WEBVTT - The Podcast that Turns People Inside Out 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:14.680 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:16.759 My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm a senior writer 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.520 here at how stuff works dot com. And hello there, 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.880 I'm Julie Douglas, writer, editor and lead flip bottomist. This 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.360 is our second episode. Last time we talked about animals 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.920 going to sleep shutting off half their brain, and this 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.680 week we're gonna go in a slightly grosser direction. Tell me, Julie, 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:38.479 did you have any like strange childhood fears? Um? I 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:43.760 don't know that I've had really any terribly odd childhood fears. Um. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:50.239 Fear of clowns, of course, Uh, fear of my neighbors, right, windows, latches, 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.120 things like that. What about you? Just okay, so you 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.840 just had like clowns other people and things that open. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.520 But otherwise, yeah, stepping on vertical cracks on the left 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.920 hand side, okay when when going in the direction of 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.080 the north. Yeah, okay, Yeah, Well I don't see how 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.120 that could have gotten in the way at all. No, No, 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.240 honestly I didn't. I was a fairly uh normal child 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.679 when it came to that. Well, I had this fear 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:22.320 for a while um of turning inside out, which I 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.960 suspect that a lot of people had this on some level, 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.400 um for reasons I'm gonna get to in a moment, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.360 but I it all goes back to when when I 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.080 was a kid, my family would go to the local 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.920 video store and we you know, you know, me and 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.199 my sisters, we were all kids, you know, in my family. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.680 They weren't really into getting horror movies. But the horror 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.960 movie aisle was there, and they had all these just 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.760 crazy um covers in the vhs, uh, you know, cases 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.760 and um, and you just walked by them and you'd 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.400 see these things and you you know, you're my mind 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.640 would just sort of run wild with what they could 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.520 possibly contain. And there was this one box for this 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.400 film called Screamers, which was a nineteen nine film, and 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.240 you can look the cover art up online by doing 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.520 like the Google search, and because it's like really crazy, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.799 because it's like this dude that's like turned inside out 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.079 and he, you know, he just looks horrific. And then 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.280 the like the tag at the bottom of the boxes 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.960 they turned men inside out and worse yet, they were 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.400 still alive, you know, And so it just it it 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.040 got into my head that turning inside out was something 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.919 that could happen to you, or happen your body would do, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.080 or that's something that would be done to your body 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.800 and that you'd still be alive, and it'd be horrendous. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.239 And then you know, I imagine you'd go to the 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.799 doctor and you know, your parents are taking is like 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.600 what can you do for him? He's turned inside out? 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:41.959 And they would be like, wait, I can't do anything 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.760 for him. I'm sorry, your son is just inside out. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.079 From now on, you'v sitting in in what your third 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.560 grade class, just sitting there using your workings, just using 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.320 all over the place and like pulsating and stuff. That's 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.079 really horrible. I mean, were you sitting there in the 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.959 middle of the night saying to myself, you know, saying 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.919 to yourself, oh my god, this could happen at any 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.679 moment um. Well, it wasn't that paralyzing, but it was 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.880 just kind of it was just this feeling of like, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:11.119 you know, I guess when youre a kid, you don't 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:15.240 think as much about mortality, but certainly it was kind 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.760 of a a lesson in Oh my goodness, it's like 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.359 we're really fragile. We could just we could turn inside 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.200 out and then we're you know, so it was like 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.760 the moment where you just lost your innocence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.240 Pretty much every time we all went to the via 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.160 the video store would see something like that that would 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.160 you know, it would beat down your your your innocence 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.840 a little. But I suspect that that other people have 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.640 this problem as well, because I don't know if you've 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.400 ever seen, um, people turning inside out in cartoons, like 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.280 kids cartoons, but it happens like more than you think 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.600 it would, like you can dial up horror movies. Besides, 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.880 the other interesting thing about Screamers is that it actually 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.680 I found out years and years later, it doesn't have 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.320 anybody turning inside out in it. It's actually like an 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.960 Italian uh film about fishmen. It stars Joseph Cotton, of 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:08.640 all people. Yeah he was his seminal Italian film actor. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.120 Yeah and um and so yeah, they just like decided 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:13.880 that they were going to distribute it in the US 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.200 with this crazy cover with the guy turned inside out, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.520 and they think they shot something for a trailer that 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.920 I've never seen that has like a dude supposedly turning 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.279 inside out. So it was like a bait and switch 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.840 of turning inside out. But you know, as a kid, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.640 I never really really thought about it or a question 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.360 why in the cover art the guy is inside out 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:37.280 but wearing jeans, like yeah, I think I think I'm 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.480 familiar with this, and he's got a belt and is 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.920 it is it possible that the top is that button 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.599 is undone as well, so it's like he's in partial 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.640 undressed or yeah, like I don't know if he's like, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.440 oh my goodness, I've turned inside out, I'd better throw 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.720 in some jeans or if you like, ingested jeans and 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.520 then turned inside out and that's how con he happens 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.480 to be wearing the jeans correctly. But I didn't think 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.920 about those things right, right. But but no, like you 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.560 look at like children's cartoons like Invader Zim, Are you 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.120 familiar with that one? That was the Nickelodeon show kind 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.560 of Dark because there is a scene where a kid 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.480 gets sucked through a portal and he comes out like 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.560 inside out and then he kind of like you know, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.359 shakes it off and he like flaps it back to normal. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.720 And then there was another Nickelodeon show, Nickelodeon, There's Somebody 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.320 in Nickelodeon was really into turning inside out. Apparently there 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.880 was a show called inside Out Boy about a kid 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.800 who's on the swing. Yeah, have you seen this? I'm 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.919 familiar with it, Okay, I've heard descriptions of it before. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.240 And he like went over he like swung so high 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.680 that he did a complete like three sixty. But it 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.000 turned him inside out. So he's just just like grotesque 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.480 little gut boy walking around, you know. And it's and 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.280 he just I don't know, he has powers or something, 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.839 and it's it's totally fine for for kids. Well yeah, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.680 maybe because it's uh, it's it's sort of a lesson, right, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.800 like don't go too high in your swing, yeah, or 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.920 inside out, and um, it's a neat way maybe to 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.920 work out our fears. But what I want to know is, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.160 could you actually turn yourself inside out and live to 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.240 tell it? Um? I think I figured out pretty early, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.880 and I think most of our listeners will't. We'll realize 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:14.440 that you can't really because the human body is just 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.680 a little too complicated and a little too rugged, you know, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.160 like like basically like for it to happen, you have 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.240 to be like a sock puppet, you know, where you know, 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.440 you could just like when you pull a sock puppet 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:27.800 off or when you pull a sock off your foot 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.240 and it just goes completely inside out. Like we're just 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.400 you know, the human anatomy isn't geared to that to 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.440 living with our organs on the other side, right, and 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.719 any like any you know force that would it would 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.520 even like apply that kind of pressure on the human body. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.400 I mean it would it would you know, you would 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.120 have like total body fragmentation before you had anything of 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.480 that nature happened. We're both too fragile and not rugged 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:57.520 enough to undergo that kind of transformation. Interesting paradox. Yeah, okay, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.160 But just because the human body can't turn completely inside out, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.160 as we all should know, that doesn't mean that this process, 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.720 which is called aversion, uh doesn't exist all over the 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.840 place in the natural world. UM. So you know that's 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.560 what we're gonna talk about today. Just run through some 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.720 of the examples of aversion in animals, um and and 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.200 to eliminated extent with humans and uh, and just how 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.960 amazing and gross it can be. And it's it's it's 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.760 some good grotesque stuff. What's the so what do you 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.080 what one stands out to you? Just right off the 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.560 bat in terms of a very simple process of aversion. Well, 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.480 in human anatomy, you can have, um, the examples of 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:42.640 like like, there's bladder aversion that can happen. And we're 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.080 not gonna got a whole lot of detail on this 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.080 because it's you know, it's kind of gross. It sounds convenient, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.640 though I have to say, yeah, it's It's different from 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.960 bladder evacuation, um, which is rather generally a rather pleasant 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.920 experience as long as you know it's not in your 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.960 pants on a roller coaster or something. But but no, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.120 this is a situation where the bladder, being an internal organ, 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.280 ends up on the outside through a you know, generally 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.480 a naturally occurring orifice. But you can you can also 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.480 have a version occur with injuries where something will get 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:19.240 kind of glooped out to the outside, right um and um. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:21.720 And so yeah, it tends to be like an injury 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.119 or internal trauma type situation. Uh, you know, it becomes 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.480 prolapsed to where it's it's on the outside now and 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.800 it needs to be pushed back in or you know, 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.560 in some way repaired. But but you have a lot 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.040 of animals where a version is just part of like 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.040 their daily routine, just how they go about eating or 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.520 digesting things or defending themselves. So um of those like 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.160 the the c Star is a classic example of that. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:51.040 And if anybody out there watched the Discovery UH and 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:55.640 Slash BBC documentary series Life this year, Uh, they had 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.319 a whole segment where it's c Stars feeding on this 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:03.000 corpse underwater. Their cadaver were not cadaver, just a dead 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.400 seal um. But they spit their stomachs out. They avert 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.680 their stomachs under the outside of their bodies to work 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.120 at the digesting. So it just kind of sucks up 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.600 everything and pulls it back in. Yeah, exactly, which again 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.120 that's convenient. You see yourself at a buffet doing that. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.440 Maybe not you, but yeah, I would. You're not going 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.680 to go to a buffet and then this this same 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.839 it's just you don't you don't get your your money's 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.199 worth out of it, and like you just really pick 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.920 out You're completely right unless you just completely avert your 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.200 your your your stomach you know. Oh and the documentary 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:42.000 series Life also shows these nimmertine worms feeding and they 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.960 actually use they actually have what's called any versible probiscus 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:52.240 and this is just their they're feeding mechanism is completely averted, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.120 and then they just kind of like pump it out 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.280 with these muscles and it's like a snout sort of 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.920 going Yeah, it's like a long snout, but it's basically 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.959 it's about the length of their body, but it's adverted, 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.839 so it's kind of like completely cool. Yeah, it's just 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.080 like completely pulled inside and then they just it's they're 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:12.640 kind of like a party favor, you know, where you 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.800 like blow on it, rhythm kind of like extends, it's 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.040 like that, and then it snaps back, yeah, and then 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.240 they pull it back in. And so that's I think 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:26.000 that's our good examples of getting your food from inversion. 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:32.400 I think uh sharks and raised they are sort of 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.120 doing the opposite, right, like dumping. Yeah, they have this 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.719 thing called gastric aversion, and it's kind of like if 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.560 you're you know you weren't like if you're wearing blue 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.720 jeans and you turn the pocket out to get rid 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.199 of lent and find some loose change. They do the 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.559 same thing with their stomachs out of their mouth, um, 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.480 and you can find videos of it online. It's like 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.520 a real it's like a really quick function, you know, 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.480 because you know your shark, you're you live in a 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.360 dangerous situation. You don't just want to, you know, be 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.600 swimming around owned all day with your stomach hanging out 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.240 your mouth. So they just go it's kind of like 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.800 this quick coolaw and then then it's you know, it's 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.559 out shakes, free some you know, debris, and then it's 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.040 right back in. So it's like ancient Rome for the 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.880 animal kingdom and that there, it's like the vomitorium, except 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.240 that there's no loot playing in the background to cover 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.120 up the noise. Yeah, but it's exactly like like I 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:21.839 think the way I was thinking of it's like with cats. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.120 Like we both know that cats love to puke, you know, 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.599 it's where I don't know if they love it, but 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.439 they do it without it's no big deal. It's just 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.079 a part of their lives. Sometimes you got a puke 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.880 and they do it. So with sharks and rays, puking 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.400 isn't isn't the option, it's gastric aversion. So it's just 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.920 it's no big deal for them, right, and so that 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.839 way they can scoop up even more food rights that right, Okay, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:48.600 And another really cool animal is the vampire squid. Oh yes, yeah, 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.280 tell us about that, because that little creature for large creature, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.720 not quite sure how large it is, it's pretty fascinating. Yeah, 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.280 I'm I'm gonna attempt to make a shot at its 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:04.160 Latin name because it's pretty awesome. Um Vampora toothist infernales. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.480 It's like the the infernal vampire or something uma the 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.839 dark seas. It lives about a half mile deep in 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.680 the ocean, and it has these um, this like webbed 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.160 array of eight inch arms, so you know, it has 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.880 like the the squid arms like your you know, cephalopod 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.600 arms like you typically see, except they're all webb together, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.840 and it looks like a cape like a vampire's cloak. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.360 Perhaps it's very like steam punky looking, I think, yeah, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.440 you can. I can easily imagine like wearing a little 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.559 like top hat and having a you know. But but 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.280 he will do this thing where he goes into a 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:47.160 threat response stance that is sometimes called pumpkin or pineapple posture, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:49.199 which kind of I mean that doesn't sound you know, 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.719 these cools vampire and in infernal you know. But but 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.599 he'll basically take this um, you know, his array of 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.679 arms these web this web array of arms and and 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.760 like pull it back over the rest of his body. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:02.960 So it's kind of like if you were to take 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.600 your lower lip and your upper lip and you were 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.800 able to like stretch your lips back all the way 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.920 over your body until you were just like, you know, 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.959 pink glistening meat. That's kind of what they do. And 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.240 so that's so a predator might go, WHOA, that wasn't 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.680 what I thought it was, right, And also also they 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.400 have these little they're not really spikes, but they have 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.280 these lines of things on the inside. It looked like spikes. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.240 So then when they go into pineapple stands, they look 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:33.840 a little spiky. So again, lad the impale are there? Yeah, yeah, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.800 I think that that's fascinating that you can turn yourself, 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.160 you can essentially shape shift as an animal to say 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.880 to a predator, you know, hey, watch out, or I 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.360 am not what you thought I was. And and one 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.280 of the things that I'm thinking about is the c cucumber. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.480 Oh this is a good one, yeah, which is much 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.599 exalted in Japanese culture, and the c cucumber to me, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.439 cuc where I can see where they got the name, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.320 but it really looks more like a sea sausage. Yeah, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.080 it's it's like you look at it and you can't 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.560 really tell that it's a little I don't know, it's 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.079 it's not the most vibrant of living things, you know, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.560 it's just kind of looks kind of gross and still. Yeah, 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.360 And and it comes into a ton of varieties like that. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.520 Some of them look like they've been oxidized, and some 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:24.000 of them, um look like very psychedelic with warts on them, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.760 not warts. And they're anywhere from like under one inch 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.920 to six and a half feet in length. So in 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.640 terms of um how they're represented out there, there's a 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.400 huge variety. And not all of them do what I'm 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.720 about to talk about, but some of them have a 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:46.240 really interesting defense mechanism. And if you don't mind me 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.000 being so bold, I'll just get right to the point. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:53.960 They can take their internal organs and jettison them from 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:58.520 their anus. That's and this is of course a trick 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.360 best performed when you can read inter rate said organs right, 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.680 exactly right. You don't want to lose organs unless you 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.160 can get them back in about a week to four 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.160 weeks or something like that. But the reason why I 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.520 think that is so fascinating. Is that to me? Like, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.480 that's the ultimate bow up movement that you might have 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.280 like in a bar fight. You know, if you if 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.320 you were able to expel your internal organs for your 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:25.080 anus and just splat them on your opponent. I mean 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.520 to me, that's pretty intimidating. Yeah, I would think. So. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.840 I've run across other, you know, situations where an animal 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.160 have some for response like that, Like there's um they're 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.080 like there are different animals that like to go into 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.360 a defensive posture. They either like vomit blood or they 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.120 I think there's a frog that actually um like fractures 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.200 some of its bones and like it creates compound fractures. 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.040 Yeah you know, um yeah, but any of those techniques 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.400 if you were to pull that on Marta on the 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.360 local transit system, if you were threatened, I mean, I 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.680 don't think anybody would message oh no, yeah, everybody would 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.840 move out of the car for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Have 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.320 maybe like the one person that was still asleep, Yeah, 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.640 I'm fortunate for them. But this, this uh, what's also 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.880 called the sea slug the c cucumber, is just pretty 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.080 fascinating in the sense that really does embody all those 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.800 shape shifting elements to it. It also can collapse itself, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.080 which is really cool, the collagen fibers of it and 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.880 pretty much the liquefy itself and go through cracks. And 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.600 I mean again, that's an incredible shape shifting talent. I 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.200 love to have that. Yeah. So it's not just a 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.360 sea sausage. They're just sitting on the ocean floor. Actin 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.360 like a bottom dweller has a rich life. Yeah. And 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.920 if you think it's gross before you start messing with it, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.040 just wait until it has to like run away. It's 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.720 gonna possibly shoot out its organs and and then turn 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:51.280 into a liquid. That's yeah, that's right, de materialized. Yeah, 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.200 and I was actually not I wasn't aware of before today, 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.440 just how how much of a role it apparently plays 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.360 in Japanese culture, Like I didn't know. I guess I 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:00.960 knew on some level that you could eat it because 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.560 I think I've seen it on menus Like, have you 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.440 ever had it anywhere? I have not. I think I 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.880 have as well seen it on menus um and I'm 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.200 thinking of Sushia. It could be completely wrong, but that's 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.680 what I'm thinking about. And I guess it's a huge 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.680 delicacy in Japan. Yeah, I think, uh, I think, you know, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.480 I I now, I do remember where I saw it. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.560 There's like a they're these little hot pot restaurants. It's 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.719 like a Chinese thing where you have this. It's kind 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.560 of like fon do, except you have a little pot 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.159 to cook your pile of vegetables and and one of 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.160 the meats that is available, I believe is cea cucumber. Wow. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.639 I did not have it. A friend of mine had it, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.560 and he I don't think he said he liked it, 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.080 but he I think he said it was interesting. And 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.800 it's uh also again referred to as sea slug. So 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.280 you've you've got sea slug fon do. Yeah, it just 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.000 doesn't it doesn't, you know, roll off the tongue is 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.560 sounding quite delicious. But that and I think it's called 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.520 sea slug because cucumber is not really translatable. Um from 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:04.440 Japanese East English, which I think is in the book. 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.240 What is it it called? Again, it's very it's just 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:15.719 oh it's called namacomo. Yeah yeah. Yeah. Because we are 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.520 in researching this, we both ran across the same book. Um, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.040 there's a it's called Risey Sea Slugs by Robin D. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:27.520 Gil and h it is a book about sea slug haiku. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:32.360 There are one thousand hi q about sea slugs. See 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.040 that's just I mean, I really had to look at 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:35.600 it against them, like this is a joke. This is 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.639 some joke entry on Amazon, like back in the day 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.000 when people would put fake movies on IMDb, Like this 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.399 is just somebody's making this up. But it's it's legit. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.119 It's like they're that important in uh, you know, in 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.000 in understanding like Japanese culture. Yeah, they're that celebrated. And 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.320 what I like about is that the sections are defined 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.760 by its various traits I guess as as we humans 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.560 see it. And a couple of sections are um in 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:05.920 the order of scatological, uh, melancholy. Um. There are a 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.760 couple other ones in there, but you have to understand 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.960 that um. The book is not only just celebrating the 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.439 humble c cucumber, but it's also sort of talking about 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:22.080 of the culture itself and how it is expressing itself 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.960 through its love of the sea slug. Yeah, like there 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.520 was and this makes perfect sense now that I you know, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.639 once I've I've read it. But there's a point in 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.800 the book where they're talking about comparisons between this act 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.240 of aversion that the c that the c cucumber performs 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.719 with its guts, comparing that to the like the traditional um, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.600 you know, samurai act of sefuku um and maybe saying 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.520 that wrong and then the westernized version of that is 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.960 what Harry carry um and you know, so there are 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.679 obvious similarities between you know, this this creature expelling its 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.040 organs to escape of you know, danger, comparing that to say, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.560 a shame you know samurai if somebody you know, basically 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:09.560 visrating themselves with a knife in order to save face. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.119 so yes, that's the honor thing is a very interesting 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.840 to bring up and to relate that back. Do you 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.240 have one of the hiku a translation of the hiku? Yes, idea, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:19.760 I hope, Well you have to read that so people 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.720 will get Well, this one is from seventy one, and 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.600 I feel like it's still very relatable now. And it 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:31.000 is from a writer whose name was Joe and I'm 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:35.040 pronouncing that right. And it is a few drinks and 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:40.640 I am a cea slug out of water. Oh that's 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:45.160 that's that's actually really pretty yeah. And also I feel like, uh, 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.639 in terms of of our predilection for maybe over extending 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:53.080 ourselves with libations. It's it's still rings true today. There 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.399 are times when after a few drinks, I feel that 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.920 I am out of water as well. Well, some of 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.320 the ones I found we're a little more grotesque. Um 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:05.680 like this is one here, life's hard, no doubt. Sea 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:10.000 slugs end up inside out. I love it. Oh and 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.680 then there's this one sea slugs their guts are made 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:19.159 to swim one days. It's a reminder. Yeah, and of 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.639 course these are translations, so we can't really experience the 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:27.000 true beauty of of you know, C cucumber aversion poetry. No, no, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.160 but I would say that. I mean, the holidays are 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.800