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Well. 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: The New York Knicks, with their season on the line, 38 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: played the best game that they've played in this postseason 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: from start to finish. This is a team that's had 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: a lot of success in this postseason, but it's been 41 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: pretty uneven. Even their wins, especially in the Celtics series, 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: felt like all of them came from substantial deficits where 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: they played poorly for the most part, but then played 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: great in these short bursts. A wired to wire dominant 45 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: performance by the New York Knicks kind of changing the 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: way they were defending as well. We'll talk a lot 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: about that and how it translates to Game six, as 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: well as how it could translate forward to a potential 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: NBA Final series. Lots of interesting stuff we're going to 50 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: get into tonight that at the tail end of the show, 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: we're going to take ten to fifteen minutes of mail 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: bag questions from you guys. You guys know the drill 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: before we get started. Subscribe to the Hoops and I 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: YouTube channels. You don't miss any more of our videos. 55 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: Follow me on Twitter at underscore JSNLTS. You guysn't miss 56 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: you announcements. 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Also, when we finish here tonight, we're 67 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: heading over to playback. That's playback dot tv slash hoops tonight. 68 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: That's where we take callers, we watch film. It's more informal, 69 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: we just talk hoops. We kind of hang out more 70 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: as a community, and I've been really enjoying those those streams. 71 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: So make sure you guys hop over there with us 72 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: when we finish tonight on YouTube. All right, let's talk 73 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: some basketball. So the big takeaway in terms of the 74 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: schematic difference between Game five and Game six, or Game 75 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: four and Game five, and again, like most of the 76 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: case when it comes to situations like this, is just 77 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: the natural swings of urgency that take place in a 78 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: playoff series. I feel like we've had fewer of those 79 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: kinds of swings in this playoff run compared to some 80 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: recent years. I think that probably has something to do 81 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: with the overall level of physicality. But this is kind 82 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: of what happens in playoff series. His urgency kind of 83 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: oscillates back and forth, especially between two teams that are 84 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: relatively evenly matched, at least when it comes to their ceiling, 85 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: like these two teams, and the Knicks just came out 86 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: with a ton of urgency Jalen Brunson immediately it comes 87 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 2: out with a six to zero run, just obviously bringing 88 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: the aggression that he wasn't bringing down the stretch of 89 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 2: Game four, he kind of had a different feel in 90 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: terms of that intensity. Tyre's Halliburton just completely no shows 91 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: the game against some ball pressure, and here we are 92 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: sitting at three two. 93 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: But what were the specifics? 94 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: So the Knicks really went with a bunch of super 95 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: aggressive coverages tonight, tons of ball pressure, tons of denial 96 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: trying to prevent Tyre's Haliburton from even getting the ball. 97 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: This is something we talked a lot about going into 98 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: the series, and we did see briefly in at various 99 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: points throughout the series, especially down the stretch of Game 100 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: three when they got a win, but just out the 101 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: gates tonight, they were able to get Tyre's Halliburton to 102 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: be way less aggressive just by bringing a ton of pressure, 103 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: not just in the denials, but also when he had 104 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: the ball. It kind of felt like Tyreese was getting 105 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: rid of the ball just a beat too early tonight, 106 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: like where he would get downhill on a ball screen 107 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: and he'd already be jumping to turn around and pass 108 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: out of it before he's even really threatened in any 109 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: way as a scorer. And that's the impact of pressure. 110 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: Pressure makes ball handlers uncomfortable. Another big thing you saw 111 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: at night was off ball denials whenever anybody picked up 112 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: their dribble so or had a ball in the triple threat, 113 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: so like if you threw the ball to the high post, 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: or if a guy happened to pick up his dribble 115 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: because he overpenetrated and needed to stop boom. Everybody was 116 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: face guarding, denying, trying to prevent those easy kickouts, and 117 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 2: just in general, they made Indiana way way, way more 118 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: uncomfortable than they did in previous moments in the series. 119 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: In ball screens, they were blitzing, they were showing up high, 120 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: just really getting aggressive on the ball. You could hear 121 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: TIBs in that first or second time out on the 122 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: broadcast when they show what he was saying in the huddle, 123 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: he was like aggressive, aggressive, aggressive on our blitzes, on 124 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: our shows, and our pressure and our denials aggressive. The 125 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: point being you can take advantage of the dynamic that's 126 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: at play in terms of the urgency and it being 127 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: an elimination game. 128 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: I like the idea of. 129 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: Going with super aggressive coverages in this type of game. 130 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: You're at home in front of Madison Square Garden and 131 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: that crowd is just ravenous. Right, You're facing elimination, so 132 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: you know you're gonna get a certain level of urgency 133 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: out of your guys. The refs are gonna let you 134 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: get away with a lot of physicality in this type 135 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: of game, and most of all, it prevents you from 136 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: coming out lethargic. These coverages puts you in situations where 137 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: you're asked to sprint and be aggressive, whether that's in 138 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: a ball pressure situation or just because you're rotating around 139 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: off the ball after the pass comes out. It requires 140 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: intensity to be that aggressive, and so it kind of 141 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: just brings it out of you out of necessity, right, 142 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: and Indiana really just came apart at the seams to 143 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: give you guys an idea. Their previous series high and 144 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: turnovers was fourteen at twenty tonight averaged just ten and 145 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: a half turnovers per game in this series. They doubled 146 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: that in tonight's game. That's the level of discomfort they caused. 147 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: Indiana scored just forty five points in the first half. Remember, guys, 148 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: first quarter of Game four they had forty three points. 149 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: So just two completely different Pacers offenses in the last 150 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: two games. Because of that intensity and physicality. And again, 151 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: like Tyres Alliburton, as he's known to do at times, 152 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: and it's been less often in this postseason run than 153 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: it was last year, but when teams bring super intense 154 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: defensive efforts, he can no show a game. And that's 155 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: what he did tonight, and that you know, when that happens, 156 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: it's really difficult for Indiana to score effectively. And it 157 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: is something to keep in mind for Oklahoma City. We'll 158 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: talk more about that later should we get to that 159 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: to that point, if if Indiana can close it out. 160 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: But I thought everyone for the Knicks was great on that, 161 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: especially on the defensive end of the floor. 162 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Tonight. 163 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: I specifically want to shout out Mitchell Robinson he didn't 164 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: get a ton of burn in the second half as 165 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: Tibbs went more in the direction of Josh Hart and 166 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: Josh I thought played well tonight. I thought it was 167 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: one of Josh's better games in the series. It's kind 168 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: of like making some of the shots he was missing earlier, 169 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: grabbing some of the contested rebounds he was missing earlier 170 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: in the series. Right type of game to play, Josh. 171 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: And there was a couple runs that they gave up 172 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: at various points, but in the first half in particular, 173 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: when they were making that initial push, I thought Mitchell 174 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: Robinson was everywhere. The big thing that really stands out 175 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: to me with Mitch's his recovery athleticism. You saw a 176 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: couple of his like transition defense sequences where he gets 177 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: a little too much dip on his chip and he 178 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: like just straight up like attacks someone in the air 179 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: and commits a foul, but again preventing the easy layup 180 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 2: and making the guys actually earn those points at the line. 181 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: But in general, in every single one of those situations, 182 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: whether it's a ball screen where he's pursuing, or he's 183 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: in rotation, or he's in just like a situation where 184 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: he's on the ball while everyone else is denying. He 185 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: just brings this level of athleticism and kind of it 186 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: just feels like he just engulfs whoever he's going after 187 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: in those situations. 188 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: He's one of them. 189 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: Was fun to watch defensive players in the league when 190 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: he's really going. And I you know, Mitchell Robbinson is 191 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: an interesting player in terms of how he kind of 192 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 2: fits in the league beyond the scope of just a 193 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: backup center. There are some issues obviously in terms of 194 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: maintaining motor over larger minute loads and whether or not 195 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: he has the offensive utility to be a factor in 196 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: a more, you know, featured role. But when he when 197 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: he comes off the bench, and obviously for the last 198 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: two games in a starting role, and he's when he's 199 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: when he's out there in those limited minutes, he just 200 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: brings this absurd amount of energy and it can just 201 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: really be disruptive for their opponent. I thought Brunson and 202 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: Cat were both phenomenal and offense tonight again, Brunson kind 203 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 2: of a classic like we're not losing type of attitude, 204 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: Like you could just see it in his body language 205 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: and demeanor right out the gates. He knew that he 206 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: didn't do enough at down the stretch of Game four. 207 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: We watched the end of Game four after on playback 208 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: a couple of nights ago, and it's just kind of 209 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: weird how Brunson just wasn't looking to be aggressive down 210 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: the stretch and was just kind of passing out of 211 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: some situations that we typically see him. 212 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: Shoot out of. But he fixed that right away. 213 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we were talking about Nie Smith not solving him, 214 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: so to speak, but really wearing him down over the 215 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: course of the series. 216 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: Strong signed tonight that he came. 217 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: Out and just straight up bested that matchup immediately out 218 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: the gates, and he's going to have to do that 219 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: again in Game six for the Knicks to win. And 220 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 2: then Karl Anthony Towns. He's been basically unguardable since the 221 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: fourth quarter of Game three. It seems like it's really 222 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: clicked for him that none of these dudes can guard 223 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: him in terms of one on one kind of face 224 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: up situations. He can just rip through whether it's right 225 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: or left, and just power through contact and get all 226 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 2: the way to the bucket. And you could tell Indiana's 227 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: trying really hard to send him to his left hand 228 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: but he was able to power through to his right 229 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: hand several times today and just get up through contact 230 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: and he just like rips his arms up through the 231 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: people that are reaching and grabbing, and he just has 232 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: a gift for finishing through contact. He was amazing tonight. 233 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: Really just a wired to wire dominant performance for the Knick, 234 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: and that if you're looking for a bit of optimism, 235 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: it's the first time in this series that they've had 236 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: that type of wire wire performance. And the last time 237 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: they had a wired to wire type of performance like 238 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: that was in Game six against the Celtics. If you 239 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: guys remember when they really were peaking at that point 240 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: in the series, and they're going to need to maintain 241 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 2: that peak if they're gonna have any chance to win 242 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: Game six. Game six will be the toughest game that 243 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: New York has played in the series. We talked after 244 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: Game four. These two teams, when they're at their best 245 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: are pretty similar. You could even argue that New York 246 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: ceiling is maybe a touch higher just because Kat and 247 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson are more reliable as one on one players 248 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: if they end up in slow down situations than a 249 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: Siakam or a Halliburton. But the difference is I know 250 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: what we're gonna get from Indiana on Saturday. We're going 251 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: to get the Pacers very best. They're gonna come out 252 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: the gates with a ton of pressure and pace and 253 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: aggressiveness and energy and all of it. I feel pretty 254 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: confident Haliburton's gonna have a big bounce back game. They 255 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: are going to be the best version of the Pacers 256 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: on Saturday night. With the Knicks, I literally have no 257 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: idea what to expect this Saturday, and I would imagine 258 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: most of you Knicks fans feel the same, Like they're 259 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: just as likely to roll over and get beat by 260 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: thirty as they are to win the game. And that's 261 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: what makes them really difficult to get a read on 262 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: for this type of game, because we've just seen so 263 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: many times, even in series that they've won in this 264 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: postseason look bad and it for extended stretches, and so 265 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: it's just kind of weird. I just don't know what 266 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: we're gonna get. But to be clear, I do know 267 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: that New York can win that game. In terms of 268 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: the schematics, I would try those same super aggressive coverages again. 269 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: It's the only time in the series they've had sustained 270 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: defensive success. Even going back to our playback session last night, 271 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: when we started watching some of the OKC Indiana tape 272 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 2: just in prep for a theoretical finals, there were a 273 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: lot of Oklahoma City had a lot of success. They 274 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: were also able to get Tyree Saliburton to just completely 275 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: diseng with that type of pressure. It might just be 276 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: your best chance to beat the Pacers. And also it 277 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: just keeps you aggressive. I mean, like, think of it 278 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: like this. If you're gonna give up a bunch of 279 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: advantages anyway, because when you're in your traditional defense you 280 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: get lost too often, might as well get lost in 281 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: the context of everybody flying around and trying to pressure 282 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: the ball and see if it can cause enough payoffs 283 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: to prevent those sorts of easy kind of tick tack 284 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: toe sequences where Indiana gets wide open shots over and 285 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: over again. I also think trying to bring the worst 286 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: out of Tyris Aliburn is the best way to give 287 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: yourselself a chance to win in that building. If you 288 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: let him get comfortable, I think you're just gonna lose. 289 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: And so again, ball pressure denial, same sort of stuff. 290 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: In Game six, I think you have to lean into that. 291 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: But again, the Knicks have clearly demonstrated in this series 292 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: at two different points down the stretch, at Game four 293 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: and then again tonight, that they can shake Indiana's offensive 294 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 2: foundation with their defense in Game six. If they do that, 295 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: they've got a very good chance to win. For the Pacers, 296 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: it's just about not allowing New York's pressure to dislodge 297 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: them from their offense. Haliburton's gotta shed the denials. Be 298 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: physical on the ball, throw the guy out of the way, 299 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: go get the basketball. Look to be more aggressive early 300 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: and often in the game. Don't pass the ball too 301 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: early out of your attacks. If you pass the ball 302 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: too early, if the defense hasn't committed to you in 303 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: any real way, there's no advantage that you're creating. You 304 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: create advantage by being a threat. You be a threat 305 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: by looking to get further deeper into your attacks. Just 306 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: that was just completely missing from Tyre's Halliburton tonight. Make 307 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: the defense react to you. One of the things we 308 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: saw in film, and this is something that I've talked 309 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: about a lot in this postseason dating back to the 310 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: Cavs series, But I really like when Haliburton is getting 311 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: denied and facing a lot of pressure and he's going 312 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: through one of those stretches where he's being a little 313 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: bit more uninvolved. Get him involved in the action, have 314 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: him be a screener. We saw some examples of that 315 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: again in the Oklahoma City tape last night where in 316 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: the one clutch game they played a lot of nemhard 317 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: on ball because Halliburton was struggling with dort Well, they 318 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: just used how Leburton as a screener and like you know, 319 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: double dragon stack type of actions to try to keep 320 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: him involved. And again, like when you and are in 321 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: a situation where you're like hugging, and you said, there 322 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: were so many examples tonight where like they're showing replays 323 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: and like Nix are literally like hugging pacers off the ball, 324 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: And again that's just playoff basketball. That's kind of contact. 325 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: They've been allowing off ball more or less this entire postseason, 326 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: in every series. But you've got to find a way to, 327 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: uh to have success in that context. And if you 328 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: have an on ball guys call it in them hard 329 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: or siakam and you have you have Halliburton go up 330 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: to set the screen and Michal Bridges is hugging him. 331 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: Mcal's probably not gonna help on screens, and so there's 332 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: a lot of advantages you can create there by either 333 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: having the guy turn the corner as Haliburton screening, or 334 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: if McHale comes off in any way, shape or form, 335 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: he can then slip out of it and then Tyros 336 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: Aliburton has an opportunity to attack with an advantage, but 337 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: he is attacked from Halliburton when he does get his catches, 338 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: when he does get his opportunities, he cannot just completely 339 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: disengage from the game offensively the way he did tonight. 340 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: And then on defense, I'm more or less okay with 341 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: how they've guarded Jalen Brunson. I thought they could have 342 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: been a little bit tighter on their help tonight. There 343 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: were a couple of situations where I thought they were 344 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: just a step light, especially from the low man position. 345 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: Aaron E. 346 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: Smith obviously can do a better job staying attached. He's 347 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: won that matchup over the tail end of this series, 348 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: but Brunson is what he is, and there's only so 349 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: much you can do. I'm not necessarily worried about the 350 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: specific coverage there with Kat, though I think they need 351 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: to throw more resources at him. They have to make 352 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: him a passer, more aggressive with the double teams earlier 353 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: with help, put him in a situation where he has 354 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: to make reads in traffic instead of just allowing him 355 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: to bulldoze his way to the rim in one on 356 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: one situations. Once Kat gets his momentum, he's just a 357 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: bowl in a china shop and he's going to win 358 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: that battle more often than not. You've got to put 359 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: him in a situation where he can't get his runway. 360 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: And the only way you're going to do that is 361 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: if you bring early help or doubles, and so I 362 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: want to see a lot of that in Game six. 363 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: Last note on the Pacers before we get to our questions. 364 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: There. 365 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: I'm a little concerned about a theoretical Oklahoma City matchup 366 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: after a little bit of the film that we watched 367 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: last night and from what I saw tonight. So we've 368 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 2: been going back and forth about this, and I haven't 369 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: really devoted a ton of energy towards watching all of 370 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: the tape because I want to wait till we know 371 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: what the actual matchup is. It would be annoying if 372 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: I did that and then all of a sudden we're 373 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: covering a Knicks Thunder Finals, right. 374 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: But we've done a little bit of it. 375 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: We watched a little bit of tape last night from 376 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, and I've been thinking through theoretical coverages and 377 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: stuff like that with Jackson. We've talked in segments on 378 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 2: the show, and you know, we came around to being 379 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: a little more positive in terms of just their ability 380 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: to pass through Oklahoma City's defense and some of their 381 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: smaller guards and their ability to slide their feet and 382 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: stay in front of Shay. But one of the things 383 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: that we saw last night in the Oklahoma City game 384 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: is Tyre's Halliburton wanted nothing to do with the basketball 385 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: down the stretch of a game, and they were just 386 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: going through Andrew emhard and using Halliburton a little bit 387 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: as a screener. And they lost that game in a 388 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: crunch time situation in Indiana. Now context there being substantially 389 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: earlier in the season, basically a different Pacers team. Nie 390 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: Smith wasn't even available in that game. There were several 391 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: sequences when Oklahoma City was pinching off of Ben Mathern, 392 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: and you could tell the Pacers are just a little 393 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: bit hesitant to throw that kickout pass because he's not 394 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: the level of shooter that Nie Smith is, and so 395 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: like again, the regular season basketball is regular season basketball, 396 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: and hopefully over the course of a series, Tyres would 397 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: be more comfortable, but it was a little discouraging to 398 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: see that he just didn't really seem to be comfortable 399 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 2: at all operating with the ball against Oklahoma City's defense. 400 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: The Knicks, they they've been like occasionally costplaying as a 401 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: good defense at various points in the season. They have 402 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 2: had no sustained defensive success at all at any point 403 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: in this postseason or in this entire season, dating for 404 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: from October all the way through to this point. The 405 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: point being, they are not going to They're not going 406 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: to be able to reach the level that Oklahoma City 407 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: can reach on that end of the floor, point being 408 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: you're going whatever it is you're seeing from New York, 409 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 2: it's going to be a substantially harder version of it 410 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: in the finals if you even get to that point. 411 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: And so again, step number one is you got to 412 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: be able to handle this pressure and you got to 413 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: be able to play Pacers basketball, because if you can't 414 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: figure it out against the Knicks, you have no chance 415 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: of figuring it out against the thunder. If I had 416 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 2: to pick right now for Game six, I think Indiana 417 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: wins and wins comfortably. But I absolutely think the Knicks 418 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: have a chance to win that series or that game. 419 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: And I think if they do win that game, all 420 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: of a sudden, they become the favorite to win the 421 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: series and have a great chance to go to the finals. 422 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: So if you're a Knicks fan, you just got to 423 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: think about it in a one game context. Go in 424 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: on Saturday, and you're in great shape to go to 425 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: the finals. Go in on Saturday, right, but you guys 426 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: know the job. It's not going to be easy. That 427 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: Pacers team and must win games at home as and 428 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 2: a literally a buzzsaw. So I think the Pacers are 429 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: to say bet, but the Knicks absolutely have their chance. 430 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 3: Blending Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high octane world 431 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: of sports, Vice Sports brings an exciting and diverse range 432 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: of programming that goes beyond the game. 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Go to vicetv dot 438 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: com to find your cable channel. 439 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: All right, let's get to Jackson, and let's get to 440 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: some questions. 441 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: Let's do it. 442 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 4: Let's sort of stay on that Game six, how the 443 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 4: Knicks would win topic for a minute here. If the 444 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 4: Knicks win Game six, do you think it would be 445 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 4: more about their defense and the pressure than the turnovers 446 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: they were able to generate tonight, or more about the 447 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: their offensive success via Catz sort of continued dominance in Brunson. 448 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: I think that the Knicks offense kind of feeds off 449 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 2: of their defense, their team that I think has been 450 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: at their best offensively this season when they're running out 451 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 2: in transition. So I think they're kind of connected to 452 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: a certain extent. I'm not particularly worried about Brunston and 453 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: cat being able to generate offense. There's a certain amount 454 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: of like role player shooting variable that you have to 455 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: factor in. Like I mean, I thought the four jump 456 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: shots that Landry Shammitt and Duce McBride hit tonight were huge, 457 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: Like they each hit a catch and shoot three and 458 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: then they each hit a kind of a tough off 459 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 2: the dribble jump shot in the mid range that were 460 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: important shots Seamit's was weird he like jumped way back 461 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: and almost had his feet on the three point line. 462 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: But like there's a certain amount of like that role 463 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: player shooting that could be a variable in that sort 464 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: of game. But I think it's all about the defense. 465 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: Like to put it very simply, the pacers are a 466 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: great shot generating machine, and if they allow that machine 467 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: to operate, they're just going to make the shots and 468 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: you're going to lose. The only chance you have is 469 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: to disrupt that engine, dislodge them from their offensive foundation 470 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: to where they're not moving the ball as well, they're 471 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: not playing with as much pace, they're starting to second 472 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: guess their decision making. Tyres Haliburton wants no parts of it. 473 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: That's where you have the opportunity to really slow the 474 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: game down, at least on that side of the floor, 475 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: and then just pushing off of missus, pushing off of turnovers, 476 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: and when it comes down to a close game late 477 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: in the half court, you like your chances with Jalen 478 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: Brunston and Karl Anthony Towns, right. 479 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: So I think it has more to do with their defense. 480 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 4: So you were saying, if you were going to finish 481 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 4: the sentence in like an old school sports caster, away 482 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 4: the Knicks win Game six if if they're able to 483 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: make Tyres Haliburton uncomfortable. 484 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: Yes, if they're able to I think in general, dislodging 485 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: Indiana from their foundation on offense, meaning like taking away 486 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: some of the easy transition opportunities, preventing the like, oh, 487 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: they're seventeen on the shot clock and they've already gotten 488 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: into action and created a wide open catch and shoot situation, 489 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 2: like ball pressure denial, preventing them from getting into their 490 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: stuff early, making them work deeper into the clock, and 491 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: making them play one on one. 492 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 4: What is your take on the Knicks looking so good 493 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 4: in the last couple games, sort of extending leads with 494 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: Brunt in the minutes with Brunson, it's been on the bench. 495 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: This has been something we looked into in the numbers 496 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: on playback one of the Knights a couple It was 497 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: like a couple of nights ago or something like that. Basically, 498 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: when Brunson's on and Kat's off, they're good, And when 499 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: Kat's on and Brunson's off, they're good and when both 500 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 2: of them have been on they've been a net negative 501 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 2: at this point in the postseason. And it's really not 502 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: all that complicated. There's a there's a simplified order of operations. 503 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: When you have one ball handler on the floor, that 504 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 2: dude just knows he's got to be super aggressive, and 505 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: that can like any basketball player knows that, if you 506 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: play alongside a bunch of ball handling talent, it can 507 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: be a more complicated process of like figuring out rhythm, 508 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: like sometimes you overpass, sometimes you underpass, Like there's a 509 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: lot of like who is it that's looking to be 510 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: aggressive in this part of the game. Having staggering gives 511 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: you a situation where it's like, hey, here are the 512 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 2: keys of the offense you're working you know, yeah, Deuce 513 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: is out there, Michale's out there on second side action, 514 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: but we're playing through you. And then it's a simple 515 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: fact that like every other New York Knicks player that 516 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: touches the floor is a dude that heats on the 517 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 2: defensive end and flies around in rotation. And so if 518 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: you have four of those dudes on the floor instead 519 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: of three, you're just a better defensive team. And honestly, 520 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: That's the thing that stood out in the numbers two 521 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: when we looked it's just the next defense with both 522 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: of them on the floor is just rough. 523 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yeah, for sure on the point of the 524 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: next defense in the ball pressure as that was definitely 525 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 4: the big storyline from the night. Why do you think 526 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 4: they haven't done this earlier? Is it a coach coaching 527 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: tid not? His Tim's philosophy right now is easy word 528 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 4: about the personnel, like what has taken them so long 529 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 4: to make this kind of adjustment. 530 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: Every basketball team has an identity. We've talked about this 531 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 2: a lot with regards to the Pacers and the Thunder. 532 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: We've talked about it, even with like Golden State. There's 533 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: like certain teams where it's like, we have a goal 534 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: to maximize our talent, grab every little bit of low 535 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: hanging fruit, and so this is the way that we're 536 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: looking to go. But those teams have depth. The Warriors 537 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 2: consistently have had you know, twelve to thirteen role players 538 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: that they've trusted to play big minutes. The Pacers have 539 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: had a bench they can go to. The Thunder have 540 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: a deep bench they can go to. I think that 541 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: Tibbs has looked at his team and been like, I 542 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 2: trust six of these dudes, so maybe seven. So we 543 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: need to keep their minutes high. And so as a 544 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: result of that, I can't be asking them to blitz 545 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: and deny and pick up full cord and do all 546 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Urgency brought that out, But I 547 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: think another part of it too is like getting to 548 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 2: the like I thought Precious to a shift that he 549 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: played tonight was pretty effective. I think he came in 550 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 2: late too, but the when he came in that third 551 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: quarter stretch, I thought he was effective. The Delawn Wright 552 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: minutes have been effective on the defensive end throughout the series, 553 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: and the bits that he's been playing well Andrew Sham 554 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: it's been like good, like flat out goods for them. 555 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: So like digging deeper into the bench and putting those 556 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: guys in a position where they're playing more roles, like 557 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: eighteen minutes out of Duce McBride, fourteen minutes out of 558 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: Lander sham At, ten minutes out of the Lawn right. 559 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 2: That keeps everyone else's minutes down. Cat played thirty six minutes, 560 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: no other starter played over thirty four. You put yourself 561 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: in a situation where because you're using your depth. You're 562 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: more comfortable picking up well court denying being that physical. 563 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 2: I think they would have done it anyway under the circumstances, 564 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: just because of the intensity of the moment, and we 565 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 2: have seen in this postseason for stretches they really ratcheted 566 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: up defensively and they look great. But I think just 567 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: going with a shorter rotation has caused the Knicks, and 568 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 2: this has been a thing they've done most of the season. 569 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 2: Going with a shorter rotation most of the season has 570 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: put them in a situation where their base scheme has 571 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: had to involve a certain amount of passivity on the 572 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: defensive end of the floor. 573 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like that sort of speaks to a bit, 574 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 4: like really shows the flaw in some of Tibbs's thinking. 575 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 4: It's like he hasn't even even not not that you 576 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 4: would if you were looking on paper, you would necessarily 577 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 4: think guys like Delon Wright, Precious to Chewa, and Landry 578 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 4: Shammitt would be playoff game changers. But it's sort of 579 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 4: like the moment those guys came in, they were effective. 580 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 4: It is a little not an indictment, It's not that 581 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 4: too strong. 582 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: Of a word. 583 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 4: I don't mean it that strongly, but it does sort 584 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 4: of illustrate I think some of the issues that Knicks 585 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 4: fans have with TIBs. If he plays his start at 586 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 4: such such heavy minutes, doesn't necessarily give these other guys 587 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: a chance to carve out a role for themselves. Because 588 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 4: the moment those guys are given the minutes, in the 589 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 4: biggest moment of the season, they have been effective. 590 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: There's a proven way to make basketball easy that Indiana 591 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: and Oklahoma City have capitalized on too. What I mean 592 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: by that is like, it's not like you if you 593 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: look at Indiana's roster, how many people were super high 594 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 2: on Obi Toppen before he played for the Pacers. How 595 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: many people were super high on Thomas Bryant before he 596 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: played for the Pacers. Like Ben Athern's a guy who's 597 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: been integrated at various points throughout throughout his young career 598 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: as being kind of a shot chucker and inefficient. 599 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: You know, a guy who can't play off ball. 600 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: When you put when you put these guys into a system, 601 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: a system that has simple rules. Here's how we run, 602 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: here's what we do on offense, Here's the way we defend. 603 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: When you put these guys in situations where like any 604 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: basketball player can be successful as long as they follow 605 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 2: these basic rules and these basic reads, you can turn 606 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 2: you know, fringe NBA talent. I'm not trying to say 607 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: these guys are fringe NBA town, but relative to what 608 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: we would consider to be like the types of rock solid, 609 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 2: playoff bench guys that we've thought about over the years, 610 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: you know, like Bruce Brown with the Nuggets, or you know, 611 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: Livingston and Nigudala with the Warriors back in the day, 612 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: or whoever. Like these guys are benefiting from the culture 613 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: that comes from the top down. So like to your point, 614 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: like if Tips started the season and said we're gonna 615 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: pick up full court and we're gonna we're gonna deny 616 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: and we're gonna be super physical with our ball pressure 617 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: and we're gonna run in transition like crazy, then you 618 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: get into a situation where you're running a ten eleven 619 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: man rotation from the start of the year. We might 620 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: look at Landry Shammitt and de Lawn right, and these 621 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: guys pressures to Chua as like different basketball players in 622 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: the big picture because they fit into like this scheme 623 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: and it's like just TIBs won a different route. TIBs 624 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: went that I want to lean on my top end 625 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: talent as much as possible, So we're gonna be a 626 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: team that cuts corners on defense all year long. And 627 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: so guess what, they've been inconsistent on defense in this postseason. 628 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: It's kind of like, you know, if there's one thing 629 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: that has stood out to me in a big way, 630 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: and it's it's funny because this is something I've always believed. 631 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: This is this is something I've always believed, but I 632 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: just it's at certain points I'll like undervalue it, you know, 633 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: especially as we've been thinking more about offense recently. 634 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Getting a team to just. 635 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: Play the right way on a night in, night out 636 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: basis during the regular season matters just does. And we 637 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: are looking down the barrel of most likely Indiana Oklahoma 638 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: City Finals, and I would argue the Thunder played harder 639 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: all season than anybody. And I'd argue the Pacers played 640 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: harder over the second half of the season than anybody 641 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: out east, and here they are looking sharper and getting 642 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: more of that low hanging fruit and winning basketball games 643 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: as a result. 644 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 4: Well, next question, does Cats dominance in the back half 645 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 4: of this series change your thought? Your perspective if the 646 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 4: Knicks should trade him this summer. 647 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a matchup related thing here 648 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: going on with Indiana, which is like none of their 649 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: dudes are big enough to handle him. So I think 650 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: like there are versions of matchups that you could see 651 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: on a series by series basis that like, for instance, 652 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: like let's say that the Knicks made it to the finals, 653 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 2: the Thunder are a more physical team with a with 654 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: a pretty strong frontline defensively, now with Chet and Isaiah Hartenstein, 655 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: it's very possible that he looks ineffectual offensively in a 656 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: series like that. So, like, I don't want to sit 657 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: here and say that, I don't want to sit here 658 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: and undercut the work that Cat's done down the stretch 659 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: of the series. He has found out the Indiana kank 660 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: gard and he's having a lot of success now bulling 661 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: his way to the basket, and that I think matters. 662 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: But the flip side of it is is that everything 663 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: is matchup dependent, and we just have so many examples 664 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: over the years of Cat kind of struggling. And here's 665 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: the thing, guys, Let's see how Cat defends in Game six, 666 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: Like it's a big important game on the road must 667 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: win elimination game. Like he goes out in game six 668 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: and he defends the way that he needs to defend 669 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: and he puts in you know, twenty five and fifteen, 670 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: then yeah, we can start having a different conversation as 671 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: he's now done it in a high stake situation to 672 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: put himself in a situation where he can go to 673 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: the finals. But like to this point, if we like 674 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: really zoom out from this postseason, it's it's been a 675 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: little bit more complicated than just here are his points 676 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: per game totals for sure. 677 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 4: Last before we go over to playback the draft, the 678 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 4: DraftKings line on Game six is Pacers minus four. I'm 679 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 4: gonna put you on the spot who is going to 680 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 4: win games? If if you had to pick right now, who 681 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 4: is gonna win Game six? 682 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: I think the Pacers will win and they'll cover. I 683 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: think I didn't pick the Pacers over the. 684 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: Knicks because of like anti Knicks anything or any sort 685 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: of like even matchup related stuff. I just think the 686 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: Pacers are a better team. I think they're a better 687 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: team on both ends of the floor because they're more 688 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: more consistently at their ceiling. I do think the Knicks 689 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: can win that game. But I just think the Pacers 690 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: are safe for bet because they've demonstrated that throughout this season. 691 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: They've also just been consistently an absolute buzz saw and 692 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: like must win games at home, and I just think 693 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: that I just think that's gonna be one of the 694 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: most difficult games that you could ever ask a team 695 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: to win, is go on the road to Indiana, they get, 696 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 2: they get to go to the finals if they win, Like, yeah, 697 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna be it's gonna be rough. And 698 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: so again, it's not that I don't think the Knicks 699 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: can win. I just think the Pacers are far and 700 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: away the safe bet, and I think it's more likely 701 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: than not that they win big, Like i'd be looking 702 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: at alternate spread bets in a game like that. All right, guys, 703 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: that's all I have for tonight. Again, we're heading over 704 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: to playback, So let's playback dot tv slash Hoops tonight. 705 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: We'll be taking callers and hanging out and having fun. 706 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: Make sure you guys head over there. For those of 707 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: you guys who are not following us, we'll be back 708 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: on YouTube Saturday night. We've got thirty eight of the 709 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: last forty one nights, but we are finally done going 710 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: every night, so we will be back on Saturday night 711 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: for Game six of the Eastern Conference Finals between the 712 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: Pacers and the Knicks. 713 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: I will see you guys then. What's up guys? 714 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: As always, I appreciate you for listening to and supporting 715 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: OOPS tonight. They would actually be really helpful for us 716 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: if you guys would take a second and leave a 717 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: rating and a review. 718 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: As always, I appreciate you. 719 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: Guys supporting us, but if you could take a minute 720 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: to do that, I'd really appreciate it. 721 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 3: The volume