WEBVTT - Ep. 81: Tequila Spot Burn Cream 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:06.080 Hey guys, before we get started here, your boy messed 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:09.680 something up with the recording. I mean, for those of 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.840 you who don't know, Joe and I live on two 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:13.480 separate parts of the country, so we do a lot 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:18.520 of our recording via zoom and I managed to mess 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.680 that up this week, so the audio quality isn't gonna 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.800 be quite what you're used to. Um, this is my fault. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.960 I'm sorry. Please don't stop listening to the podcast forever 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:37.559 and ever. All right, let's get to it. What do 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.360 you do when you take a buddy to a spot 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.199 and then show up in that spot and he is 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:45.199 there with someone else that you don't know? What do 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.360 you do? Then in the shot glass there's you know, 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.680 it's filled with epoxy and at the bottom of that 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.600 is a tied te kilo worm. What is the weirdest 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.800 thing that you've ever called? Foul ball? Hit by Muky Wilson. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.120 The Quintussentio Honey Drift to Curler mouse By is my 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:08.000 current supercent. Good morning to Jennered anglers, and welcome to Bent, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.840 the fishing podcast that has spent way more money on 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.080 laura and flymaking materials than the number of lawyers and flies. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:19.160 It is actually produced, and I made it, samac and 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:26.120 I feel your pain, dude, because uh, I mean that's 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.319 that's what happens, you know. Yeah. Well I don't know 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:31.880 about you, man, but like here's the trap that I 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.840 fell into when I first started tying flies I made up. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:40.520 It looked as if I was trying to make potions. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.440 With the shopping lists that I put together. It was like, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:52.840 oh yeah, I of peacock, uh mane of moose, and inevitably, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.520 I mean, like the thing is is like you go 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.640 and you get a book that's like kind of like 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:00.840 the first thing, and it has all the patterns in it. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:02.640 There was a series of mim I forget what they 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.320 were called, but they were like kind of coil bound books, man, 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:06.840 and each one of them had like, you know, a 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.680 hundred two hundred patterns in it, and you would go 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.040 through these yeah, and you would go through these things 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.520 and you'd be like, oh, well, if it's in here, 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.280 I obviously needed. So you'd end up with like like 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.160 jungle cock eyes and ship you know, just like it 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.399 you don't need, no, yeah, no, no, well yeah dude, 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.320 so I bought I mean, yeah, you're right, like you 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.720 can get carried away with lists and books. I also 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.600 I'll just find like you you go to buy like, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.960 you know, buck tail, but then you see cool popper heads, 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.320 so you're like, oh, those are cool, and then you're like, oh, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:36.880 that would look great with this, and then you just 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.240 buy all this material for flies you didn't even intend 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.880 to make. In fact, somebody even wanted. Like somebody gave 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.799 me a tube fly adapter for my advice years ago, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.600 and it's sat here, and then one day I saw 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.359 it and I'm like, I'm about this, And I went 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.040 out and bought all the ship to make tube flies, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.560 thinking I'd use them for trout, and I made three. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.200 I didn't. I didn't really like them or catch anything 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.400 with him. But the thirty dollars worth material I just 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.400 for the tube flies is still sitting here, like I've 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.200 done all the things. Have you ever tried to build 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:11.480 yourself a rod? When I was in ninth grade, I 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.200 bought one of those like Cabela's rod making kids, And 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:22.079 I remember I remember spending Halloween in high school and 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.040 um spent all night trying to trying to build a 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.239 rod that didn't It ended up working. Okay, what actually 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.680 ended up happening to It was I didn't see the 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.040 blank far enough in the in the court grip there, 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.400 and I hooked a really big fish. I was. It 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.240 was actually you know, as I so often call out 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:45.720 on y, This was on lake wall and pop pack um. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.240 I still remember. I was trying to catch like some panfish, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.080 and I was on this dock, and this dock was 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.480 on a drop, and I was fishing this little white 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.040 streamer and all of a sudden, I'm kind of like 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.400 watching the streamer come back towards me through the water 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.880 and it gets about over this rop where it drops 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.600 from like a shoal to I don't know, like thirty 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.680 ft or something, and I just see the shape come 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.960 up and it was a striper, and yeah, the striper 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:16.040 waxed this thing. I set the hook and immediately like 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.440 the ride just like disintegrate to my hand, and it 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:23.640 broke in the grip. So now I was out a 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.880 hundred dollars um, and being in ninth grade, the might 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.400 as well have been ten thousand dollars, because like I, I 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.400 I sure wasn't gonna buy another court grip for this thing, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.800 not to mention like it would involve like scraping the 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.960 epoxy off the end of the blank. So what I 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.360 did was I bored a hole through a bunch of 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.440 wine corks that my mother had a you know, I 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:50.359 didn't say yeah, yeah, yeah, And I cut the top 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.360 end of it off with wire cutters about two and 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.840 a half feet, threaded it through the hole in the corks. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.120 And that show is a story of my first ice 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.840 fishing rock. Oh there you go, repurposed it. That's good. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.719 See I didn't even do that. See, I got sucked 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.280 into it um one year and because I literally I 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.479 stumbled across discount blanks. There were some blanks in a 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.000 flea market and they were super cheap, and I also 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.679 found out later they were also jumped. You have known better, Joe. Yeah, 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.880 But here's the thing. I never gave rod building a 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.160 thought until that was in front of me. But like 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.440 ten bucks for five blanks turned into under it in 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:30.200 rod building material. I built one and it sucked. And 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.560 here's why. So also because quick man, you know what 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:39.080 the biggest problem with rod building is what it's so boring. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.360 It's not the most fun unless you're really good at well, 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.479 even if you're really good at diamond wraps and stuff, 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.560 that's tedious work. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.960 what if your favorite part about tying flies is like 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:58.280 building a good threadhead, then rod building rod building is 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.320 for you. Yeah. So here's what I did. This was 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:02.960 way back in the day, right, and I had just 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.120 gotten back from a trip to Quebec, h and I 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:11.159 shot a buck. So I thought it would be rad 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.440 to work a piece of the handler to the grip. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.840 But it's just really hurt my hand, Like it was 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.159 just really stupid. Like I don't know why you would 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.360 do that. Well, you know what, man, you see all 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.960 these like, um my, I do have a friend, uh 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:30.640 Joey McAvoy who if you're in Pennsylvania. Yeah, he has 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.800 a He has a guide service called Captain Joe's Guide Service. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.880 I might have to like redo that and plug it better, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.920 but it's Captain Joe's Guide Service. I think he'd Lake 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.800 Harmony is like one spot that he guides on, which 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.080 is fun. Man. He does like a lot of cool 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.280 trips to post him on Instagram, and um he builds 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.159 rods too, but he builds a lot of the handles 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.440 out of like laithe turned wood. And I was always 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.600 interested in how that would be because like, on one hand, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.880 you feel like could be uncomfortable, but on the other hand, 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.680 if it's like turned the right wings extremely like ergonomic, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.200 it's like video game controllers don't really hurt your hands 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.480 and they're not made out of super like soft cork. Yeah. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.520 I have a couple of customers that have really pretty 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.800 would turn handles, and they're they're okay, I mean to me, 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.600 like the ones I have are like really heavily varnished 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.760 in a pox seed, So it's great un till there's 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.880 fish slime on them. They're slipperies. He well, I'm sure 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.440 that I'm sure that Captain Joe's rods are not like that, 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.720 and I'm sure they're not. I think sure they're not. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.920 And also it is Captain Joe's fishing. Just just if 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.120 you're if you're wondering, I gotta do my boy favor, man, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:45.040 I gotta you gotta set them up anyway, While I 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.560 know that we have some very talented rod builders that 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.360 listen to this show, like my buddy Captain Joe. For 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.200 those of you that don't build your own rods or 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.360 botch them like another Captain Joe, that being Joe sir 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.680 Mellie and Hayden, you botched your too, I did about 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.960 to be fair, I was, uh, you need to get 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:09.080 friendly with our sponsors fishing. You do you do if 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.120 if you suck at building your own lords or pouring 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.920 your own soft flask, that you should link up with 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.200 them as well. Just throw that out there, but yes, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.480 you should be familiar with them. I mentioned last week 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.200 that I had a few of thirteens pan fish trout 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.360 prototype rods um just a few days ago. Man, they 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.600 sent me the production models along with some some mini 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.280 kalen Sea reels. Let me tell you what like they've 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.600 done with the omen pan fish trout rods. What bass 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.760 companies do in that the range of models within the 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.720 series is pretty impressive. I really if they have a 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.920 five ft six inch ultra light that I love for spinners, 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.040 especially on smaller streams because the short rods really accurate, 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.240 and then a seven footer it's just the bomb for 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.080 for small hair jigs are like running afloat and jig 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.520 because the lank and softness lets you set the hook 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.720 from like a mile away. Really cool stuff. Killer rods 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.880 that is like one of the things that very much 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.840 impresses me about thirteen Fishing. It's like the breadth of 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.000 models that they put out, you know what I mean, 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.840 Like if you're trying to get into like some very 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.240 specialized fishing and you're really trying to like fine tune 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.000 your setup, I would say like a deep dive into 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.360 the thirteen Fishing catalog is uh, definitely worth your time 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.880 in consideration. And I'm excited to use uh, you know, 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.640 some of their open water rods, but I haven't gotten 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.719 I've gotten to those yet because it's uh, I mean, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.640 as we're recording this up where I'm meant to be 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:39.080 fishing this week, it's like negative twenty two. Um. But 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:43.240 but I've been biting my indoor time to tie some 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.200 flies between these bouts of ice fishing. And I've always 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.040 been curious about how a fly makes a leap to 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.960 like commerci like you know how like sometimes you're tieing 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.320 something and you're like, I can sell this like this 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.319 this is a good this is a cool pattern. I know. Um, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.760 now you, Joe, you have one of the premier mouse 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.640 patterns is credited to uh, to our very own Joe 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.079 sor Mellie Man. Yeah, the Mr. Splinter has made the 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.240 leap to commercial. I have one. It's my one. It's 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.400 the only one I'll ever had. Do you want to 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.360 know what the secret is to getting it there? I 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.679 just knew a guy. That's the secret. I just I 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.240 just knew a guy who would say yes, Um no, 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.440 I'm I'm I'm kidding. I mean, I didn't know a guy. 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:30.000 But that's really not all kidding aside there there is 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.160 more to it than that, um, some of which will 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.480 explore today in our Smooth Move segment. Now, normally this 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.400 is where we let guides and captains tell us about 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.720 wacky ship their clients have done. But we're putting a 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.480 little different spin on it at the vice. But I'm 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:48.880 bumped this week with my old friend Brian Schmidt. Why 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.600 so this is a little bit different. Um, you know, 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.079 smooth Moves, it's often a captain or a guy, but 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.400 we like to incorporate all people in the fishing industry 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.559 where applicable. So joining us today is my old buddy 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.600 Brian Schmidt, now currently of Brian Schmidt Bates. Right, you're 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.800 you're still you're still making the baits. I see them 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.920 on Instagram. Yeah yeah, yeah, so I I know you 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.440 make a ton of bass jigs that looks really really cool. 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.200 But it started out with wooden rats. I still have 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.360 your rats. You're still making the rats, the big swimmer rats. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.080 You know, I haven't made one in a while. I 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.200 don't have I don't have my witch shops set up 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.960 right now. It's all kind of between my garage and 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.840 in storage. So yeah, unfortunately I can't. I can't get 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.760 to those at the moment. But I miss making those. Man, 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.960 those were a lot of fun. You know, I've been 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.080 seeing a lot as I get more into like the 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.840 fishing realm of things is a fishing podcast hosts want 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:53.880 to do. Um, I keep running into these, like these 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:59.280 giant wooden rat luers. I kind of assumed that they 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.080 were just for uh almost just for show man. Are 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.760 those like legit to people? Like? Are people whacking ship 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.520 on them? Absolutely? Yeah, I always I always thought it 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.280 was kind of like a double edged sword maybe like Brian, 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.960 If you'll agree on one hand, yes, they are just 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.960 kind of cool trendy to look at, Like, there is 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:21.520 that part of it, but like dudes in the know, man, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.080 like you could do some gnarly stuff with big rat 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:28.400 top water swimmers. Are you hitting like large mouths with them. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.760 Is that most most that's that's mostly what they're for. Um. 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.480 But yeah, man, I was wondered maybe if you weren't 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.480 making as many rats because they were on the down 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.720 swinging trendiness. However, you just said the wood shops not 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.160 set up. However, we did not bring you here to 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.240 to talk about baits, although we could all day and 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.760 I highly recommend everybody listening check out Brian Schmidt baits, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.640 especially if you're a best dude. But we got to 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.760 talk about your former life before full time bait maker. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.400 Remind me how many years you were the guy at 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:05.920 Unqua Fly that vetted every single submission that came through 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.920 from the tying hopefuls around the world looking to get 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.880 their patterned in the catalog and commercialized. Yeah, that was 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.600 That was almost ten years. Almost ten years of my 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:24.960 life I spent looking at people's quote unquote work. So well, 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:26.920 let me ask you something, man, because I've always been 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.400 like kind of interested in this. When I was a kid, 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.920 I was interested in fly tying, and I'm still interested 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.040 in fly tying. But like I would make these things, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.439 I'd be like, oh, like I had a fly fishing 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.040 mentor I've mentioned before this bus driver Tony, and I 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.800 would show him this fly that I made, and he'd 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:47.160 be like, well, that's just a I don't know, like 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.440 a pheasant tails soft tackle variation. That's just a you know, 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.200 this variation, that variation. What what would you say, Like, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:57.880 at what point do you go, oh, that's like a 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.800 different fly. Yeah? That was the That was that absolutely 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.480 best part of my job as far as looking at flies, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.880 was you know, trying to find those those particular bugs. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:14.439 You know, Um, you gotta understand kind of like what 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.520 what I was doing on a day to day basis 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.800 as far as Yeah, I was getting in looking at 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.240 a lot of flies, but we were looking for something 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:26.280 in particular, looking for something specific, not necessarily a batis 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:32.200 a merger, not that specific, but we were looking for innovation. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.600 We were looking for something that did not scream pheasant 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.760 tail because it looked just like a pheasant tail. Because 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.640 you're not going to pay someone a royalty for another 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:46.280 pheasant tail. And so there was that aspect of it 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.520 that really it made the job a whole lot harder 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.880 because you really had the you had to dig into 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:59.040 why they were sending you what they were sending you. So, uh, yes, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.920 the big the biggest fly manufacturer, they're going to get 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.160 whatever is you're going to get the guy who doesn't 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.720 understand why uncle exists and he wants to show off 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.720 that he took a fly class last week and look 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.400 at this wooly bugger I made. Doesn't understand that we're 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.680 not going to pay you anything for that because you 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.760 were one of how many people in that particular class? 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.600 How many classes went on that Tuesday? Now, dude, right? 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.680 So so what like what did catch your eye? What 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:35.720 caught my eye was innovative use of materials, innovative choice 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:40.160 of materials, and ultimately what really what really got me 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:46.800 excited was simplicity and a reason for the bug in 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.800 front of me. So when I would open up, okay, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.440 I would have a pile of boxes and envelopes on 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.360 my desk in the morning, all submissions, and I you 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.240 could tell right off of the bat which ones you 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.320 wanted to open first because of the care they took 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:07.680 in packaging it. Yeah, you know that alone speaks volumes 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.840 of what you're about to see. In most cases, not 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.760 always right right? I mean one in particular, you can 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.400 wrap up a turd, real pretty man, I'll tell you. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.480 I'll give you a great example of a wtf did 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.000 you bother to send me this thing? Why? I don't 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.480 even understand why. You know, well, wait a minute, hold 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.200 on one second before you do that, because that's kind 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.880 of that's kind of why we're having Brian on because 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.280 I thought, man, it would be fun all those years. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.040 And I should also point out that you personally, you know, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.040 came up with some incredible bugs during your tenure there. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:45.200 I still throw the Schmidder schmitter bait and the schmitter bug, 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.360 which is the only fly I'm aware of that was 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.120 modeled after the jitterbug. So um, you know you you've 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:52.680 done this for a very long time. So that's what 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.000 we thought would be fun. Like, there have to be 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.560 some standouts before we get into there, because I I 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.280 know Joeys just gritting his teeth at how I'm derailing 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.679 this conversation, or maybe you want to get to the funny. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:10.359 I want to hear about the w TS question, dude, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.880 I'm just like voraciously curious man. Go man that I'm 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.159 not Dude. I've known Brian for a long time and 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.800 I'm always fascinated by this like that job and there 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.720 because there's so many people out there that that want 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.359 that so badly. So to have the guy that looked 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.639 at all those submissions ask away. Okay, um, you know, 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:34.320 I think an interesting way to contextualize you, Brian, for 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:39.400 our listeners. Is there a specific fly that many many 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:43.280 folks know that you bought to market via like a submission? 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.800 Oh god, yeah, the game Changer. Yeah, we had the 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:53.000 game Changer first. All right, yeah, um, you know as 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:57.119 far as what what people submitted and you know, making 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.919 getting excited and making that happen, that's a that's a 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.600 big one. Um. I mean most of Charlie Craven's Yeah, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.399 I mean everything in the past. You know, while I 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.720 was there for ten years, a lot of that stuff was. 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.920 I mean, the guy's brilliant. You can you can drop 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.359 an idea on his on his plate and in a 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.719 week you've got exactly what you hoped for. So to 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.879 give you an example, okay, So the Juju series, Okay, 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.200 those all came out, you know while I was at Umpqua, 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.320 and it was like, hey, you know RS two sell 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:39.359 like unbelievably well, Um, your Juju sell It's like unbelievably well, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.600 do you smell what I'm stepping in here, buddy, and 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.679 he's like, oh, the juju r as to emerge her. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.760 I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I go for that. Yeah, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:53.159 you know yeah that so oh on my side, I 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.840 got to see trends of sales too, and things that 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.800 would sell. And if Charlie Craven's name was attached to 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.480 it was gonna sell. And if it was a really 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.560 highly sought after pattern period, it was gonna sell. So 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.000 you blend those things together and holy you know, the 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.960 guy can come up with stuff, you know. Yeah. Um, 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.320 so a lot of those patterns came out. You know 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:19.160 that people, I mean, everybody knows those patterns. Um, does 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.160 that answer your question? Is that what you totally? Totally 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.760 It's exactly what I was interested in, man, that is 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.200 exactly what I was interested So I will now cease 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.840 to derail the conversation and I will pass it over 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.479 to Joe. Joe, we can talk about the greats all day. 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.199 I mean, yeah, Charlie Craven, awesome, Blaine Chocolate with the 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.960 game changer. But like, having talked to you in the past, 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.399 like you you were saying like you would get these 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.119 crumpled envelopes and It's like, why would you send a 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.320 fly that you want us to consider so poorly? So 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.520 so hit us, man, give us some examples of the 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.560 ones that have stuck with you after a decade of like, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.080 I can't believe somebody just sent me this. Well, one 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:58.560 in particular was I remember when hairline came out with 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.200 fluoresce and be chein and you know, so this goes 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.600 back aways and within like a month, Man, I had 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.239 this envelope that it was smushed to begin with. It 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.920 was just like a letter envelope, and inside it we're 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.359 some like bait holder hooks, micro bait holder hooks and 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:27.399 white thread that they just lashed this colored be chain too, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.520 and inch worms those were the green ones, the San 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.920 Juan worms was were the hot pink ones, and they 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.880 were all labeled differently. Right, they just made worms out 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.760 of a piece of bee chain and white thread on 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:45.720 a bait hold. Nailed it, nailed it genius, right. I 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.480 was surprised you didn't get Like, I'm surprised you didn't 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.480 just get like two of those little be chains on 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.399 that bait holder hook with a white thread and somebody 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.679 be like, this is a milted egg. Yeah, you know 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.879 that well that, you know, to give the guy credit. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.920 Pretty I think it was a guy regardless, UM, give 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:06.000 give that person credit. The inch worm was exactly one inch. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:11.439 He did cut that, you know. Yeah, so that was 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.439 one and it's just you open it up and you 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.600 you look at it and you're like, well, I responded 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.720 to everybody. You know, I had to, you know, I 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:20.560 wanted to let him know that it got there and 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.080 in what condition and if that's not the condition that 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.359 they meant it to be in, then you know, please 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.240 try again. UM and or hey we're interested in We're 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.959 not um and those some of those just leave your 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.280 scratch in your head, like do we pretend to got 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.280 lost in the mail? Like? You know, I don't want to. 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.320 It's gonna be an insult with no matter what I 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.120 say it, I don't mean it to be. But yeah, 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.280 you know. The funny thing about that one, though, is 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:46.959 I mean, I'm sure, I hate to say it, but 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.240 they'd probably catch fish. And if you needed to get 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.720 like a San Juan down in a run real quick, 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.080 I'm sure it would work. But I think the idea 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:58.840 of that becoming a commercial pattern, like that's where that misses. 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.320 That's what I need to know, would never like you're 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.920 not making that? Oh? I mean, can I guarantee it's 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:08.200 like one of the best croppy bluegill things you could 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.120 tie on, you know what I mean, like just got 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.240 under a bobber and wait, you know, and it's like 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.119 a great tip, but a terrible flock. Absolutely, you know. 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.120 And it's a great it's a great thought press process, 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.920