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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: And Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always by our.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: Part of me feels like they just want to put

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Speaker 2: what happens. Like, sorry, I don't swear. We we can't swear,

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Speaker 2: but we That wasn't like a swear. That was That

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Speaker 1: I got in trouble for saying that when I was

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Parent? That's soft. My parents are strict. That's soft. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 2: it's Evan Lazarre, It's Alex Bart. Patriots Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Uh with you here for the next couple of hours

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Speaker 2: talking Patriots. I feel like I haven't talked at all

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Speaker 2: about the San Francisco forty niners, which you know is

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Speaker 2: incredibly disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, because you don't have to talk about that

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Speaker 1: game from last week.

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Speaker 2: We still have to talk about the game from last week.

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Speaker 2: But I haven't really said one thing about Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 2: and his forty nine ers, which you know, are basically

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Speaker 2: my second team at this point.

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Speaker 1: I honestly haven't said much about them this week either, which,

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Speaker 1: as you know, is a topic that I enjoy talking

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Speaker 1: about for different reasons.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get to that at some point today. But

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Speaker 2: we have some stuff to talk about from last week,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get to that as well. I know, it's

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Speaker 2: been a week. It's kind of weird to go all

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Speaker 2: the way back to last Thursday night, but it's our

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Speaker 2: first show since that game, and there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about from that game and stuff that I've said

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Speaker 2: on on the X Machine that got me into, you know,

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Speaker 2: poked the beehive a little bit. But we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: here's where I wanted to start. I don't I don't

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Speaker 2: want to make this two hours of me screaming into

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Speaker 2: a void to start Drake May. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: make it that. So I'm gonna try my best not

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try my best not to make it that.

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I look at with this Patriots

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Speaker 2: general feeling of disappointment. I would say not in the

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Speaker 2: fact that they're not three and ohero in Super Bowl contenders.

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Speaker 2: We all are realistic about where they are right now,

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Speaker 2: but I look at where they are offensively, and my

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Speaker 2: frustrations with them offensively have morphed a little bit beyond

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Speaker 2: just blaming everything on the offensive line. The offensive line

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Speaker 2: is bad. We know the offensive line is an issue.

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Speaker 2: They are deficient personnel wise on the offensive line. Alex,

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Speaker 2: you and I have been out at practice the last

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Speaker 2: couple of days in the short time frame that they

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Speaker 2: allow us to watch practice, and it looks like Trey

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Speaker 2: nine ers. It's not a good situation. No period, full stop,

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Speaker 2: not a good situation. With that being said, coordinators quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: a high level can find ways to be productive offensively

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Speaker 2: around deficiencies. Whether it's a lack of weapons, it's a

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Speaker 2: lack of offensive line, it's a lack of you know,

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Speaker 2: there's injuries all over the place. And I'll give you

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Speaker 2: one example. I was watching a lot of the Rams

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Speaker 2: tape last week against the forty nine ers. Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 2: we both kind of liked in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I see where you're going with it. Go ahead,

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Speaker 2: It's it's really that simple. And I'm not asking them

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Speaker 2: to be the seven Patriots, right, but you can't have

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Speaker 1: So on the personnel thing, we're if I'm understanding you right,

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Speaker 1: basically saying, oh, they have all these injuries, they can't

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Speaker 2: And it's not it's not even injuries like they weren't

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Speaker 1: Well Well, so that that's more my point to two

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Speaker 2: Too too, are too too at Well and Jordan Walling.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off, but are to two at

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Speaker 2: Well and Jordan and Whittington NFL players anymore than to

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying compared to like Tray Jacobs and right.

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Speaker 2: But they're not playing the same position right like I

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Speaker 1: I thought you were just saying that, you like, there

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Speaker 1: figuring out ways to do things offensively. I am in reference, Okay,

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Speaker 1: But I would say the problem isn't the Patriots receivers

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Speaker 1: I guess Cayden Wallace would be their Jordan Whittington equivalent,

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Speaker 1: but they're putting him out of a position. I would relate

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Speaker 2: But the point being like.

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Speaker 1: and how many times did I say this, It's not

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Speaker 2: You don't root for it.

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Speaker 1: But it's incredibly unrealistic to expect the same starting five

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Speaker 2: That's their job.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're wrong, but to me, it's more

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Speaker 2: They're four weeks in.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the depth's been tested that much, and

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Speaker 2: We're both right. We're both right because from a big

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Speaker 2: the finger at Elliott Wolf as you're totally justified to do.

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Speaker 2: But the point being is is that when I look

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Speaker 2: van Pelt that they're not going to average thirty points

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Speaker 2: It needs to be better than it has been.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not fully saying the coaches are off the hook,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think some of it relates to, like

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Speaker 1: that team was not ready to play against the New

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Speaker 2: I don't feel it's that different. But we don't have

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Speaker 1: But where that's where you're gonna hear me say this

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Speaker 1: not gonna be good this year because they don't have

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Speaker 1: go to the coaching. It's not gonna be good, but

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Speaker 1: but it can be better. And now it's on the

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Speaker 1: as guys get healthy. That to me is where it

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Speaker 1: becomes more about the coaching staff to maximize the group

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Speaker 2: If you can only be maximized so much. So I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about Van Pelt, and I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about to Kobe and the quarterback separately and bring

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Speaker 2: this all together. So with Van Pelt, my biggest gripes

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get there. He has thirty to thirty five

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Speaker 2: Those things don't marry up together. If you're gonna run

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Speaker 1: Do you think they see it that way?

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Speaker 1: there's no way I can have those two things go

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Speaker 2: I need the quarterback to make that throw. He's got

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Speaker 2: many instances on film. Well, first of all, the biggest

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Speaker 2: throw it before Henry gets out of the break. He

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Speaker 2: wants to be one hundred percent confirmed this is open.

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Speaker 2: A lot of those throws into the sideline, whether it's

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Speaker 2: like a free axis hitch or slant or comeback or

437
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Speaker 2: something along those lines, is just a trust throw by

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Speaker 2: the quarterback. The receiver's going to break the right way,

439
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Speaker 2: the DB's off, the DB's giving the leverage away. I'm

440
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Speaker 2: just gonna throw this ball. Those are anticipatory throws. You

441
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Speaker 2: can't in the league. You can't just hold the ball

442
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Speaker 2: and then throw it when it's open, because then now

443
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Speaker 2: it's too late. Now the cornerback's breaking on the football,

444
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Speaker 2: So he doesn't throw the ball at a Hunter Henry.

445
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Speaker 2: He passes that open read up and then he comes

446
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Speaker 2: back to the middle of the field for his second read.

447
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Speaker 2: But now Caden Wallace at left tackle is later in

448
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Speaker 2: the down, so now he's on skates at left tackle.

449
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Speaker 2: Here comes the flag holding offense. Seventy hour and third

450
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Speaker 2: and fourteen. If Jacoby bris said had just released the

451
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Speaker 2: ball to Hunter Henry when he was supposed to on

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Speaker 2: the first read of the progression, then Kenan Wallace never

453
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Speaker 2: holts right, the flag comes like two beats the after

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Speaker 2: the throw. So those are the types of things I'm

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Speaker 2: seeing with Perssett on film. He's got to get the

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Speaker 2: offense in and out of of the plays at the

457
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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. That's number one to me. But number

458
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Speaker 2: two is just some of these reads and these layup

459
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Speaker 2: type of opportunities. They have to hit those because they're

460
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Speaker 2: not going to get them very often. So if he's

461
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Speaker 2: not doing that, if he's not truly managing the game,

462
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Speaker 2: then I'm running out of reasons for him to be playing.

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Speaker 1: It is so and it felt like he was doing

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Speaker 1: that stuff better earlier in the season, Like I feel

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Speaker 1: like he's back in terms of the hitting, the layups

466
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Speaker 1: and things like that, like he astly did against Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: At this point it's about why he is, why why

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Speaker 1: they do want to play him. I think it's about

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Speaker 1: why they don't want to play Drake May. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean right, I think that's what it's about. At I

472
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Speaker 1: don't think Jacoby Brissett is showing you anything that you're like,

473
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Speaker 1: this is the guy we need in the lineup. It's

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Speaker 1: just we can get into the reasons we think, but

475
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason or reasons, it's we don't want to

476
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Speaker 1: start Trak May yet. Yeah, I think that's that's the

477
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Speaker 1: difference right now. I agree with a lot of what

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Speaker 1: you said about Jacoby Brissett. I just think from their

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Speaker 1: point of view, and honestly, partially for mine, that's not

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Speaker 1: the point.

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Speaker 2: And I've said this before.

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Speaker 1: I mean no disrespect to Jacoby Brissett, but he's thirty

483
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Speaker 1: one years old, he's on a one year contract, and

484
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Speaker 1: they just took a kid third. Overall, I know who

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Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett is as a quarterback. Everybody knows who Jacoby

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Speaker 1: Brissett is as a quarterback. He's been the same guy

487
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Speaker 1: for most of his career in the NFL. I do

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Speaker 1: think he's a little underrated, but this is kind of

489
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Speaker 1: what he is. He's gonna more or less get your

490
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Speaker 1: offense through a sixty minute game and it's not gonna

491
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Speaker 1: look horrific. But there's not gonna be too many high points,

492
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Speaker 1: like true high points either. I that we're breaking down

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Speaker 1: why that is. I get why we're doing it, but

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Speaker 1: it's also like, okay, and what like what's the end goal?

495
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Speaker 1: Is the goal to fix Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 2: No, but I would say that the goal, the goal

497
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Speaker 2: to me is to is to start laying a foundation

498
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Speaker 2: of an offense. What this offense is going to look

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Speaker 2: like more importantly around the quarterback, no I than the

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Speaker 2: quarterback himself.

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Speaker 1: I think they can kind of do that. And this

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Speaker 1: is where we disagree. I go back to when you're

503
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Speaker 1: facing a near fifty percent pressure rate.

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Speaker 2: But why are they facing a near fifty percent pressure rate?

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Speaker 2: I don't think that. The reason why is just because

506
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Speaker 2: the offensive linding is. That's a large part of it.

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Speaker 2: When you get into a game against the Jets and

508
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Speaker 2: you get behind like they did against the Jets, and

509
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Speaker 2: the Jets come out with a good plan, Like give

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Speaker 2: Robert Saliz some credit. They blitzed a little bit in

511
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Speaker 2: this game when the Patriots weren't expecting that. Go look

512
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Speaker 2: at any game across the NFL. When a team gets

513
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Speaker 2: down by two scores and they become one dimensional, the

514
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Speaker 2: pressure right is going to go through the roof. I'm

515
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Speaker 2: not telling you that they would have blocked the Jets

516
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Speaker 2: awesome if it was a close game.

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Speaker 1: But this is this is where I go back to, like, well,

518
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Speaker 1: but it was a close game against Cincinnati. It was

519
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Speaker 1: a close game against Seattle, and it was still they

520
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Speaker 1: were I forget which is which, but they were first

521
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Speaker 1: and second worst in in past in pressure rate each

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Speaker 1: of those two games in the league. One week they

523
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Speaker 1: were first, one week they were second. Again, I forget

524
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Speaker 1: which ones which, but the point still stands, close games

525
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Speaker 1: against lesser rushing teams are still not blocking anybody. That

526
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Speaker 1: Jets game inflates the number a little bit because the

527
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Speaker 1: Jets are still so good. It honestly reminded me a

528
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Speaker 1: bit of the Eagles practice and what we said after that.

529
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Speaker 1: Remember how shocked people were after the Eagles practice. It's

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Speaker 1: not that that's going to be every game, but it's

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Speaker 1: that that's where the floor is. Is more so what's

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Speaker 1: shocking That is the floor and that goes beyond quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: It just does.

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Speaker 1: And they don't have an ability to execute a lot

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Speaker 1: of what they want to execute because the line is

536
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Speaker 1: where it is. I think some of the things you

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Speaker 1: want to see them do, Evan, just regardless of who

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Speaker 1: the quarterback is, even if it's into the right look,

539
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Speaker 1: aren't feasible. There's times that they're leaving six guys in

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Speaker 1: to protect against a four man rush and they're still

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Speaker 1: getting through an under two seconds. That kind of that's

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Speaker 1: going to be an issue no matter what you're calling.

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Speaker 2: I just think that they can call it better.

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Speaker 1: And I think they can call it better and maybe

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Speaker 1: instead of being at I think they're at like forty

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Speaker 1: six percent right now.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has a different rate.

548
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Speaker 1: I've been using next Gen stats just because that new

549
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Speaker 1: NFL Pro setup is awesome and I enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: That's surprising, honestly, why, because it's just very nerdy. They're

551
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Speaker 2: not usually into the numbers. I'm just I'm surprised.

552
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Speaker 1: Okay, we do this all time. I'm into the tangible numbers.

553
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Speaker 1: There's there's two here to just give me the advance.

554
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Speaker 2: If you haven't know how to work it, I'm surprised,

555
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Speaker 2: Like you know, an old man over here. I thought

556
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Speaker 2: maybe i'd have to show you, like a tutorial or something.

557
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Speaker 2: How am I the old man?

558
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Speaker 1: It's it's a much better user interface. That's why I

559
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Speaker 1: like it. It is very easy to use. Forty seven point

560
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Speaker 1: six percent. If they call it better, they at forty

561
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Speaker 1: four forty five, maybe.

562
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Speaker 2: I would say lower if they had get forty is

563
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Speaker 2: it really I don't know. We're working and hypothetically, but.

564
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Speaker 1: I just think I don't think calling it better at

565
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Jimmy's and Joe's right, and

566
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Speaker 1: I just don't think they they have the personnel to

567
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Speaker 1: block some of the fronts they're going to see.

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Speaker 2: I just if it was me, I would just because

569
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Speaker 2: it's our show, I will just tell you I would

570
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Speaker 2: like to see them do more. From the play calling standpoint,

571
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Speaker 2: you mentioned that they have plays in there where they

572
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Speaker 2: have five, you know, six guys into block. Yeah, they're

573
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Speaker 2: doing a lot of like chip and release with their

574
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Speaker 2: tight ends. I would like to see a lot more.

575
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Speaker 2: Let's have everybody into block and let's just send two

576
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Speaker 2: guys into the route. And the other teams do this

577
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Speaker 2: all the time, you know, and I'm not saying they

578
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Speaker 2: can't do that. Let's get seven guys in there with

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Speaker 2: the back also kind of as a last you know,

580
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Speaker 2: line of defense off of play action or probably something

581
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Speaker 2: like that. When you want to push the ball down

582
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Speaker 2: the field, this should be max protection. This shouldn't be

583
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Speaker 2: six guys, it should be eight. Good.

584
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Speaker 1: But to go back to your point, which was they

585
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Speaker 1: need to start developing what their offense is going to

586
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Speaker 1: be around the quarterback. Is that going to be a

587
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Speaker 1: staple of their offense or is that something that they

588
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Speaker 1: have to do right now because of the personnel they have.

589
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Speaker 1: And I'm less concerned of who the quarterback is. Yeah,

590
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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm less concerned about the scheme element of getting their

592
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Speaker 2: offense off the ground. I'm more concerned. We talk so

593
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Speaker 2: much about Drake May's confidence and Drake May seeing some

594
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Speaker 2: shots go through and things like that. What about Jaylen Polk,

595
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Speaker 2: Like what about Caden Wallace? What about Leyden Robinson? Like

596
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: those guys. I just feel like people don't think those

597
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: guys matter. Like, if they're gonna get this plane off

598
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Speaker 2: the ground, then those guys are gonna be a big

599
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Speaker 2: part of what Javon Baker I'll throw his name in

600
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Speaker 2: there as well. You know, if they're going to truly

601
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Speaker 2: be a viable offense once Drake May is ready and

602
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Speaker 2: they get in there, those guys need to make some plays.

603
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Speaker 2: Like we don't know And from an La Wolf perspective,

604
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Speaker 2: sure we don't know what Jalen Polk is because he

605
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: doesn't get the ball.

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Speaker 1: I believe with that, And this is where I think

607
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Speaker 1: if you're those guys, you're coaching those guys, it has

608
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: to very much be about individual progress. Like it probably

609
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Speaker 1: would help Jalen Polk's confidence if he got to Baltimore.

610
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Speaker 1: But he's getting open, like he's running good routes, he's

611
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: not doing.

612
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Speaker 2: His part, he has gotten open some no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I would even say the same for guy. And we

614
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: know Pop Douglas was discouraged the other week and they

615
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: got in the ball more and that was good. But like,

616
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Speaker 1: I almost feel like the message has to be, you know,

617
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Speaker 1: you're doing the right thing. And as much as the sucks,

618
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Speaker 1: I know people are gonna roll their eyes to this,

619
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Speaker 1: but it's almost like you're doing the right thing. You've

620
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Speaker 1: got to give us a little bit of time to

621
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Speaker 1: catch up to you, and that's where you're gonna roll

622
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Speaker 1: your eyes and say, well, Wooden. Drake may help with that,

623
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Speaker 1: maybe to an extent, but with where the offensive line's

624
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Speaker 1: at again, I only think it's gonna help to a ceiling.

625
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Speaker 1: And the reality is, if Drake May gets hurt or

626
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: starts developing bad habits, then it doesn't help catch anybody

627
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: up because now Drake May's in trouble.

628
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so just I don't want to belabor this,

629
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Speaker 2: but just two things I want to just point out

630
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Speaker 2: with that we can watch on film, you and I

631
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Speaker 2: or anybody can watch on film and say, oh, Jaylen

632
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Polk wins on that route, he wins on that route,

633
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Speaker 2: he wins on nar rowt I would I would just

634
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Speaker 2: say this as a general not even about Jalen Polk.

635
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Speaker 2: If you guys that are listening to the show, If

636
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Speaker 2: you guys do go watch the All twenty two and

637
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: try to break these things down. I would just the

638
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: one piece of advice I would give you is make

639
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Speaker 2: sure you're a cognizant of where he is in the progression,

640
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: because oftentimes he might look open, but he's actually on

641
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: the back side of the read and the corner knows

642
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: that the quarterback's not looking in that direction. Or the

643
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Speaker 2: safety in the middle of the field. Who's helping, you know,

644
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: the cornerbacks and help in a post safety coverage. You know,

645
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: a single high safety over the top. If Jalen Polk's

646
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Speaker 2: running a go route on the left hand side of

647
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Speaker 2: the field, but Jacobe's eyes are on the right side

648
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Speaker 2: of the field, and the safety is gonna gravitate towards

649
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Speaker 2: his eyes. So even though he he looks open, if

650
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: it was going to him, he might not be as open, right,

651
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: And that's not a Polk thing, that's just a general.

652
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: Well that's where you want a quarterback who's able to

653
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: kind of flip that and go to the backside.

654
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, that just really quickly.

655
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: But even within that, like you agree, he's been getting open.

656
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he has got up sometimes. The thing to

657
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: me though with Polk and I know that you're gonna

658
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: tell me that, well, we know he has good hands

659
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: from the you know, draft film and all that, but

660
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: what does he do with the catch point? That's a

661
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: big element of playing receiver in this league. There's not

662
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: a whole lot of wide open catches in the NFL.

663
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna be catching in traffic. You're gonna be catching

664
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: with a man coverage defender draped all over you. Like

665
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: the throw that everybody's going crazy about with Jaden Daniels,

666
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: Dax Hill is like all over Terry McLaurin on that play.

667
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin finishes through contact to make that catch. What

668
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: does Jalen Polk do in those scenarios? What does Jalen

669
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 2: Pulk do after the catch with the football in his hand.

670
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: It's like, does he have a yak gear in the

671
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 2: open field? Is he gonna bring anything in that element

672
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: of the game. These things are all going to decide

673
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: what is Jalen Polk steiling as a player in the league.

674
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: I hate to use these phrases because I don't think

675
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: it's necessarily how the people in the league actually look

676
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: at it. That's how we look at it. We all

677
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: believe the Patriots need a wide receiver one, right, a

678
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: number one alpha wide receiver? Is Jalen Polk a wide receiver? Two?

679
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: Is Pop Douglas a wide receiver? Three? Like, is that

680
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: a viable top three? Let's just play it hypotheticals again.

681
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: Is T Higgins Jalen Polk Pop Douglas an actual receiving core?

682
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: Not this is the best we got, but an actual

683
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: receiving core on a good NFL offense. Until I see

684
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: what Jalen Polk is made of in the league by

685
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: throwing the ball successfully to him, I don't know that answer.

686
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: If I'm Elliott w and that more importantly than this season,

687
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: that makes next offseason more complicated because now I'm still

688
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: asking questions about players on my roster, Caden Wallace, is

689
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: he a serviceable NFL tackle? Is he gonna be able

690
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: to be a right tackle of the future for this

691
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: team if they have these issues with play calling and

692
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: quarterback play and all this type of stuff, I might

693
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: not know the answer to that at the end of

694
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: the season. More importantly than wins, losses anything like that,

695
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 2: this season is answering questions about the players that are

696
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: already on your roster.

697
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: Well, if you're gonna do that, you've got to get

698
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: players playing in the right position. So that to me

699
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: is like Kane Wallason right, They need to get Kane

700
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Waalson right to evaluate him right tackle whatever it looks like.

701
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: They got to get Jalen Polk on the field to

702
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: evaluate him in all of that. So I do agree

703
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: with you on that, and again it goes back to

704
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: the play calling.

705
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: But again.

706
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't Jacoby Versett doesn't change that much or shouldn't change, Like,

707
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: you should be able to play Kane wallasont right tackle,

708
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: regardless of who's a quarterback. If you're not, that's on

709
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: that's because you don't. You didn't have the right personnel

710
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: going into the season, and you suddenly have to panic

711
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: move them.

712
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: If you put Kaden Wallace at right tackle and then

713
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: I promise I'll let this go, but it's obviously irking me.

714
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: If you play Caden Wallace at right tackle and as

715
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: a rookie, you leave him on an island against Nick

716
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: Bosa and the quarterback decides to hold the ball for

717
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: three point five seconds in the pocket and he gives

718
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: up a sack. What are we really learning about Caden Wallas.

719
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: Well, you see how he competes up to that point,

720
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: like you're not expecting him to win for three point five.

721
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: I think you have to just go, okay, let's go

722
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: it for what it is. Well, let's call it three.

723
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: I would also say, you'd hope the quarterback, the veteran

724
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: quarterback would understand that you would there's a rookie right tackle.

725
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: IM I know, but I would. I just don't. He

726
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: doesn't like. That's the thing. So just to move on

727
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: because I know I'm belaboring it the way that I

728
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: look at the Drake May of all of this, because

729
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: I know that I've already said my piece about this

730
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: on Tuesday with Drake May, that I would start. I

731
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: didn't say this week, okay, I said, nah, you've kind

732
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: of said this week. No, I did not say this week.

733
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: I said specifically week five at the earliest against Miami.

734
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: Next week, against whatever quarterback the Dolphins are gonna throw.

735
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: And I know he's not playing the quarterback, but you

736
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: understand my play whatever quarterback the Dolphins throw out against

737
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots next week at home here in Jillette Stadium.

738
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: I like that landing spot for Drake May. The elements

739
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: with Drake May that I wanted to bring up number one.

740
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 2: I really feel like we all have to mentally prepare

741
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: ourselves for the style of quarterback that Drake May is.

742
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: Drake May is not going right away to be a

743
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: precision pocket passer. He's not gonna have perfect footwork. He's

744
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: not gonna throw on time to every single first read.

745
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be a step ahead of defenses. Like

746
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: if Drake was making some of the mistakes that Jacoby

747
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: Brissette was making, I'd say, oh, rookie quarterback, like that's

748
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: gonna happen. He's not gonna see every blitz, He's not

749
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: gonna read every coverage perfectly. That's the frustrating part to

750
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: me with Jacob Rissette's like it's your nine, dude, and

751
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: where we're still doing these things with Drake May. We

752
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: have to prepare for the fact that this is early

753
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: career Josh Allen. This is not early career Tom Brady

754
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: right where like he's he that's how he's going to win.

755
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: So on certain plays like I know the fourth down

756
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: play I sent it to you last night where he

757
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: scrambles for a first down in the game, you could

758
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: make a case that he should have thrown that ball

759
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: to Hunter Henry in the first window on a first

760
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: window slant. That ain't Drake May's game. If that's the

761
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: guy that you wanted that he was pre snap, he

762
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: was going to recognize that Hunter Henry had to off

763
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: coverage and had the matchup, and then he was gonna

764
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: throw it right out of his release to get him

765
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: the football. If that's the guy that you wanted to draft,

766
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: then you drafted the wrong guy. Like that's more like

767
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks to be honest with you, like you know

768
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: you drafted the wrong guy. What Drake May is going

769
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: to do is he's gonna pick up the first down.

770
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: When they leave the the edge uncovered and they give

771
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: him the corner, he's gonna run for the first down.

772
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: That's what Drake May is gonna do. So we all

773
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: have to adjust because I feel like we've even though

774
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: it didn't work out with Mac, it's still Mac is

775
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: still in that pocket passer mold. He's still in that

776
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: more towards that Brady side than the Josh Allen side.

777
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: We have to prepare ourselves for the fact that this

778
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: is a playground quarterback, Like this is a different style

779
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: of QB. I know, the Allen stuff. Uh, that drives

780
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: you nuts. It We're gonna see that what Drake May.

781
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: It drives me nuts when when somebody leads the league

782
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: turnovers and is hailed as you know, arguably the best

783
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: of his position. That that's what bugs me. It's not

784
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: worth style itself. It's just recognizing what it is. If

785
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: Drake May him play it and not lead the league

786
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: in turnovers, great, it would be awesome. I know there's

787
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: gonna be turnovers early in his career. I'm not expecting

788
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: him to figure it all out right away. I think

789
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. But like you said, not throwing the ball

790
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: to Hunter Henry and taking off and running instead. How

791
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: many times at least early in his career did Josh

792
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: Allen try to force that throw and get picked because

793
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the accuracy to make it.

794
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: It's possible And to.

795
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: Your point, I think that's a growing moment for Drake

796
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: May where he realizes that's not a throw he can

797
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: make and takes off and runs instead because he finds

798
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: the opening that's encouraging. It is a completely different style

799
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: of quarterbacking, and I'm with you on that the Patriots

800
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: fans are not used to and there is gonna.

801
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: Be And I'm not like finger wagging. I am finger

802
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: wagging a little bit at some of the draft analysis

803
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: of Drake May because I think this is to me,

804
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: this is where the draft analysis missed the mark with

805
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: Drake May the most because they, you know, people like JT. O.

806
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Sullivan and Dan Orlovski watch his footwork and are like

807
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: this is a mess, Like this is not functional. But

808
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: Drake May is also just not that kind of quarterback.

809
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: Like he's not gonna have perfect footwork, right, He's not

810
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: going to make perfect reads. What he's going to do

811
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: is he's gonna throw some beauties down the field, Like

812
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: he's gonna have some perfect passes down the field, and

813
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: his unc tape is a lot of peaks and valleys.

814
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: It's a lot, it's a roller coaster. But what you hope,

815
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: just like what happened eventually with Josh Allen, is you

816
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: hope that the highlights outweigh the low lights by so

817
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: much that it ends up evening itself out right or

818
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: even being a net positive with Gonna go down that.

819
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert Path gets real talent around him and it

820
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do as much of the heavy lifting

821
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: on his own.

822
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really fine point too, the way I

823
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: would like them to go. So that that's one thing

824
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: with Drake May. The other thing with Drake May is

825
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: why I I think he's their best chance to win

826
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: football games right now, not not even just because I

827
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: want him to play because it's my best interest or

828
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: because it's the most exciting or any of those types

829
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: of things. I think it's a little bit of that,

830
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: But for me personally, yeah, it's a little bit of that,

831
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: but in their best interest. The style of play that

832
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: they can play with Drake May, a lot of the

833
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: play calling elements that we're talking about with the quarterback

834
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: and with the play caller, they can do a lot

835
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: of things with Drake May that they simply cannot do

836
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: with Jakobe Wesset from the shotgun. And if I'm Alex

837
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: van Pell and I'm Ben McAdoo, I think has a

838
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: big hand in sort of the schematic direction of the offense.

839
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: And Van Pelt said it today. If a quarterback's a

840
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: run and shoot quarterback, we're gonna run the run and

841
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: shoot right. So Drake May is a gun quarterback, I

842
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: would put him in the shotgun. My early down offense

843
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: would be gun run, read option, RPO, quick game, all

844
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: these types of elements. Guess what that does for the

845
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: offensive line. That makes life easier on the offensive line.

846
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: If the quarterback is a factor in the run game,

847
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: now the offense has an advantage in the blocking game, right,

848
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: like they have a plus one in the blocking game.

849
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: It makes it easier for the offensive line. Quick game

850
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: in RPO are ways to move the football on first

851
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: and second down that are easier for the offensive line.

852
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: If he throws a bubble out to Pop Douglas on

853
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 2: an RPO, the offensive line doesn't even need to block anybody, right,

854
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: they don't even need to worry about it. So I'm RPO,

855
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm quick game I'm gun run and gun action. Obviously

856
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: off the gun run, and then on third down you

857
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: do what you did in the game on Thursday night

858
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: when he got in there, You put him in the shotgun.

859
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 2: You run some layered in breaking routes over the middle

860
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: of the field. If you get man to man coverage

861
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: and everybody's covered, guess what, you have a six foot

862
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: four to two hundred and twenty five pound guy that

863
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: can get outside the pocket and move. So that their

864
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: whole offense right now is predicated on all these under center,

865
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: seven step drop bootleg actions, like all these delayed type

866
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: of offense that is taking a while to get these

867
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: plays off, and I just feel like the play calling

868
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: can be morphed and changed to better suit not just

869
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: the quarterback with Drake, but also with the supporting casts.

870
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: Like the line is gonna have a much easier job

871
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: blocking these types of concepts than they would blocking a

872
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: seven step drop from under center for Jacoby Brissett. So

873
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: in some ways, it's about Drake may getting out there.

874
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: It's selfish. In some ways, I also believe that it

875
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: would really benefit the rest of the offense in the

876
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: supporting cast to have him out there, so I think

877
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my wish, So I'm not gonna go

878
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: all crazy about it, because it sounds like we're building

879
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 2: up towards that based off of everything that we're hearing.

880
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: Very complimentary from the coaching staff last couple of days.

881
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: And I'll say to that, the big takeaway is Van

882
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: Pelt saying today he makes a point of tailoring the

883
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: offense to the quarterbacking out the other way around. So

884
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: the people who I've seen some people say like what

885
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: they're running with Burssett right now is what they're gonna

886
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: run with May, I wouldn't expect that to be the case.

887
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: No, And I also I wouldn't expect that to be

888
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: the case because Number One, in the preseason and in

889
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: the twelve snaps or twelve dropbacks, I should say that

890
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: he had in the game on Thursday night, he was

891
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: barely under center in both instances, like he had I

892
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: want to say a handful of under center plays in

893
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: the preseason, like it was very low number. And then

894
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 2: and the other night, granted they're down and maybe they're

895
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: still kind of in like a four minute hurry up

896
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: type of offense, but he wasn't under center at all.

897
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,479
Speaker 2: Every single drop back he took was from the gun,

898
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: So I don't think they plan on pigeonholing him into

899
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: being an under center quarterback. With that said, I'm not

900
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: with everybody quite. I think it's we're going a little

901
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: overboard with it. I don't think it's a totally terrible

902
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: fit for Drake May's skill set. A lot of the

903
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: downfield route combinations that they run off their under center

904
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: looks off play action. He was running a lot of

905
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: that stuff at North Carolina, just out of the pistol, right,

906
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: and but they were running a lot of those like

907
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: let's flood the sideline and he's gonna throw off the corner,

908
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: big posts, you know, crossing routes like they were running

909
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: a lot of those types of things at North Carolina.

910
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: So I don't necessarily agree that it's a it's an

911
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: awful fit for what Drake made.

912
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: I think as long as Van Pelt is willing to

913
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: good on that, he's not gonna shoehorn him into some

914
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: of the more concrete stuff we know Van Pelt wants

915
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: to do, but just isn't a fit.

916
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: I think that's fine. Yeah, all right, I got all

917
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: everything off my chest. I think because I just when

918
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: we don't have a show, when they play on Thursday

919
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: night and then we don't have a show to do

920
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: until Thursday. There's a lot of stuff that's been on

921
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: my mind, but I think I'm gonna get my wish,

922
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna scream and yell today about playing

923
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: Drake may I just I love Jacoby. He's been a

924
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: really great guy to cover. You can tell he's a

925
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: great teammate, he's a good person, he's a great dude,

926
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: all these types of things. But we're getting to the

927
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: point if they play like they did last Thursday night

928
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: on Sunday in San Francisco, which is very possible, then

929
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: we're getting to the point where it's just it's not

930
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: good enough. It's not NFL caliber.

931
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm ready that once they have a

932
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: representative offensive line, I'm ready to start having the conversation

933
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: about making the change. This is I've been consistent on this.

934
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: I've said this since the spring. Right find the best

935
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: five and then make the change. I think we know

936
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: what the best five is at this point. It may

937
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: be by default just because this five hasn't played together,

938
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: but just looking at all the other options they've tried

939
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: and might also be the only five where they get

940
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: everybody in their true position left to right. Vanderian Lowe

941
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: honestly at left guard. Whether it's City so, Michael Jordan,

942
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: Laden Robinson, you can have those guys. You could still

943
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of be mixing it up there, and I think

944
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: be good, be ready for Drake May. Your best answer

945
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: is probably City. So, but Michael Jordan has not been bad.

946
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: No, I's been uncovered a lot like he hasn't had

947
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: as many pass rushers line up over him for whatever

948
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: and just the way they're friends or have been a line.

949
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: But he's probably been their most steady guy.

950
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: So Vaderian Lowell left tackle, called City So, Michael Jordan

951
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: left guard. Whoever, David Andrews at center, Mike go and

952
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: went who.

953
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: At right guard?

954
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: You can take your victory lap on this one if

955
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: you want, but I think it's clear at this point

956
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: he is a guard. And then Kane Wallace at right tackle.

957
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: You have everybody playing in position, you get, for the

958
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: most part, your best line and all on the field together.

959
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: If you can put that line out there, I'm honestly

960
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: at the point where I don't even need to see it. First,

961
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: I kind of just trust that group again, mostly because

962
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm putting that group in by default, and there's nobody

963
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: I even wonder, outside of maybe figuring out a left

964
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: tackle what you want to do. Once you can put

965
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: that group on the field, I'm ready to say, Okay,

966
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: let's do the thing. Let's put the kid in. Once

967
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: you can put that group on the field. If it's

968
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: Dementrey Jacobs at left tackle, who just does not approve

969
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: an NFL player, if it's Kaden Wallace at left tackle

970
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: who's playing out of position. If it's Mike going Winnowitt

971
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: right tackle who's playing out of position. If it's Leyden

972
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Robinson in there, who has really struggled as a pass

973
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: protector through three games. I do worry about developing bad habits.

974
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: I worry about a long term injury, which is the

975
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, because then he Drake may lose a

976
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: whole year of development and people.

977
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: Say, oh, he's a quarterback. He's gonna get hit, He's

978
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: gonna face pressure. He has to learn how to deal

979
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: with it.

980
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: Yes, to an extent, he's gonna have to learn how

981
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: to deal with that, and he will need to learn

982
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: how to face it. But where they're at right now

983
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: with this group is not the risk is higher than

984
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: it realistically needs to be. I would compare it to

985
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, learning how to drive. We all learned how

986
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: to drive because when of our parents took us to

987
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: an empty parking lot somewhere on a Saturday, right you

988
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: drove around at fifteen miles an hour. Right now, Drake

989
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: May going in and learning how to handle pressure and

990
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: taking hits in the NFL. And this environment, to me,

991
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: would be like learning how to drive by racing the

992
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: Daytona five hundred. It's just it does it. You don't

993
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: need to do that. It doesn't need to be that extreme. Yes,

994
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna need to learn it. Yes, there will be

995
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: some risk at some point, and you just have to

996
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: take the risk. And that's part of it. And you

997
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: hope that you drafted a guy who's good enough that

998
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: he com mitigates some of that. Right now, you're just

999
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: asking him more than you realistically should need to ask

1000
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: him to do. And that is the one thing holding

1001
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: me back from saying put Drake May in right now.

1002
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: But again, once you get a representative doesn't have to

1003
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: be good. I'm not saying the line has to be perfect.

1004
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying it has to be good, it

1005
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: just has to be better. Once you get a better

1006
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: representative offensive line, then I think it's time to make

1007
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: the change in that. I don't think it's gonna happen

1008
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: this week, just based off what we're seeing in practice.

1009
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: If Venerian Loan and Ken Walls are going to go

1010
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: Week five against Miami, let's have the conversation.

1011
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: I'm ready for it. Yeah, I hear you about the

1012
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: offensive line. I don't know if they're going to be

1013
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: in a position for everybody to be in their quote

1014
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: unquote natural spots like Ken Wallace might have to play

1015
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: left tackle this year. That just might That might be

1016
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: this week.

1017
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: I'm fine with Darian Lowell left tackle. You think Verdarian Low'

1018
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: is gonna miss the season?

1019
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: No, I well, he's gonna be out this week, I think,

1020
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: But I think this week. But could he be back

1021
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: against Miami. It's possible. Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

1022
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: For me, I'm with you, like I don't want to

1023
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: throw him out there behind Trey Jacobs and Zach Thomas

1024
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: on the left side a lot either. That's what they

1025
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: did at the end of the game. On Thursday night,

1026
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: the Jets had called off the dogs for.

1027
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: All at that point, whatever, I'm not against if they're

1028
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: down twenty five to the Niners, because the team's not

1029
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, Boss will be out of the game. They're

1030
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: not hinting their ears back there in prevatt. I'm talking

1031
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: about a full sixty minutes behind that unit with it

1032
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: against the defense that is going to blitz the crap

1033
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: out of you.

1034
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: If I had more faith in the in the play calling,

1035
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: in the coordinating on offense, where they were gonna put

1036
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: him into the game and they were going to really

1037
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: script it to the point where some of the things

1038
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: I was talking about just a few minutes ago, with

1039
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: some of the concepts that they could run with him

1040
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: to get the ball out of his hands. If they

1041
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: were gonna do those types of things, and I felt

1042
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: confident in them designing it and calling it, then I

1043
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: would feel I'm at one hundred percent. Let's play Drake

1044
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: May I'd be had one hundred and ten percent if

1045
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: I really had a ton of confidence in the coordinator.

1046
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that's like holding me back a

1047
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: little bit is that if they're gonna put him in there,

1048
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: they have to put him in there, and then they

1049
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: have to manage the situation. I'm not talking about putting

1050
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: training wheels on Drake necessarily. I'm more about talk about

1051
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: putting training wheels on the offensive line, right, and like

1052
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: making it as easy as possible for the offensive line

1053
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: to block people so that he doesn't get killed. To

1054
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: your point, right, if they had a little bit more

1055
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: faith in that, If I had a little bit more

1056
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: faith I should say in that, then I would be

1057
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: all gung ho about this. That does give me a

1058
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: little bit of pause that right now, the combination of

1059
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: things is not working right, And that's sort of what

1060
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: I'm getting at. The quarterback, the play caller, the deficiencies

1061
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: they have on the offensive line. The combination of those

1062
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: three things doesn't fit together. And there's one thing that

1063
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: can actually change, the line in the play caller is

1064
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: not changing. Vampelt's going to be the coordinator and the

1065
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: line's going to be the line. There's just one person

1066
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: that can change, and that's the.

1067
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: Quarter But the line's not gonna be the line because

1068
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna get guys back.

1069
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna get I hope, yeah, I hope.

1070
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: So they're gonna get some of these the fact that

1071
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: low and walls are out there even if they're not

1072
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: fully participating, like those are short term injuries. Those are

1073
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 1: not guys who are dealing with long term injuries.

1074
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: I hope. So yeah, I agree with you. I agree

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Speaker 2: England Patriots. Let's go to the phones. Thank you all

1092
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Speaker 2: for waiting. I appreciate it. Patty is an ago on

1093
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: what's up?

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00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 4: Patty good after Agen? Hey, So got a bold prediction

1095
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 4: for you, and then I got a question for you.

1096
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: So I Brooke. Last week Evan had the prediction that

1097
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 4: Drake we were going to see Drake May in the

1098
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 4: Jets game. So my bold prediction is that Drake May

1099
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: is going to start the second half of this game

1100
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: in San Francisco because Jacoby is going to be so

1101
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 4: bad that they're going to have no other choice. And

1102
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 4: he's not giving up the reins. He's just this is it, baby,

1103
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 4: And don't I can't tell you why. I think this

1104
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 4: way is just a gut feeling. And this question, and

1105
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: this question is is more so geared towards Alex because

1106
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 4: Alex here is kind of a sickle like me. You

1107
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 4: love college football, and you live in New England, and

1108
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 4: and I know you you probably have you know, talked,

1109
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 4: talked through your guides and watch your games and looked

1110
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 4: at a few different people. So we all know that

1111
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: we need less tackle talent in depth So have you

1112
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 4: seen anything or have you looked up this kid Wyatt?

1113
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: I think you spell say his last name Milam for

1114
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 4: West Virginia as a depth piece maybe in this upcoming draft.

1115
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: Three years, three years started. So far this year and

1116
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 4: the last two years, he has not given up a sack.

1117
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 4: I think he's given up a total of maybe twenty

1118
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 4: four pressures too in three years. Have you looked at him?

1119
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 4: What do you think of him? And if not, check

1120
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: him out? That's all I got.

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00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Patty. Do you got anything?

1122
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to pull up I actually wrote about

1123
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: this guy when I did my college football preview back

1124
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: in August, So just give me a second.

1125
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 2: To pull up my notes and find out. Of course

1126
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: you didn't.

1127
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: I did on the on the first point, I don't

1128
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen in terms of like Drake May

1129
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: is gonna start second half. If you do that, that's

1130
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: the switch. That's the switch at Drake May's team at

1131
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: that point. You're not gonna I.

1132
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: Don't love the idea of of doing that. Now. I don't.

1133
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: If Jacobe gets hurt, he gets hurt. I'm just saying,

1134
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: if he gets hurt, he gets hurt. But I would

1135
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: I'd much rather go in in on Wednesday he's he's

1136
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback or giving him all of the first

1137
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 2: team reps were prepping the entire call sheet around Drake.

1138
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: May like throwing him in there at halftime to actually

1139
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: play competitively, not in garbage time like they did last

1140
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: Thursday night. I understand that we all want to see him,

1141
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 2: but myself included obviously, but that's a little bit risky.

1142
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: The other thing about that, it just feels like a

1143
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, it feels like a

1144
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: very preseason thing to do. Yeah, And they had their

1145
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: chance to take the preseason approach, calling it tight out

1146
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: at the end of that Jets game, and they didn't. Yeah,

1147
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: So that leads me to believe that they're not of

1148
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: that mindset right now. So I think it is Milam

1149
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: Wylett Wyatt MILEM Wyatt Millium at West Virginia really good size,

1150
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: six six, three seventeen. He's allowed just two sacks in

1151
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: coming into the season, allowed just two sacks and eleven

1152
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: hundred career pass blocking snaps. Both of those came as

1153
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: a true freshman when he was a right tackle. He's

1154
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: been at left tackle. He was at left tackle the

1155
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: last two years. It didn't allow a single sack. So

1156
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: far this year in four games, he hasn't allowed of pressure.

1157
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: He hasn't allowed a single pressure in under twenty three

1158
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: pass blocking snaps.

1159
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: Now the knocks on him.

1160
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: He gets penalized a lot, and that's probably part of

1161
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: the reason that those holes and whatever are are further down.

1162
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: He's also a little bit I don't know if narrow

1163
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: is the right word.

1164
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: He's not.

1165
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: He's built more like a guard than a tackle in

1166
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: like his torso. Yeah, and I'll be interested to see

1167
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: his arm length now, doesn't have a big butt, that

1168
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: what you're saying, kind of yeah. I also I get

1169
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: I wonder about his arm length. He's he's going to

1170
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: be a good NFL player because he does have the

1171
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: raw size and athleticism and experience. He might be a guard.

1172
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: He might be one of these guys that plays multiple positions.

1173
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Evan, a guy I

1174
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: think was last year draft from Pitt Matt and Calves yep,

1175
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: who kind of was a tackling college but guard he was,

1176
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: But there were NFL teams in certain schemes that I

1177
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: think could see him as a tackle, probably right, So

1178
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: Mylam is a much better player, but that same kind

1179
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: of guy where there's probably gonna be half the team

1180
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: seem as a guard half the team, A bunch of

1181
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: teams seem as a guard, an equal amount of teams

1182
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: will seem as a tackle. Some teams might try him

1183
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: at center, like he's just a good player you want

1184
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: to get out on the field, but he doesn't really

1185
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: have a position. He's currently projected to be like a

1186
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: late day two pick for a team that also needs

1187
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: depth on the offensive line, Like, wouldn't be a bad

1188
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: guy to bring in. Now, They're gonna have a lot

1189
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: of other needs, and I don't know that they can

1190
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: afford to go offensive line twice that high in the draft.

1191
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: But sirt I get I had him on my players

1192
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: to watch, so take that for what it's worth.

1193
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: There you go, all right. Quinn is in Louisiana. Oh,

1194
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 2: I've dropped you, Quinn by a mistake. Call back, Quinn,

1195
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Daniel is in California. Let's up, Daniel. Good?

1196
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: How are you hey?

1197
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: I'm good. So I'm actually going to be at the

1198
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 4: game in San France.

1199
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: Nice.

1200
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 5: That's actually be my first Patriot game. That I'll be going.

1201
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 3: So of course I would rather like to see Brady

1202
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: and drunk, the good old David ones.

1203
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 6: But I'm okay with this game.

1204
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: So my question.

1205
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: Is is, obviously, you know our offense and now our

1206
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: defense is struggling, but and I am expecting the game

1207
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: to get out of hand, just how last week was.

1208
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: But what certain matchups or strategies do you guys think

1209
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: the Patriots should focus on to exploit some weaknesses and

1210
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: maybe pull off the upset this week and I can

1211
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: take it off there.

1212
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks Daniel. I appreciate the question, and I

1213
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: promise we're going to get to that. But I did

1214
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: want to wrap up our thoughts on the on the

1215
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: last game, and that's like where we're going to go

1216
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: right after that. So I promise we're going to get

1217
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: to all that. Let's do three up, three down really

1218
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: quickly from last week from Thursday. Again. I know it's

1219
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: a whole week ago and it's kind of weird to

1220
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: do it, but I like doing this, so we're going

1221
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: to do it. It's our show, right, we drive the bus,

1222
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: all right? So I did two and a half up

1223
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: because this is a tough one for me. I didn't

1224
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: even know that I'm getting I had a tough time

1225
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: with this one, but I do want to give some

1226
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: flowers out and then I have four down right, So

1227
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: I would sometimes on these types of games, I I

1228
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: do it one way or the other. So my number

1229
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: one up in this game was Pop Douglas. I thought

1230
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: that even though it didn't work, like in a big

1231
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: picture sense, the strategy of throwing the ball and attacking

1232
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: through the air a little bit more, especially early on

1233
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 2: in the game, didn't work, it was encouraging to see

1234
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: Pop get to eight touches for seventy eight yards, caught

1235
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: the crosser from Jacoby Brissett, caught a nice indcut from

1236
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: Drake May, and late in the game had the cool

1237
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: scheme touch on the on the pitch play, which I

1238
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: thought was nice. Yeah, so they've put in an orbit

1239
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 2: package orbit motion package. Orbit motion when the receiver goes

1240
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: behind the quarterback like on an end around, instead of

1241
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: a jet sweep, which would be in front of the quarterback.

1242
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: So you're like orbiting the planet, right, Yeah, so you're

1243
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: going behind the quarterback. Yeah, sure, going behind the quarterback.

1244
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: They've put the orbit motion package in with Pop, He's

1245
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: motioned at the snap seventeen times already this season, and

1246
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: they've done a bunch of cool things off of it.

1247
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking about when I say that

1248
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: AVP is actually a decent designer. He's just not a

1249
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: good play caller. This is a cool design like this

1250
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: actually works, and they've done a nice job with it.

1251
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: Against Seattle, they hit Hunter Henry on that thirty five

1252
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: yard screen. The window dressing or the eye candy was

1253
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: this motion by Pop Douglas This week they ran it

1254
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: and then they faked an inside handoff and ended up

1255
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: pitching it out to Pop Douglas and he had some

1256
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: green grass for a nine yard game. If this is

1257
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 2: how they're going to use him, I see a plan,

1258
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: Like this is a plan. Thank you. You have a

1259
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: plan for somebody. This is how we are going to

1260
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: use you. I thought was good. Now they just have

1261
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: to figure out the rest of everything that's going on

1262
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: with the offense. But if that's how Pop is gonna

1263
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: be eight for eighty and those are gonna kind of

1264
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: be his contributions to the game, then I like where

1265
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: things are headed with him. So he was my number

1266
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 2: one up.

1267
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, same with me. Just to see him getting involved. Now,

1268
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: I do think there's a difference between or there's a

1269
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: fine line between involving your best players enforcing the ball

1270
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: to players. Yeah, and ideally you want your best player

1271
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: to get touches in a way that elevates the rest

1272
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: of the offense. Yeah, I don't think that's what Thursday

1273
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: night was. I think Thursday night was just getting the

1274
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: ball to force Douglas regardless. And the numbers were good, Now,

1275
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: a lot of them were in the second half. I

1276
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: think he had two catches for twenty five yards. Yeah,

1277
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: just came on that last Drake may drive. So it's

1278
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,919
Speaker 1: got a rising tide. Lifts all boats, right, it's got

1279
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: to start to benefit the offense in other ways, which

1280
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: wasn't there. And to me, some of the numbers are

1281
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: kind of hollow. But for him specifically, I thought he

1282
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: had a good game.

1283
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't hold it against Pop Douglas that he's their

1284
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: best receiver, right And at the same time, don't let

1285
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: Van Pelton and the coaching staff off the hook for

1286
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: not involving Pop Douglas just because you might not think

1287
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: that he's Tyree Kill. He's their best playmaker on offense.

1288
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: In the passing game, they need to find ways to

1289
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: get him in the ball right like that. That's the

1290
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: bottom line. Just because he's not a number one quote

1291
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: unquote receiver in the league doesn't mean that we can

1292
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: just sit here and say, well, we really need to

1293
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: get Pop Douglas involved. Yes, you do need to get

1294
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas involved. This team needs Pop Douglas to be involved,

1295
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: so he's gonna have to be involved. He was my

1296
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: number one up both of ours, I think, right, you

1297
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: said who was your number two?

1298
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez. Yeah, just you know, was it his best game? No?

1299
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: He allowed officially his first career touchdown. I know some

1300
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: people wonder about the DK Metcalf one last week that

1301
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 1: was mainly put on Kyle Dugger because Kyle Dugger said

1302
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: to put it on Kyle Duggar. Yeah, this one was

1303
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: allowed by Gonzalez, and honestly, not much more he could

1304
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: have done on the play. Really good throw by Aaron Rodgers,

1305
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: who was excellent in this game. But was it five

1306
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: catches thirty five yards a Gonzalez. If you're holding guys

1307
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: like Garrett Wilson to those numbers week in and week out,

1308
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: you should be in most games, you're gonna be competitive

1309
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: in most games, especially defensively. So to me, Christian Goanzalez

1310
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: continues to pass tests and he continues to look like

1311
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: he's making that year two jump.

1312
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you brought up Gonzalez because I wanted

1313
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: to soap box the first second on Gonzalez. I'm an

1314
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: apologist for Christian Gonzalez. I'm sorry, I just am. I'll

1315
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 2: own this. The reason why I'm an apologist for Christian

1316
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: Gonzalez is because they have so many issues wrong with

1317
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: their team and their roster. Picking on probably their most

1318
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: talented player just feels so wrong to me, Like he's

1319
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: the one guy that I feel like I can sit

1320
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 2: there and watch and him, like that's a blue chip talent?

1321
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: Has he realized it yet? Not necessarily, Like he's still

1322
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: a work in progress to an extent as a younger

1323
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: player in this league. But he is clearly physically a

1324
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 2: blue chip talent. So can we can we give him

1325
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: some time to develop? He's only played seven NFL games.

1326
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: I think people forget about that because he's technically in

1327
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: his second season in the league. But he only played

1328
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: three and a half games as a rookie. So we're

1329
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: seven NFL games in I know you know this, but

1330
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: just play with me for a second. The receivers that

1331
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: he has faced in those seven games. Garrett Wilson twice,

1332
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: AJ Brown and a little bit of DeVante Smith and

1333
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: the opener last year against the Eagles, Tyreek Hill, Ceedee

1334
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: Lamb Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf and on Sunday, oh wait,

1335
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: you have Brandon Ayuk coming your way on Sunday. That

1336
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: is a gauntlet. That is an absolute gauntlet. And this

1337
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 2: is to be fair. He is getting drops Aayuk. Yeah

1338
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: he can't catch. Yeah, yeah, but that is a list

1339
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: Like if you made a list of the top ten

1340
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: receivers in the NFL, how many of the receivers I

1341
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: just named would be on that list? Quite a few,

1342
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: quite a few of them. He's facing some of the

1343
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: best competition in the league. He has not looked out

1344
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: of place. He's not looked overwhelmed by those matchups. Him

1345
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: and Marlon Humphrey are the only corners in the league

1346
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: that haven't given up an explosive yet. Now, if you

1347
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: want to put the metcalf on him, fine, but that's

1348
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: a mental error. That's not a physical error of him

1349
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: getting burned in man coverage. Last thing. He's shadowing these guys.

1350
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: He's going inside and outside. He's playing in the slot

1351
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: when Garrett Wilson plays in the slot, and he's playing

1352
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: on the boundary when Garrett Wilson goes out and lines

1353
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: up out wide. This is not SaaS Gardner. I'm just

1354
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: gonna take the right side of the field and the

1355
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: rest of you guys can figure it out. No offense

1356
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: right like, this is not a zone corner. This is

1357
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: a man to man corner. Law reevus to leave like

1358
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: that father. You have Ayuk and you are following him

1359
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,959
Speaker 2: everywhere he goes. That's what Christian Gonzalez has done since

1360
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: day one with the Patriots. Just the list that you

1361
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: just read off Reevius Gilmore law to leave. If you

1362
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 2: expected him to be that seven games into his NFL career,

1363
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 2: then your expectations were too high. He's a growing young

1364
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 2: player in this league. He's been really, really good. He

1365
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: has some reps on film where he has perfect coverage

1366
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: on some of the best receivers in the NFL. And

1367
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: the touchdown that he gave up to Garrett Wilson. I

1368
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: don't mind the gamble there. Your team is down, your

1369
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: offense has done nothing all night long, so he gambled.

1370
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: He tried to go for the pick instead of the

1371
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 2: instead of just covering the receiver. If he picked six,

1372
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: is that then we're all going googly eyes over the

1373
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: fact that he did that. It was a gamble. It

1374
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: was a boomer bust gamble. It busted on that particular play.

1375
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: It was also a perfect throw by Aaron Rodgers. So

1376
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: end of rant. I just I feel like, out of

1377
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: all the people that have played Keon White, Christian Gonzalez,

1378
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: to me right now are off limits. Like those guys

1379
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: are doing their job to the best of their abilities

1380
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: as young players in this league. Pick on the guys

1381
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: that are actually worth picking on, not those two. Kobe,

1382
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 2: just say it you want, no, I do whoever the

1383
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: offensive line, Jacoby said, whoever else you want to pick on,

1384
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: I'm game. They have a lot of issues, So I'm game.

1385
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 2: But Christian Gonzalez has been perfectly fine. All right? Uh

1386
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: one my other half up? Did you have any more

1387
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: were in the.

1388
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: Day I was talking about puting, I thought about putting

1389
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers. He was just really impressive in that game,

1390
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: and after he'd kind of struggled the first couple of weeks. Uh,

1391
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: the bad Man might be back.

1392
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's unfortunate. I was the first couple of weeks

1393
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 2: and I was dead wrong in everything I talked about

1394
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: that game. Last week, I went off of the first

1395
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: couple of weeks of Aaron Rodgers, and he did not

1396
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: look as nimble as he did on there.

1397
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: We were all off, everybody, even even Felger, who's you

1398
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: know mister Packers? Right, I was on with him and

1399
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: he was saying, Rogers is checked out. He looks done,

1400
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: he looks like he's quiz.

1401
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 2: He just didn't look like he could move around very

1402
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: well on the on the Achilles, it looked like he

1403
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: was still on Thursday night, he looked like MVP's Aroon Rodgers. Yeah,

1404
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: my half up, because you know I had half up

1405
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 2: Austin Hooper. I thought Austin Hooper actually got open in

1406
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: this game. And it's not his fault that Jacoiber said.

1407
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: Sailed the pass left, you know, wide left of him,

1408
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 2: and then he got up. He got he made a

1409
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: catch on a nineteen yard crossing route that got called

1410
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: back because of a penalty. So in another alternate universe,

1411
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: in this game, Austin Hooper has like two or three

1412
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 2: catches for like sixty five seventy yards in this game.

1413
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: It just happened that, you know, one of them was

1414
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 2: amiss by the quarterback. One of them gets wiped out

1415
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 2: by a penalty. He had the screen. He caught a

1416
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: nineteen yard screen that actually counted in this game as well.

1417
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: So you put those three catches together, what is that

1418
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: two for seventy, three for seventy maybe three for seventy

1419
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: five if he breaks a tackler or two. I thought

1420
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: he actually got opened down the field a little bit

1421
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 2: in this game. So I'll give him some flowers. Let's

1422
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: move over to the downs. What did who did you

1423
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 2: have as your number one down?

1424
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: Sir?

1425
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: So?

1426
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I honestly didn't know what we were

1427
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: doing up and downs this week. I'll tell you this.

1428
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: Just the offense. The offense, let me give you one.

1429
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't good, no, no, but like it's just in

1430
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: no way did that team come out ready to play?

1431
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: Always do ups and downs?

1432
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: All right?

1433
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: So I'll do this.

1434
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: The offense is number one. Go ahead, I put Alex

1435
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: van Pelt, Okay, I that's fair. When you come out

1436
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: the day after the game, I don't want to like

1437
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: continue to kill him. So when you come out the

1438
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: day after the game and you admit that the play

1439
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: the game plan was not good, you're on the downs list.

1440
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 2: Like he publicly wore it. To his credit, the plan

1441
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: of going in without establishing any sort of run game

1442
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 2: and trying to be this play action pass team backfired.

1443
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: I understand the thought process behind it, but it backfired.

1444
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: So you're my number one down.

1445
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just say the offense, I guess I'll say

1446
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: Alex van Pelt as representative of the offense as a whole.

1447
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: I didn't think they had a good game plan. I

1448
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 1: even think the game plan they had they didn't execute.

1449
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: They get executed at a higher level. Would it have

1450
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: ultimately worked, I don't know. But for what they were

1451
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: trying to do, they didn't do well. Couldn't block, couldn't run,

1452
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: turn the ball over and have a ton of guys

1453
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: getting open. Jacoby had some misses. I don't know if

1454
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: there's much there to hang your hat on offensively, All.

1455
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: Right, number two down for me, I'm just gonna go

1456
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: and you can piggyback off of me tackling. So I

1457
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: was gonna say the defense just tackling. Yeah, it's a

1458
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 2: short week. I'm gonna give him that caveat. They really really.

1459
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: Missed Jewan Bentley in this game, and I'll get to

1460
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: that in a second. More that I thought they would,

1461
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: and I thought they werenna miss.

1462
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: Him a lot, but they missed thirteen tackles in this game.

1463
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: It was very poor fundamental football in terms of tackling,

1464
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: And probably my biggest issue with the defense right now

1465
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: is containing quarterbacks and keeping the quarterback in the pocket,

1466
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: especially on third down. So over the last two weeks,

1467
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: I have here's a staff for you. Over the last

1468
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 2: two weeks, Gino Smith and Aaron Rodgers on extended plays,

1469
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 2: which next Gen tracks is four plus seconds to throw right.

1470
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: So these plays, you know, Josh Allen Mahomes, apparently Rogers

1471
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: is back to doing this where we're just running around

1472
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: and making plays out of structure. Gino Smith and Aaron

1473
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 2: Rodgers eight for nine for one hundred and fourteen yards.

1474
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,440
Speaker 2: That is twelve point four yards per attempt on extended plays.

1475
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 2: The domino effect that that has, especially on third down,

1476
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 2: is massive because you should be off the field in

1477
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: those situations. So if you are fundamentally sound and you

1478
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: keep the quarterback in the pocket and you make the

1479
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: tackles that you're supposed to make. Now you're off the field,

1480
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: and those drives don't get extended and you don't give

1481
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 2: up all these extra yards that in fact, because I

1482
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 2: know one hundred and fourteen out of six hundred doesn't

1483
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: sound like a lot, but it's a domino effect that

1484
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: it has too on the entire game that I'm hoping

1485
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 2: the tackling improves just organically.

1486
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you basically gave them sorry to catch up.

1487
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: You basically gave them an extra trip down the field, right, So, yeah,

1488
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: the tackling you think.

1489
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 2: Will be better.

1490
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: Like you said, short week, they were missing guys all that,

1491
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: but this wasn't an issue of they got out schemed.

1492
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: This wasn't an issue of even I would say personnel.

1493
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean it is and it isn't. But it wasn't

1494
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: issue personnel. It wasn't getting out coach, It wasn't getting

1495
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: out schemed.

1496
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 2: They or not.

1497
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: They just weren't ready to play. It was effort plays

1498
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: that just didn't go their way. And I think what

1499
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: hurt is Jilani Tavai try to give him some juice

1500
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: early in the game. Yeah, makes that that hard tackle

1501
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: on Breeze Hall. I don't think that was a penalty.

1502
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 2: It was. It was a very not a wrestling guy,

1503
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: but it was. It was a body slam, but that's legal.

1504
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 2: But he wrapped him the whistle blue and then he bought.

1505
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: See and this is what's tough. You can't see on film,

1506
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: but like I went back and watched, assuming Amazon had

1507
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: the sound synced upright, Yeah, that whistle like he's already.

1508
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: Starting to throw him to the ground when he whistle blows.

1509
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 1: To me, it's if, yes, after the whistle, that's a penalty.

1510
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: I don't think that play was after the whistle.

1511
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: Maybe if you were there, it was borderline. I think.

1512
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: To me, what what it was was like he was

1513
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: in the grasp, yeah, and and Brisaw was, you know,

1514
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 2: kind of giving himself up on the.

1515
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: Play, very clearly off the ground before the whistle blows.

1516
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I just thought that it was like those

1517
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: are like those little extra yeah pieces of contact at

1518
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: the league. I hear you, and I'm not I kind

1519
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: of thought it was a little bit of a BS

1520
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 2: call watching live, and that's a big play in the game.

1521
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I'm not sitting here saying It

1522
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: was the smartest play ever, right, but try to inject

1523
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: a little juice in early. They get called for it

1524
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: and they just never bounced back. They were just the

1525
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: tackling wasn't there, the physicality wasn't there, the effort wasn't there.

1526
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: And that's on Jerod Mayo. That's an Amarcus Covington. That's

1527
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: on the players. They just didn't they didn't get off

1528
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: the bus.

1529
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that was another thing that I

1530
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: undersold about this game was how much juice was in

1531
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: that building. And it was Aaron Rodgers' first game back

1532
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: since the injury. They had just come off a big

1533
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 2: win in Tennessee the week before. That place was was

1534
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: for a Jets game. And I'm gonna throw some Shane

1535
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 2: at the Jets fans because why not. I haven't been

1536
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: in that building in my career and had and had

1537
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: a real crowd because it's always been Belichick versus Zach

1538
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: Wilson or like something like that. That was a real

1539
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: That was a real crowd. That is prime time. It

1540
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 2: was Rogers' first game like that was a There was

1541
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: a lot of juice in that building and the Jets

1542
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: played like.

1543
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: It, but match it a Belichick team would have marriaged

1544
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: it like like to me a lot of what that

1545
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: game was. This was one of the first real in

1546
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: season tests for the girod Mao coaching staff. Yeah, short week,

1547
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,520
Speaker 1: you lose your left tackle, you lose your captain, middle linebacker,

1548
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, uh, defensive one of your best defensive players

1549
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: going in And I get it. It's not easy, but

1550
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion, meet it, Bill Bellich, I don't

1551
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: know that Bill Belichick wins that game. The team comes

1552
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: out with more effort. The team comes out with more effort.

1553
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: And when I say girod Mayo, I mean the coaching

1554
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: staff as a whole. The coaching staff did not rise

1555
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: to meet the challenge of the short week, and I

1556
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: would say they failed that test. And look next year,

1557
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: first Thursday night game. I would expect this game to

1558
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: be a major talking point. As you know, they couldn't

1559
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: get the team ready last year on the short week.

1560
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: Can they do with this time around?

1561
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 2: It's a good point. And it's a young coaching staff

1562
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: or an inexperienced coaching staff, and in places where it's

1563
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: not necessarily young, and uh, it was a short week

1564
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: and it looked they looked unprepared.

1565
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: They it looked like a coaching staff coaching their first

1566
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: ever game on a short week.

1567
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. All right, A couple more? Yeah,

1568
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 2: uh number three? Can I give him my third? Just

1569
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: to finish my thing? Yeah?

1570
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: Special teams, offense, defense, specialty. I think I did this

1571
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: once last year too.

1572
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 2: Did I think it was the Cowboys game or the

1573
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: Saints game? That one of those sounds about right. So look,

1574
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: I know the game fell. I thought Barringer was fine.

1575
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 2: Baringer continues to be just the best play.

1576
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty Jake Bailey vibes where it's like, this

1577
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: guy's the best guy on the team. I know nobody

1578
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: wants to hear it. I know everbody's gonna roll their

1579
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: eyes at it. Bryce Baringer is the best player on

1580
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots right now. He just is.

1581
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was really good five. It was a

1582
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 2: twenty twenty that Bailey made All Pro by and and Gunner.

1583
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, who you said didn't belong in the NFL camp.

1584
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: I knew that was kind of course he did.

1585
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah no, But it was that year where the whole

1586
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: year was like, yeah, they have two All pros on

1587
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 1: special teams, like there's nothing else.

1588
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 2: To build one.

1589
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so Baringer's really good. Five punts, three

1590
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: inside the twenty, no touchbacks again like a forty four

1591
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: yard net. But now, look, I know the game felt

1592
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: out of hand after about a quarter and a half, right,

1593
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: but they come out of the locker room, they go

1594
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: three and out, they punt. It is still fourteen to three,

1595
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: So you're still very much fourteen three run driving in

1596
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: the third quarter is still very much a game. Yeah, Barringer,

1597
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: great kick fifty one yards down to the Jets, thirteen

1598
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: yard nine, real chance to flip the field. Breton Schooler

1599
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: gets right down there, beats the blockers, whiffs on the

1600
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: tackles Xavier Gibson twenty one yard return, and that just

1601
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: it felt like took a lot of air out of

1602
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: the defense. Yeah, and it's the second week in a row,

1603
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 1: because remember this happened against Seattle too.

1604
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: It was against Seattle.

1605
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: It was right at the end of the first half

1606
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: where they allowed the big return and Seattle gets a

1607
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: field goal gifted to them essentially that they.

1608
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: Probably shouldn't have had.

1609
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: Barringer's gonna knock some of these balls deep, and you

1610
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: you'd argue he's out kicking his coverage. I think you

1611
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: gotta know what kind of puntery is at this point,

1612
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: and you need him to flip the field like that.

1613
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: They've got to capitalize on some of these bigger kicks

1614
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: better and not you know, first guy down whiffing on

1615
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: some of these bigger kicks.

1616
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as I'm not the special teams guy,

1617
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 2: and I let you handle that, yeah, side of the street,

1618
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 2: but this team. As much as I hate how this

1619
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 2: team wants to play, and you know that, but.

1620
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: Well, you don't need to be a special teams guy

1621
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: as a defensive coach, would you rather defend a team

1622
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: starting on the thirteen yard line or the thirty four

1623
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: yard line? Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking, right And

1624
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: I and I say this because I just I have to.

1625
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: I hate how this team has to win games right now,

1626
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: but I still have to call a spade a spade.

1627
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: They need to play complimentary football in all three phases

1628
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: right Like they're gonna be a run first offense, which

1629
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: I hate, But they're gonna be a run first offense.

1630
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 2: Uh. They're going to be a team that's gonna need

1631
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: field position and it's gonna need the punter and the

1632
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: punt team to be a factor, and they're gonna need

1633
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: to flip the field, and they're gonna need to put

1634
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: other team on long fields and things like that. All

1635
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: is going to be a thing this team needs to

1636
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 2: do to win football game.

1637
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: That's why it's it down for me, because if you

1638
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: are that team, you can't be missing tackles and punt coverage.

1639
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 2: You just can't do it all right. Number three here

1640
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 2: Jelani tava and ray Kuan McMillan. This was one of

1641
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: the worst inside linebacker tapes I've ever seen from the Patriots.

1642
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 2: Just soft up the middle, not getting off blocks. Looked

1643
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 2: a little bit overwhelmed by some things. Missing tackles like

1644
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: Rayqwon McMillan comes in and has Braylan Allen and the

1645
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 2: whole like very very early in this game and could

1646
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 2: have made a big play in the game early on,

1647
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: completely whiffs on the tackle attempt. Tavai looked a little

1648
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: bit overwhelmed, looked like he had a more responsibility without

1649
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 2: Jawan Bentley, maybe a little bit more mic linebacker instead

1650
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 2: of will linebacker, wearing the green dot, all those types

1651
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: of things. I asked Marcus Comington today about you know,

1652
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: do things change mechanically up front now that Jawan Bentley

1653
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 2: isn't there, And he said no, that we just have

1654
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: to be better, and I didn't really love that answer.

1655
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you, and I know that

1656
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 2: they're going to make little tweaks and like things like that,

1657
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 2: and they're not going to make necessarily wholesale changes. But

1658
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 2: Jawan Bentley is a very unique player with the way

1659
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 2: that he takes on blocks and the way that he

1660
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 2: plays the run game almost like a defensive lineman that

1661
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 2: I don't think you can just expect Joannie to buy

1662
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 2: in ray Kwan McMillan to play the run as well

1663
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 2: and in the same way that Jawan Bentley does. So

1664
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 2: I do think it has to change a little bit

1665
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 2: how you are playing from a front mechanics and a

1666
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 2: structure standpoint like it just you can't play too high

1667
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: expecting the two gap and get the numbers back that

1668
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 2: way when you don't have a thumper in the middle

1669
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 2: of the defense like Jawan Bentley, It's just you're gonna

1670
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 2: get run on all day, especially by this team coming

1671
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: up on Sunday. If that's how they play the run

1672
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: on Sunday against Shanahan. The Niners are going to run

1673
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 2: for two hundred yards, so they have to do something.

1674
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: It just flashed me back to specifically remember his first

1675
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: year here when he just.

1676
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: Really didn't look right.

1677
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: And then Bill comes out that offseason when we all

1678
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: expect to buy to not make the team, and it's like,

1679
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be a crucial part of what we

1680
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: do and we're like what, And then they moved him

1681
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: to the edge and he suddenly became a good contributing player.

1682
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 1: Now he's back playing that position he was his first

1683
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: year here in New England, which I think is out

1684
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: of position for him. So hopefully once Talkie gets back,

1685
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, there's a little less of that. It kind

1686
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: of hint today that Marte mop who might get some

1687
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: snaps of linebackers, so.

1688
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 2: We get to do this thing again, Evan. But I

1689
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: would devise out a position filling in for Yeah, I'm

1690
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: more on the with you on the the out of position,

1691
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: just asking him to do some things that he he's

1692
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 2: not necessarily the take on, like the block deconstructor that

1693
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 2: Jawan Bentley is. He is much more of an athlete,

1694
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 2: like let's fly to the football un blocked, or let's

1695
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 2: drop into some space and make plays. He's not He's

1696
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: not a take on linebacker in my opinion. So I

1697
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 2: don't know if maybe that you just have Raekwon McMillan

1698
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: just kind of run full force into blocks and not

1699
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 2: worry so much about making the tackle but more so

1700
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: worry about disruption and kind of blowing things up. And

1701
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 2: then you allowed to Vie to come in and clean up.

1702
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 2: Like maybe that's the better way to go about things

1703
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 2: than what they did the other night. I don't necessarily

1704
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 2: think the green dot is as big of a deal.

1705
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 2: I think it's more about where he is in the defense. Yeah,

1706
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: like the positional type of stuff. So they were on

1707
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 2: my list number four down the entire offensive line, Like

1708
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: you have to call him out at some point.

1709
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: You've been the one who's been telling me for like

1710
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: two weeks now, the offensive line is not as big

1711
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: of an issue as I think it is.

1712
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear you say no, it's a big deal. No,

1713
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 2: it's a big issue. I'm just not willing to let

1714
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 2: everybody else off the hook for the entire season just

1715
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,839
Speaker 2: because we're the offensive line isn't good, right, Like eventually

1716
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: figure it out, like and not again, not thirty points

1717
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 2: a game, figure it out, but like, can we not

1718
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 2: have what we had last Thursday night? Right right? That's

1719
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 2: all it is. But fifty two point two percent pressure

1720
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 2: rate on Jacob Brisett in this game, Canaan Wallace, David Andrews,

1721
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: Mike on One who Leiden Robinson all three pressures each,

1722
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: sixteen total pressures allowed in this game. Just in terms

1723
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 2: of volume, I thought all of them struggled across the board,

1724
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan maybe was a little bit out got

1725
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: away with this one one hurry allowed just for him.

1726
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: Wallace obviously a rookie playing out a position in his

1727
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 2: first NFL game. Not a great spot for him, so

1728
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm willing to give him a break. David Andrews and

1729
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: Mike on Winner need to be better. Like, those are

1730
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 2: your two veteran guys on the line. Those are the

1731
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: two guys that are starters in this league and belong

1732
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 2: in the starting lineup, and we're not It's not Trey Jacobs, right,

1733
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 2: We're not forcing you into the lineup. That's where you belong.

1734
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: Those two guys need to be better for this team.

1735
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: I think with on Winn it's just a matter of

1736
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: he he is what he is, a tackle and they've

1737
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: got to get him moved inside guard and he's going

1738
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: to continue to struggle.

1739
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: Trying to tell you all last one just because I

1740
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: don't want people to think I'm leaving letting him off

1741
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: the hook. D Mayo Rod Mayo's got to be a

1742
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 2: down too. Yeah.

1743
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: They weren't all right, so I said, offense, defense, special teams,

1744
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: give me a fourth coaching.

1745
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: He's they weren't prepared to play. They weren't ready.

1746
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: They want to talk about this before, but they weren't ready.

1747
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: And that's on the coaching stuff. Yeah.

1748
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 2: So I don't want girod Mayo everybody to think that

1749
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 2: girod Mayo at you know all, they won't criticize Mayo Mayo.

1750
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: Uh he he deserves to be on the down list too.

1751
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

1752
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: They weren't prepared to play. They got out coached. I

1753
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 2: believe they kind of got out coached for the second

1754
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 2: straight week. I think them too. Uh So we're starting

1755
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 2: to see some of the uh the cracks and the

1756
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 2: foundation of a young coaching staff and a and an

1757
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 2: inexperienced coaching staff. So those are ups and downs. Let's

1758
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: talk a little bit of Niners. Let's take John here

1759
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: on the phone first and then uh, we'll do the

1760
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: last thirty minutes on San Francisco. What's up, John? How

1761
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 2: you doing?

1762
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 6: Hey? How you guys doing good?

1763
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: Good?

1764
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 6: Good? So you guys actually kind of just touched on it.

1765
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 6: But I have two points on the offensive line. So

1766
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 6: my thought process is a little bit with on when

1767
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 6: who kind of being out of or not out of position,

1768
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 6: but not at his best at tackle, and you've got

1769
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 6: a rookie starting at guard next to him, you know

1770
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 6: what do you have to lose by basically getting on

1771
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 6: who in his rightful position, either moving the rookie over

1772
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 6: to left guard or when that so comes back, having

1773
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 6: him there, and just dealing with one person as a

1774
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 6: weak spot at left tackle. And then just one other point,

1775
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 6: I'll let you guys go. I heard Doug Kaide talking

1776
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 6: about Donovan Smith, the you know, the Kansas City left

1777
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 6: tackle from last year. I know he probably sucks because

1778
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 6: he's not signed by somebody, But in a situation that

1779
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 6: we're in, wouldn't he be better than what we have?

1780
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 6: And he's just sitting out there, maybe he's not in shape, whatever,

1781
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 6: it's just it feels like it'd be a worth a

1782
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 6: shot and have Wallace over at right tackle where he belongs.

1783
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 6: Just try it out anyway, Thanks.

1784
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 2: Guy, Thanks John so Uh to the first point they

1785
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 2: have on right tackle out of necessity, like they just

1786
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: don't have bodies at.

1787
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: That I agree with the point, like what do you

1788
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: have to lose by just having the one guy at

1789
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: left tackle? The problem is who you're playing a right guard?

1790
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: You can do with Kiten Wallace, then I'm all for

1791
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: it because I then, yeah, left tackle is probably a

1792
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: big weak spot.

1793
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 2: If it's gonna be.

1794
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: Who even would be the back of you tackle at

1795
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: this point is Trade Jacobs their swing tackle?

1796
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 2: Is it Trade Jacobs? It would probably be uh, the practice.

1797
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: Squad right Caleb Jones, who's never played in a pre set,

1798
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: who's never played an NFL game at right tackle without

1799
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, I Vederian Lowe's not back, He's still.

1800
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 2: It's it's both tackles.

1801
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: You can't just move Mike and one who back inside

1802
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: and get to one position of question, you need other

1803
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: guys to get healthy first. When those guys do get healthy,

1804
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: they should make that move.

1805
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. If they don't make that move, then I'm going

1806
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: to start to criticize the for not making that movie.

1807
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 2: Everybody else.

1808
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 1: They can't right now because guys aren't healthy, like you said,

1809
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, just as soon as possible.

1810
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 2: I just thought of something really quickly, and then I

1811
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 2: do want to go forty nine ers. Yeah with your

1812
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 2: odd Mayo, go ahead. What were you gonna say?

1813
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: I just saw on Donovan Smith. Yeah, oh yeah, watch

1814
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: him from last year once, I mean right now with

1815
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: Darian Low hurt. Yeah, he'd help. I don't know that

1816
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: he's an upgrade over Darien Low at this point his career.

1817
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, it doesn't seem like they want to

1818
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: make that move right now. I know, Doug. I saw

1819
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,600
Speaker 2: a tweet, Doug, So if you didn't actually report this,

1820
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 2: and I apologize, but that the tweet from one of

1821
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: the Patriots aggregators said that Doug said that they're not

1822
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: at this time looking into bringing in any of those

1823
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 2: veteran tackles, you know, Donovan Smith, David Bachtiari one of

1824
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 2: those players. My guess is Donovan.

1825
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: Donovan Smith will had fifty three pressures and was called

1826
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: for ten.

1827
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, penalties were an issue for him.

1828
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: That's those are both excessive numbers.

1829
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would. I would just say that those

1830
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 2: guys are available for a reason, whether it's injury, whether

1831
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: it's that people think Donovan Smith is washed, whether Baktiari's

1832
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: not playing is kind of pseudo retired, right, like, whatever

1833
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 2: the case may be with all those Uh, there's plenty

1834
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 2: of teams like Kansas City. As much as we railed

1835
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 2: the Patriots for not drafting Kingsley, Yeah, he's been benched,

1836
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:25,520
Speaker 2: and it's just to be like full you know, transparency.

1837
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 2: He's been benched and Janya Morris started in their game

1838
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 2: last week at left tackle. Like you don't think if

1839
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: Donovan Smith could play that the Chiefs would call him

1840
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 2: and say, hey, why don't you come back and play

1841
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 2: down the stretch for us this year? Like I My

1842
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 2: guess is that everybody knows stuff about those guys that

1843
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 2: we know. You know, I'll throw Charles Leno and DJ Humphries,

1844
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 2: who's coming off an injury to in that category as well.

1845
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 2: The rest of the league and the people that know

1846
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: more than we do about about what's going on with

1847
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 2: these players obviously know something about those guys, otherwise they

1848
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 2: would be on rosters at this point. Yeah, really quickly

1849
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: on Mayo, my big thing about him in terms of

1850
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: head coach in the role in general, is that I

1851
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 2: look at the head coach as a quality control coach

1852
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. Sure, And if I'm jirod Mayo.

1853
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: When they got back into the building, I think it

1854
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 2: was Monday that the coaches came back after the Thursday

1855
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: night game. When they got back in the building, I'm

1856
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 2: sitting down and they did talk a little bit about

1857
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: non negotiables, right, And I'm sitting down with a VP,

1858
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting down with the Marcus Comington, and I

1859
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 2: I this is what Bill would have done. Bill would

1860
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 2: have had a list of like four or five things

1861
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 2: that it's not everything right. It's not like, let's come

1862
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: in this weekend, let's fix everything that's wrong with this team.

1863
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 2: It's four or five really specific things where I would

1864
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: look at my coaching staff and I would say, this

1865
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: is non negotiable, DeMarcus, we need to keep the quarterback

1866
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 2: in the pocket. This is non negotiable. Can't continue a VP.

1867
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: We need to run the ball. No more of these.

1868
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 2: You know of your your play actions for now until

1869
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 2: it starts to work, right, we need to run the ball.

1870
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: It's on him to do those types of things. I'm

1871
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 2: not necessarily saying that it's on him to fix the

1872
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 2: offensive line or to you know whatever. It's on him

1873
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: to be the last line of.

1874
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: Defense him to make sure it gets fixed.

1875
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 2: Right, to say, hey, this is what we're doing along

1876
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: those same lines. If their quarterback play doesn't improve, if

1877
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 2: I'm drawed Mayo, because i my senses is that there's

1878
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 2: pushback internally from Van Pelt, Elliott Wolf, maybe a little

1879
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 2: bit of Ben McAdoo where they're sitting to Girod Mayo,

1880
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 2: be patient like you're doing with me, right, be patient.

1881
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 2: His time will come. He's not ready. Be patient. Well,

1882
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm he's not ready, but yeah, we're not ready. He's

1883
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: not ready. It's not ready, whatever you want to call it.

1884
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: But if I'm Drod Mayo at some point in time,

1885
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying it has to be this week,

1886
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying whenever he feels it's right, he needs

1887
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 2: to come into the room and he needs to look

1888
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 2: at Alex Van Pelt and Ben McAdoo and say, Drakes

1889
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: the quarterback, coach him the f up.

1890
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: Right, this was a big question in the offseason, right,

1891
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: who ultimately makes that decision is it van Pelt, isn't Mayo.

1892
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: And I had kind of said at the time my

1893
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: view on it was Van Pelt gives the green light,

1894
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: and then it's up to Mayo whether or not to

1895
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: make the move. Yeah, and then the question is what

1896
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: happens if Mayo wants to make the move before he

1897
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: gets the green light. Here we are, and this is

1898
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: going to be a big test for Girod Mayo and

1899
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: this whole collaborative approach and all that, which I'm not

1900
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: against collaboration to extent, but at the end of the day,

1901
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: somebody has to final say Elliot Wolf has it over

1902
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: the roster.

1903
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't have it over the depth chart, or should he?

1904
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:49,719
Speaker 2: That should be the head coach?

1905
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: Can Gerod Mayo when the time comes, And by the way,

1906
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 1: I don't know that I necessarily want him to do this,

1907
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: but if this is the best path of action, can

1908
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 1: he owen of the room put his foot down and

1909
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: say Drake made his the quarterback.

1910
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be easy to do. It's not gonna

1911
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 2: be easy to do, but this is his team and

1912
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 2: he has to go off of his instincts and uh

1913
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: in what he sees with his eyes, and he told

1914
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 2: us in the summertime, right after the preseason that Drake

1915
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 2: may outplayed Jacob Brissetta in the summer and the breadcrumbs.

1916
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: Are there that Gerad's ready to make the move and

1917
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Van Pelt isn't if you want to, I don't want

1918
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 1: to put Elliot Wolf in either side because he just

1919
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: hasn't really openly.

1920
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 2: Talked about it.

1921
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you want to assume which side

1922
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Elliot Wolf is on, well, sense right. But you have

1923
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: Gerd Mayo saying Drake's outperformed him, said one my choice

1924
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: to put him in Thursday night against the Jets. Meanwhile,

1925
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: you have Van Pelt saying, yeah, you know, he's still

1926
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 1: got a lot to work on. He's not ready. Even

1927
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: when he was in there on Thursday night, his footwork

1928
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 1: wasn't greatful.

1929
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 2: Yah.

1930
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: Well, like you can kind of see these two guys

1931
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 1: if you if you go back him. Even even this week,

1932
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: Garrod Mayo was asked about about Van Pelton practice and said,

1933
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: he's been good in practice. That's the kind of guy

1934
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: you want to get on the field. You had Van

1935
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 1: Pelt on Friday say I think he can learn more

1936
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: from watching than from being on the field, and then

1937
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: basically come out today and say you're starting to see

1938
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: him get better, as if like there's still a ways

1939
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: he needs to go. Yeah, the bread crumbs are absolutely

1940
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,480
Speaker 1: there between Mayo and Van And again I don't exclude

1941
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Wolf to let him off the hook. I just exclude

1942
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: him because these are the two guys we have quotes

1943
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: from over the last month.

1944
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1945
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Right, the bread crumbs are there, Girod Mayo basically saying

1946
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: I want the kid to play, and Alex Van Pelt

1947
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: saying I don't, he's not ready.

1948
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point, the head coach has to win

1949
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: that argument, and any real organization, I shouldn't said it

1950
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 2: that way, and in a well run organization, Yeah, Mayo

1951
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 2: wins that argument.

1952
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: But this is why I think it's difficult. You, Hi,

1953
01:31:55,760 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: if you're Jared Mayo, you hired Alex van Pelt to

1954
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: be the head coach of the offense, not the offensive corner.

1955
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,879
Speaker 2: The head coach of the offense. We heard that term.

1956
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: You hired Alex Van Pelt and Ben McAdoo and TC McCartney.

1957
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 2: To be the quarterback experts.

1958
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: How does it look if one month into the season

1959
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: you're now telling the experts get the f out I'm

1960
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: doing this, Like, what message does that send to the

1961
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: rest of your staff people in this league talk? What

1962
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: message does that send to coaches you're trying to hire

1963
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 1: in the future. It's more than just saying I'm the

1964
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 1: head coach, I want this pulling rank.

1965
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 2: There's ripple effects from.

1966
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: That, which is what I think he's fighting right now,

1967
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: and he should consider that. And I'm not saying that

1968
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't get to the point where. I'm not saying

1969
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: it will never get to the point where he needs

1970
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,719
Speaker 1: to just put his foot down. It's a lot more

1971
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: than just There will be fallout from that decision, and

1972
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: it can potentially be catastrophic if that's the way he

1973
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: goes about it. Ideally he talks Van Felt into it

1974
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: rather than just goes down the hall and says, it's

1975
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: my decision. It may not be that easy, but you

1976
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: do have to kind of You're not making that.

1977
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: Move in a vacuum.

1978
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 1: Again, just Van, what does that mean for Van Pelton

1979
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: his future? What does that mean for macadew and McCartney,

1980
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: What does that mean for future coaches? What does that

1981
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:16,719
Speaker 1: mean in other positions?

1982
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 2: You know?

1983
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 1: Or are you going to have other coaches now? Maybe coaching,

1984
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: scared or doing things because they don't want to be

1985
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: in this spot.

1986
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 2: With Mayo, it's it's.

1987
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: Ideally, it's not a situation you want to be in

1988
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: because ideally everybody's on the same page and you're in

1989
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: a place where you can just put the kid in

1990
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, yeah, it's.

1991
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: The Tom Pelts and I don't and I'm not. I know,

1992
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm railling on him a lot today. Yeah, I just

1993
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 2: don't think he's ever going to be in a place

1994
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 2: where he thinks Drake is ready this year.

1995
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: I feel like, okay. And so there's give and take

1996
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 1: in this. You have to be realistic about what the

1997
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: organization wants. You can't if you're Alexually and Pelt allowed

1998
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: to become you versus the entire Patriots organization. And I

1999
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: would imagine at the draft there was some sort of

2000
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: conversation that was had or when Van Pelt was hired,

2001
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: even Hey, we're gonna draft somebody third overall to play quarterback.

2002
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: We expect him to play this year. We expect him

2003
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: to play. I don't know, maybe the exact date wasn't given.

2004
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 1: And I'd say the same thing for Gerd Mayo. If

2005
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: you told Alex Van Pelt, we are okay with him

2006
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 1: not playing this year. You kind of can't go and

2007
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: pull rank on him. Yeah, you kind of have to

2008
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: live in the in the bed you made with that one.

2009
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Now.

2010
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: I doubt that conversation would have happened. I don't think

2011
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: they would have completely closed the door on Drake May

2012
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 1: playing this year. In fact, I would bet they didn't

2013
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: because if that was truly their approach, there'd be a

2014
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 1: veteran buffer quarterback here, and Gerd may was very clear

2015
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: yesterday that they're not doing a buffer quarterback. And that

2016
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 1: would also go to if you want to bring Elli

2017
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: wolf into it. Elliott Wolfe totally has the ability to

2018
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: pull rank on Gerrod Mayo and say we're bringing in

2019
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: a veteran. He's the backup. Drake May is gonna be

2020
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: ineligible on game days. He's gonna be the emergency third, right,

2021
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 1: Elliot wolf has power to do that. He hasn't done it,

2022
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: so I do. I don't think if Pelt's plan is

2023
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: to not play Drake May this year, I think he's

2024
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: alone in that. Even when it comes to Elliot Wolf. Yeah,

2025
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 1: the question is just do the timelines differ? And what

2026
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:12,919
Speaker 1: was said about the plan.

2027
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 2: Going into the season. Yeah, I just I know, I

2028
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 2: just rammed a little bit. I don't know that makes sense,

2029
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 2: but I would say my mind's more than just Sorry.

2030
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: Last point, Yeah, this is where and you hate this

2031
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: and I honestly kind of hate it too, But I've

2032
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 1: gotten to the point, Well, we both started our careers

2033
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: very big on We're going to cover the football of it.

2034
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,480
Speaker 1: We're not going to cover the politics and the interpersonal

2035
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: part of it. We want to cover the ex and

2036
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: o's and we both still feel that way. This is

2037
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: one instance where I do think you have to consider them,

2038
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 1: and you do have to consider the politics of what happens.

2039
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 1: If you're Gerd Mayo, you go down the hall and

2040
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: you say, Drake's QB one deal with it?

2041
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 2: Well, why do you think that as somebody that really

2042
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 2: does want to focus on the ex's and hoss when

2043
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 2: I watch the offensive film every single week and I

2044
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 2: know what's in the garage, Like, why do you think

2045
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 2: that this is driving me crazy? Because to as a

2046
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 2: as a a football nerd, I'm just like, there's no

2047
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 2: way that Drake may is not better than this. I

2048
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 2: get that there's a bigger picture here and we all

2049
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 2: understand the bigger picture. And you remind me of the

2050
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 2: bigger picture every single day when I text you why

2051
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 2: isn't Drake may playing? But that's where it comes from,

2052
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 2: is that as a football guy, I just I know

2053
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: that Drake may is a better quarterback than Jacoby Brissett is,

2054
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 2: and that is a struggle for me and I I

2055
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 2: believe that Girod Mayo, not saying I'm Girod Mayo, but

2056
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: I believe that Girod Mayo is having the same internal

2057
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: struggle I do too.

2058
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: But now it becomes look, we so they were report

2059
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: the whole and it's obviously kind of a different situation.

2060
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: But last year what happened the head the offensive coordinator

2061
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of got isolated, Yeah, but from the rest of

2062
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. And you can go back and read

2063
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 1: the Boston Herald uh kind of report expos on how

2064
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: things went last year between Billichick and Bill O'Brien and

2065
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: the rest of the offense coaching staff like that Drake

2066
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: may or No. If you create essentially a war between

2067
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 1: Girod Mayo and Alex van Pelt, that's not good for anybody.

2068
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: That's not good for Drake, that's not good for rest

2069
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 1: of the offense. That's not good for the rest of

2070
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: the organization. So Girod Mayo kind of has to be

2071
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: diplomatic and Alex van Pelt to. I don't mean to

2072
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: keep putting on Mayo, but Mayo's said, coach, you got

2073
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,759
Speaker 1: to be diplomatic about this, and maybe you put pressure

2074
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: on Alex van Pelt without outright telling him. Honestly, the

2075
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: best thing that can happen is Drake May put pressure

2076
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: on Alex van Pelt. And I don't mean that by

2077
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: Drake May start in the mouth off. I mean go

2078
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: out there, ball out and practice. Suddenly the other players

2079
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: get talking while you see this guy starting. Because if

2080
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 1: you get the locker room to want Drake May out

2081
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: there now, the clock's ticking on Alex van Pelt no

2082
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: matter what he wants.

2083
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 2: We're not gonna that. That's based off of everything that

2084
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 2: we've heard from the coaches this week especially, but just

2085
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 2: the rumblings in general, is that he's he's been practicing

2086
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 2: pretty well.

2087
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: That's for us, And I know you want to get

2088
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: to the Niners. I'm sorry, but for the whole ten

2089
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: minutes we just spent on this, that's what it comes down. Yeah,

2090
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: when does the locker room want them to make the change?

2091
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 1: Because when that happens, then it's going to happen.

2092
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, h forty nine ers, And then there's

2093
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 2: a couple of good emails that we can wrap up.

2094
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 2: Another call too. We got, we got.

2095
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a guy you hung up on,

2096
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 1: I think you got to take it.

2097
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 2: No, it's not, but Q, if you want to call back, Q,

2098
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard me, but that was

2099
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 2: my fault. I dropped you by mistake. Anyways, forty nine ers.

2100
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 2: I do want to talk a few things about the

2101
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Do you have key matchups prepared? Did

2102
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 2: you do your homework on that or no? Yeah?

2103
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,639
Speaker 1: So I do five things now every Friday on ninety

2104
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 1: five sports dot Com. It's it's key matchups, but it's

2105
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: evolved a little bit, but I have some matchups in there.

2106
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,839
Speaker 2: People love things like lists, you know, ten observations, ten takes,

2107
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 2: just call it five.

2108
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's about the game, sometimes it's about the week

2109
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: as a whole. But I always put a couple of

2110
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: key matchups in there.

2111
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 2: Okay, so, uh, just really quickly on the forty nine ers,

2112
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 2: because unfortunately and sincerely. I really really hope Alex, that

2113
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 2: we are start doing shows soon where the matchup in

2114
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 2: that particular week actually matters like it used to. I

2115
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 2: really hope we get to that point. All of you

2116
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 2: know my love for Kyle Shanahan. I have enjoyed my week.

2117
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 2: I've had some extra time after I've had some extra

2118
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 2: time to this week. You were in a rough spot

2119
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 2: on Sunday. I've watched I watched the Vikings game, and

2120
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 2: I watched the Rams game in full on film and

2121
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 2: got to watch Kyle Shanahan's offense for like a full day,

2122
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 2: which was just not only Kyle Shanahan's offense, but also

2123
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell and se So this was just like a

2124
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 2: fever dream for me.

2125
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: I was having a blast Matt Stafford. I didn't realize

2126
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 1: you were this high on Matt Stafford.

2127
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 2: Oh God, he was cooking in that game. I'll best

2128
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,600
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the league. Yeah, I'll maybe I have some

2129
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,799
Speaker 2: Rams thoughts that I think pertain to the Patriots.

2130
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll have also get those in

2131
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 1: a few weeks.

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01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. There. Maybe I'll save him then with

2133
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. A couple of things I think

2134
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 2: are important to point out with their offense, and then

2135
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 2: I'll get to the defense too. Offensively, the number one

2136
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 2: thing that worries me about their offense is their run game.

2137
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 2: By a country mile.

2138
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: They are a stretch outside zone run game. They're really

2139
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: become most effective on outside zone toss, so instead of

2140
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: Purty actually reaching out and handing the ball off on

2141
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: the stretch action, he just tosses it out to Jordan Mason,

2142
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: and that has really been extremely effective for them. There

2143
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: are some blocks on tape of Trent Williams and George

2144
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Kittle just absolutely owning dudes in the run game. They

2145
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 1: are a very, very physical team. They are a run

2146
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: first team in some respects. They are willing to run

2147
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 1: the ball. If you don't stop the run game, they

2148
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 1: will keep running the ball on you.

2149
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 2: They are a really effective run run operations if it

2150
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 2: is still stretch. Like McVeigh has transitioned a lot more

2151
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 2: to duo and to gap, Shanahan has stuck with the

2152
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 2: stretch for the most part, so they're gonna be stretch

2153
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 2: run game. In the past, they've been notoriously play action

2154
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 2: off of stretch run. This year, they're actually only at

2155
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 2: a sixteen percent play action rate. It's the fifth lowest

2156
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 2: in the league, and they actually were pretty low in

2157
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 2: the league last year on play action. So what they're

2158
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 2: actually doing now is is cans or like a can

2159
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,640
Speaker 2: system where Brod Perdy's getting to the line of scrimmage

2160
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 2: when they give him a tell, like some sort of

2161
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 2: motion or shift pre snap to give him a coverage tell.

2162
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 2: If they have a single high coverage, then he's gonna

2163
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 2: check into a pass play. If it's too high, or

2164
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 2: if it's a good run look, then he'll just hand

2165
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 2: the ball off and run the run play. So instead

2166
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 2: of doing play action all the time, they are doing

2167
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 2: a lot more of that, like you know, at the

2168
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,599
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, we're gonna get into the right play

2169
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 2: and where he might drop that pass or we might

2170
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 2: run the football based off of your look. They're very

2171
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 2: effective at that, and that's where Party's at his best.

2172
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 2: I believe is just a field general type of stuff,

2173
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 2: like he's very good pre snap. He gets them into

2174
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 2: the right plays. We talked about that earlier with Jacob,

2175
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 2: were said, gets into the right plays. The two keys

2176
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 2: to me of stopping it. Number one penetration to this

2177
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 2: stretch game outside zone. The death of outside zone is

2178
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 2: interior penetration. If you can get your tackles up the

2179
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:27,759
Speaker 2: field and you can penetrate the badfield, then that they're

2180
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 2: longer developing. They're trying to get outside. If you get

2181
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 2: it right up through the middle and you get in

2182
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 2: up the field on them, that can be a death

2183
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 2: nil to this system. So vertical, get vertical, get up

2184
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 2: the field. Penetration on early downs is key. Brian Flores

2185
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 2: gave them a little bit of a roadmap here. They

2186
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 2: were really good in Minnesota's defense against this offense. A

2187
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. He would change the picture on

2188
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 2: Party so pre snap, Party would think it's a single

2189
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,959
Speaker 2: high coverage, you know, post safety up top on the defense,

2190
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 2: and then post snap it would rotate into his too

2191
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 2: high structure. And now he's got a pass play on

2192
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 2: into a too high defense and there's no place to

2193
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 2: go with the football. So they were really good with that.

2194
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 2: I expect the Patriots to copy that from Brian Flores.

2195
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 2: Spin the dial a little bit on Purty. Don't let

2196
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 2: the system beat you make Brock Purdy beat you make

2197
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 2: him beat you with post snap, with his processing, with

2198
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 2: his arm. It's a lot like the Patriots game plan

2199
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 2: against Jared Goff and the Super Bowl and Super Bowl

2200
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 2: fifty three, and I mean your help, but look, the

2201
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 2: injuries are going to be a massive, massive part of

2202
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 2: this game. Yeah, Kittle if he plays, will be limited.

2203
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 2: Trent Williams, if he plays, will be limited. They won't

2204
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 2: have Deebo Samuel.

2205
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: They want of Christian McCaffrey, Brandon and I don't know if

2206
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 1: you saw today, he was like, teams are playing me

2207
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 1: different this year. Yeah, dude, you're just dropping every pass. Like,

2208
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you saw of that. I

2209
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 1: actually meant to pull up his d.

2210
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 2: Get more, getting more of that number one receiver coverage,

2211
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 2: you know, because McCaffrey's out, Kittle's been banged up. Debos

2212
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:56,719
Speaker 2: now out. So my guess is that he's seen number

2213
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 2: one corners and he's seeing some tilted coverages and dire.

2214
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: Pff only hasn't for two drops. I know that's not right,

2215
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 1: because I saw him drop at least two balls in

2216
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 1: that game.

2217
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 2: You might have had some like sometimes when they're like

2218
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 2: contested drops or like tough drops a lot on the

2219
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 2: sidelines and stuff. These were these were easier drop. Anyway,

2220
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 2: I used to say this with the Patriots a lot

2221
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,799
Speaker 2: that oh hang on, here we go, advance receiving drops.

2222
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 2: They also have them for oh no, they have them

2223
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 2: for five Okay, that sounds closer I say Patriots, Like,

2224
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 2: do you remember that year I think I was seventeen,

2225
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 2: when like when Gronk put that hit on tre Davius White. Yeah,

2226
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 2: and everybody was like, just suspend them till the playoffs.

2227
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 2: It's fine, like, you know, we'll have them healthy. But

2228
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 2: they were so banged up on offense at that point.

2229
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 2: They didn't have had home in that year, and it

2230
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 2: was like, no, Like, at a certain point, the logo

2231
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 2: on the helmet doesn't mean anything. Yeah, you actually need

2232
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 2: the players to perform. That's what makes the team good.

2233
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 2: We know that. Now.

2234
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I feel about the Niners right now.

2235
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: And that's not to say they're bad. I mean, they

2236
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 1: still have a lot of good players, but the Niners

2237
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:02,680
Speaker 1: that this offense, well, they don't have CMC, they don't

2238
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: have Debo. Kittle might be playing hurt, Kittle will be

2239
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: playing hurt. Trent Williams got hurt last week, came back

2240
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: in he was on the injury report with an illness

2241
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:14,680
Speaker 1: where is he at? They're not bad, but they're not

2242
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 1: what that team was. So let's say they had the

2243
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 1: fully loaded offense right at that point, it's just hold

2244
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 1: on for dear life, and we'd be talking a lot

2245
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: more about fundamentals and just don't allow good plays to

2246
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 1: become great plays and kind and things like that, because

2247
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: there really is no matchup to pick on where they're

2248
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 1: at right now. You can, I think the Patriots do

2249
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 1: have the horses to play some more matchup football with them.

2250
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: Right You're gonna put Christians Auce on Brandon Ayuk and

2251
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of hope he takes him out there. You got

2252
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:46,679
Speaker 1: to figure out what you're gonna do against Juwan Jennings

2253
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: because they This was something we didn't talk about in

2254
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: the Jets game that where I think the Patriots did

2255
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 1: get exposed. They somehow got small at corner again and

2256
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: we thought they'd fix this. They're small on the boundary.

2257
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder when talking about this a little bit

2258
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 2: out of practice. I know he had a rough preseason,

2259
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 2: but like Marcella's dial, Isaiah bol.

2260
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: Bolden would be the guy that practice. Juwan Jennings big,

2261
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: bigger receiver. Yeah, dk Metcalt he's a big guy.

2262
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. And Bolden's played a little bit inside the slot

2263
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 2: over the summer and Juwan Jennings is going in and out.

2264
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 2: He's like his split is basically right down the middle

2265
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 2: of slot. Bolden to me just a good matchup.

2266
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: I give him a look this week, certainly, but you know,

2267
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 1: you got to figure outw you're gonna match up on him.

2268
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: But you know, if Trent Williams is out, can you

2269
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 1: use key on white pick on that matchup? Brock Purdy

2270
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 1: has a little more on his shoulders now, Like I

2271
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 1: feel like the Patriots.

2272
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 2: Will have more.

2273
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: More of an ability to pick matchups and pick spots

2274
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:44,640
Speaker 1: defensively in this game than they would otherwise because of

2275
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: all these injuries.

2276
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you make a really good point there

2277
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 2: at the end, not to like go on the whole

2278
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 2: party thing, but it does seem just the way he's

2279
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 2: been playing this year, that brock Purdy is feeling that

2280
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 2: there's more on his plate because he doesn't have all

2281
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 2: of the weapons at his disposal. So he ran the

2282
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:05,679
Speaker 2: ball ten times last week. He had ten rush attempts

2283
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 2: against the Rams. They don't that's not how they want

2284
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 2: property to play, Like Kyle Shanahan wants Rock Party to

2285
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 2: sit in the pocket and when I tell you to

2286
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,559
Speaker 2: smash be on the controller, you smash b right, Like

2287
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: that's how he wants him to play. And right now,

2288
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 2: Party is like extending plays and running and like making

2289
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 2: out his structure throws and like, I don't think that

2290
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 2: that's what they want him to do, but because of

2291
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:30,719
Speaker 2: the injuries to the playmakers, they don't really have a choice.

2292
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,640
Speaker 2: If you're the Patriots, that's the one thing that you

2293
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:36,719
Speaker 2: might be able to take advantage of is if Party's

2294
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 2: going to try to be the best athlete on the field, right,

2295
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 2: you might be able to get him sent key on

2296
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 2: white after Yeah, he might turn the ball over a

2297
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 2: couple times. That's what happened against Minnesota. He had two

2298
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:49,759
Speaker 2: turnovers in that game, one fumble in one interception because

2299
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 2: he's trying to do a little bit too much fumble problems.

2300
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: That's been a thing going back to Iowa State with him.

2301
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 1: If you can look, he rarely gets hit in the

2302
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: pocket because as a runner, he doesn't have fumble problems.

2303
01:47:58,240 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 2: Let me be clear about that.

2304
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 1: He's actually pretty good at I think sliding, getting down,

2305
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: getting out of bounds, taking care of himself. Going back

2306
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:07,440
Speaker 1: to Iowa State, he had some trouble with like stripsacks

2307
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: or just holding onto the ball through contact in the pocket.

2308
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 2: He has Trent Williams.

2309
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: He has that offensive line that hasn't been something he's

2310
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 1: dealt with a ton in the NFL. If you're the Patriots,

2311
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: you may be able to capitalize on that this week.

2312
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So moving over to the defense. Yeah, their defensive

2313
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 2: coordinator is somebody whose name I've fumbled all week long

2314
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 2: because that's how little I know of him before this week.

2315
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 2: Nick Sorenson is their defensive coordinator. He is a Pete

2316
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 2: Carroll guy. He came from the Seahawks, was there for

2317
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 2: years with Seattle. Is now in San Francisco. So he

2318
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 2: grew up in the Seattle three system, right. He grew

2319
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 2: up in the Legion of Boom and the zone in

2320
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 2: the zone system and rush four, drop seven, play cover three,

2321
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 2: play Mabel, like all that kind of stuff. Brandon Staley

2322
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 2: is also there, which I know you're gonna pick at.

2323
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's where some of these problems are

2324
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 1: coming from. To a less roster in the league and

2325
01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 1: suddenly you're one and two it's a little Matt Patricia,

2326
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, it's a little bit. It's a little Napatrischy.

2327
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 1: You were never a stately guy though, either Like, no,

2328
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 1: you admit that he's not a head coach.

2329
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 2: No, he had some good game plans defensively when he

2330
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 2: was with the Chargers. He had a really good game

2331
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 2: plan for Miami. That team started to copy like a

2332
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 2: blueprint with the Dolphins. But not in terms of like

2333
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:24,519
Speaker 2: being a head coach in the league anyways. Defensively, they

2334
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 2: have played a lot more man coverage this year. They're

2335
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,639
Speaker 2: up nine percent in terms of their man coverage rate

2336
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,680
Speaker 2: this year compared to last year. So one of the

2337
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 2: things that I do think the Patriots can exploit that

2338
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 2: the Rams did. The Rams just put two to two

2339
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:42,719
Speaker 2: at well into foot races. Run run across the field

2340
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 2: this way, and then run across the field that way,

2341
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 2: and every once in a while, we're gonna send you

2342
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 2: a vertical right, and he just ran you know, five eight,

2343
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 2: one fifty five with the four to three nine. Kind

2344
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 2: of sounds a little bit like Tomorio Douglas, right, you know,

2345
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 2: similar kind of players at Wells a little bit bigger

2346
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 2: in terms of length and like you know, just catch

2347
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:05,640
Speaker 2: radius and stuff like that, but pretty similar for the

2348
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 2: most part. So if they get them into man to

2349
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 2: man coverage, McVeigh spammed the crossers against man to man

2350
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 2: and they got him on a bunch of those you know,

2351
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 2: motion to two at well or shift to two at

2352
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 2: well late into in the in the pre snap, and

2353
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:22,519
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you snap the ball and

2354
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 2: he gets this free release and he's just running across

2355
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 2: the field against man coverage with the free release. Do

2356
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 2: some stuff like that, they but they still for the

2357
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 2: most part, are a zone defense. They still play a

2358
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 2: lot of Mabel coverage, which is a Cover three variation

2359
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 2: where the backside defender, the Richard Sherman, he's gonna be

2360
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 2: locked into the X receiver in man to man coverage

2361
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 2: and they use Fred Warner to kind of cut off

2362
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:50,639
Speaker 2: the crossers from like the passing strength. I know that's

2363
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 2: very technical, but that's that's Mabel coverage. So they still

2364
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 2: do a lot of that. They still play a lot

2365
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 2: of quarters, you know, four high across the top of

2366
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 2: the defense and that kind of stuff. But my guess

2367
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 2: is is that watching this Jets film from last week

2368
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,719
Speaker 2: and knowing the struggles the Patriots had with blitzing, with pressure,

2369
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 2: with all that kind of stuff, I would expect them

2370
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,000
Speaker 2: to try to play a lot of man like the

2371
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 2: Jets did, blitz per set a little bit and challenge

2372
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 2: these receivers on the outside to win. And I do

2373
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 2: think that McVeigh gave them some things that they can

2374
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 2: do to get Pop Douglas in particular, some opportunities. And

2375
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 2: I would also say Hunter Henry too on linebackers, like

2376
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,360
Speaker 2: they'll give their you know, Devondre Campbell got exposed in

2377
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:33,679
Speaker 2: that game. They'll put linebackers in man coverage as well.

2378
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 2: But it's Warner. I'm probably not throwing the ball that way,

2379
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 2: but it's if it's Devondre Campbell against Hunter Henry, I

2380
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 2: like that matchup.

2381
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,800
Speaker 1: I would expect them to turn up the heat. I

2382
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 1: would expect them to turn up the heat on the Patriots.

2383
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 1: Blitz them, forced Kobe to makeset, forced cover set to

2384
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 1: make decisions quickly.

2385
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:50,599
Speaker 2: See how that goes.

2386
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 1: But they're going to test the Patriots ability to pass

2387
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 1: block and just block in general. And I do you

2388
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:57,639
Speaker 1: blame them?

2389
01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:01,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I just couple of things with the run

2390
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 2: game for the Patriots we all believe. I think that

2391
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 2: they need to run the ball, and they need to

2392
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 2: get back to that identity of running the ball that

2393
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 2: they had in the first two weeks of the season.

2394
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 2: This forty nine Ers defense is giving a five and

2395
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 2: a half yards per carry against duo runs, gap double

2396
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 2: teams in the interior. Just all you're doing with duo

2397
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 2: is you're creating Usually duo teams will put like seven

2398
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 2: guys across the line of scrimmager eight guys across the

2399
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, and then you're just creating as many

2400
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:35,679
Speaker 2: double teams on the line of scrimmage as you possibly

2401
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 2: can based off of the defense as alignment. And the

2402
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,920
Speaker 2: Rams ran right over this forty nine ers front with

2403
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 2: duo just right at them, right over them. I don't

2404
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 2: think you want to go side to side against Fred

2405
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:51,600
Speaker 2: Warner and Bosa, right Like, that doesn't sound like a

2406
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 2: good idea.

2407
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 1: Don't let those Oh yeah, we're going to test what

2408
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:56,760
Speaker 1: good athletes Boson Warner are they?

2409
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what you want to be the approach, right,

2410
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 2: So running right downhill with duo at them is a

2411
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 2: way to maybe possibly run the football. I also just

2412
01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:08,720
Speaker 2: think the Patriots are best at running duo, so it

2413
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 2: kind of works out in that sense. Kind of getting

2414
01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 2: over the outside zone game if you can't tell so duo,

2415
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 2: I think is one way that they might try to

2416
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 2: do that the Browns go. The Browns won a game

2417
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 2: in with PJ Walker against this team last year with

2418
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 2: the Alex Van Pelton Stefanski coaching up PJ Walker our guy,

2419
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 2: and they ran a lot some toss stuff to the

2420
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 2: boundary instead of outside zone. They tried to hit it

2421
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 2: faster to the outside with like cracked toss schemes and

2422
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,640
Speaker 2: things like that. Those hit a little bit quicker to

2423
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,080
Speaker 2: the perimeter, so you don't let Fred Warner run over

2424
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 2: there as quickly. You know he's coming from the middle

2425
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 2: of the field, and it hits a little bit faster.

2426
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 2: So I would expect him early on in this game

2427
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:52,479
Speaker 2: to run some of those cracked toss plays or some

2428
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:55,719
Speaker 2: of those toss plays to the outside. Even if they don't.

2429
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 2: Freak out if you're the Patriots or as a fan, yeah,

2430
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 2: if those don't work, it's set up that they're gonna

2431
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 2: run it inside hopefully, right like that. That's what I'm

2432
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:09,719
Speaker 2: hoping for is the Browns also mixed in one reverse

2433
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 2: that went for an explosive in that game too, to

2434
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 2: also get something going horizontal and getting outside the tackle.

2435
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:18,680
Speaker 2: So early on in this game, I hit him with

2436
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 2: a reverse, hit him with the toss, hit him with

2437
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 2: something outside, just to get them thinking about that. And

2438
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:25,599
Speaker 2: that's when you start to run it up the middle

2439
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 2: and start to gash them up the middle. That that's

2440
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 2: what I hope is the plan. This is one of

2441
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 2: those games where Van Pelt literally has a blueprint from

2442
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 2: last year with the Browns of how to run the

2443
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:38,400
Speaker 2: football with a limited quarterback like he literally did it

2444
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:42,280
Speaker 2: a year ago. So obviously execution is big, but there

2445
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 2: is something there for them. Is there anything else on

2446
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers? I wanted to get to Bosa Bosa.

2447
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to see Trey Jacobs one on one

2448
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 2: with Nick Bosa in this game, not once, not once.

2449
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 2: Leave the tight end and over there. I'm even willing

2450
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 2: to go six a line and put two linemen on

2451
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 2: him because that it's that bad of a mismatch. If

2452
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 2: you're gonna try, if you know you're gonna try to

2453
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 2: push the ball down a field on the play, just

2454
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 2: go tackle eligible and put two linemen over him. You know,

2455
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 2: I put two guys over there. This has got to

2456
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 2: be And this is another one of those coaching staff

2457
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 2: things I'm gonna be looking for. Bill Belichick in his

2458
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 2: time with the Patriots used to have some really unique

2459
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 2: game plans for players that he thought were truly like

2460
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame elite guys.

2461
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 1: He would call them game wreckers, and Drawn Mayo used

2462
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:32,640
Speaker 1: that term today.

2463
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you remember when they played Tony Gonzalez years

2464
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 2: ago and they like jammed them. Ke to Lee was

2465
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 2: on him the entire game. Yeah, it was like it

2466
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 2: was literally like he was a gunner on special teams

2467
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 2: and they just jammed him immediately with two guys off

2468
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. That's what I'm looking at this week.

2469
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 2: Obviously in the reverse with Nick Bosa, Like you can't

2470
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,080
Speaker 2: let Nick Bosa take over this game. You just if

2471
01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 2: you do, in my opinion, going back to our whole

2472
01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 2: debate about the line versus the play calling, if you

2473
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 2: let Nick Bosa take over this game, I'm going to

2474
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 2: point the finger at the coaching I'm not going to

2475
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 2: point the finger at Trey Jacobs. It's not his fault

2476
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 2: that he can't block Nick Bosa. I'm going to point

2477
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 2: the finger at a VP and the coaching staff if

2478
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 2: that happens. Is there anything else on the on the

2479
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 2: Niners you wanted to get to you Before you take

2480
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 2: these last few things and wrap it up.

2481
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:18,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to see what happens if the Patriots are

2482
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 1: down ten to fourteen points in the fourth quarter. And

2483
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't say that's to poke the needle at you,

2484
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 1: like I really mean it. This is something that the

2485
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 1: Niners have struggled with. They struggle to close out games.

2486
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they want to close I'm sure if you're

2487
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 2: saying Drake may or you were saying that, I wasn't

2488
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 2: sure me.

2489
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 1: Well, that would be interesting if it's straight May but

2490
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:35,880
Speaker 1: because you still obviously have to score to close the gap.

2491
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Niners want to close out games throwing

2492
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 1: the ball. They don't want to close out games running

2493
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 1: the ball. That seems to be exacerbated without Christian McCaffrey.

2494
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 1: Now they don't know some of their top pass catching

2495
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 1: options either. But if you have to admit at this

2496
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 1: point it's a thing.

2497
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's between it and nine after the game Sunday.

2498
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Close out.

2499
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 1: Now, it's one thing to close out the Chiefs or

2500
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 1: the Rams. It's another thing that close out this Patriots team,

2501
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 1: but they can't close out these games. And if the

2502
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 1: Patriots keep it close, like, you have to feel good

2503
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 1: about that. If you're the Patriots, that we're in a

2504
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 1: ten point game against a team that just puked all

2505
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 1: over itself last week in this exact same.

2506
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 2: Sounds like a big deficit. But if you're down three

2507
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 2: or down one score, let's call it, then I would well.

2508
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like towards the end of the third quarter,

2509
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:22,040
Speaker 1: if it's.

2510
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,160
Speaker 2: Ten, yeah, I just don't know if the Patriots offensively,

2511
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:25,440
Speaker 2: So that's why it's different.

2512
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 1: But again, you gotta you gotta feel good about that

2513
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots, and I'll be interesting to see

2514
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 1: what happened.

2515
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 2: Like the Rams and Stafford doing it is one thing,

2516
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 2: the Patriots doing it is another. I hear.

2517
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 1: I am acknowledging that, but I'm saying, like, yeah, you know,

2518
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 1: if it's yeah, if it's a one score game going

2519
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 1: to the fourth quarter, fine.

2520
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 2: So it's a problem, and this is a first world problem,

2521
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:47,040
Speaker 2: Like they're not going to win the Super Bowl because

2522
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:50,480
Speaker 2: of this problem. But them closing out games is a problem.

2523
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 2: I know, that there probably are numbers to back you up,

2524
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 2: but they get too far away from the running game. Uh,

2525
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:00,600
Speaker 2: their their past game execution really suffers, and crunch time

2526
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 2: as well, which is my point. Run the ball.

2527
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not talking about when they're down, talking abou

2528
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: when they're up.

2529
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:06,720
Speaker 2: This is a team.

2530
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,960
Speaker 1: Remember how I came in leading into the Seahawks game

2531
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: and said, you're not gonna be able to take this

2532
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 1: team to the hill as easily as he took the

2533
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:16,200
Speaker 1: Bengals to the hill. Yeah, if the Patriots put themselves

2534
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:19,040
Speaker 1: in position, that's a big if. But if the Patriots

2535
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:22,040
Speaker 1: put themselves in position, the Niners are a team you

2536
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:23,600
Speaker 1: can absolutely take to the hill.

2537
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I

2538
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 2: can't disagree with you until he proves otherwise. It hurts me,

2539
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 2: you can tell it hurts me that I have to

2540
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:39,120
Speaker 2: be critical of Kyle Shanahan in this way. My instinct

2541
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:43,520
Speaker 2: with all this has always been that when they get

2542
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 2: into these tight games, and I'm not talking about against

2543
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots on Sunday, I'm talking about good against good teams,

2544
01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:48,440
Speaker 2: but I'm.

2545
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 1: Saying, if you're the Patriots, like you have to have

2546
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 1: that approach of like, these guys can be had in

2547
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:54,760
Speaker 1: this situation, Yeah, regardless of if the teams that had

2548
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:55,400
Speaker 1: them are better than you.

2549
01:58:55,640 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just in general though, like talking about the Chiefs

2550
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl right rams last week, like these

2551
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 2: types of games sometimes, what I feel like with the

2552
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 2: forty nine ers and why I get on brock party

2553
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 2: in defense of Kyle Shanahan is because in order to

2554
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 2: win the games at the highest level, again not the

2555
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 2: Patriots on Sunday, but the Super Bowl last year, in

2556
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 2: order to win the game at the highest level against

2557
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes and that the bully that

2558
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 2: is Kansas City right now, you need to have a

2559
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 2: quarterback and have a passing game that rises to that occasion,

2560
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 2: like the Super Bowl. First time they lost in the

2561
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:40,320
Speaker 2: Super Bowl to the Chiefs with Kyle Shanahan, it's Jimmy

2562
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 2: Garoppolo overthrowing Emmanuel Sanders for a walk in touchdown. This

2563
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 2: Super Bowl last year, it's the blitz packages from Spagnolo

2564
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 2: that get to party and he's Frazzles.

2565
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 1: Goes back to my point, why can't you just run

2566
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 1: the ball and kill the clock. You don't need a

2567
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 1: passing game. You need a pass game to get there

2568
01:59:58,640 --> 01:59:59,480
Speaker 1: and get that lead?

2569
02:00:00,200 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 2: How many of like? And I don't want to go ten,

2570
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, twelve rounds with you about Kyle Shanahan. But

2571
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:07,600
Speaker 2: it is forty nine ers week, so we have the

2572
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 2: house or what the people want?

2573
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:09,680
Speaker 5: Uh.

2574
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 2: The biggest thing I would say about that, though, is

2575
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:16,560
Speaker 2: that a lot of these things happen and it's like,

2576
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 2: what are you on third and eight? You want him

2577
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 2: to run the ball, Like a lot of these.

2578
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:22,720
Speaker 1: Things this great running attack. Why are they getting a

2579
02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:24,280
Speaker 1: third and eight? They're getting the third and eight.

2580
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 2: Because the other team gets paid too well.

2581
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:29,280
Speaker 1: No, but a lot of it is either incomplete passes.

2582
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:31,480
Speaker 1: They're throwing the ball in their sacks and there's penalties

2583
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:36,240
Speaker 1: and things like that. They don't run the ball when

2584
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:38,680
Speaker 1: they should late as much as they should late in

2585
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:41,879
Speaker 1: these games, the clock is a non factor Kyle Shanahan.

2586
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,680
Speaker 1: It seems like to me his philosophy is just score

2587
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 1: as many points as possible.

2588
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 2: Period.

2589
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:49,360
Speaker 1: And that's not to say NFL teams shouldn't be trying

2590
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:54,160
Speaker 1: to score points. But if you're up two scores and

2591
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,720
Speaker 1: get you have a chance to take two and a

2592
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:59,040
Speaker 1: half minutes off the clock with five minutes to go,

2593
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:03,360
Speaker 1: scoring points is not the most important thing in that moment,

2594
02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: and that is what I think escapes them.

2595
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 2: My third and eight.

2596
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 1: Honestly, in some of these situations, and I said this

2597
02:01:09,200 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, maybe run it. Maybe picking up

2598
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:15,600
Speaker 1: you also have an all world defense over there. Maybe

2599
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:18,200
Speaker 1: if it is. And they did this last week. They

2600
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:20,680
Speaker 1: threw like a deep pass on a third I don't

2601
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:22,520
Speaker 1: remember the exact situation, but they do it. They threw

2602
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:25,360
Speaker 1: a d pass on a third down late in the

2603
02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:28,240
Speaker 1: game when it's like if you run the ball here,

2604
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:30,320
Speaker 1: even if you don't get the first they either have

2605
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,960
Speaker 1: to take a time out or it was under three

2606
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:36,040
Speaker 1: minutes to go, Like they're putting themselves seriously up against

2607
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:38,480
Speaker 1: it and getting down the field for this last score.

2608
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,560
Speaker 1: And this is where we disagree. I think your philosophy

2609
02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:43,840
Speaker 1: is just light up the scoreboard and all that and

2610
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:47,720
Speaker 1: control the ball. My philosophy in that moment is take

2611
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 1: the time off the clock may put put them. You're

2612
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:53,400
Speaker 1: putting yourself in an uncomfortable spot. Trying to pick up

2613
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:55,360
Speaker 1: a third and eight is an uncomfortable spot.

2614
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,080
Speaker 2: At some point you have to play the clock.

2615
02:01:57,240 --> 02:01:59,000
Speaker 1: You can you can flip it on them and maybe

2616
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:00,720
Speaker 1: maybe you're not gonna get it, but if you accept,

2617
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 1: we're probably not gonna pick this up. But we can

2618
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 1: make them go down the field with either one less

2619
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:08,040
Speaker 1: timeout or forty less seconds on the clock. I'll put

2620
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 1: the onus on them to be uncomfortable. And I just

2621
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:13,240
Speaker 1: don't think Kyle Shannyan believes in that approach, and it

2622
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:16,120
Speaker 1: continues to cost him, and unless he's willing to invest

2623
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:18,919
Speaker 1: in a truly elite quarterback, it is going to continue

2624
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:19,440
Speaker 1: to cost him.

2625
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. I

2626
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:25,320
Speaker 2: can't I can't run away from from the fact that

2627
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:27,520
Speaker 2: they keep on choking games late in the game. It's

2628
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:32,400
Speaker 2: it's just a fact. The thing with with Shanahan is that,

2629
02:02:32,840 --> 02:02:36,560
Speaker 2: And to your point, when they sometimes he goes for

2630
02:02:36,640 --> 02:02:39,960
Speaker 2: the haymaker, like he goes for the knockout punch. He

2631
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 2: did it it all going all the way back to

2632
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:45,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty one against the Patriots, yep, where he's

2633
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 2: throwing the ball in those positions because they were what

2634
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:51,760
Speaker 2: right before the sack that kicked that sacked them out

2635
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,520
Speaker 2: of field goal range. Julio Jones makes the catch on

2636
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 2: the sideline, the insane catch that he makes on the sideline.

2637
02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:59,960
Speaker 2: They're in field goal range and all they have to

2638
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:02,400
Speaker 2: do is run the ball and just kick a field goal,

2639
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:03,880
Speaker 2: and I think they would have gone up like ten

2640
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 2: points or something like that, ten points like fourn A score. Right.

2641
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:10,760
Speaker 2: He goes for the knockout and matt Ryan takes a

2642
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 2: sack and a sack that pushes them out a field

2643
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 2: goal range. I think there was a holding call in

2644
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 2: there on Jake Matthews too. The same thing happens in

2645
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 2: the next Super Bowl against the Chiefs, where he goes

2646
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:28,400
Speaker 2: for the knockout punch, He calls a deep pass, gets

2647
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:32,280
Speaker 2: a wide open Emmanuel Sanders, and Jimmy G misses a throw. Now,

2648
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:35,320
Speaker 2: an apologist for Shanahan like me, is gonna sit here

2649
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:38,440
Speaker 2: and say, well, if Jimmy G didn't stink, then they

2650
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 2: would have scored a touchdown there and they would have

2651
02:03:40,440 --> 02:03:41,200
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl.

2652
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 1: And I will say, who made Jimmy G the starting

2653
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:47,600
Speaker 1: quarterback and who decided to let him throw in that situation?

2654
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 2: There we go that this is our delight. That's what

2655
02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:51,720
Speaker 2: it comes down to.

2656
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:55,160
Speaker 1: The game the other day, By the way I found

2657
02:03:55,160 --> 02:03:56,640
Speaker 1: the play, it wasn't even a third and long.

2658
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 2: It was a third and one, so I don't know

2659
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:00,960
Speaker 2: which play. We might be talking about two different plays

2660
02:04:01,200 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 2: the game. The other day they called a pass play.

2661
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:06,840
Speaker 2: I believe it was third down or it was it

2662
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:08,920
Speaker 2: might have just been late in the game and it

2663
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,120
Speaker 2: could have basically a first down would have ended the

2664
02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:16,240
Speaker 2: game effectively. And he called a pass play, and the

2665
02:04:16,720 --> 02:04:19,080
Speaker 2: I think it was. Is it David Bell like one?

2666
02:04:19,320 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 2: Here it is?

2667
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 1: I found it, So it's Ronnie Bell Sonny. They they

2668
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:26,000
Speaker 1: get the they pick up a first down on a

2669
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,440
Speaker 1: traces the two minute warning. Okay, so they the the

2670
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:31,920
Speaker 1: Rams kicked the field goal to get within three. The

2671
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 1: Niners get the ball back with one fifty one to go,

2672
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:38,480
Speaker 1: so the two minute warning is gone. Yeah, the two

2673
02:04:38,520 --> 02:04:41,400
Speaker 1: minute warning has gone. The Rams have one time out left.

2674
02:04:41,680 --> 02:04:45,800
Speaker 1: Here's what they do, pass play Brock Party Scramble, goes

2675
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:48,440
Speaker 1: out of bounds. Well that's about that's okay, but they

2676
02:04:48,440 --> 02:04:52,920
Speaker 1: call he called a pass play pass play complete to

2677
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:58,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Nyuk. Pass play incomplete short left, Brandon Nyuk, pass

2678
02:04:58,520 --> 02:05:02,320
Speaker 1: play deep right, Ronnie l on second and ten. On

2679
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:05,520
Speaker 1: the third and ten, they call another pass play Party scrambles.

2680
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:07,680
Speaker 1: This time he goes down and bounds the Rams use

2681
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:10,520
Speaker 1: their final time out. If you just run the ball there,

2682
02:05:12,040 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 1: game's over.

2683
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:15,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so the game's over or sorry, So I think

2684
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:17,760
Speaker 2: the game is the game is Also that's when it

2685
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:18,240
Speaker 2: was tied.

2686
02:05:18,360 --> 02:05:20,040
Speaker 1: That's when it so they weren't down, that's when it

2687
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:21,600
Speaker 1: was tied. So he's trying to go down the field

2688
02:05:21,600 --> 02:05:23,080
Speaker 1: to kick the winning field goal. But at a certain

2689
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:25,680
Speaker 1: point he'd understand, like, we can't give the ball back.

2690
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:30,120
Speaker 2: So Ronnie Bell, the wide receiver, is why they open

2691
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:34,040
Speaker 2: in on that throw. Perdy puts it on his hands

2692
02:05:34,120 --> 02:05:38,000
Speaker 2: and the dude drops the ball, yeap. And because it's

2693
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:40,560
Speaker 2: the same thing as the Emmanuel Sanders overthrow, right Like,

2694
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:43,320
Speaker 2: it's the same thing as as all these other instances

2695
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:46,840
Speaker 2: where someone who's team Shanahan like me can sit here

2696
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 2: and say, well, if the cock the receiver just catches

2697
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 2: the ball, then we're not talking about this. And you

2698
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:53,880
Speaker 2: are saying, well, why make the receiver catch the ball?

2699
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:56,160
Speaker 1: Right they it's just don't put yourself in that situation.

2700
02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 1: The receivers keep not catching the ball. Julio Jones made

2701
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:02,160
Speaker 1: that unbelieve once in a lifetime catch, and it's like

2702
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan saw that and said, this will happen every

2703
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:06,080
Speaker 1: time the dude.

2704
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:09,640
Speaker 2: The dude's unlucky. That's what you're saying. That's okay. We

2705
02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:13,040
Speaker 2: make our own luck in this world. His luckill, crew, We.

2706
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 1: Make our own luck in this world. Evan, all right,

2707
02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 1: so does Kyle Shannon.

2708
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 2: Let's take Mark's call and then we got to get

2709
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 2: out of here. Mark, what's going on? How you doing?

2710
02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:21,360
Speaker 3: Hey?

2711
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:21,640
Speaker 6: You guys.

2712
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:23,720
Speaker 5: Always appreciated you guys taking my call.

2713
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:24,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

2714
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:29,960
Speaker 5: So I was on with Mike Reese the other day

2715
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:32,240
Speaker 5: on ninety eight five in Sports so and I got

2716
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:35,080
Speaker 5: some good intel on him on a kid that I'm

2717
02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:37,960
Speaker 5: really interested in, Caleb Jones.

2718
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:39,480
Speaker 6: I said, you.

2719
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:42,920
Speaker 5: Can't teach side. The kid's a left tackle. I'm wondering,

2720
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:44,760
Speaker 5: why isn't he out there? He's been on the team

2721
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:46,640
Speaker 5: now for a couple of weeks. So we picked up

2722
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:49,080
Speaker 5: off the wave a wire and the only thing I

2723
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:50,800
Speaker 5: can think of is his feet work?

2724
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,560
Speaker 6: You know, what is it about this kid?

2725
02:06:53,600 --> 02:06:55,480
Speaker 5: And I figured i'd ask you, Weven, because you're at

2726
02:06:55,480 --> 02:06:57,800
Speaker 5: practice all the time. I mean, is this kid legit?

2727
02:06:57,920 --> 02:06:58,840
Speaker 6: Like he's got the five?

2728
02:06:59,000 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 4: Why isn't he out there?

2729
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:04,080
Speaker 2: Uh? Because he just has size? Mark and I don't

2730
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:06,360
Speaker 2: mean to be snarky with you, and thank you so

2731
02:07:06,440 --> 02:07:10,840
Speaker 2: much for the call. But he's he's a big body,

2732
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:14,440
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. Other than that, on tape,

2733
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 2: he doesn't show much outside of just being Trent Brown massive.

2734
02:07:20,040 --> 02:07:23,840
Speaker 2: You know, like I get it, we all it's I

2735
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:26,800
Speaker 2: made the joke the other day. It's it's like an eclipse, right,

2736
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:30,520
Speaker 2: you just think, just put big dude in front of quarterback. Right.

2737
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:33,920
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to pick on Mark. I understand

2738
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:37,400
Speaker 2: where the philosophy, but on film he doesn't show much.

2739
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:39,360
Speaker 1: You're talking to somebody who wanted to see tackle fall

2740
02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:41,080
Speaker 1: get a lot more minutes for the Boston Celtics a

2741
02:07:41,120 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 1: few years ago. Because he can't teach size. You're you're

2742
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:46,040
Speaker 1: big on that in basketball, you can't, Yeah, you can't

2743
02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:49,040
Speaker 1: your rebound like put the seven foot three guy under

2744
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:50,720
Speaker 1: the hoop basketballs.

2745
02:07:51,320 --> 02:07:53,640
Speaker 2: It must. It must drive you nuts that Christaps Porzingis

2746
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:55,120
Speaker 2: hangs out of the three point line. It must.

2747
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 1: I severely underestimated Chris tops porzing is his game because

2748
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I realized earlier he was as good exactly,

2749
02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:04,320
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was as good on No ideally

2750
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:05,880
Speaker 1: you get a seven to three guy that can do everything.

2751
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:07,640
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how well rounded his game was.

2752
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:08,440
Speaker 2: He can do everything.

2753
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:12,320
Speaker 1: When it comes to Caleb Jones, like would I maybe

2754
02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:15,200
Speaker 1: try him against or would I maybe try him over

2755
02:08:15,240 --> 02:08:18,040
Speaker 1: trade Jacobs because of that size, there's an argument to

2756
02:08:18,040 --> 02:08:19,680
Speaker 1: be made now this week, I think it's more about

2757
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:21,879
Speaker 1: speed than size when you're facing a guy like Bosa,

2758
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:22,720
Speaker 1: and I.

2759
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:27,080
Speaker 2: Thought trade Jacobs athletically, Trade Jacobs reminds me, and I

2760
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:30,920
Speaker 2: know this is not like trying to keep it realistic.

2761
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:33,840
Speaker 2: He reminds me a little bit of Calvin Anderson, just

2762
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:36,440
Speaker 2: in terms of his athleticism and like that. Yeah, he

2763
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:39,080
Speaker 2: moves well, like that's sort of like the call mark

2764
02:08:39,120 --> 02:08:39,720
Speaker 2: of his game.

2765
02:08:40,240 --> 02:08:40,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

2766
02:08:40,840 --> 02:08:42,880
Speaker 1: And he bought had some really nice box in the

2767
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 1: preseason in space, you know, getting out in front of

2768
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:47,760
Speaker 1: runs and that that's what you need in the game

2769
02:08:47,800 --> 02:08:49,840
Speaker 1: this week, specifically against the forty nine ers. You know,

2770
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:52,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to see I will admit I would like

2771
02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:53,600
Speaker 1: to see Caleb Jones get a chance.

2772
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not if Fiderian Low is healthy.

2773
02:08:57,400 --> 02:08:59,320
Speaker 1: And this is a tough matchup for him because he's big,

2774
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:00,720
Speaker 1: But that's kind he's big.

2775
02:09:00,920 --> 02:09:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of the practice squad guys. They have

2776
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:08,440
Speaker 2: been traveling a handful of practice squad guys every single week.

2777
02:09:08,720 --> 02:09:11,320
Speaker 2: Some of that might be injury protection, there's no doubt

2778
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,520
Speaker 2: about that, but there's also some guys that have just

2779
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:15,240
Speaker 2: been traveling in general.

2780
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,400
Speaker 1: And that can be they want guys staying. You know,

2781
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:19,120
Speaker 1: this is what it's like on a game day. This

2782
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:22,080
Speaker 1: is our operation because they want those guys, especially this year.

2783
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:23,960
Speaker 1: We have so many road games early there's not a

2784
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:26,800
Speaker 1: ton of chances to see it. Okay, I didn't mean

2785
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:28,240
Speaker 1: to cut you off, but I assume what you were

2786
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna say. Caleb Jones is one of these guys who's

2787
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:32,480
Speaker 1: been traveling. Yeah, that tells me that they are invested

2788
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:35,520
Speaker 1: in his development, where Like it's not off the table

2789
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:36,520
Speaker 1: that he plays at some point.

2790
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's a be all end all

2791
02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:42,240
Speaker 2: answer it left. Yeah, Caleb Jones, I know Brian Hudson,

2792
02:09:42,280 --> 02:09:46,200
Speaker 2: Mike Reeves reported what traveled with the team, Joe Giles, Harris,

2793
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:49,920
Speaker 2: Kevin Harris, like these those guys have been traveling a

2794
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 2: decent amount from the practice squad to the point where,

2795
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:55,000
Speaker 2: you know, I don't get any tips of who's being

2796
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 2: elevated because there's too many guys. So you know, that's

2797
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:03,360
Speaker 2: that's what's going on at that I just really quickly

2798
02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:05,880
Speaker 2: is one last question and then we're gonna wrap it

2799
02:10:05,960 --> 02:10:08,320
Speaker 2: up here. I've been going for like two hours. Might

2800
02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:09,920
Speaker 2: be like the longest show we've done. I know, I know,

2801
02:10:09,960 --> 02:10:11,920
Speaker 2: but I think this is a good question. This is

2802
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:17,080
Speaker 2: from Brian. Uh. He says that he understands that people

2803
02:10:17,120 --> 02:10:23,640
Speaker 2: are tiptoeing around the David Andrews drop off. I use

2804
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:26,200
Speaker 2: that term. I don't. I don't know if I want to,

2805
02:10:26,360 --> 02:10:29,480
Speaker 2: but I did because of who didn't you know, consummate

2806
02:10:29,560 --> 02:10:33,080
Speaker 2: pro veteran guy gonna be in the Patriots Hall of Fame.

2807
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:37,800
Speaker 2: I would assume someday a really good player for this team. Uh,

2808
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:42,800
Speaker 2: but you know, he Brian says, don't be afraid to

2809
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 2: talk about the fact that he hasn't played as well

2810
02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:50,800
Speaker 2: this season. His past protection has dropped off a little bit.

2811
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:55,000
Speaker 2: These last two years really started last year where he's

2812
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:57,640
Speaker 2: dropped off in pass pro. He still grades out really

2813
02:10:57,640 --> 02:11:00,680
Speaker 2: well in the run game, but pro has been a

2814
02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:03,520
Speaker 2: little bit down. I would say the last two years

2815
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:07,080
Speaker 2: the one defense because you got a defending guy like Dkay,

2816
02:11:07,480 --> 02:11:09,680
Speaker 2: the one defense I would say with David Andrews is

2817
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:12,800
Speaker 2: that if he had stable guard play right, Like, how

2818
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:14,640
Speaker 2: much of this is that David Andrews is in the

2819
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:16,720
Speaker 2: middle of this line and just holding on for here.

2820
02:11:16,680 --> 02:11:19,680
Speaker 1: He asked to do so much. Yea, Look, I'm not

2821
02:11:19,680 --> 02:11:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna say he's the player who was in his prime.

2822
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:21,760
Speaker 2: He's not.

2823
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, there has been a notable

2824
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:28,400
Speaker 1: dip there. But I let's see him in the again,

2825
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:30,280
Speaker 1: Let's see him with actual talent around him.

2826
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, if he has like City and Anu right

2827
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:35,640
Speaker 2: next to him for like eight games down the stretch

2828
02:11:35,720 --> 02:11:39,440
Speaker 2: this year and they aren't a good interior, then I

2829
02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:43,080
Speaker 2: would start to have questions about you're drafting his successor,

2830
02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:45,680
Speaker 2: which I would probably do that anyway. But yeah, Yeah.

2831
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:49,320
Speaker 1: The other thing about David Andrews, which is I don't

2832
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:51,120
Speaker 1: want to say it's a reason not to criticize him,

2833
02:11:51,160 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 1: but almost makes his performance a moot point. Yeah, they

2834
02:11:54,720 --> 02:11:57,080
Speaker 1: don't have another center on the roster now, but Brian

2835
02:11:57,120 --> 02:12:00,200
Speaker 1: Hudson might be their backup center. Bryan Hudson, who is

2836
02:12:00,280 --> 02:12:02,560
Speaker 1: a rookie who's never played an NFL game, who we

2837
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:04,520
Speaker 1: don't really know about, wasn't with the team in camp

2838
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:08,560
Speaker 1: and Nick Leverett who's guard. So even if David Andrews

2839
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:12,520
Speaker 1: isn't playing well, it's gonna have to be really, really

2840
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:14,680
Speaker 1: ugly before it becomes worthwhile to make a change. And

2841
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:17,760
Speaker 1: again that's not necessarily in defense of him. Maybe goes

2842
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:19,080
Speaker 1: back to Elliott Wolf again, but.

2843
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, about time with knowing what is David Andrews' fault

2844
02:12:25,160 --> 02:12:27,960
Speaker 2: and what is it the fault of you know, he's

2845
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:30,760
Speaker 2: got a rookie guard on run side and Laden Robinson

2846
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 2: he's got a revolving door or like a practice squad

2847
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:35,960
Speaker 2: elevation at left guard, and we did like, well, how

2848
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:38,400
Speaker 2: much of it is just that the line is a mess,

2849
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:39,680
Speaker 2: and how much of it is d and.

2850
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:42,160
Speaker 1: We and we and again we have an opportunity to say,

2851
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:44,520
Speaker 1: even if it is Andrews and I I generally default

2852
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:47,240
Speaker 1: to saying, you know, if there's a miscommunication, I assume

2853
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:49,800
Speaker 1: David Andrews was right, and I think he's earned that right.

2854
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:52,600
Speaker 1: But even if he is struggling, you know, we can

2855
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:54,080
Speaker 1: look at We could look at Chukes of Corp for

2856
02:12:54,120 --> 02:12:56,320
Speaker 1: it and say, okay, play and play Caden Walls. We

2857
02:12:56,360 --> 02:13:00,800
Speaker 1: can look at it at Leidon Robinson struggling and say Okay,

2858
02:13:00,920 --> 02:13:01,520
Speaker 1: City Soul.

2859
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:02,680
Speaker 2: Will come back or play Michael Jordan.

2860
02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:07,880
Speaker 1: You really can't do that with David Andrews because maybe

2861
02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 1: if Jake Andrews was healthy, but he's not, so you

2862
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:11,360
Speaker 1: can't have that conversation.

2863
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:13,920
Speaker 2: We're leaven with the date we brought on that one.

2864
02:13:14,120 --> 02:13:16,560
Speaker 2: He's the center and then we're going I don't feel

2865
02:13:16,560 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 2: it's not a bad center.

2866
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:19,840
Speaker 1: No, And I don't fault them for that. Everybody knows

2867
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:22,280
Speaker 1: how I feel about the left tackle situation. Yeah, that

2868
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:25,440
Speaker 1: one's coming from a mile away. I don't fault them

2869
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:26,920
Speaker 1: for trying to bank on. If I'm going to bank

2870
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:29,760
Speaker 1: on a guide, I'll go down banking on David Andrews.

2871
02:13:29,800 --> 02:13:32,120
Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. I'll sleep fine at

2872
02:13:32,200 --> 02:13:34,200
Speaker 1: night knowing I put my trust in that guy.

2873
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we just went two plus hours. I think

2874
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:40,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna because how could we not get bogged down

2875
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:41,960
Speaker 2: by a Kyle shanahana baby.

2876
02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:45,680
Speaker 1: We didn't even get into you being a Morgan Wallen fan.

2877
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:48,120
Speaker 2: Now, I don't even know why that's a thing, because

2878
02:13:48,120 --> 02:13:50,680
Speaker 2: I said I liked one song.

2879
02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 1: Guy, No, that's not how you said it. You're you're

2880
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:55,120
Speaker 1: you're I'm constructing the tape.

2881
02:13:55,200 --> 02:13:58,160
Speaker 2: I I in my older age, my music taste is

2882
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:03,320
Speaker 2: shifting slightly, and nowadays I want some like chill music

2883
02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:06,560
Speaker 2: to listen to. And uh, post Malone is now a

2884
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:09,920
Speaker 2: country singer. Apparently, I feel a little bit better about

2885
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:12,560
Speaker 2: listening to post Malone because it's rap adjacent, because he

2886
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:14,640
Speaker 2: used to be a hip hop artist. So I feel

2887
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:16,400
Speaker 2: it a little bit. So you're dipping your.

2888
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:19,320
Speaker 1: Toe in and that's fine. And I'm sitting here offering

2889
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:21,440
Speaker 1: to help you on this journey. You say you want

2890
02:14:21,480 --> 02:14:21,920
Speaker 1: chill music.

2891
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm more than.

2892
02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:26,200
Speaker 1: Help me, help you, evan, help me help you only

2893
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:27,120
Speaker 1: go on post Malone.

2894
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:29,800
Speaker 2: See you say that, but you would have never even.

2895
02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:32,480
Speaker 1: Gone post Malone a year ago. And now you're just

2896
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:35,760
Speaker 1: just I'm here. I'm here when you're ready to talk, Okay.

2897
02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:37,760
Speaker 1: I will help you on this journey. I will help

2898
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:40,560
Speaker 1: open up a whole new musical world for you. Morgan Walland,

2899
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:44,520
Speaker 1: by the way, is a pretty extreme what way her cultured?

2900
02:14:44,720 --> 02:14:48,240
Speaker 2: In that one song I can post to, I do

2901
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:50,400
Speaker 2: not I think you did. I think you did. You

2902
02:14:50,440 --> 02:14:53,240
Speaker 2: were surprised by what you I listened to? What's like

2903
02:14:53,320 --> 02:14:56,880
Speaker 2: his other big hit, The Couple? I don't know? I

2904
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:59,680
Speaker 2: don't listen to Morgan Wallen. There was one I listened

2905
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 2: to that.

2906
02:15:00,680 --> 02:15:02,720
Speaker 1: As long as it wasn't Cover Me Up because that.

2907
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:06,000
Speaker 2: You know me though, I'm like, I like to my

2908
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:09,360
Speaker 2: guilty pleasure is like top forty pop music, like you know,

2909
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:12,160
Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift like that. That's my guilty pleasure and

2910
02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:16,840
Speaker 2: I'm I'll admit it. And if Morgan Wallin's on the

2911
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:20,280
Speaker 2: Spotify Top forty playlist and I do listen to that, Okay.

2912
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:22,480
Speaker 1: If you're gonna listen to cover Me Up, listen listen

2913
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:25,520
Speaker 1: to Jason Isbell version and maybe maybe there's a little

2914
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:27,480
Speaker 1: more depth there than you realize. Maybe you go beyond

2915
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:29,280
Speaker 1: the top forty, you find something you like when you're

2916
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:32,360
Speaker 1: ready to have that conversation. I'm here, it's all I'm saying.

2917
02:15:32,240 --> 02:15:34,200
Speaker 2: One last thing about this and then we really have

2918
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:38,760
Speaker 2: to go. Uh, Sabrina Carpenter doesn't do it for me.

2919
02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:41,960
Speaker 2: You know, I'm like a big girl music artist like

2920
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:44,560
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande back in the day, Taylor Swift. I'll listen

2921
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:47,400
Speaker 2: to that kind of stuff. I really don't see it.

2922
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:50,360
Speaker 1: There's just that one song, Espresso that's everywhere that I've heard. Yeah,

2923
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:53,120
Speaker 1: I get why she's popular. Not my thing, but I

2924
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:56,360
Speaker 1: totally like she's incredibly talented. I very much understand why

2925
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:58,160
Speaker 1: she's popular, A ton of respect for her music.

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