WEBVTT - Pathological w/ Erin Wilhelmi 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:27.200 These are our stories done done. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.520 Hello, Hello, Hello, this is Liza Traeger. And this that's 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.440 messed up. I did it in the wrong order. But hello, 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.240 and that's Kara. Wait, this is how we're going to 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.720 open it. Hey, Okay, we don't have to be perfect. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:43.839 We don't have to be perfect. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:44.720 I think it's funny. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.159 I think it was funny. You laughed, I like a 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.400 real laugh. Yes, you guys know what this is. It's 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.000 a Law and Order resview podcast. We talk about an 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.200 episode on the show. We talk about the true crime 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.360 it's based on. We interview a fabulous guest that was 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.279 involved in the episode, and we chat and catch up. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.160 Yeah. Hello. Last week was our one year anniversary. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.760 Thank you guys so much for all of your beautiful 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.480 comments and words about wishing us a happy anniversary. And 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.640 a lot of you are our day one listeners. But 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.360 even if you're not, we love you all. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.959 And to be honest, I don't think I've ever bought 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.320 expensive champagne before. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.880 Oh yeah, Lisa bought some champagne. Last night we went 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.640 live to celebrate the one year. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.000 But I also brought McDonald's and Kara's husband Jared did 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.200 say that it's something he really respects about me, that 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:34.080 I that I like your McDonald's game is said, lack 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:39.280 of shame of McDonald He's like your support of McDonald's, 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.240 like I'm the ironic support of McDonald's is one of 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.959 my favorite parts about you. So, yeah, like our child 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.400 owns many Happy Meals toys because Lisa gives them. Yeah, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.000 you can buy Happy Meal toys just you don't need 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:53.800 to have the whole meal. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.040 But obviously it's also like. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.560 If you want something delicious and greasy but you don't 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.600 want to eat too much, a Happy Meal is the 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.680 perfect kind of vibe. But you could just buy the toys. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.800 So if you know someone you know loves the thing, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.000 they're cheap and easy. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:09.440 It's fun. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.560 I gotta say, like, if I was gonna go back 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:17.120 to meat, McDonald's cheeseburgers might be my first thing that 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.000 might actually cause my intestines to explode, like just after 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.640 fourteen years to shock them with that. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.600 But I loved McDonald's cheeseburger so much. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.160 Really no, because I was telling you I was craving 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.040 like my high school cafetes hei at cheeseburger, Like that's 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:30.799 what I badly want. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.280 What McDonald's was fulfilling. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.800 It's like the most consistently not real or something like 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.000 I just want that, like cheese melt and all, like 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.919 the fake cheese melts I don't know, or like cheeseburgers 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.120 at the pool, you know, like the pool concession. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.040 I didn't eat that much food in my high school cafeteria, 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.200 but the bagels were some of the best bagels I've 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.320 ever had in my life. Same like fluffy, delicious hot 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.520 bagels that they would make in the high school cafeteria. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.200 I would, you know, we would just rip pieces of 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.399 it off and like dip it into a little thing 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.960 of Philadelphia cream cheese and swear. I have not eaten 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.239 a bagel in that manner in a really long time 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.239 or and I feel like very few bagels have ever 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.359 matched up, and I'm talking about living in New York, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.840 have matched up to my high school cafeteria bagels. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.679 I'm with you, and I wonder if it was like 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.440 a company that was outsourcing all these high schools, like 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.640 the fact that you in Connecticut. Me and skochye years apart, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.799 both remember our high school bagels very yes. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:27.720 Yeah. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.200 And also some New Canaan listeners. So a lot of 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:31.880 people have tried to figure out where my hometown is. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.760 I'm not being secret of It's New Canaan, Connecticut. And 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.800 if you went to New Canaan High School, please let 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.240 me know because you're probably younger than me if they're 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.760 still rocking those delicious bagels, because some of you have 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.040 contacted me that you're from my town. And it's also 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.839 where Christopher Maloney lived for one year, and I feel 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.120 like people thought that I was hiding that from the podcast. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.680 But he lived in a massive, massive mansion right down 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.120 the street from my parents with one wife and one child. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.680 It's the biggest house, one of the biggest houses I've 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.280 ever and then he left after like a year. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.760 He's got to do lunches, you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.320 Hallway the base for lunches. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:09.440 I just want to also give a shout out to 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.040 my high school. They had great cookies. I would get 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.880 like the eminem cookies and they were so gooey. I mean, 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.599 should we can you just go to the high school cafeteria, Like, 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.920 can I come do a visit and be like, hey, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:22.800 I used to come here. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.839 I just want to like scoop my. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.960 God, like I'm gonna be I'm gonna be near my 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.279 hometown for Christmas break, Like could I just go in 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:31.599 and be like one bagel? 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.520 Please? We're verified on Twitter. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.960 Maybe we could call the principal and be like, listen, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:38.679 we would love while. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.839 I'm here, why are you not doing an outstanding alumni 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:41.599 profile on me? 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.000 Like, let's do it. Come on, I know. 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.719 All I work hard for is for my dad to 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.560 compliment me, and my high school theater teacher to acknowledge me. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:54.120 And what's your high school theater teachers name? Should we 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:55.800 shout that to see if somebody can get get in 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:56.400 touch with them. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.239 Timothy Ortman one of the best. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.000 I mean he went to or of the Year while 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.160 I was there, but we like that his program won 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.840 the Kennedy Center Honors for best Like he brought a production. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.840 Of Hamlet to the fringe with a lot of my. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.279 Peers, like he really there was gay kissing in plays. 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.680 We did a kabuki Iago's plot. We did ekwis a 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:18.760 boy in underwear on a horse. I mean, we really 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:19.400 went there. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.719 I cannot believe that. Yeah, and we did you know, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:23.520 stage craft. 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.560 We had a costume shop, like I really I felt 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.239 very lucky to have mister Ortman in my life. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.920 But can he just please send me an email? Like 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.520 my school did like into the Woods, but I don't 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.600 think I ever even I wasn't in it. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.919 We did like six or seven shows a year. Yeah 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.920 that's wild, it's nuts. Yeah wow, because our sports weren't good, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.560 but our theater department was winning the awards. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.120 See, our sports were good, so I don't think any 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:55.280 theater wasn't as hot. But we did have a turf 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.440 lacrosse field, very important term turf lacross. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.400 We had a oh that was college. Do we have 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:07.200 glass blowing though? That was college? Okay, in high school jesus. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.359 But I did take sports marketing in high school, which 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:11.840 seems not. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.760 It's like a very advanced class. Yeah. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.600 Yeah, I don't know why I was in it, but 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.679 happy to be there, happy to be in sports market 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.120 Why did I major in sports in music management for 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:26.839 one semester? 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.800 I'm tone deaf? Oh my, yeah, but still, what you 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.719 were you going to manage a musical artist? Were you 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.480 gonna be like, Yeah, I went to Columbia College, Carnibe. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.120 I gotta sign with me, Lisa Treeger, I've got all 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:43.200 the connects. You're gonna go platinum, baby, That's what I 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.040 thought it was gonna do for one semester. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:46.880 I like, how I'm doing an invitation of you in 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.760 high school or in college with a cigar in your 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.240 mouth as a music executive. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.000 Wait, so we also are two bad Jews that barely 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.720 acknowledged Hankah, but happy belated Hankah to all of our 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.800 chosen listeners. Lisa uh forced me to get a menora, 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.760 which was the best thing she could have done. I 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.560 felt stupid that I didn't have one, and I was like, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.320 my kids are too young. Maybe next year, when she 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.960 understands a little bit more, I'll explain, you know, the 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.080 plight of the maccabees. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.440 But like, we just. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.640 Lit the menora a couple nights and I gave her 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.360 a present and she loved it, and she keeps being 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.320 like my Hanica President and she went to school and 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.440 she's like, there are nine candles in the menora. Like 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.640 she's very enthralled with the holidays. So I'm happy we 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:26.880 did it. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.080 Wait, you said that Rosie got into the car and 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.920 said I'm disappointed or what did she say? 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.280 Yesterday in the car we were leaving one of her 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.880 friend's houses and she said, can I go back to 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.000 her house? I was like, no, it's six thirty at night, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.080 we need to go home. And she goes, that's so disappointing. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.239 She's gonna be a nightmare. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.200 I mean like she's just already like so emotional and 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.040 like has so many words to say what she wants. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:55.360 Yeah, but it's good she has words. 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.800 It's better than apying child with emotions that they can't check. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.400 No, she's very, very communicative. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.920 Oh and did I tell you on this podcast yet 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.800 that she had a good parent teacher conference too? 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.040 Not on the pod, just personally let the listeners know 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.080 because we were worried. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:11.840 I was really happy because listen, I don't know how 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.760 many parents there are. But I did get a pre 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.280 parent teacher conference call, which I don't think you want 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.120 to get. Like, I got like a one that was like, 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.840 just don't want anyone to be surprised at parent teacher conferences. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.560 Wanted to give you some feedback about Rosie. And I 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.320 was like okay, and you know, they were just telling 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.760 me like chatty listening problems. Obviously a lot of good 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.080 positives about her, but like she has a problem listening, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.199 likes to play with her friends instead of doing her jobs. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.120 It's Montissori, they do jobs. And I was like, lady, 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.839 you're literally describing me from birth to now, so I 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.199 don't know what to tell you, Like, of course she's 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:46.280 gonna have listening problems. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:47.080 She's two and a half. 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:51.760 So then at the parent teacher conference, Raves raves, it 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.840 was great. It was like they got it out the 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.360 month earlier and then they they were raving about her 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:57.559 at the at the regular. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.120 Oh my god, well I havena but we watched but 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.679 Elementary last week. A friend Janelle James is in it 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.400 and it so today Janelle posted like a bad review 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.360 and it was someone on Twitter going, how dare you 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.800 make Principles look bad to Prince. You're saying that principal 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.760 steal money. This is discussed, ABC needs to do better, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.480 and it's like it's just one principal, she's just playing 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.360 any like he took it personally. He's like, shame on 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.040 you for treating Principles this poorly. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.240 I mean, nobody wants to watch a documentary about the 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:30.800 day to day of an elementary school. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:31.679 Sir, I'm sorry. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.480 It's it's a comedy show about an elementary school, and 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.440 I think the idea of an elementary school principal being 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.560 like vapid and super self absorbed is very funny. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.439 Like she's a very funny character. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.840 Yeah, it's it's because I watched the movie The Assistant 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:53.320 on a plane and it is a slow stained paint. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:54.440 I don't know the saying, but. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.320 Wait with Julia Garner from Ozark. Yeah, we've talked about 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:58.520 on the pod before you. I know you want to 0:09:58.520 --> 0:09:59.720 watch it. It's on Delta flights. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:00.160 Maybe. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.280 I started watching it on my Delta flight and then 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.440 the sound cut out and then the whole movie paused, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.360 and I was like, what, Delta has been fucking me 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.640 with the multimedia over and over again every flight. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:12.480 No, And I feel bad. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.679 We got our friend hooked on Delta and now her 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.280 parents have to take two flights in from Chicago because 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.040 she's too far in with the points. And I'm like, well, yeah, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.360 she went from zero to hero. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.560 I mean she had like no status and now she's 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.080 like quadruple platinum or whatever they call No. 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.080 One of my good aspects of my personality is I 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.400 am pretty like happy and chill for people. But I 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.480 was living when she told me she got diamond. I go, 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.480 are you fucking kidding me? Surpassed me in less than 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.400 a year. I've been trying to get these miles forever. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.240 But anyways, I had a great honkkah. There were two 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.880 dogs at the party, one named Potato, one named Mabel. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.560 Can you ask for anything more? Oh my god, Mabel. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.680 Mabel was the dog of our friend naomiic Peagan. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:58.440 Podcast hosts actor, writer extraordin comedian extraordinary on that dog 0:10:58.520 --> 0:10:59.600 is really freaking cute. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.679 And Hato is a fourteen and a half year old 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:06.920 Chihuahua and so he's on CBD. He's you know, elderly, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.760 but it is well. Also, listeners, I want to thank 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.680 the wife of Josh's friend. I mentioned Taco Bell and 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.000 I am getting sent Taco Bell money. So all of 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.079 you listeners are incredible. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.280 I think it's like, if you have any connection to 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.640 Taco Bell and you talk to Lisa Trigger about Taco 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.679 Bell for two minutes, there's a passion there that you 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.520 can't ignore. And so who else are you giving Taco 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.440 Bell money too, to be honest. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.679 But and that the gossip where one woman heard it 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.080 and was like, wait, I know this person, and like 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.679 you know that's we all have to remember. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.080 Just one little act of kindness will help us. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.680 Because I'll take carea to Taco Bell because we got 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:47.760 to try the refried breath. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.200 Oh yes, we talked about this ad nauseum on our 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.520 live last night. But I do have a lot of 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:57.280 you have sent me amazing suggestions for my vegetarian like 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.360 a cheesy Gordida crunch with refri beans, all different kinds 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.080 of things you can. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.040 Do that are meatless, and I appreciate it. Yeah, we'll 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.360 do a stoned feast when you're back. But I wanted 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:08.959 to say I am at my friend's house. I was 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.240 the last person on everyone left. I had nowhere to be, 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.240 so I stayed for a while. But they seemed to 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:18.600 be okay with it. But I was given ice cream. 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.080 But it was just one little circle scoop and it's 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.320 like I learned about portion control at thirty four years old, 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.160 Like I would never just do one scoop of ice 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.319 cream and a little cute little glass cup with a 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.680 but it was so delicious. There was a gingerbread flavor 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.960 of ice cream and it was just enough, and I 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:38.600 was like, I need to remember this. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:39.480 You know what I like for that? 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.160 Actually, if you're ever at Trader Joe's, those little hold 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.280 the cones, Yeah, those are the best. It's like, that's 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.600 all the ice cream you need. You think you want more, 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:49.640 but just that little cone. 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:51.760 I've never just done one little bit of ice cream 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.720 and I'm like, oh, but this is delicious, Like I don't. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.480 I've never done like less than half a pint, you know, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.400 like I'm doing two big scoops. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.360 Yeah, it was like a cool huh on a miracle. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:05.240 That one tiny scoop lasted eight hours? 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.520 And I watched Organized Crime while I ate it. And 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.960 but I've been I've been on a tear. I've probably 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.840 went through like nine seasons in the past week. I 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.960 just I've been fully SVU twenty four to seven. I 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.960 fall asleep to it, I wake up it's a few 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.920 episodes ahead, and I'm just on it. So I've been 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.640 watching Young Maloney NonStop, and then it was jarring to 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.160 see an old Maloney. Yeah, but how did he get 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.640 so beefy so much later in life? Like why wasn't 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:33.880 he this beefy the whole time? 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.880 I think that, like maybe the whole time that he 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.840 since he left SVU, he's just been beefing. 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.120 I don't really know. He was not as large as 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:42.760 he is now. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.920 Like, first of all, the pilot was on this morning 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.640 on USA, and I was watching the pilot season one 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.440 episode one Young Boy, just a young young boyson is 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.679 like barfing from a case in this episode, she's like 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.560 on the side and then literally Stabler says to her, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:58.840 there's no crying in baseball. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, has he cried? Anyways? 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.680 Also, I posted about this, but Hannah Dickinson is a comedian, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.040 great person in New York, and she did Ryan Sickler's 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.520 podcast The Honeydew, and the point of the podcast it's 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.600 like the honeydew is the worst part of a fruit bowl. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.600 So people come on and kind of talk about the 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.360 worst parts of their life. And she talks about being 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.560 assaulted by a fake uber driver and being kidnapped woke 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.080 up in his home and it's like a really fucked 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:27.760 up story. 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.000 Uh, but the like still makes jokes. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.200 I don't know, It's just I think if you are 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.440 ready and wanting to listen to that. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.080 That is something maybe I could recommend. 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.440 Yeah, we'll repost it today in our stories so you 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:41.960 can find it. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.840 Yeah, you obviously have to be in a mood for it, 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.520 and people are being nice, but she did post that 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.360 the YouTube comments, people are already like, this isn't real, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.720 fake story that you're lying, and it's like, I don't 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.880 get that. I don't get how you do that from home, 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.160 Like why would she lie? What are you talking about? 0:14:58.280 --> 0:14:58.320 No? 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.680 I mean, people are so fucking annoying. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.280 Like, also, you know that tweet I did about Rosie 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.600 saying life is down the drain or whatever, it kind 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.680 of went viral. A bunch of people wrote, this didn't happen, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.600 are you kid? I didn't invent this fucking story about 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.320 my toddler saying something crazy. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.040 Like people love to say fake stories. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.360 I know, but that's the thing online people like say 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.160 their kids say things and they don't know Rosie is 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.880 highly verbal, because I think parents do lie. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:27.840 And then there's hack jokes. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:29.600 Have you not seen the fake ones where it's like 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.040 and then my child said, and it's clearly something that 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.240 kid would make. It's like kind of an online joke, right, Oh, okay, I. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.160 Thought it was just people always think that they know 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.200 when the story is fake and is real on the internet. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.960 Sorry to compare me, it's obviously not the same situation. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.760 Her situation is the patriarchy, being like this didn't happen. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.720 Speaking of let's start, let's start, you know, could we 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:49.600 could babble all day? 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.440 We gotta start speaking of Okay, let's start. Wow, Lisa, 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.000 that's the most restrained. Oh, I also have a fun life. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:56.200 Hat. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.600 Okay, if you need a clean and there's a pile 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.440 of clothes and you don't want to clean right now, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:02.320 you could put it in the suitcase. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.119 Because I had Kara. 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.400 And our friend Lovely gave me the woman that cleans 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.640 their home to help me keep my you know, small 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.440 apartment clean because it ruins my life and I'm phil 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.920 I'm a clutterbug. But I just had a pile of 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:18.840 clothes and I just didn't want to do it, and 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:19.920 I was like, oh yeah, I could put them in 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.600 a suitcase. I don't have to clean shit. And it 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.560 felt really good. So if that helps anybody, or. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:25.960 Just fold your damn clothes. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.240 But it was late, like I'll do it now, But 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.200 I just I just was like I can't like yesterday. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:32.520 I came home last night and I had to put 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.000 sheets on my bed. That's not fine. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.640 Oh god, I hate that. We talked about that. I 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.560 was dreading that for you, and everyone is sad for you. 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.280 Like as I was leaving the comedy store, I was like, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:42.560 I gotta put sheets on the bed. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:46.720 And the reaction of people is everyone's like God's speed. Yeah, 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:47.840 I one new. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.200 All right, let's start, let's start. We were going on forever. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.400 We've got a good one for you guys today. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.800 Pathological all right, Season nineteen, episode ten. So it's newer, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.040 so not as many watches for me, so it is 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.359 kind of exciting to watch the newer ones sometimes, Sames, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.040 you know, I haven't watched this eight hundred times, but 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:11.800 I will, you know, talk to me in a year. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.520 This is a really good one, and when it was 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.400 a sign, I didn't even remember it. So it's nice 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.960 to have a surprise. And we open with Olivia sleeping, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:20.159 so we know something bad is. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.240 Around the corner. We do not let her relax. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.040 She's having nightmares about brook Shield's grandma, you know, Sheila. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.200 So this is right after Sheila tried to steal Noah 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.760 from Benson and they fight and there's god, I mean fuck, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.120 So she's having flashbacks and a lot of nightmares from 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.960 the abuse from this, like brookshield grandma. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.320 It's so funny because her and brook Shields are like 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:44.879 good friends in real life and I see them on 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.639 Instagram together all the time, and it's like, weird, Shila 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.000 Benson real life friendship. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.160 Well, it's also weird that she was like, that's shady, Marishka. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:55.800 I'm sorry, this is the first bed thing we'll say 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.880 about Marishka. But she's like, hey, best friend, come play 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:07.480 my grandma a grandma shade, Oh yeah, a grandma. And 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.080 this is also a perfect episode to piss off Karras 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.600 and she hates Noah and thinks everything's his fault. 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.080 Honestly, he's still okay, he's a little bit cute here still, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.360 but it's also he's like Malrea's grandma. 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.120 Sheila, and it's like she tried to fucking kill your 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.040 mom and kidnap you. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.960 Yeah, but she's not telling him. So Noah wants like 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.000 to sleep in her bed and Benson's like, can I 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.320 just get a break, And then she's like fine, fine, 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.719 one more night, but you gotta put your foot down. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:33.600 You don't want to be sleeping. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.320 And you know there's a comedian I won't name his 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.880 name in New York that he slept with his parents 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.199 until he was twelve years old. He refused to not 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.840 sleep with them. And then guess what, he has a 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.640 younger sister, twelve years younger than him. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.119 Oh my god. So they just like never fucked. 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:52.040 I think this for twelve years and then finally fucked 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.560 and had another child's. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:57.160 Maybe my god, I can't find out who this is off. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:02.159 Yeah, and so they go, Oh and Noah has a 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.440 really cool robot painting in his room. So I really 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.720 like that Olivia is sprucing up the bedroom. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.840 It's cute. You always recognize the decora. I like, never 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.040 see that stuff. Listen, I'm a yeah. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.720 I like you've got an eye for designs. No, mostly 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.800 for spending money on framed pieces of work. So we're 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.920 gone from Olivia's apartment and now we cut to a 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.879 school and it seems like a progressive learning style place 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.119 because it's just one giant table and students sitting around 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.920 it in a circle. So it's not a traditional looking classroom. 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.439 So Stabler might not know about the details of this college. 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.240 It is not Catholic. It's not a college either, it's 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:40.639 a school. 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:40.960 Okay. 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.920 So we see this blonde girl, Maryelle, and then this 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.400 is when I was like, oh, I know this episode. 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:47.679 So I was like, wait, what is this? What is this? 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.479 See her face? I know exactly where we are. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.040 So mary Al's blonde, she has a headband, she's wearing 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.720 horizontal stripes. And then the boy next to her has 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.000 a thing for her. Clearly he's hot for Maryelle and 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:02.080 he's also wearing horizontal stripes. So I see wardrobe department, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.119 all right. So they break out a smaller work groups 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.600 and the crush boy and blonde girl they're working together 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.960 and they have like a fun little vibe, and we 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.320 find out that she's on a new medication and that 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.520 makes her sleepy, but she thinks she'll be fine, but 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.480 she is struggling today. And there's like a really hip 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.040 young teacher with a cute little bob and bangs, and 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.040 she's so positive and she just really seems like an 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:26.960 amazing teacher. And she's gonna go get something for a student. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.560 And when she goes to grab something for a student 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.879 in this closet, the striped boy with the shirt, the 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.240 c is on top of the blonde girl and they 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.359 are it looks like fucking, but the blonde girl looks sad, 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.560 so it could not be consensual. We don't really know. 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.200 She looks sad, there is sex. They are in a closet. 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.879 So then we get Rollin's and Creasy onto the scene 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.399 of the crime and they're talking to the principal and 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.720 or she just looks like a principle. She could be 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.919 a dean of students. Okay, we didn't get her official title. 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.920 We find out Mary Ala is fifteen. She has MD, 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.199 which is muscular dystrophy epilepsy and some learning issues. And 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.960 the boy is Cody Hill, nineteen and he has autism, 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:08.440 and uh oh, that's a criminal age. 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.480 Gap, so what are we gonna do? Nineteen fifteen? 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:12.840 And this actually happened when I was working at fat 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:17.439 Camp because we had a group of older women, like 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.080 up to twenty five, and then there's all these boys 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.159 and everyone's fucking and it was like we had to 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.080 make sure the older and younger people weren't fucking. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:32.399 WHOA, So that's gap, criminal age gap? That's real? Okay? 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:39.520 Is that merch or is that weird? Okay? So, you know, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.679 should we find out they're fine. They were found in 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.160 the supply closet, and no one really knows what's going on, 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.840 but this school has mandatory reporting. So they talked to 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.520 the hip, young, cool teacher, Vanessa Banks, and she's like, 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.160 I don't know how they slipped away. They were both 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.119 very upset, and the parents are on the way, but 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.280 they don't really want legal stuff for the school and 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.280 they want to keep this hush hush. And she talks 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.520 about how these children do have impaired social interactions and 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.199 they're very sheltered and immature, so they might have not 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.480 even known what they were doing or like what was happening. 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.920 Yeah, because this is a special education classroom, yes. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.399 Yes, yeah, okay, I thought maybe it was like a 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:21.800 school designed for like a whole special needs school. 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:23.439 Oh, it could be. It could be a full special 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.040 needs school. I don't know, or class for sure. The 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.439 classroom that we've seen is y. Yeah. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.280 So Rolin goes to talk to our girl, Maryelle, and 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.440 she's like, oh, no, am I in trouble. And then 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:37.080 this mom runs in crazed lunatic. Okay, this mom's like, 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:38.360 oh no, you called the police. 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:39.720 What happened? What happened? 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.159 And so she tells her mom in front of Rollin's 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:43.920 that Cody raped her. 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:45.040 Credits. 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.679 The mom looks to me in a weird way, like 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.200 Heather from New Real Housewives of New York. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:54.359 Oh interesting, Yes they're familiar. Yeah, she did look familiar. 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.399 I amdbeat her. She's been working. She has over one 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.080 hundred credits, but nothing that hit my heart that I 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.520 would mention. But she's working, she's making her dreams come true, 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.920 and she does an incredible job in this episode. I 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:10.919 didn't write her name down, Okay, disrespectful, but and you know, 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.360 we saw this coming before the credits, Like Maryelle did 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.080 not look happy during the encounter, so you know the 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.480 fact that she said there was rape did not surprise me. 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.520 But we're at the credits, so then we're back, and 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.840 then we see Cody's dad and Carees do like a 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.200 little boy hang and the dad is like, my son 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:30.280 did nothing wrong, and CARESI asked for a scoop and 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.800 Cody said they had sex and he called Maryella Mermaid 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.200 because her legs don't work, and he is Prince Eric 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.639 and the dad says that Little Mermaid is his favorite movie. 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:42.840 I like it. I just showed it to Rosie recently. 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.320 I love it so much. Did she like it? Yeah? 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:46.840 She did. We watched it twice. 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.399 That makes me so happy. I do want to be 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.119 there for some first time viewings with her. Maybe I 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.080 can do a bug's life. Maybe that'll be me. 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.120 Oh yeah. 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.000 The dad is like, listen, these are kids are being kids, 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.800 like they don't know what sex is. And then Cody's like, 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.119 the hell I don't. He goes, that's what he's like. 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.240 You put your penis inside the girl and it means 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.440 you're in love. And so everyone's like okay. Andchriasy does 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.679 look hot. He has a nice expensive looking like camel 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:18.119 colored peak like trench. 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.080 He does look sexual in this. I like it. 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:23.919 He's like listen, I don't know what to say, and 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:25.800 he tries to leave for a break and his brain 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:28.040 is kind of broken. He's just kind of confused how 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:30.840 to handle this because this is like so many layers 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:34.760 of what is happening. It's like a grown man whose 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.440 favorite movie is Little Mermaid thinking she's a murder. There's 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.440 just like a lot of stuff ring. So the dad 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.480 is like, this isn't a crime. What the fuck? Like 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.960 what you know, oh, did her mother make a complaint? 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.920 Over protective is an understatement, Andchrisy goes, it's not really 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:50.640 about the mom. 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:52.480 This girl's fifteen. It's up to us. 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:54.800 And so the dad's a little shocked and bewildered and 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:56.080 he's kind of worried. 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:56.920 For his kid, obviously. 0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:59.640 So we're back to the girls room and she's telling 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:01.880 a man that he helps her out of her chair 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.240 and she can walk, but it is hard for her. 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.240 And the mom is in the back playing with her 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.879 hands and she's just so stressed out. And mary All 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:13.120 continues and says, she took her sweater off and I 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:18.359 was distracted. Amanda's hair looks perfect, and so basically he 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.960 took her pants off. And then Amanda's like, you said rape? 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:22.920 Did you do something you didn't want to And she's 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.040 like no, we're in love and we're getting married. And 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.840 Rollind is like, wait, what do you think rape is? 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:29.600 And she says, when a man puts a penis in 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:33.720 your vagina. So again another layer of mixed energy. She 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.280 just doesn't know what's happening, and the mom is she 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.240 looks so concerned. She has a lot of heavy makeup 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.160 for like a daytime, look like, what errands are you doing? 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:43.359 Did you have a crush on the nail? 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:43.640 Girl? 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:47.199 Like, what's going on? So she said she heard an 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.280 aid talking about it once and that's how she learned 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.240 about it. And she's like, I liked it and we 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.240 were like real grown ups. So it is consensual, but 0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:58.679 it can't even be consensual because she is fifteen. The 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.840 mom is telling Amanda, listen, I got to get her home. 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.600 She has anxiety issues and and it's like she looks 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.600 chill as fuck, Like she doesn't look stressed at all. 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:12.400 You seem stressed and you're projecting unto your child. So 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.000 she's like, you know, there's muscle weakness and atrophy. And 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.480 in the back of my head is Cody's father's statements, 0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:19.360 you know, of her being like over you know, too 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:23.119 overprotective and a little stressed out. So Rollins is like, no, 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:24.840 we got to take her to the hospital for a 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:26.720 rape kit. And the mom tries to take her to 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.240 her own pediatrician, and Rollins is like, we need to 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.400 take her to someone who has experienced doing rape kits. 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:32.240 Go shut up. 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.359 So we cut to our boys, Careese and Finn gossiping 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.560 about the case. On the other side of the mirror 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:42.200 is Cody and Daddy Cody. So they discussed calling Olivia, 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.240 but they decide to leave Olivia alone. 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.040 She you know, let Olivia chill. 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.119 So we get that Olivia is on leave after the 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:52.920 Brookshields incident and that it was really like traumatizing for her. 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.680 So the plan becomes take his statement, let's see rape 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.479 kit results, and then Barba can let us know if 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:01.439 there's a crime or not. 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.800 Great plan. Great plan, guys. 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.800 So now we go to Mercy Hospital on December twenty first, 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.280 So we are a few days away from Christmas, and 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:11.800 I saw no decorations. 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.720 That's always something that cannoccupy you. Now, you guys have 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:17.639 got to be decorating for the holidays. 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:18.960 Lisa is going. 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:23.359 To notice December twenty first is too close. Yeah, that's 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.639 extremely clear. They would have been on winter break. They 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:28.199 wouldn't have even been in school, to be honest. So 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.560 the pediatrician comes who the mom wants, and talks to 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.480 the mom, and Amanda is looking at them like really suspicious, 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.200 like a hawk and soaking up all this strange behavior, 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.000 and the mom is flipping out, and then they decide 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.760 to give her a sedative, but she looks chill like, 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.320 she doesn't look stressed. But they give her ketamine. They 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.919 give her a ketamine drip, and they have to do 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.160 it in her left arm or like in her right arm, 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.160 because her left arm has some other problems. So Amanda's 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.000 really not happy seeing this, and the mom is just 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.119 flipping out and crying, and it is like, this is 0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:00.320 so hard, this is hard. 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:01.000 I'm sad, you know. 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.000 And Amanda's like, what's the problem, and the mom again 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.119 mentions muscular dystrophe at age four, then wheelchair and then 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.320 epilepsy and blood cancer twice terrible. She then gives the 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.399 line about God not giving you more than. 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.040 You can handle. Blah blah. Clearly did not love that. 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.240 Line cuts to Benson and Noah, and then they're playing 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:20.000 cards again. 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.240 Kara, how do you feel about this? I want Noah 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.520 to lose, And. 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:28.639 Of course she's interrupted by a vibrating phone and it 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.080 is Amanda, and Noah was like, I said, no work, mommy, 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.120 and it's like, bitch, she's saving lives. 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:35.960 Okay, you can play goldfish in a second. 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.400 So Amanda's calling, but Amanda's actually right outside of Benson's 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.480 apartment door wanting to chat, and it's like, how'd you 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.240 get in the building. I know there's a door, guy, 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:46.920 what buzzer? Why are you calling? If you could just 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.200 knock on the door, And this doesn't make sense. 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:51.880 When she said I'll meet you right now, I truly 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:53.480 thought when she opened the door, it was gonna be 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.760 lucy and she was gonna be like peace Noah never 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.440 finishing this game, Like I really thought it was gonna 0:28:58.440 --> 0:28:59.760 be lucy and she was about to bounce. 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:04.320 And I'm like loving Benson's update, like she just looks 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.320 so perfect. I'm like really feeling a lot of positive 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.960 vibes for this episode. So and I'm really curious to 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.640 hear about the real case because I feel like it's 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.239 a famous one, but I don't know much about it. 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.440 So Amanda gets Melinda Warner to do a talk screen, 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.040 so we find out that she asked Melinda on the 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.480 sly like can you just check what's going on here? 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.840 So now Ice and Rollins are with Melinda Warner and 0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.040 Melinda's like, you were right, bitch, you were right. She 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.360 had half a pharmacy inside of her, and some of 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.760 these medications don't make sense, and some of the pills 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.520 don't work well together and actually causes more issues, and like, 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.959 no actual real professional would ever do this types of 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.560 mixing and matching with supplements and pills. So Melinda is like, 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.760 this is a giant medical malpractice suit or child abuse. 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:50.560 But something is going on. 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:53.960 So Chriesine and Amanda go to visit the mom, who 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.120 is showing them a video of her daughter like being 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.240 able to go to Disneyland. It looks like a Make 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:02.440 a Wish type style situation. They let her know that 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.440 they are not going to press any charges on Cody, 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.040 and mom says, you know, that's probably for the best. 0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:11.200 But then Maryelle wheels into the room like, hey, can 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:12.840 I go to school? I want to go to school, 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.560 And the mom's like, you're not going to school. You're 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.560 resting one more day. You're sick, No school for you. 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:17.240 Go to your room. 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:21.479 So the mom explains to Rollin's like, oh, she's just 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.760 having a reaction to the ketemine and it's like, yeah, 0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:25.080 a horse tranquilizer. 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.960 She's fifteen. What do you a ketamine drip? 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.640 I mean, how would it be xanacs or something. It's 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.479 so weird, but yeah, go on, Oh we're sure we're 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.840 going to get a million nurses being like ketamine's normal, 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.200 but like it just sounds really extreme. 0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:41.960 Rollin's is like, we have more to talk about, Like, 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.840 you know Maryelle's medic I hate that name, Maryelle. 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:47.959 It doesn't roll off the tongue. 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.800 Rollins comes back from Melinda Warner to talk to the 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:53.600 mom and she goes, hey, like, why are you giving 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:55.680 all these medications like they don't mix, They're actually causing 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:57.800 more problems, Like can you explain to me why you're 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.160 mixing and matching? And she goes, well, yeah, I do 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:02.560 my own research online. I try to find hippie dippy 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.000 and alternative medicines. You know, I'm trying to do anything 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.600 that I can to help. You know, her dad left 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.280 when she was six. He couldn't handle the illnesses, and 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:13.440 so sometimes I tried these natural supplements and I'm so sorry, 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.680 and we'll go to a doctor and fix it. You know. 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.680 She's acting like I'm just a mom trying my best 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:22.560 and I'll do anything my bad. So the detectives head 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.720 to Maryelle's doctor to get more scoop. The pediatrician who 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.440 he met earlier. She says that she's been seeing mary 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.560 Elle for two years and she doesn't like she doesn't 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.120 know what's going on, but she doesn't think anything bad 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.760 is happening. She's like, I, you know, I have all 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.880 the information. She tells me everything. And they're like, well, 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:41.280 what if she lied? Why don't you have all these 0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.920 other histories. What was happening in her medical history before 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.120 the two years? And the doctor makes a good point 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:46.760 I didn't think about. 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:47.000 She goes. 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.000 When a parent comes in and tells you their child's 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.960 medical history, you just believe them. But they're probing the 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.080 doctor for more information. It's like, come on, you know, 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:55.280 you know. 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:56.400 She can't tell you. 0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:01.920 It's hippa bitch, so you know she's not spilling the 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.920 hip a secret. I'm hearing that in Britney Spears's voice, like. 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.760 It's hip a bitch. I did that on purpose. 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.520 The doctor thanks them for bringing this to her attention, 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:13.800 and she's gonna make some calls and figure some stuff out. 0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:15.840 So I think the doctor's good because they're a part 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.720 of me. Was like, what if the doctor's in cahoots 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.560 with the mom and they're both kind of psychopaths. 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.920 So I'm glad that, Like the Doc's like, I'm gonna 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:22.600 look into all this. 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:24.840 So they know they can't get info from the mom, 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:26.880 so they decide like, maybe we can find the father 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:32.200 and Chriesy's like, should we ask for permission? And Rollins goes, no, 0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:34.360 you fucking dork. Do you want to try to fuck me? 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.600 Why don't you act cool? So they go to meet 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.959 the dad and he's like, I'm not a bad father, okay, 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.160 and then it's like, but you did ditch your sick kid, 0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:44.880 but he's like, I send money every month and it's 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.200 actually the mom who doesn't let me see her. I 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.000 want to see her, but she says it's too much 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.640 for Maryelle. And then we talk about the leukemia at six, 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.160 So all of a sudden we hear about leukemia or 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:56.360 is that the blood cancer? 0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:57.600 Is leukemia? Blood cancer? 0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:57.760 Oh? 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.680 Yeah, it's white blood cells. Wow, okay, I learned that 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.120 from the Charlie Brown. Did you ever watch this in school? 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:04.600 What? 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.080 Every year we had to watch a Charlie Brown where 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.360 his girlfriend gets leukemia? No, and then she loses her 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:11.680 hair and then at the end he pushes her on 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:13.239 her swing and she takes her hat off and her 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:17.280 hair's grown back. No, yeah, we watched this Charlie Brown 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:21.040 cancer thing. Every year Devonshire, what's up, dolphins? 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:21.480 Okay? 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.520 And they're like, did you save any old records? Like, hey, 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:29.920 you know as the dad, and he has some. So 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:31.640 that's really good. So we're gonna find some of the 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.680 older doctors and start putting this medical history together. 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.640 So we're grateful that they found this father. 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.880 So Ice, who's in charge of SVU, while Benson's away, 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.560 is like, hey, so what is this diagnosi? It's like, 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:44.560 what's going on? And this is an episode where this 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.200 is Amanda's case, Like Amanda is very passionate about this, 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:51.600 and so she says Munchausen's by proxy, and Finn, it's 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.160 like the mulaney joke in my head where he's like, 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:59.760 Munchausen's by proxy? What's that? It's season nineteen. It's season nineteen, Finn. 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:03.480 This isn't even the first episode where there's been Munchhausen's 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:04.960 by proxy, right, you. 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.840 Know there's actually been Munchausens and Munchauses by proxy on 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:09.239 this show. 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:11.520 Well, because Munchhausen's one of my favorite when the guy 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.360 pushes her in the wheelchair and yeah, the pool Rebecca 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.920 de Mornay, baby, I love that episode so much. 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:19.839 I don't think it's based on a crime. I want 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:21.399 to do it so bad, but I don't think it's 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:22.160 based on anything. 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:24.160 Yeah, maybe we'll do it. I want force it. Maybe 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.600 we'll force it to be based on something. Yeah. 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:32.239 Amanda explains what Munchausen's by proxy is and if some 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.680 of you are like iced tea slash Fin and they 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:36.440 you don't know what it is. It's basically when a 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:40.319 parent makes up issues in their kids for attention. And 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.520 Amanda is positive she is looking at this and so 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:45.640 then we get all the scoop from all the records 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:49.440 and there's been like dozens of doctors through six different states, 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:53.960 fifty medications and surgeries and so many diagnoses, so this 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:55.880 is an issue. And Ice is like, well, isn't this 0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.600 a little bit on the doctors And Amanda goes, not 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.600 really if you move all the time, and then like 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:02.720 you fill in the gaps and the records are lost 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.960 and the doctors believe the mom with you know, you 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:10.000 believe the Yeah. So Amanda's like, this mom is medicating 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:11.440 and making her daughter sick and I'm going to get 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.239 to the fucking bottom of it. And Ice is like, 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:17.879 I don't know, let's call Olivia. No Ice doesn't want 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:19.840 to do work, so he's like, call Olivia, call Barbara, 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:22.120 call child Services. I'm going to my desk. I'm chilling. 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.800 We cut to Mariel in an interrogation room with blinds 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.080 and windows, some more of like, you know, the meeting room, 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.799 not the scary interrogation room, and she's like, when can 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:35.600 me and my mom go home? And Rollin's is like 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.680 sh so. Then in the other room, the more like 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.720 scary cement type room, we have the mom and Careesi 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.600 inside and outside is Finn, Olivia and Barbara and they're 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.640 having a little gossip session. And then Olivia walks into 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.040 the interrogation room with a ton of files in her 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:55.080 hands to talk to the mom, and the mom likes 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.319 that she's lieutenant. She goes, finally somebody in charge, like 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.920 I need to see my daughter. I'm sure she's so scared, 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.800 Oh my god. And Olivia is so calm, so sexy, 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.440 so determined, and starts going through the papers and she's like, listen, 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:11.520 this one doctor did twenty tests between May and October 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:14.319 and they were all negative, so what is you know? 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:14.799 What's up? 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:16.520 She goes, if you have a sick kid, you keep 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.720 on pushing. You don't tell you, don't let one doctor 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.600 tell you it's okay, Like you have to find and 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:23.480 it is a good point, you know, would be d Wong, 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:25.560 host of that show Something is killing Me, and it 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:29.000 is about something being wrong with people and no doctors 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.320 being able to see it. So I understand that mentality 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.440 of like fuck this doctor, but twenty tests. 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:36.719 You know, because I used to do this. 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.960 I would go to my gynecologist over and I think 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.839 I've mentioned this on the podcast before, and I kept 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.160 saying I have problems, and she slowly was trying to 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.200 be like, your problems are in your head and you 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.800 need to leave me alone. She's like, I can't. You 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:55.000 can't come you can't come back here. So Benson is 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.240 a little bit like okay, Like I think she realizes 0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:58.880 I have to go like this is I need to 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:00.799 speed this up, like this is not going to get 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:02.440 it and I just really have to confront her. So 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.239 she goes, I'm gonna be honest with you, lady. You 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.960 were not looking for doctors to help cure your daughter. 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.040 You were looking for doctors to agree with you. And 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.560 she responds, no, I'm a good mother, and then she 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.760 says that she grew up in an awful, abusive home 0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:19.520 and she is here to give her daughter love. And 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.840 they're like, that's not love, but now we see motives. 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:24.640 She was abused, and so now she wants to like 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.240 dote on this daughter so much. So Cariese is like, listen, 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.560 we know you love your daughter. We are not denying that. 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:32.960 And she says, all I want for my child is 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.440 to be well and healthy and happy, and it's all 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.080 I've ever wanted for her. And she starts screaming for 0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:40.160 her daughter and runs out of the room and says, 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.800 I'm taking her home. And then Maryelle just like wheels 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.759 in AND's like mommy, mommy, and Carise is holding the 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:50.480 mama back and she's like screaming. And then mary Alle 0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:51.919 gets up and you know she does have a hard 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.720 time walking, but she starts walking slowly to her mom 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.360 and then fuck, she has a seizure. 0:37:58.400 --> 0:37:59.560 Yeah, so scary. 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:05.120 So now it's like shit, shit, shit, you know this 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.080 miner is having a seizure. What's gonna happen? Who started 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.400 a seizure? Like, we can't deny that there's a problem. Yeah, 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.040 So then Benson is taking a little nap at the hospital. 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:15.759 Where at the hospital you can you know, they call 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:16.400 a bus. 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:17.279 Okay, So. 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.720 Benson's like napping in the hospital waiting room having nightmares 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:26.680 about Grandma Sheila again, and Melinda get her some ketamine. 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.600 So then Melinda wakes her up and asks what's up 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.080 and lets Olivia know that baby girl mary Ala is 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:36.040 recovering and basically she had so many supplements inside of 0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:38.960 her and that that's what caused the seizure and she 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:44.080 does not have MD or a seizure disorder wild So 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.799 then it's like, did the mom purposely research what would 0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:49.440 give her seizures or was she just giving her all 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:53.439 these meds? You know? So the dad's gonna drive up 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.279 from Pennsylvania and mary ELL's recovering and we will see 0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.560 what happens next. And what's next is where Bellevy with 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.960 the mom and she is like, if I wanted to 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:03.600 harm her. 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:03.920 I could have. 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:05.960 I could have fucked with her feeding tubes and made 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.200 her overdose. And the doctor, the therapist is like, well, 0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:11.359 did you ever think about that, because that's like you're 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:12.320 telling on yourself. 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:13.960 Yeah, Like, as someone. 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:15.839 Who would not do that, I would never that would 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:17.719 not I wouldn't be like, I could fuck with her 0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.319 feeding tube if I wanted to be, Like, wait, what what. 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:20.920 Are you saying? 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:27.000 So she reveals that her stepfather would hurt her, and 0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:28.840 the therapist does seem famous to me? 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:29.640 Like I know her. 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.520 Yeah, her name is Carolyn McCormick. She was in sixty 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.359 six episodes of Law and Order Original recipe. She's been 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:40.279 in six episodes of this one and a sprinkling in 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.720 seasons one and two. Then she did one in season fourteen, 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.479 and now she's in two episodes this season of season nineteen. Wow, 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:49.239 not a criminal intent to trial by jury, like she's 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.879 all over the franchise, but Law and Order, you guys 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:52.319 all know. 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:55.399 Her from Law and Order Original recipe, damn. And she's 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.439 always doctor e Levett or no, yeah, she's always doctor 0:39:58.440 --> 0:39:59.160 Elizabeth Alive. 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:07.920 And so Barbara and Careesy are like chatting, said Barbara, Well, okay, 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:11.279 so they're chatting and they're listening to what's happening with 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.279 the therapist, and they're like, fuck, she could get off 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:15.760 on a psych defense and Barbara is like, who cares, 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:17.239 Like I don't care about that. We just have to 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.120 make sure she never gets custody of her daughter. Again 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.279 like jail or no jail. Our goal is to get 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.880 this daughter away from this fucking mother. And the mom 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.319 starts saying that, like when she would get abused by 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.399 her stepdad, she would pretend that she was hurt way 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.759 worse than she was, so then she could stay home 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.120 from school with her mom and get attention. So you know, 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.319 the therapist is very good, giving b D a run 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.879 for his money. And she's like, oh, so you learn, 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:43.040 you know, like you learn to manipulate authority for self preservation. 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.000 Good for you, But why did you give your kid 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.680 meds that gave her a seizure? And she's like, I 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:50.920 wanted someone to see that she was sick and to 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.480 treat her. And the doctor all of that comes out 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:59.480 and tells Barba and Creasy like she has every diagnostic 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.880 for Munchausen's by proxy, and she knows what she is 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.359 doing is wrong and she doesn't know why she's doing it, 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.160 but she can't stop doing it. But she is confident 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:11.360 enough for trial, so we will see you in court. 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:12.800 We cut to them. 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.480 Letting Mary all know what's been happening, and she obviously 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.160 is not happy with the news. She's like, I haven't 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:20.319 been sick this whole time, and they're like, no, you're 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:22.439 actually fine and you're gonna be healthy and you're gonna 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:23.600 walk and you're gonna do everything. 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:25.479 It might take a little bit, but you'll be good. 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:27.799 And I know it's hard to believe your mom made 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:29.439 you sick and gave you meds to make you sick, 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:33.120 but that's what happened. And she asks why, and it's like, yeah, 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.360 that's a great question. We don't know what to tell you. No, 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.759 Rollin says there's something wrong with her brain and she 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:39.919 didn't know how to take care of you. And Mary 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:42.319 Alle's like, but she loves me, and we're like we know, 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.960 we know she's just fucked in her head. Okay, but 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.680 that would be horrific. I can't imagine finding that out. 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.920 So then a very super cute moment alert Barba is 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.960 at Live's house and there's like a stuffed animal elephant 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.280 and he's surrounded by blocks like it's in jail. 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:01.840 But I was like, yeah, I never trusted that elephant. 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:02.400 What did he do? 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:08.000 And I just I liked it. So they're chatting like 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.760 do we do jail or mental health facility? Like what's 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:14.280 gonna happen? And then they talk about Sheila Porter again 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.440 for a little bit and Noah Benson cries, it's too 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.040 tears up, tears up, not cries, and then her phone rings, 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.560 not good news, and it's Finn and Don. 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:25.200 This is awful. I hate this scene. 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.640 So Don just showed up at Mercy Hospital and is 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.439 trying to rip an IV outside out of Maryelle's arm 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:34.680 and she's crying and the dad is like, fuck you bitch, 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:38.160 and she yells I love you and she's screaming, and 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:42.880 the Maryelle goes, you love making me sick, and you 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:46.000 took my life away from me and you almost killed me. 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.279 And she's like, they're lying, they're lying. I'm the only 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:49.719 one who knows how to take care of you. 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:52.480 Roll of a lifetime, you know, screaming and crying, being 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:54.160 taken away by tons of people. 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:55.160 It's so good. 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.800 And mary Elle's like, I just want to be normal, 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:04.080 sweet girl, but you never will, Okay. So Rollin's is 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.720 like super moved by the case, and Don made bail 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.640 and she's out again and she has and she got 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.640 out because there's like supporters on her gofund me that 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:15.719 are bailing her out. And I don't know if there 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:17.960 are other munch houses by proxy people, or there are 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:20.840 people that have just been, you know, following Maryelle's sickness. 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:22.719 I think that's probably what it is. 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.000 Yeah, but why would you you would want to keep 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:29.239 the mom in not help her get out? Rollin said 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:31.600 what she did is unforgivable, but she is sick and 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.680 it's weird to punish her. And Creasey's like, why don't 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:35.400 you just go home and be with your daughter? Okay, 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.480 so that's nice. Oh and then he gives her a 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:41.400 little speech and I don't love it, but he's like, Okay, 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.120 you're a cop and you're a single mom. Just admit 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:48.480 your life is hard sometimes I don't know. Rolin gets 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:52.439 a call from Maryelle and basically goes, stay where you are. 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:56.400 We're on our way. Done done. Don is dead, The 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:58.480 mom is dead. The mom is in a pool of 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.840 blood from her neck on the floor. Mary Alle is 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:03.759 just sitting at the table, chill as hell. Mary All 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.560 goes she's dead and I killed her and that's that? 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:08.840 What if? That was the end? Okay? 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:13.920 And she said it felt so good and energetic, and 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.120 I feel alive and I saw colors in my whole 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.719 life and I thought I was stupid, but my own 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:19.799 mother did this to me. 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.120 And Barbara's like, wait, what the fuck happened? 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.560 And she's kind of like now becoming a sassy teenager, 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.040 Like they're like, you know, the meds are disappearing, and 0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.920 she's feeling she's just like a bitchy teen and I 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:33.799 love to see it. And she was just like, oh, 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:35.680 what happened after my mom came to the hospital and 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:36.440 tried to kill me? 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:38.120 And that is what happened. 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.160 I mean, what would you do if your mom broke 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.600 a protective order and started pulling tubes out of your arms? 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:44.080 I mean, I fucking twisted. 0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:49.560 And basically, it's like she was she was scared because 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:51.400 it's like the mom could always come back, she was 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.560 always in danger. She's always gonna feel scared, like she's 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.440 never gonna leave me alone, and so she grabbed a 0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:01.040 hammer and beat the shit out of her mom, Like 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:03.640 she doesn't understand that her mom is also sick, but 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:05.399 she doesn't have to. I mean, she's a teen who's 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:06.760 been abused for her whole life. 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:08.480 So yeah, it's like. 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:10.920 We're asking a lot out of her, and maybe they 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:12.880 should have had more protective services for her. 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:13.400 Or something. 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.120 So Maryelle says, like, you know, she had to go 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:18.719 talk to her and confront her and be like, you 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:20.840 need to leave me alone and live my life. But 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:22.920 obviously the mom's not going to take it great and 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:24.759 kept trying to hug her and she's like, I don't 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.560 want to hug you. And then the mom went to 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.759 go get pills to like chill her out, and she's like, 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.280 I don't need pills. I need you to leave me alone. 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.239 And the mom's like, you're my daughter forever, you will 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.160 always need me to take care of you. So she 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.960 hit her with the hammer and it's like, were you 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.080 just trying to hurt her or did you like cause 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:42.680 she was coming at you, or did you set this 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:44.759 whole thing up so look like self defense? Did you 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:49.600 go to murder her? Like what was actually the motive here? Yeah, 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:51.799 And she's like, don't you get it. She would never 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:53.920 have left me alone or let me live. I was 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.520 finally in control and it felt good. And then the 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.000 dad realizes what's up and it's like you've said enough, 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:02.400 shut your mouth, but like nicely, and then he goes like, 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.839 my daughter's been brutalized for years, let her go and 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:09.080 Barbara says, I can't do that. So the dad finally realizes, like, 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.400 I'm gonna call a lawyer, and Barbo goes, I think 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:12.560 that's correct. 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:13.959 So now we're at court. 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.200 Melinda's on the stand and she said the cause of 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.080 death is blunt force trauma from the back of the head, 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:21.920 which is not good for self defense. And then our 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:27.200 girl from intimidation game, Mousam Macar in the building. 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:28.800 Yeah, so she's. 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.840 The defense attorney and it was really awesome to see her. 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.680 But yeah, so she so she hit her mom three times, 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.320 and the way they know that I was from blood splatter, 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:42.359 Hello Dexter. And so every time the hammer was hit, 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.439 the blood pushback would go on the wall. And there's 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.719 three of those. And Melinda has straight hair here if 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.960 you were wondering. So then the defense our girl, Mousam, 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:54.200 she brings up these highlighted articles. So basically, Marielle was 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.560 on Google that day trying to like figure out what 0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.839 has happened to her and what she read about much 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:03.520 in biproxies that there's no cure and the sentence could 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.040 be as little as a year, and the mom already 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.719 violated an order of protection and was trying to rip 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:12.240 an IV out of her. So I understand if Maryell 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.319 lost faith in the system and knew that she had 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.799 to protect herself and to save her own life from 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.360 this batshit woman who was gonna continue to try to 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:22.239 poison and kill her and Moles of like kind of 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.560 starts tearing up during this, like she's a very good 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:25.719 lawyer and actress. 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:27.919 But she, you know, is doing a really good job. 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:30.160 And it's one of my favorite judges and a sexy, 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.200 sexy updo love her with like light red hair. Barbara 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.839 Caresi and Rollins do a walk and talk that looks 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.040 fun as hell through the hallways. I would love to 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.440 be able to shoot a walk and talk scene in 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:43.000 that marble court hallway. 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:44.120 Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.400 And they're going over the details in the case, and 0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:51.000 you know, Barbara is a good guy and he's like, fuck, 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:53.160 like what am I doing? Like I'm trying to put 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:57.279 this teenager away? Like I don't what's going on. And 0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:00.319 so then they get more evidence and we find out 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.560 that she watched The Little Mermaids seven times in three days, 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:05.960 and that's Cody's favorite movie. 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:07.000 So mary Elle is. 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:08.840 Now on the stand and talking about how she just 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.480 wanted to be normal and her life sucked, and now 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:14.719 she's getting healthier and stronger and has hope, and she's 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.680 wearing a black sexy lace top that Alex's cabot would 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.239 have definitely called her a slut and put a. 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:19.759 Coat on her. 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.319 She said she intended to just tell her to leave 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.080 me alone and stay away from me, but she just 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:28.680 realized that would never happen. 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:29.960 And the jury of course. 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.600 Feels sorry for her and like does want to put 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:35.120 her in jail obviously, right, but she just felt that 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:37.319 she had nothing to do and she had to be free, 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.240 and so she swung the hammer. Now you know, Barbara 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:42.319 has a plan with this fucking little Mermaid stuff, and 0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.360 I'm like, leave her alone, but he brings up what 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.560 you do in the two hours? She said, they want, 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.760 you know, little mermaids. So little Mermaid has entered the chat, 0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:55.200 and basically Barbara gets out of her that she liked 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:57.719 Cody and wanted him, but her mother wouldn't let her 0:48:57.719 --> 0:48:59.920 get any So the mom took her out of school 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.719 because of Cody, and that's why the cops came, and 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:06.160 that's how it all started. The mom said that she 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.520 would that Maryell would never see Cody again and never walk. 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:13.160 And so Barbara is like, wait, so she stole your childhood, 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:17.360 she's stealing your future, So like, what's going on? And 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.360 she says like Ariel in the movies is mad at 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:21.600 her father, but he let her get married, and my 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.080 mom is Ursula. She is bad and she was never 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.520 gonna let me live. And she starts yelling I hate her, 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:31.080 I hate her. I wanted her dead and I'm not sorry. 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.759 Everyone is looking shocked. I hope the jury lets her go, though, 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:36.879 because I think the defense did great, and I would 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:38.879 I would have been a hold out in this case. 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:40.960 I would have been like, I'm not guilty, I'm not guilty, 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:41.800 I'm not guilty. 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:43.960 I don't care. I want to be on a jury. 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:49.720 I don't think you would have been chosen. But yeah, wow, 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.759 that was so rude of you in this case. I 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:54.200 think it would have been very hard for you to 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:55.120 hide your disdain. 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:57.000 I don't think we could ever actually be on a 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.239 jury again, because we research all this shit so much. Yeah, 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.920 I don't want to sign. We'd have to lie. Well yeah, 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:04.040 but it's also fucked like, if you've been sexually assaulted, 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:05.719 you can't sit on a jury of a rape case, 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:10.040 and it's just like, so, yeah, eighty percent of women, 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:13.920 I don't know, Like whatever, right, So we cut to 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:19.560 Benson after that wild admission in the courtroom and Benson 0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.880 is pouring suspender clad Barba a stiff drink at the 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.880 apartment and she's like, listen, you're doing your job and 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:30.080 he's like, okay, yeah, by sending a horrifically abused teenager 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:33.000 to jail. And she's like, can you drop the charges? 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.400 And he starts babbling about integrity of the law and 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:39.160 he's like, the law says she's guilty. You know, the 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.799 law says she's guilty, but your the heart says she's not. 0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:43.880 So what are you gonna do? And he just doesn't 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:44.480 fucking know. 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.719 So now January eighth, we're headed back to court and 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:50.600 Barba's in an elevator talking really loudly on the phone 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:53.160 about how she could get life in prison, and the 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:55.880 woman in the elevator's like, wait, she could get life, 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:58.920 and then it's like, uh oh, so basically there were 0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:02.160 jurors in the elevator and did he do this on purpose? 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:05.120 And he did? I think he did. 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:09.719 His face looks really shocked, when he realizes that they're 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:10.839 in the elevator with him. 0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:13.400 I didn't get the vibe that he did it on purpose. 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:13.879 I did. 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:15.560 I think he did it on purpose. We'll put a 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:18.799 pole up. We'll put a pole up. Okay, So he goes, 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:20.000 fuck you guys are the jurors? 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:20.799 What are we going to do? 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:22.920 So then the jurors and the judge they all go 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.319 talk to each other and she's like, I don't how 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:28.040 did this happen? So now we're like in the courtroom 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.760 having a little thing with Judge Barba and these jurors. 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.440 There's three jurors that hurt him, and the three jurors 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:36.279 are talking that she can get life, and so the 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:39.120 judge has to declare a mistrial. She was left with 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:41.319 no choice, and then Barba is like, hey, can we 0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:43.879 actually move this to family court? And she says, if 0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:45.960 this was your plan and I find out about this, 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:50.120 I will get your fucking ass. You can see Novak acting, motherfucker, 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:55.520 and I guess we find out the judge read him 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.600 like the riot act to. 0:51:57.719 --> 0:51:59.799 Like Chambers and Chambers. 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.560 So Benson and Barbara talk and she's like, listen, I 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.680 have absolute faith in your humanity and I really like 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:10.160 that saying or how she said it, I don't know. 0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:12.920 So family Court gave Mariyella three year sentence that was 0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:17.400 suspended to probation and community service and mental health evaluations. 0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.520 So justice was served, Benson says, and I do believe that, 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:24.120 And he says, I hope so, but I believe justice 0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:26.000 was served. I do not think she deserves to go 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:29.279 to jail for murder. If she wanted to meet that, 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.160 if she wanted to kill her mom, I'm okay with it. 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.560 And so we meet her outside with Careesi and Rollins 0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:37.040 and the dad's loading up the truck and they got them, 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.719 you know, the dad got them an apartment. And she's like, 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:42.239 I have to do lots of therapy, but this is amazing, 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:45.440 and Cody's gonna volunteer with me and he's gonna like 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:46.719 start helping people with me. 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:47.759 And Rollins is. 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:51.000 Like, get it, get your whole life, girl, And then 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:53.240 she goes, do you think it's wrong that I missed 0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:56.080 my mother? And Rollin says, no, I don't take care 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.400 of yourself. So then Careesi asks to go to for 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.439 coffee with Rollins and she's like, I'm gonna go hang 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.600 out with my baby. So she's like feeding Jesse, playing 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.680 fun basketball games with the spoon, and her child has 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:09.799 really long hair. For how tiny the child is, Like, 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:11.440 how did this two. 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.520 Year old have hair down her back? Sometimes you see 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:15.480 kids like that though it's kind of wild. I mean, 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:17.440 look at like our friend's daughter for instance, she has 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:21.520 very long hair. But also this Jesse is played by twins. 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:22.759 I've seen them on Instagram. 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:27.000 Oh cute, and so Rollins has a lot of feelings. 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:28.920 So she calls her mom her mom is being a bitch, 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.120 but she gets past that moment in the beginning of 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:36.480 the call. Great facial acting by Amanda. That's the end 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:38.640 of the episode. And I'd like to just say, call 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.439 your mom and be happy you're not abused by her. 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.560 And if you are, I'm sorry. 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:46.959 All right, You're in for a real treat with this crime. 0:53:47.000 --> 0:54:02.480 I'm surprised you don't know a lot about it. Stay tuned, Okay, 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:06.680 let's get into this case. So this is the case 0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:10.080 of the murder of Dede Blanchard and the crimes she 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:15.000 perpetrated against her daughter, Gypsy Rose Blanchard four years and 0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:17.520 I can't I won't say who, but I will say 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:20.160 that when I worked at drag Race. One of the 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:23.480 queens wanted to do Gypsy Rose for Snatch Game, and 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:26.680 the show wouldn't let him do it, and I was really. 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:29.080 That would have been incredible. It would have been incredible. 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.520 Okay, So this is a very very famous case. It 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:35.160 has been made into a Hulu series called The Act. 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:39.080 It was a HBO documentary called Mommy Dead and Dearest. 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.640 I saw the HBO documentary on an airplane, like when 0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:44.839 it first came out in twenty seventeen. Like, this has 0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:48.920 just been very very like reported on very widely. So 0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.520 I rewatched the doc and I did some other research 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:53.840 for this. But let me take you through what happened. 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:57.200 So Dede Blanchard was a twenty four year old woman 0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:01.680 who got pregnant by a seventeen year old named Rod Lanchard. 0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:03.520 They were barely a couple. 0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.799 In the documentary, he's talking about how you know, when 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.279 you get a girl pregnant in the South, you're taught 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.360 to marry them. They had really nothing in common, and 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:15.359 you know, their marriage did not last very long. They 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:19.399 were separated and shortly after their separation, on July twenty seventh, 0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:24.000 nineteen ninety one, Gypsy rose was born. So Rod said 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:25.960 that Dede liked the name Gypsy, and he was a 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.680 Guns n' Roses fan, But neither of them knew about 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:33.000 Gypsy rose Lee, who was a nineteen twenti's vaudeville star 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:35.439 that the musical the Broadway musical Gypsy. 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:35.719 Is based on. 0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:40.960 And she was a stripper who also had a controlling 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:43.399 stage mother who lied about her daughter's age to make 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.719 her seem younger and forced her to perform even when 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.480 she didn't want to. So kind of crazy that they 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:50.759 named her that when you get into the rest of 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:54.960 the story. So when Gypsy was only three months old, 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:58.600 her mother began suspecting she had illnesses, and over the 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:01.600 course of her lifetime this is ranged from sleep apnea 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:07.680 to an unspecified chromosomal disorder, leukemia, asthma, epilepsy, muscular dystropt 0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:10.719 fee and what is written on a list of illnesses 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:13.520 as mild mental retardation. I know, I know we're not 0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:14.840 supposed to say that, but I'm telling you that on 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:17.239 the list of illnesses that where it was in this documentary, 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:20.040 that's what's listed. So they thought that she had, you know, 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:21.520 developmental delays. 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:23.400 She was in a. 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:27.600 Wheelchair, for fourteen years, from around like age ten to 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:31.600 age twenty four, and according to medical records, a lot 0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:35.640 like what you told us about the episode, Dede brought 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:39.000 Gypsy to local hospitals over one hundred times between. 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:40.560 Two thousand and five and twenty fourteen. 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:44.600 Now, Dede to get into her background a little bit, 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:46.960 not just to touch on it briefly. It's not the 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:50.239 same situation as Dawn in the episode. She from what 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.400 we know about her, which there could be stuff we 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.680 don't know, of course, but from what we know about her, 0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.560 she was not abused, and that she was kind of 0:56:57.600 --> 0:56:59.759 considered by the rest of her family to be a 0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:01.480 map manipulator. 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.319 Like she always was manipulative. 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:07.400 I'll get into it a little bit as well, Like 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:09.520 there was a there was a belief in her family 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.560 that she poisoned her stepmom with her stepmom's food with 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:15.480 round up weed killer, which developed into a chronic illness, 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:17.760 and as soon as the period ended that she was 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:21.160 living with her stepmother, the stepmother miraculously got better. And 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.840 then there's also a rumor that her mother, her biological mother, 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.400 was a full manipulator scammer, and that she learned a 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:30.440 lot of who she became from her mother, and that 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:35.360 she actually it's alleged that she let her mother starve 0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:38.040 to death. So a lot of fucked up stuff in 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:42.040 Deedee's life, but nothing to suggest that she was physically 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:42.640 abused the. 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:43.960 Way that the character in the show was. 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:48.040 And so Dede had worked briefly as a nurse's aide 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:51.840 and had a talent for remembering like medical jargon. So 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:54.320 she would just kind of walk her like she would 0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:56.760 just sort of breeze her way through these interactions with 0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:59.280 doctors and would just put up a wall of information 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.560 and be like, wells this and this and this and 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:05.960 this and this, and since everybody just everybody just took 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.680 that information for fact. You know, they're like she knew 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:10.360 so much you could throw anything at her. She had 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:12.680 an answer for every question. And in fact, when you're 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:14.720 looking at a lot of her medical history, a lot 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:18.040 of times it says on mother's information or upon history 0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:20.640 from mother, like that's where she fills in all the 0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:24.240 blanks basically, so that no one ever really questions, like 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:26.080 what you were saying, Yeah, you do kind of believe 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:29.960 a mom when they give a history. So she homeschooled 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:32.560 Gypsy because her illnesses were so severe, which is another 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:35.200 way of getting around the checks and balances of school, 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:39.720 you know, just have them at home. And when Dede's 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.120 family confronted her about her treatment of Gypsy and like 0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:44.440 what's going on with all these illnesses and stuff, she 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.560 actually just bounced and so okay. So they were living 0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.720 inside Luisiana, surviving off of child support payments from ROD 0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:54.760 and government assisted housing that they got because of Gypsy's condition, 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:57.520 and she bounced around to all different doctors and hospitals 0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:00.360 seeking treatment for all of the issues that I mentioned four, 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:04.960 also hearing and vision problems, frequent seizures, like all these things, 0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:08.200 and Gypsy actually had several surgeries, and d D also 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:12.120 took her to the er quite a bit. So they're 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:15.520 living in the New Orleans, the Greater New Orleans area, 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.800 and in August of two thousand and five, after Hurricane 0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:23.480 Katrina hits that area, Dede claims that Gypsy's birth certificate 0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:26.040 and all her medical records are destroyed in the flooding, 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:29.520 and they relocate to Missouri. And in two thousand and seven, 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:33.840 I've got a perfect fucking yeah, perfect like oh and 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:36.840 that so I'll get to it. But in two thousand 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:39.400 and seven, Habitat for Humanity builds them a house with 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:43.680 wheelchair accessible ramp. It's like a pink house. It's in Springfield, Missouri. 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:45.080 So they move there to be in the house. 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:47.720 I've been there, you know Kenny my friend are friend, 0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:50.040 Kenny my friend I don't know Kenny is from there. 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:52.200 I've been a spring come friends with Kenny. Yeah, I've 0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:54.760 been to Springfield, Missouri, like five times. 0:59:56.160 --> 1:00:00.880 Well, basically the community of Springfield like welcomes with open arms. 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:03.120 Everyone knows the story of this single mom with a 1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:07.840 severely disabled daughter forced to flee Katrina's devastation, and it's 1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:10.360 getting all this media attention, and the community is like 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:12.800 pitching in to help them all the time. So there's gofundmes, 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:15.760 there's all this stuff. They often stay in Ronald McDonald's 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:18.600 houses for their medical appointments. She gets them all these 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:21.920 free flights to go see doctors at Children's Mercy Hospital 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:25.120 in Kansas City. They get free trips to Disney backstage 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:27.960 passes to see Miranda Lambert concerts, who apparently she's been 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:31.360 frequently photographed with via the Make a Wish Foundation. So, 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:34.880 like Dede is basically a full on scammer. She's setting 1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:36.560 up all these gofundmes and everything. 1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:39.920 Well, I also wonder if the kid love Miranda Lambert 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:42.200 or the mom or they all did, Like that's such an. 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:44.360 Interesting fixation, it is. 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:47.480 And Miranda Lambert's been in an episode of SVU, so 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:48.920 that's true. 1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:50.360 That's true. 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:53.200 One of the only I feel like celebrities to like 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:56.000 not play themselves in a episode of SVU. 1:00:56.120 --> 1:01:00.280 She plays like an actress trying audition, so odd. 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:03.959 Brent Blanchard the dad, he's very featured in the documentary, 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.919 and he is making monthly child support payments of twelve 1:01:06.960 --> 1:01:10.400 hundred dollars and he's sending Gypsy gifts. But Dede tells 1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:12.640 other people that he's this abusive drug addict and an 1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:15.920 alcoholic who never came to term with his daughter's health issues, 1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:18.320 much like what happens in the episode where like none 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:20.640 of that's true, and she tells people he never sends 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.840 them any money, and he's like, I'm sending quite a bit. 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:26.480 And then Rod occasionally talks to Gypsy on the phone, 1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:28.520 and he talks in the documentary about like one time 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:30.640 he calls her on her eighteenth birthday and Dede's like 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:35.040 don't mention that she's eighteen because she thinks she's fourteen, 1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:39.360 because Dede was like psychologically aging her down and convincing 1:01:39.400 --> 1:01:42.920 her that she was younger, because like, you get more sympathy, 1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:44.840 I think and stuff from people thinking you have like 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.840 a sick thirteen year old fourteen year old than like 1:01:48.240 --> 1:01:51.560 you know, getting into womanly age like eighteen, nineteen twenty. 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:56.280 So he always tried to visit with Gypsy and his 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:59.080 new wife. She's featured heavily in the documentary as well, 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:02.120 Gypsy Stepmom, but Dedie always made all these excuses for 1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:07.120 why it couldn't happen. So now people really really love Gypsy. 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:10.520 Like if you watch this documentary, Gypsy's like got this big, 1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:14.120 like she's a super high, squeaky voice. She's five feet tall, 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:17.520 she has like a bunch of her teeth are like missing, 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:21.560 and she has like these huge glasses, and she just 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:24.440 looks like she does almost like performances for all these 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:27.160 home videos for her mom, Like she's like I'm about 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:30.080 to taste my mashed potatoes at Disney World. Like she's 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:32.480 so excited for like all the things that people give 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:34.320 her and the little gifts and trips she gets to 1:02:34.320 --> 1:02:37.280 go on, and it's like she's just trying to like 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:41.360 soldier through the If she was really sick, you would 1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:43.360 obviously be like, oh my god, what an inspiration. This 1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:47.520 little girl's like so positive, you know, and chuff and 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:49.760 wore wigs and hats to cover up the fact that 1:02:49.800 --> 1:02:52.680 she was bald. And she was obviously not bald because 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:55.560 of leukemia. She was bald because her mother regularly shaved 1:02:55.560 --> 1:02:57.600 her head to keep up the appearances that she was 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:02.000 undergoing chemotherapy. And she told Gypsy like, oh, well, your 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:04.440 medication and you're like, is gonna make your hair fall 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:06.720 out anyway, So let's just like let's just like make 1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:08.640 it look cute and like just you know, shave your 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:11.800 head and you know, cut to the not do deal 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:14.520 with like the full falling out process, you know. And 1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:17.480 so whenever they left the house, Dedee often took an 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:21.320 oxygen tank with them, and Gypsy had a feeding tube, 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:23.760 like she had a full feeding tube, a permanent feeding 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:27.480 tube in her mid section, which is like how you 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:30.360 get all your nutrients and your food, even though this 1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:33.919 girl was perfectly capable of eating, and she was fed 1:03:33.960 --> 1:03:39.800 the children's liquid nutrition supplement PediaSure into her twenties. So 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:43.640 not only is Dedie Blanchard making her daughter sick for 1:03:43.880 --> 1:03:48.960 money and attention and you know, prizes basically, but she 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.800 also used to physically abuse her daughter to control her. 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:54.440 Like she was always holding her hand when they were 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:57.720 with around other people, and if Gypsy ever started like 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:00.440 speaking out of school or like saying anything like that 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:03.360 could reveal anything, she would squeeze her hand really hard, 1:04:03.360 --> 1:04:05.320 and that meant shut your mouth, that meant zip it up, 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.680 and she would hit her and hit her with coat 1:04:08.680 --> 1:04:10.880 hangers later when they were alone, like if she fucked 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:14.000 up in public, she would punish her later in private. 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:17.640 And she also told Gypsy never to speak during her 1:04:17.680 --> 1:04:20.080 doctor's appointments and that she would like handle everything, so 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:22.400 Gypsy could never be like actually that doesn't hurt, or 1:04:22.440 --> 1:04:27.680 I'm actually I can walk, anything like that. So Dede 1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:31.920 had Gypsy's saliva glands treated with botox and then at 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:36.240 some point they were extracted all together, and this was 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:40.920 to control her drooling, which Gypsy actually said that her 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:44.760 mother induced by putting a topical anesthetic like on her 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:48.080 gums to numb her before doctor's visits, so then she 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:52.040 would drool uncontrollably and then had her salivary glands removed, 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:55.840 and then her lack of salivary glands, coupled with US 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:59.960 anti seizure medication having a bad side effect, basically caused 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:02.800 all her teeth to decay, to the point that the 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.760 majority of her front teeth were extracted and replaced. 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:10.200 By a bridge. This is beyond so fucked right. How 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:11.000 do you even know? 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:13.560 How do you even know to make someone drool for 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:15.640 their salavary glands to come out. 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:18.120 It's like, I'm sure she researched this shit on the internet, 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:20.040 Like what are things we can do? You know? 1:05:20.320 --> 1:05:21.360 I don't know. I don't know. 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:24.680 And being a nurse's age, she had some general medical knowledge. 1:05:24.720 --> 1:05:29.800 But like it's it's so upsetting. But Gypsy also had 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:33.840 tubes in her ears to control her purported ear infections. 1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:35.600 I mean, my little brother had tubes in his ears too. 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:37.280 But I think the point is she probably didn't have 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:39.160 ear infections and had to get tubes put in. 1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:42.120 Also, who knew you need to live and to keep 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:45.360 your teeth? I didn't. Yeah, I think it was that. 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:48.080 Yeah, that comboed with this anti seizure medication like kind 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:49.080 of rotted her teeth out. 1:05:49.120 --> 1:05:49.520 I don't know. 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:56.480 So this doctor, Bernardo Flasterstein, who was featured in the documentary, 1:05:56.640 --> 1:06:00.320 was a pediatric neurologist in Springfield who was suspicious of 1:06:00.360 --> 1:06:03.280 the muscular dystrophe diagnosis. He ordered all these MRIs and 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:07.640 blood tests, found no abnormalities, and he basically said, Toddie, 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:09.680 I don't really see why she doesn't walk, and like 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:11.920 he's like, I can see her stand and support her 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:14.600 own weight, like she should be able to walk, And 1:06:14.680 --> 1:06:19.720 then he put in his notes in a bold underlined letters. 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:23.760 Mother is not a good historian, so he could tell 1:06:23.800 --> 1:06:25.720 that the mom was kind of like creating a bunch 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:29.880 of shit. And so he uh called New Orleans and 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.800 learned that Gypsy's original muscle biopsy that she had had 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:36.840 done had come back negative. And so Dede's self reported 1:06:37.240 --> 1:06:40.960 muscular dystrophy diagnosis was bullshit, and so was the claim 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:42.840 that the records had been destroyed in a flood. By 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:44.400 the way, since he was able to call and get 1:06:44.440 --> 1:06:48.760 the records, so he suspected the possibility of Munchausen syndrome 1:06:48.800 --> 1:06:52.200 by proxy. Yeah, it's widely believed that Dede had Munchausen 1:06:52.200 --> 1:06:54.440 by proxy, which you've already explained munchaus What do you 1:06:54.480 --> 1:06:57.480 mean wildly believed she of course had it. Yes, yes, 1:06:57.720 --> 1:07:00.640 well they're saying because she's well, I'll get to it. 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:01.560 I'll tell you why. 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:05.240 But you know, Munchausen syndrome is when a person fakes 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:08.080 their own shit, and then Munchausen by proxy is when 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:11.240 they fake it onto someone who they are a caregiver for. 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:13.840 Obviously usually a child, but I think it can also 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:17.680 be old, older people. So Munchausen, if you watch Real 1:07:17.680 --> 1:07:19.560 Housewives of Beverly Hills, was a huge thing where people 1:07:19.560 --> 1:07:22.320 thought Yolanda had Munchausen and was making up a lot 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:25.200 of her illnesses. So anyway, there's a guy in the 1:07:25.240 --> 1:07:28.640 documentary named Mark Feldman who is an expert in Munchausen, 1:07:28.640 --> 1:07:30.560 and he says, this is one of the worst cases 1:07:30.600 --> 1:07:34.800 of it he's ever come across. And what happened was 1:07:34.920 --> 1:07:37.800 the reason that this didn't get flagged more was that 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:41.960 Dede had figured out how to request medical records and 1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:44.280 so she could see the doctor's notes. So when she 1:07:44.360 --> 1:07:47.400 got the doctor's notes that said not a good historian, 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:50.200 Munchhausen by proxy, she's out of there. Like whenever she 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:52.760 sees like a doctor is catching on. She moves to 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:55.960 a different doctor, and this is her mom and this 1:07:56.120 --> 1:08:00.280 doctor Flasserstein never followed up with social services because they 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:04.160 were like miniature celebrities in Springfield, like everyone supported them. 1:08:04.160 --> 1:08:06.560 He was told to handle them with quote unquote golden 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:10.080 gloves like and so he thought, no one will believe me, 1:08:10.280 --> 1:08:14.360 which is kind of I wish he had done more, Uh, 1:08:14.760 --> 1:08:17.040 but you know, what are you gonna do? And then 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:19.360 he just thought, I don't have enough evidence, like this 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:22.040 is just kind of my hunch. And so in two 1:08:22.080 --> 1:08:25.519 thousand and nine, an anonymous caller who Flazerstine says it 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:28.680 was not him, told the police about Dde's use of 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:31.800 different names and birth dates for her and Gypsy and 1:08:31.840 --> 1:08:35.000 suggested that Gypsy was in better health than what Dede 1:08:35.000 --> 1:08:38.439 was claiming, and this resulted in two case workers going 1:08:38.439 --> 1:08:40.280 to visit their home, but d D convinced them that 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:42.320 there was nothing wrong and that she had changed all 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:44.800 the names and all the info to hide from her 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:47.680 abusive X so he wouldn't find them. And they bought it, 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:52.280 you know, And they also thought Gypsy did legit seem 1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:56.519 like she was mentally impaired. So Dede also doctored birth 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:59.479 certificates to make everybody think that Gypsy was still a teen, 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:04.280 including Gypsy. And at age ten, Gypsy started going getting 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:06.640 really into sci fi and fantasy and like going to 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:10.120 these conventions and stuff. So then fast forward to twenty eleven, 1:09:10.280 --> 1:09:13.479 she's twenty. She sneaks away from her mom at one 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:16.200 of these conventions to meet up with a guy that 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:18.719 I think she'd met on the internet, and she's found 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:22.320 with this guy in a hotel room. Deeede basically says 1:09:22.360 --> 1:09:26.360 to this guy, oh, she's fifteen, You're gonna be arrested 1:09:26.680 --> 1:09:30.000 even though she's really twenty and so he's done nothing wrong, 1:09:30.360 --> 1:09:32.599 but shows her this fake birth certificate convinced the guy 1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:36.000 he's committed a crime. After that, after she got busted 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:39.760 with that little escape attempt, Dede smashes Gypsy's computer with 1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:41.759 a hammer. I don't know if that's where the SVW 1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:47.040 episode of ham but Gypsy. Dede smashes Gypsy's computer with 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:49.639 a hammer and kept her leashed and handcuffed to her 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:53.760 bed for two weeks, and she told Gypsy this is 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:56.559 what's so so fucked up. She told Gypsy that she'd 1:09:56.600 --> 1:09:59.960 filed police paperwork claiming that Gypsy was mentally in comp 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:02.600 so that if Gypsy ever attempted to escape and go 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:05.360 to the police, no one would believe her. So it's 1:10:05.439 --> 1:10:10.479 essentially like almost like a conservatorship. Around twenty twelve, Gypsy 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:13.200 somehow continues to use the Internet even though her computer's 1:10:13.200 --> 1:10:15.680 been smashed. I think maybe she earns privileges and gets 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:17.479 the internet back. She goes on the Internet after her 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:21.240 mom goes to bed, and she makes contact on a 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:24.160 Christian dating site with a guy named Nicholas. Go to 1:10:24.240 --> 1:10:27.320 John and he is around her age and he's from 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:30.080 Big Ben, Wisconsin, and yeah, they meet in like a 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:32.920 Christian singles group and go to John had a criminal 1:10:32.920 --> 1:10:35.599 record for indecent exposure, and he did have a history 1:10:35.600 --> 1:10:39.040 of mental illness. He was some I guess it was 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:42.040 sometimes reported as having dissociated identity disorder, but he also 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:46.680 was a person with Asperger syndrome. And in twenty fourteen, 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:50.000 so at this time, Gypsy's probably around twenty three, but 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:54.360 you know, thinks she's younger. She arranges and pays for 1:10:54.439 --> 1:10:56.960 go to John to come and meet her mom in Springfield. 1:10:57.560 --> 1:10:58.839 They had never met in person. 1:10:59.640 --> 1:11:03.000 Somehow Gypsy and go to John meet in person for 1:11:03.040 --> 1:11:05.120 the first time and go have sex in a bathroom 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:08.400 because I guess d D's not around, And then the 1:11:08.400 --> 1:11:11.639 two of them continue their internet relationship and eventually begin 1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:15.160 hatching a plan to kill Dedie. So at this point, 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:19.040 Gypsy knows there's fake illnesses or just the other abuse 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:21.040 and being held captive that has got Yes, I. 1:11:21.080 --> 1:11:22.639 Think she's starting to get older. 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:24.960 She's kind of like I want to have some freedom, 1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:26.960 and like every time I try to go like meet 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:30.680 up with a guy, my mom smashes. 1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:32.080 My computer and handcuffs me to a bed, you know 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:32.439 what I mean. 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:35.879 Like, I think things are getting out like more punitive 1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:39.240 because she's getting older and probably harder to control. So 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:42.639 and talking to guys online, she tells them their situation 1:11:42.720 --> 1:11:44.639 and they're probably like that's not okay, like we got 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:47.240 to get you out of this or whatever. So in 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:50.400 June of twenty fifteen, go to John returns to Springfield. 1:11:50.960 --> 1:11:54.040 He waits until Dedie goes to sleep, and he's in 1:11:54.120 --> 1:11:57.839 the Blanchard house and Gypsy allowed him in and allegedly 1:11:57.880 --> 1:12:00.160 gave him duct tape, gloves and a knife with the 1:12:00.240 --> 1:12:03.320 understanding that he would use it to murder. Did Gypsy 1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:05.960 hid in the bathroom and apparently covered her ears so 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:08.720 she wouldn't hear her mom screaming and then go to 1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:12.080 John stabbed DEDI seventeen times in her back while she 1:12:12.160 --> 1:12:15.479 was asleep and Didi was forty four years old. 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:20.559 Well, she obviously inherited some of her mom's manipulation tactics 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:22.040 very much. 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:24.439 So I think you kind of get that idea while 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:28.600 watching the documentary and reading about this, because so what 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:31.080 happens is like what I read in one place was 1:12:31.080 --> 1:12:33.479 that after they kill her, they have sex in Gypsy's 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:36.080 room and then take four thousand dollars in cash that 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:40.320 Dide had been keeping in the house. What Gypsy says 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:42.760 in the documentary is that Goda John had wanted to 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:44.840 rape her mother, and she had made it a deal 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:47.360 with him, like you can reape me and just don't 1:12:47.439 --> 1:12:48.120 rape my mom. 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:51.280 And so I can't tell if the sex was consensual. 1:12:51.360 --> 1:12:53.200 She says in the documentary that it's not, but I 1:12:53.200 --> 1:12:57.479 think other people can't tell if she's lying because I'll 1:12:57.479 --> 1:12:59.840 get into more of what she talks about when she 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:00.960 is finally brought in. 1:13:01.400 --> 1:13:03.200 But like they flee to a. 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:05.400 Motel outside of Springfield, where they stayed for a few 1:13:05.479 --> 1:13:07.439 days planning their next move. They're seen on a lot 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:10.400 of security cameras. There's home video footage of them like 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:14.360 giggling in hotel rooms, like excited that they're gonna get 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:16.120 you know what I mean, Like that they're gonna that 1:13:16.120 --> 1:13:18.400 they're on the road and traveling and this and that. 1:13:18.640 --> 1:13:22.240 So there's not really from what you can glean from 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:23.720 the tapes. 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:25.280 There doesn't seem to be a lot of remorse from 1:13:25.280 --> 1:13:25.960 either party. 1:13:27.000 --> 1:13:30.000 So Gypsy said that at one point she believed that 1:13:30.040 --> 1:13:32.639 they had gotten away with it. They mailed the murder 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:35.360 weapon back to go to John's home in Wisconsin to 1:13:35.400 --> 1:13:37.920 avoid being caught with it in person, and then they 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:41.680 took a bus to uh to Wisconsin to where go 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:44.800 to John lived with his family. Several witnesses saw them 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:47.200 like on their way to the Greayhound station and saw 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:50.160 that Gypsy was wearing a blond wig and was walking 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:52.920 without a wheelchair or any kind of cane or walker 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:53.559 or anything. 1:13:53.840 --> 1:13:54.200 Wow. 1:13:54.320 --> 1:13:58.519 So what happened was at this point, no one has 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:02.320 discovered Dede's body yet, and so people are getting suspicious 1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:05.200 because there's a few weird Facebook status updates on a 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:08.280 Facebook account that d Dye and Gypsy share. One of 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:11.200 the posts said that bitch is dead, and then the 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:14.920 next one said, or a comment under that post said, 1:14:15.080 --> 1:14:17.400 I fucking slashed that fat peg and raped her sweet 1:14:17.400 --> 1:14:21.960 innocent daughter. Her scream was so fucking loud lol, kind 1:14:21.960 --> 1:14:24.639 of wild, obviously going to cause alarm, and Gypsy later 1:14:24.720 --> 1:14:27.160 explained that she wrote those posts because she wanted her 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:29.320 mother's body to be discovered, like she wanted to sort 1:14:29.360 --> 1:14:33.240 of signify that there was something awry. And so people 1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:36.639 got to the house, they discovered that Ded was murdered 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:38.800 in the bed and Gypsy's not there, and none of 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:41.880 her oxygen is gone, and like her wheelchairs there, so 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:44.479 they're kind of like, oh, no, someone's kidnapped Gypsy and 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:46.439 she's never going to survive without all her meds and 1:14:46.479 --> 1:14:48.519 her oxygen and all the things that she needs. This 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:50.479 is like what everybody thinks, because everyone in the whole 1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:53.719 community is like behind her and thinks that she's this ill. 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:56.599 They think she's this ill nineteen year old, but she's 1:14:56.600 --> 1:14:59.680 actually twenty four. So they trace those status updates to 1:14:59.680 --> 1:15:02.880 ask and that's where Gypsy and go to John surrendered 1:15:02.960 --> 1:15:07.360 and we're taken into custody. So when they bring her in, 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:10.840 there's footage in this documentary where Gypsy's acting like she 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:13.400 doesn't know that her mom is dead, like they tell 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:16.160 her and she's like wait what and like crime, It's 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:19.400 like not true, you know, like there's messaging between them 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:21.360 that kind of supports that she knew this was going 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:26.000 to happen. But essentially, after the word gets out that 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:30.960 Dedie had been fully munchausening her daughter for her entire life, 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:34.280 the sympathy really moves off of ded and onto Gypsy, 1:15:34.800 --> 1:15:37.280 And basically the prosecutor is like, I'm not seeking the 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:39.840 death penalty, even though Missouri's a death penalty state. They're like, 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:42.040 I'm not seeking the death penalty for either one of them, 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:46.320 and he calls the case quote extraordinary and unusual, and 1:15:46.640 --> 1:15:50.080 he basically offers Gypsy a plea deal of second degree murder, 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:52.680 and in July of twenty fifteen, she accepted the plea 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:55.720 deal and was sentenced to ten years in prison, So 1:15:55.760 --> 1:16:00.639 she is still in prison. She is do for parole 1:16:00.760 --> 1:16:05.360 in twenty twenty four, and she was so undernourished during 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:07.960 the year that she was in jail that she actually 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:10.800 gained fourteen pounds, whereas most people lose weight in jail, 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:13.839 she gained fourteen pounds and was sort of like starting 1:16:13.840 --> 1:16:17.160 to live like a normal, healthy person in prison and 1:16:17.240 --> 1:16:21.360 then go to John faced more severe charges because prosecutors 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:24.559 sort of thought that he initiated the murder plot, and 1:16:24.640 --> 1:16:26.880 both he and Gypsy agreed that he was the one 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:31.120 who actually did kill DTI, so her plea bargain agreement 1:16:31.160 --> 1:16:34.559 did not require her to testify against him. So in 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:40.040 January twenty seventeen, his trial was postponed when prosecutors requested 1:16:40.040 --> 1:16:44.519 a second psychiatric exam, and his lawyers contended he had 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:47.120 an intelligence quotion of eighty two and being on the 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:50.640 autism spectrum that it was suggesting that he had diminished capacity, 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:51.920 so that's. 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:52.559 A little confusing. 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:54.800 He initially waived his right to trial by jury, but 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:57.400 then changed his mind, so finally, in November of twenty eighteen, 1:16:57.439 --> 1:17:03.440 he has a trial. Prosecutors contended that he had deliberated 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:06.120 about committing this crime for over a year, so this 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:08.400 was not like a last minute crime of passion. This 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:12.559 was like a planned, planned, fully premeditated thing, and his 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:15.280 lawyers pointed to his autism and said that Gypsy had 1:17:15.280 --> 1:17:18.639 formulated the crime and that the love struck boy had 1:17:18.680 --> 1:17:19.880 just done what she asked. 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:21.920 And he in the dock. 1:17:22.000 --> 1:17:24.120 He's being interrogated and they're like, would you have ever 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:27.240 done this if Gypsy hadn't like asked you And he's like, no, never, 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:29.840 Like I never would have killed this woman if Gypsy 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:30.439 didn't tell me too. 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:31.559 I just did it because I love her. 1:17:32.280 --> 1:17:35.160 So I don't know how much manipulation, but like one 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:37.559 thing that somebody said in the documentary was like, to 1:17:37.640 --> 1:17:39.840 live with DD your whole life. There's no way that 1:17:39.880 --> 1:17:43.080 her manipulative tactics didn't sink into you somehow, you know, 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:46.200 Like that's how Dedie became, how she was. Her mother 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:49.200 was a master manipulator, you know. So it's sort of 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:51.559 like you do feel horrible for Gypsy, but you're like, 1:17:52.479 --> 1:17:54.320 I tend to believe that she had a little bit 1:17:54.320 --> 1:18:01.160 more awhaerewithal about the planning. Then she lets on the prosecutor, 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:03.759 showed jurors text messages. Some of them were like sexually 1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:06.040 explicit that Gypsy and go to John shared, like the 1:18:06.080 --> 1:18:09.040 week before the murder, and like pictures that involved the 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:11.559 knife that was used for the murder and some of 1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:15.000 the texts. He asked her for details about Dede's room 1:18:15.040 --> 1:18:19.360 and sleeping habits, and then also he confessed he confessed 1:18:19.360 --> 1:18:23.120 to killing her as well. So I guess even though 1:18:23.120 --> 1:18:24.919 her plea deals said that she didn't have to testify, 1:18:25.000 --> 1:18:27.599 she did testify in his trial on the third day. 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:32.120 Everything the information is is well and so. 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:34.439 She said that while she had suggested to go to 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:36.600 John that he killed Dede to end the abuse, she 1:18:36.600 --> 1:18:39.360 had also considered getting pregnant by him in the hope 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:42.040 that once she was carrying his child, Dedee would have 1:18:42.080 --> 1:18:44.559 to like accept him as her boyfriend and you know, 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:49.320 husband or whatever. So, along with the knife that she 1:18:49.439 --> 1:18:51.800 eventually gave to go to John, she stole baby clothes 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:53.960 from Walmart during a shopping trip so that she could 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:56.400 have both plans ready, like the pregnancy plan or the 1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:59.240 murder plan. So, after four days, the case went to 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:02.560 the jury and the jury had the option of convicting 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:06.400 god John on one of three murder charges in voluntary manslaughter, 1:19:06.520 --> 1:19:09.519 second degree murder, or first degree murder, and after two 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:12.679 hours of deliberation, they did find him guilty of first 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:17.160 DGREAE murder and armed criminal action. So in February twenty nineteen. 1:19:17.320 --> 1:19:20.280 He is sentenced to life in prison for the murder conviction, 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:23.040 and they did try to get go To John a 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:26.960 new trial, but the judge denied it, and they said 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:29.280 that the jury should not have been allowed to hear 1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:31.680 that Goda John had considered raping Deity on the night 1:19:31.680 --> 1:19:34.880 of the murder. He also argued that the state psychologists 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:36.960 should not have been allowed to testify, while go To 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:40.000 John's psychologists should have been allowed to testify to establish 1:19:40.000 --> 1:19:43.320 his diminished capacity, but the judge denied the motion, but 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:46.760 did concede that an appeals court could find the latter 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.800 point significant and considerate reversible error. So the judge denied 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:52.320 the motion but said I could see how this could 1:19:52.360 --> 1:19:56.840 be proven later or something. Didi's family in Louisiana this 1:19:56.960 --> 1:20:00.880 is wild, Like they're on the documentary basically saying that 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:04.040 they're not sad she's dead. Her father and her stepmother 1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:07.599 and her nephew, who all had been like suspicious about 1:20:07.680 --> 1:20:11.160 Gypsy's health situation, later said that they thought that Dedee 1:20:11.240 --> 1:20:13.320 kind of deserved what happened to her, and that Gypsy 1:20:13.320 --> 1:20:15.080 had been punished as much as she should be, and 1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:18.160 that they should she should be released, and none of 1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:20.720 them would pay for Dede's funeral and even pick up 1:20:20.760 --> 1:20:23.240 her ashes. Her father and stepmother were given the ashes 1:20:23.280 --> 1:20:27.240 and they flushed them down the toilet. So no love 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:31.599 lost over Dede Blanchard's death with her family. Rod Blanchard, 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:35.360 Gypsy's father, basically is like, I think Dede's problem was 1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:37.160 she started a web of lies and there was no 1:20:37.320 --> 1:20:40.880 escaping after. That's what he told BuzzFeed in this article, 1:20:40.960 --> 1:20:44.000 this long article in BuzzFeed written by this woman named 1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:47.800 Michelle Dean. That is what the act is based on 1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:50.000 the BuzzFeed article. The Hulu show is based off the 1:20:50.040 --> 1:20:52.880 BuzzFeed article. So he told her it was like a 1:20:52.920 --> 1:20:55.840 tornado that got started. He was really happy the first 1:20:55.880 --> 1:20:58.160 time he saw video of Gypsy walking under her own power, 1:20:58.320 --> 1:21:01.280 and he's all over the document, like visiting her with 1:21:01.360 --> 1:21:04.960 his stepmom, and he sort of beats himself up about 1:21:05.000 --> 1:21:08.320 not doing more but kind of not enough. But I 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:10.600 you know, I think he just thought. He was like, 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:13.799 I'm a guy in my twenties, I got this girl pregnant, 1:21:13.840 --> 1:21:15.920 the mom doesn't really want me around. I'll send money, 1:21:15.960 --> 1:21:17.599 I'll do what I can, But you know, he didn't 1:21:17.640 --> 1:21:19.639 really know to the extent I think of how bad 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:24.839 the mom was psychologically and physically torturing the daughter. Gypsy 1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:29.240 told twenty twenty the television show in twenty eighteen, quote, 1:21:29.320 --> 1:21:32.000 I feel like I'm more free in prison than living 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:34.240 with my mom, because now I'm allowed to just live 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:38.240 like a normal woman. So the BuzzFeed article came out 1:21:38.280 --> 1:21:40.360 in twenty sixteen, and then the Hulu series came out, 1:21:40.400 --> 1:21:42.559 I believe like last year or the year before, And 1:21:42.600 --> 1:21:45.439 in twenty nineteen, Gypsy actually said that she was upset 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:47.880 about the act. She said she wasn't allowed to see 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:50.400 the show in prison. Obviously they don't have Hulu in prison. 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:52.920 But she's like, I feel it is very unfair and 1:21:53.000 --> 1:21:56.040 unprofessional that producers and co producer Michelle Dean has used 1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:58.840 my actual name and story without my consent and the 1:21:58.880 --> 1:22:00.520 life rights to do so. 1:22:00.000 --> 1:22:02.040 So that is pretty fucked up. I wonder if she 1:22:02.120 --> 1:22:02.599 can sue. 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:05.599 But they also must have known that they couldn't use 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:08.080 life rights without them being signed away, Like Hulu's not stupid, 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:10.400 So I don't really get what what happened. They are, 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:13.800 apparently as a family, pissed at this woman who wrote 1:22:13.800 --> 1:22:18.560 the article, Gypsy's stepmother, Christy, stated that Dean had promised 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:20.840 them the whole time, we're gonna split. 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:21.519 This fifty to fifty. 1:22:21.560 --> 1:22:23.760 Whatever we make, we're cutting you guys in. You can 1:22:23.760 --> 1:22:25.880 put it aside for Gypsy when she gets out of jail, 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:29.599 and like they weren't even expecting that, and then like 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:31.800 that's what she offered, but then never made good on it. 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:37.360 And then to wrap up this story, in twenty nineteen, 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:39.439 it was announced that Gypsy is engaged to a guy 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:43.040 that she's been penpallling with. Her fiance first wrote to 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:45.919 her after watching the HBO documentary Mommy Dead and Dearest, 1:22:46.320 --> 1:22:49.960 and they are engaged. She will not she doesn't reveal 1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:51.720 any details about him, like his name or who he 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:52.320 is or anything. 1:22:52.360 --> 1:22:56.160 But I wonder what her life's gonna be like, Well, 1:22:56.479 --> 1:22:57.880 people are very obsessed. 1:22:58.000 --> 1:22:59.719 People are very obsessed with this case. 1:22:59.840 --> 1:23:03.639 And I think that, I mean, she'll probably write a book, 1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:06.439 she'll probably be on the talk show circuit, you know, Like, 1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:10.080 I'm sure she's going to get some attention if she 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:13.479 wants it, and some way to make income. I don't know, 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:17.360 but it is fucked up that she isn't getting any 1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:18.200 money from the act. 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:20.679 Yeah, maybe it's a prison thing and she will later 1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:21.360 or something. 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:21.920 I don't know. 1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:24.679 Yeah, yeah, you're not allowed to profit from your crimes, 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:26.120 I guess, which is the thing that happened with the 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:27.040 Ted Bundy trial. 1:23:27.320 --> 1:23:28.360 But it's not her crime. 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:31.040 She didn't comit the murder, so I don't know she 1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:34.280 did come conspiracy maybe, I don't know, but she's if 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:37.000 you're interested, Mommy dead and Darras is on HBO Max 1:23:37.240 --> 1:23:39.559 or HBO Go or now or whatever you have. 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:41.320 And it's really. 1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:44.920 I was really wrapped by it when I first saw 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:48.280 it on an airplane because Gypsy is in it. I 1:23:48.280 --> 1:23:51.519 think it's like twenty seventeen footage of her, So she's, 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:57.479 you know, in her twenties, and she's kind of really lucid, 1:23:57.640 --> 1:23:59.840 just talking about everything that happened and everything your mom 1:23:59.880 --> 1:24:01.760 do her, and she's like kind of laughing a little 1:24:01.760 --> 1:24:06.280 bit about stuff, and it's a little it's wild, and yeah, 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:08.360 you do wonder what's gonna happen, what her life's gonna 1:24:08.360 --> 1:24:09.200 look like outside. 1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:10.880 But yeah, and I also was thinking that with the 1:24:10.960 --> 1:24:13.240 jail thing, where it's like, yeah, jail's better than having 1:24:13.320 --> 1:24:18.400 someone pump pills medicines hospitals. IV's in, you hit, you 1:24:18.800 --> 1:24:23.720 tie up, and maybe it's the nice in between. She 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:25.920 might need to then be like. 1:24:26.040 --> 1:24:28.360 Yeah, I mean you have some autonomy in jail. She's 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:33.520 probably learning, yeah, like how to yeah, live, feed yourself. 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:34.599 Make your own bed, you know. Yeah. 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:37.759 I just wish it was a more straightforward self defense murder. 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:39.080 So no one had to be in jail. 1:24:39.280 --> 1:24:42.240 But if your own parents are flushing your ashes down 1:24:42.280 --> 1:24:44.000 the toilet, it's bad. 1:24:44.240 --> 1:24:45.439 Yeah. 1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:47.080 They don't have a lot of kind words to say 1:24:47.080 --> 1:24:50.360 about her, her dad and her stepmom, and her mom 1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:51.479 doesn't have any. 1:24:51.280 --> 1:24:54.160 Words to say because she may bee. So who knows? 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:56.479 And how did the town of Springfield, Missouri. 1:24:56.520 --> 1:24:59.799 I want to text our friend and get some scoop 1:24:59.840 --> 1:25:02.000 on and how everyone kind of handled. 1:25:02.720 --> 1:25:03.519 I mean, I'm. 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:05.759 Sure, like the rest of the country, they were pretty horrified, 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:07.840 but probably even more so because they sort of propped 1:25:07.920 --> 1:25:11.639 these people up for years, and you know, their hearts 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:13.160 were in the right places. They thought she was a 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:16.240 sick girl, you know, like they probably felt extra doomed. 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:19.759 But not mad at her, hopefully, just mad at dede. 1:25:19.880 --> 1:25:23.120 Uh No, I don't think so. I don't think anybody 1:25:23.120 --> 1:25:25.040 thought that she. 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:26.400 She also never went to school, because that's another thing 1:25:26.439 --> 1:25:30.600 we talk about, like the everlasting effects of abuse like this, 1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:34.560 Like she never got to go to school, so who knows, yeah, 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:35.439 how much she knows. 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:37.920 Like there was something in my research. 1:25:37.960 --> 1:25:39.840 I don't remember where I got it, but like something 1:25:39.920 --> 1:25:42.320 was like yeah, she was like I couldn't just like 1:25:42.360 --> 1:25:44.360 stand up out of my wheelchair and be like help, 1:25:44.439 --> 1:25:46.519 this is all a hoax, Like my mom is doing 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:49.760 this because she had already established everyone that she had 1:25:49.800 --> 1:25:53.519 diminished mental capacity, that she was like, for lack of 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:56.000 a better word, slow, that's the word Gypsy used. She's like, 1:25:56.040 --> 1:26:00.240 everybody thought I was slow, and DiDia told Gypsy, pops, 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:02.760 think you're mentally incompetence, so don't even try to do 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:05.479 something like that. So of course she never, you know, 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:11.280 tried to really make a plea for understanding from anyone, 1:26:11.320 --> 1:26:11.479 you know. 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:13.920 So I wonder if she's still pen pals with the 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:17.080 guy spending life in prison that's the person. But he 1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:19.160 killed her, I mean he killed her. He went and 1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:21.080 stabbed her in the backs. Yeah, and oh my god. 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:24.320 The documentary Just Heads Up for People has very very 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:25.960 graphic photographs of the stabbing. 1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:27.240 It's like very very. 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:29.599 But also with Gypsy, it's like, do you really want 1:26:29.600 --> 1:26:31.559 to be engaged? Don't you want to play the field? 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:36.320 I don't know. A girl, the Little Mermaid doesn't really 1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:37.000 play the field. 1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:40.240 She literally meets the first fucking guy that she the 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:42.800 first man she sees, like a human man she sees. 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:44.679 She's like, that's the guy I'm gonna fuck. I'm gonna 1:26:44.680 --> 1:26:46.880 give up my voice and get and my whole family 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:47.679 and get that guy. 1:26:47.840 --> 1:26:51.240 Good. All right, Well, we have an incredible guest, Kara, amazing, 1:26:51.600 --> 1:26:54.040 amazing job, and. 1:26:54.200 --> 1:27:02.720 Let's get this party started. Let's do it. 1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:09.880 Okay, guys, our guest today is a talented actress of 1:27:09.920 --> 1:27:12.840 the stage and screen. You've seen her in the Perks 1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:16.519 of Being a Wallflower the nick. Currently, she is performing 1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:19.799 in Aaron Sorkin's adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird on Broadway, 1:27:20.080 --> 1:27:23.599 but you guys knew her this week as maryel McLaughlin. Guys, 1:27:23.800 --> 1:27:25.879 check out our chat with Aaron Willhelmy. 1:27:26.600 --> 1:27:30.320 An incredible performance, such a good episode. 1:27:30.560 --> 1:27:32.720 We are thrilled to be talking to you. 1:27:32.720 --> 1:27:35.400 You know, it was exactly four years ago this week 1:27:35.560 --> 1:27:36.240 that we shot it. 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:40.280 Wow, oh wow, fall in New York. That was beautiful 1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:43.080 are you in New York right now? I am yes, 1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:47.960 so because are you currently on Broadway doing to Kill 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:48.640 a Mockingbird? 1:27:49.080 --> 1:27:51.160 I am so exciting? 1:27:51.640 --> 1:27:55.200 Wow, fun, nice to be back. 1:27:55.439 --> 1:27:58.400 You know, did you start the run before the pandemic 1:27:58.439 --> 1:28:00.960 and pick it back up or is this a new production? 1:28:01.479 --> 1:28:05.799 Actually? Yeah, I started it when it opened in twenty eighteen, 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.120 did it for a year, and then I had left, 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:12.280 and then Ed Harris took over with a group, and 1:28:12.320 --> 1:28:17.120 then the pandemic hit and so now a handful of 1:28:17.200 --> 1:28:19.439 the original cast have come back and we're all doing 1:28:19.520 --> 1:28:22.040 it at least for a couple of months. So it's 1:28:22.080 --> 1:28:23.519 been really fun to be back there. 1:28:24.080 --> 1:28:24.960 That's so great. 1:28:25.640 --> 1:28:29.120 But let's get into your SVU. How did this part 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:30.240 like come about? 1:28:30.280 --> 1:28:34.280 Like did you audition? Like did you did you know 1:28:34.320 --> 1:28:35.280 the show before. 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:35.559 You were on it? 1:28:35.600 --> 1:28:36.400 Tell us everything. 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:39.960 I had auditioned for the show several times and hadn't 1:28:40.240 --> 1:28:43.439 ever booked anything on it, and so this part came 1:28:43.520 --> 1:28:47.320 in and I think the the email said the audition 1:28:47.560 --> 1:28:51.000 description said like wear no makeup and look as sick 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:54.080 as possible, and I was like, I might. 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:54.720 Be able to get this. 1:28:55.680 --> 1:28:58.840 I can just walk in there like a miss. And 1:28:59.600 --> 1:29:02.360 then any Oh, yeah, it was like and look really young. 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:04.800 I think they wanted some realized it was just nice 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:06.080 to not have to prepare it all. I didn't have 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:08.120 to put anything on my face and then walk in and. 1:29:09.720 --> 1:29:10.200 Wow. 1:29:10.680 --> 1:29:12.800 And so I finally got to be a part of 1:29:12.840 --> 1:29:17.080 the show, which I was so excited about. And of 1:29:17.120 --> 1:29:19.479 course this particular character too. It was fun to play. 1:29:19.560 --> 1:29:22.240 Yeah, you got the two big New York acting stamps 1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:25.439 of approval. You have SVU and Broadway, so that's all 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:26.040 that matters. 1:29:28.200 --> 1:29:31.000 Someone said, you're not like an official New Yorker until 1:29:31.000 --> 1:29:34.000 you've been on SCU. So I was like, I gotta 1:29:34.040 --> 1:29:34.719 get that show. 1:29:36.080 --> 1:29:38.320 And then while you were on set, what did hair 1:29:38.320 --> 1:29:40.000 and makeup do to make you look as sick as 1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:40.320 you did? 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:43.519 Look? Oh my gosh, it was a lot of bagging 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:47.760 bags under my eyes. I looked terrible. I think they 1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:49.719 would take the color out of my lips. 1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:53.200 Yeah, your lips are like totally like it's not even 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:56.200 just a nude lip, it's like a full there's no color. 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:58.519 Right, It was pretty gross in a great job. 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:03.320 Yeah, we are always complimenting here and makeup and wardrobe 1:30:03.320 --> 1:30:03.880 on that show. 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:04.400 We love it. 1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:09.160 How was that seizure scene that you did that was 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:10.720 like really intense. 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:12.479 You had so many intense scenes. 1:30:12.520 --> 1:30:14.240 I mean, you have a flip out of the stand, 1:30:14.560 --> 1:30:16.400 you have your mom trying to rip an IV out 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:19.120 of your arm, and you are seizing in the precinct. 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:21.280 It's like what a role. 1:30:22.040 --> 1:30:26.200 Yes, yeah, that the seizure scene. I think the camera 1:30:26.400 --> 1:30:29.160 was like on a crane and it was like kind 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:32.000 of zooming in towards me. So I was so worried 1:30:32.040 --> 1:30:36.240 that I was gonna like seize and hit it. You know. 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:39.600 It was fun though. I just had a blast. I 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:43.320 think Mursco was so kind to me. That was the 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:46.320 first day I met her was during the seizure scene, 1:30:46.520 --> 1:30:51.360 and she was very complimentary and everything. And then maybe 1:30:51.360 --> 1:30:54.080 ten minutes after meeting me, she came over and was like, 1:30:54.479 --> 1:30:57.760 I thought you were, like, you know, a kid, Like 1:30:57.880 --> 1:31:00.120 she found that we found out my real age. And 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:02.720 then she came back and I was like, so, you know, 1:31:02.960 --> 1:31:06.040 does the compliments is that contingent on me being a 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:10.559 child like or does it still count? Like yeah, but 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:11.679 she was just so nice. 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:12.000 Yeah. 1:31:12.080 --> 1:31:13.760 Imagine she was like, I was only being nice to 1:31:13.800 --> 1:31:15.360 you because you were I thought you were a kid, right, 1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:15.839 I thought. 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:17.920 You were a teenager, so all those things I said 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:19.080 take got away. Yeah. 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:22.840 Did you practice like seizing in the hotel or at 1:31:22.840 --> 1:31:24.840 your house like or did you. 1:31:24.800 --> 1:31:26.439 Just come to set fresh seizure? 1:31:28.000 --> 1:31:32.200 I watched some videos of seizures, but I don't think 1:31:32.240 --> 1:31:35.639 I really practiced. I think I just sort of let 1:31:35.640 --> 1:31:37.920 it happen. But I do remember watching videos, and then 1:31:37.920 --> 1:31:41.639 I think JOHNO, the director specifically, either he either sent 1:31:41.680 --> 1:31:43.800 a video or he told me about the way he 1:31:43.840 --> 1:31:44.559 wanted it to look. 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:46.400 Yeah. 1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:50.120 Well, speaking of like doing research before your role, did 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:52.479 you know the story of d D and Gypsy Rose 1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:54.720 like Blanchard before you saw that? 1:31:55.200 --> 1:31:57.200 Knew this episode? Or do you know the story now? 1:31:57.320 --> 1:31:59.800 Or like I didn't know the story? I don't think. 1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:02.280 But then they told us to watch Mommy, Dad and Dearest. 1:32:02.439 --> 1:32:04.320 Did so you watch that doc before you shot? 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:06.800 Yes, actually watched it before I even auditioned. They sent 1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:09.960 a link to watch it before the audition. 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:12.040 So wow, so there's no way we were wrong about 1:32:12.040 --> 1:32:13.679 this one. Okay they sent the link. 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:16.360 Yeah, they said the link. It's based on her. 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:21.200 Did you draw your character from the documentary? 1:32:22.120 --> 1:32:24.360 I mean yes and no, because they you know the 1:32:25.160 --> 1:32:28.960 what I love is that they don't well first of all, 1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:31.920 that you know, the boyfriend doesn't do the killing, which 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:34.880 is what happens in real life. So and then also 1:32:34.920 --> 1:32:38.439 I love that they gave her a different sentence Gypsy 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:43.880 Rose is I believe still behind bars. Yeah, and my 1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:47.000 character just got I think community service. 1:32:46.720 --> 1:32:49.519 And yeah, three years of probation. Yeah. 1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:52.599 So it's sort of neat that they commented on that 1:32:52.760 --> 1:32:56.920 as well, like, yeah, maybe that's an unfair sentence considering 1:32:58.000 --> 1:32:58.960 which she actually did. 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:01.800 We're on her side, I know, I am too. 1:33:01.840 --> 1:33:03.479 I feel so bad for her. And then I was 1:33:03.520 --> 1:33:06.120 watching like I think a doctor Phil interview with her 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:09.200 in it afterwards, just yeah, my heart breaks for her. 1:33:09.640 --> 1:33:12.160 Yeah, but you know, like she'll be out in a 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:14.719 few years and she'll still be relatively young, so hopefully, 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:16.800 you know, it's not like a full like hopefully she'll 1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:17.400 have a chance. 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.320 To live like a normal person for a little while. 1:33:20.040 --> 1:33:20.240 You had. 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:23.400 This was one of those episodes where like it's really 1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:26.320 Rollins heavy, Like Rollins takes a real interest in you. 1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:29.440 How did you like working with Kelly Giddish? 1:33:29.520 --> 1:33:32.439 I love her and I actually went to the same 1:33:32.520 --> 1:33:35.840 undergraduate program as she did. Oh cool, So I was 1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:38.120 really excited to get to finally meet her because I've 1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:40.280 heard about her, Like when I was at school, I 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:43.479 knew about her. She was had moved on to such 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:48.040 success and so we could you know, bond over the 1:33:48.080 --> 1:33:52.479 fact that we had the same professors and everything that university. Yeah, 1:33:52.479 --> 1:33:56.000 it was fun and she's just Yeah, she was really 1:33:56.040 --> 1:34:00.200 supportive during that whole that whole process, and her dog 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:01.680 is always there, which is really nice too. 1:34:02.720 --> 1:34:04.920 That was my follow up question actually was did you 1:34:04.960 --> 1:34:05.639 meet the dogs? 1:34:06.120 --> 1:34:10.799 I knew Lisa was gonna ask that the good dogs? Yeah, 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:13.120 and then are another cast member. 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:15.760 Our listeners love Barba and you got to sort of 1:34:15.760 --> 1:34:18.240 have a little sparring thing. We have a very horny 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:22.439 listenership for Barbara. And I think you sing also, and 1:34:22.520 --> 1:34:24.920 he sings, did you guys do any you know? We 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:26.640 had another guest that told us they were sort of 1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:29.280 doing a little La Miz singing off camera like when 1:34:29.320 --> 1:34:30.719 the in between takes. 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:33.639 I wish I would have loved to have some time 1:34:33.720 --> 1:34:36.400 singing with him, but you know, he was amazing, especially 1:34:36.800 --> 1:34:41.040 during that scene where he's questioning her and and I 1:34:41.080 --> 1:34:43.080 think I started to talk. I start to talk about 1:34:43.520 --> 1:34:47.519 little little mermaid and Ariel and and I'm I'm not 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:49.760 a mermaid, And at one point I was like, I 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:52.120 am I am Ariel or something. He goes and your 1:34:52.120 --> 1:34:58.360 mother's a big fat octopus. I completely broke and like 1:34:58.479 --> 1:35:00.439 and of course so did everybody in the room. It 1:35:00.520 --> 1:35:03.640 was so funny. It was nice that he did that 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:05.920 and made the moment a little lighter. 1:35:06.400 --> 1:35:08.519 Well, and I mentioned this scene before, but obviously the 1:35:08.640 --> 1:35:11.559 ripping of the IV was pretty wild. Did you guys 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:14.559 practice that a lot or was it just a free 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:16.000 for all to your arm or. 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:16.320 What was that? 1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:19.000 I think the biggest thing that we practiced was we 1:35:19.000 --> 1:35:21.240 weren't sure how to say the last couple of lines. 1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:24.880 We didn't know how to deliver those. It's the lines 1:35:24.880 --> 1:35:27.120 are All I ever wanted was to be normal, and 1:35:27.160 --> 1:35:30.280 now I never will. And I think maybe we did 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:32.639 a couple of takes where she yells it at her 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:37.160 mother as her mom's being pulled away, and then I 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:40.840 think the tick they used was actually more internal, which 1:35:40.880 --> 1:35:45.639 I really liked. That was also Johnah's idea, because it's 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:48.920 the next scene that she kills her mother, so it's like, 1:35:49.000 --> 1:35:51.840 oh my god, I'm never going to be normal because 1:35:51.880 --> 1:35:54.000 this woman will do anything to keep me sick. 1:35:55.200 --> 1:35:58.240 And then your next project we saw is Gilded Age 1:35:58.600 --> 1:35:59.759 on HBO. 1:36:00.280 --> 1:36:02.080 But you want to like fill us in on that. 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:02.799 We're excited. 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:08.400 Sure, it's Jillian Fellows. It's cool. If you know Downton Abbey, 1:36:08.439 --> 1:36:11.280 it's sort of down to nabby vibe, but forty years 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:14.599 earlier and in New York City, so it's like eighteen 1:36:14.640 --> 1:36:19.240 eighty two old money versus new money during the Gilded Age. 1:36:19.800 --> 1:36:24.320 I'm in the downstairs of the house, Okay, I'm among 1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:27.960 the servants of the household. And it was so much 1:36:28.000 --> 1:36:28.719 fun to shoot. 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:30.479 Where did you guys shoot that? 1:36:31.160 --> 1:36:36.760 Newport? Rhode Island? Oh beautiful, but Newport has those big mansions. 1:36:37.120 --> 1:36:38.760 Yes, the breakers. 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:42.280 Oh Swift comes to mind when I think of, Yeah, 1:36:42.439 --> 1:36:43.000 Rhode Island. 1:36:43.160 --> 1:36:46.920 I've been very drunk a lot in Newport. But that's 1:36:47.080 --> 1:36:49.760 really really fun. I can't wait. I mean, I'm a 1:36:49.840 --> 1:36:52.360 huge down to Abbey fan, so I'm really I'm really excited. 1:36:52.520 --> 1:36:54.479 And yeah, and you were were you one of the 1:36:54.520 --> 1:36:56.639 I saw that you were in a Doll's House part too. 1:36:56.680 --> 1:36:58.400 I think I saw it like the year after you 1:36:58.439 --> 1:37:01.280 were in it. I saw LORI metcalf and It was 1:37:01.280 --> 1:37:03.040 like one of my favorite things I ever saw. I 1:37:03.080 --> 1:37:05.000 loved it so much, And that's so cool that you 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:05.479 were in it. 1:37:05.880 --> 1:37:08.080 That was one of my favorite experiences in the theater 1:37:08.600 --> 1:37:10.960 to this day. Like it was. That was an incredible 1:37:11.120 --> 1:37:12.160 show to be a part of. 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:13.920 It was such a cool show. 1:37:14.360 --> 1:37:16.960 And then with this To Kill a mocking Bird, did 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:19.439 you get to work with Aaron Sorkin like directly at all? 1:37:19.560 --> 1:37:20.479 Or Yeah? 1:37:20.520 --> 1:37:23.280 He was actually there. I mean we've workshopped the play 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:28.000 for almost a year before we opened the previews, so 1:37:28.040 --> 1:37:30.439 he was there during all the workshops and he would 1:37:30.520 --> 1:37:34.840 come in with rewrites, we could ask questions. He really 1:37:35.640 --> 1:37:39.559 the particular testimony that I have. He worked on that 1:37:39.600 --> 1:37:43.840 scene so much and it changed dramatically from like the 1:37:43.880 --> 1:37:46.080 first time I read it to what we ended up 1:37:46.080 --> 1:37:48.040 doing on stage, and it was so fun to be 1:37:48.080 --> 1:37:50.120 a part of that and to watch his process. He 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:52.800 is just a genius as you know. 1:37:53.000 --> 1:37:58.720 Wow, yeah talks, Yeah, the King of walking talks. How 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:00.920 does it feel being back on stage these last few 1:38:00.920 --> 1:38:03.880 weeks like post pandemic? Is it like the same as ever? 1:38:04.080 --> 1:38:05.880 Is it like a different vibe? How does it feel? 1:38:06.479 --> 1:38:09.800 It? Strangely feels like we never left it, but in 1:38:09.840 --> 1:38:11.840 a good way. I mean, the audiences have been so 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:15.439 warm and giving. I feel like they're ready to laugh, 1:38:15.560 --> 1:38:18.599 they're ready to cry. They're right there with you. Probably 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:22.439 because we haven't we haven't seen anything in almost two years. 1:38:22.479 --> 1:38:23.760 A lot of people are like, this is my first 1:38:23.800 --> 1:38:26.600 show back, this is my first Yeah, okay, and so 1:38:26.680 --> 1:38:30.240 there's definitely a special energy happening. But I was worried 1:38:30.240 --> 1:38:33.439 that looking out to the audience and seeing masks people 1:38:33.479 --> 1:38:38.560 would be really strange, but it actually it's okay. Everybody's 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:41.680 giving in other ways, Like we can't see their smiles, 1:38:41.800 --> 1:38:44.040 we can't see their emotion on their face, but we 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:45.400 can feel it and we can hear it. 1:38:45.439 --> 1:38:48.080 I guess I didn't realize because we're comedians, and a 1:38:48.080 --> 1:38:50.559 lot of clubs because there's food and drinking, will you 1:38:50.600 --> 1:38:52.840 will let people take their masks off. But like for theater, 1:38:52.880 --> 1:38:55.320 they're probably making everybody wear masks, right they are. 1:38:55.560 --> 1:38:58.040 Yeah. I think they do sell some drinks, so you 1:38:58.120 --> 1:38:59.880 can take it down to take a sip, but your 1:39:00.240 --> 1:39:02.240 they put it right back up and they're pretty strict 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:05.479 about it. And I think if you don't, they get 1:39:05.560 --> 1:39:08.040 you out. So it's very right now. 1:39:08.400 --> 1:39:11.920 No, the theater ushers are very strict. They're really on 1:39:12.000 --> 1:39:12.719 top of their shit. 1:39:14.120 --> 1:39:15.800 They're like, we're not losing our jobs again. 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:16.320 Yeah. 1:39:16.640 --> 1:39:16.960 I know. 1:39:18.360 --> 1:39:21.120 They're like, we've been waiting to reprimand people for eighteen months. 1:39:21.200 --> 1:39:23.920 We are back at training. But I feel like I 1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:25.400 interrupted you. What were you going to say? 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:27.280 Oh, I was just gonna tell you that the woman 1:39:27.320 --> 1:39:30.120 who does my wig every night and to Kill Mockingbird 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:34.000 is huge fan of yours and told me all about 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:36.760 how she listens to your podcast all the time, and 1:39:36.800 --> 1:39:39.600 she's Luke's really excited that I'm going to be a 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:39.960 part of it. 1:39:40.040 --> 1:39:42.120 Oh my gosh, what's her name? Yeah, shout her out. 1:39:42.680 --> 1:39:43.680 Christine Hutchinson. 1:39:44.680 --> 1:39:48.759 Christine Hutchinson, thank you for listening. We love a good wig. 1:39:48.920 --> 1:39:49.720 That's amazing. 1:39:50.120 --> 1:39:52.320 We do love a good wig. We do. 1:39:53.680 --> 1:39:56.360 Any last minute like little tidbits from SVU that you remember, 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:58.240 or like any little stories that you wanted to tell 1:39:58.280 --> 1:40:00.559 before we let you go, Well. 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:03.280 I can just say that every time I go home 1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:05.559 now my mom makes a joke about hiding the hammers. 1:40:08.479 --> 1:40:09.000 I love that. 1:40:09.280 --> 1:40:10.639 I mean hear any tools. 1:40:16.439 --> 1:40:19.360 Wow, that was great. Thank you, Aaron, We love you. 1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:23.479 Yeah, go see her I mean, she's gonna be, I think, 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:26.360 a next hot thing, and I'm excited for the Gilded Age. 1:40:26.400 --> 1:40:27.360 I'm gonna watch that. You know. 1:40:27.439 --> 1:40:29.559 I'm a downt n Abbey girl, like I loved down 1:40:29.560 --> 1:40:31.320 to Nabby So I think my and when I showed 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:34.679 my husband, he was like, I'm in like, we're doing 1:40:34.720 --> 1:40:35.280 Gilded Age. 1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:38.559 Wow, you're gonna you're gonna veer off your CBS thing. 1:40:38.640 --> 1:40:40.519 Oh what you mean, evil? It's on a break. 1:40:40.560 --> 1:40:43.559 It's on a break well because I remember taking maybe 1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:46.080 was it advertising in college. I don't know, but you 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:49.920 learn that like the different markets and CBS markets towards 1:40:50.000 --> 1:40:53.000 rich people over forty, and you are now the perfect 1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:53.920 CBS person. 1:40:54.600 --> 1:40:54.680 No. 1:40:54.960 --> 1:40:57.600 CBS, though, is like old people in the middle of 1:40:57.640 --> 1:40:58.240 the country. 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:00.720 That's why they have like Mom and Big Bang and 1:41:00.760 --> 1:41:03.080 all that. No, like the Good Wife, all of those 1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:05.080 those are hot. Those are people that have money. 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:10.200 Those are people I spend money, good liquor evil. These 1:41:10.200 --> 1:41:15.960 are for people who have Oh okay, it's oh. 1:41:16.000 --> 1:41:18.080 I didn't realize I was trying to buy you Bosh 1:41:18.160 --> 1:41:22.920 merchandise for Christmas. You don't have to do that. There's 1:41:22.960 --> 1:41:25.439 not good stuff. That's why I'm telling you and revealing it. 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:27.760 I was on I was searching for Bosh. 1:41:27.479 --> 1:41:28.360 For Oh my God. 1:41:29.760 --> 1:41:32.920 To do though, is like the house Bosh lives in 1:41:32.920 --> 1:41:35.920 in the show Bosh is so fucking amazing. It overlooks 1:41:35.960 --> 1:41:39.080 the entire city of la because the premise is that 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:42.160 he sold his life rights to a movie company or something, 1:41:42.160 --> 1:41:44.040 and that's how he can afford as a cop this 1:41:44.160 --> 1:41:48.120 fucking ridiculous glass house up on a on a cliff. 1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:50.360 I would love to go to see it one day, 1:41:50.479 --> 1:41:52.320 but we'll see it if that's possible. 1:41:52.680 --> 1:41:54.639 Anyway, maybe we can rent it or something. 1:41:57.000 --> 1:41:57.200 Well. 1:41:57.479 --> 1:41:59.400 Speaking of owning, I don't know if people know this, 1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:06.000 but like the WWE owns John Cena's name, they own him. Yeah, 1:42:06.000 --> 1:42:09.720 so like they own your character and your likeness and everything. 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:11.680 So if you don't change it or he used his 1:42:11.760 --> 1:42:14.320 real name or whatnot, so they own it. Like they 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:16.120 make money off of him, and he's fine with it. 1:42:16.160 --> 1:42:17.640 He's like, I wouldn't have anything without them, so I 1:42:17.680 --> 1:42:18.080 don't care. 1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:20.760 But like Daniel does, he have to ask them every 1:42:20.800 --> 1:42:22.120 time he's in a movie or something. 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:24.000 I think he's at a point where they're just happy 1:42:24.080 --> 1:42:26.840 making money for him, Like they're fine with anything he does. 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:31.439 But yeah, but like cause there's a guy. 1:42:31.320 --> 1:42:33.599 Daniel Bryant was his name in the WWE, and now 1:42:33.640 --> 1:42:37.479 in the new League he's Brian Danielson. Oh and that's 1:42:37.479 --> 1:42:39.840 actually his real name. But like, because you can't like 1:42:39.880 --> 1:42:41.080 if they own you, they own you. 1:42:41.439 --> 1:42:41.719 Yeah. 1:42:41.800 --> 1:42:45.000 Interesting, right, Okay, Well let's own our post mortem and 1:42:45.000 --> 1:42:48.840 get into our are a little bit of you know. 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:52.000 What did I learn reviewing? They're sick? The world is sick. 1:42:52.080 --> 1:42:54.240 People are sick. Everybody's sick. 1:42:55.000 --> 1:42:58.040 I guess it's just like, yeah, like just because someone's 1:42:58.080 --> 1:43:00.679 a mom doesn't mean they're trustworthy. You know, I will 1:43:01.040 --> 1:43:03.080 steal your wallet if you leave it on the table, 1:43:03.120 --> 1:43:04.960 you know, like I am a bad Perton. 1:43:05.000 --> 1:43:05.559 I'm just kidding. 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:07.280 But well, because what do we learn? What do we 1:43:07.400 --> 1:43:10.120 every time you see a sick kid? Investigate the mother? No, 1:43:10.280 --> 1:43:11.720 I don't know, it's like what do you do? 1:43:12.600 --> 1:43:15.680 But I would hope that doctors would be like a 1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:18.680 little bit after hearing about some of these more like 1:43:19.560 --> 1:43:24.280 high profile Munchausen's cases, that doctors that would have a 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:27.360 little bit more of like a just a hunch or 1:43:27.479 --> 1:43:32.040 like an instinct that this lady's not a reliable narrator, 1:43:32.120 --> 1:43:34.240 This lady's not telling us the truth. You know, she's 1:43:34.320 --> 1:43:38.560 leaving out some large chunks, you know. Yeah, it's just disappointing. 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:42.400 Don't rip an ivy out of your daughter's arm. That's 1:43:42.479 --> 1:43:44.439 not that'll be frowned upon. 1:43:45.479 --> 1:43:47.719 Try to live a life so your parents don't flush 1:43:47.760 --> 1:43:49.240 your ashes down the toilet. 1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:50.080 That's another. 1:43:50.760 --> 1:43:54.719 Yeah, I think Also trying to recognize the manipulative patterns 1:43:54.760 --> 1:43:56.800 of your parents and to see if you're if you've 1:43:56.880 --> 1:44:00.240 learned those is important. You know. That's a good one, 1:44:00.520 --> 1:44:04.439 you know, And I really, I mean, I really hope. 1:44:05.560 --> 1:44:07.760 I'm excited to see what Gypsy Rose does with her 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:09.720 life in the next two or three years when she's out. 1:44:10.000 --> 1:44:13.240 What if she does like club dates and nightclubs pay 1:44:13.280 --> 1:44:17.320 her to go to their nightclubs. She becomes like the 1:44:17.560 --> 1:44:20.240 like Snookie, like Polly d because I. 1:44:20.160 --> 1:44:21.040 Would want to see her. 1:44:21.280 --> 1:44:23.320 Yeah, maybe we'll throw a party and we'll pay for 1:44:23.360 --> 1:44:25.280 her to you know, sit on a throne or something. 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:28.280 Yeah, Gypsy comes and we just get to like watch 1:44:28.280 --> 1:44:29.439 her live her best life. 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:31.280 I mean, I do feel bad for the guy, but 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:33.040 he was probably a fool too. I also don't think 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:35.000 she should be engaged. I said this in the episode, 1:44:35.040 --> 1:44:38.120 obviously like play the field, live your life, make some money, 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:41.960 do a speaking tour, come clubbing with us. 1:44:42.560 --> 1:44:45.280 Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. You know, engagements are 1:44:45.360 --> 1:44:46.799 easily made and broken. 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:48.559 We'll see if she goes through with that. 1:44:50.760 --> 1:44:53.080 I do think there's a lot more people with Munchausen's 1:44:53.120 --> 1:44:55.439 than we think too, not just by proxy, but people 1:44:55.439 --> 1:44:56.080 who are like. 1:44:56.360 --> 1:44:58.599 I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick. 1:44:58.400 --> 1:45:01.200 And it's like okay, but like you know, sometimes I 1:45:01.200 --> 1:45:02.160 think it can be mental. 1:45:02.439 --> 1:45:05.800 But there's also a difference obviously with like hypochondriac and 1:45:05.880 --> 1:45:09.040 Munchausens right, because I think it's not just thinking you're 1:45:09.080 --> 1:45:09.919 sick and complaining. 1:45:09.960 --> 1:45:11.559 I think it's making yourself sick. 1:45:11.840 --> 1:45:16.240 Because hypochondriacs are also talking like, oh, this might be happy, 1:45:16.280 --> 1:45:19.200 this is happening, This is happening, but they're not harming themselves. 1:45:19.240 --> 1:45:22.640 They're just annoying. I'm a hyper. 1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:24.760 Contract might necessarily not care about the attention that they're 1:45:24.760 --> 1:45:27.320 getting either. Where that's that's front and center for someone 1:45:27.320 --> 1:45:30.200 with munchaus since, I think is that they want the attention, 1:45:30.439 --> 1:45:33.200 so they're like oh, now I have this diagnosis. Now 1:45:33.240 --> 1:45:35.760 I have this diagnosis. It's always something new and things 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:36.559 are popping up. 1:45:36.600 --> 1:45:40.240 And because Julia, our friend, she called me out once 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:43.000 and she was like, okay, well you are a hypochondriac 1:45:43.080 --> 1:45:43.920 when you're stressed out. 1:45:43.960 --> 1:45:47.800 And I was like, damn, shots fired. Yeah, and I 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:50.720 don't think you have munchausenes. No, I don't have money. 1:45:50.720 --> 1:45:52.000 I don't want anything wrong with me. 1:45:52.400 --> 1:45:55.000 But I am finally making doctor's appointments with the help 1:45:55.040 --> 1:45:57.599 of Kara. Now that I'm in Cedar SINAI you knew 1:45:57.600 --> 1:45:59.080 that would get me to go to the doctor. I'm 1:45:59.120 --> 1:46:03.640 making appointments left and right. It feels so fancy of 1:46:03.680 --> 1:46:07.120 all the sweet all the celeb babies born at Cedars. 1:46:07.160 --> 1:46:08.920 What an honor to be a part of it. 1:46:09.120 --> 1:46:09.400 I know. 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:12.200 I mean when I was in my tiny rooms giving 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:14.400 birth to my kids, I was I was like, Beyonce 1:46:14.560 --> 1:46:16.320 definitely had something better than this, but it was I 1:46:16.320 --> 1:46:17.639 could feel her spirit nearby. 1:46:17.720 --> 1:46:20.120 You know, I wish you watched Selling Sunset. 1:46:20.400 --> 1:46:23.640 I know. Well, that's what we've learned this week, is 1:46:23.680 --> 1:46:25.440 I wish I watched Selling Sunset. 1:46:25.479 --> 1:46:26.360 A huge lesson. 1:46:27.360 --> 1:46:31.559 Okay, let's get into our segment. What would Sister Peg Do? 1:46:31.720 --> 1:46:34.120 This is where every week we direct you guys towards 1:46:34.200 --> 1:46:37.600 a resource, an organization where you can donate or just 1:46:37.640 --> 1:46:40.720 find out more information about something we've touched on in 1:46:40.720 --> 1:46:44.080 today's episode. And I just wanted to point you guys 1:46:44.120 --> 1:46:46.800 towards the HBO documentary Mommy Dead and Dearest. I think 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:50.559 it's kind of the the act is dramatized, but this 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:53.719 doc is like the definitive sort of story of Gypsy 1:46:53.760 --> 1:46:56.800 Rose and Dedie Blanchard, and I think it's I think 1:46:56.840 --> 1:47:00.800 it's important to check out. So that's it dot Com 1:47:00.800 --> 1:47:03.040 in their documentary section, and we'll put the link in 1:47:03.080 --> 1:47:07.240 our what would mister Peg do highlight on Instagram stories. 1:47:07.320 --> 1:47:09.520 If you're ever looking for any of our past organizations, 1:47:09.520 --> 1:47:12.080 that's where we have them all listed there. 1:47:12.520 --> 1:47:16.000 Yeah, amazing, thank you for that. I haven't even seen it. 1:47:16.040 --> 1:47:18.439 I should watch it. I should definitely watch that dog. 1:47:18.960 --> 1:47:21.760 I think it's honestly still on Delta possibly check out. 1:47:21.800 --> 1:47:23.600 Actually, I don't know if I need to do it 1:47:23.640 --> 1:47:25.840 on the flight. That's where I watched it. 1:47:26.080 --> 1:47:29.920 If Clueless is available, I'm watching Clueless. I don't know 1:47:30.000 --> 1:47:32.759 if Mommy Dead and Dearest is gonna push its way through. 1:47:33.080 --> 1:47:34.160 That's where I watched it. 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:37.800 But next week make sure you watch along or don't. 1:47:37.800 --> 1:47:45.320 We don't care, but it's presumed guilty. Season fourteen, Episode ten, Peacock, Hulu, Library, 1:47:45.439 --> 1:47:48.360 VPN stick, so many ways to watch as if you 1:47:48.400 --> 1:47:51.080 go to a friend's house yesterday, I made you know 1:47:51.200 --> 1:47:53.479 Kara dv are something because I don't have TV for 1:47:53.520 --> 1:47:54.840 me because I wanted to watch it. 1:47:54.920 --> 1:47:57.639 So don't always ask for help. 1:47:58.280 --> 1:48:01.080 And we'll see you guys next week for a very 1:48:01.120 --> 1:48:03.240 special holiday episode. 1:48:03.840 --> 1:48:16.839 Bye. 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