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Speaker 1: we're going to take a look at the remaining free agents.
Speaker 1: Who's left on the market.
Speaker 3: Not a lot of guys, not a lot, not a
Speaker 3: lot of guys.
Speaker 1: Intel and new sort of rumors around some of the
Speaker 1: restricted freegin guys. We'll get into that. We'll also have
Speaker 1: some fun by drafting the worst NBA nicknames of all time.
Speaker 1: We'll do five rounds of I guess crappy nicknames.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of bad nicknames. I know a lot
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah there is, But I gotta know, did anything happen
Speaker 1: while I was away in Croatia on vacation.
Speaker 3: Any big news. You saw the Jani Broom salary dump.
Speaker 2: Do you see that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, spot cleared for KCP on the Sixers.
Speaker 3: That was their big move. That was six year that's
Speaker 3: all they did. Okay, they made a couple of moves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was fun to see you guys.
Speaker 1: I guess we worked out timing wise for you after
Speaker 1: you did that Friday Drop podcast. Yeah, and what tray
Speaker 1: you said, like twenty twenty five minutes after you had
Speaker 1: wrapped up, here comes the Lebron news perfect seventy six ers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're all.
Speaker 2: Here, thanks Lebron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nice of them, and it was well
Speaker 1: it was a sham's tweet, it was, but also some
Speaker 1: other tweets exact that they had obviously choreographed.
Speaker 3: He hasn't podcasted about it yet, though, has he no
Speaker 3: think upset upset alert?
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy. That was very fun to find out over
Speaker 1: on the other side of the world. It was weird.
Speaker 1: One of those weird things where I'm like get the
Speaker 1: news and I'm like, looking around, is anybody else reacting
Speaker 1: here at the beach club I met they were all
Speaker 1: waiting for nobody cared, I guess nobody was on their phone,
Speaker 1: but I was excited to get your coverage, guys, and
Speaker 1: you did a great job. Not really a ton to
Speaker 1: add you guys already went through like how he's gonna
Speaker 1: fit offensively, can they hold up defensively, all the other things.
Speaker 1: But I gotta say pumped as an East Coast guy
Speaker 1: that on our side for those early start times. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's fun. But man, that was a swerve. It was
Speaker 1: a swarf. As you guys addressed and everybody's addressed, I
Speaker 1: think him going to Philadelphia quite lower on the list
Speaker 1: of the options because like you're like like all the
Speaker 1: other ones felt like, I guess the best way to
Speaker 1: put is like easier options, Like you could go to
Speaker 1: Golden State and just golf with your buddy. Yeah, that'd
Speaker 1: be sort of fun. Get the little Team USA match
Speaker 1: up him and Curry again. You could just go to Miami,
Speaker 1: let Yanna and Bam carry the defensive burden and you
Speaker 1: sort of slot in there. You could obviously just go
Speaker 1: back to Cleveland. It'd be like the lowest stakes of
Speaker 1: all time. Really, I mean, it would be like just
Speaker 1: the Swan song.
Speaker 3: But said he goes Philly yeah, I mean he will. Obviously,
Speaker 3: he wanted to sign with the Knicks, but the next
Speaker 3: won the championship, so he's like, I'll do the next
Speaker 3: best thing. I'll still live in New York and I'll
Speaker 3: help break your curse for a team.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna try and do here, uh, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be fun. Obviously. It makes an
Speaker 1: already exciting offseason even more exciting with all the movement
Speaker 1: here in Philadelphia now suddenly as like, I guess a contender, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting Jill and Brown is on the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Soty six Ers.
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm sure he loves that. Yeah, it's very, very weird.
Speaker 1: So we'll see if Lebron can do what no player's
Speaker 1: ever done before and try and lead a fourth team,
Speaker 1: uh to a fourth championship obviously four different franchises, I guess,
Speaker 1: yeah like that. Yeah, that's got to be a part
Speaker 1: of the thinking too, right, I guess as he chased
Speaker 1: the ghosts of Michael.
Speaker 3: Does that mean anything to you winning now? No, but
Speaker 3: it's on different teams. Not to me, really, that means like, oh,
Speaker 3: you've jumped to a lot of teams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean much to me either, when
Speaker 4: we're all having this discussion in our chats, has there
Speaker 4: been any guy who's done it with four teams? It's
Speaker 4: not one of those things that just weighs on your
Speaker 4: mind when it comes to sports really or basketball specifically.
Speaker 2: Who's done it? To me?
Speaker 4: As you slipped in there leads a fourth team? I
Speaker 4: think that's important here. He's going to a team where
Speaker 4: he's going to be looked at as a bit of
Speaker 4: a leader instead of going with Steph Curry. Like Draymond
Speaker 4: Green just sat on his podcast, I understand why it
Speaker 4: didn't come to Golden State. Didn't want to be a
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant. I agree with Draymond Green and his podcast
Speaker 4: take and that part of it. And Philly just hasn't won.
Speaker 4: So is he going to be the best player playing
Speaker 4: with Jalen Brown and Tyr's Max and Joelmby debatable, but
Speaker 4: it's at least it's a debate. That's a big part
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your opinion finally before we move
Speaker 1: on from Lebron because there's been a lot of that talk.
Speaker 1: In his post to X He's said he was like
Speaker 1: grappling with basketball mortality, here at the end of his
Speaker 1: last season, the twenty five to twenty six campaign, and
Speaker 1: he said, I thought I was done when the season ended.
Speaker 1: Do you buy that at all?
Speaker 2: No? No, okay, I never.
Speaker 3: Thought Lebron was retiring last season, literally never.
Speaker 1: So he's just straight up lying.
Speaker 3: He's I think it's called controlling the narrative when Lebron
Speaker 3: does it.
Speaker 4: You, Yeah, I don't buy that he thought he was done.
Speaker 4: I mean when he stepped off the court, did he think,
Speaker 4: oh man, this could be it, like for a minute,
Speaker 4: maybe right, all right, right, depends on how you look
Speaker 4: at it. But as far as the narrative goes, we
Speaker 4: just alluded to it was just four tweets, Like he
Speaker 4: didn't go all out a guy who we think will
Speaker 4: enjoy his last year getting every single ovation in every
Speaker 4: single arena, just four tweets. Well, you know, collabing with
Speaker 4: tops or whatever.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a brand deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he sold four hundred thousand cards instantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he's also making a documentary. Yeah, that was
Speaker 3: not the only time we're gonna hear about Lebron joining
Speaker 3: the Sixers. I don't think that's true.
Speaker 4: Well, yes, and yeah, maybe that's why I took twenty
Speaker 4: seven days or whatever. It took a lot of docs
Speaker 4: being shot. Yeah, yeah, footage.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Draymond Green. That was the big
Speaker 1: news from yesterday. Draymond Green has agreed to return to
Speaker 1: the Warriors on a one year, twenty seven point seven
Speaker 1: million dollar deal. So Green turned down is basically identical
Speaker 1: player option earlier this summer to help try and land Lebron. However,
Speaker 1: after Lebron eventually decided to head to Philly, Draymond and
Speaker 1: the Warriors moved forward on the new deal here. But
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people expected maybe he would
Speaker 1: sign a multi year deal. So the eye opening part
Speaker 1: is that it is just a one year deal here
Speaker 1: for Draymond Green.
Speaker 4: Your reactions to me, this just means it's going to
Speaker 4: be a lot of Golden State this year, saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: where do we get our star? Like you said, it's
Speaker 4: a one year option here, So they're gonna be waiting
Speaker 4: until probably next year. They're gonna try throughout this season
Speaker 4: to go get somebody. But it's a lot of rinse
Speaker 4: repeat with this team. That's just what it is. They're
Speaker 4: gonna have options to be able to trade to go
Speaker 4: get a start to help him and Steph. Essentially, they
Speaker 4: do have like a Kristaps Porsing is twenty million dollars contract,
Speaker 4: Here you go Pelicans, Trey Murphy is he available?
Speaker 2: Here you go.
Speaker 4: Kristaps Porzing is plus draft picks, so they have options.
Speaker 4: But really this is what it is. As you said,
Speaker 4: one year, So it's him and Steph signed for one year.
Speaker 4: They can hope that Jimmy Butler comes back. They can
Speaker 4: hope that Draymond Green helps out Yaxel Londenborg, who's gonna
Speaker 4: be twenty four and look really good in summer league.
Speaker 4: So there's that excitement. If Lebron comes and joins him,
Speaker 4: this team could be good. But really it's just one
Speaker 4: more year to me and hopefully for them they get
Speaker 4: it during the season rather than next offseason.
Speaker 2: But that's what it is to be.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're running back a thirty seven win team
Speaker 3: and they added a twenty four year old rookie. That's
Speaker 3: not exciting if you're a Warriors fan, but it does
Speaker 3: mean you're at least getting the band back together one
Speaker 3: more time. I guess Steve Kerr has two years on
Speaker 3: his deal. Steph Curry becomes extension eligible on August twenty ninth.
Speaker 3: We'll see what he decides to do. But they do
Speaker 3: have Draymond Stephan Jimmy. He is still there for at
Speaker 3: least another season. But the windows closed for the Warriors.
Speaker 3: Like I don't care if they pull off a trade
Speaker 3: for Trey Murphy, that would be awesome. He would be
Speaker 3: a great help to them. That doesn't put them in
Speaker 3: the conference in the conversation in the Western Conference for me,
Speaker 3: the Warriors have missed the playoffs in four of the
Speaker 3: last seven seasons. They've missed it in two of the
Speaker 3: last four seasons because they keep having to go into
Speaker 3: the play in. Their last real move to try and
Speaker 3: be a championship contender was Jimmy Butler. Yeah, the team
Speaker 3: looked good, yep, they were winning, and then Steph got
Speaker 3: hurt in the playoffs. That season was over. They come
Speaker 3: back next year. They're twenty five and nineteen. On January nineteenth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, Jimmy Butler tears a ACL and that's
Speaker 3: the end of the era for the Warriors, especially if
Speaker 3: they're not going to be chipping in these future picks
Speaker 3: that they obviously could trade if they want to. But
Speaker 3: they're just eyeing a time when Steph Curry is no
Speaker 3: longer going to be a Warrior. They've been doing that
Speaker 3: for basically five seasons, looking ahead to when Steph is
Speaker 3: going to be retired. That means he might play for
Speaker 3: another team. I don't think it's likely, yeah, but it
Speaker 3: definitely is interesting that he's going to be extension eligible.
Speaker 3: If he doesn't sign it on August twenty ninth, people
Speaker 3: will start going crazy on the fake trades with this guy.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean they've already started. I mean, the whole
Speaker 1: entire conversation after Lebron has gone to Philly is now
Speaker 1: all eyes on Golden State and what's going on with
Speaker 1: Curry and this idea of like, yeah, they failed him?
Speaker 1: Have they failed him? Have they just been looking too
Speaker 1: far ahead? Did they botch? It feels like the Warriors
Speaker 1: front office did a lot of what I did in Croatia.
Speaker 1: Just treadwater, Just treadwater and the Adriatic Sea. Baby, you know,
Speaker 1: Salty's buoyant helps you there. But that's like what they're
Speaker 1: doing here, and it's sort of it's sad if you're
Speaker 1: a Curry fan of the Warriors fan going this guy
Speaker 1: still was at an elite level, maybe even still is
Speaker 1: of course, and what have they done. They just seem
Speaker 1: to strike out, miss out on every big name that's
Speaker 1: possibly on the market, from like your lowry marketings to
Speaker 1: your Giannises to obviously now even Lebron. But they're three
Speaker 1: highest paid players, Curry, Jimmy and Draymond. They could all
Speaker 1: enter free agency in twenty twenty seven, and then their
Speaker 1: fourth highest player, Porzingis, that deals only guaranteed for three
Speaker 1: million in twenty seven twenty eight, so there could be
Speaker 1: a super hard reset here. But then they do other moves,
Speaker 1: like even the Porzingis and the Horford of it all,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, what are you doing? You're not really
Speaker 1: picking the lane and you're sort of just again treading
Speaker 1: water is a way to put it. Yeah, so I frustrating.
Speaker 4: It is odd to see Porzingis signed again when he
Speaker 4: wasn't successful there, but he becomes one of those tradable
Speaker 4: contracts at twenty million. It's a nice number if you
Speaker 4: want to try and push forward with something around Steph Curry.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you can go into next free agency with
Speaker 4: all those guys coming off the books essentially and try
Speaker 4: and get somebody. So yeah, August twenty ninth will be
Speaker 4: interesting if he resigns. It'll also be interesting to see
Speaker 4: how much he plays this season, Like does he go
Speaker 4: all out and play eighty games, you know, seventy five
Speaker 4: games whatever it is after only playing forty three games last.
Speaker 2: Year, because he's really really good.
Speaker 4: As our man Marcus Thompson pointed out on the Athletic
Speaker 4: when Steph talked to him, after having limited number of
Speaker 4: games that he plays, his next season is really really
Speaker 4: good and so.
Speaker 2: He only played half the year last year.
Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to see if he's kind of slows
Speaker 4: play it, slow plays it, and then we can see
Speaker 4: what Jimmy Butler looks like in January February when he
Speaker 4: comes back.
Speaker 1: That's the issue too of their like whatever top seven
Speaker 1: guys are like not going to be playing for a
Speaker 1: majority of the season, and Jimmy Butler in moody, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Like Jimmy's really old, so how's he going to bounce back?
Speaker 3: Like their top six paid players are all thirty five
Speaker 3: in the year, it's not a surprise when these guys
Speaker 3: miss fifteen to twenty games at a time. So I
Speaker 3: get the Warriors a lot of credit for actually going
Speaker 3: for Jimmy Butler. That was the one time they were
Speaker 3: able to actually get the guy they were going after.
Speaker 3: But they've struck out on Jalen Brown, Lebron Giannis Ad.
Speaker 3: They could have won after Kawhi if they wanted this summer,
Speaker 3: siakam Og, Paul George Lowry, Markinin they got Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 3: He's old and he got hurt within a year of
Speaker 3: them trading for him. So that's what happens when you
Speaker 3: stack with older players. And the unfortunate way with the
Speaker 3: way that the NBA salary cap works is like Curry
Speaker 3: is just getting more and more expensive. He's still a
Speaker 3: great player. He's not an MVP candidate right now. He's
Speaker 3: not like a top five player, but he's going to
Speaker 3: be paid like a top three player when it all
Speaker 3: comes said and done. So you go and look at
Speaker 3: the guys who ended up being lifers. Recently, Kobe's last
Speaker 3: season on the Lakers, they won seventeen games. Dirk's last
Speaker 3: season on the MAVs, they won thirty three games. When
Speaker 3: you get to that stage, when you're that highly paid
Speaker 3: but you're not quite at the level you were, it
Speaker 3: becomes impossible to build a real team around you. So
Speaker 3: if Steph Curry goes and signs like a sixty five
Speaker 3: million dollar extension, it's just going to be a tribute
Speaker 3: act until the end. And you know what, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I'd rather see Steph Curry win thirty eight games for
Speaker 3: the Warriors than when forty five games playing for the
Speaker 3: Charlotte Hornets next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unlikely that they're able to support him with
Speaker 4: a second player, but they do have the options.
Speaker 3: Now, they have the options this summer. That's the thing
Speaker 3: with the Warriors. They always have the options. They can
Speaker 3: go after the same guy. So not only are they
Speaker 3: running back at thirty seven win team, they're running back
Speaker 3: Oh we're going to trade for the next big star
Speaker 3: as well, do it?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, those guys that you mentioned. Yeah, it'll
Speaker 4: all comes down to which guy are you giving up
Speaker 4: and the draft picks and so yeah, we can get
Speaker 4: into it. Jalen Brown was apparently available according to ESPN
Speaker 4: that they were able to offer a trade for in February.
Speaker 2: That was a rumor. So, yeah, there's lots of lots
Speaker 2: of options here.
Speaker 3: They said at the draft too, and the Warriors basically
Speaker 3: said four first rounders. That's too much for us. And
Speaker 3: the Sixers said, not for us, And they got Jaylen
Speaker 3: Brown and Lebron.
Speaker 1: And that's the big one. If you had gotten Jail
Speaker 1: Brown to.
Speaker 2: And Paul George two draft picks in Paul George.
Speaker 4: These numbers that were there thrown out, Oh, the Golden
Speaker 4: State Wars could have given up before. Yeah, if they
Speaker 4: could have these are all just rumors, that's all I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they could have given up four picks. It only took
Speaker 4: two in Paul George for Philadelphia. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 4: just these these lookers all they are all just rumors.
Speaker 3: Again, Okay, but you don't think it's worth it for
Speaker 3: four first round picks and Jimmy Butler contract to get
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's a lot. The Sixers didn't even do it,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's like that makes more
Speaker 4: sense if it is two picks, two draft picks and
Speaker 4: Paul George. Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's all
Speaker 4: just these rumored numbers and all that. So I do
Speaker 4: think they do have the flexibility. Yeah, we are here
Speaker 4: again with the Golden State Wars.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt flexibility optionality is oh yeah, and they
Speaker 1: all they did this year was bringing in a twenty
Speaker 1: four year old rookie.
Speaker 3: That's it with their optionality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's not a good yeah me and look
Speaker 1: and then I mean not that we need to regurgitate it,
Speaker 1: but it's like all the picks they've had over these
Speaker 1: last couple of seasons, like I'm going back now, they
Speaker 1: struck out on a couple of them. And maybe it's
Speaker 1: different if it's not James Wiseman or even Kaminga and
Speaker 1: you know they nail one two of those, it's different
Speaker 1: because now there's young players that you either grow up
Speaker 1: alongside you're still court or you trade those guys and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so or.
Speaker 2: You can trade your court.
Speaker 4: Literally, Draymond Green's contract is tradable, and it's always been
Speaker 4: as a rumor to be tradeable.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he make the exact same amount of money as
Speaker 1: a Trey Murphy?
Speaker 2: It's similar? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go to the best free agents
Speaker 1: available here and the latest intel. Because Lebron made the
Speaker 1: NBA's most intriguing off season decision when he signed with
Speaker 1: the Sixers last Friday, the free agency still marches on.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, other dominoes start to fall here. I
Speaker 1: guess Draymond Green did yesterday because we sort of I
Speaker 1: don't know, is a large batch. Probably that's a bit
Speaker 1: of a stretch. Some intriguing players still remain available. We
Speaker 1: got restricted free agents caught in some contentious contract standoffs.
Speaker 1: We got former superstars that are like just trying to
Speaker 1: extend their careers here. And we got some proven role
Speaker 1: players that could maybe help a team. So let's go
Speaker 1: through some here, ranking them. I guess you know the
Speaker 1: most impressive name still available. It's jail And Durant, restricted
Speaker 1: free agent with the Pistons. We've talked about this now
Speaker 1: here for weeks, but during the regular season, this guy
Speaker 1: was pretty impressive, looked like one of the best bigs
Speaker 1: in the league, especially considering his age. He earned an
Speaker 1: All NBA selection that made him eligible for a rookie
Speaker 1: Max extension. And then the postseason happened and his scoring
Speaker 1: drop from like twenty points per game to ten. His
Speaker 1: field goal percentage plummeted, his turnover rates skyrocketed, his rebounding
Speaker 1: rate dropped. I mean, he was and this was against
Speaker 1: what Wendell Carter Junior, and then the Calves so it
Speaker 1: was bad for him. You lost a lot of money. Now,
Speaker 1: Jake Fisher spoke to two gms this week who were
Speaker 1: of the impression that Duran's widely anticipated return to Detroit
Speaker 1: might not get finalized until closer to the start of
Speaker 1: training camp. So this could go on a while here,
Speaker 1: and mark Stein said, league sources tell him Durhan is
Speaker 1: waging the unappealing prospect of playing out the twenty six
Speaker 1: to twenty seven season on a qualifying offer. You're seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of that now, Duran, maybe Peyton Watson, this
Speaker 1: idea of just hell of a gamble. It would be,
Speaker 1: you know, especially if you got injured, just taking the
Speaker 1: minimal money here, not locking up a big term contract
Speaker 1: to then test unrestricted freegency. But what do you think here,
Speaker 1: tasks Jillen Duran as number one on our list.
Speaker 4: I don't think either of those guys you mentioned, Duran
Speaker 4: or Watson ends up taking just a qualifying offer for
Speaker 4: next season. I think they end up saying signing a
Speaker 4: long term deal. Although restricted free agency ain't all that appealing,
Speaker 4: it's the least sexiest term that we throw out there
Speaker 4: in July and August September, as you said, because it lingers.
Speaker 4: It ain't sexy anymore under this new CBA. I think
Speaker 4: Jayallenduran ends up signing with the Trick because there ain't
Speaker 4: no other options for somebody who's going to sign him
Speaker 4: anywhere close to the dollars that he wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all. It's all a figure. Does he get
Speaker 2: up to two.
Speaker 4: Hundred for five years? Seemingly it's gonna gonna get way
Speaker 4: lower than that, right.
Speaker 1: That's what I would of course, I believe his camp
Speaker 1: wants that forty plus million dollar annual average, and I'm
Speaker 1: sounds like the Pistons tray one closer to the thirty
Speaker 1: the thirty two maybe sort of range here, and this
Speaker 1: is the difference. Pretty big gap, honestly.
Speaker 3: Pretty big gap. But still, whatever Jalen Duran gets from
Speaker 3: the Pistons is going to be more than if he
Speaker 3: took the qualifying offer. And that's without having the potential
Speaker 3: to lose more money. He can't guarantee he's going to
Speaker 3: have a better playoffs this next coming season after having
Speaker 3: an awesome regular season. The guy was All NBA third Team,
Speaker 3: so he's looking at it. He's saying Walker Kessler thirty
Speaker 3: million a year. That guy's done nothing in the NBA.
Speaker 3: You better pay me forty million a year. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 3: Pistons are looking at saying, hey, they got Walker Kesler
Speaker 3: for thirty million a year. They had him over a
Speaker 3: barrel restricted free agency. That's probably an overpay for Walker Kessler.
Speaker 3: Maybe they think the Pistons that they can get Jalen
Speaker 3: Duran for under thirty million. To me, five for one
Speaker 3: fifty is probably what's going to happen. And you know,
Speaker 3: it breaks down whatever the annual average value is during
Speaker 3: that I just think it will last until probably September
Speaker 3: because there's no incentive for a team to really chase
Speaker 3: after Jason Jalen Duran. There's no incentive for the Pistons
Speaker 3: to go out of their way to increase their offer.
Speaker 3: They're in the right here. This is why restricted free
Speaker 3: agency works great for teams and not for.
Speaker 2: Players or agents.
Speaker 4: I mean, agents really have to go into every offseason
Speaker 4: thinking we got to get this done before he enters
Speaker 4: restricted free agency.
Speaker 2: That's got to be the new mo of an agent.
Speaker 2: Look at all the guys this year.
Speaker 4: Bennettt Mathern will get in, Peyton Watson will get into Kaminga.
Speaker 2: Well, actually he's now, but all of those guys, it's
Speaker 2: just it's terrible. Y're after you.
Speaker 1: That's even last year, right, yeah, Cam Thomas, Quinton Grimes
Speaker 1: probably forgetting other names.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's not good for restrictive agency for the players
Speaker 1: and the agents there. James Harden's number two on my lists. Now,
Speaker 1: I think this is just like a matter of when
Speaker 1: he signs with Cleveland. Seventeen year vet expected to sign
Speaker 1: with the Calves after he opted out of his pre
Speaker 1: existing contract to allow the franchise more financial flexibility. Again,
Speaker 1: maybe try and get Lebron back home. The potential new
Speaker 1: deal is expected to last no more than two years.
Speaker 1: That's the latest reporting. Best guess on what this looks like, TK,
Speaker 1: I mean, can I throw a two year eighty million?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, But think about the player option
Speaker 1: he turned down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're probably right with regards to what
Speaker 3: he's actually turning down. But we know that basically James
Speaker 3: Harden has a wink wink deal with the with the Calves.
Speaker 3: It probably ended up costing them Lebron James Way. Reporting
Speaker 3: has gone where it looked like the Lebron didn't want
Speaker 3: to play with James Harden. He wanted to play with
Speaker 3: Darius Garland, who's now on the Clippers. But the Cavs
Speaker 3: did the deal with Harden and the like it, we're
Speaker 3: going to extend you when it comes time. So I guess, man,
Speaker 3: two years eighty million dollars. That sounds ridiculous to be
Speaker 3: But the problem I know, I know, but it's twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six Man, twenty sixteen. You don't need to be
Speaker 3: paying this guy forty mili per season when he's one
Speaker 3: hundred years old.
Speaker 1: Well, they went nineteen and seven when Harden came over
Speaker 1: and obviously made a run for them. At least they
Speaker 1: made the conference finals. That was the point they got wax.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what do you think on Harden here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is just waiting to see when the Mario
Speaker 4: Hazonia deal gets done, because that ain't even done. It's
Speaker 4: just about dollars for him. But I do think it's
Speaker 4: going to be less.
Speaker 2: I think you think I'm too high, Yeah, I think I.
Speaker 4: Think, Like like Draymond Green turned down twenty seven million
Speaker 4: dollars in a player option he was supposed to sign
Speaker 4: for three six if Lebron got there. Now it hasn't happened.
Speaker 4: It didn't happen. So he signed for one in twenty seven,
Speaker 4: and so I think the agreement, the handshake is cheaper
Speaker 4: than his player option over two years.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be cheaper just because there's another year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, And he's old third.
Speaker 1: On the list, you know, the aforementioned Peyton Watson restricted
Speaker 1: free agent with the Nuggets. Now, for those that are
Speaker 1: not keeping up with him, obviously an athletics swing man,
Speaker 1: had a really good year. Can hit threes or did
Speaker 1: hit threes at a consistent rate, high level havoc defensively,
Speaker 1: really talented on that end, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: blocking shots for his size. So Stein reported that the Nuggets'
Speaker 1: initial contract offer was somewhere in the range of seventy
Speaker 1: million over four years, so seventeen and a half million
Speaker 1: per year. But that is a figure that is well
Speaker 1: below the other guy on his team. And I think
Speaker 1: this is the issue here in Christian Brown, who got
Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty five million dollars five year
Speaker 1: extension last October. That's just about to kick in, like
Speaker 1: that's starting here, So twenty five mil per Watson's gotta
Speaker 1: be looking at him going, I'm better than him. I'm
Speaker 1: trajectory wise alone and even what I've already produced, So
Speaker 1: this one feels like a huge gap too. And again
Speaker 1: there's been some rumors of this idea if he takes
Speaker 1: just a qualifying offer to then hit on stricter free agency,
Speaker 1: which actually, oddly maybe the Nuggets would be okay with
Speaker 1: because they're working their books here and their aprons and
Speaker 1: all that. But you don't think that still is a
Speaker 1: thing because it's such a massive gamble for the player.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just tearing Achilles and then you're cooked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a unique scenario because they've entered the
Speaker 4: second apron, the only team that's there, so they're looking
Speaker 4: to move on from one of their other supporting guys,
Speaker 4: whether it's Christian Brown or Cam Johnson. I think Peyton
Speaker 4: Watson is actually more important than Aaron Gordon on this team.
Speaker 4: I know it sounds crazy because Aaron Gordon is their guy,
Speaker 4: but they need Peyton Watson's athleticism, they need his youth.
Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon's body is failing him, and Peyton Watson can
Speaker 4: be super, super good. It wasn't just shooting the three.
Speaker 4: I thought he was really good, and that sixteen game
Speaker 4: stretch where Jokic was out putting the ball on the
Speaker 4: floor and scoring, and defensively he was the best defensive
Speaker 4: player on the other side, So he's super important. Is
Speaker 4: it a gamble, Yeah, several years paying him. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: he was also injured this season. He also hasn't done
Speaker 4: it a lot in his career, so it is scary.
Speaker 4: The numbers being thrown out there are man Tony Jones
Speaker 4: at the athletic through five for seventy, so it's just
Speaker 4: fourteen per steining throughout the It's more like sixteen to eighteen,
Speaker 4: and that's what he's going to end up taking.
Speaker 2: But they need him so bad. It's such a.
Speaker 4: Drop off after Jokic and Jamal Murray. Whether it's Christian
Speaker 4: Brown not looking like himself and worthy of that contract,
Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon's body failing him, or Cam Johnson who didn't
Speaker 4: look like the player that they got. Now you can
Speaker 4: squint and say Kim Johnson was decent at times, Christian
Speaker 4: Brown was decent at times. But I think they really
Speaker 4: need Peyton Wan. But the books are an important part here.
Speaker 4: It's a unique scenario in Denver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christian Brown's just lucky he came up for his
Speaker 3: contract before Peyton Watson did. At that point, when Christian
Speaker 3: Brown got paid his five year, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: five million, which, like your sayans Keets hasn't even kicked
Speaker 3: in yet, finally kicking in the season, Brown had accomplished
Speaker 3: more than Peyton Watson. Had a bad season last year
Speaker 3: after coming back from injury, Christian Brown did. Meanwhile, Peyton
Speaker 3: Watson had an awesome sixteen games, and he's trying to
Speaker 3: get paid basically off those sixteen games. I think the
Speaker 3: Nuggets need to keep him. If they're able to keep
Speaker 3: him on a five year, seventy million dollar deal, absolute
Speaker 3: steal for Denver. I don't actually think he can replace
Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon. I don't think Watson guards bigger guys the
Speaker 3: way that Gordon can. I don't think he rebounds in
Speaker 3: the same way. But it's more so he's going to
Speaker 3: be comparing himself to Christian Brown, and he's saying, Christian
Speaker 3: Brown's getting twenty five million a year. There's no way
Speaker 3: I'm taking anything less than that. It might mean he
Speaker 3: has to take the qualifying offer. I think it's more
Speaker 3: reasonable for him to do it, since he'll be taking
Speaker 3: less of a pay cut than Jalen Duran would be
Speaker 3: since Duran thinks he's, you know, a forty million dollar player.
Speaker 3: Watson less established doesn't have the all NBA credentials, but
Speaker 3: at least for him, there are some teams out there
Speaker 3: that could get to his number with trade exceptions. The
Speaker 3: Bucks are looking at him, the Clippers, the Hawks, they
Speaker 3: all want to do a sign and trade. That wouldn't
Speaker 3: be good for Denver, but at least it would be
Speaker 3: a way for them to get something back because it
Speaker 3: feels like they're pretty far apart on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fisher says the Nuggets are looking for at least
Speaker 1: two first round picks and a sign and trade deal
Speaker 1: involving Watson if they were to do that. Shaum's reported
Speaker 1: that the Nuggets lowered their asking price in a potential
Speaker 1: sign and trade. He said, quote, the Nuggets initially had
Speaker 1: set a price this offseason of similar to the Walker
Speaker 1: Kessler deal to first two swaps. Now apparently the price
Speaker 1: is a really good high level player as well as
Speaker 1: a first round pick. So as much as you say
Speaker 1: you love the idea of fear the Nuggets to keep Watson, task, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe this is something they're exploring just because of the
Speaker 1: logjam of sort of these guys that sort of all
Speaker 1: play somewhat of a similar position and just all of
Speaker 1: them being paid here in addition to obviously, Yo kich As,
Speaker 1: you're a main guy, You've got Murray Max guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they're squeezed here and there. Somebody does have to
Speaker 1: be moved. I'm with you. I'd have Watson above a
Speaker 1: lot of these other guys, the Cam Johnson's, the Christian
Speaker 1: Brown's for sure, the Aaron Gordon wants abatable. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is a tough spot here, and maybe
Speaker 1: this is a sign in trade.
Speaker 4: A good sign for Denver Nuggets fans that they want
Speaker 4: to keep Payton Watson. The Nuggets haven't done a lot
Speaker 4: when it comes to the bench, and they let Tim
Speaker 4: Hardaway go and they let you know, as fall the
Speaker 4: tunas go, you know, they replace them with smaller parts.
Speaker 2: But maybe they are thinking, yeah.
Speaker 4: We're going into the attacks in a deep way that
Speaker 4: not a lot of people expect. That people think this
Speaker 4: team never spends money, and they're spending money at.
Speaker 2: Well at this point they can obviously change.
Speaker 4: But that's that's that's a good sign, I suppose. But yeah,
Speaker 4: they they got to move some part. It's just such
Speaker 4: an oddly manufact your team at this point with how
Speaker 4: everybody has sort of fallen off. Beyond Jokic and Jamal Murray.
Speaker 1: Number four on the list, another restricted free agent Benedict
Speaker 1: Mathren with the Clippers. He's a scorer, but his three
Speaker 1: point shot abandoned him in the second half of last season.
Speaker 1: I had a triple check. He's like, is this right?
Speaker 1: He shot twenty percent from distance after the All Star breaks,
Speaker 1: so it was a bad stretch there. But he is
Speaker 1: a scorer. Ben the Baker. At times he's a weird
Speaker 1: player because you know, we've seen him in finals games
Speaker 1: where he popped off and you're like, oh, this guy
Speaker 1: sort of looks like a potential maybe star in this league.
Speaker 1: And then at other times he looks unplayable. So he's
Speaker 1: a weird player. Fisher says, there are fresh rumbles. It's
Speaker 1: my new favorite.
Speaker 3: Saying fresh rumbles.
Speaker 2: Fisher.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Regarding Mathern's situation, sources say the Pelicans have showed the
Speaker 1: strongest trade interest in Mathrin, and there was also like
Speaker 1: a second unnamed suitor from the Steinlein and we have
Speaker 1: learned that it's Chicago Bulls. So a couple teams maybe
Speaker 1: kicking the tires here on something here With Bennedict Mathri,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Trey, your reaction to him here.
Speaker 3: Uh, He's just a guy. Benedict Mathren to me, is
Speaker 3: slightly smaller Jonathan Minga. He can score and that's about it.
Speaker 3: If he's rolling, it looks great. He had a couple
Speaker 3: of awesome finals games, which is basically all that anybody
Speaker 3: remembers about Benedict Mathrine. You mentioned he shot twenty percent
Speaker 3: for half of a season. Nobody thinks about that. They
Speaker 3: think about him scoring twenty four points in the final game.
Speaker 3: I think that somebody will get Benedict Mathren on a
Speaker 3: pretty cheap deal pretty soon and he'll be fine and
Speaker 3: we'll be talking about him again in free agency.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you go deeper than just the finals games,
Speaker 4: he had some good times with the Pacers where he's
Speaker 4: shooting the three really well, and so when he went
Speaker 4: to the Clippers, like you're referring to those last couple
Speaker 4: months of the season, yeah they're bad, but yeah, those
Speaker 4: times with the Pacers also just not consistent enough.
Speaker 2: You look through the whole.
Speaker 4: Catalog of to Dick Mathern he's shooting below average in
Speaker 4: terms of true shooting PERCENTA is across the board of
Speaker 4: an NBA player. There's below NBA average last season, and
Speaker 4: so it ain't that great. But he gets buckets, he
Speaker 4: gets to the rim, hes gets he puts pressure on
Speaker 4: a defense, which obviously is a skill that he has.
Speaker 1: And he's still young and all that. But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: number four here on the list. Let's pair him with
Speaker 1: Kaminga at number five with the Hawks right now. Now,
Speaker 1: the Calves are reportedly still interested. Maybe in a sign
Speaker 1: and trade to at Kaminga could be difficult because they
Speaker 1: are hard capped at the first apron, so it's a
Speaker 1: bit of a challenge there when it comes to a
Speaker 1: trade construction with Atlanta that they would find suitable. Fisher
Speaker 1: also says the Lakers would still like to sign Kaminga
Speaker 1: make them their starting small forward. There's a spot right
Speaker 1: here for you, Jonathan Kaminga, fifth on the list.
Speaker 4: I think that Lakers fit is questionable. You're going to
Speaker 4: start beside Luca and Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2: It's scary.
Speaker 4: You're not a great defensive player. That's clear. You can
Speaker 4: get buckets, but beside Luca and Austin Reeves, who isn't
Speaker 4: an incredible defensive player. You want somebody who's a really
Speaker 4: good defensive player. So that idea of a sign and trade,
Speaker 4: which has got to be multiple years, has got to
Speaker 4: be three years. You're devoting a lot to Jonathan Kaminga,
Speaker 4: who's never really been trusted at this point to have
Speaker 4: a long term deal, So that is questionable big time.
Speaker 4: Now you could say JJ Reddick will get him to
Speaker 4: buy in and coming off the bench and he'll be
Speaker 4: great and he maybe he can play fourth quarters. I
Speaker 4: get it, but it sounds like a lot of money
Speaker 4: when it comes to what the Hawks and the Lakers
Speaker 4: will end up agreeing to in a sign in trade.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what Kaminga's gonna make here, because
Speaker 3: he played pretty decently I thought in the first round
Speaker 3: for the Hawks. He looked good after the trade, like
Speaker 3: he was fitting in and everybody eats situation. He was
Speaker 3: running the court, he was looking like an athlete, and
Speaker 3: they said they ain't no way we're paying you twenty
Speaker 3: four point three million dollars. So we know Kuminga wants
Speaker 3: to get paid seriously, we know he wants a big role.
Speaker 3: I guess the Lakers have a slightly bigger role than
Speaker 3: the Cavs.
Speaker 2: I don't know, do they. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know either.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of hot usage players at the top
Speaker 3: of both of those teams rosters, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're talking about Jonathan Kaminga's free agency again.
Speaker 3: This is a guy who is like I said with
Speaker 3: Benedict Mathrin, this is just a guy. There are a
Speaker 3: lot of guys who can score seventeen points a game
Speaker 3: on middling efficiency if you give him enough possessions, and
Speaker 3: those are two of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Hawks continuously get a guy who's at
Speaker 4: the end of his contract, you're Kminga's, you're Kristaps Porzingis,
Speaker 4: and then let him go. So they are a great
Speaker 4: roster in terms of tradable players that you can put
Speaker 4: together and say, all right, superstar time eventually. And Kuminga
Speaker 4: could have been one of those guys if they brought
Speaker 4: him back for cheap, but they're not going to, so
Speaker 4: they have ton of assets otherwise, so they're just saying
Speaker 4: goodbye essentially.
Speaker 5: To a guy that played well. As you said, Trey,
Speaker 5: there are good times. Yeah, I mean I like that comparison.
Speaker 5: Now I think about it, Like you said, Matherine and Comingo,
Speaker 5: they're like you catch them on the right night again,
Speaker 5: you go, damn, they're that's a potential superstar.
Speaker 1: Honestly, you see it. Obviously, consistency is a huge issue.
Speaker 1: They are more just scores. That's the other thing. They're
Speaker 1: not helping in other ways. Will either of these guys
Speaker 1: like figure it out, like if I want to have
Speaker 1: a really long career here and make hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, like commit myself to the defensive
Speaker 1: end as well and become maybe more of a team player,
Speaker 1: who will do that first? We'll both will neither. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see a little bit of comparisons between them.
Speaker 4: It's a good comparison in terms of how much they've
Speaker 4: come off the bench and not been starters. But it
Speaker 4: seems like they're veering towards one guy will be okay
Speaker 4: being a starter and one guy won't. I'm guessing that
Speaker 4: Matherine will be okay being a bench guy, but I
Speaker 4: could be wrong.
Speaker 2: Maybe that could be very well.
Speaker 3: We hear a lot more about Cominga's role than we
Speaker 3: hear about Matherin talking about his role yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, six, seven and eight, I'm gonna lump together. It's
Speaker 1: Demarta Rosen, It's Bradley Beal, and it's Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Three yep, I was gonna say three future Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers and Bill very questionable. DeRozan I think he's in
Speaker 1: Westbrook is a lock. And then Beal is going to
Speaker 1: be one of those like maybe probably on the outside,
Speaker 1: but anyway, these guys are probably going to be on
Speaker 1: a new play.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, DeRozan has been linked to the Heat, the Warriors,
Speaker 1: a potential return of the Raptors. There was another one
Speaker 1: that just dropped, I forget the team that he's been
Speaker 1: linked to the Wizards.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shan said that that's right. The Wizards are looking
Speaker 1: for another score.
Speaker 4: The Wizards just played two seasons on the Kings.
Speaker 3: It's the difference.
Speaker 4: Well, he wants to, you know, maybe end his career
Speaker 4: somewhere where it's not a loser of a loser.
Speaker 3: I think the Wizards would be an upgrade from the
Speaker 3: Kings this season unfortunately.
Speaker 1: And then Bill Westbrook, like I said, yeah, of those three,
Speaker 1: I guess who interested in the most Intrigued the most by.
Speaker 3: Beale, I guess Honestly, Bradley, he's three years younger. That's
Speaker 3: the only thing I can say positively about any of
Speaker 3: these three guys. Apparently Westbrook is looking at Europe maybe.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's almost thirty eight years old. He
Speaker 3: also played for the King's last Yeah, these are just
Speaker 3: guys we know. Bet. Bradley Beal played six games last season.
Speaker 3: He had back surgery. I think right like, he might
Speaker 3: be three years younger, but that's an old man injury
Speaker 3: to have. But he was one of those guys. There's
Speaker 3: seventeen points out there, go get him, and he did
Speaker 3: it for the Suns. I still think Bradley Beal could
Speaker 3: get fourteen points coming off the bench for the Miami Heat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even if he's three years younger, he ain't gonna
Speaker 4: play as much as Damar.
Speaker 1: No, that's true.
Speaker 4: Damar plays and he's been in the league great seventeen years.
Speaker 2: He's playing whenever you want him to play.
Speaker 4: And so I think the fit there with the Miami
Speaker 4: Heat works the best because he's going to play a
Speaker 4: lot and they need a score desperately because of what
Speaker 4: they've constructed, how much they have to give up for Giannis.
Speaker 4: So I think Damar there makes sense. Is he just
Speaker 4: waiting around now because of the Kawhi Leonards scenario?
Speaker 2: Maybe not.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's me reaching to say he wants to go
Speaker 4: back to Toronto, but it seems that's a hot thing,
Speaker 4: guys going back to their old teams.
Speaker 2: But I think Miami's the one.
Speaker 1: Other names because now we're getting into the mid of
Speaker 1: the dregs here. Bruce Brown, Oh yeah, that's your guy.
Speaker 1: You love it. Gabe Vincent, who's more of your guy?
Speaker 1: Gave Vincent or Bruce Brown tests because those are two
Speaker 1: free agents names still available.
Speaker 2: Jeremy, gimme the Bruce Bruce.
Speaker 1: Kelly, olennok Camp, Thomas, Brandon Williams actually was pretty solid
Speaker 1: as a guard for the Mavericks. He's out there. I
Speaker 1: think Nick Richards, Kevin Love there's another old guy. But
Speaker 1: toom old Seth Curry, I didn't say, Steph said Seth.
Speaker 1: That's where we're at here, Like you're interested in Bruce.
Speaker 2: Brown, Yeah, off a bench, he can help.
Speaker 4: He helped steal a ball from Rudy Gobert in Game
Speaker 4: one of the Nuggets Wolves series this year. That guy
Speaker 4: he played Game one of that series. Bruce Brown put
Speaker 4: up twenty Was it twenty or hold on? Or am
Speaker 4: I getting it conflated? He had like five steals that game.
Speaker 4: That was the one big steal out there. Getting in
Speaker 4: with Ruby Rudy Gobert feels like he's got some legs left.
Speaker 4: He's not an old man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wait, same birthday?
Speaker 3: Are you the fifteenth?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The same birthday birthday.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that. Bruce, Bruce, Truce.
Speaker 4: Let's hang out, man. Yeah, I'm taking Bruce over. Gave Vincent?
Speaker 4: What are his stats?
Speaker 3: I'm impressed five steel game. I was gonna say, tell
Speaker 3: me something that Bruce Brown did last season because I
Speaker 3: can't think of it, But you're right, he did have
Speaker 3: a five steal game and apparently he helped steal a
Speaker 3: ball from Ry Gobert in Game one fourth quarter. If
Speaker 3: they scored thirty eight points total in the series, so
Speaker 3: he didn't have a twenty point game.
Speaker 4: I got maybe over inflating what he performed like in
Speaker 4: Game one, but I'm impressed.
Speaker 3: I'm impressed that you would know the five steals off
Speaker 3: the top of here.
Speaker 2: It was awesome.
Speaker 4: That was an awesome I thought he was the he
Speaker 4: was the key coming off the bench, being their energy.
Speaker 4: But they just let him go. I was a little
Speaker 4: surprised by that. Why not bring him back for a minimum?
Speaker 4: I guess they're just waiting to see what they do.
Speaker 4: They still could, I guess they could yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did play in every game last year for
Speaker 1: the Nuggets too, off the bench, But an eighty two
Speaker 1: game player in today's NBA is like, okay, good for you,
Speaker 1: Bruce giddy up.
Speaker 3: Okay, So do you think these guys will retire? Jeff Green,
Speaker 3: Kevin Loved, Nick Batoom, Garrett Temple, Thanasis, Onto Kakumpo, all
Speaker 3: free agents, tem Temple, Yes, I think Temple said yes.
Speaker 1: I think I thought so too.
Speaker 2: I think he announced I don't.
Speaker 1: I think Love will be on a roster?
Speaker 3: You think so?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I agree to do.
Speaker 1: The other ones you said, Jeff Green, Wow, I'd love
Speaker 1: to see one more Jeff Green dunk.
Speaker 3: He's got one like three teams he hasn't played for
Speaker 3: at this point in his career. He's never been a
Speaker 3: ball Come on down.
Speaker 2: Why not Nick?
Speaker 3: Buttoom he played like seventy five games last year.
Speaker 1: I could see ridiculous. I think he'll be on a roster.
Speaker 3: I think he's been trying to retire first seasons. He's like,
Speaker 3: I'm retiring after the paras Olympics.
Speaker 1: We won't let him, won't let him know he's still
Speaker 1: solid enough.
Speaker 3: No deal from the Heat. Yeah, thirty four years.
Speaker 1: Old, I'll towards the end of yeahs.
Speaker 4: Can his podcast producers outbid the Miami Heat keep him
Speaker 4: in Milwaukee on that couch?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's where we are at free agency. A lot
Speaker 1: of those the most interesting names that restricted free agents,
Speaker 1: for sure, especially if you believe Harden is just going
Speaker 1: to be signing with Cleveland there and whatever the number is.
Speaker 1: But the for sure the Durham, the Watson and the
Speaker 1: math room is is interesting, and they don't usually they
Speaker 1: don't use there's no team with cap spaces, so it's
Speaker 1: not like there's matching offers out there and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: why isn't the Nets throwing it off? That just nobody
Speaker 1: has any So more likely than not, I guess they'll
Speaker 1: all be with their teams outside of a sign and
Speaker 1: trade or like a friction so much between the player
Speaker 1: and the agent and then the team. Let's let's say
Speaker 1: endurances case or something like where there's anger built up
Speaker 1: now and resentment. I don't know. It's it is a business.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate you're still hopefully getting paid thirty plus million dollars,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is like life changing money. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. When you talk about the qualifying offer, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: six million dollars, Like nobody's gonna roll their eyes at that,
Speaker 1: But like we are talking about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: plus million whatever, seventy million. Watson's ky like, this is
Speaker 1: this is your first massive deal. And again there's no
Speaker 1: gamble of an injury or stuff like that, or even
Speaker 1: you know, maintaining the level that got you into these
Speaker 1: conversations for that type of money, because then you get
Speaker 1: into the worry of like what if the franchise, you know,
Speaker 1: SOA buries us, Sodas buries the player so to speak
Speaker 1: a little bit, and pecking orders and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So there was a rumor out of there for Bendic
Speaker 4: Mathern going to the New Orleans Pelicans, as mark Stein
Speaker 4: put it, coming off the bench there.
Speaker 2: That kind of makes sense.
Speaker 4: It gets a one year trial to try and get
Speaker 4: paid against next season because the Pelicans like to give
Speaker 4: guys a try that didn't work out with other teams.
Speaker 4: You know, you're Jordan Poole's your Sadik Bazier de Jonte
Speaker 4: Marie even to some degree.
Speaker 2: So there, that seems like a good fit.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to drafting the worst NBA nicknames.
Speaker 1: This is something that we thought up earlier this week.
Speaker 1: We thought we could have some fun here as some
Speaker 1: summer activities on the show. We're going to do five
Speaker 1: rounds of this, so a lot of bad nicknames will
Speaker 1: be drafted. I had forgotten right before we went live
Speaker 1: to come up with a trivia question, as I like
Speaker 1: to do, to see of you two guys, who gets
Speaker 1: to pick first in our draft? So here it is,
Speaker 1: so here it is. Okay, it's got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the NBA. What's the exact run time of Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan's The Odyssey? I want total minutes, total minutes, okay,
Speaker 1: So don't give me hours minutes, just give me total minutes.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll let you go first, and then he.
Speaker 2: Can go over under one hundred and sixty one.
Speaker 1: Okay, one sixty one. You said one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: one minutes from time, Well over one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: two minutes, two hours, fifty two minutes. Yeah, yeah, did
Speaker 1: you do the I think correctly?
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, I guess. I guess to forty one
Speaker 4: two hours, forty one minutes. But that's my mistake.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 4: I'll have to repeat myself from other shows. It flew by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's why I'm saying it was only two
Speaker 2: forty That's impressive. Good.
Speaker 1: I just got my tickets for Friday. I catch up
Speaker 1: with you guys. JD's already seen it eight times, so
Speaker 1: I gotta at least watch it once. I figure.
Speaker 4: Okay, so Trey figure out the how Lebron is Odysseus?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, of course, well I he yesked, So Trey,
Speaker 1: you have the first pick here in the Worst NBA
Speaker 1: Nicknames Draft. Now, all of these nicknames have to be
Speaker 1: on Basketball Reference. Yes, okay, you can't make up one
Speaker 1: like a weird pun tast has said maybe once upon
Speaker 1: time that's not on Basketball Reference. Gotta be on Basketball Reference. Uh,
Speaker 1: where are you starting?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm really thrilled to get the number one pick
Speaker 3: because when I looked through all two thousand, eight hundred
Speaker 3: and forty four lines on the spreadsheet that was sent
Speaker 3: to us of these nicknames. Yeah, one stuck out to me.
Speaker 3: I had to have it. Like I said, two eight
Speaker 3: hundred and forty four entries. Some of these guys have
Speaker 3: more than one name, O god, yeah, easily five thousand
Speaker 3: nicknames in the Basketball Reference database.
Speaker 1: I would have to think even low yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the one that caught my eye that I knew
Speaker 3: I was going to pick with my first pick, assuming
Speaker 3: it lasted this long is a guy who played from
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy six in the NBA.
Speaker 3: His name was George Carter.
Speaker 2: I'm lying to you.
Speaker 1: He didn't even play.
Speaker 3: He played one season in the NBA, then everything else
Speaker 3: in the ABA. His name is George Carter and his
Speaker 3: nickname is dirty dingis what steel.
Speaker 1: I was wondering how people were going to approach this, like,
Speaker 1: were you gonna with names and players that we actually knew,
Speaker 1: or just straight up guys we've never heard of but
Speaker 1: have a crazy nickname like dirty Dingas George.
Speaker 3: And Trey answered the question.
Speaker 1: He's going with the obscure player with the crazy nickname. Okay.
Speaker 3: I got some names on the list, guys that we know,
Speaker 3: and of course, as we all remember, George Carter was
Speaker 3: an All Star for the Virginia Squires in the seventy
Speaker 3: one season in the ABA. So a known player. But
Speaker 3: George dirty Dingus Carter.
Speaker 1: Did you do any research on why nickname? No, didn't
Speaker 1: want that in your no. No, okay, George Carter. There's
Speaker 1: a nineteen seventy Western comedy named dirty Dingus McGee.
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy did you say? Okay? So like same time frame.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's any crossovers. Yeah, and there stars
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra and George. Oh wait, maybe that's is that
Speaker 1: the tie? What George can Okay, it's the sheriff. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know how we got it.
Speaker 3: I I'll did some research, that's all right, So give
Speaker 3: me the dirty Ding.
Speaker 4: That was the time for questionable nicknames. I mean that
Speaker 4: those couple decades, decades.
Speaker 2: I didn't even mean to say that, but.
Speaker 4: Lots of lots of questionable ones. I kind of stayed
Speaker 4: away from that time. That era.
Speaker 3: Of era.
Speaker 1: Every second guy you met on this street was named
Speaker 1: dirty dingas.
Speaker 4: Although with my first pick, I'll stay in that that region,
Speaker 4: that physical region. Mason Plumley, his nickname is Plums, not
Speaker 4: fin It's it's just it's it's the genitals, let's be honest,
Speaker 4: and somebody can literally start talking trash to you. On
Speaker 4: the other side, you can be picked on. You know,
Speaker 4: somebody will literally grab their plums and say, I just
Speaker 4: kicked in the plums. Uh, you know, suck on these plums,
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. So yeah, just because I'm staying
Speaker 4: in the same region, I didn't find this hard at all.
Speaker 4: I think there's like a thousand names.
Speaker 2: But now now the.
Speaker 1: Good thing for Mason Plumbley Plum's bad but plumb Dog Millionaire,
Speaker 1: I think good because you've said it for years.
Speaker 2: But solid I'm a fan of that one.
Speaker 4: Well, you just brought up the movie that came out
Speaker 4: for for the Dingus. Yeah, that happened to Mason Plumber
Speaker 4: Well time.
Speaker 1: Okay to off the autmore interesting. I didn't have them
Speaker 1: on my short list.
Speaker 3: I wonder if anywhere, like, oh no, I think there's one.
Speaker 1: That I'm like, one of you is going to take.
Speaker 1: I am going with, well, our best player of the bunch,
Speaker 1: no offense to George Carter or Mason Plumbley. I'm going
Speaker 1: for my worst NBA n name, my number one pick.
Speaker 1: Marii Stodameer's stat that's a horrible nickname. Now it's an
Speaker 1: acronym for standing tall and talented.
Speaker 3: Which I think makes it worse. It was just stat.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, does he just fill a box score?
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. That's cool, big number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: No, standing tall and talented. It's a self given nickname.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I think he's got it tattooed on
Speaker 1: his arm. It's how he used to be addressed by
Speaker 1: everyone around. Yeah, Stat, what's up? Stat? And again, that's
Speaker 1: not bad. But when you know what it stands for,
Speaker 1: I guess the standing tall. Like he's only six' ten
Speaker 1: now tall among common. Folk is that tall in THE nba? World,
Speaker 1: YEAH i guess it's. Close but still it's more about
Speaker 1: proud and. CONFIDENCE i think that's the standing.
Speaker 2: Tall never caught on and never Got and you know.
Speaker 3: WHAT i hate about? It Like.
Speaker 1: Amari first, Off amari is an awesome, name, right even
Speaker 1: when he changed the spelling of it a couple of
Speaker 1: times where we were putting the apostophe and if it
Speaker 1: was in there and all, That but like he was
Speaker 1: a super natural role, Athlete like this guy was in
Speaker 1: a league full of. Athletes he's like on another. Level,
Speaker 1: Right so it just like didn't really ever work for,
Speaker 1: Him SO i don't like. It Stats i'm with, You,
Speaker 1: okay he.
Speaker 3: DOESN'T i mean they also list The Little tyrant And
Speaker 3: Little lord for, him SO i mean that's WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Know those are all.
Speaker 4: Bad he goes from standing tall to being. Little you,
Speaker 4: know he didn't have.
Speaker 1: One he didn't have a good, one, no which is
Speaker 1: weird to me because it's like we compare him like
Speaker 1: To sean camp right at the. TIME i, mean he's
Speaker 1: got one of the coolest nicknames of all, time right,
Speaker 1: Man like what we couldn't come up with anything From marit.
Speaker 4: But but we've likened his career To Blake. Griffin's blake
Speaker 4: doesn't have one. Either What's Blake griffin's?
Speaker 3: Nickname he, literally he literally doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have one on basketball.
Speaker 3: Reference he doesn't have even a bad. One that's.
Speaker 4: Surprising that is because He's Blake. Griffin you think there'd
Speaker 4: be something out. There, OKAY i got, Weird, great all.
Speaker 3: Right try back to. You all, right this is a
Speaker 3: guy you maybe have heard, Of Bobby. Simmons you guys
Speaker 3: Remember Bobby.
Speaker 1: Simmons oh, yeah, Yeah, Bill i'm trying to rack my
Speaker 1: brain what it? Is good.
Speaker 3: Luck two thousand and one to twenty, Twelve Bobby simmons.
Speaker 3: Played he was the twenty two thousand and four five
Speaker 3: most improved, player A chicago. Legend his nickname Is Chinese.
Speaker 1: Food wanted a, Lot yeah food once.
Speaker 3: You would think, That but it turns out that When
Speaker 3: Bobby simmons was playing for The, clippers and prior to
Speaker 3: the two thousand and three four, Season clippers were going
Speaker 3: to be playing in an international game against The Seattle,
Speaker 3: SuperSonics they were going to be playing In, tokyo and
Speaker 3: they said what do you what do you think about
Speaker 3: going to play In? Tokio And Bobby simmons, SAYS i
Speaker 3: don't Like chinese. Food now his nickname Is Chinese, food.
Speaker 1: So this has to be a nickname that other teammates
Speaker 1: aside to. Him, right, wow you're on my, Team, Bobby Chinese,
Speaker 1: Food chinese very. Good, okay that's a good, One Bobby.
Speaker 1: SIMMONS i forgot he won an. Award here's a good. Player,
Speaker 1: yeah it was all, Right it's.
Speaker 3: OKAY i feel like he was like on the edges
Speaker 3: Of All star conversations at some. Point, maybe oh, wow,
Speaker 3: Really Bobby. Simmons maybe, okay that's sixteen six and three maybe?
Speaker 1: Four, yeah, Okay chinese food is Got chinese? Food what
Speaker 1: do you got?
Speaker 4: Tests i'm going with another big name, Player Tyre's haliburton's the.
Speaker 2: MOMENT i hate it as a. Nickla oh you don't like?
Speaker 2: It here comes the moments down the. Floor you can't
Speaker 2: address him by that.
Speaker 4: Nickname no you, can't you know if you're sitting down and, saying,
Speaker 4: Okay Tyres haliburn had some. Moments here is the moment
Speaker 4: that he did against The New York nickson round. One,
Speaker 4: okay would you say it that?
Speaker 1: Way got cool, Moments.
Speaker 4: But when it comes to actually addressing, him actually talking
Speaker 4: about basketball in a sense that that's what you would call,
Speaker 4: him not even. Close it's just not. Good so, yeah they.
Speaker 4: MISSED i understand.
Speaker 2: The and then a cool word but the, answer, yeah but,
Speaker 2: nah you know this as?
Speaker 1: Well is it better or worse than him A, burton
Speaker 1: which is also asball, reference he is, him Not hallie
Speaker 1: him A. Burton that's that might be worse than the,
Speaker 1: moment but they're both pretty.
Speaker 2: Bad but that was, yeah an, era an? Era is it?
Speaker 4: OVER i don't know where everybody started Saying i'm. Him,
Speaker 4: yeah oh, yeah and So.
Speaker 1: I've got another potential him on my. List, actually Maybe
Speaker 1: i'll just take him right now BECAUSE i hate all
Speaker 1: of his, Nicknames Josh, giddy Good, Him Ithy, Salome.
Speaker 3: Wizard Of.
Speaker 1: Oz, okay The australian connection, there that's not that's probably
Speaker 1: the least offense of vanilla. Magic and then my real
Speaker 1: answer here For Josh kitty Slob. Wizard, yeah, now now
Speaker 1: that's a HULLANDRO i BELIEVE i think he came up with.
Speaker 1: It Slob, wizard uh sidelines out of bounds. Wizard he's
Speaker 1: very good at these plays and great, playmaker but ununfortunate,
Speaker 1: nickname especially with other things that were then happening around
Speaker 1: the same time With Josh gitty in the. News Slow
Speaker 1: wizard is. Bad do we have A t shirt with?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 1: Yeah we, Do, YEAH i own.
Speaker 3: One yeah it's a house.
Speaker 2: Shirt.
Speaker 4: YEAH i.
Speaker 1: Know you can't wear a Slow wizard you dirty.
Speaker 3: Ding that's the equivalent to a dirty.
Speaker 1: Shirt for.
Speaker 3: Sure i'll Go Josh. KITTY i don't like any of,
Speaker 3: those but.
Speaker 1: Really Slow, WIZARD a Slow wizard is my selection that takes.
Speaker 2: It, yeah all of them are.
Speaker 4: Questionable, Yeah, okay round.
Speaker 1: Three back to T.
Speaker 3: K i'm going with the classic nickname, here a classic
Speaker 3: bad nickname or a good, nickname but more of an insulting.
Speaker 3: Nickname this one comes to us from the nineteen. Nineties
Speaker 3: it comes to us from here In. Atlanta i'm going
Speaker 3: With John concact Aka John. CONTRACT i had.
Speaker 1: This on my short. List that's.
Speaker 3: Awesome, yeah it's awesome to be known for signing a
Speaker 3: legendarily bad deal and they just call you A John
Speaker 3: contract for the rest of your. Life because he had
Speaker 3: the temerity to sign a two point two million dollar
Speaker 3: deal in nineteen eighty. Nine like he's making less than
Speaker 3: the veteran minimum, now but it was a ton of
Speaker 3: money back then For John, concak who didn't really ever
Speaker 3: do anything in THE. Nba what do you think his
Speaker 3: career high in points per game?
Speaker 1: WAS i can't imagine he scored over? Ten so.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Eight?
Speaker 3: Seven, yeah, yeah this must have been his rookie. Year
Speaker 3: it looks like went for eight and six mostly off the.
Speaker 1: Bench strong start.
Speaker 3: For The hawks. There So John, contract you're on my.
Speaker 3: Team that's pretty because that's.
Speaker 2: Such a good.
Speaker 4: NICKNAME i, thought WAS i creating the contract that he
Speaker 4: actually ended up signing BECAUSE i remembered him being multiple
Speaker 4: years bigger. Number yeah that is let me see six
Speaker 4: YEARS i, google but six years, Thirteen milt.
Speaker 1: Amazing that's great for.
Speaker 2: Him what it's a good, nickname, man.
Speaker 3: He, Says what WAS i supposed to? Do? Say, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: man you're. Right, great they're offering.
Speaker 1: It, oh what's the worst is going to? Happen weird?
Speaker 1: Nickname put on my. Basket that's a good. ONE i
Speaker 1: got thirteen million. Dollars do you THINK i?
Speaker 4: Care we could easily have a draft of the best.
Speaker 4: Nicknames AND i think that you like this. One, yeah
Speaker 4: you're known for something of the rest of your life
Speaker 4: instead of just Being John.
Speaker 3: True it's a simple first, thing all, Right where you?
Speaker 4: GOING i like going with big name. Guys and, UH
Speaker 4: i Think Ason kid For Jason kidd because he didn't have.
Speaker 2: Insulting it's.
Speaker 4: Insulting, OKAY i understand at the beginning year your, career
Speaker 4: you're not a. Shooter it's a funny nickname dropped To.
Speaker 4: Chase his name's. Asen but when he developed a, shot
Speaker 4: you could take that off basketball, reference just remove.
Speaker 3: It let's grow.
Speaker 4: Up let's let's say what we got to. Say about this.
Speaker 4: Guy he had A jay later in his. Career, definitely
Speaker 4: So ason sex to BE u for you.
Speaker 2: Know but, anyway As.
Speaker 3: Ason kid is a good like slander nickname handle of its.
Speaker 1: Day oh, yeah all, Right i'm gonna go with my
Speaker 1: most obscure player here BECAUSE i have A mari And
Speaker 1: Josh kitty obviously everybody knows. Them but give me a
Speaker 1: guy Named Carson. Edwards you, know fairly. Recent you, Know
Speaker 1: i'm not going back to the seventies. Here if you don't,
Speaker 1: remember he's a two Time All. American he was selected
Speaker 1: thirty third overall in the twenty nine draft by The.
Speaker 1: Celtics played a total of seventy two games in THE
Speaker 1: nba before WHAT i can, tell having a very successful international.
Speaker 1: Career he's bounced around, internationally but he's playing and sure
Speaker 1: making some. Money but one Of Carson edwards nicknames was
Speaker 1: just the name of an older player he reminded people.
Speaker 1: Of his nickname Was Eddie.
Speaker 3: House this is insane to, me surprising NOW i see the. Similarities.
Speaker 1: Again you probably don't remember much Of. Carson he was
Speaker 1: a small. Guy he was like five to. Eleven Eddie
Speaker 1: house wasn't much. Bigger he's probably listed at six to
Speaker 1: one or, something but he's like basically six foot. Guy
Speaker 1: but just to have a just to have a nickname
Speaker 1: of some other guy that people just reminded you. Of you're, like, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah you played Like Eddie. House we're gonna call You Eddie.
Speaker 1: House it's so offensive to me for some reason called
Speaker 1: dirty dingis please and there Was i'm doing a little.
Speaker 1: RESEARCH i saw this On celtics blog obviously a long
Speaker 1: time Fantastic celtics blog, somebody Because Carson edwards had like
Speaker 1: ludicrously muscular, thighs like he had huge thighs and like
Speaker 1: a rely like his shorts were like a, problem like
Speaker 1: they were too. Tight people wanted to call him meat
Speaker 1: buckets because he was a good scorer and those big
Speaker 1: old hamhock. Thighs so that's, better still, worse we're still
Speaker 1: bad meat. Buckets but instead he's just Called Eddie. House
Speaker 1: and that's On basketball the. Front So i'm Going Eddie
Speaker 1: house For Carson. Edwards it's my most obscure.
Speaker 3: Pick my kids have taken to call in my legs
Speaker 3: sweaty meat. Logs SHOULD i be? OFFENDED i came up with,
Speaker 3: it but its liked my basketball.
Speaker 4: Referencing sweaty as thick as meat buckets.
Speaker 3: Legs, yeah.
Speaker 1: You like slim jimsy.
Speaker 4: Very.
Speaker 3: Much fourth, ROUND a couple more rounds of. This, wow
Speaker 3: this is tough. MAN a lot of nicknames on the.
Speaker 3: BOARD i got three THAT i really, like and they're
Speaker 3: all guys that basically you've never heard. Of i'm going
Speaker 3: With Dennis. Autry Who's Dennis? Autry, yeah. Exactly he played
Speaker 3: seven hundred and thirty THREE nba, games so he played
Speaker 3: for a long. Time he's got a nineteen seventy NINE nba.
Speaker 3: Championship who would have that been?
Speaker 1: With who was seventy Three seattle super so.
Speaker 3: Went To Seattle. SuperSonics i didn't do research into why
Speaker 3: they called him, this but, Uh Dennis awtry's nickname is moose.
Speaker 6: Bread, Tough, yes Stinky, yeah, yes one day had stinky
Speaker 6: breadth not forever you're a moose.
Speaker 1: Breath that's really the best, nickname like you, know like
Speaker 1: that's like a school, nickname.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah is This Steaky pete THAT i knew a? GUY i, mean.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for, him he was stinky and his name Was.
Speaker 1: Pete it was Sneaky pete from there, On Sneaky.
Speaker 3: Pete this guy came in after eating moose one, Day,
Speaker 3: like all, right loose, bro we saw that woman wearing
Speaker 3: a tall hat once we call their tall. Hat the
Speaker 3: rest of the exactly moose, bread tough.
Speaker 1: Stuff oh, yeah we're the kings of those type of.
Speaker 1: Nicknames moose. Breath, wow you ever had?
Speaker 3: Moose?
Speaker 1: Anybody? Ever do you seem any moose when you're a?
Speaker 3: Yellowstone?
Speaker 4: No saw animals that look like? Moose he has question
Speaker 4: some of these. EMUs there's there's there are mule there
Speaker 4: animals called mule. Deers, oh never heard of?
Speaker 1: That are they?
Speaker 4: Large you can, think you can think that they're? Mood
Speaker 4: not quite a moose for, You, yeah not quite a.
Speaker 3: Moose it's got weird.
Speaker 2: Ears.
Speaker 3: Huh nice coold moose.
Speaker 2: Bread never seen, him moose.
Speaker 1: Breath Dennis Autry is he a one name nickname guy
Speaker 1: On Basketball? Reference or oh, no he's got a lot
Speaker 1: what else? Tree he's tall six, ten two thirty. Five
Speaker 1: dennis The menace and harpo.
Speaker 2: Harp what's up with this? Guy? Yeah this?
Speaker 1: Guy, yeah all, right tass your fourth.
Speaker 4: Pick another big name guy, Here tracey, McGrady The Big.
Speaker 4: Sleep you, KNOW i Guess i'm just against these pejorative.
Speaker 4: Nicknames that's not. Nice it's not nice to call this
Speaker 4: guy The Big. Sleep, now he did kind of have sleepy,
Speaker 4: eyes or he still, does, definitely but you, know one
Speaker 4: of the best scores of the.
Speaker 2: Game call him The Big.
Speaker 4: Sleep you don't really you think of him having sleepy
Speaker 4: eyes when he's off the, court, really you, know like not,
Speaker 4: REALLY i don't.
Speaker 3: Know his eyes were usually. Open but wasn't he like
Speaker 3: one of the early guys to be, like, YEAH i
Speaker 3: love taking a, pregame.
Speaker 1: MAT i think, So i'm not.
Speaker 3: Sure still The Big sleep is.
Speaker 2: Funny, yeah all, right maybe maybe it's growing on.
Speaker 4: Me but T mac The Big, sleep it's just T
Speaker 4: mac is the, one the only one you remember him.
Speaker 2: As he's too good to have more than.
Speaker 1: One really my fourth, PICK i Guess i'll go with this.
Speaker 1: One markel. Faults how did a? Nickname, yeah you probably you're, like,
Speaker 1: well you're, right you're racking your brain right. Now you're,
Speaker 1: like what was his? Nickname?
Speaker 3: Quickwash what quick?
Speaker 1: Wash Justin anderson did? It former. Teammate he called him
Speaker 1: quickwash because of his uh, faults his, SIGNATURE i, guess
Speaker 1: very fast spin. Move so they called Him. Quickwash, okay
Speaker 1: but it's UNFORTUNATE i think for a guy Like falls
Speaker 1: who then had a rough career and fell off and you,
Speaker 1: know seemingly forgot how to shoot a, basketball and then
Speaker 1: like you're, like, oh he's. Washed so that's where my
Speaker 1: mind immediately. Goes but it's actually about a signature, move
Speaker 1: WHICH i guess he was pretty good at. THIS i
Speaker 1: don't really think of him like, that but Obviously anderson
Speaker 1: saw something coined the. Moniker BUT i think it's not.
Speaker 1: GREAT i just also don't doesn't sound good. Either there
Speaker 1: it goes quick.
Speaker 3: Wash maybe maybe it could have lasted if he wasn't
Speaker 3: quickly washed exactly part of the.
Speaker 2: Problem.
Speaker 4: Tough, yeah it seemed Like Justin anderson was just trying
Speaker 4: to be. Smart you know he took the spin, cycle
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: That, yeah he was trying to get creative with. It
Speaker 1: but then you're also, like what does this guy shower
Speaker 1: for like eight seconds after a.
Speaker 3: Game he's in and, out always ready to do. Media,
Speaker 3: uh so.
Speaker 1: Quick, WASH i WROTE i wrote an elevator With Markel folts. Once, okay, yep,
Speaker 1: yeah that's my story. Clean, yeah he was.
Speaker 3: FRIENDLIES i was ever on an elevator with no dirty
Speaker 3: dingus on market quick.
Speaker 1: Wash all, right one more round of bad.
Speaker 3: Nicknames oh, GOOD i got MY i got two last
Speaker 3: Guys i'm interested. In i'll give a shout out To Tony,
Speaker 3: campbell whose nickname Is. Blumpy not taking him, Though, Sorry,
Speaker 3: Tony i'm going for A Sacramento. King his name Was Dwyane.
Speaker 2: Causwell.
Speaker 3: Oh he played in the nineties into the two. Thousands
Speaker 3: his nickname the very nineties The, Cosonator Dwyane coswell The,
Speaker 3: cosinator cosinating the.
Speaker 1: Causes The cousinator sounds like a nickname of a buddy
Speaker 1: you went to high school and, specifically, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He's a good. Guy he's got twelve subs in his.
Speaker 3: Trunks twice divorce but good. Guy the good guy never
Speaker 3: got out Of plano. Unfortunately WHAT i really like About
Speaker 3: Dwayne coswell The causinator is there's now a guy on
Speaker 3: The Sacramento kings Named Dylan, cardwell, right aka The Cardinate.
Speaker 3: Cardinator so, yeah give me The. Cousonator AM i influenced
Speaker 3: by my Friend jerry? Whoever but hey calls The? Shrimpinador? Probably,
Speaker 3: yeah but The causonator is it for?
Speaker 1: Me over any? Universe that's, right the. Shrimpinador god just loves.
Speaker 1: Shrimp uh maybe, yeah The coswell just love. Causes, Okay Dwayne,
Speaker 1: coswell that's that's definitely a basketball CARD i hated to.
Speaker 3: Get, yeah, man not another causewell throw that one, up all,
Speaker 3: right toss your last, pick my last.
Speaker 4: Pick It's Damon jones for a couple of. Reasons, first
Speaker 4: has the name of our old Show Basketball. Jones that's
Speaker 4: one of his nick that but more so because his
Speaker 4: second a, nickname best shooter in the. World it's you,
Speaker 4: know it's it's a fine. Nickname but now what he's
Speaker 4: going through legally pleded it, guilty pled guilty In Brooklyn
Speaker 4: Federal court to two counts of conspiracy to commit wire
Speaker 4: fraud On april, twenty twenty twenty, six just doesn't jive.
Speaker 4: Anymore the worst gambler in the world.
Speaker 1: Your nickname At, yeah he.
Speaker 4: Ain't the best, anymore, Unfortunately Damon. Jones so, yeah that's
Speaker 4: why it just none of it.
Speaker 1: Fits the best shooter in the, world.
Speaker 4: Best shooter in the. World, wow literally all of those
Speaker 4: words as one. Nickname it's a. Lot best Dam here
Speaker 4: Comes Damon, jones best shooter in the. World it's a weird.
Speaker 1: Man when did He did he ever have a small
Speaker 1: window where he could actually claim, THAT i mean it
Speaker 1: was a good. Shooter oh, yeah he was for a
Speaker 1: three point. Shooter. Obviously did he ever lead the league
Speaker 1: in three point shoot in the.
Speaker 4: League in effective field goal? Percentage sixty one point one? Percent,
Speaker 4: okay that's pretty. Solid played eighty two games that. Season
Speaker 4: he played a lot of. Games forty from three that.
Speaker 2: Year that's not.
Speaker 4: Bad forty three percent from three while shooting fifty one
Speaker 4: point seven percent from two for a. Guard very. Good
Speaker 4: you know what this guy is the best? Shooter he
Speaker 4: was for one.
Speaker 2: Year it's Actually Damon jones with The Miami. Heat all, Right.
Speaker 1: My final pick worse nicknames On Basketball. REFERENCE i can't
Speaker 1: Believe i'm going to do, this But i'm looking in
Speaker 1: the mirror with this. One, Guys Joe johnson The Armadillo.
Speaker 1: Cowboy that's, right that's a NICKNAME i came up with
Speaker 1: and gave The Joe johnson way back in the Basketball jones.
Speaker 1: Days it somehow got added To Basketball. Reference it's stuck around,
Speaker 1: enough AND i just wanted to pick this one because
Speaker 1: there's a VERY i guess a little weird story that
Speaker 1: goes with it like people are, like why is he
Speaker 1: called The Armadillo? Cowboy LIKE i get you, know you
Speaker 1: see people's tweet that this, day they see it on
Speaker 1: his Bat what the hell is? That do you ever?
Speaker 1: REMEMBER i don't know jd or tasks of WHY i
Speaker 1: called him The Armadillo. COWBOY i cannot. Recall, yeah, YEAH
Speaker 1: i Think i've only shared this. Once, YEAH i definitely
Speaker 1: shared it once way back in the Basketball jones. Day
Speaker 1: but here's what happened of why he got the nickname
Speaker 1: The Armadillo. Cowboy here was my thinking it was a.
Speaker 1: Mistake CUTS i had Watched so this is When Joe
Speaker 1: johnson must have been when he was on The, hawks
Speaker 1: and he was Like, Iso Joe joe?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: Right he was? Cool he was he was very, talented
Speaker 1: he was. Good he was an all. STAR i watched
Speaker 1: a documentary By Spike, jones a short. Documentary it was
Speaker 1: Called armaillo By. MORNING i don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have seen. It it's like this ninety eight documentary About
Speaker 1: Spike jones following these like two suburban kid kids that
Speaker 1: want to be cowboys and like sort of professional bull,
Speaker 1: riders but. Cowboys and he just follows a day in
Speaker 1: the life of, them and they're, like they're like sort of,
Speaker 1: cool and it's like it was a really cool doc
Speaker 1: AND i was trying to say The armarillo, cowboy and
Speaker 1: that was the link from this these cool sort of
Speaker 1: like doc and kids THAT i saw on this thing
Speaker 1: To Iso Joe joe. Cool that was WHAT i was
Speaker 1: thinking WHEN i said it on this podcast back and
Speaker 1: in the. Day BUT i of course screwed it up
Speaker 1: and said The Armadillo, cowboy not The armarillo.
Speaker 3: Cowboy and that's how we got to.
Speaker 1: It so that's how he now has The Armadillo, cowboy
Speaker 1: and it just. Stuck that's good because it was definitely somebody,
Speaker 1: said and you were like what AND i couldn't you,
Speaker 1: KNOW i couldn't correct. Myself, yeah. EXACTLY i was, like
Speaker 1: you know, what maybe it does sound better in a weird. Way,
Speaker 1: yeah especially nickname though you.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't think, it but we do have armadillos In, atlanta
Speaker 3: like you'll see you'll see it on the.
Speaker 1: Road you're.
Speaker 3: Right unbelievable to, ME i thought they were exclusively A southwestern,
Speaker 3: creature but they're apparently here in The southeast as, well
Speaker 3: just Like Joe johnson, was but he played In phoenix.
Speaker 1: Too he played In phoenix. TOO a lot of. Arms
Speaker 1: where is he?
Speaker 3: From?
Speaker 2: To is He?
Speaker 3: Arkansas In? Arkansas?
Speaker 1: Man do they Have armadillos In?
Speaker 3: Arkansas i'm only familiar with, Twos.
Speaker 1: That's how we got. There so, yeah he's got he's
Speaker 1: got good. ONES i Saw, Joe joe, cool big Shot.
Speaker 1: JOE i think it's. Fine you, know it's a classic
Speaker 1: for a bunch of. Guys but, uh and then it
Speaker 1: just says armadillo, cowboy AND i love that so. Much
Speaker 1: so there you. Go it's a dumb ass nickname and
Speaker 1: it was a. Mistake and, uh the only THING i
Speaker 1: would suggest is Watch armarillo by. Morning i'm sure it's
Speaker 1: online By Spike jones ninety eight. Documentary. Great there it
Speaker 1: is fifteen of the WORST nba. Nicknames there are thousands.
Speaker 1: Left you tell us what we, missed what should have been.
Speaker 1: Drafted let us know in the. Comments i'm sure the
Speaker 1: stream team probably is sharing a bunch right.
Speaker 3: Now they're not necessarily going in on, it but they surely.
Speaker 3: Will AND i, mean there's so many bad. Ones we
Speaker 3: could easily do this. Again one that stuck out to
Speaker 3: me Was james One. Cotton his nickname was one hundred.
Speaker 3: Percent that was, Great that was.
Speaker 1: Good, yeah just the.
Speaker 3: Fabric there's some bad.
Speaker 1: Ones there are some very bad. Ones i'm always surprised
Speaker 1: That leelis never got the donk up there For Luka
Speaker 1: dauncic on his.
Speaker 3: Because he's got a.
Speaker 1: Million, yeah and that would be, fun something fun too
Speaker 1: to go through and see who has the most nicknames Basketball,
Speaker 1: reference Because luca has won, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 1: nine ten are on. There, Wow lebron's got a.
Speaker 3: Lot Darryl dawkins would have a.
Speaker 2: Lot, yeah, yeah coach has. Eight.
Speaker 1: WOW i was just who coached The croatian, sensation the.
Speaker 1: Waiter those are the.
Speaker 3: TWO i had a massive document of a lot of
Speaker 3: things that cross. Over there was like sixty six players
Speaker 3: that had mister listed in their, nickname Including Jose, calderon Mister,
Speaker 3: caterine mister mister.
Speaker 1: Doesn't Doesn't DeRozan have a MISTER i AM i Am.
Speaker 3: Toronto there's a couple of guys who are just Mister Keith.
Speaker 4: Jennings Mister Michael jordan has Twelve, okay so On jordan
Speaker 4: has twelve and he has one THAT i IF i
Speaker 4: If i'm trying to remember that somebody's name Is, MIKE
Speaker 4: i Use Magic mike as a nick, name which, is you,
Speaker 4: know something That Michael jordan apparently has and something That
Speaker 4: Channing tan was really good at Being Magic.
Speaker 2: Mike that's, true that's.
Speaker 3: True all, right we'll call it.
Speaker 1: There here for a Random wednesday show talking about the
Speaker 1: best free agents left on the, Board Draymond green got
Speaker 1: in a Little lebron To philly talk because that was
Speaker 1: my first time talking about it with you. Guys and
Speaker 1: then the WORST nba nicknames want to hear? Yours check
Speaker 1: out the basketball reference pages and find the WORST nba
Speaker 1: nickname in your. Mind let us know in the comments.
Speaker 1: BELOW i think you guys addressed this late last, week
Speaker 1: but the movie poll results are in and we know
Speaker 1: we are Doing pirates of The. Caribbean congrats TO U
Speaker 1: tasks on your movie franchise coming. THROUGH i was always
Speaker 1: confident was going to be Either Indiana jones Or, pirates
Speaker 1: And india was leading early and then The pirates' heads
Speaker 1: came out and voted him backed that. One so can
Speaker 1: you remind me how many movies are in that? Franchise
Speaker 1: just The, fivero happy to, Hear happy to. Hear so
Speaker 1: we got to start recording, these watching these and then
Speaker 1: reviewing these and talking about. THESE i think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a fun, pick THOUGH i. WAS i was
Speaker 1: happy with the people come through forty percent of. Them oh,
Speaker 1: yeah we're gonn have some fun with this. One i've
Speaker 1: barely seen any of. Them you guys, say some of
Speaker 1: them are good and then a lot of them are.
Speaker 4: Crap the first three first a Good jesus.
Speaker 2: Diference they all tie.
Speaker 1: In, okay, Okay so we will be doing that as
Speaker 1: our next summer movie. Franchise that's coming here in Early
Speaker 1: august at some.
Speaker 2: Point.
Speaker 1: Otherwise we're back On friday with The drop, podcast so
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Speaker 4: Awesome thanks for joining, us and Remember Luka doncic's nickname
Speaker 4: should be Zip lock because he preserves his.
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