1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome in 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: to our Wednesday morning podcast. Zach Taylor, coach to the 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: Bengals around the Corner, never talked to him. Excited to 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts here before we get into it. 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: Not that I'm cynical, but I tend to look at 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: what things can't do before what they can do. And 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. When Zoom came out right, 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: we go into a pandemic and everybody loves Zoom, and 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: I bought some early stock and then I sold it 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: and I don't even know what the stock price is. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: And everybody looked at it and thought, oh my god, 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: I can work remotely. I don't have to leave the house. 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: And my takeaway is, yeah, but it can't give me 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: perfect audio like having coffee at Starbucks. It's impersonal. It 19 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: goes in and out. You become very tech dependent. And 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: the other thing is about Zoom is I like to 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: leave the house. People gain weight during the pandemic because 22 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: they didn't leave the house. When I go to work 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: every day at Fox, I'm moving around. I'm walking between breaks, 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to the bathroom, I'm grabbing a coffee, I'm moving, 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: I'm walking upstairs like zoom. Culture is not terribly healthy, 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: and it can be maddeningly frustrating. Same thing with bitcoin. 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: People look, oh, what it can do, make me rich. 28 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I look at it and say, what it can't do? 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: Buy me a car tomorrow. I'll put a little money 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: in bitcoin, and I think cryptocurrency has a future. But 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: what it can't do is buy me things tomorrow, and 32 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm not interested right now. I've always said this about 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. It's what he can't do that limit Kevin Stefanski. 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: You can't give him forty five to fifty throws a day. 35 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: He's got poor judgment. He plays with a cockiness that 36 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: can be detrimental. You can't have a average to below 37 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: average offensive line and win with them. So far, he 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: can't work well with OBJ. I know he can throw, 39 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: but what he can't do is why I could never 40 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: give him the bank. I just think too often we 41 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: look at the cans without realizing the can'ts are what 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: limit people limit, companies limit quarterbacks. Something else I think 43 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: about sometimes is media literacy. I tell when I speak 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: to college kids or high school kids or young broadcasters, 45 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I say, don't fall into the con of Twitter. Do 46 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: not let Twitter run your show. Only twenty two percent 47 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: of the people are on it. There's a big con 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: and Twitter. And that's one of the differences between ESPN 49 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: and Fox. ESPN is overwhelmingly always been run by Disney, 50 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: a massive corporate entity, and so Disney executives at Disney 51 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: played it safe. Fox's different. It's run by a family, 52 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: a very entrepreneurial family, the Murdochs, very willing to put 53 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: their arms around risk. It's not run by social media. 54 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: And I think one of the reasons that Fox is 55 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: a much better run company than ESPN because ESPN too often, 56 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: in my experience, fell for the con of Twitter. What's 57 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: popular on Twitter is not popular. Good executives to trust 58 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: their instincts and hire people they think are good, not 59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: who Twitter tells them is good. I'll give you a 60 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: great example. During the presidential election, it's much more popular 61 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: to say ah, Beta rooric is going to be president, 62 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: AOC going to be president mayor Pete's going to be president. 63 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: You don't get any likes saying yeah, Joe Biden's going 64 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: to win by a landslide or the election before Hillary 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Clinton's gonna win, or at least win the Democratic nomination, 66 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: because it's not popular to say the old guy's gonna win. 67 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: I saw this with quarterbacks this year. It was much 68 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: more popular to say Justin Fields over Andy Dalton. Justin 69 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: Fields is completely over a skis and shouldn't be playing. 70 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. Play him now, he's terrible. Trey Lance, forget Garoppolo. 71 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: Trey Lance is so unprepared that even on Monday night 72 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: in a monsoon, when you would have been better off 73 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: of the running quarterback and Garoppolo was playing terribly, the 74 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: coaches wouldn't put him in. It's the con of Twitter. 75 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: I see people get fired in my industry and they'll trend, 76 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: oh loved you, you were the best. And I always think, well, 77 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: if one eighth of those people consumed your content, you'd 78 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: still have a job. It's the con of Twitter. Twitter 79 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: wants new. Twitter pushes back on Andy Dalton. Start the 80 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: old quarterback never forget Patrick Mahomes sat for a year. Oh, 81 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: it's interesting. That worked pretty well, didn't it. It's okay 82 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: if you have a competent, veteran quarterback, you would always 83 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: have an Alex Smith level player start over a young quarterback. 84 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: Most young quarterbacks, unless they're stars, they're going to be overwhelmed. 85 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: But it's the con of Twitter. Nobody wants to hear 86 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: the incumbent is going to win, the old quarterback is better, 87 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: or the reason that media person lost their gig and 88 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: we're already popular they had no following. Don't be fooled 89 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: by it. My old company was, my new company isn't so. 90 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: Third topic, Mike Tomlin is not going to get the 91 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: USC job, Jeff Fisher is not going to get the 92 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: USC job, and Pete Carroll's not going to get the 93 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: USC job. I have talked to Mike Bone on multiple occasions, 94 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: sometimes at length. I have only said, please consider professional coaches. 95 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson would be my first choice. Former Philadelphia Eagles 96 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: coach Andy Reid disciple, very smart, offensive guy. The answer 97 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: or solution to your problem is almost never in the past, 98 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: is almost aways in the future. For years and years, 99 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: I grew up in the Pacific Northwest and the University 100 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: of Washington kept hiring people who had a connection to 101 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: the great Don James. They all failed, all of them, Lambright, 102 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: Keith Gilbertson, they all failed Alabama for years, anybody that 103 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: had a connection to Paul bear Bryant, and they mostly 104 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: failed USC. There's a reason Pete Carroll worked. He had 105 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: been fired twice. It was considered a terrible hire. He 106 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: had something to prove, and at fifty one, he's still 107 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: had his energy. If you hired Pete Carroll today, he 108 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: is seventy, will be seventy one soon, He's already rich. 109 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: He's already won a national title in college. He doesn't 110 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: have a real connection to a lot of young, progressive 111 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: offensive coaches that would take that job. And football has changed. Hell, 112 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: Pete looks outdated offensively with Russell Wilson. What's it going 113 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: to look like with a college coach. So often, because 114 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: we have these deep, impactful memories of our childhood or 115 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: great times in our life, we go backwards to find 116 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: the solution. The solution for USC is to find the 117 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: next great young coach. That's what the Rams did with 118 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. That's what the Packers did with Matt Lafleur. 119 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: That's what the Bengals did with Zach Taylor. There's great 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: coaches out there. It's nothing against Marvin Lewis. He's a 121 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: defensive coach. He's in his mid sixties. He's not the 122 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: answer for your NFL team, folks. The game has changed dramatically. 123 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher, Pete Carroll are dinosaurs offensively? I like both. 124 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: That's not the answer, all right. Zach Taylor, third year 125 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: as a head coach, first place in the AFC North, 126 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: which is just crazy. I picked him for last What 127 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: do I know? Nothing? Absolutely nothing? So Zach, third year 128 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Zach to first year, Zach, if you coached against you 129 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: in week one or two, because this has always been 130 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: a process. I mean, first of all, culturally the game changes, 131 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: like if you coached against you, what is something you 132 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: can really put your stamp on it, Zach and go boy. 133 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: This is something I've gotten better at. Situational awareness, you know, 134 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: just just managing a game in all three phases. I 135 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: mean things as simple as time win and not burn 136 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: it time out, which I probably did a couple of 137 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: times my first year. I remember the first game at Seattle, 138 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: my first ever game at Seattle Red Zone. On a 139 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: third and goal from the fifteen, we burnt the time out. 140 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: Your your percentages of scoring a touchdown there very low, 141 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, So just things like those are I've paid 142 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: a lot of attention to mistakes I made the first year. 143 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: During games, I write them all down and make sure 144 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: I look at them constantly to not make the same 145 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: mistake twice. Those are the things we ask our players 146 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: to do, you know. So it's no different from me 147 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: trying to learn from from things that I got to 148 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: grow from as well. You know, I talked to Lane 149 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: Kiffin once about this when he first got, you know, 150 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: a raider's job or a usc job, and there was 151 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: a sense that, man, these are great jobs. You don't 152 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: get a lot of second and third chances, and it 153 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: was hard to relinquish some play calling power because you're like, 154 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: you have one of the thirty two best jobs in 155 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: the world in my opinion. When you're a young coach, 156 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: how do you have the confidence to go, hey, I 157 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: trust a play caller and not be you know, Lane 158 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: had told me a couple of times, it's it's hard. 159 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: You you want not to meddle, but you realize your 160 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: career is at stake on every game. Yeah, I mean, 161 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, I called the poison offense, and so part 162 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: of that process is relying on Brian Callahan over the 163 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: course of the week because there's a lot of things 164 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: that do pull me away from the process, you know, 165 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: whether it's personnel issues or discipline issues and things where 166 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: I can't just always devote all my time to get 167 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: the game plan ready. So I rely on Brian Callahan 168 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: and Frank Paul and the other offense. They do tremendous job. 169 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes they have to catch me up to speed, you know, 170 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday like this, and here's some thoughts that 171 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: they had and I got to get on board with it, 172 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: and then we just we just get together over the 173 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: course of the week, and it's been seamless. We kind 174 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: of share a brain in a lot of regards, we 175 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: think the same way, and it's just been a fun 176 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: evolution of our process over three years. When was the 177 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: first time you saw Joe Burrow and what was your 178 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: initial impression. Probably the first time I heard the name 179 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: was he was considering going to Cincinnati, the University of 180 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: Cincinnati before we went to LSUE. That's probably the first 181 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: time the name popped up. I've known his dad for 182 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: a long time. I knew Dan and Jamie Burrow, his 183 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: two brothers that played to Nebraska. I didn't know that 184 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: there was a Joe Borrow that existed, you know, until 185 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: until really he transferred Ellish you and then he became 186 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: part of the draft process, and that was really the 187 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: first time he ever came on my radar. But but 188 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: I've known his family because they're all Nebraska homes and 189 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: they went to Nebraska and as brothers graduated right before me. 190 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: So I've known the Borough family for a long time. Yeah, 191 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: my daughter sat next to him in Baltimore this weekend, 192 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: she went to the game. Bizarre I said it. I 193 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: actually said it to Joe, and I'm because I d 194 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: m him once in a while to wish him well. 195 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: And in the process of drafting him, when you're sitting 196 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: down there with your general manager and the Brown family, 197 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: what could you share with them about the family before 198 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: meeting Joe, to say, like, you have to draft this guy. Well, 199 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know Joe as well obviously, so 200 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: I had a hard time speaking to him. But just 201 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: son of a coach, you know, and so you do 202 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: your research Okay, what does that mean? Does that mean 203 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: he's a football junkie? He grew up in her stands 204 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: the game and he's got that edge to him, you 205 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: know that you need to have and those are those 206 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: are some of the qualities that he did have once 207 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: we got to know him. So um, you know, just 208 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: just it's a tremendous family. You can see why Joe 209 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: is the way he is and we're really lucky to 210 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: have him. Yeah, he has kind of a Brady and 211 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: comparing anybody to Brady is not great, but there is, um. 212 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: You know, Jay Glazer always said there's a little bit 213 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: of an unhealthy obsession with successful people, whether it be 214 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: if I'm a broadcaster, you're in tac or you're a 215 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: football player. That I was talking to Mark Sanchez today 216 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: and he goes, oh god, Joe loves football. Joe loves football. 217 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: He likes the process, he likes practice. In your years 218 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: of coaching players, that's not true with everybody. Some guys 219 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: don't love it as much, Zach. I mean, if I 220 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: said to you, Joe loves it, what percentage of players 221 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: in your coaching experience live for it like a Joe. 222 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: He's uh, he's he's a little bit differ that way. 223 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: You know, he's got the right edge to him. And 224 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people do just love what football brings 225 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: to their life. They don't necessarily love everything. They're talented 226 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: and it's what's expected of them, and they're good at it, 227 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: and they love the things that brings. Joe from my 228 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: time around him, he's obsessed with the process. You know, 229 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: every little detail, and you know it's never perfect for him, 230 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: which is great. That's where you want from your starting quarterback. 231 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: And and it just trickles down to the entirety of 232 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: the team. Everyone's got so much confidence in them. They 233 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: don't want to let him down because he's going to 234 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: put himself to be in a position to be ready. 235 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: And in his teammates you can just get that sense 236 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: they don't want to let him down, and that's the 237 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: standard that we're looking for. Can you get in his 238 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: ear during a game, you know you'll hear these legendary stories, Hey, 239 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: we drew it up in the sand, or we did 240 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: a little wiggle, we never practiced. Are you comfortable now 241 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: occasionally going to a space like that. We're in a 242 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: game situationally you like try this, or he offers his 243 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: opinion to you similarly to do a little wiggle. Maybe 244 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: that it's off script. Absolutely, you know, we just have 245 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: to make sure it's sound. It's probably been times over 246 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: the two years where we've gotten to him and I just, hey, 247 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: are you comfortable with this? If we did this, can 248 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: you see it? You feel good about it? And that's 249 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: one thing that I do admire about Joey's He's very 250 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: honest and he's not one of those guys who's just 251 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: gonna yes, hear you to death because you think that's 252 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: the answer you want. He'll be very honest. I don't understand. 253 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I don't like that. 254 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: Please do this, and that's the communication I want. You know, 255 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: he's an extension of our coaching staff. It is different 256 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: when you're talking to a quarterback. At times. 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In etiquette, 309 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: you know that to me is a fascinating relationship. I 310 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: mean that you I've seen it without our quarterback comes over. 311 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: A coach is like, you tell me what you see 312 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks, you know, due to the hash 313 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: marks college to pro it takes them a while to 314 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: see the entire field. Could you tell that Joe could 315 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: see it from his film at LSU? Did or did it? 316 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: Did it take him time at practice, because take me 317 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: and the people listening to this, I think a lot 318 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: of people they just don't realize that's not a natural 319 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: innate thing to be able to have somebody running at 320 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: you and you can see four different receivers. Give me 321 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: the process for Joe on that when he saw it, 322 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: why he's so good at it, and when you first 323 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: recognized it. Well, I think for Joe, whether it's naturally 324 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: or it came about it in high school, he's just 325 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: got such a high football que it makes sense to him. 326 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: Just seeing something for the first time makes sense. It's happening. 327 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: And so Joe playing in college, you know the system 328 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: that they were in. Joe Brady came from the Saints. 329 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: There was a lot of NFL concept, so there was 330 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot of full field progressions. You needed to understand 331 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: the coverage and then understand how the concept attacked it. 332 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: And so you could see that on tape how quickly 333 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: it was going to translate to what we do because 334 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of cross over there with the West 335 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: Coast offense. And so we had a good feeling just 336 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: from watching his tape, watching his sixteen games or whatever 337 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: he played. And then interviewing him, you could tell, hey, 338 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: this guy's got it. He'll quickly pick it up. Our 339 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: first training camp, you know, was the COVID training camp. 340 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: He had no offseason, and he hit the ground running 341 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: when we put the pads on, and you could just 342 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: tell this guy's going to be special right from the 343 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: get go. There's a fine line, and I see it 344 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: with Burrow. There's a fun I don't know if the 345 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: words cockiness, but it's really likable, like I like him. 346 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: I think that means something. I'm not going to mention names, 347 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: but there have been quarterbacks who are cocky and I 348 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: just I'm like, I don't I don't know, find like them. 349 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: I watched Brady and Peyton, Manning and Eli last night 350 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: on TV give each other crap. All of them I 351 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: found incredibly likable. I mean, like, like, even in there, 352 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: as Peyton was digging into Tom, I'm laughing. It's like 353 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: a comedy act there. There's something about Joe to me, 354 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to reach here, but there's a likable. 355 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: There's a likability about him and I don't know what. 356 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means or how it manifests 357 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: itself on the field, but I see it in all 358 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: of his interviews. What am I seeing? You're seeing a 359 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: guy that really doesn't care what other people think, and 360 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: so he doesn't feel like he's got to put on 361 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: an act to impress people just because he's in the spot, right, 362 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: He's just a joe and that's just his personality. He's 363 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: confident because he puts on the work and uh, you 364 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: know he doesn't run from that. Yeah, he's got the 365 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: right edge to him. But but I just think that 366 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: the most important thing is he's not out there to 367 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: impress people. He's just he just wants to be one 368 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: of the guys. He's a guy that works already, plays 369 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: ball in the field, and he's just himself and and 370 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: you know that's that's a that's a cool thing to 371 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: be around. You guys went and got a wide receiver, 372 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: not an offensive lineman, and it was you know, it 373 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: was a mixed reaction. I mean, I love the draft, 374 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: but there's no right answers. The greatest coaches of whift 375 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: on first round picks. It's hard. It's it's not science 376 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: here at all. Take me back to the discussions, because 377 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: it was obviously a great move and Jamar's amazing Joe 378 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: was vocal about it, verbal about it. This guy's unbelievable. 379 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Was that a long decision? Was it? Was it something 380 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: you went back and forth on that? I mean, take 381 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: me to the process of that. Yeah, there's a lot 382 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: of discussions. You know, you only had to pick five 383 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: players because we were picking fifth, so you didn't need 384 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: to have a conversation about thirty guys. You know, you 385 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: knew it was going to be one of the five 386 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: and there's a couple quarterbacks that we're going to come 387 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: off the board, So we took our time. There was 388 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: no need to make a decision before April hit. You know, 389 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: we were going to use all three months of it. 390 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: But the most important thing is we need to be 391 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: more explosive. You know, the relationship with him and Joe 392 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: weighed into it a little bit. That wasn't a deciding factor. 393 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: We need to be more explosive. Having a great explosive 394 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: receiver helps your offensive line as well. So not only 395 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: does it help your quarterback only to help your offensive blind, 396 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: always help your defense because you can score more points 397 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: and take some of the pressure off of them. So 398 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you look at a 399 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: lot of championship offenses that have had stellar quarterbacks, and 400 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them had had three really good receivers 401 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: and defenses couldn't hone in on them. And so that's 402 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: that's our point of attack. It's put a lot of 403 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: weapons out there. And I mean, you look at Jamar 404 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: Chase's eighty or a touchdown the other day was a 405 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: slant route. That's a quick game alignment. Don't have to 406 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: protects very long, and I don't have to call any 407 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: extravagant play. I called a slant flat for eighty yards. 408 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't get much easier than that. And 409 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: so you know, we're obviously very happy with the decision. 410 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 1: Seven of the eight divisions right now are led by 411 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the division. Two weeks ago, fourteen 412 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: of fourteen, the best quarterbacks would have won if Josh 413 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: Allen didn't slip on a fourth and inches foot Quarterbacks 414 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: always been important, There's no question about it, Zach. But 415 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: it does feel, like Tom Brady told me yesterday, he said, 416 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: some times, the league feels like a skills game, a 417 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: skills competition because receiver and quarterback. You know the safety rules. 418 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: Now every receiver can go over the middle it used 419 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: to be everybody had, you know, Michael Irvin, you go 420 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: over the middle rest of the guys up the sideline. 421 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, when you go into drafting now, 422 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: because the receiver and quarterback are so valuable. I mean, 423 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: if it's a coin flip on personnel, do you just 424 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: now go more than ever for the skill player over 425 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: the lineman or is that oversimplifying it? For me, that's 426 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: oversimplifying it. You know. It's it's you're based on the value, 427 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: you're basing it on the need. There's a combination of 428 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: as it comes down to the draft, so it's not 429 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: always as simple as that. But but again, when you 430 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: pick the fifth pick, you know, we knew we needed 431 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: another weapon, and we had a sense that Jamar would 432 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: be there, and so that settled it for us. But 433 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: we certainly had a long lengthding conversations and people gave 434 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: the pros and the cons to it. You know, we 435 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: made sure we don't just settle in on a guy 436 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: and this is going to be great. There's a lot 437 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: of people who do a great job presenting the other 438 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: side of the argument in the room. We need all 439 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: that to make a third decision, you know, Zach when 440 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: in the middle of last week's game, you guys had 441 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: a great second half. And I think one of the things, 442 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: as somebody that loves football, you get about fifteen minutes, 443 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, offense veers off to the right, the defense 444 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: to the left. You obviously made some tweaks and they 445 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: were wildly successful. And I always think to myself, you know, man, 446 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: what did you go to the chalkboard? What is Zach doing? 447 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: If you could now in retrospect without giving away secrets, 448 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: something you clicked something at halftime? What was it against 449 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: the Ravens. That's really been our m of the whole season. 450 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: We've come out strong. I don't know what our numbers 451 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: are coming out the second half, but we've we've scored 452 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: on ding there every every time we got in the 453 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: ball in the third quarter and in the first half 454 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: as well, and so it's more just a matter of 455 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: the first half getting into a rhythm. You know. We 456 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: we've shot ourselves in the foot sometimes some some short 457 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: yardage situations where we feel like when we just get 458 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: that first first down, we really get rolling at score points. 459 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: And so I think a lot as made of these 460 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: adjustments that happened a halftime, we're just going back through 461 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: the call sheet. We have a better sense of what 462 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: we're seeing from the other team, and we're just pulling 463 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: plays that maybe we haven't called yet, maybe some things 464 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: we've made mistakes on him the first half that we 465 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: can get back to and just clean up. And so 466 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: it's you know, there's no extravagant twelve minute conversation that 467 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: we're having in there. It happens pretty quick, and we're 468 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: at the point now where we've got so much confidence 469 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: in our guys on offense. These are things that we've 470 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: wrepped a lot. We're not putting in a lot of 471 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: new stuff. We got a lot of stuff in our 472 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: arsenal and our guys responding really well to it. Going 473 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: back to Sean McVeigh, you're obviously a very sharp guy, 474 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: but you know, when you're around somebody that is you know, 475 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: he's really verbal, he's really quick, he's really good with people. 476 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: If I said to you, you know, give me something. 477 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you obviously had a point of view on 478 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: how to coach football, but is there one thing you 479 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: took from Sean that you look at and go, yeah. 480 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean I always say, you know, the old Tony 481 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: Bennett's legendary singer. He always says, steal from everybody. It's 482 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: called research. If you steal from one guy's you're a thief. 483 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: So take stuff from everybody. Give me a little bit 484 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: of your influences. Let's start with McVeagh and Nick Saban 485 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: always credits Don James from Washington, the legendary old defensive 486 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: football coach. I mean, he says, like his practice schedule, 487 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: I took it. Give me some Sean stuff and other 488 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: influences in your life. Absolutely, that's a tremendous question I 489 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: would saying. For Sean, he always has a great understanding 490 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: what's going on around the league. You know a lot 491 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: of times before I'd gotten with Sean, it's very singularly 492 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: focused on the opponent that week. Sean's got a broad 493 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: vision of what's going on around the league and how 494 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: people are attacking. He's always attacking. That's his mentality is 495 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm always trying to attack and get explosive plays. And 496 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: then the third thing I would say is just is 497 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: how he empowers and the people in the building and 498 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: makes you feel valued. You know, whatever role you're in, 499 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: you feel like you are a part of the success 500 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: and and he does a great job making you feel 501 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: like you're a part of it even when maybe you're not, 502 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: you know. And so that just speaks to Sean as 503 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: the person and how he gets so much out of 504 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: his staff, and you've seen so many people leave onto 505 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, bigger roles, and it's because he just instills 506 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in people, and you believe in 507 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: exactly what they're doing there in LA and so it's 508 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: easy to go to go and take it somewhere else 509 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: and have success. Um. You know. The other influence in 510 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: my life I coached for my father in law's Mike Sherman, 511 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: and I think the thing that the number one thing 512 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: I learned from him was just always be honest with 513 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: your players, you know. And sometimes it feels like it's harsh, 514 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: but they respect that honesty. They may not in that moment, 515 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: but they will weeks later, or years later, or months later, 516 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: whatever it is. But he was always very honest and 517 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: I know that the players appreciated that, and so I've 518 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: tried to take that from him. And then you know, 519 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: my junior college go to who has since passed away. 520 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: His name was Aaron Porez, used my office coordinator I 521 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: transferred from Wake Force. I was a skinny kid. I 522 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: had no talent, I was weak. I didn't have a 523 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: lot of confidence. I wasn't playing a Wake Force. I 524 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: go to this junior college and he just he made 525 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: me believe in myself. And I remember I threw an 526 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: interception in a championship game and he took the responsibility. 527 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: I shouldn't call that play. It was a stupid play call. 528 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: It's not your fault. And that's the first time I've 529 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: ever heard that. You know, it's not my fault. I'm 530 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I threw the ball, and that has stuck 531 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: with me every day I've coached. You know, there's sometimes 532 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: a quarterback call throw. Picking's not his fault, and I 533 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: might have put him in a bad spot. I'll tell 534 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: him when it's his fault, but there's other times there's 535 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: things that happened where we just got to put that 536 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: behind us and move on and and those guys don't 537 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: have to feel the pressure of all. Man, i'mde a 538 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: huge mistake. No you didn't, you know, as a stupid call, 539 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: or they the corner made a great play and let's 540 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: move on and learn from that. So you know, I've 541 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: had a lot of great mentors in my life, and 542 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: there's just a couple that I can name. Tell me 543 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: the last time you made a call with Burrow and 544 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: as you said it and you gave it to Joe, 545 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: you thought, that's jus. Do you doubt you're I mean, god, Zach, 546 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: you got eight seconds here. You can't You've had to 547 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: have given a call and thought, the hell am I doing? 548 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't like this? Yeah. Yeah, I won't get specific 549 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: into the last game, but there was one in the 550 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: last game, for sure. You know that I was. I 551 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: was pretty bad at myself. There was one last year 552 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: we scored a touchdown on it. I called a quarterback 553 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: sneak on on a third and one, and he got 554 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: under center and just started chicking his head. He didn't 555 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: like the look. So then I'm stuck, you know. So 556 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: he's kind of just standing there and I give him 557 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: a different call and it ends up being a thirty 558 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: yard touchdown and run. But that was a moment like, Okay, 559 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: I can read your body language out there on the field. 560 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: You don't like this, so let's get to something else 561 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: as quickly as we can. You talked about play calling, Zach, 562 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: do you I mean because I when you say body language, 563 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: I saw Dan Campbell this weekend do something I really liked. 564 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: They something happened. There was a special teams play at work, 565 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: and he literally went to each as a coach because 566 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: he's not play calling. He went to each player individual 567 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: and it was like, I love that, and he looked 568 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: all of them in the eye. That balance of play 569 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: calling and head coaching, it's I mean, it's real personal 570 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: in the sideline. I mean, you know that you have 571 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: a bad drive. These are twenty four year old guys. 572 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: They lose confidence. Is give me the balance of all 573 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: that on a sideline on game day, Yeah, you're making 574 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: sure you know, as a play caller that there's particular 575 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: players you want to seek out. You know, certain situations 576 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: maybe they're not getting the ball enough, and you want 577 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that they're engaged. Because there's a lot 578 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: of guys I rely on their energy over the course 579 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: of the game. And sometimes when you don't feel that energy, 580 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: I'll go address it with him. Hey, we're gonna get 581 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: you involved, but I need you to fake it till 582 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: you make it a little bit because it does affect me. 583 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: You know, we're here on the sidelines and I think 584 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: our staff does a really good job, you know, where 585 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: I can just say things on the headset sometimes they 586 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: can address it, but there are other teams you need 587 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: to do it one on one. And I think Dan 588 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: Campbell I coached for him for a couple of years 589 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: and Yep, he's as good as it gets in terms 590 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 1: of relating to the players and motivating those guys and 591 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: getting them to run through wall for him. So there's 592 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: no doubt that he'll get those guys going. When you're 593 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: in your first couple of years, you don't have Joe 594 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Burrow yet, then there's last year you do. He gets hurt. 595 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: You're losing football games, Zach, how do you maintain You know, 596 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: the old great baseball manager Billy Martin used to say, 597 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: there's twenty five guys, ten hate me, ten love me. 598 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: I've got to keep five away from the ones that 599 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: hate me. This is a world where you've got old players, 600 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: young players, special teams players. Not everybody's going to love you. 601 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: When you're losing games, you can lose guys in the 602 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: locker room. How do you maintain it? Because you clearly did. 603 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: It's never met an effort. Thing with the Bengals when 604 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: you guys have lost, it's been injuries, it's been you know, 605 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: personnel situations. How do you maintain it when you're on 606 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: a three game losing streak. Yeah, it was always about 607 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: building the foundation and trying to win games while we 608 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: did it, but being honest about our process. Hey, here's 609 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: why we're doing the things we're doing. We believe in it. 610 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: We're not afraid to adapt and adjust, which we have 611 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: done plenty over the last three years. And we're gonna 612 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: be honest and consistent with our players. So just because 613 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: we're losing, doesn't mean I'm going to change strange my 614 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: attitude every day and become this different person than I 615 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: wasn't during training camp for that first year. And now 616 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: we're losing, so I'm going to be a jerk to 617 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: everybody and and blame everybody about myself. So that wasn't 618 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: how we were going to go about it, you know. 619 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: And and we could sense that first year it was 620 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: going to be a difficult year, but we just had 621 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: such positivity in the locker room, and you could identify 622 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: the players that we're going to be with us through 623 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: the end, and you empower those guys and they pull 624 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: a lot of guys with them, and then the next 625 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: year you add players in the drafting free agency that 626 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: are that are captains, They've won championships, whether they're on 627 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: their college team or compute for playoff titles with the 628 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: Saints and some other teams. Of guys we added, and 629 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: you start to get more and more of those guys, 630 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: and then everyone's just pulling in the same direction. And 631 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: we got fifty three guys in the locker room right now. 632 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: I love every single one of them. I look forward 633 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: to walking in the locker room and there's not one 634 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: guy you don't want to make eye contact with, you know, 635 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: because you don't want to have a conversation with them, 636 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: which which sometimes happens in the locker rooms. But we 637 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: just got everybody on. Everyone's believing, and it is a 638 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: blastomy Part of what I find fascinating about football is 639 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: sometimes Lou Holtz used to say, you get a different 640 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: team every week. The quarterback broke up with his girlfriend, 641 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: the defensive back flung to tests. Now you don't have that. 642 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: But you were so zoned in against Baltimore. It was 643 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: so obvious. You obviously go in optimistic or confident, But 644 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: but is that game did you sense you were going 645 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: to get that performance that? I mean, that was as good, 646 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: That was as big a Bengal win. We were saying 647 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: this on my show. I can't remember a Bengal win 648 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: where I walked away and went, okay, I think different 649 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: about the organization. Did you did you have that good 650 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: a week of practice? Did you sense that would happen? 651 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: We really did, you know? And there's been plenty of 652 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: weeks where we didn't have a great Wednesday practice, a 653 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: great Thursday of practice, and it happens, and you address 654 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: it and you make sure they know we got to 655 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: come back tomorrow. Last week was an outstanding week. Guys 656 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: were locked in, players were meeting extra because Baltimore, you know, 657 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: they trust you in all three faces. They do a 658 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: tremendous big, great staff, They've got great players. They've been 659 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: competing at a high level for a long time, and 660 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: our guys knew that, and so we just got a 661 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: really smart football team. You know, at the end of 662 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: the day, you wake up on a Sunday morning and 663 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: you know you've got a tough game ahead you and 664 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,719 Speaker 1: you know you're a little bit stressed there for a moment, 665 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: but I just sit there and thinking, hey, we got talent. 666 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: Our guys are smart. They're going to go out there 667 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: and do their jobs as long as we put them 668 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: in good position to do it. And that's that's the 669 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: point that we're at right now with the Spengles team. 670 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: Would you rather face now, Harball's a special team's coach, 671 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: Give me the challenges of facing on game day another 672 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: offensive coach Kevin's Deefanski or a defensive coach Tomlin. Do 673 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: you zach coach a little differently based on who's on 674 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: the sideline in your personal chess match? Not necessarily, no, 675 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: It's it's more just some tendencies of what type of 676 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: progression they have situationally, fourth now and those types of things. 677 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: And it does always it's not always a factor of 678 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: whether they're an offensive, defensive especial teams. You know, you 679 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: just try to get a sense over their career what 680 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: their philosophy is. So it's more of that. It's less 681 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: about Mike Tomlin and Kevin Stefanski and Harbought and it's 682 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 1: just more about their overall philosophy as a team. How 683 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: do you make sure that you don't have tendencies? Do 684 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: you have somebody scout Zach Taylor. Do you have somebody 685 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: scout the Bengals. Absolutely, you know, we've got people within 686 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: the building, analytics, people that do a great job given 687 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: us the information. You know, we self scout our own 688 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: side of the ball too as well with some of 689 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: our coaches. And sometimes it's good to have some tendencies, 690 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'd like to see that we're this 691 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: percentage of something because we know we've got some things 692 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: in our back pocket that are going to account and 693 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: balance that. And so it's not always a terrible thing 694 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: to have some tendencies when you know that you've got 695 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: a great opportunity to break them and get some explosive 696 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: plays off with it. So yeah, that's a big part 697 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: of what we do during the week. Are you a script? 698 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: Are you a you know, Bill Walsh? I script twelve plays, 699 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: which I always think is smart because it reduces maybe chaos, 700 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 1: but also if you see something that you didn't expect 701 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: to see and you're running a play, like where do 702 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: you fall? As an offensive coach on scripting plays, Yeah, 703 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 1: we've certainly got some early calls, and the purpose is twofold. 704 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: It's to give your players, especially the night before the game, 705 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: a sense of what direction we're going to start the 706 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: game on so they can mentally go to sleep and 707 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: wake up the next morning and having an understanding of, hey, 708 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: here's probably the first eight or ten normal down calls 709 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: we're going to get to. And then secondly, it's getting 710 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: a chance to see how the other team's coming out 711 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: and attack you right away. So you try to do 712 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: some different things with personnel informations and try to get 713 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: a sense for that to continue to adjust as the 714 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: game of folds. And you know, so there's a there's 715 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: a different couple different ways to approach it, but I 716 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: like to make sure that our players have an understanding 717 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: of how we're going to start the game. Many of 718 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: your best players, Zach or young, not collegiate young, but 719 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: there are older locker rooms, in younger locker rooms. We 720 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: have an extra game this year. How do you avoid 721 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: I when you're in first place, you'd be a number 722 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: one seed, do you think about, Okay, we just had 723 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: the biggest win in a long time. Okay, how do 724 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: you coach them off? You know that emotional peak? Is 725 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: that something you think about, like, man, this is let's 726 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: not get too high here, because this league punishes the overconfident, 727 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: they do, you know. And I think we had a 728 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: good win on the road against Pittsburgh earlier in the 729 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: season that was a similar situation, and our guys responded 730 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: well the next week, and so we just have enough. 731 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: You're right, we have a lot of young players, but 732 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: they don't act young, you know, they're they're mature. They understand. 733 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: We got enough veteran a leadership with the Riley Reefs, 734 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: that the von Bells, all those guys that have been 735 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: there and done it at a high level that are 736 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: helping bring this these younger guys along and the standards 737 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: too right now, and our guys understand that. And so 738 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: I feel very confident in the type of leadership we 739 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: have on the team to to not fall on some 740 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: of those pitfalls that could be in front of us. 741 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: Bengals number one seed. I mean, listen, you obviously have confidence, 742 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: but I mean if you look at that on paper, 743 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: do you think, wow, this is this is working a 744 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: little faster than I thought. No. All I look at 745 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: is we put ourselves through seven games in a good 746 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: position to be able to achieve the things that we 747 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: talked about in the preseason. But all that really matters 748 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: is beating the Jets, you know, and so again it's 749 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: anything can happen. Each week. I see a Jets team 750 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: that's really hungry and they're going to present some problems 751 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: to us. And so our focus right now is just 752 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: being on six and two, and that's all that really matters. Finally, 753 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: that Green Bay game is you know, there's an old 754 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: singing coaching, don't let a loss beat you twice. I 755 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: thought you had the game one twice. I mean green 756 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: Bay probably thought the same. But how long do you 757 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: kick yourself how poorly asleep when you go home that 758 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: night and you're like, oh crap, we had Aaron Rodgers. 759 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean not that it was a circle game. They're 760 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: all circle games, but god, Zach, you played well. You 761 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: made the Packers were uncomfortable a lot in that game. 762 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: Was that a night you go home and your your 763 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: wife's trying to connect and year you got a million 764 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: things going off in your head. Yeah, you're right, that 765 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: was a tough one. But you know, having coached for 766 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: a long time in this league, you're gonna have a 767 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: lot of tough ones. And the important thing is that 768 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: we just learned from some of the things that we 769 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: could have done better, and for me, some situations that 770 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 1: could be better. Some players or guys could have done 771 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: a better job putting their self some position on and 772 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: and you just you have to do your best to 773 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: put that one behind you as quickly as possible and 774 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: u and just just learn from the things that you 775 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: can learn from and try to use those to help 776 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: you win some games in the future. Yeah. That was 777 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: that was That was one of those games. You know. 778 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 1: It was one of the rare instances where I watched 779 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: the team lose and I thought, oh, yeah, they're good, 780 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: they're buttoned up. I mean, that was my takeaway as 781 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: a fan of Consumer I was like, oh, yeah, you 782 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: outplayed Green Bay. I mean, you felt like you outplayed him. 783 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: Probably we probably put ourselves in position to win, you know, 784 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: and so, uh we didn't and that's at the end 785 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: of the day, that's all that matters. Yeah, well, I 786 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this, coach, thanks a lot. Cool. I 787 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: appreciate having me at The Volume Sports YouTube channel, Twitter, Instagram, 788 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: rate review, Subscribe. We'll talk soon. The Volume