1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:22,275 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Trump 2 00:00:22,875 --> 00:00:29,915 Speaker 1: under performed again, Biden overperformed again. The five thirty eight 3 00:00:29,955 --> 00:00:33,275 Speaker 1: poll of Polls had Trump winning Michigan yesterday by seventy 4 00:00:33,395 --> 00:00:37,595 Speaker 1: nine to twenty over Nikki Haley, a fifty nine point margin, 5 00:00:38,155 --> 00:00:40,755 Speaker 1: but with twenty two percent of the vote in, he 6 00:00:40,875 --> 00:00:43,315 Speaker 1: was only up sixty six to twenty nine over Haley, 7 00:00:43,395 --> 00:00:46,155 Speaker 1: only a thirty seven point margin, and that had held 8 00:00:46,275 --> 00:00:50,435 Speaker 1: like that for a while. The New York Times Swingometer 9 00:00:50,635 --> 00:00:53,475 Speaker 1: had predicted him finishing with a sixty nine to twenty 10 00:00:53,515 --> 00:00:56,595 Speaker 1: seven win over Haley, a forty two point margin, and 11 00:00:56,635 --> 00:01:00,995 Speaker 1: that kept dropping. Ultimately, Trump is not likely to have 12 00:01:01,235 --> 00:01:05,035 Speaker 1: underperformed as badly in Michigan yesterday as he did in 13 00:01:05,075 --> 00:01:07,435 Speaker 1: South Carolina and as he did in New Hampshire. But 14 00:01:07,475 --> 00:01:11,675 Speaker 1: he has underperformed again, and eighty to ninety percent of 15 00:01:11,715 --> 00:01:14,515 Speaker 1: the news media will position this as a Trump blowout, 16 00:01:15,035 --> 00:01:19,995 Speaker 1: even though he underperformed by seventeen points or twenty two points, 17 00:01:20,195 --> 00:01:23,355 Speaker 1: even though he is more vulnerable than he or anybody 18 00:01:23,395 --> 00:01:26,075 Speaker 1: in that party lets on, and even though the chances 19 00:01:26,115 --> 00:01:30,475 Speaker 1: are increasing not decreasing, that his iron grip on what 20 00:01:30,635 --> 00:01:35,475 Speaker 1: used to be the Republican Party will mean only uncontestable destruction. 21 00:01:35,675 --> 00:01:39,835 Speaker 1: At the polls in November in the Michigan Democratic primary, 22 00:01:39,915 --> 00:01:43,595 Speaker 1: it sure looks like the one outcome nobody predicted. Joe 23 00:01:43,595 --> 00:01:46,835 Speaker 1: Biden did better than he was expected to, and the 24 00:01:46,875 --> 00:01:52,315 Speaker 1: anti Joe Biden uncommitted Gaza protest vote did better than 25 00:01:52,395 --> 00:01:56,115 Speaker 1: it was expected too as well. The last polling in 26 00:01:56,155 --> 00:01:59,675 Speaker 1: Michigan showed Biden at about seventy seven, but with twenty 27 00:01:59,675 --> 00:02:01,915 Speaker 1: percent of the vote counted last night, he was at 28 00:02:01,955 --> 00:02:05,675 Speaker 1: seventy nine. There was not solid holding about the final 29 00:02:05,755 --> 00:02:09,075 Speaker 1: uncommitted vote, but the listen to Michigan group first predicted 30 00:02:09,115 --> 00:02:11,995 Speaker 1: it would get twenty thousand votes, then it cut its 31 00:02:11,995 --> 00:02:15,475 Speaker 1: prediction to ten thousand votes, a veteran move, as the 32 00:02:15,595 --> 00:02:19,555 Speaker 1: kids say. But before ten o'clock it had cleared twenty 33 00:02:19,595 --> 00:02:23,115 Speaker 1: seven thousand votes, and that was about fifteen percent, and 34 00:02:23,155 --> 00:02:26,035 Speaker 1: that percentage seemed to be holding steady. Well, how in 35 00:02:26,075 --> 00:02:28,995 Speaker 1: the hell did that happen? How did Biden do better 36 00:02:29,235 --> 00:02:34,755 Speaker 1: and uncommitted do better? It looks like Uncommitted took away 37 00:02:35,275 --> 00:02:38,355 Speaker 1: more than half the votes that had been expected for 38 00:02:38,595 --> 00:02:43,915 Speaker 1: self flagellating challenger Dean Phillips and self abnegating challenger Mary 39 00:02:43,915 --> 00:02:47,435 Speaker 1: Anne Williamson by ten PM. Each of them was literally 40 00:02:47,475 --> 00:02:50,915 Speaker 1: looking at a best case scenario of three percent each. 41 00:02:52,195 --> 00:02:56,355 Speaker 1: The political cognocente could not decide what would constitute a 42 00:02:56,435 --> 00:02:59,835 Speaker 1: rebuke to Joe Biden in Michigan and what would constitute 43 00:02:59,955 --> 00:03:04,595 Speaker 1: merely run of the mill Michigan independence and or stubbornness. 44 00:03:05,595 --> 00:03:10,515 Speaker 1: What does fifteen percent uncommitted in Michigan represent exactly? What's 45 00:03:10,555 --> 00:03:16,195 Speaker 1: the contrast? In twenty twelve, eleven percent voted uncommitted in 46 00:03:16,275 --> 00:03:19,555 Speaker 1: Michigan instead of voting for a guy named Barack Obama. 47 00:03:20,155 --> 00:03:22,195 Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, with no Obama and no 48 00:03:22,355 --> 00:03:25,995 Speaker 1: John Edwards on the ballot, forty percent of Michigan Democrats 49 00:03:26,195 --> 00:03:29,755 Speaker 1: voted uncommitted two hundred thirty eight thousand uncommitted votes. In 50 00:03:29,755 --> 00:03:34,635 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Politico claimed White House panic in 51 00:03:34,715 --> 00:03:39,155 Speaker 1: advance about Michigan's uncommitted and the primary yesterday. They are 52 00:03:39,235 --> 00:03:42,435 Speaker 1: freaking out, was the quote. And if there is one 53 00:03:42,475 --> 00:03:45,515 Speaker 1: thing we know about Joe Biden and the people around him, 54 00:03:45,555 --> 00:03:49,875 Speaker 1: it's that they don't freak out. They don't freak out 55 00:03:49,955 --> 00:03:52,755 Speaker 1: when we need them to freak out. Let alone about 56 00:03:52,755 --> 00:03:57,995 Speaker 1: the primary in Michigan. If this finishes somewhere around where 57 00:03:57,995 --> 00:04:02,395 Speaker 1: it was at ten PM Biden at seventy nine, seventy 58 00:04:02,435 --> 00:04:09,155 Speaker 1: seven eighty uncommit it at fifteen seventeen fourteen, Williamson and 59 00:04:09,195 --> 00:04:13,155 Speaker 1: Phillips just auditing the course, it will be at worse 60 00:04:13,235 --> 00:04:18,395 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden. A gentle and respectful rebuke, one the 61 00:04:18,395 --> 00:04:21,075 Speaker 1: Biden campaign can respond to by saying we hear you, 62 00:04:21,435 --> 00:04:26,235 Speaker 1: and one the uncommitteds can say, good, we're talking. And 63 00:04:26,275 --> 00:04:29,915 Speaker 1: of course one wonders again how Joe Biden just happened 64 00:04:29,955 --> 00:04:34,475 Speaker 1: to let his expectation of a ceasefire coming in Gaza 65 00:04:34,555 --> 00:04:39,555 Speaker 1: by next Monday just slip into a viral video after 66 00:04:39,595 --> 00:04:42,635 Speaker 1: his appearance on a talk show the night before this 67 00:04:42,715 --> 00:04:48,075 Speaker 1: Michigan primary with this uncommitted anti Gaza protests vote. Given 68 00:04:48,475 --> 00:04:52,995 Speaker 1: he's so old and infirm and an albatross and a 69 00:04:53,075 --> 00:05:01,955 Speaker 1: political liability, he overperformed again. I want to circle back 70 00:05:01,955 --> 00:05:06,155 Speaker 1: to Michigan and the implications more the political implications of Israel, 71 00:05:06,195 --> 00:05:09,435 Speaker 1: Hamas and yet another third rail immigration in a moment, 72 00:05:09,475 --> 00:05:11,475 Speaker 1: because I want to think out loud in the most 73 00:05:11,475 --> 00:05:16,275 Speaker 1: counterintuitive manners possible. But first, a log jam may actually 74 00:05:16,275 --> 00:05:19,275 Speaker 1: have broken yesterday, in the decade long refusal of the 75 00:05:19,355 --> 00:05:23,675 Speaker 1: legacy news industry to call Trump what he is, racist, 76 00:05:24,075 --> 00:05:28,755 Speaker 1: anti American, authoritarian, fascist, crazy, and this is just about 77 00:05:28,755 --> 00:05:30,875 Speaker 1: the first of those truths that he is a racist. 78 00:05:31,315 --> 00:05:34,955 Speaker 1: The president of ABC News, Kim Godwin, who has been 79 00:05:35,035 --> 00:05:38,075 Speaker 1: lousy at the job and recently had another ultra president 80 00:05:38,115 --> 00:05:41,155 Speaker 1: of ABC News appointed as her boss, emailed some of 81 00:05:41,195 --> 00:05:45,155 Speaker 1: her staff after Trump's amazing run of racist statements at 82 00:05:45,195 --> 00:05:49,315 Speaker 1: what was called the Black Conservatives Federation gala. This was 83 00:05:49,395 --> 00:05:53,675 Speaker 1: last Saturday. She wrote to them by email, No matter 84 00:05:53,795 --> 00:05:56,635 Speaker 1: one's politics, the fact that a person running for president 85 00:05:56,675 --> 00:05:59,955 Speaker 1: of the United States made these remarks period, but also 86 00:06:00,035 --> 00:06:03,235 Speaker 1: to a public crowd and with so many black people present, 87 00:06:03,555 --> 00:06:07,795 Speaker 1: and that they stand with him is mind blowing shocking. 88 00:06:08,475 --> 00:06:12,715 Speaker 1: These remarks are as racist as they come. Unquote. Her 89 00:06:12,755 --> 00:06:16,235 Speaker 1: email was obtained by Semaphore News and then by CNN. 90 00:06:17,315 --> 00:06:20,475 Speaker 1: While they're not shocking, President Godwin, you just noticed them. 91 00:06:20,955 --> 00:06:23,555 Speaker 1: If this were the movie Field of Dreams, you would 92 00:06:23,555 --> 00:06:26,075 Speaker 1: be the brother in law, the Timothy Buss failed character 93 00:06:26,355 --> 00:06:29,395 Speaker 1: who suddenly sees the game being played in the cornfield 94 00:06:29,435 --> 00:06:32,435 Speaker 1: and says, where did all these baseball players come from? 95 00:06:33,715 --> 00:06:37,195 Speaker 1: Trump has been a certified racist since at least July 96 00:06:37,355 --> 00:06:41,875 Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two. That Kim Godwin is shocked is shocking. 97 00:06:42,955 --> 00:06:45,475 Speaker 1: I'm shocked to discover there's gambling going on here still 98 00:06:45,515 --> 00:06:49,315 Speaker 1: whatever whoever wentever, This is the president of ABC News 99 00:06:49,715 --> 00:06:53,835 Speaker 1: saying more than her network ever has. Although to be fair, 100 00:06:53,875 --> 00:06:57,835 Speaker 1: her network, thanks mostly to George Stephanopoulos, has far and 101 00:06:57,875 --> 00:07:00,555 Speaker 1: away come closer to the truth about Trump's evil that 102 00:07:00,715 --> 00:07:03,835 Speaker 1: has CBS or CNN or NBC, where the c now 103 00:07:03,875 --> 00:07:08,955 Speaker 1: stands for Camel's head in the sand. In a statement 104 00:07:08,995 --> 00:07:12,315 Speaker 1: to Semaphore, ABC said the email was just part of 105 00:07:12,315 --> 00:07:19,835 Speaker 1: the network's internal dialogue about coverage and watch this happen now. 106 00:07:20,195 --> 00:07:23,835 Speaker 1: The right wing media eye of sour on is being 107 00:07:23,955 --> 00:07:29,075 Speaker 1: dragged into position and aimed at Kim Godwin and ABC 108 00:07:29,875 --> 00:07:40,155 Speaker 1: and Disney as we speak. Also, you have to give 109 00:07:40,235 --> 00:07:42,875 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan and James Comer and Trump and all the 110 00:07:42,875 --> 00:07:46,115 Speaker 1: rest of the fascists credit for one thing, and one 111 00:07:46,195 --> 00:07:52,475 Speaker 1: thing only, big balls. Nothing in them, nothing near them, 112 00:07:52,715 --> 00:07:58,435 Speaker 1: but big balls. If your witness or my witness, we're 113 00:07:58,515 --> 00:08:02,515 Speaker 1: now in jail without bail until a trial that will 114 00:08:02,555 --> 00:08:04,795 Speaker 1: not start for months, and we therefore had to say hey, 115 00:08:04,875 --> 00:08:06,915 Speaker 1: well yeah, but we have this other witness and we're 116 00:08:06,915 --> 00:08:09,395 Speaker 1: going to interview with him, and well, sure, he's also 117 00:08:09,475 --> 00:08:14,475 Speaker 1: in jail for security fraud for fourteen years. All I 118 00:08:14,475 --> 00:08:16,795 Speaker 1: can think of we need Kevin Bacon to play this 119 00:08:16,955 --> 00:08:20,595 Speaker 1: witness like he played Willie O'Keefe and JFK you a 120 00:08:20,675 --> 00:08:26,555 Speaker 1: handsome man, mister Koma. If that's where you and I 121 00:08:26,595 --> 00:08:30,275 Speaker 1: are in impeaching and dirtying up the president, we are 122 00:08:30,355 --> 00:08:35,115 Speaker 1: not doubling down on the age plot against Joe Biden. 123 00:08:36,355 --> 00:08:39,555 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan and Jamie Comer doubled down their not very 124 00:08:39,595 --> 00:08:44,515 Speaker 1: subtle Burner account House Judiciary GOP. They have tweeted that 125 00:08:44,555 --> 00:08:51,515 Speaker 1: they have subpoened Attorney General Garland demanding quote records including transcripts, notes, video, 126 00:08:51,555 --> 00:08:56,235 Speaker 1: and audio files related to Special Counsel Robert Herr's investigation. 127 00:08:57,795 --> 00:09:00,555 Speaker 1: First of all, god damn it, this means Merrick Garland 128 00:09:00,595 --> 00:09:05,715 Speaker 1: is still Attorney General. God damn it. Secondly, obviously Garland 129 00:09:05,715 --> 00:09:08,475 Speaker 1: should ignore the subpoena and just issue a statement reading 130 00:09:08,515 --> 00:09:13,235 Speaker 1: so Jim Jordan consider us even knowing him, because there 131 00:09:13,235 --> 00:09:16,235 Speaker 1: are times when I think he thinks the statue of 132 00:09:16,475 --> 00:09:20,235 Speaker 1: justice in her blindfold is actually just a bad depiction 133 00:09:20,395 --> 00:09:24,155 Speaker 1: of him. He will probably comply and we can add 134 00:09:24,195 --> 00:09:26,675 Speaker 1: that to the list of things Biden should fire him for, 135 00:09:26,755 --> 00:09:30,475 Speaker 1: but won't. I'm sad to say this, but I really 136 00:09:30,515 --> 00:09:33,595 Speaker 1: do think we have to prepare a series of flash 137 00:09:33,755 --> 00:09:38,675 Speaker 1: cards for all future members of all future Democratic administrations 138 00:09:38,715 --> 00:09:42,835 Speaker 1: and cabinets, flash cards that read, what would a Republican 139 00:09:42,915 --> 00:09:47,475 Speaker 1: do for Garland? The Republican would be Bill Barr, And 140 00:09:47,555 --> 00:09:49,835 Speaker 1: of course what he would have done first was gut 141 00:09:50,075 --> 00:09:53,075 Speaker 1: Robert Hurr's report before it was released and declared it 142 00:09:53,195 --> 00:09:57,235 Speaker 1: fully exonerated Biden, and issued an executive summary that was 143 00:09:57,355 --> 00:10:01,515 Speaker 1: longer and more unreadable than the original, and actually not 144 00:10:01,595 --> 00:10:06,795 Speaker 1: released hers report until the year twenty seventy. That ship 145 00:10:06,835 --> 00:10:10,235 Speaker 1: has sailed. There's still plenty of time, though, to turn 146 00:10:10,275 --> 00:10:12,835 Speaker 1: to the second Bill Barr flash card and say, you 147 00:10:12,875 --> 00:10:16,635 Speaker 1: are contesting this subpoena from Comer and Jordan, and while 148 00:10:16,875 --> 00:10:20,795 Speaker 1: the subpoena is being adjudicated, it would be inappropriate for 149 00:10:20,795 --> 00:10:24,675 Speaker 1: former Special Counsel Robert Hurr to make any comment in 150 00:10:24,795 --> 00:10:29,635 Speaker 1: Congress or outside of it, and his appearance next Monday 151 00:10:29,675 --> 00:10:36,075 Speaker 1: is canceled. That is what Garland should do. Now, look 152 00:10:36,115 --> 00:10:39,435 Speaker 1: for a window to just not do what the other 153 00:10:39,595 --> 00:10:43,155 Speaker 1: party wants for purely political reasons, and also find a 154 00:10:43,195 --> 00:10:47,395 Speaker 1: way to jiu jitsu their attempt back at them to 155 00:10:47,515 --> 00:10:52,155 Speaker 1: punish them, sue to stop the subpoena for the her transcripts, notes, 156 00:10:52,235 --> 00:10:55,795 Speaker 1: video and audio files, write something flowery about departmental privilege, 157 00:10:56,075 --> 00:10:59,195 Speaker 1: justice and the sanctity of the legal system and playing 158 00:10:59,235 --> 00:11:02,835 Speaker 1: out and say under the circumstances her can't testify. Oops, 159 00:11:03,595 --> 00:11:05,195 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out on a li and say 160 00:11:05,235 --> 00:11:07,435 Speaker 1: this is not what Merrick Garland is going to do. 161 00:11:08,635 --> 00:11:12,515 Speaker 1: So the her thing will keep the age plot against 162 00:11:12,635 --> 00:11:16,515 Speaker 1: Joe Biden alive into next week, which is why I 163 00:11:16,555 --> 00:11:20,035 Speaker 1: went in on Bob Costas and the others about Age yesterday, 164 00:11:20,475 --> 00:11:22,875 Speaker 1: and Garland will not do anything to stop it, and 165 00:11:22,915 --> 00:11:25,355 Speaker 1: so it will carry on like a low grade fever 166 00:11:25,555 --> 00:11:30,075 Speaker 1: until perhaps election day, or if Trump's dementia crisis fully 167 00:11:30,075 --> 00:11:35,355 Speaker 1: blossoms and Trump starts speaking in tongues, then things change, 168 00:11:35,595 --> 00:11:41,275 Speaker 1: I mean speaking in tongues all the time. Still that 169 00:11:41,355 --> 00:11:44,355 Speaker 1: the larger Republican plot against Joe Biden has been truly 170 00:11:44,475 --> 00:11:48,075 Speaker 1: rocked and weakened by the arrest of Alexander Smirnoff twice 171 00:11:48,595 --> 00:11:51,875 Speaker 1: and the no bail is evidenced by the fact that 172 00:11:51,915 --> 00:11:57,035 Speaker 1: even Trump or Larry Kudlow, who transitioned seamlessly from drunken 173 00:11:57,235 --> 00:12:00,715 Speaker 1: Trump Director of the National Economic Council to drunken host 174 00:12:00,755 --> 00:12:04,595 Speaker 1: of a show on Fox Business, even he asked comer 175 00:12:04,955 --> 00:12:07,515 Speaker 1: if the Smirnoff arrest meant it really was true that 176 00:12:07,515 --> 00:12:12,355 Speaker 1: the impeachment sham was over. Well, comer saw that big 177 00:12:12,355 --> 00:12:16,115 Speaker 1: old DC five a metro bus coming down the road 178 00:12:16,195 --> 00:12:22,755 Speaker 1: towards Lanfont Plaza and pounced, that's not true. Smirnov was 179 00:12:22,755 --> 00:12:26,155 Speaker 1: a tip that we were saved from Chuck Grassley, ha 180 00:12:26,515 --> 00:12:31,035 Speaker 1: ha ha. We investigated the tip, but we couldn't determine 181 00:12:31,035 --> 00:12:33,355 Speaker 1: whether or not the tip was accurate because we didn't 182 00:12:33,395 --> 00:12:37,315 Speaker 1: know who the informant was. Oh we Jim Jordan and 183 00:12:37,395 --> 00:12:41,235 Speaker 1: I knew about the informant. Was what Christopher Ray told 184 00:12:41,315 --> 00:12:42,675 Speaker 1: us honest. 185 00:12:43,035 --> 00:12:44,875 Speaker 2: I ran out of gas, I had a flat tire, 186 00:12:44,875 --> 00:12:46,955 Speaker 2: I didn't have enough money for Campfair. My tucks didn't 187 00:12:46,995 --> 00:12:48,955 Speaker 2: come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in 188 00:12:48,995 --> 00:12:51,035 Speaker 2: from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was 189 00:12:51,075 --> 00:12:53,875 Speaker 2: an earthquake, a terrible flood, locust. It wasn't my fault. 190 00:12:53,875 --> 00:12:54,755 Speaker 2: I swear to God. 191 00:12:57,235 --> 00:13:00,715 Speaker 1: I may have added something to that quote, but I 192 00:13:00,795 --> 00:13:05,435 Speaker 1: did not add comber throwing Grassly under the bus. Oh no, no, 193 00:13:05,515 --> 00:13:07,755 Speaker 1: it's all his fault over there, that old guy in 194 00:13:07,835 --> 00:13:13,635 Speaker 1: the Senate to Thank God, Chuck Grassley is not alive 195 00:13:13,835 --> 00:13:21,795 Speaker 1: to see this sad day. Okay, back to the electoral 196 00:13:21,835 --> 00:13:24,595 Speaker 1: third rails I mentioned, And I'm not sure whether Biden 197 00:13:24,675 --> 00:13:27,115 Speaker 1: has to bend in some way to voters in Michigan, 198 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:31,035 Speaker 1: or he has to throw cold water on them, or 199 00:13:31,035 --> 00:13:35,115 Speaker 1: he just has to wait it out. I'm surprisingly agnostic 200 00:13:35,115 --> 00:13:37,515 Speaker 1: about the Middle East, but if the people being killed 201 00:13:37,515 --> 00:13:41,555 Speaker 1: there were all named Olderman, I'd be pissed at somebody too, 202 00:13:41,555 --> 00:13:45,115 Speaker 1: and maybe the president. On the other hand, if they 203 00:13:45,235 --> 00:13:48,595 Speaker 1: were all named Olderman and Trump had vowed to prohibit 204 00:13:48,635 --> 00:13:51,315 Speaker 1: any further people named Olderman from ever coming into this 205 00:13:51,395 --> 00:13:54,195 Speaker 1: country again, and if the writing was on the wall 206 00:13:54,195 --> 00:13:57,475 Speaker 1: that if Trump regains power eventually the bloodlust machine he 207 00:13:57,555 --> 00:13:59,915 Speaker 1: will have to throw into high gear this time will 208 00:13:59,955 --> 00:14:06,635 Speaker 1: eventually turn towards all those Olderman Americans, I would tread 209 00:14:06,915 --> 00:14:12,075 Speaker 1: carefully in how I criticized Biden, because to drop the euphemism. 210 00:14:12,115 --> 00:14:14,995 Speaker 1: If you think Biden is wrong about Palestinians and Muslims. 211 00:14:14,995 --> 00:14:19,075 Speaker 1: Way do you see Trump? I do not know when 212 00:14:19,155 --> 00:14:24,155 Speaker 1: Biden has to make pro Palestinian protesters everywhere grasp that nettle. 213 00:14:24,355 --> 00:14:29,595 Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't, but it may be his best weapon. Now. 214 00:14:29,635 --> 00:14:33,235 Speaker 1: The other third rail gallup pole. In January, what is 215 00:14:33,275 --> 00:14:36,675 Speaker 1: the most important problem facing this country today? And twenty 216 00:14:36,715 --> 00:14:43,475 Speaker 1: one percent of Americans said the government twenty percent said immigration? 217 00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:48,995 Speaker 1: Inflation thirteen percent, economy in general twelve Nothing other than 218 00:14:49,155 --> 00:14:53,115 Speaker 1: unifying the country at six percent was bigger than five percent. 219 00:14:53,595 --> 00:14:56,555 Speaker 1: The new gallup pole at the end of February, what 220 00:14:56,675 --> 00:14:59,755 Speaker 1: is the most important problem facing this country today? Immigration? 221 00:15:00,275 --> 00:15:05,555 Speaker 1: Twenty eight percent. That's forty percent growth in a month. 222 00:15:05,955 --> 00:15:09,995 Speaker 1: In a month. Now, it's a catch all. If you 223 00:15:10,075 --> 00:15:12,635 Speaker 1: think there's too much immigration, that goes into that number. 224 00:15:12,675 --> 00:15:15,035 Speaker 1: If you think the fascists are exploiting the issue, that 225 00:15:15,155 --> 00:15:17,915 Speaker 1: also goes into that number. But I'm gonna guess here 226 00:15:17,955 --> 00:15:20,995 Speaker 1: that no, it's probably not a sudden wave of Umbridge 227 00:15:21,475 --> 00:15:24,355 Speaker 1: against Republicans xenophobia, and it's probably not a different wave 228 00:15:24,395 --> 00:15:27,755 Speaker 1: of Umbridge against Trump and his little whore Mike Johnson 229 00:15:27,795 --> 00:15:31,555 Speaker 1: for scuttling the border deal. So now Biden is going 230 00:15:31,595 --> 00:15:35,555 Speaker 1: to have to grasp this nettle, and before he starts, 231 00:15:35,635 --> 00:15:39,475 Speaker 1: as rumored, throwing out executive orders that might actually damage 232 00:15:39,995 --> 00:15:43,955 Speaker 1: this nation's sacro sank position as mother of exiles. With 233 00:15:44,155 --> 00:15:47,395 Speaker 1: lamp lit beside the Golden door, I'm going to think 234 00:15:47,435 --> 00:15:51,235 Speaker 1: aloud here and say, what is the most meaningless thing 235 00:15:51,395 --> 00:15:54,475 Speaker 1: Joe Biden could do about the border that would get 236 00:15:54,515 --> 00:15:58,955 Speaker 1: the biggest political bang for his buck? In other words, 237 00:15:59,395 --> 00:16:02,955 Speaker 1: again the Republican flashcards. What would a Republican do here? 238 00:16:02,995 --> 00:16:07,515 Speaker 1: What stunt would do the most to deflate the anti 239 00:16:07,635 --> 00:16:12,595 Speaker 1: immigrant moment and momentum and maybe pull the rug out 240 00:16:12,675 --> 00:16:16,595 Speaker 1: from Trump and Johnson and all the rest. The answer 241 00:16:16,715 --> 00:16:24,275 Speaker 1: is steal Trump's stunt? Steal it? What stunt? What has 242 00:16:24,315 --> 00:16:27,435 Speaker 1: he promised since twenty fifteen? Like a kid in one 243 00:16:27,435 --> 00:16:30,275 Speaker 1: of those hold me back, hold me back non fights 244 00:16:30,315 --> 00:16:32,675 Speaker 1: on the street. What has he promised for a decade 245 00:16:32,755 --> 00:16:36,955 Speaker 1: he would do if only they, the Democrats, or the 246 00:16:37,035 --> 00:16:40,835 Speaker 1: Republican Congress, or the devil had not rigged it against 247 00:16:40,915 --> 00:16:48,235 Speaker 1: him up there on the cross where he lives. What stunt? 248 00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:53,795 Speaker 1: A wall? Again, I'm spitballing here. Maybe it is an 249 00:16:53,835 --> 00:16:56,595 Speaker 1: impractical pivot, Maybe it would be too much of a shock. 250 00:16:57,155 --> 00:16:59,835 Speaker 1: Maybe a lot of angry Democrats would ruin the whole 251 00:16:59,835 --> 00:17:02,355 Speaker 1: plan by immediately shouting that the wall would have no 252 00:17:02,515 --> 00:17:04,955 Speaker 1: practical effect on immigration and would only be as of 253 00:17:04,955 --> 00:17:07,915 Speaker 1: militarization and hate. And they would never hear anybody saying, 254 00:17:07,995 --> 00:17:12,595 Speaker 1: sh we know that, that's why we're stealing it. Think 255 00:17:12,635 --> 00:17:15,315 Speaker 1: of it as a phil specter wall. It's a wall 256 00:17:15,395 --> 00:17:20,275 Speaker 1: of sound, It's a wonder wall. Maybe the wall is 257 00:17:20,355 --> 00:17:24,875 Speaker 1: all the improvements in organizing asylum and immigration that we 258 00:17:24,995 --> 00:17:29,715 Speaker 1: met along the way that we could sneak in as 259 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:32,515 Speaker 1: long as these morons see three feet of wall going 260 00:17:32,635 --> 00:17:38,315 Speaker 1: up somewhere. Because the wall, as the stupider people in 261 00:17:38,355 --> 00:17:42,835 Speaker 1: our country understand, it, is not an actual thing. It's 262 00:17:42,875 --> 00:17:47,355 Speaker 1: an idea. It's a bad idea. It's a useless idea. 263 00:17:47,675 --> 00:17:50,315 Speaker 1: It's an idea that will get ever more useless as 264 00:17:50,355 --> 00:17:54,195 Speaker 1: the climate refugees start to come. But as a symbol, 265 00:17:54,715 --> 00:17:58,595 Speaker 1: if Joe Biden came up with some sort of wall idea, 266 00:17:59,195 --> 00:18:03,075 Speaker 1: he might turn all the gravity off in Trump Land. 267 00:18:04,035 --> 00:18:06,955 Speaker 1: What do they do if, during the State of the 268 00:18:07,075 --> 00:18:10,755 Speaker 1: Union next week, Joe Biden announces executive orders to build 269 00:18:10,795 --> 00:18:14,795 Speaker 1: a wall. What happens to the essence of Trump if 270 00:18:14,795 --> 00:18:18,595 Speaker 1: his big endless two minutes, hate is wrested from his hands. 271 00:18:20,155 --> 00:18:23,275 Speaker 1: The Trump mob has not batted an eye over Trump 272 00:18:23,275 --> 00:18:27,195 Speaker 1: destroying the bipartisan border security deal. Ah, but let's see 273 00:18:27,195 --> 00:18:29,235 Speaker 1: what they do when Trump now tells them they have 274 00:18:29,315 --> 00:18:35,915 Speaker 1: to oppose a wall on the border. Because Trump is 275 00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:39,315 Speaker 1: intending to lean into the wall again before the election, 276 00:18:39,795 --> 00:18:43,955 Speaker 1: it may become his number one issue. Nothing about a 277 00:18:43,955 --> 00:18:45,955 Speaker 1: wall makes any real sense, of course, But I think 278 00:18:45,995 --> 00:18:48,155 Speaker 1: you and I understand that the true centerpiece to Trump's 279 00:18:48,155 --> 00:18:51,755 Speaker 1: support is the unchecked buyers of stupid people in this country. 280 00:18:52,395 --> 00:18:55,235 Speaker 1: A wall wouldn't work. It hasn't worked with those climate 281 00:18:55,275 --> 00:18:57,955 Speaker 1: refugees coming in in the years to come, it won't work. 282 00:18:58,955 --> 00:19:02,435 Speaker 1: The wall is a euphemism for Trump and his idiots, 283 00:19:02,435 --> 00:19:05,915 Speaker 1: a euphemism for hatred of brown people. But Biden could 284 00:19:05,955 --> 00:19:09,555 Speaker 1: make it a euphemism for organizing the border and, by 285 00:19:09,555 --> 00:19:14,875 Speaker 1: the way, taking away Trump's principal word and shoving the 286 00:19:14,995 --> 00:19:18,275 Speaker 1: rapidly growing rebellion in Texas up the ass of Governor 287 00:19:18,315 --> 00:19:23,475 Speaker 1: Greg Abbott Win Win Win. Now, of course, there are 288 00:19:23,475 --> 00:19:26,035 Speaker 1: the vivik Ramaswami types talking about a wall not just 289 00:19:26,115 --> 00:19:29,795 Speaker 1: at the southern border, but the northern border. A wall 290 00:19:30,515 --> 00:19:34,555 Speaker 1: along the Canada US border, all five and twenty five 291 00:19:34,595 --> 00:19:37,475 Speaker 1: miles of it, or if you're standing on the northern side, 292 00:19:37,475 --> 00:19:42,515 Speaker 1: going wtf is wrong with these people? And ninety one 293 00:19:43,075 --> 00:19:49,555 Speaker 1: kilometers metr ees it's the longest actual national border in 294 00:19:49,595 --> 00:19:53,075 Speaker 1: the world, and at one point before she recast herself 295 00:19:53,115 --> 00:19:56,115 Speaker 1: as the anti Trump, Nikki Haley said, quote it's the 296 00:19:56,155 --> 00:19:58,595 Speaker 1: northern border too. I think we do whatever it takes 297 00:19:58,595 --> 00:20:00,315 Speaker 1: to keep people out. If that's what it takes to 298 00:20:00,355 --> 00:20:02,595 Speaker 1: keep people out, we will do a wall. We will 299 00:20:02,595 --> 00:20:04,595 Speaker 1: do any sort of border patrol that we need to have. 300 00:20:06,315 --> 00:20:09,995 Speaker 1: Last week, another right winger as crazy and opportunistic as Ramaswami, 301 00:20:10,275 --> 00:20:15,075 Speaker 1: suggested one wall running from Texas westward to California, then 302 00:20:15,515 --> 00:20:18,635 Speaker 1: up on the inland border of California up the west 303 00:20:18,635 --> 00:20:21,235 Speaker 1: coast to Canada. Quote until they get rid of that, 304 00:20:21,355 --> 00:20:26,155 Speaker 1: Prime Minister. If you think this is nuts, this reminder 305 00:20:26,635 --> 00:20:31,035 Speaker 1: these people are nuts. These people are this stupid, These 306 00:20:31,035 --> 00:20:34,675 Speaker 1: people are this naive. These people think they can isolate 307 00:20:34,715 --> 00:20:40,475 Speaker 1: this country, keep them out and US in with aluminum 308 00:20:40,515 --> 00:20:44,275 Speaker 1: sighting and presumably some kind of pressed forward made out 309 00:20:44,275 --> 00:20:50,355 Speaker 1: of recycled Trump gold sneakers. They want a wall, even 310 00:20:50,395 --> 00:20:54,475 Speaker 1: if it doesn't work. And remember, from our point of view, 311 00:20:54,635 --> 00:20:56,475 Speaker 1: the fact that it would not work is one of 312 00:20:56,515 --> 00:21:00,915 Speaker 1: the features not a bug. Let's grab this. Let's exploit 313 00:21:00,995 --> 00:21:04,355 Speaker 1: the wall gap between the Biden campaign and the Trump 314 00:21:04,435 --> 00:21:13,395 Speaker 1: camp again symbolism. Do you remember the third wall that 315 00:21:13,475 --> 00:21:17,675 Speaker 1: at the height of Trump's first wall frenzy? The Public 316 00:21:17,875 --> 00:21:22,995 Speaker 1: Policy Polling pollsters asked one of their subtle, almost subversive, 317 00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:26,955 Speaker 1: nonsense questions of Trump supporters, question twelve, would you support 318 00:21:27,035 --> 00:21:31,835 Speaker 1: or oppose building a wall along the Atlantic Ocean to 319 00:21:31,995 --> 00:21:34,515 Speaker 1: keep Muslims from entering the country from the Middle East? 320 00:21:36,315 --> 00:21:38,875 Speaker 1: You heard that right. As you know, there is only 321 00:21:38,915 --> 00:21:41,675 Speaker 1: one correct answer to a question about building a wall 322 00:21:41,715 --> 00:21:44,155 Speaker 1: along the Atlantic Ocean, and it is are you out 323 00:21:44,155 --> 00:21:49,035 Speaker 1: of your goddamned mind? But are you out of your 324 00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:53,555 Speaker 1: goddamned mind? Was not one of the choices. Trump supporters 325 00:21:53,595 --> 00:21:58,235 Speaker 1: were offered only yes, no, or not sure. Thirty one 326 00:21:58,275 --> 00:22:01,515 Speaker 1: percent of them said yes, thirty one percent of them 327 00:22:01,555 --> 00:22:04,595 Speaker 1: said yes they were in favor of an Atlantic wall 328 00:22:04,755 --> 00:22:08,035 Speaker 1: to keep out the Muslims, fifty two percent said no 329 00:22:08,075 --> 00:22:12,075 Speaker 1: they were not, seventeen percent said not sure, so forty 330 00:22:12,115 --> 00:22:17,675 Speaker 1: eight percent yes or maybe a wall to keep Muslims 331 00:22:17,675 --> 00:22:24,275 Speaker 1: from entering the country via the Atlantic Ocean? How How 332 00:22:24,315 --> 00:22:28,635 Speaker 1: are they? How? How are I can barely say it? 333 00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,875 Speaker 1: I could barely say it the first time I saw this, Paul, 334 00:22:30,915 --> 00:22:34,075 Speaker 1: I can barely say it now. How are they supposedly 335 00:22:34,755 --> 00:22:42,435 Speaker 1: breaching our present Atlantic fortifications at the moment rowboating in 336 00:22:42,475 --> 00:22:46,955 Speaker 1: from Syria? Are they swimming from the Hamas strongholds straight 337 00:22:47,035 --> 00:22:53,235 Speaker 1: to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina? Even assuming some spark of 338 00:22:53,315 --> 00:22:56,915 Speaker 1: humanity and intelligence? Among these thirty one percent of Trump 339 00:22:56,955 --> 00:23:01,875 Speaker 1: supporters are the Atlantic migrants getting from so called Islamic 340 00:23:01,995 --> 00:23:05,675 Speaker 1: state to Cubas somehow and then coming up from Cuba 341 00:23:06,355 --> 00:23:09,835 Speaker 1: on a nineteen fifty one Chevy pickup truck repurposed into 342 00:23:09,875 --> 00:23:14,595 Speaker 1: an ocean going vessel. The more you think about this 343 00:23:14,755 --> 00:23:17,235 Speaker 1: question and the nearly one in three Trump supporters who 344 00:23:17,235 --> 00:23:20,115 Speaker 1: do not know enough about geography, who do not know 345 00:23:20,235 --> 00:23:22,675 Speaker 1: enough about construction, do not know enough about how deep 346 00:23:22,755 --> 00:23:24,995 Speaker 1: the water in the ocean might be, do not know 347 00:23:25,115 --> 00:23:29,155 Speaker 1: enough about you know, life, The less law worthy it gets, 348 00:23:29,315 --> 00:23:31,075 Speaker 1: and the more it takes on a shape resembling the 349 00:23:31,195 --> 00:23:35,995 Speaker 1: entirety of Trump's era polluting our nation's history. Start with 350 00:23:36,035 --> 00:23:38,355 Speaker 1: a threat that exists only in theory. Since nine to eleven, 351 00:23:38,395 --> 00:23:40,915 Speaker 1: no active terrorism has been conducted in this country by 352 00:23:40,995 --> 00:23:44,035 Speaker 1: people who were here illegally. Add to that a non 353 00:23:44,075 --> 00:23:47,955 Speaker 1: existent paranoid fever. The terrorists they're streaming into this country 354 00:23:47,955 --> 00:23:52,355 Speaker 1: from every corner, multiply it all by fear, an unthinking 355 00:23:52,435 --> 00:23:55,915 Speaker 1: desire for mindless revenge and violence, and a demagogue happy 356 00:23:55,915 --> 00:23:58,235 Speaker 1: to exploit it so we can take over this country. 357 00:23:58,435 --> 00:24:00,195 Speaker 1: And you get question twelve, do you. 358 00:24:00,115 --> 00:24:03,395 Speaker 2: Support an Atlantic water keep out them Muslims? Yes, thirty 359 00:24:03,435 --> 00:24:09,475 Speaker 2: one percent. Like caveat this, Trump is not actually proposed 360 00:24:09,555 --> 00:24:13,875 Speaker 2: building a wall along the Atlantic. I think a wall 361 00:24:13,915 --> 00:24:15,915 Speaker 2: which would have to be two thousand and sixty nine 362 00:24:15,955 --> 00:24:18,515 Speaker 2: miles long, or ten times that long, if you wanted 363 00:24:18,595 --> 00:24:21,835 Speaker 2: to be really safe and block off all the rivers 364 00:24:22,275 --> 00:24:24,315 Speaker 2: and the lakes and the other bodies of water which 365 00:24:24,395 --> 00:24:29,875 Speaker 2: connect to the Atlantic. He has not proposed destroying every 366 00:24:29,875 --> 00:24:32,795 Speaker 2: beach and every harbor, and every marina and every dock 367 00:24:32,875 --> 00:24:34,755 Speaker 2: and every pier and every bit of shipping and every 368 00:24:34,795 --> 00:24:37,395 Speaker 2: business and every city dependent on tourism and beach goers. 369 00:24:37,995 --> 00:24:42,595 Speaker 1: I think he didn't say this. The people who want 370 00:24:42,635 --> 00:24:46,715 Speaker 1: to vote for him said this wall off Miami all 371 00:24:46,755 --> 00:24:50,395 Speaker 1: of Florida, Georgia, the Carolina Is, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, 372 00:24:50,395 --> 00:24:52,915 Speaker 1: New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and a Hampshire, Vermont in May 373 00:24:52,995 --> 00:25:00,315 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixty nine miles. This all underscores one 374 00:25:00,475 --> 00:25:03,995 Speaker 1: key point. The co founder of the Federalist Society said 375 00:25:04,435 --> 00:25:06,635 Speaker 1: that three hundred and fifty five million dollar fine against 376 00:25:06,675 --> 00:25:08,755 Speaker 1: Trump in New York now closer to four hundred and 377 00:25:08,755 --> 00:25:11,955 Speaker 1: sixty six million, was the worst political act since Aaron 378 00:25:12,035 --> 00:25:18,635 Speaker 1: Burr shot Alexander Hamilton Ellen BurrH. And there was the 379 00:25:18,715 --> 00:25:23,835 Speaker 1: Jonathan Turley image of Trump being told by the judge 380 00:25:24,115 --> 00:25:26,315 Speaker 1: to do everything except jump into the wood chipper. And 381 00:25:26,315 --> 00:25:29,515 Speaker 1: thanks again for that image, John, It's comforted me in 382 00:25:29,555 --> 00:25:33,555 Speaker 1: the days since you said it. But this and this 383 00:25:33,835 --> 00:25:37,195 Speaker 1: thirty one percent that wants an Atlantic wall to keep 384 00:25:37,235 --> 00:25:42,875 Speaker 1: out surfboarding Muslims in Burkinis underscores that this is no 385 00:25:42,955 --> 00:25:46,315 Speaker 1: longer about the proud, defiant stupidity, the valiant struggle against 386 00:25:46,355 --> 00:25:52,555 Speaker 1: mental health of Trump's mobs. What happens to them the 387 00:25:52,595 --> 00:25:54,915 Speaker 1: twenty eight percent of them who think immigration is the 388 00:25:55,195 --> 00:25:59,955 Speaker 1: biggest problem facing this country, with securing democracy having now 389 00:26:00,075 --> 00:26:04,515 Speaker 1: dropped to three percent. But racism having jumped all the 390 00:26:04,515 --> 00:26:10,035 Speaker 1: way up to four percent. What happens to the Trump 391 00:26:10,355 --> 00:26:14,715 Speaker 1: gang if next Thursday, in the State of the Union, 392 00:26:15,195 --> 00:26:22,555 Speaker 1: President Biden suddenly announcing no, no, no, I'm building a wall. 393 00:26:22,635 --> 00:26:24,435 Speaker 1: I mean it might be worth it just for the 394 00:26:24,515 --> 00:26:37,115 Speaker 1: number of Trumpists whose empty heads fall off their own shoulders. Well, 395 00:26:37,155 --> 00:26:39,995 Speaker 1: when I said wall, I meant one that's seven and 396 00:26:39,995 --> 00:26:42,795 Speaker 1: a half inches long. Also of interest, here they are 397 00:26:42,835 --> 00:26:45,795 Speaker 1: still trying to scam Trump's cult into paying that fine 398 00:26:46,555 --> 00:26:49,755 Speaker 1: now at about four hundred and sixty six million in 399 00:26:49,795 --> 00:26:53,755 Speaker 1: a go fund me. But there has been a hidden 400 00:26:53,755 --> 00:26:56,715 Speaker 1: revelation in there from the woman behind that go fund 401 00:26:56,715 --> 00:27:00,075 Speaker 1: me for Trump. And don't look now, but the Right 402 00:27:00,195 --> 00:27:03,715 Speaker 1: may now be dealing with another one of those moms 403 00:27:03,835 --> 00:27:09,195 Speaker 1: for that kind the liberty delios. We're raising money for Trump, me, 404 00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:15,515 Speaker 1: my husband and his other wives. That's next. This is Countdown. 405 00:27:17,675 --> 00:27:42,795 Speaker 1: This is Countdown, with Keith Olboman still ahead of us 406 00:27:42,795 --> 00:27:45,955 Speaker 1: on this edition of Countdown. Let's continue this week's baseball 407 00:27:46,035 --> 00:27:49,475 Speaker 1: spring training theme and permit me to tell you the 408 00:27:49,515 --> 00:27:53,915 Speaker 1: tale of the day I paid cash to suppress a 409 00:27:53,995 --> 00:27:58,115 Speaker 1: story that would have rocked the World Series. The most 410 00:27:58,155 --> 00:28:01,755 Speaker 1: famous pitcher in baseball had gotten within inches of a 411 00:28:01,875 --> 00:28:06,115 Speaker 1: fight with a fan for of his his own team 412 00:28:06,155 --> 00:28:09,075 Speaker 1: in the middle of the World Series, and I made 413 00:28:09,115 --> 00:28:14,515 Speaker 1: sure nobody saw the video of it. Ahead in things 414 00:28:14,555 --> 00:28:18,715 Speaker 1: I promised not to tell first. Yes, still more idiots 415 00:28:18,715 --> 00:28:21,395 Speaker 1: to talk about. The daily roundup of the miss grants 416 00:28:21,435 --> 00:28:26,715 Speaker 1: morons than Dunning kruegerffects specimens who constitute today's worse persons 417 00:28:26,715 --> 00:28:31,355 Speaker 1: in the world, The morons worse Axios at its founder 418 00:28:31,395 --> 00:28:35,115 Speaker 1: Mike Allen and its reporter Hans Nichols. They posted a 419 00:28:35,115 --> 00:28:38,795 Speaker 1: piece by Nichols that feeds the Republican Biden age plot, 420 00:28:39,155 --> 00:28:42,955 Speaker 1: and they were then all promptly hoisted upon their own petard. 421 00:28:43,635 --> 00:28:49,235 Speaker 1: The title quote Biden's cheat sheets at fundraisers worry donors. 422 00:28:50,155 --> 00:28:53,955 Speaker 1: Within hours, a Tennessee Democratic County chair had posted a 423 00:28:53,955 --> 00:28:59,435 Speaker 1: photo of reporter Hans Nichols at a Washington press conference 424 00:28:59,555 --> 00:29:05,155 Speaker 1: reading one of his questions from note cards, and then 425 00:29:05,195 --> 00:29:08,835 Speaker 1: he posted another photo of Mike Allen of Axios, the 426 00:29:08,995 --> 00:29:13,675 Speaker 1: co founder, interviewing James Comer at an event, and Mike 427 00:29:13,715 --> 00:29:18,715 Speaker 1: Allen's lap was filled with pages of notes and note cards. 428 00:29:20,395 --> 00:29:24,835 Speaker 1: The runner up, Rob Schmidt fired by local news operations 429 00:29:24,835 --> 00:29:27,395 Speaker 1: in Miami, Los Angeles, and New York and then fired 430 00:29:27,435 --> 00:29:31,115 Speaker 1: by Fox News, and then given his own show on Newsmax, 431 00:29:31,475 --> 00:29:37,955 Speaker 1: which sadly is not entitled just throw whatever Schmidt sticks 432 00:29:37,955 --> 00:29:40,475 Speaker 1: to the wall. I mean, if they did that, I'd 433 00:29:40,475 --> 00:29:42,795 Speaker 1: give him some credit for it. He had Republican Congress 434 00:29:42,795 --> 00:29:46,035 Speaker 1: and Ken Buck on as a guest, and ken Buck 435 00:29:46,115 --> 00:29:49,195 Speaker 1: had to explain to him why the impeachment of Alejandro 436 00:29:49,315 --> 00:29:53,355 Speaker 1: Majorcis was nonsensical, which is when Rob Schmidt explained to 437 00:29:53,395 --> 00:29:57,715 Speaker 1: his viewers that he doesn't understand what laws are. 438 00:29:57,955 --> 00:30:00,195 Speaker 3: Young girl that was killed in the state of Georgia 439 00:30:00,275 --> 00:30:03,755 Speaker 3: by a migrant from Venezuela. I just I don't understand 440 00:30:03,795 --> 00:30:06,275 Speaker 3: how that doesn't meet the bar of impeachment for myorcers. 441 00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:11,515 Speaker 4: Well, what's the crime? What's the crime? Yeah, I mean 442 00:30:11,795 --> 00:30:14,915 Speaker 4: eighteen United States? Can you tell me, Rob, what is 443 00:30:14,915 --> 00:30:15,355 Speaker 4: the crime? 444 00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:19,075 Speaker 3: I think lying to the public over and over again 445 00:30:19,155 --> 00:30:22,035 Speaker 3: telling them that the border is secure. I think that 446 00:30:22,475 --> 00:30:24,555 Speaker 3: should be a crime. I mean, I think it should 447 00:30:24,555 --> 00:30:26,755 Speaker 3: be a crime to take a job and to exploit 448 00:30:26,795 --> 00:30:28,955 Speaker 3: it for just the opposite, is it not. 449 00:30:29,715 --> 00:30:31,435 Speaker 4: Well, it's not a crime to take a job and 450 00:30:31,515 --> 00:30:33,635 Speaker 4: exploit it for the opposite, But in terms of lying 451 00:30:33,675 --> 00:30:36,595 Speaker 4: to Congress. That is a crime. And in his opinion, 452 00:30:37,395 --> 00:30:39,675 Speaker 4: the border was secure. In my opinion, that's not secure. 453 00:30:39,715 --> 00:30:42,595 Speaker 4: And your opinion, that's not secure. But when you start 454 00:30:42,595 --> 00:30:46,475 Speaker 4: getting into opinions and charging people under eighteen United States 455 00:30:46,555 --> 00:30:49,395 Speaker 4: Code one thousand and one with a false statement, that 456 00:30:49,435 --> 00:30:52,515 Speaker 4: gets very specific. And he would not be convicted in front. 457 00:30:52,275 --> 00:30:53,275 Speaker 1: Of a jury. 458 00:30:53,275 --> 00:30:55,675 Speaker 4: And I don't believe that is I believe it's a 459 00:30:55,995 --> 00:30:58,755 Speaker 4: crime to lie. I don't believe that he had specific 460 00:30:58,875 --> 00:31:00,915 Speaker 4: enough statement that it is a lie. 461 00:31:01,595 --> 00:31:05,435 Speaker 1: See. I think being on Newsmas should be a crime. 462 00:31:05,515 --> 00:31:10,795 Speaker 1: But I don't make the laws, and to Rob Schmidt's surprise, 463 00:31:11,915 --> 00:31:16,635 Speaker 1: neither does he. By the way, Rob Schmidt's mother is 464 00:31:17,595 --> 00:31:22,995 Speaker 1: a migrant from Iran. No less, I bet the viewers 465 00:31:23,035 --> 00:31:26,755 Speaker 1: don't know that, do they? But our winners Elena and 466 00:31:26,995 --> 00:31:31,555 Speaker 1: Grant cardone right wing nut jobs. He claims to be 467 00:31:31,635 --> 00:31:34,595 Speaker 1: a financial expert of some kind. He manages four a 468 00:31:34,635 --> 00:31:38,835 Speaker 1: billion dollars in wealth, which is intriguing because his jaw 469 00:31:39,515 --> 00:31:43,115 Speaker 1: is actually wider than the top of his head. I mean, 470 00:31:43,515 --> 00:31:47,835 Speaker 1: you know, forceps, baby, I mean, got it caught in 471 00:31:47,915 --> 00:31:53,355 Speaker 1: the door somewhere. She is the genius who is still 472 00:31:53,395 --> 00:31:56,875 Speaker 1: running and still running ads for a new go fund 473 00:31:56,955 --> 00:31:59,835 Speaker 1: me to pay Trump's New York business fraud fine for him. 474 00:31:59,955 --> 00:32:02,955 Speaker 1: There's a lot going on here, the first ever worst 475 00:32:02,955 --> 00:32:07,395 Speaker 1: persons with sub paragraphs AB and C. First of all, 476 00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:10,035 Speaker 1: they're trying to raise three hundred and fifty five million 477 00:32:10,075 --> 00:32:14,355 Speaker 1: dollars to pay off this fine against Trump. Guys, Hubby 478 00:32:14,635 --> 00:32:17,595 Speaker 1: manages four billion in assets. Why doesn't he pay it? 479 00:32:18,475 --> 00:32:22,595 Speaker 1: I mean, how dedicated are you to this bit? Secondly, 480 00:32:22,755 --> 00:32:26,075 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty five million. The last official figure 481 00:32:26,115 --> 00:32:28,915 Speaker 1: with interest of how much Trump now owes the state 482 00:32:28,955 --> 00:32:32,075 Speaker 1: of New York pending the appeal courtesy Attorney General T. 483 00:32:32,355 --> 00:32:35,675 Speaker 1: James and her calculator was four hundred and sixty four million, 484 00:32:36,275 --> 00:32:39,155 Speaker 1: eight hundred and five thousand, three hundred thirty six dollars 485 00:32:39,235 --> 00:32:42,355 Speaker 1: and seventy cents. But we think it is now actually 486 00:32:42,355 --> 00:32:44,915 Speaker 1: passed the four hundred and sixty six million dollar plateau 487 00:32:45,275 --> 00:32:50,195 Speaker 1: last night. So you're you're just gonna let Trump pay 488 00:32:50,235 --> 00:32:52,475 Speaker 1: the one hundred and eleven million in interest. That's not 489 00:32:52,675 --> 00:32:57,595 Speaker 1: very sporting of you. And Thirdly, the amount donated by 490 00:32:57,595 --> 00:33:00,835 Speaker 1: the suckers so far is one million, two hundred and 491 00:33:00,835 --> 00:33:04,395 Speaker 1: sixty nine thousand dollars after only two weeks, only three 492 00:33:04,435 --> 00:33:06,795 Speaker 1: hundred fifty three million, seven hundred and thirty one thousand 493 00:33:06,835 --> 00:33:10,235 Speaker 1: dollars short. At this rate, you'll get the whole amount 494 00:33:10,275 --> 00:33:14,635 Speaker 1: in just nine years and thirty seven days twelve years 495 00:33:14,635 --> 00:33:19,275 Speaker 1: if you cover the interest. But fourthly, an unexpected reveal 496 00:33:19,315 --> 00:33:22,395 Speaker 1: from missus Cardone here that I don't think mister Cardon 497 00:33:22,475 --> 00:33:26,035 Speaker 1: wanted anybody to know, which I haven't seen reported anywhere. 498 00:33:26,395 --> 00:33:30,315 Speaker 1: This is how she introduces the Trump find gofund Me 499 00:33:30,515 --> 00:33:35,035 Speaker 1: to the gullible quote. My name is Elena Cardone, and 500 00:33:35,155 --> 00:33:40,195 Speaker 1: I am a wife of Grant Cardone, mother and ardent 501 00:33:40,275 --> 00:33:47,355 Speaker 1: supporter of American values. A wife, did you say like 502 00:33:47,555 --> 00:33:54,315 Speaker 1: one of several? Wow, it's one of those moms for 503 00:33:54,435 --> 00:33:59,075 Speaker 1: liberty things, isn't it. Waka waca waca Elena and Grant 504 00:33:59,115 --> 00:34:05,435 Speaker 1: Cardone and her sister wives two days, Parsons and Loorld. 505 00:34:13,395 --> 00:34:15,515 Speaker 1: Now to the number one story on the Countdown and 506 00:34:15,555 --> 00:34:18,475 Speaker 1: my favorite subject, me and things I promised not to tell, 507 00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:21,395 Speaker 1: And this one literally fits that title. I not only 508 00:34:21,475 --> 00:34:24,835 Speaker 1: promised not to tell this, I lost a job because 509 00:34:24,835 --> 00:34:28,355 Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell it. I am proud of my journalistic 510 00:34:28,395 --> 00:34:32,275 Speaker 1: ethics and sometimes well a lot of times I boast 511 00:34:32,355 --> 00:34:35,475 Speaker 1: too much about them, but I invoked them once on 512 00:34:35,515 --> 00:34:38,955 Speaker 1: October twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine. And if I had not, 513 00:34:39,075 --> 00:34:42,275 Speaker 1: and if I had wanted to do any job anywhere 514 00:34:42,795 --> 00:34:46,715 Speaker 1: for twenty three years, I would still be hosting the 515 00:34:46,755 --> 00:34:49,315 Speaker 1: Fox Baseball Game of the Week and the upcoming World 516 00:34:49,355 --> 00:34:53,555 Speaker 1: Series on Fox. But I couldn't because there are facts 517 00:34:53,755 --> 00:34:56,795 Speaker 1: and then there is truth, and often they are different things. 518 00:34:57,555 --> 00:35:00,275 Speaker 1: I'm covering the nineteen ninety nine World Series for Fox's 519 00:35:00,275 --> 00:35:03,275 Speaker 1: first attempt to compete with ESPN. I'm also the Fox 520 00:35:03,355 --> 00:35:07,435 Speaker 1: Baseball host and and the senior correspondent of Fox Sports News, 521 00:35:08,075 --> 00:35:10,635 Speaker 1: So we are going live from the field after each 522 00:35:10,675 --> 00:35:15,155 Speaker 1: World Series game for like two hours. The Yankees froze 523 00:35:15,195 --> 00:35:17,115 Speaker 1: the Braves in the first two games of that World 524 00:35:17,155 --> 00:35:19,115 Speaker 1: Series in Atlanta, and then on the off day, the 525 00:35:19,155 --> 00:35:22,915 Speaker 1: travel day, Monday morning, the twenty fifth, the producers and 526 00:35:23,035 --> 00:35:25,795 Speaker 1: crew flew out before sunrise to set up at Yankee 527 00:35:25,835 --> 00:35:29,515 Speaker 1: Stadium and the rest of us lazy quote talent unquote, 528 00:35:29,755 --> 00:35:33,355 Speaker 1: we flew out at midday. As we landed in New York, 529 00:35:33,395 --> 00:35:35,475 Speaker 1: I got a call from the lead producer who said, 530 00:35:35,555 --> 00:35:38,315 Speaker 1: don't go to the hotel first, come right to the ballpark. 531 00:35:38,355 --> 00:35:41,035 Speaker 1: Something amazing has just happened, and I need you to 532 00:35:41,115 --> 00:35:43,635 Speaker 1: decide to do whatever we're going to do about it. 533 00:35:45,155 --> 00:35:47,635 Speaker 1: So I go, and as the October sun is beginning 534 00:35:47,635 --> 00:35:50,915 Speaker 1: to set over Yankee Stadium, I get this story. As 535 00:35:50,955 --> 00:35:53,515 Speaker 1: the Yankee players have left the workout to go home 536 00:35:53,555 --> 00:35:56,915 Speaker 1: and get a good night's sleep, maybe before Game three 537 00:35:56,995 --> 00:36:00,235 Speaker 1: the next day, Roger Clemens of the Yankees has gotten 538 00:36:00,275 --> 00:36:03,875 Speaker 1: into an argument with a fan. With a Yankees fan 539 00:36:04,835 --> 00:36:07,515 Speaker 1: at the old Yankee Stadium, players had to walk a 540 00:36:07,715 --> 00:36:10,995 Speaker 1: very short gauntlet, maybe one hundred feet from the ballpark 541 00:36:11,075 --> 00:36:14,555 Speaker 1: exit to the player's parking lot. In retrospect, this seems 542 00:36:14,635 --> 00:36:18,155 Speaker 1: kind of crazy, but fans could wait behind police barricades 543 00:36:18,355 --> 00:36:23,155 Speaker 1: and yell and cheer and seek autographs and start arguments. 544 00:36:23,955 --> 00:36:26,315 Speaker 1: And as Roger Clemens steps out of the stadium, golf 545 00:36:26,395 --> 00:36:28,635 Speaker 1: viiser atop his head, his thoughts turning to his first 546 00:36:28,635 --> 00:36:31,995 Speaker 1: World Series appearance in thirteen years, his start in Game four, 547 00:36:32,115 --> 00:36:33,595 Speaker 1: which could very well be the game in which the 548 00:36:33,675 --> 00:36:35,995 Speaker 1: Yankees would sweep the Braves and win the World Series, 549 00:36:36,155 --> 00:36:38,715 Speaker 1: the climax of a long odyssey that has just brought 550 00:36:38,795 --> 00:36:42,115 Speaker 1: him to New York. That season. A fan starts screaming 551 00:36:42,195 --> 00:36:44,955 Speaker 1: at him that he has no right to be there. 552 00:36:45,675 --> 00:36:47,315 Speaker 1: If you wanted to come here, you could have come 553 00:36:47,355 --> 00:36:49,315 Speaker 1: here in ninety six, but you didn't want to be here. 554 00:36:50,315 --> 00:36:51,755 Speaker 1: For all I know, this is one of the guys 555 00:36:51,755 --> 00:36:55,795 Speaker 1: who was yelling at Ted Cruz Sunday night at Yankee Stadium. Anyway, 556 00:36:55,875 --> 00:36:59,155 Speaker 1: Roger Clemens is not Ted Cruz. He's six foot four, 557 00:36:59,635 --> 00:37:02,835 Speaker 1: two hundred and five. Then he had a hair trigger temper, 558 00:37:02,875 --> 00:37:05,835 Speaker 1: and as we suspected then and heard late, was reportedly 559 00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:10,915 Speaker 1: hopped up on steroids and amphetamines at least on game days. Amazingly, 560 00:37:10,955 --> 00:37:13,795 Speaker 1: the fan was bigger than he was, much bigger, and 561 00:37:13,835 --> 00:37:18,235 Speaker 1: the fan clearly started it. Clemens jousted with him verbally, 562 00:37:18,275 --> 00:37:20,755 Speaker 1: but backed away. He then walked away and got into 563 00:37:20,795 --> 00:37:22,835 Speaker 1: his waiting car and was about to be driven off 564 00:37:22,835 --> 00:37:28,235 Speaker 1: when the fans said something about Roger Clemens's kids. Well, 565 00:37:28,435 --> 00:37:30,995 Speaker 1: Clemens got back out of the car. The fans somehow 566 00:37:30,995 --> 00:37:33,835 Speaker 1: got around the police barricades, and immediately the two of 567 00:37:33,875 --> 00:37:37,115 Speaker 1: them were face to face, their noses almost touching, four 568 00:37:37,195 --> 00:37:40,795 Speaker 1: fingers jabbing at each other's chests and faces. They were 569 00:37:40,835 --> 00:37:44,955 Speaker 1: a split second away from a brawl. Another smaller fan 570 00:37:45,035 --> 00:37:48,035 Speaker 1: tried to interrupt Clemens by repeating, it's not worth it, Roger, 571 00:37:48,075 --> 00:37:50,915 Speaker 1: It's not worth it. And finally somebody grabbed the six 572 00:37:50,995 --> 00:37:55,035 Speaker 1: foot seven fan and Clemens beat red, backed away again, 573 00:37:55,995 --> 00:37:59,675 Speaker 1: shouted a few epithets, and it was over. It was 574 00:37:59,715 --> 00:38:02,915 Speaker 1: a story, it was dramatic, and it was made for 575 00:38:03,035 --> 00:38:05,795 Speaker 1: New York's tabloid newspapers, and it was in the middle 576 00:38:05,835 --> 00:38:09,435 Speaker 1: of the World Series, and there were no reporters present, 577 00:38:09,715 --> 00:38:14,515 Speaker 1: but it was on videotape. Yet another fan had one 578 00:38:14,555 --> 00:38:19,195 Speaker 1: of those early handheld nineteen ninety nine digital camquarders and 579 00:38:19,355 --> 00:38:22,355 Speaker 1: he was just recording the players leaving the ballpark, and 580 00:38:22,515 --> 00:38:27,555 Speaker 1: he recorded this, and the fan wanted to sell somebody 581 00:38:28,115 --> 00:38:31,315 Speaker 1: the tape. The guy showed our producer the video, and 582 00:38:31,315 --> 00:38:33,875 Speaker 1: our producer verified it showed the near fight. The fan 583 00:38:33,955 --> 00:38:36,675 Speaker 1: wanted two thousand dollars in cash, plus a ticket to 584 00:38:36,795 --> 00:38:40,035 Speaker 1: Game five of the series. I was the only person 585 00:38:40,115 --> 00:38:42,835 Speaker 1: from Fox there who had any game tickets, and the 586 00:38:42,835 --> 00:38:45,635 Speaker 1: guy was adamant no ticket. He would wait until the 587 00:38:45,715 --> 00:38:48,555 Speaker 1: sportscasters from the local station set up for their live 588 00:38:48,595 --> 00:38:50,915 Speaker 1: shots later that day. He would offer the tape to 589 00:38:50,995 --> 00:38:53,555 Speaker 1: each of them. Oh and he also wanted the tape 590 00:38:53,635 --> 00:38:56,555 Speaker 1: back after we were done with it, so I did 591 00:38:56,555 --> 00:38:59,075 Speaker 1: not wait. I said, yes, let me round up two 592 00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:03,275 Speaker 1: grand in cash in the Bronx in the street outside 593 00:39:03,315 --> 00:39:06,995 Speaker 1: the empty Yankee Stadium in the dark, give me the tape. 594 00:39:07,035 --> 00:39:09,195 Speaker 1: I'll give you the money. Tomorrow we'll meet here at 595 00:39:09,195 --> 00:39:11,355 Speaker 1: four pm, and I'll give you the tape back and 596 00:39:11,555 --> 00:39:14,355 Speaker 1: a ticket to Game five. So now we have to 597 00:39:14,355 --> 00:39:16,875 Speaker 1: get them to cash. Now, I grew up in that 598 00:39:17,035 --> 00:39:20,715 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium, and before then, I grew up in the Bronx. 599 00:39:20,755 --> 00:39:23,275 Speaker 1: I know where everything is. So I go to the 600 00:39:23,355 --> 00:39:27,715 Speaker 1: hidden ATM behind home Plate and I withdraw the maximum 601 00:39:27,795 --> 00:39:30,915 Speaker 1: that machine will give me two hundred dollars. We're still 602 00:39:30,955 --> 00:39:34,075 Speaker 1: a little short. I now go to every reporter and 603 00:39:34,155 --> 00:39:37,795 Speaker 1: every producer Fox has at this World series, until I 604 00:39:37,835 --> 00:39:40,675 Speaker 1: find nine of them willing to do just what I did. 605 00:39:41,075 --> 00:39:43,395 Speaker 1: I write them checks made out to cash for two 606 00:39:43,475 --> 00:39:46,715 Speaker 1: hundred bucks each. And now I've got two thousand dollars 607 00:39:46,795 --> 00:39:50,355 Speaker 1: in twenties in the Bronx in the street outside empty 608 00:39:50,395 --> 00:39:53,955 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium in the dark. It occurs to me, as 609 00:39:54,035 --> 00:39:57,195 Speaker 1: I'm giving the guy the money that legally I have 610 00:39:57,675 --> 00:40:02,155 Speaker 1: bought the tape not Fox me. It's my money. Most importantly, 611 00:40:02,195 --> 00:40:06,115 Speaker 1: it's my ticket. No deal without the ticket. So now 612 00:40:06,155 --> 00:40:08,435 Speaker 1: that it's not being sold to anybody else, just me, 613 00:40:08,555 --> 00:40:10,715 Speaker 1: The producer says, by the way, when the guy showed 614 00:40:10,715 --> 00:40:12,995 Speaker 1: me the tape, it does not start at the beginning 615 00:40:12,995 --> 00:40:16,075 Speaker 1: of the fight, And I say uh oh, and he 616 00:40:16,155 --> 00:40:18,915 Speaker 1: says yeah, And I say, we got to look at 617 00:40:18,915 --> 00:40:21,675 Speaker 1: this before we feed it to headquarters in LA because 618 00:40:21,715 --> 00:40:23,915 Speaker 1: the moment they get this tape, they're going to run 619 00:40:23,915 --> 00:40:28,395 Speaker 1: it non stop tonight and non stop tomorrow and non 620 00:40:28,515 --> 00:40:32,635 Speaker 1: stop Wednesday. Plus we are Fox, we own the New 621 00:40:32,715 --> 00:40:36,595 Speaker 1: York Post. They will put color stills from this videotape 622 00:40:36,595 --> 00:40:39,035 Speaker 1: on the front page and the back page and a 623 00:40:39,115 --> 00:40:44,955 Speaker 1: nice colorful middle spread. This is when my phone rings 624 00:40:45,555 --> 00:40:49,475 Speaker 1: and it is my immediate boss. His name is Tarnsio. 625 00:40:49,755 --> 00:40:52,435 Speaker 1: And Tarnsio never wanted to hire me, and I never 626 00:40:52,475 --> 00:40:53,915 Speaker 1: wanted to work for him. And oh, by the way, 627 00:40:53,955 --> 00:40:55,835 Speaker 1: he has not had a job in television that I've 628 00:40:55,835 --> 00:40:58,915 Speaker 1: been able to find out about since. And he's heard 629 00:40:58,955 --> 00:41:00,955 Speaker 1: that I have this tape and he sees it as 630 00:41:00,995 --> 00:41:03,875 Speaker 1: his ticket to success within Fox, and he's telling me 631 00:41:03,875 --> 00:41:06,315 Speaker 1: about his plans get it on Fox News and in 632 00:41:06,395 --> 00:41:09,115 Speaker 1: the Post and worldwide through Rupert Murdock, and I say, 633 00:41:09,555 --> 00:41:12,035 Speaker 1: we don't even know what's on this tape yet, and 634 00:41:12,155 --> 00:41:14,875 Speaker 1: our truck doesn't have anything to play it on. So 635 00:41:14,875 --> 00:41:16,835 Speaker 1: we're going to have to go to an electronics store 636 00:41:17,155 --> 00:41:21,395 Speaker 1: and buy a camcorder and figure this out. And this 637 00:41:21,515 --> 00:41:26,395 Speaker 1: Tarensio interrupts me and starts swearing at me. Now, despite 638 00:41:26,395 --> 00:41:29,155 Speaker 1: what is often written, I am not the caricature of 639 00:41:29,155 --> 00:41:32,195 Speaker 1: the angry employee that my reputation might suggest to you. 640 00:41:32,555 --> 00:41:36,155 Speaker 1: But if you swear at me, I'm not going to 641 00:41:36,195 --> 00:41:38,635 Speaker 1: get more reasonable, am I. I Am going to get 642 00:41:38,715 --> 00:41:41,595 Speaker 1: less reasonable. So it is at this point then I 643 00:41:41,675 --> 00:41:44,435 Speaker 1: tell Tarensio that the owner of the tape is me, 644 00:41:45,195 --> 00:41:47,995 Speaker 1: and I'm going to make these decisions, not him, and 645 00:41:48,035 --> 00:41:50,035 Speaker 1: that I'm going to hang up now so I can 646 00:41:50,075 --> 00:41:54,995 Speaker 1: go look at the tape. First, my producer and I 647 00:41:55,075 --> 00:41:57,915 Speaker 1: go to one of the seven hundred electronics stores along 648 00:41:57,915 --> 00:42:00,075 Speaker 1: Seventh Avenue in Midtown, the ones that have been holding 649 00:42:00,115 --> 00:42:03,275 Speaker 1: going out of business sales continuously since the year nineteen eighty. 650 00:42:03,915 --> 00:42:06,555 Speaker 1: I am not exad every week or so. I passed 651 00:42:06,595 --> 00:42:09,035 Speaker 1: the exact store where we bought that digital camcorder in 652 00:42:09,075 --> 00:42:12,235 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. The store is still there. The store 653 00:42:12,275 --> 00:42:15,635 Speaker 1: is going out of business. Sales also still there. We 654 00:42:15,675 --> 00:42:18,515 Speaker 1: sit down at a nice restaurant, order a nice meal, 655 00:42:18,555 --> 00:42:20,315 Speaker 1: and we look at the tape and the video is 656 00:42:20,355 --> 00:42:23,955 Speaker 1: amazingly well shot. But there is that one fatal problem. 657 00:42:24,435 --> 00:42:28,355 Speaker 1: Our amateur videographer didn't miss the start of the confrontation 658 00:42:28,715 --> 00:42:33,195 Speaker 1: between Clemens and the fan. He has hit record only 659 00:42:33,235 --> 00:42:36,395 Speaker 1: as Clemens is getting back out of his car. You 660 00:42:36,515 --> 00:42:40,315 Speaker 1: do not see the fans starting it, yelling at him. 661 00:42:40,515 --> 00:42:43,275 Speaker 1: You do not see the fan threatening Clemens. You do 662 00:42:43,395 --> 00:42:46,915 Speaker 1: not see the fan swearing at Clemens's kids. What you see, 663 00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:50,155 Speaker 1: beautifully framed by the way against the setting sun of 664 00:42:50,195 --> 00:42:54,435 Speaker 1: a late October evening, is Roger Clemens just getting out 665 00:42:54,435 --> 00:42:57,955 Speaker 1: of a car, without any visible provocation, going over and 666 00:42:58,035 --> 00:43:00,835 Speaker 1: shoving his finger in the face of some random Yankee 667 00:43:00,835 --> 00:43:05,275 Speaker 1: fan in a Yankees hat. Now there are at least 668 00:43:05,315 --> 00:43:07,875 Speaker 1: forty moments in this video that could be turned into 669 00:43:07,955 --> 00:43:11,875 Speaker 1: beautiful color photographs for the New York Post. And everything 670 00:43:11,955 --> 00:43:14,675 Speaker 1: Clemens says to the fan is clearly audible, and so 671 00:43:14,755 --> 00:43:18,435 Speaker 1: too is everything the fan says back. But anybody seeing 672 00:43:18,555 --> 00:43:21,475 Speaker 1: that video, no matter how much preamble we could possibly 673 00:43:21,475 --> 00:43:24,835 Speaker 1: give it, no matter how carefully we reconstructed how the 674 00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:29,355 Speaker 1: fan started it, how he escalated it, how Clemens backed away, 675 00:43:29,515 --> 00:43:31,715 Speaker 1: how the fan ReLit the fuse, how this was not 676 00:43:32,195 --> 00:43:34,515 Speaker 1: Roger Clemens's fault, no matter how well we did that, 677 00:43:34,795 --> 00:43:36,875 Speaker 1: if you saw this video, you would say, well, no, 678 00:43:36,995 --> 00:43:43,835 Speaker 1: that's Roger Clemens's fault. It's human nature. With great disappointment, 679 00:43:43,835 --> 00:43:47,475 Speaker 1: I said to my producer, damn it. Journalistically, we can't 680 00:43:47,555 --> 00:43:51,915 Speaker 1: run this. We're hanging Clemens if we run this. This 681 00:43:51,955 --> 00:43:53,675 Speaker 1: is like the only time in his life it hasn't 682 00:43:53,675 --> 00:43:57,235 Speaker 1: been his fault. But this is not his fault. My 683 00:43:57,315 --> 00:44:00,755 Speaker 1: producer let out a long sigh, and God, you said that. 684 00:44:00,835 --> 00:44:02,595 Speaker 1: I want to run it more than anything else in 685 00:44:02,635 --> 00:44:05,995 Speaker 1: the world, but we can't. And I said, there are facts, 686 00:44:06,035 --> 00:44:08,115 Speaker 1: and then there is the truth. What we have on 687 00:44:08,115 --> 00:44:12,315 Speaker 1: this tape is facts. What we do not have is truth. Unfortunately, 688 00:44:14,435 --> 00:44:17,995 Speaker 1: my phone rang now it was my boss's boss, Tenzio's boss. 689 00:44:18,035 --> 00:44:20,195 Speaker 1: His name was Arthur Smith. He was a Canadian. He 690 00:44:20,275 --> 00:44:23,035 Speaker 1: called people things like schmndrick and schmou. I liked him 691 00:44:23,075 --> 00:44:26,955 Speaker 1: a lot. Okay, Bobby, he says, what's going on? I'll 692 00:44:26,955 --> 00:44:29,115 Speaker 1: explain to him, and he quickly said, you're right, but 693 00:44:29,155 --> 00:44:30,915 Speaker 1: your boss wants me to get that tape from you, 694 00:44:31,075 --> 00:44:33,995 Speaker 1: or fire you or something. He's screaming about how we're 695 00:44:34,035 --> 00:44:35,795 Speaker 1: going to get scooped on this story when we have 696 00:44:35,875 --> 00:44:38,115 Speaker 1: the only video. Give me a way out of this, Bobby. 697 00:44:38,835 --> 00:44:40,835 Speaker 1: So I gave him a way out. I said, look, 698 00:44:40,875 --> 00:44:42,915 Speaker 1: I'll go to my folks house in the suburbs tomorrow. 699 00:44:42,955 --> 00:44:45,155 Speaker 1: I'll make a couple copies of this video and I 700 00:44:45,195 --> 00:44:49,595 Speaker 1: will erase the original tape. Then I'll go to Yankee Stadium. 701 00:44:49,795 --> 00:44:51,755 Speaker 1: I have a copy of this video in my pocket, 702 00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:54,875 Speaker 1: and if there is a hint, a hint that anybody 703 00:44:54,875 --> 00:44:57,355 Speaker 1: else has this story, I will go right to the 704 00:44:57,355 --> 00:45:00,195 Speaker 1: truck and feed you the whole tape immediately, and I 705 00:45:00,195 --> 00:45:02,915 Speaker 1: won't even charge you the two thousand dollars I spent 706 00:45:02,955 --> 00:45:06,475 Speaker 1: to get it. And he said, as I like this, 707 00:45:07,515 --> 00:45:09,435 Speaker 1: that's a good way out. But how are you going 708 00:45:09,515 --> 00:45:11,235 Speaker 1: to know if anybody else is onto the story? And 709 00:45:11,275 --> 00:45:13,315 Speaker 1: I told him, look, the Yankees won't want this story 710 00:45:13,355 --> 00:45:16,555 Speaker 1: to get out, and I will use this fact against them. 711 00:45:16,835 --> 00:45:18,715 Speaker 1: I will use this fact to get them to tell 712 00:45:18,715 --> 00:45:21,035 Speaker 1: me if anybody has asked them about the story. I mean, 713 00:45:21,035 --> 00:45:23,715 Speaker 1: the public relations director is a childhood friend of mine. 714 00:45:23,835 --> 00:45:27,235 Speaker 1: We will work together on this because we have facts, 715 00:45:27,315 --> 00:45:30,035 Speaker 1: but we do not have truth. And he says, stop 716 00:45:30,075 --> 00:45:33,875 Speaker 1: saying that you sound like a Schmendrick. So the next 717 00:45:33,875 --> 00:45:35,675 Speaker 1: morning I go to the Folks. I use my father's 718 00:45:35,675 --> 00:45:38,395 Speaker 1: collection videotape machines, and I make three copies, one for 719 00:45:38,435 --> 00:45:40,595 Speaker 1: me to carry, one for me to give to the Yankees, 720 00:45:41,035 --> 00:45:43,075 Speaker 1: and one to leave in the hands of a neutral 721 00:45:43,075 --> 00:45:47,835 Speaker 1: outside observer. My mother and we go to Yankee Stadium 722 00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:50,235 Speaker 1: and I explained to this being, to this friend of 723 00:45:50,275 --> 00:45:52,635 Speaker 1: twenty five years of mine, the PR director, and all 724 00:45:52,675 --> 00:45:55,395 Speaker 1: he says is thank you, and he swears he will 725 00:45:55,395 --> 00:45:58,235 Speaker 1: warn me if he hears in anything about any other 726 00:45:58,315 --> 00:46:03,315 Speaker 1: reporter having this story is even rumored. Two hours later, 727 00:46:03,315 --> 00:46:05,675 Speaker 1: he comes up to me. Jack Curry from the New 728 00:46:05,755 --> 00:46:08,275 Speaker 1: York Times asked to talk to Roger. He's heard he's 729 00:46:08,315 --> 00:46:10,755 Speaker 1: going to talk to Roger. As Roger walks back to 730 00:46:10,795 --> 00:46:13,835 Speaker 1: the clubhouse, you could maybe follow them before you feed 731 00:46:13,835 --> 00:46:16,435 Speaker 1: the tape. And I said, yeah, that sounds good, and 732 00:46:16,475 --> 00:46:19,915 Speaker 1: I followed him, and Clemens lies through his teeth to 733 00:46:19,995 --> 00:46:22,115 Speaker 1: Jack Curry and says it was nothing, and no, they 734 00:46:22,155 --> 00:46:24,395 Speaker 1: didn't have their fingers in each other's faces, and Curry 735 00:46:24,435 --> 00:46:26,835 Speaker 1: believes him, and Clemens goes into the Yankee clubhouse and 736 00:46:26,915 --> 00:46:31,275 Speaker 1: Jack Curry wheels around and says nice eavesdropping, And I say, 737 00:46:31,675 --> 00:46:34,595 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry, you're right, but I'll explain to you 738 00:46:34,635 --> 00:46:36,555 Speaker 1: why I had to do it. But I'll explain it 739 00:46:36,595 --> 00:46:39,875 Speaker 1: to you much much later. And the next morning, the 740 00:46:39,915 --> 00:46:42,035 Speaker 1: morning of the day that we'll see Roger Clemens win 741 00:46:42,075 --> 00:46:44,595 Speaker 1: his first World Series game after sixteen years of trying, 742 00:46:44,635 --> 00:46:46,675 Speaker 1: as the Yankee sweep the Braves in the World Series, 743 00:46:46,675 --> 00:46:49,675 Speaker 1: there is a very brief mention on page forty something 744 00:46:49,755 --> 00:46:51,635 Speaker 1: of the New York Times about the shouting match with 745 00:46:51,675 --> 00:46:55,235 Speaker 1: the fan, and there's no picture, and nobody notices the story, 746 00:46:55,995 --> 00:46:59,355 Speaker 1: and Clemens lies in it throughout. And the next spring 747 00:46:59,475 --> 00:47:02,235 Speaker 1: I see Jack Curry and he is still angry with me, 748 00:47:02,715 --> 00:47:06,355 Speaker 1: and so I hand him of the videotape and I say, 749 00:47:06,995 --> 00:47:09,995 Speaker 1: this is why I had to know what you knew 750 00:47:10,075 --> 00:47:13,115 Speaker 1: about Clemens. And he goes and he watches it somewhere 751 00:47:13,155 --> 00:47:15,195 Speaker 1: and he comes back to me and he's all smiles, 752 00:47:15,195 --> 00:47:18,235 Speaker 1: and he says, how did you get away with not 753 00:47:18,435 --> 00:47:21,915 Speaker 1: running this? And I tell him the story and he says, 754 00:47:21,915 --> 00:47:26,235 Speaker 1: but Clemens lied to me, And I say, Clemens lies 755 00:47:26,235 --> 00:47:29,395 Speaker 1: to everybody. That's not the point. And he says, yeah, 756 00:47:29,435 --> 00:47:33,515 Speaker 1: there's a difference between facts and truth. And I say, ooh, 757 00:47:33,555 --> 00:47:36,995 Speaker 1: there's a difference between facts and truth. Hey, that's good. 758 00:47:37,075 --> 00:47:52,435 Speaker 1: Let me write that down. I've done all the damage 759 00:47:52,435 --> 00:47:54,835 Speaker 1: I can do here. Thank you for listening. Countdown. Musical 760 00:47:54,875 --> 00:47:57,875 Speaker 1: directors Brian Ray and John Phillip Schanelle arranged, produced, and 761 00:47:57,955 --> 00:48:01,635 Speaker 1: performed most of our music. Mister Ray on guitarist, bass 762 00:48:01,635 --> 00:48:05,435 Speaker 1: and drums. Mister Chanelle handled orchestration and keyboards produced by 763 00:48:05,475 --> 00:48:09,115 Speaker 1: Tko Brothers. Other music, including some of the Beethoven compositions, 764 00:48:09,475 --> 00:48:12,435 Speaker 1: arranged and performed by the group No Horns Allowed. The 765 00:48:12,435 --> 00:48:15,515 Speaker 1: sports music is the Olderman theme from ESPN two, written 766 00:48:15,555 --> 00:48:19,675 Speaker 1: by Mitch Warren Davis, courtesy of ESPN Inc. Our satirical 767 00:48:19,675 --> 00:48:22,155 Speaker 1: and fifty musical comments are by Nancy Fauss. The best 768 00:48:22,155 --> 00:48:25,195 Speaker 1: baseball stadium organist ever. Our announcer today was my friend 769 00:48:25,275 --> 00:48:28,195 Speaker 1: Jonathan Banks, and everything else was pretty much my fault. 770 00:48:29,075 --> 00:48:31,035 Speaker 1: So that's countdown for this the two hundred and fifty 771 00:48:31,035 --> 00:48:34,595 Speaker 1: first day until the twenty twenty four United States presidential 772 00:48:34,635 --> 00:48:38,995 Speaker 1: election and the forty nine days since dementia j Trump's 773 00:48:38,995 --> 00:48:42,115 Speaker 1: first attempted coup against the democratically elected government of the 774 00:48:42,235 --> 00:48:45,835 Speaker 1: United States. Use the Fourteenth Amendment, the insurrection at the 775 00:48:45,995 --> 00:48:49,035 Speaker 1: justice system, the mental health system, the ballot box to 776 00:48:49,155 --> 00:48:53,595 Speaker 1: stop him from doing it again while we still can. 777 00:48:54,355 --> 00:48:58,155 Speaker 1: The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow the special leap year edition. 778 00:48:58,675 --> 00:49:01,155 Speaker 1: Don't forget our live YouTube special after the State of 779 00:49:01,155 --> 00:49:06,395 Speaker 1: the Union on the night of Thursday, March seventh. Bulletins 780 00:49:06,435 --> 00:49:08,715 Speaker 1: is the news warrants till then. I'm Keith Ouldremman. Good Morning, 781 00:49:08,715 --> 00:49:27,555 Speaker 1: good afternoon, good night, and good luck. Countdown with Keith 782 00:49:27,555 --> 00:49:32,635 Speaker 1: Olremman is a production of iHeartRadio. 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