WEBVTT - Emma. (2020) 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.760 On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.440 have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.639 and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.640 in best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.160 and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name's Jamie Loftus, 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.440 my name is Kaitlin Durante, and this is our show 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:30.960 where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:35.279 the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. That's Stan Ray. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.599 Have you ever heard of it? I haven't heard of it, 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.360 which is really embarrassing at this point. I don't and 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.959 I've been bluffing my way for over half a decade now. Yeah, 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.120 we've been doing the show for six years, James, really 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.760 really a long time. It is March, which means it's 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:57.240 International Women's History Month. I honestly don't know why international 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.360 has to be like specified, because if you eliminate it, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.160 the meaning is much the same. But anyways, true, we 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:11.520 wanted to make sure we were featuring women directors this month, obviously, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.480 and we had in the works an episode on The 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.400 Women King that we'll be coming out, but it won't 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.400 be coming out until April because of a bunch of 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.640 scheduling stuff, so we wanted to make sure we were 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.200 featuring women directors this month. Yeah, and that is why 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.640 this week we are unlocking a Patreon aka Matreon episode 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.959 that I'm rather proud of. Honestly, we did so much 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:36.920 homework for this one, and by that I mean we 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:41.440 read a book. But for a movie podcast reading a book, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.400 it's not easy. Extra credit. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.720 and reading is hard. No, but yes, this is part 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:58.280 of our Matreon theme January aka Austin August aka Jane 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.600 Austen month. Yes on the Matreon. We did it. Last 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.840 year we also covered the Joe Wright Pride and Prejudice 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:10.200 adaptation with Kiera Knightley and Tom from Succession. However, Joe 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.680 Wright is famously a man, so he doesn't qualify it 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.679 for this and so what we are unlocking is the 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:21.040 twenty twenty adaptation of Emma starring Annya Taylor Jolie that's 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:26.799 directed by Autumn deWilde, also written by a woman, Eleanor Katon, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.760 which we will discuss in the episode as well, but 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.040 too great in my opinion, too great. Jane Austen adaptations. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:39.400 Is it and is it? Clueless grade greatness? Nothing is 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.960 that's the best adaptation of Emma. However, this is my 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.880 second favorite and we really enjoyed the movie and we 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.000 think that you will too. If you haven't seen it, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.720 should check it out. Yeah, go watch it? She wi 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:57.600 is what are you doing? 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You'll notice the discussions are a 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.159 little looser, a little goofier, and normally we have a 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.520 guest on our main feed, but on the Patreon it's 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.760 it's just Caitlin and myself shooting the shit and having 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.840 a nice time. So we hope you enjoy it. Yeah, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.560 just to foreshadow a little something on this episode is 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:41.279 how much we talk about Pokemon. Really yeah, all right, 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.400 Well look we were still somewhat locked down when we 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.680 recorded this, so you may notice that energy present in 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:55.120 whatever's going on, all right Pokemon? Fine, yeah, fine, it's 0:04:55.160 --> 0:05:00.640 not against the lull noise, So please please enjoy this 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:12.159 unlocked episode of Emma twenty twenty. Okay, it's still January 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:18.280 aka Austin August aka Jane Austen November. Yes it is, 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.760 and we are closing it out with an episode on 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:25.320 Emma Period. I did not know at first that this 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:30.800 movie has punctuation. Unnecessary punctuation. Oh in the title, I know. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.320 Did you read the reason why too? It's pretty corny. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:37.760 Oh no, no, no, I believe it's autumn. deWilde was like, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.960 it's a period piece, so I put it was like, 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:44.360 that's kind of funny. It also in any times the 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.920 director of this movie. I was such a pleasure getting 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.840 like acquainted with her as a person and an idea 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.680 because I'm like now fully like just like I will 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.400 go wherever she takes us forever, like she's so cool. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.679 But yeah, because I because maybe it was an interview 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.640 I was reading with her, but yeah, there's a period 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.120 in it, because she's like at the period beast put 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.159 a period at the end. Wow, I'm like, well, of 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.320 all the reasons to do that, that is at least 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:20.000 a pretty funny reason, I allow it. Yeah, right, okay, right, okay. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.960 So we're covering Emma Period from twenty twenty. It's one 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.280 of the last movies that was released in theaters before 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.680 the COVID nineteen pandemic. Ever heard of it? I remember 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.200 I almost saw it and then I didn't, and then 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.520 I experienced regrets. You know what I saw it? What 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.760 I see instead? Oh you know what I saw Invisible Man? 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.200 And yeah, same portrait of a lady on fire. It 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.839 wasn't too you know, I could have done much worse. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.359 I liked both of those movies. Yeah. One of the 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.880 last movies I saw in theaters pre pandemic was Oh, 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.840 my gosh, what's it called. It's the Pixar movie about 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:04.360 the like fairy tale creature people onwards. Oh, the one 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:09.640 with the Chris Pratt pants Dad Dad pants, My dad 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.640 is pants and I'm Chris Pratt right, Yeah, it's just 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.240 what the fuck was that movie? There's gonna be a 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.520 million people at the comments like that movie changed my life, 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.480 And I'm sure, I'm sure it's great, but I only 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.360 know that movie is like Chris Pratt's Dad is pants. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.000 You're like, I just like, I'm sure that. Like most 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.320 Pixar movies are very heartwarming, this one did make me cry. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.080 I'm sure, I mean all, like most Pixar movies, that's 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.200 like what they're genetically engineered to do. I just like 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.880 the way this one was marketed specifically. I just thought 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.520 was so weird. I was like, I don't want to 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:48.440 see the Chris Pratt pants Dad movie, and I reserved 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.040 that right and I and you know, maybe I'll see it. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.160 Sometimes I think, did you hear a glass shatter? Am? I? Like? 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.640 Just now? No? No, things aren't at all? All is 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:07.360 not well? There? You know a Stabruary is really bringing 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.560 out in me? Is I want we should go back 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.920 to like naming our houses. I know that it's because 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.559 no one owns property and all these all these books 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.360 are about rich, but even like middle class families name 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.760 their house in Jane Austin World, which is also like 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:25.600 I'm sure that just happened. Yeah, I didn't realize that 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.760 was a thing. I mean, I guess I knew from 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:32.480 like Downton Abbey because their huge mansion is called Downton Abbey. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.760 And then there's like I was like, what's it called? 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.840 I was like, what's the house called? But then, um, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:45.000 mister Knightley and this story has an abbey as well. 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.880 I forget what his abbey is called. What constitutes an abbey? 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.640 Like what I don't When you say abbey, I feel 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.199 like it means like extra big, but like I'm sure 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.120 it means something specifically, like there's a mill, or there's 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:02.160 like a church, or there's a fawm or something. Right, 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:06.520 what's the difference between like an estate and an abbey 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.720 and a palace and a castle, because all of these 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.920 structures are big. So I don't know what's what bing bong, 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.120 I don't know. You know, I'm no fucking clue he's 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.600 gotten an abbey. I just this, Okay, yeah, so I'm 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.160 going to start thinking of place. You know. I like 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.240 that they name the houses, but all the ways that 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.640 they name the houses stuck. They're like it's like corn 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.160 wall and you're like, okay, that's just a compound word. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.240 I don't know. Let's just work on it, because look, 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:40.000 we're never going to own any but I'll you know, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.160 I'll name my half of the duplex that I read. Sure, 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.560 I'll name that. Why not until I'm evicted any day now, 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.080 I hope not. Well, no, my whatever, But you know 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.520 they can. I'm on a month to month lease. They 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.880 can just they try it. Do you remember matrons over 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.120 the summer of my landlords are like, we're going to 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.680 sell the house and you'll just kind of be shit 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.679 out of luck. But like, we don't know when but 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.000 you could be shit out of luck at any second, right, 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.520 So I was like, oh, and then they failed to 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.760 sell the house. Okay, so well I have a home 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.400 good news for you for now. Just I don't know 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.400 landlords should just fucking explode in Minecraft, of course, which 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.520 I know is something that you have to say. Um, well, 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:26.920 we're talking about more rich people from England today because 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:32.000 we're talking about Jane Austen's Emma period period. Yeah, okay, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.840 we're not talking about Gwyneth Paltrow. Did you watch Gwyneth Paltrow? 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.640 You watch you rewatched Clueless? Right, correct? And I really 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.440 thought about watching for the first time because I hadn't 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.480 seen Gwyneth Paltrow's Emma So I was like, yeah, I 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.800 should watch that just in case it's helpful. But what 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:52.439 did I do instead is play Pokemon? Okay, So well, yeah, matrons, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.839 we're working really hard for your five dollars over here. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.240 Jesus Christ, Kate like you've in my defense, yeah, it's 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:04.040 for my mental health. That's not a good excuse. I 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.240 think it's a great excuse for my mental health. I 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:12.559 have to play Pokemon for eighty five hours there is Yeah, sorry, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.840 I'm feeling spicy today. It's good. Um Okay. I saw 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.800 Gwyneth Paltrow. Gwyneth Paltrow Emma. Back in the day, we 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.480 were talking about this with the Pride and Prejudice episode 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.640 where it was like, oh, there was like gen X 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.160 Pride and Prejudice, and then Kiera Knightley is millennial Pride 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.440 and Prejudice. There's kind of not a millennial Emma. I 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.319 think that they did gen X was Gwyneth and then 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.920 this is fully gen z Emma. This is not this 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.400 does not belong to us, but we're allowed to enjoy 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.239 it and look at it. But like Anya Taylor Joy, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.800 she belongs to them. She does not belonged to us, 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.400 just because she's so young. Yeah, and just like the 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.240 aesthetic of this movie. I mean, this movie is so esthetic, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:59.440 it's beautiful. Yeah. Anyways, this is gen Z Emma period 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.920 and I really like it. What is your experience with 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.679 the story, Emma in general? Not much. I had seen 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.480 Clueless a few times. Oh yes, but I don't think 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.320 I knew the first few times I watched Clueless that 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.440 it was a Jane Austen adaptation. I definitely didn't the 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.720 first Yeah, I don't think I knew that until like 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.800 at least college, right, But I haven't read the book 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.680 and I haven't seen the Gwyneth Paltrow Emma. Yeah, so 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.320 this is my first exposure to this story. I've seen 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.880 it three times now between I had some time between 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:43.160 my Pokemon Pokemon hours that I was putting in to 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.120 watch Emma three times, so I did that. But yeah, 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.360 I did not read the book for this one. I 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.880 read Pride and Prejudice, so I filled my book quota 0:12:54.000 --> 0:13:00.320 of reading one book per year. So I don't have 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:05.559 much exposure to Emma. But Jamie, you did read the book. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.800 Reread the book. I reread the book, and by that 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.840 I mean, of course I listened to the audio book 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:17.559 at one point five speed. And yeah, I guess I'm 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:22.079 like fully too much Emma this week for old Jamie. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.840 Too much. But I'm glad I read the book because 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.160 because the changes of the movie makes is really really 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:32.559 really interesting to me. But like I saw Clueless starting 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.800 in high school, didn't know that it was Jane Austen adaptation, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.440 so it's almost like it doesn't really even count in 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.800 my brain. Sure, And also Clueless is so different in 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.840 a lot of ways, you know, and I would say 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.800 many better ways. But I read the book in high school. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.240 I saw the Gwyneth Paltrow movie in high school. I 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.400 think I liked it, I don't really remember. And then 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.920 I was I think this has also been like you know, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.800 miniseries did and all this stuff. But I was really 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:08.720 excited for the twenty twenty Emma period because it was, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.880 you know, an adaptation that was directed by a woman. 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.000 It just looked really I don't know, like you know, 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.439 I was just genuinely excited to see it because sometimes 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:23.920 you're like, this movie just looks beautiful, like it just looks, yeah, delicious, 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.760 and I want to watch it. And it was, you know, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.040 like written and directed by women. I like Anya Taylor 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.080 Joy who. I feel like this was like this movie 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.520 came out like right before she popped off, because this 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:42.920 was pre Chess Netflix. Am I talking about Queen scam Bit. Yes, 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:48.000 Chess Netflix. That's so funny. I feel like I should 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.800 be dating a guy named Chess Netflix. Oh my gosh, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.400 that's a great character. Please write something. Yeah, Chess Netflix. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.920 It's like my new rich boyfriend. I'm like, guys, this 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.680 is Chess Chess Netflix. We met at a party. I 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.600 don't know. He just slid into my dams and now 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:08.440 it's been four months. Congrats. Speaking of mister Chess, Emma 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.520 or mister Netflix, I guess Emma actually hooked us up. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.840 She she does these things sometimes, she's a matchmaker like that. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.920 I'm her Harriet, and she hooked me up with Chess Netflix. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:23.640 He's awful. Um Okay, So anyways, I like Annya Taylor Joy. 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.520 I had only known her in The Vivich I think, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.280 and I hadn't even seen it at that point, but 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.920 I'm like, oh, it's the the vivic girl that has 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:36.120 those big old eyes and oh oh. I was mostly 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:40.520 excited to see this movie because fucking Bill of I 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:45.200 Frankenstein Fame is in it, so that was There's that. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.160 I feel like we texted about it when we both 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.120 first saw the trailer because there's that great trailer moment 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.280 slash movie moment in general where Bill Nigh hops down 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.280 the stairs. It goes like, dude, I caught like best 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.800 part of the movie, and I really like to the movie, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.920 but it's like the best part of the movie absolutely, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.000 So I was very stoked to see the movie. I 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.400 watched it on HBO when it was on HBO, and 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.720 then I was excited to revisit it for this. I 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.120 think it's an it's a good adaptation. I really like 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:21.640 what they changed because the book is very bizarre. I'm 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.160 excited to talk about that a little bit as well. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.760 The book is like it's it's good and like the 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.360 literary sense and you know, whatever changed the shape of 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.080 the novel forever blah blah blah, like I get it. Sure, 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.920 bookheads don't come for me, but just like this, the 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.840 way the story plays out is interesting to me because 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.800 I feel like and then I frantically googled my own 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:48.000 opinion to see if I was you know, if your 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.880 opinion was correct. Yeah, to see if my opinion had 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.720 been corroborated by someone who knows who can read a book, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.240 and it has been corroborated. Is I think the emma 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.920 of the book look ends up regressing by the end 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.840 of the story. But the way that it's been adapted 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.800 for twenty twenty, which I think is smart in terms 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.280 of like you want as a moviegoer to get some 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.520 payoff and feel like the character has grown in the book. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:21.240 I don't think that she really grows very much because 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.120 the ending is different and by the end you're just 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.520 like it just is sort of one of those I 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.560 feel like this is like a Victorian novel or just 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.720 like sometimes a novel thing in general, where like things 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.080 move slow, slow, slow, slow slow, and then it's like 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.600 whatever the protagonist is at their slow they're at the whatever. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.399 The second act, end of the second act of a 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.560 novel is the low point. Yeah. But then but then 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.080 in some but then like things just kind of like 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.639 very abruptly work out sure, and it has kind of 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.040 nothing to do with any action that the protagonist takes. Right, Well, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.320 let's take a quick break and then we will come 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:07.040 back for the recap. Okay, we're back, and here is 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:12.040 what happens in the movie Emma Woodhouse. We get some 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.920 text on screen that she is handsome, clever, and rich 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.359 and has lived nearly twenty one years in the world 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.840 with very little to distress or vex her. Woo. We 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.520 meet her. She's Annie Taylor Joy. Of course, her whole 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.480 thing is that she loves to match make for other people, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.640 and she has just done this for her I wasn't 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.240 sure exactly who this was at first. I think it 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:38.359 was her former governess, Miss Taylor. I also don't know 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.280 what a governess is, like a like a tutor or 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:45.520 like a governess. Yeah, it's like a combo tutor and 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.560 nanny basically. Okay, yeah, got it. And they like live 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.760 in so it's like a permanent the house. Yeah right. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.359 So Miss Taylor is about to get married and become 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:02.040 missus Weston, and she is therefore about to leave the 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:08.120 estate where Emma lives with her father, mister Woodhouse, and that, 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:13.000 of course is Bill Ni. So at the wedding between 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.800 Miss Taylor and mister Weston, we meet such people as 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:25.000 Miss Bates, who Emma thinks is very tiresome. Can I Yes, 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.720 there is a thing. And I think it's because we've 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.880 been doing Jane Austen and Cinderella adaptations. And I say 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:36.560 this as a woman with a kind of longish thin head. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:42.600 Anytime in a damn period piece they want to telegraph 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:47.880 this woman is annoying and not very smart. They cast 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.560 someone that has my head shape, and I don't like it. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:55.119 The actors who play there's always one step sister in 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.560 Cinderella that has my head shape, and then Miss Bates 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.600 my head there. Look what I'm saying is you can 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.680 cast me as woman is obviously supposed to be annoying 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.560 because I have the correct head shape. What is that? 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:12.520 I know what it is. We don't need to talk 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.800 about it, but I'm like, fuck you, it's rude leaf 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.480 I head alone. Yeah, sorry, Miss Bates. So Miss Bates 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.080 is there. Mister Elton is there. He is the vicar 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.840 who marries this couple. And there's also talk of the 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.160 groom's son, Frank Churchill, coming, but he never shows up. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.520 Who do you think is the hottest guy in the movie? Oh, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:42.200 good question? Um, my answer sucks for me. It's probably 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:47.200 between mister Mister Martin is pretty cute to me, just 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.920 as far as looks goes, not personality, but Frank Churchill 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.960 I would maybe kiss I also, Um, I like the 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:59.679 actor who plays mister Weston, and oh he's fun. I 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:01.840 like him. I don't know if I would kiss him 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:06.200 or not. I would kiss Bill Ni probably. What's do 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:15.680 you remember when Bill Nigh he said MW two. Uh yeah, 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.120 I will never forget the first time I heard Bill 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:23.840 Knight say mutwo, I like lost my fucking mind. Well, 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:28.280 now that I'm a Pokemon expert after playing five million 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:33.680 hours of Pokemon, and I think it's Arcius Arcis Archaius Arka. 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.640 I don't know, I don't know how it's pronounced. I'm 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.080 arresting you, but I know I would get just as 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:44.440 into it. Wait, I hold on, Okay, I can't stop 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.720 thinking about him saying it now. But we taught We've 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.760 talked about this on the Matreon before. I think about 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.840 how Bill nigh he didn't know anything about Pokemon and 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.000 then he started playing Pokemon Go, and then he was like, 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.679 I know that he became a sentient poke dex um 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.480 and he's just I just love I love that. Okay, 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:07.639 think about this. Probably probably on the set of Emma 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:12.080 Bill and he played Pokemon Go. Oh yeah, definitely, because 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.000 he would have been into it by the Yeah. Anyways, 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:20.960 when he said mewtwo, he just it's because he said 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:22.879 it like a theater actor, and you just never expect 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:27.000 to hear someone say it that way. Um, anyways, where 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:30.760 are we? Um? Oh? Oh? Who would you kiss? Mister 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:35.119 Elton Josh O'Connor. He's also in the Crown. He also 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.879 plays a fucking He plays young Prince Charles, you know, 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:45.680 another famously losery guy. But guess what he's got. He's 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:50.000 got a head shape that I like, and he's having Also, 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.359 I think he's very funny, and he's having such a 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.640 I think a good time in this movie being the 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:01.040 most annoying man to ever live. Oh. Yes, in no sense, 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.760 I don't. I didn't understand that joke. I'll say it. 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:06.520 That joke was in the trailer and I was like, 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:10.800 what's the joke. It's just Bill Nickey repeating something. No, 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:14.720 he mispronounces it. And then Bill Nile's like, no, it's 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:25.200 in a sense he said, mew two. Okay. So those 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.600 are some of the main characters. We also meet mister Knightley, 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:33.679 mister Kiera Knightley. Also, I don't know who that actor is, 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:37.639 but I kept thinking referring to him in my head 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:43.280 as slightly less hot Heath Ledger. Oh interesting, you know 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:45.879 who I think is mister Knightley. And the Gwyneth Paltrow 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:50.639 one is ermray Er You will Own McGregor? Were You? 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.600 Is Nightly? In that one? Which is? I get it? 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.000 This guy's name, what is his deal? His name is 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.720 Johnny Flynn. His Wikipedia picture is weird. It looks like 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.080 it was taken on a fucking point and sheet fifteen 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.760 years ago. Well, I guess I don't have much to say. 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.960 He was definitely hot, but I you know, he was 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.119 too conventionally hot to hold my attention. I want I 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.840 want a mister Elton. I want to Bill Nile saying 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:22.440 me two, give me something interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:27.840 So mister Knightley visits Emma and her father. Okay, so 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:32.640 what is the relationship between Emma and mister Knightley. In 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:37.640 the book, they're like brother and sister in law because 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:41.320 Emma's sister is married to mister Knightley's brother Emma's I 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.640 think that that's the case in the movie too. It's 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.720 confusing because I keep saying we're siblings, but it's because 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:51.200 Emma's sister married mister Knightley's brother. So they're in loss 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:53.520 no Blood. I wasn't sure if it was the same 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.119 thing as it was in Clueless, where they were former 0:24:56.240 --> 0:25:00.119 step siblings no, which I always found really weird. I 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.600 think it's weirdly less weird in the book from the 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.880 eighteen hundreds than it is Clueless. I think I kind 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.960 of forgot yeah that there. It was like a weird 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.920 like step sibling porn line. They're definitely yeah, no, they're 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:17.120 they're in law and they're brother and sister in law. Okay, yeah, 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:21.080 that's never made very clear in this movie, right either way, 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:26.600 mister Knightley and Emma have a like flirty but like 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:33.720 teasing nagging type of banter. Yeah. Emma befriends a young 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:38.840 woman named Harriet Smith mia goth fun casting. Emma kind 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:42.119 of takes her on as a project and plans to 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:46.680 match make for her. Harriet fancies a young man named 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:50.440 mister Martin, but Emma doesn't think he's good or interesting 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:54.439 enough for Harriet. So Emma tries to encourage Harriet to 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:58.159 like mister Elton the vicar, right, he was kind of 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.640 funny and weird. Is like, so, Harriet's like a local student, 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.320 but the way that Autumn de Wilde chooses to style 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.960 the students is like they're in the Handmaid's Tale. So 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:12.360 you're like, well, I'm sure that that's like historically accurate, 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:14.960 but it's just as a modern viewer quite jarring to 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.720 be like, oh my god, where are they taking these women? 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:19.960 Should we help them? I know I had the same thought, 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.879 but they're just probably just like, oh, they're just you know, 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.840 young women who go to a boarding school look like 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:31.119 little Red riding Hood slash the women from The Handmaid's 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:35.119 Tale very weird. Who knows not us. We're not scholars. No, 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:39.520 we have one brain cell and we have to share it. Okay. 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:44.320 So Emma and Harriet get closer. They run into miss Bates, 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:48.680 who is like carrying on about her niece Jane Fairfax. 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.720 We see them hanging out with mister Knightley. They also 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:56.399 hang out with mister Elton, who loves a painting that 0:26:56.480 --> 0:27:00.440 Emma did of Harriet and it seems like he really 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:05.800 likes Harriet. Then mister Martin proposes to Harriet via a letter, 0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:12.120 which Harriet reluctantly rejects because of Emma's kind of subtle 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.520 persuasion to not accept his proposal. Every time someone says 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.600 persuasion in this movie, I'm like, that's another Jane Auston buck. 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.520 I know that. Oh that's funny because at least once 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:27.040 they say prejudice it is I know. I was like, 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:31.320 I remember that. And then they're also talking about sense 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:36.639 and maybe sensibility anyway, and they say they boy, did 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.240 they say I'm a lot? And they really say I'm 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:43.720 a a lot? But there's no mention of Mansfield Park. 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.400 Is that a Jane Austen novel or did I make 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.800 that up? Now? You nailed it? You nailed it. Wow. Yeah, 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:56.200 I am a scholar after all. Okay, Harriet rejects mister Martin, 0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.680 which upsets mister Knightley, especially since it was he who 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:05.280 encouraged mister Martin to propose to Harriet. I think, right, 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.600 he it is it is and so that's like call 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.080 that more in the book two of like, mister Knightley's like, Emma, 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.880 you shouldn't meddle. I'm like, you literally just came from 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.000 mister Knightley's house to be like, you know who you 0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.359 should marry. So he's like meddling with his boys too, 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:23.160 but whatever calls him out on that good point. Emma's 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:31.480 sister Isabella visits with her her husband, who is apparently brother. Yes, 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.880 I had no idea, and then their baby, and there's 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:38.240 also another small child. I think. A bunch of them 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:44.800 have dinner together, after which mister Elton professes his love 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:49.920 not for Harriet like Emma is expecting, but his love 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:55.080 for Emma herself, and she turns him down. She's like, 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.040 I don't want to get married. And he does not 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:02.200 take this rejection well he like a big baby and 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.120 like dashes out into the snow. He Oh my gosh, 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:11.080 he's dashing through this now. Fun fun, josh O Connory. 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.760 I like in this movie there's like a few times 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.400 when someone just starts like yelling and you're like, well 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.080 they like just where He's like, oh, by the carriage. 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:24.640 You're like shit. It really takes you by surprise because 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:28.160 it normally these rich people are so proper and not 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:33.600 yelling anyway. So Harriet is disappointed to learn that mister 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:39.040 Elton never liked her. Then Emma and Harriet spend some 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:43.000 time with Miss Bates again, the woman that Emma thinks 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:47.960 is super boring, as well as Miss bates niece Jane Fairfax, 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.360 who Emma is also not fond of and maybe even 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:54.000 jealous of, which is not as clear in the movie 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:58.000 as it seems to be in the book. Meanwhile, Harriet 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:03.640 bumps into mister Martin, hot farmer. She had rejected farmers Only. 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:10.360 That's that's Harriet, until Emma starts meddling she's on farmers Only, 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.320 and then Emma's like, no, you gotta get on Jane Austin. 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.520 Ye yeah, yeah, wow, Yeah, we've heard of a thing 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:23.440 or two. So that interaction is super awkward and it's 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.480 clear that they are still in love with each other, 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.840 but they don't do anything about it. And then Emma 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:33.760 finally meets the elusive Frank Churchill. They make eyes at 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.880 each other, it seems they like each other. And also 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.040 one of the things that I think that this movie 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.160 in this book do very well is that's like I 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:44.760 feel like you don't see it very often executed effortlessly, 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:48.080 Like this is like seeing two characters that bring out 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.200 the worst in each other. And that is so Frank 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:55.760 and Emma where like separately they're like like they still 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.680 kind of suck both as a Frank sucks worst, but 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.360 like they both kind of suck his individuals. But when 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.440 you bring them together, you're like, these two cannot hang 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.040 out together. They're going to like hurt someone's feelings. And 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.280 then they do, and then they do. Yeah, hate them, 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:15.440 hate them, cancel the friendship. Right Then there's a new 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:19.000 lady in town. She is the new wife of mister Elton. 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.000 Emma also does not like her. We will come to 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:26.360 find out that Emma does not like most of the 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:33.480 women she encounters. Then Frank Churchill's father, mister Weston throws 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:38.520 a ball in Frank's honor, Emma dances what I thought? 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:40.520 I was like, he does what? Sorry you meant like? 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.120 I was like, up, he doesn't. I don't see him 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:48.880 throw a single baseball. Okay, he does not throw any 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:53.320 poke balls Phil Knight, which is which is a which 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.000 is a shame, because I bet Bill Knight he has 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:58.520 five hundred at his damn house. I would love what 0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:00.600 if Phil Knight has a poke ball room and that's 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:07.920 where I keeps all his Pokemon. So too. We should 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:12.880 cover Detective Pikachu on the podcast. Literally, let's cover I mean, 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.160 I don't know what we really have to Is there 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:19.920 anything to Actually, there are a couple things to say, okay, 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.480 and I will say them when we cover it. Maybe 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:29.040 for my birthday this year, maybe I'll do Detective May 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:34.880 and then we'll do Detective Pikachu and another detective movie 0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:39.680 because every movie is about cops. Yeah, anyway, or we 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.040 could find uh, well, I guess oh I had this, 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.160 Oh God, I had this thought the other day. And 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.200 then do you ever have a thought that you're like, 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.640 I probably don't even want to know the answer, and 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.480 I don't need to go there right now. And so 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:57.440 in my own for my own protection mentally, I don't 0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.720 want to know the answer to the question. Yeah, my 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:07.240 question was, is Nancy Drew a cop corrob like? Is she? 0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:13.720 Nancy Drew works independently? But I don't remember. I don't remember. 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.520 I feel like she probably then reported to the cops. 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.640 I don't remember either. And I've read so many Nancy 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:25.440 Drew books. She worked independent twenty five years ago? Uh, 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:31.600 she like she worked independently, But when she solved the mystery, 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.120 would she tell the cops? I don't remember. Same with 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.200 the same with the mystery team or the mystery mission 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.160 that all those cartoons that got in that car, the 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:43.360 Scooby Doos, the Scoobies, what were they? God, I can't 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.880 remember a damn thing today. The Scooby did, the Scoobies 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:50.280 the coalue coalued, that's the word I'm working it. Oh, 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.680 did the Scoobies collued? With? There was there in a 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.880 situation there? You know what, I guess we're just going 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:02.680 to have to cover scoob No Scoobs or two thousand 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:04.920 and two Scooby Doo. We should cover two thousand and 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.960 two Scooby Doos. I watched I watched Scoob at a 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:15.200 low point in my life, and it was stinky, stinky, stinky. 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:19.680 Not no, no Lillard, right, no Lillard. If it doesn't 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.879 have Lillard in it, I don't care. Trewin Lillard got 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:27.080 so he got so sad when they recast him. He 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.560 because no one told him. And then they're like, Will 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.360 Fourte voices Shaggy in this one, and I love like 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.279 Will forty is the best, but my love of Will 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:39.879 Forte is outweighed by my discomfort of the idea of 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.520 Matthew Lillard like having a bad day. So how much 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.279 do I love Will Fourte? I don't know, I really 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:50.400 love him. Wow. Enough talking about random white guys in 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:58.680 their forties. Okay, So Frank Churchill's father throws a ball, 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:03.600 the dancing kind, not the pokemon kind, and at the ball, 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:09.280 Emma dances with Frank because they're you know, canoodling or whatever. 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.160 But Harriet has no one to dance with, so mister 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:17.239 Knightley asks her to dance, which Emma thinks is very 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:21.720 kind and Harriet thinks is very kind. And then Emma 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.200 and mister Knightley says some nice things to each other 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.680 and then they dance together and we're like, oh, what's happened? 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:30.600 This is another thing I like that the movie does 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.480 that the book doesn't. The book kind of plays out 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.840 more like a detective novel and like who loves who 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:39.200 you don't know that you can tell on like a 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:43.640 reread that Nightly clearly likes Emma the whole time, but 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:47.360 Emma has no idea how she likes mister Knightley until 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.520 like very late in the book. And something that I 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:54.320 learned about Jane Austen by reading these books and literally 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.440 following along with the spark notes to make sure that 0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:02.120 I was listening correctly, is that, like she has this 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.040 bizarre tendency that I don't even really like. But in 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.200 terms of like adaptation, it opens up a lot of 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:11.239 creative license for writers or like screenwriters. But like the 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.839 most important moments in the book, she will like summarize 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.600 instead of writing dialogue for characters where it'll be like 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.439 like that whole like mister Darcy, like you've bewitchbe body 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.960 and soul, like that's not in the book. In the book, 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:29.360 it's like mister Darcy professed his love ardently and Elizabeth 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:34.040 finally reciprocated, like it's she doesn't say what they're saying. 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.839 Show don't tell Jane Austen, geez, have you never taken 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:42.960 a screenwriting class? Yeah? Why didn't? Literally, And that's so 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:48.640 she actually was a bad feminist. She canceled. But anyways, 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.400 because she writes like that, it opens it up for 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:53.600 a screenwriter to do kind of whatever they want. But 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.720 but I just thought it was funny how that plays 0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.160 out with Emma realizing that she loves mister Knightley is 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.680 when Harriet is like, yeah, no, I love mister Knightley. 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.200 I don't feel a damn thing for Frank. Frank kind 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.800 of sucks, which also, like Emma didn't even seem to 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.759 understand Harriet knows that Frank sucks. She's like, no, I 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.279 love mister Knightley. He's awesome, he's cool. And there's a 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.880 single line that's like Emma realized suddenly that mister Knightley 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.799 could marry no one but herself, and like that's how 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.279 you're told that she loves him, Like that's how she 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.400 realizes it. And then she sends Harriet to the dentist 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:31.520 for a month. I'm just like, oh my god, I 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.719 don't know how long the dentist took back then, but 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.719 not a month. Not a month. I didn't even know 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.360 there wered dentists back then. So that's where I'm a 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:44.960 stick burn. I actually I wouldn't enough, Like I don't know, 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.440 but she got sent away to the dentist long enough 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.719 that she got engaged. Like that's too long to be 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:57.160 at the dentist. Oh yeah, weird. Okay, So Emma and 0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:04.200 mister Knightley's relationship is evolving, much like how a Pokemon evolves. Oh, 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.200 she's going Charmander to what's the middle one? Was the 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:11.040 middle one? Oh? I don't know enough about it yet. 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.040 This is my first Pokemon game. She goes Charming. Okay, 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.480 well I'm gonna skip the middle. Then she's there's that 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.000 shot of him touching her waist where she goes Charmander 0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:24.080 to Charizard like that. She's like, you're like, oh uh oh, 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.680 like it's a good I got. I mean, when there's 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.080 a horny a good horny moment in a period piece, 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.760 it's exciting, it's nice. Oh a touch of the waist 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.759 full Charizard Like, That's that's how I'm gonna that's what 0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:45.200 I'm gonna call boner moments now full ars it hits. 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:48.319 Yeah it works. I thank god Bill Ni was in 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.040 Detective Pikachu, or we wouldn't be on this gorgeous train 0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:54.799 of thought. Well, it's also thanks to me playing eight 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:59.759 billion hours. It's true Pokemon Arcius right, they're now a 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:07.239 fish billable hours. Mew chew, mw chew O so funny. 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:10.719 So after the ball, mister Knightley runs all the way 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.359 to Emma's estate, presumably to profess his love for her, 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:19.680 but before he can, Frank Churchill shows up carrying Harriet, 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:24.200 who is injured. Harriet tells Emma that she's in love again, 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:28.240 and Emma assumes Harriet means she's in love with Frank, 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:32.160 and Emma promises not to interfere this time like she's 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:37.480 done in the past. Then, mister Knightley invites several people 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:42.520 to his estate for an afternoon, during which Emma lets 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.640 it slip that she thinks Miss Bates is very boring 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.359 to her face to Miss s Bates's face horrible. Mis 0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:54.520 Bates is extremely hurt by this. She all but like 0:39:54.640 --> 0:40:01.200 burst shit like evil, so evil, and mister Knightley is 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:05.719 also taken aback by Emma's cruelness and confronts Emma about it, 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:11.839 and she feels awful. Then Emma learns that Frank Churchill 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:16.120 is engaged to Jane Fairfax and secretly has been for 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:20.640 quite some time. So Emma feels horrible on Harriet's behalf 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.960 because she knows that Harriet is in love with Frank. 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:28.239 But then Harriet is like, no, Frank isn't who I'm 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:32.640 in love with. I love mister Knightley, which like started 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.719 when he asked Harriet to dance at the ball when 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.880 no one else would dance with her. But then Harriet 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:43.600 realizes that Emma also loves mister Knightley, which drives a 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:48.120 wedge between them. So when mister Knightley professes his love 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.680 for Emma and proposes to her, She's like, well, we 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.919 can't do anything about it because Harriet loves you and 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.680 I don't want to hurt her anymore. And he's like, okay, 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.560 well I have to go convince mister Martin to propose 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:05.319 to Harriet again, and Emma's like, no, I have to 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.680 be the one to do it. I have to display 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:12.960 character growth because the book doesn't do that. Yeah, yeah, 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:16.759 I will say the addition of Emma's nosebleed makes the 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.600 movie The two Emma's nosebleed and Bill and I he 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:25.200 hopping down the stairs makes it a must watch for me, 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.680 warts and all. It makes it a must watch. Yes, 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.480 So Emma goes and does this to convince mister Martin 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:37.440 to propose to Harriet. It works, Harriet accepts his proposal. 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:43.160 So now Emma and mister Knightley are free to be 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.600 with each other. So they cannoodle, they kiss, and then 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:54.080 the movie ends with them getting married. The end slurpp. Okay, 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.360 let's take another quick break and then we will come 0:41:56.440 --> 0:42:06.799 right back to discuss, and we're back, okay. So I'm 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.920 gonna be talking about the book and movie back and 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:12.759 forth throughout this episode, because boy, is this a log 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:16.480 book and it's got to be worth it for me, okay, please, 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:20.600 by all means. So, the main difference, and we talked 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.719 about this in the Pride and Prejudice episode two, where 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.440 it's like there's a lot of trimming out excess characters, 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:29.839 storylines that are just going on forever, stuff like that, 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.239 which makes sense. But the big change at the end 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:38.640 is in Emma period in twenty twenty, Emma has to 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.560 make things right with Harriet because she has like fucked 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.279 up Harriet's life under the guise of like, I'm such 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.640 a good person. And then it turns out that if 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.719 she had just left Harriet alone, Harriet would have made 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.319 the right decision on her own months ago and would 0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.040 have gone through much less emotional distress and gas lighting 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.800 and all the kind of just being fucked around by 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.319 weird rich people. Right, and so in the movie, I 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.640 think it's really smart that Emma has to like atone 0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.719 for that. It still is pretty abrupt, but at least 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.360 they have her, you know, she has to say I'm sorry, 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:18.000 She has to go and apologize for being an asshole. 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:24.760 In the book, that is not what happens in the book. 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:29.400 When Nightly proposes to Emma, she says yes right away, 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:34.960 and then she says, yes, but let's not tell Harriet 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:39.359 what she's so mean. In the book she says she's like, 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.759 absolutely yes, love you so much, my king, but don't 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.879 tell Harriet because whoopsie daisies she's in love with you. 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.160 And Nightly is like, oh yeah, let's not tell her. 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:54.719 And then Emma sends Harriet away. Emma is like, Harriet, 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:56.560 don't you have to go to the dentist. You should 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:58.440 go to my sister's house in London, like, get the 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:02.799 fuck out of here. She disappears Harriet so that she 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:07.280 can tell her society, like I'm engaged to mister Knightley, 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:09.440 but don't tell Harriet yet. She's going to be so 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.279 pissed off at me, Like she feels guilty about it. 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.440 It's not completely evil, but like she sends Harriet away, 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:19.800 and then you know, in the movie Emma, she gets 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:24.799 a noseblade, which is so funny. She gets she gets 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.920 a noseblade, and she's like, I want to marry you, 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.120 but I have to make some things right first, which 0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:32.680 it totally makes more sense for the character demonstrating growth. 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.200 And then she has to go, you know, tail between 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.160 her legs. She has to go to mister Martin and 0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:41.600 say I fucked up. I meddled too much. You and 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:44.839 Harriet clearly belong together and really care about each other, 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.279 and like make it right. She does not do that 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.839 in the book either, So she sends Harriet away, and 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.799 then just kind of while Harriet's away, she runs into 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.719 mister Martin and is like, hey, do you still love me? 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.160 And he's like yes, and then they get married and 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.600 Emma doesn't find out for like where Emma goes to 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:07.120 the wedding in the end, but like it just all happens, 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:11.279 Like Emma doesn't have to do anything. She's like rewarded 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.560 for sending Harry it away because if she hadn't sent 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.319 Harry it away, then how would she have gotten back 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.800 in touch with mister Martin or whatever? Like it sucks. 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:22.480 And then at the very end of the book, in 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.920 the last like what I find so bizarre about Emma 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:31.120 And again it's I'm not I'm nowhere near Jane Austen, 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.279 like I don't know even like a fishy, and like 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.280 I'm sure we have listeners who have a better understanding 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.480 of this than I do. But I just found it 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:45.239 so bizarre that, like in this book versus Pride and Prejudice, 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.760 it's a lot of like Jane Austen reinforcing the class 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:53.560 status quo. By the end of the book, everyone marries 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:57.480 within their class, and that was the right and morally upright, 0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:00.920 like is like socially and morally correct that everyone remained 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:04.040 within their class, whereas in Pride and Prejudice that is 0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:07.799 not the case that that novel pushes against it. It's 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.680 interesting because now that we know that, like Jane Austen 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:14.920 had a lot of complicated feelings on class and definitely 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:17.560 some class resentment that comes through in her workmen then 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.520 other times it's like she's kind of reinforcing a status quo. 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:24.080 We're not scholars, we don't know, but like, I just 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:28.120 think it's so interesting that, like, because it does feel 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:34.279 true to like born into wealth kind of richness. That 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:39.880 it's like all of her problems are extremely temporary, and 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.280 that is like how it plays out in real life 0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.480 very often. But it's so frustrating to see it, like 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.680 like it's just Ana Taylor Joys, like, oh I was 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:51.600 being such an asshole, blah blah blah, and then mister 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:54.600 Knightley runs up. He's like I love you, and you're like, oh, well, 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:58.360 I guess it all worked out. Yeah. I feel like 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.520 Emma comments on gender pretty effectively, but I find the 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:05.040 way it deals with class weird because at the end 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.240 of the book, I think the movie does it better. 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.120 I like the things that the movie does. But in 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.600 the book, at the end, Emma and Harriet do meet 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:16.960 up one more time. She finds out that Harriet's father 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:22.799 was like a tradesman in bloody Bloo England. And instead 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:26.440 of saying like I'm sorry, I love you, you're you 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:30.120 and mister Martin are welcome at Wallcorn or whatever her 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:36.480 house is called any time in the book, she says okay, 0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:40.759 well bye, and then in like whatever the narration, Jane 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:44.040 Austen basically says, like Emma and Harriet quickly fell out 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.440 of touch because it would have been socially improper for 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.919 Emma to hang out with a farmer's wife. That would 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:53.400 have sucked, and like their friendship ends like they're just 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:56.080 like within a few months, Emma and Harriet didn't talk 0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:59.800 anymore and that was the correct thing to happen, because 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.480 you know, you can't catch Emma dead like hanging out 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:07.600 with a farmer's wife and the end. And so there's 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:12.320 a lot of there have been some schoolers who argue 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:16.000 that in the book Emma is both like limited in 0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:17.880 a weird it almost kind of reminds me of like 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:22.200 Belle from Beauty and the Beast, where she has this 0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:27.160 dream of like living and doing all these things she 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:31.000 wants much more than this provincial life. Perhaps yeah, and 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:33.200 then she ends up moving four feet from where she 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:37.359 came from, So why even sing that song if you're 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.680 going to end up getting her married four feet from 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:44.080 where she lived, she literally still lives in the province, 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.440 So why did that happen? And it's not that Emma 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:51.799 just like Emma is like set on being with her 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.160 father and like that is I mean, there's gender stuff 0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:57.879 in there, but like she wants to stay with her dad. 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:01.480 But it just seems like the argument is, like, Emma, 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.440 doesn't you know the only thing that's really changed for 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.200 her at the end of the book is that she's 0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:10.640 now like well married, So her like whole independent I 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:14.279 never want to get married thing is gone, and she 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:20.560 is still pretty aggressively classised. So there's a lot of 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:24.120 arguments for the book Emma to be like, well, she 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:27.200 learned a lot of lessons, but whether she actually applied 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:32.879 them to her life is pretty unclear. M it was bizarre. Well, 0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:37.120 I find some things about the way the movie ends 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.880 not as bizarre as what you've described, Yeah, the book ending, 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:44.920 but still kind of bizarre, where like Emma owes several 0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:50.359 different people apologies that she does not deliver, and yeah, 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:53.640 just I do. I was wondering about mister Knightley's like 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:57.080 I have to go find mister Martin and like get 0:49:57.200 --> 0:49:59.920 him to propose to Harriet, and Emma is like, no, 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.480 I've got to do it. Yeah, neither of them do that. 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.960 They're like, um, yeah, send Harriet to the dentist, and 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:10.520 then Harriet's gone for a month. They're like, they said 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.080 Harriet to the dentist for a whole last month, because 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:17.640 they like, are too chicken shit to be honest. That said, 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:21.120 there are more apologies issued in the book than in 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.080 the movie, and I feel like there are some, like 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:28.160 particularly between Emma and Jane. Jane has a much, much, 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:31.120 much larger role in the book. Okay, wait, who is 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:36.000 oh Jane Fairfax? Jane Fairfax who ends up getting married 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:38.920 to Frank, which I'm just like, fuck, Frank can't stay Frank. 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:42.160 But at least at least the book, the book very 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:45.960 much knows that Frank sucks and that he is just 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:49.319 so like mister Knightley. They kind of do it in 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:50.719 the movie, but I thought it was funny in the 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:53.600 book where mister Knightley is constantly and I've always am 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.920 like mister Knightley is much older than them, which maybe 0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.960 is not obvious in the movie that age gap is present. 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:02.839 Between the actors. The actor playing Knightly is thirteen years 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:06.080 older than Annya Taylor Joy, but in the book it's 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.960 very like Victorian and to the point where it gets 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:12.400 creepy where he's thirty six in the book, Emma's twenty 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.440 one and he's like, oh, I knew I was in 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.439 love you since you were thirteen, and you're like, that's 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:21.319 enough of that. Like so they make it out. I mean, 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.160 even though that age gap is more or less present 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.359 in the movie, I feel like there's no attention called 0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:28.520 to it, and the actor in his thirties looks pretty young. 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.520 But yeah, then Nightly in the book they really like Jane. 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.840 Austen is very much pointing out like, oh, she's marrying 0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.920 a father figure too, which also just doesn't seem very 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.200 I get why mister Knightley and Emma like each other, 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:46.600 but I didn't. I didn't love in the book how 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:48.920 they're just like, yeah, he knew, you know, she was 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.560 a child, that he was a man, and now she's 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:55.279 a woman and he's still a man. But sometimes the 0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.160 point is, and I'm about to say something I like, 0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.239 which is so I'm being all over the place. But 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:04.319 in the book, mister Knightley. He's like at least ten 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:07.239 years older than all of these, like people in their 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:11.120 early twenties and like late teens, and so sometimes he'll 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:13.880 talk about them the way that like a thirty something 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:16.520 person would talk about a twenty one year old's decisions. 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:21.120 And he's just like, Frank fucking sucks. I can't believe 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:23.880 that everything like works out so well for him, because 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:28.279 he's an asshole to everybody. Jane Fairfax is like way 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:31.160 too good for him. I don't know what she sees 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:34.560 in him. He's so lucky that he could treat her 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:38.160 so poorly and that she would still come like mister 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:41.000 Knightley does explicitly say all of that stuff, So I'm like, okay, 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:44.720 Jane Austen knows that this is not how you treat 0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:48.680 a woman who is like intelligent and cool the way 0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:52.160 that Jane Fairfax is, but it still has like it's 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:55.480 just so bizarre, like it's just a weird book. I mean, 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:58.560 I really, I don't know. Even though it's like aesthetically 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:03.160 like whatever and time period wise similar to Pride and Prejudice, 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:07.560 the stories are are very different. It's weird, and yet 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:11.440 there are some similarities. Who did you think needed apologies. 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:17.680 I thought that miss Bates was owed a major apology, 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:20.799 and even though Emma does bring her like a basket, 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:26.080 she doesn't really address what she did. Yeah and barely 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:28.400 says I'm sorry. She gets an apology in the book, 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:31.520 which is weird. The things scout that back. She apologizes 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:34.600 profusely in the book. I thought that was going to 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:38.320 happen in the movie, but instead she's like, here's a basket, 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.319 gotta go. And then miss miss Bates is just like 0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:45.160 you are so you're too kind. You've always been so kind, 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.280 and it's like she just made you cry for saying 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:52.919 something really mean and insulting to you. Miss Bates, right, 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:55.680 and Nightly was right, like I'm glad. I am glad 0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:58.239 that Nightly like gave her ship for that, and that's 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:00.719 like that is such a Jane like and I guess 0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:03.800 maybe just like a Victorian male hero thing in general, 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:07.840 but it's like the fucking binary in this situation is 0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:11.839 like guy with charisma, dirty liar, don't talk to him, 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:15.480 guy who's sort of mean to you. Now that's the 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:20.359 love of your life, like right, And then the other 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:23.920 major apology that I thought needed to happen that didn't 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:30.040 really is is Emma apologizing to and maybe maybe this 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:33.959 does happen better than I remember. But so Emma goes 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:39.000 and makes things right by approaching mister Martin and convincing 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:44.160 him to propose again to Harriet, which again I like. 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:45.680 When I saw that in the movie, I was like, 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:48.920 that's a very active thing for a female character to 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:52.120 do in a story written in this time period. It 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:55.360 seems a little too modern for that to be the case. 0:54:55.400 --> 0:55:00.399 And it turns out, yes, correct, Yeah, they I boss 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:03.040 that part, But I do like, I do like that 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.759 she I think that's way more effective. Oh definitely, Yeah, 0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:08.840 I don't. I don't. I like the change. I like 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.680 the adaptation change. I like, you know, in general, making 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:17.800 a female character more active and giving her more agency. Um. Okay, 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.359 So then when she does that, she meddles one last time, 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.400 but it works out and Harriet's and mister Martin's favor 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.440 where they get engaged. Either way, I feel like Emma 0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:33.279 owes Harriet a much more significant apology for meddling in 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:38.279 Harriet's life and her you know, romantic situation, like her 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:44.319 romantic life, and Emma does not really give that apology, 0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:47.480 So I feel like, you know, Emma needs to hold 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:54.120 herself accountable more than she does in general. But yeah, 0:55:54.360 --> 0:56:00.759 that's just me. It's all weird, like if all in 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:04.560 the book, I thinks I was bummed about that didn't 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:08.239 make it from the book to the movie mostly, but 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.520 the movie clearly is choosing to focus more on the 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:15.400 Emma and Harriet friendship, Like there's a lot of emphasis 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:18.719 given to it, which I do like, and I think 0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:22.520 it's like almost, well, I don't we'll get there. But 0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:26.080 what I was bummed about was I think my favorite 0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:29.239 character in the book is Jane, and Jane does not 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:31.120 get a lot of playtime in the movie, and I 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:34.000 wonder if she maybe did in the Gwyneth Paltrow one, 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:37.479 I'd be curious. But I really really really liked Jane 0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:41.279 in the movie in the book because like you were 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:44.319 sort of saying, like the people in this movie, like 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:48.359 in the movie, everyone acts a little silly because it's 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:52.160 like whatever. Mister Woodhouse is a good example of an 0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:56.360 upper class character who acts very silly. He's a hypochondriac. 0:56:56.440 --> 0:57:00.840 He's very particular, like there's always a draft, there's always 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:04.360 a draft, and Bill nyghe is like king, like love him. 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:08.319 So it's not like only people of the lower classes 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:12.680 are written to be goofy, but it feels more point 0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:15.560 like the way Miss bates Is character is written where 0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:17.960 you do get that moment where it's like, no, of 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:21.840 course she knows when she's being insulted, yeah, and it 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:24.200 hurts her. So it's like it's not like those humanizing 0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:26.680 moments aren't there. But I feel like between Harriet and 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.720 miss Bates, you're sort of like led to believe that, 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.080 like women of the lower class are silly and less 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:37.040 intelligent and like because I would guess, I mean, Tie 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:42.280 is the Harriet of Clueless, right, And yeah, I feel 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:45.120 like that is more effectively done and Tie gets more 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:47.520 humanizing moments than Harriet does, because I do feel like 0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:51.520 it's like, ultimately Harriet is so and also she's a teenager, 0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.560 like she's very impressionable. She's being thrown into this world. 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.240 But the I don't know, I don't know, maybe I 0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:00.520 take it back because like missus Elton as a rich 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:05.040 lady and she's the goofiest woman alive, right, and Elton 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:07.800 himself is I mean, I guess they're like upper middle 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:11.320 class like climbered because they're always like my friend mister Knightley, 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:14.680 and mister Knightley's like rich enough and powerful enough to 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:17.480 be completely you know, and ask in the way that 0:58:17.520 --> 0:58:19.800 mister Darcy is wearing. I feel like those are very 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:24.360 similar characters but just very different heroines, which is interesting 0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:26.720 right to the point where I'm like, I don't really know, 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:30.000 Like I get why he but I'm just like, is 0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:33.920 this a good match? Anyways? What was I gonna say? Oh, 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:36.720 but Jane Fairfax. So Jane Fairfax, I feel like, is 0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:40.800 a really really good antidote to how Silly Harriet and 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.600 miss Bates are written, because she's from that same class 0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:46.360 and what they get rid of in the movie. I think, 0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:48.560 correct me if this is like referenced in a scene 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:54.400 in Passing, but that like, Jane's situation is that she 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:59.280 is firm like she's a Bates, She's of that class, 0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:03.840 she's related to them, but when her parents died, she 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:07.520 ended up like going to stay with a rich friend 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:10.080 of her father's and so she grew up in the 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:13.240 upper class, but she's not of them, and so her 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:18.040 situation is that she can hang out in the upper class, 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:21.520 but ultimately, when she turns twenty one, she has to 0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.080 become a governess or like she has to have a 0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:27.120 working class job. Do they mention that in the movie, 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:30.480 because like the stakes are pretty high for her, right, 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:32.960 So it's like confusing the way she appears in the movie. 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:36.040 I found a little confusing because it's like in the book, 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:38.960 her stakes are very high in terms of like she's 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:41.439 grown up a certain way. It's clear that she doesn't 0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:44.680 want to leave everyone she knows because her parents happened 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:48.360 to be middle class, but she's going to have to. 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:52.360 And then you know, she's secretly engaged to Frank for 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.760 most of the book, but Frank treats her so badly 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:58.360 that she's like at the end, she's like, fuck you, 0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:01.280 I'm going to become a governess. And that is what 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:04.640 motivates him to Yeah, like all of it, Like, there's 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:06.680 a lot of Jane's stuff that goes on in the book. 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:08.840 She and Emma have a lot of scenes together in 1:00:08.880 --> 1:00:12.200 the book that I really liked where Jane you get 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:14.880 moments of it in the movie. But like Emma is 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:18.880 jealous of Jane because Jane is just as whatever refined, 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.840 if not more so, is just as talented, if not 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:25.200 more so, than Emma and is from the middle class, 1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:27.720 and so that's what bothers Emma about it, is like 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:31.800 Jane doesn't have a lot of the advantages that Emma 1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:35.240 did of birth, but is kind of like better than 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:38.240 her in a lot of ways. And so Emma kind 1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:42.919 of like weaponizes that insecurity about like how is Jane 1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:45.000 so good at this, this and this, and kind of 1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:48.760 flings it in her face and Jane responds, and like 1:00:48.760 --> 1:00:51.800 there's this interesting tension between them, and by the end, 1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:55.240 Emma grows a little bit and once she realizes like 1:00:55.560 --> 1:00:58.320 Jane was in love with Frank and like Emma was 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:02.680 totally off about everything, she goes to Jane and gives 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.240 like a really sincere apology and is like, I wish 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:07.760 that we had been friends all of these years, but 1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:10.600 we were pitted against each other when we were so young. 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:13.840 And also I was jealous of you, and like I'm sorry, 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:16.600 and I hope that you have a happy life marrying 1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:20.240 this fucking jerk. But like it was just I thought 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:23.760 it was a very satisfying. Jane was my favorite, yeah, 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:26.600 because she just she did what she had to do, 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:29.680 but she did it with class and she didn't meddle, 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:33.240 and I just wish she was like ended up with 1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:35.920 someone cooler than Frank, but she loved Frank. So I 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:40.080 guess sure, fine, Oh, I guess sure. Justice for Jane. 1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:44.120 No no. Yeah. Also, there's too many Janes, because there's 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:47.840 Jane and Pride and prejudice too, and there's she Jane Austin. 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:51.000 There were like seven different names back then. I guess 1:01:51.360 --> 1:01:54.880 it's an interesting adaptation because it's been I guess pretty 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:59.560 thoroughly debated. Whether Jane Austin even likes Emma based on 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:01.360 the way she written in the book and the fact 1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:04.960 that she Some people view Emma the novel as like 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:08.440 a full on class satire because Emma learns all these 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:10.720 things about the world and still acts like a rich 1:02:10.800 --> 1:02:13.600 person at the end of the day. And so like, 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:16.240 Emma gets everything she wants because of course she does, 1:02:16.280 --> 1:02:20.800 she's fucking rich. Like, no matter how much you force 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:26.160 onto the like genteel class about the reality of the world, 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:28.680 things are still going to work out for them. And like, 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.200 so there is a way of looking at it from 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:36.360 the book of like, yeah, Emma sucks. The author knows that, 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:41.800 and like, to some extent, that's the point. But because 1:02:41.800 --> 1:02:45.240 of how movies work, and are sold you can't really 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:49.200 do that, or you can, but like most adaptations choose 1:02:49.200 --> 1:02:53.920 not to over like having Emma display learning, Like I 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:56.800 feel like this movie takes the I don't think this 1:02:56.880 --> 1:02:59.080 is like unusual, but like this movie takes the route 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:03.560 of like she learns about class and successfully applies that 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:07.320 to how she lives her life, and she stands as 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:09.720 this like symbol that she does in the book as 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:13.640 well of like you can have the most privileged it's 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:17.280 possible for a woman to have in this time and 1:03:17.400 --> 1:03:21.160 still be basically fucked, which is which is something that 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:25.600 I think is touched on more effectively in Pride and Prejudice. Right, Yeah, 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:30.240 so I don't know. I mean, I I don't like Emma, 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:34.720 but I like watching Emma, and I'm constantly frustrated by 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:38.760 like the lack of consequences she experiences. This movie has 1:03:38.800 --> 1:03:42.560 to add consequences to get her to a place where 1:03:42.560 --> 1:03:45.280 it seems like she's grown, and it still feels like 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.640 she kind of gets off easy for whatever. Right, she 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:54.080 doesn't grow or arc as much as I would want 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:58.800 to see a character grow. But also, you know, she 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:03.160 does come from extremely rich and privileged background, so like 1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:07.200 kind of what do you expect from someone like that? 1:04:07.280 --> 1:04:09.680 You kind of just like I would have to like 1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:13.160 suspend my disbelief more that she does have a significant 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:15.640 arc and that she lets go of some of her 1:04:15.840 --> 1:04:21.919 perhaps prides and prejudices the ha ha. And I think 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:25.560 it is more believable that she kind of stays a 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:30.560 pretty static character, right, I mean, if it is satire, 1:04:31.200 --> 1:04:33.680 I mean the movie. I don't think the movie is satire. 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:36.960 The movie, I feel like definitely isn't satire. The book 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:40.320 arguably could be seen that way, but also we're not 1:04:40.360 --> 1:04:42.160 talking about the button, but the movie I don't think. 1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:44.320 I think the movie tries to kind of plays it 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:47.600 pretty straight. Yeah, and like adds in moments to give 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:50.040 Emma growth. And I thought it was like interesting. I 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:53.160 read some and watched some interviews with the director of 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:57.920 this movie, who I man, hope she's listening. She I'm like, 1:04:58.160 --> 1:05:01.960 she's so fucking cool. After Autumn de Wilde, it was 1:05:01.960 --> 1:05:05.400 her first feature, she directed, her first feature in her 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:09.640 late forties. She walks with a cane that has a 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:13.320 shot glass built into the cane, which she's just so 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:17.640 fucking cool, Like it's unbelievable. And she started as a 1:05:18.600 --> 1:05:22.320 music video director. She's like of that pipeline, but unlike 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:25.680 many male music video directors who I feel like direct, 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:28.640 you know, like I'm thinking of like your David Fincher's, 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:33.280 your Spike Joneses, who direct a few successful music videos 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:35.440 and then are directing movies by the time they're in 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:38.360 their late twenties early thirties. She had to fight to 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:41.160 make not this movie specifically, but like to make a 1:05:41.240 --> 1:05:46.480 movie of her own for decades because you know, misogyny 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:50.280 and what. Anyways, Sorry, we've ben talked about this on 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:52.840 the show before. Excuse me, and I don't have time 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:57.040 hang on, but she fucking rocks, Like all of her 1:05:57.080 --> 1:06:00.120 interviews are like she's just she dresses. She just oh 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:02.720 you'll like this. She described her personal style as Oscar 1:06:02.760 --> 1:06:06.960 Wilde meets Paddington Bear, and it totally tracks. She's just 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:10.480 she's so fun. Like she sort of made it her 1:06:10.800 --> 1:06:14.200 mission statement of the movie to like create a very 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:18.360 beautiful movie, which like mission accomplished that I hear based 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:22.280 on all of the fucking costuming YouTubers I watch because 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:27.200 I'm a Door is a very period accurate nice because 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:29.560 all the all the costuming YouTubers they're like this is 1:06:29.600 --> 1:06:32.520 eighteen o four and it should be eighteen o four 1:06:32.560 --> 1:06:35.720 and a half, like whatever, But this one apparently like 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:38.640 the attention to details, like on point, it's beautiful. It 1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:41.040 looks like a music video in a way that isn't 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:44.360 distracting whatever. But she said like, oh, I you know, 1:06:44.440 --> 1:06:47.400 you have this flawed heroine in the form of Emma. 1:06:47.480 --> 1:06:51.920 And I'm like that is true, but I and yet 1:06:52.000 --> 1:06:54.360 I really like and this isn't even a criticism of 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:58.000 the movie or the book. I just am like, yeah, 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:03.520 I don't like Emma. Like I'm like not, I'm interested 1:07:03.520 --> 1:07:05.840 in what happens to her, and I want her to 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:09.960 display growth, but I like, don't really, it's so obvious 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:11.560 that she's going to be fine, and then at the 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:16.440 end she's fine, right yeah, where it's like with Lizzie Bennett, 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:20.360 the stakes are relatively high, like she you know, and 1:07:20.440 --> 1:07:22.600 it is like we talked about in the last episode, 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:26.280 where it's like, you know, the middle class is not 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:29.800 a death sentence, but in the society that they're in it, 1:07:30.440 --> 1:07:32.520 you know, the misogyny was much more intense and there's 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:35.960 all this stuff, but Emma doesn't really It's made very 1:07:35.960 --> 1:07:39.840 clear early on that even though Emma remaining single, there 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:42.080 is some discrimination against her, which you get in those 1:07:42.080 --> 1:07:45.840 few moments of like well wives first, like single ladies 1:07:45.880 --> 1:07:48.440 to the back, and Emma never wants to get married, 1:07:48.480 --> 1:07:50.320 So this is how she'll be treated her whole life. 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:53.240 But it's made clear very early in the book and 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:55.439 I think in the movie too, that like, even though 1:07:55.440 --> 1:07:59.520 this is an unconventional decision, her immediate support system fully 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:03.320 accepts it and accepts her and thinks she's amazing, and 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:06.920 she'll be able to do it without her quality of 1:08:07.000 --> 1:08:11.400 life being sacrificed, right because, as we talked about in 1:08:11.440 --> 1:08:15.280 the last episode, one of the reasons that so many 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:18.000 women were so concerned about, like, oh my god, I 1:08:18.000 --> 1:08:19.320 have to get married, and I have to get married 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:21.120 right now, and it has to be to a man 1:08:21.320 --> 1:08:24.960 who has a big income, because that was literally a 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:30.559 survival thing. More than the very tropy. Women just love 1:08:30.680 --> 1:08:34.160 romance and they love getting married for the sake of 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:38.759 being married thing. So it's just like when Lizzie Bennett 1:08:38.800 --> 1:08:43.000 refuses someone's hand, a rich person's hand, it's a way 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:47.240 bigger deal than when Emma refuses anyone because she's going 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:50.080 to be fine no matter what which just for me 1:08:50.160 --> 1:08:53.160 makes it like her a like rich Girl learns a 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:55.640 lesson is just not a very compelling narrative to me. 1:08:56.960 --> 1:09:00.840 Let me pronouncing the tia narrative, what a bitch, Sorry, 1:09:02.840 --> 1:09:05.720 but it isn't like I just I don't know. And 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:08.680 again it's like, I'll be damned if I could tell 1:09:08.680 --> 1:09:10.599 you why it works for me. And clue is maybe 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:13.200 I just like the outfits better. But like, yeah, rich 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:16.000 girl learns a lesson is just not interesting to me, 1:09:16.200 --> 1:09:20.400 especially because it's like there, I just think, I don't know. 1:09:20.439 --> 1:09:23.080 I'm just like Jane Fairfax is more like her story 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:26.439 is more interesting, Like I've in my mind, Emma is 1:09:26.479 --> 1:09:29.599 a b character and Jane Fairfax's story, which is more 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:31.759 laired and more interesting, it has more to say about 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:35.679 class and gender and like how people interact with each other. 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:40.160 But I see what you mean. I don't think it's 1:09:40.200 --> 1:09:44.360 the most compelling story ever told. Sure, which is my 1:09:44.479 --> 1:09:50.040 standard for every movie. But if we do have to 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:55.559 watch movies about rich people, which many movies are, I'd 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:59.280 rather them learn and have an arc and see the 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:02.240 error of the ways. But the thing, I think what 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:08.560 Emma learns more than like I should be more empathetic 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:11.960 to people of a lower class than me. What she 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:15.559 learns more than that lesson is she just learns to 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:19.400 stop meddling in other people's lives. Right, So for sure, 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:23.519 if she learned something that had more to do with like, oh, 1:10:23.560 --> 1:10:26.599 I should stop treating poor people like they're a little 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:30.680 project of mine and treat them like human beings, or 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:35.679 I should spread my wealth meaningfully or something like that, 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:39.559 I would find that way more compelling than her just 1:10:39.640 --> 1:10:44.920 being like, oops, I played Matchmaker one too many times 1:10:45.040 --> 1:10:47.960 or whatever. Right, And it's like hard because it's like 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:50.080 I know that. That's why this story is like light 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:53.240 and fluffy and fun. It is because it's like this 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:56.519 young woman is clearly like if I was, like Emma's 1:10:56.520 --> 1:11:00.320 clearly projecting, like that's so much of the movie as 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:02.439 like I don't want to deal with my or maybe 1:11:02.439 --> 1:11:04.240 it's clear in the book. I don't know, Like it 1:11:04.280 --> 1:11:07.920 feels kind of clear that it's like Emma. Part of 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:10.679 the reason Emma metals and other people's lives is because 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:14.440 she is not able to see herself as the protagonist 1:11:14.439 --> 1:11:17.200 of her own life, which is interesting, like she keeps 1:11:17.240 --> 1:11:21.320 casting herself as like Judy Greer in her own life, 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:25.240 and it's like interesting choice because you're literally a millionaire, 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:31.200 And like, I wonder, I'm sure someone's done Emma's astrological chart, 1:11:31.280 --> 1:11:34.960 because it's so like she does have this like superhuman 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:38.120 ability to like that I know, like people have, but 1:11:38.200 --> 1:11:40.320 it's just not relatable to me at all. Of like, 1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:45.519 she's able to see romantic issues very like objectively, and 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:49.080 she looks at romance in terms of class, which I think, 1:11:49.200 --> 1:11:50.960 which is why I wish that I guess that that's 1:11:51.040 --> 1:11:54.040 part of why I ultimately kind of walk away disappointed 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:56.800 that there's not more said about class, because she is 1:11:56.960 --> 1:12:01.559 very obviously arranging people and doing this like puppetmaster thing 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:06.040 based on class, like the reason that she wants Harriet 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:08.200 like and and and then there's also this theme in 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:10.120 the book that is not touched on in the movie, 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:13.519 where it's like or she she says it about mister Martin. 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:15.559 I think that that's the most you get. At the 1:12:15.560 --> 1:12:17.960 beginning of the movie, she talks about like, well, I 1:12:18.000 --> 1:12:19.920 don't give a shit about mister Martin because he's not 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:22.000 poor enough for me to look like a hero if 1:12:22.040 --> 1:12:24.200 I help him, right, He's not rich enough that he 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:26.120 can actually hang out with me, so why would I 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.439 give a shit about him? And she's basically like, the 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:31.720 middle class is useless to me, because right, and so 1:12:31.760 --> 1:12:34.960 it's like she's she's an extremely classist character and that 1:12:35.080 --> 1:12:37.720 is like cannon to the book and the movie and 1:12:38.000 --> 1:12:40.959 like explicitly says like and she says this too, Harriet, 1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:43.839 which makes it clear that Emma's like, yeah, I consider 1:12:43.960 --> 1:12:48.760 you someone worth helping because because you're so poor, right, 1:12:48.880 --> 1:12:51.200 you come from nothing, and you don't even know who 1:12:51.280 --> 1:12:54.600 your parents are. But let's pretend like your father is 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:58.280 a gentleman. That's just what we'll say, right, And like, 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:02.360 so it's a game turn her like poor people are pawns, 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:05.840 and a game that she uses to elevate her own profile, 1:13:06.160 --> 1:13:11.040 a game of chess. Netflix. I gave of my boyfriend chess. Netflix. 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:21.040 That's what a fun name, mewtwo. You two. I'm so tired? Okay, 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:26.440 so same oh oh, So, like Emma is like the 1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:30.320 metaiest metaller that ever was, And part of it's because 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:33.200 she is like you know, like she says, I don't 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:35.960 want to get married, but then it turns out that 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:39.559 that's not actually the case. Find that happens whatever, But 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:43.880 she's she's matching according to class, like she wants Harriet 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:47.640 to class jump, like she wants Harriett to jump at 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:50.640 tax bracket. And that is why she keeps trying to 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:54.200 convince Harriet that she's in love with all of these men. 1:13:54.280 --> 1:13:58.439 And Harriet is very young and very impressionable and kind 1:13:58.439 --> 1:14:01.920 of out of her depth in many ways in this story, 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:04.800 and so she ends up like experiencing a lot of 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:08.559 emotional pain as I think, like a late high school 1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:13.080 early college student, right, because this rich girl is like, 1:14:13.120 --> 1:14:16.400 I want you to jump class you know, which, which 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:20.439 is in the context of this society, Like you could argue, 1:14:20.479 --> 1:14:23.799 you know, Emma wants to secure Harriet a better future 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:27.240 than she would have if they hadn't met. Sure, However, 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:31.120 once mister Knightley comes into the picture, obviously that's not 1:14:31.160 --> 1:14:33.680 the case because once she figures out like and this 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:36.040 is more explicit in the book, but like, once Emma 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:39.639 figures out that Harriet is in love with mister Knightley, 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:43.680 technically that is exactly what Emma was trying to do, 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:46.519 make a match for Harriet that was above her class 1:14:46.880 --> 1:14:50.960 that Harriet felt good about. Right, But Emma's like no, no, 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:53.720 not no, that's actually he's mine, So you have to 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.080 go to the dentist like for a month, and then 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:59.080 she like possibly fucks her friend over permanently, and then 1:14:59.160 --> 1:15:02.120 thankfully Harry it gets to marry the guy she wanted 1:15:02.120 --> 1:15:05.600 to marry the whole time. And Emma she doesn't apologize 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:07.760 to I mean, she does apologize to Harriet in the book, 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:10.360 but then she never speaks to her again, so it's like, right, 1:15:10.800 --> 1:15:13.920 what was the point I do? Like in the their 1:15:14.000 --> 1:15:17.000 friendship in the movie I think is more effective, but 1:15:17.640 --> 1:15:21.519 it's still just because of like the source material. It's 1:15:21.960 --> 1:15:24.960 like it's just never going to be super satisfying because 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:30.360 Harriet is just so forgiving of Emma. Everyone is everyone 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:35.439 she loves Emma. It could be like effective commentary maybe 1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:38.519 if it was like approached differently, but just like people's 1:15:38.560 --> 1:15:43.240 tendency to give rich people so much leeway and like 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:47.520 forgive them for all of their you know, horrible misdeeds, 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:50.599 but the movie isn't really commenting on that. It's just 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:54.599 like presenting, well, the book isn't either, Like right, again, 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:57.559 a lot of the problems with the movies storyline are 1:15:57.840 --> 1:15:59.760 part and parcel to what the like. I think that 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:01.960 the I do think the movie does the most I 1:16:02.080 --> 1:16:05.360 can with the story without striking too far from the story. 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:11.320 Shout out to screenwriter Eleanor Katton, who was a novelist 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:16.000 who has more recently gone to screenwriting, which is fun. 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:19.080 Love that for her. I read what was the book 1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:21.439 of hers? I read? I read, Oh, the Luminaries. It 1:16:21.479 --> 1:16:25.160 was good anyways, but there's yeah, there's just like so 1:16:25.280 --> 1:16:29.080 much like Emma Is I guess considered one of Jane 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:33.720 Austen's more conservative novels because it ultimately kind of ends 1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:38.639 upholding upholding the status quo in most ways where viewed 1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:42.080 from one side, it's like, oh, that's great that Harriet 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:44.600 married mister Martin because that was who she liked the 1:16:44.680 --> 1:16:48.400 most the whole time, so like, that's her following her bliss. 1:16:48.640 --> 1:16:51.240 But also Jane Austen made these people up, and she 1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:55.040 made it that in every case everyone married from except 1:16:55.160 --> 1:16:58.840 for the only couple that is like has class disparity 1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:00.880 in the way that like dars See and Lizzie Bennett 1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:04.760 do is Jane Fairfax and Frank Churchill. That's the one 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:07.640 couple actually that is worth But the movie kind of 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.719 chooses not to doesn't really make it clear that that 1:17:10.720 --> 1:17:16.759 that happens because of Jane Fairfax. Erasure right glosses over 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:21.800 what Jane Fairfax's situation is. I'm going to write one 1:17:21.840 --> 1:17:24.799 of those horrible God, I'm so sick of this happening, 1:17:24.880 --> 1:17:27.000 but I think it would be fun for Jane Fairfax, 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:29.400 you know, like when I feel like it like peeked 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:34.880 with like Wicked and like those Gregory mick Whatever's guys 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:38.240 books where he's like, remember this B character, Well, I 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:41.439 wrote a whole book about them having sex, And you're like, 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:44.800 I don't want I don't think I wanted that, but 1:17:45.120 --> 1:17:47.760 they were all bestsellers in like the mid to late 1:17:47.800 --> 1:17:51.559 two thousands. They're like, yeah, remember the like he wrote 1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:56.320 a book about the step sisters. He wrote Wicked. They're 1:17:56.360 --> 1:17:59.439 just like, yeah, I remember this B character. They they're 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:05.080 so funking horny, and you're just like, ah, okay, whatever, 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:09.880 I guess. A matron pointed out. Shout out to Abigail 1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:13.479 pointed out on the comments of our Prime Prejudice episode 1:18:14.160 --> 1:18:18.160 that an author named Janice Hadlow wrote a novel called 1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:21.280 The Other Bennett's Sister to flesh out the character of 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:27.240 Mary Bennett. She was, so see that's the one acceptable answer. 1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:30.479 So that's fine. Mary Bennett and Jane Fairfax are the 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:35.120 two side characters who are underdeveloped in the books and 1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:38.200 adaptations that I want to write. Oh I want to 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:43.439 read that Mary Bennett book. Yeah. Oh, Also, someone tweeted 1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:45.320 this at me. I don't know how we missed this, 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:49.520 you knoww we were like, oh, the actor who plays 1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:52.640 Mary as the least famous of everyone. Apparently she was 1:18:52.720 --> 1:18:57.240 married to Elon Musk twice. Twice they got married and 1:18:57.280 --> 1:19:00.439 then divorced, and then married again and then divorced again. 1:19:01.040 --> 1:19:06.200 So she was busy doing some probably fucked up stuff. Yeah, 1:19:06.479 --> 1:19:08.960 so that I guess that's why she's not acting, because 1:19:08.960 --> 1:19:16.479 she's she was. Look, you're we all on this planet 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:19.519 have one job, and it's still like not marry Elon 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:27.439 Musk and many people have um simply failed. As you 1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:30.360 hear that Grimes is La who was married to him 1:19:30.400 --> 1:19:33.240 right now, she did not marry him and then she 1:19:33.360 --> 1:19:35.000 broke up with him, but she did have a baby 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:38.960 with him. Oh right, okay, okay, And that is unfortunately 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:41.840 way too much information that I knew. But I'm a 1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:44.840 recovering Grimes fan. I really was. I was a huge 1:19:44.920 --> 1:19:47.080 fan of hers in college and I was like, Wow, 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:52.440 she's so cool, and then you married Elon Musk. Disappointed. 1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:54.960 Oh you know what, what what I should have said 1:19:55.200 --> 1:19:58.519 instead of that actor who married Elon Musk twice, I 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:09.240 should have said mute two times. Oh anyway, go on, 1:20:10.080 --> 1:20:14.639 Oh my goodness, Okay, I guess I'm sorry. I don't 1:20:14.640 --> 1:20:20.920 know anyways, Jane Fairfax Rocks Emma is. Emma is fine, 1:20:21.439 --> 1:20:23.920 but she's not the most interesting person in the story, 1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:26.880 I don't think sure. The couple things that struck me 1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:30.360 about her since I wasn't familiar with the book and 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:34.880 didn't know how this adaptation compared to the book. Speaking 1:20:34.880 --> 1:20:41.480 strictly from watching the movie, standpoint, I found it interesting 1:20:42.520 --> 1:20:49.599 that Emma Her relationship with women was noteworthy in that 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:54.240 she seems to hate almost every woman she encounters, with 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:59.000 the exception of Harriet. But that's also an interesting relationship 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:04.679 because MS sees Harriet and missus Weston right, yes, yes, yes, yeah, 1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:09.479 oh right, okay, So Harriet MS sees more as a 1:21:09.560 --> 1:21:14.280 project than a French person. Yeah, especially in the book 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:16.479 as you've described it, she was just going to be 1:21:16.520 --> 1:21:19.640 like sorry, mister Knightley's mine. You have to go to 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:22.559 the dentist now. Right. In the movie, they do change that, 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:27.400 which humanizes EMA's character more. But even so, m spends 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:30.960 most of the movie not really treating Harriet as an 1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:36.439 equal and being like, I'm the teacher. I teach you things, 1:21:36.520 --> 1:21:38.920 and you have to do as I say, and if 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:41.760 you make choices that I don't like, then I'm not 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:44.520 gonna want to be your friend. So that's a peculiar 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:49.320 relationship with Missus Weston. Well, Missus Weston is like basically 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:53.360 her like surrogate mom. So that's right. I think why 1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:55.640 that relationship goes away it is, I do. Yeah, if 1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:58.200 with Emma there is this kind of strong, like she 1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:00.960 has a bit of a guy's gal energy about her, 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:05.160 where she's much more forgiving and even like celebrates the 1:22:05.200 --> 1:22:08.360 faults of the men around her and is very very 1:22:08.439 --> 1:22:11.840 punitive and judgmental of other women around her. I feel 1:22:11.840 --> 1:22:14.680 like again in the book and at the movie to 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:19.040 an extent, that's contextualized a little better, where you know, like, 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:22.559 part of why Lizzie Bennett is amazing is because there's 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:26.479 constantly this pressure on her to dislike other women and 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:29.640 She's like, no, fuck you. This is an important relationship 1:22:29.680 --> 1:22:33.280 to be and that's why Lizzie Bennett's the best. Emma 1:22:33.400 --> 1:22:35.200 on the other hand, I feel like experience is that 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:37.679 same pressure of like we live in a small community, 1:22:37.720 --> 1:22:40.160 everyone's in competition with each other, blah blah blah, and 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:44.360 she gives into that I feel like in a major way, 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:46.800 in a way that probably wasn't unusual for that time 1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:50.479 and still happens now, right, But yeah, Emma doesn't really 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:52.439 push back on that until at the end of the 1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:54.760 book where she issues a series of apologies and makes 1:22:54.800 --> 1:22:57.400 things right, which like sort of happens in the movie. 1:22:57.560 --> 1:22:59.680 I don't know. I wish that had happened more in 1:23:00.040 --> 1:23:02.760 a movie, because if the movie is asking us to 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:08.519 be endeared and empathetic toward Emma, yeah, she needs to 1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:11.960 grow more and she needs to apologize because the way 1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:14.559 I was seeing it, she starts out hating a lot 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:18.479 of the women around her, but then sees the error 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:21.640 in her ways, Like especially after after she's cruel to 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:26.040 Miss Bates, she offers her a basket and I guess 1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:28.760 that's an apology, but she like kind of she comes 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:33.040 around on Miss Bates. She doesn't really come around on 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:36.080 Jane Fairfax in the movie. I would have liked to 1:23:36.200 --> 1:23:40.200 see more of Emma acknowledging that she was being very 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:45.200 petty and jealous and classics toward Jane, but that we 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:47.759 don't really see that in the movie, which is weird 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:49.880 because I feel like it would help the movie, and 1:23:50.200 --> 1:23:55.680 it definitely happens right right with Harriet. Obviously, that's a 1:23:55.720 --> 1:24:00.280 major change in this adaptation, and I think for the 1:24:00.360 --> 1:24:04.400 better because it again does make Emma more empathetic and 1:24:05.000 --> 1:24:09.000 more active. So I'm pro that choice. But I think 1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:14.720 a more effective film overall and like adaptation would have 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:20.840 shown Emma being prejudice toward the women around her at 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:25.080 the beginning, but then reconciling with them and like growing 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:29.000 and having those relationships become more positive by the end 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:33.120 fresh versus like in the beginning, she's favoring a lot 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:35.320 of the men around her and like thinking they're awesome. 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:38.240 She thinks mister Elton is awesome at first. She thinks 1:24:38.280 --> 1:24:42.080 Frank Churchill is awesome before she has ever even met him, 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:44.639 you know. She thinks all these men are awesome. And 1:24:44.760 --> 1:24:47.120 this is I think done pretty effectively in the movie, 1:24:47.160 --> 1:24:51.200 where she as she gets to know them, realizes their 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:55.519 actually way worse than she thought, so basically like the 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:57.720 arc for Emma should have been, like she starts out 1:24:57.840 --> 1:25:01.040 as a very bad, very poor judge of character, and 1:25:01.080 --> 1:25:04.679 then by the end she becomes a way better judge 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:07.599 of character. And maybe that's and which is like also 1:25:07.720 --> 1:25:10.519 kind of what priend prejudice it is about, but it's 1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:15.400 just better. It's better. I mean, I know that not 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:18.679 everyone can be Lizzie Bennett, but I'm just like, damn Emma, 1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:23.280 Lizzie Bennett, no contest, honey, I would so be friends 1:25:23.479 --> 1:25:26.360 with Elizabeth Bennett. I don't want to be friends with 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:30.040 Emma Woodhouse, No, I wish her no ill, But I 1:25:30.080 --> 1:25:32.080 do want to be friends with Jane. And I want 1:25:32.120 --> 1:25:35.240 to talk Jane into divorcing Frank and eloping with me 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:38.840 because she's awesome. But also it's I don't know in 1:25:39.360 --> 1:25:42.439 this world Jane ending up with Frank is It's funny 1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:45.080 because it's like I kind of in some ways, I 1:25:45.160 --> 1:25:48.679 kind of like and again I'm maybe talking more about 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:50.679 the book here, but like I kind of like mister 1:25:50.840 --> 1:25:53.640 Knightley more than I like Emma, which feels like a betrayal. 1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:56.599 But like mister Knightley, I see what you mean. Like 1:25:56.680 --> 1:25:59.120 mister Knightley, it has the same amount. I mean, he 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:01.559 has more privilege than Emma because he's a man, right, 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:06.200 so like inherently, but personality wise, mister Knightley is way 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:10.040 more willing, probably also because he's older, way more willing 1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:12.840 to be like you can't treat people like that or 1:26:13.000 --> 1:26:16.240 like in the book especially he goes on some you know, 1:26:16.320 --> 1:26:19.960 too long tears, but like he's he's I think more 1:26:20.120 --> 1:26:23.880 often than Emma presents the morally correct standpoint towards a 1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:27.880 character where he's very quick to be like Frank is 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:32.599 a bullshit artist, like something isn't quite right there. He's 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:35.800 like courting you, but it's weird, like he catches on 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:38.479 to that very quickly. He also catches on quick to 1:26:38.560 --> 1:26:41.040 like Emma, why are you being mean to Jane? She's 1:26:41.080 --> 1:26:43.360 like a perfectly nice person and I think you're maybe 1:26:43.360 --> 1:26:45.880 a little bit jealous of her. And Emma's like no, 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:48.840 which is which is pointed coming from a man, because 1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:51.000 it's like what does he know? But also he's like 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:54.160 correct in that situation. And then he also is the 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:56.920 person that's like, you can't treat miss bates like that, 1:26:57.040 --> 1:26:59.920 and he lays out a pretty like I thought, like 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:01.840 and this is in the book too, but like a 1:27:01.840 --> 1:27:06.080 pretty gender and class aware argument as to why he's like, 1:27:06.160 --> 1:27:08.240 not only does it mean but you need to keep 1:27:08.280 --> 1:27:10.240 in mind that she does not have the same amount 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:12.479 of privilege that you have, right, and because of how 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:15.360 our society is structured, her situation is going to get 1:27:15.400 --> 1:27:18.920 worse with time, So like, how dare you talk to 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:21.880 her that way? Right, which is also like, well, nightly, 1:27:21.920 --> 1:27:24.600 you could always help her out, You're a fucking bajillionaire. 1:27:25.200 --> 1:27:29.320 But just the fact that he sees and understands gender 1:27:29.320 --> 1:27:31.880 and class issues better than Emma in some ways, and 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:35.360 then obviously there's other other ways that Emma like Emma 1:27:35.400 --> 1:27:37.760 seems hyper aware of the fact that she will be 1:27:37.800 --> 1:27:40.160 treated differently her whole life if she never gets married, 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:42.879 and she's already said like, I'm fine with that. It sucks, 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:45.240 but I'm fine with that, which is I think one 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:48.200 of the only points that that character has to make 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:50.679 that was interesting to me. I don't know, I guess 1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:55.479 I'm anti. I just don't like whatever, Like you don't 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:57.840 have to like her, I don't In many cases, like 1:27:57.880 --> 1:28:00.959 she's supposed to be hard to like, and it works. 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:06.160 I found it hard to like her, right yeah, Because 1:28:06.200 --> 1:28:11.240 it's also mister Knightley who sees through Frank Churchill right 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:13.720 away too, and it's like this guy sucks. How do 1:28:13.760 --> 1:28:17.599 you not notice this? And Emma's like, no, he's awesome. 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:21.760 And in the book, Emma forgives Frank. Frank sends her 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:24.519 this long letter and he's like, hey, sorry, I was 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:27.200 like aggressively flirting with you all that time. I assumed 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:29.360 that you knew that I wasn't serious about it, and 1:28:29.840 --> 1:28:32.400 which in the book is true. So she's like, oh, yeah, 1:28:32.439 --> 1:28:35.040 I do. But it's like, imagine if she didn't know 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:38.200 how evil that is. And then he's like, yeah, it 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:41.120 was really mean of me to be like aggressive, like 1:28:41.360 --> 1:28:43.320 because he does it once in the movie, he does 1:28:43.320 --> 1:28:45.679 it all the time. In the book, he's constantly calling 1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:49.320 Jane weird, looking like to throw everyone off his scent 1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:52.520 that he secretly engaged to her. He's like, Jane Fairfax, 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:55.599 what a weirdo? Hate her, can't stand her, and like 1:28:55.760 --> 1:28:58.439 eggs Emma on to do the same, and then she 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:03.559 forgives him, and I'm just like, Jane, baby, let's get 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:06.719 out of here, like I don't know, it's so bizarre, 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:10.880 like Frank sucks and Nightly Nightly. Then oh so in 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:13.719 the book, Emma reads the letter and she's like, oh, well, 1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:16.679 you know, Frank, you know, he made a lot of mistakes, 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:19.439 but I'm glad he apologized, which is true. Men don't 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:24.320 usually apologize for anything in fiction or real life. So 1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:26.800 there you go, that's good. You know, he did more 1:29:26.840 --> 1:29:28.840 than most people would, but it's still not enough because 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:31.719 he did a lot of bad stuff. And Nightly reads 1:29:31.760 --> 1:29:35.120 the letter after her, and it's like, all right, well, 1:29:35.439 --> 1:29:38.080 I guess it's good that he apologized, but like, I 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:40.240 still think Jane is way too good for him and 1:29:40.320 --> 1:29:42.040 I don't want to hang out with him. And I 1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:47.639 was like, yeah, mister Knightley, Well, the other big thing 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:52.880 for me with this movie is the romance between Emma 1:29:53.160 --> 1:29:56.680 and mister Knightley. I mean, we've already touched on some 1:29:56.800 --> 1:30:00.720 of this stuff, but you know, it starts out not 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:05.400 unlike the way that like the Lizzie Bennett and Darcy 1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:09.240 relationships starts out where they are, you know, antagonistic toward 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:13.200 each other. With Emma and Nightly, it's a little more 1:30:13.240 --> 1:30:18.320 like teasy and like they're acquainted already, so they have 1:30:18.400 --> 1:30:22.840 like a rapport that they've had for many years. Yeah, 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:29.160 it's cute. It's cute. And what I find maybe this 1:30:29.240 --> 1:30:33.519 is maybe this is just me, but if I like someone, 1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:37.080 I'm very acutely aware that I like them. I've never 1:30:37.120 --> 1:30:39.800 experienced the thing that seems to happen a lot in 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:44.040 movies where someone realizes that they've been in love with 1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:49.559 someone for months or years. Has this Does this happen 1:30:49.560 --> 1:30:52.640 to other people? Where they're like, they're just completely clueless 1:30:52.680 --> 1:30:55.400 that they're in love with someone, and one day the 1:30:55.880 --> 1:30:58.680 right clueless, one day a light bulb goes off and 1:30:58.680 --> 1:31:00.640 they're like, wait a minute, I've been in love with 1:31:00.680 --> 1:31:04.640 this person the whole time. Is that a thing? I 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:09.160 don't know? I mean, I I don't think like in 1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:12.240 this way. I think I find that more. I think 1:31:12.240 --> 1:31:15.120 that that happens more often than enemies to lovers, Like 1:31:15.720 --> 1:31:17.880 I do think that it's like I know, I mean, 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:19.640 I guess you could argue that that's sort of what 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:22.639 happened with my parents. They were friends for like I mean, 1:31:22.720 --> 1:31:27.240 granted they're extremely divorced, but my parents were like friends 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:30.800 for seven years and then they started dating. But were 1:31:30.840 --> 1:31:33.120 they like secretly in love with each other that whole 1:31:33.160 --> 1:31:36.120 time and then they find they like suddenly realized it 1:31:36.320 --> 1:31:41.120 or is it? Probably not, Caitlin, But do I think 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:43.559 that Nightly has had a thing for Emma forever? Which 1:31:43.720 --> 1:31:45.960 gets problematic because she was a kid for a lot 1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:48.439 of that. But I don't know. I do think that 1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:50.800 they're like, I don't think it happens as often as 1:31:50.880 --> 1:31:53.000 it happens in books, but I do think that, like 1:31:53.080 --> 1:31:55.479 there's plenty of examples in real life of people being 1:31:55.520 --> 1:31:59.080 friends for a long time and then falling in love. Well, yeah, 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:01.600 that I think that's definite thing. But I'm saying, not 1:32:01.760 --> 1:32:03.720 like realizing I've loved you the whole time. I don't 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:06.160 understand how that would right. Yeah, that sounds made out. 1:32:06.200 --> 1:32:08.799 I mean again, maybe maybe there are people out there 1:32:08.840 --> 1:32:12.240 that that happened, but I don't. I'm just like, I 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:14.960 don't know. Maybe I'm just so aware of my feelings 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:19.200 brag that I just know if I love someone, I 1:32:19.240 --> 1:32:22.920 don't know. I anyway, I guess that that well, I know, 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:24.960 you know what, I think it happens, I do, okay, 1:32:25.040 --> 1:32:27.320 because I was just like, wait, I think that that 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:30.080 that's actually kind of what happens in my first major relationship. 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:32.800 I well, I the point I was going to try 1:32:32.800 --> 1:32:37.080 to make was because I like realistic representations of romance 1:32:37.720 --> 1:32:41.000 in media because it so rarely happens. Yeah, so many 1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:43.880 romantic movies just like make up a thing that doesn't 1:32:43.880 --> 1:32:46.760 seem to happen ever in real life, and that's like 1:32:46.960 --> 1:32:50.360 the crux of the relationship, and then convinces people that 1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:52.639 that's how stuff is going to go in their life 1:32:52.640 --> 1:32:54.679 and that it doesn't and then they're just like well, 1:32:55.040 --> 1:32:57.320 and then they're thirty and then they're like, wait a second, 1:32:57.360 --> 1:32:59.400 I guess that wasn't a thing, right, So I was 1:32:59.439 --> 1:33:02.599 just curious, So sound off in the comments. Also, matrons, 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:06.759 if if it's happened to you where you've loved someone 1:33:06.920 --> 1:33:08.880 for a long time but it took you a very 1:33:08.880 --> 1:33:11.960 long time to realize it and you had no idea 1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:14.880 about your feelings, because if that is a thing, then 1:33:15.000 --> 1:33:18.760 I will I will hold my tongue. I think it 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:21.560 does happen, but not as often as it does in ficture. 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:27.639 That's my that's my I don't know, sorry, but that's 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:36.240 my two little pet. That's should we just end the episode, 1:33:36.240 --> 1:33:40.400 I don't know things are going off the rails. I 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:43.840 don't think I have anything else to say. Honestly, I 1:33:43.880 --> 1:33:46.320 will say that in the comments of our Patreon someone 1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:49.559 mentioned that Miss Bates and Emma, or their opinion was 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:52.599 it Miss Bates and Emma was as close to um 1:33:53.400 --> 1:33:57.400 Jane Austen's financial situation, which was that she like had 1:33:57.479 --> 1:33:59.360 some money as a young person, but then when certain 1:33:59.400 --> 1:34:04.599 relatives die, she was dependent and it was single because 1:34:04.640 --> 1:34:07.959 her income from writing wasn't significant enough to like elevate 1:34:08.040 --> 1:34:13.559 her to like Emma's status. So God, just more more grist, 1:34:13.640 --> 1:34:16.120 little to chew on. Yeah, do you ever? Do you 1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:19.000 have anything else here? Just one last really quick thing. 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:21.000 This is something we you talked about in the ever 1:34:21.080 --> 1:34:25.719 After episode. Yes, okay, I is another movie that paints 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:30.200 romani people as dangerous thieves. It's not as egregious in 1:34:30.240 --> 1:34:33.240 this movie as it is and ever After I would argue, 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:36.519 but there's a definite mention of it. And that's something 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:38.600 that's in the book that I was shocked made it 1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:41.840 to the movie. Shocked, Yeah, because this movie was made 1:34:41.880 --> 1:34:45.559 two years ago and everyone involved should have known better, 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:49.599 because it's like this movie does take creative license with 1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:54.040 a lot of plot points. Why not that one peepee 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:58.240 poop poo bad job. Yes, Other than that, yeah, I think, um, 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:03.439 I guess. My parting word. My parting thoughts are that 1:35:04.120 --> 1:35:08.400 this adaptation could have lent itself to a character in 1:35:08.520 --> 1:35:13.160 Emma that I would be more empathetic toward, had she 1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:17.720 demonstrated more growth by the end, a better judge of 1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:20.920 character by the end, gotten rid of her prides and 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:24.600 prejudices by the end, especially because so many of the 1:35:24.640 --> 1:35:28.320 people that she was quick to judge or mistreat our 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:37.200 other women, And had Emma not ended up such a classist, 1:35:37.760 --> 1:35:42.880 anti woman character, which is so hard because it's like 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:46.320 I don't think that Emma's like anti woman per se, 1:35:46.400 --> 1:35:48.920 but like it's just like it's a very weird, complicated 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:52.000 thing that the way that this story has been adapted 1:35:52.720 --> 1:35:56.320 makes it hard to be on Emma's side as much 1:35:56.360 --> 1:35:58.479 as the movie would like you to be. I think 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:02.599 right in the book, I feel like my I forget 1:36:02.640 --> 1:36:05.240 what other but I'm like, I find it very easy 1:36:05.280 --> 1:36:08.320 to believe that the book has elements of satire to it, 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:10.400 of like rich people are going to be rich people, 1:36:10.640 --> 1:36:13.240 and like, look at all these. I don't know. This 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:15.720 one is kind of tough because I always want to 1:36:15.760 --> 1:36:18.920 be resistant towards like why doesn't this movie that takes 1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:21.599 place in eighteen twelve have the morals of today. It's like, well, 1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:24.880 we know why, right, But then also why choose to 1:36:24.920 --> 1:36:30.680 adapt something from back then in the twenty twenties and 1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:34.160 not really say anything or do anything about it. I 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:36.360 felt that way with like, well, I think that she tried, 1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:39.519 Like I that's willy come to the But I do 1:36:39.600 --> 1:36:42.439 think that they tried. I think they changed elements and 1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:45.519 they tried to put you more in the friendship with 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:47.880 Emma and Harriet. And they try and they did, like 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:50.439 I mean, and they were successful in putting you more 1:36:50.439 --> 1:36:54.160 in Emma and Harriet's friendship and demonstrating more personal growth 1:36:54.160 --> 1:36:56.080 on Emma's part than takes place in the book. I 1:36:56.120 --> 1:36:58.800 just think it gets a little dissonant, and it gets 1:36:58.800 --> 1:37:01.400 into what was Jane Austen's intent with this character, and 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:04.320 does the movie telegraph that same intent? So I think 1:37:04.320 --> 1:37:07.200 it's just like it's adaptation wise. For me, it's a 1:37:07.240 --> 1:37:10.160 little messy because I don't think my read of the 1:37:10.160 --> 1:37:13.519 book was that you're not really supposed to be like Wahoo, 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:16.440 Emma got everything she wanted. It's more like and obviously 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:19.559 Emma got everything she wanted, where the movie wants you 1:37:19.600 --> 1:37:21.920 to be more like Wallhoo, Emma got everything she wanted. 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:25.120 And it's just hard when someone is that privileged and 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:29.000 most of her growth happens through minor inconveniences that affect 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:31.920 other people more than herself, it's hard to root for her, 1:37:32.000 --> 1:37:33.720 and it's hard to be like Wall who she got 1:37:33.760 --> 1:37:36.120 what she wanted because you're told in the opening line 1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:39.439 she's clever, handsome, and rich. She gets what she wants, right, 1:37:39.640 --> 1:37:42.560 So why am I supposed to be cheering at the 1:37:42.640 --> 1:37:46.679 end when she gets what she wants? So I just 1:37:47.360 --> 1:37:49.960 I don't know. I've it's weird, and it's like I 1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:53.120 want to be careful to not like Project twenty twenty 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:56.679 two morals onto this story and in the same way 1:37:56.800 --> 1:37:59.680 or like, but Jane Austen has done a better like 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:03.439 we just covered a story where Jane Austen did, I think, 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:06.360 like a much more effective job of discussing these same 1:38:06.400 --> 1:38:13.559 topics that feel weird in this adaptation. Right, it's just weird. 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:17.479 I don't know. My opinion is it's fucking weird. Who knows. 1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:19.799 I mean, honestly, I have had such a good time 1:38:20.160 --> 1:38:23.479 prepping for the It's not to brag, but it's taken 1:38:23.840 --> 1:38:27.120 way longer than it usually does when you're reading a 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:29.360 whole book and then watching a movie a billion times. 1:38:29.360 --> 1:38:34.400 But I feel really something revisiting Jane Austen's work and 1:38:34.479 --> 1:38:38.080 like having to engage with a period piece like this critically, 1:38:38.120 --> 1:38:41.479 because it is challenging to be like, Okay, you know 1:38:41.560 --> 1:38:44.920 we're an intersectional feminist podcast, but what does that mean 1:38:45.680 --> 1:38:48.799 with this work, and like, how can we analyze something 1:38:48.800 --> 1:38:52.080 without coming to the table with a completely unreasonable expectation, 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:54.720 and like how does adaptation to I don't know. It's 1:38:54.760 --> 1:38:58.400 been a fun little brain puzzle that everyone's going to 1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:02.120 view differently, but I've enjoyed it. I don't know, But 1:39:02.160 --> 1:39:05.800 I mean Pride and Prejudice way fucking better. And I 1:39:05.840 --> 1:39:07.920 don't think that that's the fault of the filmmakers of 1:39:07.960 --> 1:39:11.760 this movie. This movie is gorgeous. All the performances are 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:15.240 well done. The only thing that I would really criticize 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:19.080 about this movie that is the treatment of Romani people. 1:39:19.200 --> 1:39:23.200 And also just like I mean, scaling back Jane, I 1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:28.640 didn't love and removing more effective apologies that were in 1:39:28.680 --> 1:39:30.519 the book but were left out in the movie. I 1:39:30.520 --> 1:39:34.639 thought was bizarre. But but the third act changes, even 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:36.599 though some of them, like you were saying, were like 1:39:37.200 --> 1:39:41.400 a little too modern, even so I liked the third 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:43.160 act changes they made. I thought it was like a cool. 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:46.679 It kind of reminded me of another White Girl reboot 1:39:46.720 --> 1:39:50.920 we saw recently with Little Women, where Gredick Gerwick was 1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:53.040 doing all sorts of funery with the third act of 1:39:53.080 --> 1:39:55.280 that movie, and it worked out in this really fun, 1:39:55.800 --> 1:39:58.360 cool way that had something to say. This one maybe 1:39:58.360 --> 1:39:59.960 didn't have quite as much to say, but I thought 1:40:00.120 --> 1:40:03.519 it was like a cool I don't know, I'm happy 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:07.040 it exists. I would rather see more adaptations of Pride 1:40:07.080 --> 1:40:12.120 and Prejudice than of Emma. And also, you know, I don't, 1:40:12.160 --> 1:40:14.599 I don't know. I mean, I don't. I don't even 1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:17.560 know that I necessarily feel like no more Jane Austen adaptations. 1:40:17.600 --> 1:40:19.120 I think it's kind of cool that there are these 1:40:19.160 --> 1:40:22.960 properties that get a generational reboot. It's kind of like 1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:25.960 Shakespeare in that way, like Where and Autumn. De Wilde 1:40:26.000 --> 1:40:29.320 says that in an interview where the first question an 1:40:29.320 --> 1:40:33.360 interviewer asked her, was like, so why in Emma reboot? 1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:36.000 Why now? And she's like, no, I've literally never heard 1:40:36.040 --> 1:40:39.280 that asked of a Shakespeare reboots. So I don't know 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:43.640 how to answer that question, right, So I don't. I 1:40:43.640 --> 1:40:47.559 don't know. It's it's all, it's all weird. Should we 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:52.720 cover Pride and prejudice and zombies? No? It sucks. I 1:40:52.800 --> 1:40:56.400 never saw it sucks. It's so boring. But Joel Kim, 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:59.559 Booster and Boie Yang are in that Pride and Prejudice 1:40:59.600 --> 1:41:03.160 reaming called Fire Island that comes out next year. Oh, 1:41:04.640 --> 1:41:07.519 I didn't realize that was I had no idea see it. 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:10.240 So it's like this is like these are fun stories 1:41:10.240 --> 1:41:14.160 to reimagine and readapt and like still like Clueless is 1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:18.480 the most fun I think in like insightful ly adapted 1:41:18.600 --> 1:41:21.880 version of Emma. But I liked this movie. I thought 1:41:21.880 --> 1:41:25.400 that they did cool stuff and it like it's so 1:41:25.479 --> 1:41:29.080 beautiful it is. I liked it. It It passes the Bechdel test. 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:32.720 M it does, sure does. What would you rate it 1:41:32.760 --> 1:41:35.720 on our nimble scale? Because I don't know. I think 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:38.760 I'm gonna go with like two and a half or three, 1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:42.599 like something like maybe three given the time period, because 1:41:42.640 --> 1:41:46.880 it's like centering a complicated woman at the center of 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:50.840 a story in a movie that's directed and written by women, 1:41:50.880 --> 1:41:53.040 that's adapted from an old ass book by a woman. 1:41:53.120 --> 1:41:56.639 A woman it bears saying that it is all white women, 1:41:56.880 --> 1:41:59.439 you know, right down the line there. However, it's like 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:02.800 it is. It is rare in that regard, and I 1:42:02.840 --> 1:42:04.559 feel like that's a lot of the reason why this 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:10.120 story has endured and so for its time specifically. Yeah, 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:12.679 a complicated female character at the center of a story, 1:42:12.840 --> 1:42:17.559 whether I like her or not, is something. Sure, she's 1:42:17.600 --> 1:42:22.599 no Elizabeth Bennett honey, but I think even Jane Austen 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:25.000 knows that, you know. So it's like it is it, 1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:29.400 it's complicated. I don't like Emma. I just don't love 1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:32.519 I don't know. These are just like like I think 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:36.599 that ultimately, like Emma doesn't. She understands what she's done, 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:39.760 but there's not really any consequence for it in a 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:42.640 way that I find so frustrating. She's like fucking with 1:42:43.080 --> 1:42:46.479 the like she could have ruined Harriet's life. It's like 1:42:46.600 --> 1:42:49.120 it really like she could have rout like in this 1:42:49.160 --> 1:42:53.040 society specifically, Emma is trying to make herself feel like 1:42:53.280 --> 1:42:57.760 she's doing something, like she's whatever, insecure about whatever it is. 1:42:57.800 --> 1:43:00.519 It's everyone quite clear to me what it is, and 1:43:00.600 --> 1:43:02.320 so she needs to feel like she's doing something. But 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:05.439 she's ruining the life of someone much poorer than her. 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:09.280 So I hate that. But I do, like I mean, 1:43:09.800 --> 1:43:12.840 in terms of the class spectrum, there is a lot 1:43:12.880 --> 1:43:15.360 of women of different classes that I think are all 1:43:16.240 --> 1:43:18.240 I still think that Miss Bates and Harriet are made 1:43:18.280 --> 1:43:20.160 to look silly because of their class and made to 1:43:20.200 --> 1:43:23.920 seem like under educated. Yeah, but you do get humanizing 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:26.960 moments with them. It's not like their total cartoon characters. 1:43:27.840 --> 1:43:31.200 It's just all so complicated. I don't know. But like 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:34.479 Emma is handsome, clever, and rich. It's on the fucking poster. 1:43:35.439 --> 1:43:37.720 She starts the story that way, and she ends the 1:43:37.720 --> 1:43:41.240 story that way, and she does learn a lesson about meddling. 1:43:41.280 --> 1:43:43.400 But I think, given the fact that she's meddling on 1:43:43.439 --> 1:43:46.880 a class basis, I just wish that this movie had 1:43:46.920 --> 1:43:51.280 word to say about class. It's so it's hard, I 1:43:51.320 --> 1:43:55.080 guess I'll But because Autumn deWilde is really fucking cool, 1:43:55.160 --> 1:43:57.639 I want to see more movies from her. I thought 1:43:57.680 --> 1:44:00.880 the screenplay was pretty well done for like Annie Taylor 1:44:01.000 --> 1:44:09.680 Joy is you know chess Netflix, She's great Bill and 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:12.519 I he no notes, Like, I guess I'll give it 1:44:12.560 --> 1:44:16.080 three nipples, and I'm giving them all to Jane Fairfax. 1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:18.479 Give her a spare put in her pocket like a 1:44:18.560 --> 1:44:26.360 tire nice. I will agree on three. I think, just 1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:30.479 echoing a lot of your thoughts on it definitely could have, 1:44:30.840 --> 1:44:36.840 especially again an adaptation coming out in twenty twenty. I 1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:40.160 feel like, and I mean, maybe this is just because 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:42.479 we've been doing this podcast for over five years, but 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:45.599 I'm of the mind that if you're going to adapt 1:44:45.720 --> 1:44:49.639 something with such old source material, accompany it with some 1:44:49.840 --> 1:44:56.360 interesting commentary or make adaptation changes that update the story 1:44:56.680 --> 1:45:00.240 in interesting and meaningful ways. And I think I think 1:45:00.240 --> 1:45:02.920 this movie does attempt that to some degree, but I 1:45:02.960 --> 1:45:06.760 agree that it doesn't do quite enough. Yeah, Like, I 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:09.639 don't necessarily want to see like an eighteen hundred story 1:45:09.800 --> 1:45:12.479 with twenty twenty two morals, but like maybe I do. 1:45:12.640 --> 1:45:16.040 But also I'm like, I think I just like want 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:20.880 to see new story, right, I don't know, I don't know, 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:25.320 And I guess some things are just there for entertainment. 1:45:25.479 --> 1:45:32.000 And we don't need big whatever or whatever. Mute two mute. 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:38.439 Oh my god, and this era. I was about to 1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:49.440 make a terrible joke go about the mewtwo movement anyway, Okay, 1:45:49.840 --> 1:45:55.840 sorry everything, mute the hashtag mutube movement. You're evil. Oh 1:45:55.920 --> 1:46:00.800 my god, that's so funny. Okay, three nipples I will give. 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:05.639 I'll give one to Harriet. I'll give one to miss 1:46:05.640 --> 1:46:09.639 Bates because she deserves way more of an apology than 1:46:09.720 --> 1:46:12.599 she got from Emma. And then I'll give my funnel 1:46:13.400 --> 1:46:19.200 nipple to Bill Ni because I'm dying. You literally said 1:46:19.280 --> 1:46:27.400 the mutube movement. It's the worst thing I've ever said. 1:46:27.479 --> 1:46:31.600 Maybe I need to take a nap. That was unbelievable. 1:46:32.080 --> 1:46:36.760 Wow Wow, well I I well everyone, I hope it 1:46:36.800 --> 1:46:39.400 was worth waiting five years because Caitlin just said the 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:45.519 mutube movement. Um, I'm gonna get canceled for that. No, 1:46:45.680 --> 1:46:48.840 I truly like we said it in our in our 1:46:48.920 --> 1:46:52.160 pride and pressure this episode. But this was very rewarding, 1:46:52.320 --> 1:46:55.200 very cool. Uh. You know, we're not going to read 1:46:55.240 --> 1:46:57.679 a book for another five years, but thank you. Well, 1:46:57.760 --> 1:47:01.200 we'll do Wuthering Heights in five years. Oh, I don't 1:47:01.240 --> 1:47:05.720 know about that I take it back. Uh, you know, 1:47:06.160 --> 1:47:09.360 it's just, uh, we're not a buck podcast. It really 1:47:09.360 --> 1:47:11.240 takes a lot out of us. But he will be back. 1:47:11.880 --> 1:47:16.920 We'll be back. We'll be back next month talking about 1:47:16.240 --> 1:47:20.000 who knows, maybe Detective Pikachu. Do you do you all 1:47:20.000 --> 1:47:22.240 want that? Do you home want? That's not enough in 1:47:22.240 --> 1:47:26.280 the comments? All right, Well there you have it. That 1:47:26.439 --> 1:47:32.160 was our unlocked Emma episode from our Patreon aka Matreon, 1:47:33.120 --> 1:47:38.519 where you can subscribe to find even more episodes like that. 1:47:39.160 --> 1:47:42.519 You'll notice we mentioned the Pride and Prejudice episode that 1:47:42.520 --> 1:47:47.320 we had also covered that month. 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It's a really fun 1:48:30.120 --> 1:48:33.759 community over there. It's a blast, it's blast and a half. 1:48:33.840 --> 1:48:36.439 So UM, we hope to see you over there, um, 1:48:36.600 --> 1:48:38.880 or we'll just see you back here on the main feed. 1:48:38.920 --> 1:48:42.160 We got a lot of exciting stuff coming up and 1:48:42.880 --> 1:48:47.320 with that, UM, have a great I'm trying to think 1:48:47.360 --> 1:48:50.360 of a fun Emma way to oh, but I can't remember. 1:48:50.560 --> 1:48:58.480 I mean bee boop fairly well something something, No, we're 1:48:58.840 --> 1:49:01.400 bill Oh, now I remember where we talked about Pokemon 1:49:01.400 --> 1:49:04.800 because Bill Nii, because Bill Nii is in Detective Pikachu, 1:49:05.200 --> 1:49:07.840 and because I was playing a lot of Pokemon on 1:49:07.880 --> 1:49:10.640 my Nintendo Switch at the time. Yes, that was your 1:49:10.640 --> 1:49:13.080 Pokemon era and that was my talking about Bill Ni 1:49:13.120 --> 1:49:17.200 playing Pokemon era. So that paired pretty nicely. Well, we're 1:49:17.240 --> 1:49:20.840 Bill Ni jumping down the steps in that amazing moment 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:23.720 in the movie Emma twenty twenty. Yes, and with that 1:49:23.880 --> 1:49:26.799 we fare thee well bye bye.