1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Nancy Mace was caught on video 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: locking lips with another woman. We have such a great 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: show for you today, talking points memos. Josh Marshall stops 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: by to preview a hint of the next Trump administration. 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: It's going to be a mess. 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Rolling Stone's own Noah Shachman about 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: Eric adams desperate plans to suck up to Trump and 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: the mockery that has ensued. 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 3: But first the news Smiley, Well, get to talk about 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: this fun fellow. RK Jr. I want to first ask 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: you something, though. Did you ever take like those Sassy 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: personality quizzes when we were teenagers. 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Sassy and Jane, the two magazines that shaped both of 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: our personalities. 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: It is true, you know, my high school girlfriend really 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: loved giving me a personality to test to see if 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: I was the one, and it turned out I was not. Anyway. 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: RFK Junior I think also was a fan of these 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: because he has a personality test. He's calling it an 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 3: application to work under him at the HHS. It is psychotic. 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so it's unclear where the test originated, but probably 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: Jane Magazine, but it was like by Puff News and 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: PUP can confirm they claim they can confirm the Trump 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: team that Kennedy is using this to bet potential employees. 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: One section reviewed by The Independent asks applicants to pick 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: three or four moods. 29 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: Or attitudes that suit them. 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: By the way, this is so la, I require excessive admiration, 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: I don't have much interest in a sexual experience. 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: With another person. 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: Super normal questions when one wants to work in the 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: United States government. One option offers I believe in things 35 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: many don't like, having a sixth sense, clairvoyance and telepathy. 36 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: As an adolescent, I had bizarre fantasies or preoccupations. Our 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: entire government is going to be filled with sociopaths when 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: this is over. Those things actually do seem to be 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: criteria for schizotypal personality disorder and also, or perhaps instead, 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: narcissistic personality disorder, laid out in the Diagnostic and Statistical 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Manual otherwise known as the DSM fifth Edition. 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: What I really like is I really feel like RFK 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: Junior The answers that he would like are much more 44 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: different than with the Project twenty twenty five. Heritage Foundation 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: philistines would like like when they're asking, like, if you 46 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: believe that too much tax money goes to support ours? 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: I think RFK loves an artist. I think he likes 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: to have a groovy little retreat and then you know, 49 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: poetry something I could see him liking. But the philistines 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: at the Heritage Foundation know, and I think this is 51 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: a recipe for disaster of what freaks and weirdos are 52 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: going to be mixing together in this and a minute. 53 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: So let's take a minute to sort of just talk 54 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: about this. Heritage has a plan Project twenty twenty five. 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: You got people like the one surviving Cooke brother, these 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Republican donors have a plan and it does not involve clairvoyance. 57 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: It does not involve OURFK Junior at all. In fact, 58 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: and I think there we're going to really see a 59 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: collision course here pretty quickly. But what Jesse's talking about 60 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: here is one of the options on this personality test 61 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: is believe. 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 2: That too much money goes to support. 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: Artists, does not like poetry, and tries to avoid complex people. 64 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: I think this is going to be wild I'll. 65 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: Say so, it's almost gonna be as wild as when 66 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: Robert F. Kennedy Junior goes to Warwi corn syrup. 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: Oh yes, let's talk about this because look, one of 68 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: the totally fascinating and amazing things about URFK Junior, besides 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: the fact that he's totally sold out to Magas, he's 70 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: still at least ostensibly pretends to believe in these things. 71 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: So he wants to ban food coloring. He wants to 72 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: ban well. 73 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: The food coloring already got banned this week by the 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: Biden administration. 75 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: Well, good for the Biden deministration, but Kennedy does want 76 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: to go further ban corn syrup, all sorts of different 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: kind of You know, I think the VAX stuff is crazy, 78 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: but certainly some of this stuff really aligns with my values, 79 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, corn syrup, chemicals and food, et cetera, et cetera. 80 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: I hear you're a big one on putting the cocaine 81 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: back in Coca cola. 82 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: Yes, also want the cocaine and coca cola very good. 83 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: People in AI love cocaine and their joke. 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: So what's interesting here is that Kennedy, well also being 85 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: anti vax, really does have some reasonable opinions, and he's 86 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: going to run smack into Heritage Foundation and that crew 87 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: because that crew does not want to make food healthier. 88 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: They do not want to remove preservatives, and in fact, 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: a lot of them are sort of the factory farming types, 90 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: and that you know, for example, like if you think 91 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: about the Koch Brothers do plastics and paper products and 92 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's both bad for the environment 93 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: and also leaches chemicals into farming. 94 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: So I think this is good. 95 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: We're going to see things really quickly collide here. 96 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, top Trump downer Dick Euleen, who makes some of 97 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: the most wasteful products. 98 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: I was just thinking about the Eulens. 99 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's going to go real, real 100 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: well with him, but his donations. Yeah yeah, I can't 101 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: wait to see the shit show unfold. Yeah, so let's 102 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 3: actually talk about these food dyes that were bad. You 103 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: and I have actually done a segment on this while back, 104 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: and yeah, it looks like there's some major milestones for 105 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: chemical safety happening here. 106 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: This is actually really good. 107 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: Biden Harris administration is banning two cancer causing chemicals. It's 108 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: a major milestone for chemical safety and it's this bipartisan 109 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: Toxic Substance Control Act, and there's no to use any 110 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: of these chemicals. So one is that causes liver cancer, 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: kidney cancer, non Hodgkins lymphoma, and it is being phased out, 112 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: and the other one is solvent in cleaning products. They're 113 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: both going to be phased out unless Trump decides to 114 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: bring them back, which, if we know Donald Trump, is 115 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: certainly well within the range of possibility. That said, if 116 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: it does happen, Trump will probably have to fight with 117 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: RFK Junior, which will be a completely fascinating and bizarre 118 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: dynamic that none of us are coming. 119 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: Speaking of Donald Trump, yeah. 120 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: He's inheriting quite the economy from President Joe Biden, and 121 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: much like what happened when he got an economy from 122 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: Barack Obama. And I can't wait to see what he 123 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: does with it. With these terroriffs, Yeah. 124 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: They're luckiest man in America otherwise known as Donald Trump, 125 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: is now going to inherit an economy that should be 126 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: pretty great. Inflation has dropped from nine point one in 127 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: June twenty two to two point six percent. The economy 128 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: includes a steady increase in jobs and arise in the 129 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: stock market. This country has an absolute debt problem, and 130 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: that's going to be a problem. But luckily Donald Trump 131 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: will solve the federal debt by giving tax cuts to 132 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: billionaires in corporation. 133 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: Can't wait. 134 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 4: Let me just tell you, counting the. 135 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: Days and also cutting Social Security and medicair, cutting food 136 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: stamps will make up the shortfall. 137 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: Josh Marshall is the editor of Talking Points. 138 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 5: Memo. 139 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics. 140 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: Josh Marshall, thanks for having me. 141 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: Very You're welcome, very subdued. It may not be good. 142 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 6: No, I'm totally charged up. That was just me in 143 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 6: like in whatever mode before you turn it on. 144 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 4: I'm totally ready. 145 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: Okay, good, well, let's go. It's so great election. Things 146 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: went really good. 147 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 148 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: By the way, for two seconds, I was wrong about 149 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: this election and spent all this time writing. 150 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: Pieces about how I was wrong and. 151 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: Sort of going on, you know, going to DC talking 152 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: to members of Congress saying like I got this so wrong? 153 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: What did you see in You're you. 154 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: Know, like a full of apology tour mode. 155 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: Not quite, but you know, just sort of like what 156 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,559 Speaker 2: did I miss? How do I get this so wrong? 157 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: And what were the factors that got me making such 158 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: bad decisions. I was like, everyone else is probably doing 159 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: this too, you know what everyone else. 160 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: Was doing saying they were right all along, yes. 161 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: And then everyone else was wrong. 162 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 163 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 6: I mean it's one thing for people who are in 164 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 6: I don't know, for lack of a better word, sort 165 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 6: of like you know, kind of commentary, here's what's happening, 166 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 6: here's what I think might happen next. And then there's 167 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 6: the people who have like a kind of like an angle, right, 168 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 6: an ideological angle, personnel angle, all this kind of stuff. 169 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 6: And to me, one of the worst things about when 170 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 6: a group or coalition or whatever suffers a political defeat, 171 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 6: the first reflex of most people is to say I 172 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 6: was obviously right all along, thank you very much, thank you. 173 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I think I was wrong 174 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: about this. 175 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: I was wrong about that, and literally everyone else is like, no, 176 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: this person was wrong. I mean, like nobody is going 177 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: to just say, well, maybe I had some priors, et cetera. 178 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 2: Et cetera. 179 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 7: Yeah. 180 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, first of all, maybe it is an 181 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 6: overhang of a mix of people responding to the twenty 182 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 6: sixteen election and the many and very merited reckonings that 183 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 6: society was going through after things that happened in twenty 184 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 6: eighteen and nineteen and twenty twenty and so on and 185 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 6: so forth. But we have sort of grafted in now 186 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 6: about elections, this whole culture of reckonings. You got to 187 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 6: have a reckoning, you know, like okay, like not totally. 188 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, some political party has to lose. 189 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 6: And one of the things that has been sort of 190 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 6: foundational for me for as long as I've been thinking 191 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 6: about politics is is that every losing campaign is run 192 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 6: by idiots. 193 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: That is like doctrine, right, And. 194 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 6: People have a very hard time holding in their head 195 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 6: or you know, kind of keeping in their mind at 196 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 6: the same time that you can have run a really 197 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 6: solid election and lose, and that's just a reality. So 198 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 6: I don't know, I'm certainly this was a result I 199 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 6: did not want. And what I would say is that 200 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 6: I did find it unlikely that the polls would miss 201 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 6: some Trump strength for the third time in a row. 202 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 6: That did not seem likely to me. And frankly, I 203 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 6: think there was good reasons to think it was not likely. 204 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 6: And yet here you know, and yet here we are. 205 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 4: You know. 206 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 6: It was a slight difference, but it was a difference, 207 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 6: and you know, and here we are. 208 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really so exactly important. And I 209 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: had the same sort of thing. I also do think 210 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: we find ourselves in a moment like this selection. 211 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: What I think is interesting about this election is. 212 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: That Trump really did overperform. He was able to make 213 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: the case to people. He was able to say, you're angry, 214 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to make things cheaper, with almost no evidence 215 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: to support this idea at all. But like in twenty sixteen, 216 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: and again you can say there are other factors, but 217 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, Republicans, you know, had like this forty 218 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: or fifty seat majority in the House of Representatives, like 219 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: they really you know, they had state houses. I mean 220 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: I remember being at events where people were talking through 221 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: what had happened, and you know, they were I remember 222 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: seeing a graphic of like Democrats not controlling any state, 223 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, just as like, like clearly everyone had just 224 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: fucking dropped the ball when it came to state legislator, 225 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: when it came to this, when it came to that, 226 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: that's not what happened this time. 227 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 4: Not at all. 228 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 6: And you know, there was one of the many illustrious 229 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 6: TPM alums out there is Brian Boiler who I'm sure 230 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 6: many of your listeners are familiar with. And one thing 231 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 6: that Brian said sometime in twenty sixteen I can't remember, 232 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 6: and it stuck with me because I thought it was 233 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 6: true at the time, and it ended up being truer than, 234 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 6: you know, than one would have hoped. But that was 235 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 6: that the twenty sixteen campaign and Hillary Clinton's role in 236 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 6: it was basically a single point of failure proposition. Everything 237 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 6: was looking good, but if Hillary lost, suddenly things looked 238 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 6: extremely bad because, as you said, Republicans not only controlled 239 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 6: Congress but controlled it by sizable margins. They had spent 240 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 6: the Obama years building up these, you know, huge majorities, 241 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 6: far less contested than they should have been in state houses, 242 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 6: and for all of those reasons, as you say, that 243 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 6: is not none of those are the case right now. 244 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 6: And you know, as we know, elections are binary. You know, 245 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 6: you can lose the presidency by one vote, and there 246 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 6: can be stuff with the popular vote. In electoral college, 247 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 6: only one person gets the pen, right, and that's where 248 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 6: we are, and at least nominally it is that way 249 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 6: in Congress. And that's this is why among the many 250 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 6: reasons when we think about elections, there's the nature of 251 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 6: an election, and there's the consequences of an election, and 252 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 6: the consequences of this election are pretty clear. He's president, 253 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 6: and that is very bad, if there's anybody listening who's 254 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 6: not pugged in on that front. But the election itself, yeah, yeah, 255 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 6: the election itself, Democrats did quite well kind of almost 256 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 6: everywhere else, right, It's important to remember that, not to 257 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 6: kind of say, well, Donald Trump isn't totally president or 258 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 6: something like he's one hundred percent president. But you can 259 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 6: also see that strength in other areas, and that is 260 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 6: that's really important to understand for you know, following elections 261 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 6: and the underlying strength that Trump has and that's why 262 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 6: they've gone so hogwild with this you know, overwhelming double 263 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 6: overwhelming landslide victory and there's never been anything like it, 264 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 6: which is nonsense. And again it's not a matter of 265 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 6: seeing some silver law. The reason that's important is that 266 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 6: his he he, You do not have a public out 267 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 6: there that is like, go for it, bro, you know, 268 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 6: eighty percent of the populations behind you. 269 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 4: It's not like that at all. 270 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 6: That and that is important for having some visibility into 271 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 6: what's going to happen over the next couple of years. 272 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: It was a low turnout election, which also I feel 273 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: like we don't necessarily talk about like if Harris had 274 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: gotten the same numbers that Biden had gotten in twenty twenty, 275 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: she would have won. 276 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, certainly if she'd gotten the same number of votes. 277 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 6: I mean it, you know, I saw there was one 278 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 6: one of these publications, maybe it was even ny con 279 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 6: at times, if someone wrote a piece basically saying that 280 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 6: you know, don't assume that you know, those twenty twenty Democrats, 281 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 6: if they had shown up, would have voted for Kamala Harris, 282 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,479 Speaker 6: And to me, that goes without saying it just inasmuch 283 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 6: as if they really wanted Kamala Harris to win, they 284 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 6: would have showed up, right, I mean, that's sort of 285 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 6: the point. 286 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 4: There's a reason. 287 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 6: I mean, we can infer a lot by the fact 288 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 6: that they did not show up. And I think what 289 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 6: we the proper thing to infer is they didn't care 290 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 6: that much, which is pretty close to voting against right. 291 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 6: So it's not like, you know, we can't go too 292 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 6: far into inferring those numbers. However, this is why you 293 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 6: need to keep your coalition on side and energized and 294 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 6: all that stuff, and it wasn't. 295 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 4: So you know, she lost. 296 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 6: There's no getting around that. The oddity of this election 297 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 6: is that you would have in most elections in history, 298 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 6: you would have expected Republicans to maybe pick up twenty 299 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 6: or thirty House seats to get closer to you know, 300 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 6: maybe sort of fifty five Senate seats, maybe even a 301 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 6: couple more because it translates over into house stuff, and 302 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 6: it didn't. And that's odd and odd in an encouraging 303 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 6: way for Democrats, not for Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, 304 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 6: especially not for Joe Biden. 305 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, can you talk to me about what it looks 306 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: like with this question of what happens next with like 307 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: protecting the norms and institutions, because that's the thing I 308 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: think about so much, right, Like Trump, you know, he's 309 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: trying to sell that he has a mandate whatever, but 310 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: you know he doesn't really care, right, I mean, he 311 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: just basically does what he wants. So it feels like 312 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: this is going to be a game of inches again, 313 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: like just trying desperately to get Republicans to do their jobs. 314 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: Is that your take? I mean, what do you think? 315 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: I think that's basically right? 316 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 6: You know, we don't know what limits they are going 317 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 6: to try to push. They could try to push all 318 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 6: of them at once. You know, one constraint on Donald 319 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 6: Trump is energy. He tends to and this is you know, 320 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 6: I'm kind of a compatriot of his in this sense. 321 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 6: A little hard time focusing me too, Yeah, on any 322 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 6: one thing for very long, and that is a constraint. 323 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 6: So but you know, big picture, I do think it 324 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 6: will be a game of it, and one that at 325 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 6: least at the beginning that the good guys will be 326 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 6: losing more inches than they're. 327 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 4: Gaining, but still a game of inches. 328 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 6: You said one thing about, you know, kind of trying 329 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 6: to get Republicans to do their jobs. I actually and 330 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 6: maybe this is a cock guide optimism. 331 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: You sound like you're about to engage in cock guide optimism. 332 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 6: No, no, it's actually something. It's actually something a little different. 333 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 6: When I think about a Susan Collins or a Joni Ernst, 334 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 6: a Senator till Us down in North Carolina, I don't 335 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 6: want to be trying to get them to do their job. 336 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 6: I want people in those states and around the country 337 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 6: to be saying, give it your all, because we cannot 338 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 6: wait to run against you in twenty twenty six, So 339 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 6: load yourself down with absolutely as many as many crazy 340 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 6: votes because we we can't wait. You know, begging is 341 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 6: not a great thing in life, but begging is not 342 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 6: a great thing in politics. That's why they call it 343 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 6: begging when you're not coming from a position of strength. 344 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: And in twenty six we'll see Susan Collins will be 345 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: up again, and so well. 346 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: Tom tell Us, Tom Tillis, and I believe is earnstuff 347 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six. 348 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: I think she is as such, maybe she is. 349 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 6: In any case, I'm sure a lot of people are thinking, 350 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 6: good luck, that's Iowa. You know, there was that whole 351 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 6: kind of thing we got into a few weeks ago 352 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 6: about that largely was discussed in terms of trans politics, 353 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 6: but there was that article by Adam Gentilsen in you know, 354 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 6: a Times column, and one thing he said in that piece, 355 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 6: which I think was to me was the really important 356 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 6: piece is super majority thinking is you need to have 357 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 6: one part of your brain not just thinking how you 358 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 6: get to fifty one percent, but how you get to 359 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 6: fifty eight percent? Right, and very tall order winning a 360 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 6: Senate seat in Iowa. But you are not going to 361 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 6: get to supermajorities without thinking about tall orders and thinking 362 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 6: in advance what you're going to do over the next 363 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 6: two years in that state to make that a possibility, likelihood, 364 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 6: but a possibility. That is the kind of advanced thinking 365 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 6: you start to do. You know, there's that scene in 366 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 6: Apollo thirteen that I think about a lot, when they 367 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 6: have just found out that they have this wrecked spacecraft, 368 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 6: what like three hundred thousand miles away halfway to the 369 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 6: moon and they need to figure out how to fix it. 370 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 6: It's a crazy situation, but that's where they are. And 371 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 6: they dump out that box right where they have the 372 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 6: tubes and a couple gaskets and stuff, and like, this 373 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 6: is the stuff they have in the think, this is 374 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 6: what we have to work with, and this is kind 375 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 6: of where we are, and sort of like we need 376 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 6: a box for Iowa, and we need a box for 377 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 6: Main and we need a box for North Carolina. And 378 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 6: you need people thinking of you know, because tariffs are 379 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 6: not great for farmers. 380 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 4: Right. 381 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 6: The point is this is a corollary of the fifty 382 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 6: state strategy. 383 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 4: What do you need to start doing now to make 384 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 4: it possible you actually. 385 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 6: Win back the Senate in twenty twenty six, because you know, 386 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 6: you lose every game you don't show up for. But 387 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 6: on the other point, with Joni Earnst, with that in mind, 388 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 6: I want her to kind of like, you know, just 389 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 6: chain herself to Donald Trump because I want as many 390 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 6: as many terrifhotes to run some candidate's going to run 391 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 6: against her in twenty twenty six. 392 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: And like Susan. 393 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 6: Collins, I don't want anybody begging Susan Collins because that's like, 394 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 6: that's not dignified. 395 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 4: We know who she is. So say, Susan, go for it. 396 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 4: You're innerle outwater, Susan. We can't wait. 397 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: The one thing that I would say is when we 398 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: talk about protecting norms and institutions, for example, like Cash Patel, right, 399 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: nobody needs to protect norms and institutions from Marco Rubio. 400 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: Right. 401 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: You may not love him, but he's not going to 402 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: turn the secretary of State. 403 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 6: I mean, you don't even have to protect the weight 404 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 6: machine from Marco Roup exactly. 405 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 4: Come on. 406 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: But I mean and Pam BONDI, you know, not the sharpest, 407 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: but she certainly will be fine. But the question is 408 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: like Cash Patel, will Cash Patel eroade norms? 409 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: I mean it seems very likely. 410 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 4: It's an absolute given. 411 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: I mean he's promising to yeah, and. 412 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 4: I mean, look, these things tend to be harder to do. 413 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: Talk is cheap. 414 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 6: This is one of the reasons I like Adamkinzinger's response 415 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 6: to like, oh, we're going to jail the jan six committee, 416 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 6: people like bring it on, dude, Like, okay, let's let's 417 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 6: see bro because the problem we have I think in 418 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 6: a lot of cases, and yes, things could get terrible, 419 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 6: things could get terrible, and some things will get terrible, 420 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 6: and it's possible that all things will get terrible. But 421 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 6: terrible is often harder than it seems on paper, just 422 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 6: as doing good things are a lot harder then it 423 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 6: seems on paper. And what I think the opponents of 424 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 6: Donald Trump often end up living within the space created 425 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 6: by his threats, which basically means that he can, you know, 426 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 6: occupy a lot of ground with talk. There is this 427 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 6: you know, balance that people have to maintain between. On 428 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 6: the one hand, it's not a matter of pie in 429 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 6: the sky thinking or everything's going to be fine, but 430 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 6: it's saying yeah, that's bad. I'm going to think it's 431 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 6: real when I actually see you doing it, not when 432 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 6: you're mouthing off to Kirsten Welker or something. 433 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. 434 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just talking to Mark Ollias about 435 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: this idea that it is like very important to stand 436 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: up to bullies. I'm thinking of myself as like not 437 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: very brave because I'm very cowardly. 438 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: But that would get you there. 439 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: It would do it. 440 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: But you know, with my grandfather, like he went to jail, 441 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: refused to name names, went to jail, there's something about 442 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: having that as a precedent where you're kind of like, like, 443 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, obviously none of us want to go to jail, 444 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: but like you kind of were like, oh, you know, 445 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: you can do stuff like that. He wasn't so brave either. 446 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I knew him. He was complicated. 447 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: You kind of like you have to like suspend your 448 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: disbelief almost to believe in yourself as a brave person. 449 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 450 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 4: I mean, look, there's or at least I do. 451 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 6: For one thing, there's physical bravery and moral there's you know, 452 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 6: physical courage and moral courage and not the same thing. 453 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 6: And you know, one of the things they say is 454 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 6: that you know kind of well it's to extreme. An example, 455 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 6: everybody's probably capable of more than they think. And it's 456 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 6: important to take things one step at a time, because 457 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 6: what is absolutely true is that talk is cheap, and 458 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 6: you cannot know anything about Donald Trump's, you know, kind 459 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 6: of fifty years in the public eye without knowing that 460 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 6: most of him is talk and most of what he 461 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 6: gets is based on talk. And so especially with him, 462 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 6: you want to say, I want to see what's going 463 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 6: to be on the table besides talk, because I'm skeptical 464 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 6: that you've got a lot more than talk. And that's 465 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 6: not the same as saying everything's going to be fine, 466 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 6: because he's got a lot of power now, he has 467 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 6: people who will do things on his behalf. But it's 468 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 6: never a good thing to be over odd. Even if 469 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 6: you're going to go down in flames. It's good to 470 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 6: not be over awed while it's happening. 471 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you. 472 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 4: John, thank you, thank you, thank you, Molly. 473 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: Noah Shackman is a contributor to Rolling Stone and a 474 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: former editor in chief of Rolling Stone and The Daily Beast. 475 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Noah Shackman, Hi, we got 476 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: to talk about our city. I'm going to pay you 477 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: the picture here last week I'm on television with your 478 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: friend and mine worst mayor of New York He says, 479 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: we know who it is, right, and he even said 480 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: that later on PIXE. 481 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: Eleven, we know who it is, but we're not going 482 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 2: to say because we don't want to give him the 483 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: heads up. You think the mayor knew who it was? 484 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 7: Sure seems to conflict with existing reporting that the person 485 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 7: was discovered. This guy, Luigi Menjoni, was discovered at the 486 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 7: last minute. Now it's possible the mayor knew something we didn't, 487 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 7: or it's possible that you know the mayor's writing this 488 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 7: reporting is wrong. However, the mayor sometimes I don't mean 489 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 7: to shock you, Molly, I don't mean to shock you 490 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 7: fast policy ticks nation, But the Mayor of New York City, 491 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 7: Eric Adams, is not always the most truthful individual. 492 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: What what. 493 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: One of the things I love about our mayor is 494 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: that he's both always late for everything and also says 495 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: insane things like shees is like Heroin. 496 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 7: He said that he also counseled parents to look for 497 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 7: cocaine in their children's Teddy Bears and backpacks. That video 498 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 7: is amazing, Yeah, it's incredible. He's also talked about the 499 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 7: magic crystals underneath the New York City. He's quite a guy. 500 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: Explain to us what is happening right now in New 501 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: York City. 502 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: They've caught Luigi, probably through no fault of their own. 503 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: I want you to give us, like the mayor is 504 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: still under federal indictment, where do his legal troubles find him? 505 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: Right now? 506 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 7: They did find this shooting suspect, and I think there 507 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 7: was a fair amount of good police work done here. 508 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 7: I mean, look, they had to scrub through hours and 509 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 7: hours and thousands of hours of footage to get decent 510 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 7: pictures of the guy, and those decent pictures wound up 511 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 7: shogging the memory of this McDonald's guy in Altoona, Pennsylvania, 512 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 7: and that's how he was caught. So I mean, I 513 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 7: wouldn't say, like, you know, look, the NYPD threw everything 514 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 7: at it. Not all of it worked. The majority of 515 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 7: it didn't work, but some of it did, and it 516 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 7: eventually led to this guy getting caught. Look, I thought 517 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 7: once it had come out that this guy had left 518 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 7: New York and was in the wind, I figured he 519 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 7: was gone forever. So I mean, I guess I'm a 520 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 7: little pleasantly surprised that he was caught. That's my two 521 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 7: cents about police work. But look, and now, in terms 522 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 7: of the mayor, who himself is the target of not one, 523 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 7: not two, not three, not four, not five, but six 524 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 7: separate investigations, I should say, the mayor and his inner circle, 525 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 7: five of them federal that we know of, and one 526 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 7: local that we know of. You know, he is still 527 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 7: very much an object of interest to a lot of investigators, 528 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 7: both for his financial dealings in his various campaigns, his 529 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 7: relationships to members of or emissaries of various foreign governments, 530 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 7: and also because it seems like a lot of his 531 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 7: top deputies engaged in some behavior that sure seems like 532 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 7: they may have been on the take. So you know, 533 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 7: he's still got a significant amount of legal exposure himself. 534 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: Right, But he is not resigning. In fact, he seems 535 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: as if he is just going to malign our justice 536 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: system instead of resigning. 537 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: So walk me through what happens next. 538 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 7: Right, Well, so first, just a little bit of context 539 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 7: for those listeners west of the Hudson River. The mayor 540 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 7: when he was indicted basically for illegal campaign donations for 541 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 7: some bribery, you know, like you do, he said, that 542 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 7: it was all retaliation for him not going along with 543 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 7: the Biden administration's immigration plan. 544 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't even mean anything, right, because what 545 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: was the Biden administration's deportation plan? 546 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 7: Right? Right? 547 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 4: Well? 548 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 7: No, I mean he was basically he was an early 549 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 7: critic of Biden on immigration, and his implication was that 550 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 7: this was somehow retaliation. There's no evidence, by the way 551 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 7: to back that up his theory of the case. Shall 552 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 7: we say, he doubled down on it when Hunter Biden 553 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 7: received a pardon, and he said, see, everybody now agrees 554 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 7: that the Biden Justice Department is politicized and therefore is 555 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 7: politicized against me, and therefore if Hunter Biden got a parton, 556 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 7: so should I. That's what he's been saying. It has 557 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 7: not been lost on Politico's left and right that a 558 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 7: lot of his rhetoric seems to echo more and more 559 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 7: the rhetoric of our incoming president, mister Trump, and by 560 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 7: all observers seem to think that the mayor is angling 561 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 7: for a pardon. The people who think that he is 562 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 7: angling for a pardon include Donald J. Trump himself, our friend, 563 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 7: friend of the pods. When SUP saying, and I did 564 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 7: a story last week for Rolling Stone about how Trump 565 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 7: and the members of his inner circle have been laughing 566 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 7: about how hard a quote unquote thirsty. Eric Adams is 567 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 7: campaigning for a pardon, and at one point suggested that 568 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 7: perhaps the mayor would start wearing a Maga hat to 569 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 7: his press conferences. So far, that has not happened. 570 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: Amazing. Eventually he's going to go to corn, right. 571 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 7: I don't think it's clear what's going to happen yet. 572 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 7: He's got a trial scheduled for April twenty first. Currently, 573 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 7: his lawyer, Alex Spiro, who was Elon Musk's lawyer. His 574 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 7: lawyer wants to actually move the trial date up to 575 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 7: the first of April or thereabouts. And then what's going 576 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 7: to happen with his other investigations I think is very unclear, 577 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 7: very very unclear. Trump has named a new attorney for 578 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 7: the Southern District of New York who's actually, by Trump standards, 579 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 7: are relatively straight shooting, and so it's entirely possible the 580 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 7: cases go on. It's entirely possible that this one case 581 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 7: goes on, but that all the other investigations kind of 582 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 7: go away. It's really unclear at this moment. Eric Adams 583 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 7: is like top person is a woman named Ingrid. Ingrid 584 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 7: Marton herself has been the target of federal investigators, and 585 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 7: after she had her phone seized in the fall, she 586 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 7: went on the radio call in show of her defense attorney, 587 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 7: as one does, as one does, and she said on 588 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 7: that show that while they may have done some crime, 589 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 7: it wasn't merely to the scale that should be investigated. 590 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: I love that. 591 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 7: So her defense was like, we only crimed a little. 592 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: I mean, who among us? 593 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 4: Yes? 594 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 7: Go on that defense attorney is now rumored to be 595 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 7: named as the US Attorney for the Eastern District of 596 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 7: New York for Brooklyn. So good times. 597 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, just like politically for a minute, the mayor is 598 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: running for reelection. 599 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 7: Next year, correct, as a Democrat. 600 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: So far he's going to have this trial. He will 601 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: either get convicted or get a pardon. Do you think 602 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: he's going. 603 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: To run again? 604 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, he's definitely. 605 00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: Oh interesting. 606 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 7: I think there's a fair chance that even if he 607 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 7: loses the Democratic primary, which is pretty early, I think 608 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 7: it's in June. Yeah, I think there's some chance he 609 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 7: runs as an independent. 610 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: What do you think happens here? Like, does the trial happen? 611 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: Sooner rather than later. Sketch out what you think the 612 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: timetable looks like, and make as many guesses as you want, 613 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: because if you're wrong, I promised to not remind you 614 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: about it one hundred times. 615 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 616 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 7: Look, at the risk of being a bad pundit, I 617 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 7: don't want to predict too much, but I will say that, 618 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 7: like the trial is set for late April, it could 619 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 7: move up to early April. Then there's a primary not 620 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 7: that long afterwards in June. But here's the thing. There's 621 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 7: a bunch of people running in that primary, which is 622 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 7: very unusual for New York to have a sitting mayor 623 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 7: challenge like this. But a lot of them have very 624 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 7: similar politics. They're all to the left of them, and 625 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 7: a lot of them, I would say, are absolute people 626 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 7: you would want to hang out with, have a beer with. 627 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 7: But a lot of them are relatively inexperienced, unknown right, 628 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 7: and relatively unknown outside of their core districts. So it 629 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 7: is entirely possible that Adams could win a Democratic primary. However, 630 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 7: there is a couple of other heavyweight candidates that seem 631 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 7: to be looming in the shadows, the heaviest of which 632 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 7: is former governor of New York. 633 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomoll, Yes has an independent expenditures fund already going right, 634 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: I think so, yes, But. 635 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 7: Put this right, him raising money would not be an issue. 636 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 7: It would not be an issue. I would also note 637 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 7: that he recently appointed himself or got appointed to be 638 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 7: somehow like some lawyer representing Benjamin Nette and Yahoo in 639 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 7: some kind of international campaign. And I know that he 640 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 7: has told associates that quote, the Blacks and the Jews 641 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 7: will be behind him if he rumps as a member 642 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 7: of one of those two groups. I have a big 643 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 7: old question mark over my head about But Quamo still 644 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 7: is a lot of people have a lot of affection 645 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 7: for him. Some people think that he was drummed out 646 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 7: of office unfairly. Some people think that his way handled himself 647 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 7: during COVID, with what he's been accused of covering up 648 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 7: deaths and many many deaths and nursing homes, wasn't that bad. 649 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 7: And the leadership and stood up to Trump during that time. 650 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 7: And you know, he will have ready access to capital, 651 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 7: both financial and political, and so he would be really, 652 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 7: really formidable. And so we could wind up in New 653 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 7: York with something like the political equivalent of the Iran 654 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 7: Iraq war with Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo running against 655 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 7: one another. 656 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: So hard to pick aside. 657 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem as if there's a likely scenario, 658 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: and in some way, and I'd love you to talk 659 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: about this, it feels like the reelection of Donald Trump 660 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: has somehow made this scenario are likely. 661 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 7: Eric Adams would certainly say that's the case. And Eric 662 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 7: Adams would, I think, note that there are large parts 663 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 7: of the black and Hispanic communities of New York that 664 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 7: are much less culturally liberal than white Democrats of New York, 665 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 7: and that those people are going to support him, and 666 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 7: that he is constantly railing on progressives and the left. 667 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 7: He is trying to paint himself as somebody who can 668 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 7: reach out to that, you know, thirty percent or so 669 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 7: of New Yorkers who voted for Donald Trump. I just 670 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 7: need to note that like this is still a overwhelmingly democratic, 671 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 7: overwhelmingly left leaning town. Really, what he's hoping for is 672 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 7: to hold on to a base of support in a 673 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 7: very contested primary that has many many contenders. 674 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk for a minute about how when we look 675 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: at this kind of like the now next year, if 676 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: Trump two point zero is at all like Trump one 677 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: point zero. 678 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of him fighting with governors. Already, 679 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: a lot. 680 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: Of ambitious governors have taken this as sort of like 681 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: this is an opportunity to rise the public stage. Gavin, 682 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: of course, is having meetings about how to push back 683 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: against use federalism to protect its citizens of California. Talk 684 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: to me about Kathy Hokel and how you see this 685 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: playing there right? 686 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 7: I would say the governor of New York, Kathy Okle, 687 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 7: who's from Buffalo's from western New York, not from New 688 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 7: York City, hasn't shown nearly the same appetite as some 689 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 7: other governors to try to fight Trump or to take 690 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 7: him on. Several progressive lawmakers here had asked for a 691 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,959 Speaker 7: special session of the state legislature to try to enact 692 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 7: some measures to keep trump Ism at day. That didn't happen, 693 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 7: as it is happening in some other states. I'd also say, 694 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 7: perhaps more importantly, is that Eric Adams is showing no 695 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 7: inclination to want to fight Trump. If anything, he is 696 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 7: looking for ways to seek out common ground with Trump, 697 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 7: especially on the migrant and immigration issue, and I believe 698 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 7: he's set to meet with Trump's incoming borders or that 699 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,959 Speaker 7: guy home and on Thursday. And so he has shown 700 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 7: a real willingness to want to work with Trump on this, 701 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 7: where interestingly, some members of his own administration have been like, 702 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 7: absolutely not, We're not going to cooperate. But Adams himself 703 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 7: has shown himself to be really open to it. That 704 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 7: could have a huge impact on tens, if not hundreds 705 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 7: of thousands of New Yorkers lives. Look remember three million 706 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 7: New Yorkers were born abroad, and of that three million, 707 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 7: one million or not US citizens. So one out of 708 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 7: every eight is not a US citizen. 709 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 2: That is wild. 710 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true. It's I think the number is something 711 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 7: like forty five percent or more of New Yorkers. English 712 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 7: is not the first language spoken at home. Wow, We're 713 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 7: not only a nation of immigrants, Molly where city of immigrants. 714 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 7: And I'm not saying in the distant past, you know, 715 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 7: when our relatives moved to Brooklyn to the Lower East Side, 716 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 7: but you know it's happening right now. And I was 717 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 7: talking to one state lawmaker in Queens and she was 718 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 7: talking about how her you know a lot of her 719 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 7: constituents are afraid to even meet her in her district 720 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 7: office already for fear of ice coming to get them. 721 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 7: And Trump isn't even in office yet. They're already scared. 722 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 7: They're already staying at home. And I have grave concerns that, 723 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 7: like the fear and the isolation is only going to 724 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 7: increase come January twenty. 725 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a perfect storm. Do you think 726 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: there's anyone who can protect like? So, the mayor is 727 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: in the tank for Trump, the governor is, she's quite cowardly. 728 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: So is there anyone who can protect this people of 729 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 2: the city? I mean, will Tis James do it? 730 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 7: I'm not as familiar with the mechanics of state and 731 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 7: city government in that way, but I will say that, like, 732 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 7: look in general, right, this is a city that has 733 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 7: valued immigrants for you know, hundreds of years literally, and 734 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 7: I think the prospect of breaking up families and mass 735 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 7: is going to be much much more challenging than the 736 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 7: Trump is portray it as. And honestly, I'm not one 737 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 7: hundred percent sure that they're not just involved in some 738 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 7: giant scare campaign and that they're trying to get people 739 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 7: to you know, like to use the old Mitt Romney 740 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 7: term self deport exactly what they're going to do, I 741 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 7: think is very unclear. I mean, obviously there'll be some 742 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 7: workplace raids and stuff like that after that. I think 743 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 7: it's very unclear. And look, it's very unclear whether in 744 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 7: New York's cops will cooperate. You know, our new police 745 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 7: commissioner seems like a very rational person who's going to 746 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 7: stick to the letter of the law, which is, you know, basically. 747 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 2: Not just a good t ish yes. 748 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, And even the mayor has some of his most 749 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 7: sendiary comments, like when he said that the Constitution was 750 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 7: for Americans only. 751 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: My favorite love that guy, I want to mess Yeah. 752 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 7: Yeah, he walked that back a couple of days later. 753 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 7: So I think there's gonna be a lot of political 754 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 7: pressure for him to you know, stick to the letter 755 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 7: of the law and not to assist in some mass deportation. 756 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you. 757 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 5: Noah, Yeah, no problem, no moment, Jessy Canon, So Molly, 758 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 5: you know when we have moments of fuckery now, I 759 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 5: almost will say that at least for a temporary time, 760 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 5: for as short lived as it may be. 761 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 3: I think we're gonna have to have doze editions because 762 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 3: we've talked in our opening segument about shit shows and 763 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 3: collisions of egos and things that are going to go. 764 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 3: Well this fuckery right here, My god, what are you seeing? 765 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, like, never in our lifetime have 766 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: we known someone who has made so many bad jokes. 767 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: But because no one's ever told that his jokes are bad, 768 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: because he's the richest man in the world, he believes his. 769 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 2: Jokes are good. 770 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 1: Like, there's a real case here for keeping honest people 771 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: around you who are like, oh, that joke, isn't that funny? 772 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 2: Champ. 773 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: So, Donald Trump has these two Vivik and Elon, and 774 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: they basically so Will Trump knows that cutting social security 775 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: of medicare, those are like the third rail of American politics. 776 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: You will be very unsurprised to find out that the 777 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: two billionaires, who are neither elected nor in the federal government. 778 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 2: They want to do. 779 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: They are very excited to target and cut social security 780 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: of medicare. Look, this is wildly unpopular. They're going to 781 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: have real trouble doing this, and we'll see, but they 782 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: are signaling that they are super interested in trying. We'll 783 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: see how the optics of the richest person in the world. 784 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: You know, just one other thing, you know, there's been 785 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: this hell Care shooter, Luigi who shot the CEO of 786 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,240 Speaker 1: United Healthcare, and well, all of us agree that nobody 787 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: should have. 788 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 2: You know, killing people is bad. I think that's fair 789 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: to say. 790 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 3: Other people who booed Jon Stewart on his show what 791 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 3: he said that the other night don't agree. 792 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: But the point here is that there is a lot 793 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: of anger around health insurance and all the other ways 794 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: that the American people are getting fucked. And you know, 795 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: they voted for Trump because they thought Trump would make 796 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: things cheaper, because I guess they didn't remember the last 797 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: time he was president. But the point here is that 798 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: you got a really angry group of people. The American 799 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: people are fucking pissed. And I think that having the 800 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: richest person in the world take away what little the 801 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: government gives them, which they have paid into the system 802 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: so they are actually entitled to it. I think that's 803 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: going to be real unpopular. So we can tune back 804 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: in for that. 805 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 3: I think if people are worried about how much people 806 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 3: hate rich people right now, I think that that's only 807 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 3: going to encourage it more. 808 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 809 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 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