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Speaker 1: The World's a big podcasts. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It

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Speaker 1: is time to put the hay in the barn, as

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Speaker 3: How do you know which way the play is going

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at ji Lets Stadium, and oh god, whoa, it's a

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Speaker 1: tough Tuesday. It's a tough tuesday. I did not expect that. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: I predicted. I thought Patriots win twenty seven and nothing

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Speaker 1: become another team's get right game. You know, we became

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys get right game. You know, they lost to

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Speaker 1: what we used to do. Like we'd have a bad

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Speaker 5: We know, how many people think the Saints are.

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Speaker 1: They get right game for the paper for us, I

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Speaker 1: don't see how you can believe that, you know it.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's like another one where it can go

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Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, you know it was.

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Speaker 1: Bad and you know what the worst part of the

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Speaker 1: game was losing Judon and Gonzales. You lost arguably your

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Speaker 9: And I mean that's just scratch on the surface of it,

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Speaker 9: front and center, bring some entertainment, bring some life and

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Speaker 9: been a star through these first three and change that

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Speaker 9: he played. You talk about just a need for playmakers

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Speaker 9: on this team, and you just lost arguably two of

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Speaker 9: which we're all talking about the offense and Mac and

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Speaker 10: It's gonna be a big, big blows.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the only saving grace maybe is if Jonathan

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Speaker 13: But still, yeah, you know, I feel like the injuries

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we know that if the Patriots are going to

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and especially Gonzales and Matthew Judon to the way.

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Speaker 5: We're not going to spend two hours sugarcoating it.

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Speaker 3: But you can blow off a bad game as a

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Speaker 3: bad game, you know, like that's not you know, Bill

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Speaker 1: I like it. My good job, good job, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I have to be transparent while this is all transpiring

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Speaker 1: during the game, I have to admit I was thinking,

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Speaker 11: No, I mean, I'm just coming from you.

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Speaker 5: That is just no jarring Evan and I just I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you don't stop trying, you don't stop frustrated.

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Speaker 13: The only way you get to five hundred at this

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Speaker 1: But they're playing us without our best player.

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Speaker 10: Too, right, and that changes it. That changes it for me.

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Speaker 13: It's like Matisa and I were looking at the rest

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Speaker 11: You still have to play the Dolphins.

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Speaker 13: You still have to There's so many people that you.

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Speaker 1: See the cheap Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: So that's so that's four that you're probably going to

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Speaker 3: be hard pressed. So that's seven losses. So to Fred's point,

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Speaker 3: you know, try to get to five hundred. You do

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Speaker 3: And I think those other nine games are probably all

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Speaker 5: They're coin flips.

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Speaker 1: And then okay, so let's say you do get to

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Speaker 1: five hundred. What good does that do you at this point?

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Speaker 14: How Fred really had an introspective to look at No,

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Speaker 14: I'm really looking at this and I'm looking at our personnel,

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Speaker 14: and I'm talking about offense mostly it ain't good enough.

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Speaker 1: It's just not good enough. And how do you turn

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Speaker 9: And what is the team? You know, what team is

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Speaker 11: We felt like those.

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Speaker 10: Were those were coin flips.

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Speaker 9: Like without Judon and Gonzales, do you really feel that,

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Speaker 9: like there's still coin flips, Like I feel like it's

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Speaker 3: Now, it depends, it depends which one, you know, the

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Speaker 10: Like the Raiders okay, but like Adams well without like

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Speaker 3: But you're still dealing with even this week, Okay, New

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Speaker 5: It, Rashid.

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Speaker 5: So is it Miles Bryant and Sean Wade, Like that's.

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Speaker 10: That's Jonathan Jones and Jack Jones.

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Speaker 3: That trouble that is that is a coin flip game

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Speaker 3: to me, only because the other team can't score. But

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Speaker 3: I would worry about the games like Washington, which is

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Speaker 3: about because they've they've demonstrated the ability to score the courts.

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Speaker 3: You know, the the Colt young quarterback is making plays

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Speaker 3: like he did, Mitchew can put points on the boyd too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: now that offense is played well, those teams worry me.

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Speaker 5: There, and.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm afraid of.

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Speaker 5: This is why we got them.

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Speaker 5: No, that was his first great game.

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Speaker 3: Is well, unless Joe Buck and Troy Aikman were blowing

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Speaker 5: Back better than ever.

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Speaker 11: Because that's right. You're at a point now where you

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Speaker 11: The decision making in that game, for Mac was uncharacteristic

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Speaker 5: Yard but can you imagine doing it twice?

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Speaker 11: The first one.

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Speaker 5: The first one almost had like four different turnovers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 3: I mean I just I looked at and reached him

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Speaker 3: That particular throw is a throw that he can't make

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Speaker 10: If he saw it. Yeah, he had Parker on at

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Speaker 9: He was more tweeting just about how terrible the past

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Speaker 10: A lot, but he made it pert worse.

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Speaker 3: argue with that, but I would also so argue that

445
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Speaker 3: he didn't handle it like I've seen him handle it

446
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Speaker 3: in the past, to Heaven's point, especially seeing him show better, Yeah,

447
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 3: I've seen him show better poise in the pocket this game.

448
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, he did not show any poison, like.

449
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Speaker 1: Just guessing, we don't. I think it's just unraveled for him.

450
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Speaker 9: I mean, I just I think he started the press

451
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Speaker 9: and I think it was just one of those games

452
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Speaker 9: where he lost it, but but just real quick. Like

453
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Speaker 9: it had me wondering if a quarterback breaks the pocket

454
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Speaker 9: and the Yeah, I guess there was pressure there, but

455
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Speaker 9: he could have just did a little move up and

456
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Speaker 9: you know, take a little size sep. Do they qualify

457
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Speaker 9: that as a pressure even if though he could have

458
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Speaker 9: gotten around, he broke the pocket of his own volig.

459
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Speaker 5: Like I said, I thought there was a lot of pressure.

460
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Speaker 3: I thought there was a lot of very quick pressure,

461
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Speaker 3: but not to the point where it should have impacted

462
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Speaker 3: where his head was going. I thought he was watching

463
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Speaker 3: the rush yep, instead of looking and that's why. And

464
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Speaker 3: I thought Greg Olsen did a really good job at

465
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Speaker 3: times during the game of showing you know this, this

466
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Speaker 3: is an easy little throw right here is a four

467
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Speaker 3: yard crosser to Devonte Parker was there where he's not

468
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Speaker 3: like wide open like this guy on him, but that's

469
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Speaker 3: kind of NFL open. And I thought greg Olsen did

470
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Speaker 3: a good job of not killing him but saying these

471
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Speaker 3: these are throws that need to be made. And I

472
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Speaker 3: think instead of making those throws. He was watching Micah Parsons.

473
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Speaker 3: It was an ongoing listen, he was an ongoing problem.

474
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Speaker 5: He's a great player.

475
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Speaker 10: It wasn't just him too, I think it was other guy.

476
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Speaker 9: Like there were a couple of there's one you know,

477
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Speaker 9: where the guard kind of came across Andrews and and

478
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Speaker 9: and Andrews kind of took him and was it looked

479
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Speaker 9: like he might have gotten through, but he was kind

480
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Speaker 9: of falling down.

481
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Speaker 10: So it wasn't like he's coming up the middle. He's

482
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Speaker 10: kind of falling.

483
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Speaker 9: And it was just so many times when like Mac

484
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Speaker 9: do a little stuff to the left and fire the

485
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Speaker 9: ball like you know, and it's just it seemed as

486
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Speaker 9: soon as he felt like there was gonna be pressure,

487
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Speaker 9: he was out of his mind and doing something.

488
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Speaker 3: The stripsack to me was infuriating, like he's sort of

489
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Speaker 3: like jogging to the left down near his goal line,

490
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Speaker 3: Like do you not think that someone's coming, Like there's

491
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Speaker 3: no there was no awareness.

492
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Speaker 10: On is coming.

493
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Speaker 5: It's just us.

494
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Speaker 11: Well that is the point though, is no one is

495
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Speaker 11: cut like Mac is going to be the quarterback of

496
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Speaker 11: his team barring injury, Like he's he's going to be

497
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Speaker 11: the quarterback and to get him back on the tracks

498
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Speaker 11: here is just it starts with him really getting back

499
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Speaker 11: to where he was I thought in week one where

500
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Speaker 11: he did manage the pocket well, I thought, and he

501
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Speaker 11: did beat pressure by a quick release and getting the

502
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Speaker 11: ball out on time and those different types of things.

503
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Speaker 11: In this game, I I I watched the offensive line

504
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Speaker 11: multiple times through because fifty percent pressure rate from next gen,

505
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Speaker 11: fifty percent pressure rate from PFF. Other people are telling me.

506
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Speaker 5: So everybody was in control. Everybody was in agreement on that.

507
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Speaker 11: There Ever, everybody was telling me that the pressure was

508
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Speaker 11: was horrible and that on when it was bad. And uh,

509
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 11: you know, Viderian Lowe is he was bad like we all.

510
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Speaker 11: We all could see that. And and and uh he

511
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Speaker 11: gave he gave up nine nine pressures in this game,

512
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 11: nineteen pressures, seventeen in his two starts.

513
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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, sorry seven last week.

514
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Speaker 11: And uh so he was he was dreadful in this game.

515
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 11: But in general, I thought that there was a lot

516
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 11: of opportunities to just make some layups and get the

517
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Speaker 11: football out and get the ball out of the pocket.

518
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 11: And he made two of his turnovers were in clean pockets.

519
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 11: So you sit there and blame and blame the you know,

520
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 11: the pick six, or he's in a clean pocket and

521
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 11: he panicks. He panicked, and I just I've never seen Mac.

522
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Speaker 11: I honestly started to question in the second quarter if

523
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Speaker 11: you even knew what play they were running like, because

524
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Speaker 11: when I say that, I mean like, as the ball

525
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 11: was snapped, like he lost his mind totally, and you

526
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Speaker 11: kind of wonder if, like his eyes just weren't even

527
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 11: going anywhere, and you just kind of wonder if he

528
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 11: just lost all sense of the game at that point.

529
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Speaker 3: So that's why, like when when Mike was talking about

530
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Speaker 3: all the like, I'm not telling you that I disagree

531
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: with the rankings, Like I'm telling you that there were

532
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 3: plays that pressure presented itself that he just needed to

533
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: throw the ball, like Evan just explained, he did throughout

534
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia game where he threw it in like two

535
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: point oh one whatever seconds on average, And that's how

536
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: they negated that pass rush is they got it out

537
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: really quickly. Now, maybe he took a lot of hits

538
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: in that game he didn't want to take any more,

539
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: Like I don't know what the reason is, but for

540
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 3: whatever reason, he didn't do the same thing in this

541
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Speaker 3: game that he has, I think generally, because I am

542
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 3: not a believer in mac Jones' future. That's no, I

543
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: don't think that's a secret. But I haven't been down

544
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: on mac Jones to the point where he played on Sunday. Yeah,

545
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 3: that's a totally different animal like and he's a better

546
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: player than.

547
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Speaker 9: That, agreed, And that's why I think it's And I

548
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 9: mean I just to say it, like I acknowledged, like

549
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 9: this was, you know, a terrible game for him, and

550
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 9: it's hard because, like you said, Paul, you said him

551
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 9: many times like he hasn't really won a game or

552
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 9: lost the game, and now this feels like the first loss.

553
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 9: So you can feel the energy of Patriots Nation being like,

554
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 9: now we have our excuse to say that's it, We're done.

555
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: I will say that I did, and I was on

556
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: the mail bag. I got a handful of those and

557
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 3: we never get them.

558
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And I mean I would say, look, I mean,

559
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Speaker 9: I'm I'm on Paul's side of the street with us generally,

560
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 9: but even I am saying, I think we need to

561
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Speaker 9: just give him this week to see him have the

562
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Speaker 9: ability to bounce back, because I think every player has

563
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 9: a game like this at some point in their career,

564
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 9: and you know, you have to be a little bit

565
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 9: flexible with that performance. And you know, I just look,

566
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Speaker 9: like I said, there's a long season ago. There's no

567
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 9: reason to jump off the bridge right now. I mean,

568
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 9: as much as we all want to, and we've been

569
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 9: seeing the same thing. And I'm sure Paul can tell you.

570
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 9: I was frustrated watching the game, like this is the

571
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 9: same thing we're watching over and over again. But it's

572
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Speaker 9: just hard to jump off the bridge when they just

573
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 9: didn't bring their game. They didn't bring their game in

574
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 9: that one. I want to judge them off of one

575
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 9: where all right at least likely.

576
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Speaker 1: But if you're the Saints and you looked at that game,

577
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Speaker 1: are you chopping at the bit right now? Yeah and

578
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: saying okay, yeah.

579
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Speaker 10: And that's why I don't know, you know.

580
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 9: And it goes back to like Paul's fifty to fifty thing,

581
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 9: where I mean, I'm feeling a little bit down where

582
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 9: I'm like, I don't I feel like forty sixty on

583
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 9: those games with the Patriots, just because.

584
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 10: Of the defensive injuries and all that.

585
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 9: But I think the Saints are kind of a perfect

586
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 9: team for this because they they have a respectable defense.

587
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 9: They certainly have pieces. The Patriots are not going to

588
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 9: get handed this game offensively, at least, and I think

589
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 9: that it'll give them a chance to at least go

590
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 9: against the good defense.

591
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 10: Try to get right, but don't let those.

592
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Speaker 1: Weapons on it.

593
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 3: I just would like to see the game unfold properly,

594
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: as opposed to like minus three turnals or plus three

595
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: internal you know, like if I'd like to see what happens,

596
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: just you know, the teams play if they you know,

597
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 3: if these two teams want to play close to the vest.

598
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: I don't know how healthy Derek Carr is. I didn't

599
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: get a chance to watch a ton of that game.

600
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: The final score of that game was deceptive. It was

601
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: a touchdown game with about two minutes left. Yeah, it

602
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: was seventeen to nine. But Derek Carr only threw for

603
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: like one hundred and thirty yards.

604
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Speaker 11: Yeah, he set a career high for passes behind the

605
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Speaker 11: line as.

606
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like Camara has everything. I had thirteen

607
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 3: catches for thirty three yards. That set a record for

608
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: the most catches fewish yards in the history of the league. Seriously,

609
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: so I don't know how much of that had to

610
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: do with his health and how much of it had

611
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: to do with just their offense is struggling. I know,

612
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 3: my boy, Pete Carmichael is under a lot of fire there.

613
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 3: Former teammate of mine, Fred Every offensive coordinator for the

614
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: Saints Boston Park League, Well, he was the offensive coordinator

615
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: for a long time, but didn't keep playing right now.

616
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 5: No baseball baseball, Yeah, no, he was a good player.

617
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 11: The Bucks played a lot of too high defense and

618
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 11: basically just dare Derek Carr to beat them outside the

619
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Speaker 11: numbers sound familiar.

620
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Speaker 3: Now, they had it, but they did have a great

621
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Speaker 3: deep ball to lave that. I mean, kind of got

622
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: to have that one could have changed the complexion of

623
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: the game. You know, when you when you're that kind

624
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: of an offense and you're setting up a shot or

625
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: two and then you get it and then you miss it.

626
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 3: That's how you went up thirty yards and get nine points.

627
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 11: I actually thought that they had two that they could

628
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 11: have hit down the field. The first one was the

629
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Speaker 11: drop or ish if you want to call.

630
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Speaker 5: It, was a little late too. I thought he was

631
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: open and he didn't get it to it.

632
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Speaker 11: And then the other one. I just had a really

633
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 11: fun time watching Vida veya. My god, is that guy

634
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 11: a monster? And he was right in his lap and

635
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 11: and car couldn't get enough.

636
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: On It's another team, I mean, we can get to

637
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: this more tomorrow. Another team with a lot of problems

638
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: in the offensive line. Caesar Ruiz didn't play because of

639
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: a concussion. Pete had to leave the game because of

640
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: a concussion. So those guys may or may not be available.

641
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: They've struggled at right tackle with Penning a little bit too, So.

642
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, they're they're image right guard. Their right guard had

643
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 11: a really I think that's Ruiz's backup. I believe he

644
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 11: had a pretty rough game. I think that, you know,

645
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 11: for the Patriots offense, it's just if you're out on

646
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 11: Mac Jones, like I'm not I'm not gonna blame you,

647
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 11: Like I'm not going to keep pounding the table for

648
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 11: a guy that clearly just has limitations and and is struggling.

649
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 11: But why I'm in such a dark place with the

650
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 11: team is because, like, is this going to be better

651
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 11: with Drake may next year? Like is that what you're

652
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 11: trying to tell me? Like, even if they lose a

653
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 11: bunch of games and they get that a top ten pick,

654
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 11: like how is it gonna okay unless they change their philosophy?

655
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: This is this is this is what I've been preparing,

656
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: oh prior to because ever kind of opened the door

657
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: to what to say with, you know, like, okay, so

658
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: you get Caleb Williams, how is it going to be

659
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: better if you stick with the same philosophy. I was

660
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: waiting for a state and I've come to the point

661
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: now where when it comes to Bill Belichick, who runs

662
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Speaker 1: this team, I still think he's the best head coach

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Speaker 1: in the league. I don't know who I would rather

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Speaker 1: have other than him, And I also think he's a

665
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Speaker 1: good GM. But my definition of GM goes beyond just personnel.

666
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Speaker 1: It's running the whole football. I still think he's one

667
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Speaker 1: of the best. But I believe in twenty twenty four

668
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: there needs to be what whatever you want to call

669
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Speaker 1: the person a personnel director GM, whatever you want to

670
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Speaker 1: call that, that person answers to Robert Craft and whether

671
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: it's Matt grow or somebody else that they bring in,

672
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Speaker 1: we need somebody to head up personnel that answers to

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Speaker 1: the Crafts Jonathan and Robert and not to Bill. And

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Speaker 1: obviously they all work together and hopefully and I know

675
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Speaker 1: Bill has to be on board with this, because you know,

676
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Speaker 1: it doesn't work if he's not. But that's the conditions,

677
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Speaker 1: that's the conditions, that's what needs to happen.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, It's a really interesting scenario. But what

679
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Speaker 3: I think is is different here. I understand what you're

680
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Speaker 3: saying about. Bill has to be on board with it.

681
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Speaker 3: So let's just we'll play the game and hypothetical it

682
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Speaker 3: and say Bill's on board with it. Is Bill also

683
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Speaker 3: on board with changing his philosophy of how do you

684
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Speaker 3: win games? Because if you don't change that, he's not

685
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Speaker 3: the best.

686
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Speaker 1: Head coach in football right now.

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Speaker 3: If you can keep saying that he's and this is

688
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Speaker 3: not coming at you, we can all keep saying that

689
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Speaker 3: he's the best head coach in football. But if he

690
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Speaker 3: really believes that playing stout defense, running the ball, and

691
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Speaker 3: being good on special teams is the key to success,

692
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Speaker 3: he's not the best head coach in football anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I And that's a fair statement. And I

694
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Speaker 1: thought about that as well. And you know, part of

695
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Speaker 1: this is that you know, Bill O'Brien's still here and

696
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Speaker 1: he's running the offense, you know, but I feel like.

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Speaker 13: It's not enough to have Bill O'Brien. Bill O'Brien needs

698
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Speaker 13: the firepower, he needs the pieces. So if this GM

699
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Speaker 13: could get the personnel in here to make this better

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Speaker 13: and actually allow Bill O'Brien to run an effective offense

701
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Speaker 13: and not be telling him.

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Speaker 11: To Paul's point that you have to run.

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Speaker 3: The ball, right, I think this is Evan's point about

704
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Speaker 3: like if what changes if it's Drake may or Caleb Williams,

705
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Speaker 3: if you still think you need receivers that block, well.

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Speaker 1: Listen, you know what I mean. Like, if you're going

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Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback in the top five, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're lucky to have that, unlucky enough to have that, uh,

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Speaker 1: and your philosophy is gonna be run, run, run, then

710
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Speaker 1: what are we doing? Why why bother drafting a quarterback

711
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Speaker 1: in the top five. If that's what you're gonna do,

712
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Speaker 1: anyone can hand off the ball. So I'm assuming that

713
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Speaker 1: if you're making a commitment to draft this guy in

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Speaker 1: the top five, you're gonna.

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Speaker 13: Use him, yeah, you know, and not only use him,

716
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Speaker 13: but get.

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Speaker 3: Some And I know he'll use Caleb Williams. But if

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Speaker 3: he's Caleb Williams, is it's still not gonna be as

719
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Speaker 3: productive as.

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Speaker 5: It could be. It's too if you have this philosophy.

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Speaker 11: Still it's still gonna look bad if you put a

722
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Speaker 11: rookie quarterback next year behind the line like this and

723
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Speaker 11: with receivers like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still got I know, and I know we

725
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Speaker 1: say the Bill is stuck in his philosophy. I'm saying,

726
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Speaker 1: if right and and right now, it seems that that

727
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Speaker 1: is what he wants to do. Maybe because he agrees

728
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Speaker 1: with us that I don't have the right personnel. It's

729
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Speaker 1: we're not that good, you know. And maybe maybe and

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Speaker 1: again I'm speaking for myself, Maybe maybe he thinks that

731
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Speaker 1: Mac isn't that good, you.

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Speaker 11: Know, But I we would all agree with him that

733
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Speaker 11: Mac isn't that good. So why is your answer, Juju,

734
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Speaker 11: Simith Schuster, and MIKEASICKI like, if you really wanted to

735
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Speaker 11: win this season, wouldn't the answer be, well, let's look

736
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Speaker 11: at what Miami did for Tua, or let's look at

737
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Speaker 11: what the Eagles did for Jalen Hurts, or let's look

738
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Speaker 11: at what.

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Speaker 1: All these others may Jalen Hurts. I'd do the same thing.

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Speaker 11: I just don't. I'm just confused as to like, if

741
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Speaker 11: your goal is to win football games. And you think

742
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Speaker 11: your quarterback isn't all that great, then wouldn't the answer

743
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Speaker 11: to that be to surround the quarterback with as much

744
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Speaker 11: talent as possible so that he doesn't have to do

745
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Speaker 11: as much Because that that's that's what's crystal clear about

746
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Speaker 11: all this.

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Speaker 1: They don't let me, let me you're right. And I

748
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Speaker 1: think two years ago they attempted that and it just

749
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Speaker 1: didn't work out as much as they thought it would didn't.

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Speaker 13: I wouldn't say no, would they attept two years a

751
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Speaker 13: two years ago? Those were equate brand firepower.

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Speaker 1: They were the top of the market guys. They were

753
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Speaker 1: the best guys.

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Speaker 3: If they were the top of the market that market,

755
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Speaker 3: that's right. But they weren't that caliber of player.

756
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Speaker 5: They weren't a J. Brown. And by the way, those

757
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Speaker 5: are the guys that went in those markets. Yeah, the

758
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Speaker 5: Tyreek Hill and DeVante Adams and AJ Brown got traded

759
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Speaker 5: while you were signing those.

760
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Speaker 1: Because they didn't want to give up the assets they wanted.

761
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Speaker 11: To get it.

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Speaker 5: So don't tell me that they did that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but they also believe that those assets are part

764
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Speaker 1: of building this team. Back to contention, they didn't want

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Speaker 1: to give up those assets. I'm just saying that if

766
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Speaker 1: Bill stays, I believe we need a personnel guy that

767
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Speaker 1: answers to the crafts not to build.

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Speaker 11: But does it just as a response to that, like,

769
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Speaker 11: does that give that personal guy control of the ninety

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Speaker 11: man roster?

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Speaker 3: Because essentially, yes, under your guys, Like that's why I

772
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Speaker 3: said we have to play it hypothetically. Yeah, so Bill

773
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Speaker 3: is completely saying, you guys do whatever you want with

774
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Speaker 3: the personnel.

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Speaker 1: No, of course he has input, no, no, but I'm.

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Speaker 5: Saying that's the only way it would work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

778
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Speaker 3: I just don't think he wants to coach a team.

779
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: I don't think he thinks that the fancy wide receivers

780
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Speaker 3: are the way to go about it. Well, and like

781
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Speaker 3: I said the year before, like part of his job

782
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: should have been to understand where things were going. So

783
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Speaker 3: just because you got Hunter Henry and John Hi Smith

784
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: and paid fifty million dollars for these tight ends that

785
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: aren't worth that amount of money. They're not the kind

786
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Speaker 3: of playmakers. The next year you had top flight weapons

787
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Speaker 3: changing teams, multiple top flight weapons with Brown in hill

788
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Speaker 3: In Adams and even Hollywood. Brown, for God's sakes, would

789
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: be an improvement over what you have speed wise, and

790
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: he like that's part of being a good GM is

791
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Speaker 3: recognizing where that market's.

792
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Speaker 1: Going and going forward. Somebody else would be the ultimate

793
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Speaker 1: decider of that.

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Speaker 11: I just don't think he'll be the head coach if

795
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 11: that's the way you go.

796
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Speaker 1: And that might be true, you might be right, but

797
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Speaker 1: that's what's but I believe that's how you need to go.

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Speaker 11: I don't know, because I still believe.

799
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Speaker 1: He's the best head coach in the league. I do.

800
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Speaker 3: I haven't really thought that in a while, to be

801
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: honest with you. I see other teams that have talent

802
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: that's you know, not as not as great as what

803
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: the Patriots had in their heyday.

804
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Speaker 10: And that's it for me, Paul, I mean, that's what

805
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 10: does a coach do?

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Speaker 1: You know?

807
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Speaker 9: Like if it was coach have said, I said one

808
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 9: hundred times last week, is elevate that personnel.

809
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 10: But I just think it's.

810
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 9: Funny because we're kind of coming back to the Terry

811
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 9: Glenn Bill Parcells craft thing. Like it just sounds like

812
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Speaker 9: we're going you know what I mean, Like that's that's

813
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Speaker 9: that's what happened, right well, I mean, but but no

814
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 9: one else went and tried to get what happened.

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Speaker 1: When Robert Kraft sided with Bobby Greer. He Robert Kraft

816
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: had a personnel guy, and he said, if I'm going

817
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Speaker 1: to spend all this money to my scouting department, we're

818
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Speaker 1: going to listen to what they say.

819
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Speaker 3: But I think it comes back to I don't know

820
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Speaker 3: if you meant to make this point. It's a philosophy

821
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Speaker 3: with that position. Yeah, I think it goes back. It

822
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: goes back that far. That's not how you do it.

823
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: And as much as I love Parcels, Parcels was wrong,

824
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: Terry Glenn was how you do it. Now he ended

825
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: up being right because Terry Glenn wasn't mature enough to

826
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: handle things off the field, but he showed you immediately

827
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: that he could play and was a big part of

828
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Speaker 3: a team that went.

829
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Speaker 1: To the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 11: I also would just say that to me, it's also

831
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 11: not just about receivers. What they've done with the tackles

832
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 11: over the last couple of years is malpractice. Like they

833
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 11: went into the season with Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson

834
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 11: is their top two options at right tackle, and now

835
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 11: they have to play a guy that they traded for

836
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 11: who is gonna get cut by the team that he

837
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 11: was on previously, and Vederian Low can't block anybody again.

838
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Speaker 1: All of the above is why I believe you need

839
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: a guy now who has that autonomy.

840
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Speaker 3: But I needed to be the coach because I don't

841
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: trust it's just some random.

842
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 5: Guy to be well in lockstep with the coach.

843
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: But that works on a lot of teams.

844
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Speaker 3: No, but I don't think that Bill is gonna be

845
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: lockstep with mac Growe like, okay, I have control now, Okay,

846
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: Now we're gonna do the Evan plan and we're gonna

847
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: get weapons, So we're going to get tackles, and we're

848
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: going to get maybe some defensive lineman that can move

849
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Speaker 3: and not just take up space.

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Speaker 5: I don't think Bill will be on board with that.

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00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, I just you had a quarterback in mac Jones

852
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 11: that has his limitations. We all can see that. We

853
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 11: can all tell that he is not going to be

854
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 11: the driving force that's going to win you football games.

855
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 11: So when you look at his limitations, like the number

856
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 11: one thing with his limitations is a lack of mobility,

857
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 11: in a lack of arm talent. So what do you

858
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 11: need to do? You need to protect him and you

859
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 11: need to create bigger passing lanes because he's not going

860
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 11: to throw guys open. He's not going to scramble and

861
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 11: make these great plays off platform and stuff like that.

862
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 11: So you need to make it easier for him. You

863
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 11: need to protect him, and you need to get guys

864
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 11: that can get open. They don't have either one of

865
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 11: those boxes checked. And so unless you're telling me that,

866
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 11: there's so few quarterbacks that succeed pretty much regardless of

867
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 11: the environment that they are in. Even this year with Mahomes,

868
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 11: he's starting to, you know, feel some of the growing

869
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 11: pains of that offense and not having Tyreek and not

870
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 11: having all the weapons that they've had in the past.

871
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 11: So at some point you have to look at that

872
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 11: and say that.

873
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: But it sounds to me. It sounds to me what

874
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: you're saying is I want a Mike McDaniel Sean McVay

875
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: type of head coach.

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00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: One.

877
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 5: You need someone that's what I want. Ben Johnson.

878
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 11: Ben Johnson's a good one.

879
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: I like the where is he right now? Off?

880
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 11: I like Waldron and Seattle too. I think he does

881
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 11: a lot of creative him.

882
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 5: Well he was here, Yeah, he was the Cardinals.

883
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: My fear Paul's Wellesley guy from the Cardinals who evidently

884
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: can light up even the Niners.

885
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 11: My guess is that if you have a new coach

886
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 11: in here next year, then you're gonna have a new

887
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 11: quarterback as well. Yeah, and if that those two things happen,

888
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 11: I don't like the idea of a defensive minded head

889
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 11: coach developing that quarterback unless you're telling it would be

890
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 11: Bill O'Brien. I guess I like that a little bit better.

891
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 11: But how long is Bill O'Brien going to be here for?

892
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 11: Because if he leaves the guy just like Josh McDaniels

893
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 11: did after one year, then.

894
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien already looks like a guy who might be gone.

895
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 3: In his reports that say that he's sort of in

896
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: line that Michigan State job.

897
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: Oh really, I don't.

898
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

899
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 9: There's just one more thing that I just want to

900
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 9: bring up with this, like, cause next year they're going

901
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 9: to have at least three openings on their referensive line.

902
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 9: They're gonna have no tight ends, and they have remandre

903
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 9: As they're running back, and you want to call Kevin

904
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 9: Harrison there too.

905
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: But they'll be going into his last year, so there's.

906
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 9: Huge lifting to be done outside of the quarterback and

907
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 9: the weapons I would, you know, And so in some

908
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 9: ways I feel like, oh, it's a little bit of

909
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 9: an opportunity, but I also just wonder, like how much

910
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 9: resources do you have to add two tackles, some running

911
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 9: maybe two running backs, but this is waterbacks, you.

912
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 11: Know, Like, this is why I can't spend money on

913
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 11: nose tackles and guards, right like, this is why, this

914
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 11: is why the resources need to be allocated properly, because

915
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 11: there is a lot of things that need to be fixed.

916
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 9: By the way Paul, the Patriots have fallen to thirty

917
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 9: second in special teams in DVOA, so they are there

918
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 9: officially the last place team.

919
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 5: And funny how finding how Paul was ahead of the

920
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 5: curve on.

921
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 11: That a lot of that is because of Missfield.

922
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 13: I feel like they could have been shipping away at

923
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 13: some of this stuff that you that you brought brought

924
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 13: up just now, Mike. I feel like, but they've been

925
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 13: focusing on other things that You're like, why are they

926
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 13: resigning this person, Why are they bringing in this person?

927
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 13: They could have been shipping away at some of these

928
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 13: holes that are going to be there next year as

929
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 13: well as but I think.

930
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 11: That they in some ways. I think that some of

931
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 11: these positions that they value a little bit more than

932
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 11: other people are filled. Like I think that you will

933
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 11: have guards because you drafted like sixteen of them, and

934
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 11: you have Cold Strange under contract too. I think you

935
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 11: will have defensive linemen here next year that can play.

936
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 11: I don't think you need to go out and spend

937
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 11: twenty million dollars on a defensive end next year. So

938
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 11: I think that there are places. You know, Grushena Gonzales

939
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 11: will be back and will be healthy as your number

940
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 11: one corner. So those some of these boxes have been

941
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 11: checked already, but they just ignore the other the more

942
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 11: important boxes. They they things that they have prioritized are

943
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 11: just not things that are worth priorit prioritizing, and and

944
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 11: and on top of that, you know, we go back

945
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 11: to those Day two draft picks all the time from

946
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 11: this past draft. Kean White played nine snaps before the

947
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 11: game got out of hand in this game. Marty mop

948
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 11: who played a little bit more in this game. But

949
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 11: that's a player that's like the fourth safety on this

950
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 11: team right now.

951
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: They had and I haven't really know, like key On White,

952
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 5: at least in his limited snaps.

953
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 3: I notice him. I haven't really noticed much from Mapoo

954
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 3: other than him hitting Wattle in the head.

955
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 11: They just had they had more pressing needs than than

956
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 11: those two positions.

957
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, I totally agree.

958
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 11: And so now that now they're they're in a spot where,

959
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 11: you know, Marty Maphu might end up being a nice

960
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 11: player for them down the line. But he's not playing

961
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 11: over Jabriel Peppers, he's not playing over Kyle Duggar.

962
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

963
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 11: You know, he's starting now to play over Adrian Phillips.

964
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 11: But like he's your third safety at best, Whereas you

965
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 11: know with some of the guys that have panned out

966
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 11: in the draft, like that could have been Marvin Mims,

967
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 11: or that could have been Dowan Jones or that you know,

968
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 11: that could have been a player that could help you

969
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 11: immediately to.

970
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 9: The other receiver, Josh Downs, Like yeah.

971
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 5: I like, but I mean Rice from Knall, who's making

972
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: some place.

973
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 9: We're up the edge though, I mean Wucha is a

974
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 9: free agent. Judan will now be coming off of major

975
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 9: injury at thirty two next year.

976
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 11: So that's what you got.

977
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: So that's part of it, Like that, can I know

978
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: there's been a lot made of they have a lot

979
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 3: of money, and they're gonna have a lot of cap space,

980
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: and they'll have a lot of money to spend next year.

981
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: But what I worry about is retaining too many of

982
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: those guys. And I'm not suggesting you let them all go,

983
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: But how much money do you have to eat a

984
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: way to retain dougg er if you do.

985
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 5: And to Evan's point, maybe you don't need to. Even

986
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 5: though I love.

987
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: Kyle Dugar, I think he's a really good player. But

988
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: maybe if you have Mapu and you know you want

989
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: to have him have a bigger role next year, you

990
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: can you can let him go. Yeah, I'm not as

991
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: high on you a guy as.

992
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 5: You are, but are you really like you?

993
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: Really don't like Petrost I think is just a thoroughly

994
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 3: average player who makes a big hit or two every week,

995
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: and he's.

996
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 10: Made a lot of play since he's been here. I

997
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 10: think you're being I thought.

998
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: The play he made on the screen pass two weeks

999
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: ago was the best player that I've seen him make as.

1000
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 11: A page of it, poor Randall Cob.

1001
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was the best play I've seen

1002
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: him make his I haven't seen a lot of those.

1003
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 10: Gree To disagree.

1004
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 5: That's what I mean. That's okay, That's what I mean.

1005
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: That's what we're all here for, right, We're all we're

1006
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 3: all here to talk about different things like a when

1007
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: you like, do you re sign him? Or do you say, no,

1008
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 3: I got Mafi? I got So one of these guys

1009
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: should be able to be like, that's what you hope for.

1010
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 11: I think.

1011
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 5: But at the same time, Freddy Guy guy, you need

1012
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 5: guys to fill in.

1013
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 11: Fred's GM guy would look at the guard situation and

1014
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 11: be like, you know, Mafi can play right in. That

1015
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 11: would be that would be what they would roll And

1016
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 11: that might be what the Patriots roll with. But are

1017
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 11: they going to use the ten million dollars of not

1018
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 11: signing Mike on WINU Like, where are they going to

1019
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 11: put that money? Because this offseas and they put that

1020
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 11: money on signing like thirty average players and you know,

1021
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 11: and not actually moving the needles.

1022
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: So that's when I'm thinking about the head. Because I

1023
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: was doing the block, I was getting killed. I mean,

1024
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: the natives were restless. I mean, I was getting into fights.

1025
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: It was terri I wasn't getting in fights. With people's

1026
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: opinion about what we're talking about. It's just the venom

1027
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: that they were. And I'm like, people, I think somebody

1028
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: actually screenshot at one of my cars. I said, it's

1029
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: not about who's right or who's wrong at this point,

1030
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: why the venom? It's just football, I said, unless your

1031
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: kid's future is tied up in this game, why are

1032
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: we like going nuts here? I mean, it was really

1033
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: getting nasty, you know.

1034
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 9: I guess we're lucky at our halftime talks. They weren't

1035
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 9: they They weren't you?

1036
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: Mike and I had to spin, I know, and I

1037
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 5: heard it wasn't pretty.

1038
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 11: Old kids if we're going to get you know, And obviously.

1039
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: Most of it was Mac. That's where the venom was.

1040
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: I was pointed, as far as Mac goes, I'm still

1041
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: willing to give it this season.

1042
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 5: I don't think you really have a choice.

1043
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: You know. But but you know what I mean, like

1044
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: in terms of the fifth year option and all that,

1045
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm not like, there are people right now that city

1046
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: that's it. He's out. I mean, people were saying cut

1047
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: him after the game. I'm serious, I'm one hundred cut

1048
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: him after the game.

1049
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: If you had an option, I could understand that, but

1050
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: you don't, Well, they don't care what I'm saying is,

1051
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: but I'm trying to look at it realistically from the

1052
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: other point of view, just because I disagree with it,

1053
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be doing that. But if

1054
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: like Will Greer was here the whole year and you

1055
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 3: just said, you know, we got to get him a

1056
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: chance to play, like I think they have an idea

1057
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: of Zappy. I think they're telling you what they think

1058
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: of Zappy on multiple fronts.

1059
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 5: They've already cut.

1060
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: Them, and they're bringing in anybody with a pulse to

1061
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 3: come in and try to be the number two guy. Right,

1062
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: it was Matt Corral, it was Ian Book, and now

1063
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: it's Will Greer. Like, clearly they're looking for a number

1064
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 3: two option that's better than Bailey Zappy. So if one

1065
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: of those guys was around for like the whole year

1066
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: and knew the whole system, I wouldn't tell you that

1067
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: that's foolish.

1068
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 5: But you don't have any options. But your options are

1069
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 5: play a guy that I already caught.

1070
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: No, I don't like obviously the who's not ready. They're

1071
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: giving up of the season, and they're saying that out

1072
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: of spite. You know, they're throwing the baby out with

1073
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: the bath wash, bath water. You know so, and I

1074
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: understand where they're coming from, but that's the level that

1075
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: we were at. You know, I'm I'm not there. I'm saying,

1076
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: let's just see what this kid can do the.

1077
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 5: Rest of them, because she sounded like you were there

1078
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 5: at the beginning of the ship.

1079
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean, but I can talk about particulate.

1080
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 10: I'll jump on this grenade.

1081
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 9: But I mean, I for me, with all the holes

1082
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 9: that they have and all the conversations we've had about

1083
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 9: are they realistically going to get Drake? May you know

1084
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 9: they're not gonna get Caleb in the first overall. Like

1085
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 9: to me right now where I sit, I still think

1086
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 9: Mac is a quarterback next year, and you've got to

1087
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 9: do everything you're saying.

1088
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get Caleb Williams first overall, they're in

1089
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: the running.

1090
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 9: Well, if if he gets to that point, then then

1091
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 9: now you do it. But I think you keep playing

1092
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 9: Mac and then you see.

1093
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 11: I think, just being realistic, Fred, I think it's easier

1094
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 11: to get Fred.

1095
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 9: You're I think it'll be easier to get one of

1096
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 9: the top wide receivers, then it will be to get

1097
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 9: one of the top quarterbacks. And you will never draft

1098
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 9: a wide receiver in the top that's that's that's fair.

1099
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 10: Never But if you're.

1100
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: Going with somebody new, just like off the top of

1101
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: your head, don't give it any thought. What do you

1102
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: think the Patriots record will be when.

1103
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 5: The season's over?

1104
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 10: Eight and nine?

1105
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's why you don't think there's any chance

1106
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: to get a quote. I think they're on the way

1107
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: to like a like a five five winning team. And

1108
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 3: if you are, you're in the top five.

1109
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. And what killed me was losing Judaon and Gonzales

1110
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: because that your defense was your hope. At this point,

1111
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: you I'm saying the ceiling right now is six and eleven.

1112
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that like that those nine gets.

1113
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: So let's don't count Buffalo twice, Miami and Kansas City.

1114
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: I think we'd all agree. You can pull an upset.

1115
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: Upsets happened in the league all the time. Arizona just

1116
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: beat Dallas, right, But those four games that gives you

1117
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: seven losses. So the other nine games you have three, Yeah,

1118
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: well that's not getting you eight n like seven and two.

1119
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 5: I'm literally all games.

1120
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, I'm not trying to talk you

1121
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: out of it. Mike, I'm trying to say, like you

1122
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: think they can go eight and nine. I think Fred

1123
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: and I are kind of at the six win thing

1124
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 3: because when I see nine games that I would say

1125
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: like New Orleans, Vegas, Denver, Pittsburgh, Indye, Washington, you know,

1126
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: the Jets, the Chargers, and the Giants. Those are the

1127
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: other nine games I see five and four or four

1128
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 3: and five. I think it's a I think every one

1129
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 3: of those games could go either way, and when you

1130
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: have a lot of games that could go either way,

1131
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: they generally go either way. I don't think they'll lose

1132
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: them all, but I think it's highly unrealistic to expect

1133
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: them to go eight and one in those nine games.

1134
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 9: Well, if they get to go to go nine and

1135
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 9: eight eight nine, if they get to that point though,

1136
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 9: they even changes it.

1137
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 10: I mean it changes everything.

1138
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 9: There's not gonna be, you know, a drum breaf beat

1139
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 9: to bring this team back if they win five or

1140
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 9: six games this season, I mean it'll be it'll be turnover.

1141
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 10: I mean, no, it's gonna be the other thing that is.

1142
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I just want to fit the other

1143
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: thing that it has me losing my hope a little,

1144
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: because remember I started this season with no expectations but hope.

1145
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm losing that hope is because

1146
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't see what's gonna happen on offense that's gonna

1147
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: fix it. You know, every week so far, I've been saying, Okay,

1148
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: this is the week they're gonna start turning things around.

1149
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: I don't see what's gonna happen on offense that's gonna

1150
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: make things better. I don't see it. Please, someone tell

1151
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: me where the only thing that's gonna happen, but I

1152
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: don't see it.

1153
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 11: The only thing that I can give you, because you

1154
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 11: asked for it, is please. The offensive line should be

1155
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 11: better than this the Like. I'm not saying that they

1156
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 11: are going to be an elite, top five offensive line.

1157
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 11: They should not be the worst offense line in the NFL.

1158
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 5: They just shouldn't.

1159
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 11: And if you can figure out a better solution at

1160
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 11: right tackle than Vederian Low and maybe get cold strange

1161
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 11: to you know, be good. Yeah again or I don't

1162
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 11: even know if again is the right word. That they

1163
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 11: should be better on the line moving forward.

1164
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: Okay, they should be.

1165
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 11: And if you are, then you're looking at a team

1166
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 11: that's you know, maybe a little bit more, running the

1167
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 11: football a little bit better and doing some of those

1168
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 11: little things a little bit better. And are they going

1169
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 11: to be explosive and put up thirty points a game? No,

1170
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 11: of course not so, but that's a place to start.

1171
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: You know, there were very few givens when it came

1172
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: to the offense going into the season, but one of

1173
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: them was, oh, we think we got a pretty good

1174
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: back of Ramandre Stevenson. But even he's having trouble right now.

1175
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: And you could chalk it up to just the line

1176
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: in front of him, but he just doesn't look right.

1177
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I don't know.

1178
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 9: I think that there's also just a degree of when

1179
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 9: a football offense isn't playing well, it all looks terrible, right,

1180
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 9: looks terrible, right, And you know there's and I'm not

1181
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 9: saying that they're going to be even good, but it'll

1182
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 9: be it'll be better.

1183
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: And that's what you have coaches for, and that's what

1184
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: you know, Monday through Saturdays for is to get it's

1185
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: just to hey, let's calm down, let's break it down,

1186
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: let's watch exactly what this is, why this happened, you

1187
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: can fix this, you know, I just don't know. On

1188
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: offense what that is at this point or if it

1189
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: can be. But you know, I'll go with Evan. Let's

1190
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: say the line plays well. That answers a lot of questions.

1191
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: If they can start playing better, that's time, gives maxim

1192
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: time open some holes.

1193
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: And I think that's realistic. As they play more together,

1194
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: they should get better, right. I just don't know if

1195
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: that's the difference between you know, three more scores, four

1196
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: more scores of a game, which they need to do

1197
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 3: to get to an average level of offense.

1198
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 11: I think that they need to do something drastic on

1199
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 11: the offensive line, drastic like kicking on winter to tackle.

1200
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 11: I think you kick on win to tackle.

1201
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: By the way, had one of his worst games.

1202
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not worried about him. I think that I

1203
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 11: think it's getting a little bit overblown how bad he

1204
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 11: was Collins.

1205
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: If he's healthy, I guess supposedly he passed a physical.

1206
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 3: I mean that might have been agent speak from his agent.

1207
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: Who knows.

1208
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 11: I think you're at the point with the other last.

1209
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: Guy they signed didn't pass a physical.

1210
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 11: That guy and then Marklin McCall, hello, goodbye.

1211
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 5: It's amazing how he remembers the name he loved that guy.

1212
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you're at the point now where you

1213
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 11: have four games to judge in two of Darian Lowe,

1214
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 11: where this this is not the NFL caliber.

1215
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: It was like he played like he played left tackle

1216
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 3: the first game and you're like, hey, like the game

1217
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: didn't fall apart, He's okay, and then you're like three

1218
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: games in a row now, and it just I.

1219
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 9: Kind of brought it up like it reflects really poorly

1220
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 9: on Calvin Anderson, who I think we all were kind

1221
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 9: of like, this is the guy that they're bringing in

1222
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 9: that they have some kind of designs on because they

1223
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 9: didn't really sign anyone else. I mean, we know what

1224
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 9: Riley Reef was, and that's a like maybe hold the

1225
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 9: fort for a few games kind of a guy. But

1226
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 9: those are the moves that they were kind of trumpeting.

1227
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 9: And now that guy can't beat Vederian low out it, right,

1228
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 9: So you want to give it's a great point. You

1229
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 9: want to have a little hope.

1230
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: Yes, a team that lost just coming, a team that

1231
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: lost seventy to nothing two weeks ago came back. It

1232
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: came from behind and won a game.

1233
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: It was seventy to twenty first of all, but they

1234
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: came from behind and beat a winless team. Okay, but

1235
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: that hasn't won.

1236
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: But they didn't collect.

1237
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 5: The last game that team won was was when they

1238
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 5: be They didn't collapse.

1239
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: Even when they started, and even when they started losing

1240
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: the game after giving up seventy points, you know, it

1241
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: looked like they were gonna it was another one. They

1242
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: still came back. So there's hope.

1243
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1244
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 10: I don't want to get the you know.

1245
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 13: But we still have yet to see this team be

1246
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 13: able to do that.

1247
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: And I have no illusions that what you saw Sunday

1248
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 3: is what the team is. I don't think it's all

1249
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 3: but it's not.

1250
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 10: That was bad, but it's not all of a sudden

1251
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 10: the two thousand and seven Patriot, like you know.

1252
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 5: But if you're asking if they were playing Buffalo this week,

1253
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 5: but I give them a chance.

1254
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 11: No move on, when to tackle? Start mafia right guard,

1255
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 11: get Cold Strange back at left guard, and let's see

1256
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 11: what it looks like that those are five offensive linemen

1257
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 11: that I think are NFL caliber players. I do not

1258
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 11: think that Vederian Lowe as an NFL caliber player. So

1259
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 11: at least you have five guys that you know can

1260
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 11: play at this level. And I'm along with a lot

1261
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 11: of other offensive coaches that I could call out right now,

1262
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 11: like Adrian Clem's got to start making his money. Like,

1263
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 11: you had a lot of injuries, you had poor continuity

1264
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 11: all summer long. I get all of that, but at

1265
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 11: some point in time, you're four weeks into the season.

1266
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 11: Now you've had relatively the same group for a couple

1267
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 11: of weeks. You got to start seeing some results from

1268
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 11: the line. Because the the run game. I still have

1269
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 11: scheme questions with the run game, but in general, you

1270
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 11: got to block some people, like you know that. That's

1271
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 11: how you get this thing going. It is improve upfront.

1272
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, eight five to five past five hundred

1273
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: is the ACE ticket, hutline, web radio at pages dot

1274
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: com is the email address. Obviously a lot of people

1275
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: want to wag in here, So let's get going Collins

1276
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: in Texas. What's up Colin?

1277
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, just had two points in wanting to end

1278
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 15: up a positive notice you give me the time. So really,

1279
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 15: just the first thing I was at the game and

1280
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 15: just the forty percent Patriots fans, they're just disappointing.

1281
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: There were a lot of Patriots fans yep.

1282
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 15: Yeah, So I mean you're walking around and we were

1283
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 15: at the game like eight years ago whenever they were here,

1284
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 15: and we're walking out Canton Brady, you know, going through

1285
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 15: the halls, and it's just it was glorious and this

1286
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 15: was one hundred and eighty degrees opposite of what it was.

1287
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 15: And it's just disappointing too, because you watch that first

1288
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 15: half of the Cardinals game and they're putting them a fight,

1289
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 15: you know, and they're they're trying to actively give away

1290
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 15: assets and build for the future in tank, if you will,

1291
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 15: and we're we're not even keeping up with that, you know,

1292
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 15: and it's just it's.

1293
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 7: A shame.

1294
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: Yep.

1295
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: And I think that's where where Evan and I started with,

1296
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: you know, the Keon Whites and the and the mapus

1297
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 3: of the world like you can quote unquote tank and

1298
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 3: I know that no one will ever use that word.

1299
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: And play your butt off, just like Arizona is and

1300
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: and they're playing really hard, but they've stripped away some guys.

1301
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 3: That might be the difference between i mean winning and

1302
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 3: losing some of these close games.

1303
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 9: I like to tank, where you're playing players that are

1304
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 9: promising and you're just like, look, we're just gonna go

1305
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 9: for it, and a Kem White does what he did

1306
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 9: last week and rushes upfield.

1307
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 10: And loses his gap and some you know, they run

1308
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 10: right by him.

1309
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 11: All right, we'll live with it.

1310
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 10: Let's let them make these mistakes now for the future.

1311
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: And the Judon thing that I would worry about is

1312
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: so they gave him a little They give him a

1313
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: little bump this year to get him back in training camp. Right,

1314
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 3: So what happens the year after that, it's the stuff

1315
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 3: becomes Stefan Gilmour and that guy ends up being gone.

1316
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 3: Now maybe in a warped way, the injury helps you

1317
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: there because he's gonna have a hard time saying I

1318
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: need more money when I only played four games.

1319
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who knows what else? Colin?

1320
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 15: Yeah, And I mean we walked away saying we should

1321
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 15: have just forfeited, you know, because we would have still

1322
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 15: had Gonza positive.

1323
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: Note.

1324
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 15: I did visit the Hall of Patriots place and just

1325
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 15: want to let everybody know it's it's all it's cracked

1326
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 15: up to be. I even ran into Samara and Mike

1327
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 15: and Paul there.

1328
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 10: And it was often to you guys, And so you

1329
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 10: get an autograph from play.

1330
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 15: So if you're if you're trying to try to get

1331
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 15: the positivity back in your life. Go to the hall,

1332
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 15: you know, live through the past joys and you guys

1333
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 15: are a wonderful day, all right?

1334
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 3: Thanks Bill Peppers exhibit what's that past statue from Chey?

1335
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 15: So I'll make a quick point, and I got a

1336
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 15: question for everyone. I'm with you, Freddy, let's crash for Caleb,

1337
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 15: Let's rip this thing down to the freaking studs and

1338
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 15: start over. New head coach, new quarterbacks, new GM. Let's

1339
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 15: do it.

1340
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 6: My question though, is why do you think.

1341
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 15: And I'm not just our team specifically, but why do

1342
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 15: you think there's so many injuries in the NFL like

1343
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 15: over the past few years. Is it because of the

1344
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 15: CBA agreement and now they're they've practiced year round.

1345
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: I think the time.

1346
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 15: Didn't change, like they still have the same amount of time,

1347
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 15: but before it was you went to training camp and

1348
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 15: that was it.

1349
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: I think there's always I think, are there any more

1350
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: this year than any other year?

1351
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 10: Don't know, I'm not that I've clocked.

1352
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we do this every year, and I

1353
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: don't have the information in front of me, so Patty

1354
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: could have it right, But I feel like, you know,

1355
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: like Tredevious White was like the most recent one.

1356
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 5: You know, he goes down with the.

1357
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: Torn achilles Aaron Rodgers.

1358
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: But it does seem like there's a lot of serious

1359
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: injuries to you know, high profile players. But I don't

1360
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: think there's any more than normal.

1361
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 10: Those two injuries to Gonze, I mean those are yeah, just.

1362
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 5: Kind of falling down.

1363
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 3: That's weird, like to me, like the Marcus Jones and

1364
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: Gonzales torn Labraham for both of them, kind of that's

1365
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: weird to me.

1366
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's funny. There's certain years that like there's

1367
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: a rash of certain injuries. Like one year it's all hamstrings,

1368
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: this year it's all arms and shoulders.

1369
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 10: Remember the thumb year. Those a year where like there

1370
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 10: were like three or four guys that all had broken Yeah,

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00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 10: it's it's.

1372
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: Weird how that happens. Sometimes One more and then we'll

1373
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: go to Paul's Food, Donnie's and Pittsburgh. What's up Donnie?

1374
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 16: So mean to me, Hey, thanks for taking the golf thankfully.

1375
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 16: Still embarrassing films equally this week. So I'm not getting

1376
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 16: bullied out here, Yeah, but I'm just kind of done

1377
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 16: with Mac. He's a college quarterback that's where we're at.

1378
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 16: You know, last time I called him, when I emailed in,

1379
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 16: I talked about being one for seven on the first

1380
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 16: step drives against the Dolphins. Mack's career conversion rate on

1381
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 16: offensive drives so far including Dallas thirty seven percent. This year,

1382
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 16: he's ten out of forty eight for twenty percent. This

1383
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 16: might sound harsh or unfair, but those are Brandon leedon numbers.

1384
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 16: Brandon Whedon's two years in the league. He was given

1385
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 16: eight starts his second year before the Browns decide he

1386
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 16: was forty and he was twenty for ninety one that year,

1387
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 16: which is the pace Mac is currently on for eight

1388
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 16: games right now. So you know, whether he's the only

1389
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 16: option we have to ride out this year, that might

1390
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 16: just be the reality. But he is not an NFL quarterback.

1391
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 16: And you know, even if Zappi is just an NFL backup,

1392
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 16: that might be the better option this year. I'll let

1393
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 16: you guys chew on that, all right.

1394
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: Thanks Donnie. Now, Donnie did his homework.

1395
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: Toan So I don't know called me in with Bailey's

1396
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 3: app Yeah, I don't know that he's not an NFL quarterback.

1397
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a playoff caliber NFL quarterback.

1398
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 3: I'll say that, but what was that those numbers that

1399
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 3: Warren sharpatt?

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Speaker 5: Will you say?

1401
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,479
Speaker 3: It's just percentage of drives that end in a punt,

1402
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: punt or turnover. And the Patriots are dead last.

1403
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, and scores their dead last too, like same thing,

1404
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,959
Speaker 9: like a number of scores and scoring again.

1405
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 5: I think they jumped up to thirtieth with the giant skint.

1406
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: Oh, maybe a better offensive line fixes that I'm talking

1407
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: about this year twenty twenty three. But I don't know.

1408
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm losing hope really quickly about this offense. So all right, well,

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Speaker 1: take a break, we'll come back. More calls and emails

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Speaker 8: Addlo again. Everyone, a very pleasant, good afternoon. Welcome to Arlington,

1430
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Speaker 8: Texas at AT and T Stadium for a week four

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Speaker 8: encounter of the one and two New England Patriots. I'm

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Speaker 8: a two and one Dallas Cowboys. Bob soci Witscott Zolackett

1433
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Speaker 8: is great to have you with us. Now. With an

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 8: empty set on second and four, Prescott thinks the shotgun

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01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 8: staff good coveragey roll to Vanier sign and he finds

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01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 8: that open Michael galplow the near sideline. He hurdles past

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Speaker 8: Ryan at the forty five of New England and eventually

1438
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 8: Jabrill Peppers shoves him out of the forty so the

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 8: Patriots playing coverage contained. Prescott maneuvers and finds a wide

1440
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 8: open gallop down the left sideline.

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01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 11: Too much initial time in the pocket.

1442
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 18: Really didn't really have to bounce here, but you know,

1443
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 18: Wise gets in a little internal pressure forces him outside.

1444
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: That's a big play right there for Dak running gallop.

1445
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 11: That's twenty eight yards too easy.

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01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 8: You know, Pollard in the backfield hands on the east Prescott,

1447
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 8: who with an adjustment at the line, swats under center,

1448
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 8: takes the stat and he hops into Coward on the handoff.

1449
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 8: Hollard strung out, why and tackled by Dugger. The Cowboys

1450
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 8: stopped themselves before dug every course to take down at

1451
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 8: the five. It will take advantage of it.

1452
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 18: Just nothing but pure stupidity by the Cowboys. Opening driver

1453
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 18: of the game, first and goal inside the tenth quarterback

1454
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 18: running into the back.

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01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 8: You don't know which way he's going, shovel pass, faith throw.

1456
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 18: Just he hated to that guy three times.

1457
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 8: What are you doing? And now the former MLS soccer

1458
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 8: player Brandon Aubrey, who's made his first ten field goal,

1459
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 8: tries the first kicker in the Super Bowl Eras to

1460
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 8: make his first ten attempts to the first three weeks

1461
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 8: of the season. Onto it ten to twenty eight yarder

1462
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 8: from the right hatch with a snap to anger the

1463
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 8: swing of the right leg. The kick lifted of the

1464
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 8: uprights gives Dallas the early lead, a field goal, but

1465
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Speaker 8: yet a win of source for the Patriots defense. Time

1466
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 8: to turn the Cowboys aside and a search for seven

1467
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 8: What is now a three nothing game. It's a third

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Speaker 8: and six Henry motions rife that gives Joe's three receivers

1469
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Speaker 8: to the right, one Parker to the left. Stevenson steps

1470
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Speaker 8: up inside the left guard as Joe stakes a shot

1471
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Speaker 8: against step pocket holding now Mack rolling left, running downfield,

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Speaker 8: Soft passes to a wide up and the Doubles at

1473
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Speaker 8: the party. He stutter stepping a test standing the part

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01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 8: side line twenty and the Marios Doubles tumbles out of

1475
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 8: bounds first down New England.

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Speaker 18: When that Jones start this game extremely accurate here scrambled out.

1477
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 8: I thought he was gonna take off.

1478
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 18: I thought he could have picked it up with the

1479
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 18: Cowboys started to close defensively, directs traffic and floats one

1480
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 18: perfected at the Mayo.

1481
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Speaker 8: Douglas and then he spits out of the cut. Want

1482
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 8: to move but again now hell an attempt a try

1483
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 8: from the right hash of the nineteen twenty nine yard

1484
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 8: at ten Waite's in the Staggers stand staffers in place.

1485
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 8: Kick is airborne to the uprights and the kick is good.

1486
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 8: So Chad Ryland draws the Patriots even with a fourth

1487
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 8: field goal. In his fourth NFL game, Christian Gonzalez came

1488
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 8: off the field his right arm tight to his side,

1489
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 8: seemingly injuring his shoulder. He's gone to the injury ten

1490
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 8: along the Patriots sideline. Meanwhile, in a three to three

1491
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 8: tight Dallas with Prescott the Lava Dreux left side of

1492
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 8: the end up her Lamb makes the grab. He dropped

1493
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 8: it into the basket and the Cowboys take the lead.

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 10: How do you not go at him?

1495
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 8: Man, you're down to Sean Wade.

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01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm out crying on the outside.

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01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 18: You got ceedee Lamb to drump in the bucket for deck,

1498
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 18: easy touchdown, pitch a catch man, you're.

1499
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Speaker 1: Gonna be chasing now.

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01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 8: Matt Jones Meanwhile, three for four on the first drive

1501
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 8: of the Patriots. He'll work under center with Elliott the

1502
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 8: single back behind it. Two tight ends to the right,

1503
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 8: Plufs Born to the right, two receivers wide to the

1504
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 8: left from the ball on and me Hash the right.

1505
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 8: Hash Jones changing the play. Peryl Brown moves into the

1506
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 8: back good off at full back hand off to Elliot

1507
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 8: runs to the right side, dragging a defender forward. Van

1508
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 8: Dresh had him by the seat of his pants, but

1509
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 8: Ezekiel Elliott runs it across the thirty four.

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01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 18: Connor second counter of the game. Have one earlier than

1511
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 18: vermondre down inside the red zone. It's good action here.

1512
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 8: Kasiki in the left slot inside of Parker. Henry slot's

1513
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 8: right on the outside Smith Schuster. Elliott starts in motion

1514
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 8: left and then comes back to Matt Jones back, summoning

1515
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 8: him with his left hand. Now extending the hands and

1516
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 8: first intent. Takes the snap, dropping back pressure up the middle,

1517
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 8: slings it down middle. Anna passes caught by Kasiki, crossing

1518
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 8: left to right at midfield, a grab.

1519
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 18: Under the rest with hers uncoverage help a little silent

1520
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 18: from here by Mack to avoid the pressure. Pressure comes

1521
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 18: from that left side. I think it was Parks and

1522
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 18: Parsons and almost got to him. But it's a good

1523
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 18: catch by Kasiki, dragon left the right.

1524
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 8: It's fourth and less than they are, and they're gonna

1525
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 8: run up where the cush push snapped at Joe and

1526
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 8: he plunges Bour and it's close. He didn't get it.

1527
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 8: He's short. Oh he got it well, the defend from

1528
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 8: the far side right up. It spotted him short. Sough, No, no, no,

1529
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 8: because I'm looking at I'm looking at the replay.

1530
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 5: Here the blue I thought the buck.

1531
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 8: No, he's short, is short now. Jalen Mills is in

1532
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 8: the slot cornerback of the Patriots, opposite ceed Lamb Prescott.

1533
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 8: I'm thirty eight being pressured by wy hut the middle

1534
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 8: and then drive him down and sacked by you.

1535
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: Jay.

1536
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 8: Here you go, Adrians getting to the quarterback for the

1537
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 8: first time today with a sack back at the thirty

1538
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 8: three yard line.

1539
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:45,919
Speaker 1: Fantastic job.

1540
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 18: Interior rush right here, y know, you get tied up.

1541
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 18: Mills is light setting on Lamb. He gets the jam though,

1542
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 18: and I don't know if Dac wanted to go to

1543
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 18: him and he came back.

1544
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: To the left side by that time, it collapsed on him.

1545
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 8: That's what you gotta do, That's what I thought you

1546
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 8: had a chance at. Will start this game. Push head

1547
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 8: heeade So a second down in seven, Stevenson stays on

1548
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 8: the singles back two toight ends stack to the right,

1549
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 8: two receivers to the left. Now Juju starts in motion

1550
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 8: from the right, rehearsing direction. Jones with a playpits in

1551
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 8: the pocket, pressures from back, starts for voting in their side.

1552
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,959
Speaker 8: He's sack balls picked up by bad raction. No bootball

1553
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 8: that scoop and score.

1554
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 18: You just said it can't have a turnover down here,

1555
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 18: And what do you do? You give up the rush

1556
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 18: on the right side, but carry low gets beat. You

1557
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 18: get tracked out from behind. He doesn't have eyes in

1558
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 18: the back of his head. But yeah, no, things are

1559
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 18: breaking down around here. Paul gets put on the ground.

1560
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 8: Stoopid score.

1561
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 11: Here we go chasing fourteen again, Ross and.

1562
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 8: Now the Cowboys baking for the throw off the staff

1563
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 8: to the right and lumbering in for the score on

1564
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 8: a two point conversion.

1565
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: Wall I'm coached right now, boy.

1566
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 8: While the Cowboys looking to bounce back, and they throw

1567
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 8: it to Chauncey Golston at two hundred and eighty five

1568
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 8: pound defensive end, linking out wide open to the right

1569
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 8: for the two point conversion dialed up by Mike McCarthy,

1570
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 8: and the Cowboys are rolling in the second. Jones he

1571
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 8: on the gun. Three receivers left go to the right,

1572
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 8: Mack pressure again, rolls to his right, lips down field,

1573
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 8: holds up, throws back to broth the field. Combine Born

1574
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 8: on a bottle at the thirty and then he's tackling

1575
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 8: forward to the thirty five yard line and the teachers

1576
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 8: throw across the cross. Kendrick Horn makes the play and

1577
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 8: eventually is forced down by Deron Blen.

1578
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 18: Playing with fire man, you are playing with fire with

1579
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 18: you go outside the numbers to.

1580
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 8: The right and throw all the way back across the

1581
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 8: grain to the outside of the numbers on the left.

1582
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 11: But you find a way to pick up sixty yards to.

1583
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 8: Convert Patriots having trouble getting lined up, Stevenson has to

1584
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 8: shift to the right of Jones. Three receivers right, one left,

1585
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 8: Mac dropping back ruly life, pulling up looking back those

1586
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 8: ho Si Pasha say good bye. Ron Bland to the

1587
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 8: thirty twenty to the ten to the end zone. But

1588
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 8: they tell you about rowing back across the grain.

1589
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: You're gonna kill yourself at some point.

1590
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:22,879
Speaker 8: Second defensive touchdown today Aaron Dallas two turnovers converting to fourteen.

1591
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 8: I'm surprised if you shake things.

1592
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 11: Up here soon to give yourself smart.

1593
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 8: Well, he did it against the Giants twenty two yards

1594
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 8: out against Daniel Jones, and now Den Blan kicks off

1595
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 8: Mac Jones and runs it in for the Cowboys.

1596
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 11: Make a move here.

1597
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:46,799
Speaker 5: I think I'll to strongly consider it. Fourteen off turnovers.

1598
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 8: That's two turnovers by the Patriots quarterback resulting immediately in scores.

1599
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 8: For the Cowboys to kick by Aubrey is good, irresponsib

1600
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 8: There will get another pass earlier as well that could

1601
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 8: have easily been nicked off and run in for a score.

1602
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 8: Bland missed that time. Not this latest time. Out of

1603
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 8: a timeout fourth and two, Jones takes the shorter high

1604
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,759
Speaker 8: staff from the gun, throws it to the right, picked

1605
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 8: off again and get him on their side left, get

1606
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 8: him out, stepped in front of the intended receiver at

1607
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 8: the forty five of Dallas, and only a tackle by

1608
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 8: Smith Schuster prevented another runaway to the end zone.

1609
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 18: Telegraph off the back foot, no sip on the ball,

1610
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 18: no break by the receiver.

1611
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: Time to get him out.

1612
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 8: Cowboys have not lost back to back games since twenty twenty.

1613
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 8: They lost the last week to Arizona. Refocused and sharp

1614
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 8: from the outset at start, contrast to the Patriots today

1615
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 8: tight end to the right, two receivers to the right,

1616
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 8: single back play thing five. Prescott chased by device, crambled

1617
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 8: to the near side and he's brought down. Jilani stayed

1618
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 8: with it and he sacks the quarterback at the fifteen

1619
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 8: yard lives.

1620
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 11: Don't call by them, and.

1621
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: Some silly calls here for Dallas.

1622
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 18: Listen as much as they're up, like you got a holler,

1623
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 18: you can sneak it twice of him with his legs.

1624
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 8: Three forty one left in the third, Bailey Zappi enters

1625
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 8: the huddle for the Patriots. They trail the Cowboys at

1626
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 8: thirty one to three. He replaces mac Jones, who ends

1627
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 8: the day twelve of twenty one, one hundred and fifty yards.

1628
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 8: Two interceptions at a football law at zappy under center

1629
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 8: with a change of the play right from the outset.

1630
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 8: Two receivers left short motion by Smith Schuster hand off

1631
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 8: the Stevens at hand in the backfield and Rock tackled

1632
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 8: inside the twenty eight. That play had no chance. Neville Gallimore,

1633
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 8: you know what's making a hit?

1634
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy.

1635
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 5: Dallas isn't even They're not even good on the interior defensively.

1636
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 8: All the strength is on.

1637
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 5: The outside you were getting manhandled.

1638
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 18: I mean, how many times have there been contact behind

1639
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 18: the line of scrimmage coming off a week where you

1640
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 18: actually move a lone of scrimmage against the Jets.

1641
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 8: Second down at eleven for Dallas from the twenty five,

1642
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 8: Prescott again under center two, tight ends to his right

1643
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 8: at third tight end left October in short motion from

1644
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 8: the lines up over the right tackle give Devance binds

1645
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 8: away from Judad flooding left though surrounded him. Bentley takes

1646
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 8: him down with some help on the edge on is

1647
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 8: from another defender Mills. And now matt Judaan has heard

1648
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 8: I think Keith Matthew Judah, let's not contact face down

1649
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 8: on the turf. He's grabbing initially as he went down

1650
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 8: his right elbow. This has been a disastros day for

1651
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 8: the Patriots. They've lost Christian Gonzales and Matthew Judah went

1652
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 8: back to the locker room with an elbow and drew.

1653
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 8: Their quarterback has been pulled after three turnovers. Rerescott with

1654
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 8: a handoff on the end a round him. Turpin has

1655
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 8: a gaping holding the fifty cunning to the forty frock

1656
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 8: past Dugger chase By at the twenty.

1657
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 18: And Miles catches him half the fifteen yard line. He

1658
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 18: punches the ball out and Dallas is more heads up than.

1659
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: You are to look at the ball and find you.

1660
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 8: He recovered the Cowboys with a third and goal coming

1661
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 8: up from the three ball on the right hash Tolbert

1662
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 8: split outside of the left Turpin on the left slot,

1663
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 8: Cooks lines up over the right tackle, give to Lifty

1664
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 8: runs up the middle into the en zone. Touchdown for Dallas.

1665
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 8: I'm a second career rush for a hunter loftie.

1666
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: The remote start?

1667
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 11: Can you start the buses from here?

1668
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 8: The rookie Rylan will attempt a fifty two yard field

1669
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 8: goal from straight on. Cardono over the football to snap

1670
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 8: it back to Berringer. Rylan leans forward. The snap of

1671
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 8: the spot drives the kick Saley to the uprights and

1672
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 8: the kick is no good. That guy today for the Patriots,

1673
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 8: they elect to try to kick the field goal and

1674
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 8: the kick was pushed high to the right. No good

1675
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 8: from fifty two. He's still a thirty eight to three game.

1676
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 8: Another meal down by rush columby fifteen in counting, and

1677
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 8: on top of all of it, injuries to Christian Gonzales

1678
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 8: and Matthew Judan. The terrific rookie cornerback and the outstanding

1679
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 8: edge player for the Patriots who's been a pro bowler

1680
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 8: and his two full seasons for New England to this point,

1681
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 8: had a lot of soul searching, no doubt. In the

1682
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 8: next six days before the Patriots take on New Orleans

1683
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 8: next Sunday, forty two seconds encountering rush to the knee,

1684
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,839
Speaker 8: teams off the sidelines, a long walk for the Pats

1685
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 8: from the near side of the field here at at

1686
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 8: and T Stadium to complete a long day in Arlington, Texas,

1687
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 8: fright of a long road ahead, with the Patriots falling

1688
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 8: to the Cowboys thirty eight to three, dropping to one

1689
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 8: in three overall this season, Miss Dallas improves to three

1690
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 8: and one.

1691
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: Ridge Stone is the official tire of the New England

1692
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,680
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1693
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,880
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1694
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: find a location near you. Boy, really sticking the knife

1695
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: and deep with the ending of that mashup.

1696
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 11: Huh the whole dragged out, Yeah, the whole.

1697
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: Soliloquy afterwards, picture my Bob Socy just you know, every

1698
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: moment of that misery long walk. Yeah, anyway back here

1699
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: on Patriots on siltered a five five pass five hundred

1700
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: is the ace ticket houtline, web radio at Patriots dot

1701
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: com is the way to email us. And got a

1702
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: lot of phone calls, a lot of emails, so we

1703
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: should get right to what I suppose.

1704
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 11: No email is telling us for being too negative this week.

1705
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: No, yeah, sorry Brian in Lowell, what's up, Brian?

1706
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 19: What's up?

1707
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: Hey? Brian?

1708
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 10: You called us?

1709
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: Okay, you got it? Now, now's the time where you

1710
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: say what you want to say.

1711
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 4: Oh man, I mean that game was just a brutal game.

1712
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: Yes, do you have a take?

1713
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 4: Mac Jones needs to go?

1714
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: Okay?

1715
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 4: I mean I hate to say the pants fan, but yeah,

1716
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 4: I man, what's what's going with Mac?

1717
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 15: But he's just not No.

1718
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 4: I think I don't think he's not getting any better

1719
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 4: than the last season.

1720
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thanks for the car. I mean, you

1721
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 1: know you gotta have a little bit more than that.

1722
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: All right, Christians in Boston, what's up Christian?

1723
01:17:52,439 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 19: Hey, I'll be quick. The whole program's broken, got to go.

1724
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 19: I don't think Max is the guy, you know, And

1725
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 19: I called him the off season and said about Bill,

1726
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 19: you know, moving off to him. I still thought he

1727
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 19: could coach. I mean, talk about intelf injury with that

1728
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 19: field goal in the two point conversion of the other day,

1729
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 19: Like that's just just lack of focus and like just

1730
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 19: not I just don't think he's got it anymore, not

1731
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 19: even five ten years ago, like he had it.

1732
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 20: He just doesn't.

1733
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 19: And I don't know how much money moves to see.

1734
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 19: Like twenty twenty, they get blown out at home against

1735
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 19: the forty nine ers. Twenty one, they lose a game

1736
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 19: at a time time game add Indy. Usually they win

1737
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,799
Speaker 19: those games. They get smoked in the playoffs by Buffalo

1738
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 19: following year, take your pick. They lose on Thanksgivin Night

1739
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 19: at Minnesota this year. This game, I mean, they're held

1740
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 19: mary away from being one four. There really are.

1741
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, So it's crazy.

1742
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 19: It's really painful to watch, and I just it's just

1743
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 19: so disappointing. Like I don't think they be this bad,

1744
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 19: and I don't think they're that bad as they worst Tidy,

1745
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 19: I'm with everybody else on that, but they're certainly not

1746
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 19: good enough, you know, to compete. I think that's pretty

1747
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 19: clear to four games complete to be a viable playoff team.

1748
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 9: All right, all right, yeah along those lines. I credit

1749
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 9: to Coda Ranald for asking the question that was in

1750
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 9: my head. I know I've said it to you guys.

1751
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 9: But just when Bill got up after that blowoff playoff

1752
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 9: loss to the Bills and said, you know, is this

1753
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 9: who we are or is this just a bad night?

1754
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 9: And Dakota brought that up and said, you know, is

1755
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 9: this who you are or is this just a bad night?

1756
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 9: And he said, well, we'll see going forward. But the

1757
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 9: point remains, this is the second time in two years

1758
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 9: that he's gotten up in a press conference and said

1759
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 9: my team was not competitive, you know, I mean, and

1760
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 9: that's as much of an indictment as you can get.

1761
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 9: And you know, people want to talk about he's lost it,

1762
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 9: he's lost it.

1763
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 10: I don't know what he lost. I just know that

1764
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 10: it doesn't seem like they're buying into what he's selling anymore.

1765
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 10: So maybe he knows the game well and maybe he

1766
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 10: has the right plan. I just don't know if the

1767
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 10: team is listening to it.

1768
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: He came up and said, you know, I believe everything

1769
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: he tells us.

1770
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't think that's really That's how you took that.

1771
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 13: No, that's what a captain is a signed to go

1772
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 13: up there and say okay, but he said it.

1773
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, I didn't. I did not take Dietrich like listening

1774
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 11: to it. I didn't take his response to that question

1775
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 11: was as a glowing endorsement.

1776
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: For Bill Belichick. How did you take it?

1777
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 11: I thought that he was looking for the words like.

1778
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: That's how he speaks.

1779
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 11: No, I've spoken to Dietrich a lot, and I think

1780
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 11: that he was trying in his head to make sure

1781
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 11: that he was saying the right things. Honestly, I'm not

1782
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 11: saying that Bill has like lost the locker room. I'm

1783
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 11: not going there, but yeah, but I I we talk

1784
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 11: a lot about like Bill's like philosophy on offense and

1785
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 11: like team building and all that kind of stuff. And

1786
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 11: I think something that's like irked me coming a little

1787
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 11: a little bit off this game is like they've played

1788
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 11: two really good offenses in Miami and Dallas, and I

1789
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 11: don't really think they've been particularly good on defense. And

1790
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 11: that's like supposed to be his side to the ball,

1791
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 11: and that's supposed to be where like you know, we

1792
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 11: can sit here and still put a feather in his

1793
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 11: cap that you know he can still coach defense. And

1794
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 11: I get it they had injuries in the secondary in

1795
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 11: this game, but I mean, look the same way at

1796
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 11: the beginning. I mean they went right through it, right

1797
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 11: like right like the opening drive of the game. They

1798
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 11: just go right down the field.

1799
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 3: So the opening part of what you guys just said

1800
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 3: is what I fixate on, you know, like, and this

1801
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 3: is where I'm going to admit that I some of

1802
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 3: my confidence in Bill the coach, just the coach has

1803
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 3: been shaken a little bit, and you know, everybody just

1804
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 3: just still know what I'd rather have, have a game plan.

1805
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 3: And that might be true, okay, but the consistent pattern

1806
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 3: that develops in these games is that they do not

1807
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: do not play well early in the game. When they

1808
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 3: play against a good team that's harder to shut down,

1809
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 3: the other team tends to do their best work coming

1810
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: right out of the shoot. So that's three times now

1811
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 3: this year that the other team dominated the first quarter,

1812
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 3: first half. Like it's hard to say, like, there's no

1813
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: one I want having a game plan when the other

1814
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 3: team gets the ball and goes right down the field.

1815
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 3: The first two times they get it in the field

1816
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 3: goal that they did hold them to the right.

1817
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 11: The Dak and Tony Pollard run into each other. It's

1818
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 11: not like it's kind of like that opening drive win

1819
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 11: with Tua where and he like tripped over himself and

1820
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 11: fell down on third down, Like.

1821
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 5: I forgot about that.

1822
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 21: But usually those are the hits that I like to

1823
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 21: pay and I'm not, like, the defense is not why

1824
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 21: they're losing, and like what I hate the defense been fine, Yeah,

1825
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 21: I hate to attack the defense. But at the same time,

1826
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 21: if you the formula coming into the season and you

1827
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 21: said that, you know, four games in, you'd have two

1828
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 21: takeaways on defense.

1829
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 11: Like that, that's just that's not how they need to play.

1830
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 11: Like they need to turn the ball over on defense.

1831
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 11: I'm not asking the defense to score necessarily, but like

1832
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 11: you need to set up the offense and for Paul's

1833
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 11: pick threes and you know, and things like that, like

1834
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 11: that those things need to happen more often for this

1835
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 11: defense and what they have been and they just aren't.

1836
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 10: You know, we had a strip eight this weekend.

1837
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh we gave up.

1838
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: A strip eight.

1839
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 11: I've never seen that before in my last fallid. But

1840
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 11: that like, it's not the defense's fault and I'm not

1841
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 11: trying to come after that. They've been fine, but they

1842
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 11: needed them to be better than fine.

1843
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 3: Right, And I'm just talking strictly being prepared at the

1844
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 3: start of the game. That was one of the things

1845
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 3: that I had my bad list right sat on Sunday.

1846
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 3: This is a pattern that they're not ready to go

1847
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 3: when the game starts against good competition, and they're not

1848
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 3: good enough to overcome a two score deficit against a

1849
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 3: good team on a consistent basis. They just haven't proven

1850
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 3: to be able to do that. So you can't think Cowboys.

1851
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 11: Took them by surprise on that opening drive throwing the

1852
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 11: ball right.

1853
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,560
Speaker 3: So they you know, God forbid someone who's not a

1854
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 3: good game planner came out with a better game plan

1855
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 3: than God's gift of game plans.

1856
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 11: Yeah. No, I mean, look, I I'll fall on that

1857
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 11: sort I I said it all last week that I

1858
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 11: thought McCarthy was horrible in that game.

1859
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 3: This is not a s I didn't mean to and

1860
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:00,839
Speaker 3: that was that was snarky. I don't mean to be snarky,

1861
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 3: but I do think Bill was excellent at preparing his team.

1862
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 3: But I don't think we've seen that in a while now.

1863
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I thought that the Cowboys, they threw

1864
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 11: the ball eighteen times on their first four drives, which

1865
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 11: they haven't done all year.

1866
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 5: And people are gonna say, well, Gonzalez, no that they

1867
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 5: came out throwing it.

1868
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, they came.

1869
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 5: Gonzalez was hurt. They were completing passes right down the field.

1870
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 11: And they and they also, you know, to McCarthy's credit too,

1871
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 11: because I definitely said last week that I didn't think

1872
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 11: this would happen, to his credit, they knew the weak

1873
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 11: links on the Patriots defense too. They went right after

1874
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 11: Sean Waite. Oh and what else did they do just

1875
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 11: in general, is they didn't fixate on CD Lamb. Cede

1876
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 11: Lamb had a good game, he was fine. But they

1877
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 11: were perfectly content to throw drive stars to Brandon Cooks. Yeah,

1878
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 11: four targets, four catches, not a ton of yards, but

1879
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,799
Speaker 11: like setting up second and three on a consistent basis,

1880
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 11: Gallup caught a handful of passes. They used the tight

1881
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 11: end kid Ferguson. I think he was seven for seven,

1882
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 11: seven targets, seven catches. If they'd thrown that one in

1883
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 11: the end zone to him instead of the other I

1884
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 11: who dropped it, they would have had another touchdown.

1885
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and even then there was one stretch

1886
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys all of a sudden started throwing these

1887
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: quick sideline pass like, what are you doing? Look down? Oh?

1888
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 5: I said that they don't need to be doing that.

1889
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 3: The first two drives they went right down the field,

1890
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 3: and the third drive after the failed fourth down, right,

1891
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 3: they tried.

1892
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 5: To throw two quick screens. Why what are you doing?

1893
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: Right?

1894
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 5: Like everything you were doing was working, and.

1895
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 9: It's it's it's quite a contrast on the Patriots, who

1896
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 9: are just trying to execute an offense, not they don't

1897
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 9: have the ability yet to like attack a week point

1898
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 9: on another team's defense. It's like they're just trying to

1899
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 9: execute a play on their own without taking that all

1900
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 9: into account.

1901
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, it just you know, the prevent defense that they

1902
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 11: played against Miami and then this week just you know,

1903
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 11: allowing Sean Wade to get picked apart in the beginning

1904
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 11: part of this game, Like that's all you got, Like,

1905
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 11: that's all you got? You know, I'm this is what

1906
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 11: you're supposed to be selling me on, is that this

1907
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 11: defense is going to be great, and Bill's going to

1908
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 11: be great coaching it, and you know all this type

1909
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 11: of stuff, and and all you got is to play

1910
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 11: three deep safeties against the Dolphins and not get blown

1911
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 11: out by seventy Like.

1912
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, when was the last time you felt

1913
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 9: like they really were well coached and executed and prepared

1914
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 9: for a game that they went out and executed and won.

1915
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 9: You know, It's it's I can't think I'm sure that

1916
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 9: there's others, but like, off the top of my head,

1917
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 9: that Baltimore rain game where they like did have some

1918
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 9: wrinkles for Lamar Jackson and had like those were some

1919
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 9: of like the better game plans that I remember of

1920
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 9: Bill from the last like three or four years, where

1921
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 9: it was like, okay, that was that was innovative, Like

1922
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 9: you played basically an inverted defensive front so that your

1923
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 9: faster guys were out on the edge and you're still

1924
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 9: you know, like that made sense.

1925
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 11: Like I don't know, but there's a lot of.

1926
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 3: Didn't you feel like that particular night it was so

1927
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 3: bad with the rain that he had to run, like

1928
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 3: they really had a hard time throwing it.

1929
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 11: So yeah, but in nineteen they got blown off the

1930
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 11: field by by Baltimore. Yeah, and then they had they

1931
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 11: did play totally differently in twenty against but I.

1932
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 3: Just think it would have been harder to play that style,

1933
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 3: if they could have thrown the ball the way they

1934
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 3: normally do. And I know they run first. I know

1935
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 3: they were even even now they're still a run.

1936
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: For I right against Damon's and Maryland. What's up, Damon?

1937
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 19: Hang on?

1938
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 8: How's it going?

1939
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: All right?

1940
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 22: So I went down to the game on Sunday? Who

1941
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 22: my basketball party as a Patriots fan?

1942
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 16: It was terrible?

1943
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:21,680
Speaker 22: But two quick questions. So, first, pertaining to the secondary

1944
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 22: after injuries, where's the balance when it comes to talent

1945
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 22: versus experience? I feel like Miles Bryan has the experience,

1946
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 22: but is the endless weekly in the defense whenever he's

1947
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 22: in the game, versus someone like Mapu, who has all

1948
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 22: the talent in the world and looked lost out there

1949
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 22: at times on Sunday. And Secondly, after a game like this,

1950
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 22: is it just better to bury the tape and move on.

1951
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: To the Saints? Yeah?

1952
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 5: Well I think they need to learn. Look what the

1953
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 5: problems are.

1954
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 3: What you know, if if mac Joe was not seeing

1955
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 3: things properly like we sort of suggest, I don't think

1956
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 3: it's just right to just said, well, just forget about

1957
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 3: that game. Let's show him like, no mac here right here?

1958
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 3: Instead of looking at Michael Parsons over here. Look at

1959
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 3: DeVante Parker right here, he's open.

1960
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 5: He's a step ahead. Ever the movie you show him.

1961
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 1: You ever see the movie Clockwork Orange where they take

1962
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: the toothpas and they tape his eyelids open. That's what

1963
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: you need to do with Mac. I'd like to watch,

1964
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: but it's like it's ugly and it's but you need

1965
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: to watch all of it.

1966
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:34,879
Speaker 11: But I they I know they did watch it yesterday,

1967
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:36,560
Speaker 11: but like at this point, like you do need to

1968
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 11: turn the page, like.

1969
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 1: But you have to address what happened.

1970
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but it's Tuesday now. I mean, there's no

1971
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 5: you can't cry.

1972
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 11: Back one and bury the ball.

1973
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: But I thought they did that already this season. But

1974
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: maybe they did.

1975
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 11: They really got a forest of balls, but I I

1976
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 11: just it's like a graveyard.

1977
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: We're running on the balls.

1978
01:28:58,720 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 5: It's like the Googling show.

1979
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1980
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 11: I just still can't get over how poorly he read

1981
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 11: the field. That's like, that's because that's just so uncharacteristic

1982
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 11: of him that it almost wants to make me chalk

1983
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 11: it up to like a one off where you're just like, not,

1984
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 11: I'm willing for.

1985
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 10: The next five days to kind of take that route because.

1986
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 11: I'm no one's saying that they're gonna score forty points,

1987
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 11: like no one's saying they're good offensively regardless.

1988
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 5: But but he's not that bad, no.

1989
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 11: And just some of the things that he missed are

1990
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 11: just such ma like just easy things for Mac most

1991
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 11: of the time, and it just is bizarre.

1992
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: Als in Wisconsin. What's up? Al?

1993
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 19: Hey, guys doing Evan? How's the how's the pledge to

1994
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 19: be more positive on Tuesdays?

1995
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 11: Hey, listen, I can They didn't hold up their end

1996
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 11: of the bargain on Sunday. Al, So that's not my fault.

1997
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 19: I'm gonna start off a little bit positive. And that

1998
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 19: is with uh with spread bread knows how to rebuild

1999
01:29:55,560 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 19: a team, Replacing Eric with Evan like replacing Max with

2000
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 19: Patrick Mahomes.

2001
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 11: Wow, thank you, it's.

2002
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's an insult to Mac, isn't it

2003
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: just kidding?

2004
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 8: Well?

2005
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 19: You want to still the coach though, Like I've been

2006
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 19: in Eldrid sided Street with build a GM for a

2007
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 19: while now, But as a coach, I feel like in

2008
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 19: the past like four years, just watching the games, I

2009
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 19: feel like he's been out coached more often than on

2010
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 19: the other side. Then he's been the better coach in

2011
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 19: the game. And you know, I don't know, like I

2012
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 19: don't have a name ready for like this is the

2013
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 19: guy I wanted a head coach. But but I can

2014
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 19: tell you that if we go into next year with

2015
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 19: all that cap space, with probably a pretty good draft

2016
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 19: pick and whirled this regime running things like I'm gonna

2017
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 19: go into next season and with no hope. Like we

2018
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 19: talked about how you have to have hope at the

2019
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 19: beginning of the season, but we've seen the script for

2020
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 19: the past four years. Now they're a team that can

2021
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 19: beat up on bad teams. Now they might be getting

2022
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 19: worse to the point where it's a coin flip between

2023
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:22,560
Speaker 19: bad teams and they can't beat any good teams. And

2024
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 19: at this rate, like if they're trying to hold on

2025
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 19: the bill for the record or something he needs, like

2026
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 19: I think twenty nine wins and he's had twenty six

2027
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,440
Speaker 19: since Bratty left, so that's probably another five years.

2028
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 8: Of this record nineteen yeah, nineteen yeah, or okay, or

2029
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 8: if you.

2030
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 19: Want to be narky, he's currently on pacee to get

2031
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 19: those nineteen to get the record in twenty seasons.

2032
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's fair to say at

2033
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 3: this point it could be three seasons this season, next season,

2034
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 3: in twenty five.

2035
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, but that's like I think you know at all

2036
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 11: saying about this cap space and the high like with

2037
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 11: this regime, it's like that's where I feel like I'm

2038
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 11: in such a disarray with this is because you know,

2039
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 11: Mike brought it up earlier, the free agents that they

2040
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 11: have and the decisions that they have to make, and

2041
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 11: it's like, if you're gonna turn this roster over again

2042
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,480
Speaker 11: and basically restart like and maybe even restarting at quarterback

2043
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 11: another three years, and is this the guy that you

2044
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 11: want to do it again with.

2045
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem, right, Yeah, that I think they're

2046
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 3: looking at is I'm not not necessarily sure I want

2047
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 3: him with that cap space right based on what he

2048
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 3: did in twenty one or.

2049
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 9: Just it's an opportunity too, Like this is if you're

2050
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 9: gonna hit the reset button, you're gonna have a new

2051
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,560
Speaker 9: coach or GM coming in, Like this is an opportunity

2052
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 9: to say, hey, you can basically build the offensive line

2053
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 9: from scratch.

2054
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 10: You can tell us what you want to do at

2055
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 10: tight end.

2056
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 9: We got one running back who's in his last year,

2057
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 9: So we got to make some moves there. We don't

2058
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 9: really have a defensive end or an edge rusher when

2059
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 9: we have his thirty two with a you know, coming

2060
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 9: off a major injury.

2061
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 10: So there's some wiggle room for a new guy to.

2062
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 9: Come in as opposed to you know, you come in

2063
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 9: and they're low on cap space, they're in cap hell,

2064
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 9: and they've got to cut a bunch of guys. And

2065
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 9: I'm sure they would cut a bunch of guys anyway, right,

2066
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 9: you know, a cap hell, we gotta you know, cut half.

2067
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 13: The team Sanders vibes coming in and wiping the whole team.

2068
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 11: But yeah, but like that's for our fearless, you know, leader,

2069
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 11: mister Kraft. Like, that's the question that you have to ask,

2070
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 11: is that if we come into this, you know, at

2071
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 11: by the end of the season and they're picking in

2072
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 11: the top ten and they have to make all this

2073
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 11: roster decisions with the guys already are on the team,

2074
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 11: with free agents and all this, like is this really

2075
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 11: you're rebuilding again? You you are you're rebuilding again? And

2076
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 11: and how many more times are you going to let

2077
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 11: them rebuild?

2078
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 8: You know?

2079
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: All right?

2080
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 11: Well four years ago, I mean it's you know, we

2081
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 11: kind of.

2082
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 3: Has had a rebuild now, and I'm okay with rebuilding again,

2083
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 3: but I'm not necessarily okay with the same plan.

2084
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2085
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 3: No, Like, I don't want to chuck this failed rebuild

2086
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 3: if you if it ends up making a fail as

2087
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 3: just being like pick bad luck.

2088
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 11: This wasn't bad luck, right that that that's yeah, that's

2089
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 11: the way to put it.

2090
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:03,640
Speaker 1: Anthony's in Nashville. Hey, Anthony, Anthony, Yep, how you.

2091
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 5: Guys doing, Man, We've all been better.

2092
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're listening and you know how

2093
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: we're doing.

2094
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 6: It's my second time calling y'all.

2095
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 19: I'm pretty sure y'all feel like me, man, But yeah,

2096
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 19: I agree with you, Fred Man.

2097
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 6: I agree, man. We got to get somebody that got

2098
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 6: an answer to the owners.

2099
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Man.

2100
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 6: I don't think Bill is gonna cut it no more

2101
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 6: as just you know, handling all the GM position by himself.

2102
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 6: You know, I know Paul always here, he thinks he

2103
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 6: makes all the decisions. And I don't think that that

2104
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 6: there's gonna be you know, a good thing moving forward

2105
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 6: for us. I mean, I believe that Matt could possibly

2106
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 6: be you know, as good as like an Andy Dalton

2107
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 6: or something like that, but I don't believe that he's

2108
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 6: gonna be a top tier quarterback. I believe he's all right.

2109
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of where I that's where I thanks

2110
01:34:56,200 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: Anthony uh Andrews in Minnesota. What's up, Andrew? Hey? What's are?

2111
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 1: You want a submarine?

2112
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,759
Speaker 5: That's That's exactly what it sounds like it. That's so funny.

2113
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 16: I was just wondering, Actually, I just had a question

2114
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 16: specifically for Evan.

2115
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 20: I was wondering on that second drawn bland interception, why, why,

2116
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 20: in your opinion, why there would be no rub in

2117
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 20: that situation?

2118
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 9: No?

2119
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 15: What at that point?

2120
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 20: I mean, it's just I feel like, how did that

2121
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 20: formation there? Definitely should have been a rub or.

2122
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 16: Something to help.

2123
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 20: And then also at that point, I would just like

2124
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 20: to say shout out to the Booty Clap bandit.

2125
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: Evan.

2126
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 15: You can be on board, but you want.

2127
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 10: Booty out there, the Booty Clap bandits.

2128
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 11: I mean, tell us about that.

2129
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 5: I'm not a thing.

2130
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: It just amazes me how the answer is like rookie

2131
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 3: sixth round pick wide receivers like that just amazes I'm

2132
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 3: not I'm not.

2133
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 5: And I'm not suggesting that you like.

2134
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: The answer basically dragging his name.

2135
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2136
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, the Booty Clap Bandits are a nice group on

2137
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 11: on the X machine that that really like Kishan Boody

2138
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 11: didn't want to see him out there. I'm not quite

2139
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 11: yet in like Booty territory where we're we're playing guys

2140
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 11: just to play the rookies and see what you.

2141
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 5: Know, what you got. And I'm there on Douglas. Enough

2142
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 5: from Douglas that I need to see more of him.

2143
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 5: I've seen absolutely nothing.

2144
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 1: From It's so funny, but this is this is the blog.

2145
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 1: So Douglas makes his great play next post where's Booty?

2146
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 1: It's like, can't we just enjoy what we just saw

2147
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: and said, like, who's the next guy?

2148
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 5: You know?

2149
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: By the way, that was an amazing move by him. Yeah,

2150
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 1: he definitely fell and as he comes out of spin,

2151
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 1: he sees the actually sees the guy coming and then

2152
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 1: he reverses again.

2153
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 3: He actually knocks himself down though, which was unfortunate, but

2154
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,639
Speaker 3: it was an unbelievable play. Yeah, and we really saw

2155
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:49,839
Speaker 3: very little of him the rest.

2156
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:53,560
Speaker 5: Of the game, and he didn't I got scared did that?

2157
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 13: Well?

2158
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 5: What I'm wondering about is.

2159
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 11: He made a big play and can't have a get

2160
01:36:58,600 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 11: out of there.

2161
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 10: He's running too far.

2162
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,839
Speaker 5: Evan has taken the mantle for me for most Snarks,

2163
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 5: and this is.

2164
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 11: Great, Oh my god, can't do that out running our talent.

2165
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 3: So this is one of another one of the things

2166
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 3: that I've often been sort of annoyed about, even the

2167
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 3: great Bill Belichick is like, do we have to always

2168
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 3: have guys that do all of those things? Like we

2169
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 3: need to kill Harry because he's a four down player,

2170
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 3: like he can block and he could do but maybe, Okay,

2171
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 3: So right now, completely anecdotal, it looks like.

2172
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 5: Ta Mario Douglas doesn't always know what he's doing.

2173
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, And I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna be

2174
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 3: right out there and I'm gonna say that's what it

2175
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 3: looks like to me. He ran right into Born on

2176
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 3: that play. And maybe they just look at it and say,

2177
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 3: I can't have this guy playing he doesn't know he's

2178
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, sometimes mistakes, when you can't move

2179
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 3: the ball wind up making forty two yards.

2180
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 5: That was a mistake. They made a mistake, and it

2181
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 5: was the biggest play they made in the game by

2182
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 5: far second.

2183
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 11: Why not just the season, why not just let.

2184
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 3: Him make a mistake every once in a while, and

2185
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 3: maybe it were like I get frustrated with that if

2186
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 3: you have a great offense and then you have this

2187
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 3: young guy that might be able to provide more to

2188
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 3: that offense, but he keeps making mistakes. By all means,

2189
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 3: sit him down. You can't move the ball from here

2190
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 3: to there without falling down, right, It's like Private Santiago

2191
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 3: who seemingly can't run from here to they are without

2192
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 3: falling down.

2193
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 11: They can't move the ball.

2194
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 3: They're going the wrong direct. It's twenty seventeen, thirteen and

2195
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 3: now three they're going in the wrong direction, and we

2196
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,719
Speaker 3: can't find fifty five sixty snaps with to Mario Douglas.

2197
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I try to like highlight these things and

2198
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 11: after further of you because people ask me about bour

2199
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,560
Speaker 11: and people ask me about Douglas and boring. Maybe not

2200
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 11: as much of this year, but like, why aren't these

2201
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 11: guys playing And the reason why Pop Douglas doesn't play

2202
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 11: more is because the route running issue.

2203
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 5: I'm assuming that that's the case.

2204
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,480
Speaker 11: It's not just you know that one was obviously egregious

2205
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 11: and everybody could see it because of eighteen plays of

2206
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 11: the play that transpire but there's probably four or five

2207
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 11: times a game where I'm writing down while Douglas ran

2208
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 11: into somebody, or Douglas doesn't really look like he knows

2209
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 11: where he's going, or you know, Douglas is running the

2210
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 11: wrong route most likely here, and that's why the coaching

2211
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 11: staff looks at it and says, you know, we can't

2212
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 11: play this guy. But it kind of comes back to

2213
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 11: like Keon White now with Matthew Judon. I know that

2214
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 11: from their perspective, Jilani Tavai is probably going to play

2215
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 11: that spot more fundamentally sound than Keon White, but that's

2216
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 11: not what's in the best interest of the team. Same

2217
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 11: with the Mario Douglas, because Keon White might actually make

2218
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 11: a play in the backfield and not just you know,

2219
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 11: set a steady edge and keep the quarterback in the

2220
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 11: pocket and like do the things that they want them

2221
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 11: to do. This team needs needs plays, they need impact playmakers,

2222
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 11: and some of these guys that might make a bunch

2223
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 11: of mistakes might also make a forty two yard catch

2224
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 11: and that's how they have to live right now.

2225
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 9: I think the offense is going to be better this year,

2226
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 9: but do we have a conversation about what if the

2227
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 9: offense is really not all that much different than.

2228
01:39:58,880 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 10: What it was last year with Matt?

2229
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 5: What if it's worse? Like, what if it's it's worse?

2230
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 11: Like, so what does that?

2231
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: What does that look like?

2232
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 10: I mean, was it a we were too harsh on

2233
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 10: Matt Patrichol last year or is it just the players?

2234
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 11: And this is what it is?

2235
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 1: Thank you?

2236
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 3: He doesn't last, he doesn't deserve you, and we weren't

2237
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 3: too harsh on him last year, but there hasn't been

2238
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 3: any better.

2239
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 13: Think it's how Evan described it. Would you describe it

2240
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 13: like the pig scenario that you used?

2241
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,719
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, put the lipstick on the face.

2242
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 13: That's why I think the problem is.

2243
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 11: I also just like quickly on the on the offense,

2244
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 11: like the receivers and the route running. I I I

2245
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 11: was already on Troy Brown last year, like I was

2246
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 11: already on this, Like I am I I am so

2247
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 11: far out on Troy Brown wide receivers coach, Like they

2248
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 11: make more poor route running miscues than any team that

2249
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 11: I watch on film every single week, Like, for example,

2250
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 11: just run the route to the sticks? Like can we

2251
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 11: run the route to the sticks? It's third and fifteen

2252
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 11: and Juju runs a fourteen yard route and Mac makes

2253
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 11: a good throw and.

2254
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 5: He fell down as he was catching it too.

2255
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 3: I'll leave that part up that this was sort of

2256
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 3: where my phrase accidental offense. He really came to the

2257
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 3: forefront in this game. It was Douglas running into Bourn

2258
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 3: and creating a forty two yard play. It was Juju

2259
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 3: falling down for that catch. It was thrown across the

2260
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 3: field to Bourne who scrapes it off the ground and

2261
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 3: somehow bobbles it three times with four guys all over

2262
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 3: him and he doesn't lose it and they get a

2263
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 3: first down.

2264
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2265
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 3: Nothing, I mean, aside of maybe a couple of passes

2266
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 3: to Hunter Henry, nothing looked right.

2267
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 11: They have poor route running receivers. Their receivers are bad

2268
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 11: route runners. And at some point, yes, that's like a

2269
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 11: personnel evaluation of the receivers and who the guys they

2270
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 11: are that bring in. At some point you have to

2271
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 11: look at the coaching like what I know for a

2272
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 11: fact it is a Zappi In the game, the game

2273
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 11: was out of hand. DeVante Parker had a twelve yard route.

2274
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 11: He ran it at ten yards and got tackled short

2275
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 11: of the sticks and put them in third down. It's

2276
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 11: a twelve yard route and he runs it at ten.

2277
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 11: It's third and fifteen and you're running it at fourteen.

2278
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:10,679
Speaker 11: And this happens all the time. You know, the caller

2279
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 11: asked about like the rub out of the bunch. They

2280
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,799
Speaker 11: were supposed to be a rub. They just didn't execute

2281
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 11: the rub right, So like it just these are Howard,

2282
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 11: this is two three years now of the same sort

2283
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 11: of just sloppy receiver play.

2284
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:28,560
Speaker 9: I'd kind of put Juju in this category two of

2285
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 9: like are you doing what's best for the team or

2286
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 9: are you doing what's best for the guy you signed

2287
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 9: this offseason because it's just four games in a row

2288
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 9: where he's on a different planet with what they're doing.

2289
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 10: He doesn't look explosive.

2290
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 9: I mean, if there's somebody, I don't know how long

2291
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 9: they can keep trying to trot him out there and

2292
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 9: every week he's willing to talk and it's like five

2293
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 9: targets won't catch what happened.

2294
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 10: Like, I think he's one of those guys too.

2295
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: Let's get to some of the emails. A web radio

2296
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: at pages dot comy and says, so the team's one

2297
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: and three, perhaps that's more than they deserve. Quarterback as

2298
01:42:58,200 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 1: a wet noodle for an arm, but what he lacks

2299
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: in physical gifts he makes up for with questionable accuracy

2300
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: and subpart decision making. The coach seems to have lost it,

2301
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: but plenty of people improve cognitively in their seventies. Luckily,

2302
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 1: he hasn't let his ego get in the way of

2303
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 1: him adapting his football philosophy and doing what's best for

2304
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: the team. These past five years, I'm starting to think

2305
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: that the head coach and the GM really don't get

2306
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 1: along with each other. Why else would the GM give

2307
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 1: the coach such a rag tag bag of jags to

2308
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: mold into a team. And sure, the defense are down

2309
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: to the top four corners and have probably lost their

2310
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 1: leader for the season. But do you know what I

2311
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 1: like to tell myself in troubled times such as these,

2312
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 1: no one is coming. It's up to us.

2313
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 9: Oh, it's kind of weird, how like last week it

2314
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 9: made no sense, and now after they have two major injuries,

2315
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 9: it's kind of like, all right, now I get it.

2316
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 3: But you know what, like the injury thing to me

2317
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 3: is like those two on Sunday like sort of snap

2318
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,560
Speaker 3: me in the face too, Like you know how you

2319
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 3: just sometimes you have those years where like you know,

2320
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 3: everybody's just getting hurt, and like every you think you're

2321
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 3: getting a guy back, someone else goes out. This just

2322
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,520
Speaker 3: seems like one of those years, which sucks.

2323
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 10: Because it's week four and it's the realization of thirteen

2324
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 10: more weeks.

2325
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to like besunshine dot com, like

2326
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 3: they'll make fun of me tomorrow for being like, I'm

2327
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 3: not trying to tell you that's why they won in three.

2328
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 5: That's not why they won three.

2329
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 3: Like I think we all know, like the offense hasn't

2330
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 3: been good enough, but I do feel like every step

2331
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 3: they're going to try to take forward, it seems like

2332
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 3: there's gonna.

2333
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 10: Be Trent Brown's gonna get hurt.

2334
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 5: There's gonna be an injury coming back. You know, DeVante

2335
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 5: Parker's nowt had Trent Brown great out in that game,

2336
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 5: So was he ninety eight again or whatever he was?

2337
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 11: He was fine, but two weeks in a row on,

2338
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 11: you know, he's gotten the much easier matchups. I think

2339
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 11: picking this was.

2340
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 10: Kind of fun. I went into the real super slow

2341
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 10: mo with his uh that false start he kind of had.

2342
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 11: They didn't call him for it, but it looked like it.

2343
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 10: It wasn't a false start.

2344
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, it was right on the ball.

2345
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean I was in there, like up.

2346
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 5: I thought there was one that he was offside, but

2347
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 5: I didn't think there were a lot of them there.

2348
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 5: Usually there's like five or no.

2349
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,679
Speaker 1: So I know it was just that one happened.

2350
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 10: To watch it, I'm like, Wow, he is moving at

2351
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 10: the exact moment.

2352
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 11: I mean, even the one he got called for last week.

2353
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 11: I had to go frame by frame because it was

2354
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 11: that close.

2355
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 10: It's it's a missing is that like or is that

2356
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 10: like a like a you know, Cadence thing where he

2357
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 10: kind of is.

2358
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 11: I don't know, they'll never tell us because that's that'd

2359
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 11: be given away to give.

2360
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 8: Man.

2361
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 11: I mean, he he's really he's really freaking good at that.

2362
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 10: But I I just this big leg comes kicking out.

2363
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 10: It's hard to miss.

2364
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam and Dublin. If we don't believe in top

2365
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks because you can get a guy to run

2366
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,759
Speaker 1: the system, why do you then refuse to adequately invest

2367
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 1: in the system O line and pass catching resources and

2368
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 1: a total letdown of drafting and free agency of the

2369
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 1: past three or four years.

2370
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,799
Speaker 3: So I think that he thinks that they have the pieces.

2371
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,679
Speaker 3: I think that's where That's why I'm worried about what's

2372
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 3: he saying.

2373
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 5: Do you still continuing?

2374
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 11: Do you still think he does I do.

2375
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:00,600
Speaker 5: I think he thinks it's on The players are not

2376
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,480
Speaker 5: for a lack of execution.

2377
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 11: But I definitely think he thinks it's on. He he

2378
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,719
Speaker 11: harps on turnovers like it's like they're the most important

2379
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 11: thing in the world, and they turnover differential is a lot,

2380
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 11: very indicative of wins and losses. There's no doubt about that, obviously.

2381
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 11: But if you the game that he loved was last

2382
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 11: week against the Jets, I guess two weeks ago, now,

2383
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 11: you only scored thirteen points on offense. He came out

2384
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 11: after the game and said, we're not gonna win very

2385
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:32,600
Speaker 11: many games only scoring fifteen points. But the second no turnovers.

2386
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 11: That was like the whole thing.

2387
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 1: If you're playing on the edge of the way they

2388
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: do all the time each week, turnovers are a bigger deal.

2389
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 1: The Rams are in the bottom of the league in turnovers,

2390
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:43,680
Speaker 1: but they make plays to overcome it.

2391
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 5: We can't over Turnovers are obviously huge, well.

2392
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 1: They are, but sometimes you can overcome it. But making

2393
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 1: your own pay Yeah.

2394
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,839
Speaker 13: I mean, I mean, look at Mahomes like some multiple

2395
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 13: interceptions still wins the game. Same thing with Josh Allen.

2396
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 13: He always has multiple interceptions, but he still has the

2397
01:46:58,920 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 13: ability to make a play to win.

2398
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: But if Bill knows, he'd never admit it. But with

2399
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 1: this talent, we can't overcome them ever, so we have

2400
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:09,720
Speaker 1: to always be better.

2401
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 3: But I don't I would never make fun of a

2402
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 3: coach for stressing no protecting the ball. I think that

2403
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 3: that's a wise way to put it. One of the

2404
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 3: easiest ways to lose games is by turning the ball over.

2405
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 3: I don't, and I know this is silly. I don't

2406
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:23,759
Speaker 3: think they lost thirty eight to three. They would have lost.

2407
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 5: Twenty four to three, right if they didn't turn the ball.

2408
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 5: They got thoroughly all played in that game.

2409
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: It didn't make it.

2410
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 3: And I think to sit there and just harp on

2411
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 3: turnovers all the time and try to convince yourself we're

2412
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 3: not that bad.

2413
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 5: We just keep we'll just keep turning the ball over.

2414
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 5: You're losing.

2415
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 3: Like the forest through the trees. They need to be

2416
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 3: able to move the ball and score points. They don't

2417
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 3: just have to punt it, which, by the way, they're

2418
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:48,600
Speaker 3: also lasting the league in that Yeah, right, net punting.

2419
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 9: And that's also just ignorant of what we've been watching

2420
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 9: for three years. I mean, this is the same thing. Like,

2421
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 9: I mean, that's why so many people, including us, are

2422
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,640
Speaker 9: kind of apoplectic. It's like, how many times do we

2423
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,560
Speaker 9: have to keep having the same conversation over And you

2424
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 9: start the season and you have some hope and you

2425
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 9: think it might be a little bit different.

2426
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 10: We got an offensive coordinator, maybe he'll pull it all together.

2427
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 1: And yet but and then at some point you have

2428
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,639
Speaker 1: to look and say, why are we turning it over?

2429
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 1: Is it because our quarterback feels he needs to make

2430
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 1: plays in this.

2431
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 5: In this game, your quarterback was reckless with Yeah, that's

2432
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 5: why you're trying.

2433
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 1: But like, you know, why why are we constantly losing

2434
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:19,920
Speaker 1: the turnover battle?

2435
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 10: And you know, and why are we watching our point

2436
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 10: production go out?

2437
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:23,679
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2438
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 11: I mean, like that's the thing is, Like I I

2439
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 11: do believe in the old saying of like you gotta

2440
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 11: stop beating yourself before you can start tuning, and they

2441
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 11: are beating themselves with the turnovers. Even I know I'm

2442
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 11: on a record of saying I don't think that they're

2443
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 11: that they're self inflicted wounds. But regardless, they're they're killing

2444
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 11: themselves with the turnovers. But you had a turnover free

2445
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 11: game against the Jets and you only score thirteen points.

2446
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 5: That's my point.

2447
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:48,600
Speaker 11: Where does it get you?

2448
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:52,560
Speaker 3: If they lost Sunday thirty eight to twenty seven, I

2449
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 3: would say the turnovers with that was the.

2450
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,560
Speaker 5: Difference, right right? But three points, I mean it was

2451
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 5: over ten to three like that.

2452
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 3: They and they have so let's just say, for arguments sake,

2453
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 3: instead of the strip sack on that drive, they just

2454
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 3: go three and out and punt. Do you not think

2455
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 3: it would have been seventeen to three the way the

2456
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 3: game was going, They're punting out of their end zone.

2457
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 3: They're gonna take over at midfield. The Patriots had just

2458
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 3: stopped in the previous possession for the one stop they

2459
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 3: got in the first half, I gotta think Dallas was

2460
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 3: gonna go down the field and score.

2461
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just the way it means what they did.

2462
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 3: There's no guarantees to it, but I just think putting

2463
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:33,600
Speaker 3: everything on the turnovers as being the reason is very shortsighted.

2464
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 1: Ryan says, I wish this email was more positive, but

2465
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm just ready to scrap the whole experiment, Mack and all,

2466
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 1: from the drafting of Cole Strange to the signing of

2467
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 1: Juju over Myers. I think it's time to sell everything

2468
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: and restart. The team has a clear talent issue from

2469
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 1: all over the roster, and I think they need to

2470
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 1: accumulate draft capital and spend every cent of that seventy

2471
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:55,519
Speaker 1: five million cap to get this roster back on track.

2472
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's just as frustrating because after twenty twenty one,

2473
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 9: you felt like they had a base line to build

2474
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 9: off of, and you know, it's all right. They they

2475
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:04,560
Speaker 9: weren't great, they got blown out, but you felt like

2476
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 9: we turned the corner and we're not gonna be one

2477
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 9: of those terrible teams in there's just been so many

2478
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 9: bad decisions and bad players signed that haven't produced in

2479
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 9: bad draft picks. You know, that was the point where

2480
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 9: you got to comment, not perfect, but you have to

2481
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 9: have more hits than strikeouts, and right now, looking at

2482
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:20,839
Speaker 9: what they have, they have strikeouts.

2483
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 10: But it's not only that they're doubling down on.

2484
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 9: Guys like Godshaw and Parker, and it's like they're saying

2485
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:28,320
Speaker 9: to us, these are the guys we want.

2486
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 10: We got them and we want them.

2487
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 5: He's not that he's not a nice I was.

2488
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 8: That was just for you.

2489
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 11: I would also just like caution against like spending the

2490
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:42,560
Speaker 11: money in free agency again, I know, because that the

2491
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:45,560
Speaker 11: way to to acquire real talent is to trade for it.

2492
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:48,839
Speaker 11: Now you have to. If you're gonna require t Higgins,

2493
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 11: they're gonna franchise tag him probably to keep him under

2494
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:54,599
Speaker 11: team control, and then they're gonna trade him on the tag,

2495
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,479
Speaker 11: so you're gonna have to trade for him. You're gonna

2496
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 11: have to trade for Jerry Judy, You're gonna have to

2497
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 11: trade for anything that's gonna move the needle. The guys

2498
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 11: that reached free agency, I think we learned the last

2499
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 11: time around.

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01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 1: There.

2501
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 11: You know, maybe you get a Jude On and you

2502
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 11: get one really you know, impact player out of it,

2503
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 11: But for the most part, it's gonna just be guys

2504
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 11: that are going to fill in the roster and give

2505
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:19,240
Speaker 11: you some experience. That's all well and good. But to

2506
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 11: go out and spend top of the market money again,

2507
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 11: I just don't. I don't think is the way to

2508
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 11: get see.

2509
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 5: I don't want to do it either.

2510
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 3: The way they did it the last time, the way

2511
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 3: they did it the last time has kind of been

2512
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 3: proven is a quick fix. It's gonna make you better immediately,

2513
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:37,640
Speaker 3: and then you're gonna regress. And that's and everybody said, well,

2514
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,760
Speaker 3: that won't happen with the Patriots, that won't happen with Bill,

2515
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:41,759
Speaker 3: and it happened.

2516
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 5: It's exactly what happened. It gave you an.

2517
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 3: Influx of talent in the immediate and it allowed you

2518
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 3: to win some games, and then you immediately regress back

2519
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 3: to what you are. I like free agency to fill

2520
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 3: a very specific need. I don't want to have like

2521
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 3: seven eight guys signed to to Fred's point, at top

2522
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 3: of the market money, Like, people have this impression that

2523
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 3: because they got all these guys, they weren't the highest

2524
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 3: paid guys. I mean, we remember some of the comments

2525
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 3: Kendrick Boren, why did you sign here? They offered me

2526
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 3: the most money. Yeah, you know, the two tight ends

2527
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 3: with the highest paid tight ends in football when they signed, Like,

2528
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 3: they didn't get these guys on the cheap. And I

2529
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 3: think if you identify one guy to your point, like

2530
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 3: in the trade market, if you identify Devonte Adams and

2531
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 3: you say, I'm going to give him one hundred million

2532
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that, like just like I was fine

2533
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 3: with Stefan gilmore like one guy. But if you want

2534
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 3: to just try to like get five or six guys

2535
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 3: and you expect them to all hit, that's very unrealistic.

2536
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 1: Andrew and Bradford, My biggest issue with the team is

2537
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 1: that they are built just good enough to be bad

2538
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 1: teams and backups. This leads to seven backups. This leads

2539
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,720
Speaker 1: to seven and nine to nine win seasons, putting you

2540
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 1: in NFL purgatory.

2541
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 5: I don't think they're there.

2542
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 1: Any results this season against non playoff teams won't change

2543
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 1: my feeling on the team in a positive light. If

2544
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 1: the goal is to have Bill get the wins record

2545
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 1: as a Patriot, that's fine. I can understand mister Kraft

2546
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 1: not wanting to see another Patriots legend obtained an all

2547
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 1: time NFL record with another organization. I'll cheer hard for

2548
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 1: every win that gets them closer to it, but I

2549
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,160
Speaker 1: am more excited for the team to actually commit to

2550
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 1: rebuilding to a new future. I want the team to

2551
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 1: look outside the organization for the next head coach, Me too,

2552
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 1: and entire staff. Bill's organizational philosophy has only worked with

2553
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. His record without Tom and the history of

2554
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 1: his coaching tree failures show me enough. I do not

2555
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: want to hire a McDaniels, Patricia Judge, Flores Mayo, Bill O'Brien,

2556
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 1: Steve Belichick or any of that ilk to take over.

2557
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 1: It's clear from players around the league that style of

2558
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 1: coaching is not enjoyable to play under. It only gets

2559
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 1: buy in if you're winning, and has only proven successful

2560
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 1: with Tom. I'm interested to hear your thoughts. I would

2561
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: just like to see the organization change to be offense focused.

2562
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 10: Bad I think everybody's on board with that.

2563
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 9: I just I mean, do you guys think there's a

2564
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 9: chance that the Crafts would allow Bill Belichick to stay

2565
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 9: here the next three seasons winning five, six seven games

2566
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 9: through the next three years.

2567
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:07,320
Speaker 13: I don't think, based off what we've heard in at

2568
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 13: the owners meetings, No, it's.

2569
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 10: A hard sell.

2570
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:13,560
Speaker 5: I think they'd have to really completely collapse, and I

2571
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:15,080
Speaker 5: think it would have to be more off the field.

2572
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:16,640
Speaker 5: I'm worried about that.

2573
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 1: I am. I don't think so. They're paying him as

2574
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,600
Speaker 1: the head, the best head coach in the league, and

2575
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 1: they expect better results. It's a results based in business.

2576
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 5: I agree with that mentality.

2577
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 10: I mean, what do the fans get out of Bill

2578
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 10: Belichick breaking the record? Like you know what I mean,

2579
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:36,600
Speaker 10: I don'tbody clamoring for that, Like I don't get it,

2580
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 10: you know, I don't know.

2581
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 5: I don't think you get any buzz out of it

2582
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 5: at all.

2583
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 1: For three years.

2584
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 9: It's bugging when people call that like Bill just wants

2585
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 9: to win the record, Like I'm like, okay, but like,

2586
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 9: you gotta win games, Like it's not like you can

2587
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 9: just screw around and win the next whatever it is

2588
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 9: eighteen games that he is away, Like, you have to

2589
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 9: get good and win a lot of games to break

2590
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:55,360
Speaker 9: the record out of all right.

2591
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 1: Let's quickly get through some of these calls, please have

2592
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, first, so I want to thank everyone, whether

2593
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 1: whether you're upset or optimist, it doesn't matter. You're engaging

2594
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 1: with us, you're listening. I appreciate that there's tons of

2595
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 1: emails that we didn't get to. I apologize for that.

2596
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:10,959
Speaker 1: We could do a five.

2597
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 5: Interaction today and that's what.

2598
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 1: We need, and we wouldn't get through everything even if

2599
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: we had five.

2600
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 5: No one's bailing Fred, I like it.

2601
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:18,200
Speaker 1: Let's let's get to some of these calls. We'll get

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Speaker 1: this done. Uh, now, do is in Chicago? What's up?

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Speaker 19: Hey?

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Speaker 7: This is my first time following Thank you a fan

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Speaker 7: of your talk show.

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Speaker 23: So good, right, And I think one of the reasons

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Speaker 23: the offense is Charlotte this year, it is because he

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Speaker 23: lost Yakobe Myers. He's our only man beater and in

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Speaker 23: our third and you know four and five situations that

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Speaker 23: doesn't really have anyone to go to.

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Speaker 5: And if they do, miss I'm interested.

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Speaker 7: I mean, when do you think Bill is going to

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Speaker 7: be getting Milie cunning in?

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Speaker 22: Man?

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Speaker 7: He's our only QB that has any shot of like

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Speaker 7: a ceiling the Highed that Bailey Zappy or mac Joe's

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Speaker 7: or Bigree or whatever. I mean, he's I know, he's

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Speaker 7: like found drafted rookie, but you know, he has much

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Speaker 7: more talent.

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Speaker 5: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he does.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he has a higher ceiling than any

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Speaker 5: of those guys. I really don't don't. I think he

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Speaker 5: can run.

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Speaker 1: I think this year he'd be more fun to watch.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's different.

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Speaker 10: I don't know about that though.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think he has a higher ceiling, high

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Speaker 5: ceiling at all anything.

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Speaker 11: And he's gonna be trying to run for his life

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Speaker 11: and they can get killed as much as they definitely

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Speaker 11: missed Jacoby and we were dead wrong or I was

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Speaker 11: dead wrong. I was about the Jacoby move. But like

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Speaker 11: they were really like a great team against man coverage

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Speaker 11: even with j No, but he was the only one

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Speaker 11: that had gave him right right now, they're I mean,

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Speaker 11: they're probably a little bit in.

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Speaker 1: A game this season so far, they couldn't have used

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Speaker 1: him if.

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Speaker 11: I if I put the stats up though of like

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Speaker 11: them against Man last year and then again against Man

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Speaker 11: this year, Like they're they're pretty much the same.

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Speaker 1: Bet Josh as an Arizona what's up, Josh?

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Speaker 24: Hey, yeah, thanks for taking my call. What what are

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Speaker 24: you guys thinking about taking a of the Jets and

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Speaker 24: get a veteran like her cousins is a free agent

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Speaker 24: man just for.

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Speaker 19: A couple of years.

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Speaker 24: And on top of that, you know, we got Cam

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Speaker 24: Newton for the chief, why not get car Wentz for

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Speaker 24: the chief of the backup?

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, let's just say they do turn it around

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Speaker 1: and it's not because a Mac, you know, and they

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Speaker 1: end up eight to nine, right, they're not in the

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Speaker 1: quarterback running. I could see bringing in a veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Just Ridge quarter I'm not a crazy Yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 5: completely against signing Cousins.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it'll happen. But I am a thousand

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Speaker 3: percent against signing Carson Wentz as a backup. I think

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Speaker 3: if you, if anybody has watched Carson Wentz played the

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Speaker 3: last couple of years, no one would want I mean like,

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Speaker 3: which is why he's unemployed.

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Speaker 11: If you're talking about you're going to have a new

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Speaker 11: quarterback that's a rookie and you want to sign like,

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Speaker 11: that's why I'm not a post a veteran guide to

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Speaker 11: In case you need to bridge the gap a little bit,

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Speaker 11: then fine. But for the most part, most of these

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Speaker 11: rookies play right away that are good and should be

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Speaker 11: playing right away.

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Speaker 13: I know that.

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Speaker 1: But what if you're not in the running for one

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Speaker 1: of them?

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Speaker 11: You have to win a lot more games than we

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Speaker 11: all think they're gonna win.

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Speaker 3: No, but I would just argue that I think you've

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Speaker 3: seen a couple of bridge guys that they're not going

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Speaker 3: to get their teams to the promised Land, like Gino

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Speaker 3: Smith and Seattle, even Fred's guy Baker Mayfield in Tampa.

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Speaker 3: They have three and one like so you can sort

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Speaker 3: of remain relevant and find a way to you know,

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Speaker 3: I think kirk Cousins could be three and one.

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Speaker 5: Maybe not with the four games that they played this year,

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Speaker 5: but I think kirk Cousins can be Okay, while you

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Speaker 5: wait for you know the answer, like, if you're not

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Speaker 5: in position to get a quarterback, I would rather watch

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Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins play next year than Mac Jones if it

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Speaker 5: continues like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Ok, thanks Paul, But I don't think it's going to happen.

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Speaker 5: That's my point.

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Speaker 1: What's up, William? Another person in the submarine? What's going on?

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Speaker 5: I wonder if it's our phones? Oh yeah, okay, well

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Speaker 5: all right, I can't hear will will all right.

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Speaker 1: Well that's a smor that's gonna do it for this

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Speaker 1: edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Again, thank you everybody for participating.

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