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Speaker 2: Bed? It's booky, joky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming,

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Speaker 2: it's a way. Wait a minute, I'm ghosted.

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Speaker 3: I usays, Hey boo, it's me Roz.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined today by River Butcher, a hilarious comedian that

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Speaker 2: I have been a fan of for years, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to get into it in just a moment. I'll

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Speaker 2: make it just just just a brief little intro today.

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Speaker 2: There's a video version of this episode that you can

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Speaker 2: find in the link in the show notes and on

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Speaker 2: social media and on YouTube and all that stuff, So

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Speaker 2: please go check out the video version on Patreon. This week,

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Speaker 2: I've got a bonus clip with River talking about an

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Speaker 2: eBay haunted doll and that it'll be an episode of

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Speaker 2: me looking up paranormal stuff on Patreon this week, and

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Speaker 2: a video of me talking about some stuff this week,

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Speaker 2: so check that out. All of that info is in

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Speaker 2: the description of this episode. Anyway, here we go, me

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Speaker 2: and River Butcher talking about the paranormal and with the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by River Butcher.

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Speaker 1: Hello, oh my god, Hello, how are you. I'm good, Ross,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: So good? We were just talking about Teal Swan and

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Speaker 2: our fascination of cult leaders and psychics, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were really going down our own rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: of our own experiences going down rabbit holes over but.

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Speaker 2: You've never been to a psycond which I want to

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Speaker 2: write about. Psychics and cults are different.

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Speaker 1: Different things, are different things overlap, but two different things.

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Speaker 1: But like tears and rectangles.

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Speaker 2: Because you were somebody that had told me about what's

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Speaker 2: it called the Deep End?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I made a joke about it on a

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Speaker 1: show that we were on together.

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Speaker 2: But which in my mind you were speaking to me first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just want to remind people I am working.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we were doing we were both booked, we were

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Speaker 2: we were on the and everything. Yeah, and you talked

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Speaker 2: about Teal Swan did, and I was like, I gotta

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Speaker 2: figure out who this is. And she's a little psychic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she claims to be.

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Speaker 2: She claims to be, but she's also a cult.

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Speaker 1: Leader hardcore And she says she's not a cult leader

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Speaker 1: because she was formerly in occult So how could she

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Speaker 1: possibly be a cult leader? Which is the most flawed

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Speaker 1: logic I've ever heard in my life.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure that's sure about.

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Speaker 1: That, saying I'm queer. How could I possibly be a

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Speaker 1: bad person? You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: those two things are not You can't that doesn't work

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm queer and I'm a bad person too.

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Speaker 2: You've never been to a psychic No, I haven't.

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Speaker 1: Why that's a great question. I do think I had

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Speaker 1: whatever because I went to Catholic schools. Me too, not Catholic.

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Speaker 1: But are you Catholic? I mean technically, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean I was raised Catholic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like your family's Catholic. Yeah yeah, Like here's my

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Speaker 2: Okay, but they did you have to do like sacraments

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Speaker 1: No, because the school that I the first school that

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, me too. My first crush was in Madeline.

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Speaker 1: You know that. I've used to know her name, but

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Speaker 2: Know Adeline, Sister Act None, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this was your experience in Catholic school,

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Speaker 1: Transsubstantiation and all that stuff. You know, what's interesting is

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Speaker 2: But still or they might be communicating another way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well okay, So do you know people that have

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Speaker 2: It makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Well, that makes a lot of sense given that we

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Speaker 2: would you want to go? Uh? I mean I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you about something called the bell Mez faces?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds like it. Yeah, if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah they didn't. These These were Spanish cops that are

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Speaker 1: So are their photographs?

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Speaker 2: Oh you better believe I got some for you right

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Speaker 1: I mean that that's but that's the thing Ros And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you are playing, all you have to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're the type of person that is half.

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Speaker 2: It's a bunch of cons Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes in a positive way. It's like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: Oh this is pre pickax. Both of these I.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking, this is like a stone floor. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to some of the reasons why it's sketchy,

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Speaker 2: Now look at this like they start having full families.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can say so it does seem to me,

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Speaker 2: It really does seem like that vine charcoal. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So you know, they dug all that up, they replaced

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, that sounds like a scream? Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: That's one way to look at it. But I think

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Speaker 2: Then there is that. Yeah, so it's one way to

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Speaker 2: It's pretty creepy. But okay, So another experiment that they do,

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Speaker 2: So you know there are there were theories in the

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Speaker 1: You know that thing that that people do, that thought

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you have a thought and then all

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes I think it jokes and then it just

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Speaker 1: So it needs a set list when you can just

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Speaker 2: she's a psychic kind of she says she's a psychic.

439
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: Now I don't know her abilities. Of course, I don't

440
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 2: know what she was doing with that, but it leads

441
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: you to believe that she's somebody that believes in this stuff,

442
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 2: so that could make you skeptical.

443
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: Totally, I mean, And then for me, the other possibility

444
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: is finding out that there was you know, Okay, so

445
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: let's say I totally believe this, she's a conduit for

446
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: this information, and for these people conduit confident do it?

447
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I mean, to me, the

448
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: point of it is for people to realize that these

449
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: people had been probably murdered, you know, like executed if

450
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: they don't have heads.

451
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: But then they dig up the bike, I know, and

452
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: then they.

453
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: Put them in a Catholic As soon as you're like,

454
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: then they put them in a Catholic cemetery, I'm like,

455
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: that's even worse because it was probably Catholics that beheaded

456
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: them in the beginning to begin with. Oh, you know

457
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, just thinking globally about history, it would

458
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: have been Catholics in Spain doing that in the thirteenth century.

459
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, yeah, this makes sense to me

460
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: that it's probably real in some way because you found

461
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: something out, you know. Like, to me, paranormal activity is

462
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: literally just trying to say, hey, you know, like something

463
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: is uh like look at this, you know, like of

464
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: like having that wee like, ooh, this is something is

465
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: chilling in here. This is a weird space. And then

466
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: you find out, oh, someone was killed in here. To me,

467
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: the purpose of that chill was to give that human

468
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: being and that person's existence the dignity that it deserved,

469
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: which is remembering them, right. You know.

470
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: I was thinking recently, like, Okay, I know that, like

471
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: common belief, the kind thing to do is to like

472
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: honor somebody's grave. You don't like step on someone's grave

473
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: or build a house on someone's grave. But I also,

474
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, I personally feel like there's a spirit

475
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: and there's a body, and they're different and to me,

476
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: like my bones like I don't care. Oh yeah, I'll

477
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: be under your kitchen me too.

478
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: I totally agree, because a there's just too many human

479
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: beings on the planet to not now bones everywhere. Yeah,

480
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: So it's less about it's less about the like sacrilege

481
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: of the body and more about the remembrance of the life,

482
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: even if you don't know their name or all those things,

483
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: but just knowing, oh there were people here who were

484
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: beheaded like that, uh, just like acknowledging that that happened,

485
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: even to me, is why that would happen to be like, oh,

486
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: what was up with that? And maybe look into that

487
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: as opposed to like, oh, we just need to put

488
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: these in a nicer place. To me, that's what you know.

489
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not about recycling, it's about like, wait,

490
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: why why were these people missing their heads? Like That's

491
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: where I would go instead of going towards the drawings continually,

492
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: I would be like, wait, this is this is the

493
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: story that I'm supposed to know?

494
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: Probably, God you it would have been a really great

495
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: reporter and seventy one in Spain like that would have

496
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: been such a great story. Back. I know a lot

497
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: of press, especially in Spain, has covered this, so I

498
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 2: wonder if people have gone that angle with it. But

499
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I love that there was an investigation in that was

500
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: on German TV where they sealed off the room with

501
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: wax so that nobody could get into the room, and

502
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: they photographed all the faces and then they covered the

503
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 2: faces and sealed the covering over the faces, and they

504
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: had the town notary present. Apparently they're trying to do

505
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: whatever they can to make sure this family's not in

506
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: there while the family is like with their little paint brushes,

507
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: dying to get in there. And they came back three

508
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: months later. The faces had now moved along the floor

509
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: and changed their expressions.

510
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: And none of the seals had been broken or anything

511
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: apparently not yeah.

512
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: Wild, which I love it.

513
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: The faces they are just like they're like, Okay, keep trying, bitch.

514
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice try. So there's a lot of Some of

515
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: the reasons why people think that it's a hoax is

516
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: that the slabs were taken to the Institute of Ceramics

517
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: and Glass Oh wow, and uh, they did not find

518
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: that there were any paint, any paint or dyes, so

519
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: they don't think it was that. But a lot of

520
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: people think that it was chemicals of some sort, and

521
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: some studies suggest that they could even see the size

522
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: of brush hairs that were used to paint with these chemicals.

523
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: That's what That's what some of the studies say. A

524
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: lot of people believe that it was the woman's son

525
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: who she had in the house. I believe maybe it

526
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: was him playing a joke, because that's I always say

527
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: with hoaxes, like it starts out fun and then the

528
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: whole neighborhood starts coming and then the press starts coming,

529
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: and then what do you do?

530
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Then you have to keep it up. You have to

531
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: keep it You really have to keep it up. And

532
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: then we find thirteen headless bodies under the thing, and

533
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: you're like, well, shit, I didn't know this. Yeah, you're like,

534
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: this is perfect, this is exactly in a line with

535
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: what I was thinking.

536
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: Or did they somehow know that the bodies were under

537
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: there the whole time?

538
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

539
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. So then the woman Maria died in

540
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: two thousand and four, and you know, the theory from

541
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: that one guy was that maybe the faces would stop,

542
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: but apparently they still.

543
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: These faces are still going in this house.

544
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: As far as I can tell, they are still telling

545
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: you just.

546
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: Do the research on the bodies, like, let's get this

547
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: over with.

548
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: Let's get it over with. But I think it's really

549
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: actually it's a good thing for tourism in that sure

550
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: small little area.

551
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

552
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: And I just want to see Maria showing up, like

553
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: giving the middle fingers.

554
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

555
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: I want her to be on the floor being like,

556
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: y'all you all thought the floor bitch. Yeah. So that's

557
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: the story of the bell Mez faces.

558
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that story with me.

559
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: What do you think going back to that voice, what

560
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: do you think or the sounds it sounded like people

561
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: underground screaming. Yeah it did.

562
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean it had this the feeling, the distinct feeling

563
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: of like wind, you know, and then howling, which is

564
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: very bizarre.

565
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was like, I don't know

566
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: where it was recorded. It was kind of hard to

567
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: I don't speak great Spanish, so it was kind of

568
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: hard to find.

569
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: But I mean it was definitely creepy, you know. Yeah,

570
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you make that sound?

571
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just the sun in the other room.

572
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: Oh shit. But because like there's a part where wait

573
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: a second, there's a part where at first you don't

574
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: hear anything and then it's like whistling right there.

575
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

576
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: Can I play you some ghost voices? Yes, Okay, it's

577
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: time for EVP or ev please perfect. EVP is electronic

578
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: voice phenomena. It's when they believe ghosts have been captured,

579
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: like what we heard. We heard two different recordings of

580
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: ghosts captured allegedly. So I go to YouTube dot com,

581
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: I type in EVP, same thing, say, drive up to

582
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: YouTube honestly, same thing I do on EP. Yeah, and uh,

583
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: and I just find random EVPs that people have posted

584
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: that they believe they've captured of a ghost speaking. And

585
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna play you too, and I want you

586
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: to tell me what you hear. No, I'll give you

587
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: some options, the correct answer being what this ghost hunter

588
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: believes they've comet. Okay, Okay, so.

589
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna give me like a multiple choice.

590
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: Sure or no? Yeah, yeah, but first let's hear what

591
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: you think this is saying. So this first one is

592
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: from Robert Kirk hyphen Hats, and it's at the Mansfield Reformatory.

593
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: Just got to say before you get into it. So far,

594
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: lots of names on all these folks, a minimum of

595
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: three names for everybody.

596
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 2: Oh, it's very good in the paranormal. Just you have

597
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: to have three names. Noticing that, Yeah, which you know,

598
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: I recently changed my name and I could not think

599
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: of a good middle name. And now I'm like, if

600
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: I want to be taken seriously in the paranormal, yeah,

601
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: I might have to go through that process again. Okay,

602
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: So Robin Kurtz hyphen Robin Kirk hyphen Hats at the

603
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: Mansfield Reformatory, which is in.

604
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Your words, Yeah, I know exactly where that is. Have

605
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: you ever been I've been by it. I've never gone

606
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: into it.

607
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: You gotta go in one of these days and start recording.

608
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: That's where they shut the redemption.

609
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very haunted. The paranormal TV shows love it,

610
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: and so does Robin Kurt hyphen Hotts. All right, what

611
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: is this ghost saying? Did you hear it?

612
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: I did.

613
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: Now there is people stepping or hammering something.

614
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: But okay, oh wow, I really heard at that time

615
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: something like I don't want to go or something like that.

616
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: Totally wait, I can't.

617
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: There's a step right on the last part. I know,

618
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to something.

619
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 2: I don't want to something.

620
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's all, Like, that's all I can get.

621
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: Wow, what is it? A? Iowascous? B? I don't want

622
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: to go? We see final Warning or D fine, I'll

623
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: watch a stupid show. I'm gonna go with B because

624
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: that's what it sounded like to me. I hear, fine,

625
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: I'll watch your stupid show. I literally hear that. Yes,

626
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: it is B. I don't want to go. Yes, that

627
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: was pretty good. You're good at this. You might have

628
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: a future in this if you if you want to,

629
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 2: you know do three native. Okay, we're going to figure

630
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: out how to do this one. This next one. This

631
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: next one is from Gerald Reynolds. Just two names, so

632
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: we'll figure out how good this e VP will be.

633
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: It's in Rancho Camulos, which is in Peru, California, in

634
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: Ventura County. Apparently it's a real haunted place. And what

635
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: is this ghost saying?

636
00:34:46,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I gotta get close to it? It's like two and

637
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: a half or that or something like that. Two and

638
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: a half of it.

639
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: Two and a half of that. That sounds like a

640
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: Mary Kay n Ashley movie or something. Yeah, two and

641
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: a half of that, two.

642
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: And a half of that or an episode of Sex

643
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: and the City.

644
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: Totally, they did not think it was two and a

645
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: half of that?

646
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: Okay, is it a ge?

647
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: What happened? M B? Have you seen my husband? C

648
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: take your hat off? Captain? Or d tickle tickle tickle?

649
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: What was a again?

650
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: Gee? What happened?

651
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with ag what happened? Yeah?

652
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: Totally yeah, g what happened?

653
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: Yeah?

654
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're good at this. Yeah. They believe

655
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: it was g what happened?

656
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: What happened? Like it? Yeah?

657
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: Man?

658
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: Man, those recordings it's pretty crapin.

659
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, would you go paranlem investigating for one of those?

660
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? Really, because I would want to see I would

661
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: want to be there for the recording to be because

662
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: it's just like it sounds so it sounds so fake.

663
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying it's fake, right, I'm saying

664
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like somebody is going to get it.

665
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: But I'm like, yeah, what the hell. Well, I've recorded

666
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: things like this before, and the thing is, most of

667
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: the time you don't hear it.

668
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: In the Yeah, that's what I mean. I would want

669
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: to go so I'd be like, I did not hear

670
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: that exact where did that come from? You know what?

671
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean to like, my creepiest one that I believe

672
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: is one hundred percent real because I was there. I

673
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 2: was the only one there. I was in a bathroom.

674
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: I've played it on the show before, but I'll just

675
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: tell you I was in the bathroom at this very

676
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: haunted former hospital turned hotel. What could go wrong? Would

677
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: you do that in the middle of nowhere in Arizona,

678
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: up in the mountains and you hear a voice say

679
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: I pooped here you hear it?

680
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: That's my kind of a ghosts, you know, totally. It's

681
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: just that's that's how I when I move on to

682
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: the next plane, I really want to spend a little

683
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: time going I pooped.

684
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: Her, totally do that.

685
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can take your hat off, Captain.

686
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: You can have a lot of fun with that, and

687
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate a ghost that is having fun. Yeah, Okay,

688
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: I'm just going to fire off some paranormal phenomena and

689
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 2: I want to hear what you have to say. How

690
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: do you feel about and now I'm so and now

691
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm noticing that I asked it that way. How do

692
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: you feel about?

693
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: Oh?

694
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: Sure, demons?

695
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: Can you tell me more about what you mean?

696
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: What are your demons?

697
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I've definitely experienced them. I don't think they're

698
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: in external power.

699
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: Though, okay, so well they're within you. Yeah.

700
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: My experience of demons is that it is uh. I

701
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: think that demons are a human construct. To explain.

702
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: Are more.

703
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: Hmm. Evil is too hard of a word, you know,

704
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: because I don't mean like evil, but like, you know,

705
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: tendencies towards destructive things as opposed to creative things, you know,

706
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: the negative as opposed to the positive. Like I feel

707
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: as though humans created them as metaphors, ah to explain that, Okay,

708
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, and I feel it's a powerful and accurate

709
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: metaphor because I've had that feeling of like I feel

710
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: like I'm overwhelmed by this super negative or bad or

711
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: evil or destructive power totally, like I've literally had the

712
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: experience of of you know, like the devil and the

713
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: angel on your shoulder. Like I always thought that was

714
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: just like a cartoon thing, and then I had that

715
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: in a moment once and I was like, Oh, that's

716
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: where that came from. Is like literally feeling like torn

717
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: between these two choices essentially.

718
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: Really yeah, so, but not it's not something that's attached

719
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: to like a manifestation, a physical manifestation or anything like that.

720
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: Like exorcism or like a like a possession by or

721
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: something like that. I mean, I think I think it

722
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: fits in alignment with what I'm talking about, you know,

723
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: is that like I think exorcisms were for people who

724
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: were probably experiencing like severe psychic breaks or you know,

725
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: women who were being treated you know, like being told

726
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: that they were crazy or what. You know what I mean,

727
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: Like totally it all like I think it's real, but

728
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: not in the way it's being presented to us, if

729
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: that makes sense historically speaking, totally so yes, but also

730
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: not not in the way that there's like a pitchfork

731
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, It's more of a feeling.

732
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: But those are cute, Like I love the look of.

733
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: Like great style. Like one time, I remember, one of

734
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: the only times I ever messed around with makeup, I

735
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: painted my entire face with my mom's like lipstick samples

736
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: that she got from Red Oh. Yeah, I was like,

737
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: I am the devil. It's a classic style.

738
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: You should shut up to Catholic school like that. I know

739
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: with pants it would have turned me right around. Yeah. Now,

740
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: I totally know what you mean because I have felt

741
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: that feeling too, of like the demons, you know, because

742
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: I'm addict. You know. It's like I have I feel

743
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: that same thing, like I feel the addiction is demons

744
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: crawling in I think of crawling. That's literally what I

745
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: think of is.

746
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: Back in totally. What do you think of.

747
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: Time travel? Do you think it's real? Do you think

748
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: it's possible.

749
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: I think it's totally possible.

750
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, I mean UFOs could, Yeah, baby.

751
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: I here's my interpretation of time travel. I feel if

752
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: I feel as though I have time traveled, but not

753
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: in the Martin even fly gets into a DeLorean and

754
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: goes to the same time. I wish it was like that,

755
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, and I do think that that's possible, although

756
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to understand all the quantum physics

757
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 1: of the whole thing, but I would rather I feel

758
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: as I have time traveled on like an emotional level

759
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: of like having an experience, like having an experience early

760
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: in my life that was like say, traumatic or negative

761
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then later on in my life, sort

762
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: of entering into another experience that feels very similar and

763
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: reminiscent of that and doing it differently feels to me

764
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: like time travel because that person that experienced that is

765
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: traveling with me, and they're from the past and I'm

766
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: from the future. And if they're traveling with me currently

767
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: in the present, then I am also experiencing that past

768
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: experience at the same time on an emotional level, and

769
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: so that's how I consider time travel. I also like

770
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: the one time was like making out with somebody while

771
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: this music from my life before was happening at the

772
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: same time, and it felt like, wait, am I now?

773
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Or am I then? You know, it's like this very

774
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: transcendent experience, you know.

775
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: So it's like emotional time travel. Oh I never think

776
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: about that.

777
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the way I experience time travel. It's like

778
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: second chances or opportunities to cause it's not the same experience,

779
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: but to me, it feels as though it is. So

780
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: it's specific to me. So A I get to decide

781
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: whether it's time travel or not, you know, like it's

782
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 1: not up to somebody else.

783
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: Huh.

784
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: But b I'm like, if I'm recalling that experience, there's

785
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: part of me that is living it again, right, so

786
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: traveling with me? You know?

787
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: So is deja vus somewhere in this?

788
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean I think so? But deja vu specifically is

789
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: that's about having a Is that about having a dream

790
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: and then something happens from the dream.

791
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 2: Or it's just like a like you're in a moment

792
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, yeah, I feel like I've done

793
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 2: this before.

794
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah, I think so, because I have that feeling

795
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: all the time, really like whoa like very specifically, like

796
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: someone's saying something to me. It's not it's never anything

797
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: like big, you know, it's always like somebody sitting over

798
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: there looking over at me, having a drink of water

799
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: and then saying something and I'm like, this has totally

800
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: happened before, yeah, or I dreamt it and I was

801
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: told that it was going to happen for some reason,

802
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that reason is usually be

803
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: present in your life, you know, pay attention to the

804
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: things that are happening around you, because even something is

805
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: like mundane, as somebody is saying, like what time are

806
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: you going to the show? Is like that person cares

807
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: about you, you know what I mean, So like it's

808
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: like very small but important, you know.

809
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: I started thinking a lot about Djevou a few years ago,

810
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: and I started to feel this is my personal belief

811
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: is like it is kind of all mapped out, like

812
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: we're all going someplace on purpose, and then the deja

813
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: vous is like confirmation you're, yeah, that you're supposed to

814
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: be there. Yeah, I dig that.

815
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know though, I dig that. I think that's

816
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: it's similar to what I'm like, being present is confirmation

817
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: that you're exactly where you need to be.

818
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: I also.

819
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: Believe in reincarnation. I think some of that stuff because

820
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so we have science, right, and science

821
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: is like matter is neither created nor destroyed. So how

822
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: could we not how could we not be you know,

823
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: reinstituted and recycled in things.

824
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So so our ghosts maybe that matter, not having

825
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: a place to go or that's where it goes.

826
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: Well, that's not matter, it's energy, you know. So it's

827
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: like the we only have so many like bodies, you know.

828
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: But I think so, And I think sometimes the ghosts

829
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: are spirits that are done and they're just hanging out.

830
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: They don't. I don't think that when our spirits are done,

831
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: you know, because I do think there's a point where

832
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: we have completed what we're supposed to do. Because I

833
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: think that our purpose is longer than just simply the

834
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: lives that were you and I are currently living right now.

835
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: I think we have a more long term, you know,

836
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: purpose that takes more than one, you know, eighty year

837
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: life cycle to complete.

838
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: So do you have any thoughts or idea of where

839
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 2: your spiritual being has been before?

840
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: Well, I was told I mean I haven't gone to

841
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: a psychic, but I did get a couple like astrological readings,

842
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: you know, based on my chart and stuff, and then

843
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: my partner and I got one together, and I was

844
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: told in the in the solo one and then in

845
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: the partner one, that I'd been here multiple times and

846
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: one of the previous incarnations was like a monk or

847
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: some sort of religious thing, which tracks if I'm now

848
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: a stand up comedian very similar purposes, you know.

849
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean a lot. There's a lot of comedians that

850
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: people are like they're a profit.

851
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: Uh huh, or just simply to me. For me, it's

852
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: like just simply like spreading a message, taking a message

853
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: out to people and offering that. You know, It's like I.

854
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: Can see that I haven't done it. I haven't done

855
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: any kind of past life regression or anything.

856
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: But I didn't regress. But she just told told me

857
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: like and that my partner and I had been together

858
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: multiple times across those things, which is cool.

859
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: That's what a lot of will tell you, is that

860
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: that we live past lives, and like the characters in

861
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: this life are also in that life, but they're also

862
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: different characters.

863
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: Right, Like my mom and my dad and I have

864
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: all been on this thing together, but they weren't my

865
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: mom and my dad the last time. You know. It's

866
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: like it's kind of it's cool to think about it

867
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: that way, you know, cause then it for me. It

868
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: allows for more perspective on what this is, and I

869
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: can take a lot of the power out, you know,

870
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: the power dynamic that is sort of imbibed in all

871
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: these relationships under capitalism specifically, and you know where we

872
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: are right now, like, oh, the nuclear family is the

873
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: only thing, and if it's not coming from there, then

874
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: something's wrong with you. You know, Like if I just

875
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: look at it as like, oh, we're three beings that

876
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: have just sort of been hanging out with each other

877
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: for millennia, right and this is the this is the

878
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: dynamic that we're in right now. What needs to be different?

879
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: You know? I and I think I just need to

880
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: see them as people, you know, as opposed to like

881
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: if we were just people together we owned a business

882
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: or something, you know, we were like merchants together and

883
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: we couldn't get along. And now I'm their kid. Yeah exactly,

884
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: Maybe I just need to get along with them.

885
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: So when you think about this, does it take away

886
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: your fear of dying? Mm hm, me too.

887
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really have a fear of dying. I

888
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: used to, but I'm not. I'm no longer like afraid

889
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: of it. It's actually seems cool but that's like considering

890
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: it as realizing that it's not like the end, you know,

891
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: it's only the end of this whatever this is, you know.

892
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people consider that to

893
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: be very morbid, but I think it's the opposite, you know,

894
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: where I'm just like cool, I'm gonna make the best

895
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: of this while I'm here. Yeah.

896
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: It's also like when you're in chow biz, like you

897
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: get a nice gig for a minute, and then that ends.

898
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: It definitely does, and then you find another. Yeah, yeah, definitely,

899
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: Like has that has Has that changed your perspective on dying?

900
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you work at it that way like reincar,

901
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 2: Like people are reinventing their careers or they're doing different

902
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh now I'm going to do a podcast. Now I'm

903
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: going to be on a sitcom like whatever. Yeah, and

904
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: then that ends, yep inevitably because sometimes you do it

905
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: with the same people.

906
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was always a big fan of

907
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: Six Feet Under and terrified of dying. But something that

908
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: I've always thought about from that show is and it's

909
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: an episode title, but somebody says it everything everywhere ends

910
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: great inescapable? Why Like, yeah, why fight that? And that

911
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: applies to everything, like you're saying, with jobs and stuff,

912
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: and it takes a lot of the power out of

913
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: the job too. You're just like, oh, this is what

914
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now. You know we're not doing right now,

915
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: you know.

916
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: Okay, last one? Yeah, Bigfoot?

917
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: Do I believe in Bigfoot?

918
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

919
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are my thoughts? I mean, I think it's

920
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: cool that I always appreciate anything that creates community, and

921
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: I think that Bigfoot is like a stellar example of

922
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: like a community. You know, people looking for something.

923
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: Cult later no, because you never.

924
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: A cult leader, because I think you have to be

925
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: able to interface with that leader, you know. And I

926
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: definitely worst cult leader ever or best for that reason

927
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: because you never get to talk to them. No robes,

928
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: no nothing, no weird jewelry. I don't think that it's real.

929
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a person, you know, dressed up, okay,

930
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: because there's just like no other There's never been any

931
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: other thing like that. So to me, I'm like, it

932
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 1: seems like some people having some fun.

933
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: You know. It's so funny. On my Patregon, I've been

934
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: doing every single state I've been one at a time

935
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: in our our lovely country. I've been going through each

936
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 2: state and doing paranormal like just because I just want

937
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: to like dig deeper and learn about other of cours.

938
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't go to Alabama myself, but every

939
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: single state I'm at. I just started doing this a

940
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. So I'm at Georgia. They all have.

941
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: Foots like their own, their own specific Yeah.

942
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: That's every state I've found so far.

943
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: House and then you find additional things too, right or

944
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: just do you stop at bigfoot?

945
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean it fascinates me that is it one dude

946
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: or person or whatever that's just doing the road, you know,

947
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: touring around the country or is.

948
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: It the concept? Uh? That to me, is it the

949
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: concept being released into the ether into the experience and

950
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: then confirmation bias seeing something and making it that bigfoot?

951
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: You know?

952
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the one video and then people are

953
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: seeing because like, you know, what you seek you will find,

954
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: so sure you're gonna if you're looking for bigfoot, you're

955
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: gonna find them.

956
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: Now, there's a thing within the paranormal that I'm obsessed with.

957
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

958
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: There's a couple of different words for it, but one

959
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: of them is agrigore, which is basically, if enough people

960
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: think something it's true, they basically think it into existence,

961
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: like a lot of urban legend ye type.

962
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: Things like the moth Man and stuff like that.

963
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be a lot of times things that

964
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: don't have that typical like say ghost storyline of like wait,

965
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: nobody died here, but why do we all keep seeing this? Y?

966
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: This particular goes And there have been experiments where people

967
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: write out a biography of a fake person and then

968
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: they try to contact and they keep doing it repeatedly

969
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 2: until they start making contact with this like fake thing.

970
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: And so a lot of people think that Bigfoot is

971
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: something like that.

972
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: Interesting.

973
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not like a huge like an animal

974
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: or mammal. It's more so this being. Like that's why

975
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: you can't catch it.

976
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: Like a specter or like a real actual being that

977
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: has come into being, because it has been.

978
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: To me it's magical, ye, whatever it is.

979
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I also this is the one thing that

980
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: I've been like no into it just to say, I mean,

981
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm also totally open to it the possibility, but it

982
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: just seems it totally just seems like a person dressed

983
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: up and then it just like caught fire with people

984
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: like lolackness or something.

985
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: Like that that way, and now it's I don't know.

986
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: But that concept is really interesting that it then comes

987
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: into being because so many people believe in it.

988
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: When the secret came out. Sure, I still use a

989
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I like that think things into existence.

990
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: I've never seen it with a hairy monster. Yeah.

991
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much I believe like

992
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: thinking a being into existence, but I definitely believe that

993
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: if you're thinking towards something, it can happen.

994
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

995
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: No, I've had that happen. Yeah, very small things, right,

996
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: I think, like a bigfoot or whatever. Like literally in October,

997
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 1: I sent my manager an email that was like, hey, look,

998
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: this is not out of desperation, but I need a job,

999
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: Like I need a job. And then I literally got

1000
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: an email like three hours later that was like, hey,

1001
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: do you are you interested in this? And those two things,

1002
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: like that email and the second email were not connected.

1003
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: It's not like my manager was like, oh, yes, okay,

1004
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: I'll do it right and then like called around. You know.

1005
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: It was really just like, hey, let's I would really

1006
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: love to focus towards finding something, you know. It was

1007
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: like that kind of a thing, and then it came

1008
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: it came forth totally. So it's it's not like I

1009
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: did that, but in being willing to say what I

1010
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: want and what I would like to do, I think

1011
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: that the universe is happy to provide. Usually doesn't happen

1012
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: that quickly.

1013
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: I love to look at things like that, and I'm

1014
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: glad that that to hear that you do too, Like, yeah,

1015
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: tell the world what you want, Yeah, then it'll give

1016
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: it to you.

1017
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: That's right. I think sometimes it can just be within yourself,

1018
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: but I do think it's very powerful if you're willing

1019
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: to be because to me, that is like vulnerability, you know,

1020
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: being willing to say like, hey, I want this, you know,

1021
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: and it doesn't always work out exactly the way I

1022
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: want it to, but it usually works out, you know.

1023
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: And then my job is to not be like critical

1024
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: of it, to not be like, yeah, but I'm not

1025
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: like that though. It's to go like, okay, I'll give

1026
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: it a shot because what you were thinking, it rarely is.

1027
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: But then that job ended up being leading to a

1028
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: second part of a job that was like one of

1029
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: my favorite experiences, Like I could it's like the best

1030
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: job I've ever had, and I've had a lot of

1031
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: good jobs, you know, so it was totally awesome. And

1032
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: there's there's definitely a me that would have said I

1033
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: need a job. That job came in and I would

1034
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: have been like, no, thanks, you know, like there's a

1035
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: me that would have done that, but like grateful to

1036
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: be the meat that's like, sure, I'll give it a shot.

1037
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: See what this is?

1038
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, also, I think a lot of that is

1039
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: like intuition and just being trusting your gut, like maybe

1040
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: maybe I should take this. You never know what it

1041
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: could lead to. I mean, I've been a situations like

1042
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: that where I'm like I don't want to, but for

1043
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: some reason, I feel like I have to do this,

1044
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: and then I do and then I meet someone. You know.

1045
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: That's literally what I was gonna say, because it's also

1046
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: for me. It's it's letting go of even the idea

1047
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: of what I think leading to something else looks like,

1048
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: because it used to be like, well, I don't know

1049
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: what other job it's going to lead to, and it's

1050
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: like letting go of the fact that like it might

1051
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: not be a job, you know, like it might lead

1052
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: to meeting somebody that's just like great, a great person

1053
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: to know, or like having a really great conversation in

1054
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: a room where you feel like you showed up for

1055
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: that confidently and it didn't work and you're fine, you know, like,

1056
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: which is all experiences that I had that I would

1057
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean I maybe would have had otherwise, but I'm

1058
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: grateful that I had them all collected in one place,

1059
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: you know.

1060
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had I've done so many like gigs and

1061
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: so many things over the years, and the worst one

1062
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: I've ever done. First of all, I got a great

1063
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 2: story out of it because it was that bad. Yeah,

1064
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: but I also met such a great person that is

1065
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: still a good friend and has been just a wonderful

1066
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 2: person to know. But I didn't want to do that shit, sure,

1067
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: yeah at all, and I hated it. But we get a.

1068
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: Great story and a great person out of it, yeah,

1069
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: which is very positive.

1070
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to do this today. We did it

1071
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: and it was great.

1072
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've had a great time.

1073
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing that.

1074
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Ross.

1075
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 2: So let's do a podcast goodbye. Yeah, tell us where

1076
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: you can where we can find you?

1077
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh sure? Oh that stuff mostly on the internet, you know,

1078
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: at riv Butcher on Twitter and Instagram. A lot of

1079
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: people are calling me RIV because of that, which I

1080
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: don't hate, but just want to offer that I'm only

1081
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: RIV Butcher because River Butcher was already taken in the

1082
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: years some random kids on everything.

1083
00:57:59,040 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: Where does that?

1084
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

1085
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: It makes me so mad when stuff like that happened.

1086
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: I know.

1087
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: I asked people too, And here's here's like a similar

1088
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: story to what we were talking about before. I was

1089
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: going by RB for a little while before I was

1090
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: willing to take the leap of fully changing my name,

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00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: and there's a guy on Instagram and Twitter who had

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00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: RB Butcher as both, and so I wrote out messages

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00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: to this person and asked. I was like, I understand

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00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: that this is like a big ask, so don't please

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00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: don't think I just am like gonna take this thing

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00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: from you, but you know, I would really appreciate your

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00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: consideration if you'd be willing to allow me to use this,

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00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, happy to you know, pay you whatever. And didn't.

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00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: He didn't believe I was a real person, which didn't

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00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: make sense because I'm verified on both of the things.

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00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: He was like, can you send me something from here

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00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: like this email, you know whatever. So I did that

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00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: and then he was like, yeah, no, I don't want

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00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: to do that because I'm known for the and like

1105
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, the follower counts are very different. But here's

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00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: what I liked about. I was upset about it, and

1107
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: then I realized, Oh, this guy is giving me such

1108
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: a gift, which is change your name. Ah, that was

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00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: the gift. Was like, yeah, don't know, like no little bits,

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00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: no one tiny little step, like go do the whole thing.

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00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: You listen to that message and the riff thing is

1112
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: like it's not perfect, so great I get to just

1113
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: like have not exactly what I want, but live my life.

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Speaker 2: Great.

1115
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 2: Every time that I have tried to do that scenario,

1117
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm always convinced that it's someone that died because I

1118
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: never can get in touch with them. Yeah, they haven't

1119
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: posted in ten years.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing too, Like all the people that

1121
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: I asked hadn't posted in forever, like had minimal posts

1122
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: and things. Yeah wow, but you know now here we are.

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00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: So I share that because like pretty much the only

1124
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: thing I'm doing right now is like local shows in

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00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Uh, I'm trying to think of I do.

1126
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: I am on a kid's show that's on Netflix, that's

1127
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: coming out sometime soon. I have no idea when cool

1128
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: just like one episode, but it's pretty neat called It's

1129
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: called Wat and Mochi Cure. It's a fun episode. Fun

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Speaker 1: to work with puppets. Puppets, Yeah, that was cool.

1131
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: Cool.

1132
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: Didn't realize it was a lifelong dream. You know, you

1133
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: grow up, are you voicing or no? I got to

1134
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: be a person with the puppets.

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01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: Cool.

1136
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: And the puppeteers were like, you're like a human puppet,

1137
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is the compliment I've been

1138
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 1: waiting for my entire life.

1139
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, a human puppet. Yeah, is there like

1140
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: a dude next to you or whatever?

1141
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, multiple people.

1142
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: I get so lost in that stuff that I always

1143
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: am blown away when I see like a behind the

1144
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: scenes what it really looks like.

1145
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: I know, it's so wild and it's so it's so physical,

1146
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: like what they have to do to do that stuff.

1147
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: You know, and some of those like Sesame Street, it's

1148
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: like three people when doing that, they're.

1149
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: Watching the TV while they're acting with the thing. And

1150
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: this is a lot. Yeah, this is a lot more

1151
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: than I thought.

1152
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well well that's what I got going on. Perfect.

1153
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: Oh if you're in Los Angeles. I'm doing an hour

1154
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: at the Allegian on August nineteenth.

1155
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with that place. Yeah, I love it so

1156
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: much fun. Thank you so much to River. Please check

1157
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: out the video version of this episode with the link

1158
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: in the description of this episode and Patreon. All that

1159
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: stuff is in there. And guys, you following the show

1160
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: you subscribed, could you please rate it five stars, read

1161
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: a nice review, or leave a ghost story there or

1162
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: send me a ghost story at ghosted by Roz at

1163
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: gmail dot com. I'm on Instagram at roz Hernandez TikTok

1164
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. I'll be back next week.

1165
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

1166
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me

1167
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: came back. Star bands are a podcast a podcast network

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Speaker 2: mm hm