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Speaker 1: Today's episode is interesting.

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Speaker 2: I have been thinking about how I do my job

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Speaker 2: that this isn't really a dangerous time that we're living in.

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Speaker 2: I am not an alarmist. I am very optimistic. I

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Speaker 1: And here's a kicker.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that what I'm afraid of really truly

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Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Meaning I'm not worried about being deported.

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Speaker 2: I'm not worried about certain housing insecure, or things that

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Speaker 2: really are everyday issues, or how simple things that we

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Speaker 2: is the apathy, the idea that we are not living

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Speaker 2: in dangerous times. We are twenty some odd days, maybe

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Speaker 2: more than a month by the time you hear this

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Speaker 2: into this new year, and so much has happened. I

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Speaker 2: I can't keep track and that is my job as

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Speaker 2: got a text from David Johnson. It said, guard your joy, sibling,

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Speaker 2: guard your joy, And I thought to myself, that's really powerful.

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Speaker 1: So instead of.

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Speaker 2: Complaining, I said, let me find some joy today, let

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Speaker 1: And that was just laugh of my friends.

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Speaker 2: It was just that simple, go hang out with my folks, laugh,

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Speaker 2: balance of where we are. President Trump signed an executive

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Speaker 2: order that essentially said, if you are a federal employee

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Speaker 2: to put paid leave and we eventually will then lay

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Speaker 2: you off. DEI is not a thing. Diversity, equity and

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Speaker 2: if somehow you are employed that way, especially if it's

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Speaker 1: Who knows what happens.

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Speaker 2: The insurrectionists have been freed from January sixth. People are

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Speaker 2: truly worried about being deported as they should be. There

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Speaker 2: are simple liberties that you and I have taken for

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Speaker 1: And I'm worried.

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Speaker 2: And I need to understand what I should do because

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Speaker 2: I don't feel really educated about how to fight a

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Speaker 2: today's episode, Brittany Pacnett Cunningham Activists, mother friend's sister, smart lady,

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Speaker 2: you know all of the adjectives, joins us.

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Speaker 1: On the podcast, and I gave.

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Speaker 2: Her some examples of things that I've been able to

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Speaker 2: And how do people who are frustrated or want to

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Speaker 2: how do they respond? And I simply took on a

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Speaker 2: I'm very intentional about what I see because they will

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Speaker 2: and I don't quite frankly know what it is. But

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Speaker 2: I want to live in.

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Speaker 1: A world where I raise.

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Speaker 2: and right now it feels as if they're being taken away.

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Speaker 2: And for those who are like I don't care, I

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Speaker 1: Do your work. Do your work, your work.

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Speaker 2: Whether that's raising your children, whether that's paying and providing

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Speaker 2: and so I hope you enjoy this edition of Naked

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Speaker 2: Sports Brittany's heavy because she's so smart. Her brain's so big, right,

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Speaker 2: so she breaks it down and have a break it down,

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Speaker 2: this edition of Naked Sports. Welcome to Naked Sports, the

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Speaker 2: podcast where we live at the intersection of sports, politics,

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Speaker 2: and culture. Our purpose reveal the common threads that bind

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Speaker 3: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 4: To get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 1: Kayden Clark broke the all time single game assist record.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy for rookies to be doing. To the

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Speaker 5: And now we have Kamala Harrison. It feels more like

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Speaker 2: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 2: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit

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Speaker 2: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Gary Champion.

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Speaker 4: I'm Brittany Paknak Cunningham.

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Speaker 3: I am an activist, a writer, an educator of strategist.

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Speaker 4: I'm basically a battie for Jeffrey.

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Speaker 1: A batty for Justice. Y'all did y'all know they existed? Yes?

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Speaker 2: You did, because I'm sure you're familiar with her. In

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Speaker 2: group that we all are baddies for Justice, if you will,

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Speaker 2: and Brittany is one of ten total collective and I

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Speaker 2: think when I describe Brittany and you should always give

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Speaker 2: your friends their flowers. When I think of her, I

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Speaker 2: loved how eloquent she was and she always met at

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Speaker 2: the intersection of elegance rationality. Believe it or not, and

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Speaker 1: It's hard to give.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to give all of those things without sounding

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Speaker 2: too emotional. And if you are emotional, it's righteous. It

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Speaker 2: feels fair, it feels balanced, it feels very on scale

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Speaker 2: new year, and it feels like it's been ten years

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 4: This has been a long year.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about how you felt when Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: lost the election.

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Speaker 4: Oh, chow, Well, first of all, let me give you

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Speaker 3: Because we were mutual fans before we knew each other,

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Speaker 4: Always been sisters. And that is a.

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Speaker 3: Rarity, right, because you can meet people and have an

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Speaker 4: And I'm so glad that this one is a lasting one.

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Speaker 3: You have always been so clear eyed about your purpose work,

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Speaker 3: and to watch how deftly you intertwine for culture, woman

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Speaker 3: you You physically looked down on us, but you never

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Speaker 3: that's a beautiful thing because you're You're beautiful enough to

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Speaker 4: Wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And when I'm a jerk, it's only because I'm really

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Speaker 2: wanting to be a jerk because something is wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but that's that's my kind of battie, right, Those

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Speaker 4: Amen? Amen?

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Speaker 3: would check it, she would encourage, she would offer help,

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Speaker 3: Tell me what's wrong with it? Like poke holds in it?

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Speaker 3: Where should we be going? What should I be saying?

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Speaker 3: And so that is the kind of person I was

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Speaker 3: looking forward to inhabiting that office. It meant something, certainly

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Speaker 4: And so my reaction had everything to do with the

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Speaker 4: That night was.

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Speaker 3: You know, we got to Howard's canvas and we were

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Speaker 3: like ready to slag surf to victory, and we swag, sir,

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Speaker 4: The next day going back for our concession speech. It

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Speaker 3: this day since I, like many other black women, have

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Speaker 3: to make sure that my house is in order, because

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm very close to popping out baby number two,

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Speaker 1: What do you say?

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Speaker 2: Do you have any Yeah?

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Speaker 4: A couple of things.

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Speaker 3: One one is to find no and remain connected to

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Speaker 4: This is a time when community.

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Speaker 3: Let me be clear, community always matters, whether you've built

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Speaker 3: such that I won't disappear when either things get tough

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00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: or when the thing you're going through is out of

447
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: the headlines, right, And that kind of mutual aid that

448
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 3: is consistent and thoughtful and intentional.

449
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: That's how we need to be showing up for one another.

450
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: And so like, know who your people are and make

451
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: sure that they know who you are through consistency of action,

452
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Speaker 3: I would.

453
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Speaker 4: Say, is the first thing. The second thing I would

454
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Speaker 4: say really is to mind mind.

455
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 3: Your locus of control. There's I wrote about this online,

456
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 3: maybe yesterday, maybe the day before, I don't know. We

457
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: all have work to do, and remaining focused on that

458
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: work is part of.

459
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: What survival in this time looks like.

460
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: Because we know that a fascist playbook is shock and awe,

461
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: overwhelmed and distract So hundreds of eos in one day,

462
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: dozens of incindiarra remarks in one day, wild tweets and

463
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: posts in two days, completely and totally offensive remarks from

464
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 3: podcasts to television to you know, discord or whatever, all

465
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: in a matter of a day or two.

466
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 4: All of that is supposed to keep.

467
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Speaker 3: Us so distraught and so reactive that we can't focus

468
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 3: on what's important, right, Because what's actually important is making

469
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: sure that all of us, for example.

470
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Speaker 4: Know what to do with ice knock on the door? Right?

471
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: Did you know that you don't have to tell them anything. Nope,

472
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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about it. Nope, I haven't seen them, nope.

473
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 4: Right, Like, you know how to be a.

474
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: Disruptor and an interrupter of that injustice instead of even

475
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 3: unwittingly participating and someone's removal from this country, right, Like,

476
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: that's actually timely, and those resources have been going around

477
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: the internet, right for like, instead of just likeing it,

478
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: take the time to save the post, read through it,

479
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 3: share it over touch with your friends and say hey,

480
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: let's make sure that we all do this. Share it

481
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 3: with your neighbors, and say, hey, let's make sure we're

482
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Speaker 3: all on the same page about this.

483
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: Right.

484
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 3: But if you're so busy being outraged at his tweets,

485
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: then you'll miss the instruction of the moment this somebody's

486
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: gonna end up screwed. And I think that is really

487
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: important that we mind the business that matters, right, that

488
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 3: we stay in our lane, and then we give ourselves

489
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: an opportunity to keep our nervous systems in check long

490
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 3: enough to be effective instead of just constantly be overwhelmed.

491
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: Because that's so precisely they're texting.

492
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Speaker 1: Right, you're so right, You're so right.

493
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Speaker 2: I don't know how people who are an emotional group

494
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: of people know how to recalibrate. Yeah, we and when

495
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: we say we for everyone listening, I'm talking about the culture.

496
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking about black folks. I need to speak.

497
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: Really plainly because we are we are not be real

498
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: clear because they're not politicizing their words. They're being very clear.

499
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: If you see something, say something, Stop telling me. I

500
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: post this the other day about Elon Musk, Stop telling

501
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: me I didn't see what I saw. It's not fair

502
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: to do that. It's not fair to let them win

503
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: the campaign of social media, which is so clear and

504
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: what they're trying to do.

505
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Speaker 1: So, how do you.

506
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Speaker 2: Tell a culture not to be emotional when that is

507
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: all we have ever known in so many ways is

508
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 2: the emotion. I'm gonna talk back to the TV. I'm

509
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: gonna yell at the scream when I'm gonna do it.

510
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Speaker 1: You know we do this.

511
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't think to focus each other not to

512
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Speaker 4: be emotional.

513
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: I think we tell each other go ahead and be

514
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: emotional and then challenge the channel the emotions.

515
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Speaker 4: Right, since you're.

516
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: Feeling the rate, feel it, feel it deliberately, right, feel

517
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: it at your local school board meeting? Right, like, take

518
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: take the rage over to your mayor's office.

519
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: Right.

520
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: I live in a state that has joined a number

521
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Speaker 3: of other states, for example, in suing the administration over

522
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: these ice rays. Right, So, like, you know, there are

523
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: petitions going around to support that. There's letter writing that

524
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: happens with that. Let me go channel my rage into

525
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: this email, right, because my you know, maybe you live

526
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 3: in a state that hasn't joined up and you need

527
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: to say, hey, it's time to do so, or you

528
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: live in a state that has joined up.

529
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Speaker 4: And you're sharing that post to say I'm triud to

530
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 4: live here. Right.

531
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Speaker 3: I don't think we discourage people from our natural human tendencies.

532
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: I think that we give people the opportunity to be

533
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: disciplined with them. I also think, and this is both

534
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: to the question of survival and the question of emotion.

535
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 4: Part of what we have to become disciplined in, and

536
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: this is hard for all of us, is.

537
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: To quell our addiction to views and likes. We not

538
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: gonna be secretive. We're not gonna move smartly and deathly

539
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: if we feel like we got to broadcast the plan

540
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: before we enact the plan. Because as long as I'm

541
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: the first to broadcast the plan, then I'll go viral.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

543
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: And the tech oligarchs are removing the incentive, to be

544
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: very clear, from plenty of us who are doing this work,

545
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: to broadcast the work, because they're demonetizing those creators, they're

546
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: demonetizing those platforms, they're shadow banding us, et cetera. So

547
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: like they're helping you break the addiction because you're not

548
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: gonna make the kind of money off of it that

549
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: you might once path right, so like, go ahead, let

550
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: it go, baby. We have to be more addicted to freedom,

551
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: the idea of it, the taste of it, the smell

552
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: of it, the feel of it. We have to be

553
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: more addicted to freedom than we are. Applause, Brittany.

554
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Speaker 2: I'm going to name a few things that where people

555
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: were outraged about, and you just gave examples of what

556
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: to do with this outrage channel it in other places.

557
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you an example of where

558
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: everyone was so outraged, and by everyone, I mean what

559
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: you saw on social media and talked about in the culture,

560
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: and then you tell me what to do with that outrage.

561
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg performing at the Crypto Ball, Nelly performing at

562
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: the inauguration and Soldier Boy being there and and Ross

563
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: helping Snoop DJ. What do we do without outrage? And

564
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying we collectively, I didn't participate. I felt it,

565
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: not surprise, but what does someone do if they're so angry,

566
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: as opposed to just passing that post around?

567
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: I felt it too because Nelly performed, and then I'm

568
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: very glad that she apologized to Doctor Bernie King, but

569
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: Sexy Red put up a post with her and.

570
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: Doctor King dancing with the club child.

571
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: My own city, Saint Louis was down back a thousand, Okay,

572
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: So like, I understand the frustration, but shout out to

573
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: Sexy Red for taking responsibility, shout out to doctor King

574
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: for being so gracious in her response and giving teachable moment.

575
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: But I actually think that's the thing, right, We channel

576
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: that rage and we educate.

577
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: Here's how we educate.

578
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: Here's a book that a friend of mine is reading

579
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: and has been encouraging us to read to prepare for

580
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: this time, called Hitler's First one hundred.

581
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: Days, Because we bet their aki.

582
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: One of the things that the book talks about is

583
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: that it's not just the coercion and the brute force

584
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: of Hitler's government that got Germany in line with their agenda.

585
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: Some of it was consent, some of it was capitulation.

586
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: Some of it was people looking.

587
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: At the awe and the pomp and the circumstance and

588
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: the pageantry of it all and being so overwhelmed with

589
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: a sense of patriotism or unity or whatever that they

590
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: readily accepted a Nazi authoritarian regime.

591
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: And the Nazis did not have to.

592
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: Beat them into submission, because they awed them into submission.

593
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: Right. So like, if you are more impressed.

594
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: With who's performing at the ball, with how much money

595
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: you can make by going ahead and taking that little

596
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: trump check, right, Like, if you're more and always that,

597
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: then you are your own freedom.

598
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: Then you are at risk.

599
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: Of being seduced into compliance and capitulation with that which

600
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: means to kill you.

601
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: Right.

602
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: This is and I wrote about this in the cut

603
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: just recently, right, because yeah, I'm mad at Smooth, but

604
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: this is a teachable moment to say everybody who's sitting

605
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: there responding and saying, well, I mean at least he

606
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: got a check.

607
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: What profit of a man to gain the whole world

608
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: and lose your soul? Right? What's that check worth?

609
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: To you, baby, let's actually talk about the people that

610
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: accepted those checks in Nazi Germany and then ended up

611
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: in somebody's concentrations.

612
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 4: Again. Woof. It's a teachable moment.

613
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: Because everyone, not everyone, but you can feel the disengagement

614
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: of what. I'm just gonna chill out. I feel like

615
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: disengagement at this time is so so deadly there. It

616
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: is so dangerous to not be activated and or educated

617
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: at this moment.

618
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: You can choose one.

619
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Speaker 2: You don't need both, but it is so dangerous to

620
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Speaker 2: be I'm gonna just gonna mind my business in this moment.

621
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Speaker 1: It's scary to me.

622
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Speaker 3: When we help people have the information though, and we

623
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: were just talking about this on Undistracted, when we help

624
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: people have the information, we have to actually help people

625
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Speaker 3: translate it into knowledge.

626
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: Okay, So where our friend.

627
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: Doctor Brittany Cooper, who was on the episode, was talking

628
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Speaker 3: about the fact that we are a very information rich

629
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Speaker 3: society that you at the click of a button or

630
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: at the sound of your voice, at the click of AI.

631
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: You can have an answer to any question in the world.

632
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: Right, But if you don't synthesize that information into knowledge

633
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: and actually connect the dots onto.

634
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: What it means, then all you have is like a

635
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff rattling around your head mean anything. So

636
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: part of the overwhelm of.

637
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: Just having so much information is what leads people to

638
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: be desensitized and to check out. But if we can

639
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: help people crystallize this is the information. Here's how information

640
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: like this was used against people like.

641
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: You and I in the past.

642
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: So here's how to protect yourself, here's what to watch

643
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: out for. Here's how to protect your neighbor. If we

644
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: can help people synthesize that and connect those dots, then

645
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: we give them a sense of purpose. Right, then we

646
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: give them a sense of control. I can do something

647
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: about this versus the helplessness that makes you just say

648
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: I'm almost said it on the couch and just wait

649
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: it out and hope that I don't.

650
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: Get taken out.

651
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: If people don't get that synthesis and that knowledge and

652
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: that understanding, we're we're not doing a good job of

653
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: helping powers.

654
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: Right right, right, And And that's actually just gave me

655
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: a starting point. I'm like, where do we begin? How

656
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: many calls have you received? Or you're like, what we're

657
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: gonna do? We're we're moving to how are we gonna get.

658
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: Our money out.

659
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: And if we don't have information, simple information that pertains

660
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: to your specific infor situation, then we can't. That's what

661
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: we have to have that information available to help everybody.

662
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: I feel like we're getting ready to enter a time.

663
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: We're journalists, people who who who want to speak truth

664
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Speaker 2: to power. We're really gonna have to make some really

665
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: significant choices. Candidly, I thought, dang, we're not going to

666
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Speaker 2: see ann What am I going to say?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: How do I approach this?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be on TV arguing with a

671
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Speaker 2: white man and then I'm somewhere on somebody trying to

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Speaker 2: fight me, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Like, I want more for I

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Speaker 1: want more for my.

675
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Speaker 2: Life than this, because the boldness of their behavior is

676
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Speaker 2: out of control.

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Speaker 1: You can feel it.

678
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Speaker 2: This president has emboldened people who have very little knowledge

679
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Speaker 2: but are on emotion and bravado, and it is scary

680
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Speaker 2: to move that way. So I always think what to do,

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Speaker 2: and I want to get your take on this. I

682
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Speaker 2: think that we should handle everyone accordingly until we see

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Speaker 2: a clear and we're all leaders until we see a

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Speaker 2: very clear leader step up from whatever side. I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about parties. But yeah, we can talk about the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. But I'm looking for clear leadership. These times

687
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Speaker 2: create that, though, These times create that where people want

688
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Speaker 2: to really change the world and they speak truth to power.

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Speaker 2: We give so many of our leader's passes and we

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Speaker 2: have to hold them accountable. When Michelle stands on business,

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Speaker 2: we got to talk about everybody else who didn't stand

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Speaker 2: on business, including her husband.

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Speaker 4: And why you leave her out there like that?

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Speaker 1: Why you got her out here saying I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Go to the people should have been saying, oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: not coming either. I'm gonna be a Michelle's house, playing state.

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Speaker 1: We will be or dominoes or whatever.

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Speaker 3: We're dominoes or passing out food to the people, or

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Speaker 3: passing out banned books to the kids.

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Speaker 4: Something.

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Speaker 2: Nah, I'm not goingsten and no is a complete sentence.

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Speaker 1: See Michelle's face. And so I think.

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Speaker 2: We culturally need to be okay with calling out those

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Speaker 2: who are not doing us right, even if we love them,

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Speaker 2: even if we do because we're doing it loving.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that that's wrong. I think that

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Speaker 3: we just often forget the second half of that equation.

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Speaker 3: So of the call out of the wrongness plus the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to be better equals all of us getting more free, right,

710
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Speaker 3: which is part of the reason why I love this

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Speaker 3: exchange between Bernie's King and Sexy Red. Bernie's King sees

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Speaker 3: this picture and it's an AI picture of Sexy Red

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Speaker 3: and Doctor King in the club dancing, and Doctor.

714
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Speaker 4: King is looking at her like seductively crizy, right, like

715
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Speaker 4: what is wrong with the paople?

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Speaker 3: And like, to be clear, had this been anybody else,

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Speaker 3: they just would have gone outside her head, right, okay,

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Speaker 3: baby girl, Like, let's if you really want to go there,

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Speaker 3: let's go there. Doctor King says, you know, please delete this,

720
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Speaker 3: and here's why. The why is that you have to

721
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Speaker 3: understand that it's disrespectful to my father's legacy. It helps

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Speaker 3: other people who have ilentations for our community undermine what

723
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Speaker 3: his example was. And I'm that man's daughter. Do you

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Speaker 3: know what it feels like for our family to keep

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Speaker 3: looking up and see him be mischaracterized and being made

726
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Speaker 3: a caricature of and demeaned in ways when like, that's

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Speaker 3: my father who was assascinated right fixy read comes back

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Speaker 3: and she's like.

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Speaker 4: You are absolutely right. I am so sorry. I just

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Speaker 4: I thought it was innocent.

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Speaker 3: I retreated it and I shouldn't have deleted it. Then

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Speaker 3: doctor King comes back and she.

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Speaker 4: Says, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: And I also want to speak to everybody in the

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Speaker 3: comment who are taking this as an opportunity to disparage you.

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Speaker 3: They said, don't nobody, She was like, don't nobody need

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Speaker 3: to be in here calling you a hood, ghetto, trash, tasteless,

738
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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. She said, I want the best for you.

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Speaker 3: The freedom that he fought for and the freedom that

740
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Speaker 3: I'm fighting for is for all of us, including you,

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Speaker 3: baby girl. So thank you for listening. Let's go do

742
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Speaker 3: better together. She got everybody together in that one, right,

743
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Speaker 3: Like I got chills reading it, and so like she

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Speaker 3: gave the opportunity to do better, to show up better.

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Speaker 3: And I think that we just often don't give people that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that there doesn't need to be reconciliation,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that there doesn't need to be truth.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that there doesn't need to be accountability.

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Speaker 4: There was, there does.

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Speaker 3: And if you give somebody the opportunity improve and they

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Speaker 3: ain't trying to do it, then you gonna have to

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Speaker 3: catch the train another time, I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: For you and rate.

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Speaker 2: Other part is to give them grace so they can

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Speaker 2: have room to grow and be better, so we.

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Speaker 1: Can call them out. But there's still that other part.

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Speaker 3: I think what's fair is that our grace can extend

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Speaker 3: to where somebody's responsibility begins.

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Speaker 4: Sexy Red took responsibility.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Doctor King offered her grades and in doing so gave

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Speaker 3: all of us and Sexy read.

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Speaker 4: To teachable moment right, and.

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Speaker 3: It went much better and can be uplifted as a

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Speaker 3: beautiful example and teachable moment for everybody versus some that

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Speaker 3: ends up on the shape.

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Speaker 1: Room back in a moment.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that I think big is often missing

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Speaker 3: is that while we call out the people who ain't

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Speaker 3: doing it, we need to amplify and pump up the

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Speaker 3: people who are doing it right, who are operating with integrity,

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Speaker 3: who are operating with consistency, who are teachable, who are

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Speaker 3: correctable right. And I think that like the truth of

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Speaker 3: the matter is, there are lots of leaders in lots

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Speaker 3: of places where we need them. There are people who

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Speaker 3: are operating at the national level, but there are folks

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Speaker 3: who are doing that in the narrative space, and we

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Speaker 3: need them. There are people who are doing that in

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Speaker 3: sports and culture and we need them. There are people

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Speaker 3: who are doing that in politics, and we need them.

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Speaker 3: But we also need like local people who are making

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Speaker 3: sure that the one abortion clinic in town stay open.

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Speaker 4: Right, We also need local folks who are.

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Speaker 3: Willing to say, I'm going to run for school board

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Speaker 3: because Miles for Liberty took over my school board and

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Speaker 3: somebody's gonna have I yelled at them for eight meetings

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Speaker 3: straight last school year, and now I'm just gonna have

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Speaker 3: to go up there and sit next.

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Speaker 4: To them and try to prevent them from doing all

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Speaker 4: this damage.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like, I think it's so important for us to

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Speaker 3: realize that whatever space in which we're leading, we all

793
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Speaker 3: have a position of impact.

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Speaker 4: It may just be over your children, but how.

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Speaker 3: You raise them, the books that you have in your house,

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Speaker 3: the films that you take them to, who they have

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00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: a play date with, where you decide to raise them,

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Speaker 3: what zip code they're being raised, and what school they

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Speaker 3: go to. All of that is helping either perpetuate supremacy culture.

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Speaker 4: Or dismantle supremacy culture.

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Speaker 3: So you made a choice about how you lead, right,

802
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Speaker 3: But it is all of our job to lead in

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Speaker 3: some kind of way, and we have to make sure

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Speaker 3: that we don't keep leaving that work to somebody else

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Speaker 3: because we're looking for a savior.

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Speaker 2: It's all of our responsibilities. That was the charge, folks.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear what we gotta do? And it's real simple.

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Speaker 3: You don't cook.

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Speaker 1: You gotta do or you're gonna cook. Cook. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: raise the kids right, raise the kids right, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: raise good citizens. Dude, if you want to be in

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Speaker 1: the front lines.

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Speaker 3: If I have to hi, if I had to cut

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Speaker 3: your kid out because they ain't class of mine and

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Speaker 3: they start tripping, then we got a whole problem.

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Speaker 1: Then you add then you mad at me.

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Speaker 2: Brittany, You, as I have said before, always always, always

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Speaker 2: make it so crystal clear. And I so appreciate you

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Speaker 2: for being a leader in this space and reminding us

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Speaker 2: to give grace because I'm tired of us kicking each

821
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Speaker 2: other's back sand when we're mad, like we can give

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Speaker 2: grace and our grace, our grace can turn into a

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Speaker 2: teachable moment no matter what.

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Speaker 1: And for doctor King.

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Speaker 2: To say, with accountability, they can live with accountability. This

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Speaker 2: is for all y'all, and y'all stop calling her hood

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Speaker 2: and y'all stop calling her names.

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Speaker 1: That's not the response. The response is to educate.

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Speaker 2: I love that more than anything, and so as we

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Speaker 2: buckle down forever long.

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Speaker 1: If some say four years, I would you know that

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Speaker 1: would be.

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Speaker 4: Only four years. That's that's our job to make sure.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the job.

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Speaker 4: But I don't.

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Speaker 1: Hear like good.

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Speaker 2: Nothing surprises me anymore. And I don't think it's just

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Speaker 2: four years if I was honest. But that's because I'm

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Speaker 2: mentally getting myself ready. Always keep God first, Always remember

840
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Speaker 2: to pray. I don't know who your God is, but

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Speaker 2: my God says pray, and my God says give grace.

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Speaker 2: But my God says, this time we got to be revolutionary.

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Speaker 2: This is a time for us to be revolutionary with

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Speaker 2: our love and our bodies and our spirits and and you,

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Speaker 2: to me, that means we are still fighting. Whatever that

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Speaker 2: looks like. I'm not saying, go and cuss everybody out

847
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Speaker 2: of work. Don't go and cuss out John at work tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying, you still need to be revolutionary. We

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Speaker 2: need to be revolutionary before I let you go, Doctor, Preacher,

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Speaker 2: Bishop all the things healer, mother, wife, sister, all the things.

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Speaker 2: Mama John's said this, guard your joy, siblings, guard your joy.

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Speaker 2: I don't care how you feel about him, not you,

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Speaker 2: per se. But the proverbial you guard your joy to

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Speaker 2: me was just made sense. It was like, I'm about

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Speaker 2: to go out here and do this, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: guard my joy to at the same time.

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Speaker 1: What would you like to tell the people? Prittany Oh?

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Speaker 3: First of all, David Johnson's the one who told me

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Speaker 3: to read Hiller's first one hundred days.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what would I like to tell the people? Do

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Speaker 4: your work? Do your work, do your work, do your work,

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Speaker 4: do your.

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Speaker 1: Work, Harry's work, do my black job, my black Jessee.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love you, Sis, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: On Naked Sports. Naked Sports written and executive produced by

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Speaker 2: me Harry Champion, produced by Jock pys Thomas, Sound designed

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Speaker 2: and mastered by Dwayne Crawford. Associate producer Ola Busayl Shabby.

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Speaker 2: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast

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