Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories done done.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, this is Liza Traeger. And this that's
Speaker 2: messed up. I did it in the wrong order. But hello,
Speaker 2: and that's Kara. Wait, this is how we're going to
Speaker 2: open it. Hey, Okay, we don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 2: We don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 1: I think it's funny.
Speaker 4: I think it was funny. You laughed, I like a
Speaker 4: real laugh. Yes, you guys know what this is. It's
Speaker 4: a Law and Order resview podcast. We talk about an
Speaker 4: episode on the show. We talk about the true crime
Speaker 4: it's based on. We interview a fabulous guest that was
Speaker 4: involved in the episode, and we chat and catch up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hello. Last week was our one year anniversary.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for all of your beautiful
Speaker 4: comments and words about wishing us a happy anniversary. And
Speaker 4: a lot of you are our day one listeners. But
Speaker 4: even if you're not, we love you all.
Speaker 2: And to be honest, I don't think I've ever bought
Speaker 2: expensive champagne before.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Lisa bought some champagne. Last night we went
Speaker 4: live to celebrate the one year.
Speaker 2: But I also brought McDonald's and Kara's husband Jared did
Speaker 2: say that it's something he really respects about me, that
Speaker 2: I that I like your McDonald's game is said, lack
Speaker 2: of shame of McDonald He's like your support of McDonald's,
Speaker 2: like I'm the ironic support of McDonald's is one of
Speaker 2: my favorite parts about you. So, yeah, like our child
Speaker 2: owns many Happy Meals toys because Lisa gives them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can buy Happy Meal toys just you don't need
Speaker 2: to have the whole meal.
Speaker 1: But obviously it's also like.
Speaker 2: If you want something delicious and greasy but you don't
Speaker 2: want to eat too much, a Happy Meal is the
Speaker 2: perfect kind of vibe. But you could just buy the toys.
Speaker 2: So if you know someone you know loves the thing,
Speaker 2: they're cheap and easy.
Speaker 1: It's fun.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, like, if I was gonna go back
Speaker 4: to meat, McDonald's cheeseburgers might be my first thing that
Speaker 4: might actually cause my intestines to explode, like just after
Speaker 4: fourteen years to shock them with that.
Speaker 1: But I loved McDonald's cheeseburger so much.
Speaker 2: Really no, because I was telling you I was craving
Speaker 2: like my high school cafetes hei at cheeseburger, Like that's
Speaker 2: what I badly want.
Speaker 1: What McDonald's was fulfilling.
Speaker 2: It's like the most consistently not real or something like
Speaker 2: I just want that, like cheese melt and all, like
Speaker 2: the fake cheese melts I don't know, or like cheeseburgers
Speaker 2: at the pool, you know, like the pool concession.
Speaker 4: I didn't eat that much food in my high school cafeteria,
Speaker 4: but the bagels were some of the best bagels I've
Speaker 4: ever had in my life. Same like fluffy, delicious hot
Speaker 4: bagels that they would make in the high school cafeteria.
Speaker 4: I would, you know, we would just rip pieces of
Speaker 4: it off and like dip it into a little thing
Speaker 4: of Philadelphia cream cheese and swear. I have not eaten
Speaker 4: a bagel in that manner in a really long time
Speaker 4: or and I feel like very few bagels have ever
Speaker 4: matched up, and I'm talking about living in New York,
Speaker 4: have matched up to my high school cafeteria bagels.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and I wonder if it was like
Speaker 2: a company that was outsourcing all these high schools, like
Speaker 2: the fact that you in Connecticut. Me and skochye years apart,
Speaker 2: both remember our high school bagels very yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And also some New Canaan listeners. So a lot of
Speaker 4: people have tried to figure out where my hometown is.
Speaker 4: I'm not being secret of It's New Canaan, Connecticut. And
Speaker 4: if you went to New Canaan High School, please let
Speaker 4: me know because you're probably younger than me if they're
Speaker 4: still rocking those delicious bagels, because some of you have
Speaker 4: contacted me that you're from my town. And it's also
Speaker 4: where Christopher Maloney lived for one year, and I feel
Speaker 4: like people thought that I was hiding that from the podcast.
Speaker 4: But he lived in a massive, massive mansion right down
Speaker 4: the street from my parents with one wife and one child.
Speaker 4: It's the biggest house, one of the biggest houses I've
Speaker 4: ever and then he left after like a year.
Speaker 1: He's got to do lunches, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hallway the base for lunches.
Speaker 2: I just want to also give a shout out to
Speaker 2: my high school. They had great cookies. I would get
Speaker 2: like the eminem cookies and they were so gooey. I mean,
Speaker 2: should we can you just go to the high school cafeteria, Like,
Speaker 2: can I come do a visit and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: I used to come here.
Speaker 1: I just want to like scoop my.
Speaker 4: God, like I'm gonna be I'm gonna be near my
Speaker 4: hometown for Christmas break, Like could I just go in
Speaker 4: and be like one bagel?
Speaker 1: Please? We're verified on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Maybe we could call the principal and be like, listen,
Speaker 2: we would love while.
Speaker 4: I'm here, why are you not doing an outstanding alumni
Speaker 4: profile on me?
Speaker 1: Like, let's do it. Come on, I know.
Speaker 2: All I work hard for is for my dad to
Speaker 2: compliment me, and my high school theater teacher to acknowledge me.
Speaker 4: And what's your high school theater teachers name? Should we
Speaker 4: shout that to see if somebody can get get in
Speaker 4: touch with them.
Speaker 1: Timothy Ortman one of the best.
Speaker 2: I mean he went to or of the Year while
Speaker 2: I was there, but we like that his program won
Speaker 2: the Kennedy Center Honors for best Like he brought a production.
Speaker 1: Of Hamlet to the fringe with a lot of my.
Speaker 2: Peers, like he really there was gay kissing in plays.
Speaker 2: We did a kabuki Iago's plot. We did ekwis a
Speaker 2: boy in underwear on a horse. I mean, we really
Speaker 2: went there.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that. Yeah, and we did you know,
Speaker 1: stage craft.
Speaker 2: We had a costume shop, like I really I felt
Speaker 2: very lucky to have mister Ortman in my life.
Speaker 1: But can he just please send me an email? Like
Speaker 1: my school did like into the Woods, but I don't
Speaker 1: think I ever even I wasn't in it.
Speaker 2: We did like six or seven shows a year. Yeah
Speaker 2: that's wild, it's nuts. Yeah wow, because our sports weren't good,
Speaker 2: but our theater department was winning the awards.
Speaker 4: See, our sports were good, so I don't think any
Speaker 4: theater wasn't as hot. But we did have a turf
Speaker 4: lacrosse field, very important term turf lacross.
Speaker 2: We had a oh that was college. Do we have
Speaker 2: glass blowing though? That was college? Okay, in high school jesus.
Speaker 2: But I did take sports marketing in high school, which
Speaker 2: seems not.
Speaker 1: It's like a very advanced class. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why I was in it, but
Speaker 2: happy to be there, happy to be in sports market
Speaker 2: Why did I major in sports in music management for
Speaker 2: one semester?
Speaker 1: I'm tone deaf? Oh my, yeah, but still, what you
Speaker 1: were you going to manage a musical artist? Were you
Speaker 1: gonna be like, Yeah, I went to Columbia College, Carnibe.
Speaker 4: I gotta sign with me, Lisa Treeger, I've got all
Speaker 4: the connects. You're gonna go platinum, baby, That's what I
Speaker 4: thought it was gonna do for one semester.
Speaker 1: I like, how I'm doing an invitation of you in
Speaker 1: high school or in college with a cigar in your
Speaker 1: mouth as a music executive.
Speaker 4: Wait, so we also are two bad Jews that barely
Speaker 4: acknowledged Hankah, but happy belated Hankah to all of our
Speaker 4: chosen listeners. Lisa uh forced me to get a menora,
Speaker 4: which was the best thing she could have done. I
Speaker 4: felt stupid that I didn't have one, and I was like,
Speaker 4: my kids are too young. Maybe next year, when she
Speaker 4: understands a little bit more, I'll explain, you know, the
Speaker 4: plight of the maccabees.
Speaker 1: But like, we just.
Speaker 4: Lit the menora a couple nights and I gave her
Speaker 4: a present and she loved it, and she keeps being
Speaker 4: like my Hanica President and she went to school and
Speaker 4: she's like, there are nine candles in the menora. Like
Speaker 4: she's very enthralled with the holidays. So I'm happy we
Speaker 4: did it.
Speaker 2: Wait, you said that Rosie got into the car and
Speaker 2: said I'm disappointed or what did she say?
Speaker 4: Yesterday in the car we were leaving one of her
Speaker 4: friend's houses and she said, can I go back to
Speaker 4: her house? I was like, no, it's six thirty at night,
Speaker 4: we need to go home. And she goes, that's so disappointing.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be a nightmare.
Speaker 4: I mean like she's just already like so emotional and
Speaker 4: like has so many words to say what she wants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's good she has words.
Speaker 2: It's better than apying child with emotions that they can't check.
Speaker 1: No, she's very, very communicative.
Speaker 4: Oh and did I tell you on this podcast yet
Speaker 4: that she had a good parent teacher conference too?
Speaker 2: Not on the pod, just personally let the listeners know
Speaker 2: because we were worried.
Speaker 4: I was really happy because listen, I don't know how
Speaker 4: many parents there are. But I did get a pre
Speaker 4: parent teacher conference call, which I don't think you want
Speaker 4: to get. Like, I got like a one that was like,
Speaker 4: just don't want anyone to be surprised at parent teacher conferences.
Speaker 4: Wanted to give you some feedback about Rosie. And I
Speaker 4: was like okay, and you know, they were just telling
Speaker 4: me like chatty listening problems. Obviously a lot of good
Speaker 4: positives about her, but like she has a problem listening,
Speaker 4: likes to play with her friends instead of doing her jobs.
Speaker 4: It's Montissori, they do jobs. And I was like, lady,
Speaker 4: you're literally describing me from birth to now, so I
Speaker 4: don't know what to tell you, Like, of course she's
Speaker 4: gonna have listening problems.
Speaker 1: She's two and a half.
Speaker 4: So then at the parent teacher conference, Raves raves, it
Speaker 4: was great. It was like they got it out the
Speaker 4: month earlier and then they they were raving about her
Speaker 4: at the at the regular.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, well I havena but we watched but
Speaker 2: Elementary last week. A friend Janelle James is in it
Speaker 2: and it so today Janelle posted like a bad review
Speaker 2: and it was someone on Twitter going, how dare you
Speaker 2: make Principles look bad to Prince. You're saying that principal
Speaker 2: steal money. This is discussed, ABC needs to do better,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's just one principal, she's just playing
Speaker 2: any like he took it personally. He's like, shame on
Speaker 2: you for treating Principles this poorly.
Speaker 4: I mean, nobody wants to watch a documentary about the
Speaker 4: day to day of an elementary school.
Speaker 1: Sir, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: It's it's a comedy show about an elementary school, and
Speaker 4: I think the idea of an elementary school principal being
Speaker 4: like vapid and super self absorbed is very funny.
Speaker 1: Like she's a very funny character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's because I watched the movie The Assistant
Speaker 2: on a plane and it is a slow stained paint.
Speaker 1: I don't know the saying, but.
Speaker 2: Wait with Julia Garner from Ozark. Yeah, we've talked about
Speaker 2: on the pod before you. I know you want to
Speaker 2: watch it. It's on Delta flights.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 4: I started watching it on my Delta flight and then
Speaker 4: the sound cut out and then the whole movie paused,
Speaker 4: and I was like, what, Delta has been fucking me
Speaker 4: with the multimedia over and over again every flight.
Speaker 1: No, And I feel bad.
Speaker 2: We got our friend hooked on Delta and now her
Speaker 2: parents have to take two flights in from Chicago because
Speaker 2: she's too far in with the points. And I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: she went from zero to hero.
Speaker 4: I mean she had like no status and now she's
Speaker 4: like quadruple platinum or whatever they call No.
Speaker 2: One of my good aspects of my personality is I
Speaker 2: am pretty like happy and chill for people. But I
Speaker 2: was living when she told me she got diamond. I go,
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? Surpassed me in less than
Speaker 2: a year. I've been trying to get these miles forever.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I had a great honkkah. There were two
Speaker 2: dogs at the party, one named Potato, one named Mabel.
Speaker 1: Can you ask for anything more? Oh my god, Mabel.
Speaker 1: Mabel was the dog of our friend naomiic Peagan.
Speaker 4: Podcast hosts actor, writer extraordin comedian extraordinary on that dog
Speaker 4: is really freaking cute.
Speaker 2: And Hato is a fourteen and a half year old
Speaker 2: Chihuahua and so he's on CBD. He's you know, elderly,
Speaker 2: but it is well. Also, listeners, I want to thank
Speaker 2: the wife of Josh's friend. I mentioned Taco Bell and
Speaker 2: I am getting sent Taco Bell money. So all of
Speaker 2: you listeners are incredible.
Speaker 4: I think it's like, if you have any connection to
Speaker 4: Taco Bell and you talk to Lisa Trigger about Taco
Speaker 4: Bell for two minutes, there's a passion there that you
Speaker 4: can't ignore. And so who else are you giving Taco
Speaker 4: Bell money too, to be honest.
Speaker 2: But and that the gossip where one woman heard it
Speaker 2: and was like, wait, I know this person, and like
Speaker 2: you know that's we all have to remember.
Speaker 1: Just one little act of kindness will help us.
Speaker 2: Because I'll take carea to Taco Bell because we got
Speaker 2: to try the refried breath.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, we talked about this ad nauseum on our
Speaker 4: live last night. But I do have a lot of
Speaker 4: you have sent me amazing suggestions for my vegetarian like
Speaker 4: a cheesy Gordida crunch with refri beans, all different kinds
Speaker 4: of things you can.
Speaker 2: Do that are meatless, and I appreciate it. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: do a stoned feast when you're back. But I wanted
Speaker 2: to say I am at my friend's house. I was
Speaker 2: the last person on everyone left. I had nowhere to be,
Speaker 2: so I stayed for a while. But they seemed to
Speaker 2: be okay with it. But I was given ice cream.
Speaker 2: But it was just one little circle scoop and it's
Speaker 2: like I learned about portion control at thirty four years old,
Speaker 2: Like I would never just do one scoop of ice
Speaker 2: cream and a little cute little glass cup with a
Speaker 2: but it was so delicious. There was a gingerbread flavor
Speaker 2: of ice cream and it was just enough, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I need to remember this.
Speaker 1: You know what I like for that?
Speaker 4: Actually, if you're ever at Trader Joe's, those little hold
Speaker 4: the cones, Yeah, those are the best. It's like, that's
Speaker 4: all the ice cream you need. You think you want more,
Speaker 4: but just that little cone.
Speaker 2: I've never just done one little bit of ice cream
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, but this is delicious, Like I don't.
Speaker 4: I've never done like less than half a pint, you know,
Speaker 4: like I'm doing two big scoops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a cool huh on a miracle.
Speaker 4: That one tiny scoop lasted eight hours?
Speaker 2: And I watched Organized Crime while I ate it. And
Speaker 2: but I've been I've been on a tear. I've probably
Speaker 2: went through like nine seasons in the past week. I
Speaker 2: just I've been fully SVU twenty four to seven. I
Speaker 2: fall asleep to it, I wake up it's a few
Speaker 2: episodes ahead, and I'm just on it. So I've been
Speaker 2: watching Young Maloney NonStop, and then it was jarring to
Speaker 2: see an old Maloney. Yeah, but how did he get
Speaker 2: so beefy so much later in life? Like why wasn't
Speaker 2: he this beefy the whole time?
Speaker 4: I think that, like maybe the whole time that he
Speaker 4: since he left SVU, he's just been beefing.
Speaker 1: I don't really know. He was not as large as
Speaker 1: he is now.
Speaker 4: Like, first of all, the pilot was on this morning
Speaker 4: on USA, and I was watching the pilot season one
Speaker 4: episode one Young Boy, just a young young boyson is
Speaker 4: like barfing from a case in this episode, she's like
Speaker 4: on the side and then literally Stabler says to her,
Speaker 4: there's no crying in baseball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, has he cried? Anyways?
Speaker 2: Also, I posted about this, but Hannah Dickinson is a comedian,
Speaker 2: great person in New York, and she did Ryan Sickler's
Speaker 2: podcast The Honeydew, and the point of the podcast it's
Speaker 2: like the honeydew is the worst part of a fruit bowl.
Speaker 2: So people come on and kind of talk about the
Speaker 2: worst parts of their life. And she talks about being
Speaker 2: assaulted by a fake uber driver and being kidnapped woke
Speaker 2: up in his home and it's like a really fucked
Speaker 2: up story.
Speaker 1: Uh, but the like still makes jokes.
Speaker 2: I don't know, It's just I think if you are
Speaker 2: ready and wanting to listen to that.
Speaker 1: That is something maybe I could recommend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll repost it today in our stories so you
Speaker 4: can find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you obviously have to be in a mood for it,
Speaker 2: and people are being nice, but she did post that
Speaker 2: the YouTube comments, people are already like, this isn't real,
Speaker 2: fake story that you're lying, and it's like, I don't
Speaker 2: get that. I don't get how you do that from home,
Speaker 2: Like why would she lie? What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I mean, people are so fucking annoying.
Speaker 4: Like, also, you know that tweet I did about Rosie
Speaker 4: saying life is down the drain or whatever, it kind
Speaker 4: of went viral. A bunch of people wrote, this didn't happen,
Speaker 4: are you kid? I didn't invent this fucking story about
Speaker 4: my toddler saying something crazy.
Speaker 1: Like people love to say fake stories.
Speaker 2: I know, but that's the thing online people like say
Speaker 2: their kids say things and they don't know Rosie is
Speaker 2: highly verbal, because I think parents do lie.
Speaker 1: And then there's hack jokes.
Speaker 2: Have you not seen the fake ones where it's like
Speaker 2: and then my child said, and it's clearly something that
Speaker 2: kid would make. It's like kind of an online joke, right, Oh, okay, I.
Speaker 4: Thought it was just people always think that they know
Speaker 4: when the story is fake and is real on the internet.
Speaker 4: Sorry to compare me, it's obviously not the same situation.
Speaker 4: Her situation is the patriarchy, being like this didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Speaking of let's start, let's start, you know, could we
Speaker 2: could babble all day?
Speaker 1: We gotta start speaking of Okay, let's start. Wow, Lisa,
Speaker 1: that's the most restrained. Oh, I also have a fun life.
Speaker 3: Hat.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you need a clean and there's a pile
Speaker 2: of clothes and you don't want to clean right now,
Speaker 2: you could put it in the suitcase.
Speaker 1: Because I had Kara.
Speaker 2: And our friend Lovely gave me the woman that cleans
Speaker 2: their home to help me keep my you know, small
Speaker 2: apartment clean because it ruins my life and I'm phil
Speaker 2: I'm a clutterbug. But I just had a pile of
Speaker 2: clothes and I just didn't want to do it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, I could put them in
Speaker 2: a suitcase. I don't have to clean shit. And it
Speaker 2: felt really good. So if that helps anybody, or.
Speaker 1: Just fold your damn clothes.
Speaker 2: But it was late, like I'll do it now, But
Speaker 2: I just I just was like I can't like yesterday.
Speaker 2: I came home last night and I had to put
Speaker 2: sheets on my bed. That's not fine.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I hate that. We talked about that. I
Speaker 4: was dreading that for you, and everyone is sad for you.
Speaker 2: Like as I was leaving the comedy store, I was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta put sheets on the bed.
Speaker 1: And the reaction of people is everyone's like God's speed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I one new.
Speaker 4: All right, let's start, let's start. We were going on forever.
Speaker 4: We've got a good one for you guys today.
Speaker 2: Pathological all right, Season nineteen, episode ten. So it's newer,
Speaker 2: so not as many watches for me, so it is
Speaker 2: kind of exciting to watch the newer ones sometimes, Sames,
Speaker 2: you know, I haven't watched this eight hundred times, but
Speaker 2: I will, you know, talk to me in a year.
Speaker 2: This is a really good one, and when it was
Speaker 2: a sign, I didn't even remember it. So it's nice
Speaker 2: to have a surprise. And we open with Olivia sleeping,
Speaker 2: so we know something bad is.
Speaker 1: Around the corner. We do not let her relax.
Speaker 2: She's having nightmares about brook Shield's grandma, you know, Sheila.
Speaker 2: So this is right after Sheila tried to steal Noah
Speaker 2: from Benson and they fight and there's god, I mean fuck,
Speaker 2: So she's having flashbacks and a lot of nightmares from
Speaker 2: the abuse from this, like brookshield grandma.
Speaker 4: It's so funny because her and brook Shields are like
Speaker 4: good friends in real life and I see them on
Speaker 4: Instagram together all the time, and it's like, weird, Shila
Speaker 4: Benson real life friendship.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also weird that she was like, that's shady, Marishka.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is the first bed thing we'll say
Speaker 2: about Marishka. But she's like, hey, best friend, come play
Speaker 2: my grandma a grandma shade, Oh yeah, a grandma. And
Speaker 2: this is also a perfect episode to piss off Karras
Speaker 2: and she hates Noah and thinks everything's his fault.
Speaker 4: Honestly, he's still okay, he's a little bit cute here still,
Speaker 4: but it's also he's like Malrea's grandma.
Speaker 1: Sheila, and it's like she tried to fucking kill your
Speaker 1: mom and kidnap you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's not telling him. So Noah wants like
Speaker 2: to sleep in her bed and Benson's like, can I
Speaker 2: just get a break, And then she's like fine, fine,
Speaker 2: one more night, but you gotta put your foot down.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be sleeping.
Speaker 2: And you know there's a comedian I won't name his
Speaker 2: name in New York that he slept with his parents
Speaker 2: until he was twelve years old. He refused to not
Speaker 2: sleep with them. And then guess what, he has a
Speaker 2: younger sister, twelve years younger than him.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So they just like never fucked.
Speaker 2: I think this for twelve years and then finally fucked
Speaker 2: and had another child's.
Speaker 1: Maybe my god, I can't find out who this is off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they go, Oh and Noah has a
Speaker 2: really cool robot painting in his room. So I really
Speaker 2: like that Olivia is sprucing up the bedroom.
Speaker 1: It's cute. You always recognize the decora. I like, never
Speaker 1: see that stuff. Listen, I'm a yeah.
Speaker 2: I like you've got an eye for designs. No, mostly
Speaker 2: for spending money on framed pieces of work. So we're
Speaker 2: gone from Olivia's apartment and now we cut to a
Speaker 2: school and it seems like a progressive learning style place
Speaker 2: because it's just one giant table and students sitting around
Speaker 2: it in a circle. So it's not a traditional looking classroom.
Speaker 2: So Stabler might not know about the details of this college.
Speaker 2: It is not Catholic. It's not a college either, it's
Speaker 2: a school.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So we see this blonde girl, Maryelle, and then this
Speaker 2: is when I was like, oh, I know this episode.
Speaker 1: So I was like, wait, what is this? What is this?
Speaker 1: See her face? I know exactly where we are.
Speaker 2: So mary Al's blonde, she has a headband, she's wearing
Speaker 2: horizontal stripes. And then the boy next to her has
Speaker 2: a thing for her. Clearly he's hot for Maryelle and
Speaker 2: he's also wearing horizontal stripes. So I see wardrobe department,
Speaker 2: all right. So they break out a smaller work groups
Speaker 2: and the crush boy and blonde girl they're working together
Speaker 2: and they have like a fun little vibe, and we
Speaker 2: find out that she's on a new medication and that
Speaker 2: makes her sleepy, but she thinks she'll be fine, but
Speaker 2: she is struggling today. And there's like a really hip
Speaker 2: young teacher with a cute little bob and bangs, and
Speaker 2: she's so positive and she just really seems like an
Speaker 2: amazing teacher. And she's gonna go get something for a student.
Speaker 2: And when she goes to grab something for a student
Speaker 2: in this closet, the striped boy with the shirt, the
Speaker 2: c is on top of the blonde girl and they
Speaker 2: are it looks like fucking, but the blonde girl looks sad,
Speaker 2: so it could not be consensual. We don't really know.
Speaker 2: She looks sad, there is sex. They are in a closet.
Speaker 2: So then we get Rollin's and Creasy onto the scene
Speaker 2: of the crime and they're talking to the principal and
Speaker 2: or she just looks like a principle. She could be
Speaker 2: a dean of students. Okay, we didn't get her official title.
Speaker 2: We find out Mary Ala is fifteen. She has MD,
Speaker 2: which is muscular dystrophy epilepsy and some learning issues. And
Speaker 2: the boy is Cody Hill, nineteen and he has autism,
Speaker 2: and uh oh, that's a criminal age.
Speaker 1: Gap, so what are we gonna do? Nineteen fifteen?
Speaker 2: And this actually happened when I was working at fat
Speaker 2: Camp because we had a group of older women, like
Speaker 2: up to twenty five, and then there's all these boys
Speaker 2: and everyone's fucking and it was like we had to
Speaker 2: make sure the older and younger people weren't fucking.
Speaker 1: WHOA, So that's gap, criminal age gap? That's real? Okay?
Speaker 2: Is that merch or is that weird? Okay? So, you know,
Speaker 2: should we find out they're fine. They were found in
Speaker 2: the supply closet, and no one really knows what's going on,
Speaker 2: but this school has mandatory reporting. So they talked to
Speaker 2: the hip, young, cool teacher, Vanessa Banks, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how they slipped away. They were both
Speaker 2: very upset, and the parents are on the way, but
Speaker 2: they don't really want legal stuff for the school and
Speaker 2: they want to keep this hush hush. And she talks
Speaker 2: about how these children do have impaired social interactions and
Speaker 2: they're very sheltered and immature, so they might have not
Speaker 2: even known what they were doing or like what was happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because this is a special education classroom, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, okay, I thought maybe it was like a
Speaker 2: school designed for like a whole special needs school.
Speaker 1: Oh, it could be. It could be a full special
Speaker 1: needs school. I don't know, or class for sure. The
Speaker 1: classroom that we've seen is y. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Rolin goes to talk to our girl, Maryelle, and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, no, am I in trouble. And then
Speaker 2: this mom runs in crazed lunatic. Okay, this mom's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, you called the police.
Speaker 1: What happened? What happened?
Speaker 2: And so she tells her mom in front of Rollin's
Speaker 2: that Cody raped her.
Speaker 1: Credits.
Speaker 4: The mom looks to me in a weird way, like
Speaker 4: Heather from New Real Housewives of New York.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Yes they're familiar. Yeah, she did look familiar.
Speaker 2: I amdbeat her. She's been working. She has over one
Speaker 2: hundred credits, but nothing that hit my heart that I
Speaker 2: would mention. But she's working, she's making her dreams come true,
Speaker 2: and she does an incredible job in this episode. I
Speaker 2: didn't write her name down, Okay, disrespectful, but and you know,
Speaker 2: we saw this coming before the credits, Like Maryelle did
Speaker 2: not look happy during the encounter, so you know the
Speaker 2: fact that she said there was rape did not surprise me.
Speaker 2: But we're at the credits, so then we're back, and
Speaker 2: then we see Cody's dad and Carees do like a
Speaker 2: little boy hang and the dad is like, my son
Speaker 2: did nothing wrong, and CARESI asked for a scoop and
Speaker 2: Cody said they had sex and he called Maryella Mermaid
Speaker 2: because her legs don't work, and he is Prince Eric
Speaker 2: and the dad says that Little Mermaid is his favorite movie.
Speaker 1: I like it. I just showed it to Rosie recently.
Speaker 1: I love it so much. Did she like it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: She did. We watched it twice.
Speaker 2: That makes me so happy. I do want to be
Speaker 2: there for some first time viewings with her. Maybe I
Speaker 2: can do a bug's life. Maybe that'll be me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The dad is like, listen, these are kids are being kids,
Speaker 2: like they don't know what sex is. And then Cody's like,
Speaker 2: the hell I don't. He goes, that's what he's like.
Speaker 2: You put your penis inside the girl and it means
Speaker 2: you're in love. And so everyone's like okay. Andchriasy does
Speaker 2: look hot. He has a nice expensive looking like camel
Speaker 2: colored peak like trench.
Speaker 1: He does look sexual in this. I like it.
Speaker 2: He's like listen, I don't know what to say, and
Speaker 2: he tries to leave for a break and his brain
Speaker 2: is kind of broken. He's just kind of confused how
Speaker 2: to handle this because this is like so many layers
Speaker 2: of what is happening. It's like a grown man whose
Speaker 2: favorite movie is Little Mermaid thinking she's a murder. There's
Speaker 2: just like a lot of stuff ring. So the dad
Speaker 2: is like, this isn't a crime. What the fuck? Like
Speaker 2: what you know, oh, did her mother make a complaint?
Speaker 2: Over protective is an understatement, Andchrisy goes, it's not really
Speaker 2: about the mom.
Speaker 1: This girl's fifteen. It's up to us.
Speaker 2: And so the dad's a little shocked and bewildered and
Speaker 2: he's kind of worried.
Speaker 1: For his kid, obviously.
Speaker 2: So we're back to the girls room and she's telling
Speaker 2: a man that he helps her out of her chair
Speaker 2: and she can walk, but it is hard for her.
Speaker 2: And the mom is in the back playing with her
Speaker 2: hands and she's just so stressed out. And mary All
Speaker 2: continues and says, she took her sweater off and I
Speaker 2: was distracted. Amanda's hair looks perfect, and so basically he
Speaker 2: took her pants off. And then Amanda's like, you said rape?
Speaker 2: Did you do something you didn't want to And she's
Speaker 2: like no, we're in love and we're getting married. And
Speaker 2: Rollind is like, wait, what do you think rape is?
Speaker 2: And she says, when a man puts a penis in
Speaker 2: your vagina. So again another layer of mixed energy. She
Speaker 2: just doesn't know what's happening, and the mom is she
Speaker 2: looks so concerned. She has a lot of heavy makeup
Speaker 2: for like a daytime, look like, what errands are you doing?
Speaker 1: Did you have a crush on the nail?
Speaker 3: Girl?
Speaker 2: Like, what's going on? So she said she heard an
Speaker 2: aid talking about it once and that's how she learned
Speaker 2: about it. And she's like, I liked it and we
Speaker 2: were like real grown ups. So it is consensual, but
Speaker 2: it can't even be consensual because she is fifteen. The
Speaker 2: mom is telling Amanda, listen, I got to get her home.
Speaker 2: She has anxiety issues and and it's like she looks
Speaker 2: chill as fuck, Like she doesn't look stressed at all.
Speaker 2: You seem stressed and you're projecting unto your child. So
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, there's muscle weakness and atrophy. And
Speaker 2: in the back of my head is Cody's father's statements,
Speaker 2: you know, of her being like over you know, too
Speaker 2: overprotective and a little stressed out. So Rollins is like, no,
Speaker 2: we got to take her to the hospital for a
Speaker 2: rape kit. And the mom tries to take her to
Speaker 2: her own pediatrician, and Rollins is like, we need to
Speaker 2: take her to someone who has experienced doing rape kits.
Speaker 1: Go shut up.
Speaker 2: So we cut to our boys, Careese and Finn gossiping
Speaker 2: about the case. On the other side of the mirror
Speaker 2: is Cody and Daddy Cody. So they discussed calling Olivia,
Speaker 2: but they decide to leave Olivia alone.
Speaker 1: She you know, let Olivia chill.
Speaker 2: So we get that Olivia is on leave after the
Speaker 2: Brookshields incident and that it was really like traumatizing for her.
Speaker 2: So the plan becomes take his statement, let's see rape
Speaker 2: kit results, and then Barba can let us know if
Speaker 2: there's a crime or not.
Speaker 1: Great plan. Great plan, guys.
Speaker 2: So now we go to Mercy Hospital on December twenty first,
Speaker 2: So we are a few days away from Christmas, and
Speaker 2: I saw no decorations.
Speaker 4: That's always something that cannoccupy you. Now, you guys have
Speaker 4: got to be decorating for the holidays.
Speaker 1: Lisa is going.
Speaker 2: To notice December twenty first is too close. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: extremely clear. They would have been on winter break. They
Speaker 2: wouldn't have even been in school, to be honest. So
Speaker 2: the pediatrician comes who the mom wants, and talks to
Speaker 2: the mom, and Amanda is looking at them like really suspicious,
Speaker 2: like a hawk and soaking up all this strange behavior,
Speaker 2: and the mom is flipping out, and then they decide
Speaker 2: to give her a sedative, but she looks chill like,
Speaker 2: she doesn't look stressed. But they give her ketamine. They
Speaker 2: give her a ketamine drip, and they have to do
Speaker 2: it in her left arm or like in her right arm,
Speaker 2: because her left arm has some other problems. So Amanda's
Speaker 2: really not happy seeing this, and the mom is just
Speaker 2: flipping out and crying, and it is like, this is
Speaker 2: so hard, this is hard.
Speaker 1: I'm sad, you know.
Speaker 2: And Amanda's like, what's the problem, and the mom again
Speaker 2: mentions muscular dystrophe at age four, then wheelchair and then
Speaker 2: epilepsy and blood cancer twice terrible. She then gives the
Speaker 2: line about God not giving you more than.
Speaker 1: You can handle. Blah blah. Clearly did not love that.
Speaker 2: Line cuts to Benson and Noah, and then they're playing
Speaker 2: cards again.
Speaker 1: Kara, how do you feel about this? I want Noah
Speaker 1: to lose, And.
Speaker 2: Of course she's interrupted by a vibrating phone and it
Speaker 2: is Amanda, and Noah was like, I said, no work, mommy,
Speaker 2: and it's like, bitch, she's saving lives.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can play goldfish in a second.
Speaker 2: So Amanda's calling, but Amanda's actually right outside of Benson's
Speaker 2: apartment door wanting to chat, and it's like, how'd you
Speaker 2: get in the building. I know there's a door, guy,
Speaker 2: what buzzer? Why are you calling? If you could just
Speaker 2: knock on the door, And this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: When she said I'll meet you right now, I truly
Speaker 4: thought when she opened the door, it was gonna be
Speaker 4: lucy and she was gonna be like peace Noah never
Speaker 4: finishing this game, Like I really thought it was gonna
Speaker 4: be lucy and she was about to bounce.
Speaker 2: And I'm like loving Benson's update, like she just looks
Speaker 2: so perfect. I'm like really feeling a lot of positive
Speaker 2: vibes for this episode. So and I'm really curious to
Speaker 2: hear about the real case because I feel like it's
Speaker 2: a famous one, but I don't know much about it.
Speaker 2: So Amanda gets Melinda Warner to do a talk screen,
Speaker 2: so we find out that she asked Melinda on the
Speaker 2: sly like can you just check what's going on here?
Speaker 2: So now Ice and Rollins are with Melinda Warner and
Speaker 2: Melinda's like, you were right, bitch, you were right. She
Speaker 2: had half a pharmacy inside of her, and some of
Speaker 2: these medications don't make sense, and some of the pills
Speaker 2: don't work well together and actually causes more issues, and like,
Speaker 2: no actual real professional would ever do this types of
Speaker 2: mixing and matching with supplements and pills. So Melinda is like,
Speaker 2: this is a giant medical malpractice suit or child abuse.
Speaker 1: But something is going on.
Speaker 2: So Chriesine and Amanda go to visit the mom, who
Speaker 2: is showing them a video of her daughter like being
Speaker 2: able to go to Disneyland. It looks like a Make
Speaker 2: a Wish type style situation. They let her know that
Speaker 2: they are not going to press any charges on Cody,
Speaker 2: and mom says, you know, that's probably for the best.
Speaker 2: But then Maryelle wheels into the room like, hey, can
Speaker 2: I go to school? I want to go to school,
Speaker 2: And the mom's like, you're not going to school. You're
Speaker 2: resting one more day. You're sick, No school for you.
Speaker 1: Go to your room.
Speaker 2: So the mom explains to Rollin's like, oh, she's just
Speaker 2: having a reaction to the ketemine and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: a horse tranquilizer.
Speaker 1: She's fifteen. What do you a ketamine drip?
Speaker 4: I mean, how would it be xanacs or something. It's
Speaker 4: so weird, but yeah, go on, Oh we're sure we're
Speaker 4: going to get a million nurses being like ketamine's normal,
Speaker 4: but like it just sounds really extreme.
Speaker 2: Rollin's is like, we have more to talk about, Like,
Speaker 2: you know Maryelle's medic I hate that name, Maryelle.
Speaker 1: It doesn't roll off the tongue.
Speaker 2: Rollins comes back from Melinda Warner to talk to the
Speaker 2: mom and she goes, hey, like, why are you giving
Speaker 2: all these medications like they don't mix, They're actually causing
Speaker 2: more problems, Like can you explain to me why you're
Speaker 2: mixing and matching? And she goes, well, yeah, I do
Speaker 2: my own research online. I try to find hippie dippy
Speaker 2: and alternative medicines. You know, I'm trying to do anything
Speaker 2: that I can to help. You know, her dad left
Speaker 2: when she was six. He couldn't handle the illnesses, and
Speaker 2: so sometimes I tried these natural supplements and I'm so sorry,
Speaker 2: and we'll go to a doctor and fix it. You know.
Speaker 2: She's acting like I'm just a mom trying my best
Speaker 2: and I'll do anything my bad. So the detectives head
Speaker 2: to Maryelle's doctor to get more scoop. The pediatrician who
Speaker 2: he met earlier. She says that she's been seeing mary
Speaker 2: Elle for two years and she doesn't like she doesn't
Speaker 2: know what's going on, but she doesn't think anything bad
Speaker 2: is happening. She's like, I, you know, I have all
Speaker 2: the information. She tells me everything. And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: what if she lied? Why don't you have all these
Speaker 2: other histories. What was happening in her medical history before
Speaker 2: the two years? And the doctor makes a good point
Speaker 2: I didn't think about.
Speaker 1: She goes.
Speaker 2: When a parent comes in and tells you their child's
Speaker 2: medical history, you just believe them. But they're probing the
Speaker 2: doctor for more information. It's like, come on, you know,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: She can't tell you.
Speaker 2: It's hippa bitch, so you know she's not spilling the
Speaker 2: hip a secret. I'm hearing that in Britney Spears's voice, like.
Speaker 1: It's hip a bitch. I did that on purpose.
Speaker 2: The doctor thanks them for bringing this to her attention,
Speaker 2: and she's gonna make some calls and figure some stuff out.
Speaker 2: So I think the doctor's good because they're a part
Speaker 2: of me. Was like, what if the doctor's in cahoots
Speaker 2: with the mom and they're both kind of psychopaths.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that, Like the Doc's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: look into all this.
Speaker 2: So they know they can't get info from the mom,
Speaker 2: so they decide like, maybe we can find the father
Speaker 2: and Chriesy's like, should we ask for permission? And Rollins goes, no,
Speaker 2: you fucking dork. Do you want to try to fuck me?
Speaker 2: Why don't you act cool? So they go to meet
Speaker 2: the dad and he's like, I'm not a bad father, okay,
Speaker 2: and then it's like, but you did ditch your sick kid,
Speaker 2: but he's like, I send money every month and it's
Speaker 2: actually the mom who doesn't let me see her. I
Speaker 2: want to see her, but she says it's too much
Speaker 2: for Maryelle. And then we talk about the leukemia at six,
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden we hear about leukemia or
Speaker 2: is that the blood cancer?
Speaker 1: Is leukemia? Blood cancer?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's white blood cells. Wow, okay, I learned that
Speaker 2: from the Charlie Brown. Did you ever watch this in school?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: Every year we had to watch a Charlie Brown where
Speaker 2: his girlfriend gets leukemia? No, and then she loses her
Speaker 2: hair and then at the end he pushes her on
Speaker 2: her swing and she takes her hat off and her
Speaker 2: hair's grown back. No, yeah, we watched this Charlie Brown
Speaker 2: cancer thing. Every year Devonshire, what's up, dolphins?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: And they're like, did you save any old records? Like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know as the dad, and he has some. So
Speaker 2: that's really good. So we're gonna find some of the
Speaker 2: older doctors and start putting this medical history together.
Speaker 1: So we're grateful that they found this father.
Speaker 2: So Ice, who's in charge of SVU, while Benson's away,
Speaker 2: is like, hey, so what is this diagnosi? It's like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And this is an episode where this
Speaker 2: is Amanda's case, Like Amanda is very passionate about this,
Speaker 2: and so she says Munchausen's by proxy, and Finn, it's
Speaker 2: like the mulaney joke in my head where he's like,
Speaker 2: Munchausen's by proxy? What's that? It's season nineteen. It's season nineteen, Finn.
Speaker 2: This isn't even the first episode where there's been Munchhausen's
Speaker 2: by proxy, right, you.
Speaker 4: Know there's actually been Munchausens and Munchauses by proxy on
Speaker 4: this show.
Speaker 2: Well, because Munchhausen's one of my favorite when the guy
Speaker 2: pushes her in the wheelchair and yeah, the pool Rebecca
Speaker 2: de Mornay, baby, I love that episode so much.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's based on a crime. I want
Speaker 4: to do it so bad, but I don't think it's
Speaker 4: based on anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we'll do it. I want force it. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll force it to be based on something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Amanda explains what Munchausen's by proxy is and if some
Speaker 2: of you are like iced tea slash Fin and they
Speaker 2: you don't know what it is. It's basically when a
Speaker 2: parent makes up issues in their kids for attention. And
Speaker 2: Amanda is positive she is looking at this and so
Speaker 2: then we get all the scoop from all the records
Speaker 2: and there's been like dozens of doctors through six different states,
Speaker 2: fifty medications and surgeries and so many diagnoses, so this
Speaker 2: is an issue. And Ice is like, well, isn't this
Speaker 2: a little bit on the doctors And Amanda goes, not
Speaker 2: really if you move all the time, and then like
Speaker 2: you fill in the gaps and the records are lost
Speaker 2: and the doctors believe the mom with you know, you
Speaker 2: believe the Yeah. So Amanda's like, this mom is medicating
Speaker 2: and making her daughter sick and I'm going to get
Speaker 2: to the fucking bottom of it. And Ice is like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, let's call Olivia. No Ice doesn't want
Speaker 2: to do work, so he's like, call Olivia, call Barbara,
Speaker 2: call child Services. I'm going to my desk. I'm chilling.
Speaker 2: We cut to Mariel in an interrogation room with blinds
Speaker 2: and windows, some more of like, you know, the meeting room,
Speaker 2: not the scary interrogation room, and she's like, when can
Speaker 2: me and my mom go home? And Rollin's is like
Speaker 2: sh so. Then in the other room, the more like
Speaker 2: scary cement type room, we have the mom and Careesi
Speaker 2: inside and outside is Finn, Olivia and Barbara and they're
Speaker 2: having a little gossip session. And then Olivia walks into
Speaker 2: the interrogation room with a ton of files in her
Speaker 2: hands to talk to the mom, and the mom likes
Speaker 2: that she's lieutenant. She goes, finally somebody in charge, like
Speaker 2: I need to see my daughter. I'm sure she's so scared,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And Olivia is so calm, so sexy,
Speaker 2: so determined, and starts going through the papers and she's like, listen,
Speaker 2: this one doctor did twenty tests between May and October
Speaker 2: and they were all negative, so what is you know?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: She goes, if you have a sick kid, you keep
Speaker 2: on pushing. You don't tell you, don't let one doctor
Speaker 2: tell you it's okay, Like you have to find and
Speaker 2: it is a good point, you know, would be d Wong,
Speaker 2: host of that show Something is killing Me, and it
Speaker 2: is about something being wrong with people and no doctors
Speaker 2: being able to see it. So I understand that mentality
Speaker 2: of like fuck this doctor, but twenty tests.
Speaker 1: You know, because I used to do this.
Speaker 2: I would go to my gynecologist over and I think
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this on the podcast before, and I kept
Speaker 2: saying I have problems, and she slowly was trying to
Speaker 2: be like, your problems are in your head and you
Speaker 2: need to leave me alone. She's like, I can't. You
Speaker 2: can't come you can't come back here. So Benson is
Speaker 2: a little bit like okay, Like I think she realizes
Speaker 2: I have to go like this is I need to
Speaker 2: speed this up, like this is not going to get
Speaker 2: it and I just really have to confront her. So
Speaker 2: she goes, I'm gonna be honest with you, lady. You
Speaker 2: were not looking for doctors to help cure your daughter.
Speaker 2: You were looking for doctors to agree with you. And
Speaker 2: she responds, no, I'm a good mother, and then she
Speaker 2: says that she grew up in an awful, abusive home
Speaker 2: and she is here to give her daughter love. And
Speaker 2: they're like, that's not love, but now we see motives.
Speaker 2: She was abused, and so now she wants to like
Speaker 2: dote on this daughter so much. So Cariese is like, listen,
Speaker 2: we know you love your daughter. We are not denying that.
Speaker 2: And she says, all I want for my child is
Speaker 2: to be well and healthy and happy, and it's all
Speaker 2: I've ever wanted for her. And she starts screaming for
Speaker 2: her daughter and runs out of the room and says,
Speaker 2: I'm taking her home. And then Maryelle just like wheels
Speaker 2: in AND's like mommy, mommy, and Carise is holding the
Speaker 2: mama back and she's like screaming. And then mary Alle
Speaker 2: gets up and you know she does have a hard
Speaker 2: time walking, but she starts walking slowly to her mom
Speaker 2: and then fuck, she has a seizure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so scary.
Speaker 2: So now it's like shit, shit, shit, you know this
Speaker 2: miner is having a seizure. What's gonna happen? Who started
Speaker 2: a seizure? Like, we can't deny that there's a problem. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So then Benson is taking a little nap at the hospital.
Speaker 2: Where at the hospital you can you know, they call
Speaker 2: a bus.
Speaker 1: Okay, So.
Speaker 2: Benson's like napping in the hospital waiting room having nightmares
Speaker 2: about Grandma Sheila again, and Melinda get her some ketamine.
Speaker 2: So then Melinda wakes her up and asks what's up
Speaker 2: and lets Olivia know that baby girl mary Ala is
Speaker 2: recovering and basically she had so many supplements inside of
Speaker 2: her and that that's what caused the seizure and she
Speaker 2: does not have MD or a seizure disorder wild So
Speaker 2: then it's like, did the mom purposely research what would
Speaker 2: give her seizures or was she just giving her all
Speaker 2: these meds? You know? So the dad's gonna drive up
Speaker 2: from Pennsylvania and mary ELL's recovering and we will see
Speaker 2: what happens next. And what's next is where Bellevy with
Speaker 2: the mom and she is like, if I wanted to
Speaker 2: harm her.
Speaker 1: I could have.
Speaker 2: I could have fucked with her feeding tubes and made
Speaker 2: her overdose. And the doctor, the therapist is like, well,
Speaker 2: did you ever think about that, because that's like you're
Speaker 2: telling on yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, as someone.
Speaker 2: Who would not do that, I would never that would
Speaker 2: not I wouldn't be like, I could fuck with her
Speaker 2: feeding tube if I wanted to be, Like, wait, what what.
Speaker 1: Are you saying?
Speaker 2: So she reveals that her stepfather would hurt her, and
Speaker 2: the therapist does seem famous to me?
Speaker 1: Like I know her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, her name is Carolyn McCormick. She was in sixty
Speaker 4: six episodes of Law and Order Original recipe. She's been
Speaker 4: in six episodes of this one and a sprinkling in
Speaker 4: seasons one and two. Then she did one in season fourteen,
Speaker 4: and now she's in two episodes this season of season nineteen. Wow,
Speaker 4: not a criminal intent to trial by jury, like she's
Speaker 4: all over the franchise, but Law and Order, you guys
Speaker 4: all know.
Speaker 1: Her from Law and Order Original recipe, damn. And she's
Speaker 1: always doctor e Levett or no, yeah, she's always doctor
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Alive.
Speaker 2: And so Barbara and Careesy are like chatting, said Barbara, Well, okay,
Speaker 2: so they're chatting and they're listening to what's happening with
Speaker 2: the therapist, and they're like, fuck, she could get off
Speaker 2: on a psych defense and Barbara is like, who cares,
Speaker 2: Like I don't care about that. We just have to
Speaker 2: make sure she never gets custody of her daughter. Again
Speaker 2: like jail or no jail. Our goal is to get
Speaker 2: this daughter away from this fucking mother. And the mom
Speaker 2: starts saying that, like when she would get abused by
Speaker 2: her stepdad, she would pretend that she was hurt way
Speaker 2: worse than she was, so then she could stay home
Speaker 2: from school with her mom and get attention. So you know,
Speaker 2: the therapist is very good, giving b D a run
Speaker 2: for his money. And she's like, oh, so you learn,
Speaker 2: you know, like you learn to manipulate authority for self preservation.
Speaker 2: Good for you, But why did you give your kid
Speaker 2: meds that gave her a seizure? And she's like, I
Speaker 2: wanted someone to see that she was sick and to
Speaker 2: treat her. And the doctor all of that comes out
Speaker 2: and tells Barba and Creasy like she has every diagnostic
Speaker 2: for Munchausen's by proxy, and she knows what she is
Speaker 2: doing is wrong and she doesn't know why she's doing it,
Speaker 2: but she can't stop doing it. But she is confident
Speaker 2: enough for trial, so we will see you in court.
Speaker 1: We cut to them.
Speaker 2: Letting Mary all know what's been happening, and she obviously
Speaker 2: is not happy with the news. She's like, I haven't
Speaker 2: been sick this whole time, and they're like, no, you're
Speaker 2: actually fine and you're gonna be healthy and you're gonna
Speaker 2: walk and you're gonna do everything.
Speaker 1: It might take a little bit, but you'll be good.
Speaker 2: And I know it's hard to believe your mom made
Speaker 2: you sick and gave you meds to make you sick,
Speaker 2: but that's what happened. And she asks why, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a great question. We don't know what to tell you. No,
Speaker 2: Rollin says there's something wrong with her brain and she
Speaker 2: didn't know how to take care of you. And Mary
Speaker 2: Alle's like, but she loves me, and we're like we know,
Speaker 2: we know she's just fucked in her head. Okay, but
Speaker 2: that would be horrific. I can't imagine finding that out.
Speaker 2: So then a very super cute moment alert Barba is
Speaker 2: at Live's house and there's like a stuffed animal elephant
Speaker 2: and he's surrounded by blocks like it's in jail.
Speaker 1: But I was like, yeah, I never trusted that elephant.
Speaker 1: What did he do?
Speaker 2: And I just I liked it. So they're chatting like
Speaker 2: do we do jail or mental health facility? Like what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen? And then they talk about Sheila Porter again
Speaker 2: for a little bit and Noah Benson cries, it's too
Speaker 2: tears up, tears up, not cries, and then her phone rings,
Speaker 2: not good news, and it's Finn and Don.
Speaker 1: This is awful. I hate this scene.
Speaker 2: So Don just showed up at Mercy Hospital and is
Speaker 2: trying to rip an IV outside out of Maryelle's arm
Speaker 2: and she's crying and the dad is like, fuck you bitch,
Speaker 2: and she yells I love you and she's screaming, and
Speaker 2: the Maryelle goes, you love making me sick, and you
Speaker 2: took my life away from me and you almost killed me.
Speaker 1: And she's like, they're lying, they're lying. I'm the only
Speaker 1: one who knows how to take care of you.
Speaker 2: Roll of a lifetime, you know, screaming and crying, being
Speaker 2: taken away by tons of people.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: And mary Elle's like, I just want to be normal,
Speaker 2: sweet girl, but you never will, Okay. So Rollin's is
Speaker 2: like super moved by the case, and Don made bail
Speaker 2: and she's out again and she has and she got
Speaker 2: out because there's like supporters on her gofund me that
Speaker 2: are bailing her out. And I don't know if there
Speaker 2: are other munch houses by proxy people, or there are
Speaker 2: people that have just been, you know, following Maryelle's sickness.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why would you you would want to keep
Speaker 2: the mom in not help her get out? Rollin said
Speaker 2: what she did is unforgivable, but she is sick and
Speaker 2: it's weird to punish her. And Creasey's like, why don't
Speaker 2: you just go home and be with your daughter? Okay,
Speaker 2: so that's nice. Oh and then he gives her a
Speaker 2: little speech and I don't love it, but he's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're a cop and you're a single mom. Just admit
Speaker 2: your life is hard sometimes I don't know. Rolin gets
Speaker 2: a call from Maryelle and basically goes, stay where you are.
Speaker 2: We're on our way. Done done. Don is dead, The
Speaker 2: mom is dead. The mom is in a pool of
Speaker 2: blood from her neck on the floor. Mary Alle is
Speaker 2: just sitting at the table, chill as hell. Mary All
Speaker 2: goes she's dead and I killed her and that's that?
Speaker 1: What if? That was the end? Okay?
Speaker 2: And she said it felt so good and energetic, and
Speaker 2: I feel alive and I saw colors in my whole
Speaker 2: life and I thought I was stupid, but my own
Speaker 2: mother did this to me.
Speaker 1: And Barbara's like, wait, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 2: And she's kind of like now becoming a sassy teenager,
Speaker 2: Like they're like, you know, the meds are disappearing, and
Speaker 2: she's feeling she's just like a bitchy teen and I
Speaker 2: love to see it. And she was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: what happened after my mom came to the hospital and
Speaker 2: tried to kill me?
Speaker 1: And that is what happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, what would you do if your mom broke
Speaker 2: a protective order and started pulling tubes out of your arms?
Speaker 1: I mean, I fucking twisted.
Speaker 2: And basically, it's like she was she was scared because
Speaker 2: it's like the mom could always come back, she was
Speaker 2: always in danger. She's always gonna feel scared, like she's
Speaker 2: never gonna leave me alone, and so she grabbed a
Speaker 2: hammer and beat the shit out of her mom, Like
Speaker 2: she doesn't understand that her mom is also sick, but
Speaker 2: she doesn't have to. I mean, she's a teen who's
Speaker 2: been abused for her whole life.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: We're asking a lot out of her, and maybe they
Speaker 2: should have had more protective services for her.
Speaker 1: Or something.
Speaker 2: So Maryelle says, like, you know, she had to go
Speaker 2: talk to her and confront her and be like, you
Speaker 2: need to leave me alone and live my life. But
Speaker 2: obviously the mom's not going to take it great and
Speaker 2: kept trying to hug her and she's like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to hug you. And then the mom went to
Speaker 2: go get pills to like chill her out, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't need pills. I need you to leave me alone.
Speaker 2: And the mom's like, you're my daughter forever, you will
Speaker 2: always need me to take care of you. So she
Speaker 2: hit her with the hammer and it's like, were you
Speaker 2: just trying to hurt her or did you like cause
Speaker 2: she was coming at you, or did you set this
Speaker 2: whole thing up so look like self defense? Did you
Speaker 2: go to murder her? Like what was actually the motive here? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And she's like, don't you get it. She would never
Speaker 2: have left me alone or let me live. I was
Speaker 2: finally in control and it felt good. And then the
Speaker 2: dad realizes what's up and it's like you've said enough,
Speaker 2: shut your mouth, but like nicely, and then he goes like,
Speaker 2: my daughter's been brutalized for years, let her go and
Speaker 2: Barbara says, I can't do that. So the dad finally realizes, like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call a lawyer, and Barbo goes, I think
Speaker 2: that's correct.
Speaker 1: So now we're at court.
Speaker 2: Melinda's on the stand and she said the cause of
Speaker 2: death is blunt force trauma from the back of the head,
Speaker 2: which is not good for self defense. And then our
Speaker 2: girl from intimidation game, Mousam Macar in the building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's.
Speaker 2: The defense attorney and it was really awesome to see her.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so she so she hit her mom three times,
Speaker 2: and the way they know that I was from blood splatter,
Speaker 2: Hello Dexter. And so every time the hammer was hit,
Speaker 2: the blood pushback would go on the wall. And there's
Speaker 2: three of those. And Melinda has straight hair here if
Speaker 2: you were wondering. So then the defense our girl, Mousam,
Speaker 2: she brings up these highlighted articles. So basically, Marielle was
Speaker 2: on Google that day trying to like figure out what
Speaker 2: has happened to her and what she read about much
Speaker 2: in biproxies that there's no cure and the sentence could
Speaker 2: be as little as a year, and the mom already
Speaker 2: violated an order of protection and was trying to rip
Speaker 2: an IV out of her. So I understand if Maryell
Speaker 2: lost faith in the system and knew that she had
Speaker 2: to protect herself and to save her own life from
Speaker 2: this batshit woman who was gonna continue to try to
Speaker 2: poison and kill her and Moles of like kind of
Speaker 2: starts tearing up during this, like she's a very good
Speaker 2: lawyer and actress.
Speaker 1: But she, you know, is doing a really good job.
Speaker 2: And it's one of my favorite judges and a sexy,
Speaker 2: sexy updo love her with like light red hair. Barbara
Speaker 2: Caresi and Rollins do a walk and talk that looks
Speaker 2: fun as hell through the hallways. I would love to
Speaker 2: be able to shoot a walk and talk scene in
Speaker 2: that marble court hallway.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And they're going over the details in the case, and
Speaker 2: you know, Barbara is a good guy and he's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: like what am I doing? Like I'm trying to put
Speaker 2: this teenager away? Like I don't what's going on. And
Speaker 2: so then they get more evidence and we find out
Speaker 2: that she watched The Little Mermaids seven times in three days,
Speaker 2: and that's Cody's favorite movie.
Speaker 1: So mary Elle is.
Speaker 2: Now on the stand and talking about how she just
Speaker 2: wanted to be normal and her life sucked, and now
Speaker 2: she's getting healthier and stronger and has hope, and she's
Speaker 2: wearing a black sexy lace top that Alex's cabot would
Speaker 2: have definitely called her a slut and put a.
Speaker 1: Coat on her.
Speaker 2: She said she intended to just tell her to leave
Speaker 2: me alone and stay away from me, but she just
Speaker 2: realized that would never happen.
Speaker 1: And the jury of course.
Speaker 2: Feels sorry for her and like does want to put
Speaker 2: her in jail obviously, right, but she just felt that
Speaker 2: she had nothing to do and she had to be free,
Speaker 2: and so she swung the hammer. Now you know, Barbara
Speaker 2: has a plan with this fucking little Mermaid stuff, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, leave her alone, but he brings up what
Speaker 2: you do in the two hours? She said, they want,
Speaker 2: you know, little mermaids. So little Mermaid has entered the chat,
Speaker 2: and basically Barbara gets out of her that she liked
Speaker 2: Cody and wanted him, but her mother wouldn't let her
Speaker 2: get any So the mom took her out of school
Speaker 2: because of Cody, and that's why the cops came, and
Speaker 2: that's how it all started. The mom said that she
Speaker 2: would that Maryell would never see Cody again and never walk.
Speaker 2: And so Barbara is like, wait, so she stole your childhood,
Speaker 2: she's stealing your future, So like, what's going on? And
Speaker 2: she says like Ariel in the movies is mad at
Speaker 2: her father, but he let her get married, and my
Speaker 2: mom is Ursula. She is bad and she was never
Speaker 2: gonna let me live. And she starts yelling I hate her,
Speaker 2: I hate her. I wanted her dead and I'm not sorry.
Speaker 2: Everyone is looking shocked. I hope the jury lets her go, though,
Speaker 2: because I think the defense did great, and I would
Speaker 2: I would have been a hold out in this case.
Speaker 2: I would have been like, I'm not guilty, I'm not guilty,
Speaker 2: I'm not guilty.
Speaker 4: I don't care. I want to be on a jury.
Speaker 4: I don't think you would have been chosen. But yeah, wow,
Speaker 4: that was so rude of you in this case. I
Speaker 4: think it would have been very hard for you to
Speaker 4: hide your disdain.
Speaker 2: I don't think we could ever actually be on a
Speaker 2: jury again, because we research all this shit so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want to sign. We'd have to lie. Well yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's also fucked like, if you've been sexually assaulted,
Speaker 2: you can't sit on a jury of a rape case,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, so, yeah, eighty percent of women,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like whatever, right, So we cut to
Speaker 2: Benson after that wild admission in the courtroom and Benson
Speaker 2: is pouring suspender clad Barba a stiff drink at the
Speaker 2: apartment and she's like, listen, you're doing your job and
Speaker 2: he's like, okay, yeah, by sending a horrifically abused teenager
Speaker 2: to jail. And she's like, can you drop the charges?
Speaker 2: And he starts babbling about integrity of the law and
Speaker 2: he's like, the law says she's guilty. You know, the
Speaker 2: law says she's guilty, but your the heart says she's not.
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do? And he just doesn't
Speaker 1: fucking know.
Speaker 2: So now January eighth, we're headed back to court and
Speaker 2: Barba's in an elevator talking really loudly on the phone
Speaker 2: about how she could get life in prison, and the
Speaker 2: woman in the elevator's like, wait, she could get life,
Speaker 2: and then it's like, uh oh, so basically there were
Speaker 2: jurors in the elevator and did he do this on purpose?
Speaker 1: And he did? I think he did.
Speaker 4: His face looks really shocked, when he realizes that they're
Speaker 4: in the elevator with him.
Speaker 1: I didn't get the vibe that he did it on purpose.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I think he did it on purpose. We'll put a
Speaker 2: pole up. We'll put a pole up. Okay, So he goes,
Speaker 2: fuck you guys are the jurors?
Speaker 1: What are we going to do?
Speaker 2: So then the jurors and the judge they all go
Speaker 2: talk to each other and she's like, I don't how
Speaker 2: did this happen? So now we're like in the courtroom
Speaker 2: having a little thing with Judge Barba and these jurors.
Speaker 2: There's three jurors that hurt him, and the three jurors
Speaker 2: are talking that she can get life, and so the
Speaker 2: judge has to declare a mistrial. She was left with
Speaker 2: no choice, and then Barba is like, hey, can we
Speaker 2: actually move this to family court? And she says, if
Speaker 2: this was your plan and I find out about this,
Speaker 2: I will get your fucking ass. You can see Novak acting, motherfucker,
Speaker 2: and I guess we find out the judge read him
Speaker 2: like the riot act to.
Speaker 1: Like Chambers and Chambers.
Speaker 2: So Benson and Barbara talk and she's like, listen, I
Speaker 2: have absolute faith in your humanity and I really like
Speaker 2: that saying or how she said it, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So family Court gave Mariyella three year sentence that was
Speaker 2: suspended to probation and community service and mental health evaluations.
Speaker 2: So justice was served, Benson says, and I do believe that,
Speaker 2: And he says, I hope so, but I believe justice
Speaker 2: was served. I do not think she deserves to go
Speaker 2: to jail for murder. If she wanted to meet that,
Speaker 2: if she wanted to kill her mom, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: And so we meet her outside with Careesi and Rollins
Speaker 2: and the dad's loading up the truck and they got them,
Speaker 2: you know, the dad got them an apartment. And she's like,
Speaker 2: I have to do lots of therapy, but this is amazing,
Speaker 2: and Cody's gonna volunteer with me and he's gonna like
Speaker 2: start helping people with me.
Speaker 1: And Rollins is.
Speaker 2: Like, get it, get your whole life, girl, And then
Speaker 2: she goes, do you think it's wrong that I missed
Speaker 2: my mother? And Rollin says, no, I don't take care
Speaker 2: of yourself. So then Careesi asks to go to for
Speaker 2: coffee with Rollins and she's like, I'm gonna go hang
Speaker 2: out with my baby. So she's like feeding Jesse, playing
Speaker 2: fun basketball games with the spoon, and her child has
Speaker 2: really long hair. For how tiny the child is, Like,
Speaker 2: how did this two.
Speaker 4: Year old have hair down her back? Sometimes you see
Speaker 4: kids like that though it's kind of wild. I mean,
Speaker 4: look at like our friend's daughter for instance, she has
Speaker 4: very long hair. But also this Jesse is played by twins.
Speaker 4: I've seen them on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Oh cute, and so Rollins has a lot of feelings.
Speaker 2: So she calls her mom her mom is being a bitch,
Speaker 2: but she gets past that moment in the beginning of
Speaker 2: the call. Great facial acting by Amanda. That's the end
Speaker 2: of the episode. And I'd like to just say, call
Speaker 2: your mom and be happy you're not abused by her.
Speaker 2: And if you are, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: All right, You're in for a real treat with this crime.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised you don't know a lot about it. Stay tuned, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's get into this case. So this is the case
Speaker 4: of the murder of Dede Blanchard and the crimes she
Speaker 4: perpetrated against her daughter, Gypsy Rose Blanchard four years and
Speaker 4: I can't I won't say who, but I will say
Speaker 4: that when I worked at drag Race. One of the
Speaker 4: queens wanted to do Gypsy Rose for Snatch Game, and
Speaker 4: the show wouldn't let him do it, and I was really.
Speaker 1: That would have been incredible. It would have been incredible.
Speaker 4: Okay, So this is a very very famous case. It
Speaker 4: has been made into a Hulu series called The Act.
Speaker 4: It was a HBO documentary called Mommy Dead and Dearest.
Speaker 4: I saw the HBO documentary on an airplane, like when
Speaker 4: it first came out in twenty seventeen. Like, this has
Speaker 4: just been very very like reported on very widely. So
Speaker 4: I rewatched the doc and I did some other research
Speaker 4: for this. But let me take you through what happened.
Speaker 4: So Dede Blanchard was a twenty four year old woman
Speaker 4: who got pregnant by a seventeen year old named Rod Lanchard.
Speaker 1: They were barely a couple.
Speaker 4: In the documentary, he's talking about how you know, when
Speaker 4: you get a girl pregnant in the South, you're taught
Speaker 4: to marry them. They had really nothing in common, and
Speaker 4: you know, their marriage did not last very long. They
Speaker 4: were separated and shortly after their separation, on July twenty seventh,
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one, Gypsy rose was born. So Rod said
Speaker 4: that Dede liked the name Gypsy, and he was a
Speaker 4: Guns n' Roses fan, But neither of them knew about
Speaker 4: Gypsy rose Lee, who was a nineteen twenti's vaudeville star
Speaker 4: that the musical the Broadway musical Gypsy.
Speaker 1: Is based on.
Speaker 4: And she was a stripper who also had a controlling
Speaker 4: stage mother who lied about her daughter's age to make
Speaker 4: her seem younger and forced her to perform even when
Speaker 4: she didn't want to. So kind of crazy that they
Speaker 4: named her that when you get into the rest of
Speaker 4: the story. So when Gypsy was only three months old,
Speaker 4: her mother began suspecting she had illnesses, and over the
Speaker 4: course of her lifetime this is ranged from sleep apnea
Speaker 4: to an unspecified chromosomal disorder, leukemia, asthma, epilepsy, muscular dystropt
Speaker 4: fee and what is written on a list of illnesses
Speaker 4: as mild mental retardation. I know, I know we're not
Speaker 4: supposed to say that, but I'm telling you that on
Speaker 4: the list of illnesses that where it was in this documentary,
Speaker 4: that's what's listed. So they thought that she had, you know,
Speaker 4: developmental delays.
Speaker 1: She was in a.
Speaker 4: Wheelchair, for fourteen years, from around like age ten to
Speaker 4: age twenty four, and according to medical records, a lot
Speaker 4: like what you told us about the episode, Dede brought
Speaker 4: Gypsy to local hospitals over one hundred times between.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five and twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4: Now, Dede to get into her background a little bit,
Speaker 4: not just to touch on it briefly. It's not the
Speaker 4: same situation as Dawn in the episode. She from what
Speaker 4: we know about her, which there could be stuff we
Speaker 4: don't know, of course, but from what we know about her,
Speaker 4: she was not abused, and that she was kind of
Speaker 4: considered by the rest of her family to be a
Speaker 4: map manipulator.
Speaker 1: Like she always was manipulative.
Speaker 4: I'll get into it a little bit as well, Like
Speaker 4: there was a there was a belief in her family
Speaker 4: that she poisoned her stepmom with her stepmom's food with
Speaker 4: round up weed killer, which developed into a chronic illness,
Speaker 4: and as soon as the period ended that she was
Speaker 4: living with her stepmother, the stepmother miraculously got better. And
Speaker 4: then there's also a rumor that her mother, her biological mother,
Speaker 4: was a full manipulator scammer, and that she learned a
Speaker 4: lot of who she became from her mother, and that
Speaker 4: she actually it's alleged that she let her mother starve
Speaker 4: to death. So a lot of fucked up stuff in
Speaker 4: Deedee's life, but nothing to suggest that she was physically
Speaker 4: abused the.
Speaker 1: Way that the character in the show was.
Speaker 4: And so Dede had worked briefly as a nurse's aide
Speaker 4: and had a talent for remembering like medical jargon. So
Speaker 4: she would just kind of walk her like she would
Speaker 4: just sort of breeze her way through these interactions with
Speaker 4: doctors and would just put up a wall of information
Speaker 4: and be like, wells this and this and this and
Speaker 4: this and this, and since everybody just everybody just took
Speaker 4: that information for fact. You know, they're like she knew
Speaker 4: so much you could throw anything at her. She had
Speaker 4: an answer for every question. And in fact, when you're
Speaker 4: looking at a lot of her medical history, a lot
Speaker 4: of times it says on mother's information or upon history
Speaker 4: from mother, like that's where she fills in all the
Speaker 4: blanks basically, so that no one ever really questions, like
Speaker 4: what you were saying, Yeah, you do kind of believe
Speaker 4: a mom when they give a history. So she homeschooled
Speaker 4: Gypsy because her illnesses were so severe, which is another
Speaker 4: way of getting around the checks and balances of school,
Speaker 4: you know, just have them at home. And when Dede's
Speaker 4: family confronted her about her treatment of Gypsy and like
Speaker 4: what's going on with all these illnesses and stuff, she
Speaker 4: actually just bounced and so okay. So they were living
Speaker 4: inside Luisiana, surviving off of child support payments from ROD
Speaker 4: and government assisted housing that they got because of Gypsy's condition,
Speaker 4: and she bounced around to all different doctors and hospitals
Speaker 4: seeking treatment for all of the issues that I mentioned four,
Speaker 4: also hearing and vision problems, frequent seizures, like all these things,
Speaker 4: and Gypsy actually had several surgeries, and d D also
Speaker 4: took her to the er quite a bit. So they're
Speaker 4: living in the New Orleans, the Greater New Orleans area,
Speaker 4: and in August of two thousand and five, after Hurricane
Speaker 4: Katrina hits that area, Dede claims that Gypsy's birth certificate
Speaker 4: and all her medical records are destroyed in the flooding,
Speaker 4: and they relocate to Missouri. And in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 4: I've got a perfect fucking yeah, perfect like oh and
Speaker 4: that so I'll get to it. But in two thousand
Speaker 4: and seven, Habitat for Humanity builds them a house with
Speaker 4: wheelchair accessible ramp. It's like a pink house. It's in Springfield, Missouri.
Speaker 4: So they move there to be in the house.
Speaker 2: I've been there, you know Kenny my friend are friend,
Speaker 2: Kenny my friend I don't know Kenny is from there.
Speaker 1: I've been a spring come friends with Kenny. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been to Springfield, Missouri, like five times.
Speaker 4: Well, basically the community of Springfield like welcomes with open arms.
Speaker 4: Everyone knows the story of this single mom with a
Speaker 4: severely disabled daughter forced to flee Katrina's devastation, and it's
Speaker 4: getting all this media attention, and the community is like
Speaker 4: pitching in to help them all the time. So there's gofundmes,
Speaker 4: there's all this stuff. They often stay in Ronald McDonald's
Speaker 4: houses for their medical appointments. She gets them all these
Speaker 4: free flights to go see doctors at Children's Mercy Hospital
Speaker 4: in Kansas City. They get free trips to Disney backstage
Speaker 4: passes to see Miranda Lambert concerts, who apparently she's been
Speaker 4: frequently photographed with via the Make a Wish Foundation. So,
Speaker 4: like Dede is basically a full on scammer. She's setting
Speaker 4: up all these gofundmes and everything.
Speaker 2: Well, I also wonder if the kid love Miranda Lambert
Speaker 2: or the mom or they all did, Like that's such an.
Speaker 1: Interesting fixation, it is.
Speaker 2: And Miranda Lambert's been in an episode of SVU, so
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 4: One of the only I feel like celebrities to like
Speaker 4: not play themselves in a episode of SVU.
Speaker 1: She plays like an actress trying audition, so odd.
Speaker 4: Brent Blanchard the dad, he's very featured in the documentary,
Speaker 4: and he is making monthly child support payments of twelve
Speaker 4: hundred dollars and he's sending Gypsy gifts. But Dede tells
Speaker 4: other people that he's this abusive drug addict and an
Speaker 4: alcoholic who never came to term with his daughter's health issues,
Speaker 4: much like what happens in the episode where like none
Speaker 4: of that's true, and she tells people he never sends
Speaker 4: them any money, and he's like, I'm sending quite a bit.
Speaker 4: And then Rod occasionally talks to Gypsy on the phone,
Speaker 4: and he talks in the documentary about like one time
Speaker 4: he calls her on her eighteenth birthday and Dede's like
Speaker 4: don't mention that she's eighteen because she thinks she's fourteen,
Speaker 4: because Dede was like psychologically aging her down and convincing
Speaker 4: her that she was younger, because like, you get more sympathy,
Speaker 4: I think and stuff from people thinking you have like
Speaker 4: a sick thirteen year old fourteen year old than like
Speaker 4: you know, getting into womanly age like eighteen, nineteen twenty.
Speaker 4: So he always tried to visit with Gypsy and his
Speaker 4: new wife. She's featured heavily in the documentary as well,
Speaker 4: Gypsy Stepmom, but Dedie always made all these excuses for
Speaker 4: why it couldn't happen. So now people really really love Gypsy.
Speaker 4: Like if you watch this documentary, Gypsy's like got this big,
Speaker 4: like she's a super high, squeaky voice. She's five feet tall,
Speaker 4: she has like a bunch of her teeth are like missing,
Speaker 4: and she has like these huge glasses, and she just
Speaker 4: looks like she does almost like performances for all these
Speaker 4: home videos for her mom, Like she's like I'm about
Speaker 4: to taste my mashed potatoes at Disney World. Like she's
Speaker 4: so excited for like all the things that people give
Speaker 4: her and the little gifts and trips she gets to
Speaker 4: go on, and it's like she's just trying to like
Speaker 4: soldier through the If she was really sick, you would
Speaker 4: obviously be like, oh my god, what an inspiration. This
Speaker 4: little girl's like so positive, you know, and chuff and
Speaker 4: wore wigs and hats to cover up the fact that
Speaker 4: she was bald. And she was obviously not bald because
Speaker 4: of leukemia. She was bald because her mother regularly shaved
Speaker 4: her head to keep up the appearances that she was
Speaker 4: undergoing chemotherapy. And she told Gypsy like, oh, well, your
Speaker 4: medication and you're like, is gonna make your hair fall
Speaker 4: out anyway, So let's just like let's just like make
Speaker 4: it look cute and like just you know, shave your
Speaker 4: head and you know, cut to the not do deal
Speaker 4: with like the full falling out process, you know. And
Speaker 4: so whenever they left the house, Dedee often took an
Speaker 4: oxygen tank with them, and Gypsy had a feeding tube,
Speaker 4: like she had a full feeding tube, a permanent feeding
Speaker 4: tube in her mid section, which is like how you
Speaker 4: get all your nutrients and your food, even though this
Speaker 4: girl was perfectly capable of eating, and she was fed
Speaker 4: the children's liquid nutrition supplement PediaSure into her twenties. So
Speaker 4: not only is Dedie Blanchard making her daughter sick for
Speaker 4: money and attention and you know, prizes basically, but she
Speaker 4: also used to physically abuse her daughter to control her.
Speaker 4: Like she was always holding her hand when they were
Speaker 4: with around other people, and if Gypsy ever started like
Speaker 4: speaking out of school or like saying anything like that
Speaker 4: could reveal anything, she would squeeze her hand really hard,
Speaker 4: and that meant shut your mouth, that meant zip it up,
Speaker 4: and she would hit her and hit her with coat
Speaker 4: hangers later when they were alone, like if she fucked
Speaker 4: up in public, she would punish her later in private.
Speaker 4: And she also told Gypsy never to speak during her
Speaker 4: doctor's appointments and that she would like handle everything, so
Speaker 4: Gypsy could never be like actually that doesn't hurt, or
Speaker 4: I'm actually I can walk, anything like that. So Dede
Speaker 4: had Gypsy's saliva glands treated with botox and then at
Speaker 4: some point they were extracted all together, and this was
Speaker 4: to control her drooling, which Gypsy actually said that her
Speaker 4: mother induced by putting a topical anesthetic like on her
Speaker 4: gums to numb her before doctor's visits, so then she
Speaker 4: would drool uncontrollably and then had her salivary glands removed,
Speaker 4: and then her lack of salivary glands, coupled with US
Speaker 4: anti seizure medication having a bad side effect, basically caused
Speaker 4: all her teeth to decay, to the point that the
Speaker 4: majority of her front teeth were extracted and replaced.
Speaker 1: By a bridge. This is beyond so fucked right. How
Speaker 1: do you even know?
Speaker 2: How do you even know to make someone drool for
Speaker 2: their salavary glands to come out.
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm sure she researched this shit on the internet,
Speaker 4: Like what are things we can do? You know?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: And being a nurse's age, she had some general medical knowledge.
Speaker 4: But like it's it's so upsetting. But Gypsy also had
Speaker 4: tubes in her ears to control her purported ear infections.
Speaker 4: I mean, my little brother had tubes in his ears too.
Speaker 4: But I think the point is she probably didn't have
Speaker 4: ear infections and had to get tubes put in.
Speaker 1: Also, who knew you need to live and to keep
Speaker 1: your teeth? I didn't. Yeah, I think it was that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that comboed with this anti seizure medication like kind
Speaker 4: of rotted her teeth out.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So this doctor, Bernardo Flasterstein, who was featured in the documentary,
Speaker 4: was a pediatric neurologist in Springfield who was suspicious of
Speaker 4: the muscular dystrophe diagnosis. He ordered all these MRIs and
Speaker 4: blood tests, found no abnormalities, and he basically said, Toddie,
Speaker 4: I don't really see why she doesn't walk, and like
Speaker 4: he's like, I can see her stand and support her
Speaker 4: own weight, like she should be able to walk, And
Speaker 4: then he put in his notes in a bold underlined letters.
Speaker 4: Mother is not a good historian, so he could tell
Speaker 4: that the mom was kind of like creating a bunch
Speaker 4: of shit. And so he uh called New Orleans and
Speaker 4: learned that Gypsy's original muscle biopsy that she had had
Speaker 4: done had come back negative. And so Dede's self reported
Speaker 4: muscular dystrophy diagnosis was bullshit, and so was the claim
Speaker 4: that the records had been destroyed in a flood. By
Speaker 4: the way, since he was able to call and get
Speaker 4: the records, so he suspected the possibility of Munchausen syndrome
Speaker 4: by proxy. Yeah, it's widely believed that Dede had Munchausen
Speaker 4: by proxy, which you've already explained munchaus What do you
Speaker 4: mean wildly believed she of course had it. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: well they're saying because she's well, I'll get to it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why.
Speaker 4: But you know, Munchausen syndrome is when a person fakes
Speaker 4: their own shit, and then Munchausen by proxy is when
Speaker 4: they fake it onto someone who they are a caregiver for.
Speaker 4: Obviously usually a child, but I think it can also
Speaker 4: be old, older people. So Munchausen, if you watch Real
Speaker 4: Housewives of Beverly Hills, was a huge thing where people
Speaker 4: thought Yolanda had Munchausen and was making up a lot
Speaker 4: of her illnesses. So anyway, there's a guy in the
Speaker 4: documentary named Mark Feldman who is an expert in Munchausen,
Speaker 4: and he says, this is one of the worst cases
Speaker 4: of it he's ever come across. And what happened was
Speaker 4: the reason that this didn't get flagged more was that
Speaker 4: Dede had figured out how to request medical records and
Speaker 4: so she could see the doctor's notes. So when she
Speaker 4: got the doctor's notes that said not a good historian,
Speaker 4: Munchhausen by proxy, she's out of there. Like whenever she
Speaker 4: sees like a doctor is catching on. She moves to
Speaker 4: a different doctor, and this is her mom and this
Speaker 4: doctor Flasserstein never followed up with social services because they
Speaker 4: were like miniature celebrities in Springfield, like everyone supported them.
Speaker 4: He was told to handle them with quote unquote golden
Speaker 4: gloves like and so he thought, no one will believe me,
Speaker 4: which is kind of I wish he had done more, Uh,
Speaker 4: but you know, what are you gonna do? And then
Speaker 4: he just thought, I don't have enough evidence, like this
Speaker 4: is just kind of my hunch. And so in two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, an anonymous caller who Flazerstine says it
Speaker 4: was not him, told the police about Dde's use of
Speaker 4: different names and birth dates for her and Gypsy and
Speaker 4: suggested that Gypsy was in better health than what Dede
Speaker 4: was claiming, and this resulted in two case workers going
Speaker 4: to visit their home, but d D convinced them that
Speaker 4: there was nothing wrong and that she had changed all
Speaker 4: the names and all the info to hide from her
Speaker 4: abusive X so he wouldn't find them. And they bought it,
Speaker 4: you know, And they also thought Gypsy did legit seem
Speaker 4: like she was mentally impaired. So Dede also doctored birth
Speaker 4: certificates to make everybody think that Gypsy was still a teen,
Speaker 4: including Gypsy. And at age ten, Gypsy started going getting
Speaker 4: really into sci fi and fantasy and like going to
Speaker 4: these conventions and stuff. So then fast forward to twenty eleven,
Speaker 4: she's twenty. She sneaks away from her mom at one
Speaker 4: of these conventions to meet up with a guy that
Speaker 4: I think she'd met on the internet, and she's found
Speaker 4: with this guy in a hotel room. Deeede basically says
Speaker 4: to this guy, oh, she's fifteen, You're gonna be arrested
Speaker 4: even though she's really twenty and so he's done nothing wrong,
Speaker 4: but shows her this fake birth certificate convinced the guy
Speaker 4: he's committed a crime. After that, after she got busted
Speaker 4: with that little escape attempt, Dede smashes Gypsy's computer with
Speaker 4: a hammer. I don't know if that's where the SVW
Speaker 4: episode of ham but Gypsy. Dede smashes Gypsy's computer with
Speaker 4: a hammer and kept her leashed and handcuffed to her
Speaker 4: bed for two weeks, and she told Gypsy this is
Speaker 4: what's so so fucked up. She told Gypsy that she'd
Speaker 4: filed police paperwork claiming that Gypsy was mentally in comp
Speaker 4: so that if Gypsy ever attempted to escape and go
Speaker 4: to the police, no one would believe her. So it's
Speaker 4: essentially like almost like a conservatorship. Around twenty twelve, Gypsy
Speaker 4: somehow continues to use the Internet even though her computer's
Speaker 4: been smashed. I think maybe she earns privileges and gets
Speaker 4: the internet back. She goes on the Internet after her
Speaker 4: mom goes to bed, and she makes contact on a
Speaker 4: Christian dating site with a guy named Nicholas. Go to
Speaker 4: John and he is around her age and he's from
Speaker 4: Big Ben, Wisconsin, and yeah, they meet in like a
Speaker 4: Christian singles group and go to John had a criminal
Speaker 4: record for indecent exposure, and he did have a history
Speaker 4: of mental illness. He was some I guess it was
Speaker 4: sometimes reported as having dissociated identity disorder, but he also
Speaker 4: was a person with Asperger syndrome. And in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: so at this time, Gypsy's probably around twenty three, but
Speaker 4: you know, thinks she's younger. She arranges and pays for
Speaker 4: go to John to come and meet her mom in Springfield.
Speaker 1: They had never met in person.
Speaker 4: Somehow Gypsy and go to John meet in person for
Speaker 4: the first time and go have sex in a bathroom
Speaker 4: because I guess d D's not around, And then the
Speaker 4: two of them continue their internet relationship and eventually begin
Speaker 4: hatching a plan to kill Dedie. So at this point,
Speaker 4: Gypsy knows there's fake illnesses or just the other abuse
Speaker 4: and being held captive that has got Yes, I.
Speaker 1: Think she's starting to get older.
Speaker 4: She's kind of like I want to have some freedom,
Speaker 4: and like every time I try to go like meet
Speaker 4: up with a guy, my mom smashes.
Speaker 1: My computer and handcuffs me to a bed, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like, I think things are getting out like more punitive
Speaker 4: because she's getting older and probably harder to control. So
Speaker 4: and talking to guys online, she tells them their situation
Speaker 4: and they're probably like that's not okay, like we got
Speaker 4: to get you out of this or whatever. So in
Speaker 4: June of twenty fifteen, go to John returns to Springfield.
Speaker 4: He waits until Dedie goes to sleep, and he's in
Speaker 4: the Blanchard house and Gypsy allowed him in and allegedly
Speaker 4: gave him duct tape, gloves and a knife with the
Speaker 4: understanding that he would use it to murder. Did Gypsy
Speaker 4: hid in the bathroom and apparently covered her ears so
Speaker 4: she wouldn't hear her mom screaming and then go to
Speaker 4: John stabbed DEDI seventeen times in her back while she
Speaker 4: was asleep and Didi was forty four years old.
Speaker 2: Well, she obviously inherited some of her mom's manipulation tactics
Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 4: So I think you kind of get that idea while
Speaker 4: watching the documentary and reading about this, because so what
Speaker 4: happens is like what I read in one place was
Speaker 4: that after they kill her, they have sex in Gypsy's
Speaker 4: room and then take four thousand dollars in cash that
Speaker 4: Dide had been keeping in the house. What Gypsy says
Speaker 4: in the documentary is that Goda John had wanted to
Speaker 4: rape her mother, and she had made it a deal
Speaker 4: with him, like you can reape me and just don't
Speaker 4: rape my mom.
Speaker 1: And so I can't tell if the sex was consensual.
Speaker 4: She says in the documentary that it's not, but I
Speaker 4: think other people can't tell if she's lying because I'll
Speaker 4: get into more of what she talks about when she
Speaker 4: is finally brought in.
Speaker 1: But like they flee to a.
Speaker 4: Motel outside of Springfield, where they stayed for a few
Speaker 4: days planning their next move. They're seen on a lot
Speaker 4: of security cameras. There's home video footage of them like
Speaker 4: giggling in hotel rooms, like excited that they're gonna get
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like that they're gonna that
Speaker 4: they're on the road and traveling and this and that.
Speaker 4: So there's not really from what you can glean from
Speaker 4: the tapes.
Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be a lot of remorse from
Speaker 1: either party.
Speaker 4: So Gypsy said that at one point she believed that
Speaker 4: they had gotten away with it. They mailed the murder
Speaker 4: weapon back to go to John's home in Wisconsin to
Speaker 4: avoid being caught with it in person, and then they
Speaker 4: took a bus to uh to Wisconsin to where go
Speaker 4: to John lived with his family. Several witnesses saw them
Speaker 4: like on their way to the Greayhound station and saw
Speaker 4: that Gypsy was wearing a blond wig and was walking
Speaker 4: without a wheelchair or any kind of cane or walker
Speaker 4: or anything.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So what happened was at this point, no one has
Speaker 4: discovered Dede's body yet, and so people are getting suspicious
Speaker 4: because there's a few weird Facebook status updates on a
Speaker 4: Facebook account that d Dye and Gypsy share. One of
Speaker 4: the posts said that bitch is dead, and then the
Speaker 4: next one said, or a comment under that post said,
Speaker 4: I fucking slashed that fat peg and raped her sweet
Speaker 4: innocent daughter. Her scream was so fucking loud lol, kind
Speaker 4: of wild, obviously going to cause alarm, and Gypsy later
Speaker 4: explained that she wrote those posts because she wanted her
Speaker 4: mother's body to be discovered, like she wanted to sort
Speaker 4: of signify that there was something awry. And so people
Speaker 4: got to the house, they discovered that Ded was murdered
Speaker 4: in the bed and Gypsy's not there, and none of
Speaker 4: her oxygen is gone, and like her wheelchairs there, so
Speaker 4: they're kind of like, oh, no, someone's kidnapped Gypsy and
Speaker 4: she's never going to survive without all her meds and
Speaker 4: her oxygen and all the things that she needs. This
Speaker 4: is like what everybody thinks, because everyone in the whole
Speaker 4: community is like behind her and thinks that she's this ill.
Speaker 4: They think she's this ill nineteen year old, but she's
Speaker 4: actually twenty four. So they trace those status updates to
Speaker 4: ask and that's where Gypsy and go to John surrendered
Speaker 4: and we're taken into custody. So when they bring her in,
Speaker 4: there's footage in this documentary where Gypsy's acting like she
Speaker 4: doesn't know that her mom is dead, like they tell
Speaker 4: her and she's like wait what and like crime, It's
Speaker 4: like not true, you know, like there's messaging between them
Speaker 4: that kind of supports that she knew this was going
Speaker 4: to happen. But essentially, after the word gets out that
Speaker 4: Dedie had been fully munchausening her daughter for her entire life,
Speaker 4: the sympathy really moves off of ded and onto Gypsy,
Speaker 4: And basically the prosecutor is like, I'm not seeking the
Speaker 4: death penalty, even though Missouri's a death penalty state. They're like,
Speaker 4: I'm not seeking the death penalty for either one of them,
Speaker 4: and he calls the case quote extraordinary and unusual, and
Speaker 4: he basically offers Gypsy a plea deal of second degree murder,
Speaker 4: and in July of twenty fifteen, she accepted the plea
Speaker 4: deal and was sentenced to ten years in prison, So
Speaker 4: she is still in prison. She is do for parole
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four, and she was so undernourished during
Speaker 4: the year that she was in jail that she actually
Speaker 4: gained fourteen pounds, whereas most people lose weight in jail,
Speaker 4: she gained fourteen pounds and was sort of like starting
Speaker 4: to live like a normal, healthy person in prison and
Speaker 4: then go to John faced more severe charges because prosecutors
Speaker 4: sort of thought that he initiated the murder plot, and
Speaker 4: both he and Gypsy agreed that he was the one
Speaker 4: who actually did kill DTI, so her plea bargain agreement
Speaker 4: did not require her to testify against him. So in
Speaker 4: January twenty seventeen, his trial was postponed when prosecutors requested
Speaker 4: a second psychiatric exam, and his lawyers contended he had
Speaker 4: an intelligence quotion of eighty two and being on the
Speaker 4: autism spectrum that it was suggesting that he had diminished capacity,
Speaker 4: so that's.
Speaker 1: A little confusing.
Speaker 4: He initially waived his right to trial by jury, but
Speaker 4: then changed his mind, so finally, in November of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 4: he has a trial. Prosecutors contended that he had deliberated
Speaker 4: about committing this crime for over a year, so this
Speaker 4: was not like a last minute crime of passion. This
Speaker 4: was like a planned, planned, fully premeditated thing, and his
Speaker 4: lawyers pointed to his autism and said that Gypsy had
Speaker 4: formulated the crime and that the love struck boy had
Speaker 4: just done what she asked.
Speaker 1: And he in the dock.
Speaker 4: He's being interrogated and they're like, would you have ever
Speaker 4: done this if Gypsy hadn't like asked you And he's like, no, never,
Speaker 4: Like I never would have killed this woman if Gypsy
Speaker 4: didn't tell me too.
Speaker 1: I just did it because I love her.
Speaker 4: So I don't know how much manipulation, but like one
Speaker 4: thing that somebody said in the documentary was like, to
Speaker 4: live with DD your whole life. There's no way that
Speaker 4: her manipulative tactics didn't sink into you somehow, you know,
Speaker 4: Like that's how Dedie became, how she was. Her mother
Speaker 4: was a master manipulator, you know. So it's sort of
Speaker 4: like you do feel horrible for Gypsy, but you're like,
Speaker 4: I tend to believe that she had a little bit
Speaker 4: more awhaerewithal about the planning. Then she lets on the prosecutor,
Speaker 4: showed jurors text messages. Some of them were like sexually
Speaker 4: explicit that Gypsy and go to John shared, like the
Speaker 4: week before the murder, and like pictures that involved the
Speaker 4: knife that was used for the murder and some of
Speaker 4: the texts. He asked her for details about Dede's room
Speaker 4: and sleeping habits, and then also he confessed he confessed
Speaker 4: to killing her as well. So I guess even though
Speaker 4: her plea deals said that she didn't have to testify,
Speaker 4: she did testify in his trial on the third day.
Speaker 1: Everything the information is is well and so.
Speaker 4: She said that while she had suggested to go to
Speaker 4: John that he killed Dede to end the abuse, she
Speaker 4: had also considered getting pregnant by him in the hope
Speaker 4: that once she was carrying his child, Dedee would have
Speaker 4: to like accept him as her boyfriend and you know,
Speaker 4: husband or whatever. So, along with the knife that she
Speaker 4: eventually gave to go to John, she stole baby clothes
Speaker 4: from Walmart during a shopping trip so that she could
Speaker 4: have both plans ready, like the pregnancy plan or the
Speaker 4: murder plan. So, after four days, the case went to
Speaker 4: the jury and the jury had the option of convicting
Speaker 4: god John on one of three murder charges in voluntary manslaughter,
Speaker 4: second degree murder, or first degree murder, and after two
Speaker 4: hours of deliberation, they did find him guilty of first
Speaker 4: DGREAE murder and armed criminal action. So in February twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: He is sentenced to life in prison for the murder conviction,
Speaker 4: and they did try to get go To John a
Speaker 4: new trial, but the judge denied it, and they said
Speaker 4: that the jury should not have been allowed to hear
Speaker 4: that Goda John had considered raping Deity on the night
Speaker 4: of the murder. He also argued that the state psychologists
Speaker 4: should not have been allowed to testify, while go To
Speaker 4: John's psychologists should have been allowed to testify to establish
Speaker 4: his diminished capacity, but the judge denied the motion, but
Speaker 4: did concede that an appeals court could find the latter
Speaker 4: point significant and considerate reversible error. So the judge denied
Speaker 4: the motion but said I could see how this could
Speaker 4: be proven later or something. Didi's family in Louisiana this
Speaker 4: is wild, Like they're on the documentary basically saying that
Speaker 4: they're not sad she's dead. Her father and her stepmother
Speaker 4: and her nephew, who all had been like suspicious about
Speaker 4: Gypsy's health situation, later said that they thought that Dedee
Speaker 4: kind of deserved what happened to her, and that Gypsy
Speaker 4: had been punished as much as she should be, and
Speaker 4: that they should she should be released, and none of
Speaker 4: them would pay for Dede's funeral and even pick up
Speaker 4: her ashes. Her father and stepmother were given the ashes
Speaker 4: and they flushed them down the toilet. So no love
Speaker 4: lost over Dede Blanchard's death with her family. Rod Blanchard,
Speaker 4: Gypsy's father, basically is like, I think Dede's problem was
Speaker 4: she started a web of lies and there was no
Speaker 4: escaping after. That's what he told BuzzFeed in this article,
Speaker 4: this long article in BuzzFeed written by this woman named
Speaker 4: Michelle Dean. That is what the act is based on
Speaker 4: the BuzzFeed article. The Hulu show is based off the
Speaker 4: BuzzFeed article. So he told her it was like a
Speaker 4: tornado that got started. He was really happy the first
Speaker 4: time he saw video of Gypsy walking under her own power,
Speaker 4: and he's all over the document, like visiting her with
Speaker 4: his stepmom, and he sort of beats himself up about
Speaker 4: not doing more but kind of not enough. But I
Speaker 4: you know, I think he just thought. He was like,
Speaker 4: I'm a guy in my twenties, I got this girl pregnant,
Speaker 4: the mom doesn't really want me around. I'll send money,
Speaker 4: I'll do what I can, But you know, he didn't
Speaker 4: really know to the extent I think of how bad
Speaker 4: the mom was psychologically and physically torturing the daughter. Gypsy
Speaker 4: told twenty twenty the television show in twenty eighteen, quote,
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm more free in prison than living
Speaker 4: with my mom, because now I'm allowed to just live
Speaker 4: like a normal woman. So the BuzzFeed article came out
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, and then the Hulu series came out,
Speaker 4: I believe like last year or the year before, And
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, Gypsy actually said that she was upset
Speaker 4: about the act. She said she wasn't allowed to see
Speaker 4: the show in prison. Obviously they don't have Hulu in prison.
Speaker 4: But she's like, I feel it is very unfair and
Speaker 4: unprofessional that producers and co producer Michelle Dean has used
Speaker 4: my actual name and story without my consent and the
Speaker 4: life rights to do so.
Speaker 1: So that is pretty fucked up. I wonder if she
Speaker 1: can sue.
Speaker 4: But they also must have known that they couldn't use
Speaker 4: life rights without them being signed away, Like Hulu's not stupid,
Speaker 4: So I don't really get what what happened. They are,
Speaker 4: apparently as a family, pissed at this woman who wrote
Speaker 4: the article, Gypsy's stepmother, Christy, stated that Dean had promised
Speaker 4: them the whole time, we're gonna split.
Speaker 1: This fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4: Whatever we make, we're cutting you guys in. You can
Speaker 4: put it aside for Gypsy when she gets out of jail,
Speaker 4: and like they weren't even expecting that, and then like
Speaker 4: that's what she offered, but then never made good on it.
Speaker 4: And then to wrap up this story, in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: it was announced that Gypsy is engaged to a guy
Speaker 4: that she's been penpallling with. Her fiance first wrote to
Speaker 4: her after watching the HBO documentary Mommy Dead and Dearest,
Speaker 4: and they are engaged. She will not she doesn't reveal
Speaker 4: any details about him, like his name or who he
Speaker 4: is or anything.
Speaker 2: But I wonder what her life's gonna be like, Well,
Speaker 2: people are very obsessed.
Speaker 1: People are very obsessed with this case.
Speaker 4: And I think that, I mean, she'll probably write a book,
Speaker 4: she'll probably be on the talk show circuit, you know, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm sure she's going to get some attention if she
Speaker 4: wants it, and some way to make income. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but it is fucked up that she isn't getting any
Speaker 4: money from the act.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's a prison thing and she will later
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're not allowed to profit from your crimes,
Speaker 4: I guess, which is the thing that happened with the
Speaker 4: Ted Bundy trial.
Speaker 1: But it's not her crime.
Speaker 4: She didn't comit the murder, so I don't know she
Speaker 4: did come conspiracy maybe, I don't know, but she's if
Speaker 4: you're interested, Mommy dead and Darras is on HBO Max
Speaker 4: or HBO Go or now or whatever you have.
Speaker 1: And it's really.
Speaker 4: I was really wrapped by it when I first saw
Speaker 4: it on an airplane because Gypsy is in it. I
Speaker 4: think it's like twenty seventeen footage of her, So she's,
Speaker 4: you know, in her twenties, and she's kind of really lucid,
Speaker 4: just talking about everything that happened and everything your mom
Speaker 4: do her, and she's like kind of laughing a little
Speaker 4: bit about stuff, and it's a little it's wild, and yeah,
Speaker 4: you do wonder what's gonna happen, what her life's gonna
Speaker 4: look like outside.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and I also was thinking that with the
Speaker 2: jail thing, where it's like, yeah, jail's better than having
Speaker 2: someone pump pills medicines hospitals. IV's in, you hit, you
Speaker 2: tie up, and maybe it's the nice in between. She
Speaker 2: might need to then be like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you have some autonomy in jail. She's
Speaker 4: probably learning, yeah, like how to yeah, live, feed yourself.
Speaker 1: Make your own bed, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just wish it was a more straightforward self defense murder.
Speaker 1: So no one had to be in jail.
Speaker 2: But if your own parents are flushing your ashes down
Speaker 2: the toilet, it's bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They don't have a lot of kind words to say
Speaker 4: about her, her dad and her stepmom, and her mom
Speaker 4: doesn't have any.
Speaker 1: Words to say because she may bee. So who knows?
Speaker 1: And how did the town of Springfield, Missouri.
Speaker 2: I want to text our friend and get some scoop
Speaker 2: on and how everyone kind of handled.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.
Speaker 4: Sure, like the rest of the country, they were pretty horrified,
Speaker 4: but probably even more so because they sort of propped
Speaker 4: these people up for years, and you know, their hearts
Speaker 4: were in the right places. They thought she was a
Speaker 4: sick girl, you know, like they probably felt extra doomed.
Speaker 1: But not mad at her, hopefully, just mad at dede.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't think so. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: thought that she.
Speaker 2: She also never went to school, because that's another thing
Speaker 2: we talk about, like the everlasting effects of abuse like this,
Speaker 2: Like she never got to go to school, so who knows, yeah,
Speaker 2: how much she knows.
Speaker 1: Like there was something in my research.
Speaker 4: I don't remember where I got it, but like something
Speaker 4: was like yeah, she was like I couldn't just like
Speaker 4: stand up out of my wheelchair and be like help,
Speaker 4: this is all a hoax, Like my mom is doing
Speaker 4: this because she had already established everyone that she had
Speaker 4: diminished mental capacity, that she was like, for lack of
Speaker 4: a better word, slow, that's the word Gypsy used. She's like,
Speaker 4: everybody thought I was slow, and DiDia told Gypsy, pops,
Speaker 4: think you're mentally incompetence, so don't even try to do
Speaker 4: something like that. So of course she never, you know,
Speaker 4: tried to really make a plea for understanding from anyone,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if she's still pen pals with the
Speaker 2: guy spending life in prison that's the person. But he
Speaker 2: killed her, I mean he killed her. He went and
Speaker 2: stabbed her in the backs. Yeah, and oh my god.
Speaker 4: The documentary Just Heads Up for People has very very
Speaker 4: graphic photographs of the stabbing.
Speaker 1: It's like very very.
Speaker 2: But also with Gypsy, it's like, do you really want
Speaker 2: to be engaged? Don't you want to play the field?
Speaker 1: I don't know. A girl, the Little Mermaid doesn't really
Speaker 1: play the field.
Speaker 4: She literally meets the first fucking guy that she the
Speaker 4: first man she sees, like a human man she sees.
Speaker 4: She's like, that's the guy I'm gonna fuck. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: give up my voice and get and my whole family
Speaker 4: and get that guy.
Speaker 2: Good. All right, Well, we have an incredible guest, Kara, amazing,
Speaker 2: amazing job, and.
Speaker 1: Let's get this party started. Let's do it.
Speaker 4: Okay, guys, our guest today is a talented actress of
Speaker 4: the stage and screen. You've seen her in the Perks
Speaker 4: of Being a Wallflower the nick. Currently, she is performing
Speaker 4: in Aaron Sorkin's adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird on Broadway,
Speaker 4: but you guys knew her this week as maryel McLaughlin. Guys,
Speaker 4: check out our chat with Aaron Willhelmy.
Speaker 2: An incredible performance, such a good episode.
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be talking to you.
Speaker 5: You know, it was exactly four years ago this week
Speaker 5: that we shot it.
Speaker 4: Wow, oh wow, fall in New York. That was beautiful
Speaker 4: are you in New York right now? I am yes,
Speaker 4: so because are you currently on Broadway doing to Kill
Speaker 4: a Mockingbird?
Speaker 1: I am so exciting?
Speaker 5: Wow, fun, nice to be back.
Speaker 2: You know, did you start the run before the pandemic
Speaker 2: and pick it back up or is this a new production?
Speaker 5: Actually? Yeah, I started it when it opened in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 5: did it for a year, and then I had left,
Speaker 5: and then Ed Harris took over with a group, and
Speaker 5: then the pandemic hit and so now a handful of
Speaker 5: the original cast have come back and we're all doing
Speaker 5: it at least for a couple of months. So it's
Speaker 5: been really fun to be back there.
Speaker 1: That's so great.
Speaker 4: But let's get into your SVU. How did this part
Speaker 4: like come about?
Speaker 1: Like did you audition? Like did you did you know
Speaker 1: the show before.
Speaker 4: You were on it?
Speaker 1: Tell us everything.
Speaker 5: I had auditioned for the show several times and hadn't
Speaker 5: ever booked anything on it, and so this part came
Speaker 5: in and I think the the email said the audition
Speaker 5: description said like wear no makeup and look as sick
Speaker 5: as possible, and I was like, I might.
Speaker 1: Be able to get this.
Speaker 5: I can just walk in there like a miss. And
Speaker 5: then any Oh, yeah, it was like and look really young.
Speaker 5: I think they wanted some realized it was just nice
Speaker 5: to not have to prepare it all. I didn't have
Speaker 5: to put anything on my face and then walk in and.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And so I finally got to be a part of
Speaker 5: the show, which I was so excited about. And of
Speaker 5: course this particular character too. It was fun to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got the two big New York acting stamps
Speaker 2: of approval. You have SVU and Broadway, so that's all
Speaker 2: that matters.
Speaker 5: Someone said, you're not like an official New Yorker until
Speaker 5: you've been on SCU. So I was like, I gotta
Speaker 5: get that show.
Speaker 2: And then while you were on set, what did hair
Speaker 2: and makeup do to make you look as sick as
Speaker 2: you did?
Speaker 5: Look? Oh my gosh, it was a lot of bagging
Speaker 5: bags under my eyes. I looked terrible. I think they
Speaker 5: would take the color out of my lips.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your lips are like totally like it's not even
Speaker 4: just a nude lip, it's like a full there's no color.
Speaker 5: Right, It was pretty gross in a great job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are always complimenting here and makeup and wardrobe
Speaker 4: on that show.
Speaker 1: We love it.
Speaker 4: How was that seizure scene that you did that was
Speaker 4: like really intense.
Speaker 1: You had so many intense scenes.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have a flip out of the stand,
Speaker 2: you have your mom trying to rip an IV out
Speaker 2: of your arm, and you are seizing in the precinct.
Speaker 1: It's like what a role.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that the seizure scene. I think the camera
Speaker 5: was like on a crane and it was like kind
Speaker 5: of zooming in towards me. So I was so worried
Speaker 5: that I was gonna like seize and hit it. You know.
Speaker 5: It was fun though. I just had a blast. I
Speaker 5: think Mursco was so kind to me. That was the
Speaker 5: first day I met her was during the seizure scene,
Speaker 5: and she was very complimentary and everything. And then maybe
Speaker 5: ten minutes after meeting me, she came over and was like,
Speaker 5: I thought you were, like, you know, a kid, Like
Speaker 5: she found that we found out my real age. And
Speaker 5: then she came back and I was like, so, you know,
Speaker 5: does the compliments is that contingent on me being a
Speaker 5: child like or does it still count? Like yeah, but
Speaker 5: she was just so nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Imagine she was like, I was only being nice to
Speaker 4: you because you were I thought you were a kid, right,
Speaker 4: I thought.
Speaker 5: You were a teenager, so all those things I said
Speaker 5: take got away. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you practice like seizing in the hotel or at
Speaker 2: your house like or did you.
Speaker 1: Just come to set fresh seizure?
Speaker 5: I watched some videos of seizures, but I don't think
Speaker 5: I really practiced. I think I just sort of let
Speaker 5: it happen. But I do remember watching videos, and then
Speaker 5: I think JOHNO, the director specifically, either he either sent
Speaker 5: a video or he told me about the way he
Speaker 5: wanted it to look.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of like doing research before your role, did
Speaker 4: you know the story of d D and Gypsy Rose
Speaker 4: like Blanchard before you saw that?
Speaker 1: Knew this episode? Or do you know the story now?
Speaker 5: Or like I didn't know the story? I don't think.
Speaker 5: But then they told us to watch Mommy, Dad and Dearest.
Speaker 1: Did so you watch that doc before you shot?
Speaker 5: Yes, actually watched it before I even auditioned. They sent
Speaker 5: a link to watch it before the audition.
Speaker 1: So wow, so there's no way we were wrong about
Speaker 1: this one. Okay they sent the link.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they said the link. It's based on her.
Speaker 1: Did you draw your character from the documentary?
Speaker 5: I mean yes and no, because they you know the
Speaker 5: what I love is that they don't well first of all,
Speaker 5: that you know, the boyfriend doesn't do the killing, which
Speaker 5: is what happens in real life. So and then also
Speaker 5: I love that they gave her a different sentence Gypsy
Speaker 5: Rose is I believe still behind bars. Yeah, and my
Speaker 5: character just got I think community service.
Speaker 1: And yeah, three years of probation. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it's sort of neat that they commented on that
Speaker 5: as well, like, yeah, maybe that's an unfair sentence considering
Speaker 5: which she actually did.
Speaker 1: We're on her side, I know, I am too.
Speaker 5: I feel so bad for her. And then I was
Speaker 5: watching like I think a doctor Phil interview with her
Speaker 5: in it afterwards, just yeah, my heart breaks for her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, like she'll be out in a
Speaker 4: few years and she'll still be relatively young, so hopefully,
Speaker 4: you know, it's not like a full like hopefully she'll
Speaker 4: have a chance.
Speaker 1: To live like a normal person for a little while.
Speaker 5: You had.
Speaker 4: This was one of those episodes where like it's really
Speaker 4: Rollins heavy, Like Rollins takes a real interest in you.
Speaker 4: How did you like working with Kelly Giddish?
Speaker 5: I love her and I actually went to the same
Speaker 5: undergraduate program as she did. Oh cool, So I was
Speaker 5: really excited to get to finally meet her because I've
Speaker 5: heard about her, Like when I was at school, I
Speaker 5: knew about her. She was had moved on to such
Speaker 5: success and so we could you know, bond over the
Speaker 5: fact that we had the same professors and everything that university. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was fun and she's just Yeah, she was really
Speaker 5: supportive during that whole that whole process, and her dog
Speaker 5: is always there, which is really nice too.
Speaker 2: That was my follow up question actually was did you
Speaker 2: meet the dogs?
Speaker 1: I knew Lisa was gonna ask that the good dogs? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then are another cast member.
Speaker 4: Our listeners love Barba and you got to sort of
Speaker 4: have a little sparring thing. We have a very horny
Speaker 4: listenership for Barbara. And I think you sing also, and
Speaker 4: he sings, did you guys do any you know? We
Speaker 4: had another guest that told us they were sort of
Speaker 4: doing a little La Miz singing off camera like when
Speaker 4: the in between takes.
Speaker 5: I wish I would have loved to have some time
Speaker 5: singing with him, but you know, he was amazing, especially
Speaker 5: during that scene where he's questioning her and and I
Speaker 5: think I started to talk. I start to talk about
Speaker 5: little little mermaid and Ariel and and I'm I'm not
Speaker 5: a mermaid, And at one point I was like, I
Speaker 5: am I am Ariel or something. He goes and your
Speaker 5: mother's a big fat octopus. I completely broke and like
Speaker 5: and of course so did everybody in the room. It
Speaker 5: was so funny. It was nice that he did that
Speaker 5: and made the moment a little lighter.
Speaker 2: Well, and I mentioned this scene before, but obviously the
Speaker 2: ripping of the IV was pretty wild. Did you guys
Speaker 2: practice that a lot or was it just a free
Speaker 2: for all to your arm or.
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing that we practiced was we
Speaker 5: weren't sure how to say the last couple of lines.
Speaker 5: We didn't know how to deliver those. It's the lines
Speaker 5: are All I ever wanted was to be normal, and
Speaker 5: now I never will. And I think maybe we did
Speaker 5: a couple of takes where she yells it at her
Speaker 5: mother as her mom's being pulled away, and then I
Speaker 5: think the tick they used was actually more internal, which
Speaker 5: I really liked. That was also Johnah's idea, because it's
Speaker 5: the next scene that she kills her mother, so it's like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I'm never going to be normal because
Speaker 5: this woman will do anything to keep me sick.
Speaker 2: And then your next project we saw is Gilded Age
Speaker 2: on HBO.
Speaker 1: But you want to like fill us in on that.
Speaker 1: We're excited.
Speaker 5: Sure, it's Jillian Fellows. It's cool. If you know Downton Abbey,
Speaker 5: it's sort of down to nabby vibe, but forty years
Speaker 5: earlier and in New York City, so it's like eighteen
Speaker 5: eighty two old money versus new money during the Gilded Age.
Speaker 5: I'm in the downstairs of the house, Okay, I'm among
Speaker 5: the servants of the household. And it was so much
Speaker 5: fun to shoot.
Speaker 1: Where did you guys shoot that?
Speaker 5: Newport? Rhode Island? Oh beautiful, but Newport has those big mansions.
Speaker 1: Yes, the breakers.
Speaker 2: Oh Swift comes to mind when I think of, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island.
Speaker 4: I've been very drunk a lot in Newport. But that's
Speaker 4: really really fun. I can't wait. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 4: huge down to Abbey fan, so I'm really I'm really excited.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and you were were you one of the
Speaker 4: I saw that you were in a Doll's House part too.
Speaker 4: I think I saw it like the year after you
Speaker 4: were in it. I saw LORI metcalf and It was
Speaker 4: like one of my favorite things I ever saw. I
Speaker 4: loved it so much, And that's so cool that you
Speaker 4: were in it.
Speaker 5: That was one of my favorite experiences in the theater
Speaker 5: to this day. Like it was. That was an incredible
Speaker 5: show to be a part of.
Speaker 1: It was such a cool show.
Speaker 4: And then with this To Kill a mocking Bird, did
Speaker 4: you get to work with Aaron Sorkin like directly at all?
Speaker 3: Or Yeah?
Speaker 5: He was actually there. I mean we've workshopped the play
Speaker 5: for almost a year before we opened the previews, so
Speaker 5: he was there during all the workshops and he would
Speaker 5: come in with rewrites, we could ask questions. He really
Speaker 5: the particular testimony that I have. He worked on that
Speaker 5: scene so much and it changed dramatically from like the
Speaker 5: first time I read it to what we ended up
Speaker 5: doing on stage, and it was so fun to be
Speaker 5: a part of that and to watch his process. He
Speaker 5: is just a genius as you know.
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah talks, Yeah, the King of walking talks. How
Speaker 4: does it feel being back on stage these last few
Speaker 4: weeks like post pandemic? Is it like the same as ever?
Speaker 4: Is it like a different vibe? How does it feel?
Speaker 5: It? Strangely feels like we never left it, but in
Speaker 5: a good way. I mean, the audiences have been so
Speaker 5: warm and giving. I feel like they're ready to laugh,
Speaker 5: they're ready to cry. They're right there with you. Probably
Speaker 5: because we haven't we haven't seen anything in almost two years.
Speaker 5: A lot of people are like, this is my first
Speaker 5: show back, this is my first Yeah, okay, and so
Speaker 5: there's definitely a special energy happening. But I was worried
Speaker 5: that looking out to the audience and seeing masks people
Speaker 5: would be really strange, but it actually it's okay. Everybody's
Speaker 5: giving in other ways, Like we can't see their smiles,
Speaker 5: we can't see their emotion on their face, but we
Speaker 5: can feel it and we can hear it.
Speaker 4: I guess I didn't realize because we're comedians, and a
Speaker 4: lot of clubs because there's food and drinking, will you
Speaker 4: will let people take their masks off. But like for theater,
Speaker 4: they're probably making everybody wear masks, right they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think they do sell some drinks, so you
Speaker 5: can take it down to take a sip, but your
Speaker 5: they put it right back up and they're pretty strict
Speaker 5: about it. And I think if you don't, they get
Speaker 5: you out. So it's very right now.
Speaker 2: No, the theater ushers are very strict. They're really on
Speaker 2: top of their shit.
Speaker 5: They're like, we're not losing our jobs again.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: They're like, we've been waiting to reprimand people for eighteen months.
Speaker 1: We are back at training. But I feel like I
Speaker 1: interrupted you. What were you going to say?
Speaker 5: Oh, I was just gonna tell you that the woman
Speaker 5: who does my wig every night and to Kill Mockingbird
Speaker 5: is huge fan of yours and told me all about
Speaker 5: how she listens to your podcast all the time, and
Speaker 5: she's Luke's really excited that I'm going to be a
Speaker 5: part of it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what's her name? Yeah, shout her out.
Speaker 5: Christine Hutchinson.
Speaker 4: Christine Hutchinson, thank you for listening. We love a good wig.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: We do love a good wig. We do.
Speaker 4: Any last minute like little tidbits from SVU that you remember,
Speaker 4: or like any little stories that you wanted to tell
Speaker 4: before we let you go, Well.
Speaker 5: I can just say that every time I go home
Speaker 5: now my mom makes a joke about hiding the hammers.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 5: I mean hear any tools.
Speaker 1: Wow, that was great. Thank you, Aaron, We love you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go see her I mean, she's gonna be, I think,
Speaker 4: a next hot thing, and I'm excited for the Gilded Age.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch that. You know.
Speaker 4: I'm a downt n Abbey girl, like I loved down
Speaker 4: to Nabby So I think my and when I showed
Speaker 4: my husband, he was like, I'm in like, we're doing
Speaker 4: Gilded Age.
Speaker 2: Wow, you're gonna you're gonna veer off your CBS thing.
Speaker 1: Oh what you mean, evil? It's on a break.
Speaker 2: It's on a break well because I remember taking maybe
Speaker 2: was it advertising in college. I don't know, but you
Speaker 2: learn that like the different markets and CBS markets towards
Speaker 2: rich people over forty, and you are now the perfect
Speaker 2: CBS person.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: CBS, though, is like old people in the middle of
Speaker 4: the country.
Speaker 2: That's why they have like Mom and Big Bang and
Speaker 2: all that. No, like the Good Wife, all of those
Speaker 2: those are hot. Those are people that have money.
Speaker 1: Those are people I spend money, good liquor evil. These
Speaker 1: are for people who have Oh okay, it's oh.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize I was trying to buy you Bosh
Speaker 2: merchandise for Christmas. You don't have to do that. There's
Speaker 2: not good stuff. That's why I'm telling you and revealing it.
Speaker 2: I was on I was searching for Bosh.
Speaker 1: For Oh my God.
Speaker 4: To do though, is like the house Bosh lives in
Speaker 4: in the show Bosh is so fucking amazing. It overlooks
Speaker 4: the entire city of la because the premise is that
Speaker 4: he sold his life rights to a movie company or something,
Speaker 4: and that's how he can afford as a cop this
Speaker 4: fucking ridiculous glass house up on a on a cliff.
Speaker 4: I would love to go to see it one day,
Speaker 4: but we'll see it if that's possible.
Speaker 1: Anyway, maybe we can rent it or something.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Speaking of owning, I don't know if people know this,
Speaker 2: but like the WWE owns John Cena's name, they own him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so like they own your character and your likeness and everything.
Speaker 2: So if you don't change it or he used his
Speaker 2: real name or whatnot, so they own it. Like they
Speaker 2: make money off of him, and he's fine with it.
Speaker 2: He's like, I wouldn't have anything without them, so I
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 4: But like Daniel does, he have to ask them every
Speaker 4: time he's in a movie or something.
Speaker 2: I think he's at a point where they're just happy
Speaker 2: making money for him, Like they're fine with anything he does.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but like cause there's a guy.
Speaker 2: Daniel Bryant was his name in the WWE, and now
Speaker 2: in the new League he's Brian Danielson. Oh and that's
Speaker 2: actually his real name. But like, because you can't like
Speaker 2: if they own you, they own you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Interesting, right, Okay, Well let's own our post mortem and
Speaker 4: get into our are a little bit of you know.
Speaker 1: What did I learn reviewing? They're sick? The world is sick.
Speaker 1: People are sick. Everybody's sick.
Speaker 4: I guess it's just like, yeah, like just because someone's
Speaker 4: a mom doesn't mean they're trustworthy. You know, I will
Speaker 4: steal your wallet if you leave it on the table,
Speaker 4: you know, like I am a bad Perton.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: But well, because what do we learn? What do we
Speaker 2: every time you see a sick kid? Investigate the mother? No,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like what do you do?
Speaker 4: But I would hope that doctors would be like a
Speaker 4: little bit after hearing about some of these more like
Speaker 4: high profile Munchausen's cases, that doctors that would have a
Speaker 4: little bit more of like a just a hunch or
Speaker 4: like an instinct that this lady's not a reliable narrator,
Speaker 4: This lady's not telling us the truth. You know, she's
Speaker 4: leaving out some large chunks, you know. Yeah, it's just disappointing.
Speaker 4: Don't rip an ivy out of your daughter's arm. That's
Speaker 4: not that'll be frowned upon.
Speaker 2: Try to live a life so your parents don't flush
Speaker 2: your ashes down the toilet.
Speaker 1: That's another.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Also trying to recognize the manipulative patterns
Speaker 4: of your parents and to see if you're if you've
Speaker 4: learned those is important. You know. That's a good one,
Speaker 4: you know, And I really, I mean, I really hope.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what Gypsy Rose does with her
Speaker 4: life in the next two or three years when she's out.
Speaker 2: What if she does like club dates and nightclubs pay
Speaker 2: her to go to their nightclubs. She becomes like the
Speaker 2: like Snookie, like Polly d because I.
Speaker 1: Would want to see her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we'll throw a party and we'll pay for
Speaker 2: her to you know, sit on a throne or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gypsy comes and we just get to like watch
Speaker 4: her live her best life.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do feel bad for the guy, but
Speaker 2: he was probably a fool too. I also don't think
Speaker 2: she should be engaged. I said this in the episode,
Speaker 2: obviously like play the field, live your life, make some money,
Speaker 2: do a speaking tour, come clubbing with us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. You know, engagements are
Speaker 4: easily made and broken.
Speaker 1: We'll see if she goes through with that.
Speaker 4: I do think there's a lot more people with Munchausen's
Speaker 4: than we think too, not just by proxy, but people
Speaker 4: who are like.
Speaker 1: I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick.
Speaker 4: And it's like okay, but like you know, sometimes I
Speaker 4: think it can be mental.
Speaker 2: But there's also a difference obviously with like hypochondriac and
Speaker 2: Munchausens right, because I think it's not just thinking you're
Speaker 2: sick and complaining.
Speaker 1: I think it's making yourself sick.
Speaker 2: Because hypochondriacs are also talking like, oh, this might be happy,
Speaker 2: this is happening, This is happening, but they're not harming themselves.
Speaker 1: They're just annoying. I'm a hyper.
Speaker 4: Contract might necessarily not care about the attention that they're
Speaker 4: getting either. Where that's that's front and center for someone
Speaker 4: with munchaus since, I think is that they want the attention,
Speaker 4: so they're like oh, now I have this diagnosis. Now
Speaker 4: I have this diagnosis. It's always something new and things
Speaker 4: are popping up.
Speaker 2: And because Julia, our friend, she called me out once
Speaker 2: and she was like, okay, well you are a hypochondriac
Speaker 2: when you're stressed out.
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, shots fired. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you have munchausenes. No, I don't have money.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything wrong with me.
Speaker 2: But I am finally making doctor's appointments with the help
Speaker 2: of Kara. Now that I'm in Cedar SINAI you knew
Speaker 2: that would get me to go to the doctor. I'm
Speaker 2: making appointments left and right. It feels so fancy of
Speaker 2: all the sweet all the celeb babies born at Cedars.
Speaker 1: What an honor to be a part of it.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: I mean when I was in my tiny rooms giving
Speaker 4: birth to my kids, I was I was like, Beyonce
Speaker 4: definitely had something better than this, but it was I
Speaker 4: could feel her spirit nearby.
Speaker 1: You know, I wish you watched Selling Sunset.
Speaker 4: I know. Well, that's what we've learned this week, is
Speaker 4: I wish I watched Selling Sunset.
Speaker 1: A huge lesson.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's get into our segment. What would Sister Peg Do?
Speaker 4: This is where every week we direct you guys towards
Speaker 4: a resource, an organization where you can donate or just
Speaker 4: find out more information about something we've touched on in
Speaker 4: today's episode. And I just wanted to point you guys
Speaker 4: towards the HBO documentary Mommy Dead and Dearest. I think
Speaker 4: it's kind of the the act is dramatized, but this
Speaker 4: doc is like the definitive sort of story of Gypsy
Speaker 4: Rose and Dedie Blanchard, and I think it's I think
Speaker 4: it's important to check out. So that's it dot Com
Speaker 4: in their documentary section, and we'll put the link in
Speaker 4: our what would mister Peg do highlight on Instagram stories.
Speaker 4: If you're ever looking for any of our past organizations,
Speaker 4: that's where we have them all listed there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, thank you for that. I haven't even seen it.
Speaker 2: I should watch it. I should definitely watch that dog.
Speaker 4: I think it's honestly still on Delta possibly check out.
Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know if I need to do it
Speaker 1: on the flight. That's where I watched it.
Speaker 2: If Clueless is available, I'm watching Clueless. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Mommy Dead and Dearest is gonna push its way through.
Speaker 1: That's where I watched it.
Speaker 2: But next week make sure you watch along or don't.
Speaker 2: We don't care, but it's presumed guilty. Season fourteen, Episode ten, Peacock, Hulu, Library,
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Speaker 2: go to a friend's house yesterday, I made you know
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Speaker 1: So don't always ask for help.
Speaker 4: And we'll see you guys next week for a very
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Speaker 4: and everyone at Exactly Right Media.
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