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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and My buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this is.

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Speaker 2: Paul Anka and my name is Skip Bronson. We've been

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Speaker 2: friends for decades and we've decided to let you in

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Speaker 2: on our late night phone calls by starting a new podcast.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet

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Speaker 1: some real good friends of.

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Speaker 2: Books, your leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a sitting

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Speaker 1: president or two.

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Speaker 2: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 2: asked before, Tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 2: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 2: Hey, skip it? Hey, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: How you do buddy?

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Speaker 3: We got Bublet coming up.

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Speaker 4: We got to talk about what we're gonna you know,

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Speaker 4: what we're gonna say to him?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I want to ask him, like, you know, young people

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Speaker 4: they go into rock and roll, why would he want

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Speaker 4: to get into like the great American songbooks, I mean,

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Speaker 4: instead of rock and roll, which would be pretty much

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Speaker 4: a natural right.

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Speaker 5: Did you see him on television the other night when

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Speaker 5: he did the Barry Gets.

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Speaker 4: And did at the Kennedy Center Honors that we had

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Speaker 4: an assassic. Yeah, he's saying, how can you mend a

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Speaker 4: broken Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And they kept panning.

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Speaker 4: Over to Barry Gibb, and Barry Gibb literally had tears

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Speaker 4: in his eyes, and the audience.

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Speaker 2: Was I was.

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Speaker 3: They looked like they were stunned.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he just totally nailed it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's good. His grandpa and his father weaned him

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Speaker 5: on it. Because when I first met him and got

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Speaker 5: involved with him and was part of the first album,

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Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera, I knew right away that this

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Speaker 5: kid was going to take a piece of that end

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Speaker 5: of the music business. And he had doors, the rat

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Speaker 5: pack and all that stuff. We talked for days. When

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Speaker 5: we hung out, it was at my home, and you

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Speaker 5: know he lived he he was.

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Speaker 1: It was an Elephantzgerald's house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I live in Elphant. I live in That's that's

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Speaker 3: your house.

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Speaker 2: Right Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Because he loves el Fitzgerald. So you got to hit

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Speaker 5: him up on that.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing because you talk to a lot of these

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Speaker 4: top singers and you asked what made Ellen's so great,

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Speaker 4: and they say she hit the center of every note.

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Speaker 3: And she was really something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The board.

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Speaker 4: By the way, when you're talking about the rat pack,

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Speaker 4: I mean the fact that you were in the steam

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Speaker 4: room with Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and those guys. I

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Speaker 4: mean you got to talk about that because you.

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Speaker 1: Left one let you left one word out.

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Speaker 5: Honey, I was in the steam room and they were nude,

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Speaker 5: talk about having trouble with eye contact, right, and they

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Speaker 5: were twice my age. And I'm walking into these guys

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Speaker 5: could tell you who won the hung department.

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Speaker 6: That would be very very cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you told me he's in the bourbon business,

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Speaker 4: and you know, as you know, I have a bourbon business.

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Speaker 3: Yes, guys, so I.

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Speaker 1: Want to go about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to hear how he got into the business,

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Speaker 4: how they're doing, you know whatever.

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Speaker 2: So that'd be that'll be funn.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I introduced to to Larry Ruvo, who who

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Speaker 5: put him in that scene, and he's very excited about it.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, you're so successful with yours, So you guys

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Speaker 5: have to rap about that. But you you, I'll bring

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Speaker 5: it up and then you can go it. Okay, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that'd be perfect, perfect because he's cool, he's a real

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Speaker 5: nice guy, easy to talk to, and he'll love him.

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Speaker 5: He's been a good family man. He's a good good

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Speaker 1: Got a great family.

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Speaker 3: And he loves he loves hockey. I mean, there's so

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Speaker 2: Not a one trick pony.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's so many things you know that he

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Speaker 5: Can Yeah, and you know, I know him right from

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Speaker 5: the beginning. I think the second month in when he

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Speaker 5: was still scuffling and recording, I loaned him five thousand

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Speaker 5: last installment two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing after ten years.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, all right, so looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: I think we're on for tomorrow afternoon. I've got the

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Speaker 1: notes we talked about, great and we'll we'll hit him

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Speaker 1: up on that.

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Speaker 5: See what's going on in his life.

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Speaker 2: You've done all right?

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Speaker 5: Love you love your sleepwarm, sleepwarm shout che By the way, right,

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Speaker 5: how are you?

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Speaker 3: Jordan? Who's here with us? We got Jordan and Skip.

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Speaker 1: Richard, Skip Bronson sale over, my buddy Booblay and my

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Speaker 1: buddy Skip and you got Jordan, and you know me.

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Speaker 1: You've had me for how many years?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Can you believe we've known each other since so far?

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Speaker 3: Twenty over twenty one years?

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Speaker 2: Dude?

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine? You know my claim to fame with him?

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Speaker 1: I loved him so much. He needed rent money? Remember that?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I gave him five gunny.

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Speaker 3: He just paid me off. I forgot that last week, Jay, God,

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Speaker 3: so much happened, Paul, you did that time? I got

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Speaker 3: a scary time, buddy.

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Speaker 1: We used to play hockey.

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Speaker 3: And I remember five grand because I made a deposit

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Speaker 3: to stay on West Hollywood, this apartment in West Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: And you know what's even crazier. I didn't have a bed.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have a bed bed, No, sir, I did not.

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Speaker 3: I would.

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Speaker 1: I started unting around. I know you were laying on

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Speaker 3: They all loved you. I thought I went to like

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Speaker 3: this blue blow up mattress kind of thing. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was horrible, but you know what, he horrible, But the

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Speaker 3: was like, Wow, I'm in Hollywood. You know I'm doing this?

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Speaker 1: He were he was so let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Along with his talent, he was so humble and open

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Speaker 1: it wasn't easy. You know, it wasn't easy for him

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Speaker 1: or me started that young. But Michael was in there

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Speaker 1: and we did everything. Hey, Michael was telling the story

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Speaker 1: about when we were looking for money to do the

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Speaker 1: album and I got the guy that made boxes, remember

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Speaker 1: the guy in Australia, And I got five hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: to make the album because he believed like Foster and

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Speaker 1: I believed. And then things just went from there into Warners.

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Speaker 1: I've never spoken to the guy since. I think he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because that because that was the deal went away.

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Speaker 3: You know, funny, we've never talked about it. Why are we?

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Speaker 3: Why have we had it? How it went away.

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Speaker 1: Because we went to Warners we had no money.

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Speaker 3: But that's not what happened.

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Speaker 1: Oh what happened?

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Speaker 3: I know because you're because you're busy and you're living

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Speaker 3: a life where you're you're, you're, you're doing a million

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Speaker 3: different things. Yeah, so what happened is we I had

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Speaker 3: this sweet Indian guy came up with the money and

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Speaker 3: came to Foster, and because Foster didn't want to do it,

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Speaker 3: he he was. He just kept saying, I'm never going

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Speaker 3: the label. He's over and over again he kept saying it. So, uh,

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Speaker 3: finally I said, okay, well, you know, we kept driving

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Speaker 3: him nuts. Bav kept saying, well, what does it take,

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Speaker 1: Give us?

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Speaker 3: So what is the thing?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: And he said and finally he got pissed off. He said, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know what, it takes a grand a song? Okay,

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Speaker 3: six songs, and he says, and I'll do the demos,

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Speaker 3: but then Warner would get right of her first ride

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Speaker 3: So he came and we showed up to Malibu. Remember

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Speaker 3: David's that place in Malibu. We had the upstairs with

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Speaker 3: here's the money. We got the money. And he said, oh,

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Speaker 3: he's got to do it, you know. So he goes, okay,

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Speaker 3: so we'll do this. And then we went to Vegas

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Speaker 3: and I was opening for Jay Leno, and I remember

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Speaker 3: that I got that night. I had had quite a

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Speaker 3: come to my villa tomorrow morning because I'm I got

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Speaker 3: Paul Ank, you know, like I like you to meet him.

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Speaker 3: Holy shit, Paul Ank? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: And I was loaded, okay, Pall. I'd spend all night

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Speaker 3: And I was so nervous. And so we came into

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Speaker 3: the the his villa and you were wearing a house coat,

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Speaker 3: with me. And uh David went to the concierge guy

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Speaker 3: a piano and he sat down at the piano and

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Speaker 3: he said, what should we do?

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Speaker 1: And you said, well, how about my way?

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Speaker 3: And so he sat down and as usual, the guy

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Speaker 3: the greatest goddamn piano player in the world.

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Speaker 1: And you didn't know, how do.

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Speaker 3: I play this?

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Speaker 1: How what is this?

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Speaker 3: And uh? And I went and no end isn't here,

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Speaker 3: and I sang, and you stopped me and you said, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's enough.

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Speaker 1: I'm in.

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Speaker 3: He said, I'm in, I'm in. What do you need?

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Speaker 3: And David said, we need about one some eight hundred

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Speaker 3: grand were one point two million to make this thing?

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Speaker 3: And I remember bab Delis at the time just bawling,

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Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing with a stick. Let me

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Speaker 3: you know what, Paul just doing this. I was just

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Speaker 1: People watching you, people watching your performance, ego, fear insecurity,

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Speaker 1: I just want to know what whiskey other than your own?

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Speaker 3: I mean that you're talking about other whiskeys?

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Speaker 1: We were selling out there. Man. You can't selling out

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Speaker 3: I went. I took my family to their Christmas party.

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Speaker 3: kept saying to my wife, you know, I really like Elias,

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00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 3: you know, or Elias.

441
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: I do you want to call Elias?

442
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 3: And she kept saying Elijah. I like Elijah. And it's

443
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 3: one of the few times that I ever really sort

444
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: of stuck to my guns and thought, can I please

445
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 3: have this one? Can I have Elias? So it's it's interesting,

446
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: you know. The whiskey thing for me was it was

447
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 3: it just came out of nowhere. It was about me

448
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: and my wife. We had we had bought, we'd become

449
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 3: a part owner of this little this really wonderful boutique

450
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: distillery in Montreal called Circa and and we just did

451
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: it because we thought it'll be fun. You know what

452
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: a cool thing for a husband and wife to do.

453
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: Is in a partnership.

454
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 3: And and then I I, you know, as you know,

455
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: Paul Larry Ruvel.

456
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: Uh, he's a friend was the reason.

457
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's what and what a beautiful dude. And he

458
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: said to me because we called him and said, you know,

459
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 3: any advice, like, we don't know what we're doing, and

460
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: you know, we don't expect you know, we just you know, what,

461
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 3: what do you do with this little boutique, this wonderful thing.

462
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: And and he's the one who said, I think you

463
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: go and talk to Shelley Stein in New York. And

464
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: Shelley was the head of West Brands and UH, and

465
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: we became partners and UH and then heaven Hill for

466
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: the first time in over one hundred years the family

467
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 3: is the first time they've ever worked ever an outside Brandon.

468
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: They started to help help us make a whiskey from

469
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: Kentucky and and and partly from this distillery in UH

470
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 3: in Montreal, and so very quickly I started to see

471
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: that it was becoming what it was becoming even though

472
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: it never you know, it didn't start that way. But

473
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: at this point it's been a lot of fun. Skip,

474
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: it's been a lot of fun and having so much

475
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 3: fun man. And you know what doing the going out

476
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 3: and meeting you know, I like people, so it's an

477
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: easy thing for me to go and meet meet the buyers,

478
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, meet you know, meet der

479
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 3: bar owners, meet restaurant tours. Because I like it. Man,

480
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 3: I doant to have a drink with everybody, and I

481
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: you know, it's easy.

482
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm happy I yan killed you to Larry because I

483
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: knew he'd be big in your life and Larry would

484
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: be there.

485
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 3: For well Larry. Now Larry owns part of the company.

486
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: He's with me there.

487
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: And when I introduced you to him, I said, this

488
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: is these are two guys that should know each other.

489
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: He's a great guy, do you know, I think the

490
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: great Do you remember Paul the story of us too, when.

491
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: You did the when I you did his charity.

492
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, very much. Sure for the charity.

493
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you at the end of the story

494
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: because Michael won't. Because I said, Michael, you've got to

495
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: really meet this guy. And I think Michael's manager, Bruce

496
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: was moving to Vegas. The short of it is, he

497
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: hires Michael to do his amazing Alzheimer charity every year.

498
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he's so dedicated to it. Anyway, Michael shows up,

499
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: hits the home run that he always does, and at

500
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: the end of it, Michael Boublay gave him back the

501
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: check that he had given him. He gave Rubo back

502
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: the check for his charity. That's my boy, man, It was,

503
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: it was. It was really moving, man.

504
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: And to see how it affected his family and you

505
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: know how karma, how crazy is karma?

506
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: Where I don't address believe.

507
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: Me, but dude, who knew that years after that, not

508
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: long after that, my grandmother would be diagnosed with dementia

509
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: and it would literally change the whole I mean, it

510
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: would just change our family completely, the whole dynamic of

511
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: our family. And you know, I just I watched my mom.

512
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: My mom is a great my mom is a great daughter,

513
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: and I watched my mother give up ten years of

514
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: her life in dedication to her mom, and it just

515
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: you know, and it made me even happier that I

516
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 3: had had that relationship with Larry, because he's got an

517
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 3: incredible foundation he's got one of the biggest you know,

518
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 3: he's got.

519
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: That center in Vegas, which is just unbelievable.

520
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: And as a matter of fact, you know, Paul, I

521
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: just did a movie.

522
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: I just did the Uh.

523
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just did a movie about Alzheimer's. I was

524
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: I was the.

525
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: Commission I will a documentary or commission.

526
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: Yeah it's yeah, it's a documentary and I'm the I'm

527
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: the uh a narrator and uh it's it's about And

528
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: it's funny because I called Larry and and uh and

529
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: before I did it, before I did the film, I said, says,

530
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: I want to know if I'm helping, you know, I

531
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 3: want to know if what we're talking about here is

532
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: on the up and up.

533
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: And I know it's controversial.

534
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: And I want to make sure that that it's okay

535
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: with you and uh and and other doctors in Bolts

536
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: and basically Paul. The film it's called Memories for Life,

537
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: And what they're saying is that there are other ways

538
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: because pills, I mean, it's a death sentence, right. You

539
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 3: get you get that, you know, diagnosis, it's over for you.

540
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of time. But there's a doctor

541
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: who has discovered that through intense dietary change is an exercise.

542
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: Not only can you slow down the effects of dementia

543
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: and Alzheimer's on the brain, but you can reverse it.

544
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: You know, we're not stuck.

545
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: No, you know, there's a lot of events.

546
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a lot of the batsment. So I

547
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: just I loved it. It's so funny how life happens though,

548
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 3: Like that, isn't it.

549
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you talk about those connections, Michael, You know,

550
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 2: Larry of course is affiliate. His charity is affiliated with

551
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: Cleveland Clinic. And yes, my mother in the late nineteen

552
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: sixties was the first woman in America to have heart

553
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: bypass surgery. It was done at the Cleveland Clinic. They

554
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: had done two men, and then my mother was the

555
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: first female to ever have heart bypass surgery. It was

556
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: done at the Cleveland Clinic on Euclid Avenue in Cleveland.

557
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: When I met Larry and started talking to Larry about

558
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: Cleveland Clinic. You know, Paul and I always talk about

559
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 2: the six degrees of separation. It's rather remarkable. But just

560
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: on a lighter note, not talking about illness. The house

561
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: that I live in, Eli Fitzgerald lived in the house

562
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: that I live in. She lived in the house twenty

563
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: five years, and I've lived in it twenty three years.

564
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: So your friend in Paul's friend, my friend Quincy Jones.

565
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: The day we first bought the house twenty three years ago,

566
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: he came over to the house and he walked in

567
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: the front door, and he paused just inside the door,

568
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: and he looked up and he said, Ella, I feel you.

569
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: And he said, you know, Skip, she wanted to die

570
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 2: in this house because she had diabetes. She was at

571
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: Cedar's son in a hospital and they unfortunately had an amputator leg.

572
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: But she came home to the house. So Quincy looked

573
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: at me and said, she died in near bed. Man,

574
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: she died in near bed. I say, Quincy, she may

575
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: have died in my bedroom, but I promised I brought

576
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: my own bed when I bought the house. Quincy, he

577
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: was such a character. He always whenever he's been to

578
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: the house, he always walks in, does the same thing

579
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: at the front, stops past cut I can feel your baby.

580
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: When I'm asked as a vocalist, who's you know, who's

581
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: the who are the greatest singers of all? I always say,

582
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: and it's the true, The greatest in my opinion, the

583
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: greatest singer who ever lived, and I mean ever ever lived,

584
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: in my opinion, was Alant. There has been no one

585
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: with control, tone, action. She is a machine. I couldn't

586
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: even understand how she could do what she could do.

587
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: And Paul, when you when you get asked, what do

588
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: you say?

589
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: Well, el Ella, certainly. And Louis Armstrong I loved you know,

590
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: people aren't aware of how good forget the trumpet. I mean,

591
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: here's a kid that was get out of jail, lived

592
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: with another family, and he worked his way. But as

593
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: a vocalist, I loved Louis Armstrong. Dean Martin is underrated.

594
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: He's a good thing, without question. And and you and

595
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: I know, because you know all those days we spent,

596
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: I gave you all those the Sinatra arrangements that you

597
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: in fact, you know the one that work clicked in

598
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: for me with Michael digressing a little. He came on

599
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: stage with me at the Mirage and we sang I've

600
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: got you under my skin to the Nelson riddled arrangement.

601
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: Now here's a young guy which I could identify because

602
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: I was what sixteen, He got up there and kicked

603
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: the shit out of that song when we sang it,

604
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: and I knew there and then, against all odds of

605
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: what was going on in the music business, that this

606
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: guy needed his name and persona in the spotlight. And

607
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: that was and I gave you but three or four

608
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: of those Sinatra arrangements. Remember what you put.

609
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: On the Oh yeah, but for me, those arrangements are

610
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: just unreal.

611
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the best and Sinatra for you and I,

612
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: we've spoken about it stylistically owning the lyric as he did.

613
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: I think you and I agreed that he he was

614
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: the guy.

615
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: You know, he's a beast ball He's a beast. Yeah, honestly,

616
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: he's a beast. It's like talking about a baseball player. Yeah,

617
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: you know when the baseball player. You can have talent, okay, talent,

618
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: but the physicality, the way that that instrument was built,

619
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: he was a beast. Ah.

620
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it is. It's like what you've got.

621
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: When people say to me that voice, that voice, I say,

622
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: it's genetic, genetic. The tone in his voice where people

623
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: have tone. He had that genetic magic that anyone that

624
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: stood in front of a band came second. He ruined

625
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: it for all singers all through the years. You couldn't

626
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: get in front of a band because he owned and

627
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: with Frank, if you heard the first five seconds of anything,

628
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: he owned you and you knew who it was. Yeah,

629
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: you do.

630
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I've spent so many years Paul trying

631
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: to deconstruct voices. Yeah, yours included you know, the stylistically,

632
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: what what does Alla?

633
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: What?

634
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: How?

635
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: What makes Frank gray? What makes Dean great? The way

636
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: Dean drops us up a glottis and everything is, Oh,

637
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: he has that thing.

638
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: He does a little love.

639
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: Body lovesal.

640
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: I love you, you will to do it? You hop

641
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: me up to do it.

642
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 3: And the other night I was in the car and

643
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: I was listening to the song in one of the

644
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: radio stations, one of three point five was on and

645
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: they had Sinatra. I said to my wife, I said, listen, Lou,

646
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: And I started to notice something that I'd never noticed before.

647
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: No vibrato, No vibrato until the last, the end of

648
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: maybe the fourth phrase. So many singers that you hear

649
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: would say, Oh the weather outside is frightful, but the

650
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: fire is so delightful. The vibrato you hear, that's the

651
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: shake of the voice. And I noticed that he was going, oh,

652
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: the weather outside his fight. Oh but all straight, yeah,

653
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: but the fire m they're light full and since we

654
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: have no place too smooth, all smooth zero zero, and

655
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: it's almost talking.

656
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: It's like he was talking.

657
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet somehow tonally.

658
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Oh, some of Michael, someone have verbrados you could walk through.

659
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to name any names because I have

660
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: respect for our fellow artists, but you know the ones

661
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: that are very apparent. And this guy, when he would

662
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: would shud a song, he'd go with Jimmy van Heusen

663
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: because I was in that circle, and he and Jimmy

664
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: would go down to Palm Springs and they would would

665
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: shed every song, every approach and they'd sit in Palm

666
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: Springs and he would rehearse. You know, I've got access

667
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: to the my Way track. You know he did it

668
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: in one take and when you listen to his isolated vocal,

669
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I'll play it for you one day, Michael,

670
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: Paul I have.

671
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: I have sat and tried in every recording over twenty

672
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: years to emulate the to emulate the feeling I get. Yeah,

673
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: when listening to those old records. By the way, Paul,

674
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: you it's not the same either. Your some of your records, okay,

675
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: your older records. Yeah, I'm saying when you were you know,

676
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: a kid, a kid. Yeah, terrible Yeah, well but no

677
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: they're not terrible. Squeaky voice. Yeah, but I'm just saying

678
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: that the mix, the mix, the arrangements, the sound that

679
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: you got in the studio, which I know you're standing

680
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: in the middle of that goddamn room. It's not you

681
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: didn't do this. And then the drummer did a separated track,

682
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: and then they put Paul ank in and Paul sang

683
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: forty times and they kicked it to get it together.

684
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 3: I have tried for twenty years, in every which way

685
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: with every producer. I still haven't figured it out. Okay,

686
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: I do my best. I put all room, I do

687
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: room mics. Yeah, I go and I put a mic

688
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: in the middle so I can the sound doesn't bleed

689
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: too much. But it never sounds like they sounded. It

690
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 3: just doesn't.

691
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: We would stand in the middle of the room, we

692
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: rehearse for a couple of hours, and then we just record.

693
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: It's all just pure blood, sweat, honesty and what you

694
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: got on that little quarter inch tape that was it.

695
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: And when you wanted to make an edit. They took

696
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: out a razor blade and scotch tape and they'd cut

697
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: the tape and they put the scotch tape and that

698
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: was your edit.

699
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: What kind of vocal training did you have, if any?

700
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 3: I went to a woman named Sandy Ellis, Sandy Siemens

701
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: Ellis for years, and then I went to It's interesting.

702
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: But I went to a guy. And I don't want

703
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: to be cruel, but I don't think I had ever

704
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: been so bored in my entire life. I went to

705
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: a vocal coach named Joseph Shore, and he would sit

706
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: with me and tell me.

707
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 8: About the mechanics of the voice and why opera singers

708
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 8: had stronger instruments, and how it was possible through training

709
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 8: the muscle to have an approach it killed it.

710
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: I used, and I was a kids seventeen years old.

711
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: The lesson I would be sitting. But you know what

712
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: what I liked about him, and I didn't like when

713
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: teachers would when the coaches would say to me, now

714
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: I want you to feel the note. I want you

715
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: to see, and I would trying to see the fuck,

716
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

717
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 9: Do you know what I'm talking about acting coaches acting.

718
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: It's like and now you see it and as you

719
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: lift the note, and I would be my body doesn't understand.

720
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. I would try to

721
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: fake it, but it would be faking it. And this

722
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: guy Joe would bring down a chart, no shit, a

723
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: chart of the of anatomy of the of the and

724
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: he would say he did is non that's what it's doing.

725
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: When you drop the epigloons and you go down to

726
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: that place, Wow, that gives you this sound that you

727
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: want for these songs. And when you need a range

728
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: where we need to hear your head voice, I want you.

729
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: And it was all clinical, I mean clinical, boring, clinical,

730
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 3: but he helped me to understand, you know. And then

731
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: more than more than anything skip, it was me stealing.

732
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: I say it all the time. I say to every

733
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: parent who ever asked me about their kid, I stole

734
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: and I still steal if I find something that's beautiful.

735
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: And what Al's doing in the way that she has

736
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: a trill changing going. I don't know what it's called

737
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: when they do the what's that scatting that? But that

738
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: it's not scatting, it's it's gymnastics. It's the gymnastics.

739
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: Like that gymnastics.

740
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: There's a million things I just steal.

741
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Do you feel you have to be a good actor

742
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: to be a good singer the way you were?

743
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: I think we are actors.

744
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

745
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: What made you go into classic songs? Most young guys

746
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: want rock and roll. That's sort of your writing.

747
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: Why I was so in love with my Grandpa's records

748
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: when I tell you, And it started, by the way,

749
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: in a very strange way. It started with the infiltration

750
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: musically coming with Bing Crosby and me being a little

751
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: little boy and you know, and hearing Bing Crosby's Christmas

752
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: record playing through my house. And that was my introduction.

753
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: And then when I say little as young as I

754
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: can or this was how that music got to me.

755
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: That's how that those arrangements, the musicianship, the harmonies of

756
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: the Andrew sisters and him, that is it was. It

757
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: was infiltration, It really was.

758
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: It was.

759
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 3: You know, there's if anyone wonders why my Christmas stuff

760
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: is so big, well it came from there. That's that

761
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: was where I found this style of music. God, the

762
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: grooves were so chunky, you know, I don't care if

763
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: you like Drake or whoever in hip hop, none of

764
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: them got beats that are as fat as those beats.

765
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: They are fat swinging, you know. And because it was

766
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: a Christmas thing, Oh Christmas, those songs were got unbelievably constructed,

767
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: Those players were unbelievable, those arrangements were unbelievable. And so

768
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: it was an introduction to this world of sound. And

769
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: you know, and by the way, I thought it was

770
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: incredibly suave and romantic. And then having a grampa who

771
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: just happened to me be my best friend Skip, who

772
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: would sit with me on the floor. And by the way,

773
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: play me Paul Ink, and play me Bennett, and play

774
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: me Sinatra, and play me the Mills brothers say and

775
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: tell me the stories. You know this is these are

776
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 3: these are the Mills brothers. Okay. And you know who

777
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: really loved the Mills brothers, This guy Dean Martin, you

778
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: want to listen, He.

779
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: Himself after them exactly.

780
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: And so I I just was infatuated by it. And

781
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: my grandpa used to have a record player where you

782
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: take the old record and then he would he would

783
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: tape them onto a cassette. This was quite new at

784
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: the time. You know, really exciting stuff, and I would listen.

785
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: I would listen over and over again. I would sit

786
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: all night and I would listen to Sinatra and the

787
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 3: Pied Pipers, and I would lay in bed at fourteen

788
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: and try my best to figure out how to sound

789
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: there's no sun up in the sky, storm me with

790
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: and try to get that you know, that vibrato that

791
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: you know. But I listened so much Skip. I studied

792
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: without knowing it was studying that. It was so organic

793
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: that I had. I knew thousands of goddamn songs before

794
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 3: I was Dean.

795
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: That's a song. And they would Dean used to sing

796
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: in the steam room.

797
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 6: Don't know why. I got a lipstick on my fly

798
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 6: sloppy blow job and he was singing. You know, we'd

799
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 6: all hang in the steam room. You got all my idols.

800
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 6: But Michael, you canna appreciate it. And I'm this kid

801
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 6: with these guys and were walking around nude, Dean, Sammy,

802
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 6: Frank nude, and I'm new on the scene.

803
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: I mean talk about having trouble with eye contact, right,

804
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: and all they did was sing. Man, I mean, Dean

805
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: had every He was the physically the most funniest guy

806
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: you'll ever want to be around. Naturally, when they were

807
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: massaging them on the table, you know, when they pressed

808
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: down hard with the oil, he had a way of

809
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: flying off the table onto the floor. And you know,

810
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: we all had our robes, you know, I was like

811
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: the kid. Dean Martin was Dago, you know, with respect

812
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: between Frank and him, they could say that Dago. Sammy

813
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: Davis was Smoky the bear. Frank was the Pope.

814
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: You know.

815
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: The education and the experience I got with those guys

816
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: I could never ever replace, you know, Mike. I mean

817
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: I wished, and you've done your homework. I mean, you know,

818
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: but those guys how they you know, I'm a kid.

819
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: I'm nowhere in their league. I'm doing my cocka made

820
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: teenage songs. But I'm in there with them. And what

821
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: I learned and the style and the commitment of those

822
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: guys was just an education for me. Let me ask you, Michael,

823
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: when you started back in five with us, right, would

824
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: you attempt to do that today with the music, seeing

825
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: the way it is, What would your feeling be?

826
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: Yes? I would you would? I have to answer that. Honestly.

827
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. The kids today, okay, and this is

828
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: this is just completely one percent true. I talked to

829
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: the record company. They go, oh, we've just signed this kid.

830
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: We're really excited about the kid. I says, great, I've

831
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: seen the kid on TikTok. The kid's good. And I says,

832
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: how is the kid on stage?

833
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

834
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: The kids? The kid's never been on stage. How do

835
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: you mean the kids never been on stage?

836
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: Oh?

837
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: No, the kids. It never sung outside the bedroom. You know,

838
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mean they never stand outside the bedroom because

839
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: the kid can they entertain? Oh no, we don't know.

840
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: We don't know. But we've got a great following. And

841
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: so what's happened is they signed the kid because they

842
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: had a song that went viral and did two hundred

843
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: million downloads. But that's all they want. Give us the song.

844
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: You know, we're going to build our publishing. We're going

845
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: to make billions of dollars because every time it plays,

846
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: a might just be pennies, but we have we have

847
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: a lot of pennies stacking up. Yeah, there's no interest

848
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: many times in growing that business, in creating, you know,

849
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: putting investing in this person and saying hey let's start here.

850
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: We're gonna start at clubs. Okay, we might get to theaters.

851
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: So once we get to theaters, we could do some

852
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 3: soft seaters and suett Maybe once it gets really big,

853
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: we might get into arenas. There's only a few people

854
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: out there who I see doing that, And for me,

855
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: that's a good business. And by the way, Paul, I

856
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: don't give a shit if you're adding one fan a day.

857
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: If you're adding one fan a day, that's a good business.

858
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: You're just to grow it. Even if it's that slow,

859
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: that's steady, because that's something that can be built into

860
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: having a career. I just don't you know, Like I'll

861
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: give you an example. My niece the other day, she

862
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: came over and she said to me, you got to

863
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: hear this song and this girl this great song. And

864
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 3: I said, okay, and I listened to this good song.

865
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: I said who is it? And my niece said, I

866
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: don't know. And I said, how can you not know?

867
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: And she said, I don't know. It's on a playlist.

868
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: She said, I can go and look, because she had

869
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: no interest in looking. She had no interest, Paul in

870
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 3: finding out who this girl was, no interest in hearing

871
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: another song, no interest in going through a discography, you

872
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

873
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: When I had dinner with you. Your son had written a

874
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: song that you used on your album. How about that

875
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: you remember your son, you know he was finishing it

876
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: or when we were dinner. How about what kind of

877
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: kick was that? Michael? Your son?

878
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: I mean, that was the greatest thing ever. Paul. Yesterday,

879
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: yesterday he was at the piano. Paul and Paul, he

880
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: can play the piano. He was playing the piano. I'm

881
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: so jealous because I but I'm so proud. And you

882
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: know what, I drove him nuts, going to take You're

883
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: going to take your lessons. You're going to say, I

884
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: don't want to do my lessons. And then we sat

885
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: at the piano yesterday and he started playing and I said,

886
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: oh my god, dude, I said, this is this is beautiful.

887
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: I said, look at you. You're going to be you

888
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And I'm so I don't mean

889
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: to sound cheesy, but the greatest gift a human being

890
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: can have is love of music. Your partners in life

891
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: will break your heart, your businesses might fail. You know,

892
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: we're all going to go through a bunch of ship

893
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: and suffering and pain. But the one thing that will

894
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 3: never ever let you down is that romance with music.

895
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

896
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: Never. It will take you. It'll take you through your

897
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: darkest times and by the way, it'll lift you up

898
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: and inspire you to your greatest moments. You know, it's cinematic.

899
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: It's it's what life is about.

900
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: You know, a.

901
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: Music.

902
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: They're all music of them.

903
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: Wow, how cool is that? Huh? Do you take them?

904
00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: Do they all go and tour with you?

905
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: Still?

906
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Every time?

907
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 3: Everywhere? Yeah? They come everywhere.

908
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I take them on too, I always have.

909
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's unbelievable.

910
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: It's the best.

911
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: You do that, it's the best.

912
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 5: You know.

913
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: What I want for my kids, I'd love to get them.

914
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: What I'd love is, I tell my wife, I'd like

915
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: them to come to work for me. I mean as kids,

916
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: you know, fourteen fifteen. Sure, I wanted to come out

917
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 3: and be part of the crew. I like them to learn,

918
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: just you see what the electricians are doing, to learn

919
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: to see what the wellder's I'm serious, No, I get

920
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: I do like it because I think you know, you learn,

921
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: you learn how adults talk to each other and treat

922
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: each other. It's a lot different than how kids in

923
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: school talk to each other. You learn, you learn common respect,

924
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: you know, you learn what the hard, how to work hard,

925
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, to take pride in your work and to

926
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: be fulfilled and getting up in the morning and help

927
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: load those cases in and be there and see how

928
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: hard those guys work. That thing doesn't just come up

929
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: on its own. That stadium or that arena that wasn't

930
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: there yesterday. These guys got in it got it five

931
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: six in the morning, and they sweat and they had

932
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: there was camaraderie and teamwork. And then, by the way,

933
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 3: when you do that, then come out to the party afterwards.

934
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm not saying party, but I'm saying,

935
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: if you want to come out and hang with your

936
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: dad and we can hang till one in the morning,

937
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: and you want to say and you want to work

938
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: hard and play hard and come out and dance on

939
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: the floor and you know, and be with us big

940
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 3: guys and talk with us big guys. To me, that's

941
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 3: it's what my dad did for me on a fishing

942
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: boat pole. Yeah, that's why I'm here, That's why I'm

943
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 3: who I am.

944
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: My dad did it because my dad, I worked in

945
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: a restaurant. That's why I got into singing.

946
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: I hated it.

947
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: I had to peel potatoes sit in the kitchen, I said,

948
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. You know, Michael and I we

949
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: all we all played hockey as kids, right, and I

950
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: was a goalie and I realized somewhere and then I

951
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: wasn't going to grow anymore because I'm not the tallest

952
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: guy in town. But I love sports, and that's when

953
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: I got into music. But you know, when I worked

954
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: for my dad in the restaurant, in the back, peeling potatoes,

955
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, the fear was, I'm going to wind up

956
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: with a restaurant, and in Canada, as Michael knows, we're

957
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: under snow half the time and it's dark and dreary.

958
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: But before you, Michael, I was like locked in my room.

959
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: The only way I could see what was outside. Our

960
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: windows had little holes in them. That's how we got

961
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: the air. And I'd stab my pencil and look out

962
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: and say, I got to get the hell out of here.

963
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: So when you were at that restaurant, Paul, when you

964
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: were working like that, yeah, there was there good parts

965
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: of it. Was it was there. Did you feel camaraderie?

966
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 3: Did you feel Oh, I felt.

967
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: Close to my dad. I felt very much a part

968
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: of the family business. I felt very much a part

969
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: of work ethic. Work ethic, yes, which led into what

970
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: I do now or even as a kid, just work

971
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: ethic earning. You know, I was making three dollars a week.

972
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, I won my first contest collecting souper wrappers,

973
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: and I went to New York because that every record

974
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: I looked at was from New York. So I'm sitting

975
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: there with forty kids from Canada eating these wet sandwiches.

976
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: We stayed in New York, went back home, and then

977
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: I had about one hundred bucks left from my paper

978
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: route and Caddy I went back down. I got luck

979
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: eate fifteen, walked into an office. But the work ethic,

980
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: the family ethic which Michael has, and he's got a

981
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: hell of a family around him, and I wanted to

982
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: ask you about how does that feel now, Michael, with

983
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: everything you've got to do, and you've broadened into everything

984
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: being the father and then juggling everything else. I mean,

985
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people don't know how to do

986
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: that or care to do that. But you know, when

987
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: I see you with your kids and that great wife

988
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: of yours, I'm so proud of you about that family

989
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: side of you because you just don't see it. You

990
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: don't see it anymore.

991
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: I didn't. There was no choice for me. I wish

992
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: I could sit and tell you that there was some Yeah,

993
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: there was no option. That's where I came from. It's

994
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: the people I came from. Heah got a beauty you

995
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: know me, you know, my mom and dad. Sure, just

996
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: they're really beautiful, humble, gorgeous people, beautiful sisters. Hey, I'm

997
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: lucky you have a manager. I got a manager that

998
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: loves me like I'm his son, you know, And and

999
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: they know what comes first. It's always family, my faith,

1000
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: My faith is first. My family's first. And uh, you know,

1001
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 3: like Bruce will even say, my manager, Bruce will say,

1002
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: you know, hey, you probably could have gotten further, you

1003
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: know without all of that other stuff. It's true. I

1004
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 3: get it. I understand it. It's a it's a you know,

1005
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: it's a business where you know, you get what you

1006
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: put you get out what you put in. And sometimes

1007
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 3: I wasn't always able to put in the time because

1008
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't going to I wasn't going to

1009
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: tour like that. I still, I mean, I think I'm

1010
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: the most financially irresponsible touring act probably on the planet.

1011
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: There with you.

1012
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 3: You're with me too.

1013
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm kicking it. They're not going to fight over my money.

1014
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm spending it all. Fuck that I work too, I'm

1015
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: going to enjoy it. I don't want to be the

1016
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: richest guy in a graveyard. Never want exactly.

1017
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 8: You know.

1018
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: I just had so I just had a meet with

1019
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 3: Bruce and this guy Randy that works in the office.

1020
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: He says, you know, Mike, Randy says, you know, you should.

1021
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: You know, if you could just go and do the

1022
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 3: eight month tours, just to eight months hard and then

1023
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 3: you could see the family for a year and a half.

1024
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: I says, go find you shut up, And he says

1025
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: you could, that you can go do that. I said,

1026
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 3: I'm not. That's not my life. I'm not going to

1027
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: be happy to do that.

1028
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: You know when you said you when he said you'd

1029
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: go further. The dynamic of family and real successful family

1030
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: in your life is the foundation of the better human being.

1031
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: Fuck going on those tours and making that extra buck

1032
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: and you'd be in trouble today with all these running around.

1033
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: You're a target. You're a pinota for women. We love

1034
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: your women, but it's a new world. Disagree with that,

1035
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: because the meaningful stuff, Michael, no matter what you're going into,

1036
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: is going to come for your family. And you see it,

1037
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: and you and I get it, you know.

1038
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1039
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: But you know, Paul, we were you were alluding to

1040
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: it before. You're talking about my son Noah. Yeah, and

1041
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: you know that going through that, that health battle, you know, listen,

1042
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: if it hadn't been clear to me before, that was

1043
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: a there was complete clarity. I realized, you know, things,

1044
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: anything I was confused about had been cleared up in

1045
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 3: a moment and I mean a fucking in a moment.

1046
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: On Halloween Day, my life changed and I knew what mattered.

1047
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 3: It's interesting too, It's funny. I remember sitting there that

1048
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: day and I had at the time, the Christmas Record

1049
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: was just going. It just kept on going, and people

1050
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: didn't shut up about the Christmas record. A Christmas guy, Hey,

1051
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: Christmas guy, the King of Christmas King. And I really

1052
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: bothered me, you know, God, you know I'm more than that.

1053
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: I'm come on, I'm a successful time. I'm doing this

1054
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: and I'm doing I don't like it that they're talking

1055
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: about christ sated my wife. I don't like it that

1056
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: they call me that, you know, I got other things,

1057
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: you know, I'm killing it in fifty countries loop. And

1058
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: that day, I remember I sat in the bed at

1059
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: Chla and I don't know why, but I just I

1060
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: remember I thought, Wow, I'm so worried. My ego, my

1061
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 3: fault self is so worried that they're you know, talking

1062
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: to me about Christmas. What are you thinking about, Mike?

1063
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: What are you doing? You are connected to the most

1064
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: beautiful time in the whole of the year, where people

1065
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: are kinder and more empathetic, and they've got joy in

1066
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: their hearts, and they're inviting you into their homes to

1067
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 3: celebrate this time with their families, these core memories, these

1068
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: unique times, and you're who they're invited in. And you

1069
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: got a problem with this asshole and it really I

1070
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: remember is looking at my wife and saying babe. And

1071
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: my wife looked at me, because my wife has no gray,

1072
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: she's so black and white, and she looked at me

1073
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: and she said, yeah, honey, what are you talking about?

1074
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: Of course, of course you know lose a good woman.

1075
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: You're very fortunate. He's really very scared. That was love

1076
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: at first sight for you, man.

1077
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 3: Dude at first sight.

1078
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: If I can pivot for a second. Back to another

1079
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: topic where we actually started. At the top of this,

1080
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: I was involved with the Hartford Whalers hockey team. First

1081
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: started in the WHA and then we wound up with

1082
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: an NHL franchise journey the late seventies. Yeah, it's still

1083
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: one of the highest, still one of the top sellers

1084
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: in the NHL store, I believe it or not. And

1085
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: you won't believe this, but in the late nineteen seventies,

1086
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: Gordi Howe ended his career in Hartford. We had Gordi

1087
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: how and his two sons, Mark and Marty, both sons

1088
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: Mark and Marty, and then we picked up the jet

1089
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: Bobby Hull. So we had in Hartford, Connecticut, right sort

1090
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: of not a major market. We had the Gordy how

1091
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: and Bobby Hall and it was an amazing time for me.

1092
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: So I wanted to just segue for a second because

1093
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: Paul had told me that you've got sort of a

1094
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 2: special situation downstairs at your house. I was hoping you

1095
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: could describe it to us.

1096
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny. I was living in West

1097
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: Vancouver and I liked it there because it was real quiet,

1098
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: you know, you know, no neighbors ever talked to anybody.

1099
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 3: It's you know, you just live your life and you

1100
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: have this very independent life. And once I had my

1101
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: first son, I started to saying, Jesus, this is a

1102
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: little bit lonely for this kid. You know this I

1103
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: wanted to We were having playdates, but then you go

1104
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: out to the thing and have playates. And I said

1105
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: to my wife, you know, Lou, I'd love to go

1106
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 3: to Burnaby where I grew up. You know, I got

1107
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 3: all my friends there and my family's there. I'd like

1108
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: for the you know, for my house was always empty.

1109
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: We lived it, you know, it was just a big

1110
00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 3: house on a hill in West Vancouver. And my best

1111
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: friend Carston was a realisted agent and he and my

1112
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,479
Speaker 3: father just lucked out and found this plot of land

1113
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 3: that was across from the elementary school that I went

1114
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 3: to as a kid. And they said, listen, it's quite

1115
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 3: a few acres and it's a really good price. You know,

1116
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: you could build a dream house there. So I did

1117
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: and it was actually, weirdly enough, Paul. It was David

1118
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: Foster and he said, wow, you bought this big thing

1119
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 3: a land. He says, what are you going to do?

1120
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 3: I said, oh, I'm going to you know, make this.

1121
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to build this place. And he said to me,

1122
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, Mike, he said, I don't. I'm not. I

1123
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: don't own the Malibu place anymore. He said, it's just

1124
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: too much, too big, too expensive, all of that. He said,

1125
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: But you know, the advice I would give you is

1126
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: once in your life, do it once, you know, do

1127
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: the splashy thing once you know you don't have to

1128
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 3: do it again. You don't, but you know, you've worked

1129
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: your ass off, you got really lucky, you know, do

1130
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: something stupid, you know, And so I did. I called

1131
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: my dad and I says, Dad, I'd love to I'd

1132
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: love to have an ice drink. And my dad said, okay,

1133
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: let's look at it. And we figured it out. And

1134
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: the first thing that we did when we built this house,

1135
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: when they when they dug everything out, was in the foundation.

1136
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: The first thing that came was the foundation of the

1137
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: ice rink. And then we built the house believe it

1138
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: or not, around a zamboni. The zamboni, So the zamboni

1139
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: was in there first, and we started to build the rink.

1140
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: It's about half size or something like that, a little

1141
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: more half sized rink. It's a it's a blast.

1142
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I got Michael, how many Canucks come over?

1143
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: I got to know what's the content? How many of

1144
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: the Canucks? Anything is Paul?

1145
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: The funny thing is as it's like as many guys,

1146
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: and there's guys by the way on on other other teams,

1147
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: or there's sometimes like you know, it's funny even the

1148
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: boys on the Giants, well now they're not on the

1149
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: Giants because now those kids play for the kid wont

1150
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 3: to Stanley Cup with Colorado. But all those boys come

1151
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: over and get on the ice with the kids, or

1152
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: I get. You know, there's there's actors, there's there's singers, there's.

1153
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: They do you play full out games with hockey players?

1154
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: Just sit there?

1155
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: You get you don't?

1156
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: We do not?

1157
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: You don't. And you don't skate.

1158
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: You skate, no ice, we skate. But it's more listen.

1159
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: I'm just being honest. It's more drinking. It's more drinking.

1160
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: And he might and I've been there, I've been I've

1161
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: been there. You know, I go way back with Gretzki. Okay,

1162
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: gave his first jet flights. And the senator is a

1163
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: great guy, and the senators what goes on in that

1164
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: room I'm not gonna spill it. All you talk about

1165
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: drinking and all, you know, ship and they go play funny.

1166
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: I'll never figure it out, man, And we drink till

1167
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: like in the morning, and they're on the ice at four.

1168
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe.

1169
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: The other thing. The other thing I built is uh,

1170
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 3: I built a big green, a big green, you know,

1171
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: a big golf Yeah. And then I got I got

1172
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: these holes, you know, sixty ninety yards and to take

1173
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: a pitching pot, and I got a I got a

1174
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: tennis court, and I got a I built a soccer field.

1175
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1176
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: And so they come over and I'm not kidding you, man.

1177
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 3: We play every game you can. We're throwing footballs, we're

1178
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 3: hitting golf. It's just it's kids. We're just being little kids.

1179
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: Hey, Mike, you want to know something. This is this

1180
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: has been rolling out. You know, you never can predict

1181
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: how much time, how it vibes out. You know, we

1182
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: could sit and talk to you for hours, man, like

1183
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: you and I have been, and we respect the fact.

1184
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: Know you know you're going to look at a box

1185
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: to put your whiskey in because you don't like the

1186
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: shape of the Buck, so we we thank you so

1187
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: much for hanging with us.

1188
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 3: And you know what I'm doing, and it's I'm taking

1189
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: I'm taking my kid. He's going to get an allergy

1190
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: tesch Oh you know when you go take him?

1191
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: They oh yeah, they do it on the back.

1192
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 3: I took.

1193
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: I took ethan. They that back.

1194
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 3: Literally that's literally my day as I go to the doctor.

1195
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: But the doctors are real sweet, real sweet guy. Paul,

1196
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 3: you're never coming because I know you're never coming.

1197
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: Coming where I wish you would.

1198
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 3: I wish you would go to Vancouver.

1199
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: Well I get there if you just you know, I'll

1200
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: just make a trip. If I have to come up.

1201
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: Skip's a golfer, And if I have to come up,

1202
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, for a day or two. I'd love to

1203
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: see you guys, and I see you.

1204
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm not done too.

1205
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: I need to ask you major he's not guy.

1206
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: Dude. Now, I'm fucking you know. I'm fascinated by you. Now, Skip,

1207
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be it's going to be me googling you

1208
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 3: all night.

1209
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, how are you?

1210
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: Why were you?

1211
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: And why are the Hartford Whalers? How did you get

1212
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 3: involved in that?

1213
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: It's funny. I was a real estate developer in Hartford,

1214
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: and the city went out and did everything asked backwards.

1215
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: So one of the things they did backwards they built

1216
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: an arena, but they didn't have a tenant for the arena.

1217
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: So there was a group of us that went to

1218
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: Boston and met with a friend, now a friend named

1219
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: Howard Baldwin actually one of the owners of the Pittsburgh

1220
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: Penguins later on, and he had a w h a

1221
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: team called the Boston Whalers. We said, look, you're always

1222
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: going to be the second class citizen. I mean the

1223
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: Boston Bruins. People think of hockey and Boston it's the Bruins.

1224
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: But if you come to Hartford, you'll be the biggest

1225
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: thing in the town. And we built this eighteen thousand

1226
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: seed arena. So I was the president of the Hartford

1227
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: Club at the time, involved in the business council, and

1228
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: we induced him to come to Hartford and we sold out.

1229
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: It was great, but there's sort of an ugly story

1230
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: to it at the end. When the team was ultimately

1231
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: sold was sold to a gentleman I won't say his name,

1232
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: but his initials are Peter Carmenos, and he bought the

1233
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: team and he said listen. I will tell you right now.

1234
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: I love it here. I'm buying it a home in Hertford,

1235
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: and this team will always be here. And two years

1236
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: later they were the Carolina Hurricanes. Carolina, so we lost

1237
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: the team, but it was amazing when it was there.

1238
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 3: And Howell.

1239
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: Gary Howard, of course he.

1240
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: Was my I was a friend of my dad's and

1241
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 3: my dad to this day he's always a Canuck fan,

1242
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: but he always had to play. He always tells me

1243
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: that he had a special place in his heart always

1244
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 3: for the heart for whalers.

1245
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: Isn't that great? But you know, can I just can

1246
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: I just add one thing? You know, I don't have

1247
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: a better friend than Paul. We talk about this all

1248
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: the time. We talk all night and it seems and

1249
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: we said, look, we should do a podcast. It'll be

1250
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: fun to do it and get some get some of

1251
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: our friends to be on with us. But the thing

1252
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 2: that I take away from from this with you is

1253
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: the same thing with him, and that's balance. You have

1254
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: balance in your life. You know, your family's important, your

1255
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: friends are important. You know you like hockey, you like football,

1256
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: you like doing all these things. You like working. Of course,

1257
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 2: now you're in a new business. You're in a whiskey business,

1258
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: but you're not just sole purpose like one line straight down.

1259
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: You just you know, try to do everything. And I

1260
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: think that's that's fabulous, that's beautiful. That's probably why we stay.

1261
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 3: We have friends like Paul too, Like Paul, you know,

1262
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 3: the other day I told Paul this. The other day,

1263
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 3: I've been I actually been talking about Paul in interviews

1264
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 3: and nothing I was. I was feeling a little bit lost,

1265
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: you know, I was just feeling I don't know, you know,

1266
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 3: getting that. You know, it's everything what's going on in

1267
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: my career, and I don't know why out of all

1268
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: the times, like because Paul and I talked a lot,

1269
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: you know, and then just out of nothing, I never

1270
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: told Paul any of that, and out of nothing, Paul

1271
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: got on the phone with me and he said, just

1272
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 3: out of nothing, he said, hey, Mike, don't panic, never panic.

1273
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 3: You know, you're great, Your life is great, your family's great,

1274
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 3: you're a good You're a great. Just be you and

1275
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 3: don't let anyone scare you. Don't change, just keep going forward,

1276
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 3: doing the way you're doing. And he said, you'll be there,

1277
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: You'll be that Tony Bennett guy. You'll be that, you know.

1278
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: And it's funny because Paul, you know, you didn't know

1279
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 3: at the time, but I told you the other day.

1280
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 3: It's just settled me.

1281
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1282
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: I called my manager Bruce. Actually, just let me tell you, Bruce.

1283
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 3: I needed needed that, you know, because I was you know,

1284
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 3: you do you get sometimes it gets you know, you

1285
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: get rocked a little bit, and this business is changing

1286
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 3: so much, skip so much that you don't know where

1287
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 3: you stand, you know what I mean.

1288
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: It's it's just it's just what you standing.

1289
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: Guys like you are far and few between you are.

1290
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: You got up and you stood. I've seen it all, okay,

1291
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: and just know you're the one of the kind. You've

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01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: got a career, you've got the foundation. You can't be

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Speaker 1: that dog with his tongue hanging out. You're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: You just have to keep on keeping on because you

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01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: got what nobody else has. You got your vibe, your Michael.

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Speaker 1: And you know we've all been conditioned mentally in life

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01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: to say, oh, you know, we've got to be happy

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01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: and you've got to find that straight line. Well that's horseshit.

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01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: Life is not a straight line. However, they've manipulated us

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01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: through cultures. It's up and down and up and down.

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01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: And you know, listen, we're so happy that you were

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01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: with us today.

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Speaker 2: Mike.

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Speaker 1: You know I love you. You've got you know. I

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01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: traveled all over the world and I'm always dropping your

1307
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 1: name on stage and when I tell you, they feel

1308
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: fucking crazy. They cheer like you're coming out on stage.

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: You've got to stay focused on who you are and

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01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: don't let that other shit bother you, because at the

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01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: end of the day, with success, nobody cares about you.

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01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: It's a hard lesson to learn. They don't care. Once

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01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: you've got the shit together and you've got your mark

1314
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: and you're there like you are baby, and you're so young.

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01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: It's yours, man, it's yours the fuck up. And you

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01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: know what, We're blessed to have you here today.

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Speaker 3: Man. I just I like, yeah, yeah, how many decades

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01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: you say you've been in this, how.

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01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: Many thanks my eighth I'm going on my xth.

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Speaker 3: Morning on TikTok. This morning on TikTok, no shit, I

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01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: felt like every second goddamn video that I skip too was.

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Speaker 10: Put yours, put your head on, butt your head on

1323
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 10: my sh everybody here, their.

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01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: Uncles saying that, you know, I had no idea that

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Speaker 1: was gonna happen, Michael, It came out of nowhere. I

1326
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck do you know?

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Speaker 3: It's funny. Let me see, let me see if this

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01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 3: comes up. Let me see if I can if this

1329
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: comes up. Oh god, because I just thought I was

1330
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 3: just sitting there and it came up. Come on, come on,

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01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 3: let don't turn. Don't let me down here, don't let

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01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 3: me down.

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01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: Here, don't let me in there somewhere.

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01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 3: Oh god, I'm telling you right now.

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01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 7: Oh that's so funny.

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01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 3: And you hear what it says? How the hell them

1337
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 3: style go from this with this kid looking all dapper

1338
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 3: and the song's gorge just yeah, see you see that?

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: That's yeah to this?

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 9: Tell me the fucking tell me the second put your

1341
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 9: head on my shoulders. Really, you know what my original

1342
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,520
Speaker 9: lyric was, Michael, put your legs on my shoulders.

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01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,839
Speaker 3: Hey, Paul, you want to do something crazy, so listen please,

1344
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 3: So this this TikTok alone yeah, that song with your

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01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 3: song playing okay over and over again. Kachin Kachin, Kachin

1346
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah has been looked at eleven million times and has

1347
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 3: seven hundred and thirty thousand likes. Do you understand that

1348
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 3: is you can't reach there's no TV show you you

1349
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: couldn't reach that many people doing the super Bowl halftime show.

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01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: That's it's fucking absolutely, it's unreal.

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01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: Oh that's good to know. I'm gonna turn it. I'm

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01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: not going to sing a halftime turning him down. I'm

1353
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: giving him back the money. I'm out. He just talk

1354
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: me something. I'm not doing a halftime shot.

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: I was going to say eighteen million downloads and we

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01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 3: just made twelve dollars that much.

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: Mike, you're the real Dale pal.

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01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 3: Welly Skipped you know that we're going to be hanging

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01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 3: that way.

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: Oh, Skim, you're gonna be hanged. Believe me, You're gonna

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: hang with Skip when you're down here. We're hanging for sure.

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01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 2: Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: I love you guys, Love you, buddy, Thanks, love you,

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01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Thanks Michael. Our Away with Paul Anka

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Speaker 1: and Skip Ronson is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtogg, with supervising producer

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Speaker 2: and editor Marcy Depina.

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Speaker 1: It was engineered by Todd Carlin and Graham Gibson and

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Speaker 1: nixed and mastered by Doug Boum.

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Speaker 2: If you like what you heard, please subscribe and leave

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01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 2: us a review.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts on iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite ships.

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Speaker 2: Sh