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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. You

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Speaker 1: said something very interesting, you said, it takes more than

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Speaker 1: one great player to win a championship. You see Lebron

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Speaker 1: leave Cleveland and then go to Miami, team up with

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Speaker 1: d Wade, team up with bog but it's still it

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Speaker 1: took a battier making shots. It took a Mike Miller

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Speaker 1: making shots. It took a real check of making shots.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to people that watch the game of basketball,

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Speaker 1: love the game of basketball?

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Speaker 2: Why is it?

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Speaker 1: Why and how it's so difficult to win a championship

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Speaker 1: because you play, I mean all the eighty two games

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Speaker 1: and you know, a Tuesday night game, Man, I don't

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Speaker 1: feel like it, but somehow you gotta summon it up

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Speaker 1: to give it everything that you got.

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Speaker 2: Why is it so difficult to win an NBA time?

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Speaker 2: Because you have to be good and lucky, Like there's

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Speaker 2: going to be an element of luck involved in every

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Speaker 2: championship run in year. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 2: is health is a thing, yep. Because if you think

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Speaker 2: about it, like Toronto is not beating Golden State of

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Speaker 2: KD healthy absolutely not right. And there's just certain things

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Speaker 2: that happen along the route that it's just like like

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Speaker 2: if Kawhi misses that shot that bounces off the like

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Speaker 2: just like a luck is a major factor and health,

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Speaker 2: like if you're one of the league. I always say this,

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Speaker 2: say like Paul, who's gonna win the championship? So every

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Speaker 2: year you got about four or five teams that can

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Speaker 2: win it realistically win it. So I say, all right,

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Speaker 2: whatever team is the healthiest at the end will win.

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Speaker 2: So like, look at okc's run. They win seven games

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Speaker 2: with Denver, uh the kids strains his hamstring? What's this name? Gordon?

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, man, they pushed them to. If he's healthy,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough. And look at Indiana. How lucky

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Speaker 2: was he? Them shots boom going, Like it's an element

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Speaker 2: in all of this. I think he had like three

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Speaker 2: game winning game winners that win and then they go seven.

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Speaker 1: They go seven with Indiana, but he tears as achilles

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Speaker 2: So you who knows? Who like this? OKC beat a

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Speaker 2: healthy Boston team, right, you know who knows? So I mean,

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Speaker 2: it is what it is, and it's part of the game.

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Speaker 2: So I always say that luck is an element. I

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Speaker 2: feel like in twenty ten, if Perkins don't tear his

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Speaker 2: a cl We got somebody that we can put on

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Speaker 2: gassal to where because CSAR went crazy on us in

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Speaker 2: game seven? Yes, and so I feel like, man, man,

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Speaker 2: maybe they got lucky, right, you know. So it's it's

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Speaker 2: always something, you know. So I feel like those are

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Speaker 2: the two big reasons you win or you don't.

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Speaker 1: Being around the game following the game, you still study

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Speaker 1: the game. Has there been a player ever been as

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Speaker 1: criticized as Lebron.

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Speaker 2: James never like the pressure that was, Like I told

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Speaker 2: you earlier in this common.

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Speaker 1: You said when you were in the locker youth in

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Speaker 1: the All Star Game in Philly and they say, there's

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Speaker 1: can play in this game right now.

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Speaker 2: That's the hype he was getting and under these conditions

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Speaker 2: up to it. Like when you look at all the

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Speaker 2: great athletes all through time, and you know, people will

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Speaker 2: say I don't like Lebron, That's not true. I'll have

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Speaker 2: much respect for Lebron like Lebron. Y'll have battles like Lebron.

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Speaker 2: Is the reason I am Hawaiian, right, you know, like

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Speaker 2: I became a better player playing against him. And what

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Speaker 2: I will say, there's nobody in the history of the

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Speaker 2: and serve passid and had to carry so much weight

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Speaker 2: no blemishits yet, Like yeah, and he has no marshals.

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Speaker 2: Think about all our great athletes, Ali had his you know,

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Speaker 2: thing with the gambling, and like every Floyd Mayweather had

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Speaker 2: his issues, go with the jail, Tyson, all the great,

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Speaker 2: twenty something years in and I don't see no blimitshit.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible to me because I had to really sit

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Speaker 2: what do he deal with man Maben model citizen Like

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Speaker 2: even if there's some speculative rumors they ain't nationally whatever

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Speaker 2: whatever he deal with behind it, whatever, who cares? But

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Speaker 1: I tell people at the time, I say, no matter

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Speaker 1: what you thought he would be, he superseded, he became

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Speaker 1: that and more. Ain't nobody you thought he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he good, he really good. But you ain't thought this

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Speaker 1: man is gonna be no. Four time League MVP, no

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Speaker 1: four times Finals MVP would play this many years, be

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Speaker 1: the all because people thought Kareem's record was gonna be

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Speaker 1: untouchable because Biggs, because you know big. After Kareem got Hey,

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Speaker 1: they woul Kareem get the rebound passing out. Imagine whole

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Speaker 1: that thing up. All right, get on down there, go

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Speaker 1: get that camp and throw it to him. He's a

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Speaker 1: wing guy. Guys, he's supposed to play that long play

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Speaker 1: that well, pete true. That ain't supposed to happen. I

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Speaker 1: don't care what anybody say. You not supposed to play

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Speaker 1: twenty three years, twenty two years and play at the level.

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Speaker 1: The man was an All NBA selection. The Man was

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Speaker 1: sixty MVP voting in year twenty two, and he's still

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Speaker 1: regarded as a top ten player.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think, like if I was given

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Speaker 2: All Star game, I'll be getting killed. Like he had

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Speaker 2: the nickname King from day one and lived up to it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you know, think about nobody got their nickname. Only one

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Speaker 2: that high school, lived up to it, Yes, Like who

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Speaker 2: Allen Irvers. And the answer got is when he became

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Speaker 2: that big contract. He got a big contract, like the

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Speaker 2: nicknames didn't coming to you really did something right, you know,

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Speaker 2: up to it. So that's crazy right there.

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Speaker 1: Those battles that you had with Lebron, you say it

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Speaker 1: helped shape who you became. And you knew that you

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Speaker 1: had had to go through Cleveland when he was on

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Speaker 1: the destination you had to go through, you had to

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Speaker 1: go through the King.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I'm not a top seventy five

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Speaker 2: having those types of game sevens right and playoff moments

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Speaker 2: against him. I'm not a Hall of Famer, if you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't do those things against him and Kobe. Like,

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Speaker 2: so that's why I say, like, you know, me being

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Speaker 2: part of that, right. You know, you got to you

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Speaker 2: gotta go through some real battles with some real players,

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Speaker 2: like to really get that kind of credibility. You know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was an All Star player, but you gotta have

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Speaker 2: and when you do that, then you get verified. And

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Speaker 2: so I needed him, and I think he needed me

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Speaker 2: too for sure, Like because when I look at it,

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Speaker 2: If he loses that game, that.

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Speaker 1: Changes, Oh yeah, he's not thought of.

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Speaker 2: He's not thought of in the light that he's thought.

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Speaker 1: Of now changes after losing the weight and losing in

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Speaker 1: Now we see why forty five and fifteen. Nobody expected that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that was a game where he went

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Speaker 2: in to a hostile environment. We win that game, we

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Speaker 2: go back to the finals. Yes, so he went there

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Speaker 2: there he had to have the mindset where people was like,

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Speaker 2: he's not he doesn't have the killer, his stint, he's

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Speaker 2: not clutched. It was all these things being said about him.

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Speaker 2: He erected all that in that game and then in

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Speaker 2: So like when you start having games like that, it

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Speaker 2: I start hitting game winners, I feel like I hit

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Hey, let's run

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Speaker 1: So now that aura in them, I felt like it grew. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: going going through Boston and having that type of game. Wow,

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Speaker 1: you get to your first finals. Unfortunately you got to

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Speaker 1: play your hometown team. You got a team that you

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Speaker 1: grew up thinking about. You saw magic with all those titles,

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Speaker 1: You understand the tradition of the Los Angeles Lakers, but

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Speaker 2: The top And Shannon, you know this, like to win

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Speaker 2: RESTful it is. It's like because like people don't take

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm like, I'm you locked them. I'm so

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Speaker 2: talking to nobody Like it's so stressful and it puts

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Speaker 2: part that don't get talked about it right, Like it's

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Speaker 1: It is you got that seven times been in the

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Speaker 1: kids are coming. I go see them for like thirty

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Speaker 1: everybody said, y'all not gonna see your dad until after

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Speaker 1: the game. Ain't nobody gonna call me until after the

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Speaker 1: to Sea World, go to disney Land, go wherever y'all

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Speaker 1: want to go. Hey, it's on me, But don't call

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Speaker 2: Somebody going to the hospital. I don't hear nothing, just

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Speaker 2: the rise and fall of the motions. It is damn

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Speaker 2: all right. We beat Lebron all right, now we got

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Speaker 2: cold king cole Man. It's like you can't sleep some night.

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Speaker 2: You gotta figure out, Like man, you know you up

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Speaker 2: washing take you? Then you in the whole day, think

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Speaker 2: out there. Doc was like, no this, I said, I

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Speaker 2: for you to go to the bathroom. No, No, I

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Speaker 1: You end up with dropping fifteen points in the third quarter,

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Speaker 2: I remember that. Oh man, you you win it the

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Speaker 1: You're back in the finals and you're facing the same

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Speaker 2: Sellers against the Mamba Hood again again. Man, that's tough,

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Speaker 1: And now because y'all neutralize him with power and then

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Speaker 2: And when he hit the shot, it just proved that

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Speaker 2: Couldn't even be mad because I'm not. We can't let

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Speaker 2: So it was just like damn. And we had to

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Speaker 2: Like it was unreal. I can't even you mentioned Game seven.

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Speaker 1: Is it fair that Doc receives criticism for the Game

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Speaker 2: He's lost them to the Clippers? He lost?

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Speaker 1: Uh, you guys have a three to two lead in

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Speaker 2: No coach in NBA history has lost more Game seven? Really? Really? Nope? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I remember they think that they lost the really the

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Speaker 2: Oh damn? Oh right right?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes? And then they have another one. I think

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Speaker 1: who did they lose to? They might have lost to

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Speaker 2: You didn't seen it too. I got this tonight. We

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Speaker 2: out the window. It's like they know all our players,

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00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 2: you know, they the Sky report. This comes down to

432
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 2: your stars. Yes all Game seven comes down to your

433
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 2: stars and point blank period. So it ain't I can't

434
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,239
Speaker 2: put that on Doc. You know I could put the

435
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: three one blown series leads on Doc when he you

436
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: know he's been up three one. Yeah he blown like

437
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: two or three.

438
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: Clippers and the nugget he had that with the magic

439
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: against the Pistons Trady McGrady, remember, because Tracey was.

440
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I like to go to the second round.

441
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: Like that's on the coach and the player then, but

442
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: like game seven is on your best player strength for me,

443
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: like they got to step up and bring you home.

444
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: We need some clarification.

445
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: The re ally Ray decides to go to the Heat,

446
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: right you kg Rondo, are you got Are you upset

447
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: that he left? Or are you upset party? You might

448
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: be upset that he left, but it didn't have more

449
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: to do with where he left and went.

450
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: Two. Absolutely, it was absolutely where he went. You gotta understand,

451
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 2: we've been battle on the Lebron for the last four

452
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: or five years. Yeah, so now it's there our rival,

453
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: right like the Heat on our rival, it's Lebron's you

454
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yeah, So like, dude, we just

455
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: played them in the playoffs a year ago, Like, you

456
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: can't go play with them.

457
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: So you don't want him to go help them, help

458
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: him get a championship?

459
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that ain't how this work. Nah, I would

460
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: have I would have been better off him going to

461
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: the Lakers. And that's our biggest rum. Damn. I would

462
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: have been cooler with him doing that. So you so, Ray?

463
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: If so?

464
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: If Ray, let's say, you know what a man, look,

465
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm leaving, you know, blah blah blah, I'm going to Lake.

466
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to join Kobe. You cool with that? If

467
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 2: we had that conversation and it was like a conversation,

468
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue Shannon was. We didn't have

469
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: no conversation with him. Listen, we and I tell this

470
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: story all the time. We we was a brotherhood when

471
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: you win, and you know, our wives, our friends and

472
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: our kids, our friends were doing family stuff, Halloween giving

473
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: and for you to abruptly leave without a conversation like hey,

474
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about you know doing this. We built something here,

475
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: Like is there something like if there was an issue

476
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 2: with contract, maybe there's something I could talk to Danny

477
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: about our wig like lean on us first, like to

478
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: us to wake up and hear it right, like that's

479
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: the issue I had. And me and m had that conversation.

480
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, we couldn't even get a phone

481
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: call or nothing, like is it something we could have done?

482
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: Like we could have maybe talked to Doc if the

483
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: contract it wasn't to your lifely or whatnot. You didn't

484
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: like your role on the team, like something like what

485
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: is it? You know, maybe we can help, but like

486
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: to just like get up, leave a house, don't don't

487
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: tell us where you're going, and we see where you at.

488
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: You know, Mama didn't like that. You know, I couldn't

489
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: do that. The rumor had it that Ray was looking

490
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: for homes when he while during the Miami series the

491
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: year before, Like before, this was the rumor that we

492
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: were playing Miami in the playoffs the year before. While

493
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: we was down there, he was already looking at houses.

494
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Miami is nicey, Like, you can't be in

495
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 2: a series you already checked out?

496
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: No, no, I ain't checked out, but you know, Mama

497
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: would have been in Miami. The weather's nice. I don't

498
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: want to live in most a year round.

499
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: You already in this series, Like there's some bullshit, I'm

500
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: coming to play for them next year? Who were battling.

501
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: You think he was upset with his role. I think

502
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: he was upset with his role and then went to

503
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: Miami and got the same role. If Race stayed, we

504
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: could have won too. I feel like you feel you

505
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: failed at that point in time.

506
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 1: If Ray comes back, y'all had y'all are equipped to

507
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: deal with the lebron.

508
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you got understand. We went back to the

509
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference finals. Yeah two years like we went to

510
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: the finals twenty ten, But then we played them again

511
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: in the conference finals like two or three years later

512
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: in Miami. Yeah remember that. Yeah, Yeah, so we was

513
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: equipped for a few more years if he stayed right.

514
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: So that's it's funny how you guys used to handle

515
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: disagreements involveten. It reported that there was a disagreement between

516
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: Reality and Rondo for sure, and you brought boxing gloves.

517
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, okay, settle it. Man. We was

518
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: having a lot of tension at the time in the

519
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: locker room and it was like little clicks. You know

520
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: their teams be you click, you're clicking up, and you know,

521
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: we was in the We was in the situation. Our

522
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: team was built old young. The young guys kicked it.

523
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: The old guy kicked it, so we felt they old

524
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 2: The young guys was like, y'all, don't mess with us

525
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: no more. You know what I'm saying. Because something happened,

526
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: Shan like, something happened.

527
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: Man.

528
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: We was on the road one day and something got

529
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: back to the wife. He's talking. Man, it was some

530
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: pillowtop going on to where it was messing with the

531
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: locker room. Oh for show. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying.

532
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: It came from the young guys. So the old heads,

533
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: we was like, man, we we gotta just move like

534
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: this now, you know what I'm saying. We had to

535
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: move different now man, They like, man, why we don't

536
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: mess y'all, don't mess with the young dudes. And then nah,

537
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: y'all talking, y'all pillow talking yeah, And so then KG

538
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: got into it with Perk, Rondo got into a rail

539
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: or something. It was just like a division dy. It

540
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: was just too much going on. It was just like, man,

541
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna get your issue off. I brought

542
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: these gloves. I had an issue. At the time. We

543
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: had another dude on our team named Patrick O'Brien, So

544
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: I started off first. I said, all right, we're gonna

545
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: get our issue off. Let's put these gloves on because

546
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: I got an issue with you. We put the gloves on, right,

547
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: so no, no, we're gonna go three minutes. So then

548
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: next So then we didn't know that Big Baby had

549
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: an issue with Tony Islan, So down Big Baby and

550
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: Tody Allen they get they they get their issue, all right,

551
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: who next, Rondo?

552
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: I want them me and right, I want them.

553
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: Come on, let's get it off. And when I tell you,

554
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: I was right there. Man. You remember you just watched

555
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: that fight Canelo, but Cadeloi, Budd, you were that ninth

556
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: round whiw Bud came out ninth round Fronto came out

557
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: like that with conviction. He wanted to like he missed

558
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: all of them. Yeah, but but he was trying to

559
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: tear red head off if he had a connected on

560
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: one of them. Bro man, man, I'm glad he didn't

561
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: connect on one of them because he was swinging with

562
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: some conviction I'm talking about. It wasn't no jabs, it was.

563
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't no jaz.

564
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: D throw one hit a quitter, whoa And I was

565
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: just like, damn, okay, you got that.

566
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: We got this up. We gotta break this up. This

567
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: is if somebody connect, this is gonna get out of control.

568
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: So we broke it up. But yeah, they had a

569
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: little issue, and you know.

570
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: They did they men once they got past that. So

571
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: it was was it better after that or they still

572
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: had friction?

573
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: It was friction still. You know. The report was is

574
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: that Ray Warner Chris Paul Oh, I don't know that.

575
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: I maybe so it was like yeah, and I think

576
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: it got back to Rondo. Yeah that's one of them.

577
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: But it was a lot of other stuff I believe

578
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: that Ray was doing because I think you know, Ray

579
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: would often go to Doc and be like you know,

580
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: Rondo not give me rock. And I used to be like, right,

581
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: you just go to Rondo, yeah, because I used to

582
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: be like, Rondo run thatack like come on dog, like

583
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: like come on dog, hey we got it, Like come on, man,

584
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: don't go to yeah to go to him, yeah, like

585
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: go to him, yeah, because I'll just go right to

586
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: Ronto sitting right here like Ndo, come on, man, what

587
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: were we doing out here? Right? You know what I'm saying?

588
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 2: That was? That was like all right, I got you?

589
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: All right? Cool.

590
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: We see Ray's personality is not like yours. See raydon

591
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: confrontational to go to the coach, Hey, coach handle back

592
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: and didn't. But see Rondo go realize where it's coming from.

593
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but Ray is not as controversial. But he's political. Yeah,

594
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: so you can politically talk to Ron like you can

595
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: use them words to way he understand. Like me and

596
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: Rondo might have a shouting match, but we're gonna get

597
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: over it, you can. You gonna talk better to him

598
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: than me, and he, like yours, gonna come off different.

599
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna shout it out and then we're gonna be

600
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: cool though. But that's I mean, that's how we are.

601
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: But you guys.

602
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: And then there was a ceremony, I think the championship

603
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: ceremony that and Ray didn't come back for oh maybe

604
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: or maybe there's something that he was You guys didn't

605
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: invite him back.

606
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: No oh oh, it was something Ray didn't come to.

607
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: It was a few things Ray didn't come to me,

608
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. And that's what made the relationship to

609
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: because when Rondo first re signed this new deal, we

610
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: all had a get together fum at a restaurant. He

611
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: didn't show up.

612
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Look at the man tried to tear my head off.

613
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I ain't coming pee. I'm not gonna be honest with.

614
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: A team thing though, and so like all that built

615
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: up to men I might have came and kicked the

616
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: whole kick over. So we he just felt like, no

617
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: matter your relationship, like we got to support our ch other. Okay,

618
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: I see it. Just if I got a bowl in

619
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: the van, y'all got to ye for sure if they're

620
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: doing this, like, come on, everybody support each other. We

621
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: on the same we're trying to win, bro, Like you

622
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: ain't got to stay long, right, you know. And that's

623
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, and that's that was kind of like the

624
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: beginning of the breakup with all of us, and it

625
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: was just like, man, I wish we could have stayed

626
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: together for more years.

627
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: You mentioned one of your former teammates, Glenn Big Baby Davis,

628
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: and he had enough part of the situation where got

629
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: involved with some activities and now he finds himself in

630
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: federal prison. How difficult is it to see, if you know?

631
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: For me, it's very difficult to see my former teammates

632
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: when they fall on hard times because I remember, you know,

633
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: I choose to remember the great time that we have

634
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: in the locker rooms, on the bus, on the planes,

635
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: laughing and joking on the practice field, and to see

636
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: him going through what he's going through.

637
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: How difficult is that? You peak? Man, You hate to see,

638
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: you know a few things when you're done playing that

639
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: you've accomplished so much with people. You hate to see,

640
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: you know, them go broke, you know, and need something

641
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: from you because I'm always willing to help. You. Hate

642
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: to see them go to jail, which is happened in

643
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: this situation. And I haven't had a chance to talk

644
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: to Big Baby. I would love to like reach out,

645
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: you know, I've had a few teammates go to jail. Actually,

646
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: and you know sometimes like it's hard to communicate because

647
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: you got the letter writing and the visitations, you got

648
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: to do so much, and then they in other states,

649
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: and so you try to just talk through other people.

650
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: You can get the mess closer to family members. But

651
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: you hate to see that type of stuff because of

652
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: the bonds you built. You built, and you hate to

653
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: see people fall on tough times. And you know, hopefully

654
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: this makes him stronger, because like him going in, he

655
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: seemed like he was on some positive vibes. He didn't

656
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: seem like very because he was all on Instagram, and

657
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: you never know, Instagram covers up a lot of our emotions. Yeah,

658
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: you know, it covers up who we really.

659
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: Are because instink. I'm broke because everybody live, everybody got

660
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: coloring in, everybody got everybody.

661
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, what damn they doing that? I right, I'm like,

662
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: well damn y'all got it like that right right?

663
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Everybody everybody happy, Everybody in a happy relationship. Pete, everybody

664
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: been mad for ten fifteen years. They got the woman

665
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: of their dream, They got the man of their dream.

666
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: The family is great. I was like, come on now, nah,

667
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: what you see on now? And what you see in person.

668
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: That's two different entirely that makeup come off. You know,

669
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: we know what's under that makeup.

670
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: KG.

671
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you guys had a great relationship, and

672
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: everybody talk about how you know, how intense he is

673
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: and how much he talks.

674
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: Could you tell when KG was getting on the people's skin. Yeah,

675
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, KG, just it's just an intimidating force,

676
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 2: just like looking at him like man like his aura. Yeah,

677
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: like he got a whole aura him, like just walking

678
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: in the room. And then if he started barking at

679
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: you and saying stuff, it's just like you gotta understand

680
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: a lot of the And he do it to the

681
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: younger guys too. A lot of the younger guys looked

682
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: up to him. They did, and it was just like,

683
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't heard some stuff like oh is

684
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: that true what he told?

685
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: What he told Joe Kim Noah, because he was like, hey, man,

686
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: I admy you man, the way you play, he said, man,

687
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: get on, get off.

688
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: My d bath. I was right there. I was like

689
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: he said that for real, peat man, man dog Joe

690
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: Kim and they made up since them and we laugh

691
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: about it, and Joe Kim is cool. So we was

692
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 2: at the free throw line. He was like, Man, I'm

693
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: sitting right there. I heard the whole thing. I'm right there.

694
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, kg Man, I just want you

695
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: to know. You know, man, I look up to you. Man,

696
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: I had your poster and everything, man, and you know

697
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: I would love to work out something something along that. Yeah, Man,

698
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: get off my d like yo. I was like damn

699
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: no no, but look it was another one. Here go

700
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: another one, here go another story that all they got out.

701
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: It was another player. He was like, hey, uh hey,

702
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: we have the free throw line again, because you know

703
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: this one guys like to talk. He's like, hey, can man,

704
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: I just want to invite you. You know I'm having

705
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: my wedding this summer. Uh, you know, I would like

706
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: to get you invite him, man. Kevin Man looked up.

707
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: Fuck you. D I was like, damn, I look like

708
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 2: So the one thing I did learn, dude, don't talk

709
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: to Kevin during the game. Talk to him before text

710
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: him that, like, y'all are here telling this stuff during

711
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: the game. He is in full gladiate her moment right now.

712
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: Do live him alone? Like, come on, stop that, y'all.

713
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: The situation that he and Carmelo got into it. The

714
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: cheerios things have been the buck. But how surprised were you?

715
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: Were you that Mellow was waiting at the bus and

716
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: wanted to throw a head at KG?

717
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, I didn't know what was going on

718
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: because I think I was still in the shower or something,

719
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: you know, before I realized what was going on, right like,

720
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: And I didn't even hear what was said to this day,

721
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: and I've never asked him. You know. It's just certain

722
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: sid things you just don't even want to know where

723
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: that's true or not, you know, And that's one of

724
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: them for me. And it was just like, damn, he

725
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: must have really got under mellow skin. And then when

726
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: it came out that he was talking about somebody's wife

727
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: and all that, and I was like, man, I heard

728
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: KG talk a lot of shit, but he ain't. I

729
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 2: don't think he went there with you know what I'm saying.

730
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: Maybe he thought he heard something like that, but I ain't.

731
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: I ain't never heard nothing to that to where you like,

732
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: that's crossing the line. Yeah, you know, hey, man, people

733
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: wife man. People don't play by the why the girl

734
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: friend kids? You stay away from that, Stay away from that.

735
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: Everything else is fair game. We're playing the games whatever,

736
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: But like the personal family and kids and vibes, keep

737
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: that out of now. I've heard the girlfriends stuff a lot.

738
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: The girlfriends is open yeah, but the girl it's just

739
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: your girlfriend, that's open season. Heard stuff like that not

740
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: over here, but the other players like, hey, that's your girl.

741
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she was with me, Like you said that.

742
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: I was like why to the other player, and the

743
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: player was all this game. The rest of the man,

744
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: it's some stunb I know you heard some stuff too.

745
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: Sure, you know, like you said their game fair game?

746
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: You uh did you smack talk trash talk to Kobe.

747
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: Sometime? But like like Kobe, he he he different, like

748
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: he just he like his sometimes his math talker was

749
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: breathing hard on you like he had just had this

750
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: look in his nose. He had this thing with his

751
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: nose like he wouldn't say nothing. You know what I

752
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: should have said nothing, No, But it was one All

753
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: Star game. Uh so we beat them in the finals.

754
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: So the next year in the All Star Game, he

755
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: had the free throw line and I yelled something from

756
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: the bench like that's why y'all blew it last year

757
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: or something said something foul. Yeah, last choke. Yeah, I said,

758
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: you choke, you gonna choke. Man. We was about to

759
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: fight in the All Star Game. Dude, he came over

760
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: to me on the bench, walked right dead over there,

761
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: got in my face. I had to stand up like yeah, yeah,

762
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: he killed me. So yeah, so I had to stand

763
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: up like what you're talking about? Then? So I'm thinking, like, dude,

764
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: like he he really like it's the All Star Game.

765
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the squabble in the All Star Game.

766
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: He was he was hot. I was like, damn, all right,

767
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: you know what. I ain't trying to do all that

768
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 2: in theme for real man. I was like, damn, should

769
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 2: you know what? Let me chill?

770
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: You mentioned the battle like you said. Look, I'm not

771
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: a top seventy five player. I'm not thought of as

772
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: a player. I am if I don't have those battles

773
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: with Lebron when he's at Cleveland, when he's at Miami,

774
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: he's at Miami, I'm in, I'm in, and Brooklyn. You

775
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times you guys guarded each other that game.

776
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: That game, I think with that Game six, I think

777
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: it was Game six. You had forty he had forty

778
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: two or you had forty two, he had forty. But

779
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: you guys were going at it. You guys, I mean

780
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: that was Game seven Boston. We both have forty. Yeah,

781
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: you guys were going at it. Yeah, So how you

782
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: what do you try to do to get him off

783
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: his game? Is there a spot you're trying to keep

784
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: him from getting to? Are you talking to him like, bro,

785
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: this this is not your year, this this is this

786
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: is not it.

787
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: I would talk to Lebron at the guard meetings at

788
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: the free throw line again, you know, I always used

789
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: to say he gonna choke at the line because at

790
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: the time he was always missing big free throw right.

791
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: But like the like, when he's on, you can't stop

792
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: because the the strategy is to make him shoot jumpers.

793
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: But if it's jumpers, if he's hidden, then it's over.

794
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: Right, And that's what happened in that game, that game

795
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: six in the Garden.

796
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was hitting everything, fade away threes because the

797
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: scout is to go under the pick and roll, let

798
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: him shoot jumpers. And if it's jumpers on, there's nothing

799
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: you can do because he's on. Now if you like,

800
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: when you get down, you don't want to give him

801
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: the free jumper because now you got to get up

802
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: right now he going value and doing all that. Man,

803
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: it was just like, man, you got to pick the

804
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: the lessoner of to eaves. But if he got them

805
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: both going, it's a long night and he's so strong. Man.

806
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: I just remember trying to foul him. Bro, you damn

807
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: here have the w w FM to just stop him

808
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: from getting the A one. Like I remember so many

809
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: different files I gave. I'm damn there tackling him and

810
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 2: he's still almost.

811
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: So you be the one with the Mars twin when

812
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: you playing Boston and he grabbed him by the back

813
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: and Lebron's still lad up.

814
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: And get there. I want that so many times to

815
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 2: where it's down. You damn there got to tackle him

816
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: to stop him from like getting the and one, especially

817
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: when they got that full steam of head.

818
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: It's like, man, you it's reported that you told him

819
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: I have the ball to take that shot in Game

820
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: five of the two thousand Eastern Conference.

821
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: Bottles, you said that that sounded like me. That's all

822
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: like I said about.

823
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying to big why you and U D got

824
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: you and ud iron y'all differences out.

825
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: I ain't talked to U D. I really ain't got

826
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: no b for U D. Like because like, and I

827
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: said some things. And the reason I said what I

828
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: said because I didn't appreciate what UD said about Russell,

829
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 2: no Bill rus you know, he said something I thought

830
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: that was foul. You know, Russell was passed by then,

831
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: you know, and I didn't appreciate that. And you know,

832
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: we got a long rivalry with Boston, Miami and everything,

833
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: and I do a shot, you know what I'm saying

834
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: like that, and that's all it was, because like when

835
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: we played against each other, it wasn't never no me

836
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: and him in each other face. It was more like

837
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: me and d Wade for me and Bron you know,

838
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: so it wasn't nothing like that. So I said what

839
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: he said, what he said, and I was like kind

840
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: of like defending our culture, our our our side, because

841
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 2: what I said was I went on Stephen Jackson page

842
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: and he got a jersey retired Donnas and Stephen Jackson

843
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: was like, well deserved, and I said, I think I

844
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: said not giving what not it was. It wasn't deserved,

845
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: it was given like something like that. And it was

846
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: a probably and I probably shouldn't have said nothing like

847
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: that but I just, you know what, Tobody, because that

848
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: ain't me. Usually I usually don't do that because I

849
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: tell a person, you know, and I just felt the

850
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: need to like say that because of what was said.

851
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: I felt, well, there was a disrespect toward Russell. Uh.

852
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: But like, you know, I ain't got no issue with UD.

853
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: But like if we see each other, like face to face,

854
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: you know, I tell him the same thing. Like, Man,

855
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: I ain't really got no issue with you. You know this.

856
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: We're grown, we retired, we got kids, we got kid Yeah,

857
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I ain't trying to have

858
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: no issue with nobody. Who you think talked more? Gary

859
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: Payton or KG. Gary bro. Yeah, you can't shut Gary up.

860
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: That's why, Man, you can't shut him up. Like once

861
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: he gets going. Man, I'm telling you, man, when GP,

862
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, we played in Boston with me, man, GP,

863
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: Me and GM fight one day and I looked up

864
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: to GP, like I completely looked up to GP from Oakland.

865
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: I followed him all the way through, you know, him

866
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: and my brother knew each other growing up. And GP

867
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: was saying something and I was like, man, shut up,

868
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: little man, I'll beat you out. He was like we'll

869
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: do it. Then he was like, he started yelling, and

870
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: he started getting all hyped up. You know this. I

871
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: was like, I was, he got so turned up, and

872
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I respect Ge. I'm bigger than him,

873
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: if younger than come on, man, I had to smile

874
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 2: it off. I G G G bro Man. I love

875
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: G to this day. That's my big brother.

876
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: Man.

877
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 2: But ain't nobody. Ain't nobody talk more than G. He's

878
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: not going to stop like J like KG gonna spit

879
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: here and there, but G is just gonna keep on

880
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: like all night. It's like dang. I didn't turned him on.

881
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: A guy just called a lot of criticism. I think

882
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: he does a great job on television. I worked with

883
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: him on both shows dis feuded at ESPN. It's Perk, Okay,

884
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: he played his role. You know, look Perk. You know

885
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: Perk ain't gonna get you know, twenty, but he gonna

886
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: see great screens. He gonna rebound. He got hard, fail you.

887
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: But he caught a lot of criticism Russ. He said that,

888
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, he and Russ had a falling out because

889
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: he said something about Russy's wife send him a letter.

890
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

891
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: He and Katie been going back and forth a little

892
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: bit on Twitter stuff like that.

893
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: What was it like playing with perk Man? I love

894
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: playing with Perk. He understood this role and you know,

895
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: he was our enforcer. You know, he was our big man.

896
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget when I felt like I knew

897
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: we were win this series. I'll tell you this one series.

898
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: This was when Cleveland was the number one seed with Shock,

899
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: we were the four seeds and we played them in

900
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: the second round and I remember Shock tried the punk

901
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: perk Man Perk still in a shock face like a

902
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: beat you like yeah, And I was just like, oh, okay.

903
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: You know, I ain't never seen nobody standing shock like.

904
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh that gave me common. It's like,

905
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we're gonna whoop them. Shack is intimidating. I

906
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: don't care how old Shock is. I don't care. He

907
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: could be ninety nine years old. Shock is intimidate to

908
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: this day. And I'm like, oh yeah, Perk just like

909
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: low Ki kind of gotten shot face. Oh Man, were

910
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: about to get them. And you know but that he

911
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: Perk understood his role. And that's why I say, if

912
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: he don't get hurt, I feel like we win. Two

913
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: rings did Perk have hot takes in the locker room.

914
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: Was Perk a talking back then, I mean he understood

915
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: the game. And most of the time it be me

916
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: and Kevin because we stuck around longer in the locker room,

917
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: and Kevin like we be there because we the old man.

918
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: They usually leave. But Perk was always knowledgeble. He always

919
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: had his say in the country. But they you know,

920
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: they gone. But then when we retired, you know, he

921
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: would all me and him would talk and he'd just

922
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: be like, man, you know what, I'm looking to get

923
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: into the business, pee you know what you think you know?

924
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: And I was like, he's very strong opinionating. He's always

925
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: been back perfect, very been strong opinionated. And that's what

926
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: you got. You got to stand on. You gotta stand on.

927
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Anybody can say, well, I like both guys, you know what,

928
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: it's really no. You gotta have an opinion and stand

929
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: when you because criticism is gonna come eventually. Criticism is

930
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: gonna come because you're not gonna be on the right

931
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: side of everybody's opinion, right, and you got to stand

932
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: on it.

933
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: And you can't be in this trying to be like no, no,

934
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, you gotta say what you feel what you feel,

935
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: and you know he's always done that, Yes, and so

936
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: that's why he's great in this in this space. What

937
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: was it like playing with Shaq?

938
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: Because you didn't get to you didn't get the magic shack,

939
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: you didn't get a Laker shock, you didn't even get

940
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: a heat shock. You got a guy that had been around.

941
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: I think he had gone to Phoenix and and and

942
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: came to you guys. I think he ended up going

943
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: to Cleveland last. But what was it like with Shaq?

944
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 2: Man? That was one of the funnest teams I ever

945
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: played on. And we didn't win it, but we I

946
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: was promise you should. If Shaq had have been healthy,

947
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: we would have won it that year. Really, dude, go

948
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: back and look at our record with Shaq. I think

949
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: we were like twenty eight and the three wow, like

950
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: and then he gets hurt something like that, Like we

951
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: were rolling with. All we needed was his presence, because

952
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: the thing about Shaq, when you drive to the lane,

953
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: nobody helping off of them. So the lane wide open,

954
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: right and you're not helping off kg I was having

955
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: a field day with them, like Rondo was having a

956
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: field day with them. Two in the line. But then

957
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: off the court man just the last we had with him,

958
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: and you just know, you know, Shack, he just he funny.

959
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: He just he's just a comedian, old kid. And then

960
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: we had Nate Robinson Wood him oh man. That that was.

961
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: That was one of the funniest times because we all

962
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: kicked it. We all went to dinner and this was

963
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: the one. The only person Shaq is the only one

964
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 2: that had a bigger or than KG. Wow, because going

965
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: you know, being in practice in the locker room, KG

966
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: he got the biggest or. Then you see another big

967
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 2: ore coming there and you like it's bigger than that one.

968
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: It's like, Dade, I'm in the locker room with these

969
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: like a big big sun in the locker room shining.

970
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, man. And then we sitting there having storytime

971
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: after practice, you know the ogs. We're gonna sit there

972
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 2: after practice be chopping it up, talking about whatever, shooting ship.

973
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: So that was that was one of the funnest.

974
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: Times with Shaques still pranking people when he got the

975
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: Boston was he still pranking man, That is never gonna stop.

976
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: Come on, Shaq was doing putting stuff in people's shoes.

977
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: He told the story, so how he took a dump

978
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: and Devin George You man.

979
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: He was doing man, he was still doing stuff like

980
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: the man Nate Robinson. Dude, I'm telling you this was

981
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: the two. It was crazy, but that's who shock is,

982
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: you know. So it made the locker room fun.

983
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: You also had a teammate, de Lante West, who's kind

984
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: of falling no hard times.

985
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: He's dealing with some issues.

986
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban has tried to help him out, but he

987
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: kind of had a relapse and he's backing it.

988
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: What was he like? What was playing with Delante like?

989
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: And did you see anything that would lead you to

990
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: believe that this could possibly be a fate down the road? No?

991
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean actually Delante was one of my favorite teammates

992
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: because I had young Delonte. You know, just having him

993
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: and Tony Allen together was like, man, you wouldn't believe it.

994
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: They was like the good friends on the team and

995
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: it was my youngins. Delante was really good. But just

996
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: to like be around him every day, his competitive spirit

997
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: and to know where he came from, and I knew

998
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: when he was in the league he needed medication. It

999
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: was already yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was like

1000
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: when he was playing for us he needed medication then,

1001
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: and I didn't know it would turn into what we

1002
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: see today, but we knew he had likes. I don't

1003
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: know if it's a bipolar disorder or something like that.

1004
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: I think he was diagnosed with to where you know,

1005
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: Danny would like talk to him and make sure trying

1006
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: to make sure you take his mans and all that,

1007
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: because like you saw a couple episodes like to where

1008
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: he go off and you know he had a couple

1009
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: of fights in the locker room, but you know, you

1010
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 2: didn't think it would just turned into like full on

1011
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: just like and you know, it just goes to show

1012
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 2: you how difficult it is to deal with mental health.

1013
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: I have two nephews and I have a chance to

1014
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: see a first hand Shannon with schizophrenias, Like like, it's

1015
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: the worst thing that you can have for a family

1016
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: to deal with every day because every day is new

1017
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: and it's different and you don't know what can happen,

1018
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, And you know, I just encourage people to

1019
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: just if you're dealing with this in your family and

1020
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: the people around you, you know, just show the love

1021
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: and make sure that you could give the support that

1022
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: you can give, because it's it's a real thing, and

1023
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: it can damage it can break a family up. Oh

1024
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: for sure, absolutely, you know really so I've seen you

1025
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: know that firsthand, and you know you try to pray

1026
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: and you try to not wish that upon people, but

1027
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: it's just it's difficult. Then, Like I said, it can

1028
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: break families apart. Wow.

1029
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: Lebron heading into year twenty three, year twenty two average

1030
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: almost twenty five points a game, eight rebounds a game,

1031
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: eight says the game, shot over fifty percent from the floor,

1032
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: shot thirty eight percent from the three, shot one of

1033
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: his career highs from the free throw line. You said

1034
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: you believe twenty three would be his last season. You

1035
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: still believe twenty three is his last season?

1036
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: Is that this year? Yeah? Yeah, I think this will

1037
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 2: be his last season, you know, I mean, he's he's

1038
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: the conflent so much, he's been made so long, and

1039
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: I truly believe that now that you've had the opportunity,

1040
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: like you've done something that's never been done in the

1041
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: game multiple times. And the one ultimate thing that there's

1042
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: two things that's never gonna happen while I'm alive. Nobody's

1043
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 2: gonna break his scoring record, and no other player will

1044
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: play with their son, right, I don't believe that those

1045
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: two things will happen. I think like there has to

1046
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 2: be and I just have to believe that he has

1047
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: a sense of fulfillment now that you know, he's done

1048
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: it all and accomplished so much, and now he's built

1049
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: up such a great off the court presence with his

1050
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: businesses and things of that nature, that that's gonna be

1051
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 2: his next challenge in growing that and becoming the best

1052
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: in that field. And you know, because I know it

1053
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: eats at him every year he doesn't win a championship,

1054
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: and I know he loves the game, but I truly

1055
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: believe that you don't believe KD can break his scoring record.

1056
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: Kd's at almost thirty thousand, Where's Lebron at fifty fifty

1057
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: forty two regular season points? So no, as so much

1058
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: things have to go right. He has to be healthy

1059
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: for like the next ten years, I think, because I

1060
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: mean he has to play.

1061
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: He has to play basically at least seven years and

1062
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: play all the games and play the game, yeah all

1063
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: of them, no no injuries, no stouts.

1064
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: And Lebron's playing this year. I don't think it.

1065
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: I think it's it's really hard because normally guys retire

1066
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: when they can't play at the level their custom to

1067
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: you averaging twenty five points of game p with eight

1068
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: and eight, it's hard to walk away, and you make it.

1069
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: Now it's different because we've never seen Lebron in the

1070
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: final year of his contract, unless Lebron really wants to

1071
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: be in the final year of his contract. It's reported

1072
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 1: that the Lakers, like now, were gonna wait and see

1073
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: how this year turns out. So I don't think Lebron goes.

1074
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he really wants to

1075
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: go anywhere else. He's building a compound here in La.

1076
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: He loves La. He came to La. They didn't recruit him.

1077
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: He came to them. Yeah, it's like winning.

1078
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 2: The lot I ain't even played the lottery, but I won. Yeah, Magic,

1079
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: Magic can't do that. He showed up at he and

1080
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: Rich Paul showed up at Magic's out. And that's gonna

1081
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: be a hard That's gonna be a hard decision. It is,

1082
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 2: it's all he knows. Over half this man's life, he's

1083
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: been in the NBA. Think about it. He's gonna be

1084
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: forty one. This will be so since he was eighteen

1085
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: all he knows is the NBA. But I have to

1086
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 2: believe that he doesn't want to play just to play. True,

1087
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: you know, he wants to win, like he wants to

1088
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: win a championship. And if there's if there's a situation

1089
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: to where if the Lakers lose the first round or

1090
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: how they lose, where they should he should want to go.

1091
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: If you lose in the first round with Luca and

1092
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves and what you have, I get it, you

1093
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: don't have no history, you don't got no get great

1094
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: big man. But with Luke and Lebron, you should never

1095
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: lose in the first round, right that ain't and of itself,

1096
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: you should never lose in the play first round.

1097
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: Yep. So I believe it's all going to depend I

1098
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: don't think he'll announce it, but I think burn circumstances

1099
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: on how they go out this year, he'll make that decision.

1100
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: You are your Lebron.

1101
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Mom almost beat you up for following that man, Hank,

1102
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: that was That was Lebron.

1103
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: Lebron. Don't sit down glow trying to get a come

1104
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 2: on mama. You don't even like you come on mama, Hey,

1105
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: why are you trying to come I'm just trying to

1106
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: just not let make the layup. Mama. I wasn't trying

1107
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: to hurt him. I ain't never tried to hurt him.

1108
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: You guys have played. You guys have played a lot.

1109
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: Lebron has beat you thirty five times. You beat him

1110
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: thirty four times. Yes, you will go back and get

1111
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: try this.

1112
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: Thing up with a dagger. Three. I sat in the

1113
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: corner tying this up. Dam I'm trying to think what

1114
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: was the last game. The last game was probably in Bricklin, yeah,

1115
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: or Washington, Washington. Oh, this is regular season, right, yeah? Yeah,

1116
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: oh yeah, okay, damn. That close.

1117
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: What what if you guys were the same age? What

1118
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: if you came in because you came in ninety eight,

1119
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: Lebron came in three. If you guys would like.

1120
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: If we were the same age, I don't believe he

1121
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: would have had four championships. He wouldn't have He wouldn't

1122
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: have got those two in Miami, because I gotta believe

1123
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: if we're the same age and I could offset him,

1124
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: and that would have been good enough. You know, like

1125
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: if he had have got forty in Game six and

1126
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: we the same I would probably got forty in offset

1127
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: the right. You know, I was at an older age

1128
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: then a lot of miles and stuff, and it was

1129
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: hard for me to keep up with him. Lie, I'm looking,

1130
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: I'll be looking at that tape shit, and I'm like, damn,

1131
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: I couldn't even move like it's a younger. I couldn't

1132
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: moved with him.

1133
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, cause you don't put in Brooklyn, you

1134
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: say you got it.

1135
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: You gonna die him up in Brooke. I don't know

1136
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: what you was on. That mind and body say two

1137
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: different things.

1138
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: Your mom was saying one thing, that body fit. I

1139
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: got him, you know I thought I did. Man, you

1140
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: you were. You were very outspoken about KD going to

1141
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: the Warriors. You said, it's not so much that you

1142
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: have the ability to go. Lebron and KD had the

1143
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: ability to go wherever they wanted. But it was KD

1144
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: going to a team that won seventy three games to

1145
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: have the MVP and they had just lost the finals.

1146
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: Do you believe that KD would have been judged judged

1147
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: differently had he gone somewhere else and helped that team

1148
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: win a championship as opposed to the Warriors.

1149
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: Of course you would have got judged diferently because the way.

1150
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: And it's the same thing with Ray. We just lost

1151
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: to Miami. Then you join them, right, KD. You just

1152
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: lost the Golden State who you should have beat right

1153
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: because you up three one, you was up through and

1154
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: you joined them. And so that's why that's where the

1155
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: criticism come in because it was just like, damn, KD,

1156
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: you good enough to beat them, Like we feel like

1157
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: that's because that's how the old school stars won. We like, man,

1158
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get over the hump. I'm gonna take my lumps.

1159
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: And people just thought felt like he took the easy

1160
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: way out and that's all. But like, you know, I

1161
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: get it because we live in the culture to where

1162
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: it's off your championship. So he said, let me get

1163
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: that out the way. So now what you're gonna talk about,

1164
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: And so I get it. You know, it's more understandable

1165
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: now because I come from the old school and I

1166
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: feel like, man, you gotta you gotta get at the

1167
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: hard way.

1168
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: Sometime and maybe and maybe you don't get over the hump, yeah,

1169
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley and and car I'm alone, maybe you don't

1170
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: get over the hump. But what you don't do is

1171
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: in that. I don't I look at it like this.

1172
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: He paid his debt to society, and he paid his

1173
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: debt to the Thunder.

1174
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: His contract was up. I'm trying to think.

1175
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if he could have gone where where

1176
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: could he have gone and won a championship? If you

1177
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: look at look look at the landscape, if you go back,

1178
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: if you if you can remember, if you go back

1179
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: and look at the landscape, where is he going? If

1180
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: he goes to the Knicks, he not be He not

1181
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: beating Kyrie and Kevin Love and Braun in Cleveland. If

1182
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: he goes, if he goes anywhere else, they're not going

1183
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: to be the war. He got to go back to Okay,

1184
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: he's staying.

1185
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: Okay, see you gotta stay right you you you went

1186
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: to the finals with that team, right and you up

1187
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: three one against This was supposed to be the rivalry

1188
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: that we should have saw the next five six years

1189
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: to where one of these two teams is going to

1190
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: go to the finals every year. Right, you know, Now

1191
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: you stay there, you got the team. But I think

1192
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: a lot of that had to do with Russ. Yeah,

1193
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 2: you know, I think they had They was bumping him

1194
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: their heads and it looked like it on the court

1195
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: because you felt like Russ should have got him the

1196
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: ball more. But Russ felt like I'm the man, right,

1197
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: you know.

1198
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: And then you know it's hard to argue because the

1199
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: next year he goes to win the MVP and Average

1200
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: is trouble double. So it's hard to say that he

1201
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: couldn't be the man. And that's the hardest thing is

1202
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: that Shaq and Kobe should have won more championship together.

1203
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: But Kobe's like I'm the man and Shaq like, now

1204
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: you little brother, he's a no not no more damn.

1205
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: Because just to imagine the perfect situation is Kareem in

1206
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: Magic that Magic was Kat what you want the ball?

1207
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: Gotcha? Right.

1208
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: It's hard when one guy believes that he can be

1209
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: the man and he should be the man. Magic knew

1210
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: he could be because Magic because when when pat Riley

1211
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: challenged him and say, I need you to score more,

1212
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: Magic went I scored more average over twenty It won

1213
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: the MVP. Right, But he's like Magic tells the story

1214
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: that when Cap when pat Riley told him that he

1215
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: needed to score board, he like, you run that by Capy,

1216
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: I need you to clean it up with Cap, right,

1217
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: But damn.

1218
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: That was Magic's game was passing. Yeah, when you got

1219
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: two guys who they game is scoring, then you gotta

1220
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: say who's gonna, you know, take the lesser rolling this.

1221
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: It's hard because the way we live in a society,

1222
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: we gotta determine credit somebody.

1223
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: It ain't no fifty to fifty.

1224
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: No truth, we gotta get somebody need fifty one, We

1225
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: gotta get somebody forty nine. We gotta be sixty forty,

1226
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: We gotta be seventy thirty. Ain't no fifty to fifty.

1227
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: So whose team is it?

1228
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: Right?

1229
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: Kobe got tired of hearing he batman. I mean he

1230
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: got he Robin right that he riding Shaq coach tails.

1231
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: He was chasing something else. Yes, he was chasing. He

1232
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: knew that in order for him to become he couldn't.

1233
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: He can't.

1234
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: Yes, he got he had the Mama name with Shaq,

1235
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: But in order for us to look at him differently,

1236
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: he had to do this without shot. Yeah, we never

1237
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna we never gonna look at him. If he's doing

1238
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: all that, he win five championships with Shaq, We're not

1239
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: looking at Covid to same as we look at him now.

1240
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on a mission. He knew that he

1241
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: had to get under that shadow. He had to damn.

1242
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: He just it's a lot of just in the histories

1243
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: of sports, it's a lot of what IF's.

1244
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: Damn because plus I got we gotta sign credit to somebody, Yeah,

1245
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: we gotta sign We see this. We see this in

1246
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: football with coach Belichick and Tom Brady. Who gets the

1247
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: most credit? Right? Well, when Tom left, Tom Win got

1248
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: a championship with with with with Tampa Yep. Coach Belichick

1249
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: went to the playoffs and then two years of mediocrity.

1250
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 2: He's the coach at UNC YEP.

1251
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: We look at the forty nine ers, We look at

1252
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh, we look at Joe Montana. Coach Walsh retired,

1253
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: Joe wins another one with Tom with Seaffert, George Seffert.

1254
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: So we can say so now we can definitively save Okay,

1255
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: it was him, right, We gotta be able to determine

1256
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: who the reason why we win the championship we got.

1257
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: That's just the way we're wired. It's not good, it's

1258
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: not good enough. Right. Shaq and Kobe nah nah No.

1259
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: The Shaq was so dominant that he was you had

1260
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: to see him.

1261
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: People don't really give people people because people look at

1262
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: Shack now and they see him he having fun. People

1263
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: just don't realize man tried to dominate. You couldn't do

1264
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: nothing with him, nothing nothing. They just imagine they called

1265
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: foul shock shoot like fifty three throws the game.

1266
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: If they he caught every file man, Come on, that's damn.

1267
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: You couldn't do nothing with different. You couldn't.

1268
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: People don't realize just how athletic considering his side, considering

1269
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: his agility. People don't realize how good People think, Oh Joe, Joe,

1270
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: L and B Joel and B couldn't move like Shaq.

1271
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah with Shock, with Shaq Man Orlando Shack. In the

1272
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: first three years of L A.

1273
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: Shack, there wasn't a better athlete on the planet.

1274
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: No, Yep, he's seven to one, he's three hundred and

1275
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: thirty five thirty pound and he can move like a

1276
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: six seven guy.

1277
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: That's two hundred pounds.

1278
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to see it, Like I said something like,

1279
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: you had to see Barry Sanders playing person to really

1280
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: appreciate what he was doing. You had to see Jared Rice,

1281
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: you had to see Prime. You had some things you

1282
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: just have to see in person.

1283
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: So why is it you don't think that Jordan is

1284
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: better than Lebron? You saw both did person like James Man?

1285
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: Come on? Come on?

1286
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean because you think about it. Come on, because

1287
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: he could do more, he could rebound better.

1288
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: So what do we go off of, dude, because this

1289
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: is the argument that I have today, Like you know,

1290
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 2: like better player is one thing? Yes, like is he

1291
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: just like let's take away all the accolades. Yeah, like Lebron,

1292
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: it's probably the greatest play of the game, right, but

1293
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate. We gotta add the accolades. Ye, we have

1294
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: to add. So we're gonna team. So we're gonna we're

1295
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: gonna all So we're gonna put.

1296
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: Those like twenty all NBA selections in there, twenty one

1297
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: all NBA selections, we put it in. We're gonna put

1298
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: that in. We're gonna put those No, No, we're not

1299
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: gonna put those in there. Oh, okay, we're accolades. This is

1300
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Okay, we're gonna take the fifteen

1301
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: years or thirteen years. Jordan played the first and let's

1302
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: match him up with the fifteen Still play it, huh

1303
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: my guy, still play it? You can't say this guy,

1304
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: this guy.

1305
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: So we're saying we're crediting longevity as a reason. You

1306
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: may see like Lebron just out there. Now he's not

1307
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: out there, but I'm heeak of your superpowers.

1308
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: Did you see did you see Jordan's did you see

1309
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: jordans in Washington?

1310
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 2: I've never seen Jordan disappoint in a big moment. Did

1311
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: you see Jordan Washington?

1312
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing against Jordan Washing? Yeah, that was like a farewell.

1313
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 1: We don't do my guy still going at twenty three.

1314
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: Ain't no farewell, ain't ain't we ain't gonna be when

1315
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: we got to blast five page, it ain't d n

1316
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: ye d n year.

1317
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: Oh man, you ain't lie. I mean, that's nothing's ever going.

1318
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: You're not gonna do that. Nobody's gonna do what he's

1319
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: doing ever again. True? But is this is this a

1320
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: statistical thing? Then? If it was, then why don't we

1321
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: say Kareem was the greatest.

1322
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: Before the But see that was that was But here's

1323
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: the thing, because people say championships, but they crowned Jordan

1324
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: as the greatest players when he had none. If you

1325
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: go back and look at the late eighties and early

1326
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: the late eighties, as the best player in the league.

1327
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: They said he was the greatest player that we've ever seen,

1328
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: and he had no champions.

1329
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: They didn't call him the goat though, but we first

1330
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: of all, they didn't call him the goat.

1331
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,759
Speaker 2: They said he was the greatest player we've ever seen. Yes,

1332
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: just like when Barry Sanders was there, there's the greatest

1333
01:08:58,040 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 2: running back we've ever seen.

1334
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: Yes, but they said run. They didn't say he's the

1335
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: greatest player. They said Jordan was the greatest player we

1336
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: had ever seen, and he had no championships.

1337
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then they say he's the goal. But there's

1338
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 2: a difference between greatest player and the goat. But how

1339
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: do you go Tom Brady like Tom Brady when we

1340
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 2: just look at Tom like he's like he's the goat, right, Yeah,

1341
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: but like when you look at him compared to like

1342
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: Rogers and Mahomes, if you just watch him, like he

1343
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: don't look better than them, right.

1344
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: But see for me, I mean, look, I think Tom

1345
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: is because the quarterback is so so damn important. But

1346
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: I can make it crazy the case that lt or

1347
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice is the greatest players of all time, but

1348
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: they're not as important as the quarterback because he touches

1349
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: the ball Lebron. Jordan was never asked to do what

1350
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: Lebron has been asked to do. The Jordan had a

1351
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: specific task Lebron, they asked. Lebron said, Lebron, we need

1352
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: you to give us twenty seven. We need to give

1353
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: us ten and we need you to give us team,

1354
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: and we need you to do that every night. And

1355
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: in the meantime, we still need you to guard the

1356
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: great best player.

1357
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: All Right, I will say this, Lebron has he has

1358
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 2: the greatest of all time influence on winning. Okay, like

1359
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: from day one you put them on this team, there

1360
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: are the better team than what dp's not on it.

1361
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: Well you can say that about Jordan, but just like

1362
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 2: his influence on winning is greater, yeah, Jordan. Okay, because

1363
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 2: when you look at the teams he took to the finals,

1364
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, now you drag them, they dragged

1365
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: them eighteen team ain't got no business in the final.

1366
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 2: Then you kind of erase that because then you be like, damn,

1367
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: how did you lose when you had this?

1368
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: I think if you think about it, the only thing,

1369
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 1: the only team, the only time that I think Lebron

1370
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: really should have won the championship.

1371
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 2: Was against the Dallas Mavericks. He wasn't favorite in any

1372
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: other championship. Really does the journey matter? How you win?

1373
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: Does that matter? It does? To me? It matters, right,

1374
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: it does. Like because if you're saying Kobe became something

1375
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 2: different because he stuck it out with the Lakers and

1376
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 2: won without shock, that matters.

1377
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: That's elevated Coby. Well, see if they could have got

1378
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: him pieces. Do you think Kobe win if he doesn't

1379
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 1: get power, if they don't get Collins, not a top

1380
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: seventy five. But I'm saying if they don't get him,

1381
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: oh they don't. Lebron couldn't get nobody to come to Cleveland. Bro,

1382
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: he took think about He got tim O fay Mars

1383
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 1: GoF seventy five million, He had Dela dovera Delladover.

1384
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: Is your Mars going up there? See that's my point,

1385
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: that's what he was up again.

1386
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: Just imagine if Jerry West was his GM, he would

1387
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: have knew what pieces to put around Lebron.

1388
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: But that's what makes the journey matter. Like when you

1389
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: go through the rough times, like like me and Cole,

1390
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 2: like we talked about earlier, we were like, are we

1391
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: gonna we we we you know, the journey's over. But

1392
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: he stuck it out. Yeah, he and that meant something

1393
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: for him to stay a Laker and wait for them

1394
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: to see if they were going to do something.

1395
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: He never ran, Lebron raided, Lebron waited what year was it, Yeah,

1396
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: like year seven. He just realized that they were hear

1397
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: that Jordan Win uh yeah.

1398
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. But here's the thing. They got him, Scottie Pippen,

1399
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 2: they got him whole green. They Scotty became something we didn't.

1400
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 2: They don't know Scotty. They didn't go get Scotty here.

1401
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 2: And they drafted well. But what I'm saying they wasn't

1402
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 2: drafting well the truth. But they were trying to do

1403
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: everything to gain them. They got Ben Wallace, Shack Antoine.

1404
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 2: They was trying. But Ben Wallace was my age. Yeah,

1405
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: I mean Shaq was my age. But you think they

1406
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: think about this the great players. People always gravitate towards

1407
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 2: the great players. The good role players gravitate. Yeah, but

1408
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 2: they ain't going to Cleveland. They gravitate the water. Why

1409
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: not people? Because like Milwaukee one, Yeah, Denver one want

1410
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: to go.

1411
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Let me ask you this. You

1412
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: think John is gonna finish his career in.

1413
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 2: Milwaukee, I mean the last game we are today. It's

1414
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 2: not hard to say that somebody's gonna finish a career one.

1415
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: Team because he wants to win. And you know, once

1416
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: you get a taste of that winning truth.

1417
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 2: But whose journey was better Jordan's or Lebron's.

1418
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: You think it's harder to win as many championships as

1419
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: Jordan did with one team, or win the championships that

1420
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: he's won like Lebron on multiple teams.

1421
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 2: It's hard to win period. Yeah, oh for sure that

1422
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,879
Speaker 2: we've agreed. Yeah, we gonna agree with that. But now

1423
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: if I go say, all right, I want to go

1424
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: over here, but then I get the hand pick what

1425
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: part of the journey is that that has to mean something?

1426
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 2: That has to mean Like Jordan is say pick Pippin,

1427
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: did he right? They got him in a hunt on

1428
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: the Hens. That's saying, hey, maybe he becomes something. You know,

1429
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: like the journey has to like mean something, and you

1430
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: know it doesn't take away from Lebron's ability, like he's

1431
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 2: like like just take away all everybody, take away everybody's championships.

1432
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: Lebron has the greatest ability of any basketball player ever,

1433
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 2: like skill wise right, Like, I mean, dude, he's it's

1434
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 2: a scoring champion. He can pass like Magic, he can

1435
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: rebound like Robin I mean he can. Yeah, he can

1436
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: do what he can do it at all. Like if

1437
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: I'm building a basketball player, I want to build lebronn

1438
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: like athletics players been able to do more. But the

1439
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: mental for the two is what we always questioned about him. Well,

1440
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 2: just let me ask you a question.

1441
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Lebron James

1442
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: would have had a historically great coach. Say he had

1443
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: a Dean Smith in college for three years and then

1444
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: he get a Phil Jackson for the better part of

1445
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: his career. What coach that you believe that Lebron James

1446
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: gonna have that's gonna go to the Hall of Fame?

1447
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 2: Maybe Sposter Spots will go to the Hall of fame,

1448
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: Tyl Lou will go to the Hall of fame. Uh,

1449
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: let's see who he will right now? JJ ready, ready,

1450
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 2: Mike Brown, vote U Vogel. But who made who? Who

1451
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 2: made who did the Phil mcjordan.

1452
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: All I know is Phil left somewhere else and went

1453
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: and won a championship.

1454
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: And then Phil mc jordan. I'm just asking you a question.

1455
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: Did he tell me the coach, tell me the coach

1456
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: tell me the coach that's won a championship after they

1457
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: left Lebron?

1458
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 2: Uh? Probably nobody? Why that because Lebron elevated the coach, right.

1459
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Jordan Phil won, Phil won three more.

1460
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: Pield won five championships after he left Jordan.

1461
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you inherited Kobe in Shock. I

1462
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 2: feel what he need in here. That's like right now.

1463
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 2: If you inherit like who ain't won the championship a

1464
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: great player in the league right now?

1465
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: Vogal inherited, Vogel inherited. Didn't he have KD and book?

1466
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 2: Oh vog one Lebron? Yes? But did he get booking?

1467
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 2: Wasn't he in Phoenix? Yeah? And that was trying? Oh

1468
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: y'ad my goodness. Yeah, I mean I'm not taking nothing

1469
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: away Lebron. I think the coach. I think I get

1470
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 2: more credits than the player, than the coach, though, do

1471
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 2: you Yeah? Yeah, I can see that I give away

1472
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: in the NBA. Yeah, NFL's coaching, NBA, it's the player,

1473
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 2: you know that. Yeah, one player can change your fortune

1474
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 2: in the NBA, it's different in the You know what I'm.

1475
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: Saying, I definitely agree with that. Let me make this Clippers,

1476
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: you go to the Clippers. You said that you hated that,

1477
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: you demanded the trade to leave Boston. If you had

1478
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: it to do over again, you finish your whole career

1479
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: in Boston, even though you don't win another championship, because

1480
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: it seems like once you won, you start trading. You

1481
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: still you know that high, that that that that high

1482
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: winning a championship is, like they say, it's called chasing

1483
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: the dragon. Say, you never get that high that you

1484
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: initially felt the first time you did it, but you

1485
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: chase it. Yeah, so you won it in Boston. Let

1486
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: me go to Brooklyn, let me go to the Clippers,

1487
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: let me go to the or, let me go to

1488
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: the Wizard. You chasing that you wish you had, Like,

1489
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: you know what, if I'm gonna win another one.

1490
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna be here at Boston. Yeah. I wish I

1491
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: could have stayed there in my whole career. Yeah, I

1492
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 2: really do. But I'm not mad at my path because

1493
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 2: I had a chance to be an influence on some

1494
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 2: other young teams. Yeah, you know, and I enjoyed that experience.

1495
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: I really did, like just because being in one place

1496
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: in your whole career is great, Yeah, But to go

1497
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: to Brooklyn experience the big city, right, and then go

1498
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 2: to Washington play off these young two all stars and

1499
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 2: give them some games, yeah, and then to reunited with

1500
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 2: Doc at home to finish it out. Like, I loved

1501
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 2: the way I ended. Actually, even though I would have

1502
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 2: loved to end in Boston, I loved having that experience

1503
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 2: on the way out the way I did it because like,

1504
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 2: even in being that back home in LA, it was

1505
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 2: like it gave me a chance to retire and really

1506
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 2: kind of like put my feet down and easy to

1507
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 2: retirement in a smooth way because I hadn't already had

1508
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 2: it figured out because I'm home, I have my house

1509
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: here and my kids everything. I retired, I jumped into

1510
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: sports and on this media and it was a good

1511
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 2: transition for me.

1512
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: How difficult was it for the Clippers because your ten

1513
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,520
Speaker 1: time All Star, your Finals MVP, you an All NBA selections,

1514
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: and you're coming up the beach?

1515
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, I was, you know, it's crazy. I just

1516
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 2: called game in Washington too, and dog Dog put me

1517
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 2: on the bitch. I was hot. I was like, I

1518
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 2: just I could have stayed in Washington. It started like

1519
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: I was just like I had It was like when

1520
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 2: you get to that level and I understood what russ

1521
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 2: Feld in l A now Russell Westbrook, this is my

1522
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 2: first time ever coming off the bench. It was like

1523
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 2: a shock. I was just like, damn. It was like

1524
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: hold on, like you got to see who I'm coming

1525
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: off the bench for it was it was it was

1526
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 2: Wesley Johnson. Oh. And I was like, you know, it

1527
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 2: ain't an knock on Wesley, but I think I'm still

1528
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: I think I'm still better than him. You was just like,

1529
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, it got to the point to where I

1530
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 2: just had to be.

1531
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: Like, but you were coming off the bit, you coming

1532
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: in the clean up time. They been at three in

1533
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: the game. Truth did they put you in at some point?

1534
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: But then it got to the point I wasn't playing

1535
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: at all at all. I was like, man, you know,

1536
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: I have to man.

1537
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: We had little conversations, but then it was just like

1538
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 2: it got to the point to where I understood my world. Right, yeah,

1539
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm at the end. This is when the light like

1540
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is it for me? And then I

1541
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 2: was like Cassam Casselle was on the staff right, so

1542
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: you know practice is going. I'm on the sideline. I

1543
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 2: get the practice early workout, so he like get in

1544
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 2: there and get some reps. I looked at Sam, I said, Sam,

1545
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: and yo last year that I'll bother you. I said,

1546
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: get away from me, because he was with us in

1547
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: this last year. Yeah, I looked at him like I

1548
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: was on the sidelight chilling. I got here early, got

1549
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 2: my work out in. Now I'm watching practice.

1550
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: Everybody remembers the viral clip you going back and board

1551
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: with Raymond. Raymond, I mean it's quiet and drama. You

1552
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: thought you'd gonna get that Kobe treatment. They don't love

1553
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: you like.

1554
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,719
Speaker 2: That, man. Yeah, yeah, you know it's crazy. I didn't

1555
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 2: hear him say that. What so you did hear him say? No,

1556
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm on the bench and I'm talking to Draymond because look,

1557
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 2: Goda State Warriors was like big brother to the Clippers.

1558
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 2: And I'm coming over there, like you know, I'm the

1559
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: O g man. Hold on, y'all, ain't about to be

1560
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: punking us over here. And I'm like Blake, you know,

1561
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to put a battery in Blake. Yeah, back

1562
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 2: you know, because Draymond he you know, he going, yeah,

1563
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: man going, he trying to go at Blake, Blake an

1564
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: All Star too now, and he was like, shut up,

1565
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: you ain't Kobe. I guess I don't hear until after

1566
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: the game because he said it under the basket where

1567
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: the mic picked it up, so everybody on TV heard it.

1568
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 2: But like in the Marinas, it's hard to hear, right,

1569
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 2: So I didn't even I couldn't even hear when he

1570
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 2: first said it. I didn't know until I got into

1571
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 2: the locker room and Twitter going off and everybody say

1572
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: everything crazy. It's going crazy because you know, everybody thinking

1573
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 2: I'm just ignoring him, but I'm just kind of like

1574
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 2: I didn't hear him, right, And so you know, it

1575
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: was funny. I give it to j mind. He wanted

1576
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 2: the all time trash talkers. He got me. He got me.

1577
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 1: Oh bag, you also bad. You've been going viral because

1578
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: you said you better than d Wade.

1579
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 2: I did say that, yeah, but you know what, that's

1580
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 2: what made me who I am. You are to believe

1581
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 2: that too, Yeah, that's what gave me my edge. You

1582
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You know, I never cared about

1583
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: what people thought of me or other people's opinion. When

1584
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 2: I step on the court, I'm better than all of y'all, right,

1585
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 2: you know, and that's what made me who I am.

1586
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna work toward you. Gotta believe that though

1587
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and so I'm never I'm

1588
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 2: never gonna like I'm retired down I can change up whatever.

1589
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 2: And I knew I was retired then when I said it,

1590
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,839
Speaker 2: but like that's who I was, and that was my age.

1591
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 2: I felt like every time I stepped on the court,

1592
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: I was the best player. And that's why I made

1593
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 2: the accolads I made. Why didn't it work out with

1594
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: Kyrie and the clip the Celtics, Man, I don't know, man,

1595
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: because I thought, you know, in the preseason, I was

1596
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 2: at that game at the practice, he said, I'm gonna

1597
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: be a Clipper for life, I mean a Celtic for life,

1598
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna resign. And man, but you know Kyrie different,

1599
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 2: you know, he think on afferent level, the whole different

1600
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 2: way level wave land for whole nipper stratosphere. And I

1601
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 2: thought that could be something that was gonna work out.

1602
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 2: They can win a championship with him. But you know Kyrie,

1603
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't work out with him and bron

1604
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 2: It didn't work out with him and in Brooklyn and

1605
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: her could work out, you know, so you never know

1606
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: what Kyrie is thinking. We would have loved to have

1607
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 2: him in Boston for all them years, but it worked out.

1608
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: You know. It allowed Jason and Jalen to grow on

1609
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: their own because you know, Kyrie was the was the

1610
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: og and you know, but everything happens for a reason.

1611
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: What do you expect from the Clippers? They got Chris Paul,

1612
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: they got Bradley Bill, they got James Harden. Kawhi seemed

1613
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: to be healthy. He worked out for like a month

1614
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: after the season. Talking to t Lou, t Lu said

1615
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure his body. He missed half

1616
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: of the season last year, but he looked good. And

1617
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: they're a different team when he plays. What do you

1618
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: expect from the Clippers with Kyrie? Excuse me, with Kawhi

1619
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: being healthy and all the additions.

1620
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 2: Man, I just think I think they will be competitive,

1621
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 2: but I just think their time has kind of passed. Yeah,

1622
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 2: you know, they're older. James Harden is older, Kawhi is older,

1623
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 2: dealt with so many surgeries and Bill is older. It's

1624
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: just like this is a young man's game. Yeah, you know,

1625
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 2: and these young teams is good, OKAC Minnesota and you

1626
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 2: still got Denver over there. I think they'll be competitive,

1627
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 2: and ty Lou is a great coach and y'all got

1628
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 2: talent in but them, it's a lot of big names,

1629
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: and we all know that older big names usually don't win,

1630
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 2: and so they'll they'll they'll be good. They may be

1631
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 2: better than the Lakers. Maybe, but I don't see it.

1632
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: I don't see it. John Wall called it the career.

1633
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that how soon it ended for him? Man?

1634
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: John had a lot of lengthy injuries. You know, sometimes

1635
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 2: I can take a toll on im mentally, and I

1636
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: think he lost his mom. Yeah yeah, And you know

1637
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: he's made a lot of money, yeah, you know, in

1638
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 2: this game, and you know, he probably didn't accomplish all

1639
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: the things he wanted to accomplish. But man, he had

1640
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 2: a great Careerble, he had a great career. He's been

1641
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 2: an All Star. He's number one pick. Man. My shout

1642
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: out to the young fella. I'm glad I had to

1643
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 2: spend a year with him. Give him some game, you know,

1644
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 2: And I text him from time to time, hit him

1645
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: up and just be like, you know how you doing,

1646
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 2: young fella? And you know he has nothing to hold

1647
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: his head down. And I know it didn't end the

1648
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 2: way he wanted it to end. And we all book

1649
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 2: and we all want the storybooking, but sometime I don't

1650
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: go that way. But I mean, you know where he

1651
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 2: had a storybook from where he came from a hundreds

1652
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 2: of millions? Why is that our story book? Shait? Yeah,

1653
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: we always got a judge on championships and all that way.

1654
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: Like what or retiring on our turn? Yeah? Like no,

1655
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 2: I mean he's made hundreds of millions of dollars, He's

1656
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: played in the NBA, he was the number one pick,

1657
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 2: he got a storybook life. Yes, how about that? You're right?

1658
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: You walk to work twenty miles in the bathrobe the Knicks.

1659
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: You really was convinced the Knicks will go lose to

1660
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: the CELFI man, oh.

1661
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 2: I was sick. I was convinced. I hate the Knicks

1662
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 2: and they hate me. They hate me. You know that's

1663
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: a Boston, New York thing. Man. I know, I put

1664
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 2: my foot in my mouth. I said that on national television,

1665
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 2: and to this day, I don't regret it. And people

1666
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 2: everywhere I go say, did you really walk?

1667
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: You saw it? You saw it road walkingside the road,

1668
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: you saw it? You got a new show, Truth after Dark. Yeah,

1669
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,520
Speaker 1: where it seem if you're talking, you've given advice about relationships,

1670
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: and people seem that they don't want to take advice from

1671
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: anybody that's not married, that's not in a relationship for

1672
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: twenty plus years, been stable. Why do you feel you're

1673
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 1: one of the best to give advice or relationships.

1674
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean, because I've seen all sides of a relationship,

1675
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I've been married in long

1676
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 2: term relationships for ten plus years, a couple of them.

1677
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 2: I've had kids, I've had long term girlfriends. I've been

1678
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 2: on both sides. So I can speak on it like

1679
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 2: it's like you've been in an NFL. You can speak

1680
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 2: on it, Yes, like I can speak on being if

1681
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm not married. Now I can speak on it right

1682
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: because I was married for a long time, yeah, you know,

1683
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: and I've been engaged and I've had girlfriends, and like

1684
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 2: I just you know, I see my perspective the way

1685
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: I see it, and it ain't for everybody, you know.

1686
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I try to speak for everybody, but you know,

1687
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 2: everybody different. I just go off a lot of my

1688
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 2: experience and you can take it how you want it,

1689
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, But like I've I've seen it all. And

1690
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:22,440
Speaker 2: even if I didn't experience, I've saw other people experience

1691
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 2: and I learned from them. And that's why I feel

1692
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 2: like I'm more than qualified to give you know, a

1693
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: relationship advice.

1694
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: You once said that marriages for poor people it offers

1695
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:41,919
Speaker 1: no advantage to a man. Yes, So under that premise,

1696
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: would you get married again?

1697
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 2: That's a good question, man, Like, yeah, I'll get married

1698
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 2: again because I'm getting old. So you want a hospice wife,

1699
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 2: you want?

1700
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting Yeah, I'll get married again.

1701
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, it's just I hear too many

1702
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: of the horror stories, like especially for like I said,

1703
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 2: old people are poor people, Like think about a man

1704
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: successful rich man, Like I hate seeing stories like she

1705
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 2: got seventy percent of his wealth and she got the

1706
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 2: kids and she like you just feel like you stripped

1707
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,719
Speaker 2: a man down of his dignity. Like I hate seeing

1708
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 2: them stories, right, man, it just drives me nuts. And

1709
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: it's too many of them, and the percentages ain't in

1710
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 2: her favor as successful, not only black, just people in

1711
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:41,879
Speaker 2: that upper tax bracking. It's just like no advantage for us.

1712
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying don't do it, just you know,

1713
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 2: wait till you get old or you broke.

1714
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: Did you and your wife go apart because you had,

1715
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: like you said, you'd been married ten plus year, you

1716
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: got kids? How do you come to the conclusion, like,

1717
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: you know what they we need to part ways? Man?

1718
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 2: You know, I think it happens over time. It wasn't

1719
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 2: like a sit down one sitting Yeah. Yo, they're they're

1720
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, the wait you know, And it happened

1721
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 2: in retirement and a lot of players, you know, get

1722
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 2: divorced in retirement. Yeah, and it's just like it's a

1723
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 2: whole new dynamic that happens. Yeah, because like it's cool

1724
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 2: when you in and out you miss each other, you're

1725
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 2: going through whatever you're going through, and you can deal

1726
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 2: with it. And and you know, she get to get

1727
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 2: on to go to the game highlight herself. She in

1728
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: the line light still too, but then the lights cut

1729
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 2: off and now you coming home telling the kids to

1730
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 2: do this and changing the whole family dynamic. Yes, and

1731
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 2: it causes a riff. You know what I'm saying, And

1732
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 2: it's just like it causes like like you start side

1733
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: eye and looking at each other like nah, I wouldn't

1734
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 2: allow this if I was home all the time, you

1735
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, And then it just causes a

1736
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 2: divide and I just think like kind of like that's

1737
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 2: what happened. Yeah, you know, the vibe and the communication

1738
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 2: wasn't there in my situation, and you know, and it

1739
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 2: happens to a lot of us. You know, it's hard

1740
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 2: to make that adjustment after you're done playing behold all

1741
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 2: the time and then now you home all the time,

1742
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 2: then you just get up be like I need to

1743
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 2: go somewhere, right, And now y'all you arguing, yeah, because

1744
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 2: you got why you why you go? You ain't got

1745
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 2: you ain't got no practice, You ain't where you're going

1746
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 2: like now because you just so answer you used to

1747
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 2: traveling every week every week.

1748
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: You just like I don't know how to sit down.

1749
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: And then now that's something that's a conflict. That's a conflict.

1750
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 2: And you know, if I had it to do all

1751
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: over again, what I know now, I would have been

1752
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 2: probably more sensitive to their needs, right, instead of being selfish.

1753
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:47,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It was selfish.

1754
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Well, you got to be selfish to be great. Yeah,

1755
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 1: and you gotta have you hear Lebron. When Lebron talks,

1756
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: Lebron says, I've denied you know. And the first thing

1757
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: he says is family because when you when you what

1758
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: you and I did.

1759
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 2: Because family is the closest.

1760
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: That's why we mentioned them first, is that we apologize

1761
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: to them for being selfish. You've got in order to

1762
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: be great, you gotta be selfish because you're gonna miss recitals,

1763
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna miss certain things. You're gonna miss this because

1764
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: guess what, Oh, I can't go play in the game

1765
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: because like my daughter's recital. Well, I can't do to

1766
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: celebrate my anniversary because I gotta miss this game. So

1767
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: because I got to do my wife's anniversary. So you

1768
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: become selfish. Right, The greater the player, the more selfish he.

1769
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: Or she is. Right, I've said this. I said, I've

1770
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 2: took those traits that made me who I am and

1771
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 2: it affected Man, you take it in a relationship and

1772
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 2: a ruin it. Yep, it affected the relationship, Yes, because

1773
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 2: now you're seeing it all the time when you're home. Yes, selfishness,

1774
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 2: doing what you want to, just just so many things

1775
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 2: and like you just and they might let it be,

1776
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: they'll let its lid.

1777
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: When you got a basketball, when you play basketball, you

1778
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: play football, you play a professional sport, and you have

1779
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: a business. But when you retire, I says, all want

1780
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: to spend more time with his family. Yeah, you got

1781
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: it with you man, you ain't been there for twenty years, right,

1782
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: and then you gonna come in there and thing, she

1783
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna let you change everything and how to apple, how

1784
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 1: the system work.

1785
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 2: It gonna happened. I didn't know what the system was.

1786
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 2: I tried to come in there and change it. So

1787
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: but you know, to this day, you know, everybody cool.

1788
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah that's great. You know kids is where everybody get along.

1789
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 2: So you know, like it's an experience, yes, you know,

1790
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 2: and you go through and you learn from it and

1791
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 2: you move on. Did you see the story with.

1792
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: The guy said the young lady two hundred dollars and

1793
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: she sent him back. She sent it back to it,

1794
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: I said, because she knows her worth with a two

1795
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 1: hundred and two thousand, I know my worth. And a

1796
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: girl said me to it was two thousands, two thousand. Yes,

1797
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:56,799
Speaker 1: he sent her two thousand dollars, she said. She says,

1798
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: I know my works. We've been dealing with each other

1799
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: for an extremely long period of time. She sent it

1800
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:03,480
Speaker 1: back to it.

1801
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 2: That's a red flag. Anybody can use two racks. I

1802
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 2: can take two racks right right now. I can use

1803
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 2: two racks. I mean, damn like what you mean? Like

1804
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: you you like girls like that? You you stay away

1805
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 2: from them because like, oh, you must used to be

1806
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 2: dealing with who you're dealing with?

1807
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: Yes, who dealing with? Somebody to throw with such? And

1808
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: Suf used to do this for me? Well he not

1809
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: doing it no more? So why he stopped doing it?

1810
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 2: Right?

1811
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: You telling me who you used to do it? I

1812
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: want to know why he stopped?

1813
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 2: Right? That's the question right there, that's the question. They

1814
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 2: quick to throw that up in your faith though, pe man.

1815
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 2: That's why I'll be trying to tell the look you

1816
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: gotta it's it's messed up right now. It's game. The

1817
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 2: game is messed up. Pe.

1818
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 1: You've been giving some a good advice. You told him, say,

1819
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: look a hard working man that's building something. Lead them

1820
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: pretty girls along. Get you a five. Get you keep

1821
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,759
Speaker 1: it riding your get your five solids.

1822
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 2: Six gets somebody that's humble. Yeah, that don't require all

1823
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 2: this nine ten. That's a lot of making this, that's

1824
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 2: a lot of hookey and see and I I always

1825
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 2: have to go back. I'm not gonna tell her she

1826
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 2: all fire six, right like we all know imus. Let

1827
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 2: her give her a nine. Yeah yeah, but you know

1828
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 2: the public, No, you are five or six. Look, but

1829
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you feel like a nine. Ten. I'm

1830
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 2: a six, you are six. Yeah, We're good, We're good. Yeah, man,

1831
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 2: somebody humble. We don't care about man. Let's go get

1832
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 2: a sandwich on a Friday night, right, and you know,

1833
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 2: not be trip. You ain't got to look. I understand that.

1834
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: You know, occasionally we're gonna go to a Damasicros, we're

1835
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 1: gonna go to State forty eight. We will go to

1836
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: the nice establishment. But that is not a prerequisite. You

1837
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: don't have to walk on the red carpet. You don't

1838
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 1: have to be seen. We don't have to post everything

1839
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: on social media. Oh look, you know my soul made

1840
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: my rib and all that other food he coming you.

1841
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 2: You hide and think you understand what I'm saying. I

1842
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 2: feel like this the prettier girls are like that. They're

1843
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 2: called into the cloud, they're called into the nice things

1844
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 2: because we feed them there. Yeah, we will, you know,

1845
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,799
Speaker 2: because when like, if I'm not constantly feeding her ego

1846
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 2: as like a beautiful woman and a beautiful yes, why

1847
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 2: I say that, You're on your phone and somebody is

1848
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 2: and that's what you want all the time. Yeah, and

1849
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 2: I can't keep up with that. Yes, you know what

1850
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1851
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I know, I can't keep up with Hey,

1852
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: it was one like you had to tell her all

1853
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: the time like that, you would that you amazing you

1854
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: you you you are you awesome.

1855
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 2: You did that.

1856
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: But I've never I've never, I've never been in a

1857
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 1: situation like that when I had to constantly reinforce who

1858
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 1: she was and who she is and what type of

1859
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: person you know, what I'm a body, and how she

1860
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: looked and everything. I'm like, well, damn, I felt like

1861
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 1: I was a full time cheerleader.

1862
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah I had. I mean, it's they constantly getting it,

1863
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 2: so they needed they want it from you. In a minute,

1864
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 2: you don't I get this, Yes, somebody will like it's

1865
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 2: hard to keep up with that, man, And I hate

1866
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 2: it that that it's like that, like and that's why

1867
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,799
Speaker 2: I said, man, let me I'm gonna go this route.

1868
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 2: You know somebody who a little more humble, who actually

1869
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 2: like appreciate right the comments? Well, you know, do you

1870
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 2: shout to shot at Ruby Rose? I mean, I mean

1871
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 2: the truth, the truth he can normally called game. The

1872
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 2: one thing I know about truth, He called a game.

1873
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 2: It goes in. You hit that.

1874
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 1: Bucket, you pulled a step, pulled up a thirty.

1875
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 2: I have to catch myself, to catch myself. Cam just

1876
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 2: with ral.

1877
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: He says he wants to know a girl's past, the

1878
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 1: man that she slept with.

1879
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't be wanting to know. I don't either, No,

1880
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 2: but how about this here?

1881
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: A woman's past is that's important to a man as

1882
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 1: a man's.

1883
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 2: Future is to a woman. Would you agree with that

1884
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: a woman a man.

1885
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: A woman's past is important to a man as a

1886
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: woman as a man's man's future is.

1887
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 2: To a woman.

1888
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 1: Is because you want to know if he gonna get

1889
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: that bread, he gonna be, he gonna be, he gonna

1890
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 1: be wrapped up. He wants to know how many how

1891
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: many bodies you got and it's any of them in

1892
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 1: the NBA, NFL, or MLB. She wants to know you

1893
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: going to the NFL, you in the NBA, You're gonna

1894
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: play in the major leaguer. You're gonna be you know,

1895
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna be worth CEO.

1896
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 2: No, I don't know because most of them girls they

1897
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 2: chasing them that's already in there. So his future is

1898
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 2: important to her. Yeah, yeah, that is true. That is true. Damn,

1899
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to know the past. I don't either.

1900
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 2: I don't really care because you like me asking you

1901
01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 2: can lie. Yeah, I'm gonna go more time I spend

1902
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 2: with you, it's gonna show you. Yes, yes, you know

1903
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's gonna it's always gonna come out. Yeah,

1904
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 2: Like anytime I've ever caught a girl up on something,

1905
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 2: I didn't have to look. Yeah, it was just like, yeah,

1906
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 2: what's this?

1907
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 1: It's right here in my face, Like we go somewhere,

1908
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: how you knew everybody Like damn, like it's right right,

1909
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 1: I give you one, give your phone my friend. It's

1910
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: gonna come out every time.

1911
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,680
Speaker 2: It never else. I never had to look, right, I'm

1912
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 2: gonna just chill, you know, and then it goes, oh okay,

1913
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 2: that's what it is. I see it.

1914
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: You have you have daughters, and you know they hear you.

1915
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: You know, my daughter like Daddy, you gotta say that,

1916
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 1: you gotta talk like that because I got, I got

1917
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, my daughter's in.

1918
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 2: The thirties and so they're asking me questions.

1919
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:58,679
Speaker 1: You know, I said, maybe I'm be in the entertainment

1920
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 1: it because you find another way to entertain Daddy, Like, damn,

1921
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: how difficulty to have that conversation with man.

1922
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 2: That's difficult, sham, because like you know, I had to

1923
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:15,560
Speaker 2: deal with the situation, uh, you know, the ESPN situation

1924
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 2: with the live stream. You know I had to do.

1925
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 2: That was a difficult situation because it was just like damn.

1926
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 2: And and you know, even doing this truth after dark,

1927
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 2: I say some things you know about you know, relationships

1928
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:32,640
Speaker 2: or black women and everything, and and I'm like you

1929
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 2: on this, like you know, at this point I'm entertaining,

1930
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 2: but then there'd be some hard conversations too when you

1931
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 2: make the mistake. It's just like, man, you know, I'm human,

1932
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 2: but it don't change the fact that I'm still your dad,

1933
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 2: and it is I'm I'm human. And I know you

1934
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 2: probably look at me like a superhero sometime, man, and

1935
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 2: all of that, but you know, I'll make some mistakes.

1936
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just like anybody else out here. I'll

1937
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 2: make some mistakes, you know, someone I regret and I

1938
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 2: say some things and you know they may not come

1939
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 2: off a certain way. But like some of these things,

1940
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 2: I believe, you know, and don't you want a dad

1941
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 2: that's truthful and stand on his words. And I know

1942
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 2: they not always sound like the best thing. But the

1943
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 2: end of the day, when I'm long gone and everything,

1944
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 2: the one thing you can say about me is like,

1945
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 2: you know what, at the end of the day, Dad,

1946
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:29,679
Speaker 2: he was solid. He was solid, he was he spoke

1947
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 2: his mind, and he didn't give a damn well people

1948
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 2: said about him. And I know sometimes it may be

1949
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 2: hurt or something like that. But hopefully some of the

1950
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 2: traits I give in my opinion and the things I

1951
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 2: do and say can carry over to make you a

1952
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 2: strong person. Because I didn't. I block out the crowd noise,

1953
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 2: I block out the negative, and I hope that my

1954
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 2: kids can do the same thing. You ain't gonna always

1955
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: be the most popular person in the room. You ain't

1956
01:41:56,360 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 2: gonna always be liked, and that's what's gonna be o

1957
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 2: your character and make you stronger, and that's what's done

1958
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 2: for me. You still gamble like you used to, You

1959
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 2: don't gamble no more hard, No, not that much like

1960
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 2: once every six months, man, right, like I go to

1961
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 2: Vegas hangout, But no, no like I used to. Because

1962
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 2: you try to feel that competitiveness because we compet it, yeah,

1963
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 2: for sure, and.

1964
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 1: That don't that never leave. And that's why we missed

1965
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: the sport. What can we do to report replace what

1966
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 1: we've done for the last twenty years.

1967
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's no replacement none.

1968
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 1: There's a complace, that bus ride, that plane, ride, that

1969
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: locker room, that chemistry, that camaraderie ain't nothing.

1970
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 2: You just gotta find what makes you happy. You know.

1971
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 2: I've been trying to. Like for me, it's pouring into

1972
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 2: my kids. Yes, you know. The more time I do

1973
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 2: with that, and just like try try to stay busy,

1974
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 2: try to get the kids. When you retired, try to

1975
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 2: get routine, yes, you know, because we were no routine

1976
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:01,679
Speaker 2: because we know the structure.

1977
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: I got practice at this time, so I need to

1978
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: get my work out in it this time.

1979
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 2: I need to do this.

1980
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I need to eat, I take my nap, get on

1981
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: the bus, go to the stadium. I'm gonna play the game.

1982
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: Everything is so structured, structure, routine. Now, I got all

1983
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 1: this time on my damn hand. What the hell am

1984
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: I gonna do?

1985
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta get your When you first retire,

1986
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 2: You're like, I got a free time. I could just

1987
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 2: do whatever I want. I can travel here. That's the

1988
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 2: worst thing. So now since I've been back in routine,

1989
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 2: I've been good. I got you know, I get up,

1990
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 2: I workout. It's the first thing I do, Uh, take

1991
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,679
Speaker 2: care of the mail, make it run, my emails, kids

1992
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 2: sports with them. Like it's just I got a good routine,

1993
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 2: gonna do my podcasts and this and that, and so

1994
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:42,639
Speaker 2: I got a good flow right now. So but it's hard,

1995
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard. What's that? What's next for Paul Pierce?

1996
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:50,799
Speaker 2: What's next for Paul Pierce? Man? You know, I'm getting older,

1997
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 2: my kids are are or I got a couple of

1998
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 2: kids in high school. I got a young one. I'm

1999
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 2: just trying to still go out here and build out

2000
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 2: my media career. You know, I've been doing that from

2001
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,839
Speaker 2: day one. Since I retired. I stepped into the media field,

2002
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 2: and I enjoyed doing that. You know what I'm saying

2003
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 2: I enjoyed talking sports. I mean I enjoyed talking life

2004
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 2: and relationships, and I'm just trying to build on it.

2005
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to be a positive influence. I'm

2006
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 2: trying to have a respectable opinion. And you know, I

2007
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 2: really love what you've been able to build, Shannon. A

2008
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 2: lot a lot of us in this culture we look

2009
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 2: up to like a lot of things that you've been

2010
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 2: able to build and admire and appreciate, you know, because

2011
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 2: we got a lot of things in common. And you know,

2012
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 2: I think it's important for all of us to support

2013
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 2: each other. Yes, and that's it. Just try to be

2014
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:45,640
Speaker 2: a positive influence, take care of my kids, and you know,

2015
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 2: eventually riding into the sunset the truth. Ladies, gentlemen, that's good.

2016
01:44:55,400 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 1: All my life, running all my life, sacrifice, wanta slice?

2017
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 2: I got to brow the dice, the squad all my life.

2018
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life, all my life, been

2019
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: grinding all my life.

2020
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:10,719
Speaker 2: Sacrifice ussel bade the price.

2021
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 1: Want a slice?

2022
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 2: Got to brow the dice the squad all my life.

2023
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.

2024
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 1: M m hmm.