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Speaker 1: This is the best of two pros and a couple

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Speaker 2: We continue the conversation here in the waiting game for

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Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, because the NBA Finals tip off tomorrow night,

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Speaker 2: and apparently the NBA Finals and the NBA itself couldn't wait.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't wait any longer.

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Speaker 2: They had to get some news out there, and that

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Speaker 2: news was Tom Thibodeau. He gone as the head coach

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Speaker 2: of the New York Knicks. That is a rap for

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Speaker 2: his time as a New York Knicks coach, even though

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Speaker 2: despite the fact the New York Knicks did something they

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Speaker 2: hadn't done in twenty five years and he was the

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Speaker 2: head coach in charge of the team as they did it,

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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeaux finds himself on the outside looking in with

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Speaker 2: the Knicks now moving on and looking for a brand

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Speaker 3: You know, Uh Brunson was very very offended when he

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Speaker 3: was asked about if Tibadeaux, what's the right guy for

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Speaker 3: the job? You want to hear it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, let's hear there is a little

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson talking about coach Tibbs following their loss.

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Speaker 4: You talked about the confidence. Obviously, I feel like nobody

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Speaker 4: takes more criticism than Tom and this team obviously has

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Speaker 4: turned around during his tenure. Do you kind of feel

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Speaker 3: Is that a real question right now? You just asked

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Speaker 3: me him. I believe that if he's the right guy. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Fun probably should ask James Dolean that maybe he would

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Speaker 2: have been the better guy to asked about that question. Look,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a clown show. I think it's disguised

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Speaker 2: as an Eastern Conference Finals team. But I think if

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Speaker 2: you just looked hard enough, Madison Square Gardens not actually

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Speaker 2: And this whole idea that the Knicks should be taken

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Speaker 2: This is part for the course. I mean, it would

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Speaker 2: But I feel like this was already in the works,

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Speaker 2: going to lose his job because there's no other explanation

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Speaker 2: for why exactly he would you would move on from

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Speaker 2: the guy other than you had this in your mind

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Speaker 3: He was going to get cleft. You know, there's already

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Speaker 3: people throwing their hat into the ring to become the

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Speaker 3: new head coach of the New York Knickerbockers. Who's that?

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Speaker 3: Let me read it for you. I want every bit

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Speaker 3: of the smoke in New York, NYC. I'm one hundred

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Speaker 3: ready to head coach the great New York Knicks. Queen's

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Speaker 3: Brad dominated my high school era three championships at the

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Speaker 3: at the real Gershwin when there was no security. Lots

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Speaker 3: more on the NYC front. Had a Nick practice shirt

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Speaker 3: speak for themselves. I basically locked up tons of Hall

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying this to be you know kind of

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Speaker 3: Thibodeaux is not. That was the firing was in my estimation.

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Speaker 3: They have been, they have been competitive and seemingly very

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Speaker 3: You're closer to success than you are the failure. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I don't know why this

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Speaker 2: So Mike Malone, his name is out there. The guy

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Speaker 2: And and so so Mike Malone's name's been thrown out there.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Mike Malone, for that market would be

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Speaker 3: Okay, good luck with that. Good good luck. Why would

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Speaker 2: So that's why Doc Rivers always comes back.

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Speaker 3: Now we know because he needs his old spice. Now

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Speaker 3: Lee Lee. You said pat Riley retired via fax.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well from he resigned from the Knicks via fax.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 2: It's been a big week for Saquon Barkley. Tell us why, Well,

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Speaker 2: So he is on the Madden cover. Congratulations of Saquon too.

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Speaker 2: Was there the steak che Steak plays what are they

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Speaker 3: Kwon Yeah out at Geno's right. Yeah, that's like where

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Speaker 2: Steak and cheese was used to be that I remember,

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Speaker 3: The consistency of what that would create with yeah, I would.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it took years off our lives like that.

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Speaker 3: whatever kind of can it comes out of like a

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Speaker 3: Whipped cream type of container. It's different containers. All I

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Speaker 3: It's disgusting. Bruh, like like mayonnaise, mayo and and cheese.

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Speaker 3: Wi did you miracle? Did you toast the did you

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Speaker 3: Yeah I could do that. Yeah, I could do that.

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Speaker 2: We just trusted whatever the supermarket gave to us. No,

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Speaker 2: I got a couple of questions about Well want A

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Speaker 3: Beloved by the ownership and by the community. Obviously being

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Speaker 3: Did you see that? Yeah, Big Dom was walking him around.

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Speaker 3: Of course he was. That was pretty cool. Yeah, of

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Speaker 2: So you know what, you know, can the Giants ever

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Speaker 3: No, he doesn't.

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Speaker 5: And note this sa one doesn't get any cash either.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what about the guys in posters that are

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Speaker 2: to be involved in this, it's like a you know,

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Speaker 2: a guy that loses a fight. He still gets paid.

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Speaker 2: It's not like he's you know, you lose and you

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Speaker 6: From what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 5: No, the people who are quote unquote poster ized do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sucks. I'm certain Saquon gets paid for the

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Speaker 3: He didn't do that. That's not for free. That's like

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00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 3: the promotional deals that are created out of him getting

433
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: on the cover. That's not that's not in the collective

434
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: bargaining agreement. They got to pay him for that. Yet

435
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 3: that that promo dip, that promo dip surely hit.

436
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 5: Can you guys guess the one player who's turned down

437
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 5: being a Madden cover Deshaun Watson?

438
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: Dang?

439
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't think he turned it down.

440
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, I'm fine, Aaron Hernandez, Sorry, it's actually La

441
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: Danian Tomlinson.

442
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: Turned it down. Yea, you know there was a yeah,

443
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: well there was.

444
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 5: There was a curse, but he said it wasn't because

445
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 5: of that.

446
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: He said they didn't.

447
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 5: Value him and they weren't going to be paying him,

448
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 5: so he said it wasn't worth his time to go

449
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 5: to those those photo shoots and what really?

450
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you pass up

451
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: a man that that's like, that's a cool honor to.

452
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: The value him and they weren't going to be paying

453
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: him to go do all that stuff. I can't. I

454
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: cannot believe that they would not be paying them for

455
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: their time. That makes app That makes that makes absolutely

456
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: zero sense. Well, who got the cover if it wasn't

457
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: La Danian Tomlinson. Hmmm, I'm trying. I'm trying to think

458
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 3: what year that would be.

459
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: He said it was oh seven, but he wasn't sure.

460
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: It might have been Shawn Alexander.

461
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 5: That might have been the Shawn Alexander here and oh seven, Yeah.

462
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, that seems late for Shawn Alexander,

463
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 3: doesn't it.

464
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 5: Well that that was yeah, and then the year after

465
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 5: that was Vince Young O eight, wow.

466
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: And uh, you know what Vince Young did with whatever

467
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: money he made there, He took it all to uh cheesecakes, yeah,

468
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: and Applebee's. So the other aspect of Saquon Barkley's big

469
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: week is his appearance that he made on The Green

470
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Light with Chris Long, in which he talked about, you know,

471
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: maybe while they're celebrating me at this at the Philly

472
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: Cheese Steak Spots and I'm on the cover of the

473
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: video game and I'm a super Bowl champion and I

474
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: got this new contract, maybe I won't be around here

475
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: all that long.

476
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: One of my favorite players of all time is probably

477
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 3: my favorit play all time, is Barry Sanders, So probably

478
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: similar to that, maybe one day, like he'll be out

479
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: of nowhere I'll probably balling and just be like, yeah,

480
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: call it.

481
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: Quits, all right, you know, Saquan is that the move

482
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: he just kind of does. He send the picture like

483
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: Marshawn Lynch did where he throws the sneakers up on

484
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: the telephone wires and just says, I'm out.

485
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: And that's around. I mean, Barry Sanders is a very

486
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: very differently wired dude. Like he is. He is so

487
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: like he's just gotten comfortable with getting attention, like and

488
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: it still kind of pains him to get attention. I

489
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: think Saquon enjoys the attention, but at the same time,

490
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: he is one of them. Like when I say, and

491
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's just because he went to Penn State,

492
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: I'm saying because I've been around him since he was

493
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: a kid, like like early days, since his freshman year

494
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: of college. He's just always been a good dude. Like

495
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: you know, how you walk away from somebody, you'd be like,

496
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: that's just a good person, Like that is just a really,

497
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: really really good person. Yeah. In general, yeah, I'll tell you,

498
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: I'll be fanboying out sometimes. Like so, I was on

499
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: a visit with with man Man and at Penn State,

500
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: he was going on his official We were on his

501
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: official and Sakua was there. He was there to talk

502
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: to talk to the guys, and he gave the whole

503
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 3: entire team his signature sneaker the year before, and I

504
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: was like, dang, I saw the sneakers in like a

505
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: presentation dip you know, around the facility. I said, y'all

506
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: got any of them left? So just so happens coincidentally,

507
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: I get my sneakers, like, I get some Saquon Barkley

508
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 3: sneakers right and then he's there. So I was like, man,

509
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: you gotta sign these for me. And that's last year.

510
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: So I got a pair of Saquon Barkley signed sneakers

511
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 3: the year before. He goes and has basically an MVP

512
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: season in the National Football League. But a lot of

513
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: guys would like one. They'd be like, you know, like

514
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to sign you know, I don't want

515
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: to sign autographs. A lot of guys would do that.

516
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: A lot of guys would not be as humble when

517
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: they meet older guys, you know, when they're around. It's

518
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: just like it just all depends on, you know, just

519
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: the personality makeup of the person. But he's always engaging.

520
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: I've always said one of the best skills and best

521
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: qualities a person can possess is the ability to make

522
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: somebody that you don't even know like they've known you

523
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: your entire life. And that's how Saquon is. And to

524
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: anyone who's ever met him, you feel like you're important

525
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: to him, and I really appreciate. I appreciate that more

526
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: about Saquon Barkley than I do anything he's ever done

527
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: on the football field, because there's always going to be

528
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: guys that can do phenomenal things on the football field.

529
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: So to answer your question, he's such a good dude,

530
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: and he has positioned himself so well, and there are

531
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: so many people that think so highly of him that

532
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: if he ever decided to just walk away from the game,

533
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: it's not like he's just walking away to not have

534
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: any other opportunities. There will be a plethora of things

535
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: for him to be able to do and people that

536
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: will want to be associated with him and attach their

537
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: brands to Saquon if he were to decide to walk away.

538
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: So if he did it, it's possible he could. But

539
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: I'll say this, while this team is constructed the way

540
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: that they are, if all things given, if they don't

541
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: change anything about what they got going on, there would

542
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: be no reason for him to retire early, because go ahead,

543
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: just keep enjoying it.

544
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Because the Barry Sanders decision to retire was because the

545
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: organization was a mess, and he was like.

546
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 3: Man, they couldn't win it, and they were close. He

547
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: was getting him close. They were getting closed. They just

548
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: couldn't get over to home.

549
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: And so if you're sa Kuon Barkley, you're looking at

550
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: this going man, I could just keep stacking up, you know,

551
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred yard seasons for as long as my body

552
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: can do it, or you know, a thousand yard season,

553
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: just keep you know, putting the stats together. To your

554
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: point on him being said, which is why you go

555
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: back to the decision by the Giants not to retain

556
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: him even though he wanted to be there.

557
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: He said it.

558
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: He fits the bill of everything you would want to build.

559
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: Around with your organization.

560
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: You drafted him, he had success.

561
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: He's a good dude.

562
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: He represents the organization well, and you let him walk

563
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: it to.

564
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: Your our tribal and I'm going to have trouble sleeping

565
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: if one of our most beloved and well liked players

566
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: goes to Philly.

567
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 6: So.

568
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: And he did.

569
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and he won a Super Bowl.

570
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he should have been the MVP. And if

571
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: you compare stats to him and his historic run, let

572
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: this past season to Eric Dickerson's historic run when he

573
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: broke the record, it's I think sa Quon had a

574
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: better season. Man. He didn't have more he didn't have

575
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: more rushing yards. But I think if you look at

576
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: the comparisons of what their numbers were down the line,

577
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: like I think I think Eric Dickerson had like eleven

578
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: or thirteen fumbles that year, like Saquan had like two

579
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: or three, you know what I mean. Like that was

580
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: the most glaring of the stats. And I you know,

581
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: I love ed to death, so I ain't I ain't

582
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: gonna say too much more on that, But Sakwon Barkley

583
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: may have solidified a Hall of Fame campaign in one season. Yeah,

584
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 3: the one season.

585
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: It's and unfortunately it's one of those moves. Like Seth Greenberg,

586
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: who's the college basketball analyst for ESPN, he coached at

587
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. What he's going to be known for in

588
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: his coaching career is the fact that he didn't offer

589
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: Steph Curry a scholarship, even though Steph Curry's dad went

590
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: to Virginia Tech. Joe Shane, the GM of the Giants,

591
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: is going to be known.

592
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: For the fact that he lets sa Quon Barkley walk.

593
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: And what made it worse is that as you pointed

594
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: out Jones and paid Daniel Jones, and on top of that,

595
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: it was featured one like we got to see it

596
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: all on time.

597
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: We got to see it. Man. That's that's the worst part.

598
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: And at least the owner gets to say, dang, like

599
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: I really said it, like I really like, how do

600
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: you move forward with positive trust in the person making

601
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: decisions for you at the GM position when you knew

602
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: in your gut this is the wrong decision. Just pay

603
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: the man and let's move on. Sad thing about it

604
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: is this is how this plays out, Jonas, and it

605
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: plays out way too often. More often than not, the

606
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 3: owner does break down and pay that player. But he

607
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: was getting tore out the frame because they didn't have

608
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: the type of players that they have in Philadelphia. So

609
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: you would have saw Saquon continue to work his ass

610
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: off the other teams beat the hell out of him

611
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: because that's really all they had and their quarterback wasn't

612
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: doing as for them to pull the defenses off of Saquon,

613
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: he would have probably kept getting injured and you know what,

614
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: he would have dead Jonas retire early. It would have

615
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: taken It's like Verry sad.

616
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: Yes, and it would have taken him two years to

617
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: accomplish what he did in Philly in one year. From

618
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: a yard you would endpoint. From a production standpoint, yeah,

619
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: you would have never had the comps. Like, it's crazy

620
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: how that exposes.

621
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: The comp right, Like in terms of when a really

622
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: really gifted player goes to a wasteland of an organization

623
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 3: and people are like, oh, he's a bus. You're a bus.

624
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: You're a bus. He's a bus, You're a bus. You're

625
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: just mad that you didn't have a great career, la

626
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: la lah lah lah lah. Like the point is is

627
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: that more often than not, if you're as gifted and

628
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: as talented as Saquon Barkley is, you're going to a

629
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: crappy organization. You don't get to choose. So if he were,

630
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: if this was like college and you get recruited and

631
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: it's like yeah, I'm gonna take visits here, here, here,

632
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: and here I'm gonna go play for this team. I'm

633
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: gonna go play for that team. Imagine if Saquon Barkley

634
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: was able to choose what team he was going to

635
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: play for and he goes to the Kansas City Chiefs

636
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: or he goes to the Baltimore Ravens. Like, that's not

637
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: how it works. So you're up, You're You're at the

638
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: expense of whatever organization is going to take you, like

639
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: cam Ward this year, like you got to go to

640
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: a seller dweller team and on a bad team, you

641
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: got to be the one that makes it better. I

642
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: just I'm happy that for once, justice was served in

643
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: the right way, where a guy gets out of a

644
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: crappy situation and goes into an ideal situation and it

645
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: actually played out the way that it was supposed to

646
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: play out. I'm loving the fact that Sakwon Barkley represents

647
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: the comp of what so many of us have had

648
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: to deal with and have to live with in our lives.

649
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Speaker 3: That he was able to show that it does indeed

650
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Speaker 3: make a difference where you go and who you're playing for.

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Speaker 2: He is the great Petro Spopaegas. He is the co

655
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Speaker 2: host of the Petros and Money Show, which you can

656
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Speaker 2: hear on the Blowtorch AM five to seven, the LA

657
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Speaker 2: Sports Fox College football Analysts, and you can get him

658
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Speaker 2: on X at the Old p P.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, how are we feeling?

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Speaker 6: Good morning, guys, Good morning, great to hear from everybody. Hello, Hello, Hello.

661
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Speaker 2: So Petro's another walk off win for the LA Dodgers

662
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Speaker 2: last night.

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Speaker 6: Well, last night, you know, they didn't walk it off.

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Speaker 6: They were at home and they lost. It's hard to

665
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Speaker 6: walk it off on the road.

666
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Speaker 3: What do you mean, It's.

667
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Speaker 6: Just really hard to walk it off on the road.

668
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying yeah, but they walked it off last

669
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Speaker 2: night last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It just reminds me of a question that a reporter

672
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Speaker 6: asked Dave Roberts. Oh years, what's the question they asked

673
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Speaker 6: Dave Roberts because it was after like another Dodger walk

674
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Speaker 6: off and they were having a real exciting season. I

675
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 6: think this year's Dodger team is really a droit at

676
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Speaker 6: coming back in games that they were down and They

677
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Speaker 6: almost in it two nights ago against the Mets, who

678
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 6: are in town with Juan Soto who's not doing his

679
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 6: special dance because he's bummed out in his family. He's

680
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 6: like Freddie Freeman when he left Atlanta. He's like super

681
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 6: bummed out. But anyway, yeah, it's uh, what were we

682
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Speaker 6: talking about?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 6: This guy asked Dave Roberts, like, Hey, how come all

685
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Speaker 6: your walk offs are at home? Is there something about

686
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 6: this home crowd that really gets you going? That really

687
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 6: gets his team going? And Dave Roberts had a very

688
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Speaker 6: nice answer. He said, well, he's very difficult to walk

689
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Speaker 6: it off on the road.

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Speaker 3: So who asked the question best?

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Speaker 6: I don't remember. It was something No, it was like

692
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Speaker 6: a younger reporter, so everybody was trying to be cool

693
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Speaker 6: about it. It wasn't like a kid though, But yeah,

694
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Speaker 6: you can't walk it off on the road. Dodgers are

695
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Speaker 6: at home and they walked it off last night against

696
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Speaker 6: the Mets and show spectacular. He's still not pitching. They

697
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Speaker 6: have a lot of bullpen problems. They paid Tanner Scott,

698
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Speaker 6: this guy who was supposed to be like a baseball assassin,

699
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Speaker 6: as the number one closer, and I think He's already

700
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 6: blown six saves and it's early June, so that's a problem.

701
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Speaker 6: They have some bullpen issues, but the Dodger problems are

702
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 6: first world problems. They're doing quite well, and they won

703
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Speaker 6: last night against the Mets, and I did stay up

704
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Speaker 6: to watch it. Hell yeah, which is why I forgot

705
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Speaker 6: my points. Short term memory loss from.

706
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Speaker 2: Blackout from a bull in the ring back in the day.

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Speaker 6: Well that yeah, that too. I've aggravated a lot of

708
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Speaker 6: old football injuries every time somebody just taps my forehead

709
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Speaker 6: with a pencil.

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Speaker 3: Damn. Speaking of bull in the ring, Petros, how many

711
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Speaker 3: like when you played how many different locker rooms did

712
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Speaker 3: you play in? In terms of like I guess, high level,

713
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Speaker 3: like whether it was did you have the same coach

714
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Speaker 3: the entire time when you were he was okay, so

715
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Speaker 3: you had a different coach. Now.

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Speaker 6: When I arrived at SC, it was John Robinson, and

717
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Speaker 6: then Paul Hackett took over Paul Hackett, and then it

718
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 6: was Pete Carroll, who I did not play for. A

719
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 6: lot of the guys I played for played for Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 6: And the year two thousand and one was Pete Carroll's

721
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Speaker 6: first year, and that was my first year in the media,

722
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Speaker 6: and I kind of got to know Pete and USC

723
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 6: took off and Pete Carroll took off, and I kind

724
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Speaker 6: of was hanging on for the ride, starting out doing

725
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Speaker 6: radio and TV here in town. So that's kind of

726
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Speaker 6: my story. But it is interesting, you know because back

727
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 6: in my time and our time, I should say that

728
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Speaker 6: when there was a coaching change, which I don't believe

729
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Speaker 6: you experienced at the college level, I did not know

730
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Speaker 6: spring football was a bloodbath like spring football, you know,

731
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Speaker 6: where we really put on pads and really got after

732
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Speaker 6: each other and really had like thirty to forty play

733
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Speaker 6: run drills every day. That was like you have to

734
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Speaker 6: show out for the new coaching staff. One thing that

735
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Speaker 6: was very interesting that a lot of people didn't realize

736
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Speaker 6: and maybe they don't realize it now, was that Ed

737
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Speaker 6: Ojeron was on the Paul Hackett staff. He was not

738
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Speaker 6: hired by Pete Carrell. Well, he was re hired by

739
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Speaker 6: Pete Carroll, but he was already at SC when Pete

740
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Speaker 6: Carroll took over and had that very important piece already

741
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 6: in his defensive room. But yeah, that was my experience.

742
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 6: I was in kind of two different locker rooms. John

743
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 6: Robinson a much more player friendly coach.

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Speaker 3: I guess you'd say.

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Speaker 6: With a lot more lenient, especially with star players. Paul Hackett,

746
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Speaker 6: on the other hand, miss a class, get up at

747
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Speaker 6: five in the morning and roll like a long to

748
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 6: you barf kind of coach. Well, you know, both of

749
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 6: those coaching styles have their benefits.

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Speaker 3: Well, so that's why I was I was asking in

751
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Speaker 3: terms of culture speaking because again I don't feel like

752
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Speaker 3: in a lot of ways the regular workforce people tend

753
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: to look at how an employer versus an employee, what

754
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: that relationship looks like, and the dynamic of it, and

755
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 3: how the culture plays a part. And while I say

756
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Speaker 3: in regular society, culture in the business place is everything,

757
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 3: but it's different than the culture being everything. And sports,

758
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Speaker 3: especially at higher levels college pro, it's it's very the

759
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: culture has to have a very unique mix and the

760
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Speaker 3: blend of like what the respect factor is, the understanding

761
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Speaker 3: of what the coach wants versus what the collective feelings

762
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Speaker 3: of what the players want. We just saw Tim Thibodeau,

763
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Speaker 3: you know, get get fired from Tom. Tom, Yeah, Tom,

764
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Speaker 3: get fired from the mix.

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Speaker 6: The Christian better looking version of Tom Thibodeau. Tim Tibadeau.

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Speaker 3: Tim Tibadeau, Yeah, you like that. That's funny, my bet. Anyway,

767
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Speaker 3: It's interesting because I'm curious. I feel like when you

768
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Speaker 3: have players that love the coach, which it seems like

769
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: all the players are really into Thibodeaux and they yet

770
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Speaker 3: they get rid of them. You know, how does that

771
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: play a part? Because when you have a coaching change,

772
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Speaker 3: just like you got to impress the coaches, like you said,

773
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Speaker 3: in those practices, those coaches have to impress the players

774
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Speaker 3: as well, because there has to be a belief in winning.

775
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: Like what's your what's your kind of you know, your

776
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Speaker 3: perspective on culture.

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Speaker 6: When I played college football, as you know, there was

778
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 6: not the same kind of boundary yeah today right like

779
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 6: we we we couldn't go anywhere if I transferred in

780
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 6: college football, and that was a terrible stigma that I

781
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 6: still carry today that I signed a letter of intent

782
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 6: and wasn't able to complete it, wasn't able to honor

783
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 6: the contract. And that bothers me. It really does. But

784
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 6: it's a very different it's a very different time in

785
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 6: college and pro athletics. That being said, the dynamics of

786
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 6: a pro basketball team is hard for me to understand.

787
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 6: I mean, we're talking about guys that have really, really

788
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 6: proven it at the highest level. I mean, it's one

789
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 6: thing to make an NFL team. It's one thing to

790
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 6: make an MLB Baseball team or have a cup of

791
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 6: coffee in the major leagues. It's a whole other thing

792
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 6: to make an NBA team consistently. I mean, because there's

793
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 6: so few guys, so that dynamic has always been fascinating,

794
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 6: and it's very difficult, I think, to be a head

795
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 6: coach at any level of any kind of sport. But

796
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 6: the NBA has got to be the toughest because and

797
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 6: you know, football is like this now too. It didn't

798
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 6: really used to be when we were younger, and everybody

799
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 6: had the same football coach who looked a hundred years

800
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 6: old for like fifteen years, thirty years yea, yeah, Chuck Knock,

801
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 6: Bud Grant, Yeah, you know, Chuck Nole, Marv Levy. You know,

802
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 6: it goes on and on. All the coaches kind of

803
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 6: look like that. And now the coaches are the first

804
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 6: guy on the chopping block, unless you know John Harbaugh

805
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 6: or Jim Harbaugh or somebody more celebrated like that, Generally

806
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 6: your coach is the first guy to get fired at

807
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 6: the NFL or NBA level, and it proved out with

808
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 6: the Tim Tebadeaux situation even though he ran a sweet option.

809
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 6: Tom Thibodeau known as a great defensive coach and a

810
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 6: lot of people love him. I think the X factor

811
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Speaker 6: with the Knick situation that I'm not super familiar with

812
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 6: other than the fact that you know, I watched all

813
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 6: the New Yorkers freak out in the NBA freak out

814
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 6: hoping that the Knicks were going to make it into

815
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 6: the final and they could play the concrete Jungle where

816
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 6: dreams were made of song over and over and over

817
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 6: again until your brain MUSHes and bleeds out of your ears.

818
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 6: But I think it's a more a more delicate situation. Also,

819
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Speaker 6: their owner is like a legit crazy man JB in

820
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Speaker 6: the Straight jd in the Straight Shot, Jim Dolan. That's

821
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Speaker 6: the name of his sweet ass band, his blues band,

822
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Speaker 6: where he hired like a bunch of really really famous

823
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 6: or reputable studio musicians and tours around with him like

824
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 6: he belongs on stage. So it's a whole it's a

825
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 6: whole wild situation. But look, I mean, but you look

826
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Speaker 6: at like Mi Alma mater and these and these different

827
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Speaker 6: stories that are unfolding over the years in modern sports,

828
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Speaker 6: and at USC it's like they'd fire Lincoln Riley if

829
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Speaker 6: he didn't have such a big buyout and and at

830
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 6: a certain point the money does matter, and maybe not

831
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 6: for JD in the straight shop. But I don't know,

832
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Speaker 6: I don't know what direction you go in from there,

833
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 6: like who you hire from there to to ignite the team.

834
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 6: Was it Thibodeau that was really fueling their success or

835
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 6: was he holding them back and holding back their star players?

836
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 6: Obviously somebody thought that. But a sad situation for the

837
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Speaker 6: guy with not a lot of hair who kind of looks.

838
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Speaker 3: Like the penguin.

839
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Speaker 6: Uh.

840
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Speaker 3: Petros Pamadegus joined us.

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Speaker 6: I've been compared to the penguin in the past too, Jonas.

842
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Speaker 3: Look, I don't think so. I would.

843
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Speaker 2: I would disagree with that comparison.

844
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Speaker 6: I mean, how many times do you say that Fox

845
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Speaker 6: Sports Radio, Jonas. I know I'm on the radio right.

846
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Speaker 2: I am resetting it for them, trying to be a

847
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Speaker 2: broadcast professional. But it is when you mentioned sort of

848
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Speaker 2: what direction you go in here, and was it Tom

849
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: Thibodeau's fault and all that that's why whenever there.

850
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Speaker 6: Was people that call them TIBs like they're friends with him. Yeah, like, oh,

851
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 6: you know how TIBs is, It's like, you know what, Actually, no,

852
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Speaker 6: I don't.

853
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Speaker 3: I don't not at all.

854
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Speaker 6: I live on another.

855
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Speaker 3: Side of a little bit.

856
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's like we've even been in Madison, scar it's

857
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: like golf blowhards who called the golfers by the first name.

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00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 6: Hey, Scotty.

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Speaker 2: Do you see what Scotty did on the seventeen? No,

860
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: what a douche do on the seventeenth. But when that's

861
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Speaker 2: why whenever the conversation was being had about Dave Roberts

862
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Speaker 2: when the Dodgers would come off short in the postseason,

863
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: and it was like, well, Dave Roberts should be fired,

864
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: And my thought on it.

865
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: The whole time was, yeah, but is he the one that's,

866
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: you know.

867
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: Going one for eighteen like Mookie Bets and Freddie Freeman

868
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: in the playoffs?

869
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: Is that him? Like at some point, don't players up

870
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: here accountable?

871
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 6: But you can't get rid of those guys, right, you

872
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 6: can get rid of Dave Roberts and it's cheaper, and

873
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 6: it's even worse. I mean, I've seen this over the

874
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 6: years and you can track it. There's like baseball or

875
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 6: football franchises that aren't doing well and they don't really

876
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 6: know what to do to make a change, so they

877
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 6: like fire the play by play guy. That happened to

878
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 6: Steve PHISIOK, with the Angels, I mean that really, yeah,

879
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 6: I mean that, you know that, well, let's change it up,

880
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 6: will fire the play by play guy. And it's like,

881
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 6: you know, obviously it has to be somebody that I

882
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 6: don't know, maybe they don't care as much about. That's

883
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 6: not fair to say about Steve because he's such a

884
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 6: wonderful guy.

885
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say Roger Lodge.

886
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I mean sometimes they pull the trigger

887
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 6: on a guy's just just for a breath of fresh

888
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 6: air because the team's not doing well and that guy

889
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 6: has nothing to do with the lack of success of

890
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 6: the team, but the other people are getting paid too

891
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 6: much to touch them. Same situation with the USC and

892
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 6: the GM. You know, they can't fire the head coach,

893
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 6: but they made him fire his good old boy bff

894
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 6: who was the GM at USC that wasn't really doing

895
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 6: GM work, and they went and hired a real GM,

896
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 6: and now that's their big talking point for the offseason

897
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 6: and a recruiting class that may or may not come

898
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty six. I'm sorry to keep harkening back

899
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 6: to USC but you did ask me about the culture

900
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 6: cheages when I was there, so it's always it's always

901
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 6: a unique situation. It's always interesting. The chemistry of a

902
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 6: team is one of the more complex things. I mean,

903
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 6: just going back to thinking about how you prepare for

904
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 6: a bowl game at the college level with young people.

905
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 6: After you've been playing weekly for months and months, suddenly

906
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 6: you're not playing games and you have to find a

907
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 6: way to play your best game after not playing for

908
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 6: two or three weeks or four weeks in some occasions.

909
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 6: That's crazy too, Like the chemistry of a football team

910
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 6: is a mystery that cannot be solved by the wisest

911
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 6: scientists that ever lived. Basketball, where there's fewer people. You know,

912
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 6: maybe you do pull one little string and things change.

913
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 6: But I think anybody trusting Jim Dolan and his Blues

914
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 6: Band to make the right decision with his basketball team,

915
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 6: one of the most recognized franchises in the history of sport,

916
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 6: is I mean, very in trouble.

917
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: I would say my last question for you I know

918
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: we're up against the breaker last. I mean, you know

919
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: it is what it is. We just do radio you

920
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: we you mentioned.

921
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 6: He got it.

922
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: I could dig it.

923
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Bro.

924
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 3: You guys have a top five recruiting class for twenty

925
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: six right now.

926
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see them freshman in twenty twenty six.

927
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned if you know, if the coach

928
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: is still there, do you think he will survive to

929
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 3: see the top five class come in? And do you

930
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: think that maybe it is just he just needs a

931
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: little bit more time, because I mean that that's a

932
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: very highly you know, that's a highly rated I think

933
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: five I saw was what they were, were rated four

934
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 3: or five. I mean, that's that's a pretty high high

935
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: mark in today's recruiting. Uh, you know, climate it's very

936
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: difficult to get in the top five where we are

937
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 3: right now in the NIL space.

938
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 6: It's something, Yeah, it is something to consider. But I

939
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 6: would I would rebut by asking you this in today's

940
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 6: day and age, with NIL being what it is, and

941
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 6: the transfer portal being wide open, and teams being generally

942
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 6: older because of that, and we see it in college

943
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 6: basketball too, how many freshmen do you think can contribute

944
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 6: even on a normal team, even on a team like

945
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 6: you and I would have played on back in the day.

946
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 6: Like even if you have a great recruiting class, so

947
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 6: maybe question, maybe two or three of those guys help

948
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 6: you that year, maybe seven.

949
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: Or that's what. But when'd you say that's why having

950
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 3: such a highly recruited class is all that really matters.

951
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 6: It's really it's a stalling technique for pr because you

952
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 6: don't really know if they're coming or not. I mean,

953
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 6: they're just.

954
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: Verbally that's true, that's true.

955
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 6: I mean that's like saying, this girl said she was

956
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 6: going to go to the problem with me next year.

957
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 6: I can't wait. You know, women are fickle, and so

958
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 6: are college football players.

959
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: I would say they look at the stars, which I

960
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: don't know how much people should put into how many

961
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: stars a guy has, but that is what these these

962
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: universities do as well, I would say, to the point

963
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: of older guys being taken into portal and transfers that way.

964
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 3: I still think that when you see a four star,

965
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 3: five star come into your program, they have the opportunity

966
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 3: to make an immediate impact.

967
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, you know, you know they're supposed to.

968
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 6: And if they don't make it usually if they don't

969
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 6: make an immediate impact, if they're that big of a recruit,

970
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 6: usually you find them in.

971
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 3: The transfer portal into portal.

972
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 6: A little bit later. And we've seen a lot of

973
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 6: that too. I would say this LeVar to answer all

974
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 6: of it. I think us he's finally doing, recruiting wise,

975
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 6: what they should have been doing for years under Lincoln

976
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 6: Riley or Clay Helton or anybody, which is build a

977
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 6: very very serious and very very formidable fence around the area,

978
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 6: recruit it and live and die with it. And that's

979
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 6: what the new GM, Chad Boden that they hired was

980
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 6: kind of tasked to do. I don't have faith in

981
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 6: Lincoln Riley's ability to develop those guys anyway. He hasn't

982
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 6: proven it to me and I've not seen it so

983
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 6: and I don't know if they're coming. It's just if

984
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 6: us he's standing on the twenty twenty six recruiting class

985
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 6: for hey, don't worry about us, then they're standing on

986
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 6: jello in my opinion. But it's better than not having

987
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 6: a great twenty twenty six recruiting class, I suppose. But

988
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 6: it is something like people stop me in the street

989
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 6: and they're like can you believe this class right, you

990
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 6: know in twenty twenty six that may or may not

991
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 6: come that could you know half of them could verbally

992
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 6: decommit when one of them goes sure, but you're standing

993
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 6: on You're standing on Jello. I did find some interesting

994
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 6: fact that I came across the other day in regards

995
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 6: to the Knicks that I think you guys might enjoy.

996
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, are you ready?

997
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

998
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 6: Do you know the etymology of the name Knickerbocker?

999
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: N We did, no, No, well, yes we do. It

1000
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: was they said it was something about like clothing or

1001
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 3: something like that.

1002
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, yes, you're right. It's because of the way

1003
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 6: that Yeah, we talked about it the other week. Yeah,

1004
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 6: the pants style. But the reason that came out, the

1005
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 6: reason that word became popular was Washington Irving, who's a

1006
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 6: really famous writer and the guy that really kind of

1007
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 6: wrote and put New York on the map as a writer,

1008
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 6: same guy that wrote Sleepy Hollow, you know, with Thinkabod

1009
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 6: Crane and the Headless Horse. Yeah, Washington Irving wrote a

1010
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 6: very very significant book called The History of New York,

1011
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 6: which he wrote under a pseudonym of a guy named

1012
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 6: Dietrich Knickerbocker. Which is popularized. The name knickerbocker used to

1013
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 6: be the way that a Dutch guy would dress, you know,

1014
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 6: with his pants way up walking around New York and

1015
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 6: a lot of Dutch immigrants there in that time, and

1016
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 6: that's how they would wear their pants, so they got

1017
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 6: called knickerbocker's. And then this guy wrote the History of

1018
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 6: New York with the with the Dietrich Knickerbocker name, and

1019
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 6: that popularized the name knickerbocker in relation to New York

1020
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 6: and anybody from New York after a while, no matter

1021
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 6: how you wore your pants, cross colors, Ze Cavariici's, those

1022
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 6: tight jeans, skinny jeans, you're you're a knickerbocker regardless. Now,

1023
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 6: Damn Washington.

1024
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: Irving and all these years later Tracy Morgan throwing up

1025
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: on the floor there.

1026
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 6: At mass right that all these years later, Kylie Jenner

1027
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 6: swallowing Timothy Shaumet's little pebble head.

1028
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: By the way, how big, how big is Timothy Champagne

1029
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: or whatever that guy's name is.

1030
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 3: How big is he's? Is he smaller than her? Is

1031
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: he shorter than.

1032
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's a big horse. And I think she just

1033
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 6: mounts him and just rides him into oblivion.

1034
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: Right, the Belmont Stakes. You're supposed to ride the.

1035
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 6: Longer race too. You know she's been with a lot

1036
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 6: of guys. There's an extra furlong in that race.

1037
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: Could you imagine a horse ride Jackie and he's like

1038
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,959
Speaker 3: a little jockey.

1039
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 6: He's like, he's like, he's like shoemaker. He jumps on

1040
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 6: that big boy, Bob.

1041
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: Baff got her, got her on the gas like she's

1042
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: a wash the milkshake.

1043
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 6: Yes, Larry David's ground.

1044
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Petros, we appreciate it.

1045
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: You can get him on the old p He's the

1046
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: cost of the Petros Money Show, which you can hear

1047
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: on at the Blow or a M. Five seventy l

1048
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: a sports later on this afternoon, also a Fox College

1049
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: football analyst and a Wednesday tradition here on the show.

1050
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 6: We are so listen. Yeah, you know.

1051
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: You start, you start with the Dodgers, you end with

1052
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: Kylie Jenner as a as a horse. That's how goes

1053
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: bar So we do here a whole damn all right

1054
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: coming up next here though, on two Crows and a

1055
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: Cup of Joe