so we can't keep all those big names around and 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.400 pay him. So it's like, let's start our soft rebuild now, 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.160 Let's go through our little bit of hiccups now, and 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.720 then next year we'll come out the gates and we'll 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:21.720 be signing guys and doing guys because you know you'll 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.840 sign them, and once you sign them, the money gets 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.840 pushed towards the back of the contract. So you'll sign them. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.400 He'll have a big time for you. He'll have a 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.920 big time signing bonus, but it'll count pennies towards the 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.920 salary cap of that year, which means I can now 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.320 go and play back in that pool again. I can 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.200 go play in the pool of getting those players out 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.200 of YadA YadA, and then it'll come to roost. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:44.160 In a couple of years. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.200 So it's it's a combination of all of those things 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.760 being yes, okay, Kurt, Yeah. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.920 How do you feel about what the Cowboys have done 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:55.920 in free agency so far? 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.320 Well, keeping guys, letting guys go. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.880 Yeah, I mean I think we all there's certain guys. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.640 You know, We're nice to have Jordan Lewis here. I 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.080 don't know if ten million a year was worth that. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.560 Same with DeMarcus Lawrence. He's got a real good deal 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.520 of Seattle. It'd be nice to have him. They're there's 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.680 there got some big holes to fill, especially on the 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.840 defensive line, cornerbacks, some other spots. I like that they're 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.640 adding depth, but I don't feel like they've really other 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.720 than maybe linebacker, I don't think they've really added any 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.880 impact players. So they're kind of doing what they said 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.000 they were going to do, you know, just selectively relectively 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.439 aggressive and just kind of I guess the plan is 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.400 they're gonna They've opened their setting their SUPs up so 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.640 they can grab impact players in the draft. Right now. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.880 It's got the fan base a little worried. I think. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:54.040 It's like it feels like business as usual, and business 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.199 has not been good for twenty years. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:56.960 Well that's the thing. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.319 This is the little draft me. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.520 Yeah, yes, this has been the the roadmap for them 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:02.120 for years. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.720 And you're you're going and getting a bunch of guys 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.400 that nobody else wanted, that never lived up to their potential, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.320 that you're thinking can fill holes because at one time 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.520 they were first round talent or second round talent. 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:19.360 It just feels like the same old thing at a. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:27.120 I think a very pivotal point in this franchise. I 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.480 feel like you're losing your fan base. I feel like 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:34.640 everybody's just kind of ho, hume whatever. And I feel 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.520 like the business model is going the same way it 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.320 used to. When you need you need to maybe, you know, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.960 whatever happens on the field happens on the field, right, Like, 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.040 I feel like maybe they're over evaluating the talent that's 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.880 on the roster again because they're not going and making 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.160 the re signing guys. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.000 That are good players, right, but they're. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.560 Not like, oh see you talked about it, not not 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.120 really a twenty million dollar player, but homegrown somebody, you like, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.520 somebody that's familiar with the system, somebody that's here probably 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.800 overpaid a little bit or a lot, however you look 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.400 at it. You know, I think all the rest of 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.079 the resigned guys, the special teams, you want to keep 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.560 them intact because that was a shining point, you know, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.680 last year you got that back. By the way, shout 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.760 out to Cavante Turpin, probably the richest man in Monroe, 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:27.760 Louisiana now. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.200 Shout out. 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:36.040 But I mean, it just feels like, you know, and listen, 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.040 if I was upstairs, this was my organization, I. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.760 Would I would probably be the same way. This is 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.840 the way I do business, this is my team, this 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:45.960 is the way I'm going to run it. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:47.600 I would hope you wouldn't. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.960 Eventually, We're I'm gonna get there. But at the same time, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.120 it's like I think you just as a fan, you 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.680 just want to be you want to shake up, you 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:56.880 want to you know no. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.760 I think Jerry even said it last week that you 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.480 know there are planning on these young guys and these 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.200 injured guys coming back and stepping up. And that's a 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:07.080 lot of hope, a. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:07.560 Lot of hope. 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.040 And I tell you what if you if you miss 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.120 on the draft, because it looks like where you're going 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.160 with running back, you're all in on the draft, whether 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.200 you go early or whatever, because you know Rico the 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.000 only and I don't remember I don't remember a time 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:26.440 here where running back was this uncertain. You always had 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.120 somebody that was familiar with Rico gone and you you 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.840 what's it Williams right, which is basically the numbers look 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.480 like kind of a Rico two point oh. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.160 Yeah, and you're not familiar with that's a tar Hill 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.920 I'm talking about. That's tough. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.240 You know, you know a tar Hill biased. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.440 So you're putting all your eggs in a in a draft. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.680 It looks like a draft basket that you haven't been. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.520 You haven't hit on. You definitely didn't hit last year. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.680 You you last two years ago yeah. 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.480 Right, So if you don't hit on this, you're talking 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.680 about disaster for your franchise if that's where you're going, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.200 and so far in free agency that seems like where 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:09.640 you're going. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:10.760 Yet. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.960 Jerry made the comment this offseason and I guess this 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.040 will this will be the comment. Last year it was 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.320 all in. This year will be the selectively be aggressive. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:19.640 And then he talked about the other day it was 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.880 about with the last Wednesday about we don't we don't 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.320 have any holes, we don't have any voids. These are 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.839 avoid fillers. Okay, this with these are you can say 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.920 you don't have any voids. You got voids. You avoided linebacker, 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:33.600 You still got a void that corner, you got void 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.480 at running back. You have avoided second wide receiver like 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.040 you got voids. You still probably have some voids up 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.400 front the defensive line, and you can probably afford to 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.600 bring in maybe another offensive line or two. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:44.920 You got voids. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.480 And these players I get while they're doing it, like 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.200 the move, I think, who was it? Denzel Washington says, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:13:00.000 never confuse movement with progress, and so they're making moves 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.160 to feel the void. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.600 But these aren't progressive moves, none of them. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.080 These are moves you have to make to operate the franchise. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:08.680 Is a move that you have to make to actually 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.720 play legal football, ye, Like you know what I'm saying, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.319 Like to actually have eleven dudes on offense, have eleven 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:14.880 dudes on defense, and have eleven dude. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.400 And not get embarrassed on Sunday. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.880 People don't realize they only had like forty guys on 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.760 the right roster, so you actually have to go sign. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.520 You gotta sign to make a roster. They allow you 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.800 to have nineties right now, they got like forty, so 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.160 you got fifty guys to go. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.439 Thanks for putting that in perspective. You know, I'm just 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:33.120 letting y'all know. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:34.000 Ye, that's what I'm saying. 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.360 At some point, you gotta get you gotta get guys. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.200 You have to get guys on this roster to have 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.480 a legal roster to go actually go and play football 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.319 and practice football and do all the team things that 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.000 you need to do, you know, weekend and week out 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:45.920 during the offseason. 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.240 So I get it. I understand it. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.160 And I don't know if this was on purpose by you, Kurt, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:58.640 or it just happened that way, all right, But there's 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.920 this emphasis that we keep seeing former first round for 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.640 the first round, former first round, former first round, former 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.000 first round. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.679 Like like when you put on this list, like that 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.760 was interesting. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.920 That's a telling sign, like like we are the I 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.800 call it will to spend the block franchise. If we 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.200 like the guy doing the draft seven years ago, we 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.520 like their traits six years ago, five years. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.160 We think we could do better than somebody. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.920 We'll spend the block on them quick, you know. And 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.000 so when you hear former first round pick, former first 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.720 round pick, just want to let people know, you never 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.760 hear former first round pick over players that were actually 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.320 lived up to that, to that billing. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:40.680 You don't hear that, You don't. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.600 You don't hear former first round pick for guys who 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.840 actually lived up to it. Now you get released, you know, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.480 seven eight years out down the road. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.240 But you lived up to that first Michael Parsons described 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:53.520 as a former first round. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.240 You know, you don't hear it. You just don't. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:56.720 You don't hear it because you hear them by their 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.800 first name, Micah, and everybody in the league knows who 0:14:58.840 --> 0:14:59.080 they are. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.360 You see what I'm saying, Like like no one says 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.800 no one says former first round pick Joey Bosa. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:05.560 You know what I'm saying. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.880 This is Joey Bosa, right, you know what I mean? 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.080 Like so that that's a telling sign to me. And 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.080 and the Cowboys are they always they always looking for 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:20.480 the traits. It's always through the traits plus reclamation project, 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.920 you know, for affordable price measurable. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:25.720 Is this the kind of guy we like other the traits? 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:26.120 Right? 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.840 Like they they they measure a certain way, they do 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.760 a certain thing, and we like them in the draft 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.080 and they will come out in the draft. And so 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.800 all those things balled up. And one is what you 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.400 see in the newly acquired players the Cowboys have. And 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:38.960 we can we can kind of go through them and 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.640 I can give you my thoughts. I watched I had 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.520 a chance to watch some of them, not all of them, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.120 and I had to watch all of them extensively, just 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:50.200 kind of peeked in and uh, and yeah, we can 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.520 we can talk about them and see, I guess give 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.280 a grade to it or what happened. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:55.920 Just some of those grades. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.600 Yeah, let's get in. Do you still have that? Pull 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.480 that up and when we come back, we'll talk about that. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.440 And by the way, Osa, you are now a twenty 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:07.400 million dollar player. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.240 Despite what Jesse said. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.520 What's wild is you are he actually left money on 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.280 the table from what the markets looking like right now. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:16.880 I don't know if he and his anything was like, 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.520 let's just get a deal. He's actually left. He could 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:20.200 have been more of a Richard. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:21.320 He could have been more of a richard, have been 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.800 a twenty two million, could have been easily. Maybe that's 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:25.560 not important to him. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:26.120 Maybe it's not. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.840 Maybe quality of life and where you're at and they been. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:30.680 Maybe he has the inside track. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.080 And what you can do with twenty that you can't 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.520 do with twenty two. It's a twenty two twenty whatever 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:35.280 was great? 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.280 Point that extra two million when you're already making twenty. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.880 Sence where he's signing Texas is Yeah, I'm just saying 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:44.320 that actually actually brought that up. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.200 Yeah, I heard at his interview he brought that up. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.200 Jacksonville might give you some money. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.440 All right, when we come back, let's look at some 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.800 of these guys and say farewell to a few old 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:56.720 friends of the show. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.400 Sad day in cowboy Land. We'll be back. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.359 How's wingstop sound? Crispy Juicy Classic Wings? 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Please drink responsibly to Hanging 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:08.640 with the Bulls. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.399 Welcome back to the second segment of Hanging with the Boys, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.960 brought to you each and every show by blockchain dot Com. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.400 Thank you blockchain dot Com. 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.560 Kurt Yes, roll on down to the roller Grill at 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.919 seven to eleven right down the street and grab your 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:26.800 favorite items off that roller grill. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.240 Then enjoy a big gulp big golf. 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.639 Sir Jesse needs a big gulp. After that first segment, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.560 he was struggling for just eighty nine cents valid of 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.879 participating stores. Fill up at Pop eight and get game 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:45.679 a day already. All right, let's say goodbye to a couple. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:46.840 Of trivia boys. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.560 Oh yeah, yea yeah, I got something for you. Let's 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:49.160 do trivia first. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.320 Someone brought this up to me, uh, a couple of 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:52.720 shows ago. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.640 Did you research it to make sure it was accurate? 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:55.520 It was accurate? 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:56.399 Okay, good, Okay? 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.000 Can you name the players left from the Garrett error? 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:07.000 The players left from the Garrett era? So one, coach, 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:08.679 you go, how many years ago was that? 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:09.520 Five? 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:10.240 Yeah? 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:14.160 Five? How many are there? I'm not gonna tell you. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.880 Zero Then DAK, c J Goodwin, CJ good Ones, two, 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.760 DAK CD, Donovan Wilson. 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.000 Donovan Wilson CD, And that's it. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.200 Ced didn't play for Garrett. 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.400 He was drafted in twenty twenty, which was the COVID year, 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.280 and that was McCarthy's first draft. 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.680 That's it. Three guys, three guys left. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.960 Wow, Dak CJ and Donovan Donovan. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:41.400 That's it. 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.960 It's a good trivia question, Chris. Thanks appreciate that. 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.520 And Dak's now your longest tenure cowboy, right yep, I. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.080 Mean years ten twenty sixteen. 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:58.000 So being I'll be interesting to see when training camp 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.560 starts because that's when they come in five out what 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:02.280 the youngest team in the NFL is. 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:08.600 Yeah, that will be interesting. Uh, Jordan Lewis, DeMarcus Lawrence 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.280 not surprised by either one of those guys leaving or 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:12.800 for what. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:13.359 They signed for. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.200 Yeah, And I was shocked that Jordan Lewis got that. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.720 I'm happy for Jordan. I was shocked that they got 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:19.320 ten Yeah. 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:22.360 Yeah, Yeah. They had said they wanted him back. They 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.040 were trying to get him, but they just weren't going to. 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:24.640 Go that high. 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.399 Would you all pay ten million for him? Considering you 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.560 really have one corner right now that you can depend on. 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.560 And he's ten is tough, thirty at his age, and. 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.160 I mean he was your nickel corner. 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.359 If I don't think I signed Jordans. 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.760 If I knew that my team was a serious contender, 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.320 I might have signed Jordan Man if I knew that 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.240 my team was a serious contender. I might have done 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.600 could have been that one piece of I might have 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:58.880 done two for twenty. 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:03.959 Really yeah, see that's said one person I read speculated 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.760 that same day they signed Marcus Marquis Bell. Could he 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.600 be your slot guy having played some linebacker, he's bigger? 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:11.840 No, no, no. 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.280 He's not bigger knowledge no. 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.040 No, not not the cover receivers. I mean Jordan, what 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:19.960 Jordan did in the slot you're talking about. You know, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.320 he went up against some premium guys, you know what 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.680 I mean, And he battled against some premium gods. I 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.920 don't I don't think Marquis Bell is versatile. But he's 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.360 more versatile in the sense of, you know, coming down 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.000 in the box, you know, tackle running backs, cover some 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:39.040 tight ends. But to have to cover a receiver, you know, 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.360 forty yards running across the field, Yeah, he'd be he'd 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.719 be a he'd be in a blender, he would be. 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.960 So DeMarcus went to Seattle, right, Yeah, three years forty 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:50.320 two million, not to aiden dirty. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:50.760 Uh. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:56.440 Jordan Lewis h Jacksonville three years thirty million, a doga 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.359 same place, two years seven million. Ricos rised me a 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.880 little bit the money that he got Carolina one year, 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.320 six point twenty five million. 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.960 That's okay, So the six point twenty five is up 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:13.240 to Incent Events. Yeah, it's more like it's. 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.000 Like like what what they gave Javonte? 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.720 Yeah, that surprised me that they for what they spent 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:20.200 on Javonte, why they didn't bring you? 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:20.440 Yeah. 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.320 And then Chauncey Ghoston signed with the Giants three years, 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:25.480 nineteen and a half million. 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.320 One thing about DeMarcus Lawrence, boy, he don't he don't 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:29.840 miss when it comes time to going to the bank. 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.720 No, he don't miss. That's his what third big contract? 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:34.840 He don't miss. 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.240 And he's been hurt a lot. 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:37.320 He don't him. 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:37.679 Was it? 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:42.520 David Cant is the cantor so when whenever it is, 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:47.280 in fact, all of David Cat's content clients, right, Lawrence 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:50.240 Lewis No, yeah, Lawrence Lewis. 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.960 Rico was in there, Dad was in there too, right yeah. Yeah. 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.119 But when it comes to whenever David Canton, DeMarcus Lawrence, 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:00.679 they see out of eye when it come to them 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:02.960 checks because he don't miss with it. Coud of to 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.760 Marcus lower good Fee, they go to the bank together. 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.240 Well, happy for all those guys, as people sad to 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:14.040 see all of them go from a team perspective. Then 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:18.000 re signed guys of course, the punter Anger two years 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:20.840 six point four million, Cavante Turpin three years, thirteen and 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.200 a half, your long snapper three years four point four 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.120 to five million, Marquise Bell get to see him back 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:28.199 three years nine million. 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:28.520 CJ. 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.720 Goodwin, which has been here for seems like he's fifty 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:32.240 years old. 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.639 Wow is one year when he got here. 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:39.400 One point four million and Osa four years eighty million. 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:42.320 So I wanted to get Nate's opinion on this because 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.480 he was preaching, we need all those guys back, and 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.280 we needed Jordan Goldston. Don't do like last year we 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.800 lost ormstrong and foulering man. They did exactly. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.160 So would you just looking at who the newly acquired 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.959 guys are the guys they let go? These are what 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.720 you said gap fillers, right, would you have left some 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.080 gaps open to get some of these guys back and 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:06.520 move this money around? 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.840 Like DeMarcus. I don't I love DeMarcus. 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.760 I don't know physically what he's got left because he's 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:17.920 you know, with his back problem he's had, and then. 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:21.160 What is it fot foot. 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:22.800 Not good problems to have as a defensive end, so 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.080 that money's a little bit steep. But these other guys 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.480 I would have thought you would have for it's a 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.400 lot of money for these guys, but looking at who 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.920 you signed, does it balance out? Would you try to 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.320 keep your own guys like Nate said, or would you 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:38.360 do you think it's good. 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:39.960 To kind of move on and try some different. 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:43.480 Out of the five that we lost, I think three 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.399 I would have I would have liked to keep. I 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:49.600 would have liked to keep Jordan, Rico and Gholson. Those 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.000 three I would have liked to keep if you could 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.399 have somehow, some way. And I don't even know if 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.640 it's really like money, because even when you're sitting right now, 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.400 the Cowboys, yes they got they got some more some 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:08.360 more depth. But I don't know if the replacements are 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.280 better than what we lost, right you know what I mean? Like, 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:15.280 I don't know if that's like Javonte is to me 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.600 and Kurt has the PFF grades for if you if 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:21.719 you if you value that for whatever you value that 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.320 for Javonte is not better than Rico. 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:27.280 He's not. He's not. 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.600 Maybe he's a better pass catch out of the backfield, 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:34.320 but he's not a better running back than Rico. I 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.919 don't know what Gabe Jones is. I mean, they'll have 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.239 some competition there. But if that was the case, you know, 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:44.159 whether it's guard or whether it's tackle. You know with Tuma, do. 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:46.320 You like that these are all like one year deals, 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.399 a bunch of most of them, and it's just like 0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:49.320 a quick. 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.520 That's what lets me know these are like fillers. 0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.880 These are avoid fillers because you don't have any long term plans. 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.480 And and let me also add this to the mix. 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:00.879 Just because these guys are signed today, that don't mean 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.000 they make this football team. Like there's a there's a 0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.760 none of this money, like it's really really guaranteed money 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.639 until you get onto the roster after sept whatever the 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.080 September date is that you add to the roster and 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:15.800 that money becomes guaranteed. Whatever you get in your signing bonus, 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.520 that's you know whatever that those guys who have some 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:18.720 signing bonuses, but. 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:20.720 It is not. 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.480 This newly acquired list are a bunch of guys who, 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.880 like Chris and I was saying earlier, we gotta feel 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.359 a team. You gotta put guys on the team to 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.760 feel the team. Doesn't mean that they're going to actually 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.280 be here when we break camp and we start our 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.000 seating off in September. That that's not a None of 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:46.840 these guys are Exton Stone and so we'll see, well, 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.960 we'll see what they have. You know, like I said, 0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.119 what it what it lends you is I don't have 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.320 to go into the draft with dire needs like I 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.119 don't if if I go into the draft and I 0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:00.440 can't really get the linebacker around want, I'm not too 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.160 tore up about it because I got two linebackers already. 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:05.920 You know what I mean. 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:07.720 I suppose if you go into the draft and you 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.399 don't have you all you got is a Maris on 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.199 your football team right now, and and uh, what's the 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:14.720 guy who was in the doghouse last year? 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:18.160 Damon Clark. 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:20.720 Now you're going to the draft and you almost kind 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:22.720 of it's a pressing need now you may reach you 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:24.560 may have to kind of really go above and beyond 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.200 and get a guy because you don't have any guys. 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:27.920 These guys they're. 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:34.040 I don't know, they still be running back And yeah, Cornery. 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.040 No no, no, You're still going to draft those guys for sure. 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:42.320 But again I am I Jerry said it about you know, 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.320 I was a little bit over ahead of my skis 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:47.560 when I drafted a first round left tackle and I 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:49.080 just threw them out there and thought it was gonna work. 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.080 So you want to kind of have some guys in 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.600 the position if if that, if that young fella ain't 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.920 quite coming along like you need them to, because it's 0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:00.360 a lot of pressure on your organization to going to 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.480 the draft and saying, well, I need rounds one, two and. 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:08.000 Three to hit. Yeah, like that's pressure. 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.719 Like I need one, two and three to be instant, impact, 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:17.200 productive human football players today. Now, normally you feel that 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.240 way about one right one you're kind of saying, like, 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.840 all right, you know, I'm at twelve one, should come 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:26.240 in here and be able to go. You feel that 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.640 way two and three you kind of you know, the 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.400 percentage goes down a little bit, but you're still kind 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:32.280 of feeling a little. 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.480 Bit hopeful forward. But the pressure is on. 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.800 Now that boy we miss on our last two drafts, 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:39.719 so to speak, not so to speak, you missing your 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.560 last two drafts. You know early on, I gotta get 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.680 these guys in here going right now, because if not, 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:51.760 Kenneth Murder's at the guy that you're gonna want out 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:56.320 there as your starting middle linebacker, rotational guy. Sure, but 0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:00.760 if he's your starting backer, if Javonte was just starting 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:04.760 running back, oof, life get difficult. 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:08.720 Ah, all right, getting depressed. Let's take a break. Let's 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.840 take a break. We'll come back. Let's let we come back. 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.880 Chris, you brought it up, Kurt, you had it kind 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:20.560 of in your notes, like this is a very different 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:24.200 looking football team and a lot of your veteran guys 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.680 that were you're you know, would get in your face 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:31.600 behind closed doors, you know, not really, I don't know 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.520 if they talked about it a lot publicly, but you know, 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:40.480 DeMarcus Lawrence, Jordan Lewis, Zach Martin, those were all guys 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:45.280 that held that locker room accountable. And now within five years, 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.800 you've got three guys that have been on the team 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.120 five years are longer, right. You got these leaders in 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.760 the locker room that are gone. So let's talk about 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.960 the locker room dynamic because I've talked to Nick about 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:03.600 this and it always seems to come true, and I 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.360 want to get your take on it, because I think 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:12.280 a locker room morphs into what most locker rooms are 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:16.479 the same. You have the same characters no matter who 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.000 you get rid of, it's almost like, Okay, we need 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.040 a jerk, we need a nice guy, and people morph 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:26.600 into those roles as people leave, because you're always going 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.520 to have an Orlando Scandrid, Right, You're always going to 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.360 have somebody that's not real nice to the media. 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:37.360 Right, humans, not just media, But you're. 0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.280 Like, you're always going to have, you know, the nice guy. 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.160 Like, I want to get your take on that, because 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:42.840 you've been in a lot of different locker rooms. How 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.280 you know, you get rid of this guy and then 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:46.600 all of a sudden somebody kind. 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:47.360 Of takes on that role. 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.280 But this is very different, and you know, maybe it's 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.320 a good thing with the new coaching staff coming in 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:53.200 and they can. 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:55.200 Kind of mold it or does it mold itself. Let's 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.480 talk about that and maybe some other things when we 0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.360 come back. The final segment of Hanging with. 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:04.080 The Boys back House wingstop sound, crispy juicy, classic wings, 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.320 sauted tossed that those are letting, soul satisfying flavors paired 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.600 with hand cut season fries, housemade honey mustard, blue cheese 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.920 or signature wingstop wretch. I think you've heard enough. 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Is there 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.680 always you know, your usual cast of characters, like you 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.920 have the the kind of quiet leader you know that 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:40.520 sits in there and you know, doesn't say a lot, 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.880 and then you got the really outspoken. 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:43.480 Loud guys. 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.440 And then you've got the guys that don't say anything 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.040 ever until stuff gets real crazy, and then it's like, all. 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.480 Right, fellas, look this is getting ridiculous. 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.000 And you know, is it always kind of the same 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:58.080 hierarchy and then when guys leave, you know, like you 0:34:58.160 --> 0:34:59.160 got some leaders. 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:00.400 Here, DeMarcus and George Lewis. 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.920 Jordan Lewis was kind of a he's gonna let you 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:04.879 know if you're not doing your job, not really put 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.759 it out in the media, but we'll say we you know, 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:11.439 we missed our assignments, we didn't do whatever. People kind 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.919 of morph into. You'll have somebody that will morph into 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.160 a Jordan Lewis gout. You'll have somebody that'll morph into 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.520 a Zach Martin that's not gonna put his business out there. 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.840 But is that typically everywhere you go. 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:25.080 Yes, Like and when you were describing it before he 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.080 went to the break, it was it was very telling 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:31.080 because you're right, when whatever that person is whoever the 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:36.359 vocal leader. When he goes, someone will morph into being 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:40.600 in that role. Now Here's the thing about the locker 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:47.360 room culture is it's not who has the loudest voice, 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.880 but it's about whose voice do they listen to the most. 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.520 Because you can be loud and we don't listen to you, right, 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.560 Or you can be kind of seft spoken and when 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.400 you speak, it speaks. 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:00.600 Right. 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.120 You've been around people when they speak everyone shuts up 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.640 and listens, and you've been around people who talk loud 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.200 and you're like, this guy's just blowing hot air. 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:08.960 Uh. 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.480 And so that's the biggest thing. It's about the guys 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:15.120 in the locker room. What voice are they gravitating to? 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:22.239 And as much as football is a team sport, it's a. 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.040 Clickish locker room. 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.440 You know, not only by positions like yeah, you'll have 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.520 your receivers over here, but you'll have your clicks. You'll 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.520 have your certain amount of people who will hang around 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.839 them and and and then those clicks things formulate. Uh 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.000 and and depending on again, depending on who I agree 0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:40.839 with who I don't agree with, is who I will 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:45.239 follow and how much I will follow them. You think 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:49.239 about Dak being the quote unquote leader. 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:50.360 Of this football team. 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:50.759 Uh. 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:55.239 And it's funny that you brought up leadership because the 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.719 Marcus where excuse me, DeMarcus Lawrence was one of those 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.239 guys who were was a leader and enjoyed little one 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:00.800 of the guys. 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:01.360 Who was a leader. 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:07.360 And almost right after the news came out that the 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:14.680 Marcus Lawrence was going to the Seahawks, presumably the next 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:21.759 leader in the pack tweets out, it's my time, lion face, 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:26.719 and you guys know where I stand on when it 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.799 comes to leadership. You ain't got to keep shouting at 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:33.920 you're the leader, the lion and the pride. Don't keep 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.160 shouting out that I'm the lion. I'm the leader. 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:37.040 He just is. 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.680 He beats the one that was in charge, and now 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.520 everyone follows. And so it's gonna be an interesting thing 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:49.319 to look at because who are the masses listening to? 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.240 And leadership it breaks down to just being the best 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:59.520 player more than just being the best player, And leadership 0:37:59.520 --> 0:37:59.840 takes so. 0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:00.560 Much like. 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.080 If you're old enough, if you're our age and older, 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:10.560 you understanding. You knew Michael Irvin was hell on wheels 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.759 off the field to deal with, but he was the 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:18.040 leader of the Cowboys, right like he Nato tell you that. 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.239 Most of Gottill tell you that. And it wasn't because 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.080 of what he did off the field. It was because 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.319 he was the first guy in last got to leave. 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.200 Nobody worked harder than him. He worked out, he was 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.359 in the film room, he challenged you. He showed up. 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:35.640 And you can know Mike can be out three, four, five, 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.799 six o'clock in the morning. He wasn't missing practice. He 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.400 wasn't gonna be late. He wasn't gonna half a it 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.920 out there on the football field. He wasn't gonna blow assignments. 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:47.319 He wasn't gonna drop the football. He wasn't gonna take 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:48.440 off periods in practice. 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:49.799 You knew that. 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.200 And so that was a guy when he spoke, you listen, 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.080 that was a guy who you followed despite what he 0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.239 what he was, you know his in his and this 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.640 off the field life. So you just want to make 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.120 sure that when you come down to that leadership that 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:11.040 you're being that guy. And I should say that there 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:16.240 is a there's a fine line that is drawing because 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:22.759 what you do outside of football is no concern to 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.759 me unless it has to do with affecting what you do. 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:26.640 Inside of football. 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.560 Now, Lina, when you leave out this building, if you 0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:35.279 want to go and you got six girlfriends, don't care. 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:39.840 I'm my business. I'm my business. If you want to 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:46.279 go drink, not my business. Not my business. If you 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.920 want to go cheat on your wife, ain't my business. 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:55.000 But if that is affecting what you do in the building, 0:39:55.760 --> 0:40:02.640 it becomes my business because your job ultimately intertwines with 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:06.680 my job. You see what I'm saying. So that's when 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.520 it becomes a problem. And that's why people say, well 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.680 Mike did this. It never affected what they did in 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.799 the field. It never it never affected, it never impacted 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.560 in a negative way what we were as a team. 0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:22.799 And in most I'd say eighty maybe eighty percent of 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.040 being a leader or eighty percent. 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.759 Of in a locker room is the work and the 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:29.680 work ethic. 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.400 Because if you work hard, the respect comes from that. 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:34.680 You got to be good, right, You can't be yes, 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:39.040 you can't be a mediocre player or you know, an 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.280 okay player and be a leader. 0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.479 I don't think. I think You've got to be really 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:44.360 good at your position. 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.840 And then you have to do the unspoken work, the 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:51.160 film work, the like a Sean Lee kind of guy, 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:55.200 right like, really good at his position, didn't talk much, 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.480 but was always in the film room and was always 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.440 working extra and always doing the extra work. And then 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:05.040 you develop people gravitate towards that because they admire that 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.320 and they respect that. So then that's how you build 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:09.840 kind of that following in the locker room. Or do 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:11.560 you or have you ever seen a leader that's a 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.439 leader that kind of had a reputation of. 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:16.480 He didn't really do the work, but helly, he's a 0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:18.360 hell of a player. And you know, are there are 0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:20.080 there different types or do you have to do. 0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.160 Yeah, yeah, I don't want to. I'll tell you off there. Okay, 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:24.680 I'll tell you off there because I don't want to. 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.920 But but some of your favorites, some of your favorite cowboys, 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:31.120 at least in the time that I was a part 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:32.359 of the team, and I've been coming to a team, 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:34.840 some of your favorite cowboys who were quote unquote the 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:35.920 leaders of the team. 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:37.680 You ain't want to follow that junk. 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.799 But were they leaders to the locker Everybody has their 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.560 own opinion outside no right facing like, oh. 0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:44.440 He's a leader, he's a leader. 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:46.839 But when you really, when you really get to know, 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:49.160 like the people in the locker room, like what we're 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:49.720 going to talk. 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:50.200 About off air. 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.719 I know some of the guys you're gonna say, right, 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.120 and they were good, Right, they're good and they were 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.359 they were good players like you were, Like, not only 0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:58.680 were a good player, they were some of the best 0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:01.319 players on the team in the league. But were they 0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.920 but were they leaders or were they just leaders to 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:05.520 the public? 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:08.680 Did they leave the locker room or was it kind of. 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:09.560 Like they had a following. 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:11.640 Okay, let me say that they had a following, but 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.360 they didn't have the whole locker they didn't have the whole. 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.520 Locker room, and that somebody like in the case of Martin, 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:17.279 he was probably a good leader, but was he just 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.520 a good leader to the offensive lineman? I mean as 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:24.280 a guy, you know, Donovan Wilson gonna follow Zach Martin 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:26.480 that kind of thing. Is it more uh, you know, 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:27.160 broken up. 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.120 Like that, segmented in position groups? 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:34.239 It could be, like it definitely could be. But like 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.480 we're talking about offensive lineman. I remember a couple of 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.440 years ago when the Nighters would talk about, uh, Trent Williams, 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.080 they was, no, he's a leader, he's an offensive lineman. 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.759 They said when Trent spoke, we all listened. When Trent 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:51.040 said something office defense whoever you you you you, you 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.360 turned your attention to what he was saying. So it 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:57.359 could it couldn't You know? Yes, at times it could 0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.960 be segmented like that, but there are offensive lineman who 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:05.120 would command the attention of the team bye. 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.200 Bye by their work. The work comes first. 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.719 Let me say that you don't get any respect from 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:13.160 anybody on this on this level, if if, if the 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.719 productivity is not there, yeah, if they don't, they don't, 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:19.200 if they if you, if you will, bum hush. 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.120 Well we've talked before. I think we've kind of talked 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:25.200 about it's what some of the struggles of this team. 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.200 Then the locker room leadership. So you know, I hate 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:29.680 to see these guys leave, and I do think they 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:33.240 were good leaders, but maybe it is time for new blood. 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:35.160 I mean, it's been a thirty year drought. 0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.520 If that, if we're if we're basing it on that, 0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:40.240 you know what I'm what I'm saying like there hasn't 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.600 been enough leadership to get some over the hump, all right. 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:49.040 So another question that's related to that, can some of 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:51.040 these guys are leaving like you said there's turnover. There's 0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:52.799 young guys that are gonna step in and kind of 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:56.279 fill these roles, and some of them will. I think 0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:59.799 there's some guys that say vocally I'm gonna be the 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:01.000 now that he's gone. 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:01.840 I think there's some. 0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:06.240 Guys that build that following and just organically become a leader. 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:08.800 Can let's just say, let's just say. 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.560 Dorn Blam, we pull him out in are right, Like, 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.280 he's a young talent, he's good. I don't know anything 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:18.200 about his work ethic or anything like that. But can 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.239 if you start getting a following in the locker room, 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.880 can that translate into confidence on the field and taking 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:27.080 you to the next level of your game. 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:28.240 Have you ever seen that happen? 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.759 Yeah, because what happens is when you get a following, 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:32.120 now everyone's watching. 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.960 So now I have to be out of work harder, right, 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:36.000 I have to be here. 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:38.480 I have to know what I'm talking about because the 0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.319 following comes in and go, hey, hey, Douran, what we 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:42.200 have on this coverage? 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:46.280 What's the call? If I don't know, I lose my following. 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.080 Like that's the part about the following is when they 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.160 when they need answers, when they need understanding. 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.319 They come to me and I have to be able to. 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.759 Provide that for the mentor and all of that. 0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:58.839 Right, So, now when I'm able to go out there 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:01.960 or or it's it's in that it's in that meeting, 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.000 and this has happened. I've seen this happen before. It's 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:08.440 in that meeting where whether it's office defense, whether it's 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.600 team office defense, or it's a position meeting, and the 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:16.080 coach is saying something and then that guy goes, hold on, coach. 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:20.200 No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, play it again. Now we 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:22.080 should be in this or that was the call. 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:27.600 And coach goes, you know what you're right now that 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:29.920 like it's that type of thing. People looking like, oh 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.200 he really knows his stuff, you know what I'm saying. 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.000 When it's when you're you know, sometime when you're in 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.200 that meeting room and and and like I said, coach 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.240 is calling things out. 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:40.839 Coach is calling things out. 0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.040 Now you're looking at it and it's saying, oh, wow, 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.160 I don't know, I don't know, I don't have the answers. 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:50.120 And now looking at you like, well then I can't 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:50.600 trust you. 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:51.840 I can't I can't. 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.200 Follow a man who don't know what he's doing. If 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.640 he knows what he's doing, I can follow. But if 0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.640 he if he's if he's questioning what he has to do, 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.359 then I'm gonna question him and what I have to do. 0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.759 So now I gotta find a new leader. And so 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.600 when you have those guys that are able to set 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:12.160 that type of tone, the following growth, the following growth, 0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:14.080 and once you have a following now you look around 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.480 and you go, oh, I am an example. Now, so 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.000 now I gotta watch the extra film. I gotta be 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.160 in the weight room, I gotta be here on time, 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.400 I gotta practice, I gotta do all these things because 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.600 I look around and it was just about me. Now 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.440 I got seven eight guys saying what you think we're 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:35.080 counting on? You were coming to you for the answers. 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.520 And that's when that that that's when you can kind 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:40.480 of morph into that uh, into that leader. But it's 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.720 it's it's the expectations. 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.719 It can't be I'm the guy. 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.040 It's gotta be trying to give me trouble. 0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:56.920 Na get me, Kurt, You're not gonna get They're not 0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:00.200 gonna get me. You're not gonna get me out. I'm 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:01.600 just saying is just be a leader. You have to 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:02.680 tell everybody that you're the leader. 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:04.640 Just be it. Everyone will be a leader. 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:05.919 Kirk, don't tell us you're the leader. 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:06.880 Everyone will know you. 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:07.760 Just keep doing this. 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:13.080 This work all right, well, fellas, it was fun this. 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.480 Hopefully we'll have some big news, some big free agent 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:17.879 signing in the next week. 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.200 We can talk about next week. If not, who knows 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:21.640 what we'll. 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:23.680 Talk about draft something. 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.239 I'm sure somebody upstairs will say something that we'll be 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:30.560 able to, you know, maybe the MAVs will make another move. 0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:35.760 Something completely random. Did you see what Southwest did about 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.799 what I was driving in? Southwest? Is crazy? At least 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.719 we didn't trade Lucas stop. You guys lost a lot 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.880 of customers with that new policy with a sponsor. 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:51.840 Sorry, if you are there, they're not American. 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:54.920 Let's go, I will I will fly American Now. 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.160 I used to be on the other side because of 0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.320 the free bag policy. 0:47:59.640 --> 0:47:59.839 Yep. 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:04.560 Now, I'm thanks American yepporting the Cowboys because here we go. 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:07.880 All right, fellas, good stuff. We will be back next Thursday, 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:09.360 same time, same But. 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.320 What maybe oh I'm joking? 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.239 Okay, what is it? 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:16.640 When does you drop another spots. 0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:18.799 Yeah, I know, talking about it. 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:20.400 What is the draft? 0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:25.120 April twenty six eight, So we have a month and 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:26.720 a half before the draft. 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:28.760 So we'll start getting into draft talk. 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.799 Soon sixty five, start breaking down that film for us. 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.160 I will yeah, I'll get you by. I got big 0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:37.360 working on my book for. 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.000 For several months, working to Good Draft magazine, right, yes, 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:40.000 deadline this week? 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:41.680 Yeah, when's it come out? 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:42.360 Deadline? 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:47.480 Yeah, probably by the time he gets online, and did 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.400 probably be first part of April, first. 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:49.760 Part of April. 0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:51.479 Who all's contributing this year? 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:56.200 All the normal writers, you know, Kyle's doing a lot 0:48:56.239 --> 0:49:01.120 of the work. Tommy Mickey Patrick on Bold. 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:03.040 Good deal you. 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:05.280 Oh sure, we got to plug yourself. 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:10.920 You're quiet here, but hey yeah, Leading magazine. No, he 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:14.680 just they know that's right, They know you got to 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:16.839 say it. They know no that need to know. 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.359 No drop the draft is the twenty fourth, twenty fourth 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.719 there it is twenty four four, twenty six. 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:25.879 You go twenty seven, twenty two nine. 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:26.760 You will be very disappointed. 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:28.520 Yeah, well twenty six you'll be good. 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.120 Yeah, you'll be like the first the first part fourth 0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:32.120 Jesus is gonna quick. 0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:35.200 It's in Green Bay this year how many people do 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:38.480 you think are going that you know, I have heard 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.720 about lambeau and the mystique in the area of lambeau Field, 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.359 and they go to this draft and they get there 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:45.800 and they. 0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:50.120 Go this is a terrible decision. There's nothing to do in. 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:51.799 Green Bay, Like I want to know where all these 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:54.520 people are going to stay, right Milwaukee shuttling. 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:58.200 Yes, but it's like I guarantee you there's going to 0:49:58.280 --> 0:49:59.680 be a large number of people that are going to 0:49:59.719 --> 0:49:59.920 go in. 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:01.000 Just be like, this is it. 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:02.359 Cheose it up? 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:05.360 Amazing stadium, Like we went to Green Bay and stayed 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:06.000 in Appleton. 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:07.959 Yeah, hey, don't knock Apple. 0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.480 That's it. Them airbnbs around the stadium going to. 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.240 Be man lit. You ain't lied. I would take vacation 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:15.680 and be like, take. 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:16.640 It for take it for a week. 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:18.400 For a week, I'm going to Mexico. 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.560 All right, We'll be back next week. Hopefully tune in 0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:23.600 to see if we make it or not. 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:25.480 Hanging with the Boys we out. 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.120 This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.160 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.