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Speaker 1: and ever. All right, let's get to it. What do

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Speaker 1: The Quintussentio Honey Drift to Curler mouse By is my

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Speaker 1: the fishing podcast that has spent way more money on

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Speaker 1: Nobody thinks about you just go into the nice shop

425
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Speaker 1: and pick them out with the little tweezers and put

426
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Speaker 1: them in a cup. It's like a woman cried making

427
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Speaker 1: that absolutely bowled her eyes out, contemplated life as she

428
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Speaker 1: knew it. Man, you know absolutely for that stupid twenty

429
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Speaker 1: six that you're gonna stick in the tree Garante. So

430
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: what else you got? Man? Sometimes you get these really

431
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Speaker 1: really well packaged boxes and you open it up and

432
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: you're like, oh this there's something, this could be awesome,

433
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: and and yet you keep digging at it and you

434
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: open up this diorama and literal like seventh grade school diorama,

435
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: and there's shot classes glued to this little picnic table,

436
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: and in the shot glass there's clear you know, it's

437
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: filled with a POxy and at the bottom of that

438
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: is a tied tequilo worm and there's mono tied to

439
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Speaker 1: a Yeah that's awesome, man, I's sweet. So absolutely, you know,

440
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Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that you're like, Oh,

441
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna parade this around the building and show everybody.

442
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: Whatever of these flies ended up as like desk toys.

443
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: Everyone that we speak of today we'll have in one way,

444
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Speaker 1: shape or form, Yeah, for a for a short period

445
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Speaker 1: of time, until it was you know, returned to them. Um.

446
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Speaker 1: But yeah, the diorama, there was a if I'm not

447
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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, there was actually a an umbrella,

448
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Speaker 1: you know, like a cocktail umbrella that was spundy and

449
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: then glued to make it look like it was really

450
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: poorly done, but it was made to look like an umbrella. Okay,

451
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: So this whole diorama you get and you're like, again

452
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: scratching your head, like what am I exactly looking at?

453
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: Because is the killer worm? The fly? Is the umbrella?

454
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: The fly? Is this just a you know, right, you know,

455
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Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, so that was another one that I

456
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: was just left scratching. Man, I didn't know. I didn't

457
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Speaker 1: know what the of it. I didn't know. I didn't

458
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Speaker 1: really know what to do with it. Um. I couldn't

459
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: even get to the to the tequila fly because it was,

460
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, under a POxy into the shot gun. Yeah. Yeah,

461
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: it did have mondo tied to it so that you

462
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: knew that it was to look at it, you know,

463
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: it did have but you had a little picnic table

464
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: that was made out of toothpicks, and uh at the

465
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: whole nine yards man, it was. It was a little

466
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: beach scene. It was. It was phenomenal. But but yeah,

467
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: what uh, I think you've given some great advice here

468
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: for anybody ag ainy of the hopefuls out there that

469
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: think they might have that pattern on what not to do.

470
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: But um, dude, let's let's let's leave it here, like

471
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: above all else, Like the the biggest thing to consider

472
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Speaker 1: if you're a fly tire and you're like, I think

473
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Speaker 1: this has chops, what's the number one thing like thing

474
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Speaker 1: to check off before you even go any further with it.

475
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Speaker 1: You really have to have a reason for why you

476
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Speaker 1: did it, man. I mean you have to know that

477
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: there isn't that it isn't duplicating something. And if it

478
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: seems as if it's duplicating something, there needs to be

479
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: an evolution of why the existing didn't work and you

480
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: needed to alter it. So that was that's what I

481
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: looked for. That was the innovation. Like I said before,

482
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: that was what I was looking for, you know. And

483
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: to be very honest with you, the Juju is probably,

484
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: in my mind, one of and this may sound silly

485
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: because of how simple it is, it's probably one of

486
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: the most innovative trout patterns out there because it took

487
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: something absolutely not trout midge pattern material and made exactly

488
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: what it should be. Sure sure. So in other words,

489
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: this fly catches a lot of fish for me and

490
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: my boys. Is not necessarily like a great jumping off points.

491
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not not not unless your boys happened

492
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: to own like a really veil Valley Anglers or something,

493
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. And that's the other thing

494
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: to think about too. You know, if you walk into

495
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: these shops, whether it's a flas shop or a retail

496
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: bass shop, every peg is taken, every fly box then

497
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: is filled filled you you need to you need to

498
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: relocate something to have yours in that real estate, right

499
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, so if you look at a board of

500
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: winning patterns and you're like, oh, mine isn't gonna fit

501
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: in here? No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's the business

502
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: side of it. Well this was fun, man, it was

503
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: good catching up. Hey, do you have any more questions

504
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: before we sign off here? I feel like you like

505
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: you're thinking. I could see you thinking, mm hmmm, um uh,

506
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: I can think I have some follow up questions, Joe.

507
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: You and I have been kicking around, ah, you know,

508
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: in an idea for a segment called Makers, So maybe

509
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: we'll have to revisit sometimes down the line. What do

510
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: you think about that? Brian would definitely fit if we

511
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: if we end up kicking off a maker's segment of

512
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 1: the show, for sure. Anyway, everybody needs to look up

513
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Brian Schmidt Bates, that's all one word, correct, Brian on

514
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: the instagrams and uh yeah, and follow him because he

515
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: makes some some some badass stuff. And one thing I

516
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: can say about you is you are absolutely not making

517
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: anything to catch Fisherman. Everything has a reason, just like

518
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: you've talked about with the flies and um, it is

519
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: all very good stuff. So yeah, man, if we kick

520
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: off some maker segment down the road, we will have

521
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: you back. But in the meantime, dude, thank you, thank

522
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: you for the the funny fly fail stories. Yeah yeah, guys,

523
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: it was fun. Thank you for having me. So we

524
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: hinted at that segment about people who make stuff in fishing,

525
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: and props to you, Hayden. That was that was Hayden's

526
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: idea was Yeah, no, it was your credit yourself. Damnit. Uh,

527
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: let us know what you think about that, because we

528
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: really do value your opinion and we'd be curious to hear, um,

529
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: how many of you guys would be interested in something

530
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: like that. As a big fan of the show How

531
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: It's Made, I'm all for it. Yeah, you you also

532
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: like How It's Made? There, Joe, do you like How

533
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: It's Mad? Do you really? I see? I figured you, like,

534
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: I figured you were gonna give me crap for that. No, no,

535
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: no, no no, what I like? Here's the thing, man, here's

536
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: the thing. I can't stand to watch it that like,

537
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't like it's hard for me to just watch

538
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: something that's like purely entertainment, like Family Guy is like

539
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: not something I'm interested in. It has to have some

540
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: sort of like even if it's drunk history. I watched

541
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: drunk History all the time because I'm like, Okay, well

542
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: it's funny, but I'm also like kind of learning some ship.

543
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: You know. I'm really surprised. I was expecting to get

544
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: some some flak for that, because it's like, at some

545
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: point robot Chicken loses its appeal and I just want

546
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: to like sit with a bourbon and listen to the

547
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: common narrative about how space heaters are made after a

548
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: long day. It's like it's like a sedative, but in

549
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: a very good way, you know how. Well, yeah, man,

550
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna keep that in my back pocket next time.

551
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm having trouble falling to sleep and I haven't watched

552
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: it in a little bit. But anyway, Uh, listeners, please

553
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: let us know how you feel about that maker segment

554
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: and let our audio engineer Phil know why you think

555
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: I was the dominator in this week's fish News. Fish

556
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: News that escalated quickly, real quick before we jump in,

557
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, by listening to request. We spent a lot

558
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: of time on prostitutes on ice last week, which was

559
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: fun and formative at all. But um, some big things

560
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: also happened in Florida right recently that we've we've yet

561
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: to touch on, and we just want to do that

562
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: briefly here and you'll understand why. Um. Not long ago

563
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: I reported on what was a big win for Captains

564
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: for Clean Water. I say was, and that's going to

565
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: be important. Um. Back in November, the Army Corps of

566
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: Engineers finally revised its plan for how Lake Okeechobi's water

567
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: will get managed. As a reminder, um, Laco used to

568
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: let water naturally filter south to the Everglades, and that

569
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: water has now been diverted east and west, and that's

570
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: now killing the Everglades, it's starving them. At the time,

571
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: Captains for Clean Water said, you know, hey, look the

572
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: war is not over. But this new plan is a

573
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: great first step for the future the Everglades, as the

574
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: new plan made a lot more sense than m the

575
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: previous water management plans. So just a few short months ago,

576
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: this this felt like a step in the right direction. Yeah.

577
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: So uh, Now, the folks that benefit like the most

578
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: from water diversions are the folks in the sugar industry,

579
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: and in in Florida, that's known as big sugar. Right, Um,

580
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: these are incredibly influential people in Florida and now they're

581
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: trying to fast track bill s B two five zero eight.

582
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: And in simple terms, this bill is tied to budget

583
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: procedure and therefore is not intended to undergo like substantial

584
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: policy change. Uh. There would only be one chance for

585
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: public comment, and if it passes, Florida could be left

586
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: with outdated, like nineteen forties approach to managing their waterways.

587
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: It would also mean three million in Everglades restoration money

588
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: held hostage by the bills passing. So no good. Yeah,

589
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a bad deal and it kind of came

590
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. So what we're encouraging you guys

591
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: to do to actually head over to the Meat Eatter

592
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: dot com and read the detailed story about this by

593
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: our colleague Maggie Hudlow. She was actually in Tallahassee on

594
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: the ground for the rally held by a ton of

595
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: captains to protest. Yeah, yeah, she was down there doing

596
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: her thing. And even if you don't read the story,

597
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: or if even if you don't ever plan to fish

598
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: in Florida, at minimum, take one minute to go to

599
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Captain's for Clean water dot org and sign their petition.

600
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: It takes seconds. Uh, you don't get out on any

601
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: email lists, they promise, and I know for a fact

602
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: you won't. Just doing that can really make a difference. Yeah,

603
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: And while we're on this, like conservation be a little

604
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: bit here um listeners, Joe and I have been talking

605
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: and we came up with a little idea that we

606
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: I guess we'd also like your input on UM. We

607
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: only have so much time with you guys each week,

608
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: and because of that, we're only hitting one news story

609
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: of piece, and we like to have a little bit

610
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: of fun here on Ben. We don't want it to

611
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: be all like doom and gloom. We wanted to be entertaining,

612
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: but you know, we strive to kind of make a

613
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: combination here meet in the middle ground where we're giving

614
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: you some entertainment, but we're also giving you some like

615
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: important information, and sometimes that means that we're not able

616
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: to hit every conservation story out there. So we're going

617
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: to try something at the top of news starting next

618
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: week called Conservation Minutes. Yeah, because we think we think

619
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Speaker 1: it's important that you guys know what's going on. Even

620
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: if we're not detailing every one of those stories. So

621
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be just a very quick hit on

622
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Speaker 1: what's going on in the fish conservation realm, and of

623
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: course we'll keep working. The biggest stories are the ones

624
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Speaker 1: we think are our most important or interesting to all

625
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: right into the regular news coverage. But we're pumped to

626
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: try that. I think that'll be good. I think more informed.

627
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be good. And you know, we

628
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: have so many like talented colleagues over here at Meat

629
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: Eater that cover this stuff in ways that we might

630
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: not have time to in this like podcast format, so

631
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, we'll we'll also be kind of directing you

632
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: to a bunch of that stuff. And man, I I

633
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: think it's gonna it's gonna be good. And I think

634
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: for the people who are really interested in that kind

635
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: of thing, like I am and like you are, Joe,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be kind of a valuable, like you know,

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00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: kind of what do they call it, like an aggregation

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00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: of important conservation news. Yeah, it basically just lets us,

639
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, keep you keep you up on the important

640
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: stuff when like something so good like prostitutes on ice

641
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: comes along and we just can't leave that alone anyway.

642
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: So that's we did a joint report on prostitutes on

643
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: ice last week, which means getting back to normal. Here,

644
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: it's your lead this week. What do you got? Okay, Joe?

645
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start with the question, man, what is

646
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing that you've ever caught? A foul ball

647
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: hit by Mooki Wilson bullshit. Yeah, I'm not kidding when

648
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: I was a little kid. Oh oh, I get it.

649
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: You're not You're catch got you? Okay, I'm messing with you.

650
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude. I have caught so many weird

651
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: things that like, I don't even know. There's not one

652
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: that springs to mind, is like damn right right now,

653
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: we've all gone a barracuda in Jersey once. That's pretty weird.

654
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: A little tiny barracuda in Jersey about that. So we've

655
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: all gone out, we've all caught a non target species,

656
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: like you know, you're going for catfish or whatever and

657
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: you hit a I don't know, a barracuda in New

658
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: Jersey because those are definitely fresh and saltwater speak. But

659
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: have you ever have you ever caught the wrong class

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00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: of animal? Wrong class of animal, like the wrong phylum

661
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: in the in the in the Latin, I don't well

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00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: caught something that was an animal but not a fish.

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00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: I've hooked a million birds like throwing lures, a striper

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00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: blitz and like gulls, you know, every once in a while. See, man,

665
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: you don't gotta be about windmills. He don't gotta be

666
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: worried about windmills killing birds. It's just Joe Surmelie. Uh So.

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00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: So the story comes from NBC ten in Boston. Angler Keith,

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Speaker 1: I think it's pronounced plassan, which is uh it might

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00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: be anyway. Keith Keith was an ice fisherman from Massachusetts.

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00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: Uh And he knew he had something big on his

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00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: tip up, but I don't think he expected that something

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00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: to be thirty pounds and furry. You see, Keith caught himself.

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00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: There's a joke. There's a joke there. And what he

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00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: just said, I'll tell you what. I was ice fish

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00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: with my dog and he was running into into like

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00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: this group. Next was he ran into all their tip

677
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: ups and they almost caught something a thirty pounds in

678
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: furry in the in the way of Boone the yellow lab.

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00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: Uh So, he caught himself an otter um. There's a

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Speaker 1: video I saw young Lady did this. I had a

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00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: feeling you were going to. Yeah. So there's a video

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00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: of the incident itself, as well as an interview with

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Speaker 1: NBC ten that Keith decided to take in his car

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00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: for some reason. It's like hilarious. There are tubs of

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00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: gear and shipped behind him. So, I mean, I think

686
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Speaker 1: I would you for the news and you're sitting in

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00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: your truck. It's weird. I loved it, man, I think

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00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I'd like this dude. Anyhow, the interview in the footage

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Speaker 1: they used are like pretty vanilla, you know, very NBC ten.

690
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: But I found the dude's Instagram and holy sh it,

691
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: is his video way more. I'll send it to It's

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00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: Keith's custom would flags do make some like pretty cool

693
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: wood flags? And the very first thing on that Instagram

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Speaker 1: page is the uh is the video? So to get

695
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: into that video, first off, the dude is swearing like

696
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: a sale and that's not only relatable, but it also

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00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: makes way more sense why NBC ten used approximately six

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Speaker 1: seconds of this minute long video because I'm pretty sure

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00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure those were the only six seconds where

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00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: there wasn't a swear share between the two anglers in it. Now,

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00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: that's part one that I really like about this video.

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00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: My next favorite part of the video is what Keith's

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00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: buddy tries to do, which, um, I mean it looks

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Speaker 1: like he tries to gill lift the otter in the

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Speaker 1: same way you might try to gill lift a pike. Uh,

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00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: there are ce I didn't see any of this because

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00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: I've only seen the NBC ten. It was very tame.

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00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Um. The first problem is that an

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00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: otter does not have gills, making it hard to gil lift.

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00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: The second problem is what otters do have, and that

711
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: is insanely sharp teeth. If you want to see what

712
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: a piste off outer can do, go ahead and google

713
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: otter attack and Hotter? Will you up very well? They

714
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: want to kill him all over in Britain. Yeah, right right,

715
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: that's what we call a call back in the industry, fellas. Um.

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Speaker 1: Very wisely, Keith dissuades his companion from trying to handle

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00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: the otter any further. Now, you hear Keith say that

718
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: they're going to cut the line, But then he changed

719
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: his heart and things that he might be able to

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Speaker 1: get the hook out as it's already in the corner

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00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: of like the otter's mouth, like it's just barely in there.

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00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: It's not like this otter like swallow. No, that's another

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00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: thing that makes a story like palpable. If you had

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00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: had like a writhing otter in there, that would not

725
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: have been great Anyhow. This otter is, I got to mention,

726
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: the otter is adorable and honestly like remarkably calm during

727
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: the whole ordeal. It just kind of like comes up

728
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: like if you ever see like the National Geographic where

729
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: they like videotape like seals coming through like the ice

730
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: holes in the Antarctic. It's just like it's just like

731
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: kind of coming up and like taking some breaths, and

732
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem overly angry. Um, It not thrashing, it's

733
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: not biting at everything. And dare I say it's snoot

734
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: looks very popable. Oh man, do you participate in Snooter

735
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: Saturday with your dog on Instagram? No? But I boomed

736
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: that dog Snoot all the time. Dude, I can't disagree

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00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: with this because I gotta tell you, like you can't

738
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: help but feel a little bad for it, right, because

739
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: like it's struggling down there, and then when they finally

740
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: do get it through the hole, and like his little

741
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: nose just comes up and he's just like, yeah, I

742
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: felt I felt bad for the otter. I felt bad

743
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: for him because he wasn't he was kind of cute anyway.

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00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: In the interview on NBC ten, Keith mentions that he

745
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: was sure he had a state record on the line,

746
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: and although it may not have been the walley or

747
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: muskie or whatever else he was hoping for, I'd say

748
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: you can confidently claim the Massachusetts otter catch and release

749
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: record through the ice. I think this was a cool story.

750
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: And what I appreciate is I know that feeling of

751
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: having something on the line and you're like I have

752
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: no idea what I have on here, dude, but like

753
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: whatever this is, like this is some crazy ship right now,

754
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: and like you're just going through your head of like

755
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: fifty muskie or thirty pound wall like crazy. I don't

756
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: think I would have like thought, I would have been

757
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: like god, damn, I would have been pissed. It would

758
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: have been pissed that it wasn't a fish. And then

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00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: I did feel bad for the little guy a little. Yeah,

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00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: I mean the otter is adorable, but you know what

761
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: I actually my question was how often does stuff like

762
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: this happen? And as it turns out, Joe, it kind

763
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: of happens like a lot. He is, by no leans. Yeah,

764
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: he's by no means like the first person to catch

765
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: an otter through the ice. If you if you just

766
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: google otter through the ice and you click the little

767
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: video thing, a bunch of ship comes up. I'm same

768
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: with muskrats, beavers not so much. But you know, it's

769
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: interesting the mamalion by catch that uh seems mostly through

770
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: the ice. Because this happened more. I would bet it

771
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: happens more ice fishing than open water. You've never heard

772
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: of it open world. Well, Joe are very own Brody Henderson.

773
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: I showed him this video and he told me about

774
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: a tangle he got in with a an otter while

775
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: he was streamer fishing one time. Yep. So I mean,

776
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: did it actually go for the streamer? Because because I

777
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: know people that have snagged beavers um. In fact, I

778
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: know somebody had happened to at night while mouse fishing,

779
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: but it didn't eat the fly. Yeah, no, I I

780
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: didn't ask him too much about I mean, like you know.

781
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: We we we're very hard at work in the mediator

782
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: office and sometimes it doesn't allow for extended conversation. I'll

783
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: ask him about it, um, but no, My my impression

784
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: was that the otter went for the streamer man. I mean,

785
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: that's what they do, that's how they feed. I can

786
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: see it. I've never I've never had that happen. I've never,

787
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: at least I've never seen anything in person, though I

788
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: do know of a confirmed account from a buddy of

789
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: mine that hooked a freaking seal in the mouth trolling

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00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: a rubber show for stripers. Now, they're extremely smart, like

791
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: kind of like dolphins. You don't ever hear anybody hooking

792
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: a dolphin that like, like a dolphin never eats your lore.

793
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: They eat and you know, yeah, because they know it's fake.

794
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: And I always thought, you know, seals were pretty smart too,

795
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: and not that one. But they were literally trolling back

796
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: Bay along these sod banks and I remember seeing the

797
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: video of it, the reels just dumping and they're like,

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00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is an eighty pound striper or something.

799
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: It's a light rod. It's just dumping, and then like

800
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: a mile back up with it with with his a

801
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: storm had right in the corner of his mouth. That's

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00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: that's the only time I've no God, no, they just

803
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: ended up cutting a lot like you weren't reeling that

804
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: in that there was no way you were working it

805
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: to the boat, and as if you chased it, it

806
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: would just swim a million miles an hour the other direction,

807
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: like there was no catching up. So uh yeah, no,

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00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: please enter your password. You have one unheard message. Oh

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00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: hey man, thanks for us the audio for like a

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00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: sixth time in a row. Now, um, like I said,

811
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: if this happens to gonna find a new host. Totally unprofessional.

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00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: End of message, Delete press seven, save deleted. All right,

813
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: so we'll go from let's go from cute little otters

814
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: to stone called death. About that, because, as Sergeant Barnes

815
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: once famously said, everybody gotta die sometime, right, And if

816
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: you're a fisherman, why not give back to the fishes

817
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: when you kick the bucket by having yourself memorialized in

818
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: an artificial reef ball. It creates habitats for the things

819
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: you spent your entire life ripping from the sea and

820
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: dropping in hot conola oil. It only seems I needed

821
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: to point out that you just missed a way up

822
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: sleeping with the fishes. Pun but go ahead, Yeah, you're right. Yeah,

823
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: shame one, shame on me. Anyway. Reef ball memorials. This

824
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: is not new, okay. Florida Bay's company, Eternal Reefs, has

825
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: been providing this service since the late nineteen eighties. Uh.

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00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: And they take the cremated remains of folks, they mixed

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00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: them with concrete, cast them into a reef ball and

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00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: then drop that to the bottom. Let you get the story,

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00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: what is it? Because that's way more palatable than being

830
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: turned into chumh. Yes, we're gonna get to that though,

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00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: because I kind of suggest that later and you'll understand why.

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00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: According to the story I'm pulling from, and this is

833
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: in the Guardian, there are more than three thousand of

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00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: these memorial reef balls in twenty five offshore sites ranging

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00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: from Texas to New Jersey. Friends and family are then

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00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: provided with the GPS coordinates of their loved ones reef ball.

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00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: So if the dead coral wasn't enough for you, you

838
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: can also be dead. So well, hey man, but these

839
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: are you're jumping the gun because these promote coral growth, right,

840
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: So anyway, I get the impression that this service based

841
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: on your reaction because you've never heard of it was

842
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of low key, right. I I had heard about

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00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: it many years ago. In fact, I remember reporting about

844
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: it almost twenty years ago at Saltwater Sportsman. But since then,

845
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: a couple of things have changed, right, people in general,

846
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: the next generation, maybe your generation, has gotten a lot

847
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: more eco friendly, and eco friendly alternatives to traditional burial

848
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: have gotten more and more trendy. Then you add in

849
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: the pandemic, which I guess made people think the entire

850
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: population of Earth was doomed, and reef ball memorials have surged.

851
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: In fact, Eternal Reefs says uh the number of annual

852
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: requests for information tripled during the pandemic. Right, so Eternal

853
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: Reef also has competition. Now there are other companies doing

854
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: the same thing. Matter of fact, according to the story,

855
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: and operation recently started doing this in the U k Um.

856
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: And it's not a simple startup because you need a

857
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: lot of government permits and permission to just go start

858
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: dumping things offshore. Right. You can't just run out there

859
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: in your in your boys boat. Um. But the guys

860
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: who run the operation over there say they are bombarded

861
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: by calls from folks looking to replicate the model. These

862
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: are people, Yeah, they want to get in on the

863
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: incorporating dead people into reef balls action. Personally, I've always

864
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: thought this was kind of cool, right, and and as

865
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: a man that has fished a lot of artificial reefs,

866
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm very much for them. And they certainly do work.

867
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, Carl, it's not just habitat. They give

868
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: corals and things places to cling to um and so

869
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: there's no denying that they create habitat and it's a

870
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: way to promote life after you're gone. And here's a

871
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: quote from the piece. You're providing structure for fish to

872
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: swim through and a place for plants to grow, said

873
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 1: seventy seven year old Janet Hawk of Indianapolis. My first

874
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: impression was that they were really ugly. Then I thought, oh,

875
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: it would be so nice to be down there with

876
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: little orange fish darting through the holes in my ball.

877
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: No reaction to you, I'm going to take the joke

878
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: there on. Sometimes there's just no sport in it. Man.

879
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: That was it was a useless quote that I threw

880
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: in there just for that, and you just huffed at

881
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: me anyway. But you know, it's even more trendy than

882
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: eco friendly alternatives to shift these days, super hardcore eco

883
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: people cutting down trendy eco friendly alternatives and telling you

884
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: why they're not actually that good for the I love

885
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: this game. Okay, so uh. In the story, according to

886
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: Rosie Inman Cook, manager of the Natural Death Center charity,

887
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: cremation is a disaster because she says, it releases of

888
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide into the atmosphere with each body. Furthermore, the

889
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: concrete manufacturing industry is responsible for eight percent of global

890
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: CEO two emissions. Okay, let me let me tell you

891
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: back to your chum, right, yeah, well, let me tell

892
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: you like the problem with her logic. You know, it

893
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: creates a lot more carbon dioxide people who are still alive.

894
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: You're right, So what's the alternative? Then you run up

895
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: the chum. I wasn't thinking that, but I mean, if

896
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: you think about it, what's what's more eco friendly? Is

897
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: an old school burial at sea? Right? Like if you

898
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: if you that also promotes and sustains life, does it not?

899
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: If you just weighed somebody down with sand in like

900
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: a biode garritable bag, the crabs would thrive and so

901
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: on and so forth. Um, anyway, I I still think

902
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: it's a neat idea despite the CEO two emissions, though,

903
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you I was thinking about this right.

904
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: If I did it, I wouldn't want my reef ball

905
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: dropped on a reef I'd asked to be dropped in

906
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: like a really popular lake cove in the middle of

907
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: the night, so it would just like snag the ship

908
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: out of lures and stuff. So like every time your

909
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: boys are there, they'd be like, God, damn it, Smelli

910
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: just got another asshole, or or like put it. Put

911
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: it somewhere really inconvenient, like where voters had to market

912
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: to know to avoid me. But then sit, I can

913
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: watch boats that weren't aware of me lose props and ship.

914
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: So like I'm creating habitat and laughter in death. Heyden,

915
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: can we sign you up for a reef ball? I'll

916
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 1: make sure it gets wherever he wanted to go? Yeah,

917
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean, um, gosh, do I have a lot of man,

918
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts about this. Man, I have

919
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: so many thoughts giself. You know, I'll tell you a

920
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: funny thing that I was thinking off air once we

921
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: once we stop this recording. Uh, They're welcome listeners. You

922
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: know what that is? Also like like do you know

923
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: what like the red tape around this is like primarily

924
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: is it just like creating structure. Does it have anything

925
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: to do with like the disposal of a body? No, no, no, no, no, no,

926
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: there's none, there's none of that there. There really is

927
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: no red tape, right. One thing I did not address though.

928
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: People are curious about a cost, so like a funeral

929
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: these days, you're looking at spending like ten grand on

930
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: a funeral, So you're looking at I think three to

931
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: six thousand to have yourself turned into a reef ball.

932
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: But there's there's no red tape. I mean they do

933
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: this alongside of organizations that build artificial reefs. So my

934
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: impression is that if you have one of these organizations

935
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: that has spent all the time and money cleaning you know,

936
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: twenty uh decommissioned subway cars, well it's like if they're

937
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: heading out and it and it lines out, like they'll

938
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: hang onto your reef ball in Florida and make sure

939
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: it gets to those people so that you end up

940
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: on the reef in your state or like where you

941
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: want to be. There's no red tape. People complaining yet,

942
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: like this is a dumb idea because of Ceo too.

943
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: You two can ride the subway for all of eternity. Um, right,

944
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: the you know what I want? I want when I die.

945
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: I would like to, uh what the ship is that

946
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: that stuff that they put Han Solo in in Star Wars.

947
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, real quick, Phil, Phil, We're gonna kick

948
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: it to Phil, Phil, Please let us know what the

949
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: stuff was that they put Han Solo in. Um, if

950
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: you feel like it. I would also love to know

951
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: if you were a reef ball, where should we drop you. Uh, well,

952
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: hold on a second, no no, no, no no, no, no no,

953
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you transition there because I need

954
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: to tell you my end game here. My end game

955
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: is I want to be preserved in that stuff, and

956
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: then I want to find like the most annoying tourist

957
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: snorkeling destination possible, and then I want them to preserve

958
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: my body in that take me out there and kind

959
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: of like just tuck me into the reef so I

960
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: can scare the ship out of tourist snorkelers as they're

961
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: trying to enjoy their holiday, preferably where a bunch of

962
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: little kids dive with their parents. That's good, but I

963
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: hate to break it to you. It's not that original.

964
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: They are underwater statues and things doing. Isn't there some

965
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: lake in Wisconsin where there's like a Jason vorhees at

966
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: you on the bottom where it I'm pretty sure I've

967
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: seen that. Unless it was a hoax, you're gonna have

968
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: to come up with something else. Man, Well, anyhow, make

969
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: cast out of mushrooms and something so you completely degrade

970
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: and then people can, like, you know, pick the bulllettes

971
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: where you died. Yeah, I want to just be buried

972
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: hole just in case there's like some weird caveat when

973
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: I get to heaven. Anyway, why don't we kick it

974
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: over to Phil Man. Yeah, we're gonna kick it over

975
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: and Phil now already tried to kick it over to Phil.

976
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: Uh Phil star wars reef balls. Um. Let us know

977
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: who won this week, would you? And when we've done

978
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: hearing with Phil, we've got a little sage lely wisdom

979
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: from the sultry lips of our bud river Horse. And

980
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: instead of talking about flies that won't work, this was

981
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: about one that probably worked a little too well. Joe,

982
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: Sir Mellie, you are the little orange fish swimming through

983
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: the holes in my ball. This week, you're the winner.

984
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: I think these reef balls are a rat idea. I

985
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: wanted to laugh at them at first, but then I

986
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: thought that I'm going to be that weird Disney adult

987
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: that gets his grandchildren apprehended by Disney security after they

988
00:54:55,120 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: scatter my ashes into the waters of Pirates of the Caribbean. Hey, now,

989
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: this is River Horse coming to you from the Deep

990
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: South with some sagely wisdom. Today's story is about a

991
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: big old mouse fly, but it's also about being a

992
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: lifelong learner, chasing your passions and not being afraid to

993
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: have some good old fashioned fun. Today's story is called

994
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: here Kitty Cat. There's fifty ft of seven eggs leading

995
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: from the red leather couch into the bedroom, and all

996
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: hell is about to break loose. She's in there, throwing

997
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: on a sundress and some boots for the day, as

998
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: angelic and stunningly beautiful and momentarily innocent as ever. I've

999
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: been testing endless variants of big gass mouse flies from

1000
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: lakes to rivers all over Texas for most of the summer.

1001
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: Even the supper table is covered with him. A rodent

1002
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: hat gone wild. I've got one of them tucked just

1003
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: under the dresser by her toes, ready for prime time.

1004
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: Once I gently start stripping the tippet, it's all about presentation.

1005
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: I pause for a few seconds and then get the

1006
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: mouse guet rolling along under her feet molasses slow and

1007
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: tantalizingly sweet. God damn it. Ribber horse comes the howl

1008
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: from the flank of the house. She storms into the

1009
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: front mouse number thirty eight, being strangled in her hand,

1010
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: flings open the bungalow door and lets it fly onto

1011
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: the lawn. Doesn't make it far getting stuck in the

1012
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: cactus other than me being in the doghouse until I

1013
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: make it up to her with white wine and steaks

1014
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: on the girl. There's no damage done since you have

1015
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: to clip the hook for these sort of fun tests.

1016
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: Life only makes sense to me when I chase all

1017
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: of the random and errant curiosities that have about the world,

1018
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: exploring and delving in and trying to seek the highest

1019
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: quality of whatever it is I'm into at the moment.

1020
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: The quintessential honey dripper toe curler mouse fly is my

1021
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: current self assignment. Even I sometimes wonder what gives fishing

1022
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: a mouse with sack and grace. Ain't rocket science. There

1023
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: are only a few things you have to do, including

1024
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: fire a cast with a double hull that takes no prisoners.

1025
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: About the only time I give a look seat of

1026
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: my back cast is when I'm mousing it up. And yes,

1027
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: I get an odd pleasure from seeing the fly cruising

1028
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: past ten feet off the water, those precious tiny ears

1029
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: pinned back hard, that tale, erect and proud, acting as

1030
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: a fuselage stable, Sir, Always land the mouse fly on

1031
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: something dirt, banks, tree limbs, lily pads, docks, floating logs,

1032
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: and sandbars. Strip them slower than slow, for you have

1033
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: nothing but time. Maybe begin with a few trembling whisker twitches,

1034
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: then a strange refried bean aftermath wobble mm hm, the

1035
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: old backfire too, and then make it happen with a

1036
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: big old disco inferno. Get that mouse on back to you,

1037
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: and don't forget to hang on tight for the wild eat.

1038
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: With time and continued derelict waterborne mouse misadventures, the experiments

1039
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: are finally whittled down to a last pair of mice types.

1040
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: After all these months in cast, two backyard brawlers have

1041
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: delivered the goods and done the most extensive damage to

1042
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: lone starfish. There is the mesmerizing wooly deer hair version,

1043
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: the size of a free range chicken, aptly monikered buck fever,

1044
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: and the massive pauper too odd hook called here Kitty,

1045
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: and he decide which one of these rodents wants the

1046
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: victory lap. For a long while, I'm uncertain until I

1047
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: get a wedding invitation in the mail for my buddy.

1048
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: One of my friends, you see, is an absolute A

1049
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: one certified dinghis He's the kind of guy that thinks

1050
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: he's sexier than sexy, but he's a good friend and

1051
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: we just deal with him. It seems like he's getting married.

1052
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: What a perfect place to bring the mouse flies and

1053
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: see what happens. I'm a very spiritual soul, and Mother

1054
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: Earth and Great Spirit are always in my life. But

1055
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: one of my favorite churches will always be the Water

1056
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: for Church. Today. I arrive at the wedding way early

1057
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: so I can set up the mice on long leaders

1058
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: and unleash it once the ceremony begins. They will even

1059
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: be video cameras rolland to record the whole event for

1060
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: mouse and wedding posterity. On my wedding invitation. I even

1061
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: take a sharpie marker and add river Horse plus two guests,

1062
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: Buck Fever and here Kitty, dearly beloved, and all lovers

1063
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: of wedded bliss and mouse flies, we are gathered here

1064
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: today to absolutely freak the heck out of the first

1065
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: twenty rows of people. And as the musician Prince once said,

1066
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: let's go crazy. Do you, buck Fever and here Kitty

1067
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: promised to unleash your steadfast love to all large mouth

1068
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: bass and full moon brown trout for eternity. With everyone

1069
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: finally at the altar and the wedding ceremony going full bloom,

1070
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: I know it's time I start stripping the mouse flies

1071
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: right to the feet of the bride and groom. It's

1072
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: on and that's our sagely wisdom for today. My friend

1073
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: is still at dinghis but he's found the love of

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: his life and maybe he'll forgive me someday. As for me,

1075
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: fishing mouse flies always rules. I found the best one here, Kitty.

1076
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: Let's always remember that in life. Don't take it all

1077
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: too seriously. Laughter is the sweetest medicine, my brothers and sisters,

1078
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: and there isn't much sweeter than a ten pound bass

1079
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: eating a mouse River horse Man. Haven't heard from him

1080
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: in a while. Kind of missed that, dude. This one

1081
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: hit home for me for two reasons. One because I

1082
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: love mousing for trout, that's an obvious one, but also

1083
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: because I actually tried to do something similar once but

1084
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: was halted for fear of hr disciplinarian. And and this

1085
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: was way back when the live target Field Mouse first

1086
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: came out. Hollow body Lord. Yeah, it's a hollow it's

1087
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: like a hollow body frog, but it's a mouse um

1088
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: and man like it's it is incredibly realistic. At the time,

1089
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: it was like mind blowing how much this thing looked

1090
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: like a little mouse, just like sitting there poised um.

1091
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: At the time, I was still working in New York

1092
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: City in the in the UH for Field and Stream

1093
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: when they still had their offices there, and I wanted

1094
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: to put it in the break room and set up

1095
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: a hit on camera and just let it roll for

1096
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: social media. But my boss was like, that is funny

1097
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: as shit, but hell no, absolutely not, because like you know,

1098
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: like old margin accounting would walk in and have a

1099
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: heart attack or somethin And there was also the whole

1100
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: like filming people unaware. Yeah, well, I'll tell me you're

1101
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: not really supposed to do that. I'll tell you what,

1102
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: there's no one in the office listen to the Bent

1103
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: podcast anyhow, I'm gonna do that and you can vicariously through.

1104
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: Did you ever tell you about my mouse pattern? No, yep,

1105
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty good. It was a it

1106
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: was a let me think about this. You tied it

1107
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: on a streamer hook, right, and the tail you use

1108
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: one of those squirmy wormy like in pink, and then

1109
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: you would also tie those in for the feet. So

1110
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: the first thing you do is you'd wrap the hook

1111
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: down and thread tie in the tail, and then you

1112
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: tie into each individual feet by just making like an

1113
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: inch long section, crossing it across the hook shank in

1114
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: two spots, and then you'd have like you know, like

1115
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: the foot and the tail out. Then you'd take a

1116
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: zonker strip and you'd wrap it all the way around

1117
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: right um. And then what you would do is you

1118
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: would take a little beasts of foam like what you

1119
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: use for like a chubby or whatever, and you make

1120
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: your ears with it. And then you would take a

1121
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: bass or like a like a sunny um foam like

1122
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, like one of those popper bodies. Yeah, yeah,

1123
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: actually you would. You would put that on first. Sorry,

1124
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: you put that on first, like you were doing it

1125
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: as a bead head, but you put it in reverse,

1126
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: so it was like a cone pointing towards the eye

1127
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: of the hook. It's a sneaky beat style head slider head.

1128
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: And what was cool about that pattern is like the

1129
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: because it was squirmy wearing material, the tail and the

1130
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: feet would be like have like a ton of action

1131
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: in them. And because you didn't have any foam towards

1132
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: the back, it would kind of sit lower in the

1133
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: water towards the back end, so it would look like

1134
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: how a mouse swims. And then those foam ears you

1135
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: could use that is kind of like a little poper.

1136
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: It would displace a bunch of water um, you know.

1137
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: So so to bring this full circle Man to tie

1138
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: a couple of those and mousing is something that I

1139
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: absolutely want to do, hopefully when I come visit this summer.

1140
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: I do have a pretty good idea of where I

1141
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: might pitch some ice around here, but you'll have to

1142
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: share some spots when I come back east Man, which

1143
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: leads perfectly into this week's installment of the bent helpline,

1144
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: where we'll discuss when it is and it's not okay

1145
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: to share fishing in funk? What are you laughing at, Marktini?

1146
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: You're not an idiot, You're not a gamblooning. How more,

1147
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:39,959
Speaker 1: you're a fisherman. What's your emerging tee? So here's one

1148
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: via the instagrams from at Blue Water Johnny. Okay, uh,

1149
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: this is this is this is gonna be an interesting one.

1150
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to hear your take on this. So

1151
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: so here's what he writes. He says, so, what do

1152
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: you do when you get called into an insane bite

1153
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: by some guys, you know, something that's on the dead

1154
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: down low and lasts for weeks. But you get told

1155
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: by the guys let's call them crew A, that you

1156
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: can't tell anyone. You go and smash them on their advice.

1157
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: Then your boys ask, hey, man, what yep to catching Annie?

1158
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: You kind of have to lie to your bros or

1159
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: burn crew a. What would Bent do? This is a

1160
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: dilemma of biblical proportions sort of maybe yeah, kind of? Well,

1161
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: I honestly, man, I think it's like pretty cut and dry, dude.

1162
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're gonna go hit that bite. Man Um,

1163
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: you pretty much just have to like not tell folks

1164
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: where you were. You can tell them like maybe if

1165
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: it's a for instance, if somebody was like, hey, man Um,

1166
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: I saw you like banging them on cough and flies

1167
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: the other day. Uh where you know what's up with that?

1168
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: You can we go do that? I would be like, uh, man,

1169
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: I I can't really take you to like where I

1170
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: was because like that's like something my buddies showed me,

1171
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: and you know, they told me to kind of keep

1172
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: it on the hush hush, but I will tell you that,

1173
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: like it's kind of going off on like the West

1174
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: Branch of the Delaware, And I also listeners for all

1175
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: these examples, I always use the West Branch of the

1176
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: Delaware because like yeah, yeah, yeah, like you know, it's

1177
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: a large trout from New York Pennsylvania probably there, you

1178
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean in the summertime, millions of bugs

1179
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: coming off. Yeah. I mean. So this is a tougher

1180
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: one for me because, as I've joked before, like I

1181
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: barely have one solid set of fishing friends, let alone

1182
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: too that might conflict you know what I'm saying, Like

1183
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: where one would be worried about the other one was doing. Um,

1184
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: but I will say I am. I'm extremely loyal with

1185
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. If you if you show me something,

1186
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: uh great example, I got let in this summer to

1187
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: Sheep's Head in New Jersey. That's a thing. It's like

1188
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: getting more and more popular. But the guys who were

1189
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: good at it, they don't talk about it. And I

1190
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: knew one guy and I pestered him until finally he

1191
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 1: was like yes, And I realized that he was going

1192
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: to give me like three years worth of of hard

1193
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: work and knowledge in one shot. Hang on, shut that

1194
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: dog up. My wife's yelling at me because she's on

1195
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: a meeting too. Anyway, Anyway, what were we saying something

1196
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: about fishing, fishing, Yeah, yeah, okay. So so I realized that, like,

1197
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: this dude is about to show me in a few

1198
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: short hours what took him years and seasons to dial

1199
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: in in one shot. And we had a great day

1200
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: and we took very strategic photos downward into the boat.

1201
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: So you saw nothing. And I've been asked a million

1202
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: times under no circumstances of my giving that up, like

1203
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: I will not do that. So you know, I I

1204
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm very respectful of that, but to your point you

1205
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: sort of hinted at it. Um, you can't be just

1206
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: like a total jerk about it. But if you're if

1207
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: you're doing this in one specific area, I might say

1208
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: the river or be like, hey it's on man, get

1209
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: out there and explore, like the whole river is on

1210
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: fire right now, dude, just get out there and and

1211
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: check it out. The other thing that you could do

1212
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: is just be like straight up honest with your with

1213
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: your secondary buddies i e. Not Group A. You just go, yeah, man,

1214
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean we had a really good day and like, dude,

1215
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: it is on fire like in A. But you know

1216
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: you can give them like a general area again, but

1217
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: you can't. But just be honest, Just be like, but

1218
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: the person who took me really asked me not to

1219
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: tell anybody, so like, I just can't. I'm really sorry,

1220
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: and they're gonna give you like the sheepish look like

1221
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: a bit. Come on, bro, you just stick to it, man,

1222
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: Just be like no really, because then you know, even

1223
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, your buddies and Group B will have

1224
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 1: enough trust in you to take you to their spots

1225
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: because if there's one thing they know about, you know,

1226
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 1: it's not where you call it that giant brown trout.

1227
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: But it said if you get a good spot, you

1228
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: keep it on the download exactly. And that is that

1229
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: is worth so much in fishing because another question he

1230
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: could have asked, which might have even been a better question,

1231
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: is what do you do when you take a buddy

1232
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: to a spot and say, don't tell anybody, and then

1233
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: show up in that spot and he is there with

1234
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: someone else that you don't know? What do you do? Then?

1235
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: I am lucky and that I have never you believe,

1236
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: I have never had that happen to me. Though I

1237
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: have had people call me up and be like, hey,

1238
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: can I go to this spot with so and so?

1239
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm like I'd prefer you didn't, and sometimes

1240
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: depending on the spot, I'm like, yeah, go ahead. But

1241
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 1: they had the courtesy to reach out and be like

1242
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: that spot you showed me, I would like to take

1243
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: my friend, Brian. Is that okay? Hey? I will say

1244
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 1: this though, uh strong chance if y'all send some comments

1245
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: about what you would do to that friend if if

1246
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: you showed up and he was in a spot you

1247
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: said not to be at with somebody else. I just

1248
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: want to know, like, what your reaction would be, would

1249
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: there be whips, chains, just fists, just words? What would

1250
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: you do? Um? Let us know and keep those questions

1251
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: coming to Bent at the Meat Eater dot com. Maybe

1252
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: we'll answer them right here on the ben helpline. So

1253
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. If you were about to

1254
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: unleash that streamer you thought was original to the masses,

1255
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: sorry if we squashed your hopes and dreams, but I

1256
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: would like to say thanks again to Brian Schmidt for

1257
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: joining us. Also, I'll reiterate that if you prefer to

1258
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: deliver your rodents on a swim bait rod instead of

1259
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: a fly rod, look him up. He makes badass giant

1260
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: rats in umbrella rig of rats. Also look us up.

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Speaker 1: Keep sending those sale bin items, bar nominations, questions, and

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Speaker 1: awkward photos to Bent at the Meat Eater dot com

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Speaker 1: and keep using those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtag

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Speaker 1: so we can see what you got going on. Yes,

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Speaker 1: please do. And finally, keep in mind that ranting about

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Speaker 1: spot burns just raises your blood pressure and that's not good.

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Speaker 1: Just choose the healthier option, take out a bankload, and

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Speaker 1: just buy the entire river so we don't have to

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Speaker 1: listen to you anymore. Take your own advice joke